[12:13] <Saparok> kitsaros: no idea.  I can't even get it to install with an Nvidia card installed, so can't get that far.
[12:14] <kitsaros> i found that on google : Your SUSE 6.2 system is configured to perform graphic login.
[12:14] <kitsaros> This behavior is analogous to console login: when you logout
[12:14] <kitsaros> from shell, you are presented with the login prompt again.
[12:14] <kitsaros> If you do not like this behaviour, you need to edit the
[12:14] <kitsaros> /etc/inittab file and change the default runlevel from 5
[12:14] <kitsaros> to 3:
[12:14] <kitsaros> the line
[12:14] <kitsaros>     id:5:initdefault:
[12:14] <kitsaros> should be changed to
[12:14] <kitsaros>     id:3:initdefault:
[12:14] <kitsaros> i hope that  this does the trick
[12:14] <Raven301> kitsaros: please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:14] <Saparok> spam much?
[12:15] <smaggard> eew
[12:15] <kitsaros> ok sorry !
[12:15] <smaggard> floppys?
[12:18] <kitsaros> have a nice day im going to test it -! thx for the great support anyway ! :)
[12:20] <me__> how do I get beagle to run on kubuntu?
[12:21] <smaggard> umm vista is still installing
[12:21] <smaggard> btw i cant pm cuz im not registered
[12:25] <n8k99> !beagle
[12:26] <stefano> hi all
[12:26] <stefano> I'm in a big trouble!!
[12:26] <ubotu> beagle: indexing and search tool for your personal data. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.9-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 804 kB, installed size 3160 kB
[12:27] <stefano> I'm looking for urgent help
[12:27] <stefano> I'm on a Kubuntu dapper with kde 3.5.5 freshly installed
[12:28] <stefano> I was adding some extra softw from repos with adept
[12:28] <stefano> java exacly
[12:28] <stefano> sun-java5-bin
[12:28] <stefano> and dependencies
[12:29] <stefano> when the installation started apparead in the framebuffer a contract which I am supposed to agree
[12:29] <Tm_T> aseigo: Sometimes the question isn't that important, but get the feeling of participation.
[12:29] <stefano> but adept doesn't seem to make me interact with the framebuffer
[12:30] <stefano> so I had to kill adept
[12:30] <aseigo> stefano: you mean the console embedded in the window?
[12:30] <aseigo> uh-oh. =)
[12:30] <stefano> and now I have an half installation that won't let me use any kind of apt
[12:30] <stefano> aseigo: yes
[12:31] <Bubba_Gump> stefano: have you a live CD handy?
[12:31] <stefano> I gave "dpkg --configure -a
[12:31] <stefano> Bubba: yes
[12:31] <aseigo> stefano: it does let you interact with it.. perhaps it didn't have focus for some odd reason... clicking in the console area would likely have done the trick. (i've used the konsole thing in adept many times successfully, so it -does- work =)
[12:31] <stefano> the dpkg installed the dependencies packages
[12:31] <aseigo> stefano: that said ... when you run apt-get from the command line does it suggest a fix?
[12:32] <stefano> aseigo: It suggested dpkg.. now nothing
[12:32] <stefano> wait I'll try again with adept
[12:33] <stefano> nothing...
[12:33] <stefano> can't interact with frameb
[12:34] <stefano> i've got "half windowed" fb
[12:34] <Bubba_Gump> a good thing in linux, is, that, when I install a new program, it doesn't change all the icons around to suit the new proggy
[12:34] <aseigo> stefano: hm.. even if you click in it?
[12:34] <stefano> aseigo: yes
[12:34] <stefano> nothing happens
[12:35] <stefano> Can I remove in some way the package and get it again from terminal?
[12:37] <stefano> sorry..I'm gonna paste something...quite urgent
[12:37] <stefano> stefano@stefano-linux:~$ sudo apt-get remove sun-java5-bin
[12:37] <stefano> E: Impossibile ottenere il lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:37] <stefano> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:38] <aseigo> yes, that's because adept is still running
[12:38] <aseigo> (assuming it is =)
[12:38] <stefano> ok I killed it
[12:39] <aseigo> now try an install sun-java5-bin
[12:39] <stefano> now it ask me to dpkg --configure -a
[12:39] <stefano> but if I do it nothing happens
[12:39] <aseigo> right... because its in an unsafe state...
[12:39] <stefano> so how can I fix it?
[12:39] <aseigo> ok.. after that, however, can you do a `sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin`
[12:39] <MURGO> ?
[12:39] <aseigo> do the dpkg, then install it from a konsole direclty
[12:40] <MURGO> some 1 speak spanish?
[12:40] <stefano> done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:41] <stefano> holy shit!!!
[12:41] <stefano> thnx a lot man!!!!!!!!!!
[12:41] <aseigo> np.
[12:41] <stefano> I was trapped in a kinda vortex :)
[12:41] <MURGO> lol
[12:42] <stefano> now I wonder if it's gonna work in firefox...
[12:42] <aseigo> stefano: btw, that may have been a bug in older adepts ... i know i've used that feature of adept successfully in the past, though how recent that past is i'm not sure =0
[12:42] <aseigo> hm. time to pick up the boy from school.. bbiaw
[12:42] <stefano> I am on kde 3.5.5
[12:42] <stefano> ty man
[12:42] <aseigo> adept comes separately
[12:43] <stefano> so should I update it?
[12:43] <aseigo> stefano: you do system updates (via adept =) regularly, right?
[12:44] <aseigo> stefano: if so, you'll have whatever the latest version is on dapper for adept
[12:44] <stefano> it's a fresh install
[12:44] <aseigo> stefano: if not, you'll want to do an update asafp
[12:44] <aseigo> er, asasfp
[12:44] <aseigo> gah
[12:44] <MURGO> wtf
[12:44] <stefano> finished few minutes ago and updated
[12:44] <aseigo> stefano: ah, ok.. so you've gone through one (probably massive) online update then?
[12:45] <stefano> I guess it's a bug of the newer version so
[12:45] <stefano> yes
[12:47] <murchadh>  That Adept problem happens when installing Sun java. Workaround is to sudo/kdesu adept from a terminal, and interact with it there. Yakuake is the coolest terminal I've come across.
[12:49] <stefano> mmm...new problem...now java is installed..
[12:49] <pedrorvd> go to the wiki help page
[12:49] <stefano> but am I supposed to link it into firefox's plugin folder as the manual installation?
[12:50] <pedrorvd> use the apt-get install ... it do every fin for you
[12:51] <stefano> done it...but I guess something went wrong...
[12:51] <pedrorvd> Update de repositories ..
[12:52] <stefano> done...nothing happens
[12:52] <stefano> I guess I should reinstall it
[12:52] <pedrorvd> sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[12:53] <pedrorvd> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.06 /usr/java .
[12:54] <pedrorvd> brasilian?
[12:54] <stefano> italian
[12:54] <stefano> err...it gives me firefox...but I got it from website and put it in /opt
[12:55] <MetaBookfoziS> bye all
[12:55] <stefano> cu
[12:57] <MuJ> yeah.., bye!
[01:04] <stefano> thank u all again...bye
[01:15] <xenium> my kdesvn is doing some problem on first right clicks .. most times showing a Kde information window Couldn't connect DCOP Won't receive any status notifications! ... sometimes crashing konqueror thou .. why is such an important package like kdesvn served in an sooo old version 0.8.5-1 ... current version is 0.11.0
[01:25] <eaglehawk> hello everybody
[01:26] <eaglehawk> I have proble with ktorrent DHT..any ideas anybody??
[01:26] <eaglehawk> problem*
[01:27] <yannacko> salut
[01:30] <slimani> hello everybody
[01:30] <slimani> i am new to ubuntu
[01:30] <slimani> :)
[01:30] <IrishDave> hey, i need a quick hand with the nvidia proprietry driver if someone could help me?
[01:31] <hollywoodb> !ask
[01:31] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:32] <yannacko> ya quelqu'un qui parle le franais ici?
[01:32] <Black_Horse> yannacko: oui moi
[01:32] <Black_Horse> mais je crois pas que je peux t'aider a priori :)
[01:32] <hollywoodb> !fr | yannacko
[01:32] <ubotu> yannacko: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
 c'est koi ton prnom?
[01:34] <paulina> ubuntu is shit linspire is better
[01:34] <Bubba_Gump> any way to keep the audio within avi videos in sync with the video display ?
[01:35] <IrishDave> what program are you using?
[01:35] <eaglehawk> hi irishdave:
[01:35] <Bubba_Gump> IrishDave: VLC
[01:35] <IrishDave> hey eaglehawk
[01:35] <eaglehawk> what is the problem
[01:36] <IrishDave> i've tried installing it via Adept and then doing sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[01:36] <Bubba_Gump> eaglehawk: the audio is out of sync with the video when playing Avi files
[01:36] <Black_Horse> paulina: why?
[01:36] <IrishDave> but it doesnt end up using the new driver, it stays with nv
[01:36] <IrishDave> i also tried downloading from the nvidia website and installing it from there
[01:36] <eaglehawk> what driver are u  using
[01:36] <eaglehawk> nv or the nvidia
[01:36] <IrishDave> but that complained of having incompatible kernels
[01:36] <IrishDave> i am using nv, i want to use nvidia
[01:37] <Black_Horse> how to fix correctly xmms problems with mp3
[01:37] <IrishDave> at the minute im trying to use apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common to see what i can manage
[01:37] <eaglehawk> i am going to give the apt repo. where u can binary .deb for the nvidia-glx drive..ok
[01:38] <eaglehawk> deb http://amaranth.selfip.com/ edgy lrm
[01:39] <paulina> linspire is better for a service CNR
[01:39] <eaglehawk> add to /etc/apt/source.list and type sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:40] <IrishDave> hey eaglehawk, i jus installed it from the default repo, so im gonna restart and see how this one goes
[01:41] <IrishDave> ill be back soon
[01:41] <eaglehawk> it should help...
[01:42] <Bubba_Gump> any suggestions for, keeping the audio in sync with the video, in avi files ?
[01:42] <eaglehawk> has anyone any luck with ktorrent DHT feature??..
