[12:53] <ailean> can anyone tell me how to submit changes to source for approval?
[12:54] <crimsun> what sort of changes to source, and for whom?
[12:54] <ailean> mainly typos to start with, i'm just starting out
[12:54] <ailean> for ubuntu
[12:55] <minghua> ailean: usually opening a bug in LP would work
[12:56] <Sp4rKy> ailean: change in the source of a programme ?
[12:56] <ailean> minghua, opening a bug isn't fixing it though
[12:56] <ailean> Sp4rKy, yes
[12:56] <Sp4rKy> if this , you have to send you patch to upstream
[12:56] <Sp4rKy> s/this/yes
[12:56] <ailean> Sp4rKy, any guides to that?
[12:56] <minghua> ailean: sure, but pasting your patch in the bug report has a good chance to fix it
[12:56] <Sp4rKy> ailean: nop
[12:57] <ailean> right
[12:57] <Sp4rKy> ailean: if you software is in ubuntu repository, you have to open a bug at lp
[12:57] <crimsun> ailean: did you ``apt-get source foo''?
[12:57] <ailean> Sp4rKy, i'm looking at trying to fix the already open bugs
[12:57] <Sp4rKy> and if you've made some diff/patch, you have to send them to upstream
[12:57] <Sp4rKy> and wait for upstream fix
[12:58] <Sp4rKy> ailean: k, so i you fix something
[12:58] <Sp4rKy> post the patch on lp, and mail it to the maintainer of the package and to upstream
[12:58] <ailean> ok, cool
[12:58] <ailean> cheers
[12:59] <Sp4rKy> np
[01:00] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: i'm right with the way for fix bugs ?
[01:00] <crimsun> process-wise, essentially.
[01:00] <Sp4rKy> k
[01:00] <crimsun> I was under the impression that ailean was asking about how to generate a debdiff, but perhaps I misinterpreted the question
[01:01] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: mhhh, maybe ...
[01:01] <Sp4rKy> don't know
[01:01] <crimsun> lupine_85: LP #?
[01:02] <lupine_85> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/rutilt/+bug/68454
[01:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68454 in rutilt "rutilt_0.12-0ubuntu1 fails to build on Ubuntu's build servers..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[01:03] <lupine_85> It's just bypassing some really stupid checks in the configure.sh
[01:04] <Sp4rKy> :p
[01:04] <lupine_85>  /really, really/ stupid checks
[01:06] <rmjb> is there a vmware or xen image of feisty available to test the functioning of packages? I already have the pbuilder for feisty
[01:07] <joejaxx> rmjb: how do you have a pbuilder for feisty?
[01:07] <rmjb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[01:07] <pygi> joejaxx, he just installs debootstrap from feisty? :P
[01:07] <joejaxx> last time i checked here was not a bootstrap script for feisty
[01:08] <rmjb> it came out last week
[01:08] <joejaxx> rmjb: i know about pbuilder :)
[01:08] <crimsun> that comment for the second comment inspires such confidence
[01:08] <crimsun> "This patch bumps to -ubuntu2 version and fixes the problem (I think)"
[01:08] <rmjb> on the end it describes how to have multiple pbuilders installed
[01:08] <joejaxx> rmjb: i know how to use pbuilder
[01:08] <joejaxx> :)
[01:08] <joejaxx> i was just saying
[01:08] <pygi> joejaxx, just install deboostrap from feisty :P
[01:09] <joejaxx> last time i tried to bootstrap feisty
[01:09] <jdong> joejaxx: backport debootstrap
[01:09] <crimsun> lupine_85: does it actually fix the problem in an sbuild?
[01:09] <joejaxx> there was not a script for it
[01:09] <lupine_85> crimsun: yes
[01:09] <joejaxx> jdong: maybe i should do that
[01:09] <jdong> joejaxx: you need deboostrap from feisty... :)
[01:09] <joejaxx> jdong:  i will backport it
[01:09] <crimsun> lupine_85: got the sbuild log conveniently?
[01:10] <joejaxx> that higlights your client?
[01:11] <crimsun> yes
[01:11] <lupine_85> oh, sbuild != "source build" as in a generic thing, it's a program. Sorry, no idea if it does that
[01:11] <crimsun> I have a highlight for each LP team
[01:11] <joejaxx> oh wow
[01:11] <joejaxx> ok
[01:11] <lupine_85> and trying to install it brings up exim dependencies? wtf?
[01:11] <joejaxx> hey
[01:11] <joejaxx> someone on feisty
[01:12] <joejaxx> can someone tar the debootstrap source
[01:12] <crimsun> lupine_85: yes, due to the "exim4 | mail-transport-agent" alternative
[01:12] <rmjb> so... is there a xen or vmware image for feisty for testing?
[01:12] <crimsun> joejaxx: just install feisty's debootstrap
[01:12] <joejaxx> oh nevermind i can get it from the web
[01:12] <rmjb> joejaxx: get the feisty debootstrap here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[01:13] <joejaxx> rmjb: i know what debootstrap is
[01:13] <joejaxx> lol
[01:13] <imbrandon> joejaxx, or dget the dsc :)
[01:13] <joejaxx> imbrandon: :)
[01:13] <rmjb> joejaxx: on that page there's links to the debootstrap for the different versions of ubuntu... they're all there
[01:14] <jdong> joejaxx: why do you need tarring at all?
[01:14] <jdong> joejaxx: use packages.ubuntu.com/debootstrap to find the .dsc
[01:14] <jdong> and dpkg-buildpackage it
[01:14] <joejaxx> rmjb: i need the source not the actual debs
[01:14] <joejaxx> jdong: that is what i am going to do
[01:14] <joejaxx> 16:12 < joejaxx> oh nevermind i can get it from the web
[01:14] <joejaxx> lol
[01:15] <lupine_85> crimsun: ah, so it's my fault? :D. regardless, i'm certain that this patch fixes the problem (which was that the kernel sources for the old kernel running on the build machines wasn't getting it's sources/headers installed)
[01:15] <crimsun> lupine_85: "fault" has nothing to do with it
[01:16] <lupine_85> i.e. I have the wrong mail transport agent set on my computer
[01:18] <joejaxx> jdong: after i backport it where can i submit it for edgy backport?
[01:18] <jdong> joejaxx: launchpad/products/edgy-backports
[01:19] <lupine_85> crimsun: hmm, however, running it in sbuild wouldn't give any useful info as to whether it'll work on the build PCs or not, though
[01:19] <jdong> joejaxx: I was considering that backport for a short while now
[01:19] <joejaxx> so i just attach the source with the bug?
[01:19] <jdong> no need to attach the source
[01:20] <crimsun> lupine_85: if you attempt to replicate the environment, it should
[01:20] <jdong> just file a bug that you want Feisty debootstrap
[01:20] <jdong> and saying that you've tested it in edgy helps too in this case
[01:20] <lupine_85> to replicate that environment, I'd need to switch my running kernel to 2.6.15.7
[01:20] <joejaxx> oh that is the purpose of me backporting it
[01:20] <jdong> in fact, I'll approve the backport as soon as you file it... :)
[01:20] <crimsun> lupine_85: vm image
[01:20] <joejaxx> jdong: ok
[01:20] <joejaxx> :)
[01:20] <jdong> I've been using feisty debootstrap in Edgy for a while now
[01:21] <joejaxx> jdong: does the version stay the same or do i increment it
[01:21] <jdong> joejaxx: you decrement it
[01:21] <joejaxx> oh ok
[01:21] <jdong> joejaxx: using ~yourname1
[01:21] <joejaxx> ubuntu7 then
[01:21] <joejaxx> yourname?
[01:21] <jdong> ubuntu8~yourname1
[01:22] <joejaxx> ahok
[01:22] <jdong> the ~ operator makes the version number less than a version without ~
[01:22] <joejaxx> this should be interesing
[01:22] <joejaxx> jdong: i see
[01:22] <joejaxx> well hold on let me just restore my key on this computer so i can sign the package
[01:22] <jdong> why are you signing the package?
[01:22] <jdong> I don't want to see your package?
[01:22] <jdong> (wow that sounded wrong...)
[01:23] <jdong> I'll take your word for it that it builds and works
[01:23] <joejaxx> jdong: good practise
[01:23] <jdong> mainly because I've already tried it
[01:24] <joejaxx> lupine_85: on edgy?
[01:24] <lupine_85> yeah, but not normal edgy
[01:25] <joejaxx> oh
[01:25] <lupine_85> 32bit userland, 64bit kernel
[01:25] <joejaxx> interesting
[01:25] <jdong> lupine_85: what on earth?
[01:25] <lupine_85> it's useful for jumping in and out of 64bit chroots
[01:25] <jdong> lupine_85: I don't think you can compile 64-bit kernel modules with a 32-bit gcc?
[01:25] <lupine_85> I usually work in 32 bits
[01:26] <jdong> lupine_85: find a way to get 64-bit gcc to run then :D
[01:26] <lupine_85> that's what my 64 bit chroots do (/lib/modules/`uname -r` is linked to my 64-bit chroot)
[01:26] <jdong> like a 64-bit chroot
[01:26] <lupine_85> I can run gcc in 64 bits, but I can't run vmware-config.pl because it's no in the chroot ;)
[01:26] <jdong> interesting....
[01:27] <lupine_85> yeah. maybe qemu will be my friend.
[01:30] <lupine_85> the hardships I've gone through for this package...
[01:31] <crimsun> until you lose a week of sleep the week of a release working on one package, I think "hardships" is something out of a book :-P
[01:31] <lupine_85> 2 days of sleep?
[01:31] <crimsun> try 6
[01:31] <lupine_85> the nights just before UVF
[01:31] <crimsun> see breezy's vlc
[01:32] <enyc> I wonder if fiesty's multiverse will come frem debian 'testing' or 'unstable'
[01:32] <lupine_85> argh, silly GUI installer
[01:33] <crimsun> enyc: unstable where applicable
[01:33] <enyc> crimsun: ??where applicable??
[01:33] <enyc> crimsun: explain ;-)
[01:33] <enyc> erm actuallf I meant universe
[01:33] <enyc> not multiverse
[01:34] <crimsun> yes. ones that aren't in it (either because of removals or because of a different origin) can't come from unstable.
[01:34] <enyc> crimsun: i see.. so are built as ubuntu-only pkg
[01:34] <crimsun> yes, sometimes causing much weeping and gnashing of teeth
[01:34] <enyc> crimsun: ??
[01:35] <enyc> crimsun:lots of problems there?
[01:35] <crimsun> enyc: generally, no
[01:35] <enyc> crimsun: what sorts of things happen?
[01:35] <lupine_85> ...only DVD-sized ISOs available...?
[01:35] <crimsun> we hand-merge the problem ones
[01:35] <enyc> crimsun: i wondr what causes problems ;-)
[01:37] <lupine_85> thank Mercury for 800KB/sec downloads :)
[01:37] <enyc> ;-)
[01:43] <joejaxx> yeap it works
[01:49] <lupine_85> nope, alternate install cd will be faster... 3 minutes to go before it's downloaded, and i'm not even into the GUI's desktop yet
[01:49] <joejaxx> Bug #71716
[01:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71716 in edgy-backports "Request: To backport Debootstrap 0.3.3.0ubuntu8 to Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71716
[01:50] <joejaxx> jdong: ^
[01:50] <joejaxx> bbl dinner
[01:55] <lupine_85> meh. bedtime. I'll fix0r it tomorrow sometime
[02:02] <rmjb> will gpl java make it into feisty?
[02:02] <rmjb> will it make it into edgy?
