[12:12] <bLaZeD> and its a pain in the butt to have to say yes ech time
[12:13] <eilker>  ftp://localhost is working but ftp://myip  is not working , could anyone help me ??  /vsftpd here
[12:14] <lupine_85> presumably it's bound to 127.0.0.1 but not your external IP
[12:14] <lupine_85> modify the config file as needed
[12:15] <eilker> lupine_85: could you tell me more? newbie here...
[12:16] <eilker> lupine_85: i forwarded 20 and 21. ports already
[12:16] <lupine_85> I've no idea about the config file for vsftpd, sorry
[12:16] <lupine_85> it'll be in /etc somewhere
[12:16] <lupine_85> look for the option that tells it what IP addresses to bind to, and add yourip to that
[12:18] <eilker> lupine_85: this is my conf file...http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31563/
[12:20] <lupine_85> like I said, no idea. maybe it's the "listen" line. maybe it isn't. check the application's man page, or the website, or $random_tutorial
[12:22] <eilker> ok thanx anyway:)
[12:24] <luca> steveire: I am unable to install the deb package of gaim 2 beta 5, it stays fixed at 3 (repos)
[12:25] <steveire> I'm pretty sure beta 3 is the latest in my repos. Have you got strange repos?
[12:26] <luca> no no I have not, but I have downloaded the beta 5 rpm, converted with alien...
[12:26] <luca> it does not install it, kpackage says result=
[12:26] <luca> 1
[12:27] <bubu1uk> eilker: sorry, just came to pc. what's ur problem with ftp?
[12:27] <steveire> luca: I can't help you so. Sorry.
[12:28] <luca> steveire: no problem, thanks anyway :)
[12:28] <lupine_85> luca: the install scripts inside the rpm-now-deb are probably returning an error, which is understandable given that they're written for a completely different system layout
[12:28] <lupine_85> building from source would be your best bet
[12:29] <eilker> bubu1uk: i wanna serve ftp server over internet, it only works in local
[12:29] <eilker> bubu1uk: ftp://localhost is working but ftp://myip  is not working ...
[12:29] <luca> lupine_85: I feared so
[12:29] <bubu1uk> eilker: from same machine?
[12:29] <eilker> bubu1uk: yes sir
[12:29] <lupine_85> or you could hax0r the script files if you were desperate, but alien is an ugly hack at best
[12:30] <eilker> bubu1uk: i already forwarded 20 and 21. ports...
[12:30] <luca> I will wait for the official version I guess...which i will install via console as synaptic is quite stupid with the holding :(
[12:30] <bubu1uk> it never works from same machine that way.
[12:30] <Gul3> hello! i got some trouble with to get sound out of my computer.. i got one integrated sound cad, and one sound blaster live card. i want to use SBL. i just installed kubuntu. pretty noob to linux
[12:30] <eilker> bubu1uk: and this is my conf file...http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31563/
[12:30] <bubu1uk> do u want me to try to connect to it? i got ftp, works ftp, not public ip
[12:30] <bubu1uk> eilker: already checked ur conf file
[12:31] <eilker> bubu1uk: ok i can give my ip to you , may i message it to you?
[12:31] <bubu1uk> eilker: no problem
[12:32] <bubu1uk> eilker: also, u want it as absolutely oopened for anonymous login (as u have it in conf file)
[12:33] <eilker> bubu1uk: i dont care for it, just i wanna learn this, i can close it after, not important information in this pc
[12:34] <bLaZeD> !restricted
[12:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:37] <luca> bye
[12:38] <[cf] nightrid3r> eilker: you should, anonymous ftp acces with write rights will turn your box into a nice warez dump
[12:38] <Gul3> omg, i quitted by mistake. can i please get the 2 multimedia links one more time...? sorry
[12:39] <Admiral_Chicago> !restricted
[12:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:39] <Admiral_Chicago> Gul3: that one?
[12:40] <Gul3> thanks!
[12:40] <ubuntu> hey guys
[12:41] <eilker> [cf] nightrid3r:thanx it is already working now:)
[12:42] <[cf] nightrid3r> eilker: i know, i uploaded something :)
[12:42] <ubuntu> hi guys
[12:42] <eilker> ahahah:)
[12:42] <eilker> let me see:)
[12:42] <ubuntu> im running ubuntu from a live cdand its pretty cool
[12:42] <ubuntu> my sound isnt working though
[12:43] <ubuntu> I have to restart
[12:45] <eilker> [cf] nightrid3r:check http one too:)
[12:47] <bitchslapper> hey people, can't get my Dell 1500 Wireless to work, I just installed ndiswrapper, installed the driver did a ndiswrapper -m .. but don't know what to do next, iwconfig still shows no extensions
[12:47] <ruisu> hey, hello , SU gives me an Authentification error, wats happening?
[12:47] <bitchslapper> ndiswrapper -l says that driver is installed and hardware is present.
[12:48] <[cf] nightrid3r> eilker: nice :D
[12:48] <bubu1uk> ruisu: root account is disallowed by default.
[12:48] <ruisu> yeah.... i cant run adept manager anymore... :S
[12:48] <bubu1uk> eilker: what's name of that babe on webpage?
[12:49] <bubu1uk> ruisu: sudo?
[12:49] <eilker> so beautiful right:))) i think mandy moore
[12:49] <max__> salut
[12:49] <max__> tous le ;onde
[12:50] <max__> monde
[12:50] <bubu1uk> !fr
[12:50] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:51] <ruisu> sudo?
[12:51] <ruisu> i dununo, i run from k menu...
[12:52] <ruisu> sudo -i retunrs this:
[12:52] <ruisu> >>> sudoers file:syntax error, line 0~9 <<<<
[12:52] <[cf] nightrid3r> ruisu: you can't su in a clean install, root has no password set, use sudo
[12:53] <bubu1uk> ruisu: check /etc/sudoers file then
[12:53] <ruisu> nono, i mean, suddently, i cant sudo, i think the sudoers file is wrong, in something
[12:53] <ruisu> ok
[12:54] <ruisu> wow
[12:54] <ruisu> its empy :O
[12:55] <ruisu> i think smb4k messed up that file...
[12:56] <ruisu> haha I see the sudoers file is protected...
[12:57] <bubu1uk> ruisu: sudo cat /etc/sudoers will work?
[12:57] <ruisu> bubu1uk, what can i do?
[12:57] <ruisu> oh, lets se
[12:57] <lupine_85> Real Users set a root password first
[12:57] <lupine_85> everyone else boots into recovery mode
[12:58] <ruisu> nope
[12:58] <txus> hola
[12:58] <ruisu> since its using sudo :P
[12:58] <bubu1uk> lol
[12:58] <txus> alguien que hable espaol
[12:58] <ruisu> yo
[12:58] <lupine_85> ruisu: reboot :(
[12:58] <ruisu> :(
[12:58] <ruisu> i already did
[12:58] <ruisu> because of this
[12:58] <ruisu> no avail...
[12:59] <ruisu> txus, ya viste en el canal ubuntu-es?
[12:59] <lupine_85> as in, into recovery mode
[12:59] <bubu1uk> ruisu: what error u get when tryin to acces that file with sudo?
[12:59] <lupine_85> where you will be root, and so can edit the file
[12:59] <txus> no
[12:59] <txus> perdon
[12:59] <txus> en este mismo server
[12:59] <ruisu> :P cheka ahi ;)
[12:59] <txus> ???
[12:59] <ruisu> txus,si, creo k si :)
[01:00] <txus> gracias
[01:00] <ruisu> txus, denada :)
[01:00] <ruisu> oh
[01:00] <ruisu> kubuntu-es, nose hehe
[01:01] <ruisu> bubu1uk, http://pastebin.com/823742
[01:01] <bubu1uk> lupine_85: good advice setting up root password. didn't know that. thought when root account dissabled, u cannot do it. lol
[01:01] <bubu1uk> new thing i learned.
[01:01] <lupine_85> sudo passwd is your friend
[01:01] <lupine_85> but only if sudo is working
[01:01] <bubu1uk> lol. done it allready. ;)
[01:02] <bubu1uk> ruisu: seems like u really have to go to recovery mode.
[01:02] <ruisu> mhm :S
[01:02] <ruisu> ok, ill learn how to make a sudoers file ;) goodbye
[01:03] <[cf] nightrid3r> ruisu: http://pastebin.com/823747 <--- contents of my sudoers file
[01:04] <bubu1uk> hmm, ruisu left. lol. bit late. ;)
[01:04] <[cf] nightrid3r> yeah :)
[01:04] <bubu1uk> doesnt' know what he's missing. lol
[01:04] <[cf] nightrid3r> duno if init 1 will allow him to log in
[01:06] <[cf] nightrid3r> can't test it cos the first thing i did after install was set a root pass
[01:07] <[cf] nightrid3r> the installer should realy tell the n00bs to set a root pass
[01:08] <ruisu> yeah... any body could give me a copy of /etc/sudoer, please?
[01:09] <[cf] nightrid3r> ruisu: http://pastebin.com/823747 <--- contents of my sudoers file
[01:09] <ruisu> thanks :)
[01:09] <[cf] nightrid3r> ruisu: try if init1 gives you acces to box as root
[01:10] <ruisu> ok , out to recovery mode :S
[01:10] <ruisu> init1?
[01:10] <ruisu> ths script?
[01:10] <ruisu> or what? XD
[01:10] <[cf] nightrid3r> init 1 switches to single user mode
[01:11] <[cf] nightrid3r> for maintenance stuff
[01:11] <[cf] nightrid3r> as probably a last resort :/
[01:11] <ruisu> hum, so how do i use that?
[01:12] <[cf] nightrid3r> ruisu: hmmm you don't, got to be root to do that :(
[01:12] <ruisu> i mean, how do i enter in init1 mode? :P
[01:13] <[cf] nightrid3r> ruisu: you can't, i forgot you have to be root to do it
[01:13] <[cf] nightrid3r> so recovery mode is all thats left
[01:13] <ruisu> or i could try and boot the installation cd, and mount this partition and edit the sudoers with the copy?
[01:13] <[cf] nightrid3r> ruisu: might work
[01:13] <ruisu> :)
[01:14] <ruisu> ok, umm the alternate cd doesnot have the gui live cd session?
[01:15] <[cf] nightrid3r> ruisu: then you can have fun on the cli
[01:15] <ruisu> what? the cli?
[01:16] <ruisu> umm, ok, ill burn another normal cd...
[01:16] <[cf] nightrid3r> ruisu: like command prompt in windoose
[01:17] <hades> what program do i need to watch divx
[01:17] <hades> on kubuntu
[01:17] <hades> ??
[01:17] <Omnifrog> mplayer?
[01:17] <ruisu> oh, yeah, im ok with that :)
[01:18] <ruisu> ok brb
[01:18] <[cf] nightrid3r> hades: vlc
[01:18] <thompa> hello, im having my bottom line or two cut off when I print on an HP lazerjet 1018
[01:18] <delight> !Radeondriver
[01:18] <thompa> it always worked before in ubuntu, not sure whats up
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Radeondriver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:18] <delight> !3d
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:19] <[cf] nightrid3r> !ati
[01:19] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:19] <Omnifrog> !fair use rights
[01:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fair use rights - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:19] <Omnifrog> how do you train that stupid bot?
[01:20] <thompa> actually it looks like 3 last paragraphs are off page?
[01:20] <hades> what program do i need to watch divx just vlc ?
[01:20] <Ahmuck> i purchased a new hard drive, sata but have not sata cable.  if i use my current ide cable and then later decide to do sata, will i be able so switch?
[01:21] <[cf] nightrid3r> hades: vlc will play almost all video formats see http://www.videolan.org
[01:21] <thompa> Ahmuck: are you using an IDE hard drive then?
[01:22] <Ahmuck> currently
[01:22] <[cf] nightrid3r> Ahmuck: ide cable will not fit on sata drive
[01:22] <Ahmuck> i have a sata/ide adapter
[01:22] <delight> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver says full 2D acceleration for X600 / rv380 based cards ... how come it does not work right with resolutions higher then 1024 ? wouldn't call that full 2D support
[01:22] <thompa> Ahmuck: well you will have to rinstall on that hard drive then, some sata controller support is not so good either
[01:22] <[Relic] > qtpart and gpart don't work any other options?
[01:22] <Ahmuck> er. nm, it goest the other way
[01:23] <Ahmuck> oh, plz plz, i hope the sata controller works plz plz
[01:23] <thompa> Ahmuck: is it nvidia?
[01:23] <[cf] nightrid3r> Ahmuck: a sata cable is like $2
[01:23] <Ahmuck> it's seagate, the sata controller, yes, nvidia
[01:24] <Ahmuck> i suspect, as the mobo has nvida chip on it
[01:24] <thompa> Ahmuck: nvidia is not open as far as sata controllers
[01:24] <[cf] nightrid3r> np nvidia sata is supported
[01:24] <thompa> it might be
[01:25] <[Relic] > not sure if there is anything else to use to repartion a drive  :(
[01:25] <thompa> mine boots with errors
[01:25] <[cf] nightrid3r> nvidia doesn't supply sata drivers, they are in the official kernel
[01:25] <Ahmuck> i have a sata cable at the other house, but i did not want to drive across town to get it
[01:26] <[cf] nightrid3r> i'm running kubuntu on a 320GB sata nvidia nforce4
[01:26] <thompa> yes i could tell the ones in the kernel were loaded
[01:26] <probose> well, when i delete something in my Mp3 player, it somehow still there, in a folder called /.Trash-probose. So how do i totally format the mp3 player?
[01:26] <thompa> my sata does not work without many boot errors though
[01:27] <[cf] nightrid3r> probose: with the mp3 connected try emptying the trashcan
[01:27] <thompa> im using an IDE drive right now
[01:28] <probose> night i still with just 131mb free, and there is 0 files inside the mp3 player
[01:29] <[cf] nightrid3r> probose: just to be safe i would use the mp3players format function if available
[01:30] <probose> nightrid3r i dont have it -.-"
[01:30] <[cf] nightrid3r> or remove the trash folder from the cli
[01:30] <probose> uh?
[01:31] <Homer> !xgl
[01:31] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[01:31] <ramiro_> hello
[01:32] <[cf] nightrid3r> probose: cli == terminal
[01:32] <probose> nightrid3r how do i format the mp3 from the terminal?
[01:32] <probose> or how do i remove the trash from the cli?
[01:32] <probose> i must fix my mp3 anyway :(
[01:33] <[cf] nightrid3r> probose: do you have any SCSI or SATA disks
[01:33] <probose> i think that my hd is sata
[01:33] <wildchild> is there any way to upgrade or put in some plug ins into krita, couse I am working on graphic,...
[01:34] <[cf] nightrid3r> probose: ok, open a terminal and type mount
[01:34] <probose> then?
[01:35] <[cf] nightrid3r> do you see a line that says /dev/sda......
[01:36] <probose> yes i do
[01:36] <flaccid> is firefox 2 backported to dapper yet officially?
[01:36] <[cf] nightrid3r> ok give the full line
[01:36] <probose> /dev/sda on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
[01:37] <[cf] nightrid3r> probose: type umount /dev/sda
[01:38] <probose> and now?
[01:38] <campbch> i have build-essential, but when i try to build a particular .c file it says it cant find aclocal? why is this?
[01:38] <[cf] nightrid3r> probose: mkfs.vfat /dev/sda
[01:39] <eilker> !nmap > eilker
[01:39] <probose> mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005)
[01:39] <probose> mkfs.vfat: Will not try to make filesystem on full-disk device '/dev/sda' (use -I if wanted)
[01:39] <[cf] nightrid3r> probose: mkfs.vfat /dev/sda -l
[01:40] <probose> is this going to fuck firmware and things like it?
[01:40] <campbch> !aclocal
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aclocal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:40] <pointwood> hi, I want to report a hardware bug report about the card reader in my thinkpad - what info do I need to post? I have so far added lspci and dmesg | tail output - anything else I need to add?
[01:40] <[cf] nightrid3r> probose: no it just formats
[01:41] <probose> mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005)
[01:41] <probose> mkfs.vfat: option requires an argument -- l
[01:41] <probose> Unknown option: ?
[01:41] <[cf] nightrid3r> mkfs.vfat -l /dev/sda
[01:42] <probose> isnt it -I instead -l?
[01:43] <[Relic] > Anyone know of any way to repartion a large section by splitting it in 2 w/o having to delete everything from it to do it?   I need to reinstall this yet, but can't find away to repartitoin the drive
[01:43] <[cf] nightrid3r> yes could be i'm haveing problems reading my monitor
[01:43] <inteliwasp> How can I set myself full permission for my computer's web root?
[01:43] <probose> o
[01:43] <probose> ok
[01:43] <probose> what now?
[01:43] <[cf] nightrid3r> that should be it
[01:44] <[cf] nightrid3r> unplug and replug the mp3
[01:44] <ruisu> finally :) i entered in recovery mode, and i was root, and i saw that the sudoers file had the messages when running a program with sudo from console :P
[01:44] <ruisu> kinda like BadMayocode X windows, and stuff :P and edited the  ;)
[01:44] <probose> great!
[01:44] <probose> it is working!
[01:44] <ruisu> mayor//
[01:44] <ruisu> :)
[01:44] <probose> but everytime i wish to delete files i'll have to do it?
[01:45] <[cf] nightrid3r> probose: no you could use the cli to remove them and bypass the trash stuff
[01:45] <probose> how?
[01:46] <[cf] nightrid3r> probose: rm /media/usbdisk/mp3todelete
[01:46] <[cf] nightrid3r> probose: rm /media/usbdisk/*.mp3 to delete all mp3's
[01:47] <[cf] nightrid3r> probose: btw you don't have a sata disk :)
[01:48] <bLaZeD> im trying to use conky and its sayin it cant find tcp_portmon ...is there a package that contains this....as i cant seem to spt-get it
[01:49] <[cf] nightrid3r> bLaZeD: i think its in tcpwrapper
[01:49] <bLaZeD> [cf] nightrid3r, no package named that....
[01:52] <[cf] nightrid3r> bLaZeD: try #conky they might be able to help
[01:53] <coreymon77> are there any irc bouncers on apt?
[01:56] <Search4Lancer> alright, I got an error while upgrading
[01:56] <Search4Lancer> Unpacking replacement xkeyboard-config ...
[01:56] <Search4Lancer> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:56] <Search4Lancer>  /var/cache/apt/archives/v4l-conf_3.95-4ubuntu1_i386.deb
[01:56] <Search4Lancer> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:57] <linuxbomb> edgy is stable right?
[01:57] <Dr_willis> wow  'sun gpl's java'
[01:58] <Dr_willis> http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS4348361333.html
[01:58] <aseigo> mismatched quotes.
[01:58] <Search4Lancer> ......
[01:59] <Dr_willis> one is an aposotpse :)
[02:02] <Dr_willis>  Sun Considering GPL For OpenSolaris.
[02:03] <coreymon77> guys
[02:04] <coreymon77> i have a friend
[02:04] <coreymon77> linux newbie
[02:04] <coreymon77> and his first linux is debian, just plain old normal debian (even after my countless kubuntu reccomendations)
[02:05] <coreymon77> now he doesnt really like ti (having problems) and im trying to convince him that kubuntu is a better distro, especially for a linux newbie
[02:07] <Dr_willis> considering how its basicially the same + lots of polish/tweaks to make things work.. :)  he needs to just try it and see.
[02:07] <Bosonator> la
[02:10] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: back!
[02:10] <rkaprows> wow.. well aparently xing out doesnt close konversation im still logged in from lunchtime
[02:11] <DaSkreech> rkaprows: Yeah I know try Ctrl+Q
[02:12] <rkaprows> hey is there any way anyone knows of to rebind the search shortcut in linux firefox from ctrl j to ctrl e like windows
[02:12] <coreymon77> exactly
[02:12] <coreymon77> a bunch of polishes and tweaks to make things work
[02:12] <coreymon77> thats what im trying to tell him
[02:13] <Dr_willis> ubuntu/kubuntu has been the best disrto out of a dozen or so ive tried on my laptop also.
[02:14] <rkaprows> as in the only distrobution that actualy is somewhat comprehensible to a newbie?
[02:14] <coreymon77> me too
[02:14] <coreymon77> ive tried so many you wouldnt believe
[02:14] <coreymon77> kubuntu is the one i like and works well
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> How can I take a bunch of home videos (mostly AVI) and burn them to DVD as a DVD, not svcd or emovix, etc... ?
[02:14] <rkaprows> if you want an exciting experience try installing slackware as your first ever linux experience
[02:16] <Dr_willis> LeeJunFan,  that book 'ubuntu hacks' mentioned how to do it.. but ive never done so.. there may be some guides/wiki pages  on the forums or wiki.
[02:16] <rkaprows> actualy though the edgy package is quite polished,, a real step up from my last attempt at kubuntu
[02:16] <Dr_willis> it was  not a 4 clicks and its done sort of thing. :)
[02:16] <DaSkreech> I would bet k3b though
[02:16] <Marck00> aigl in kubuntu exist?
[02:16] <Dr_willis> Last i looked k3b dident convert video.
[02:17] <Dr_willis> http://tovid.org - is what the "ubuntu hacks" books suggests
[02:18] <rkaprows> is it possible im somehow missing some peoples replies in here.. it seems like im only seing one side of the conversation
[02:18] <LeeJunFan> Dr_willis: figures. That's what I was afraid of. I've done it with transcode, but it was a pita. I was hoping that in the last few years something would have filled that gap.
[02:18] <Dr_willis> LeeJunFan,  the process seems simple enough.. :) but in the book they take 4 pages to detail it.
[02:18] <Dr_willis> heh
[02:19] <LeeJunFan> Dr_willis: I can make vob's with ffmpeg but not the other files. haha
[02:19] <Marck00> :S
[02:19] <Marck00> any speak spanish?
[02:19] <DaSkreech> !es | Marck00
[02:19] <ubotu> Marck00: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[02:19] <Dr_willis> they seem to use 'dvdauthor' for that stuff also LeeJunFan
[02:19] <cpk1> LeeJunFan: actually kmediafactory should do it for you
[02:19] <DaSkreech> rkaprows: Like which half?
[02:19] <Marck00> ooh
[02:19] <Marck00> thx
[02:20] <flake> how do i change themes using emerald?
[02:20] <flake> i run the settings and click a theme, click refresh or import, nothing happens
[02:20] <flake> all the help i can seem to find is on installation, not application
[02:20] <cpk1> LeeJunFan: i used kmediafactory and it worked like a charm, only bummer about it is that you cant choose from very many layouts
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> cpk1: thanks, I'll look at that too.
[02:21] <cpk1> LeeJunFan: i believe its already installed?
[02:21] <DaSkreech> Flake Just clikc on teh theme
[02:21] <DaSkreech> THat should be enough
[02:21] <cpk1> LeeJunFan: and my experience with qdvdauthor is that it had problems when the ratio wasnt exactly correct
[02:22] <flake> it's not updating in real time
[02:22] <flake> does beryl need to be running?
[02:22] <Pirige> I'm running into a weird problem. Its actually more of an annoyance.
[02:22] <zeeo> hey how can i mount a bin and cue file
[02:22] <Pirige> Everytime I open kopete kmail starts up
[02:22] <DaSkreech> flake: I would guess so
[02:23] <Pirige> I tried looking through both kmail and kopetes configuration, but I can't seem to figure it out.
[02:23] <bLaZeD> could anyone tell me how i get the uuid of a drive....im looking to add a entry to my fstab according to the uuid...but forget how to get it
[02:23] <rkaprows> can anyone tell me the command for specifying how much video ram i have with the nvidia drivers in xorg.conf?
[02:23] <klerfayt> how do make so that text files are opened in konqueror instead of kate?
[02:24] <Jucato> !UUID | bLaZeD
[02:24] <ubotu> bLaZeD: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid"
[02:24] <Jucato> klerfayt: try File Associations in Konqueror's Configure settings
[02:24] <Telroth_Plushie|> if i have a .tar.gz of source, can someone show me how to compile it into a .deb for my system?
[02:25] <Jucato> !compile | Telroth_Plushie|
[02:25] <ubotu> Telroth_Plushie|: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[02:25] <Pirige> blaZeD: try reading the man page for dumpe2fs
[02:25] <bLaZeD> hmm can i add entrys to the fstab on dapper?
[02:25] <DaSkreech> Telroth_Plushie|: What pacakge?
[02:25] <bLaZeD> *entrys with the uuid
[02:25] <Telroth_Plushie|> DaSkreech, the Logitech G15 drivers.
[02:25] <Pirige> bLaZeD: I don't see why not
[02:26] <bLaZeD> Pirige, well in edgy the fstab was diff
[02:26] <Jucato> bLaZeD: but why use uuid in Dapper?
[02:26] <Telroth_Plushie|> DaSkreech, They aren't in edgy yet, and I'm tired of my $70 keyboard only as functional as a $5 one. :)
[02:26] <Pirige> They switched to the UUID
[02:26] <coreymon77> what repos arent enabled?
[02:26] <bLaZeD> Jucato, i found it easier to use the uuid so i never had to change the /dev/sd*
[02:26] <Jucato> coreymon77: backports aren't enabled initially, and multiverse isn't included initially
[02:27] <tanlaan_> what is the key combo that allows you to switch from desktop to desktop?
[02:27] <Jucato> bLaZeD: that's one of the reasons UUID was used in Edgy, so yes I guess you could use that in Dapper, too
[02:27] <Jucato> tanlaan_: Ctrl-F1-F4 (if you have 4 desktops) you can check in Keyboard Shortcuts
[02:27] <klerfayt> Jucato: I would imagine that it begins with kampart?
[02:27] <tanlaan_> Jucato: thank you :D
[02:28] <bLaZeD> are either of u in edgy......the fstabd doesnt have a entry i can copy from...could one of u pastebin a example if u are on edgy
[02:28] <wildchild> are any krita tutorials for newbies?
[02:28] <Jucato> bLaZeD: I'm on Edgy. basically the line is just the same except for the /dev/sd* part which becomes UUID=
[02:29] <Pirige> You can still use the old method in edgy
[02:29] <bLaZeD> Jucato, ahh k cool
[02:29] <Pirige> the UUID is a convience
[02:29] <Pirige> or inconvience if you are not used to it
[02:29] <thompa> i cant get my printer to work anymore, its now stuck on pause
[02:29] <bLaZeD> so UUID=2983ej2938ej ...yada yada
[02:29] <Jucato> bLaZeD: just be careful. I think UUID's change if you reformat a partition
[02:29] <Jucato> yep
[02:30] <Pirige> You can generate new UUIDs as well
[02:30] <bLaZeD> Jucato, its for my ipod and pendrive...which i dont plan on formating
[02:30] <Jucato> ehehe. just remember the blkid command :)
[02:30] <bLaZeD> hehe
[02:31] <Jucato> some other commands "sudo vol_id -u /dev/xxx" gives you the UUID of a specific /dev
[02:31] <thompa> if i try to remove libcupssys2 everything else goes with it, I think the problem is with cups though
[02:31] <thompa> ive tried restarting it also, its stuck on pause
[02:32] <Omnifrog> lol, i need to post this on this jack ass RIAA President Decries Fair Use
[02:32] <Omnifrog> err
[02:32] <Omnifrog> nm, wrong roon
[02:33] <Fjos> Hi! I am running Kubuntu. Can you help me find out WHEN it was installed? I only know it's been a long time. it's becoming a bit unstable, and Kicker hangs every time I shut it down.
[02:33] <thompa> what do i need to print besiades cups?
[02:33] <wildchild> how can I update my krita to krita 1.6 with edgy
[02:34] <Telroth_Plushie|> Fjos, have you updated?
[02:34] <ruisu> hi :) does somebody knows why localhost doesnot exists? I mean, i cant conect to it by firefox
[02:34] <Pirige> ruisu: why would you connect to localhost in the first place?
[02:34] <Fjos> It is updated many times. But I am not interested in my version number, but the date it was installed from CD.
[02:35] <Telroth_Plushie|> ruisu, are you running a webserver? (like apache)
[02:35] <ruisu> um, trying to get apache?
[02:35] <ruisu> yeah :P
[02:35] <ruisu> well
[02:35] <Pirige> that makes more sense
[02:35] <ruisu> I'm trying to make my computer to run php from my docs
[02:35] <ruisu> i installed phpmyadmin
[02:35] <Telroth_Plushie|> Fjos,  if you've updated the install date from cd is rather irrelevent, as update replaces most files on the system (assuming the install wasn't too recent)
[02:36] <ruisu> i dont have any idea to do next XD
[02:36] <LeeJunFan> Dr_willis, cpk1: trying devede right now for creating the DVD from AVI's seems it'll do everything I want it to - point and click.
[02:36] <Telroth_Plushie|> ruisu, did you set up mysql?
[02:36] <ruisu> nope, not yet
[02:36] <LeeJunFan> I'll probably try the other methods after to see what I like better though.
[02:36] <Telroth_Plushie|> phplyadmin is an administrative tool for mysql servers
[02:36] <Telroth_Plushie|> i.e. database viewing/editing
[02:36] <ruisu> mhm...
[02:36] <seishinbyou> Good morning
[02:36] <Fjos> If I was going to buy a Linux-compatible laptop, what would be a good idea?
[02:37] <ruisu> yes, ive used it from some web pages i had
[02:37] <Telroth_Plushie|> it won't work without mysql is what i'm saying
[02:37] <Telroth_Plushie|> so you need to install that next
[02:37] <ruisu> oh ok :P
[02:37] <Telroth_Plushie|> and install mysql-admin while you're at it
[02:37] <Telroth_Plushie|> it's a gui client that works a lot better/faster than phpmyadmin
[02:38] <Telroth_Plushie|> and allows you to do more
[02:38] <Telroth_Plushie|> other than that
[02:38] <Telroth_Plushie|> if you've installed apache and it's running
[02:38] <Telroth_Plushie|> stick files in ~/public_html
[02:38] <Telroth_Plushie|> and then access them at http://localhost/~yourusername/
[02:39] <coreymon77> what in the?
[02:39] <ruisu> so i should install mysql-server?
[02:39] <coreymon77> why is shippitonly for dapper?
[02:39] <campbch> i have a gateway mx6650 and have had absolutely no problems with the hardware aspect
[02:39] <DaSkreech> seishinbyou: How's it going?
[02:40] <campbch> don't ask me about software
[02:40] <thompa> does anyone know how to setup a printer, im running out of ink for text pages soon
[02:40] <seishinbyou> DaSkreech: One nasty cold from my coworkers
[02:40] <DaSkreech> Ugh.
[02:40] <ruisu> haah 33mb dwnload, 90mb install XD
[02:41] <Telroth_Plushie|> ruisu, isn't compression awesome?
[02:41] <ruisu> totally :D
[02:42] <ruisu> when gui for linux is completly done, it will blow M$ for sure ;)
[02:42] <Telroth_Plushie|> huh?
[02:42] <Telroth_Plushie|> it doesn't already?
[02:42] <DaSkreech> ruisu: New to open source eh?
[02:42] <Telroth_Plushie|> have you seen the compix/berly demos?
[02:42] <Telroth_Plushie|> &beryl
[02:42] <ruisu> when gui's dont have problems, or bugs and stuff, it will blow up Microsucks for sure ;) like, installing hehehe
[02:42] <Telroth_Plushie|> *beryl
[02:43] <Telroth_Plushie|> never had a problem with mine
[02:43] <Telroth_Plushie|> now i can't speak for everyone
[02:43] <Telroth_Plushie|> but i've had less trouble with linux than windows when it comes to graphics
[02:43] <Telroth_Plushie|> and the graphics own anything vista has
[02:43] <ruisu> hehe no completly new, but its the first time i install a linux distro with a gui version and had a bug :P
[02:43] <Telroth_Plushie|> oh?
[02:43] <Telroth_Plushie|> bug with what?
[02:44] <ruisu> yes, vista is getting close to newer linux :)
[02:44] <ruisu> umm
[02:44] <DaSkreech> ruisu: Well you reffered to a Open source project and said when it's done
[02:44] <DaSkreech> X-D
[02:44] <Telroth_Plushie|> hahaha
[02:44] <Telroth_Plushie|> ruisu, no vista isn't
[02:45] <ruisu> ubiquity, when selecting reiserfs, i could format , there where other fs, but no reiserfs, and when selecting t install it claimed that there where no ? (root) filsystem, but there was
[02:45] <wildchild> is there a way to update krita from 1.5 to 1.6 or I have to install package by sudo apt-get install krita ??
[02:45] <ruisu> okok :P
[02:45] <DaSkreech> wildchild: You are on Edgy?
[02:45] <Telroth_Plushie|> vista only really has hardware accellerated gui framework, 1 (one) theme, and requires a cray super computer to run
[02:45] <ruisu> yey :) 90% downloaded :)
[02:45] <wildchild> DaSkreech: yes
[02:45] <ruisu> haha true true
[02:46] <DaSkreech> Telroth_Plushie|: It doesn't :-P
[02:46] <CraZy675> what is the kubuntu way of changing your host file?
[02:46] <flaccid> max number primary partitions is 4 on a disk right?
[02:46] <DaSkreech> what version is installed?
[02:46] <ruisu> right
[02:46] <Telroth_Plushie|> X.org + beryl runs on my $20 nv5200fx with 768mb ram and a p4 2.66ghz proc, smooth and seamless.
[02:46] <wildchild> DaSkreech: 1.5.2
[02:46] <DaSkreech> When did 1.6 come out?
[02:46] <Telroth_Plushie|> with wobbly windows, transparency, 3d cube
[02:46] <wildchild> DaSkreech: on the Novemer firs
[02:46] <wildchild> t
[02:47] <ruisu> ok, mysqladmin done ;)
[02:47] <DaSkreech> CraZy675: kdesu kate /etc/hosts
[02:47] <DaSkreech> flaccid: Yes
[02:47] <CraZy675> DaSkreech: thanks
[02:47] <DaSkreech> wildchild: check getdeb.net I guess
[02:48] <Telroth_Plushie|> DaSkreech, krita 1.6 isn't in edgy repos
[02:48] <DaSkreech> I know I just confirmed that
[02:48] <Telroth_Plushie|> anyone here running feisty?
