[12:22] <imbrandon> Tonio_, !!! , how was the flight
[12:22] <Tonio_> imbrandon: long....... :)
[12:23] <Tonio_> I have hard time due to the timezone difference
[12:23] <imbrandon> ahh
[12:23] <Tonio_> I woke up at 5 pm today......
[12:23] <imbrandon> heh, thats normal for me :)
[12:23] <Tonio_> I have to force me to bed early and woke up early today
[12:23] <imbrandon> its only 530 pm here now 
[12:23] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:23] <Tonio_> hehe
[12:26] <Tonio_> I'm having hard time trying to find where to buy the thinkpad I want......
[12:26] <Tonio_> why on earth isn't that possible to buy on ibm website directly ?
[12:28] <imbrandon> i think you have to get it on the leveeno site
[12:28] <imbrandon> they make the laptops for ibm now
[12:28] <imbrandon> like the new one seele had in MTV
[12:35] <Tonio_> imbrandon: they are not available on lenovo website too, that's my issue :)
[12:36] <imbrandon> hrm
[12:37] <imbrandon> Tonio_, http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10000001&catalogId=-840&langId=-1&categoryId=2035724
[12:40] <Tonio_> imbrandon: french website doesn't have that chance :)
[12:40] <imbrandon> ahh
[12:49] <jdong> imbrandon: hey, welcome back!
[12:49] <jdong> :)
[12:50] <imbrandon> heya jdong
[01:03] <jdong> imbrandon: any blessings on ktorrent patches yet?
[01:03] <imbrandon> jdong, i'll get to them today
[01:03] <crimsun> hey, can I pester core-dev, too? ;-)
[01:04] <imbrandon> i'm just now getting back in my normal reoutine
[01:04] <jdong> imbrandon: sorry, sorry, sorry :)
[01:04] <jdong> crimsun: sure, it's fun, you should try it ;-)
[01:04] <imbrandon> crimsun, lol
[01:04] <crimsun> zsh: Segmentation fault
[01:04] <crimsun> looks like no pestering for me tonight
[01:05] <imbrandon> heh'
[01:05] <jdong> crimsun: try "bash" ;-)
[02:12] <DaSkreech> How was google campus?
[02:30] <Riddell> DaSkreech: smooth
[02:30] <DaSkreech> What are our objectives for Feisty ?
[02:30] <DaSkreech> Something other than artwork :(
[02:31] <Riddell> port ubiquity to qt 4
[02:31] <Riddell> dist upgrader!
[02:31] <Riddell> port language selector to qt 4
[02:31] <Riddell> bunch of adept changes
[02:31] <Riddell> KDE 4 packages!
[02:32] <DaSkreech> Woah :)
[02:33] <DaSkreech> Lots of groundwork for the big hop?
[02:33] <Riddell> everyone hug Bosonator!
[02:33] <Riddell> DaSkreech: yes, we want it so that when kde 4 is released we can just flip the switch and it's in
[02:33] <DaSkreech> What's Dist upgrader?
[02:33] <Riddell> DaSkreech: to upgrade between releases
[02:34] <DaSkreech> We don't have that now?
[02:34] <Riddell> Bosonator: our docs team are jjesse, nixternal and robotgeek 
[02:34] <DaSkreech> I'm pretty certain I used Adept to do that at some point
[02:34] <Riddell> DaSkreech: no graphical tool
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Or you mean with pretty dialogs?
[02:34] <Bosonator> Are those teams, or team leaders?
[02:34] <Riddell> DaSkreech: adept worked for breezy->dapper but hardly at all for going to edgy
[02:35] <Riddell> Bosonator: that's the team (at least the kubuntu side)
[02:35] <DaSkreech> Helo Bosonator
[02:35] <Riddell> Bosonator: they will be able to tell you where you can help most for docs
[02:35] <Bosonator> Hi DaSkreech!
[02:35] <DaSkreech> You are here to help! Welcome!