[01:42] <Bubba_Gump> eaglehawk: yes
[01:43] <eaglehawk> bubba_gump: is it a reply to dht feature
[01:44] <Bubba_Gump> eaglehawk: /me shrugs
[01:44] <Bubba_Gump> eaglehawk: DHT seems to increase the number of connections (peers) here
[01:45] <eaglehawk> well i have ktorrent 2.0.3 on kubuntu edgy and get a list of about 80 dht peers but all are marked red
[01:45] <Bubba_Gump> eaglehawk: yeah
[01:45] <Bubba_Gump> eaglehawk: occasionaly one will turn green now and then
[01:46] <eaglehawk> why is it so? in windows i have bitlord and get 49 dht peers all getting connected now and then
[01:46] <shelle> i am a beginner,and i would like to know the name of the program for drawing
[01:47] <eaglehawk> shelle: try gimp
[01:47] <Bubba_Gump> shelle: krita
[01:47] <Bubba_Gump> eaglehawk: yeah i'm wondering too
[01:48] <Bubba_Gump> eaglehawk: ktorrent is a lumpy app in my opinion
[01:48] <eaglehawk> shelle:pixela is also good try google search
[01:48] <shelle> ok, thanks i am trying to draw a layout for my husbands woodshop
[01:48] <Bubba_Gump> :)
[01:48] <IrishDave> ok i think it is working although GL isnt working (i tried a screensaver)
[01:48] <eaglehawk> bubba_gump: so what is the better client? in linux
[01:49] <shelle> thank you , i will give those a try
[01:49] <Bubba_Gump> eaglehawk: i've only tried Ktorrent thus far
[01:49] <Bubba_Gump> eaglehawk: i heard someone here suggesting Wine and Utorrent
[01:49] <IrishDave> ok, hold on, that didnt actually wrk
[01:49] <eaglehawk> i don want to use wine
[01:50] <Bubba_Gump> same here
[01:50] <Bubba_Gump> !ktorrent
[01:50] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.3+dfsg1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1155 kB, installed size 5032 kB
[01:50] <eaglehawk> irishdave: type glxinfo |grep direct
[01:50] <shelle> how do i upgrade from breezy to 6.06, i have the cd
[01:51] <IrishDave> missing, im running the nv driver
[01:51] <IrishDave> it wont let me edit xorg.conf anymore, does this have to be done while X is closed?
[01:51] <eaglehawk> press ALT+F1
[01:52] <eaglehawk> edit in console with mc
[01:52] <eaglehawk> or gedit
[01:52] <IrishDave> i've been editing it in console with vim and using sudo vim .....
[01:53] <IrishDave> i've got it properly changed and checked now
[01:53] <IrishDave> ill go run it
[01:53] <IrishDave> brb
[01:53] <Bubba_Gump> eaglehawk: bittornado looks cool
[01:53] <eaglehawk> bubba_gump: have you tried it or anyone with good result
[01:54] <scorp007> hi, does anyone use smart package manager here?
[01:54] <Bubba_Gump> eaglehawk: not yet
[01:54] <eaglehawk> because i heard there is some bug with kubuntu handling dht itself
[01:55] <eaglehawk> ?
[01:55] <Bubba_Gump> eaglehawk: i have a firewall, maybe DMZ might help DHT
[01:56] <eaglehawk> what is DMZ :) i dont have any ideas
[01:56] <Bubba_Gump> eaglehawk: port forwarding, i think
[01:56] <Bubba_Gump> risky
[01:57] <eaglehawk> well ktorrent has the port forwarding built in with uPNP so no need to consider separate port forwarding to check dht
[01:58] <Bubba_Gump> yes, thats right
[01:59] <Bubba_Gump> another thing with ktorrent, is, that, sharing is a definate must
[01:59] <Bubba_Gump> if the share falls anywhere below 0.50, speeds appear to be capped
[02:01] <me__> how do I setup beagle for kubuntu?
[02:04] <cpk1> alright if i have a .cue and .bin can i mount the cue and it will use the bin?
[02:06] <faderhval_> hi people i'm having some trouble with Kubuntu it wont shutdown probeply! it exits X and shuts of my monitor but et never actually reboot!
[02:08] <eaglehawk> bubba_gump:i have some client wit NO cHOKED and NO snubbed status and i am being uploading to them but they not downloading anything from them while they have 70%file and some which are choked and snubbed but i am still uploiading with no download and they have only 20%file..how do you explain that
[02:11] <Captain_Redbeard> Hey guys, I need a hand with my sound system... there are two issues actually... 1st off the connectors on the front doesn't work, and second the mic doesn't work at all... alsamixer reports the soundcard to be an : "Analog Devices AD1986A" card can someone please help me out?
[02:12] <eaglehawk> captain_redbeard: is it a laptop
[02:12] <Captain_Redbeard> eaglehawk: nope...
[02:12] <hollywoodb> Captain_Redbeard: check out ALSA webpage docs & wiki for the front jacks... as far as Mic goes, make sure in alsamixer that both Mic in, Capture are unmuted & turned up... also make sure if there's an input selector in alsamixer that its set to Mic
[02:12] <Captain_Redbeard> it sits on an asus mother board with an athlon 64 processor
[02:12] <Captain_Redbeard> hollywoodb done that for the mic...
[02:13] <Captain_Redbeard> no matter what I do I can't seem to get it going
[02:13] <hollywoodb> Captain_Redbeard: alright, then check out ALSA docs & wiki... usually there you can find tips & tricks from alsamixer settings to an asoundrc to get things working properly
[02:13] <eaglehawk> what alsa version you have
[02:14] <Captain_Redbeard> I've tried that too... neither alsa webpage nor google or usergroups can help me :(
[02:14] <Captain_Redbeard> eaglehawk: 1.0.11 I think
[02:14] <n8k99> which filesystem should i use if I want to be able to mount ~ from os x
[02:15] <eaglehawk> i think you need 1.0.13 release for the fix because many fixes have been applied to it..it sure will help
[02:15] <Captain_Redbeard> eaglehawk: ok? is it is the reps?
[02:15] <n8k99> & how do i put /home on a separate partition from /boot?
[02:16] <scorp007> is there a repository i can get smart package manager from?
[02:16] <eaglehawk> no there are no repo. binaries at the moment u need to compile
[02:16] <eaglehawk> is the headphone working fine?
[02:16] <Captain_Redbeard> yup
[02:17] <eaglehawk> the u need to upgrade..:)
[02:17] <Captain_Redbeard> mkay... but is it in the reps or do I need to compile it?
[02:19] <Captain_Redbeard> seems the version in the reps are 1.0.11
[02:20] <lucky_> kubuntu-offtopic
[02:20] <lucky_> #kubuntu-offtopic whats this?
[02:20] <Captain_Redbeard> eaglehawk: you there? what to do if it's not in the reps?
[02:22] <eaglehawk> build from these files if you can compile https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/1.0.13-1ubuntu1
[02:24] <Captain_Redbeard> thanks
[02:31] <me__> does anybody know how to run beagled on kubuntu?
[02:34] <AaronCampbell> I want a video card that will be able to do dual monitors on a DEFAULT install of Kubuntu (without needing additional drivers).  Is this possible?
[02:35] <AaronCampbell> I'm using Edgy
[02:39] <hollywoodb> me__: Kerry is a beagle front-end for KDE, but that's about all I know
[02:40] <jesse__> I don't even know what "Beagled" is...
[02:40] <jesse__> What is it?
[02:42] <hollywoodb> jesse__: beagle daemon... does indexing and searching
[02:42] <me__> hollywoodb, where do i get kerry?
[02:42] <hollywoodb> !info kerry | me__
[02:42] <ubotu> kerry: a KDE frontend for the Beagle desktop search daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 150 kB, installed size 776 kB
[02:43] <jesse__> I kinda new to KDE but I know GNOME better than I do KDE.
[02:43] <hollywoodb> me__: universe repo
[02:43] <jesse__> Oh! Ok cool
[02:43] <hollywoodb> jesse__: if you've done a search in recent gnome version, chances are you were using beagle
[02:44] <jesse__> ok
[02:44] <jesse__> I didn't know that through
[02:44] <jesse__> I'm kinda of a multitasking freak..
[02:45] <hollywoodb> jesse__: it can index webpages, files, documents... so if you search for "Theory of Relativity" it will attempt to match webpages you've visited and documents you've read/written for matches, as well as files on your disk if its set up that way
[02:46] <jesse__> how do you execute it?
[02:47] <easyrider1> hi all
[02:47] <tamacracker> Does anyone know how to tweak/uncap cable modems?
[02:47] <jesse__> I don't know how to tweak cable modems, just how to tweak a wireless connection.
[02:48] <easyrider1> I keep trying to access adept manager, but....it keeps telling me another apt get program is running.  Problem is, thats not true!
[02:48] <hollywoodb> jesse__: I'm not really sure the proper way to configure & run beagle ... beagled is the daemon that runs in the background, and its rather integrated into gnome... I never used it much, and I haven't used kerry at all
[02:49] <hollywoodb> easyrider1: are there any apt-get/adept type things running in the process table of ksysguard ?
[02:49] <jesse__> easyrider:>look on your other workspaces for aptitude or dpkg or something like that
[02:49] <jesse__> easyrider:> it probaly would be on Konsole
[02:51] <easyrider1> nothing is running in the workspaces
[02:51] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | easyrider1
[02:51] <ubotu> easyrider1: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[02:51] <Jucato> ohayou seishinbyou!
[02:51] <seishinbyou> 
[02:52] <Jucato> hehe
[02:52] <Jucato> hm.. strange printer....
[02:52] <jesse__> well press control Escape and look at the process tab for adept
[02:53] <easyrider1> ok, pressed ctl + escape
[02:54] <Jucato> easyrider1: did you do the command that was given to you by the bot?
[02:54] <jesse__> now look for adept
[02:54] <easyrider1> yes i did
[02:54] <easyrider1> It gave me >
[02:55] <easyrider1> ok looking at adept
[02:55] <me__> why do i need the kerry front end for beagle to work? shouldn't ubuntu programs work on kubuntu too?
[02:55] <jesse__> if it not there then try rebooting
[02:55] <Jucato> easyrider1: you probably didn't enter the commands properly
[02:55] <easyrider1> ok i will try again
[02:55] <Jucato> easyrider1: to make it easy, just enter this command: "sudo dpkg --configure -a" (without the quotes)
[02:55] <hollywoodb> me__: well if you have beagled running, how do you plan to use it without a frontend?
[02:55] <Jucato> yay scanner worked!!!!!
[02:55] <tamacracker> Would anyone be able to point me to the right direction in finding out how to uncap my modem?
[02:55] <jesse__> yes the kerry front-end is backwards compatible if you have the correct library's
[02:56] <Jucato> also, Kerry is a KDE front-end to Beagle, which is a GNOME app
[02:56] <easyrider1> now we're getting somewhere
[02:56] <jesse__> go
[02:56] <jesse__> crap, i ment good
[02:56] <Jucato> hm...
[02:56] <me__> hollywoodb, i have no idea what frontend even means, i'm new to kubuntu/linux in general
[02:57] <easyrider1> I must have gotten one of the quotes in there
[02:57] <fmeissner> hi
[02:57] <jesse__> you know Ubuntu is more user-friendly that Kubuntu is...
[02:57] <fmeissner> I was wondering if anyone here knew how to exit the X Server
[02:57] <hollywoodb> me__: you originally asked about running beagled with KDE, beagled is a daemon that runs in the background doing its indexing and such... Kerry is a KDE-centric frontend that gives you access to that daemon for searching and other beagley things
[02:57] <Jucato> frontend usually means something that displays in front of you, like a GUI, that hides what the backend, the part the really does the dirty things, is doing
[02:58] <jesse__> X is part of the main system you can't terminated it..
[02:58] <fmeissner> that's strange
[02:58] <fmeissner> because to install these nVidia driver
[02:58] <hollywoodb> jesse__: Gnome in general aims more for easy & simple than KDE
[02:58] <Jucato> you can restart the X server
[02:58] <fmeissner> it says it is necessary for me to stop it
[02:59] <easyrider1> YEAH, its working
[02:59] <easyrider1> Thanks guys
[02:59] <jesse__> yes but xsession manager is required for the system to run.