[02:02] <Burgwork> rmjb: depends on when we get a buildable version
[02:02] <Burgwork> and no
[02:02] <Burgwork> unless somebody backports it
[02:02] <rmjb> will that mean it's the end of gcj?? or that still has value?
[02:03] <pygi> Burgwork, complete java will be open sourced at end of march, next year if I'm not mistaken
[02:03] <Burgwork> rmjb: that is a question that nobody really knows right now
[02:05] <minghua> I think for now the question is which one, feisty or GPLed Java, will be released first
[02:06] <pygi> minghua, presumably Java
[02:06] <Burgwork> depends on how fast Sun gets it out there
[02:06] <Burgwork> it is likely to miss SUSE 10.2  (due in Dec) and FC7 (Due in march)
[02:06] <minghua> pygi: yes, that comment was kind of tongue-in-the-cheek
[02:08] <rmjb> wonder if/how this hurts mono
[02:09] <pygi> rmjb, the novell & ms might cause mono a pain
[02:09] <pygi> not the java itself
[02:10] <rmjb> well for java to hurt mono it'll have to get wider desktop adoption, not just on linux... sure it'll be in most desktop distros in a year, but not in Vista... maybe not Mac... only time will tell though
[02:10] <rmjb> but it's fun to speculate
[02:14] <LaserJock> hmm, I hadn't thought of java and mono as being competitors
[02:18] <rmjb> well .NET is supposed to be a Java killer
[02:19] <pygi> rmjb, not really
[02:19] <pygi> MS doesn't see a threat in Java(at least they say so)
[02:20] <rmjb> well... it *was* supposed to be
[02:20] <pygi> right :P
[02:23] <jdong> heh, python takes this whole "floor division" thing too literally :D
[02:23] <jdong> it is actually floor division, not divide-and-truncate
[02:26] <joejaxx> is ther ea way to see all the bugs i have submitted?
[02:26] <joejaxx> only that back port one i submitted came up
[02:26] <joejaxx> i have submitted bugs before
[02:27] <minghua> joejaxx: go to your LP page, click on bugs, then click on submitted
[02:27] <joejaxx> i am on the reported page right now
[02:27] <joejaxx> but it only shows that bp bug
[02:28] <minghua> hmm...
[02:28] <joejaxx> for example
[02:28] <joejaxx> i submitted a bug about the usb device permissions
[02:28] <joejaxx> on dappaer
[02:28] <joejaxx> that does not show up
[02:28] <joejaxx> dapper*
[02:29] <minghua> have the bug number?
[02:29] <joejaxx> no i do not  :\
[02:29] <minghua> package name?
[02:29] <joejaxx> i can probably loko for it
[02:29] <joejaxx> look*
[02:30] <minghua> I have a suspicion that you used two different LP ids
[02:30] <joejaxx> minghua: how whould that have happened?
[02:30] <minghua> using two emails, for example
[02:31] <minghua> s/emails/email addresses/
[02:31] <joejaxx> i have always used the same email
[02:31] <joejaxx> :\
[02:36] <joejaxx> minghua: i was also subscribed to a fluxbox0.9>1.0rc2 sync bug
[02:36] <joejaxx> that does not come up
[02:40] <joejaxx> Bug #1
[02:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ubuntu-meta "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[02:40] <joejaxx> that is funny
[02:42] <minghua> joejaxx: you mean bug 62120?
[02:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62120 in fluxbox "Please sync fluxbox 0.9.15.1+1.0rc2-1 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62120
[02:43] <joejaxx> ahh yes
[02:43] <joejaxx> i was subscribed to that
[02:43] <joejaxx> because i was going to package fluxbox 1.0rc2
[02:43] <joejaxx> but found out someone requested sync
[02:43] <minghua> joejaxx: that doesn't show up because it's fixed
[02:44] <joejaxx> is there no way to show bugs i have submitted even if they were fixed?
[02:44] <minghua> joejaxx: to show all bugs you're subscribed, click the "advanced search", choose all status, then click search again
[02:44] <minghua> (maybe some LP guru know a better solution)
[02:45] <minghua> but I do what I can to navigate through LP labyrinth :-P
[02:46] <joejaxx> it comes up :D
[02:46] <joejaxx> minghua: thanks
[02:49] <joejaxx> minghua: wow i feel stupid
[02:49] <joejaxx> i had tha bug right on my wiki page haha
[02:49] <joejaxx> that*
[03:48] <LaserJock> interesting
[03:49] <LaserJock> there's an internet cafe here that has an 80 seat gaming lab
[03:53] <jdong> would a freeload-wifi script be multiverse material? :D
[03:53] <jdong> or acceptable in the Ubuntu repos at all? :D
[03:54] <crimsun> depends on the license
[03:56] <Simon80> lol, freeload-wifi?
[03:56] <Simon80> of your own creation?
[03:57] <jdong> my own creation
[03:57] <jdong> I'd license it however... GPL most likely
[03:57] <Simon80> the point of which is to connect to open access points?
[03:58] <Simon80> I'm just asking out of curiosity, by the way
[03:58] <Simon80> though, i think for that sort of connecting, networkmanager or ifplugd can do it
[03:58] <jdong> well, it's an automatic script that performs the steal-a-MAC-and-IP hack to get on Wayport access points
[03:58] <Simon80> Wayport?
[03:58] <Simon80> ok, cooler sounding
[03:58] <Simon80> :)
[03:58] <jdong> Simon80: the pay system that hotels and airports use?
[03:59] <jdong> the DHCP, then get stuck in a portal system?
[03:59] <superm1> steal a mac as in sniff for a mac in use and set your interface to it?
[03:59] <jdong> superm1: something like that ;-)
[03:59] <jdong> good old ngrep, nmap
[03:59] <Simon80> sounds illegal ;)
[03:59] <superm1> hehe, i've gotten online at an airport that way twice
[03:59] <joejaxx> any kernel hackers here?
[03:59] <jdong> Simon80: so? aircrack-ng is "illegal" :)
[03:59] <superm1> you have to battle with the person who really has that mac for a little bit though until you win and get to use it
[03:59] <Simon80> no, just the method of use
[03:59] <crimsun> joejaxx: a few.
[03:59] <jdong> superm1: yeah, I do it so often that I have scripted it
[04:00] <Simon80> not the app itself... shouldn't be at least, you never know in the US
[04:00] <jdong> err, I mean I'm hired to AUDIT wayport systems so often....
[04:00] <Simon80> lol
[04:00] <superm1> hehe lol
[04:00] <jdong> Simon80: ain't that the truth? ;-)
[04:00] <joejaxx> crimsun: i am going to need some for fluxbuntu
[04:00] <joejaxx> lol
[04:00] <crimsun> "need some"?
[04:00] <superm1> well if you dont get this in multiverse, i'd like to take a peak at it at some point either way :)
[04:00] <joejaxx> in the upcoming weeks
[04:00] <joejaxx> crimsun: kernel hackers
[04:00] <jdong> superm1: it's in the works right now
[04:00] <jdong> :)
[04:00] <crimsun> joejaxx: you don't just randomly call upon kernel hackers on your convenience
[04:00] <Simon80> ain't what the truth? what I said about the code legality?
[04:00] <joejaxx> crimsun: i know
[04:00] <jdong> Simon80: the in the US comment :D
[04:01] <Simon80> yeah
[04:01] <jdong> :-/
[04:01] <joejaxx> i mean i am going to need their help
[04:01] <crimsun> joejaxx: can you be more precise?
[04:01] <Simon80> ok, hehe
[04:01] <Simon80> I choose you, kernelhackachu
[04:01] <jdong> lol
[04:01] <jdong> just don't shoot lightning bolts
[04:01] <joejaxx> crimsun: i am going to need to have a cell processor supported kernel built
[04:01] <jdong> so... what is the policy on universe/multiverse and stuff like this?
[04:01] <jdong> clearly I gotta think of a good legal way of describing it
[04:01] <Simon80> my kernelhackachu shoots bolts of pure information
[04:01] <joejaxx> i think cell processors were added some times ago to upstream if i am not mistaken
[04:01] <jdong> but other than that....
[04:01] <crimsun> joejaxx: you don't need kernel hackers for that; you need to integrate what has been done upstream.
[04:02] <crimsun> joejaxx: right, much of the work exists already
[04:02] <Simon80> jdong: I don't think it matters what the app is for, it probably can be in universe
[04:02] <Simon80> rather than multiverse
[04:02] <jdong> hehe :)
[04:02] <joejaxx> crimsun: my area of expertise is not in kernels :\
[04:02] <superm1> how about you title it,  "Don't steal this wifi-script"
[04:02] <Simon80> but I'm not qualified to say
[04:02] <Simon80> lol
[04:02] <jdong> superm1: hehe :)
[04:02] <crimsun> joejaxx: feisty's already shipping 2.6.19-rc; what's lacking?
[04:03] <joejaxx> crimsun: the kernel might need to be modified
[04:03] <joejaxx> crimsun: i am not the one to do that
[04:03] <jdong> superm1: aww, I've been developing it under codename barnacle....
[04:03] <Simon80> lol
[04:03] <crimsun> joejaxx: the proper place to do that is upstream
[04:03] <superm1> hey jdong, i forgot to follow up with you on backporting the edgy mythtv to dapper.  can you get around to that at some point?
[04:04] <jdong> (although in all reality it's a lot more nasty than a barnacle)
[04:04] <superm1> haha
[04:04] <jdong> superm1: yeah sure, continue poking me or another backporter at 5 second intervals
[04:04] <jdong> :)
[04:04] <crimsun> oh geez.
[04:04] <jdong> I'll get to it tomorrow or Wednesday
[04:04] <superm1> well you know i figured its been a few weeks and all :)
[04:04] <ajmitch> joejaxx: what relevance does fluxbuntu have to cell processors?
[04:04] <superm1> awesome
[04:05] <jdong> superm1: hint: the guy who said oh geez realized that I just bought him a free ticket for spam :D
[04:05] <jdong> lol
[04:05] <jdong> j/k
[04:05] <crimsun> jdong: from the depths of hell I stab at thee
[04:06] <jdong> crimsun: ooh, shakespeare! ;-)
[04:06] <joejaxx> ajmitch: running it on a cell based arch
[04:07] <ajmitch> joejaxx: well obviously, but that's more for any distro, not just a derivative
[04:07] <ajmitch> since you'd need probably need to build the whole arch for it, if it can't use the ppc build
[04:08] <ajmitch> and I'm failing to see how fluxbuntu overlaps with cell
[04:08] <superm1> has it been established if ppc apps can directly run on the cell or if they need to be compiled for cell?
[04:09] <superm1> considering its a ppc based arch
[04:09] <jdong> would anyone like to suggest some good wording?
[04:09] <jdong> ;-)
[04:09] <superm1> "This script will allow you to test the security of access points at airports and hotels"
[04:10] <jdong> "Barnacle is an automated script to test for a common vulnerability WI-FI pay-for-access hotspots."
[04:10] <Simon80> lol
[04:10] <jdong> :D
[04:10] <joejaxx> lol
[04:10] <joejaxx> ie
[04:10] <joejaxx> wireless infiltration
[04:10] <jdong> joejaxx: quiet you!
[04:10] <Simon80> how can that work, though? wouldn't 2 compies with same mac address cause screwuppage/
[04:10] <Simon80> ?
[04:11] <jdong> Simon80: it's wifi
[04:11] <jdong> Simon80: the AP has no idea that it's two systems spoofing the same MAC
[04:11] <joejaxx> lol
[04:11] <superm1> well when i did it, i did fight back and forth with someone until it was clear they gave up
[04:11] <jdong> Simon80: if this was tried on a wired network, the switch would scream bloody murder
[04:11] <superm1> since my second wifi card didnt see any more packets coming from their card
[04:11] <jdong> superm1: it causes tremendous (50-60%) packet loss for both sides
[04:11] <joejaxx> ajmitch: pm?
