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nixternalimbrandon: is there a kubuntu list of packages for feisty yet, or just pick some and rock and roll?01:55
nixternalim going to setup a fesity pbuilder after dinner, and mess around because im whacked out of my mind01:55
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Riddellnixternal: wait until I upload qt/arts/kdelibs/kdebase before uploading anything02:00
nixternalroger that02:00
RiddellI'm not sure if merge o matic is running yet?02:00
nixternalit looks like it is02:00
nixternali seen a bunch of ubuntu installer ones here just a little while ago02:00
Riddellhttp://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html02:01
Riddellsearch for your own name on those pages for starters02:01
nixternalrockin02:01
nixternalok, im not that cool...not on the list ;)02:02
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imbrandonnixternal, if you want something to do you can work on my kvirc merge ( universe page )02:18
imbrandoni have a few others keeping me busy atm02:18
Hobbseeheh02:18
Hobbseegood luck with that02:18
=== Hobbsee looked at kvirc last cycle. icky thing
imbrandonheh it should actualy be pretty streight forward02:18
imbrandonbut takes forever to compile and test02:18
imbrandonlol02:18
imbrandonRiddell, 3.5.6 ? or just updates 02:19
Jucatomoin Hobbsee, imbrandon!02:21
imbrandonheya02:21
Riddellimbrandon: given tat 3.5.6 hasn't even been scheduled yet...02:23
imbrandonahh very true, i just wasent sure "how long" you were talking about a wait02:24
imbrandon:)02:24
Hobbseehey Jucato 02:24
=== Hobbsee declares all maths as EVIL!!!!!!!
=== Hobbsee attacks her upcoming maths exam with her Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (tm)
Hobbseeand i read my timetable wrong - the last two exams are two days earlier than i thought.  ouch02:25
imbrandonouch02:28
Jucatodouble ouch (2 days)02:28
imbrandonas long as 2 days isnt 2 day ago your golden :)02:28
Riddellimbrandon: last today02:29
imbrandonRiddell, cool02:29
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Hobbseeimbrandon: yeah, well...ouch02:38
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imbrandonTonio_, ping03:04
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nixternalimbrandon: were you serious about kvirc, or were you muckin' with me?05:24
nixternalkvirc is some serious stuff, to bad it is fooogly05:24
imbrandonnixternal, no i was serouis if you want to do it05:25
nixternalk, no hurry?  as like i can play a little tomorrow?05:25
imbrandonsure05:25
imbrandonyea no rush05:25
nixternalim contemplating pillow suicide05:25
imbrandonlol05:25
nixternalim beat to death05:25
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=== Mez pokes Hobbsee and runs away
=== Hobbsee attacks Mez with her Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (tm)
Jucatoshouldn't the (tm) be immediately after DOOM? :P08:23
Hobbseecould be08:23
Hobbseebut the !!!'s are part of the trademark08:23
Jucatolol08:24
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Hobbseehah08:26
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Hobbseehey Lure 08:27
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Lurehi Hobbsee08:28
Jucatoouch...08:28
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HobbseeMez: ouch. that was silly08:29
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=== Hobbsee drops large amounts of tomato sauce on Mez
Mez:P08:29
Jucatolol08:29
=== Mez collects it and starts making pizz
Meza08:30
Jucatothe 'a' fell off...08:31
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HobbseeMez: bring it here, when it's cooked.  and dont stick poison in it!08:31
=== Hobbsee mmm....pizza
HobbseeMez: ever had pizza with mayonaise on it?08:32
Hobbseeor yoghurt?08:32
Jucatoeww...08:32
MezHobbsee, I've had pizza with pretty much anything on it08:32
Hobbseeheh08:32
MezI make my own pizzas08:32
Jucatopizza with strawberries?08:32
Hobbseeoh yes, yoghurt was the one that i had once.  it was certainly....interesting08:32
Jucatochocolate pizza?08:32
HobbseeMez: same here.  tasty  :)08:32
HobbseeJucato: ooh!!!!  dont be evil like that!08:32
Jucatolol08:33
HobbseeJucato: good thing that seele doesnt seem to be watching08:33
Jucatoshe's probably asleep. as most of the US citizens are08:34
Hobbseemm...true that.  depends where they are though08:35
=== Jucato is really getting tired of the forums...
