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imbrandonTonio_, !!! , how was the flight12:22
Tonio_imbrandon: long....... :)12:22
Tonio_I have hard time due to the timezone difference12:23
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imbrandonahh12:23
Tonio_I woke up at 5 pm today......12:23
imbrandonheh, thats normal for me :)12:23
Tonio_I have to force me to bed early and woke up early today12:23
imbrandonits only 530 pm here now 12:23
imbrandonhehe12:23
Tonio_hehe12:23
Tonio_I'm having hard time trying to find where to buy the thinkpad I want......12:26
Tonio_why on earth isn't that possible to buy on ibm website directly ?12:26
imbrandoni think you have to get it on the leveeno site12:28
imbrandonthey make the laptops for ibm now12:28
imbrandonlike the new one seele had in MTV12:28
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Tonio_imbrandon: they are not available on lenovo website too, that's my issue :)12:35
imbrandonhrm12:36
imbrandonTonio_, http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10000001&catalogId=-840&langId=-1&categoryId=203572412:37
Tonio_imbrandon: french website doesn't have that chance :)12:40
imbrandonahh12:40
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jdongimbrandon: hey, welcome back!12:49
jdong:)12:49
imbrandonheya jdong12:50
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jdongimbrandon: any blessings on ktorrent patches yet?01:03
imbrandonjdong, i'll get to them today01:03
crimsunhey, can I pester core-dev, too? ;-)01:03
imbrandoni'm just now getting back in my normal reoutine01:04
jdongimbrandon: sorry, sorry, sorry :)01:04
jdongcrimsun: sure, it's fun, you should try it ;-)01:04
imbrandoncrimsun, lol01:04
crimsunzsh: Segmentation fault01:04
crimsunlooks like no pestering for me tonight01:04
imbrandonheh'01:05
jdongcrimsun: try "bash" ;-)01:05
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DaSkreechHow was google campus?02:12
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RiddellDaSkreech: smooth02:30
DaSkreechWhat are our objectives for Feisty ?02:30
DaSkreechSomething other than artwork :(02:30
Riddellport ubiquity to qt 402:31
Riddelldist upgrader!02:31
Riddellport language selector to qt 402:31
Riddellbunch of adept changes02:31
RiddellKDE 4 packages!02:31
DaSkreechWoah :)02:32
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DaSkreechLots of groundwork for the big hop?02:33
Riddelleveryone hug Bosonator!02:33
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RiddellDaSkreech: yes, we want it so that when kde 4 is released we can just flip the switch and it's in02:33
DaSkreechWhat's Dist upgrader?02:33
RiddellDaSkreech: to upgrade between releases02:33
DaSkreechWe don't have that now?02:34
RiddellBosonator: our docs team are jjesse, nixternal and robotgeek 02:34
DaSkreechI'm pretty certain I used Adept to do that at some point02:34
RiddellDaSkreech: no graphical tool02:34
DaSkreechOr you mean with pretty dialogs?02:34
BosonatorAre those teams, or team leaders?02:34
RiddellDaSkreech: adept worked for breezy->dapper but hardly at all for going to edgy02:34
RiddellBosonator: that's the team (at least the kubuntu side)02:35
DaSkreechHelo Bosonator02:35
RiddellBosonator: they will be able to tell you where you can help most for docs02:35
BosonatorHi DaSkreech!02:35
DaSkreechYou are here to help! Welcome!02:35
BosonatorRiddell: Alright02:35
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RiddellBosonator: or if you want to try your hand at packaging, you should find a programme that needs it and package folloowing the guide.  hobbsee and others might be good to ask there02:36
DaSkreechmornfall is off adept right?02:36
RiddellDaSkreech: he's not doing it at the moment02:36
BosonatorRidell: And I can learn how to package from the wiki, correct?02:36
DaSkreechRight. 02:36
DaSkreechand forums. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5100302:36
RiddellBosonator: there's an ubuntu packaging guide somewhere on help.ubuntu.com02:37
BosonatorOk, I think I glaced at it earlier. I'll take a closer look.02:37
imbrandon!package guide02:39
ubotuThe packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources02:39
Bosonatorthanks ubotu02:40
Jucatomoin Riddell, imbrandon, DaSkreech02:40
DaSkreechJucato: Hello02:40
imbrandonello Jucato02:40
DaSkreechIs nixternal comatose?02:40
DaSkreechI haven't heard anything for like 4 days from him02:41
imbrandonhe was arround yesterday02:41
Jucatowould any of you happen to know what file contains changes I make to KControl when I use KControlEdit?02:41
crimsunhe's around today.02:41
DaSkreechOk Cool as long as he's alright02:41
crimsunhe made dinner for his S.O. (some type of roast), so don't expect him to be lively for a bit.02:41
robotgeekBosonator: you were asking for docs?02:44