[04:12] <jdong> and RST packets on any connection that lasts for more than a good 5 seconds
[04:12] <superm1> yea thats what i experienced
[04:12] <jdong> but still, it works
[04:12] <Simon80> lol
[04:12] <superm1> especially once they give up:)
[04:12] <Simon80> that's nice and evil
[04:12] <jdong> best of all, you probably will frustrate the other guy :)
[04:12] <jdong> and they'll pack up and call customer service bitching :D
[04:12] <Simon80> I don't like it, there is a victim
[04:12] <jdong> Simon80: there is a victim :-/
[04:12] <jdong> which is why this is a security auditing tool
[04:13] <superm1> dont call him a victim.  that makes him sound innocent.  he's a culprit of the pay for wifi scam going on at airports
[04:13] <jdong> (and which is why you don't bittorrent or dist-upgrade while sharing an IP)
[04:13] <jdong> sharing used very broadly here :D
[04:13] <Simon80> superm1: lol, I agree, dammit\
[04:13] <superm1> what i dont get is why the smaller airports will include wifi for free and then the bigger ones charge
[04:13] <jdong> "Barnacle is an automated script used to share a MAC and IP address with a buddy"
[04:13] <superm1> hehe
[04:13] <joejaxx> haha
[04:14] <ajmitch> joejaxx: if you wish
[04:14] <superm1> s/buddy/unknown buddy/
[04:15] <Simon80> because the smaller airports are run by people and not bureaucratobots
[04:15] <jdong> superm1: I've actually seen a case where this triggered XP's "duplicate machine detected"
[04:15] <jdong> which shut off their network card
[04:15] <jdong> :)
[04:15] <Simon80> lol
[04:15] <jdong> that could explain the other user "giving up"
[04:15] <Simon80> linux > winXP
[04:15] <superm1> very convenient then
[04:15] <jdong> linux doesn't care if you're sharing an IP :D
[04:15] <Simon80> lol
[04:16] <Simon80> so is this script published somewhere? it's less work than doing research
[04:17] <jdong> Simon80: I'm polishing it up right now
[04:17] <Simon80> err... my focus switch is fucked, and I'm too lazy to restart X
[04:17] <jdong> Simon80: I got a semi-working proof-of-concept
[04:17] <jdong> I wanna tidy it up, and automate it a bit more
[04:17] <Simon80> yeah
[04:17] <jdong> then I'll push a bzr branch of it somewhere
[04:17] <superm1> well if you have it finished up by this sunday, i should be flying on sunday
[04:18] <superm1> and can test it out of midway airport in chicago
[04:18] <jdong> hehe
[04:18] <jdong> I have two local bookstores/cafes that use this system
[04:18] <jdong> so plenty of testage
[04:18] <superm1> very nice then
[04:18] <jdong> :)
[04:18] <jdong> muahaha
[04:19] <jdong> it's freakin unfair though... I pay near 4 bucks for a cup of coffee
[04:19] <jdong> and they charge $10 for 4 hours of internet access
[04:19] <superm1> wow
[04:19] <Simon80> lol
[04:19] <jdong> (this particular wayport system has another bug that the two DNS servers and the backup router MAC are all whitelisted for internet access)
[04:20] <jdong> so if you steal one of those, there's no real victim :)
[04:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> well
[04:20] <superm1> how did you figure out the backup router mac though?
[04:20] <jdong> which clears it ethically in my mind
[04:20] <jdong> superm1: there was nobody at the bookstore
[04:20] <jdong> and 5 systems returned an ARPING
[04:20] <superm1> ah bingo
[04:20] <jdong> all with cisco MACs
[04:21] <jdong> and reporting either Cisco or embedded Linux firmware
[04:21] <Telroth_Plushie|> someone should get sattilite internet, and then broadcast a wifi signal into an airport, the airport can't block it legally :)
[04:22] <jdong> superm1: ettercap has some really mean tricks up its sleeve
[04:22] <jdong> :)
[04:22] <superm1> i made the mistake of experimenting with it in the office for the first time when i was sitting in cube farm
[04:22] <superm1> and executed a mitm attack between a wifi and ethernet interface
[04:23] <superm1> i was hearing complaints for the next 5 hours
[04:23] <superm1> all across the office
[04:23] <Simon80> lol
[04:23] <jdong> lol
[04:23] <jdong> yeah, I started pressing ettercap buttons while hooked up to a hotel lobby ethernet jack
[04:23] <superm1> it was fairly cool though to run aimsniff on it and just watch some of the stuff people talked about at work
[04:23] <jdong> I had no clue what I was doing
[04:23] <jdong> but I started overhearing front desk calls
[04:24] <Simon80> you script kiddies
[04:24] <jdong> and they were all about the network
[04:24] <superm1> haha
[04:24] <jdong> the clerks were saying "have you tried unplugging and replugging the cable"
[04:24] <jdong> and I was like oh crap
[04:24] <jdong> and quietly packet up
[04:24] <ajmitch> why kids shouldn't be allowed to play with these toys
[04:24] <Simon80> jdong: winXP - the alibi OS
[04:24] <jdong> lol
[04:25] <jdong> Simon80: my laptops don't flaunt their Linux OS
[04:25] <Simon80> eh?
[04:25] <superm1> ajmitch, you really dont have any stories about playing with networking in places you shouldnt be?
[04:25] <jdong> Simon80: I learned that when TSA started inspecting laptops
[04:25] <jdong> Simon80: I got a nice comprehensive search because my laptop wasn't booting Windows
[04:25] <Simon80> lol
[04:25] <Simon80> yeah
[04:25] <Simon80> fucking antitrust
[04:25] <jdong> I had a non-usplash CLI ubuntu setup at the time
[04:25] <Simon80> how can you not "flaunt" it
[04:25] <jdong> bad decision :)
[04:25] <Simon80> hide grub menu?
[04:25] <ajmitch> superm1: I generally don't try & break the world
[04:26] <jdong> Simon80: hide grub, boot windows :)
[04:26] <jdong> boot menu for that other OS :)
[04:26] <superm1> ajmitch, hehe
[04:26] <Simon80> what do you mean by boot menu for that other OS?
[04:27] <jdong> Simon80: mr. F8; BIOS boot menu
[04:27] <Simon80> the most I can think of is set windows as default grub entry, hide grub menu like, 3 secs
[04:27] <superm1> i've had TSA look at the ubuntu sticker on my laptop, and ask me what it was, but never give me trouble.  jdong what kind of comprehensive search did they put you through?
[04:27] <jdong> Simon80: I've got multiple bootable partitions
[04:27] <Simon80> ah
[04:27] <jdong> Simon80: I dd different ones to the active boot partition depending on the situation
[04:27] <Simon80> my BIOS doesn't give me that level of power :(
[04:27] <Simon80> ...ah
[04:27] <Hobbsee> what's TSA?
[04:28] <jdong> superm1: they pulled me off to the side and checked all my carry-ons
[04:28] <Simon80> US transport safety admin
[04:28] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[04:28] <jdong> superm1: and I had to explain what Linux was, and it wasn't evil
[04:28] <Simon80> lol, hi
[04:28] <jdong> superm1: they forced me to bring up a GUI environment
[04:28] <Simon80> linux: the evil OS
[04:28] <superm1> wow
[04:28] <Simon80> oh the horror!
[04:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> ...
[04:28] <jdong> fortunately I had GNOME installed
[04:28] <Simon80> wtf?
[04:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> what airports do you go to?
[04:28] <jdong> if I didn't, I have no idea where I would've been
[04:28] <superm1> so what if you didnt have a GUI, what would you have done !
[04:28] <jdong> Telroth_Plushie|: metro detroit, that time
[04:28] <Simon80> why does a GUI env have any relevance?
[04:28] <jdong> Simon80: gui looks non-terrorist?
[04:28] <minghua> these kind of stories seem common these days
[04:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> i ran three linux laptops through two different airports last month
[04:29] <jdong> Simon80: shell prompt seem more hacker-ish?
[04:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> nobody even opened them
[04:29] <Simon80> jdong: makes my blood boil
[04:29] <minghua> I just read one about getting arrested for 24 hours because of a ball made of rubber bands
[04:29] <Simon80> read that, minghua
[04:29] <Simon80> also bad
[04:29] <jdong> superm1: I have no idea what would've happened if I didn't install X on that system
[04:29] <jdong> superm1: and I almost didn't too
[04:29] <Simon80> what'd they say, anyway?
[04:30] <Simon80> how did they indicate that a GUI was required to not be a terrorist
[04:30] <jdong> superm1: it was an embedded linux coprocessor for our robot (USFIRST competition)...
[04:30] <Simon80> ..........grrrrr!
[04:30] <superm1> ah i see
[04:30] <jdong> Simon80: it's retarded, I know
[04:30] <jdong> Simon80: it puzzled me just as much
[04:30] <jdong> superm1: that box needed uclibc and that's about it....
[04:30] <Simon80> makes me sooo mad, moreso that you were using it for FIRST
[04:30] <jdong> superm1: but I decided to give it a full Ubuntu install
[04:30] <superm1> well good thing then
[04:30] <jdong> Simon80: I think it was the fact that I was travelling with an entire FIRST team that they finally let me off
[04:31] <jdong> Simon80: these TSA guys were like panicking, thinking they nabbed a terrorist :D
[04:31] <Telroth_Plushie|> jdong, should've asked to see a search warrent :P
[04:31] <jdong> Telroth_Plushie|: I was afraid arguing with them would've lead to more trouble
[04:31] <jdong> oh well
[04:31] <jdong> back to coding barnacles
[04:32] <superm1> yay for the rest of us people who want to test the security of waypoints :)
[04:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> what's the best tool for cracking wifi encryption?
[04:32] <Simon80> aircrack-ng???
[04:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> airsnort still any good?
[04:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> havne't heard of that one, will have to try it.
[04:33] <Telroth_Plushie|> any other suggestions?
[04:33] <imbrandon> Telroth_Plushie|, how does that pertain to ubuntu development ?
[04:33] <Telroth_Plushie|> imbrandon, it didn't, but when jdong mentioned barnacles, it made me wonder if there were any good tools for it.
[04:33] <Telroth_Plushie|> sry if i shouldn't have asked here.
[04:34] <Simon80> there's an -offtopic chan
[04:34] <Simon80> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQECwm3erEs&mode=related&search=
[04:36] <chillywi1ly> um, yea maybe you should use it
[04:37] <Simon80> use what?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> use the offtopic channel, i expect
[04:41] <Simon80> haha, yeah, good point
[04:41] <Simon80> but I was searching for a video relevant to earlier TSA discussion in this chan, and I sort of compromised with that irrelevant link
[04:45] <jdong> imbrandon: sorry, I guess I started all the OT talk when I asked my question about universe inclusion policies....
[04:45] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:46] <jdong> imbrandon: it is a useful script though ;-)
[04:58] <zakame> hi all
[05:01] <imbrandon> heya zakame
[05:02] <zakame> yo imbrandon
[05:03] <zakame> refresh me: what's the right process for requesting a sync?
[05:03] <zakame> file a bug on said package with request, then subscribe ubuntu-archive to it?
[05:03] <imbrandon> make sure it builds, installs and removes clean and file a bug, get a MOTU to ack it if your not one, and subscribe U-A
[05:03] <imbrandon> yea
[05:04] <crimsun> yes. Make sure you include all relevant new changelog entries with acks to override Ubuntu changes if necessary.