[02:35] <Bosonator> Riddell: Alright
[02:36] <Riddell> Bosonator: or if you want to try your hand at packaging, you should find a programme that needs it and package folloowing the guide.  hobbsee and others might be good to ask there
[02:36] <DaSkreech> mornfall is off adept right?
[02:36] <Riddell> DaSkreech: he's not doing it at the moment
[02:36] <Bosonator> Ridell: And I can learn how to package from the wiki, correct?
[02:36] <DaSkreech> Right. 
[02:36] <DaSkreech> and forums. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003
[02:37] <Riddell> Bosonator: there's an ubuntu packaging guide somewhere on help.ubuntu.com
[02:37] <Bosonator> Ok, I think I glaced at it earlier. I'll take a closer look.
[02:39] <imbrandon> !package guide
[02:39] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[02:40] <Bosonator> thanks ubotu
[02:40] <Jucato> moin Riddell, imbrandon, DaSkreech
[02:40] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Hello
[02:40] <imbrandon> ello Jucato
[02:40] <DaSkreech> Is nixternal comatose?
[02:41] <DaSkreech> I haven't heard anything for like 4 days from him
[02:41] <imbrandon> he was arround yesterday
[02:41] <Jucato> would any of you happen to know what file contains changes I make to KControl when I use KControlEdit?
[02:41] <crimsun> he's around today.
[02:41] <DaSkreech> Ok Cool as long as he's alright
[02:41] <crimsun> he made dinner for his S.O. (some type of roast), so don't expect him to be lively for a bit.
[02:44] <robotgeek> Bosonator: you were asking for docs?
[02:44] <Bosonator> Yes, I just joined, and documentation interests me.
[02:45] <robotgeek> Bosonator: great!
[02:45] <Bosonator> robotgeek: How should I get myself oriented to what you guys do?
[02:47] <Riddell> Bosonator: you are joshmbray?
[02:47] <Bosonator> yep
[02:47] <robotgeek> Bosonator: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted
[02:48] <DaSkreech> ktorrent has no docs :)
[02:48] <Bosonator> robotgeek: perfect. thanks.
[02:48] <Jucato> oh, I thought he was asking about packaging, not documentation.hehehe
[02:48] <DaSkreech> is there any plans for krita 1.6 to get into edgy?
[02:48] <Jucato> DaSkreech: special KOffice 1.6 repos
[02:48] <Bosonator> Jucato: I'm new, so I was inquiring about both.
[02:48] <Jucato> from Kubuntu.org
[02:48] <Riddell> DaSkreech: we released edgy teo weeks ago
[02:49] <robotgeek> Jucato: don't you steal doc members :)
[02:49] <Jucato> lol :P
[02:49] <Bosonator> :)
[02:50] <robotgeek> Bosonator: we are currently in discussion on the documentation for feisty fawn
[02:50] <robotgeek> Bosonator: also join #ubuntu-doc 
[02:50] <Bosonator> Ok.
[02:50] <Bosonator> Done.
[02:56] <Jucato> does simply editing /etc/xdg/system-settings.menu affect System Settings?
[02:57] <Jucato> nvm, found out :)
[05:20] <Jucato> is there an option in LP to automatically subscribe to bugs that you commented on or changed the status of?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> well, you can hit "email me of responses" each time
[05:22] <Hobbsee> i dont knwo if there's a global optoin for it
[05:22] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee
[05:22] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse!
[05:22] <jjesse> Hobbsee: i'm closer to you then i've ever been
[05:22] <jjesse> i'm in Los Angeles all week :)
[05:22] <Hobbsee> jjesse: oh?  where are you?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> nice!
[05:23] <Jucato> ah, because I remember commenting on more than 5 bugs in LP, yet, only 5 are listed...
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it hides fix released ones
[05:23] <Hobbsee> and rejected ones
[05:23] <jjesse> Hobbsee: i'm in training all week, so all of LA i'm seeing is my hotel and the airport :(
[05:23] <Hobbsee> :(
[05:23] <Jucato> yeah, 3 non fix released, 2 fix released... = 5...