BosonatorYes, I just joined, and documentation interests me.02:44
robotgeekBosonator: great!02:45
Bosonatorrobotgeek: How should I get myself oriented to what you guys do?02:45
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RiddellBosonator: you are joshmbray?02:47
Bosonatoryep02:47
robotgeekBosonator: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted02:47
DaSkreechktorrent has no docs :)02:48
Bosonatorrobotgeek: perfect. thanks.02:48
Jucatooh, I thought he was asking about packaging, not documentation.hehehe02:48
DaSkreechis there any plans for krita 1.6 to get into edgy?02:48
JucatoDaSkreech: special KOffice 1.6 repos02:48
BosonatorJucato: I'm new, so I was inquiring about both.02:48
Jucatofrom Kubuntu.org02:48
RiddellDaSkreech: we released edgy teo weeks ago02:48
robotgeekJucato: don't you steal doc members :)02:49
Jucatolol :P02:49
Bosonator:)02:49
robotgeekBosonator: we are currently in discussion on the documentation for feisty fawn02:50
robotgeekBosonator: also join #ubuntu-doc 02:50
BosonatorOk.02:50
BosonatorDone.02:50
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Jucatodoes simply editing /etc/xdg/system-settings.menu affect System Settings?02:56
Jucatonvm, found out :)02:57
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Jucatois there an option in LP to automatically subscribe to bugs that you commented on or changed the status of?05:20
Hobbseewell, you can hit "email me of responses" each time05:22
Hobbseei dont knwo if there's a global optoin for it05:22
jjessehello Hobbsee05:22
Hobbseehey jjesse!05:22
jjesseHobbsee: i'm closer to you then i've ever been05:22
jjessei'm in Los Angeles all week :)05:22
Hobbseejjesse: oh?  where are you?05:22
Hobbseenice!05:23
Jucatoah, because I remember commenting on more than 5 bugs in LP, yet, only 5 are listed...05:23
HobbseeJucato: it hides fix released ones05:23
Hobbseeand rejected ones05:23
jjesseHobbsee: i'm in training all week, so all of LA i'm seeing is my hotel and the airport :(05:23
Hobbsee:(05:23
Jucatoyeah, 3 non fix released, 2 fix released... = 5...05:23
Hobbseeweird05:23
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Jucato!ops07:10
ubotuHelp! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind or trappist07:10
Riddell?07:11
Jucatosorry... was supposed to be in #kubuntu :P07:11
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RiddellHobbsee: that's a bit unfair07:12
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Jucatohm.. I just realized I don't have auto rejoin...07:12
Hobbseeoh way cool, more bans to give out;07:12
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Jucatoheheh07:12
Jucatosorry for the !ops in here... :)07:12
HobbseeJucato: it's fine :)07:13
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HobbseeJucato: i've not found it07:14
HobbseeJucato: what's the command to search for a subset of an IP?  i've forgottne it07:14
Jucatoah... oh well. :)07:14
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Jucatoin IRC? I don't know... :(*07:15
Hobbseehmmm07:15
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Riddellsebas: did you catch what the secure distro was? http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/2006-11-11-uds/100_0750.JPG07:43
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Lathiathttp://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/2006-11-11-uds/100_0752.JPG <- some fine hacking work there07:58
imbrandonyea jono , community lead recruting some community cheerleaders :)07:59
Hobbseehehe07:59
Hobbseebet they'd be interesting, if pictures of them were put on the desktop or something07:59
imbrandonlol08:00
Riddellwe should make that photo the feisty wallpaper08:00
Hobbseehaha08:00
imbrandonhahaha08:00
Jucatolol08:00
Hobbseethought there might be some approval there08:00
Hobbseeand all the girls will just laugh at jono08:00
Hobbseesounds good to me :)08:00
imbrandoni'm just wondering if suzan has seen it yet :)08:00
imbrandonor how he will explain08:01
imbrandon:)08:01
Hobbseewho's suzan?08:01
imbrandonhis wife08:01
Hobbseeoh right, yes08:02
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Hobbseewas there anyone working on the new basket for feisty?09:47
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faboHobbsee: interested to sponsor strigi 0.3.9 ?10:08
Jucatoheheh looks like Riddell really posted that pic... :P10:09
Hobbseefabo: sure :)10:09
Hobbseehmmm.  basket ftbfs at the moment10:10
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ttoineTonio_: ?10:32
JucatoHobbsee: I've edited system-settings.menu (and put it in ~/.config/menus) to put back some of the stuff that should have been (or should be) in System Settings. is that a proper way to do it? (or must some source file be tampered with?)10:44
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Jucatooh.... bye then :)10:44