[02:59] <fmeissner> yeah...
[02:59] <me__> hollywoodb, so frontend is a graphical interface designed for kubuntu that lets me access the beagled daemon? do all daemons need frontends?
[02:59] <Jucato> fmeissner: only do this if you know the next steps in installing the driver (you have written in down). logout, the press Ctrl+Alt+F1, then type in "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop"
[02:59] <easyrider1> Hopefully I will become good at this system so i can give back someday
[02:59] <jesse__> easy_rider:>your welcome
[03:00] <jesse__> have fun
[03:00] <fmeissner> okay
[03:00] <fmeissner> I should probably write down the steps then
[03:00] <fmeissner> thanks
[03:00] <bkudria> Could someone help me and tell me how to set up a vpn connection to relakks.com ?  https://www.relakks.com/faq/guides/connectionmanual/  i need to set up a client to connect to their server, and i cannot figure it out.
[03:00] <jesse__> fmeissner:>your welcome
[03:01] <jesse__> bkudria:> I can't answer that...
[03:02] <jesse__> Anybody else got a problem?
[03:02] <Telroth_Plushie|> yes
[03:02] <Jucato> I can print a test page using CUPS' web interface and as root. but my normal user doesn't show the printer I just installed as an option...
[03:02] <bkudria> jesse__: oh, thanks for being so helpful! :)
[03:03] <Telroth_Plushie|> how do I set up the ntfs fuse module so that i can mount ntfs partitions read-write using the "ntfs-fuse" filesystem?
[03:03] <mentok> bkudria: do you have all the information such as username and passwords?
[03:03] <jesse__> bkudria:> sorry i know a lot, but not everything.
[03:04] <jesse__> got to go!
[03:04] <Jucato> bah! printers later...
[03:04] <Telroth_Plushie|> i've set it up on other systems (kanotix, knoppix, just had to install ntfstools and libfuse)
[03:04] <bkudria> mentok: yep...
[03:04] <mentok> bkudria: and vpn software?
[03:04] <bkudria> mentok: i afrind gave me his info so that i can test that the service does actually wokr under linux
[03:05] <bkudria> mentok: i can install vpn software, i don't know what i need
[03:05] <hollywoodb> me__: well you have some daemons running right now in the background you may never need to mess with... system logging and things like that... beagled is a daemon that you actually want to "use" in your regular desktop usage... so while beagled runs in the background doing its thing, you use something like kerry to actually do searches using beagled
[03:05] <mentok> bkudria: try googling vpnc, i think that is the citrix vpn client, let me take a look in apt also
[03:06] <bkudria> mentok: ok...
[03:06] <me__> hollywoodb, great, makes sense, thank you very much. also, is there a way to save my current desktop setup and then log off or shut down, so that when i boot back up my same windows are open?
[03:06] <mentok> bkudria: I'm actually trying to get a vpn up on linux also
[03:07] <mentok> bkudria: in adept look for kvpnc
[03:07] <bkudria> mentok: ok, let me try that
[03:08] <hollywoodb> me__: yeah, it can be done, although I haven't messed with it myself... perhaps try #kde
[03:08] <mentok> bkudria: also, if you want to use another client there are a few that come up under vpn in adept
[03:08] <Jucato> hollywoodb: he'll only be redirected back here for kubuntu-specific questions :P
[03:08] <mentok> bkudria: but I prefer to stick with KDE stuff so long as it works :)
[03:08] <hollywoodb> Jucato: well session saving is pretty generic, i hope ;)
[03:08] <bkudria> mentok: agreed. :)
[03:09] <Jucato> yes, but we're not sure if Kubuntu didn't do anything to it :)
[03:09] <mike___> this has been my first week with desktop linux and it has been great
[03:09] <hollywoodb> Jucato: yeah, I got a little "lesson" in how kubuntu patches kdesu ;P
[03:09] <mike___> my mac just died and I am happy to buy a cheap PC and put Linux on it and put the rest of the money into multiple monitors
[03:10] <mike___> kubuntu is way cool
[03:10] <Jucato> me__: "Restore from previous session" is the default Kubuntu behavior, btw. It does what you want
[03:12] <mandarin> bkudria: ok so how's vpn working so far?
[03:12] <hollywoodb> Jucato: yeah, I'm waiting for cups/hplip to catch up to my shiny new hp printer... it works fine, if I print ONE job... I have to either turn it off and on or cancel all jobs between prints... the jobs don't clear themselves and the printer 'panics'
[03:13] <hollywoodb> Jucato: but before the latest hplip version it didn't print at all, so that's progress I guess
[03:13] <mandarin> bkudria: i'm trying it on another computer
[03:13] <Jucato> hollywoodb: I'm still having problems with the printing, though. (although the scanner part works fine)
[03:13] <bkudria> mentok: it wants to know what kind of vpn it is...what do i pick?
[03:14] <Captain_Redbeard> Hmmm how do I, with amixer, set what mic to use for input?
[03:14] <bkudria> mandarin: kvpnc wants to know what kind of vpn i'm connecting to...what do i pick?
[03:14] <Jucato> kool! photocopier works fine too... now the printer is the only problem
[03:16] <Jucato> here's my problem: I can print a test page using CUPS web admin. I can also see the printer when running kdeprint as root. but as normal user, nothing... what do I do? :(
[03:16] <mandarin> bkudria: on the website that you posted is there some specification
[03:17] <mandarin> bkudria: hmm, I can't tell which kind it is
[03:17] <mandarin> bkudria: give me a second
[03:17] <benj> hello
[03:17] <bkudria> mandarin: yeah, i didn't see anythign...thanks for taking a look
[03:18] <bkudria> mandarin: i am supposed to be connecting to l2tp.relakks.com ... maybe the l2tp bit means something?
[03:20] <shadowhywind> hay all what is a good program to recovery files that were deleted off of a harddrive
[03:20] <lwizardl> hi
[03:22] <mandarin> bkudria: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L2TP -- its the protocol
[03:22] <mikepence> can you guys see my messages?
[03:22] <shadowhywind> yes mike
[03:22] <mikepence> thanks
[03:22] <mikepence> did I mention that I love kubuntu?
[03:23] <mandarin> bkudria: sorry I was on the phone at the same time looking that up
[03:23] <lwizardl> I have a kubuntu webserver I setup I can login using ssh when connected via the same network but if I try to login from a outside network i get permission denied using the same login/pass. Anyone know whats going on? I can login using ssh but if i try ssh-add IPADDRESS i get "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent."
[03:23] <bkudria> mandarin: sure, no problem...the site also mentions pptp, so i'll try that...and, i'm behind a router
[03:24] <bkudria> mandarin: doh!  their site even has a guide to connecting with linux
[03:25] <bkudria> mandarin: i'm ptrtty sure it wasn't there yesterday, however...
[03:25] <mandarin> bkudria: hehe
[03:25] <bkudria> mandarin: so i'll probably figure it out.  thanks for the help, though!
[03:25] <mandarin> bkudria: no problem, sometimes talking gets you in the right direction :)
[03:26] <mandarin> bkudria: good luck, let me know if you need any more help
[03:26] <bkudria> mandarin: will do, thanks
[03:29] <campbch> ello.
[03:30] <campbch> i got vlc, but i'm looking for a way to use it to play dvds? it says i need libdvdcss, and to have compiled it with that lib, but a) i cant compile well and b) it says there's a deb file with the lib included, but i cant find it and it says there should be a plugins thing on apt.
[03:30] <campbch> has anyone else gotten it working?
[03:31] <Homer> where can I get some communist wallpapers for kubuntu
[03:31] <Jucato> O_o
[03:31] <Jucato> Homer: try kde-look.org
[03:31] <Jucato> or Google
[03:31] <Jucato> !libdvdcss2
[03:31] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  -  libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:31] <Homer> http://static.flickr.com/69/174647747_8fd3f6749d_b.jpg
[03:31] <Homer> that's a cool one
[03:31] <Jucato> !libdvdcss
[03:31] <Homer> I wish they had it in png
[03:32] <campbch> communism isnt bad, it's another way of thinking... a corrupt government makes it bad.
[03:32] <Jucato> Homer: PNG is bigger than JPG (file size) you can convert it with Krita
[03:32] <Jucato> !libdvdcss
[03:32] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  -  libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:32] <Homer> no it has jpg artifacts
[03:32] <Jucato> campbch: have you tried those guides ^^^^^
[03:32] <campbch> ill check them :D
[03:33] <campbch> anyways, good quote - communism is fair, but it doesn't work, socialism is fair, but it doesn't work all of the time, capitalism isn't fair, but it works. mostly.
[03:33] <Jucato> let's try to stay on topic, shall we? :)
[03:34] <fmeissner> hey, I was wondering if I could have some help with the sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop command
[03:34] <mandarin> I thought this was a kubuntu forum, not a political one?
[03:34] <mandarin> am I missing something:?
[03:34] <mandarin> !politics
[03:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about politics - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:35] <mandarin> hehe :)
[03:35] <Jucato> !offtopic
[03:35] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:35] <Jucato> fmeissner: what about it?
[03:35] <Homer> I just like communist wallpapers
[03:35] <fmeissner> well
[03:35] <Homer> and icon sets
[03:36] <fmeissner> when I get to that command line, when I enter a command, nothing happens
[03:36] <fmeissner> and I know they are valid commands
[03:36] <fmeissner> it just doesn't recognize anything
[03:36] <Jucato> not even a plain "ls"?
[03:36] <fmeissner> no
[03:36] <fmeissner> I hit enter, nothing happens
[03:36] <Jucato> fmeissner: when you get to the command line (Ctrl+Alt+F1), you have to login first. (username/password)
[03:36] <fmeissner> just goes to the next line
[03:36] <fmeissner> I did
[03:37] <Jucato> hmm... strange then...
[03:37] <fmeissner> I did login
[03:37] <fmeissner> then I followed the sudo /etc/init,d/kdm stop command
[03:38] <Jucato> fmeissner: it's "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop" not a ','
[03:38] <Jucato> fmeissner: sometimes, after that command, you have to press Ctrl+Alt+F1 again to get back to the command line
[03:38] <fmeissner> I id do that
[03:38] <fmeissner> I just typoed
[03:41] <fmeissner> it's just that I'm trying to install the nVidia drivers
[03:42] <Jucato> fmeissner: I'm not sure, but I think you can do the commands in Konsole, while X is running.
[03:42] <fmeissner> I tried
[03:42] <fmeissner> it didn't allow me to
[03:42] <Jucato> all I did to install nvidia drivers in Edgy was to install nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules-generic
[03:42] <Jucato> the sudo nvidia-xconfig and restart X
[03:45] <fmeissner> what's nvidia-glx?
[03:45] <Jucato> !nvidia-glx
[03:45] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.8776+2.6.17.6-1 (edgy), package size 3970 kB, installed size 12312 kB
[03:45] <Jucato> nvidia driver packaged by ubuntu
[03:45] <fmeissner> and how would I get that?