MezJucato, lol... why?08:37
=== Mez is getting really tired of people doing things like http://www.getdeb.net/
Jucato"Ubuntu... purposely crippling KDE?" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=299933&goto=newpost08:37
MezI mean - BACKPORTS08:37
Jucatoheheh08:37
Jucatosheesh, they even copied the official web page style?08:38
Hobbseehe's usually got more sense, too08:38
Jucatoyeah, he was one of the proponents of the "Forum Ambassadors" thing08:39
Jucatos/was/is08:39
Jucatowhich makes it even more frustrating/annoying to see this from him08:39
Hobbseeindeed08:40
=== Hobbsee wonders if anything will actually come of that
Hobbseethat being said, a lot of system settings still sucks, and needs work08:40
Jucatoyeah... which is why I made a modified system-settings.menu for myself :P08:41
Hobbsee(like, stick all the extra modules in advanced, if you dont want to put them in general.  but dont hide them so i can never fidn them!)08:41
=== Hobbsee wonders if that was discussed in teh sane kubuntu defaults spec
Jucatobtw, the description for kde-guidance should probably be changed to mention the wineconfig module08:41
MezJucato, and why I modded katapult to run "kcontrol" even if it isnt in the menu (private branch)08:41
Jucatohaha :)08:42
HobbseeMez: do it by default?  please?08:42
HobbseeJucato: wineconfig module?08:42
Jucatoer... defeats the whole purpose of System Settings, right? :P08:42
JucatoHobbsee: yes. KDE frontend to winecfg. it's included in kde-guidance08:42
HobbseeJucato: but wine isnt installed by default08:42
MezJucato, what defeats the whole purpose of SS ?08:42
JucatoKControl ->  System Administration08:43
HobbseeMez: to let kcontrol be accessed08:43
JucatoMez: having KControl accessible directly by default08:43
Hobbseesystem settings does have it's good points, but it still needs work08:43
MezJucato,  but surely if you type "kcontrol" into katapult, it's no worse than typing "kcontrol" into "Run Program08:43
JucatoHobbsee: yes. but even if it wine is installed, it's not added to System Settings anyway. but still, wineconfig is in kde-guidance, whether or not wine is installed08:43
JucatoMez: true. probably in Katapult only, not in K Menu... although that would be strange.hehehe08:44
HobbseeJucato: where's wineconfig in kde-guidance?  ohhh, right08:44
Hobbseei get you08:44
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Hobbsee:P08:44
MezJucato, yes, but thats what I've done (added a manual entry to the program catalog from within katapult)_08:45
Jucato:)08:45
JucatoMez: will Katapult be able to recursively search within /home directories in the future?08:45
MezJucato, it... osrt of ... can08:46
Mezyou can at least go down direcrtories08:46
Mezso if you wanna access ~/cheese/stilton/old08:47
Mezthen you type cheese / stilton / old08:47
Mezand it works08:47
Jucatoaah08:47
Jucatoit's a lot of work,though08:47
MezJucato, feel free to write a kio_locate plugin ;)08:48
Mezhmm08:48
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Jucatonixternal also has a workaround for adding apps to Katapult without adding them to the kmenu. put symlinks to the apps in /home O_o08:48
Mezlol @ that08:49
JucatoMez: so the Document plugin for Katapult relies on kio_locate?08:51
MezJucato, lol .. no08:51
Mezgo look at the code08:51
Jucatoah ok. :)08:51
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Jucatoer.. gtg... I'll put that on my personal todo. hehehe08:53
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HobbseeStevenK: you're coming over to the light.  welcome :P09:05
StevenKHah. You wish. :-P09:05
Hobbseeheh09:06
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StevenKHobbsee: Meh, what do I care, it's just hard drive space?09:07
Hobbseepoint09:08
Mezanyone know how to compile a KDE app with debug symbols?09:09
Riddell--enable-debug=full09:09
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StevenKRiddell: You wanted to see me here? :-)09:09
Jucatomoin Riddell09:10
MezRiddell, last time I tried that it gave me soo boohickey when I ran it through gdb saying something like "you passed this argument - were not going ot output debubg info bacause of this"09:10
Hobbseehey Riddell 09:10
HobbseeStevenK: yes, you're to fix the rest of kde now.  thanks!09:11
Jucatoheheh :)09:11
MezStevenK, - you might need this - http://bugs.kde.org/09:11
Riddellhi StevenK!09:12
StevenKHobbsee: Hah09:12