[05:04] <zakame> ah kk
[05:04] <crimsun> and since you're a MOTU, that's not a prob.
[05:04] <zakame> i'm doing gr-wxgui now
[05:04] <Hobbsee> zakame: there's a script that will do mos tof that, if you're interested
[05:04] <zakame> Hobbsee: hmm grab-merge.sh?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> zakame: requestsync, actually
[05:05] <Hobbsee> zakame: w.u.c/DeveloperResources
[05:05] <zakame> Hobbsee: oh cool!
[05:06] <Hobbsee> zakame: very :)
[05:06] <zakame> (give-thanks Hobbse crimsun imbrandon)
[05:07] <crimsun> Yes.
[05:07] <crimsun> sorry, too much ML
[05:07] <crimsun> err, Prolog
[05:08] <Hobbsee> zakame: and pitti
[05:08] <Hobbsee> zakame: he wrote most of it.  oh, and TheMuso
[05:08] <zakame> (give-thanks pitti TheMuso)
[05:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:12] <Simon80> omg, finally, I found the video I was after
[05:12] <Simon80> this is with regards to that TSA discussion from forever ago
[05:12] <Simon80> http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54
[05:14] <Simon80> for those who weren't around, TSA sees linux CLI boot up on laptop and takes jdong aside for extra searching, then gets all uppity on him till he shows them a gui
[05:14] <Simon80> so, hopefully, that explains why I went to all this trouble to find that video :(
[05:14] <imbrandon> jwhitlark, welcome to the universe chan :)
[05:14] <Simon80> haha
[05:14] <jwhitlark> heh.
[05:14] <superm1> hey imbrandon
[05:15] <jwhitlark> I feel a They Might Be Giants song coming on...
[05:15] <imbrandon> ello superm1
[05:15] <zakame> lol
[05:15] <jwhitlark> imbrandon, so is devel for core?
[05:16] <imbrandon> yea, for the most part
[05:16] <imbrandon> there is overlap but mostly
[05:16] <ajmitch> there are some which we worship & grovel before, like imbrandon
[05:16] <jwhitlark> k, I'll take my newbie ass out of it, then :>
[05:16] <imbrandon> HAHA
[05:16] <Simon80> lol
[05:20] <superm1> imbrandon, so about that branch ;)?
[05:21] <crimsun> wow, two motu celebs active at the same time!
[05:21] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock
[05:21] <Hobbsee> indeed!
[05:21] <Hobbsee> all we need is bddebian, too
[05:21] <LaserJock> yeah, crimsun and imbrandon
[05:21] <imbrandon> superm1, one sec
[05:21] <superm1> k
[05:21] <crimsun> pssht, I'm a mere mortal
[05:21] <LaserJock> hah
[05:21] <LaserJock> crimsun: I know you too well to believe that ;-)
[05:22] <bddebian> For what?
[05:23] <zakame> lol
[05:24] <crimsun> ah, the trinity is complete
[05:24] <LaserJock> haha
[05:24] <ajmitch> heh
[05:25] <imbrandon> lol
[05:25] <bddebian> crimsun, LaserJock, and ajmitch?
[05:26] <crimsun> nah, bddebian, LaserJock, and imbrandon
[05:26] <LaserJock> we're starting to sound like RMS, this is bad :-)
[05:26] <crimsun> LaserJock has to be in it, since he's raging motuaholic
[05:26] <imbrandon> arg, RMS /me twitches
[05:26] <bddebian> HELL no
[05:26] <bddebian>  :-)
[05:27] <LaserJock> http://www.stallman.org/saintignucius.jpg
[05:27] <imbrandon> omg
[05:27] <zakame> hmm where's that `i'm a pc, i'm a mac, i'm a gnu` thing?
[05:27] <zakame> saw that at 4chan earlier
[05:28] <bddebian> Hey, any of you gonna care if I throw gnumach, mig, and possibly hurd packages in Feisty? :-)
[05:28] <crimsun> of course we'll care (and thank you repeatedly)
[05:28] <imbrandon> well yea we'll care as in yes it good, but not the bad way :)
[05:29] <bddebian> :-)
[05:29] <imbrandon> welp the lappy is now feisty, lets see how this works
[05:29] <imbrandon> the next few weeks
[05:29] <bddebian> That is provided my "November 6th" go-live date doesn't move to past Feisty roll-out :'-(
[05:29] <imbrandon> :)
[05:30] <imbrandon> bddebian, are you helping with gNewSense ?
[05:30] <nixternal> isn't stallman giving a racist salute in that picture?
[05:30] <imbrandon> heya nixternal
[05:30] <nixternal> well hello there
[05:30] <bddebian> imbrandon: No
[05:30] <nixternal> i think the food i cooked tonight was poisoned
[05:31] <imbrandon> not cool
[05:31] <nixternal> heh
[05:31] <Simon80> you ninja
[05:31] <nixternal> tell me about it
[05:31] <LaserJock> nixternal: did you gf start throwing up?
[05:31] <nixternal> imbrandon: running feisty on my other machine already
[05:31] <crimsun> he wouldn't be on irc if she had.
[05:31] <imbrandon> wow my typing is rubbing off on LaserJock
[05:31] <nixternal> someone asked how is it, i said edgy ;)
[05:31] <nixternal> she left
[05:31] <nixternal> haha
[05:31] <bddebian> heh
[05:31] <nixternal> probably never see her again
[05:32] <zakame> awwww
[05:32] <nixternal> forget awwww
[05:32] <jwhitlark> gf's get in the way of quality coding.
[05:32] <nixternal> \o/ \o/ \o/
[05:32] <crimsun> oh don't worry, at least you have #kubuntu{,-devel}
[05:32] <nixternal> YAY
[05:32] <imbrandon> lol
[05:33] <zakame> brb lunch
[05:35] <ajmitch> if I want to have any chance of staying even remotely close to the MOTU legends, I have to get stuck in now
[05:35] <crimsun> yeah, friggin K2 to scale
[05:36] <ajmitch> it'll take me 6 years to do what these guys do in 6 hours
[05:37] <imbrandon> hahaha
[05:37] <imbrandon> i just talk alot and loudly :)
[05:37] <ajmitch> no, you don't measure your output by such trifling amounts
[05:37] <imbrandon> ( and get called a redneck by the brits )
[05:37] <bddebian> heh
[05:38] <LaserJock> imbrandon: hehe
[05:38] <LaserJock> they just don't appreciate the finer points of redneck culture ;-)
[05:38] <imbrandon> lol
[05:39] <imbrandon> like the fact that i _purchaced_ the camo ball cap i wore all week already frayed
[05:39] <imbrandon> :)
[05:39] <ajmitch> oh yes
[05:39] <LaserJock> you actually bought a cap?
[05:39] <ajmitch> that's real culture :)
[05:39] <joejaxx> imbrandon: lol
[05:39] <imbrandon> i think jono about died laughing when i told him i bought it like that
[05:39] <joejaxx> that is funny
[05:40] <jwhitlark> imbrandon: you got extra points because nobody knows what team it's for.
[05:40] <crimsun> brandon fashioned his camo ball cap out of tree bark like any true deity would
[05:40] <LaserJock> dude, I always go my caps from feed stored and parts stores for free ;-)
[05:40] <imbrandon> jwhitlark, hahahaha
[05:40] <Amaranth> haha, leslie needed a vacation after our visit
[05:40] <imbrandon> yea she is on vacation this week she said
[05:40] <jwhitlark> leslie got a little trashed by the end of the night...
[05:41] <Amaranth> imbrandon: two weeks
[05:41] <ajmitch> jwhitlark: a little? :)
[05:41] <imbrandon> jwhitlark, every night
[05:41] <imbrandon> ( as most of us did, well a good percentage )
[05:41] <Amaranth> i feel bad, i drank all her brandy
[05:41] <Amaranth> it came from amsterdam or something
[05:41] <jwhitlark> I bought her a double scotch, and she downed it like nothing...
[05:41] <jwhitlark> well, bought might not be the right word...
[05:41] <ajmitch> since it was on her tab?
[05:42] <jwhitlark> ajmitch: nah, I know the owner.
[05:42] <imbrandon> well i started on corona at the begning of the night , then double crown and cokes and then wine, then more corona, then scotch
[05:42] <ajmitch> ah
[05:42] <imbrandon> i was a little sloshed
[05:42] <ajmitch> heh
[05:42] <LaserJock> imbrandon: you didn't bring any chew did you?
[05:42] <jwhitlark> imbrandon: a little? :)
[05:42] <imbrandon> LaserJock, hahaha no just marlboro's
[05:43] <imbrandon> all the fun was on the back porch when jane and the MS guy came out back with the smokers to BS
[05:43] <jwhitlark> LaserJock: he smoked so much, that just standing near him my wife thought I had been smoking all night.
[05:43] <Amaranth> yeah, that was cool
[05:43] <imbrandon> LOL
[05:43] <Amaranth> who was that guy, anyway?
[05:43] <jwhitlark> yea?
[05:43] <imbrandon> a community guy from MS
[05:44] <imbrandon> a old friend of jane
[05:44] <Amaranth> ah
[05:44] <jwhitlark> :O MS has community guys?
[05:44] <jwhitlark> or anti-community..
[05:44] <Amaranth> we had a nice line-for-bathroom/smoker group back there for most of the dinner
[05:44] <imbrandon> jwhitlark, the guy in the beenie and flannels was the MS guy
[05:44] <imbrandon> lol
[05:45] <imbrandon> Amaranth, well me and BenC spent about 60% of the dinner back there
[05:45] <Amaranth> kurt skipped the line and used the woman's restroom, that was funny
[05:45] <jwhitlark> heh.  200 person capacity, 2 bathrooms.
[05:45] <ajmitch> Amaranth: that's kurt though
[05:45] <imbrandon> and eveyone else kinda joined in untill jane came back to find out "where the party was"
[05:45] <jwhitlark> that sounds like kurt.
[05:45] <Amaranth> imbrandon: trying to escape the never empty glasses of wine? :)
[05:45] <imbrandon> Amaranth, nah, i dont think i ever escaped that
[05:45] <ajmitch> I'm sure I only had 2 or 3 glasses
[05:45] <Amaranth> i drank about 1 1/2 glasses before i figured it out and stopped :P
[05:45] <ajmitch> but I can't be sure :)
[05:45] <jwhitlark> the never empty glasses of wine were the best part!
[05:46] <imbrandon> i dont think benC did either as he found where the bus kept the plastic bags
[05:46] <jwhitlark> well, I guess the company was ok too..
[05:46] <Amaranth> imbrandon: ouch
[05:46] <imbrandon> that was classic, no poke game that night
[05:46] <ajmitch> imbrandon: oh?
[05:46] <imbrandon> poker*
[05:46] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea , on the way home, he found them as soon as the bus started moving
[05:47] <ajmitch> heh
[05:47] <ajmitch> were they used?
[05:47] <imbrandon> yes, very
[05:47] <LaserJock> hmmm
[05:47] <ajmitch> I stopped long before I felt that need
[05:47] <imbrandon> well he went streigh to the room and a bunch of us found the pool side and a bottle of scotch
[05:48] <Amaranth> how long were you out after you went back to the hotel for your passport?