[03:45] <Jucato> proprietary binary driver
[03:45] <Jucato> fmeissner: from Adept or apt-get.
[03:46] <fmeissner> okay
[03:47] <fmeissner> I seem to have it installed
[03:47] <fmeissner> how would I run it?
[03:48] <Jucato> fmeissner: you're on edgy?
[03:48] <fmeissner> yep
[03:48] <fmeissner> 6.10
[03:48] <Jucato> make sure you have linxu-restricted-modules-generic installed (if you are using that kernel)
[03:49] <scorp007> i'm having trouble getting ati drivers to work, on a radeon 9600xt
[03:49] <scorp007> using edgy
[03:49] <campbch> ok, i got synaptic, i got libdvdread3, but i can't enable it?
[03:49] <campbch> it says the shell file isn't available
[03:49] <scorp007> there are about 100 different instructions on the web, each with their own way of installing
[03:49] <campbch> :o
[03:49] <scorp007> so far none of them really helped
[03:50] <scorp007> has anyone got their ati drivers working properly?
[03:50] <Saparok> Has anyone on the planet managed to install 6.10 on an Nvidia 7800-based system?
[03:50] <scorp007> i even got the install script from ati.com and that fails
[03:50] <Jucato> a system based on a video card?
[03:50] <scorp007> it gives me a stupid error
[03:50] <fmeissner> Jucato: I have that installed
[03:50] <campbch> so im still left without dvd playback :'(
[03:50] <Saparok> Jucato: you know what I mean, don't need to be pedantic.
[03:51] <Jucato> Saparok: I was just wondering. there are intel based systems, so I wasn't really sure
[03:51] <Jucato> Saparok: using NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 4000 here. if that counts
[03:51] <campbch> <-- intel
[03:51] <Jucato> the video card is the least of your worries.
[03:51] <campbch> <-- no dvd playback, unrelated to intel
[03:51] <Jucato> !dvd
[03:51] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  -  libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:51] <campbch> how can i get VLC to play dvds?
[03:51] <Jucato> hm.. no other guide...
[03:52] <campbch> i JUST said i followed those instructions and they didnt work
[03:52] <Saparok> it's the main worry right now, since the OS will *not* install with the card installed.  Reboots every time I start up from the DVD.  With an older ATI Fire GL X1 it works fine.
[03:52] <Jucato> campbch: did say "hm... no other guide.." meaning I was checking
[03:52] <campbch> yep.
[03:52] <Saparok> afk a min
[03:53] <campbch> i need it out of principle now, i could be halfway through the movie if i felt like rebooting to windows
[03:53] <campbch> but that defeats the purpose, and doesn't fix anything
[03:55] <fmeissner> Jucato, I do have the linux-restricted-modules-generic thing, but I really don't know what to do from here
[03:55] <Jucato> fmeissner: in the command line, "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[03:55] <Jucato> then restart X.
[03:55] <fmeissner> alright
[03:56] <Jucato> and cross your fingers
[03:56] <fmeissner> how do I restart X?
[03:57] <Jucato> save everything you need to save, then Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[03:57] <campbch> :'(
[03:57] <Jucato> sorry campbch, I don't know what else to say
[03:57] <scorp007> has anyone got their ati card drivers working?
[03:58] <Jucato> btw, are you playing encrypted DVD or something?
[03:58] <Jucato> !codecs
[03:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:58] <Jucato> campbch: in the RestrictedFormats page, I think there are some DVD related stuff too
[03:58] <fmeissner> okay Jucato, I restarted
[03:58] <fmeissner> so what's the best thing for me to do now?
[03:58] <BonBonTheJon> hi all
[03:59] <Jucato> fmeissner: um.. I dunno. did you see the NVIDIA logo when you restarted X?
[03:59] <fmeissner> no....
[03:59] <fmeissner> by restarting X you mean just re-logging on using the commands you have me?
[04:00] <Jucato> no
[04:00] <fmeissner> which was ctl-alt-backspace
[04:00] <fmeissner> oh
[04:00] <fmeissner> ur
 save everything you need to save, then Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[04:00] <campbch> so, why isn't libdvdcss in the seveas repository? it updated successfully from it
[04:00] <fmeissner> I did do that
[04:00] <fmeissner> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[04:00] <fmeissner> then logged on
[04:00] <fmeissner> but no nVidia came up
[04:00] <lwizardl> I have a ubuntu webserver I setup I can login using ssh when connected via the same network but if I try to login from a outside network i get permission denied using the same login/pass. Anyone know whats going on? I can login using ssh but if i try ssh-add IPADDRESS i get "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent."
[04:00] <Jucato> you didn't see the nvidia logo flash for a second before the login screen?
[04:00] <Jucato> sometimes it's too fast anyway
[04:01] <fmeissner> I'll try again
[04:02] <Dr_willis> On my Crt displays - they often dont change res fast enough for me to see that. ;)
[04:02] <Jucato> hi Dr_willis :)
[04:02] <Dr_willis> the nvidia logo should show up right when X starts up. befor KDM even shows up.
[04:03] <Jucato> tell that to fmeissner when he/she returns :P
[04:04] <Dr_willis> i got some weird issue where gdm and kdm both take about a min or more to even show up...
[04:04] <fmeissner> Jucato, I did a full system reboot and the nVidia logo flashed
[04:04] <Dr_willis> not sure whats going on.
[04:04] <fmeissner> now what?
[04:04] <Dr_willis> Its working then. :)
[04:04] <fmeissner> are they installed?
[04:04] <Jucato> fmeissner: now what? dunno. it's finished
[04:04] <fmeissner> oh
[04:04] <Jucato> yes
[04:04] <fmeissner> awesome
[04:04] <fmeissner> thank toy Jucato
[04:05] <fmeissner> *you
[04:05] <Dr_willis> try out a 3d game or 2
[04:05] <Dr_willis> gltron is fun.
[04:05] <Jucato> 3D Desktop is amusing :P
[04:05] <Dr_willis> !find tron
[04:05] <ubotu> Found: ktron, mono-mcs, armagetron, armagetron-common, armagetron-server (and 10 others)
[04:05] <Dr_willis> 3d desktop is annoying.
[04:05] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:05] <fmeissner> wow, now I can get on to all those other great drivers
[04:05] <Jucato> heheh
[04:05] <Jucato> Dr_willis: not the xgl/beryl kind,  mind you
[04:05] <Dr_willis> all these begeinners try to use it. .because its at the top of the package lists.
[04:05] <Jucato> !3ddesktop
[04:05] <ubotu> 3ddesktop: "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.9-5.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 74 kB, installed size 448 kB
[04:05] <Jucato> that one Dr_willis ^^^
[04:05] <Dr_willis> right - thats annoying. :)
[04:05] <fmeissner> oh, and one last question Jucato
[04:05] <Jucato> no need for fancy beryl stuff
[04:06] <Dr_willis> i just alt-tab all over the place.
[04:06] <shishir> can somebody let me know if flash works in amd64, kubuntu
[04:06] <campbch> ok, i got the libdvdcss source, ./configure make all and now what?
[04:06] <fmeissner> how do you make it so that Konversation doesn't auto-start when I log on?
[04:06] <campbch> it did stuff, but i cant run any kind of make install
[04:06] <Dr_willis> !find dvdcss
[04:06] <e1mer> !flash | shishir
[04:06] <ubotu> Package/file dvdcss does not exist in edgy
[04:06] <ubotu> shishir: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:06] <Dr_willis> heh. I never play dvd's i just rip them to avi. :)
[04:07] <campbch> :(
[04:07] <campbch> i dont want them to keep
[04:07] <campbch> how do i make this?
[04:07] <campbch> i got it, went into konsole, typed ./configure, it worked, make all, it worked, now what?
[04:07] <Dr_willis> ./configure, make, sudo make install is the normal 3 step song and dance.
[04:07] <campbch> i dont know what to do amke
[04:07] <bkudria> mandarin: are you still there?  i'm running into some trouble..
[04:07] <Saparok> what's the absolute most reliable set of boot options when doing an install from DVD?
[04:07] <mandarin> bkudria: whats up?
[04:07] <bkudria> mandarin: i'm using pptpconfig, and it fails with these errors: http://pastebin.ca/248871
[04:08] <bkudria> mandarin: i've opened the port on my router as well as my software firewall
[04:09] <campbch> ok, it didnt return any errors, but it says kaffeine still cant read the encrypted dvd
[04:09] <mandarin> bkudria: i'm not exactly sure, but i think you might want to try transparent tunneling
[04:10] <bkudria> mandarin: hwo do i do that?
[04:10] <mandarin> bkudria: truthfully I'm not sure, but I think I may have to do that too
[04:10] <bkudria> mandarin: ok, i have to restart now for somethign unrelated, but i'll be back here
[04:11] <campbch> does that mean it didnt install?
[04:11] <bkudria> thanks for all the help!
[04:11] <mandarin> bkudria: ok, I'll see if I can find anything
[04:11] <bkudria> thanks!
[04:11] <mandarin> bkudria: np
[04:11] <Jucato> campbch: you tried the instructions for install libdvdcss2 (from the RestrictedFormats page)
[04:11] <campbch> !restrictedformats
[04:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:11] <campbch> let me double check
[04:12] <Jucato> campbch: are you on Edgy or Dapper?
[04:14] <campbch> :o ill be damned
[04:14] <campbch> thats why, because it was giving me the dapper one on the other site :(
[04:14] <kitsaros> hello !
[04:14] <campbch> alright, thanks
[04:14] <Jucato> campbch: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/edgy-seveas/extras/ and http://seveas.imbrandon.com/
[04:15] <Jucato> the first link gives instructions what repo to add, the second one is for the GPG key
[04:15] <kitsaros> other than initdefault how can i change the login from textual to gui which was as default on kubuntu ?
[04:18] <fribuntu> Hi all!
[04:18] <fribuntu> Can someone please confirm that kwallet is broken in Kubuntu 6.10 (edgy)?
[04:18] <fribuntu> I am about to go nuts!
[04:18] <kitsaros> to me seems to work
[04:18] <kitsaros> why ?
[04:19] <fribuntu> kitsaros: Are you sure you are using it?
[04:19] <kitsaros> yep
[04:19] <Jucato> same here. no problems
[04:19] <kitsaros> <mount point>
[04:19] <kitsaros> here is an copy paste
[04:19] <fribuntu> kitsaros: Whenever I start kmail, it asks me all my passwords again. Afterwards, kwallet starts up and prompts for the kwallet password.
[04:19] <kitsaros> hmm to me done that once but not now
[04:20] <fribuntu> kitsaros: I have also used konqueror to access pw protected websites and told 100 times to store the pws in kwallet.
[04:20] <fribuntu> kitsaros: I can also open the wallet manager and see that passwords etc. are stored.
[04:20] <kitsaros> :S i cannot help you ... :(
[04:20] <fribuntu> kitsaros: But whenever I log out and back in, they are all gone again!
[04:20] <kitsaros> i use it only to my mail and once has double asked my pass
[04:21] <fribuntu> Jucato: Can you help me out?
[04:21] <fribuntu> kitsaros: have you rebooted since then?
[04:21] <kitsaros> im newbie ...