HobbseeStevenK: you know you want to.09:12
RiddellStevenK: it was just about your patch to wlassistant, but I worked out my question so I've passed it for review to ubuntu-sru09:12
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StevenKOut of interest, what was the question?09:13
RiddellI wondered if dhclient was translated, which would mean the if statement wouldn't match on the stderr message09:14
Riddellbut it's not09:14
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StevenKOh geez, I never even thought of that.09:14
Riddellwell, you didn't have to :)09:15
Riddellwin 1109:16
Riddellhmm, time to sleep09:17
HobbseeRiddell: you've thrown another all nighter?09:17
RiddellI went out to the cinema, and now it's midnight so time for bed09:18
imbrandonheh gnight Riddell09:18
imbrandontime for bed for me also09:18
Hobbseeahhhh09:19
Mezo_O09:19
Mezyou learn something new every day09:20
Hobbseeoh yeah, you're not back in london yet09:20
Mezkatapult doesnt exit on exit09:20
Mezit crashes on exit09:20
Hobbseeoh yeah - when everyone's bored sometime, check out the package "blast"09:20
Hobbsee:P09:20
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StevenKVery theraputic.09:21
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MezProgram received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.09:22
Mez[Switching to Thread -1239757920 (LWP 29351)] 09:22
Mez0xb7262df4 in QMutex::lock () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.309:22
MezARGH!09:22
StevenKNeat. Isn't that stack corruption?09:23
MezStevenK, wouldnt know :D09:23
imbrandonStevenK, looks to be09:23
Mezlol -its a bug somewhere in the multithreading09:23
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Tonio_what the f*** !!!!!!!!09:24
Tonio_http://tonio.homelinux.org/index.php?2006/10/10/7-kubuntu-voip-solution#co09:24
Tonio_even on blog comments they are spamming now !09:24
MezTonio_, is that wordpress?09:25
Tonio_Mez: nope, I use dotclear (very popular french blog php script)09:26
MezTonio_, I believe akismet works with it09:27
Mezhttp://akismet.com09:27
Tonio_Mez: I'll have a look interesting09:27
Tonio_is that a "website antispam solution" ?09:27
imbrandonyes09:27
imbrandoni use it09:27
imbrandonworks pretty well09:27
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Tonio_imbrandon: thanks :)09:28
Tonio_Mez: you're right, it is also dotclear compatible, great ;)09:28
MezTonio_, works uber well09:28
MezI've had about 5 comments it hasnt caughht09:28
Mezin qa year09:28
Tonio_interesting indeed09:29
Tonio_I am used to do my own scripts except on my blog so I never got that kind of issues, but of course with public scripts, that can happen09:29
Mezhmmm09:32
MezThe program catalog is making katapult crash09:32
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Jucatowb Hobbsee11:07
Hobbseehey Jucato 11:09
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Jucatogreat, another one of those sites... http://ubuntu.lnix.net/11:42
HobbseeJucato: what's that for?11:49
JucatoHobbsee: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/ <--- fixes a bug in Kopete (supposedly)11:51
Jucatokde bug 13656611:51
HobbseeJucato: that guy's on our channel11:51
UbugtuKDE bug 136566 in general "Connecting to ICQ doesn't work anymore" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13656611:51
Jucatoooh? who?11:51
Hobbseefdoving: i think11:51
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JucatoHobbsee: ok. I'll investigate...11:52
Hobbseethat upgrader script doesnt look too bad11:52
Hobbseeapt-get -y dist-upgrade is kinda scary, but it needs to be there11:53
Hobbseei'm surprised they dont force k-d at the end, too11:53
Hobbseeor maybe they do11:53
Jucatohm... just curious. is there a sort of plan to release some upgrades for kde soon? some (maybe a lot) of bugs have been fixed recently. (like the korgac bug)11:54
Hobbseei think they were talking about a kde 3.5.6?11:54
JucatoI think Riddell mentioned 3.5.6 hasn't even been planned yet?11:55
Hobbseetrue11:55
Jucatonah nvm. just wondering a lot about the -update process and bug fixing process..11:56
Jucatoah yeah, it's fdoving's site alright...11:56
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HobbseeJucato: i think part of the reasons that updates arent going thru too quickly is the whole SRU thing - stuff getting mroe tested first, and tehy're still figuring out what's happening11:59
Jucatomroe tested?12:00