[02:48] <wildchild> Telroth_Plushie|: how can I install it
[02:48] <Telroth_Plushie|> wildchild, download source, compile, install.
[02:48] <DaSkreech> Telroth_Plushie|: That would be #ubuntu+1
[02:48] <Telroth_Plushie|> though that is a mess if you haven't done it before
[02:49] <DaSkreech> wildchild: have you tried the koffice repos?
[02:49] <wildchild> Telroth_Plushie|: I didn.t
[02:49] <wildchild> DaSkreech: nop
[02:49] <DaSkreech> try those
[02:49] <DaSkreech> http://www.kubuntu.org
[02:50] <DaSkreech> they keep up to date with Koffice which Krita is a part of
[02:50] <thompa> i can run through the steps for installing HP lasejet, but at apply there is no printer icon comes up
[02:50] <CraZy675> now that I've edited my hosts do I have to reboot or is there an easier way?
[02:50] <DaSkreech> CraZy675:  I think you shoudl be good
[02:51] <DaSkreech> Correct Jucato?
[02:51] <Jucato> yep
[02:51] <CraZy675> I'm not good
[02:51] <ruisu> Telroth_Plushie| , im running mysql-amin
[02:51] <CraZy675> restart firefox maybe
[02:51] <Jucato> of course, if Krita is the only KOffice app installed, it should be the only one to be updated. no need to install the whole KOffice suite
[02:51] <ruisu> Telroth_Plushie| , ive configured a new conection to localhost
[02:52] <CraZy675> blah I'll reboot
[02:52] <DaSkreech> But the koffice repos should have krita 1.6 ?
[02:53] <ruisu> Telroth_Plushie| , username and password cloul be anithing? or my current xorg user?
[02:53] <Jucato> yes it does
[02:54] <thompa> hmmm, im thinking maybe problem printing is from web
[02:54] <thompa> firefox cuts off , print preview is not same
[02:55] <DaSkreech> seishinbyou: still hacking on the PS3?
[02:56] <wildchild> DaSkreetch: ould not connect to bolugftp.uni-bonn.de:21 (131.220.16.1), connection timed out this is when I update
[02:56] <seishinbyou> DaSkreech: No time last night; if I can get out at a decent time today, I'll try some more
[02:57] <wildchild> DaSkreech: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31579/
[02:59] <DaSkreech> wildchild: Umm could be down? try again in a minute
[02:59] <wildchild> k
[02:59] <wildchild> after it upgrades
[03:00] <coreymon77> how do you install while using a live cd
[03:00] <coreymon77> without deleting your home directory
[03:01] <smaggard_> if your /home is its own partition, just choose not to format /home
[03:01] <ruisu> mysql-admin is taking soo long
[03:01] <coreymon77> whats the command to install from a live cd
[03:01] <coreymon77> while running kubuntu
[03:01] <[Relic] > mine doesn't and I can't find anything to repartiotin the drive
[03:01] <smaggard_> double click the installer
[03:01] <coreymon77> o
[03:01] <hollywoodb> coreymon77: there's a installer icon on the desktop
[03:01] <coreymon77> im not using a live cd right now, i have edgy already
[03:01] <smaggard_> kubuntu has an icon
[03:01] <coreymon77> this is for my friend
[03:02] <coreymon77> thats why i asked
[03:02] <coreymon77> hes downloading the iso
[03:02] <coreymon77> and will internet work while using the live cd?
[03:02] <smaggard_> yes internet works
[03:03] <smaggard_> well most of the time, depends on your hardware
[03:03] <wildchild> hm, does anyone user here krita
[03:03] <wildchild> and if he/she knows for any tutorials
[03:03] <wildchild> o_O
[03:03] <wildchild> user=uses
[03:04] <wildchild> user=use*
[03:04] <Admiral_Chicago> coreymon77: what home directory?
[03:04] <thompa> does anyone know why adobe 7 , not print anything
[03:04] <coreymon77>  /home
[03:05] <thompa> pdf viewer prints though
[03:05] <smaggard_> i dont use krita really
[03:06] <thompa> i blame adobe for all my printing woes
[03:07] <mchonis> hi, i'm running kubuntu 6.06, and I'm having trouble opening adept, whenever I try and open it, I get a message that says "Database Locked - Adept Installer: Another process is using the packaging system database. Please close the other application before using this one." help
[03:07] <ruisu> oh
[03:07] <ruisu> iv seen this
[03:07] <ruisu> umm
[03:07] <flaccid> i just installed windows on spare space on my disk which override the grub on the mbr. how can i restore grub/mbr?
[03:08] <mchonis> I've tried rebooting and trying to open adept as soon as I log in, but I still get the error message.
[03:09] <mchonis> how do I find out what process is using the packaging system database, and how do I stop it.
[03:09] <ruisu> mchonis, sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:09] <Telroth_Plushie|> mchonis,
[03:09] <bimberi> flaccid: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:09] <Telroth_Plushie|> sudo rm /var/lock/dpkg i think
[03:09] <ruisu> too
[03:09] <ruisu> but, i bet it ocked becuase it exited when installing packagess>
[03:09] <ruisu> ??
[03:09] <ruisu> locked*
[03:10] <thompa> firefox is messed up, at least for printing anything
[03:10] <mchonis> ran ___ this is what it said "
[03:10] <mchonis> Setting up libltdl3 (1.5.22-2) ...
[03:10] <mchonis> Setting up odbcinst1debian1 (2.2.11-11build1) ...
[03:10] <mchonis> Setting up unixodbc (2.2.11-11build1) ...
[03:10] <ruisu> Telroth_Plushie|, ok, ive installed mysql-admin
[03:10] <mchonis> i did what ruisu said
[03:10] <flaccid> thanks bimberi
[03:11] <mchonis> what does that mean?
[03:11] <ruisu> Telroth_Plushie|, now, ive conected to localhost , what do I do next?
[03:11] <Telroth_Plushie|> set a password for the root user
[03:11] <Telroth_Plushie|> then follow the phpmyadmin instructions.
[03:12] <mchonis> I can get into adept now.. thanks 4 the help
[03:12] <ruisu> mchonis, it happened to me once, i was installing and when configuring i had to select something in a text mode(showing the details) and i could not select "acept" so i quited ademt, and i could not start again, because of that lock
[03:13] <mchonis> so if I'm installing something I should not quit adept untill it's done
[03:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> bingo
[03:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> mchonis,
[03:13] <ruisu> ah XD, when selecting usrs , the program locks itself
[03:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> what ruisu's command was telling the system to finish installing packages where it left off
[03:13] <ruisu> mhm
[03:13] <DaSkreech> mchonis: Right
[03:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> ruisu, yes.
[03:13] <mchonis> gotcha.. i'll try harder not too... last time I used adept the battery on my laptop crapped out
[03:14] <Telroth_Plushie|> ruisu, go to the mysql website and download the binary from there
[03:14] <Telroth_Plushie|> ruisu, that one doesn't lock up
[03:14] <DaSkreech> mchonis: It's ok just remember that command
[03:14] <DaSkreech> mchonis: Might want to write it down :)
[03:14] <ruisu> ok
[03:14] <campbch> has anyone here been able to compile 3d.c for the 3dworld plugin in beryl/compiz?
[03:15] <seishinbyou> my job is so weird sometimes
[03:15] <campbch> ive got all the devs, but it keeps saying crazy errors
[03:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> campbch, 3dworld?
[03:15] <campbch> yes
[03:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> linky?
[03:15] <campbch> one sec...
[03:15] <DaSkreech> seishinbyou: Why/
[03:15] <ruisu> Telroth_Plushie|, mysql cluster?
[03:16] <seishinbyou> DaSkreech: We have a local box here, but since our developers are always on the move, a portable development environment is a godsend
[03:16] <charlie5> hi folks ... is ther a way to prevent backup files (xyz.txt~) from being displayed on the Desktop ?
[03:17] <campbch> http://rafb.net/paste/results/EXMg2U88.html
[03:17] <campbch> hide them?
[03:18] <campbch> rename to .xyz.txt~ work? i havent tried
[03:18] <klerfayt> charlie5: I believe not
[03:19] <Telroth_Plushie|> charlie5, tell yoru editor to not create them?
[03:19] <Telroth_Plushie|> better yet
[03:19] <Telroth_Plushie|> for kate/kwrite/kedit
[03:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> options -> open/save -> backup -> prefix -> set to "."
[03:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> then the files are made, but they won't show
[03:20] <seishinbyou> If you are weird, you could write a script that searches for the ...~ files on your desktop and deletes them...and execute the things regularly with a cron script
[03:20] <T3hWiz0rd> !beryl
[03:20] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[03:20] <T3hWiz0rd> !xgl
[03:20] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[03:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> you can also tell them to not create backup files at all
[03:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> so choose your solution :)
[03:21] <seishinbyou> Yeah, but anything worth doing is worth overdoing
[03:21] <Telroth_Plushie|> i know.
[03:21] <campbch> telroth, any idea why 3d.c isn't compiling?
[03:21] <seishinbyou> but I'm weird that way...it's all "Enterprisey"...and I love ticking off management by referring to any bloated solution as "Enterprisey"
[03:21] <Telroth_Plushie|> i could just have it delete all files every 5 minutes, but i'm overdoing it and having it delete them instantly!
[03:22] <seishinbyou> Yes, but now you should create a log of the files deleted, when, and keep the contents of the deleted files in an archived folder :)
[03:22] <ruisu> ok gbye
[03:22] <ruisu> need to do homework XD
[03:22] <ruisu> good nite to everyone :)
[03:23] <Telroth_Plushie|> campbch, looks like you caught a file in-between edits. using cvs source?
[03:23] <campbch> no, svn
[03:23] <Telroth_Plushie|> same thing
[03:23] <Telroth_Plushie|> :P
[03:23] <campbch> :o
[03:23] <Telroth_Plushie|> wait a few days
[03:23] <charlie5> thanks guys
[03:23] <Telroth_Plushie|> (not literally same thing, but more or less the most up-to-date you can get)
[03:24] <Telroth_Plushie|> wait a few days and try again
[03:24] <charlie5> Telroth_Plushie|: chnaging backup names '.' prefix sounds best, thanks
[03:24] <Telroth_Plushie|> yw
[03:27] <campbch> is there a reason my text will randomly paste into whatever im typing?
[03:27] <seishinbyou> middle mouse button?
[03:27] <campbch> im not touching the mouse
[03:32] <stodge> Hi - anyone else having a problem mounting a floppy drive in kubunty edgy?
[03:33] <T3hWiz0rd> how can i change what resolution kubuntu uses in my TTY windows?
[03:34] <stodge> Or does anyone know what device a floppy drive is?
[03:34] <T3hWiz0rd> anyone on that?
[03:34] <seishinbyou> Floppy drive?  I was hoping that era would draw to a close already
[03:34] <stodge> Nope still there
[03:35] <stodge> Never mind - kubuntu had setup the device for the floppy drive in /etc/fstab as /dev instead of /dev/fd0
[03:35] <seishinbyou> I wish I could help, but I haven't seen a floppy drive in a PC here for years now except for sale separately with lots of multicard readers built in as well
[03:35] <stodge> So two major bugs for me now
[03:35] <Admiral_Chicago> can someone point me toward a Boot CD, i hosed my partitons and linux live CDs won't boot
[03:36] <Telroth_Plushie|> kubuntu.org ?
[03:36] <Telroth_Plushie|> downloads -> live cd ?
[03:36] <T3hWiz0rd> Telroth_Plushie|: the install CD is the live CD
[03:37] <campbch> that shouldnt change anything if it's set to boot from cd, would it?
[03:37] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: What happens when they try to boot?
[03:37] <T3hWiz0rd> campbch: depends, it could set linux into errors if its trying to mount fusskered drives
[03:38] <Admiral_Chicago> DaSkreech: grub won't boot, the linux partion with grub was deleted from the windows pratiton
[03:38] <wildchild> !seen hawkwind
[03:38] <ubotu> Hawkwind is on IRC right now!
[03:38] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: Why won't live CDs work?
[03:38] <Hawkwind> wildchild: Can I help you ?
[03:39] <wildchild> nothing, just enjoy watchig prison break :P
[03:39] <Admiral_Chicago> because they stall at a point. i tried
[03:39] <thompa> is there some way to fix the pdf print settings so my page is not cut off?
[03:39] <wildchild> Hawkwind: after is progress done :P
[03:39] <Hawkwind> wildchild: Huh ?
[03:40] <wildchild> Hawkwind, we r the only one there using KTorrents :P
[03:40] <Hawkwind> wildchild: You're on ScT ?
[03:41] <wildchild> check the leecheres :P
[03:41] <wildchild> I was wondering how many ppl uses KTorrent  there and that's how I found u..
[03:41] <Hawkwind> wildchild: Hah, that's kewl.  I never look at those things
[03:42] <Hawkwind> wildchild: I've watched it already.  I just download them and burn them to DVD since I love the show
[03:42] <Jucato> lol
[03:42] <teledyn_> why in god's name is ctrl-s  BOTH save and find in KDE apps?  wtf is wrong with ctrl-f for find???
[03:42] <wildchild> Hawkwind: ru form france?
[03:42] <wildchild> from*
[03:43] <Hawkwind> wildchild: No, I'm in the USA
[03:43] <wildchild> that makes sence
[03:43] <wildchild> either from usa or france..
[03:43] <teledyn_> maybe because the german word for "find" is Suchen?
[03:43] <DaSkreech> Maybe :)
[03:43] <Jucato> teledyn_: Ctrl+S is only Save here for me.what app?
[03:44] <teledyn_> Jucato: kate
[03:44] <Jucato> it's Save here. you can modify the shortcuts anyway
[03:44] <Hawkwind> wildchild: You on feedthe.net by chance ?
[03:44] <teledyn_> still, just because Suchen and Speichern both begin with S in german, why mess up the english keybindings?
[03:44] <Jucato> teledyn_: ask your KDE i18n team...
[03:45] <wildchild> Hawkwind: nop, but I am no IRCNET, after-all and ScT servers
[03:45] <Hawkwind> wildchild: PM real quick
[03:45] <teledyn_> Jucato: under File and Edit menus both are listed as Ctrl-S.  when i press it, it gives a little popup to select which one i want
[03:45] <wildchild> Hawkwind just a sec to rename
[03:47] <teledyn_> Jucato: ah yes i found the Keyboard Shortcuts section in Control Center.
[03:48] <Jucato> teledyn_: it might or might not be a global KDE setting. Kate has its own keyboard shortcuts
[03:48] <teledyn_> Jucato: oddly, when i reassigned find to ctrl-f is now says "default"   earlier it said "custom" when ctrl-s was set
[03:48] <Jucato> teledyn_: Kate -> Settings -> Configure Shortcuts...
[03:48] <teledyn_> Jucato: its under "Application Shortcuts"
[03:49] <brett> Will someone help me debug my sound settings?
[03:49] <Jucato> teledyn_: that, too. although that does control global KDE settings.
[03:49] <Jucato> which is what you want, I presume?
[03:51] <brett> My sound was working earlier today and now for some reason it is not working at all. Can someone help me pleaseL
[03:51] <teledyn_> Jucato: yeah oddly the default in Kate is Ctrl-S for find, which is different than the global one
[03:51] <DaSkreech> !sound
[03:51] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[03:51] <brett> DaSkreech: Thanks
[03:52] <[Relic] > fresh install  :)
[03:52] <thompa> anybody using adobe 7 and printing, hello?
[03:52] <thompa> or is it not allowed to print in linux
[03:56] <Dr_willis> The acrobat reader program?
[03:56] <thompa> Dr_willis: yes
[03:56] <Dr_willis> Its printed for me befor.
[03:57] <Dr_willis> not sure if ive tried it lately. :P
[03:57] <thompa> i had a heck of a time setting up HP 1018 laserjet, not it works and i used the ppd file for adobe, kpdf prints fine
[03:58] <Dr_willis> not tried it on edgy it seems. since its not installed.. lets installit and see.
[03:58] <thompa> Dr_willis: cool
[03:58] <Dr_willis> :) now to find a little pdf file
[03:58] <thompa> it looks real good anyway
[03:59] <thompa> Dr_willis: btw, when i tpye that apt command it says a ton of packages no longer required
[04:00] <thompa> like everything kde and says to 'apt-get autoremove'
[04:01] <Jucato> is there something wrong with frames in KWord 1.6? I can't seem to drag/resize frames, so I can't follow the tutorial...
[04:02] <Dr_willis> thompa,  you got some apt-get cleaning to do then it seems :)
[04:02] <Dr_willis> gettting a pdf file from   http://incompetech.com/beta/hexagonalGraphPaper/triangle.html
[04:04] <Dr_willis> well cant find the acroread icon,,, or command.. heh..
[04:04] <Dr_willis> doh - it aint installed yet.. :)
[04:04] <thompa> let me try that
[04:04] <Dr_willis> slow downloading
[04:04] <Dr_willis> acroread 7.0.8-0.0.ubuntu2 [22.9MB] 
[04:04] <Dr_willis> gesh
[04:04] <thompa> i was using firefox
[04:05] <Dr_willis> i dident isntall the firefox-acroread plugin.
[04:05] <Dr_willis> i perfer pdf's to not show up in the browser. :)
[04:05] <thompa> neverming, i downloaded a pdf , open it with adobe and it wont print
[04:05] <cpk1> isnt there a kpdf?
[04:06] <seishinbyou> Oh, that tune2fs command worked like a charm; my manager's PC no longer does the disk check every 30 boots
[04:06] <thompa> kpdf works fine
[04:06] <Dr_willis> kpdf, and evince,
[04:06] <Dr_willis> not sure of others.
[04:06] <Dr_willis> seishinbyou,  makeit check EVERY boot.
[04:06] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:06] <cpk1> so err why bother using adobe if kpdf works fine?
[04:06] <Dr_willis> 30 boots sould be about once every month. Heh.
[04:06] <Dr_willis> or less..
[04:06] <seishinbyou> Yeah, if I want to lose my job, maybe... well, if I ever become distraught with my job...
[04:07] <seishinbyou> For my manager, 30 boots is like 4 days
[04:07] <Dr_willis> If his data is that imporntant.. i think checking the data is a good idea. :)
[04:07] <cpk1> the last time i rebooted my uptime was around 20 days
[04:07] <Dr_willis> I had a month uptime on my fileserver... then the power went out.
[04:07] <Dr_willis> :(
[04:08] <cpk1> so at that rate i would check every year (2 reboots a month)
[04:08] <seishinbyou> Dr_willis: That "check" caused lost data and he no longer trusts it (in reality, it reported errors, and the "fix" destroyed his data)
[04:08] <cpk1> well if its in a bad sector...
[04:09] <archangel_> hey you think that I can run ultra memory with my samsung ?  both ddr 3200
[04:09] <seishinbyou> The point was that everything was working (he also had backups), and this auto-check and "fix" causes his system to die, and he wasn't a happy man that day
[04:09] <thompa> Dr_willis: i downloaded http://www.longman.com/adult/pdf/eday_activ.pdf
[04:09] <thompa> and trying to print in adobe, nothing happens
[04:09] <cpk1> i thought it moved bad data to lost&found?
[04:10] <seishinbyou> Him doing it at his own leisure suits him fine, which is never in his case
[04:10] <brett> DaSkreech: I went to the sound page and found my sound card... now it is telling me to try the options with this command: echo options [module-name]  [module-options]  >> /etc/modprobe.d/[module-name]  .. how do you figure out what to put under options?
[04:11] <archangel_> ?
[04:12] <thompa> Dr_willis: i think i may just use kpdf,
[04:13] <brett> DaSkreech: are you there?
[04:13] <thompa> gnome pdf viewer works fine too, I dont trust adobe anyway
[04:14] <brett> Can someone help me understand this trouble shooter: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems ?
[04:18] <thompa> brett: what you need
[04:20] <brett> thompa: I am running through this trouble shooter https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[04:20] <thompa> ok
[04:21] <brett> and the fifth command down (fifth yellow box down) asks for module options
[04:21] <thompa> whats your trouble
[04:21] <brett> they ask you to type echo options [module-name]  [module-options]  ect
[04:21] <brett> and it does not specify what to type there
[04:22] <brett> i do not know what the options is supposed to be
[04:22] <thompa> brett: try the simple stuff first
[04:23] <brett> thompa: I dont understand
[04:23] <brett> thompa: you mean type nothing there?
[04:23] <thompa> sorry, whats your sound problem?
[04:24] <brett> i do not have any sound
[04:24] <brett> i did earlier today but now it is gone
[04:24] <brett> i have been playing with my video settings since then
[04:24] <thompa> whats in system settings: sound system?
[04:25] <thompa> under hardware
[04:25] <brett> it has autodetect selected
[04:25] <thompa> change it to alsa. it will restart, test it, the go back to auto
[04:26] <brett> did not work
[04:26] <DaSkreech> brett: Kinda
[04:27] <brett> DaSkreech: i sent that message twenty minutes ago
[04:27] <DaSkreech> brett: I know sorry
[04:27] <DaSkreech>  brett Hat options are you talking abou?
[04:27] <thompa> brett: whats in kinfo center for sound
[04:27] <brett> DaSkreech: np... thompa is trying to help me now
[04:28] <DaSkreech> ok :-)
[04:28] <thompa> system: kinfocenter
[04:28] <brett> thompa: kinfo? where is that
[04:28] <thompa> brett: there it lists card and driver
[04:29] <brett> thompa: ok found kinfo
[04:29] <brett> thompa: do you want me to paste everything in kinfo?
[04:29] <thompa> no wahts in card:
[04:30] <thompa> *whats card:
[04:30] <brett> Card Config.... SB Live 5.1
[04:30] <thompa> installed drivers?
[04:30] <brett> VIA 8237 mihd CMI9761
[04:30] <brett> Installed Drivers....
[04:30] <brett> Type 10:ALSO emulation
[04:30] <brett> err
[04:30] <brett> ALSA emulation
[04:31] <thompa> brett: good
[04:31] <thompa> brett: are your kmixer settings all up
[04:32] <brett> i have two lines under Mixers
[04:32] <brett> if that is what you mean
[04:32] <brett> 0: eMicro
[04:32] <brett> and
[04:32] <brett> 1: C-Media
[04:32] <thompa> go to multimedia: kmixer in menu
[04:32] <thompa> turn everything up
[04:33] <brett> some where down
[04:33] <brett> let me retry sound
[04:34] <brett> nope
[04:34] <thompa> go back to system settings: sound one more time
[04:35] <brett> still nothing
[04:35] <thompa> brett: in hardware do alsa, then go back to auto
[04:36] <thompa> brett: is it restarting
[04:36] <thompa> and in general try . test sound then
[04:36] <brett> it is restarting but still no sound
[04:37] <thompa> what was it you configured before it stopped working
[04:38] <brett> xorg.conf
[04:38] <brett> i changed that many times and rebooted several times
[04:38] <brett> but i ended up changing it back to its original contents
[04:39] <thompa> thats not the problem
[04:39] <brett> yeah... i didnt see any sound stuff in there
[04:39] <thompa> open terminal, type "sudo totem" try playing something
[04:40] <brett> totem command not found.
[04:40] <brett> what is totem?
[04:40] <thompa> brett: lastly, if that dont work try running command "alsamixer"
[04:40] <cpk1> kubuntu doesnt come with totem
[04:40] <thompa> oh
[04:40] <cpk1> thats a gnome app
[04:40] <thompa> ok
[04:41] <thompa> brett: do alsamixer
[04:41] <brett> i am running that
[04:41] <brett> i dont know what to do though
[04:41] <thompa> arrow keys, up arrows etc
[04:41] <cpk1> try alsaplayer soundfilehere if you want to see if you can play something
[04:42] <brett> cpk1: how?
[04:42] <thompa> i used to run alsaconfig but dont see that now
[04:43] <cpk1> oh never mind there isnt a alsaplayer
[04:44] <thompa> heh
[04:44] <thompa> brett: eh, speakers plugged in and all that
[04:45] <cpk1> sorry use play soundfilehere
[04:45] <brett> thompa: i assume so... nothing should of been moved since they last worked but i guess i should check
[04:46] <tobias_> will adept upgrade my flash player, or must I?
[04:46] <brett> thompa: plugged in ok
[04:46] <cpk1> well considering that i am pretty sure flash 9 is still beta you probably need to =)
[04:46] <thompa> brett: can you see sounnd output like cd playing
[04:46] <tobias_> oki:)
[04:46] <cpk1> brett: what does play somerandomsoundfile say?
[04:46] <brett> thompa: i dont know
[04:47] <brett> i do not have any sound files laying around
[04:47] <thompa> put in a cd
[04:47] <brett> i have be using you tube
[04:47] <brett> ok
[04:47] <brett> cd is a good idea
[04:47] <mogli> i want to play chess ... but this version dont have it :S ... grrr .... were can i  find it ?
[04:47] <thompa> mogli: knights is installable, worked for me
[04:48] <cpk1> mogli: there are several chess games you can download with aptitude
[04:48] <mogli> y ... but were do i get knights ...
[04:48] <mogli> i have use it ... in the slax live version hehe :)
[04:49] <brett> it says
[04:49] <brett> No WIN32 codecs found in /usr/lib/win32. You're not able to play Windows Media 9 files, newer Real Media files and some less common formats.
[04:49] <mogli> but in kubuntu i dont have it
[04:49] <mogli> :(
[04:49] <cpk1> mogli: use aptitude!
[04:49] <cpk1> !info knights
[04:49] <ubotu> knights: A chess interface for the K Desktop Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6-7.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 784 kB, installed size 1764 kB
[04:50] <tobias_> ooh
[04:50] <thompa> brett: you got amarok right
[04:50] <tobias_> chess
[04:50] <brett> thompa: what is that?
[04:50] <thompa> is amarok part of kde, cant remember
[04:50] <cpk1> brett: you need the codecs to play that
[04:50] <cpk1> !codecs
[04:50] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:50] <brett> i am seeing the bars move when i play audio
[04:51] <thompa> well thats good
[04:51] <brett> i am looking through that restricted formats page
[04:51] <mogli> aptitude?!
[04:51] <mogli> whats that ...
[04:51] <brett> and i am not seeing all the files that they are asking me to install
[04:51] <mogli> command in channel?
[04:51] <thompa> brett: i would do everything on that page, even thought its not your immediat problem
[04:51] <brett> i think i am missing repositories
[04:52] <thompa> you need to enable universe, etc,
[04:52] <thompa> just follow page top to bottom
[04:52] <Jucato> brett: you have to manually download the w32codecs .deb package and install it (right-click on it)
[04:52] <brett> thompa: i enabled all the repositories that i saw
[04:52] <brett> Jucato: where can i get that
[04:52] <Jucato> the w32codecs are not in any of the repos
[04:52] <brett> thompa: i did
[04:52] <Jucato> brett: the RestrictedFormats page has intructions
[04:53] <Jucato> brett: scroll down to the part about Windows Media
[04:53] <thompa> ya but thats not his sound problem right now
[04:53] <Jucato> do note that w32codecs only works on 32-bit machines
[04:53] <Carbon_Monoxide> Good day everybody
[04:53] <Jucato> probably, it does solve the other error message
[04:53] <brett> thompa: I think i need to add some repositories to my list
[04:54] <ostse> good day Carbon_M
[04:54] <Carbon_Monoxide> :)
[04:55] <Jucato> brett: "No WIN32 codecs found in /usr/lib/win32. You're not able to play Windows Media 9 files, newer Real Media files and some less common formats." means that you don't have w32codecs installed, which can't be found in any of the official repositories
[04:55] <Jucato> brett: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-6c942d1939d97331f96e42b63774003fde7daed5
[04:55] <brett> Jucato: ok... what do i need to install
[04:56] <brett> Jucato: ok i am trying that
[04:56] <brett> Jucato: thanks,,, hopefully that will work
[04:57] <Carbon_Monoxide> Is there any way to disable my pppd running at startup?
[04:57] <Jucato> hopefully, unless you have some other sound problems
[04:58] <Dr_willis> wow 124 email spams.. and i wonder where they got my email address from..
[04:58] <Carbon_Monoxide> the pppoeconf fails to access eth0 when pppd is on.
[04:59] <thompa> brett: your sound not working is another issue, thats for playing cds and stuff
[05:00] <thompa> brett: what version of kubuntu you got?
[05:01] <thompa> Dr_willis: hey doc. did the adobe print?
[05:01] <chris123__> greets
[05:01] <thompa> howdy
[05:02] <chris123__> ..:)
[05:02] <chris123__> anyone here got flash9 running stable on edgy?
[05:02] <brett> Jucato: it installed but still nothing is working
[05:03] <chris123__> at this end it works for a while then dies...
[05:03] <Jucato> brett: thompa says you have a sound problem. so no matter what codecs you install, if sound doesn't totally work, it won't work
[05:03] <chris123__> any success stories?
[05:04] <thompa> well he needs to do it eventually i guess
[05:04] <Dr_willis> thompa,  i never even tried.. got disttated playing GBA games. :)
[05:04] <Jucato> depends on what he needs to do :P
[05:04] <Jucato> yay Pokemon!! :P
[05:04] <thompa> whats gba?
[05:04] <Jucato> Gameboy Advance
[05:04] <thompa> i play bzflag, im number 1 almost
[05:05] <ostse> brett: for those who joined in late, could you describe your sound problem?
[05:05] <Dr_willis> Thing prints fine for me thompa
[05:05] <brett> sure
[05:05] <Dr_willis> good old reliable networked-enabled-hp-laserjet-6l
[05:05] <brett> I do not have any sound... i recently switched from XP to Kubuntu
[05:06] <brett> The sound was working in Kubuntu earlier today
[05:06] <thompa> Dr_willis: i uninstalled all my cups and pdf stuff, so I may be missing something still
[05:06] <brett> and worked fine in windows
[05:06] <brett> i was messing with my video settings and went to work
[05:06] <brett> now no sound
[05:06] <thompa> hp 1018, its got a few problems
[05:07] <thompa> like the driver took 2 hours to setup
[05:07] <brett> When i play sound the bars do move so the computer is reading the sound fine
[05:07] <thompa> im still not sure if its working, but the text is sometimes cut at bottom, maybe half paragraph
[05:07] <robotgeek> brett: try restarting your sound system. K->Menu -> System SSettings -> Sound
[05:07] <ostse> OK...look in KinfoCenter..Sound,,,and see if entries therein...Sound Card installed drivers etc...
[05:07] <thompa> he did that
[05:08] <brett> and i did it again
[05:08] <brett> ostse: there are entries
[05:08] <mogli> just one question ... i want to play cs in linux ... what most i do?
[05:08] <thompa> check your speakers are actually working, check bios
[05:09] <brett> thompa: how do i do that?
[05:09] <thompa> is there onboard sound?
[05:09] <brett> thompa: i do not know what that is
[05:09] <thompa> brett: i think its f1 or f2, i have 2 cards
[05:10] <thompa> one if i diasbale mobo card it always works,
[05:10] <thompa> or other way around
[05:10] <brett> thompa: you want me to push F1 right now?
[05:10] <thompa> no
[05:10] <thompa> whats the computer you got?
[05:10] <brett> hmm
[05:11] <brett> i put it together
[05:11] <brett> what specifically do you want to know about it
[05:11] <thompa> whats the motherboard, mine is rip-off
[05:11] <mogli> i want to play CS what most i do
[05:12] <brett> my motherboard is probably 3 years old... i don't remeber-
[05:12] <thompa> brett: did you add the  (a) sound card
[05:12] <brett> thompa: yes...it is not an onboard one
[05:12] <brett> thompa: oh is that what you meant
[05:13] <brett> thompa: is it onboard
[05:13] <thompa> brett: i think you can still fix it with systems settings: sound gui
[05:13] <brett> thompa: actually i have onboard and a sound card
[05:13] <thompa> go back there and try different settings
[05:13] <thompa> click apply etc
[05:13] <brett> thompa: i had it pluged into the motherboard
[05:13] <thompa> then test
[05:14] <brett> YEEAH
[05:14] <brett> Great Success
[05:14] <thompa> he
[05:14] <brett> It must of been configured for the sound card not the onboard sound
[05:14] <brett> i do not know why it worked earlier
[05:14] <thompa> yep
[05:14] <brett> Thank you very much
[05:15] <thompa> I have 2 and disable my onboard sound I think,
[05:15] <thompa> so was it pugged into wrong slot? lol
[05:15] <brett> you know for some reason everytime i reinstall windows
[05:15] <brett> one of them works and the other doesnt
[05:15] <brett> it alternates
[05:16] <Dasnipa`> say whats the command to restart x?
[05:16] <thompa> its windows, is the problem then
[05:16] <mogli> guys .... what most i do to run games and programs from windows ... with linux instaler
[05:16] <BluesKaj> brett  , this may be obvious to you, but did youc heck your kmix settings after upgrading ...they might be set to 4 ch like mine were
[05:16] <Carbon_Monoxide> can anyone tell me how to disable pppd stop running at startup?
[05:17] <brett> BluesKaj: what do you mean? i meant when i reinstall windows it does that... this is the first linux os that i have got to work
[05:17] <Carbon_Monoxide> disable pppd running at startup
[05:18] <BluesKaj> ok  brett , i had to run a firmware update on my dvd writer in windows after I updated to edgy...beleive it or not
[05:18] <thompa> brett: i got the same exact problem in windows media center
[05:18] <brett> BluesKaj: you had a dual partition?
[05:18] <thompa> windows xp also, so i removed them
[05:18] <brett> thompa: really... heh.
[05:19] <BluesKaj> yes brett, I still do
[05:19] <thompa> im only missing games and one web editor
[05:19] <brett> BluesKaj: and linux messed up your windows config?
[05:19] <BluesKaj> yeah , brett so it seems
[05:20] <firebird619> Where do I go in Kubuntu to get information on the hardware in the computer, specifically the hard drive manufacturer?