[04:21] <Jucato> not really. I'm just going to guess here. check if the ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl file has write permissions
[04:21] <kitsaros> yep at least 5 times!
[04:21] <kitsaros> ok brb
[04:22] <fribuntu> Jucato: I did that first thing :) They are writable by me (the user), but not by world.
[04:22] <fribuntu> Jucato: Can you tell me how your access rights are set?
[04:22] <Jucato> how about the ~/.kde/share/config/kwalletrc file?
[04:23] <Jucato> kdewallet.kwl = -rw-r--r--
[04:23] <kitsaros> is writable to me
[04:23] <Jucato> kwalletrc = -rw-------
[04:23] <fribuntu> Jucato: let me check the kwalletrc file ...
[04:23] <Jucato> other than that, I'm also clueless
[04:24] <thompa> !compiz
[04:24] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:24] <bkudria> mandarin: i'm back! :)
[04:24] <fribuntu> Jucato: My kwalletrc is also readable by all (that is 644, errm, rw-r--r--)
[04:24] <Jucato> well, I'm not sure anymore what else could be wrong
[04:26] <mandarin> bkudria: hey
[04:26] <mandarin> bkudria: I found something for you
[04:26] <mandarin> bkudria: http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-diagnosis.phtml
[04:26] <thompa> for some reason xgl dont work, my screen just freezes. it worked in beta I think
[04:27] <mandarin> bkudria: do a search for: control connection
[04:27] <bkudria> mandarin: thanks, i'll take a look!
[04:27] <mandarin> np ;)
[04:27] <fribuntu> Jucato: it is interesting that my kwallet.kwl file is dated from way back! So it has not been touched since the original installation!
[04:27] <Jucato> that is strange then
[04:28] <fribuntu> Jucato: Can you tell me, if your kwallet file is dated from last access?
[04:28] <Jucato> yes. last access Nov. 14 (today)
[04:28] <kitsaros> @all : i do not know why but my kubunto starts in text mode (with alt ctr f7 ) i can swith it but how can i put the default option?
[04:29] <fribuntu> Jucato: Hmm ...
[04:29] <fribuntu> Jucato: that is strange ...
[04:30] <kitsaros> i tryied but modifing the /etc/inittab
[04:30] <kitsaros> but no hope
[04:30] <bkudria> mandarin: hmm, no, i can't even telnet to it (my isp blocks pings and thus, traceroute).
[04:30] <bkudria> mandarin: but any idea why i wouldn't be able to telnet?
[04:30] <bkudria> mandarin: it says right off connection refused
[04:31] <mandarin> bkudria: does your service provider use a firewall?
[04:31] <bkudria> mandarin: can you try "telnet l2tp.relakks.com 1723"?
[04:31] <bkudria> mandarin: i would assume, i'm at a university
[04:32] <bkudria> mandarin: and they have some pretty strict policies (no bittorrent, no pinging, etc)
[04:32] <mandarin> bkudria: wow! no pinging
[04:32] <bkudria> mandarin: yeah
[04:32] <mandarin> bkudria: crazy
[04:33] <bkudria> mandarin: actually, i should be getting connection refused, right?  it's not a telnet server....
[04:34] <mandarin> bkudria: telnet has been disabled by a lot of servers these days
[04:34] <mandarin> bkudria: so most likely its not a telnet
[04:34] <bkudria> mandarin: right, right
[04:35] <mandarin> bkudria: unfortunatly i'd say you should ping the server, just to see if it responds...
[04:35] <bkudria> mandarin: nope, no response, but i get no response from google, either.  pinging the hostname does give me the ip, however...
[04:36] <mandarin> although I just pinged it and I got a response
[04:36] <mandarin> bkudria: try ping relakks.com
[04:36] <OOD> !flood
[04:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:36] <mandarin> bkudria:  check the ip against the one in the vpn client
[04:37] <bkudria> mandarin: well, relakks is .9 on the end, while l2tp. is .10 on the end... but pinging both works from outside the uni network
[04:38] <mandarin> bkudria: is .10 the one ure using in the vpn client?
[04:38] <bkudria> mandarin: yes, l2tp.relakks.com
[04:39] <mandarin> bkudria: hmmm
[04:39] <Ahmuck> i am unable to boot after install
[04:40] <mandarin> bkudria: is the vpn is off the university?
[04:40] <bkudria> mandarin: very much so: it's in sweden
[04:40] <bkudria> mandarin: it's the anonymous one set up by the pirate bay people
[04:41] <mandarin> bkudira: ah, i'm guessing the univ. has a firewall
[04:42] <dragonfly7> Rather off-topic: What is the best RSS feed reader for Windows?
[04:42] <Dr_willis> dragonfly7,  firefox has some extensions for that i think. Heh.
[04:42] <mandarin> bkudira: is your friend outside the univ?
[04:43] <bkudria> mandarin: i have a server i maintain outside the uni, yes
[04:43] <Jucato> Google Reader :P
[04:43] <bkudria> mandarin: but i'd prefer not to tunnel through it, since it's a production server hosting lots of sites
[04:43] <dragonfly7> I was looking for something standalone, like Agregator.
[04:44] <Jucato> Thunderbird, Firefox, Opera.
[04:44] <mandarin> bkudria: yeah I wouldn't go through that way
[04:44] <dragonfly7> I thought Thunderbird was just a mail thing.
[04:45] <Jucato> it can do RSS to
[04:45] <mandarin> bkudira: the only thing I can think of is tunneling outside, other than that I'd have to do more research
[04:46] <dragonfly7> Hmm. I will look at it. Thanks.
[04:46] <mandarin> whois bkudria
[04:46] <mandarin> hehe wrong command
[04:47] <flaccid> is there a program to test microphone?
[04:48] <bkudria> mandarin: you want /whois :)
[04:48] <bkudria> mandarin: but yeah, i'm stumped
[04:48] <kitsaros> flaccid  try audacity
[04:48] <mandarin> bkudria: yeah, i'm with you there, sorry :(
[04:49] <bkudria> mandarin: i'll ask some people
[04:49] <bkudria> mandarin: thanks for the help!
[04:49] <mandarin> bkudria: np, anytime, truthfully, networking has never really been my thing ;)
[04:49] <mandarin> bkudria: I'm sure there is someone here who might know more
[04:50] <flaccid> kitsaros: looking for a  program to test... hopefully something more lightweight
[04:50] <bkudria> mandarin: i'm supposed to be sort of an expert :), but i've never done vpns before
[04:51] <mandarin> bkudria: hehe, yeah this is my first time also
[04:51] <mandarin> bkudria: I'm more of a code and hardware guy
[04:51] <kitsaros> thats ok
[04:51] <kitsaros> hehe
[04:51] <panda> hey... i just installed kubuntu... im trying to install gaim 2.0b5, how would i do that?  program updates only installed 1.5...
[04:52] <mandarin> panda: in the menu try add remove programs
[04:52] <panda> it only install 1.5... i need to compile the source, i think?
[04:54] <brad_> Anyone know why VMware server for linux wouldn't run after installing?
[04:54] <brad_> It installed fine but when I click the icon to start the server console it spends 30 seconds launching and then exits
[04:54] <mandarin> brad_: any error output?
[04:54] <brad_> nope
[04:54] <pdxsam> try running vmware from a console
[04:54] <brad_> I'll do that
[04:55] <pdxsam> you might have to run vmware-configure.pl again
[04:55] <brad_> 
[04:55] <brad_> /usr/bin/ldd: line 171: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: No such file or directory
[04:55] <brad_> ldd: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 exited with unknown exit code (127)
[04:55] <brad_> /usr/lib/vmware/lib/wrapper-gtk24.sh: 316: /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware: not found
[04:55] <brad_> /usr/bin/ldd: line 171: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: No such file or directory
[04:55] <brad_> ldd: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 exited with unknown exit code (127)
[04:55] <mandarin> brad_: that should show some output
[04:55] <brad_> /usr/lib/vmware/lib/wrapper-gtk24.sh: 370: /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware: not found
[04:55] <Jucato> !pastebin | brad_
[04:55] <ubotu> brad_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:55] <zerozero> My machine died due to a hear related failure (a fan stopped) and now that I have that fixed I'm trying to boot and there is a problem that the OS/bootloader can't find hda5.  It has dropped me to a shall, what do I do?  I am on dapper 2.6.15.27
[04:55] <pdxsam> Brad   rerun the installer and watch for errors.
[04:56] <brad_> there weren't any errors
[04:56] <brad_> I ran the thing like five times
[04:56] <panda> how do i download and install the latest gaim (2.0beta5) on this sweet loving machine
[04:56] <pdxsam> were there any errors running sudo vmware-config.pl?
[04:56] <brad_> the one thing I can think of was that it was looking for init.d scripts, which I understand the latest version of Kubuntu no longer uses?
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> zerozero: what did you change? hd/mb?
[04:56] <brad_> pdxsam, nope
[04:57] <zerozero> LeeJunFan: I have the machine set up as dual boot, but I have not changed anything since or before the crash
[04:57] <zerozero> ooh you mean hardware, I changed the fan
[04:57] <pdxsam> Brad I've got vmware running on kubuntu...and it didn't bark about any init.d stuff
[04:57] <pdxsam> version 5 of vmware
[04:58] <LeeJunFan> zerozero: For some reason it cant find hda5, usually that's because the hd is on a different IDE channel.
[04:58] <zerozero> oooh i know what that is
[04:58] <zerozero> hang on
[04:58] <LeeJunFan> zerozero: did you move any HD cables maybe on the mainboard and have the drive plugged into the secondary IDE port?
[04:58] <zerozero> i unplugged the HD while I was testing screing wih it
[04:59] <zerozero> but wait a second, I can boot to wondoze just fine
[04:59] <brad_> pdxsam, i'm using vmware server
[04:59] <zerozero> would it matter if I plugged it in wrong?
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> zerozero: windows has a different method for detecting the boot drive. Actually edgy does as well, and edgy wouldn't have had this problem.
[05:00] <pdxsam> I've got vmware-server running on my kubuntu server  also it didn't bark
[05:00] <pdxsam> so I'm not sure what's happening with you
[05:00] <zerozero> i was going to upgrade to edgy last week :)
[05:00] <LeeJunFan> zerozero: yes, because if it's on the secondary port it's now hdc not hda
[05:00] <zerozero> lemme check that cable
[05:00] <brad_> pdxsam, ok... i have no clue
[05:01] <pdxsam> Brad,  try reading through this page http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?threadID=59112&tstart=0
[05:02] <brad_> k thanks
[05:02] <pdxsam> also try removing the libdbus package
[05:02] <pdxsam> libdub-1.2
[05:02] <pdxsam> err libdbus-1.2
[05:03] <|lostbyte|> how to run an execuatable and direct it its lib files ?
[05:06] <brad_> pdxsam, reinstalled got this error Unable to get the last modification timestamp of the destination file
[05:06] <brad_> /etc/vmware/ssl/rui.key.
[05:07] <zerozero> LeeJunFan: the cable is on and looks correct, but the problem is still there.  do I need to swap the cables between ide channel 1 and 2?