[05:48] <LaserJock> I'd much rather have water then that nasty stuff, but oh well ;-)
[05:48] <ajmitch> Amaranth: got back in about 1:30
[05:48] <Amaranth> ouch
[05:48] <Amaranth> no wonder whiprush was a pain to wake up :P
[05:48] <ajmitch> only had a couple of pints of beer
[05:48] <ajmitch> yeah, whiprush came back about 2:30
[05:49] <imbrandon> i dont think i went to the room untill the sun was comming up
[05:50] <Amaranth> heh
[05:50] <Amaranth> that was the same day i slept until 8:30 and felt like crap all day
[05:50] <Amaranth> i was lucky to make it to midnight
[05:51] <imbrandon> well i dident get torn up untill the last night
[05:51] <imbrandon> so i could sleep on the plane
[05:51] <Amaranth> heh, good plan
[05:51] <jwhitlark> imbrandon: and miss SF
[05:51] <imbrandon> hahah jwhitlark yea that too, i slept the whole next day
[05:51] <bddebian> There isn't much to miss in SF
[05:52] <jwhitlark> did you guys ever get to the computer history museum?
[05:52] <Amaranth> nope
[05:52] <imbrandon> some did , i never did myself
[05:52] <Amaranth> they're only open like 12 hours a week
[05:52] <jwhitlark> I live near, and I still haven't.
[05:53] <jwhitlark> When will we know where the next conf. will be?
[05:53] <Amaranth> we already know
[05:53] <Amaranth> but i've forgotten
[05:53] <imbrandon> mark said possibly in spain
[05:53] <Hobbsee> wow, spain?
[05:53] <jwhitlark> I heard possibly too.
[05:53] <imbrandon> but it wont be official untill about a month before
[05:53] <LaserJock> I was thinking England
[05:53] <jwhitlark> ah.
[05:53] <Amaranth> brasil! :D
[05:54] <ajmitch> it's already been in spain, of course
[05:54] <LaserJock> it'll be offical much earlier this time
[05:54] <Hobbsee> oh good
[05:54] <imbrandon> LaserJock, after they played that brazilian video he said maybe southern spain
[05:54] <LaserJock> they talked about planning the UDSs much earlier
[05:54] <jwhitlark> it better be.  Airfair 1 month before would suck.
[05:54] <jwhitlark> anyone going to pycon in Feb?
[05:54] <imbrandon> not i
[05:54] <LaserJock> they said they need more time for corporate sponsors
[05:55] <ajmitch> hah
[05:56] <Amaranth> i'm going to the ohio thing next year though even if i have to take a bus
[05:57] <Lathiat> ohio
[05:57] <Lathiat> ?
[05:58] <Amaranth> ohio linuxfest
[05:58] <Lathiat> ah right
[06:06] <jwhitlark> ?
[06:11] <LaserJock> I just hope Ubucon comes back to Mt. View
[06:11] <imbrandon> LaserJock, New York is what jono and them were talking about, dunno how solid that info is ( UberUbuCon )
[06:12] <LaserJock> well, the plan was to have 2 Ubucons a year
[06:12] <LaserJock> on East Coast
[06:12] <LaserJock> *one
[06:12] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:12] <LaserJock> and one at Google
[06:13] <LaserJock> but I don't know if that's changed now that Canonical seems to be taking it over ;-)
[06:13] <imbrandon> well they were talking actualy about lots of little ubucons ( all accross the country ) and the big one ( uberubucon ) the weekend before or after the UDS in the same place
[06:13] <minghua> nobody thinks of Texans :-(
[06:13] <jwhitlark> minghua: that's where Pycon is... ;)
[06:13] <LaserJock> Texans don't think of anybody else either ;-)
[06:14] <minghua> hmm, so PyCon will be in Dallas, nice
[06:31] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:31] <ajmitch> night bddebian
[06:32] <bddebian> Later ajmitch
[06:36] <zakame> hmm what's the importance setting for request-for-sync bugs?
[06:36] <zakame> I see requestsync doesn't touch it, so its `undecided'
[06:38] <LaserJock> does it need to be changed?
[06:39] <zakame> should it?
[06:39] <zakame> maybe not
[06:44] <Hobbsee> zakame: dont think so.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> zakame: keybuk/kamion just go thru and ack the syncs, if they're right
[06:45] <Hobbsee> zakame: you dont really even need to set it to confirmed
[06:45] <Hobbsee> Uptime: 3 hours and 20 minutes
[06:45] <Hobbsee> bah, 22min left
[06:46] <zakame> Hobbsee: ok, thanks, I'm doing lucene
[06:46] <zakame> Hobbsee: mind if I get back some of my former merges from you? :)
[06:46] <LaserJock> you've gone 3.5 hrs without being plugged in?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> zakame: sure, just be warned that some people have already requested syncs/merges for packages that dont have them listed.  i'm not working on anything at the moment :)
[06:48] <Hobbsee> zakame: go for it
[06:48] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yep
[06:48] <zakame> ok thanks again :D
[06:48] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: beats my old laptop, of 1hr, 20 mins, tops
[06:48] <Hobbsee> zakame: :)
[06:49] <LaserJock> yeah, mine is generally 1hr
[06:49] <LaserJock> maybe 1.5 if I'm not doing much
[06:49] <Hobbsee> zakame: any of the packages maintained by the KDE extras team in debian - probably leave them - we should get the changes into debian, and just sync all of them
[06:49] <imbrandon> bah , finaly made the blog post i've been putting off and it sucks, i should give up blogging :)
[06:49] <Hobbsee> this is about 4, if i'm not playing games or something
[06:49] <ajmitch> imbrandon: on planet?
[06:49] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea
[06:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: rofl @ the "good looking one" bit
[06:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you stole that from Riddell
[06:50] <imbrandon> :)
[06:50] <ajmitch> so modest
[06:51] <ajmitch> hopefully I won't be in many photos
[06:51] <imbrandon> thats ok i had to zoom in with gimp and explain to my New type S.O. that i WANSENT holding seele's hand in the pic
[06:52] <ajmitch> haha
[06:52] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ^
[06:52] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[06:52] <Simon80> awww, lol
[06:52] <ajmitch> though it looks awfully close to that...
[06:52] <Hobbsee> wouldnt be the first pic that looked awful suss
[06:52] <imbrandon> yea it does, i never noticed till hse said something when we were looking over the photos
[06:52] <Simon80> lol
[06:53] <Simon80> yeah, me neither, but it is pretty close
[06:53] <imbrandon> s/hse/she
[06:53] <imbrandon> i'm actualy about 1ft infront of her, but it dont look that way in the pic
[06:54] <ajmitch> heh
[06:54] <Simon80> you can tell, your feet
[06:54] <imbrandon> yea
[06:54] <ajmitch> Simon80: don't spoil it
[06:54] <imbrandon> still i was like SH*T, i had to look twice even though i was there
[06:54] <Simon80> lol
[06:54] <Hobbsee> we'll just tease the redneck anyway
[06:55] <imbrandon> lol , yea that was my redneck idea :)
[06:55] <Simon80> lol, yeah, I bet after the lack of sleep you got the shit scared out of you by not being sure
[06:55] <imbrandon> and on the google master plan low tech wiki in the lobby i put a k infront of all the ubuntu marks :)
[06:55] <Hobbsee> :D
[06:56] <ajmitch> 'low tech wiki' indeed
[06:56] <Simon80> night
[06:56] <imbrandon> i think dholobach got pics of it
[06:56] <imbrandon> err
[06:56] <ajmitch> too much star trek
[06:56] <imbrandon> well spelled correctly
[06:56] <Hobbsee> kubuntu's going to take over.  we knew that all along.  is gnome got better, of course...
[06:56] <imbrandon> lol
[06:56] <Simon80> save the dying battery! don't pull the plug!
[06:56] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: such a shame noone uses kubuntu though
[06:57] <Riddell> ?
[06:57] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it'll catch on.
[06:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sorry for the highlight
[06:57] <ajmitch> hi Riddell
[06:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and hello, glad you seemed to get back
[06:57] <imbrandon> haha did you see the linux journal "distro of the year" award thet ubuntu got? all the text and screen shots are kubuntu :)
[06:57] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ^
[06:57] <Simon80> the biggest reason I don't use KDE, go ahead and laugh at me, is gnome's system-monitor applet
[06:58] <Hobbsee> Simon80: system monitor applet?  which one?
[06:58] <Simon80> haven't tried kubuntu though, just kde on gentoo
[06:58] <imbrandon> Simon80, umm kde has a sysmon applet too :)
[06:58] <Simon80> but it sucks
[06:58] <Simon80> I've tried it
[06:58] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, it was a joke :)
[06:59] <Simon80> less space used for displaying graph, not quite in real time
[06:59] <zakame> there's a symptoms applet?
[06:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i realise that, i just thought it was slightly random - and uncalled for :P
[06:59] <Simon80> and IIRC the line is fat
[06:59] <zakame> oh, misread that?
[06:59] <ajmitch> minghua: only if it hits them
[06:59] <imbrandon> i guess i should have added to the post that i got made freenode staff reciently too last week
[06:59] <Hobbsee> minghua: we've had discussions before on whether defenestrating people violates the COC
[06:59] <imbrandon> oh well there will be another soon
[06:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: way cool!  you can fix everything!
[06:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: kline ajmitch!
[06:59] <Hobbsee> :D
[06:59] <Simon80> hobbsee: the applet I mean is the awesome one for gnome-panel that updates in real time and shows me cpu, mem, swap, and net
[07:00] <imbrandon> lol i cant kline yet, i'm only level1 :)
[07:00] <Hobbsee> oh right
[07:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: awww :(
[07:00] <ajmitch> oh, you can't?
[07:00] <joejaxx> what is the applet that tells you to take a break?
[07:00] <Hobbsee> klines are fun :)
[07:00] <imbrandon> ajmitch, not untill i'm a level one staff for a few weeks
[07:00] <imbrandon> :)
[07:00] <Simon80> ...........must sleep
[07:00] <ajmitch> great, a few weeks to cause havoc
[07:00] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: rsibreak?
[07:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh, you didnt...
[07:01] <imbrandon> Riddell, is that the jono pic?
[07:01] <zakame> heheh
[07:01] <lastnode> Burgundavia, ping
[07:01] <imbrandon> Riddell, i hesitated putting that up
[07:01] <Hobbsee> hahahha, you did1
[07:01] <minghua> Hobbsee: "defenestrating"?
[07:01] <ajmitch> Riddell: bad, bad photos :)
[07:01] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: defenestrating? you like that word way too much ;-)
[07:01] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: indeed.  i've worked it into exams before, too
[07:01] <Hobbsee> minghua: the act of throwing someone or something out the window
[07:02] <joejaxx> Riddell: LMAO
[07:02] <zakame> there ought to be something like a 2channel for *ubuntu
[07:02] <minghua> is that a real word?
[07:02] <minghua> because I can't find it in dictionary
[07:02] <Simon80> yes
[07:03] <Hobbsee> zakame: what for?
[07:03] <LaserJock> minghua: it is actually. I had to look it up because I didn't believe it was a real word either
[07:03] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: no it was for gnome
[07:03] <LaserJock> minghua: silly Aussies
[07:03] <minghua> hmm, I probably should change dictionary
[07:04] <imbrandon> dictionary.com :)
[07:04] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: timer-applet
[07:04] <ajmitch> workrave?
[07:04] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: ah ok thanks
[07:04] <Hobbsee> oh dear
[07:04] <minghua> "Defenestration is ... Merriam-Webster's dictionary users named it as one of their favorite words of the year in 2004."
[07:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: oy, staffer.
[07:04] <minghua> from wikipedia
[07:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: better poke some other staffer
[07:05] <imbrandon> ?
[07:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: someone just ran the exploit in #ubuntu again
[07:05] <Hobbsee> oh, the guy quit
[07:05] <Hobbsee> moron
[07:06] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: what was the nick?
[07:06] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, who was it ?
[07:07] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: langer_
[07:07] <imbrandon> k
[07:07] <Hobbsee> Langer_ n=Langerso n128-227-97-124.xlate.ufl.edu * Langer
[07:07] <zakame> what exploit is that?