[05:22] <Jucato> firebird619: try KInfoCenter
[05:23] <thompa> im running lindvd, its not too bad actually
[05:23] <thompa> better than any windows palyer anyway
[05:23] <BluesKaj> I ran Debian in VMware in windows and it totally screwed up my sound card drivers and my DHCP
[05:23] <thompa> 1440x900
[05:23] <ostse> Carbon_M: take a look at this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491
[05:24] <firebird619> Jucato: I checked in there and didn't see anyting about HDD manufacturer, unless I missed something. Any idea where under KInfoCenter it is?
[05:24] <noxion> Can any of you guys please tell how to get konquerer to remember my folder settings?
[05:25] <[Relic] > is there an easy way to batch process a ton of apt-gets?  since this is a fresh install and I want to get everything back to where I had it?
[05:25] <thompa> gets the resolution right godzilla final wars, but couldnt skip intro warnings
[05:25] <Jucato> firebird619: ah that one, no I don't know. sorry
[05:25] <BluesKaj> yeah it's called adept :)
[05:25] <thompa> sony disk i guess
[05:26] <Th3_Cr0up13R> hi guys , i cannot get a flash player for ubuntu
[05:26] <firebird619> Jucato: ok, Thank You
[05:26] <Th3_Cr0up13R> aparently there isnt one in the macromedia site
[05:26] <Th3_Cr0up13R> which one do i choose from all those?
[05:26] <Jucato> !flash | Th3_Cr0up13R
[05:26] <[Relic] > going blind looking at adept because it doesn't take system colors so that really isn't an option
[05:26] <ubotu> Th3_Cr0up13R: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:26] <Th3_Cr0up13R> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/
[05:26] <thompa> none of the players for dvd in windows will get the wide screen size right for some reason
[05:26] <noxion> Anyone who can take a second and tell me how?
[05:26] <noxion> I'm trying to learn :\
[05:27] <BluesKaj> you need eye candy when yer working , [Relic]  ?
[05:27] <thompa> brett: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[05:27] <firebird619> Jucato: In doing some exploring, I just found it under System Settings, Advanced, Disks and Filesystems.
[05:27] <[Relic] > need to dump the blinding white background
[05:28] <Jucato> [Relic] : to make Adept follow your user's color scheme, you need to change root's color scheme by running "kdesu systemsettings"
[05:28] <Jucato> (System Settings as root will change root's appearance)
[05:29] <thompa> is any one running compiz or berly
[05:29] <[Relic] > could I make a shell script with a bunch of apt-gets?
[05:30] <thompa> !xgl
[05:30] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:31] <Th3_Cr0up13R> ubotu:  i need like an internet flash player
[05:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i need like an internet flash player - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:31] <BluesKaj> never got compiz to work without XGL crashing
[05:31] <brett> thompa: i went through that...
[05:32] <josh_> help!
[05:33] <josh_> emergency
[05:33] <josh_> DeVeDe is only turning my video files into mpg
[05:33] <josh_> how do i get it onto a dvd?
[05:33] <josh_> it's a school project for my brother
[05:34] <BluesKaj> ok , once compiz is installed , then what ?
[05:36] <noxion> Can any of you guys tell me how to save my folder view settings in Konq
[05:36] <Dr_willis> set them as the default profile perhaps.
[05:36] <josh_> yessssss
[05:36] <josh_> i figured it out
[05:36] <BluesKaj> josh use the .iso setting
[05:36] <josh_> ya
[05:36] <noxion> How do i do that?
[05:36] <josh_> after it converted
[05:37] <BluesKaj> before
[05:37] <josh_> i converted the converted file
[05:37] <josh_> then it made an iso
[05:37] <josh_> then i burned the iso with k3b
[05:37] <BluesKaj> yes , that's the way it works
[05:37] <Dr_willis> settings -> save view profile
[05:37] <BluesKaj> converts first , then you use k3b
[05:37] <noxion> Thank you
[05:38] <noxion> I appreciate it
[05:38] <josh_> it would be better if it converted then right after burn it to a cd
[05:39] <josh_> all in one step
[05:39] <maltaethiron> anybody know how big the typical backup file is that comes out of keep?
[05:40] <josh_> umm
[05:40] <josh_> it's been "closing disk" for like 3 minutes
[05:41] <josh_> is that normal
[05:41] <josh_> i'm burning at 2x
[05:41] <rodolfo> hello
[05:42] <maltaethiron> wooo...anyone?
[05:43] <josh_> never min
[05:43] <josh_> i'm gonna go test this
[05:44] <willy> alguien de uds me ensea a poner el juego super tux
[05:44] <willy> que me muero por jugar
[05:45] <rodolfo> willy consulta en algun lug
[05:45] <kalbo> hi guys !
[05:45] <kalbo> abattoir !
[05:45] <willy> como donde
[05:45] <willy> porfa
[05:47] <willy> como entro al canal en espaol
[05:47] <willy> de ubuntu
[05:47] <willy> de klubuntu en espaol
[05:48] <josh_> #kubuntu-espagnol
[05:48] <rodolfo> eso mismo estoy buscando
[05:48] <robotgeek> !es
[05:48] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:49] <josh_> ah thats the one
[05:49] <maltaethiron> !keep
[05:49] <ubotu> keep: backup system for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.0-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 189 kB, installed size 836 kB
[05:49] <rodolfo> Thanka a lot
[05:49] <josh_> #kubuntu-de
[05:49] <rodolfo> denmark?
[05:50] <Rawrness> !java
[05:50] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[05:50] <willy> estoy ponuiendo esto en consola
[05:50] <willy> apt-get install supertux
[05:50] <Rawrness> !java9
[05:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about java9 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:50] <willy> pero me dice que no tengo candidatos para su instalacion
[05:51] <willy> que hago
[05:51] <rodolfo> ta bien
[05:51] <willy> alguien me puede ayudar
[05:51] <verma> kdewallet isn't accepting my password anymore, is there a way to reset the password for it?
[05:51] <rodolfo> dbe se r las dir de repositorio
[05:51] <willy> rodolfo me puedes ayudas
[05:51] <rodolfo> buscalo en la web
[05:51] <verma> is it a non-english channel?
[05:51] <willy> rodolfo ayudame
[05:51] <rodolfo> toy en eso
[05:51] <robotgeek> please keep it in english in here
[05:52] <Rawrness> where do i get the beta java from?
[05:52] <rodolfo> willy pasa te a kubuntu-es
[05:52] <robotgeek> see #kubuntu-es for spanish
[05:52] <rodolfo> sorry robotgeek
[05:52] <robotgeek> rodolfo: no problemo :)
[05:52] <willy> como
[05:53] <rodolfo> im newbie
[05:53] <robotgeek> rodolfo: not an issue, its just that we can't help you :)
[05:53] <verma> no way to reset the damn password?
[05:53] <rodolfo> ok im tryng to help a fellow
[05:54] <robotgeek> verma: maybe it is in .kde directory, delete the kde wallet entries?
[05:54] <rodolfo> willy anda al cnal #kubuntu-es
[05:54] <verma> robotgeek: alright, let me try that
[05:54] <willy> ya
[05:55] <verma> robotgeek: nothing in there ...
[05:58] <josh_> i burned a dvd iso but the video was greyscale
[05:58] <josh_> the video file is color
[06:00] <rkaprows> can anyone answer a minor kde question
[06:01] <verma> ah .. now it works .. it was in ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet
[06:01] <Hawkwind> rkaprows: Just ask your question
[06:02] <robotgeek> verma: cool :)
[06:03] <rkaprows> well it's sort of just an odd niggling thing thats just enough to bug me,, but during the logon does anyone notice odd graphical corruption under the bouncing kde logo in kubunu 6.10
[06:03] <rkaprows> ie it appears to white out the space under it
[06:03] <Hawkwind> Known issue in pretty much every distro
[06:04] <josh_> can someone tell my why its black and white
[06:04] <josh_> the video
[06:04] <josh_> it's a school project
[06:04] <rkaprows> ok good i guess,, well good and bad.  I finaly managed to get the nvidia drivers from the nvidia site to work properly,, at least i think so i was wondering if it was still something there
[06:05] <rkaprows> which i might add was a royal pain from the perspective of a first time user
[06:06] <Hawkwind> Installing Nvidia drivers was a pain ?
[06:06] <rkaprows> the ones from the nvidia site,, not the simple apt-get nvidia-glx ones
[06:07] <Hawkwind> No harder.  I use the ones from nvidia.com and it's one command and you're done
[06:07] <rkaprows> wasnt for me, everytime i would load them i kept getting an api mismatch error following an xserver crash
[06:08] <rkaprows> unless theres some easier way to put them on i dont know of
[06:09] <rkaprows> or maybe it had to do with having the nvidia-glx ones still on there before using the installer package
[06:09] <rkaprows> which was ultimately the problem
[06:09] <rkaprows> not removing them completely
[06:11] <life> l
[06:11] <sephrys> joystick in kubuntu?!
[06:11] <abattoir> hello dude_
[06:11] <sephrys> how is it possible
[06:11] <sephrys> sidewinder
[06:12] <sephrys> on a snd_ali5451
[06:13] <rkaprows> what would you use a joystick for in linux
[06:14] <sephrys> mame
[06:14] <sephrys> so how do i get it to work?
[06:14] <rkaprows> not familiar with mame
[06:14] <sephrys> neogeo emu
[06:14] <sephrys> but mame does like 15 emus
[06:15] <sephrys> if not more
[06:15] <rkaprows> can't answer how to get it to work, i have about a grand total of maybe 10 hours lifetime linux use under my belt
[06:15] <sephrys> so where the snap can i get my joystick werkin
[06:15] <sephrys> poser
[06:16] <rkaprows> you can ask the hardcore linux gurus but they will probably roll their eyes and deem your question beneath their station
[06:16] <sephrys> yeah
[06:17] <rkaprows> then again. they probably don't know because they don't play games
[06:18] <rkaprows> necessity being mother of all knowledge yadda yadda
[06:18] <noiesmo> sephrys, I don't know the answer to your Q but does kde system settings detect your jopystick
[06:18] <noiesmo> jopystick/joystick
[06:19] <noiesmo> sephrys, I do use mame and I know its possible to use joystick but havent tried
[06:19] <rkaprows> im going to guess this mame emulator has the joystick support built into itself
[06:20] <noiesmo> there are settings for it you config thru the games interface
[06:20] <rkaprows> does the emulator have a howto file that may be a good place to start
[06:23] <rkaprows> well the faq for the program is pretty vague.. just says yes joysticks work
[06:30] <dbglt> ok
[06:31] <dbglt> this is getting insane
[06:31] <Chi_0> hello all
[06:31] <dbglt> something keeps overwriting my resolv.conf
[06:31] <dbglt> but I have no idea what...
[06:31] <dbglt> is there anyway to find out what is + stopping it (short of making resolv.conf -w?)
[06:32] <Chi_0> can any one help me w/ my ati install
[06:34] <dbglt> Chi_0: might try #ati
[06:35] <Chi_0> I did the chat is dead :(
[06:36] <obi-juan> !ati | Chi_0
[06:36] <ubotu> Chi_0: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:36] <dart1007> #u
[06:37] <Chi_0> that is what i used but, I am having probs
[06:42] <UTENTE> hello
[06:42] <UTENTE> im trying to burn the amd 64 version of kubuntu but every time gives me a error even whit different cd's and nero imgburn can u tell me why?
[06:43] <abattoir> UTENTE: what error does it give?
[06:43] <UTENTE> when the cd is done on the cd check
[06:44] <UTENTE> does the cd but fails to pass the cd write verify
[06:44] <UTENTE> can u tell me what's the problem aba?
[06:44] <Jucato> UTENTE: have you tried checking the md5sum of the image you downloaded?
[06:45] <Jucato> !md5sum
[06:45] <ubotu> To verify the authenticity of a downloaded ISO image.  Command:  md5sum /path/to/file.iso Windows users: http://slavasoft.com and grab Fsum 2.51 or also check: http://www.nullriver.com/index/products/winmd5sum
[06:45] <UTENTE> i installed that program but don't know how to make it work
[06:47] <redphoenix> holy crap I finally got Edgy to work
[06:47] <UTENTE> is there a way to che whit Mark Shuttleworth does he ever connect to the ubuntu kubuntu official chans?
[06:47] <Jucato> probably, but not in the user support channels.
[06:47] <UTENTE> did u have the same problem as me when making the boot cd red ?
[06:47] <UTENTE> id love to meet him once where does he connect jucato=?
[06:47] <smaggard__> hey folks
[06:47] <Jucato> dunno
[06:48] <redphoenix> UTENTE, it would only boot to console
[06:48] <redphoenix> also had problems with packages, still have 34 packages that refuse to upgrade
[06:48] <redphoenix> but anyway, turned out it was only booting to console due to a driver issue
[06:48] <UTENTE> mmm i better put the version before then i see 6.10 neads still some fix
[06:49] <UTENTE> ill wait they solve the bugs on it then ill put last one
[06:49] <redphoenix> I guess a new nvidia driver came along with the upgrade.... because whatever driver I had used "nv" in xorg.config or whatever the config file is named
[06:49] <UTENTE> if i got dapper does it auto update to last kubuntu version?
[06:49] <redphoenix> so I changed it to nvidia just on a whim and poof!
[06:49] <redphoenix> no, UTENTE
[06:49] <redphoenix> it does not
[06:50] <UTENTE> so if i want to upgrade it will do it 100% but only if i give the command for it right?
[06:50] <redphoenix> right.... and only if it works right
[06:50] <UTENTE> im new to linux so thanx for aswering all my questions
[06:51] <UTENTE> so red ok then red let's put the dapper and wait they fix new one best solution
[06:52] <UTENTE> u like the idea?
[06:53] <redphoenix> yeah if you're new to linux dapper is your best bet
[06:53] <UTENTE> im not going to request free cd so i leave it to who really neads it
[06:54] <UTENTE> jhondoe why u ask me things in italian in pvt then don't answer me?
[06:54] <UTENTE> and yes rome italy here new to linux
[06:54] <Jucato> !it
[06:54] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:54] <Jucato> UTENTE: you might be interested going there too  ^^^^^^
[06:55] <UTENTE> well i have friends who make this n1 linux journal in italy colled oltelinux
[06:55] <UTENTE> if u want to join azzura irc #oltrelinux
[06:55] <UTENTE> is this the official kubuntu of the world ?
[06:56] <Jucato> there is only one Kubuntu
[06:56] <Jucato> #kubuntu is the English channel
[06:56] <UTENTE> o seen many on irc strange
[06:56] <Jucato> you mean the channel?
[06:56] <UTENTE> maby they are support chans of this
[06:56] <UTENTE> yes
[06:56] <Jucato> this (#kubuntu) is the English support channel
[06:56] <UTENTE> u have ubuntu to?
[06:56] <Jucato> there are other #kubuntu- channels, depending on the locale
[06:57] <Jucato> yes, #ubuntu
[06:57] <Jucato> that's the Ubuntu English support channel
[06:57] <UTENTE> so jucato im going to do a dubble partion for now so i will use 95% kubuntu and %xp
[06:57] <UTENTE> as im new to linux they said it's the best for me
[06:57] <UTENTE> 5%*
[06:58] <Jucato> yes. that would be best, so that you don't have to remove XP until you're comfortable
[06:58] <jhondoe> UTENTE because i'm italian
[06:58] <jhondoe> asshole
[06:58] <Jucato> language, please
[06:58] <UTENTE> just nead xp to play americas army as they don't do it any more for linux
[06:58] <unix_infidel> anyone here know a decent way to convert VBR to CBR so i can burn it to a cd and minimize problems during burn.
[06:59] <UTENTE> hey calm down man i just asked u why u don't answer in pvt as u asked me
[07:00] <UTENTE> i don't see any @ here strange
[07:00] <UTENTE> where are the ops
[07:00] <UTENTE> ?
[07:00] <Jucato> they're called only when needed
[07:00] <UTENTE> a ok
[07:00] <Jucato> but they're here.
[07:01] <UTENTE> u think i made right choise to choose kde as it's more similar to xp and has more things then gnome?
[07:01] <UTENTE> they said if u start that's better for u
[07:01] <Jucato> that will really be up to you. personal preference
[07:01] <Jucato> try both and then decide what you like better
[07:01] <UTENTE> well if i don't go wrong kde has much more stuff then gnome
[07:01] <UTENTE> programs etc
[07:02] <Jucato> they have almost equal number of programs. almost
[07:02] <UTENTE> im a kde person for now
[07:02] <UTENTE> what about u jun?
[07:03] <UTENTE> i like gnome to btw any thing is linux bsd is nice
[07:05] <UTENTE>   http://www.myspace.com/ubuntulinux
[07:08] <UTENTE> where u from jucato?
[07:08] <unix_infidel> haha, did you just create that UTENTE ?
[07:08] <UTENTE> no
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[07:09] <UTENTE> there is this to   http://www.myspace.com/ubuntulinux
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[07:10] <UTENTE>   http://www.myspace.com/ubuntuspace   here is it
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[07:10] <Jucato> !ops
[07:10] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind or trappist
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[07:10] <Jucato> thank you :)
[07:10] <|lostbyte|> :)
[07:11] <unix_infidel> braino, frenris, purpleposeidon, yorikk, hollywoodb: you all have router's that are vulnerable to exploits.
[07:11] <UTENTE> so for the info kubuntu is identic in every thing to ubuntu just it's kde instead of gnome so more simple right?
[07:11] <UTENTE> are u hacking us infidel?
[07:13] <Hobbsee> UTENTE: yeah
[07:13] <UTENTE> o u are a security
[07:13] <UTENTE> see if im ok infidel
[07:13] <UTENTE> if u want
[07:14] <unix_infidel> could someone please create a factoid for the proper way to kill ghost procs and a link to documentation about this specific router exploit.
[07:14] <UTENTE> are u like a security tester here infidel?
[07:15] <unix_infidel> UTENTE: 1) try nick completion.  FOr instance my nick is unix_infidel to print it verbatim do: unix[then press tab] 
[07:15] <unix_infidel> 2) no, my current research is not in security, i tried it and found it boring.
[07:15] <Jucato> unix_infidel: I think he was referring to the fact that you mentioned some people who have vulnerable routers
[07:16] <unix_infidel> Jucato: i'm well aware of why he would come to that stipulation, it was just an FYI to those who were affected.
[07:16] <unix_infidel> and subsequently a request to anyone who has the power to create factoids.
[07:16] <Jucato> unix_infidel: heheh
[07:18] <walla_> i was wondering if anyone could give me a hand with error message i get when transfering songs to my ipod via amarok 1.4
[07:21] <nxn> hey
[07:23] <UTENTE> unix infidel can u check if im secure if u want
[07:24] <unix_infidel> UTENTE: you can do that yourself.
[07:25] <nxn> heh.
[07:25] <UTENTE> well i seen u testing people so if u want be free i did some seem ok if u can be ok whit xp
[07:25] <nxn> what the hell did you just say ^^^ ??
[07:25] <Jucato> UTENTE: he didn't test people
[07:26] <unix_infidel> UTENTE: you tend to misunderstand things.  That's ok.  But you should really google: "exploit frameworks" and "nessus" (respectively).
[07:27] <unix_infidel> UTENTE: secondly, AOL Chat is a great place to kill time and speak with other people versed in AOL speak, check it out.
[07:27] <braino_> sorry for the spam guys =/
[07:28] <UTENTE> it was a joke but usa uk dosen't get italian humor
[07:29] <Jucato> specially if we can't make sense of what you were trying to say in the first place...
[07:29] <UTENTE> well i must get used to this new mentality
[07:30] <Jucato> or get used to trying to speak straight English in here :P
[07:31] <Jasey> hi there. superkaramba isnt letting me install a widget which it says is already installed, but isnt showing in the list. what can i do to remedy? thanks :)
[07:31] <UTENTE> ok as kubuntu has even things to practice english whit :D
[07:32] <UTENTE> im getting dapper amd 64 iso let's hope it burns no problems like it usualy did
[07:33] <UTENTE> here is the best film on linux for me 58 min enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFHLIRSJv6w
[07:34] <Jucato> UTENTE: please keep posts within the topic, Kubuntu Support. thanks
[07:34] <UTENTE> a ok
[07:34] <UTENTE> u can't paste stuff on linux to?
[07:35] <Jasey> just kubuntu help
[07:35] <Jucato> you can. but if it's related to Kubuntu support
[07:35] <UTENTE> u have a chan related to linux to where i can spread info videos?
[07:35] <Jasey> that would more than likely annoy people
[07:36] <rittsel> Hi, trying to install Kubuntu on my laptop, tho i cant get passed the partitioning-step. I choose "Resize SCSI1 and use freed space". But it the app just works but the harddrive isnt and i have to restart the installation.. but i never get pass the step :/
[07:36] <UTENTE> mmm very strange first time i hear it
[07:37] <busterbrown123> first of all, your laptop is scsi?
[07:37] <rittsel> yes
[07:37] <busterbrown123> sata perhaps
[07:37] <rittsel> yes
[07:37] <rittsel> s
[07:37] <rittsel> sata* sorry
[07:37] <busterbrown123> it's ok
[07:37] <rittsel> but *nix always says scsi ;)
[07:37] <busterbrown123> they use the same drive names
[07:37] <rittsel> i just wanted to know if you've experienced the same? ^^
[07:37] <busterbrown123> yeah
[07:38] <rittsel> i'll just see if i can partition it manually :)
[07:38] <busterbrown123> I just installed kubuntu on this desktop
[07:38] <rittsel> k
[07:38] <busterbrown123> Nforce 4 Sata
[07:38] <busterbrown123> no issues reading the drives
[07:38] <rittsel> it can read it
[07:38] <rittsel> it's just.. bah
[07:38] <rittsel> what i think it tries to do is this:
[07:38] <busterbrown123> making partitions?
[07:39] <rittsel> i have 2 partitions right now, 1 win & 1 backup. It wants to resize the windows partition and use the freed space to install kubuntu on and have dual-boot
[07:39] <UTENTE> u advise me to use partion magic for the dubble partion kubuntu xp jucato?
[07:39] <rittsel> this is not wished for.. tho i need my backup-partition so.. manual it is :p
[07:39] <busterbrown123> yeah
[07:39] <busterbrown123> but you should be able to select the backup drive, then resize
[07:40] <Jucato> I don't use partition magic, sorry
[07:40] <rittsel> excuse me.. but wtf? Why isnt ReiserFS an option for partition type? :s
[07:40] <busterbrown123> ????
[07:40] <busterbrown123> dunno
[07:40] <Jasey> it should be
[07:40] <UTENTE> what u advise people for a dubble partion xp kubuntu?
[07:40] <rittsel> lmao
[07:40] <busterbrown123> ext3 never served me wrong
[07:40] <Jasey> but its a little hard to find it
[07:41] <rittsel> ext3, ext2, fat32, fat16, jfs, linux-swap, ntfs & xfs
[07:41] <rittsel> that's it :s
[07:41] <Jasey> weird :S
[07:41] <rittsel> yep
[07:41] <Jasey> their should be more than that, im sure
[07:41] <busterbrown123> I'd say let the installer resize your windows partition UTENTE
[07:41] <Jasey> just in some unusual and illogical place
[07:41] <rittsel> not in the drop-down box
[07:41] <noelvis> hello all
[07:41] <busterbrown123> you might have to cfdisk it
[07:41] <rittsel> why would they put it in another place then all the other types? .s
[07:41] <rittsel> doesnt make sense mate
[07:41] <rittsel> doh
[07:41] <UTENTE> here i have partion magic so if it does the game ill try that
[07:42] <Jasey> oh youre using the live cd...
[07:42] <busterbrown123> live cd rittsel?
[07:42] <UTENTE> im using the desktop version yes
[07:42] <noelvis> i'm looking for the scandisk alternative for kubuntu
[07:42] <busterbrown123> don't need it
[07:42] <rittsel> busterbrown123: yes
[07:42] <busterbrown123> est3 checks every 20 boots
[07:43] <busterbrown123> usually
[07:43] <rittsel> ?
[07:43] <busterbrown123> to noelvis
[07:43] <rittsel> what are you talking about now?
[07:43] <busterbrown123> sorry
[07:43] <Jasey> but if you really want to check, use fsck
[07:43] <busterbrown123> ext3 - sorry noelvis
[07:43] <rittsel> people >_< please start to hilight, you are talking to 2 different people i believe but i dont know who you are talking to and when >_< bah
[07:43] <busterbrown123> rittsel
[07:43] <rittsel> congratz
[07:43] <rittsel> yes?
[07:44] <rittsel> ^^
[07:44] <noelvis> thanks, i'm new at linux
[07:44] <rittsel> yes busterbrown123 ?
[07:44] <busterbrown123> you can try using cfdisk in a terminal window
[07:44] <busterbrown123> setup your partitions in advance using that
[07:44] <busterbrown123> then restart the install
[07:44] <noelvis> will do busterbrown123
[07:44] <rittsel> i'll try, what's the difference between cfdisk & fdisk? :s
[07:45] <rittsel> never heard of cfdisk
[07:45] <busterbrown123> cfdisk is the linux version of fdisk
[07:45] <busterbrown123> fdisk is dos
[07:45] <busterbrown123> or was anyway
[07:45] <rittsel> eh.. no?
[07:45] <rittsel> i'm using gentoo to all my servers and i partition them with fdisk in the gentoo-installation.
[07:45] <busterbrown123> ok
[07:46] <busterbrown123> my bad
[07:46] <rittsel> i know ther's a fdisk for DOS as well but that's another one
[07:46] <rittsel> ^^
[07:46] <Jasey> cfdisk has a UI, lovely
[07:46] <noelvis> will try cfdisk now - thanks all
[07:46] <rittsel> lmao ok
[07:46] <Jasey> well a pseudo one
[07:46] <busterbrown123> that's why I use it
[07:46] <rittsel> :p
[07:46] <busterbrown123> you still need to make the filesystems
[07:46] <rittsel> that's the difference then ^^
[07:46] <busterbrown123> it will partition
[07:46] <Jasey> noelvis: that thing will edit partitions. i thought you just wanted to scan?
[07:47] <rittsel> oh fuck off.. sorry guys but i only have read-access in cfdisk from the live-cd lol!
[07:47] <busterbrown123> haha
[07:47] <busterbrown123> nice
[07:47] <rittsel> nvm.. i'll just go with ext3 then >_<
[07:47] <rittsel> damn it ^^
[07:47] <busterbrown123> easy as pie
[07:47] <Jasey> lol, did you close ubiquity first
[07:47] <busterbrown123> ext3 is good
[07:47] <rittsel> reiserfs is better ;)
[07:47] <Jasey> ext3 is lovely for dual booting with windows. it is the fat32 of linux lol
[07:47] <busterbrown123> yeah yeah
[07:48] <rittsel> i wont use dual-boot so
[07:48] <busterbrown123> flexibility is not a crime
[07:48] <rittsel> havent said so either
[07:48] <Jasey> well i had ext3, had to reinstall kubuntu, now i have reiserfs... honestly i dont see any noticable difference
[07:48] <busterbrown123> last benchmarks I saw couldn't say any one *nix file system was best
[07:48] <rittsel> btw, fat32 of linux? That's not a good thing you know.. you think fat32 is better then ntfs? or did i just get you wrong? ^^
[07:49] <Jasey> no
[07:49] <busterbrown123> no
[07:49] <Jasey> i mean
[07:49] <rittsel> lol
[07:49] <Jasey> you cant properly write to ntfs on linux, as you cant write to reiserfs on windows
[07:49] <busterbrown123> just basic, simple, and compatible
[07:49] <rittsel> Compared to ext2 and ext3 in version 2.4 of the Linux kernel, when dealing with files under 4 KiB and with tail packing enabled, ReiserFS is often faster by a factor of 10.15.[citation needed]  This is of great benefit in Usenet news spools, HTTP caches, mail delivery systems and other applications where performance with small files is critical.
[07:49] <Jasey> but you CAN write to fat32 on linux as you CAN write to ext3 on windows
[07:49] <rittsel> ^^
[07:49] <Hikaru79> Jasey, yes.
[07:49] <Nameless-One> how do you write to ext3 on windows
[07:50] <Hikaru79> Jasey, FAT32 write support has existed in Linux/OSX for a long time.
[07:50] <Jasey> theres a driver for it on the web
[07:50] <busterbrown123> fat32 is the whore of file systems
[07:50] <rittsel> lol
[07:50] <busterbrown123> it gets around
[07:50] <Jasey> lol
[07:50] <Nameless-One> O.o
[07:50] <Jasey> yes, Hikaru79 :)
[07:50] <nxn> adept popped up an error window, i clicked okay and adept closed. when i reopen it it will not let me make any changes because something else is using the processes or something. what do i do to get controll of adept again????
[07:50] <Hikaru79> Nameless-One: http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ext2.html
[07:50] <Nameless-One> thx
[07:51] <Hikaru79> Jasey, oh, sorry. I read your statement as a question =(
[07:51] <Hikaru79> Jasey, my bad >_<
[07:51] <Jasey> easy nxn, in a Konsole, type sudo killall dpkg ... or sudo killall adept
[07:51] <Jasey> thats okay Hikaru79 lol
[07:51] <nxn> ty jasey
[07:51] <Jucato> !adpet crash fix | nxn
[07:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adpet crash fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:51] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | nxn
[07:51] <ubotu> nxn: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[07:52] <Hikaru79> Does there exist a good screencasting solution for KDE? (Other than mencoder?)
[07:52] <Jucato> Screenkast (not in our repos yet)
[07:53] <Hikaru79> Thanks, Jucato :) I'll try it out.
[07:53] <nxn> ty jucato and ubotu
[07:54] <noelvis> jasey you are correct, chdisk is dangerous
[07:54] <Hikaru79> http://instrudeo.bpower2.com/packages/Ubuntu/edgy/  <--- Not in the repos, but packages do exist specially for edgy, yay!
[07:54] <Jasey> noelvis: fsck is what you want
[07:54] <dbglt> ok, something keep altering my resolv.conf. I have no idea what is doing it, but it is getting rid of my nameservers, and I have to manually replace it
[07:54] <noelvis> thanks jasey
[07:54] <Jasey> noelvis: but you wont need to use it, kubuntu runs it automatically every 20 or so boots
[07:54] <dbglt> I tried making it read only
[07:54] <Jucato> just be careful in adding unofficial repos
[07:54] <dbglt> but it just overwrites it...
[07:56] <Jucato> dbglt: same problem here... haven't found a way to fix it :(
[07:57] <UTENTE> what does 6.10 of kubuntu have better then drapper?
[07:57] <Jasey> UTENTE:  6.10 is a lot less stable
[07:57] <UTENTE> i see that
[07:57] <UTENTE> that's why im putting dapper
[07:58] <rittsel> is 6.10 less stable? Why is that?
[07:58] <UTENTE> but don't know what it has new yet respect to dapper
[07:58] <Search4Lancer> I noticed when I finally got the upgrade to work and started up, both partitions of my external HD were already mounted... is that a new feature in Edgy, automatic mounting on startup?
[07:58] <Jasey> it was made to introduce new technologies, but since it had less time in development than dapper, they werent quite stabilised
[07:58] <Jucato> Edgy (6.10) is less stable because it introduces a lot of new stuff
[07:58] <Jasey> seems to be Search4Lancer, everyone has been talking about that. i think it is part of upstart.
[07:59] <rittsel> ok, but do you notice and see the unstableness? (spelling, lol) I mean, does things crash etc or is it just seen as unstable since there are new stuff?
[08:00] <Search4Lancer> only saves a few seconds, but spiffy nonetheless, Jasey
[08:00] <Jucato> instability? well, there are some, but not always.
[08:00] <noelvis> cheers all
[08:00] <nino> hi guys!!
[08:00] <Search4Lancer> it's a PITA to upgrade to, I know that much :-D
[08:00] <Jucato> ah yes. that's true
[08:00] <rittsel> Jucato: any examples? ^^
[08:00] <Jasey> it is a real pain to upgrade, but most packages have been stabilised
[08:00] <Jucato> upgrading is one :)
[08:01] <rittsel> lol ok
[08:01] <Jasey> theres a ton of broken packages everywhere
[08:01] <rittsel> well.. need to get ready, make some breakfast and take a shower.. school in 1h ^^
[08:01] <rittsel> broken packages? shit.. doesnt sound good :/
[08:01] <Search4Lancer> I still have 34 packages that want to upgrade, but then again don't want to upgrade
[08:01] <rittsel> :/
[08:01] <rittsel> well anyway.. i'll talk to you guys later :) See you
[08:01] <Jasey> not important ones
[08:02] <Jasey> just packages in universe and things
[08:02] <Jasey> bye bye rittsel
[08:02] <Search4Lancer> most of them are python packages
[08:03] <sephrys> joystick!
[08:03] <sephrys> gamepad
[08:03] <sephrys> linux
[08:03] <sephrys> artg
[08:03] <sephrys> gimme gimme
[08:03] <sephrys> hehe ive been looking at forums for hours to get my sidewinder gamepad to work
[08:03] <UTENTE> what im curius to know if kubuntu distros are less cured then ubuntu or it's the same?
[08:03] <sephrys> frusterated
[08:03] <Jasey> do you need to type with that many "enter" hits?
[08:04] <sephrys> Jasey, sorry
[08:04] <Jasey> UTENTE: kubuntu has the same amount of concentration as ubuntu
[08:04] <UTENTE> so what's unstable on a new realese will be for both ?
[08:04] <Jasey> sephrys: your gamepad should be detected on /dev/js0 ... if not, /dev/input/js0
[08:04] <UTENTE> like new ubuntu might be unstable to now
[08:04] <sephrys> its not
[08:05] <Jasey> make sure your games point to these
[08:05] <Jasey> oh
[08:05] <sephrys> Jasey, hows it auto detect?