[05:23] <Hobbsee> weird
[07:10] <Jucato> !ops
[07:10] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind or trappist
[07:11] <Riddell> ?
[07:11] <Jucato> sorry... was supposed to be in #kubuntu :P
[07:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that's a bit unfair
[07:12] <Jucato> hm.. I just realized I don't have auto rejoin...
[07:12] <Hobbsee> oh way cool, more bans to give out;
[07:12] <Jucato> heheh
[07:12] <Jucato> sorry for the !ops in here... :)
[07:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it's fine :)
[07:14] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i've not found it
[07:14] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what's the command to search for a subset of an IP?  i've forgottne it
[07:14] <Jucato> ah... oh well. :)
[07:15] <Jucato> in IRC? I don't know... :(*
[07:15] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[07:43] <Riddell> sebas: did you catch what the secure distro was? http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/2006-11-11-uds/100_0750.JPG
[07:58] <Lathiat> http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/2006-11-11-uds/100_0752.JPG <- some fine hacking work there
[07:59] <imbrandon> yea jono , community lead recruting some community cheerleaders :)
[07:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:59] <Hobbsee> bet they'd be interesting, if pictures of them were put on the desktop or something
[08:00] <imbrandon> lol
[08:00] <Riddell> we should make that photo the feisty wallpaper
[08:00] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:00] <imbrandon> hahaha
[08:00] <Jucato> lol
[08:00] <Hobbsee> thought there might be some approval there
[08:00] <Hobbsee> and all the girls will just laugh at jono
[08:00] <Hobbsee> sounds good to me :)
[08:00] <imbrandon> i'm just wondering if suzan has seen it yet :)
[08:01] <imbrandon> or how he will explain
[08:01] <imbrandon> :)
[08:01] <Hobbsee> who's suzan?
[08:01] <imbrandon> his wife
[08:02] <Hobbsee> oh right, yes
[09:47] <Hobbsee> was there anyone working on the new basket for feisty?
[10:08] <fabo> Hobbsee: interested to sponsor strigi 0.3.9 ?
[10:09] <Jucato> heheh looks like Riddell really posted that pic... :P
[10:09] <Hobbsee> fabo: sure :)
[10:10] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  basket ftbfs at the moment
[10:32] <ttoine> Tonio_: ?
[10:44] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I've edited system-settings.menu (and put it in ~/.config/menus) to put back some of the stuff that should have been (or should be) in System Settings. is that a proper way to do it? (or must some source file be tampered with?)
[10:44] <Jucato> oh.... bye then :)
[10:44] <Hobbsee> i'll figure it out over dinner, hopefully
[10:44] <Hobbsee> actually, i've got no idea
[10:45] <Hobbsee> you'd have to check another source package
[10:45] <Jucato> it's ok. I'll ask el when she comes back
[10:45] <Jucato> aw... seele's gone... :(
[11:52] <Tonio_> yo ttoine
[11:59] <ttoine> salut, Ton
[11:59] <ttoine> Tonio_: 
[11:59] <ttoine> bien rentr ?
[12:07] <Tonio_> waip ca va
[12:29] <Tonio_> grmpf..... ibm sucks really
[12:29] <Tonio_> the same laptop, 1800$ in the us, 3200 in france........
[12:30] <Tonio_> twice the price........
[12:31] <Hobbsee> ouch
[12:32] <Tonio_> I need to find someone in the US that can receive it and ship it to france :)
[12:32] <Tonio_> I'll probably buy in the US then
[12:32] <Tonio_> someone living in the us here ?
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: imbrandon is
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: werent you just in the US?
[12:33] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes
[12:33] <Tonio_> ah yes I didn't thought about imbrandon
[12:33] <Tonio_> good point :)
[12:33] <Tonio_> I'll ask him
[12:34] <Tonio_> they really consider french as stupid
[12:36] <hunger> Tonio_: How so? Are they advertizing "stupid french keylayout"? Or are they more subtile.
[12:38] <_Sime_> Jucato: you might have to run kbuildsyscoa.