Hobbseei'll figure it out over dinner, hopefully10:44
Hobbseeactually, i've got no idea10:44
Hobbseeyou'd have to check another source package10:45
Jucatoit's ok. I'll ask el when she comes back10:45
Jucatoaw... seele's gone... :(10:45
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Tonio_yo ttoine11:52
ttoinesalut, Ton11:59
ttoineTonio_: 11:59
ttoinebien rentr ?11:59
Tonio_waip ca va12:07
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Tonio_grmpf..... ibm sucks really12:29
Tonio_the same laptop, 1800$ in the us, 3200 in france........12:29
Tonio_twice the price........12:30
Hobbseeouch12:31
Tonio_I need to find someone in the US that can receive it and ship it to france :)12:32
Tonio_I'll probably buy in the US then12:32
Tonio_someone living in the us here ?12:32
HobbseeTonio_: imbrandon is12:32
HobbseeTonio_: werent you just in the US?12:33
Tonio_Hobbsee: yes12:33
Tonio_ah yes I didn't thought about imbrandon12:33
Tonio_good point :)12:33
Tonio_I'll ask him12:33
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Tonio_they really consider french as stupid12:34
hungerTonio_: How so? Are they advertizing "stupid french keylayout"? Or are they more subtile.12:36
_Sime_Jucato: you might have to run kbuildsyscoa.12:38
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ttoineTonio_: yeah...01:41
ttoinei chat of that with my father at lunch01:41
ttoinehe said to me that it is the policy of the french distributor01:42
ttoinethey earn the same with less job01:42
Tonio_that sucks01:57
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Tonio_imbrandon: ping ?03:07
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seelehappy world usability day everyone!03:11
Jucatohi seele! happy usability day to you, too. :)03:12
Jucatodoes that mean you get loads of chocolates today? :)03:12
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seelehaha, i wish03:16
seelei think my boss it taking me out to dinner before we go to the DC event, so its not too bad03:16
Jucatooooh :)03:17
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nixternalmoins everyone03:20
Jucatomoin nixternal!03:20
JucatoDaSkreech was asking if you were still alive :)03:20
nixternali miss Wisconsin and S by GTown, and the lil coffee shop and the smoothie shop, I miss working for FNMA, and most of all, I miss my daughter who lives out there :)03:21
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bddebianHeya03:45
Jucatohi bddebian!03:46
bddebianHeya Jucato03:46
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Tonio_imbrandon: ping when you wake up ;)04:41
LureTonio_: hi - still with jet lag?04:42
Tonio_jet lag ? ;)04:42
Tonio_Lure: what do you mean ?04:42
LureTonio_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_lag04:43
Tonio_Lure: readong04:43
Tonio_ing04:43
Tonio_rah !04:43
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LureTonio_: this is what I am talking about ;-)04:44
Tonio_okay so yes, still a bit :)04:44
LureTonio_: being tired for no reason04:44
Tonio_much harder than in the other way I must say04:44
LureTonio_: did you manage to return laptop and get new one?04:44
Tonio_Lure: I get it remboursed yes04:46
Tonio_but I'm trying to buy a thinkpad........; the price in france is completly stupid04:46
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Tonio_price in the US -> 1700$04:46
Tonio_the same machine in france, with 1GB of ram instead of 2, with 5400 rpm HDD instead or 7200, and 4 cell battery instead of 704:47
Tonio_price in france -> 330004:47
Tonio_get lower quality and pay twice the price........04:47
Lurewow, but it has french keyboard, you know ;-)04:47
Tonio_Lure: bah I'll probably buy in the US, get in shiped in france, pay the taxes and change the keyboard04:48
Tonio_it'll still be far cheaper04:48
Tonio_2300$ for everything, including taxes and shipping so about 160004:49
LureTonio_: maybe lenove site can ship to EU...04:49
Tonio_Lure: of course not :)04:51
Tonio_hehe04:51
Tonio_Lure: I'll try to get that done with brandon eventually04:51
Tonio_or I'll buy a dell.....04:51
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DaSkreechWhat's that thing that edgy does to hide the file system?04:55
Tm_TDaSkreech: .hidden thing.04:59
DaSkreech.hidden thing Right Ok :)04:59
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DaSkreechWho has ubotu rights?06:59
jdongubotu: who's your daddy?07:04
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about who's your daddy? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:04
jdongheh that's what my mom said07:04
jdong;-)07:04
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DaSkreechUbotu is out of date07:04
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about is out of date - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:04