[05:08] <pdxsam> brad  try touching that file to update the time stamp and give it a run again
[05:08] <zerozero> help
[05:09] <fangarzz> any one happen to know of a tool that will allow me to fit my desktop within the confines of my monitor screen. tried changing resolutions and nothing helps, the desktop scrolls
[05:09] <fangarzz> running nvidia driver and dual monitors
[05:10] <pdxsam> Brad is this a 64 bit  or 32 bit kubuntu install
[05:11] <nyt> hello
[05:12] <brad_> pdxsam, 64 bit
[05:12] <nyt> :-o
[05:12] <nyt> wat?
[05:12] <BluesKaj> is ark the best way to decompress rar'd video files?
[05:13] <|lostbyte|> Is there anyway to display linkes in a page ?
[05:13] <coffeedood> rar works pretty good too  man rar will tell you the syntax you need to upack a file
[05:13] <|lostbyte|> other than lynx's dump. ?
[05:13] <BluesKaj> rar in linux ?
[05:14] <pdxsam> ok   do you have the ia32-libs installed?
[05:14] <coffeedood> yeah
[05:14] <coffeedood> apt-get install rar" should do it
[05:14] <nyt> i'm newbie
[05:14] <brad_> installing now
[05:15] <nyt> where to get drivers for monitor , ntc model
[05:15] <nyt> i can't adjust sa screensize
[05:16] <BluesKaj> wasn't aware there was *.rar for linux ...cool
[05:16] <fangarzz> system settings
[05:17] <nyt> then?
[05:17] <fangarzz> nyt: system settings>display&monitor>root
[05:17] <nyt> yeah
[05:17] <nyt> but
[05:17] <brad_> pdxsam, thanks a billion, it works
[05:17] <nyt> i log in as admin
[05:17] <nyt> or root
[05:18] <pdxsam> you're welcome
[05:18] <nyt> when i choose what screen size
[05:18] <Carbon_Monoxide> hello
[05:18] <nyt> it didn't effect
[05:18] <fangarzz> did you try restarting x?
[05:18] <nyt> yup
[05:19] <nyt> i restart 3 times
[05:19] <fangarzz> what driver?
[05:19] <Carbon_Monoxide> Is CUPS open to public if I use direct internet connection?
[05:19] <nyt> driver for ntc monitor
[05:19] <nyt> i choose generic
[05:19] <fangarzz> what video card driver?
[05:20] <nyt> i can't find the manufacturer in list
[05:20] <nyt> so i choose the generic
[05:20] <fangarzz> what chipset?
[05:20] <fangarzz> nvidia? ati? sis? intel?
[05:20] <nyt> chipset :( i have no idea about that:(
[05:20] <zerozero> LeeJunFan: thanks for the help, you got me started on the right path
[05:20] <ttttttt> You all have won $10,000 dollars email rickyfan34@hotmail.com.au with your details to claim it now, Good Luck.
[05:20] <robotgeek> ttttttt: please don't spam
[05:20] <ttttttt> snt spam. mr geek.
[05:21] <ttttttt> im telling the truth
[05:21] <robotgeek> lol
[05:21] <nyt> another things is how to install flash player?
[05:21] <fangarzz> you use adept or apt
[05:21] <nyt> @ fangarz wait i'll check
[05:21] <robotgeek> !flash
[05:21] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:21] <Hawkwind> !flash9 | nyt
[05:21] <ubotu> nyt: Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)  -  Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[05:22] <Shiny> it's prob in easy ubuntu
[05:22] <Hawkwind> No need for easy ubuntu, the info is right above
[05:22] <robotgeek> true that
[05:22] <daftvader> hi, i just lost access to my windows drive
[05:22] <Shiny> yeah, but it requires rtfm
[05:23] <daftvader> how can i mount it again?
[05:23] <robotgeek> i dont think it works on edgy yet, anyways
[05:23] <Hawkwind> Shiny: No it doesn't
[05:23] <nyt> select monitor :
[05:23] <nyt> generic :
[05:23] <Hawkwind> Add the source, apt-get install and you're done
[05:24] <nyt>  1024 x 768 @ 60 hz
[05:24] <Shiny> nifty
[05:24] <Hawkwind> Shiny: No flash is available for 64Bit yet
[05:25] <nyt> :(
[05:25] <Shiny> oh well.. no flashing adverts for me
[05:25] <draik> How do I use remote desktop with another computer? I want to remote into my friend's computer at his house from my desktop at my house
[05:25] <unix_infidel> draik: vnc
[05:25] <unix_infidel> i'd recommend vnc over ssh or tightvnc
[05:26] <fmeissner> Hey, does anyone here know how to simple remove songs from the collection in Amarok, instead of plain deleting them?
[05:26] <Shiny> fmeissner: move them somewhere else?
[05:26] <daftvader> anybody knows how to mount a windows partition?
[05:26] <daftvader> I tried but only root have access
[05:26] <Hawkwind> !windowspartitions | daftvader
[05:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about windowspartitions - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:27] <Hawkwind> !windowsdrives | daftvader
[05:27] <ubotu> daftvader: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[05:27] <nyt> how to automount floppy?
[05:27] <draik> unix_infidel: How do I use vnc?
[05:27] <Hawkwind> !vnc | draik
[05:27] <ubotu> draik: vnc is a way of doing remote desktop.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !freenx.
[05:27] <daftvader> ubotu: ubuntu did automount my winfs but for some odd reason, it just dissappeared when i restart X
[05:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu did automount my winfs but for some odd reason, it just dissappeared when i restart X - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:28] <daftvader> arggh
[05:28] <daftvader> bot
[05:28] <draik> unix_infidel: krfb and krdc was all I had in mind
[05:28] <nyt> how to automount floppy?
[05:28] <nyt> how to automount floppy?
[05:28] <nyt> how to automount floppy?
[05:28] <Hawkwind> nyt: Please stop
[05:28] <nyt> y?
[05:28] <Hawkwind> nyt: That is totally uncalled for and totally unnecessary
[05:29] <unix_infidel> draik: i dont prefer those protocols...so i'm not the one to ask.
[05:29] <Hawkwind> nyt: We saw the question the first time.  If/When someone knows they will help you
[05:29] <unix_infidel> follow that guide ubotu linked you to, it should help you get started.
[05:29] <nyt> oh ic
[05:29] <nyt> ok thanks
[05:29] <daftvader> Hawkwind, do you know why ubuntu suddenly unmount the winfs?
[05:29] <nyt> i'm new here
[05:29] <Hawkwind> daftvader: I don't touch anything Windows, sorry
[05:29] <draik> unix_infidel: That's fine. That's why I ask for ways to do it. Thank you. I will look into it. I got my friend to try out Kubuntu Edgy and I want to be able to remote in if I need to
[05:29] <unix_infidel> nyt: no, you are not new to freenode.
[05:30] <unix_infidel> draik: tightvnc is my personal recommendation then, that guide is pretty decent.
[05:30] <unix_infidel> daftvader: winFS doesnt exist.
[05:30] <Hawkwind> unix_infidel: He's talking about his Windows partitions
[05:30] <nyt> file system : /dev/fd0
[05:30] <draik> unix_infidel: Thank you. I will look into tightvnc then. Fairly easy to use?
[05:30] <nyt> mount point : /media/floppy
[05:31] <unix_infidel> draik: yes.  you should be up and at 'em within 15mins assuming no extraneous troubleshooting.
[05:31] <nyt> type : msdos
[05:31] <nyt> options : rw,user,noauto
[05:31] <unix_infidel> draik: also, PLEASE make sure you have ssh setup correctly.
[05:31] <draik> unix_infidel: PERFECT. That's what I would be looking for then.
[05:31] <unix_infidel> or we WILL hax0r your box0r
[05:31] <draik> unix_infidel: How do I make sure I do?
[05:32] <nyt> what will i write to make it automount
[05:32] <nyt> in floppy
[05:32] <nyt> options : rw,user,noauto    <<about this
[05:32] <unix_infidel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto
[05:33] <unix_infidel> draik: that should get you started.
[05:33] <unix_infidel> I recommend a passwordless login.
[05:33] <fangarzz> i use tightvnc at work
[05:33] <draik> 10-4
[05:33] <fangarzz> very easy
[05:34] <nyt_> :(
[05:34] <nyt_> brb
[05:34] <zerozero> LeeJunFan: it's working now, I had to swap the plug on the cable not on the motherboard and it's working fine
[05:34] <zerozero> thanks for the help
[05:36] <unix_infidel> daftvader: that's probably due to some KDE linked daemon that improperly reinitialized and didnt properly automount your partitions.
[05:36] <unix_infidel> daftvader: i'd recommend playing around with /etc/fstab and doing that the proper way, for the correct way to deal with windows partitions, look at the link ubotu gave you.
[05:37] <shiny> :-( kde doesn't like me today
[05:38] <shiny> my keyboard doesn't work in kde... work fine in all other windowmanagers
[05:39] <shiny> and then gdm goes blerk (black becomes white, red becomes green, blue becomes yellow)
[05:40] <daftvader> unix_infidel: thanx, i think you are correct. The kde daemon did screw up. It said something about dcop signal not found
[05:40] <daftvader> unix_infidel: after that I lost my windows partition
[05:41] <unix_infidel> daftvader: define "lost"
[05:41] <daftvader> unix_infidel: just reactivated using the link ubuto gave me.
[05:41] <daftvader> unix_infidel: lost as in cannot accessed. "umount"ed
[05:42] <daftvader> unix_infidel: happens when i just plugged my usb drive in
[05:44] <unix_infidel> daftvader: like i said earlier, i consider the proper way of handling disk mounting using /etc/fstab
[05:44] <daftvader> yes i know
[05:44] <daftvader> i just want to know how to fix the dcop signal thing
[05:44] <daftvader> hi
[05:49] <Nuked> Now, If I may pose a question... I am attempting to compile the latest gaim-encryption plugin, but am completely unsure as to what dependencies are needed to compile. Anyone know which packages I can use to compile this plugin?
[05:50] <Nuked> I know that its nspr
[05:50] <Nuked> and nss
[05:50] <Nuked> but which ubuntu packages would I install
[05:51] <unix_infidel> Nuked: for 2.0 beta5
[05:51] <unix_infidel> ?
[05:51] <Nuked> yessir
[05:51] <unix_infidel> Nuked: why dont you check some 3rd party repos before compiling plugins.
[05:52] <Nuked> is there a third party repo that has this plugin prebuilt?
[05:52] <Nuked> I mean I am comfortable compiling things
[05:53] <scorp007> how can i disable launch feedback?
[05:53] <unix_infidel> compiling things doesnt make you more of a man.  i'm not sure about gaim 2.0 repos, but i'm almost positive they are out there.
[05:53] <Nuked> thanks for that, and I never stated in any way shape or form, that that was the case at all.
[05:53] <Nuked> I just prefer to build things
[05:53] <Nuked> and I have compiled beta 5 myself
[05:54] <unix_infidel> cool.
[05:54] <unix_infidel> hold on, lemme see if i can find a 3rd party repo
[05:54] <unix_infidel> edgy?