[08:05] <sephrys> cuz it doesn't
[08:05] <UTENTE> as they got same packets
[08:06] <Jasey> UTENTE: yes, they share the same repositories. so the they will not be stable on one, and unstable on another.
[08:06] <sephrys> how do i get it working
[08:06] <UTENTE> i could guess that
[08:06] <Jasey> sephrys: sorry, im not an expert on this subject
[08:06] <UTENTE> jasey do u know if mercury the msn close has mic to couse amsn has only webcam
[08:07] <UTENTE> clone*
[08:07] <UTENTE> im looking for a linux msn clone that has mic to not just cam
[08:07] <james_> hello all i have a question
[08:07] <Jasey> i think it does. im not sure how well it works. i dont know if mercury is in our repositories either.
[08:07] <Jasey> okay james, ask away
[08:07] <nxn> how do i get wine to work??
[08:08] <UTENTE> ok maby i could use skyper for audio ad amsn to see
[08:08] <Jasey> sephrys: it may be unsupported hardware. have a look on the web to check.
[08:08] <Jasey> nxn: have you installed wine
[08:08] <sephrys> its not ive been looking for hours
[08:08] <UTENTE> but i don't think it will that long that amsn will integrate mic to
[08:08] <Jasey> if its not supported, it wont work :P
[08:08] <james_> hello jasey i am running amarok  when i close it should appear in the task bar but it just disappears ... how come???
[08:09] <UTENTE> respect to rpm how many packets u got in the repository jasey?
[08:09] <Jasey> james, right click the icon and pick Exit
[08:09] <UTENTE> rpm comes whit basic 1600 packets
[08:09] <james_> what icon?
[08:09] <Jasey> it is a little wolf inside a circle, james_
[08:09] <james_> there is no icon hence the problem
[08:09] <UTENTE> repositories*
[08:10] <Jasey> UTENTE: i think our deb repository is the second largest of all, second to debian
[08:10] <Jasey> oh, james_ :S
[08:10] <Jasey> let me check, im running amarok right now
[08:10] <james_> so what now
[08:10] <james_> amarok is running but no icon
[08:10] <UTENTE> i see so debian is n1 even over fedora and rpm based distros diden't know that ?
[08:10] <Jasey> can you bring amarok up please
[08:11] <james_> i can run it from the run dialog is that what you mean?
[08:11] <UTENTE> btw rpm are instable and buggy so don't like rpm based distros much
[08:11] <james_> so now it is up now what
[08:11] <james_> it is running
[08:11] <nxn> jasey - yes
[08:11] <Jasey> go to Settings > Configure Amarok
[08:12] <UTENTE> id say debian is the best for servers
[08:12] <james_> ok
[08:12] <UTENTE> kubuntu for desk
[08:12] <nxn> jasey - i cant find it in the k-menu
[08:12] <Jasey> go to General and see if there is a check next to Show Tray Icon
[08:12] <Jasey> its not in the k menu nxn
[08:12] <Jasey> nxn, you run it in a Konsole window
[08:12] <james_> yes it is checked
[08:12] <Jasey> in a konsole window, type wine program.exe ... replace program.exe with the actual program's file name
[08:13] <Jucato> (of course, go to the directory where the .exe is located first)
[08:13] <Jasey> of course
[08:13] <UTENTE> u know a debian clone called lesbian jasey?
[08:13] <james_> jasey are you talking to me
[08:13] <nxn> cool ty guys
[08:13] <james_> ??
[08:13] <Jasey> UTENTE: stick to kubuntu in here
[08:13] <Jasey> james_: no
[08:13] <UTENTE> OK
[08:14] <Jasey> james_: did you have a look at the configuration as i indicated earlier? Settings > Configure Amarok > General > Show tray icon
[08:14] <james_> so it is current clicked to show icon but no icon weird huh?
[08:14] <Jasey> very weird
[08:14] <UTENTE> ok few min and i can make the boot iso of kubuntu amd 64
[08:14] <Jasey> and other icons appear in the system tray alright?
[08:14] <Jasey> very good, UTENTE :)
[08:15] <UTENTE> just hope will not give error when the cd is done like the 6.10
[08:15] <james_> like what perhaps a test of another program
[08:15] <Jasey> kopete, for example
[08:15] <UTENTE> sadely the 6.10 cd amd 64 is buggy when u burn it boot iso afther the cd is done on the verify gives u an error and no way to remove it
[08:16] <UTENTE> tryied whit the best cd's and programs like nero and imgburn
[08:16] <Jucato> UTENTE: don't burn it as a bootable CD. burn it as a CD image
[08:16] <UTENTE> i did
[08:16] <UTENTE> whit nero and imgburn
[08:16] <Jasey> may have not downloaded properly
[08:17] <james_> right now amarok is playing but no icon either in the system tray or the corner??
[08:17] <UTENTE> btw the best is to wait whit dapper they fix 6.10 the apt -get updated
[08:17] <Jasey> i know james_
[08:17] <Jucato> UTENTE: this might help you. just replace Ubuntu with Kubuntu http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/iso
[08:17] <Jucato> !download
[08:17] <ubotu> Kubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from here: http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[08:17] <Jasey> james_: open kopete. does the kopete logo appear on the bar down the bottom on the right?
[08:17] <Jasey> i have this odd feeling the System Tray applet is missing, but i just want to make sure
[08:18] <Jucato> james_: you should see some other small icons like the kmix icon, klipper (clipboard)
[08:18] <UTENTE> do u know when linux iso .org will be back on?
[08:18] <UTENTE> site is down since a while
[08:19] <Jucato> UTENTE: download the images straight from the distribution's web page. it's more reliable
[08:19] <Jasey> thats out of the scope of a kubuntu help channel lol
[08:19] <Jucato> anyway, gtg :)
[08:19] <Jasey> bye bye jucato :)
[08:19] <UTENTE> yes better but was cool to try other distros to
[08:20] <UTENTE> i all ways like to try em even if i stick to kubuntu
[08:20] <Jasey> the differences are usually just how the default desktop is set up :P
[08:20] <UTENTE> are u here later jasey?
[08:20] <Jucato> UTENTE: other distros will have their own download page, which are more updated and have more instructions than linuxiso.org
[08:20] <Jasey> and what programs are installed by default etc
[08:20] <james_> there is no kmix icon now what ??
[08:20] <Jasey> ahh james_
[08:21] <Jasey> james_: you are missing the System Tray kicker applet
[08:21] <UTENTE> are u both here later jasey jucato?
[08:21] <Jasey> james_: to add this, right click an empty space on the bottom bar
[08:21] <Jasey> yes UTENTE
[08:21] <Jucato> probably
[08:21] <james_> ok
[08:21] <Jasey> james_: (continuing) then click Add Applet
[08:21] <Jucato> so it was a missing system tray :P
[08:21] <Jasey> to Panel
[08:21] <UTENTE> i have to got to school now 8.21 am in roma but this afthernoon i nead help to make my dubble partion whit xp so i can have kubuntu 2 in 1
[08:21] <Jasey> james_: in the list that appears, find the System Tray applet, and click Add :)
[08:21] <UTENTE> can u help me whit that?
[08:22] <Jasey> the kubuntu desktop cd can do that for you, UTENTE
[08:22] <james_> solved
[08:22] <Jasey> is the icon there now james_?
[08:22] <UTENTE> well i nead a guide couse alone im not very good if that's ok
[08:22] <james_> why was my task bar disappearing
[08:22] <UTENTE> i use partion magic
[08:22] <james_> separate issue
[08:22] <james_> yes
[08:22] <Jasey> i dont use partition magic
[08:23] <james_> it is now working
[08:23] <Jasey> james_: right click the taskbar, choose Configure Panel
[08:23] <james_> ok
[08:23] <Jasey> james_: and in Hiding, make sure no hiding options are enabled
[08:23] <UTENTE> well how can u guide me if i must do it from the boot whit kubuntu live ?
[08:23] <UTENTE> that's a big problem
[08:23] <Jasey> lol
[08:23] <Jasey> ill try and help you do it in partition magic then
[08:24] <UTENTE> thanx
[08:24] <Jasey> if i am still awake
[08:24] <rittsel> just a question.. is Kubuntu reeeaaalllyyy slow on boot for everyone? It's a good laptop.. and holy hell what a boot-time.. and not even verbose :(
[08:24] <UTENTE> ill wait tonight if u not here what time is it there?
[08:24] <UTENTE> so i can calculate
[08:24] <james_> only hide when a panel-hiding button is clicked
[08:24] <Jasey> rittsel: by default, just about every service you will ever need is enabled. even ones you might not want. they can be removed in System Settings or kcontrol
[08:25] <Jasey> james_: oh, okay, thats fine
[08:25] <james_> how do simply add kcontrol to kmenu
[08:25] <james_> ??
[08:25] <UTENTE> btw it's simple to dubble partion they said just have to 2 some right moves
[08:25] <UTENTE> do*
[08:25] <eilker> ritsel: mine is slow too
[08:25] <Jasey> right click somewhere on the k menu, pick Edit menu
[08:26] <Jasey> and you can add it where you want it, james_ :-)
[08:26] <james_> ok
[08:26] <james_> do i have to pick an icon for it etc.
[08:26] <Jasey> if you want to, or you can leave it blank. but a piece of paper for an icon looks rather stupid
[08:27] <Jasey> the most important part is the Name and the Command
[08:27] <rittsel> Jasey: ok.. but it's not that boot-screen.. i mean when it loads modules and shit like that.. can you really decide stuff like that in kcontrol as well? :p I'll just compile my own kernel later today ^^
[08:27] <UTENTE> ok iso i ready i put the empty cd then click on the iso imgburn loads 4 x then burn right?
[08:27] <Jasey> oh, possibly can edit the init scripts and blah blah blah i dont know lol
[08:28] <james_> ok thought there might be a short-cut while you are here quick question when partioning a drive to get it ready for kubuntu do you need 3 partions?
[08:28] <Jasey> UTENTE: yes. go for it :D
[08:28] <Jasey> UTENTE: are you italian, by chance?
[08:28] <UTENTE> let's hope well but usualy dapper diden't have errors
[08:28] <UTENTE> yes rome
[08:28] <james_> one for swap one for home  and one for /
[08:28] <rittsel> Jasey: yeh.. since it really took 2 mins to boot after grub.. and that's just wrong :s
[08:28] <UTENTE> where u from jasey?
[08:28] <seishinbyou> VMWare, now running Ubuntu on Kubuntu
[08:28] <Jasey> may i suggest going to the help channel #ubuntu-it
[08:28] <UTENTE> i like usa uk chans
[08:29] <Jucato> lol
[08:29] <Jasey> okay, just thought it might be better to speak your own language :P
[08:29] <Jasey> or easier, rather
[08:29] <Jucato> sorry, that lol was for seishinbyou
[08:29] <Jasey> lol
[08:29] <flaccid> going sick on this new lcd jucato
[08:29] <UTENTE> i just must rember grammar im motherlanguage grew up in london from 5 to 11 ahah
[08:29] <seishinbyou> I figured. :)  (I have a development environment for one project and needed to set up another without disturbing the first)
[08:30] <Jucato> flaccid: why? what's wrong?
[08:30] <james_> hello jasey quick question see above can you help?
[08:30] <flaccid> sick as in mad as in good :)
[08:30] <Jasey> okay
[08:30] <flaccid> its very good and high contrast ratio
[08:30] <Jasey> yes james_
[08:30] <Jasey> james_: well, sorry, just two
[08:30] <flaccid> never thought i would be using kubuntu at work on a hi-spec machine
[08:30] <UTENTE> 2 cd left so imgburn don't fail
[08:30] <Jasey> james_: one for the root /, and one for swap
[08:31] <Jucato> aah.hehhe
[08:31] <james_> ok any idea why ? because in knoppix god forgive you only need the main partion and a swap area
[08:31] <UTENTE> as im amd 3000 i took amd 64 version desktop of dapper
[08:31] <Jasey> james_: sorry, i meant two. lol.
[08:31] <Jasey> james_: if you want to have a seperate home partition, you can. although that is kind of pointless if you only have one hard disk.
[08:32] <james_> i just installed pclinuxos and it was amazingly easy but it required 3 partions
[08:32] <Jasey> thats strange
[08:33] <UTENTE> jasey read pm i got a thing to ask u if u there
[08:33] <busterbrown123> one for boot, one for root, and one for swap?
[08:33] <Jasey> well kubuntu only needs two, the root /, and a swap area. i dont know why /home would want its own partition
[08:33] <james_> ok if one is to format a disk to run kubuntu and winxp how would you proceed install winxp first then kbuntu then how to configure grub?
[08:33] <busterbrown123> james
[08:33] <james_> yes
[08:33] <Jasey> UTENTE: you arent registered with nickserv, so i did not get your PM
[08:33] <busterbrown123> yeah
[08:33] <seishinbyou> I thought the 3rd was for /home
[08:33] <UTENTE> a ok
[08:33] <seishinbyou> re: PCLinux
[08:33] <UTENTE> ill register how u do that?
[08:33] <Jasey> james_: install xp, install kubuntu. grub will add xp to the grub list. easy
[08:33] <james_> one is for swap one is for /home and one is for /
[08:34] <Jucato> I don't recall being required to make 3 partitions to install PC Linux OS
[08:34] <Jasey> thats rather dumb having /home on its own partition, seeing as no matter what its still /home, lol
[08:34] <seishinbyou> You don't have to, I don't *think* (I installed on a VMWare image)
[08:34] <busterbrown123> james_: when you install xp, you might want to set up half the drive as free space
[08:34] <UTENTE> im reg solved thanx
[08:34] <james_> so create three partitions fat , ext3 and swap , yes???
[08:35] <Jasey> no
[08:35] <Jasey> you cant do that in windows lol
[08:35] <Jucato> I installed PCLOS once, on one partition
[08:35] <Jasey> or the windows installer, sorry
[08:35] <james_> so when it writes grub wont it overwrite the mbr ??
[08:35] <Jasey> james_: in the windows installer, it will tell you the amount of space on your hard disk in total. divide that by two.
[08:35] <busterbrown123> yes
[08:36] <james_> wo will grub still be able to load windows or not?
[08:36] <Jucato> Jasey: having /home on it's own (separate) partition isn't dumb. it's wise
[08:36] <busterbrown123> james:the mbr is easy to repair later if need be
[08:36] <busterbrown123> yes
[08:36] <james_> do i need to
[08:36] <james_> ??
[08:36] <Jasey> probably not
[08:36] <james_> good thanks for the help
[08:36] <busterbrown123> it should autodetect windows during the kubuntu install
[08:36] <james_> koolness
[08:37] <Jasey> yeah
[08:37] <busterbrown123>  /boot/grub/menu.lst is the boot menu file
[08:37] <james_> kubuntu is cool and i recommend pclinuxos for fun
[08:37] <james_> yea thanks
[08:37] <busterbrown123> if Windows isn't detected, there's an example in the file you can use
[08:38] <james_> its hardware detection and set up is magic
[08:38] <Jasey> the debian installer is a fantastic bit of overlooked software, and ubiquity with it
[08:38] <james_> but it is lacking in some ways that kubuntu picks up
[08:38] <james_> ok well c u later
[08:38] <Jasey> bye bye james_
[08:39] <busterbrown123> bye
[08:39] <Jasey> you know, i came here with a problem, and i still dont have an answer lol
[08:39] <busterbrown123> what problem jasey
[08:39] <busterbrown123> ?
[08:39] <Jasey> superkaramba thinks a widget is installed. but it isnt listed in its list. how do i remedy this lol
[08:39] <busterbrown123> compiz has been my problem
[08:39] <busterbrown123> out of my league buddy
[08:40] <busterbrown123> widgets are bad news in my book
[08:40] <Jasey> lol
[08:40] <UTENTE> ok to register my nick i have to write register nick then pass?
[08:40] <Momal> Is it possible to change the character encoding per channel in konversation ?
[08:40] <Jasey> and then
[08:40] <busterbrown123> I would say look for a config file in your home directory
[08:40] <UTENTE> thanx
[08:41] <Jasey> i tried, i even purged superkaramba and put it back... but it didnt do anything lol
[08:41] <busterbrown123> or in /usr/share/apps/
[08:41] <Jasey> busterbrown123: i heard widgets are going to be integral to kde 4. prepare to cry lol.
[08:41] <busterbrown123> ahhhhhhhhhh!!
[08:41] <Jasey> i wouldnt think its in there, i didnt run superkaramba as root/sudo
[08:41] <busterbrown123> but kwin will have compositing abilities
[08:42] <Jasey> lol the compositing abilities it has now are kind of ... poo
[08:42] <busterbrown123> I mean ones that work
[08:42] <teledyn_> test
[08:42] <busterbrown123> and that are hardware based
[08:42] <busterbrown123> XGL all the way
[08:43] <Jasey> lol
[08:43] <busterbrown123> so firefox dies when I try to customize my toolbar
[08:44] <Jasey> i havent had that problem =\
[08:44] <busterbrown123> segmentation fault
[08:44] <teledyn_> strace it
[08:44] <busterbrown123> how?
[08:45] <busterbrown123> strace firefox?
[08:45] <teledyn_> strace -s 128 -o /tmp/strace.out -f /usr/bin/mozilla
[08:45] <Jasey> lol
[08:45] <UTENTE> ok im going to school see u later jasey for the dubble partion hoping the live works
[08:45] <UTENTE> later all
[08:45] <Jasey> well im out, catchyas
[08:46] <teledyn_> not sure what the executable is named though
[08:46] <max_> salut pouriez vous me donnez le lien pour le salon en francais merci
[08:46] <seishinbyou> Is there a real, practical point to "Kibadock"?  At all?
[08:47] <seishinbyou> Voulez vous la finetre?
[08:47] <busterbrown123> je suit desolet
[08:47] <busterbrown123> that's all the french I know
[08:47] <teledyn_> "Are you a window?"  is that what that says???
[08:48] <seishinbyou> Would you like the window, I think
[08:48] <yamal> he wants to know the frenchie chan
[08:48] <teledyn_> still sounds surreal to me.  those french surrealists...
[08:48] <yamal> !fr
[08:48] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:49] <seishinbyou> !ja
[08:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ja - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:49] <seishinbyou> !jp
[08:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:49] <seishinbyou> darn
[08:49] <teledyn_> wow i'd love to see ubotu spit out a factoid in hiragana
[08:49] <max_> thank you
[08:49] <max_> bye
[08:50] <seishinbyou> 
[08:50] <teledyn_> that looks so cool
[08:51] <seishinbyou> How would I register a message pointing people to #kubuntu-ja when they type !ja
[08:51] <teledyn_> there's a web page somewhere that explains the factoids and ubotu
[08:52] <seishinbyou> Heh, something to do a bit later
[08:52] <seishinbyou> Not that there is anyone *in* #kubuntu-ja at all anyways
[08:52] <teledyn_> http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:54] <seishinbyou> Okay, that helps, thanks
[08:54] <kraut> moin
[08:54] <teledyn_>    /msg ubotu factoid
[08:55] <teledyn_> has a link about how to use it
[08:55] <teledyn_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:55] <Electrolyte> Ok, soon enough I'm going to switch to Ubuntu - i'm sick of these bugs in Kubuntu Edgy :/
[08:59] <Schalken> is there an nvidia driver that will allow compiz to run under AIGLX yet?
[09:02] <seishinbyou> Hmm, well I tried programming the bots for ja...I guess the ops have to approve it
[09:02] <Jucato> huh?
[09:02] <seishinbyou> !ja
[09:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ja - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:03] <Jucato> what's it supposed to be?
[09:03] <seishinbyou> #ubuntu-ja#kubuntu-ja
[09:03] <Jucato> !ja
[09:03] <ubotu> #ubuntu-ja#kubuntu-ja
[09:04] <Jucato> er.. seishinbyou, isn't it supposed to be -jp?
[09:04] <seishinbyou> Err...
[09:04] <seishinbyou> now that you mention it...
[09:04] <Momal> Is it possible to change the character encoding per channel in konversation ?.. or more important how can you change it at all ?
[09:04] <Jucato> seishinbyou: what's the language code for Japanese?
[09:04] <Jucato> Momal: right-click on the channel name?
[09:05] <Jucato> japanese?
[09:05] <seishinbyou> I believe I am using UTF-8 at the moment, though most apps here default to SJIS
[09:05] <seishinbyou> ja_JP
[09:05] <Jucato> seishinbyou: I mean, for example, Spanish is -es, Portugese is -pt
[09:05] <Jucato> Tagalog (Philippines) is -tl but we use -ph...
[09:06] <Jucato> seishinbyou: so it should be #kubuntu-jp I guess?
[09:06] <Momal> you might want to link it to !ja and !jp since some people type it one way and the other
[09:06] <seishinbyou> should be jp, but I'm googling out of curiousity
[09:07] <Jucato> !jp
[09:07] <ubotu>  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp 
[09:07] <Momal> erro thanks Jucato :p
[09:07] <Jucato> seishinbyou: what does that translate to, btw?
[09:07] <seishinbyou> For Japanese, refer to #ubuntu-jp or #kubuntu-jp
[09:07] <seishinbyou> with a hint of please
[09:08] <Jucato> kudesai? onegai?
[09:08] <Jucato> :)
[09:08] <seishinbyou> kudasai (at the end)
[09:08] <Jucato> oh kudasai.. typo hehehe
[09:08] <Jucato> um no spaces?
[09:08] <seishinbyou> hm, apt-get reports all Japanese packages ending with ja
[09:08] <seishinbyou> language-pack-gnome-ja for example
[09:08] <seishinbyou> not that I'd use that anyways
[09:09] <Jucato> so it must be -jp
[09:09] <seishinbyou> mozilla-firefox-locale-ja-jp <- good name
[09:10] <Momal> lol.. yea
[09:10] <Momal> just saw that :p
[09:10] <seishinbyou> It's great bringing over foreign programmers and introducing them to double-byte character sets.  A whole new world of possibility for errors :)
[09:10] <Jucato> well, in any case
[09:10] <Jucato> !ja | seishinbyou
[09:10] <ubotu> seishinbyou:  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp 
[09:11] <seishinbyou> hooray for me.  ubotu loves me
[09:11] <Jucato> !jp | seishinbyou
[09:11] <Jucato> grr... :P
[09:11] <Jucato> !jp | seishinbyou
[09:11] <Jucato> ah delay krap...
[09:11] <Jucato> anyway, I'm trusting your Japanese expertise here, seishinbyou
[09:11] <seishinbyou> Well, I'm not advertising any dating sites
[09:12] <Jucato> you better not be :P
[09:12] <Momal> Jucato: Just paste it in #japanese or #nihongo if you want another verification :p
[09:14] <seishinbyou> Hmm, is Wine 0.9.25 still broken in Edgy?
[09:15] <Momal> why does bablefish make things sound like its from an old english book lol
[09:15] <seishinbyou> Because Babelfish is for comedic purposes
[09:15] <seishinbyou> rikai.com is better...slightly
[09:15] <Momal> hehe
[09:16] <Jucato> at least Babelfish confirms that text :P
[09:16] <bitchslapper> I just installed the ATI prop. drivers and it was showing those in my vendor string ... no I install beryl .. and its back to mesa3d ... what's going on? how do I restore my drivers?
[09:17] <seishinbyou> The honourable Babelfish is the bequeath of the correcting Japanese texts
[09:17] <bitchslapper> and it can't do direct rendering
[09:17] <bitchslapper> wtf
[09:20] <bitchslapper> probably need a restart or something ...
[09:26] <Jasey> hi there. is there a way to specify a different window decoration for certain apps? thanks lol...
[09:26] <Jasey> oh nvm got answer heh
[09:33] <_deb_> hi * . I have installed a Edgy 6.10 on my laptop. But it seems that multiple panel configuration is missing in the kicker for kde 3.5.5 what is shipped with edgy 6.10. Anyone faced the same problem ?
[09:35] <Jasey> what is that, _deb_ ? explain that lol
[09:36] <Jasey> alrighty then, dont explain it
[09:41] <Momal> lol
[09:41] <Jucato> O_o
[09:42] <Momal> Channel seems quiet at the moment : O
[09:42] <Jucato> ssshh! let me sleep :P
[09:42] <seishinbyou> I could dance if you want
[09:43] <Jasey> i love this channel. rare occasions where off topic chat is acceptable. and ubotu isnt warning you silly. its great. now dance!!
[09:43] <Jucato> !topic
[09:43] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[09:43] <Momal> Do you have a webcam or something?.. or maybe you could dance with some ascii art? :p
[09:44] <Jucato> !offtopic
[09:44] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:44] <Jucato> :P
[09:44] <Momal> lol smartass :p...
[09:44] <Momal> !language
[09:44] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:45] <seishinbyou> Friendly to whose family, though?  The Manson family?
[09:45] <Jucato> the Simpsons of course
[09:46] <Jucato> hm...
[09:46] <Jucato> oh nvm then
[09:46] <Momal> lol
[09:46] <seishinbyou> I've seen the earlier seasons, though
[09:46] <Jucato> hi hi puffy ami yumi go!
[09:46] <Japsu> I have WPA manually configured in Kubuntu Edgy and it's working, but because I work in several WLAN networks, I'd like to do the configuration and profile switching graphically. I installed KNetworkManager, but it's saying "No network device found" even though this laptop has two working network interfaces (gigabit ethernet and ipw3945 wlan)
[09:47] <Japsu> Any idea on how to make the network manager work? I haven't rebooted after installing it, but I logged out and back in, and I can see NetworkManager and NetworkManagerDispatcher in the process list
[09:48] <snpz_> Japsu
[09:48] <snpz_> lspci
[09:48] <snpz_> does kernel recognize  your wifi card?
[09:48] <Japsu> 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82573L Gigabit Ethernet Controller
[09:48] <Japsu> 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[09:48] <Japsu> snpz_: yes, and they both work
[09:49] <snpz_> Japsu, nice
[09:49] <snpz_> well
[09:49] <Japsu> snpz_: as I said, I have everything working through manual configuration
[09:49] <snpz_> lsmod
[09:49] <Japsu> but network manager does not work
[09:49] <snpz_> knetworkmanager
[09:49] <snpz_> ?
[09:49] <Japsu> yes
[09:49] <snpz_> strange
[09:49] <Japsu> the network devices work, knetworkmanager does not
[09:49] <snpz_> is there any error message?
[09:49] <Japsu> where?
[09:49] <Japsu> knetworkmanager's popup menu just says "No network device found"
[09:49] <Japsu> hmm, checking daemon.log
[09:50] <snpz_> ehmm
[09:51] <Japsu> hmm
[09:51] <snpz_> so is teher something interesting in this log?
[09:51] <Japsu> well
[09:51] <snpz_> there
[09:51] <e1mer> !ubuntu
[09:51] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[09:51] <Japsu> My laptop has a button that activates or deactivates both wlan and bluetooth
[09:52] <snpz_> so
[09:52] <snpz_> mine also
[09:52] <Japsu> they are currently activated and things work through manual configuration, but hmm
[09:52] <Japsu> when I deactivate them and activate them again, network manager _does_ show lines in daemon.log
[09:52] <Japsu> BUT they're about the bluetooth controller, not wlan
[09:53] <Japsu> that is, they all are USB stuff whereas the WLAN controller is a minipci one
[09:55] <Japsu> I've also noticed a possible bug in the network scripts. In /etc/network/interfaces I have "iface eth1 inet dhcp; wireless-essid MYESSID; wpa-driver wext; wpa-conf /path/to/my_wpa.conf" and when I do "ifup eth1", dhclient starts before the WPA negotiation is complete
[09:56] <Japsu> this causes unnecessary delays in the connection process, because the dhclient makes a few unsuccessfull tries before actually getting an IP address
[10:12] <sephrys> wow beryl is a waste of resources
[10:16] <Japsu> sephrys: agreed
[10:16] <sephrys> haha
[10:16] <sephrys> its cool though
[10:17] <Japsu> snpz_: okay I got it working by removing all interfaces except lo from /etc/network/interfaces
[10:17] <sephrys> and it messes up wine
[10:17] <sephrys> when it takes full screen
[10:26] <freewill> i can't get eclipse to run on edgy 32bit I tried downloading sun java gcj ... lots of other libs but it still wounldn't this is what i get when i type it in the console "eclipse ->searching for compatible vm...  testing /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj...found -> kdialog: Unknown option '--warning'.->kdialog: Use --help to get a list of available command line options.
[10:28] <gnomefreak> freewill: install sun-java5-plugin
[10:30] <freewill> gnomefreakm kk
[10:33] <freewill> gnomefreakm its still telling me the same thing :(
[10:33] <gnomefreak> freewill: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[10:33] <freewill> sorry * gnomefreak
[10:33] <gnomefreak> freewill: choose the number of the one you just installed
[10:33] <gnomefreak> restart eclipse
[10:34] <Jucato> er.. gnomefreak...
[10:35] <Jucato> you just told him to install java plugins, not JRE...
[10:35] <freewill> gnomefreak got 2 probs 1) eclipse never ran so i can't restart it 2) i tried all of the 4 they let me choose from
[10:36] <freewill> Jucato, i have jre installed
[10:36] <Jucato> sun-java5-jre?
[10:36] <freewill> Jucato, well i installed sun-java5-bin and sun-java5-jre is a dep for sun-java5-bin so yes
[10:37] <Jucato> and you can't run eclipse at all? it seems from the error that Konsole is spitting out, you have gcj selected as the defaul java
[10:38] <freewill> i tried gcj, kaffe, sun, wrapper whatver (kaffe, wrapper is )
[10:39] <Jucato> try the sun java one.what errors do you get?
[10:39] <Jucato> java error or kdialog error?
[10:39] <freewill> the same as yes..
[10:40] <freewill> kdialog
[10:40] <Jucato> it's not a java problem then...
[10:40] <Jucato> hmm...
[10:41] <freewill> btw i ran eclipse on dapper with gcj but when i ran apps of eclipse I ran them in sun so i would prefer that i can run eclipse in sun..
[10:43] <freewill> and when i downloaded eclipse on dapper it downloade a lot more dependencies..
[10:47] <alexicon> !amarok
[10:47] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.4 for Edgy and packages are available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org
[11:06] <djosa> hello
[11:07] <djosa> hio.............
[11:07] <Admiral_Chicago> helle
[11:10] <djosa> you can talk to me?
[11:13] <Admiral_Chicago> sure whats up
[11:14] <Jucato> !xgl | eilker
[11:14] <ubotu> eilker: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:15] <eilker> jucato: thanx man:)
[11:18] <eilker> people i have on bard video car and 512 mb ram, may i try for xgl ?
[11:18] <eilker> people i have onboard video card and 512 mb ram, may i try for xgl ?
[11:18] <Jucato> your video card needs to have 3d hardware acceleration
[11:19] <Jucato> and the Linux driver for your video card should be able to use it
[11:19] <eilker> jucato: how could i check 3d harware acceletaration ability ? i810 here...
[11:20] <Jucato> not really sure with intel cards...
[11:21] <Admiral_Chicago> eilker: check out AIGLX i think that works with intel
[11:21] <zcript> hello
[11:21] <zcript> how are u all
[11:21] <zcript>  doing
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> we are well
[11:22] <Jucato> we are the borg
[11:22] <eilker> !AIGLX
[11:22] <ubotu> AIGLX (Accelerated Indirect GLX) is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Head to #ubuntu-xgl for support.
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: what time is it over there
[11:23] <Jucato> almost 6:30pm
[11:23] <Jucato> you're up early
[11:23] <Admiral_Chicago> it's almost 5.30 AM here,
[11:23] <Admiral_Chicago> i never sleep man
[11:23] <Jucato> heheeh
[11:23] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: are you on EST?
[11:23] <Admiral_Chicago> CST iirc
[11:24] <Jucato> hm.. my KDE clock says it's almost 4:30 am in Chicago
[11:24] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i'm CST
[11:25] <Jucato> hm.... my clock is wrong?
[11:26] <Admiral_Chicago> no but chicago is CST not EST, that is one time zone over +1 hour
[11:27] <GnarusLeo> wich movie player is ok to use and is best looking?
[11:27] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: yeah. my KDE clock says it's 4:27am in CST, and 5:27am in New York
[11:27] <Admiral_Chicago> yu. that's true
[11:28] <Jucato> is CUPS the only thing I need to be able to print? what package do I install? cupsys?
[11:29] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: i think so
[11:29] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't do printing
[11:29] <Jucato> ok thanks. :)
[11:30] <Jucato> neither do I. so i don't have it installed. but I'm gonna have a printer tomorrow, so I wanna try it out
[11:32] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: HP?
[11:33] <Jucato> yeah. I forgot the model, though.
[11:33] <Admiral_Chicago> HP has the best support for *nix
[11:33] <Jucato> it's our "family" printer, but my sister had it in her apartment for almost a year. she's bringing it home
[11:33] <Jucato> (although I'm more interested in setting up the scanner that it has..)
[11:33] <Admiral_Chicago> oh that may be tricky
[11:34] <Jucato> yeah... :(
[11:34] <Jucato> what's trickier is finding space for that baby on my desk :P
[11:35] <hades> Sorry, what type of packgage i need to compile new software like freeciv2-1-0beta2 or other games... i cant make just ./conifigure make make install the system says i dont have gcc but i have two versions please help
[11:35] <hades> ?
[11:35] <Jucato> build-essential
[11:35] <Jucato> !build-essential | hades
[11:35] <ubotu> hades: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[11:36] <hades> Jucato: thx a lot
[11:37] <ziosam78> Hi, i'm italian, where is the kubuntu it channel? i  can't find it
[11:37] <Admiral_Chicago> !it
[11:37] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:37] <Jucato> darn beat me
[11:37] <ziosam78> tks ubotu
[11:37] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm compiling gaim from source now
[11:37] <Admiral_Chicago> it's a pain
[11:37] <Jucato> ah the new GAIM?
[11:38] <Admiral_Chicago> yea the beta 5
[11:38] <Jucato> ah
[11:39] <Jucato> er.. Ubuntu Packaging Guide
[11:41] <eilker> jucato: my video card is supported, but it has some notes as, DRI ok. scrolling is slow, workspace transitioning is choppy. eats CPU cycles. do u suggest me install xgl?