DaSkreechLying bot. You are out of date you just don't want your on/off switch flipped to off07:05
jdongDaSkreech: in all seriousness, Seveas ....07:05
DaSkreechYeah I know he hosts them I just want someone to update a factoid07:05
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jdongDaSkreech: can't anyone teach ubotu new tricks?07:07
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DaSkreechHi Mez07:10
DaSkreechWell !eol needs to be updated07:10
Mez!eol > Mez07:19
Mezy?07:19
DaSkreechRead it07:21
DaSkreechWill be?07:21
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SeveasDaSkreech, just try to update it yourself -- any edit attempt will be relayed to #ubuntu-ops so others can see it 07:41
DaSkreechok07:41
DaSkreechUmm07:41
DaSkreech!factoid07:42
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots07:42
DaSkreechThough I recall the last time I did that with compression someone kept changing it back07:42
DaSkreech!compression07:42
ubotuFiles with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (gnome) or ark (kde) - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression07:42
DaSkreechOk It's fixed now :)07:42
DaSkreech!no, eol is eol is End-of-life, the point where security updates stop. Hoary went EOL in october 2006, Breezy in april 2007 and Dapper in june 201107:43
MezDaSkreech, you dont have access07:44
DaSkreechubotu works like Postfix :)07:44
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about works like Postfix :) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:44
SeveasMez, he knows ;)07:44
SeveasI always encourage people to still try to edit: that way we all know what needs to be changed07:45
Mez<ubotu> I'll remember that, Mez07:45
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Riddelltesters needed08:58
Riddellhttp://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/wlassistant_0.5.5-0ubuntu3.1_i386.deb08:59
Riddellplease try to connect with edgy wlassistant and that one08:59
Tm_TRiddell: I'll ping that around if you don't mind.09:03
Riddellplease09:04
Tm_TRiddell: Any bugreport related to that?09:06
Tonio_Riddell: didn't that work with edgy ?09:07
Tonio_it worked correctly with dapper and I didn't touch the package....09:07
Tonio_Riddell: sorry wpa here I can't test09:07
Riddellit doesn't work for me09:08
Riddellaccording to the bug report 64841 it's because dhclient now outputs something on stderr09:09
RiddellTonio_: this patch searches for "There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.pid with pid 23486"09:10
Riddellbut I'm worried that string might be translated09:10
RiddellTonio_: can you run dhclient eth1 on your french box?09:10
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Tonio_Riddell: sure09:14
Tonio_Riddell: without sudo ?09:14
Riddellit needcs sudo09:14
Tonio_I know :) this is why I asked09:14
Tonio_Riddell: okay it worked and then ?09:15
Riddelldoes it output that error message09:15
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Tonio_Riddell: no error message here09:17
Riddellok, run it again09:17
Tonio_Riddell: just run 3 times and no issue09:17
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Riddellright, source says it's not translated09:23
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Tonio_Riddell: ah okay09:32
Tm_THmm, what was that package building wiki entry?09:34
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Riddelldoc.ubuntu.com?09:35
Tm_TRiddell: Ooh, thank you sir! :)09:36
Tm_TRiddell: Ok, wep seems to work, haven't got any report about wpa yet.09:40
Riddellit doeswn't support wpa09:40
Tm_TRoger.09:42
Tm_TThat explains why noone tried it yet. =)09:42
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Tm_TRiddell: With tested version: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31742/09:49
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Riddellthat looks like a separate problem09:57
DaSkreechbtw does nayone else have Konqueror crashes on right clikc?10:14
DaSkreechClick?10:14
Tm_TRiddell: I thought so.10:16
RiddellDaSkreech: not I10:19
DaSkreechHmm Ok10:19
DaSkreechCan KDE not automount an inserted USB stick?10:19
DaSkreech that's Hal's job right?10:19
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RiddellKDE tells HAl to dit yes10:20
Riddellto do 10:20
DaSkreechIs there a button to get KDE to not do that?10:21
RiddellCancel10:23
DaSkreech:-) Something slightly before that button :)10:23
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kmon_hi10:27
RiddellDaSkreech: unload the kded module10:28
Riddellhmm, ethereal seems to have disappeared from its package10:28
DaSkreechok10:28
kmon_errr... I know this is not really the place to ask, but I've read in sebas blog about uds-mtv that ati/amd is thinking on HOW to release specs for their graphics cards. Is that a rumour or is it real?10:34
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