Hobbseemore tested, yes12:03
Jucatoah...12:03
JucatoI wonder if ICQ not working at all, or focus follows/under mouse not working properly, or the korgac system tray icon not working is worthy of SRU...12:05
Jucatooh well... maybe I'll bother with these things some other time in the future. thanks for pointing me in the right direction (SRU stuff)12:06
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bddebianHowdy03:40
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mhbfdoving: have your kopete fixes been distributed as updates?04:15
jdongare there still free smoothies in the googleplex? :D04:42
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DaSkreechhell05:39
jpatrickDaSkreech: no, wrong place05:40
DaSkreechO05:40
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Riddellbah, evil kdelibs not compling05:54
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DaSkreechtry the good ones?05:59
DaSkreechOf  course all the good ones are taken :-(06:00
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Tonio_Riddell: I widelly tested codeine today and it still have some issues to be used by default...06:08
DaSkreechrestwix: Hello06:08
restwixDaSkreech: what up?06:10
DaSkreechFound your way :)06:10
DaSkreechHow's the page helping out?06:10
restwixYep06:10
restwixwell right now I'm looking some stuff in the website06:10
restwixtrying to get my arround on what is going on and so06:11
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DaSkreechWell the best place is to figure out what skills you can offer06:11
bddebianWhat if I don't have any? :-)06:12
DaSkreechThen just deride other Oses 06:12
bddebianhehe06:12
restwixI wan't to see if I can find something that I can help, and then I will see if I'm able to help or not.06:13
DaSkreechrestwix: That's another good way. Find something you are insterested in then offer up time06:14
restwixDaSkreech: That's true...06:14
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MidMarkwhere can I find Martin Pitt? Is it in irc usually?06:17
DaSkreechGoogle?06:19
bddebianMidMark: pitti06:19
Tonio_imbrandon: I'm ordering right now06:20
MidMarkthx he's online!06:20
DaSkreechrestwix: When You get an idea of what you want just holler in here06:21
MidMarkanyone is having problem with mounting dvd? I have asked a lot of time but none has answered me...06:21
MidMarkif I mount dvd with one session closed and disc still open I cannot read it06:21
DaSkreechEdgy?06:22
MidMarkDaSkreech: yes06:22
MidMarkknown?06:23
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DaSkreechHI mez06:34
Tonio_imbrandon: ping ?06:38
imbrandonTonio_, pong06:39
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imbrandonRiddell, ping07:02
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Mezfdoving ping07:34
Mezfdoving unping07:35
Riddellhi imbrandon 07:35
imbrandonheya Riddell, are all the kdebaseish stuff updated? i have a few kde type apps to upload07:36
imbrandonbut you said wait a bit07:36
imbrandon:)07:36
Riddellno, kdelibs failed, still working out why07:37
imbrandonok no worries07:37
imbrandoni still have to wait for keybuk or someone to manualy promote libmtp07:37
imbrandoncan you poke him IRL if you see him, i left a ping for him in -devel07:37
MezRiddell, have you any idea about what the hold up on approving katapult for an SRU is ?07:38
RiddellMez: we're all busy doing this conference thing07:40
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Tonio_Riddell: did you resolv the libqt thing ? I can try to work on that toonight if you want07:45
Tonio_Riddell: concerning the kdelibs packages did you use the ones I already uploaded to feisty (including the media simplification patches)07:47
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NiteFearshey07:53
Tm_THi.07:54
NiteFearskopete's icq is broken for more than 2 weeks already. they have a patch, but it didn't make it into ubuntu repositories. what's up with that?07:54
imbrandonNiteFears, first of all which kubuntu version ? and it takes a process to go through the SRU updates07:55
NiteFearsimbrandon: I'm using ubuntu edgy, actually, so running kopete from gnome07:56
DaSkreech:-)07:56
DaSkreech64bit?07:56
NiteFearsimbrandon: the kopete guys did release a .deb, but not for x64 architecture07:56
Tm_TDaSkreech: Hrr.07:56
NiteFearsDaSkreech :P07:56
DaSkreechHeehee07:56
imbrandonok, it should be in SRU shortly07:56
imbrandonshortly != today07:57