[11:42] <Jucato> I'm not really sure. you best ask in #ubuntu-xgl
[11:42] <eilker> jucato: thanx friend
[11:42] <kent_> anyone here know how to compile amarok with playforesure support?
[11:43] <eilker> jucato: ubuntu-xgl is dead city:D
[11:45] <eilker> after installing xgl, if i decided to remove it, will i have any trouble with *.conf files ? any experience pls ?
[11:45] <Admiral_Chicago> eilker: no idea, i want to remove it but don't want to hose the install so i'm keeping it
[11:45] <eilker> Admiral_Chicago: is it fantastick ?
[11:46] <SlimG> where is the kwallet file stored?
[11:46] <Admiral_Chicago> not really i think it's a lot of hype
[11:46] <Admiral_Chicago> SlimG: ~/.kde/kwalletmanager i believe
[11:46] <eilker> Admiral_Chicago: i se
[11:46] <eilker> Admiral_Chicago: i see
[11:47] <Jucato> SlimG: ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet
[11:47] <SlimG> Admiral_Chicago: is this what i'm looking for?: ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl
[11:47] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: how can i delete a directory from CLI
[11:48] <Admiral_Chicago> SlimG: maybe, what do you want to do?
[11:48] <Jucato> rmdir <directory>?
[11:48] <Jucato> I'm not sure how to do it if the directory isn't empty
[11:49] <SlimG> Admiral_Chicago: i've got an old backup that contain logins i cant remeber
[11:51] <SlimG> i'm trying to shutdown kwalletmanager and replacing the kdewallet.kwl, but when starting kwalletmanager again it's no different.. any ideas?
[11:52] <eilker> after installing xgl, if i decided to remove it, will i have any trouble with *.conf files ? any experience pls ?
[11:52] <Admiral_Chicago> someone once suggested to me that i just delete the directory and it'll be recreated when kwallet ran but i have no idea
[11:52] <Admiral_Chicago> don't quote me on that one
[11:53] <Jucato> [quote=Admiral_Chicago] someone once suggested to me that i just delete the directory and it'll be recreated when kwallet ran but i have no idea[/quote] 
[11:53] <SlimG> hehe
[11:53] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: i hate youe :P
[11:53] <Jucato> :P
[11:54] <eilker> jucato: :))
[11:57] <scheuri> hi all
[11:58] <eilker> hi scheuri
[12:00] <SlimG> Admiral_Chicago: Figured it out, you must use "close all wallets" in kwalletmanager before replacing the file, now your quoteable on the subject :)
[12:05] <kay> i have a new keyboard with a lot multimedia buttons/ now my question : i have the keycode where can i find  a list about the keysym?
[12:06] <kent_> can someone help me with this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=199250 i'm getting an error i dont understand
[12:09] <kay> kent_: what an error you get?
[12:10] <kay> kent_: and you use i think kubuntu (kde) tis is ubuntu howto and ubuntu use gnome maybe there you have to look
[12:11] <kent_> kay: how do i paste larg text without flooding the chan?
[12:11] <kay> look under google somethign with ubuntu and past
[12:11] <scheuri> !pastebin
[12:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:12] <octan> kay, run this on cli
[12:12] <octan> xev
[12:12] <scheuri> kay? you are in the kubuntu channel, right?
[12:12] <kay> octan: yes i did but i need to know what keysym can i use not which ui already use
[12:12] <kay> scheuri: yes why you asking?
[12:13] <scheuri> kay: because of:  kent_: and you use i think kubuntu (kde) tis is ubuntu howto and ubuntu use gnome maybe there you have to look
[12:13] <kent_> kay: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31644/
[12:13] <kent_> i get that error durring the sudo checkinstall stage
[12:14] <kay> scheuri: i only want to say it can be problem to install something on a way you have to do it in ubuntu course there is gnome and not kde like in kubuntu
[12:14] <kay> kent_: you wanna install somethign for gnome and you have kde
[12:14] <scheuri> kay: I know...it was just a bit misunderstandable...in my opionion....after all, everything is ubuntu,...KDE is just a GUI
[12:15] <octan> kay
[12:15] <kent_> kay: he says it works on both
[12:15] <octan> what abut xbindkeys ?
[12:15] <kay> scheuri: sure btu this is not the proble the problem is that kde and gnome can not run together that ubuntu is (k)ubuntu i know too
[12:16] <scheuri> kay: they can actually run togehter...;)...I do it here sometimes (KDE Menu- Switch User - New Session)
[12:16] <kay> octan: octan i search for a list or  table where all keysym are listet have you any idea where i can find it?
[12:17] <octan> yes,, 1 sec.. they are on you pc somewhere.. but i dont rememebr.. hold on and i'll try to find em
[12:17] <kay> scheuri: great so let us help him if you or me can
[12:17] <scheuri> kay: sorry, I did not get the exact problem...
[12:17] <kay> octan: thx
[12:17] <kay> scheuri: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31644/
[12:18] <scheuri> kent_: you are trying to install a .deb on your own?
[12:18] <scheuri> kent_: using dpkg?
[12:19] <kent_> scheuri: nevermind i'm useing the scripted installer i did not see it at the bottom
[12:20] <scheuri> kent_: well, I highly suggest that you use aptitude or the repositories...but...well...can not stop you know, can I?
[12:20] <scheuri> *or=and
[12:20] <scheuri> *know=now
[12:20] <kent_> scheuri: the problem is repositories are out of date
[12:20] <scheuri> kent_: are you on dapper?
[12:20] <kent_> scheuri: edgy
[12:21] <scheuri> kent_: and they are out of date? what are you trying to install?
[12:21] <kent_> scheuri: play for sure support for my nomad jukebox zen
[12:21] <kay> scheuri: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=199250
[12:22] <scheuri> kent_: okay, right...
[12:22] <sergio> hi
[12:22] <scheuri> kent_: sorry then...
[12:24] <octan> kay
[12:24] <octan>  /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h
[12:24] <kay> octan: thx dude
[12:24] <octan> np
[12:24] <octan> hope it helps
[12:25] <fribuntu> Hi all
[12:25] <octan> hi
[12:25] <kent_> scheuri: it seems noone ever thinks to update the mtp supprot makes me sad :( the stuff in the repositoriys is super old
[12:25] <fribuntu> I have a problem with KWallet. KMail and Konqueror never remember my passwords, even if I repeatedly tell them to do so.
[12:25] <kay> octan: not what i realy search but it is helpful thx
[12:26] <fribuntu> Is KWallet broken?
[12:28] <octan> key i would do i diff.. scew the keysums.. if you got the name of the button you have what you need.. just use xbindkeys and , link etc play button to amarok thats how i do it
[12:28] <fribuntu> Errm, the version is 6.10 by the way (edgy)
[12:28] <octan> *kay
[12:29] <icheyne> fribuntu, I am not sure, but I think you have to give your applications permission to access kwallet
[12:29] <icheyne> fribuntu, I got around it by giving kwallet an empty password and letting all apps access it all the time
[12:30] <kay> octan: yes?
[12:30] <octan> kay, also if you dont get accsess to all buttons.. try changing to endev in xorg for you keybord.. that helped for my 13 button mouse
[12:31] <kay> octan: wow
[12:31] <fribuntu> icheyne: In the kwallet settings, all relevant applications already have permissions set to "always allow".
[12:31] <kay> octan: what is it for a mouse (name)
[12:31] <octan> logitech media play
[12:31] <fribuntu> octan: A 13 button mouse? Are you sure you don't mean your keyboard?
[12:31] <kay> octan: USB
[12:31] <kay> lol
[12:31] <octan> yes
[12:32] <icheyne> fribuntu, sorry mate I've no idea then
[12:32] <octan> firephoto, no.. its my mouse
[12:32] <fribuntu> icheyne: there are quite a few people ranting about kwallet on the forums. There must be a major kwallet issue with edgy
[12:32] <kay> octan: have you buttons on your mouse which not listet when yu do xev?
[12:32] <octan> ues
[12:32] <octan> yes
[12:32] <fribuntu> icheyne: I am just tired of retyping all my passwords every time I boot up.
[12:33] <kay> octan: and now you cant use them? or did you fund a way to make it happend?
[12:33] <octan> its a pain in the ass to setup tho
[12:33] <icheyne> fribuntu, well I have not run into any problems yet. All my passwords get remembered. I think there is a kde channel here. You might try asking there.
[12:33] <kay> octan: so you make now you can use them?
[12:34] <icheyne> fribuntu, but of course I use firefox and gmail so I am not relying on those apps :-S
[12:34] <fribuntu> icheyne: aha! As far as I know, neither firefox nor thunderbird even use kwallet.
[12:34] <octan> kay, yes i use them.. to start amarok.. skip song. stuff like that
[12:34] <fribuntu> icheyne: So that is "cheating" :)
[12:35] <icheyne> fribuntu, konqueror just does not do it for me :)
[12:35] <octan> nature is calling
[12:35] <kay> octan: i have a 11 buttons mouse and the scroll can move to the rigth and the left have you this too?
[12:40] <fribuntu> icheyne: Well, firefox does not do it for me any more. And the KHTML engine is a bit faster than gekko anyhow.
[12:40] <xylan_cybercafe> hi all
[12:40] <xylan_cybercafe> i run dapper, and just upgraded to kde 3.5.5
[12:40] <xylan_cybercafe> then now i realise theres a pb relativ to usb
[12:40] <octan> kay yes i got that too
[12:40] <xylan_cybercafe> all usb keys give this message
[12:40] <xylan_cybercafe> Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
[12:41] <xylan_cybercafe> :'(
[12:42] <kay> octan: have you and howto i need it :D
[12:42] <octan> no howto.. just my brain.. :P,, what brand is you mouse?
[12:43] <octan> pls say logitech :P
[12:43] <kay> nope
[12:43] <kay> genius
[12:43] <kay> D:
[12:43] <kay> lol
[12:43] <octan> hmm
[12:43] <octan> usb or ps2?
[12:43] <kay> okusb
[12:44] <kay> usb
[12:44] <kay> how you get it to work when you dont see the btton in the xev
[12:44] <kay> where do yu find it?
[12:45] <octan> trt and erroring is what i did,,'
[12:45] <octan> *try
[12:45] <kay> ok where do you find the erros i mean i read someting about that when you press the "unknow " button there is an error message where is it
[12:45] <octan> for example
[12:46] <octan> i use my horizontal scroll to rotate my destop
[12:46] <octan> #rotate right
[12:46] <octan> "dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.compiz /org/freedesktop/compiz/rotate/allscreens/rotate_right org.freedesktop.compiz.activate string:'root' int32:0x52"
[12:46] <octan> b:128
[12:46] <octan> thats button 128
[12:47] <kay> ok
[12:47] <xylan_cybercafe> anybody for my sd problem ?
[12:47] <kay> but if the button has no keycode
[12:48] <octan> im not 100% sure how it works.. button 1.2.3 get keycodes in xev but not the otherones
[12:50] <kay> octan: ok i search later for a solution maybe you can tell me if i can for example open the mozilla with one button how must i do it?
[12:50] <octan> thats easy
[12:50] <octan> just use xbindkeys
[12:51] <kay> ok i saw a howot for it
[12:51] <kay> octan: thx
[12:51] <octan> np
[12:52] <octan> now to my problem
[12:52] <octan> how i can merge 2 avi files together? i tryed with avimerge -o big.avi -i small1.avi small2.avi.. but when its close to  700 MB the big.avi file i get segment fault...
[12:52] <sergio> avidemux is a good option
[12:53] <octan> it will do that?
[12:53] <octan> installing it now
[12:54] <octan> man avidemux
[12:54] <octan> No manual entry for avidemux
[12:54] <octan> :(
[12:55] <sergio> try this http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/
[12:56] <octan> ok thanks
[12:56] <sergio> you're wellcome
[12:58] <crusty> hallo everibody
[12:59] <crusty> my kubuntu do not see my web cam SN9C105...any tips?
[01:01] <kay> crusty: lsusb what odes it show you?
[01:01] <crusty> what is odes...im new on kubuntu
[01:02] <juanjo_21> hola, alguien que hable espaol y me pueda ayudar?
[01:02] <kay> does* sorry
[01:02] <kay> crusty: me too so type int the shell lsusb
[01:02] <kay> crusty: me too so type in the shell lsusb
[01:03] <kay> !pastebin
[01:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:04] <lzap> hi, has Dapper Drake still support?
[01:04] <lzap> no upgrades for weeks now... :-(
[01:04] <octan> sergio, i cant find anything on merge file.. i see howto split 1 file.. but not howto merge them.. can you help me a bit more out here? pls
[01:04] <lzap> e.g. newer version of Amarok is out and I have still 1.4.2
[01:05] <Jucato> !amarok | lzap
[01:05] <ubotu> lzap: amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.4 for Edgy and packages are available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org
[01:05] <Jucato> lzap: the 3-5 year support for Dapper is only guaranteed for security updates, not necessarily version updates
[01:11] <eilker>  i Can't find package linux-dri-modules-2.6.15-27-386:( i even search from packages.ubuntu.com....
[01:11] <eilker> any idea?
[01:14] <xsacha> eilker: that kernel version has no dri modules.. either go back to -26 or upgrade to edgy
[01:14] <eilker> xsacha: trying for xgl....
[01:14] <exclude> hello
[01:14] <exclude> what does the apt-index-watch process do?
[01:14] <eilker> xsacha: thanx for useful info
[01:15] <exclude> its gobbling up loads of CPU cycles.
[01:15] <lzap> Jucato: well I see, but it seems all switched to edgy? I should not expect next dapper-backports? :-(
[01:15] <exclude> I assume its a deamon to monitor new packages? If so I'd either want it to run less often (max once a day)day)
[01:15] <Jucato> lzap: Amarok 1.4.3 is available on Dapper. as for other packages/apps, that really depends
[01:17] <nidal> hi all, is there any tool/command to know which process is causing high iowait ?
[01:18] <octan> nidal, high iowait?
[01:18] <nidal> yes
[01:18] <nidal> I can see it when I give top or sar command
[01:19] <octan> what you mean.. I/O resures?
[01:19] <nidal> but how do I trace it and know which process is the "culprit" ?
[01:19] <Dark_Vampire> !de
[01:19] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:20] <nidal> see, I am having 2 linux boxes clustered together (not kubuntu, redhat ) with a shared storage box
[01:20] <nidal> and sometimes the access to the shared storage is dead slow
[01:20] <octan> ps axjf |grep prosess ?
[01:20] <nidal> I was just wondering is there any utility in linux which would help me to find out which process is causing the problem
[01:21] <nidal> octan, sorry I didnt get you
[01:21] <octan> nidal, ps axjf gives you a prosess tree
[01:21] <nidal> ok
[01:22] <nidal> but how do I come to know the IO activity of those processes ?
[01:22] <octan> i dont think you will
[01:22] <nidal> becoz, I suspect some "rogue" processes are eating up the IO and screwing up the system
[01:25] <[GuS] > Bonjour les gens...
[01:28] <Gecko> Hey there. I'm getting crazy or senile or something. Where are the global settings for $PATH set? I was sure it was /etc/profile
[01:29] <octan> Gecko
[01:29] <octan>  echo $PATH
[01:29] <octan> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[01:29] <Gecko> octan: yes, I realize it's a variable, but where does it come from? Some file must include that line in order for it to be set on login
[01:30] <octan> yesll ls.conf.so
[01:30] <octan> erm
[01:30] <octan> ld.conf.so
[01:30] <octan> in /etc
[01:30] <Gecko> octan: no that's for libraries
[01:31] <octan> right
[01:31] <Gecko> octan: see for your self. It contains no paths :)
[01:31] <octan> what?
[01:31] <Gecko> eh, no $PATH's
[01:31] <octan> what does not have path?
[01:31] <Gecko> nevermind ;)
[01:32] <Gecko> My hangover has too high a 'nice' value, and I can't seem to 'renice' it... ;)
[01:32] <octan> LOL
[01:32] <Jucato> octan: I think he's looking for what file contains the $PATH variable? from what file $PATH reads it
[01:33] <octan> aha
[01:33] <octan> cat /etc/bash_completion |grep PATH
[01:33] <octan> ther ya go
[01:34] <octan>  PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin type $1 &>/dev/null && bla bla bla bla
[01:34] <Gecko> in bash_completion?
[01:34] <octan> ya
[01:34] <Gecko> that's some suprise
[01:35] <Gecko> The /only/ file I didn't check :)
[01:36] <octan> heh.. its usaly like that :p
[01:39] <Schalken> what are the implications of making a symlink from /root to ~/ (such that root's directory becomes my home directory)? would root then use all my kde configuration?
[01:40] <Gecko> Schalken: yes, and you would have lots of problems, because everything in /root is owned by root and not yourself
[01:40] <Schalken> Gecko: oh yeah, point.
[01:41] <Schalken> but if the files in there are already owned by me, will they become owned by root as soon as root uses them?
[01:41] <Tm_T> Not only that, root is special user and youre regular, so there's lots of thing that should be handled differently. Atleast that's how I see it.
[01:41] <Tm_T> Schalken: As soon as any changes occurs.
[01:42] <Tm_T> And I can't figure out what are advantages in that anyway.
[01:42] <intelikey> shalom
[01:42] <Tm_T> intelikey: Moin.
[01:42] <Schalken> its just that all my kde configuration isnt used when i run programs (like adept or other system configuration stuff)
[01:42] <Tm_T> intelikey: Nice, you irc as root?
[01:43] <Schalken> as root
[01:43] <intelikey> Tm_T no  root is just a name
[01:43] <Gecko> intelikey: but uid=0 is pretty special
[01:43] <Tm_T> Schalken: And? Shouldn't it be obvious when you do things as root? It's better be seen well than just by asking password.
[01:44] <Tm_T> Schalken: So, when you see something different than your settings, you notice it.
[01:44] <Tm_T> Schalken: BUT if you really wan't change root settings, run kcontrol as root?
[01:44] <Schalken> Tm_T: well that wouldnt be the case if i didnt change any of the settings
[01:44] <intelikey> Gecko yeah i know that.  but an irc client doesn't read uid it reads irc-username  and or  ircname
[01:44] <Tm_T> Schalken: True that.
[01:45] <Tm_T> Schalken: I change settings as first task, so I rarely see any defaults. =)
[01:45] <Gecko> Schalken: if you just want your kde configuration, you could just do a cp -r ~/.kde/ /root/ ; sudo chown root:root -R /root/.kde/
[01:45] <Schalken> Tm_T: OR, what if, say, once everything is the way i like it, i copy all the config into /root?
[01:45] <Schalken> Gecko: like that? :P
[01:45] <Tm_T> Gecko: Not wise, there's lots of other things than just settings.
[01:46] <octan> why in hell do you whant to run kde as root ?
[01:46] <Gecko> Schalken: if you like that, you should probably back up your old config. I have too much of a hangover to think of the consequences ;)
[01:46] <octan> setup a sudo account without password
[01:47] <Schalken> Gecko: what old config? there isnt anything in /root other than a folder i put in there.
[01:47] <Gecko> Schalken: there might be some hidden ones. Did you do a ls -la?
[01:47] <Gecko> but I think Tm_T is right in it's a bad idea
[01:47] <octan> it is
[01:48] <Schalken> Gecko: ah, yes, hidden once (i thought it was ls -l, but it is ls -a for hidden)
[01:48] <intelikey> Gecko i'd dare say that allan is a root jr. acconunt on your box and if one could ssh in as allan they would have pretty much the run of the place...  seeing that ssh-server is not installed by default that's not a worry... however there is no root login on this box and even if you could exploit this irc client you would not have root access because i'm not root not even root jr..
[01:48] <octan> its the stupest ide all day :P
[01:48] <Tm_T> octan: Shush.
[01:48] <octan> hehe
[01:49] <Gecko> intelikey: by root jr. you mean what? also uid=0 or sudo with no passwd or what?
[01:49] <Tm_T> Schalken: As I said, run kconfigure as root and configure as you like, it's safest you can get, but don't run whole KDE as root ever.
[01:49] <Schalken> Tm_T: i dont, just sysconfig apps
[01:49] <intelikey> Gecko un-restricted sudoer
[01:50] <Gecko> intelikey: well, you're welcome to try ;)
[01:50] <Tm_T> Schalken: Then running kcontrol should be safe bet, do that and be happy. ;)
[01:50] <intelikey> Gecko i'm not in that business :)    but it can be done.  ;/
[01:51] <Schalken> Tm_T: but then everytime i make changes i have to do it as root as well, doubling the amount of input i have to make when making cosmetic changes to my desktop.
[01:52] <Tm_T> Schalken: True, and still safest, but you do as you like.
[01:52] <Jucato> it's actually a good idea sometimes to have root use a different theme/appearance from your normal user theme, just to provide a visual reminder that you are running as root
[01:53] <intelikey> Tm_T "but don't run whole KDE as root ever."  paranoid ?
[01:53] <Tm_T> OR if you know those specific config files, then symlink them, but not whole ~/.kde
[01:53] <Tm_T> intelikey: Just don't like to hear if something breaks.
[01:53] <do> et en francais ca parle de quoi?
[01:53] <Tm_T> intelikey: Well known way to easily mess a lot of things.
[01:53] <Schalken> Jucato: we discussed that earlier: if that were a point at all kubuntu would come with such a feature by default.
[01:53] <Jucato> !fr
[01:53] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:54] <Jucato> Schalken: I did say "sometimes"
[01:54] <do> comment faire
[01:54] <Schalken> Jucato: okay, so if your someone who likes to have it that way ;)
[01:54] <Tm_T> Schalken: Can't remember rightaway what files contained visual settings.
[01:54] <Jucato> depends on which visual component
[01:55] <Schalken> any idea where the system-wide, default user kde settings are?
[01:55] <Jucato> Schalken: /usr/share most of them, some in /etc/kde3 too
[01:55] <intelikey> Tm_T hmmm i am not in a habit of running a gui as root but have several times, never seen any adverse affect from it.    heard the same report form others.   but i do understand that there is increased risks, in that one can hose the whole system as root...
[01:56] <Schalken> Jucato: 'some here and some there' :S
[01:56] <Jucato> Schalken: unfortunately, that's the way Linux works...
[01:56] <Tm_T> intelikey: IIRC it can affect to some Xorg things that mess some foofoo stuff, I don't know specific.
[01:58] <intelikey> Tm_T that's a kdm specific thing (one that i consider a bug) kdm uses /root/ as a temp dir no matter who logs in,  thus all users write to /root/  and imo thats a bug.
[01:58] <Schalken> what does a sysadmin have to do to make it so every user can't change their desktop configuration (eg style, kicker config, network settings), and instead uses a central configuration which is easily maintained?
[01:58] <Jucato> kiosk?
[01:58] <Tm_T> intelikey: I see, anyway, don't like to hear complaints so better to tell do it safe way.
[01:59] <Schalken> Jucato: whats that?
[01:59] <Jucato> er... kiosktool I think... a KDE app to lockdown user options. I just heard of it. never used it actually
[02:00] <Schalken> herrrrrmm :S
[02:00] <intelikey> Tm_T using [g,x] dm prevents that problem, even if your desktop is kde.     and yes i don't advice people to gui as root.  but i wont tell them DONT, either.
[02:00] <intelikey> and wasnt trying to change you :)
[02:01] <Tm_T> intelikey: I know.
[02:02] <visik7> I've a laptop with an ethernet and a wlan bot work now I want to route the http traffic through  ethernet and the rest through wireless
[02:03] <Schalken> Jucato: is kiosk secure? that is, is there any way for a user to bypass it and change their settings (eg. proxy)?
[02:03] <Jucato> Schalken: I think it's secure enough. some KDE devs blogged about it before, iirc
[02:04] <Schalken> Jucato: doesn't look that bad, actually.
[02:05] <octan> visik7, iptables
[02:05] <visik7> iptables can't
[02:05] <intelikey> Tm_T fact of the matter is. imo ubuntu's root jr. aproach to security is in-affactive at best and misleading in general.   sudo is a good app but the default anyone in admin group can do anything, is not one bit safer than setting a root passwd.  and in fact, leads some to think that their system can't be hacked when actually a weak root jr. passwd is less secure than a strong root passwd.
[02:05] <octan> iptables can
[02:06] <visik7> iptables can't on packet generated locally
[02:06] <murchadh> Logging in as root bad:- http://www.brunolinux.com/01-First_Things_To_Know/Su_and_Root.html
[02:06] <octan> just use forward with iptables
[02:07] <visik7> iptables can with packet that need to be forward  not with the one locally generated
[02:07] <octan> you can forward port 80 to ip of ethX
[02:08] <Tm_T> intelikey: True.
[02:08] <visik7> the problem is that for example
[02:09] <visik7> octan: for example firefox binds itself on the iface that contact the default route
[02:09] <intelikey> well </rant> i'll get back on-topic.
[02:10] <Schalken> Jucato: Kiosk is actually a great tool, however it doesnt provide a way to change the settings of a profile. Eg, change the desktop background of the 'default' profile.
[02:10] <Jucato> ah
[02:11] <Schalken> Jucato: which really makes it useless for a system admin who wants the defaults to be something other than what came with the distro.
[02:11] <octan> visik7, did you try something like iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i wlan(ip) -d eth0(Ip) --dport 80 -j ACCEPT
[02:12] <visik7> it's useless
[02:12] <Schalken> Jucato: any idea how i can change the settings of a profile intuitively (via kontrol)?
[02:12] <octan> preroute ?
[02:12] <intelikey> murchadh hehhe that link is interesting, but if it comes to protecting the system form the human  just unplug the box... or at least mount / read only and then remove the device nodes.....  that would pretty much protect the os from the user.
[02:12] <Schalken> Tm_T: ?
[02:12] <Jucato> Schalken: I'm out of ideas..
[02:13] <Schalken> anyway i g2g
[02:13] <Schalken> see ya tomorrow maybe
[02:15] <murchadh> intelikey: Hehe... Yeah PEBCAC! Problem Exists Between Chair And Computer! Users suck, even when they're root! People in hats....
[02:15] <intelikey> :)
[02:16] <intelikey> it's pebcak
[02:16] <georgeb> hi guys (and girls); what would you recommend as replacement for Yahoo Mess ? I now use kopete, which seems ok, just that file transfer doesn't work, and some other minor issues; I also used gaim some time ago, but it was too basic, and afaik it didn't change much
[02:17] <murchadh> !konversation
[02:17] <ubotu> konversation: user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 5027 kB, installed size 12988 kB
[02:17] <intelikey> !gaim
[02:17] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[02:17] <intelikey> pick your take
[02:18] <intelikey> pick your friends
[02:18] <intelikey> pick your nose
[02:18] <intelikey> but don't pick your friends noes
[02:18] <murchadh> Take your pick, unless you need a shovel!
[02:20] <georgeb> intelikey: I need a yahoo messenger replacement; konversation (which I currently use *now*) is only for IRC; and Gaim I already said that I think it's too old :)
[02:21] <intelikey> you think gaim is too old ?
[02:22] <intelikey> !amsn
[02:22] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-2.1 (edgy), package size 2261 kB, installed size 7752 kB
[02:24] <georgeb> intelikey: well, I used gaim some 3 years ago, and from what I see it didn't change much, also from what I remember Gaim 2.0 is in development for some time
[02:24] <intelikey> !info gaim
[02:24] <ubotu> gaim: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.0.0+beta3.1-1ubuntu9 (edgy), package size 1311 kB, installed size 3712 kB
[02:25] <intelikey> hmmm thats b3
[02:25] <intelikey> !info gaim dapper
[02:25] <ubotu> gaim: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.5.0+1.5.1cvs20051015-1ubuntu10 (dapper), package size 816 kB, installed size 2148 kB
[02:26] <georgeb> intelikey: aha.. I just fired it up, and I was wondering when stealth settings appeared :) It looks like I already have 2.0
[02:26] <intelikey> !info gaim hoary
[02:26] <ubotu> gaim: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu4.4 (hoary), package size 825 kB, installed size 2148 kB
[02:27] <intelikey> it was 1.1 a year and a half ago
[02:27] <intelikey> 1.5 a year ago   and 2.0 bata 3 now.
[02:27] <intelikey> too old ?
[02:28] <ubuntu>  !  -   !?!?!
[02:30] <intelikey> ubuntu english here,  or /join #ubuntu-ko   or what ever that is...
[02:31] <eilker> hi i wanna save my pc screens as video file, do u suggest me a program. (i installed xgl, i wanna share with my friends)
[02:31] <yamal> !ru
[02:31] <ubotu> Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke. Russian users please try #ubuntu-ru, there you may get more help
[02:32] <georgeb> !istambul
[02:32] <octan> visik7,
[02:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about istambul - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:32] <georgeb> !istanbul | eilker
[02:32] <eilker> georgeb: istanbul ??
[02:32] <ubotu> istanbul: Desktop session recorder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 380 kB
[02:33] <eilker> georgeb: this is the city that i live:)))
[02:33] <georgeb> !screencast
[02:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screencast - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:33] <georgeb> eilker: hah, funny; some friend gave it a try and was pretty impressed
[02:33] <georgeb> eilker: I mean the program :)
[02:34] <octan> visik7,  try something like..  iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport www -j -o wlan DROP   && iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp ! --dport www -j -o eth0 -j ACCEPT
[02:34] <eilker> georgeb: i see, i was so suprised when you call ubotu for istanbul:)))
[02:34] <georgeb> eilker: there are some more programs listed at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?search=istanbul
[02:34] <eilker> georgeb: thanx friend
[02:35] <octan> erm.. last one had 1 ! thats not suppose to be there
[02:35] <octan> well.. like this iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp ! --dport www -j -o eth0 -j DROP  :p
[02:36] <wydocq> salutation
[02:37] <intelikey> wydocq howdy
[02:38] <intelikey> !az
[02:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about az - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:38] <octan> !ass
[02:39] <octan> :P
[02:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ass - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:39] <intelikey> !td
[02:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about td - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:39] <intelikey> hmmm
[02:40] <octan> what are you looking for ?
[02:40] <intelikey> !af
[02:40] <ubotu> af: An Emacs-like mail reader and composer. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.4.3-3 (edgy), package size 427 kB, installed size 1432 kB
[02:40] <intelikey> that aint it.
[02:43] <octan> is  ther a way i can lock alsa to a spesific volume ? like lock it at 1/2 volume ?
[02:49] <SlimG> i get "aclocal: Command not found" while trying to compile in kdevelop, what ubuntu package contains aclocal?
[02:50] <lin> hi all
[02:53] <BluesKaj> Howdy All! :)
[02:53] <intelikey> anyone know how to enter text in elinks  it keeps grabbing the letters and using them as hotkeys...  ?
[02:54] <octan> EKA GIMME SOME
[03:02] <wilman> does edgy has xorg 7.0?
[03:02] <filip_> is there a command for creating files in the terminal?
[03:02] <intelikey> !info xserver-xorg
[03:02] <ubotu> xserver-xorg: the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.1.1ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 164 kB, installed size 584 kB
[03:03] <intelikey> 7.1
[03:04] <filip_> i need to creat a .desktop file in the application folder.. how do i di that
[03:04] <filip_> i need to creat a .desktop file in the application folder.. how do i di that
[03:05] <intelikey> you can di that by several means a text editor would be the choice if the file is not supposed to be blank.
[03:05] <SlimG> i get "aclocal: Command not found" while trying to compile in kdevelop, what ubuntu package contains aclocal?
[03:05] <twosouls82> filip_: just use the right click of konqi in a folder and select new link to application
[03:06] <intelikey> : > /path/filename.desktop    if it is to be blank.
[03:06] <twosouls82> you can also use "nano -w <name>.desktop" and create one by hand L)
[03:06] <intelikey> or touch /path/filename.desktop   if it might already exist and you don't want to blank it.
[03:06] <intelikey> nano is a text editor
[03:07] <twosouls82> so?
[03:07] <twosouls82> afraid of them?
[03:07] <intelikey> that explains that i guess....
[03:08] <filip_> hmm.. it said that its not possible to write the file in the application folder.
[03:08] <filip_> How do i do to create a file there?
[03:08] <intelikey> !sudo
[03:08] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:08] <twosouls82> filip_: you need to be root to do so, "kdesu konqueror <folder location"
[03:12] <eilker> georgeb: do u use istanbul in xgl ? cant it be used in berly desktop ?
[03:13] <filip_> cabt get ut ti work
[03:13] <filip_> to*
[03:13] <filip_> cant*
[03:13] <filip_> it*
[03:13] <eilker> filip_: ?
[03:14] <filip__> well i cant creat the file and i can not do the root thing. :)
[03:15] <filip__> the command gksudo is not found
[03:15] <Jucato> use kdesu in Kubuntu
[03:16] <BluesKaj> what about"mkdir ~/.filename"  ?
[03:17] <Jucato> er.. kdesu to launch GUI apps as root, sudo on the command line
[03:17] <Jucato> what's he trying to do btw? (came in late)
[03:17] <filip__> install linux dcpp
[03:17] <filip__> dc++
[03:18] <Jucato> ah
[03:18] <kimmern> hey! anyone know how to make a vcd out of a avi file? can't find any functions in k3b..
[03:18] <kimmern> hey! anyone know how to make a vcd out of a avi file? can't find any functions in k3b.
[03:19] <LjL> kimmern, don't repeat please. i don't know of a specific software that does what you want, but ffmpeg (or mencoder, or...) should do it if you set the right conversion parameters
[03:19] <BluesKaj> kimmern, devede24 will do it for you
[03:19] <filip__> whats the command to create a file in kubuntu? from the konsole
[03:19] <LjL> basically a VCD is an MPEG file with a specific format (320xwhatever, etc)
[03:19] <LjL> filip__: touch
[03:19] <Jucato> hm... I need an app like that too... anything that makes it easier (GUI perhaps?)