[07:07] <Hobbsee> !explot
[07:07] <Hobbsee> !exploit
[07:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about explot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:07] <ubotu> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[07:07] <imbrandon> some routers can be kicked offline by a DCC exploit
[07:08] <lastnode> !exploit
[07:08] <Riddell> UDS dudes: anyone remember what this talk was about?  http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/2006-11-11-uds/100_0750.JPG
[07:08] <DBO> Hobbsee, he didnt quit, I banned him, he was loling
[07:08] <imbrandon> although iirc they should get autyo kline when they try
[07:08] <Hobbsee> DBO: yeah, but he quit freenode
[07:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: only when nalioth's not set as away
[07:08] <DBO> Hobbsee, ahh
[07:08] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea
[07:09] <imbrandon> Riddell, thats the security based remote os that uses kubuntu
[07:09] <Hobbsee> showing off kde, it looks like
[07:09] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[07:09] <DBO> Riddell, no, but thats me pushing my hair back in the blue shirt
[07:09] <Hobbsee> DBO: so you went, but have no clue what was said?
[07:10] <Riddell> imbrandon: don't suppose you caught the name?
[07:10] <DBO> Hobbsee, no I just dont recognize the speaker
[07:10] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:10] <imbrandon> Riddell, rember the secure remote desktop stuff
[07:10] <imbrandon> that was it
[07:10] <imbrandon> it was based on kubuntu
[07:10] <imbrandon> dapper kubuntu iirc
[07:10] <joejaxx> Riddell: secure remote administration
[07:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: write me Seveas' script for konvi please, kthnksybe!
[07:11] <imbrandon> i forget the company name
[07:11] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, hahaha , yea i will someday
[07:11] <LaserJock> what's the way to call the default browser from CLI?
[07:11] <imbrandon> for now i just set aliases
[07:11] <Amaranth> LaserJock: gnome-specific?
[07:11] <imbrandon> LaserJock, in kde or gnome ?
[07:12] <LaserJock> I was hoping for a DE neutral way
[07:12] <LaserJock> but Gnome is ok
[07:12] <Amaranth> hehe
[07:12] <Amaranth> xdg-open is the DE neutral way
[07:12] <Amaranth> Portland Project stuff
[07:12] <Amaranth> gnome is gnome-open
[07:12] <LaserJock> isn't there some sensible-browser or some such
[07:12] <Riddell> yes, xdg-utils
[07:12] <imbrandon> "kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing http://www.imbrandon.com" is the kde way to use the default iirc
[07:13] <Riddell> I expect xdg-utils will be in main soon
[07:13] <Hobbsee> *!*@n128-227-97-124.xlate.ufl.edu.
[07:13] <Hobbsee> same guy
[07:13] <Hobbsee> where's he hitting next?  and under what name?
[07:14] <Amaranth> imbrandon: yuck, in gnome it's just "gnome-open http://www.imbrandom.com" :P
[07:15] <imbrandon> well you COULD just use "kfmclient url"
[07:15] <imbrandon> but its not quite as nice
[07:15] <Amaranth> heh
[07:16] <Amaranth> without gconf tweaking gnome-open will always open a web browser then the web browser decides what to do with it
[07:16] <Amaranth> if you do the tweaks gnome-open will check the mime type and open the right app directly
[07:16] <imbrandon> lol, classic
[07:17] <LaserJock> in OS X there is a nice open command
[07:17] <Amaranth> the mime type checking stuff is slow
[07:17] <Amaranth> dude to the unstable nature of the internet and all
[07:17] <LaserJock> open ~/ will open up a Finder window with your home directory
[07:17] <LaserJock> etc.
[07:18] <Amaranth> LaserJock: that's gnome-open and kfmclient
[07:18] <LaserJock> yeah, but it works better :-)
[07:18] <Amaranth> i don't see how
[07:18] <LaserJock> like you just said, the mime checking is slow
[07:18] <Amaranth> for http, yes
[07:19] <Amaranth> because it needs to call HEAD or whatever and wait for a response
[07:19] <LaserJock> in OS X you can hit open XYZ and it will open it just as if you clicked it in Finder
[07:19] <Amaranth> or worse, download the file and check the mime magic stuff
[07:19] <Amaranth> "gnome-open ~/" isn't really slow
[07:19] <Amaranth> only remote things are slow, because they're remote
[07:20] <LaserJock> ah, yes
[07:20] <LaserJock> it does work similarly
[07:20] <LaserJock> very cool
[07:20] <LaserJock> I liked that in OS X
[07:20] <Amaranth> i don't think it can do "open bbedit" or whatever to launch an app
[07:20] <Amaranth> otherwise it's actually better than OS X's open :)
[07:22] <Hobbsee> i think it's time to change the real name of my client back to Hobbsee
[07:23] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, why is that ?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: because people realise that i'm female, and start asking questions.  bleh
[07:23] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: are you getting hit on?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: not quite.   just "you're a girl, why are you into PC's?"
[07:23] <imbrandon> ahh figured as much
[07:24] <Amaranth> people see "Sarah" and go all "greater internet fuckwad theory"
[07:24] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:24] <Hobbsee> unfortunately
[07:24] <imbrandon> Amaranth, hey now, watch the lang , shhhhh :)
[07:24] <Amaranth> imbrandon: it's the name of a real thing :)
[07:25] <imbrandon> i know, thus just kinda "slap" dont do that again, this channel is logged etc
[07:25] <imbrandon> :)
[07:25] <Amaranth> oh, logs
[07:25] <Amaranth> dang logs
[07:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:25] <Amaranth> ubuntulog: I hate you. :P
[07:25] <ajmitch> ZOMG there's a gurl here?!?
[07:25] <Amaranth> *drool*
[07:25] <imbrandon> ajmitch, on teh intarweb
[07:26] <ajmitch> can't be true
[07:27] <imbrandon> :)
[07:28] <Hobbsee> they'd go mad
[07:28] <Hobbsee> hey StevenK!
[07:28] <ajmitch> at the first mention of madness, he appears
[07:28] <imbrandon> heya StevenK
[07:29] <StevenK> Duh. I am the personification of it.
[07:31] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I'm sure andreas is watching the logs :-)
[07:31] <imbrandon> and greps for gurl|girl|female
[07:32] <imbrandon> :)
[07:33] <imbrandon> bbaib , food time
[07:33] <StevenK> imbrandon: You forgot 'grrl'
[07:33] <imbrandon> ahh right
[07:34] <LaserJock> nixternal just calls them "the distraction that keeps me from working on Ubuntu" but that's a much longer name ;-)
[07:38] <imbrandon> mmm microwave noodles
[07:40] <ajmitch> man, you have food
[07:41] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: hah
[07:41] <imbrandon> if thats what you call instant noodles
[07:41] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: of course you are :P
[07:41] <StevenK> Heh
[07:41] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:41] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:41] <ajmitch> this whole channel is a distraction
[07:41] <LaserJock> yeah, I can't get any work done with that big pointy stick of DOOM!!! (TM) above my head
[07:42] <LaserJock> ajmitch: +1
[07:42] <LaserJock> we should just rename the channel ubuntu-devel-offtopic
[07:43] <Hobbsee> hah
[07:43] <Hobbsee> maybe.  but we do occasoinally do relevant stuff in here
[07:43] <imbrandon> LaserJock, hahaha +1
[07:43] <LaserJock> occasionally
[07:43] <Hobbsee> exactly
[07:44] <StevenK> Maybe I should comment saying "My blood, sweat and tears are in that patch!"
[07:44] <imbrandon> we try to keep it to a dull roar and stop when there is something ontopic to talk about
[07:44] <ajmitch> see, ontopic stuff!
[07:44] <Riddell> StevenK: where is that?
[07:45] <StevenK> Riddell: bug 64841
[07:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64841 in wlassistant "wireless assisant does not connect in edgy" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64841
[07:47] <superm1> imbrandon, I eventually got a branch uploaded to bzr.  there were a few steps that appeared to be missing though from the wiki page you were describing.
[07:48] <imbrandon> superm1, kk, did you add/edit them ?
[07:48] <superm1> i had to add the product into launchpad (mythtv)
[07:48] <superm1> and then i had to make a local commit before it would accept the push
[07:49] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[07:49] <superm1> as long as what i did was the right thing to do, i'll add it to the wiki page
[07:49] <imbrandon> yea that sounds right
[07:50] <superm1> so now when linking the product and source package, how to buildds get kicked off?
[07:50] <imbrandon> no
[07:50] <imbrandon> not yet
[07:50] <superm1> still the normal way of making a debdiff and getting it uploaded and such
[07:50] <superm1> just debdiff from the bzr branch?
[07:51] <imbrandon> but if you commit you changes there and i do also ( along with the rest of the team )  i can just branch it and upload
[07:51] <Riddell> StevenK: ++      // This is actually a really bad idea - you have no way of knowing
[07:51] <Riddell> ++      // if you are first lease in the file or what.
[07:51] <Riddell> StevenK: the "bad idea" is the bit of code being commented out?  or the commenting out?
[07:52] <imbrandon> superm1, e.g when you commit to bzr , then when i'm ready to make changes i branch it and commit, then upload both commits to the archive
[07:52] <imbrandon> ( and you later when you make MOTU )
[07:52] <superm1> i see
[07:52] <superm1> make sense
[07:52] <superm1> okay well at this point then i have a few more thing i wanted to put in and then I guess i'll speak more with you about the exact changes then
[07:52] <superm1> and make sure everything is kosher and makes sense
[07:53] <imbrandon> sure, push what ever you like for now, i'll review it when your ready in a few days and we'll push it to the archive
[07:53] <superm1> i wanted to ask you though about bug handling
[07:53] <imbrandon> make sure its upto date with upstream also since we're not in uvf now
[07:53] <superm1> it is so far.
[07:53] <superm1> there have been a lot of crash reports coming in, and i'm not sure how to handle forwarding these upstream
[07:54] <superm1> if i should request people to install ddebs and then report again and such
[07:54] <imbrandon> just open a bug in their bts if there isnt one
[07:54] <imbrandon> and then link to the bug in lp with the upstream bug stuff
[07:54] <superm1> i'm just wondering though if the crash report will be enough without debugging symbols though
[07:55] <imbrandon> superm1, well you can only ask for so much if they dont provide it, if you can ask in the comments for them to do so , great, if not work with what we get, just like any other package :)
[07:55] <superm1> hehe
[07:55] <superm1> okay
[07:56] <imbrandon> the main thing ( to me ) is its reporduceable
[07:56] <imbrandon> by someone other than the bug reporter
[07:56] <superm1> yea, none of them have had second reports
[07:56] <superm1> unfortunately
[07:57] <superm1> i'll forward an email off to the mythtv dev mailing list tomorrow and see how they feel about it.  well glad we're making progress with getting this going.  i'm gonna let the mythplugins branch push, and get some shut eye.
[07:57] <imbrandon> kk sounds like a plan
[07:57] <superm1> thanks again, have a good evening
[07:57] <imbrandon> night
[07:59] <Riddell> StevenK: I need to sleep now but please poke me if I don't get this checked over by tomorrow
[08:04] <StevenK> Right.
[08:09] <imbrandon> grab-merge mol
[08:09] <imbrandon> gah
[08:27] <minghua> okay, I'm in feisty now
[08:30] <Burgundavia> minghua: and?