imbrandonNiteFears, and we cant rely on thier debs as we're not certain how they are made or what they are compiled against07:57
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imbrandon:)07:58
NiteFearsimbrandon: that's your business, I just explained, why the existing solutions don't work for me07:58
DaSkreechimbrandon: Would the debs at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/ be sufficent?07:58
imbrandonDaSkreech, depends, most likely not unless its exactly the version thats currently in edgy with only that icq patch07:59
imbrandonwitch is unlikely07:59
imbrandonSRU updates are minimal07:59
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imbrandonNiteFears, afaik there is an update in -proposed also08:04
imbrandoni think i uploaded it last week08:04
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DaSkreechimbrandon: 64Bit as well I assume?08:05
NiteFearsimbrandon: sorry, no idea what you are talking about08:05
imbrandonDaSkreech, it would have been built for all arches08:05
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imbrandonNiteFears, edgy-proposed are where SRU updates are tested before they are released to a stable release08:05
imbrandonas it requires much more testing08:06
NiteFearsimbrandon: does it mean there's a build package over there and I can download it?08:06
NiteFearss/build/built08:06
DaSkreechYes08:07
imbrandonshould be , let me check to make sure it actualy made it to -proposed08:07
NiteFearsplease do, the direct link would be great08:07
imbrandonwhats the version you have installed ?08:08
imbrandon"dpkg -l|grep ii|grep kopete"08:08
NiteFearsimbrandon: 0.12.308:08
NiteFearsii  kopete                                       3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1    instant messenger for KDE08:08
imbrandonk one sec08:08
imbrandonnope its not built yet08:09
imbrandoni'll try to get to that later this afternoon for you08:09
NiteFearsthanks a lot08:09
Tm_Timbrandon: Yay!08:09
NiteFearsimbrandon: would you give me a link where the packages will magically appear?08:10
NiteFearsso that I can check for them today or tomorrow08:10
imbrandonif you have edgy-proposed in your sources.list OR http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kopete/08:10
imbrandoncheck tomarrow, it will take a while on the buildd's etc08:10
NiteFearsimbrandon: thanks a lot!08:11
imbrandonif you manualy get the deb be carefull, as you can mess it up getting the wrong deb08:11
imbrandonfrom the pool08:11
imbrandonvery very very easy08:11
DaSkreechI think you missed a very08:12
NiteFearsimbrandon: how will the package be called?08:13
NiteFearsnevermind, I'll look at the date08:13
imbrandon3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1.1 most likely08:13
NiteFearsok08:14
imbrandondepends on hows its done it /could/ be 3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2~edgy1 also08:14
imbrandonso look for either of those08:15
NiteFearsimbrandon: I will. again, thanks for your time08:18
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RiddellTonio_: which libqt thing?08:24
RiddellTonio_: yes I used the existing feisty pacakges08:25
Tonio_Riddell: okay08:25
Tonio_Riddell: the libqt build problem08:25
Tonio_Riddell: I don't remember the exact package name08:26
Riddellone of the python-qt's had a build problem08:26
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Riddellkwwii: this is currently on the front page of slashdot http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/14/171424109:14
Tonio_Riddell: okay, is the python-qt thing resolved or do you want me to investigate ?09:15
Riddellgo ahead09:15
Riddellit's listed on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+milestone/later09:16
RiddellTonio_: why delete linphone?09:16
Tonio_Riddell: gtk app09:16
Tonio_Riddell: if we accept gtk apps, then we can include ekiga and the problem is resolved :)09:17
Tonio_http://linphone.org/index.php/v2/screenshots09:19
Tonio_the window manager there is kde but the toolkit is gtk2, unfortunately :)09:19
Riddellcurious, I thought they usually did stuff in qt09:20
Riddellis it just a fork of ekiga I wonder?09:21
Tonio_nope is it a sip solution from scratch afaik09:21
fdovingmhb: well.. no idea. It got approved and uploaded to -proposed shortly before UDS, upstream changed the fix, waiting for approval of new patch, hasn't been easy to get in touch with mdz or cjwatson lately.09:22