[01:41] <ttoine> Tonio_: yeah...
[01:41] <ttoine> i chat of that with my father at lunch
[01:42] <ttoine> he said to me that it is the policy of the french distributor
[01:42] <ttoine> they earn the same with less job
[01:57] <Tonio_> that sucks
[03:07] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ping ?
[03:11] <seele> happy world usability day everyone!
[03:12] <Jucato> hi seele! happy usability day to you, too. :)
[03:12] <Jucato> does that mean you get loads of chocolates today? :)
[03:16] <seele> haha, i wish
[03:16] <seele> i think my boss it taking me out to dinner before we go to the DC event, so its not too bad
[03:17] <Jucato> oooh :)
[03:20] <nixternal> moins everyone
[03:20] <Jucato> moin nixternal!
[03:20] <Jucato> DaSkreech was asking if you were still alive :)
[03:21] <nixternal> i miss Wisconsin and S by GTown, and the lil coffee shop and the smoothie shop, I miss working for FNMA, and most of all, I miss my daughter who lives out there :)
[03:45] <bddebian> Heya
[03:46] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:46] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[04:41] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ping when you wake up ;)
[04:42] <Lure> Tonio_: hi - still with jet lag?
[04:42] <Tonio_> jet lag ? ;)
[04:42] <Tonio_> Lure: what do you mean ?
[04:43] <Lure> Tonio_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_lag
[04:43] <Tonio_> Lure: readong
[04:43] <Tonio_> ing
[04:43] <Tonio_> rah !
[04:44] <Lure> Tonio_: this is what I am talking about ;-)
[04:44] <Tonio_> okay so yes, still a bit :)
[04:44] <Lure> Tonio_: being tired for no reason
[04:44] <Tonio_> much harder than in the other way I must say
[04:44] <Lure> Tonio_: did you manage to return laptop and get new one?
[04:46] <Tonio_> Lure: I get it remboursed yes
[04:46] <Tonio_> but I'm trying to buy a thinkpad........; the price in france is completly stupid
[04:46] <Tonio_> price in the US -> 1700$
[04:47] <Tonio_> the same machine in france, with 1GB of ram instead of 2, with 5400 rpm HDD instead or 7200, and 4 cell battery instead of 7
[04:47] <Tonio_> price in france -> 3300
[04:47] <Tonio_> get lower quality and pay twice the price........
[04:47] <Lure> wow, but it has french keyboard, you know ;-)
[04:48] <Tonio_> Lure: bah I'll probably buy in the US, get in shiped in france, pay the taxes and change the keyboard
[04:48] <Tonio_> it'll still be far cheaper
[04:49] <Tonio_> 2300$ for everything, including taxes and shipping so about 1600
[04:49] <Lure> Tonio_: maybe lenove site can ship to EU...
[04:51] <Tonio_> Lure: of course not :)
[04:51] <Tonio_> hehe
[04:51] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll try to get that done with brandon eventually
[04:51] <Tonio_> or I'll buy a dell.....
[04:55] <DaSkreech> What's that thing that edgy does to hide the file system?
[04:59] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: .hidden thing.
[04:59] <DaSkreech> .hidden thing Right Ok :)
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Who has ubotu rights?
[07:04] <jdong> ubotu: who's your daddy?
[07:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about who's your daddy? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:04] <jdong> heh that's what my mom said
[07:04] <jdong> ;-)
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Ubotu is out of date
[07:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is out of date - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:05] <DaSkreech> Lying bot. You are out of date you just don't want your on/off switch flipped to off
[07:05] <jdong> DaSkreech: in all seriousness, Seveas ....
[07:05] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know he hosts them I just want someone to update a factoid
[07:07] <jdong> DaSkreech: can't anyone teach ubotu new tricks?
[07:10] <DaSkreech> Hi Mez
[07:10] <DaSkreech> Well !eol needs to be updated
[07:19] <Mez> !eol > Mez
[07:19] <Mez> y?
[07:21] <DaSkreech> Read it
[07:21] <DaSkreech> Will be?