[08:32] <minghua> and things look good so far
[08:32] <minghua> altough I'm still feeling a bit uneasy in KDE
[08:32] <Burgundavia> right
[08:33] <minghua> but that has nothing to do with feisty
[08:33] <Burgundavia> the only thing that has kept me from jumping is my atheros card
[08:33] <imbrandon> i jumped on my powerpc laptop, i think i'll wait a bit more for the desktop, i need atleaste one semi working system
[08:34] <imbrandon> incase something major breaks
[08:34] <imbrandon> btw heya Burgundavia
[08:34] <minghua> for desktop it's always easy to get a large enough hard drive to install both, I think
[08:34] <Burgundavia> hey imbrandon
[08:36] <imbrandon> minghua, well the desktop buld machine i would do it on is also the build machine that others loginto, laserjock, Hobbsee, fujitsu, Seveas and a few others might now like it if i broke the build box :)
[08:36] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I'm sure they're not actually using it :)
[08:37] <imbrandon> ajmitch, well most of the time there is atleaste one other person logged in
[08:37] <imbrandon> heh
[08:37] <imbrandon> specialy twords the end of the month
[08:37] <imbrandon> lol
[08:39] <minghua> imbrandon: then it's a server, not a desktop anymore ;-)
[08:39] <imbrandon> well desktop build machine , true
[08:39] <minghua> konversation should have saner default settings, like differentiate enter/leave messages and real messages
[08:40] <imbrandon> minghua, i am the active "maintainer" of it ( if you can call it that ) work up some better defaults and i'll be happy to poke them in
[08:41] <minghua> imbrandon: sure, but this time it may be a false alarm
[08:41] <imbrandon> no worries, just email them to me if/when you ever do
[08:42] <minghua> (since when my other client leaves the highlight seems to be triggered)
[08:42] <imbrandon> the only default hilight is when your name is said
[08:42] <imbrandon> what ever your current nick is
[08:43] <minghua> apparently when I log in as minghua, the default setting triggers highlight with minghua-windows
[08:43] <minghua> which is not necessarily wrong, but still
[08:44] <imbrandon> right becosue minghua is part of minghua-windows , its not terribly smart
[08:44] <minghua> and I noticed that different IRC clients are extremely inconsistent on part-word match
[08:44] <minghua> I think minghuawindows won't trigger, as there is no hyphen, but I'm not sure
[08:46] <imbrandon> yea me either to be honest, you can turn off the current nick hilight and use a true regex if you want
[08:46] <imbrandon> thats normaly what i do, but its hard to make that a default
[08:46] <minghua> never makes regex the default
[08:47] <minghua> I think jwz is quite right on regex (and usually I don't agree with him)
[08:52] <imbrandon> ugh dident we switch from linux-headers-generic to libc6 something ?
[08:52] <ajmitch> no
[08:52] <imbrandon> hrm ok
[08:52] <ajmitch> we switched from linux-kernel-headers to linux-libc6-dev, iirc
[08:53] <ajmitch> linux-headers-generic pulls in the headers for building modules
[08:53] <imbrandon> right , ok thats what i need
[08:55] <Burgundavia> ok, anybody else noticing that file-roller is refusing to open .rpm, src.rpm and .deb anymore?
[09:45] <pygi> Burgundavia, feisty?
[09:45] <Burgundavia> and dapper both
[09:46] <sivang> morning all
[09:46] <Burgundavia> morning sivang
[09:46] <pygi> Burgundavia, weird, any recent update that could have 'caused that?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> nah, it is a bug in file-roller
[09:48] <sivang> Burgundavia: corey!
[10:13] <imbrandon> hrm programs shouldeb be compiling against linux/compiler.h anymore correct ?
[10:27] <TheMuso> imbrandon: afaik yes.
[10:27] <TheMuso> If it helps, I can't find it in /usr/include, and I have libc6-dev installed.
[10:29] <zakame> bad me I forgot to dch -e on electricsheep
[10:30] <Gloubiboulga> hello universe
[10:30] <imbrandon> heya Gloubiboulga
[10:30] <imbrandon> ok TheMuso
[10:31] <Gloubiboulga> hi imbrandon
[10:32] <zakame> yo Gloubiboulga
[10:33] <Hobbsee> zakame: yay, you're doing electricsheep :)
[10:33] <Hobbsee> zakame: what's -e do?
[10:35] <zakame> Hobbsee: `dch -e` just to update the Changed-By
[10:35] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[10:35] <Hobbsee> neat :)
[10:35] <zakame> did test for clean installation and removal though ;)
[10:38] <imbrandon> zakame, and list the remaning changes
[10:38] <imbrandon> :)
[10:39] <zakame> imbrandon: hmm right
[10:39] <zakame> got accepted now though, so Iunless unless I bump another upload with just a diff on changelog...
[10:40] <imbrandon> heh
[11:10] <crimsun> !info apt
[11:10] <ubotu> apt: Advanced front-end for dpkg. In component main, is important. Version 0.6.45ubuntu14 (edgy), package size 1398 kB, installed size 4324 kB
[11:10] <crimsun> !info apt feisty
[11:11] <crimsun> (same currently)
[11:11] <crimsun> gnomefreak: ^^
[11:11] <gnomefreak> yeah i messed up and did info apt on dapper :(
[11:12] <gnomefreak> his apt is crashing
[11:14] <imbrandon> time for a nap, gnight all
[11:14] <pygi> night imbrandon
[11:16] <ajmitch> night imbrandon
[11:42] <crimsun> 'morning sistpoty
[11:42] <sistpoty> hi crimsun
[11:43] <fernando> moin all
[11:43] <crimsun> 'lo
[11:52] <TheMuso> \sh_away: Have you started working on alsaplayer? If so, I'll let you take care of it.
[11:53] <crimsun> heh, I need to resurrect the gtk2 patches I have for it
[11:53] <TheMuso> crimsun: Wow. That must have been a lot of work.
[11:53] <crimsun> not really, surprisingly enough
[11:54] <crimsun> granted I believe Andy used Glade
[11:54] <TheMuso> Pitty that development seems to have stalled. I reckon its a great app for what it does.
[11:54] <crimsun> yeah, it's the first I used with jackd
[11:54] <TheMuso> It can also be controled from pd with an external. Thats neat too.
[11:55] <TheMuso> Saves one having to put a player external into pd, which saves a bit of CPU, as IMO pd is not the best at realtime performance.
[11:55] <TheMuso> And some externals make it fall over.
[12:14] <StevenK> Woot, alsaplayer.
[12:14] <StevenK> It's been *years* since I tried it.
[12:14] <StevenK> I don't think the version number has changed all that much. :-)
[12:18] <TheMuso> StevenK: No, as I think development has stalled.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> DBO: check out blast, if you havent already
[01:12] <Lutin> giskard: ping
[01:14] <xerxas> Hi there !
[01:17] <ryanakca> is there a guide/howto for "merging"?
[02:05] <DBO> Hobbsee, what the head is blast...
[02:06] <DBO> heck even...
[02:07] <MehdiHassanpour> hi
[02:08] <DBO> oh well this is friggin horrible, Hobbsee remind me to maim you...
[02:09] <MehdiHassanpour> will any MOTU here package a sictionary for Ubuntu Universe for us ?
[02:10] <MehdiHassanpour> this is the link to it's latest Debian package
[02:10] <MehdiHassanpour> http://www.parsix.org/packages/pool/main/x/xfardic/
[02:31] <giskard> Lure, pong
[02:31] <giskard> Lutin, ^
[03:05] <sivang> MehdiHassanpour: if there are no specific ubuntu changes need be done, I think it can be safely synced from debian
[03:06] <sivang> MehdiHassanpour: come again and check in a week or two, the auto syncs might pull it in, if it does not exist in ubuntu we might have to ask archive admins to import it
[03:16] <luisbg> hello all
[03:33] <MehdiHassanpour> sivang: we need "aspell-fa" package to be imported from Debian Unstable too
[03:42] <sivang> MehdiHassanpour: that is cool, if you can find it in ubuntu but its in sid, come back in a week approx, if it still hasn't been imported, then you can ask me or any other MOTU to file an "import" request for archive admins
[03:42] <sivang> MehdiHassanpour: make sure you search for them both in universe and in main
[03:45] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:47] <jsgotangco> Hey cant tab complete, laptop is dead chatting via phone
[03:48] <MehdiHassanpour> sivang:I've searched for "aspell-fa" in http://packages.ubuntu.com
[03:48] <Lathiat> nifty :)
[03:50] <sivang> Lathiat: where is that button? :)
[03:51] <Lathiat> in feisty :)
[03:51] <Lathiat> technically it says "Enable Desktop Effects" but i took some liberty in the translation
[03:52] <jsgotangco> Hahaha en_AU
[03:55] <MehdiHassanpour> we need 2 packages in ubuntu
[03:55] <MehdiHassanpour> 1. aspell-fa (that is in sid, but not yet in ubuntu)
[03:56] <MehdiHassanpour> 2. xFarDic (not in sid & ubuntu) but we have the debian packages here: http://www.parsix.org/packages/pool/main/x/xfardic/
[03:57] <sivang> Lathiat: yo installed matthew's packages?
[03:57] <sivang> *you
[03:57] <sivang> since I Upgraded my hardware acceleration broke dead
[03:58] <sivang> Lathiat: any idea?
[04:01] <sivang> MehdiHassanpour: okay so for (2) I think it's better if it's uploaded to sid first and then autosynced/synced to ubuntu
[04:01] <sivang> MehdiHassanpour: (1) then might be requiring explicit request once we see it's not in by next week
[04:01] <sivang> anyway I have to run, see you all laters
[04:02] <MehdiHassanpour> sivang: can't you upload (2) to REVU ?
[04:03] <sivang> MehdiHassanpour: I can even upload it to universe, but for sake of less duplication and being more sync with upstream (debian in this regard) we would be better off uploading it there to save us work when it does hit debian eventually.
[04:04] <sivang> MehdiHassanpour: you could even ask either of the uploaders that are signed on the package to do it for you,
[04:04] <MehdiHassanpour> I don't think it will be uploaded to debian soon
[04:04] <sivang> MehdiHassanpour: I even know one of them :)
[04:04] <sivang> MehdiHassanpour: ah, why not?
[04:05] <sivang> MehdiHassanpour: I know at least one of them has debian upload powers
[04:05] <MehdiHassanpour> who ?
[04:07] <sivang> MehdiHassanpour: kaplan@debian.org
[04:07] <MehdiHassanpour> yep, he has
[04:07] <Q-FUNK> that's Lior, right?
[04:07] <sivang> Q-FUNK: indeed
[04:07] <Q-FUNK> he's cool
[04:07] <sivang> Q-FUNK: you know him as well? :)
[04:07] <Q-FUNK> just mail him and ask
[04:08] <Q-FUNK> yup.  we met at debconf5.  he's a funny guy.
[04:08] <MehdiHassanpour> this package is reviewed by 2 DD
[04:08] <sivang> he's nice and kind
[04:08] <sivang> indeed
[04:09] <MehdiHassanpour> but I don't think it will be uploaded to debian soon
[04:10] <sivang> Q-FUNK: were you in UDS btw?
[04:11] <Q-FUNK> nope
[04:11] <Lathiat> sivang: from fiesty, yeh
[04:11] <Lathiat> sivang: on nvidia
[04:11] <Q-FUNK> the land of the non-free is off-limits for me
[04:12] <sivang> Lathiat: ah I see, sucks to be using ati then ;P
[04:12] <sivang> Q-FUNK: =)
[04:13] <sivang> Q-FUNK: how do you sustain yourself then? do you also have a day job apart from you FLOSS contributions?
[04:13] <Q-FUNK> I co-founded a startup that is not yet breaking even.
[04:13] <Q-FUNK> www.linutop.com
[04:14] <zul> what is it running?
[04:15] <sivang> dude!