[03:19] <LjL> kimmern, after you have the mpeg, there are tools to make it into an actual VCD
[03:19] <BluesKaj> I would recommend tovid, but it's still unstable
[03:20] <LjL> !info vcdimager
[03:20] <ubotu> vcdimager: A VideoCD (VCD) image mastering and ripping tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.23-3 (edgy), package size 514 kB, installed size 1000 kB
[03:20] <kimmern> LjL: sorry..didnt't mean to repeat myself..thought I was in another channel
[03:20] <LjL> !info vcdtools
[03:20] <ubotu> vcdtools: Creates Video CD (VCD) filesystem images. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4-2 (edgy), package size 29 kB, installed size 108 kB
[03:20] <LjL> there certainly are GUI tools to facilitate this. but i can't see any in the repositories
[03:21] <Jucato> ah. thanks anyway :)
[03:21] <Jucato> nothing really beats Nero in that sense... encoding to VCD then burn... or I haven't found one yet...
[03:21] <LjL> tried arson?
[03:21] <BluesKaj> !devede24
[03:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about devede24 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:22] <kimmern> thanks for your answers!
[03:22] <LjL> the description doesn't mention it, but then there sometimes *are* features that are not in the description of packages...
[03:22] <LjL> VLC is a GUI tools as well. guess it doesn't have pre-defined settings for VCD, but still
[03:22] <Jucato> hm.. I'll try it :)
[03:22] <Jucato> arson I mean...
[03:22] <filip__>  LjL: faild.. i tried this command: kdesu touch /usr/share/applications/linuxdcpp.desktop
[03:23] <LjL> filip__: and?
[03:23] <filip__> and it s suppose to create the file?
[03:23] <Jucato> LjL: thanks for pointing out Arson. It's interesting (and in our repos, too!)
[03:23] <filip__> but it soesnt.
[03:23] <filip__> doesnt*
[03:24] <LjL> filip__: so does "ls /usr/share/applications/linuxdcpp.desktop" give any output?
[03:24] <BluesKaj> arson is audio cd burning software
[03:24] <filip__> no..
[03:24] <Jucato> BluesKaj: it's not only audio cd
[03:25] <LjL> Jucato, kimmern: arson is probably a decent alternative to k3b. if it still can't create VCDs, though, i really suggest trying out VLC's graphical interface (File / Open file / Advanced options / Stream / Settings) - then just look up on Wikipedia or something what the VCD format is
[03:25] <LjL> and then something like vcdimager should do the job easily enough i suppose, even if it's command line
[03:25] <filip__> LjL: nothing happens
[03:25] <Jucato> LjL: hm.. I still have to convert the .avi to .mpeg in any case, right?
[03:25] <BluesKaj> LjL, ever heard of devede24 ?
[03:26] <LjL> Jucato, no, well yes, but it's VLC the one doing that
[03:26] <Jucato> BluesKaj: are you absolutely sure about Arson?
[03:26] <LjL> filip__: i don't know if that's your problem, but you should only use "kdesu" for GUI applications. for commands like touch, just use sudo
[03:26] <intelikey> echo "" | sudo /usr/share/applications/linuxdcpp.desktop
[03:26] <LjL> sudo touch /usr/share/applications/linuxdcpp.desktop
[03:26] <LjL> intelikey, uh?
[03:26] <BluesKaj> no Jucato, not absolutely
[03:27] <LjL> BluesKaj: heard of it, yes, but really just heard of
[03:27] <Jucato> BluesKaj: http://arson.sourceforge.net/ "Arson has expanded to be a CD ripper (with many output formats), a VCD/Music/Data burner, a CD copier, a device unlocker, and a CDRW blanker."
[03:27] <intelikey> LjL hehhe yaeh left out the redirrect didn't i.
[03:27] <intelikey> echo "" | sudo > /usr/share/applications/linuxdcpp.desktop
[03:27] <LjL> intelikey, well yes ;) anyway touch is made for that, it really should work
[03:27] <intelikey> that look better
[03:27] <BluesKaj> Jucato, LjL,  but I am about devede24
[03:27] <LjL> intelikey, sudo expects a parameter
[03:28] <kimmern> LjL: I'm converting the avi to mpeg using AvideMux...then i'll burn the file using k3b!..found it on ubuntuforums..was the easy way, so i'll try that first!
[03:28] <intelikey> tee it then
[03:28] <filip__> LjL: but it does not for me
[03:28] <Jucato> BluesKaj: it's a DVD creator, can it create VCD's too?
[03:28] <LjL> intelikey, it would be   sudo sh -c "echo >/usr/share/applications/linuxdcpp.desktop"
[03:28] <BluesKaj> yes
[03:28] <LjL> but touch really should work
[03:28] <Jucato> !devede
[03:28] <ubotu> devede: Video DVD creator. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 243 kB, installed size 664 kB
[03:28] <Jucato> I'll try both :)
[03:28] <Jucato> tomorrow hehehe
[03:29] <filip__> hm.. what is the command to delete a file?
[03:29] <intelikey> filip__ i'm susspecting that the dir may not exist
[03:29] <filip__> or a folder
[03:29] <Jucato> so I have VLC, Arson, and devede to try tomorrow
[03:29] <LjL> well, the description doesn't mention it
[03:29] <intelikey> rm
[03:29] <LjL> Ubotu, please tell filip__ about cli
[03:29] <BluesKaj> Jucato, have fun :)
[03:29] <LjL> intelikey, could be, but it would be very strange if /usr/share/applications didn't exist i think
[03:29] <Jucato> yeah.. tomorrow is my "setup" day. I'm going to try a printer/scanner that my sister brought home :)
[03:30] <LjL> filip__: try "touch ~/testfile ; ls ~/testfile"   , do you get any output?
[03:30] <intelikey> LjL true enough
[03:30] <BluesKaj> I thought VLC was merely a very versatile player , not a convertor
[03:30] <LjL> BluesKaj: it's both
[03:30] <octan> is ther a tool that can listen on a file for changes? i dont wanna run a loop to check for changes on 1 line.
[03:30] <BluesKaj> one can capture VLC output ?
[03:31] <filip__> LjL: yup.
[03:31] <LjL> BluesKaj, no need to "capture" it, just tell it to stream it to some file (in any supported format)
[03:32] <LjL> filip__: try it once again please,   sudo touch /usr/share/applications/linuxdcpp.desktop ; ls /usr/share/applications/linuxdcpp.desktop
[03:32] <BluesKaj> ok, LjL , that's news , but good news ...always open to new options :)
[03:33] <filip__> no output.
[03:33] <Digital_Pioneer> Is it safe to put Debian testing repositories into my sources.llist?
[03:33] <LjL> filip__, "ls /usr/share/applications" does give output, doesn't it?
[03:33] <Digital_Pioneer> *sources.list
[03:33] <filip__> i managed to create a folder with the samename i suppose thats a big problem?
[03:33] <LjL> Digital_Pioneer: not at all
[03:33] <intelikey> LjL but sudo echo >  wont work cause the terminal is not root and that's what is redirrected,    : | sudo tee filename    then the file will be writen by root even though the output to terminal is not root.
[03:33] <filip__> how do i delete folder rm doesnt work
[03:33] <LjL> intelikey, that's why i used sudo sh -c "...."
[03:33] <Digital_Pioneer> LjL: So I definitely shouldn't do it?
[03:34] <filip__> yes.
[03:34] <LjL> intelikey: the redirection is inside the sh command line, so it's executed by root
[03:34] <LjL> Digital_Pioneer: precisely
[03:34] <Jucato> Digital_Pioneer: definitely shouldn't
[03:34] <filip__> ls /usr/share/applications gives output.
[03:34] <Digital_Pioneer> LjL: Are there any Debian repositories I could safely use?
[03:34] <intelikey> LjL yes    and there is never a right way.... there is your way my way and another way :)
[03:34] <LjL> filip__: "rmdir" removes empty directories.   "rm -r" removes anything that's inside a given directory, and can be dangerous if you misuse it anyhow
[03:34] <LjL> filip__: "man rm" first
[03:35] <Jucato> most (if not all) of the packages that Ubuntu has are from Debian
[03:35] <LjL> intelikey, but "touch" exists precisely for creating empty files ;-)
[03:35] <LjL> (and for touching existing files)
[03:35] <Digital_Pioneer> Well, OK, thanks. :)
[03:35] <intelikey> LjL ?    yes glad you added that second part
[03:36] <LjL> intelikey, 'course we know there are 100 different ways to do something on unix, but then there are commands that are quite specific to do something
[03:36] <LjL> intelikey, for that matter, i use "gunzip blah.tar.gz ; tar -x -f blah.tar" to uncompress files, because i'm used to that, but i'm definitely aware it's not the most reasonable way
[03:37] <intelikey> like wget for instants
[03:37] <LjL> intelikey: yeah. you could use netcat, or heck, telnet to download files, but that wouldn't make much sense when there's wget :D
[03:38] <LjL> filip__, anyway, since we're out of options, do try     sudo sh -c "echo >/usr/share/applications/linuxdcpp.desktop"
[03:38] <LjL> or tee as intellikey said, shouldn't really make a difference
[03:38] <filip__> YES! the touch command worked finaly.
[03:38] <LjL> filip__: like what?
[03:38] <intelikey> :)
[03:39] <filip__> well somehow i mangage to creat a folder with the same name
[03:39] <LjL> hm? same name as what?
[03:39] <filip__> as the file supposed to be created
[03:39] <LjL> oh
[03:39] <filip__> didnt see it at first
[03:39] <LjL> so "ls" was empty because it was listing an empty directory...
[03:39] <filip__> exactly
[03:40] <filip__> LjL: thank you for your patience
[03:40] <filip__> :)
[03:40] <intelikey> LjL inverse reason i gave eariler dir does exist   rather than parent dir doesn't exist....
[03:40] <LjL> heh
[03:40] <LjL> intelikey:  "Error: success"
[03:40] <intelikey> something like that   :)
[03:41] <LjL> Keyboard does not respond, press F1 to continue
[03:41] <intelikey> program failed because it finished.
[03:42] <intelikey> LjL i have seen that [f1]  message from bios
[03:43] <intelikey> makes me wonder if i might have writen it in my sleep or something.......   looks like some of my posts in here.
[03:44] <intelikey> or this one.  E: program exited with exit code 0
[03:48] <LjL> intelikey: yes it's a BIOS message, though what it really says (on the BIOSes i've seen) is "Keyboard error. Press F1 to continue"
[03:49] <LjL> "error" is a bit more generic, so i changed it into something even more idiotic ;)
[03:50] <intelikey> yeah but it only occures if the keyboard is not responsive....  :)     still as dumb as a box of rocks...
[03:51] <intelikey> i have had one section of a keyboard die and the bios not notice it.  hard to do much when almost 25% of the keys have no affect....
[03:52] <LjL> intelikey, i could bet there is a "Video subsystem failure" BIOS error that gets printed on the screen, though for obvious reasons nobody will ever see it... =)
[03:52] <intelikey> lol
[03:52] <intelikey> yeah i bet there is !!!
[03:52] <LjL> aw, that happened on my poor Psion :(
[03:52] <intelikey> :)
[03:52] <alexicon> whats the gtk sudo program called?
[03:52] <LjL> alexicon: gksudo
[03:53] <alexicon> ta
[03:53] <intelikey> idle "food" !
[04:01] <filip_> is there any klient for DC that is similar to fulDC?
[04:01] <filip_> for linux?
[04:06] <crusty> kay...still there?
[04:07] <LjL> filip_, the two graphical clients i know of are dcgui and valknut
[04:08] <chris123__> greets
[04:09] <crusty> ther is anybody out there with can tell me how to make kubuntu see my webcam? SN 9C105
[04:09] <murchadh> filip_: Dunno what fulDC looks like. I use dcpp. Recomended by a friend for technical reasons which were over my head. Works well though!
[04:10] <chris123__> Im getting a GPG errer with apt-get fro http://kubuntu.org edgy Release, not seen this one. Was wondering were on the home page or other do I grab the key from?
[04:12] <intelikey> !webcam
[04:12] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:13] <klerfayt> if I recompile the kernel then I have to manually patch it once security updates are available?
[04:13] <intelikey> once or twice
[04:15] <crusty> thanks ubotu...ill have a look
[04:15] <intelikey> !botsnack
[04:15] <ubotu> Yum!
[04:16] <Jucato> is cupsys the only thing I need to install to get printers working?
[04:16] <Jucato> any KDE-specific thing to install?
[04:16] <klerfayt> intelikey: hmm so if I decide to recompile the kernel I have to keep watching kernel security news somewhere?
[04:17] <intelikey> http://kernel.org
[04:18] <klerfayt> intelikey: eh; what about apt-get update? and then if kernel-source is updated I recompile?
[04:18] <intelikey> Jucato idk about kubuntu-desktop but kde depends on all you need.
[04:19] <Jucato> intelikey: I don't have kubuntu-desktop installed either, that's why I'm asking hehehe
[04:19] <Jucato> I only have kde-core installed, plus a few other apps.
[04:19] <intelikey> klerfayt what if ubuntu updates something that kernel.org doesn't  you recompile for naught.
[04:19] <intelikey> Jucato ok.  let me look....
[04:20] <Jucato> intelikey: thanks. first time to install/use a printer (3-in-1) tomorrow... so I'm a bit anxoius/nervous
[04:20] <klerfayt> intelikey: but isn't this logical choice if I recompiled using ubuntu kernel?
[04:20] <gemidjy> anyone checkout this (i get that when I try to reinstall kaffeine, first I removed it): http://pastebin.com/824152
[04:20] <chris123__> jucato did you check the hardware db
[04:21] <Jucato> ah not yet. anyway, I'll do so tomorrow... about to hit the sack in a few
[04:21] <Jucato> hm... it's an HP printer... I wonder if it has Linux drivers on the CD... hehehe
[04:21] <intelikey> libcupsimage2 cupsys cupsys-client libcupsys2 cupsys-driver-gutenprint      i think that's all you need Jucato
[04:22] <Jucato> ah thanks
[04:22] <Th3_Cr0up13R> hey guys im trying to run something exe with wine but its not working anymore  ASPI not initialised i get
[04:22] <Th3_Cr0up13R> any ideas what have i done wrong?
[04:22] <Th3_Cr0up13R> still learning
[04:22] <chris123__> jucato: unless it was build last week I wouldnt count on it.
[04:22] <Jucato> heheh thanks.
[04:23] <gemidjy> anyone checkout this (i get that when I try to reinstall kaffeine, first I removed it): http://pastebin.com/824152
[04:23] <mikel28> microsoft has taken over firefox :| http://www.msfirefox.com/microsoft-firefox/index.html
[04:23] <chris123__> anyone have any info on GPG keys for http://kubunut.org edgy Release, I keep getting errors
[04:23] <intelikey> Jucato you might want to add  gutenprint-doc   if you do anything fancy with the printer
[04:23] <intelikey> having the docs is always handy
[04:23] <Jucato> cupsys itself installs a few other things. but it doesn't install cupsys-client..hm...
[04:26] <Th3_Cr0up13R> can anyone tell me how do i initialize ASPI for win32 in ubuntu
[04:26] <intelikey> local gas well blew out last night.... lots of fire and noise,  i doubt it makes the news. nobody was killed.
[04:26] <Th3_Cr0up13R> never done this before and not so much time
[04:27] <BluesKaj> intelikey, where is that ?
[04:27] <intelikey> BluesKaj US rural
[04:28] <BluesKaj> yeah intelikey, but where in US ?
[04:29] <BluesKaj> ok, nm
[04:32] <muzzle> If I want to code a little game with very little use of graphics in C# which lib. should I use to make it run perfect on Kubuntu?
[04:32] <intelikey> !gtk
[04:32] <ubotu> gtk is the gimp toolkit, which forms the base of Gnome and a lot of other applications
[04:33] <intelikey> !qt
[04:33] <ubotu> qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and a lot of other applications. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package.
[04:33] <muzzle> which one is best documented? =)
[04:34] <muzzle> I think gtk has some documentation lacks, as far as I know
[04:34] <intelikey> idk
[04:36] <GrandConMalade> Qt is extremely well documented.
[04:37] <muzzle> GrandConMalade: Okay cool :)
[04:38] <muzzle> GrandConMalade: Which IDE would you suggest?
[04:38] <GrandConMalade> I'll disappoint you, I use emacs =)
[04:38] <muzzle> hehe ok
[04:39] <GrandConMalade> But I think Code::blocks or Eclipse or Kdevelop rulez
[04:39] <muzzle> are there any good c# bindings?
[04:39] <GrandConMalade> Nop
[04:39] <muzzle> okay
[04:39] <GrandConMalade> the most known C#/Qt binding is at larval state
[04:39] <muzzle> what about gtk then?
[04:39] <muzzle> If I want to use C#
[04:39] <GrandConMalade> GTK#
[04:40] <GrandConMalade> is the most indicated
[04:40] <GrandConMalade> With MonoDevelop
[04:40] <muzzle> ok
[04:42] <muzzle> GrandConMalade: know what I should apt-get to get gtk# libs?
[04:42] <Scythe128> anyone here think that the kde development team should put a sudo command in the menu ?
[04:42] <Scythe128> like right click an item and click runas?
[04:43] <GrandConMalade> muzzle: I suggest you to just apt-get monodevelop
[04:43] <CPrgmSwR2> I am configures if I download kubuntu edgy - can I continue to upgrade I will I have to burn a new cd later on?
[04:44] <CPrgmSwR2> configures = confused
[04:45] <murchadh> Scythe128: If you right-click on a menu item it should give you the option to "Put in run dialog..", then put sudo or kdesu before the command in the dialog that pops up!
[04:46] <murchadh> Scythe128: Or click the options button of that dialogue, and run as root!
[04:46] <Scythe128> brb, gotta restart x
[04:49] <Omnifrog> what in the world is the /mnt/data tree all about? which file system is real?
[04:50] <intelikey> "<Scythe128> 1anyone here think...should put a sudo command in the menu   2 like right click an item and click runas?"  i thought there was already.  also as to kde menu isn't [alt] +[f2]   or  run command   an option ?
[04:50] <intelikey> Omnifrog mount
[04:51] <intelikey> or cat /proc/mounts
[04:51] <DaSkreech> Scythe128: YOu can do that with Alt+F2
[04:51] <Omnifrog> no, in edgy theres a whole mirror of the root file system located in /mnt/data/
[04:51] <Scythe128> it would be quicker to do it from a contextual menu though
[04:52] <DaSkreech> Scythe128: How?
[04:52] <Omnifrog> # ls /mnt/data
[04:52] <Omnifrog> bin   dev  home  lost+found  mnt  proc  public_html  sbin  success  tmp  var
[04:52] <Omnifrog> boot  etc  lib   media       opt  pub   root         srv   sys      usr
[04:52] <Omnifrog> see ^^^
[04:52] <intelikey> Omnifrog cat /proc/mounts    should tell you what's mounted where
[04:53] <Scythe128> you already have to right click to get the command into the run dialog (I dont have the cli command for every program I would run as root memorized), why not just have it as a menu.. one less step
[04:53] <Omnifrog> i know whats mounted, all 4 drives worth
[04:53] <DaSkreech> Omnifrog: You can mount the same device twice
[04:53] <DaSkreech> That could be what happened
[04:54] <Omnifrog> but why is there a mirror of the root (/) file system in /mnt/data
[04:54] <Omnifrog> whats if for?
[04:54] <intelikey> cause someone thought it was a good idea....
[04:54] <Scythe128> anyone have problems running things using the runcommand as root?  I have had that problem with synaptic, and konquerer
[04:55] <DaSkreech> Omnifrog: Ohh I know why
[04:55] <Omnifrog> for instance, why is alsaconf in /mnt/data/usr/sbin/alsaconf but not in /sbin?
[04:55] <DaSkreech> They hid the file system in Konqueror
[04:55] <intelikey> if i had edgy i'm sure i would umount /mnt/* and rm -r /mnt    but i don't have edgy so i don't need to do that.
[04:55] <Omnifrog> ya, thats really annoying
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Omnifrog: You can disable it
[04:56] <Omnifrog> oh, cool. i will do that. but dealling with these 2 file systems is hurting my brain
[04:57] <intelikey> rm /.hiden ; : > /.hiden      as root      will "unhide" the root system.
[04:57] <Omnifrog> is this more of that upstart nonsence
[04:57] <BluesKaj> I still have several older kernels listed in the grub bootloader on the hda3 partition. Do i need them ?
[04:58] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: No but I thought you would appreciate the older stuff :)
[04:58] <Scythe128> will you boot to them sometime?
[04:58] <Omnifrog> ah, thanks intelikey
[04:58] <BluesKaj> the loader totally ignores tem and loads edgy
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Oh None edgy stuff
[04:58] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, ok :)
[04:59] <Scythe128> are they in the boot menu or just in menu.list
[04:59] <intelikey> Omnifrog upstart   same team i guess.
[05:00] <intelikey> maybe even same guy    idk.
[05:00] <intelikey> !hiden
[05:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hiden - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:00] <intelikey> !hidden
[05:00] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[05:00] <BluesKaj> Scythe128, I tried editing them out but they won't go away ...on the bootup page whatever that is called
[05:00] <DaSkreech> I think it was Seveas that did hidden
[05:01] <BluesKaj> where I can choose between Windows or Linux
[05:01] <Scythe128> are you using a diff. menu.list in your grub configuration?
[05:01] <wilman> 4 days to go
[05:01] <wilman> hehe
[05:02] <wilman> the new beryl
[05:02] <intelikey> BluesKaj /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[05:02] <intelikey> BluesKaj do you have more than one linux installed ?
[05:02] <Scythe128> mae culpa... I have been putting an i in there
[05:03] <intelikey> Scythe128 barrowed my spelling did you ?
[05:03] <intelikey> give it back...
[05:03] <intelikey> :)
[05:03] <BluesKaj> I had dapper and upgraded from the net to edgy ...my linux partition has almost 30G on it ...does that tell you anything ?
[05:04] <Scythe128> not really blueskaj
[05:04] <kent_> hey i accedently got rid of my system icons where it shows armork and any other background runnings apps how do i get it back?
[05:04] <Scythe128> you could have 8 different menu.lst's on there .. it depend on where grub (stage 1??) is pointing
[05:04] <intelikey> BluesKaj why i asked.  you may have more than one grub installed, especally if you have more than one linux   thus editing the menu.lst for the wrong one.....
[05:05] <BluesKaj> well , i have several older kernels in the list at bootup , but only edgy boots up
[05:05] <Scythe128> intel said it better :)
[05:05] <Scythe128> the rest wont boot when you select them?
[05:05] <BluesKaj> no
[05:06] <BluesKaj> well yes , but they boot into edgy
[05:06] <DaSkreech> kent_: What?
[05:07] <Scythe128> hehe, I could never use lilo... grub is sufficient for most.. itll even chain boot itself :)
[05:07] <Scythe128> course the reason I couldnt
[05:07] <intelikey> Scythe128 but it can only boot what bios can boot.
[05:08] <kent_> DaSkreech: you know where it shows you system icons in the lower right i accedently colsed it how do i get it back?
[05:08] <Scythe128> you can use map to modify that a little
[05:08] <BluesKaj> intelikey,, Scythe128, I didn't mean to misguide you ...any of the listed kernels boots into edgy
[05:08] <Scythe128> the reason I cant use lilo is because I dont understand the configs of bootloaders (dont really understand grub either)
[05:09] <abattoir> kent_: rt. click on panel->Add Applet->System Tray
[05:09] <intelikey> BluesKaj see my pm response.   it's still valid.
[05:09] <Scythe128> intel, what could lilo boot that bios cant?  If the system can see it, it can be booted as far as I know
[05:10] <santyago> !    ! )
[05:10] <kent_> abattoir: thanks
[05:10] <intelikey> Scythe128 the system can see it.  but bios can't boot it. and thus grub can't
[05:10] <BluesKaj> intelikey, sorry i don't quite understand what you mean in the pm
[05:10] <abattoir> !ru
[05:10] <ubotu> Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke. Russian users please try #ubuntu-ru, there you may get more help
[05:10] <intelikey> Scythe128 /dev/sda
[05:10] <DaSkreech> abattoir: I don't see a system tray there
[05:10] <snpz> santyago, in english please
[05:10] <abattoir> kent_: no problem :)
[05:10] <abattoir> DaSkreech: ??
[05:11] <abattoir> DaSkreech: because your panel already has it ;)
[05:11] <DaSkreech> abattoir: I was just looking to make sure that's where it is. can I only have one system tray?
[05:11] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:11] <DaSkreech> That seems unKDEish :)
[05:11] <abattoir> DaSkreech: only one per panel, as far as i can remember
[05:11] <abattoir> DaSkreech: you could add another panel ;)
[05:11] <abattoir> and add it to it
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Ah of kourse. More KDeish :)
[05:11] <abattoir> lol
[05:12] <Scythe128> how would you boot that without having drivers loaded?  if the system can see it, then grub can boot it
[05:12] <kent_> how do i make the trash show on desktop so i can remove it from the tray?
[05:13] <ylz> good day, I hope you don't mind helping me
[05:13] <DaSkreech> kent_: add a launcher and point it at trash:/
[05:13] <intelikey> BluesKaj does that help ?
[05:13] <DaSkreech> ylz: Not so far :)
[05:13] <BluesKaj> intelikey, sorry i don't quite understand what you mean in the pm
[05:14] <kent_> DaSkreech: can i make multipul panels with diferent stuff in them on dif sides of the desktop?
[05:14] <DaSkreech> Wejj done
 how would you boot that without having drivers loaded?  if the system can see it, then grub can boot it <<--- false assumption.   bios indeed sees my scsi disk  and if i partition it then bios can boot a partition on it.  but neither bios nor grub can boot the disk  /dev/sda
[05:14] <DaSkreech> kent_: sure
[05:15] <ylz> mplayer should put sound output to arts, but no sound will be played. strange thing is, that other players work and arts-control 'shows' the peak of the sound which should be played by mplayer
[05:15] <Scythe128> intel look at the man for grub.. you can Identify the boot drive.  Can you do it fron there?
[05:15] <ylz> I'm calling mplayer '#mplayer -ao arts blabla.wav'
[05:15] <intelikey> BluesKaj dpkg -l | grep -e 'linux-'   for the list and  sudo apt-get remove <put here the ones you want to remove>
[05:16] <Scythe128> and can you use the --device-map=FILE option to boot scsi?
[05:16] <intelikey> Scythe128 grub can't boot it.
[05:16] <Scythe128> ok
[05:16] <intelikey> Scythe128 it's not possable for grub. it's just too weak.
[05:16] <Scythe128> k
[05:17] <DaSkreech> what happens if you just run mplayer?
[05:17] <Scythe128> is /dev/sda where your lilo is? or do you have that on an ide drive?
[05:18] <ylz> DaSkreech: it finds artsd running and the same thing happens
[05:18] <Scythe128> Im just trying to learn.. gotta figure out how you are doing this :)
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:18] <BluesKaj> whoa , that list is much larger than the boot page list !
[05:18] <DaSkreech> and only mplayer?
[05:19] <ylz> DaSkreech: it shows the basic options ;)
[05:19] <intelikey> if you need to know the reason.  grub psyudo mounts the file system then reads in files using bios as the means to mount it.  bios can't mount the disk  only partitions on the disk.  thus grub fails because of bios.   lilo on the other hand reads a block address using bios   bios sees the disk and can read blocks from it.  thus lilo works and grub doesn't.
[05:19] <intelikey> Scythe128 ^
[05:20] <ebiven> Anyone have any KPilot experience?
[05:20] <Scythe128> sounds greek to me, but it looks techie ;)  got ya
[05:20] <BluesKaj> intelikey, can i remove anything that doesn't have the latest kernel linked to it ?
[05:21] <ylz> DaSkreech: without artsd enabled, it finds SDL as functional output device and this one works
[05:21] <Scythe128> blueskaj, I would just comment it out instead of removing it
[05:21] <intelikey> BluesKaj yes     mmm are you using nvidia ?
[05:21] <DaSkreech> You want to use artsd?
[05:21] <Omnifrog> grrrr
[05:21] <ylz> DaSkreech: yes
[05:21] <DaSkreech> Any reason?
[05:21] <Omnifrog> alsaconf didnt detect any PnP or pci cards
[05:22] <ylz> DaSkreech: multiple sound output
[05:22] <BluesKaj> comment it out , Scythe128 ...how is that done , in kate ?
[05:22] <DaSkreech> Mixing tables? :)
[05:22] <Scythe128> just put a  # infront of the line
[05:22] <intelikey> BluesKaj you are talking about removing the "extra" kernels right ?
[05:22] <BluesKaj> no I'm using ATI
[05:22] <BluesKaj> yup
[05:22] <intelikey> k yes   and yes
[05:23] <intelikey> BluesKaj uname -r    and don't remove that on.
[05:23] <intelikey> one
[05:23] <intelikey> :)
[05:26] <intelikey> BluesKaj basicly if it doesn't ask you to enter  "Yes, do as I say!"   then you are ok.   if it does, you better read the warning first.  and be carefull
[05:27] <muzzle> Isn't it possible to draw directly on a window using gtk-sharp like with Windows.Forms ?
[05:31] <mikearthur> can someone with Java installed USING THE PACKAGE MANAGER type echo $JAVA_HOME in the console for me?
[05:40] <kubuntunote_> hi
[05:40] <kubuntunote_> italiani?
[05:40] <DaSkreech> !it
[05:40] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Grazie!
[05:41] <kubuntunote_> thks
[05:54] <[Relic] > unable to write email to mailbox, seems there is a problem with the new install allowing read write, not sure what to do with it since I think the browser is affected too
[05:54] <DaSkreech> You can't save anything?
[05:55] <[Relic] > won't write mail to the file
[05:55] <[Relic] > assuming because I backup up to a DVD then xfered back once I did first run
[05:55] <wilman> how can i make my screen refresh more then 60 hz
[05:57] <[Relic] > specail is the only thing not set in permissions
[05:58] <icheyne> ebiven, I used Kpilot once
[05:59] <[Relic] > DaSkreech, is there a way to mass switch to read right for the settings?
[06:00] <DaSkreech> [Relic] : Of course :)
[06:00] <DaSkreech> [Relic] : what do you want to do to the files?
[06:01] <ebiven> icheyne: According to the KPilot guys the latest version that went into Debian is broken.  They have me compiling from the svn source.
[06:01] <[Relic] > I will recopy everything over and then I will do that for both the browser and then mail
[06:01] <max_> salut aa pourait m envoye le lien en francais merci
[06:01] <DaSkreech> [Relic] : What are the permissions on the file?
[06:01] <DaSkreech> !fr
[06:01] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:02] <BluesKaj> ok, intelikey, the boot menu is now edited to my liking , thanks
[06:02] <[Relic] > most seem to be read only assuming it did an archive thing when it went to cd/dvd
[06:02] <icheyne> ebiven, oh right well I used it ages ago and it worked for me. Compiling from source is not _that_ bad
[06:02] <DaSkreech> [Relic] : Good assumption
[06:02] <BluesKaj> only the latest kernel listed , along with windows
[06:02] <ebiven> icheyne: Yah, I'm not scared of the source.  :)
[06:03] <DaSkreech> Does anyone know where I get the alias for eth0 from?
[06:03] <icheyne> ebiven, Use the source Luke...
[06:04] <wouf> Hi everyone, I need help, I hava a fresh installation of Kubuntu Edgy Eft on my laptop, I have just installed Automatix and all stuff to read DVD (win32codecs, libdvdcss, libdvdread... )  and a panel of different players (kaffeine, mplayer, xine, ogle, vlc...) but it doesn't work at all...
[06:04] <DaSkreech> !doesnt work
[06:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about doesnt work - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:04] <intelikey> DaSkreech /etc/network/*
[06:05] <DaSkreech> !doesn't work
[06:05] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[06:05] <LjL> wouf, so it's far from a fresh installation
[06:05] <LjL> !automatix
[06:05] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[06:05] <[Relic] > DaSkreech, I just want to set readwrite for the whole directory then so that when I run the progs I will be ok  :)
[06:05] <DaSkreech> [Relic] : chmod -r u+rw ~
[06:06] <wouf> oky bot, I know... but if I have installed automatix it's because my first installation of Edgy Eft without it also failed
[06:07] <[Relic] > cannot access "u+rw" no such file or directory
[06:07] <LjL> ah, like in, if it's broke, break it more?
[06:08] <[Relic] > big R  :)
[06:10] <wouf> LjL: ok so because I just use automatix you won't help me ...
[06:11] <LjL> wouf, no, i won't help you because 1) you've still not explained what the actual problem is except for "doesn't work"  2) i have very few audio/video codecs installed myself  3) i'm watching a movie
[06:11] <DaSkreech> wouf: None of us know what the problem is
[06:12] <ktos> czesc
[06:13] <ktos> ktos z was  korzysta z kdtv?
[06:13] <BluesKaj> hmmm, I can't understand why EDGY is so large , I got rid of 30 programs that i'll never use but it didn't reduce one iota ...it's almost twice larger than the windows footprint ... any ideas ?
[06:13] <fdoving> !pl | ktos
[06:13] <ubotu> ktos: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[06:13] <wouf> LjL: 3 is a good response ;) ... and I will explain the problem, thank you for your attention
[06:13] <ktos> thanks
[06:14] <wouf> DaSkreech: Oky, this is my dmesg when I tri to read a commercial DVD movie :
[06:14] <wouf> [17224128.340000]  Buffer I/O error on device hdb, logical block 52082
[06:14] <wouf> [17224135.332000]  hdb: media error (bad sector): status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[06:14] <wouf> [17224135.332000]  hdb: media error (bad sector): error=0x30 { LastFailedSense=0x03 }
[06:16] <wouf> Kaffeine complain with an error of libdvdcss... but its installed. VLC display the movie with big artefact and green screen... ogle crash
[06:17] <Omnifrog> i guess i'll have to live with the on-board sound for now
[06:17] <Omnifrog> a soundblaster souldnt be this much trouble
[06:18] <wouf> Kafeine error message says that my DVD is crypted, in french "Votre DVD semble crypt. Selon les lois de votre pays, vous pouvez ou non utiliser  libdvdcss  afin de lire ce disque. (Media stream scrambled/encrypted)"
[06:19] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:19] <wouf> and this is the VLC log :
[06:19] <wouf> libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 0.1.9 from http://dvd.sf.net
[06:19] <wouf> libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access
[06:19] <wouf> libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 0.1.9 from http://dvd.sf.net
[06:19] <wouf> libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access
[06:20] <wouf> sory for double paste...