[05:54] <Nuked> yessir
[05:54] <fiyawerx> anyone have issues where your dns just seems to stop working for a few minutes at a time? only seems to happen when im on the kubuntu side of my dual boot
[05:54] <fiyawerx> and im using another isp's dns server for my secondary
[05:55] <fiyawerx> i dont get dc'd from anything either
[05:55] <fiyawerx> it just wont look up new hosts
[05:55] <unix_infidel> Nuked: i cant find anything reputable with a quick google.] 
[05:56] <Nuked> I didnt think so LOL
[05:57] <Nuked> however, perhaps you may yet be of service
[05:57] <unix_infidel> Nuked: its not that they arent out there, i'm sure they are.
[05:58] <Nuked> unix_infidel: apparently In order to install libnss3-dev, It also needs
[05:58] <Nuked> libnspr4-dev
[05:59] <Nuked> however, to my dismay
[05:59] <cwcsc> somebody help !! How can using usbfisk -> can't create folder& file
[05:59] <Nuked> unix_infidel: it asks to remove a large  group of files such as:  bug-buddy contact-lookup-applet deskbar-applet ekiga evolution
[05:59] <dennister> g' evening all
[06:00] <Nuked> cwcsc: perhaps you botched the permissions
[06:00] <cwcsc> hmmm...
[06:00] <unix_infidel> Nuked: yea, that's what happens when you try to circumvent the package manager.
[06:01] <Nuked> package-manager=fail
[06:01] <Nuked> thats why
[06:01] <Nuked> at least in this case
[06:01] <dennister> Q: how come the glibc development libraries aren't in the repos? or are they, and I just don't know where to look?
[06:01] <fiyawerx> anyone have any suggestions re: the dns issue?
[06:01] <dennister> and yes, i did a search in synaptic, and have all the repositories enabled
[06:03] <Elrick_> looking around the net, I noticed a few different opinions. What is the outlook here for running a 32bit os, on a ia64bit processor? Is it worth the multimedia headaches to run it 64 bit, or just install 32bit os and wait a while for improvements?
[06:04] <unix_infidel> Elrick_: that begs the question, do you have more than 4GB RAM?
[06:04] <Elrick_> what is the down side of running 32 bit os's on a 64 bit platform?
[06:04] <Elrick_> unix: no
[06:04] <Elrick_> only 2
[06:04] <word> Elrick_: not getting the most out of your system is as far as my knowledge on the subject goes
[06:04] <unix_infidel> Elrick_: 1) try nick completion, for example, type the first part of my nick unix[then press tab] 
[06:05] <Elrick_> unix_infidel: cool :)
[06:05] <unix_infidel> 2) at the expense of asking you to blindly follow my advice, you will gain no significant advantage from using a kernel that facilitates a 64bit instruction set
[06:05] <unix_infidel> or rather, a complete OS that is customized for 64bit.
[06:06] <dennister> Elrick_: i have to second unix_infidel's advice; i wasted months struggling with 64-bit os's
[06:06] <Elrick_> unix_infidel: so basically, running the 32bit will just be easier than recompiling all of my apps to get multimedia support?
[06:06] <Elrick_> dennister: you finally gave up?
[06:06] <dennister> yessiree, and am much happier with 32-bit
[06:07] <unix_infidel> giving up is easier than dealing with a non NT desktop trying to accomodate a 64bit instruction set.
[06:07] <Elrick_> dennister: did you notice any change in speed?
[06:07] <Carbon_Monoxide> Hello! Is that a bug that dapper will load up hpssd even you don't have any HP stuff?
[06:07] <dennister> not really...just a hell of a lot easier time getting things like java working
[06:07] <unix_infidel> Carbon_Monoxide: sudo apt-get install sysv-rc-conf
[06:07] <dennister> i love my 32-bit edgy installation
[06:08] <unix_infidel> scroll down until you see hplip and disable it at all runlevels unless you KNOW you need that daemon to start up.
[06:08] <Elrick_> nk, I seem to have a crashing firefox on so many pages that I try to access
[06:08] <dennister> i've even got the ivtv drivers i needed for my tuner and mythtv working
[06:08] <Carbon_Monoxide> unix_infidel: thanks! but what does sysv-rc-conf do?
[06:08] <dennister> and i managed the lirc today...yipee!
[06:08] <unix_infidel> Carbon_Monoxide: what distro are you coming from?
[06:08] <unix_infidel> or is this your first linux experience?
[06:09] <Carbon_Monoxide> unix_infidel: I'm on Dapper
[06:09] <dennister> (or at least i think so...) i'm now trying to install mplayer from source
[06:09] <Elrick_> oh, I hated learning linux years ago. I remember running back to MS thinking it was the best thing.
[06:09] <unix_infidel> Carbon_Monoxide: nono, i mean which distro did you try before (FYI, im' not asking to make small talk)
[06:09] <Elrick_> funny how things change
[06:09] <Elrick_> I cannot use windows any longer
[06:09] <unix_infidel> Elrick_: I've used linux for 2 years now, and I've gone back to windows.
[06:09] <unix_infidel> I dont see your point.
[06:09] <dennister> which is why i need the glibc development libraries...but they don't *seem* to be in the repos? anyone?
[06:10] <dennister> am I not looking in the right places?
[06:10] <Elrick_> unix_infidel: I find that other than driver issues, windows is so confining
[06:10] <dennister> <-------not a programmer
[06:10] <unix_infidel> Elrick_: adjectives without reason are just words.
[06:11] <robotgeek> dennister: what are you trying to compile?
[06:11] <Carbon_Monoxide> Carbon_Monoxide: I've been using RH: FC3 & 4. And Debain, but not long with that
[06:11] <Carbon_Monoxide> unix_infidel: oops! I've been using RH: FC3 & 4. And Debain, but not long with that
[06:11] <dennister> robotgeek: mplayer, so it can use some of the unusal drivers
[06:11] <dennister> and codecs
[06:11] <unix_infidel> Carbon_Monoxide: well, sysv-rc-conf is just a curses front end to the sysv init system that all of those employ.
[06:12] <unix_infidel> it just handles what starts up basically.
[06:12] <robotgeek> dennister: you dont really need to compile player. you can use kmplayer, i think
[06:12] <Carbon_Monoxide> unix_infidel: it seems to be a large package
[06:12] <robotgeek> dennister: its in universe, have you enabled?
[06:12] <dennister> robotgeek: i've tried downloading all of the mplayer stuff from repos, but don't think i can get them working with my hardware
[06:12] <dennister> yes, i've enabled
[06:13] <unix_infidel> dennister: you dont need to compile mplayer to use specific formats.
[06:13] <Carbon_Monoxide> unix_infidel: but it kinda like the startup manager in RH
[06:13] <robotgeek> dennister: is this for tv in?
[06:13] <robotgeek> dennister: btw, tv time worked great for me!
[06:13] <dennister> this is for my tuner, yes, but i only have a monitor, so don't need tv-out
[06:13] <robotgeek> thanks for the suggestion!
[06:13] <unix_infidel> Carbon_Monoxide: exactly. I like sysv-rc-conf better personally.  Even though, RH did some really good work making admin tools like 2k3 SBS
[06:13] <dennister> tvtime doesn't work with ivtv drivers
[06:14] <Carbon_Monoxide> ahhh!! I can see runlevel 2, 3, 4, & 5 are the same!
[06:14] <dennister> nor do any of the other stand-alone tvapps...believe me, i've tried
[06:14] <dennister> so it's myth, which uses mplayer, and i've almost got mythtv perfect
[06:14] <robotgeek> dennister: i'll keep that in mind. i thought haupauge was the card to buy
[06:15] <dennister> the ffmpeg codecs i need for my tuner needs the experimental cvidix for my nvidia card
[06:15] <dennister> robotgeek: it is a great card...and very popular with mythtv users
[06:16] <robotgeek> dennister: the best way to get all the stuff is to "sudo apt-get build-dep ffmpeg-whatever"
[06:16] <Elrick_> well I am out of here. Thanks for the advice. I guess I will install a 32bit and see how it works here
[06:16] <Elrick_> have a good night
[06:16] <dennister> night Elrick_
[06:16] <Carbon_Monoxide> unix_infidel: runlevel 2, 3, 4, 5 are the same. LOL! Well~ this admin tool is cool. Nite and tidy.
[06:17] <unix_infidel> Carbon_Monoxide: no, they arent the same.
[06:17] <unix_infidel> but for your purposes, for this daemon, they are.
[06:17] <dennister> robotgeek: that will compile ffmpeg for my codecs and card? then do the same command for mplayer and it will compile it around ffmpeg?
[06:18] <robotgeek> dennister: that will get all the stuff you need for ffmpeg, as an example (it works for any package in the repository)
[06:18] <dennister> i havent used the apt-get build-dep b4
[06:18] <robotgeek> !compile | dennister
[06:18] <ubotu> dennister: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:18] <danny500> were would I be able to find a macintosh emulator for ubuntu?
[06:18] <Carbon_Monoxide> unix_infidel: so I have to disable hplip only on runlevel 2? since I figure that most of the time we login as runlevel 2 on Ubuntu.
[06:18] <unix_infidel> danny500: define "mac emulator"
[06:18] <robotgeek> danny500: are you on ppc or x86?
[06:18] <danny500> x86
[06:19] <unix_infidel> Carbon_Monoxide: if you dnot want to deal with it, then all runlevels.  its extraneous for the normal user as far as i can tell.
[06:19] <robotgeek> pear pc, maybe? not sure
[06:19] <danny500> I want to play the game Unreal for MacSoft but I don't have a mac
[06:19] <robotgeek> danny500: nope, forget it. wont work
[06:19] <unix_infidel> danny500: unreal tournament
[06:19] <danny500> really, why not?
[06:20] <danny500> yeah
[06:20] <unix_infidel> danny500: you can play that in Linux natively.
[06:20] <dennister> ok...was directed to a page b4 that didn't exist yet, but now the bot has helped
[06:20] <danny500> really? how do I do that?
[06:21] <danny500> Ubuntu can't even read the disc though
[06:21] <dennister> and i did attempt to do the ivtv drivers compilation from source back when i was still on dapper/64-bit
[06:21] <Carbon_Monoxide> unix_infidel: thanks for your advice! and my appreciation to you
[06:38] <ne78> Where can i find the ubuntu and kubuntu default choosen set of package (like a bare: dpkg --get-selections, just after install) because i dist-upgrade from debian etch and i don't want to miss some important stuff. How do switch from ubuntu to kubuntu (i suppose with --set-selections) or is there a meta package ?
[06:39] <ne78> mmh i see kubuntu-desktop is it that ?
[06:47] <dennister> robotgeek:
[06:49] <dennister> hi Skal
[06:53] <phoenix> can anyone help me with setting my kubuntu up to be completely in Japanese?
[06:55] <fiyawerx> !kopete
[06:55] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 6825 kB, installed size 18932 kB
[06:55] <fiyawerx> anyone have a problem with kopete not showing buddy lists? it loaded all my groups, but they're empty
[06:56] <dennister> sorry fiyawerx, i use amsn...to prove to my son that he can use it in linux :)
[06:57] <dennister> although i have noticed a few other pps strugglign with kopete here
[06:57] <fiyawerx> hmm
[06:57] <fiyawerx> guess i'll try gaim
[06:57] <dennister> you hate the idea of ms touching ur machine?