[04:17] <Q-FUNK> an small embeded linux distro
[04:22] <zul> cool
[04:30] <Lutin> giskard: still around ?
[04:31] <tepsipakki> Q-FUNK: where could I get one?-)
[04:32] <Q-FUNK> send an e-mail to info@linutop.com
[04:32] <Q-FUNK> our first 50 units are only for developers
[04:32] <tepsipakki> ah, ok
[04:33] <tepsipakki> it works as a ltsp-capable terminal as well?
[04:34] <zul> Q-FUNK: what do you guys need?
[04:34] <Q-FUNK> yup
[04:35] <Q-FUNK> we're just completing the base platform now with an embeded linux developer.  once we have that, we can sell pre-production units to developers interested in porting apps to it.
[04:36] <Q-FUNK> -> #linutop
[04:36] <Q-FUNK> (just to avoid veering off-topic too much here)
[05:00] <asabil> hi all
[05:01] <asabil> I did a request some time ago about the gtkglext python binding package
[05:01] <asabil> still no answer ?
[05:12] <giskard> Lutin, yes
[05:15] <Lutin> giskard: hello, how are you ?
[05:16] <giskard> fine :) thanks!
[05:16] <giskard> you?
[05:17] <Lutin> fine, thanks
[05:17] <Lutin> I saw you are maintaining a debian tree for telepathy-sharp
[05:18] <Lutin> do you plan to upload the package on revu soon ?
[05:24] <giskard> Lutin, i can upload it directly in universe
[05:25] <giskard> but...not now, if you need it, i can do an upload tonight! :(
[05:30] <zakame> hi all
[05:33] <jdong> hi
[05:34] <zakame> hi jdong
[05:34] <jdong> https://launchpad.net/products/barnacle
[05:34] <jdong> I think it's worded quite innocently... :)
[05:44] <Lutin> giskard: I don't it _now_, but it'd be fine if you could commit it in a few days or weeks
[05:45] <giskard> i'm merging network-manager
[05:45] <giskard> after it i will do t-sharp :)
[05:45] <giskard> anyway, why you need it?
[05:46] <Lutin> giskard: planning to pacakge tapioca-sharp and then landell (voip and im client based on the telepathy framework)
[05:46] <Lutin> which build-depends on t-sharp
[05:47] <giskard> uh YEAH!
[05:48] <Lutin> giskard: no need to hurry up. I was just wondering if t-sharp would be in universe before feisty ;)
[05:49] <giskard> give me 3 hours
[05:49] <giskard> (i have to finish my chemistry exercise ;) )
[05:49] <Lutin> giskard: I give you much more
[05:49] <Lutin> no need to hurry as I said
[05:49] <giskard> nah, i wanted it in edgy.
[05:50] <Lutin> oh
[05:50] <giskard> but i'm lazy ;)
[05:50] <Lutin> understand
[05:50] <Lutin> B-)
[05:50] <Lutin> maybe more busy than lazy
[06:57] <Sp4rKy> hi !
[07:52] <fernando> I can to request a unused launchpad account? the user don't have a mail in launchpad for contact
[07:53] <zul> check with #launchpad
[07:53] <fernando> ops, launchpad user maillist, thanks
[08:14] <Sp4rKy> please
[08:14] <Sp4rKy> i think there is a possible serious issue security in edgy
[08:14] <Sp4rKy> how should i contact ?
[08:16] <geser> motu-sru and/or the security team would be a try
[08:17] <Sp4rKy> nobody on irc ?
[08:21] <geser> you can try to reach a member of those teams
[08:23] <Sp4rKy> geser: done, thx :)
[08:23] <luisbg> Sp4rKy, which security problem?
[08:27] <LaserJock> pitti is the security guru
[08:28] <enyc> pitti = martin.pitt@ubuntu.com
[08:29] <enyc> 'head' of ubuntu security team
[08:29] <enyc> "(Owner)" rather
[08:29] <enyc> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-security
[08:32] <chantra> enyc: cuu1=\E[A,
[08:32] <chantra> sorry, wron channel :s
[08:38] <chantra> hi, i'm having a weird trouble, I've just build gaim beta5 and it works fine on edgy, but not on feisty
[08:38] <chantra> some keys are not recognized :s
[08:39] <plugwash> does beta3.1 work on feisty?
[08:43] <chantra> beta3.1 does not have gaim-text
[08:43] <chantra> ASAIK
[08:43] <chantra> s/S/F/
[08:43] <chantra> it seems that this is due to the term info
[08:43] <chantra> it actually does not work on either feisty or edgy if using gnome terminal
[08:44] <chantra> but it does work when launching gaim-text through screen
[08:44] <plugwash> afaict gaim-text is pretty experimental at the moment, bugs are to be expected
[08:47] <chantra> plugwash: :)
[09:00] <chantra> plugwash: gonna try a trick that was used against screen and rxvt-unicode terms
[09:00] <chantra> and see if it works :)
[09:11] <Riddell> StevenK: can you join us in #kubuntu-devel
[09:23] <zul> bleah
[09:24] <Adri2000> everybody, what do you think about the best section for homebank (http://homebank.free.fr/) ? gnome? misc? x11?
[09:27] <Q-FUNK> gnome, I'd say
[09:45] <giskard> i need beta-testers for the new N-M
[09:45] <giskard> hi slomo
[09:45] <Burgwork> blog about it
[09:46] <LaserJock> heh, and here I thought I was already a beta tester ;-)
[09:46] <giskard> LaserJock, 0.6.4-5...?
[09:46] <LaserJock> just trying it at all :-)
[09:49] <LaserJock> !info electricsheep
[09:49] <ubotu> electricsheep: screensaver showing collective dream of sleeping computers. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.8-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2668 kB, installed size 3444 kB
[09:50] <LaserJock> who merged electricsheep?
[09:50] <zul> hmm...havent checked the changelog?
[09:51] <LaserJock> that's my point
[09:51] <slomo> LaserJock: at least zakame uploaded it
[09:51] <LaserJock> "Changed-By: Ubuntu Merge-o-Matic <mom@ubuntu.com>"
[09:51] <ajmitch> oh dear
[09:52] <LaserJock> zakame: dude ,change the MoM changelog entry to your own next time ;-)
[09:52] <ajmitch> who signed it?
[09:52] <slomo> and people are not using the changelog format for merges that was decided...
[09:55] <LaserJock> darn it, I hate having RL work to do
[09:56] <LaserJock> seems like lots of problems are coming down to either we have no documentation or people aren't getting to the documentation
[09:58] <ajmitch> LaserJock: we sometimes have too much documentation
[09:58] <ajmitch> and people drown in it
[09:58] <LaserJock> right
[09:58] <ajmitch> not enough quality
[09:58] <LaserJock> right
[09:58] <LaserJock> that's why I was going to try to weed out/condense our wiki
[09:58] <zul> we need a tech writer ;)
[09:58] <LaserJock> a tech writer with time ;-)
[10:01] <zul> ummm...have you actually seen me write something :P
[10:02] <LaserJock> hmm, good point
[10:05] <luisbg> LaserJock, I think it is too much information and badly linked, getting to all places of the wiki through links is hell
[10:05] <LaserJock> mhm
[10:13] <zul> later
[10:16] <TheMuso> Hey all.
[10:21] <LaserJock> hi TheMuso
[10:28] <ajmitch> hey TheMuso
[10:28] <TheMuso> Hey ajmitch.
[10:28] <TheMuso> Recovered yet?
[10:31] <ajmitch> of course
[10:34] <lupine_85> it's so /slow/ in qemu :(
[10:35] <pygi> lupine_85, everything is slow in qemu
[10:39] <lupine_85> yeah I know
[10:42] <lupine_85> ...I'm going to be running an edgy chroot in a dapper qemu instance on an edgy system...
[10:43] <pygi> whatever :P
[10:43] <giskard> hi pygi
[10:44] <pygi> hey ho giskard
[10:44] <pygi> how are you?
[10:52] <pygi> giskard, you alive? :P
[11:17] <jderose> I just uploaded a package to REVU, which seemed to work (as in I'm on the keyring), but the recover password message decrypted to the text "None" only (which, not surprisingly, I can't login with).  Any ideas?
[11:19] <jderose> My status on https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+members is "Approved", by the way.
[11:20] <crimsun> looks like you need a manual reset.
[11:21] <crimsun> (that "feature" triggers often)
[11:21] <jderose> Is that something an admin has to do, or can I do it?
[11:21] <crimsun> former
[11:22] <jderose> Okay, thanks.  Is this the place to request said favor?  ;)
[11:23] <crimsun> yes, when an admin wanders by, it'll be done
[11:23] <jderose> crimsun: Thank you very much!
[11:23] <crimsun> np
[11:28] <joejaxx> is there anyway for me to be able to apt-get a list of packages
[11:28] <joejaxx> but have it download the debs to a folder?
[11:28] <joejaxx> i know there is the -d application flag for apt-get
[11:29] <crimsun> what is your question really asking, then?
[11:30] <Q-FUNK> I'm wondering the same thing.
[11:30] <Q-FUNK> snerror
[11:30] <joejaxx> i need them to download to a specific folder
[11:30] <joejaxx> nevermind i think i found it
[11:30] <joejaxx> -o dir::cache=~/tmp/
[11:31] <joejaxx> hmm maybe not
[11:35] <sladen> jderose: REVU can't cope with more than one UID on a key
[11:36] <jderose> sladen... so my rsa/rsa key wont work?
[11:37] <sladen> jderose: once it's done manually, it'll be fine.  But the automatic script chokes
[11:37] <jderose> i think i only have one uid: pub   2048R/4B478297 2004-05-16
[11:37] <jderose> uid                  Jason Gerard DeRose <jderose@jasonderose.org>
[11:37] <jderose> sub   2048R/B7B57F9B 2004-05-16
[11:37] <joejaxx> crimsun: i will just debootstrap dapper and apt-get the packages i want in there and pull them out of cache
[11:38] <joejaxx> hello dholbach
[11:38] <dholbach> hi joejaxx
[11:38] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[11:38] <jderose> sladen: okay.  but as far as i can tell,  i only have one uid on my key.
[11:38] <giskard> hi ajmitch :)
[11:39] <ajmitch> hello giskard
[11:42] <jderose> crimsun, sladen: oops, i think part of the problem is that the first time i accidentally uploaded to ubuntu, not revu... but it seemed to work.  this shouldn't have worked, right?  would the failure be silent?
[11:43] <crimsun> uploading to ubuntu with a non-recognised key is a silent failure (from your perspective), yes
[11:44] <jderose> okay.
[11:46] <sladen> jderose: silent on success, noisey on failure
[11:46] <jderose> okay, got my password now.  sorry for the trouble.
[11:51] <jderose> quick question: i am the upstream developer of the package i'm working on.  should the package version be treated as an ubuntu native package, or should i still suffix the version with -0ubuntu1?
[11:54] <LaserJock> jderose: don't make it an ubuntu native package unless the source is only to be used in Ubuntu
[11:55] <jderose> okay, thanks
[11:56] <ajmitch> oh dear, someone soliciting donations on the -devel list
[12:02] <Burgwork> ajmitch: indeed, that -devel-discuss sounds good right now
[12:02] <Burgwork> the only thing that concerns me is non-MOTUs like myself being excluded, but I can live with that
[12:02] <pygi> Burgwork, right :-/
[12:04] <Burgwork> I think that people should be able to go to the technical board and ask for posting permission to the new list
[12:04] <pygi> Burgwork, agreed, but don't think that will happen
[12:07] <Burgwork> I think it will
[12:12] <pygi> Burgwork, only time will tell then ^_^