[07:41] <Seveas> DaSkreech, just try to update it yourself -- any edit attempt will be relayed to #ubuntu-ops so others can see it 
[07:41] <DaSkreech> ok
[07:41] <DaSkreech> Umm
[07:42] <DaSkreech> !factoid
[07:42] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Though I recall the last time I did that with compression someone kept changing it back
[07:42] <DaSkreech> !compression
[07:42] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (gnome) or ark (kde) - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Ok It's fixed now :)
[07:43] <DaSkreech> !no, eol is eol is End-of-life, the point where security updates stop. Hoary went EOL in october 2006, Breezy in april 2007 and Dapper in june 2011
[07:44] <Mez> DaSkreech, you dont have access
[07:44] <DaSkreech> ubotu works like Postfix :)
[07:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about works like Postfix :) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:44] <Seveas> Mez, he knows ;)
[07:45] <Seveas> I always encourage people to still try to edit: that way we all know what needs to be changed
 I'll remember that, Mez
[08:58] <Riddell> testers needed
[08:59] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/wlassistant_0.5.5-0ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
[08:59] <Riddell> please try to connect with edgy wlassistant and that one
[09:03] <Tm_T> Riddell: I'll ping that around if you don't mind.
[09:04] <Riddell> please
[09:06] <Tm_T> Riddell: Any bugreport related to that?
[09:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: didn't that work with edgy ?
[09:07] <Tonio_> it worked correctly with dapper and I didn't touch the package....
[09:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry wpa here I can't test
[09:08] <Riddell> it doesn't work for me
[09:09] <Riddell> according to the bug report 64841 it's because dhclient now outputs something on stderr
[09:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: this patch searches for "There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.pid with pid 23486"
[09:10] <Riddell> but I'm worried that string might be translated
[09:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: can you run dhclient eth1 on your french box?
[09:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[09:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: without sudo ?
[09:14] <Riddell> it needcs sudo
[09:14] <Tonio_> I know :) this is why I asked
[09:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay it worked and then ?
[09:15] <Riddell> does it output that error message
[09:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: no error message here
[09:17] <Riddell> ok, run it again
[09:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: just run 3 times and no issue
[09:23] <Riddell> right, source says it's not translated
[09:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay
[09:34] <Tm_T> Hmm, what was that package building wiki entry?
[09:35] <Riddell> doc.ubuntu.com?
[09:36] <Tm_T> Riddell: Ooh, thank you sir! :)
[09:40] <Tm_T> Riddell: Ok, wep seems to work, haven't got any report about wpa yet.
[09:40] <Riddell> it doeswn't support wpa
[09:42] <Tm_T> Roger.
[09:42] <Tm_T> That explains why noone tried it yet. =)
[09:49] <Tm_T> Riddell: With tested version: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31742/
[09:57] <Riddell> that looks like a separate problem
[10:14] <DaSkreech> btw does nayone else have Konqueror crashes on right clikc?
[10:14] <DaSkreech> Click?
[10:16] <Tm_T> Riddell: I thought so.
[10:19] <Riddell> DaSkreech: not I
[10:19] <DaSkreech> Hmm Ok
[10:19] <DaSkreech> Can KDE not automount an inserted USB stick?
[10:19] <DaSkreech>  that's Hal's job right?
[10:20] <Riddell> KDE tells HAl to dit yes
[10:20] <Riddell> to do 
[10:21] <DaSkreech> Is there a button to get KDE to not do that?
[10:23] <Riddell> Cancel
[10:23] <DaSkreech> :-) Something slightly before that button :)
[10:27] <kmon_> hi
[10:28] <Riddell> DaSkreech: unload the kded module
[10:28] <Riddell> hmm, ethereal seems to have disappeared from its package
[10:28] <DaSkreech> ok
[10:34] <kmon_> errr... I know this is not really the place to ask, but I've read in sebas blog about uds-mtv that ati/amd is thinking on HOW to release specs for their graphics cards. Is that a rumour or is it real?