[06:20] <wouf> VLC finaly cras with : spudec decoder error: overflow in SPU next command sequence
[06:20] <wouf> So now, is anybody have an idea ?
[06:21] <zorglu_> too obvious to answer :)
[06:22] <wouf> zorglu_: what "obivous" mean ? (I'm french...)
[06:22] <zorglu_> obvious with the typo, mean 'evident' :)
[06:22] <zorglu_> it was ironic :)
[06:22] <wouf> ok ;)
[06:22] <wouf> so no idea...
[06:23] <wouf> is there a good tutorial to have DVD working on Kubuntu Edgy Eft ?
[06:24] <intelikey> ob-via  to see   the way or path
[06:24] <ylz> wouf: I have no problems with xine and the libdvdcss from the penguin liberation front
[06:24] <wouf> ylz : I also have the PLF libdvdcss... but it still doesn't work...
[06:25] <wilman> what are kpse tools?
[06:26] <Admiral_Chicago_> !kpse
[06:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kpse - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:26] <wouf> ylz: xine complain with the follwing message (i'll try to translate it in english) :
[06:26] <intelikey> obvious in it's usage and from it's roots means to see something as if it was in the path ahead of you.
[06:26] <ylz> wouf: paste it 1:1, I can handle french
[06:26] <intelikey> dictionary of intelikey page 9845.
[06:26] <wouf> ylz: ok
[06:27] <DaSkreech> !info kpse
[06:27] <ubotu> Package kpse does not exist in any distro I know
[06:27] <DaSkreech> !sound blaster
[06:27] <wouf> ylz: Votre DVD semble crypt. Selon les lois de votre pays, vous pouvez ou non utiliser  libdvdcss  afin de lire ce disque. (Media stream scrambled/encrypted)
[06:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sound blaster - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Omnifrog: Have you looked in the forums
[06:28] <zorglu_> wouf: you should install libdvdcss to read it
[06:28] <Omnifrog> ya, it's not making a lot of sence. it should work
[06:28] <zorglu_> !info libdvdcss
[06:28] <ubotu> Package libdvdcss does not exist in any distro I know
[06:28] <zorglu_> !seach css
[06:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seach css - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:28] <wouf> zorglu_: i have already isntalled it
[06:28] <wouf> zorglu_: the one from the PLF
[06:28] <zorglu_> wouf: ok now try to make vlc find it :)
[06:28] <zorglu_> wouf: you dont need to get it from plf i think
[06:29] <wouf> zorglu_: VLC find IT, but xine not.
[06:29] <zorglu_> at least it wasnt the case with dapper
[06:29] <zorglu_> wouf: very strange
[06:29] <ylz> wouf: seems that there is a mixation of libdvdnav and libdvdread. my xine is only reporting: libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access
[06:29] <wouf> zorglu_: yes
[06:29] <wouf> ylz: mine not
[06:29] <ylz> wouf: please open xine from a console and tell, what the output to the console is
[06:30] <wouf> ylz: my xine report it  !
[06:30] <wouf> ylz: libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access
[06:30] <wouf> ylz: it's the xine output...
[06:31] <wouf> ylz: Xine fouds the libdvdcss and then found the 4 VTS of the movie... but then crash complaining the above message
[06:31] <wouf> ylz: its really strange...
[06:33] <ylz> yes, in deed
[06:34] <zorglu_> wouf: it does that with every dvd ?
[06:34] <zorglu_> i would say it may be an specific issue to this dvd
[06:34] <wouf> zorglu_: yes I have tested it with 8 commercial DVD
[06:34] <zorglu_> and the error message may be bogus
[06:35] <zorglu_> ok, and this dvd drive has already worked ?
[06:35] <wouf> yes ;)
[06:35] <wouf> with my dapper :(
[06:35] <zorglu_> sorry no idea
[06:36] <DaSkreech> did you try a purge and reinstall teh dvdcss?
[06:36] <wouf> yes
[06:36] <DaSkreech> oh
[06:37] <wouf> DaSkreech: I will try it again now to check.
[06:39] <wouf> DaSkreech: Ok, purged, log of xine aggred : libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable
[06:39] <wouf> DaSkreech: I reinstall it now
[06:39] <ylz> alsa tries to open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p but that one doesn't exist. There is only pcmC1D0p
[06:40] <wouf> DaSkreech: do I need the dev package of libdvdccss ?
[06:41] <ylz> hm... making a symlink works, now alsa plays sound
[06:41] <wouf> DaSkreech, ylz : purging failed, I have the same error message after reinstallation...
[06:41] <arriesp> hi
[06:42] <DaSkreech> ylz: :-)
[06:43] <wouf> DaSkreech, ylz : Thanks for your help, I will google it again and again... :(
[06:44] <DaSkreech> wouf: Checked the forums?
[06:44] <Admiral_Chicago> wouf: might also want to check out the forums
[06:44] <DaSkreech> I win :)
[06:44] <wouf> I checked many forums but no good answers...
[06:44] <Admiral_Chicago> DaSkreech: this round...
[06:45] <ylz> what the hell is a 'conexant cx8811'?
[06:45] <josesito> ever since i upgraded to edgy i can't hear any mp3 in amarok, noatun or juk, but i can still hear them in xmms
[06:46] <josesito> i've got all restringed formats' codecs installed, can someone help me with that?
[06:46] <Admiral_Chicago> josesito: do you have libxine-extracodecs installed? ah you do.
[06:46] <DaSkreech> josesito: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[06:46] <DaSkreech> I think that it has more dependecies in edgy
[06:46] <zerak> ylz it is for your tv-card i think (u got one ? )
[06:47] <josesito> i have it installed
[06:47] <ylz> zerak: thank you, it is
[06:47] <Admiral_Chicago> try sudo dpkg--recofigure libxine-extracodecs
[06:48] <Admiral_Chicago> reconfigure*
[06:48] <josesito> it still says command not found (with reconfigure)
[06:48] <DaSkreech> wouf: do you have a /home parition?
[06:49] <wouf> It works ! 4 days working on this stupid libdvdcss, migrating from dapper, reintalling edgy...
[06:49] <DaSkreech> josesito: no --
[06:49] <DaSkreech> just-
[06:49] <josesito> oh ok
[06:49] <wouf> DaSkreech: yes I have it, and it was the problem !
[06:49] <Admiral_Chicago> ah my bad
[06:49] <DaSkreech> wouf: What was the problem?
[06:50] <wouf> DaSkreech: I had to delete my .dvdcss folder
[06:50] <DaSkreech> wouf: Ah the purge didn't work
[06:50] <wouf> DaSkreech: Maybe because my home partition hasn't changed since my dapper
[06:50] <josesito> Admiral_Chicago, done...but it still doesn't work
[06:51] <Admiral_Chicago> pstree in the konsole, is anything using xine?
[06:52] <josesito> amarok uses xine
[06:52] <josesito> wait
[06:52] <Admiral_Chicago> that is the only process using it?
[06:52] <josesito> no, actually no process is using xine
[06:52] <Lam_> !ftp
[06:52] <ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[06:52] <Lam_> neat. konqueror is an ftp client?
[06:52] <Tm_T> Lam_: Sure.
[06:53] <Lam_> err. am i able to send stuff to a server using konqueror though?
[06:53] <Tm_T> Lam_: Sure.
[06:53] <Lam_> neat, thanks
[06:53] <DaSkreech> Konqueror is everything but a date matching service
[06:53] <zerak> ylz having sound problem?
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Had to keep something for KDE4
[06:54] <wouf> DaSkreech, ylz : Thank u again for your help... it was really a stupid bug... I still dont understand what libdvdcss store in this little folder but now it works...
[06:55] <DaSkreech> wouf: Sure no problem :)
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Glad to keep you happy
[06:55] <Tm_T> Hmm what's best command to check version of ubuntu system?
[06:55] <Tm_T> Can't remember that one.
[06:55] <Admiral_Chicago> Tm_T: just go to about ubuntu
[06:56] <DaSkreech> I Just cat /etc/issue
[06:56] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: Thanks, that's what I was loonking for.
[06:57] <Tm_T> Admiral_Chicago: Thanks, I never knew that. ;)
[06:57] <DaSkreech> Till death do you part
[06:57] <DaSkreech> Or at least a hotter younger fawn swings by
[06:57] <wouf> :)
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: Where is about kubuntu?
[06:58] <wouf> how many month before new problems (festy fawn) ?
[06:58] <DaSkreech> !schedule
[06:58] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Feisty Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[06:59] <wouf> great bot !
[06:59] <Admiral_Chicago> DaSkreech: i thought there was one in the help menu, but i guess not
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: That's KDE
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know :)
[06:59] <Admiral_Chicago> i know that now
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Drat. That's Half of hte next battle I plan to win!
[06:59] <DaSkreech> !eol
[06:59] <ubotu> eol is End-of-life, the point where security updates stop. Hoary will be EOL in october 2006, Breezy in april 2007 and Dapper in june 2011
[07:01] <Admiral_Chicago> DaSkreech: in the help menu, there is about Kubuntu
[07:02] <CVirus> june 2011 ?
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Yes but I don't thik that counts as the fastest way
[07:02] <DaSkreech> LTS :)
[07:02] <arriesp> xao gent
[07:02] <CVirus> what is that ?
[07:02] <DaSkreech> !LTS
[07:02] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[07:02] <CVirus> ah
[07:02] <DaSkreech> !botsnack
[07:02] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:03] <zorglu_> !edgy
[07:03] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Ah you are kidding me :(
[07:04] <DaSkreech> You can't make a folder in Konqueror without the mouse?
[07:11] <Admiral_Chicago> DaSkreech: i don't like Konqui
[07:11] <Admiral_Chicago> i middle click to close tabs
[07:12] <DaSkreech> ha ha yeah
[07:12] <DaSkreech> then I quit using the mouse. Now I can't make a folder without one
[07:13] <Admiral_Chicago> that should be a critical feature request, it gets into the idea of accesibility
[07:14] <Lam_> damn, konqueror functions nice as an ftp client
[07:14] <Admiral_Chicago> DaSkreech: i'd put it on LP and link omgponiezlol to the page
[07:15] <Admiral_Chicago> that's my nick in my room, IRC is going nuts over there
[07:15] <DaSkreech> Your room?
[07:16] <Admiral_Chicago> DaSkreech: i'm on  a live CD right now and not at my home compy
[07:17] <Admiral_Chicago> it's so cool, i come to the physics private room, boot up Kubuntu Live, eat lunch and stay online
[07:17] <Admiral_Chicago> bbl
[07:24] <Tm_T> !pastebin
[07:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:25] <n1kt0>        ?
[07:26] <Lynoure> n1kt0: lots of wovels there.
[07:28] <Danker> Hi
[07:28] <Danker> How to minimize X application?
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Danker: All of them?
[07:30] <Lynoure> Danker: there are many ways, depending on your settings.
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Woah that's sad :) I'm downloading from http://www.peteteo.com/commons and the share ratio is nan :)
[07:30] <Danker> One window
[07:30] <Lynoure> Danker: right-click on the title bar and then choose minimise from the menu
[07:30] <Danker> Game window :)
[07:30] <Danker> No
[07:31] <DaSkreech> Danker: try Alt+F3 and then ... oh Game
[07:31] <DaSkreech> Umm
[07:31] <Lynoure> Which game, by the way?
[07:33] <Danker> Enemy teritory
[07:33] <Danker> sorry for english mistakes :(
[07:33] <DaSkreech> No problem
[07:33] <DaSkreech> German?
[07:34] <Lynoure> Danker: you so did not google for the solution, did you? =)
[07:35] <DaSkreech> Lynoure: Ha ha Use Standard english for non english speakers at least :0
[07:36] <DaSkreech>  Sarcasm is hard enough to get across on IRC :)
[07:36] <Danker> Naaah
[07:36] <Danker> Thought that on IRC will be faster :D
[07:36] <Danker> I am from lithuania
[07:36] <Lynoure> DaSkreech: I'm non-native myself :)
[07:36] <Danker> I have learned german too, but i am weak at it :)
[07:37] <BluesKaj> Baltic state!
[07:37] <DaSkreech> I was just guessing  :)
[07:37] <Lynoure> Danker: try   minimize enemy territory linux  the answer should pretty much jump at you
[07:37] <Lynoure> DaSkreech: But I have been speaking English at home for 6 years now... :)
[07:38] <Bewbie> Hi all, is there a new nvidia driver atm?
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Get out!
[07:38] <Danker> Ya
[07:38] <DaSkreech> There is one at the nvidia site
[07:38] <Danker> What do think about lithuanians in yuor country?
[07:38] <Danker> your*
[07:39] <Danker> Do people think that they ar smuglers?
[07:39] <BluesKaj> my country ?
[07:39] <Danker> Where are you from?
[07:39] <Lynoure> DaSkreech: well, I do not speak Dutch and he speaks very little Finnish and near-native English, so we are stuck with that until one of us learns a new language properly :)
[07:40] <Lynoure> Danker: Why would they think that?
[07:40] <BluesKaj> <--- Canada, ...born in finland of swedish heritage
[07:40] <Lynoure> Hmph, have to go, stores close in 20mit here
[07:41] <BluesKaj> cool
[07:41] <Danker> Because from time to time i hear that lithuanians are doing bad things in other countries
[07:41] <Dr_willis> Hmm. MintLinux :)
[07:41] <Danker> Yea
[07:41] <ent3rman> hi
[07:41] <Dr_willis> http://linuxmint.com/
[07:41] <Danker> Finntroll rocks && rules :)
[07:42] <Dr_willis> yet another ubuntu spinoff it seems
[07:42] <BluesKaj> <---old guy , emmigrated to canada in 1947 at the age of 4.
[07:42] <Dr_willis> Linux Mint is an Ubuntu-based distribution whose goal is to provide a more complete out-of-the-box experience by including browser plugins, media codecs, support for DVD playback, Java and other components. It is compatible with Ubuntu software repositories.
[07:42] <BluesKaj> never heard anything negative about lithuanians
[07:42] <vikke> uhm, could someone tell me how i install 32 bit firefox on my amd64 kubuntu?, what libraries i need and such
[07:42] <ent3rman> jest tu jakis polak?
[07:42] <ent3rman> jest tu jakis polak?
[07:42] <ent3rman> jest tu jakis polak?
[07:42] <Danker> Then good :)
[07:42] <Lynoure> !pl
[07:42] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[07:42] <BluesKaj> !pl
[07:43] <DaSkreech> !eol > Daskreech
[07:44] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, is Linux Mint as up to date as Edgy ?
[07:45] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Check it's website
[07:46] <Danker> http://www.truecombatelite.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2975&highlight=minimize
[07:46] <Danker> Still nothing good...
[07:46] <Danker> Hack way...
[07:46] <BluesKaj> bummer , latest Linux mint uses gnome desktop :(
[07:47] <DaSkreech> Of course
[07:47] <Danker> And because KDE is better we wont use it :D
[07:47] <Danker> Of course there is apt-get :D
[07:47] <wouterh> hi all, i have a question: is there a way to make the keyboard layout used by kdm selectable?
[07:50] <icheyne> has anyone used the fish shell? is it any good?
[07:51] <DaSkreech> !info fish
[07:51] <ubotu> fish: a friendly interactive shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.21.12-1 (edgy), package size 631 kB, installed size 2560 kB
[07:51] <DaSkreech> Ah of course
[07:51] <BluesKaj> can a one migrate from edgy to Linux mint , without having to a clean install ?
[07:51] <BluesKaj> to do
[07:51] <DaSkreech> I doubt it if Mint is not supported which since it ships with banned packages I'm sure it is
[07:52] <BluesKaj> ahh...banned in the US , i bet
[07:53] <DaSkreech> Well banned somehwere
[07:54] <DaSkreech> LCD is a killer
[07:54] <vikke> uhm, could someone tell me how i install 32 bit firefox on my amd64 kubuntu?, what libraries i need and such
[07:55] <xwolf-> why does kdm keep ignoring numlock even after i have edited /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc to 'NumLock=On'?
[07:55] <DaSkreech> what device does eth0 really point to?
[08:00] <BluesKaj> vikke, are you running 64 or 32bit kubuntu ?
[08:00] <vikke> BluesKaj: 64 bit
[08:00] <wouterh> let me rephrase my question: I have multiple users which use different keyboard layouts. Can I let the user select a keyboard layout at the kdm login screen?
[08:00] <BluesKaj> FF should be in the repos
[08:01] <JonJ> Has anyone successfully synced a Nokia 6131 over bluetooth? I can receive files from it, but I cannot send files, sync contacts, or anything, really. It does not even appear in kdes bluetooth obex client
[08:01] <vikke> BluesKaj: isnt it 64 bit firefox im installing through that?
[08:02] <TheMole> JonJ: Have you tried pairing the devices?
[08:03] <JonJ> TheMole: I'm sorry, what? Pairing the devices?
[08:03] <BluesKaj> why not use 64bit FF ?
[08:04] <TheMole> From the phone, tried to pair the device with the computer. Bluetooth devices usually need pairing before you can sync. I know I have to do that with my Nokia n73.
[08:04] <TheMole> Although it's still flakey under kbluetooth and under Windows for that matter.
[08:04] <wouterh> BluesKaj: my guess: there is no 64-bit flash plugin
[08:06] <JonJ> Hm, the phone is asking me about a password, I'm assuming it should have appeared on my computer
[08:07] <Danker> There isnt
[08:07] <Danker> How to address my message to someone?
[08:08] <Danker> In IRC
[08:08] <Danker> Here
[08:08] <Danker> Using Konversation
[08:09] <TheMole> JonJ: the password is usually 1234
[08:09] <TheMole> It should then say "devices paired" or "pair failed"
[08:09] <ent3rman> or 00000000
[08:09] <JonJ> TheMole: Thanks, I got it working!
[08:09] <murchadh> Danker: Start typing their nick and press tab
[08:09] <TheMole> No problem.
[08:09] <TheMole> I have spent many hours trying to get bluetooth to actually work properly.
[08:09] <Danker> TheMole: Hi
[08:10] <Danker> Nice :)
[08:10] <fadey> Danker: Hi
[08:10] <Danker> Cool
[08:10] <TheMole> Danker: Hi.
[08:10] <Danker> fadey: Hi
[08:10] <Danker> It rocks :)
[08:11] <Danker> claydoh: hi
[08:11] <Danker> :)
[08:11] <Danker> Bye
[08:11] <claydoh> heh
[08:12] <magical_trevsky> does anyone know if kpresenter can save files as .ppt, and if so, how reliably?
[08:14] <xwolf-> why does kdm keep ignoring numlock even after i have edited /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc to 'NumLock=On'?
[08:15] <patlkli> invitado, have you restarted kdm? if not, do that ;-)
[08:16] <DaSkreech> magical_trevsky: use impress?
[08:16] <magical_trevsky> DaSkreech, I am, was just wondering if there were any alternatives
[08:16] <|sparr|> where does kde get the icons for windows in the pager?
[08:17] <murchadh> !kpresenter
[08:17] <ubotu> kpresenter: a presentation program for the KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1235 kB, installed size 3940 kB
[08:19] <patlkli> magical_trevsky, KPresenter can't save as .ppt ? I thought so...
[08:20] <jg_> evening all
[08:20] <magical_trevsky> patlkli, ok, thanks :)
[08:20] <argento> I would like to open compressed files with protocols but when I click a zip file Ark opens
[08:20] <patlkli> magical_trevsky, hmm, i looked in now, it can't, sorry
[08:21] <argento> how can I associate zipped files with the zip:/ protocol in konqueror?
[08:21] <patlkli> magical_trevsky, but it could be, that there is a plug-in or something... ;-)
[08:21] <magical_trevsky> I wish ms office would support opendocument so I wouldn't have to worry about stuff like this when I want to show a presentation on someone else's machine :(
[08:22] <Meekus> I am trying to set up LDAP client here on a machine.  Giving me issues.  I was wondering if someone knew the log file to check to see what the actual errors are?
[08:23] <Meekus> I am trying to authenticate against an LDAP server I should mention
[08:24] <patlkli> magical_trevsky, maybe MS will include OpenDocument support after this Novell + Microsoft story :-)
[08:24] <argento> what's the default in edgy? Are zipped files opened with ArK or with the zip:/ protocol in konqueror?
[08:25] <nixbox> how do i install opera browser?
[08:26] <nixbox> i have done sudo apt-cache search opera, but i cant find it there, i have looked in add/remove programs as well.
[08:26] <sparrw> Where does KDE get the icons for windows in the pager?
[08:26] <DaSkreech> From the .Desktop File I think
[08:26] <DaSkreech> Ark
[08:26] <DaSkreech> !opera | nixbox
[08:26] <ubotu> nixbox: opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[08:27] <Tm_T> sparrw: It uses normal app icons IIRC, those are defined in .desktop files AND actual icons are in /usr/share/icons or so.
[08:27] <murchadh> patlkli: Presentation in Openoffice seems to be what you need!
[08:27] <sparrw> Tm_T: how does it know which icon goes with which app?  I ask because I have one app that should have an icon but doesnt
[08:28] <patlkli> murchadh, i need nothing
[08:28] <patlkli> murchadh, magical_trevsky needs to save as ppt
[08:28] <patlkli> magical_trevsky, right, why don't you make your presentations with OpenOffice.org?
[08:28] <murchadh> patlkli: Sorry, That was for magical_trevsky!
[08:29] <Tm_T> sparrw: Well, as I said, app Whatever provides whatever.desktop file that points whatever.png icon to be used with it.
[08:29] <patlkli> murchadh, NO PROBLEM ;-)
[08:29] <murchadh> magical_trevsky: Presentation in Openoffice seems to be what you need!
[08:29] <magical_trevsky> murchadh, yeah, I'm using it :D
[08:30] <magical_trevsky> it's just the example presentations on the koffice website look cool, and I was wondering if I could use it to make ppt files, but looks like I can't!
[08:30] <Tm_T> sparrw: If that is not the case, you can create desktop file yourself, look them from /usr/share/applications/kde/ for example
[08:30] <magical_trevsky> I think I may just make an html presentation though
[08:30] <sparrw> Tm_T: ok, the app in question is thunderbird.  /usr/share/applications/mozilla-thunderbird.desktop lists the icon as mozilla-thunderbird-menu and i have /usr/share/pixmaps/mozilla-thunderbird-menu.[png/xpm/svg] .  thunderbird has an icon on my K menu, but not in my pager
[08:30] <patlkli> magical_trevsky, maybe there is a way to use the KOffice (KPresenter) - Templates with OpenOffice.org
[08:31] <Tm_T> sparrw: Hmm, then hard to tell, maybe it uses xpm or some other format it can't rescale.
[08:31] <probolone> please , help me i can not install ati xpress 200 in dapper,
[08:31] <DaSkreech> !ati
[08:31] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:31] <probolone> there is not any manual in web for ati x200
[08:34] <probolone> thank ubotu
[08:35] <patlkli> magical_trevsky, i have a solution
[08:36] <magical_trevsky> patlkli, :O
[08:36] <patlkli> a bit difficult, but should work
[08:36] <probolone> ubotu , in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto there is not a solution for ati x 200 in dapper
[08:36] <patlkli> magical_trevsky, open one of the templates in KPresenter and save it under a OpenDocument Presentation
[08:37] <magical_trevsky> patlkli, that's a good idea :D thanks!
[08:37] <patlkli> magical_trevsky, and then you open this OpenDocument file with OpenOffice.org, so you can use the templates
[08:37] <CPrgmSwR2> wow kubuntu edgy is really nicwe
[08:38] <CPrgmSwR2> Its so smooth and mature
[08:38] <patlkli> magical_trevsky, maybe you can move the files to OpenOffice' templates and move it to its template directory
[08:38] <patlkli> CPrgmSwR2, yes, really... ;-)
[08:38] <DaSkreech> probolone: ubotu is a robot
[08:39] <magical_trevsky> patlkli, yeah, i'll try.. just need to get koffice installed first :p Thanks for all of your help!
[08:39] <DaSkreech> That website doesnt help?
[08:39] <CPrgmSwR2> I am just new to linux and love the change
[08:39] <DaSkreech> Welcome
[08:39] <patlkli> magical_trevsky, no problem, i was happy to help you ;-)
[08:40] <probolone> DaSkreech?
[08:41] <patlkli> CPrgmSwR2, it's nicer than SuSE and doesn't take so long to boot...
[08:41] <DaSkreech> Did you install the driver as noted on the website?
[08:43] <teacaddy> !bot
[08:43] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:43] <probolone> i am in #kubuntu-es chanel , a friend have a problem with compac pc, the repositories no funtion on ati driver  can not open DRI
[08:43] <DaSkreech> No one in the -es channel is helping you?
[08:43] <CPrgmSwR2> That is the amazing thing is how fast it boots
[08:43] <CPrgmSwR2> the first time took the longest
[08:44] <CPrgmSwR2> how well does kubuntu work on an old computer
[08:44] <DaSkreech> Well enough
[08:45] <DaSkreech> You may ned to tune it down
[08:45] <DaSkreech> RAM is important
[08:45] <patlkli> CPrgmSwR2, i tried it on a really old K6 machine and it worked (Dapper)
[08:45] <probolone> in kubuntu chanel spanish can not the solution
[08:45] <CPrgmSwR2> because my friend has an old 866 mhz intel pentium 3 processor
[08:45] <patlkli> Yes, i put in much RAM (512MB) in that old machine, then it worked
[08:45] <CPrgmSwR2> He screwed his windows up by putting to much on it
[08:46] <CPrgmSwR2> thats what its got 512MB of ram
[08:46] <patlkli> CPrgmSwR2, oh, that's really fast against a K6, on that machine it should work perfectly
[08:46] <probolone> but, there is not a solution for this problem?
[08:47] <patlkli> probolone, google maybe?
[08:47] <CPrgmSwR2> is there a way to run itunes on linux?
[08:47] <TheGateKeeper> can KDE automatically go to the next virtual desktop when you move the mouse to left or right of the screen?
[08:47] <CPrgmSwR2> yeah it should work
[08:47] <smaggard> no this is impossible
[08:47] <patlkli> CPrgmSwR2, i don't think iTunes directly, but..
[08:47] <CPrgmSwR2> nevermind it doesn't
[08:48] <CPrgmSwR2> well my freind has a bunch of itune songs is why I ask
[08:48] <fildo> morning
[08:48] <CPrgmSwR2> so is there a way he can play them
[08:49] <TheGateKeeper> smaggard: not impossible enlightenment & fvwm both do
[08:49] <patlkli> CPrgmSwR2, have you "googled" already?
[08:50] <intelikey> had this error  " server irc.freenode.net: Connection refused "    heh phone was off the hook.....
[08:51] <Lam_> anyone else find the calender (when you click the time at the bottom right) to be a little weird? i'm using to having sunday on the left side of monday
[08:51] <CPrgmSwR2> yeah I just did
[08:51] <CPrgmSwR2> it says I have to use crossover office
[08:52] <intelikey> Lam_ yes.  i don't know who thought they would change the order of the days but, it's plain stupid imo.   you can adjust it back to correct tho
[08:52] <Lam_> intelikey: how do i do that?
[08:52] <patlkli> CPrgmSwR2, yes, CrossOver Office is a commercial (costs something) program like Wine but for running Word, Excel, IE and  so on
[08:52] <intelikey> Lam_ right click on the clock and choose preferances
[08:54] <red_> ola
[08:54] <Lam_> intelikey: ah ok. i found it. thanks
[08:54] <intelikey> np
[08:54] <red_> el ordenador no me deja pasar de la identificain en kubuntu
[08:54] <intelikey> !es
[08:54] <icheyne> probolone, try this http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide
[08:54] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[08:55] <zeeo> hey i'm looking for a better vnc server for kubuntu the one that comees with seems to be realy slow
[08:55] <zeeo> over the network
[08:55] <markelhas> need help to config a kubuntu to use p2p client, anyone expert in router problems and p2p clients?
[08:55] <zeeo> over 1gbit network its slow
[08:55] <TheGateKeeper> zeeo: use freenx server & nxclient
[08:56] <zeeo> ok thx will check it out
[08:56] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper:hi , everything ok! can u help me out?
[08:56] <smaggard> <<< agrees with GateKeeper
[08:56] <patlkli> markelhas, what p2p -client? (p2p = evil)
[08:56] <intelikey> tightvncserver
[08:56] <probolone> icheyne: thank you
[08:57] <smaggard> freenx has REALLY good compression
[08:57] <smaggard> even dialup users dont complain
[08:57] <icheyne> probolone, de nada
[08:57] <zeeo> well i'm over 1 gibit network i don't care about that
[08:57] <zeeo> the stock one is just slow
[08:57] <zeeo> on cpu etc
[08:57] <iarwain> hi, does anyone know how to add a irc-server to Konversation?
[08:57] <zeeo> it seems
[08:57] <markelhas> patlkli: p2p client like ktorrent or amule
[08:57] <probolone> jaja , icheyne
[08:57] <zeeo> its a fast system and its still feels realy slow
[08:58] <zeeo> just find out what ports its using
[08:58] <zeeo> netstat
[08:58] <zeeo> and open them ports in router
[08:58] <zeeo> use nat to route the ip to your system
[08:58] <zeeo> runing p2p
[08:58] <probolone> XD, icheyne me has dejao de piedra jejeje
[08:58] <sparrw> Tm_T: kvirc works with the pager, and it has usr/share/icons/blah/blah.[png/svgz] 
[08:58] <markelhas> patlkli: i've config my router with the forwd of the ports but awalays slow connection
[08:58] <zeeo> can i get freenx with apt-get
[08:58] <patlkli> markelhas, well, i don't know, sorry
[08:58] <markelhas> patlkli: same router config with windows and p2p client works fine
[08:59] <probolone> icheyne pasate por: #kubuntu-es
[08:59] <markelhas> patlkli: :/
[08:59] <markelhas> patlkli: oki
[08:59] <patlkli> markelhas, maybe firewall or something like that? :-P
[08:59] <murchadh> magical_trevsky: Use koffice to create presentation, save it as either OASIS, or Openoffice. Then if Powerpoint can't open the OASIS format (xml I think) use Openoffice to open your masterpiece and save it as a Powerpoint File! Clunky, but you'll only be using Openoffice as a file converter - so there's gotta be a better way.
[08:59] <markelhas> patlkli: ok
[08:59] <zeeo> nm i found a .deb
[08:59] <dhq> fdoving: hey
[08:59] <dhq> fdoving: how do i mount my windows partition in linux
[08:59] <Kai-> hey, i was banned on my home connection a few weeks back for join/quit/ping timeout spam because my connection went haywire. can someone remove it?
[08:59] <dhq> !mount
[08:59] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[09:00] <patlkli> !bot
[09:00] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:01] <Tm_T> sparrw: Yup, png is good format.
[09:02] <Tm_T> sparrw: Check from app.desktop file what icon is defined there.
[09:03] <Lam_> how do i get mozilla-mplayer installed without mplayer or it's associated packages? (i self-compiled my own mplayer)
[09:05] <flixh> somebody who knows how to disable the automounting of removeable media in kde 3.5.5 (edgy) ?
[09:07] <patlkli> Lam_, http://downloads.sourceforge.net/mplayerplug-in/mplayerplug-in-3.31.tar.gz?modtime=1156752322&big_mirror=0
[09:07] <Search4Lancer> alright, here's a problem
[09:07] <Lam_> patlkli: thanks
[09:07] <patlkli> Lam_, that's the source of the mozilla mplayer-plugin
[09:07] <patlkli> Lam_, no problem
[09:08] <Search4Lancer> all the fun little icons for sound, kopete, amarok, etc next to the clock, they used to stack, one on top of the other.... now they don't, and as such they're taking up about 1/3 of the width of the screen
[09:09] <yeti> some program i need wants libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3, is that the same as libstdc++.so.6, so can i just create a symlink?
[09:09] <patlkli> Search4Lancer, maybe "[CTRL]  + [+]  / [-] 
[09:10] <patlkli> yeti, hmm, wait a moment, i give you a command
[09:10] <patlkli> one second
[09:11] <sparrw> Tm_T: like i said before, mozilla-thunderbird-menu
[09:11] <Search4Lancer> patlkli, what you said makes little sense and performs even less
[09:12] <patlkli> Search4Lancer, then you have changed the KDE settings
[09:12] <Search4Lancer> no, I haven't
[09:12] <Tm_T> sparrw: Well, check that.
[09:12] <Search4Lancer> I upgraded to 6.10 last night and this is how it came out
[09:12] <colleverde> www.msn.com
[09:12] <adz21c> yeti:i think you will find thats not the same file
[09:12] <sparrw> Tm_T: i have /usr/share/app-install/icons/mozilla-thunderbird-menu.png and /usr/share/pixmaps/mozilla-thunderbird-menu.png but no /usr/share/icons/*
[09:13] <colleverde> www.msn.com
[09:13] <yeti> adz21c: it's not, i tried... in what package will i find libstdc++-libc?
[09:13] <khirr> is solaris of java?
[09:14] <adz21c> yeti: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=libstdc%2B%2B-libc6.2-2.so.3&arch=i386&version=edgy&searchmode=searchfilesanddirs&case=insensitive
[09:14] <adz21c> yeti: i assume ur i386
[09:14] <Lynoure> khirr: hmm? Both Solaris and Java are of Sun.
[09:15] <khirr> thanks
[09:17] <Search4Lancer> ......