Tonio_okay let's go on the multimedia simplification thing09:28
Tonio_Riddell: it looks like a lot of people are affraid to simplify kaffeine...09:28
Tonio_codeine cannot be shiped by default since it has issues dealing with contrast and crashes konqueror too09:29
Tonio_I wonder what to do.... simply patching the mimetypes then to remove kaffeine from audio and that's it ?09:29
Riddellyep09:29
Tonio_okay I'll do that as soon as I can upload09:30
nixternalhola compadres09:30
Tonio_just let me know when it is possible09:30
Tonio_hey nixternal :)09:30
Tonio_I'll get the maximum audio apps (like jabbin) in universe, even if we don't ship with it09:31
Riddellfdoving: do you know the kde bug number for this?09:34
fdovingRiddell: hang on.09:34
fdovinghttp://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13656609:34
UbugtuKDE bug 136566 in general "Connecting to ICQ doesn't work anymore" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  09:34
Riddellaccording to #kopete MSN is broken too09:35
fdovingmine is not.09:36
fdovingwith that fix, anyway.09:36
fdovingI can try the repo version.09:37
fdovinghang on.09:37
Riddellmaybe they mean in an SVN version09:37
Tonio_Riddell: well msn works at least with the standard 3.5.5 release09:37
Tonio_Riddell: probably yes09:37
Tonio_http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y9nxcOj5q-809:39
Tonio_so cuuuuuuuuute !09:39
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seelelol09:40
imbrandonpapa tonio09:40
imbrandonheya seele 09:41
Tonio_look at this little girl ! I am already in love :) hehe09:41
seeleimbrandon: word09:42
Tonio_Riddell: I'm packaging wengophone to check if the qt4.2 issue is resolved09:44
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imbrandonTonio_: are their codine packages >09:46
imbrandon?09:46
Tonio_imbrandon: yes the package is done but it has too many issues to be used by default in my opinion09:46
imbrandonheh everything has issues, its just what is the lesser of the evils, but no i was asking just to try it, not nessesarly default09:47
Tonio_imbrandon: yes but codeine issues are :09:47
Tonio_no playlist, issues setting contrast correctly on most videos, and crashes konqueror too09:48
imbrandonno no your mis understanding me, i'm not trying to make it default, i just wanted to try it09:48
imbrandon:)09:48
fdovingRiddell: msn works in the kopete-edgy package.09:49
Tonio_imbrandon: ah, in that case yes you can install it, I did the package with allee09:49
imbrandonanyhow, out for lunch, bbiab09:49
imbrandonkk Tonio_ 09:49
Tonio_I can't wait for oskar to be out......09:52
alleeTonio_: fwiw simple-just-work-apps don't need playlists :)  *hides*10:03
Tonio_allee: hum, eventually, but concerning the contrast issue, that's very annoying10:05
alleeTonio_: never noticed such a problem.  But you convienced me last time that kaffein file not also shows a understandable GUI immediately10:07
allees/not/10:07
Tonio_allee: yes the UI is better now10:07
Tonio_I would just like it to be cleaned of all the audio features in fact10:07
Tonio_but if we do that........ we'll get burned by the community :)10:08
alleeTonio_: instead of cleaning jumping to amarok would be even better10:08
Tonio_the very cool thing is that there is a project to merge several kde3 apps into one good one for kde410:08
alleeTonio_: yeah, I read the comments on the wiki10:08
Tonio_allee: the amarok integration is already done in fact10:09
Tonio_someone that just clicks to open will have a convenient file associations now10:09
Tonio_Riddell: concerning the integration of dvd rip in K3B, I'll probably not to it since that requires mencoder...10:10
alleeTonio_: a chaos gain;) soffice was splitted,  and now the merge apps.  IMHO koffice,kontact does it right. You can use in merged view or standalone10:10
Tonio_Riddell: will not work out of the box...10:10
Tonio_allee: kpart used by default ?10:10
alleeTonio_: not sure what kontact uses, but I assime kparts too10:11
Tonio_well that's not that bad isn't it ?10:12
alleeTonio_: :)10:12
alleeTonio_: k3b: when memcoder is _needed_ but not installed, popup a nice dialog that explains why's not there and where to get it10:13
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nixternalhttp://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/blog/   <-- flames coming shortly10:58
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