[09:17] <sparrw> this did not fix the problem:  cp /usr/share/pixmaps/mozilla-thunderbird-menu.png /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/
[09:19] <kay> maybe someone can help me
[09:19] <kay>  search a site where i can draw
[09:19] <kay> online
[09:19] <kay> and a friend can see it
[09:19] <kay> anyone an idea
[09:20] <adz21c> yeti: much luck?
[09:20] <yeti> adz21c: thanks, worked :))
[09:21] <adz21c> yeti:  good stuff, in future when u can't find a package go to konqueror or something and put in apt:/ that has an online search :-)
[09:21] <kay> http://www.imaginationcubed.com/LaunchPage
[09:22] <sparrw> if it helps, the icon that i am missing is the one in the top left corner of the window too
[09:24] <ubuntu> hello
[09:24] <ubuntu> can someone help me to sove a problem_
[09:25] <milan>  Channel modes: topic protection, no messages from outside, no colors allowed, LOL
[09:25] <adz21c> ask n see who answers :-)
[09:26] <sparrw> Can anyone verify that Mozilla Thunderbird does [not?]  have its icon in the top left corner of its window when installed from its package?
[09:27] <ubuntu> i just installed edgz and after reboot a getting error 21 while loading grub
[09:30] <sparrw> found the problem, already-reported bug.
[09:32] <wojtas7> hello.
[09:33] <Riddell> everyone welcome easyrider1!
[09:33] <easyrider1> hi all!
[09:33] <Tm_T> Welcome! :)
[09:33] <Tm_T> Moin, terve, hola etc. :p
[09:34] <easyrider1> I was hoping that someone could help me get java installed on the computer and in Firefox.
[09:34] <Strelban41> Hello, Hola, etc. :)
[09:34] <_KiKo_> ola buenas
[09:34] <_KiKo_> tengo un problema
[09:34] <_KiKo_> sobre las particiones
[09:34] <_KiKo_> T_T
[09:34] <adz21c> ubuntu: http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/lfs-support/2005-March/026477.html
[09:35] <_KiKo_> alguien me puede ayudar?
[09:35] <migol> hi people
[09:35] <adz21c> ubuntu: hope thats useful
[09:35] <locutus_> hallo leute
[09:35] <Tm_T> _KiKo_: You should speak english here, thanks.
[09:35] <Maddin> hi
[09:35] <easyrider1> gr locutus
[09:36] <riz_> ciao ragazzi
[09:36] <easyrider1> Ok who has J Run Environment installed?
[09:36] <riz_> c' qualcuno che mi pu dare una mano con ubuntu?
[09:36] <easyrider1> and how did you do it?
[09:36] <calabaza> _KiKo_, #ubuntu-es
[09:37] <migol> easyrider1: enable yourself multiverse repositories
[09:37] <abattoir_> !it
[09:37] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:37] <easyrider1> how is this done?  I just installed Kubuntu last saturday
[09:38] <abattoir> !multiverse
[09:38] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:38] <abattoir> easyrider1: ^^^^
[09:38] <abattoir> !java
[09:38] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[09:38] <abattoir> that one too
[09:38] <Tm_T> abattoir: :)
[09:38] <migol> !Multiverse
[09:38] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:39] <abattoir> hi Tm_T :)
[09:40] <easyrider1> abattoir, this is done where?
[09:40] <easyrider1> Muiltiverse, etc
[09:40] <abattoir> easyrider1: click the links, it is self explanatory
[09:40] <easyrider1> oh ok
[09:40] <abattoir> easyrider1: if you don't understand something there, ask me
[09:40] <Search4Lancer> all the fun little icons for sound, kopete, amarok, etc next to the clock, they used to stack, one on top of the other.... now they don't, and as such they're taking up about 1/3 of the width of the screen
[09:40] <easyrider1> cool
[09:40] <abattoir> *they are self...
[09:41] <easyrider1> ty
[09:41] <easyrider1> brb
[09:41] <abattoir> yw
[09:42] <abattoir> Search4Lancer: you changed the size of the panel?
[09:42] <Search4Lancer> no, I haven't changed a thing, I ugraded to 6.10 last night and that's it
[09:42] <faderhval> hiya people :)
[09:43] <flixh> anybody here who knows how to get rid of the kde automount of removable devices?
[09:43] <Search4Lancer> changing the size from normal to large makes it do what I want, but also makes everything else disgustingly large
[09:43] <faderhval> i downloaded a driver for my gfx card from ATI it comes in rpm package how do i install it?
[09:43] <abattoir> Search4Lancer: ok, try 'killall kicker' , 'rm ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc' followed by 'kicker' in a terminal
[09:44] <abattoir> faderhval: does that page not have a .deb package?
[09:44] <Search4Lancer> abattoir: I got it by changing the size to custom and fiddling with it
[09:44] <faderhval> doesnt seem that way no :(
[09:44] <abattoir> flixh: iirc, it depends on what you chose the first time when the KDE media daemon popup comes up.
[09:44] <abattoir> Search4Lancer: oh ok
[09:45] <abattoir> faderhval: hmm, i guess you can use alien to convert the rpm to deb, but be warned, it might cause problems
[09:45] <abattoir> !alien
[09:45] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[09:45] <SimiGodBeOs> wow you able to sill install rpm's
[09:46] <abattoir> SimiGodBeOs: yes, but not *all* RPMs, many will still fail
[09:46] <SimiGodBeOs> with 3 party app
[09:46] <ne78> How does the Volume-up/down keys are handled in kubuntu edgy eft ? What is the name of the program used ?
[09:47] <faderhval> abattoir: how do i install drivers for my gfx card then i'm going nuts in 1024*768
[09:47] <abattoir> !ati
[09:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:47] <SimiGodBeOs> i can't seem to update my liunx , i can't go online, i try to use apt manger. it sill wants to download files from the net
[09:47] <abattoir> faderhval: looked at that?
[09:47] <|lostbyte|> ne78, kmix
[09:48] <SimiGodBeOs> how to work around this?
[09:48] <faderhval> no but i will ^^
[09:48] <|lostbyte|> !apt-cdrom
[09:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-cdrom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:48] <ne78> |lostbyte|: so kmix is always in the tray and ctach the Volume-up/down ?
[09:48] <SimiGodBeOs> in console,
[09:49] <SimiGodBeOs> usdo ! apt-cdrom
[09:49] <sparrw> usdo?
[09:49] <|lostbyte|> ne78, open up kmix , settings > global shortcuts..
[09:49] <faderhval> acording to that i have the right driver installed but why the heck cant i get a res higher then 1024*769 then ?
[09:49] <ne78> |lostbyte|: thanks
[09:50] <|lostbyte|> ne78, np ;)
[09:50] <SimiGodBeOs> sorry wrong commda
[09:52] <SimiGodBeOs> thank, loStB
[09:52] <esben> Where do iptables firewall rules go in (K)ubuntu?
[09:53] <migol> faderhval: and monitor settings are fine?
[09:53] <ubuntu> i'm getting error 21 while grub is loading
[09:53] <ubuntu> after installing edgy
[09:53] <ubuntu> someone knows the problem?
[09:54] <faderhval> migol theres is nothing "wrong" as such i would just wish i had a higher res..
[09:55] <faderhval> *sob*
[09:55] <esben> ubuntu: While grub is loading... as in before the menu displays?
[09:56] <ubuntu> yes before
[09:56] <faderhval> if i were to choose a res that is not "testet" or supportet does Kubuntu have "failsafe" like say yes within 10 secs or something like that?
[09:57] <esben> ubuntu: Tried simply reinstalling grub?
[09:57] <SimiGodBeOs> can you use vmware to update ubuntu
[09:57] <ubuntu> like grub-install ?
[09:57] <esben> ubuntu: If you like. Or apt-get install --reinstall grub
[09:57] <ubuntu> yes i tried to
[09:58] <ubuntu> but it the same error after that
[09:58] <sparrw> [how]  can i make kfmclient launch firefox for OpenURL instead of konqueror?
[09:58] <khirr> wich one is the stable version....6.06 or 6.10??
[09:58] <khirr> what is better to use?
[09:58] <[cf] nightrid3r> ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/8978
[09:58] <thunder_storm> hello everywhere
[09:58] <sparrw> 6.06 is stabler and has more long term support.  6.10 has newer software.
[09:58] <esben> sparrw: Move firefox up in the mimetypes
[09:58] <UnKnownMan> hi
[09:58] <heinkel_111> khirr: both are stable
[09:58] <sparrw> esben: where?
[09:58] <heinkel_111> 6.06 has less bugs atm
[09:58] <thunder_storm> have someone problems with apt-index-watch ?
[09:58] <icheyne> is there a more user-friendly GUI for the gimp? I know there is one for Windows, but is there one for Linux?
[09:59] <thunder_storm> apt-index-watch use 35-50% CPU-Load on my Vaio-Laptop with 2,8 GHz, every 2-5 seconds.
[09:59] <khirr> i think, so i'll use 6.06 ...i think..
[09:59] <[cf] nightrid3r> khirr: both are stable, 6.06 gives ,long time support
[09:59] <khirr> uhmm
[09:59] <khirr> a litle errors only?
[09:59] <sparrw> icheyne: google "gimpshop"
[09:59] <icheyne> sparrw, thanks mate I knew it was out there :)
[09:59] <esben> sparrw: Actually there is the default application in the system settings... tried changing that? It's new to me, but seems to do what you want
[10:00] <sparrw> esben: havent, thanks.
[10:00] <thunder_storm> this problem i have: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libapt-front/+bug/64531
[10:00] <heinkel_111> khirr: i have both 6.06 and 6.10 on two machines
[10:00] <esben> Noone knows where firewall rules go?
[10:00] <UnKnownMan> How integrate python shell in KATE. Alike SCITE editor ??
[10:00] <khirr> are the same to u?
[10:00] <heinkel_111> khirr: i barely notice the difference in everyday use
[10:00] <khirr> for u what is better?
[10:01] <icheyne> khirr, I can see hardly any difference
[10:02] <icheyne> khirr, so I would go for Edgy
[10:02] <khirr> tell me something about diference betwen them...
[10:02] <khirr> uhmm
[10:02] <khirr> ok...thanks
[10:02] <heinkel_111> i think edgy 6.10 has an edge, but dapper 6.06 is more easy going
[10:02] <SimiGodBeOs> :)
[10:02] <heinkel_111> i get occasional crashes in edgy that was not the case in 6.06 anymore
[10:02] <arriesp> ola
[10:02] <heinkel_111> they are related to amraoK somehoiw
[10:02] <khirr> i cant install Mercury MSN...
[10:03] <thunder_storm> is it possible and secure to deactivate apt-index-watch?
[10:03] <heinkel_111> khirr: what dioyou want that for? cant you use kopete?
[10:03] <heinkel_111> khirr: what do you want that for? cant you use kopete?
[10:03] <khirr> but, in kopete i cant see my buddy for email
[10:03] <heinkel_111> sry for typing errors
[10:04] <sparrw> heinkel_111: sure, but edgy has dash!  :)  i know dapper has dash too, but its not default
[10:04] <heinkel_111> ehw :blush: what is dash?
[10:05] <heinkel_111> sparrw ^
[10:05] <andrepose> If I am setting up a DHCP server with 3 network cards Do I have to set up the network cards connected to my network up with static ip address or can they still be dhcp?
[10:06] <DaSkreech> !dash
[10:06] <ubotu> /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to "#!/bin/bash"
[10:06] <graft> err, okay, i just upgraded to edgy: why is my kwin going nuts when i switch focus between windows?
[10:07] <Chousuke> Why did edgy switch to dash anyway? :/
[10:08] <esben> Is there no standard place to stuff iptables rules? or is noone using ubuntu for firewalls? :o)
[10:08] <graft> according to the description, because dash is much smaller, and space is at a premium on the install disk
[10:08] <DaSkreech> Chousuke: It's faster
[10:08] <Chousuke> substantially? :P
[10:08] <DaSkreech> graft: Which of course makes no sense :)
[10:09] <DaSkreech> since you are adding a new application to replace  bash which you ship with anyway
[10:09] <arriesp> xaop :/
[10:09] <graft> esben: just make your own init script, i think
[10:10] <esben> graft: ok
[10:10] <LjL> !boot
[10:10] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions  -  To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d  -  To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local  -  See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy  -  Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[10:11] <graft> so, no one else has a problem with kwin melting?
[10:12] <flixh> nobody can tell me how to get rid off automount in kde? this is driving me nuts...
[10:14] <DaSkreech> graft: to?
[10:14] <DaSkreech> flixh: What automount?
[10:15] <icheyne> every time I run a GUI program from the command line, I get this garbage iain@elgrande ~> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[10:15] <icheyne>   Major opcode:  147
[10:15] <icheyne>   Minor opcode:  3
[10:15] <icheyne>   Resource id:  0x0
[10:15] <icheyne> Failed to open device
[10:15] <icheyne> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[10:15] <icheyne>   Major opcode:  147
[10:15] <icheyne>   Minor opcode:  3
[10:15] <icheyne>   Resource id:  0x0
[10:15] <icheyne> Failed to open device
[10:15] <icheyne> how do I get rid of it?
[10:16] <icheyne> sorry I'll use a pastebin next time - forgot :-S
[10:16] <graft> DaSkreech: um, whenever i move focus to a new window, the focus flies back and forth wildly between windows
[10:16] <flixh> daskreech: when you plug in a usb stick, or put a cd in your drive
[10:17] <DaSkreech> graft: ah ok. Umm try reinstall?
[10:17] <sampo-> Are there anybody familiar with Kaffeine? My kaffeine player stop working and I do not know, how I can make it works. I try to remove and reinstall, does not help.
[10:17] <icheyne> sampo-, did kaffeine ever work?
[10:18] <sampo-> Yes, sunday I watch tv about klo 21.00, and 23.30 start NYPD Blue, that Nypd Blue kaffeine does not show
[10:18] <graft> DaSkreech: reinstall what?
[10:18] <DaSkreech> kwin
[10:18] <flixh> DaSkreech: the device is mounted automagically, I already removed ivman and if you tell kde to 'Do Nothing' in the pop up window it does not start a programm any more but it still mounts the device...
[10:19] <icheyne> sampo-, did you use the -purge option when you uninstalled kaffeine?
[10:19] <icheyne> sampo-, have you tried using VLC Instead?
[10:19] <sampo-> No, should I?
[10:19] <icheyne> to delete it completely yes
[10:19] <DaSkreech> flixh: I think that's hal's doing
[10:19] <icheyne> vlc is good
[10:19] <icheyne> at least as good as Kaffeine
[10:20] <sampo-> Can with vlc record program?
[10:20] <icheyne> I do not know
[10:20] <flixh> DaSkreech: I assumed that as well, but setting the <storage_automount_enabled_hint> to false in /etc/hal/hald.conf does not solve the problem
[10:20] <icheyne> I know you can stream video from VLC - it does a lot
[10:20] <graft> argh. no ssl in firefox without this personal security manager?
[10:21] <graft> which... i can't install because i can't browse ssl sites
[10:21] <sampo-> Yes, i can now watch tv with Xine, but Xine cannot record, to record now I need kaffeine. But if vlc works and can record, I do not need kaffeine
[10:21] <flixh> DaSkreech: And on top of that you can see small window in kde popping up shortly with 'Mounting [device]  ...', so I guess that's some kde daemon
[10:21] <icheyne> sampo-, sorry but you will have to check the vlc site
[10:21] <icheyne> !vlc
[10:21] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[10:22] <DaSkreech> !away
[10:22] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[10:23] <andrepose> ack i messed something up...
[10:23] <andrepose> Do i have to change /etc/networking/interfaces on an ubuntu router or can I leave it dhcp?
[10:24] <DaSkreech> flixh: Why don't you want USB sticks to automount?
[10:26] <sampo-> btw, when I try to start kaffeine, there are one zombie process, witch I'm not able to stop even when I'm root
[10:26] <unix_infidel> DaSkreech: some people prefer not to automount because they could accidentally have a process running that uses the drive and remove without umounting
[10:26] <BluesKaj> just leave it dhcp, andrepose
[10:26] <DaSkreech> unix_infidel: you mean a process that grabs the drive as soon as it auto moutns?
[10:27] <flixh> DaSkreech: I often connect (and mainly CDs) in and let them there, mounting them later
[10:27] <unix_infidel> DaSkreech: its rare, but yes, more often though, its leaving a drive in there, using it, and forgetting to umount the next day....
[10:27] <unix_infidel> its more a matter of habit here. i automount cd's though.
[10:28] <Omnifrog> isn't glxgears supposed to display some kind of, you know...numbers?
[10:28] <unix_infidel> go figure.
[10:28] <flixh> DaSkreech: and more important: I sometimes mount a stick on a machine I log onto with ssh while somebody else is using the X-Server. Automount mounts the stick with his uid
[10:28] <andrepose> what's the name of that fps game for linux?  I think it's based on army stuff?
[10:28] <unix_infidel> andrepose: america's army?
[10:28] <DaSkreech> flixh: check for the kded module
[10:28] <DaSkreech> brb
[10:29] <unix_infidel> or enemy territory.
[10:29] <Omnifrog> edgy has a great many issues on this box
[10:29] <andrepose> okay.  I remember coming across it once a year ago or so, it was in development then. I am not sure if they are releasing it yet.
[10:30] <flixh> DSkreech: kded is running, but how to configure it?
[10:32] <Ayabara> I need the snd_intel8x0 driver to be mounted with "sudo modprobe snd_intel8x0 ac97_quirk=hp_only". how can I make this happen at boot?
[10:32] <flixh> DaSkreech: (sorry, mistyped the nick) kded is running, but how to configure it?
[10:33] <unix_infidel> Ayabara: you an issue the specific command in rc.local
[10:33] <DaSkreech> And that's where Google has a better Ph.d than I do :)
[10:33] <unix_infidel> OR you can put it in the proper modules file.
[10:33] <xwolf-> what's the problem with the x-window-system-core package?
[10:33] <unix_infidel> DaSkreech: ph.d in?
[10:33] <DaSkreech> Answering correctly without half assing and screwing up the computer
[10:34] <xwolf-> !x-window-system-core
[10:34] <ubotu> x-window-system-core: transitional package for Debian etch. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:7.1.1ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 16 kB, installed size 44 kB
[10:34] <graft> Hmm, apparently the 'polyester' window deco doesn't work with kde 3.5.5
[10:35] <Ace2016> anyone's mplayer always giving an error about libmp3?
[10:35] <graft> nope
[10:35] <graft> what's the error?
[10:35] <Ace2016> i post a screenshot
[10:36] <Ayabara> unix_infidel, ok. I think someone gave me a one-liner that made the change permanent once, but I lost it...
[10:37] <andrepose> anyone know a channel where they could help me setup an ubnutu server as a router?
[10:38] <graft> um
[10:38] <jhutchins_wk> andrepose: It's not ubuntu specific, but http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ is a great guide.
[10:39] <graft> try #ubuntu-server
[10:39] <andrepose> okay sounds good
[10:39] <jhutchins_wk> Ayabara: You should be able to do that in the module configuration, modprobe.conf or whatever we use.
[10:39] <unix_infidel> Ayabara: if you need to pass options while you modprobe then you should probably use rc.local
[10:40] <unix_infidel> i'm not sure if you can in modules.
[10:40] <jhutchins_wk> unix_infidel: Yeah, you can.
[10:41] <unix_infidel> Ayabara: a quick google results that you can add that option to /etc/modprobe.d/local-laptop
[10:41] <unix_infidel> either way looks fine to me, there is no one proper way to do it.
[10:41] <Ayabara> unix_infidel, that file doesn't exist here. do I just make it?
[10:42] <Ace2016> I keep getting this error every time mplayer starts http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mplayererrorid6.png
[10:42] <unix_infidel> Ayabara: using the other two ways seems like the safer more direct method to me.
[10:42] <jhutchins_wk> Ayabara: It might be better to have a look at /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.
[10:42] <f> hola a todos
[10:42] <jhutchins_wk> Ayabara: The sound driver is probably already defined there, just need to add options.
[10:42] <f> fdxsdff
[10:43] <Ace2016> i keep getting that error but it works perfectly
[10:43] <Ayabara> jhutchins_wk, unix_infidel, I'll look into it. thanks for helping
[10:44] <SimiGodBeOs> mexcan,, i love  girls
[10:44] <flixh> DaSkreech: thanks for the help, unfortunately google has nothing about configuration of kded
[10:44] <DaSkreech> flixh: ask in #kde then I should hope SOMEONE in there should know
[10:45] <pchavez> Has anyone here had a chance to play with the pdftohtml tool?  It and cupsys keep breaking each other.
[10:45] <flixh> DaSkreech: thanks, I'll try unfortunately there was no reaction there when ask for the automount problem...
[10:46] <DaSkreech> Maybe kded might strike a chord
[10:50] <michi> hi @all, i want to add the efnet server on my irc client. how does this work?
[10:50] <xwolf-> what's your irc client?
[10:50] <SimiGodBeOs> do most new nic for auto cent for crossover calbe
[10:50] <Nanaki_Yamabushi> How can I do software update over terminal?
[10:50] <SimiGodBeOs> with out need a crossover calbes
[10:51] <xwolf-> Nanaki_Yamabushi apt-get upgrade?
[10:52] <michi> kubuntus konversation
[10:52] <michi> i know i have to say new server, but i dont know the waht to give in
[10:53] <pchavez> Could the gs package and the gs-esp package be causing conflicts?
[10:53] <xwolf-> michi you know WHERE to add, don't you?
[10:53] <xwolf-> you just don't know efnet's server?
[10:54] <Nanaki_Yamabushi> How can I change start up theme (boot) and the login in splash screen theme in gnome, or what is the name of the progam?
[10:54] <cryptonic> hello, i installed ubuntu edgy a while back and would like to start learning how to code c for linux and was wondering if someone could help me install the second snapshot of kde4 on ubuntu
[10:54] <xwolf-> Nanaki_Yamabushi the login program is GDM.. gnome desktop manager
[10:55] <xwolf-> the splash in boot screen is probably usplash
[10:55] <pchavez> I take it no one has played around with cupsys or pdftohtml.
[10:55] <Nanaki_Yamabushi> But how can I change the theme under gnome or how do I do that. I changed it once but I can't find how
[10:56] <xwolf-> Nanaki_Yamabushi i'd ask google for that. plus, i'd go to #ubuntu since here is kubuntu's help channel.
[10:56] <xwolf-> and i've never used gnome, sorry.
[10:57] <xwolf-> Nanaki_Yamabushi kde-look.org must have a gnome counterpart. there should be something there. perhaps gnome-look.org? :)
[10:57] <pchavez> Actually, is this thing on?  Never used this client before.  Can anyone hear me at all?  :)
[10:58] <SimiGodBeOs> i love you too
[10:58] <cryptonic> can anyone help me install kde4?
[11:01] <xwolf-> cryptonic i never got the "kde snapshot" and "install" part.
[11:01] <cryptonic> well can you tell me how to install kde 3?
[11:01] <xwolf-> what's that? like a demo version? :P
[11:01] <cryptonic> alpha version or below at this stage id say
[11:02] <apokryphos> pre-alpha development snapshot
[11:02] <cryptonic> eh, close enough
[11:02] <xwolf-> pre-alpha, that's like wireframe only
[11:02] <apokryphos> i.e. only for developers to use the kdelibs/base, really, for porting their apps to kde4
[11:03] <cryptonic> well i want to work on some stuff for linux, primarily for kde 4 so thats why i wan to install it
[11:03] <cryptonic> it would be handy to have it alog side kde 3 or something
[11:03] <yeti> xwolf-: no, pre-alpha means "microsoft would ship it like it is now" ;)
[11:03] <DaSkreech> cryptonic: go to Kubuntu.org
[11:03] <cryptonic> lol
[11:03] <xwolf-> hehe, probably true.
[11:04] <cryptonic> what vista,, cough cough :)
[11:04] <xwolf-> oh. by the way, you guys seen the vista box thingie?
[11:04] <graft> yo, why don't they ever put new amarok updates actuallyin the repos?
[11:05] <graft> oh wait.. released after edgy went live... erm never mind
[11:05] <xwolf-> it's quite pretty actually
[11:06] <pchavez> Does it have smooth lines to make it run faster, wolf?  :)
[11:07] <xwolf-> well, the box where the cd (or is it a dvd?) is pretty.
[11:07] <wilman> how can i change my display refresh rate?
[11:07] <wilman> it is now 60
[11:07] <graft> why do you want to change it?
[11:08] <xwolf-> oh, i also read somewhere it will use usb flash drives to increase memory
[11:08] <xwolf-> what the hell? you pull it off and it bluescreens?
[11:08] <Saparok> Hello.  I am having problems installing 6.10 kubuntu on a Dell Precision 650 Workstation.  Either text more or graphical install, it reboots shortly after starting up every time.  Have an Nvidia 7800GS video adapter.  Ran previous builds fine, but I recently added this video card, and haven't had luck since.
[11:08] <graft> flash drives to increase memory?
[11:08] <firegirl> should i switch to xubuntu?
[11:09] <xwolf-> think of sticking a pen drive to use as extra memory
[11:09] <xwolf-> virtual memory, that is. since it is indeed faster than hard drive
[11:09] <pchavez> So you mount it and make a ram disk out of it?
[11:10] <icheyne> firegirl, xubuntu is pretty good
[11:10] <Saparok> since when is a flash drive faster than a hard drive?  Must be a very old hard drive.
[11:10] <xwolf-> vista does
[11:10] <xwolf-> let me find the article.
[11:10] <Saparok> try running a disk speed test on your hard drive and your usb key for yourself, and stop believing such silliness.
[11:11] <Saparok> I am having problems installing 6.10 kubuntu on a Dell Precision 650 Workstation.  Either text more or graphical install, it reboots shortly after starting up every time.  Have an Nvidia 7800GS video adapter.  Ran previous builds fine, but I recently added this video card, and haven't had luck since.
[11:11] <xwolf-> Saparok i won't question that since i haven't enough knowledge. but i thought writing through usb was a lot faster than writing to ide hdd?
[11:11] <pchavez> How fast is USB 2.0, anyway?  100mbps?
[11:11] <Saparok> no.
[11:12] <Saparok> compact flash I/O latency is very high.
[11:12] <Saparok> bus speed != device speed
[11:12] <Saparok> just because a device operates on a USB 2.0 bus does not mean it can keep up with the full potential bandwidth.  Very few devices do, actually.
[11:13] <xwolf-> http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2142265/usb-memory-keys-speed-windows
[11:13] <Saparok> And SATA Is orders of magnitude faster than USB 2.0.  USB 2.0 protocol overhead is fairly high also, so even FW400 will often outperform it.
[11:13] <Saparok> nvm FW800.
[11:14] <pchavez> Actually this test says that FW400 outperforms USB2.0 as well: http://www.cwol.com/firewire/firewire-vs-usb.htm
[11:14] <Saparok> It does, as I said.
[11:14] <xwolf-> what's fw400?
[11:14] <pchavez> But why argue?  Its Microsoft.  If they say USB is good for extra memory people will buy it.
[11:14] <Saparok> Firewire 400.
[11:15] <xwolf-> oh, right.
[11:15] <Saparok> Firewire 800 is even faster, and SATA beats them all.
[11:15] <xwolf-> pchavez i think that's a fcked up idea.
[11:15] <Saparok> compact flash is VERY slow to write to, and relatively slow to read from.  No way that's better than using local hard disk for swap.
[11:15] <pchavez> Its going to be great.  Super fast 64 bit dual whatever core monsters sitting idle all day long while they pull stuff from a pen drive :)
[11:15] <pchavez> Now thats good design.
[11:15] <Saparok> it's BS marketing.  Let me guess, Microsoft will soon be selling a "Superfetch USB Key" for $89.95, and the fools will all be buying one.
[11:16] <xwolf-> hehe.
[11:16] <yeti> may they will cooperate with apple: iFetch USB Key, $139.95 but all shiny and stuff ;)
[11:17] <xwolf-> brb.
[11:17] <Saparok> With a free set of earbuds, that let you hear music dynamically generated from the I/O access randomness.  LOL
[11:17] <pchavez> Wouldn't just doubling the page file size work better?
[11:17] <Saparok> You only need to do that if you actually run out of swap.
[11:18] <Saparok> Windows dynamically adjusts (and fragments) your swap file by default.
[11:18] <pchavez> I think it would be faster than adding a pen drive, thats for sure!
[11:18] <yeti> i'm still SO in love with those windows "free your ram" utilities that just drop pagecache or even better, move it to swap
[11:18] <Saparok> real answer is to turn off swap file, reboot, defrag, turn on swap file with fixed and equal lower/upper bound sizes and reboot again.
[11:18] <Slynderdale> Hmm, anyone have this problem, trying to copy text in Konqueror and not have it save to your clipboard?
[11:19] <Saparok> Slynderdale: I can't even install 6.10 on my system, so I have no idea.
[11:19] <pchavez> Slynderdale: frequently.  Just hit ctrl+c a few more times. :)
[11:19] <Omnifrog> grrrr
[11:20] <Omnifrog> kdesu doesnt work either
[11:20] <Saparok> I've tried every install option I can think of, reboots right after startup every time.
[11:20] <Omnifrog> maybe time to dump edgy
[11:20] <Omnifrog> it doesnt just work
[11:22] <theodor> blupp
[11:23] <graft> yeah, wtf happened to kdesu?
[11:23] <graft> the package is gone
[11:24] <graft> ah in kdebase-bin
[11:25] <Omnifrog> i still have no idea wtf is up with a root file tree in /mnt/data
[11:27] <Omnifrog> and why synaptic install shit there while the shell keeps looking in the normal / tree
[11:27] <Omnifrog> GUHhh!
[11:38] <Mystery_Mark> allo
[11:40] <Mystery_Mark> I installed kubuntu with the alternative CD on a Pentium 3 500Mhz, with 192 Ram, and it was actually under a larger load than the previous release. Did I miss a step?
[11:41] <pchavez> Do you have more stuff running?
[11:41] <Mystery_Mark> No, it was a fresh install
[11:41] <Mystery_Mark> using firefox and gaim
[11:46] <faderhval> Is XFree86 included in Kubunutu???
[11:47] <resmo_> hi
[11:48] <resmo_> is there a usb automount problem in kubuntu? /var/log/messages sees the usb-key but there is no (?) /dev/sda ?
[11:49] <resmo_> btw efty
[11:51] <trappist> resmo_: there's an open bug on it
[11:52] <resmo_> trappist: ok, i c, thx
[11:52] <trappist> resmo_: https://launchpad.net/bugs/65662
[11:55] <resmo_> trappist: hmm seems to be closed (i already updated)
[11:56] <resmo_> but still get no usb drive
[11:58] <carleigh> hello
[11:58] <carleigh> can somebody help me setup beryl?
[11:58] <smaggard> <<< is installing vista :D
[11:58] <Hawkwind> !beryl | carleigh
[11:58] <ubotu> carleigh: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[11:58] <Admiral_Chicago> carleigh: you might want to try #beryl too
[11:58] <smaggard> carleigh> hello beryl is easy to install
[11:58] <smaggard> what distro ?
[11:58] <Admiral_Chicago> smaggard: good luck
[11:58] <carleigh> Kubuntu 6.10
[11:58] <smaggard> ah
[11:58] <smaggard> hold on ill give you a link
[11:58] <Hawkwind> carleigh: Read the info above
[11:58] <carleigh> i have it installed
[11:59] <Admiral_Chicago> carleigh: listen to Hawkwind
[11:59] <carleigh> but when i open the beryl manager
[11:59] <carleigh> the taskbar on my screen goes away and nothing happens
[11:59] <smaggard> hmmm
[11:59] <Hawkwind> carleigh: Best to join #Beryl and/or #Ubuntu-XGL for help with that
[11:59] <smaggard> strange
[11:59] <carleigh> oh Smaggard
[11:59] <carleigh> Windows Vista isn't great
[11:59] <carleigh> i have already tried it
[12:00] <smaggard> windows vista is AWESOME!!!!!!!!
[12:00] <smaggard> lol jk
[12:00] <carleigh> lol ya
[12:00] <carleigh> id hope so
[12:00] <carleigh> ok thanks guys
[12:01] <constantine-xvi> is there anything on kubuntu that can batch-convert .oggs to .wavs?
[12:03] <resmo_> constantine-xvi: maybe mencoder
[12:03] <faderhval> sigh....how do i get 3D Accelaration to work on Kubunutu (Radeon 9600 PRO)
[12:04] <fdoving> !ati | faderhval
[12:04] <Saparok> faderhval: I can't even get Kubuntu 6.10 to install on an Nvidia 7800 GS, so good luck.
[12:04] <Saparok> I'm thinking about trying a regular ubuntu install, then adding KDE later.
[12:04] <fdoving> !ati | faderhval
[12:05] <fdoving> looks like ubotu is slow today. or i'm lagged.
[12:05] <fdoving> nite.
[12:05] <vyoman> can anybody recommend a screen recording tool, such as wink for KDE?
[12:06] <ubotu> faderhval: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:06] <Hawkwind> vyoman: screenkast or wink
[12:06] <Hawkwind> vyoman: I have screenkast debs on http://SeerOfSouls.com/ in the Ubuntu section
[12:07] <kitsaros> hello there  !
[12:07] <faderhval> ubotu: thx
[12:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:07] <vyoman> Hawkwind - fantastic I give it a try
[12:07] <jhutchins> vyoman: There's an internal kde screenshot program...
[12:08] <jhutchins> vyoman: ... ksnapshot
[12:08] <vyoman> yes I was thinking of viewlets - to produce a movie instructing users to login
[12:09] <vyoman> :)
[12:09] <kitsaros> i have an idiot question to ask.. i just put correctly the nvidia drivers on my kubuntu but every time that i restart my pc i have in order to log in in kde to press alt-ctrl-f7 is there any option that i can return on the default setting? thx!
[12:09] <kitsaros> :D
[12:10] <kitsaros> noone knows? :S