[06:57] <fiyawerx> not really
[06:58] <fiyawerx> was just tryin to get the default apps working hehe
[06:58] <dennister> each to their own preference, i hate msn; it's ironic that i won't use it under windows, but it's safer under linux
[06:59] <fiyawerx> ah, yeah i don't use msn messenger at all
[06:59] <dennister> i'm gonna try wine next, to see if i can't use endnote and word without xp
[06:59] <fiyawerx> just no use for it, between aim/yahoo i talk to everyone i need to
[06:59] <fiyawerx> why bother with word? you try openoffice?
[06:59] <campbch> hmm...
[07:00] <campbch> what are the files that determine what starts at startup?...
[07:00] <dennister> for collaboration purposes with the other researchers, i need word...and the front-end of endnote is a plug-in for word
[07:00] <campbch> e.g. it's init or something? where can i add programs to start on boot?
[07:00] <dennister> i develop bibliographic databases with endnote, the backend
[07:01] <dennister> campbch: yes, they're in init.d, but also other places
[07:01] <fiyawerx> campbch: I think you want /etc/init.d, and the README in there
[07:01] <dennister> like /etc/rc.local...
[07:01] <campbch> ok, thanks
[07:02] <scorp007> ok, i have installed php5 and mysql. For some reason my script fails to use the function mysql_connect().
[07:02] <scorp007> even though phpMyAdmin works just fine
[07:02] <scorp007> what could be the problem?
[07:02] <dennister> if i can migrate completely away from windows, i would be very happy, but most people need to keep it for things like collaboration with co-workers
[07:03] <fiyawerx> no clue personally, scorp007, think its kubuntu specific?
[07:03] <dennister> scorp007: i'm not sure, they jsut worked for me with very little trouble
[07:03] <scorp007> fiyawerx: it is because i used kubuntu packages.
[07:03] <scorp007> i didnt install it manually
[07:04] <dennister> i used the kubuntu packages from the repos
[07:04] <scorp007> as did i
[07:04] <scorp007> hmmm
[07:04] <dennister> i'm ready to chicken out with this compilation from source :(
[07:05] <cpk1> why do i get grep: Trailing backslash when trying to tab complete things?
[07:05] <campbch> ok, that shows scripts that are set to run, how do i run commands without making a script? e.g. on start, run <programname>
[07:05] <campbch> :(
[07:05] <scorp007> and there's no mysql section in the phpinfo() page...
[07:07] <fiyawerx> campbch: not sure what you mean, on startup? or just in general
[07:07] <fiyawerx> and does it need to be on system startup, or when you log in
[07:08] <campbch> well, i normally have to manually run beryl-manager, emerald-manager and kiba-dock on startup.
[07:08] <campbch> how do i do it when i log in?
[07:13] <campbch> and why is konqueror hiding my filesystem?
[07:16] <campbch> ??
[07:16] <campbch> no? :'(
[07:17] <ermak> is it possible to configure smth that in adobe reader  more lines will scroll with mouse wheel???
[07:24] <khirr> !repository
[07:24] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:31] <dsb> Hi, I am having trouble getting mysql-server installed. The synaptic details indicates a package failed to install
[07:33] <unix_infidel> dsb: why not just use apt-get.
[07:33] <unix_infidel> tha way you can specify which version, and also have access to more powerful DMBS like psql.
[07:34] <dsb> I've tried that also, but all methods have the same error
[07:34] <unix_infidel> apt-get will be more verbose, any errors?
[07:34] <unix_infidel> hello Hobbsee, web
[07:34] <unix_infidel> wb*
[07:35] <Hobbsee> hey unix_infidel
[07:36] <Jucato> gah....
[07:36] <dsb> Setting up mysql-server-5.0 (5.0.24a-9) ...
[07:36] <dsb>  * Stopping MySQL database server mysqld                                                                        [ ok ] 
[07:36] <dsb>  * Starting MySQL database server mysqld                                                                        [fail] 
[07:36] <dsb> invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed.
[07:36] <dsb> dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure):
[07:36] <dsb>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[07:36] <Jucato> !pastebin
[07:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:36] <dsb> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mysql-server:
[07:36] <dsb>  mysql-server depends on mysql-server-5.0; however:
[07:36] <dsb>   Package mysql-server-5.0 is not configured yet.
[07:37] <dsb> dpkg: error processing mysql-server (--configure):
[07:37] <dsb>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[07:37] <dsb> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:37] <dsb>  mysql-server-5.0
[07:37] <dsb>  mysql-server
[07:37] <dsb> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:37] <Jucato> my !pastebin call got mixed in with his flood
[07:38] <me__> when i move windows around in kubuntu it seems a little jumpy around the borders, why is that?
[07:38] <fangarzz> good question
[07:39] <me__> there are window trails behind my dragged window
[07:39] <Jucato> ah that
[07:39] <me__> as if its not getting refreshed fast enough or something
[07:40] <Jucato> that's probably the reason
[07:40] <me__> how do I fix that then?
[07:40] <me__> also, how do i control what programs are loaded at startup?
[07:41] <me__> my refresh rate is at 85 btw, its' not bad
[07:41] <Jucato> I don't know about the window problem. if you're too annoyed by it, do not display window contents while moving/resizing (in System Settings -> Window Behavior)
[07:42] <dsb> ok, sorry, I pastebinned my error about the mysql
[07:42] <me__> ah that's much better, ty
[07:42] <me__> i still don't know why it does it though
[07:43] <T3hWiz0rd> is there any word on when kde 3.5.6 will be released with bug correction for the kmenergy settings?
[07:43] <Jucato> as for startup programs. 2 ways: you can either leave them running when you logout. they will be run again when you login. or you can symlink the programs to ~/.kde/Autostart
[07:43] <ubuntu> hello
[07:43] <ubuntu> anyone here?
[07:44] <Jucato> no one. just us ghosts
[07:44] <ubuntu> can anyone help me get my webcam running with linux??
[07:44] <me__> so if I quit amarok it won't startup automatically next time around?
[07:45] <Jucato> yep yep
[07:45] <me__> how long does it take to get used to all of these terms and commands and stuff?
[07:46] <me__> i usually use os x so this is different
[07:46] <Jucato> if you don't want to Restore from previous session, you have to manually link apps to the ~/.kde/Autostart folder
[07:46] <ubuntu> how do i get my logitech webcam to work with linux???
[07:46] <ubuntu> help plzzzz
[07:46] <Jucato> !webcam
[07:46] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[07:46] <me__> how would i know i have to manually link apps w/out you?
[07:47] <Jucato> ubuntu:  try those ^^^^^^
[07:47] <Jucato> me__: depends on how much time you put into it, and how willing you are to learn
[07:47] <dsb> any idea whats going wrong with mysql-server installation?
[07:47] <ubuntu> shit, my cam is not on the list
[07:47] <me__> Jucato, have you tried os x? why is linux > os x?
[07:47] <ubuntu> mine is logitech qc chat
[07:47] <Jucato> who said so?
[07:47] <Jucato> ubuntu: you can try and experiment. it might work
[07:49] <ubuntu> does that "EasyCam" software automatically install spca5xx drivers?
[07:54] <dsb> I am having trouble installing mysql-server. I've tried a couple installation methods, synaptic and apt-get, but I get the same error.
[07:54] <sm> Witam wszystkich
[07:56] <banan_> hello
[07:56] <dsb> I have my error results in pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31850/
[07:59] <me__> i partitioned my hard drive into 3 spaces, and installed my kubuntu install onto one as /, and i set the other hard drive to /home, however I see that my /home is on my kubuntu install location
[08:00] <dennister> dsb: try sudo apt-get install -f
[08:00] <dennister> see if that resolves the errors
[08:01] <dennister> hi xsacha :)
[08:01] <dennister> me_: what about the swap parition? is the 3rd one you mentioned devoted to swap?
[08:02] <dsb> dennister: that did not resolve the error
[08:03] <dennister> dsb: k, try: sudo dpkg install -f
[08:03] <dennister> <---is trying to remember correctly
[08:04] <dsb> need an action option?
[08:05] <dennister> is konsole telling you that? if not, that should fix anything broken
[08:05] <me__> dennister, no i don't see my swap partition listed. is my /home directory the main OS install location?
[08:06] <dennister> me_: no, the / partition is the main OS install location, but the swap partition is like a windows pagefile
[08:06] <restwix> HEllo, how do I install the JRE for mozilla? does it have an apt-get JRE (java runtime enviroment) ?
[08:07] <dsb> I tried sudo dpkg install -f, but it said dpkg: need an action option
[08:07] <Jucato> sun-java5-jre (make sure multiverse is enabled)
[08:07] <kosta> I just installed nautilus to test something and my entire desktop is messed up, including icons and background. how can I fix this?
[08:08] <dennister> u don't usually see it listed unless you go to system settings -->advanced--->fdisks and fiesystems
[08:08] <restwix> ok I will try that
[08:08] <dennister> jucato: what's the cli for dsb to fix the mysql-server install?
[08:09] <restwix> IT is saying that I have the newst version already...
[08:09] <restwix> but it's not working on firefox
[08:09] <Jucato> hm....
[08:09] <Jucato> sudo apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server ?? not really sure
[08:10] <me__> how do i see which partition contains / and /home
[08:10] <restwix> I will look on the sun website
[08:10] <Jucato> restwix: sun-java5-plugin
[08:11] <dennister> dsb: i'm sorry, we can't remember just yet, but we will
[08:11] <dennister> me_: did you get into the disks and filesystems section of kcontrol?
[08:11] <Jucato> restwix: also, did you check that you set the system to use the Sun Java version? (sudo update-alternatives --config java)
[08:11] <dsb> I tried the --reinstall, same error. So I take it that it is a problem encountered before?
[08:11] <dsb> possible bug?
[08:11] <Jucato> me__: "df" in Konsole
[08:12] <dennister> dsb...yes, but i'm still a noob...not a bug
[08:12] <restwix> Jucato: I think the sun-java5-plugin worked
[08:12] <restwix> Jucato: let me check
[08:12] <dennister> the more experienced pps have given me the cli a few times, but I can't remember what the final option is
[08:13] <dsb> I have two machines that I have tried it on, both with same error results on all methods I have tried
[08:13] <dennister> if you just hang around a bit, i'm sure we'll get more people in...it's very busy in here usually
[08:13] <Jucato> me__: even if you put /home on a different partition, the system will basically see /home still as a directory under / (root directory). that's the "magic" of Linux :P
[08:13] <dsb> Ok, thanks! I've tried searching in the forums, but I haven't been able to find a solution.
[08:14] <Jucato> try Google, too. you just might be lucky and find something relevant
[08:15] <me__> Jucato, I see that on my main file storage partition there is a folder that looks like a house with my user name, and beneath that is desktop and examples directories
[08:15] <restwix> Jucato: It didn't work, it  installed but It didn't work on firefox..
[08:15] <me__> i also see the same directories under my user name directory under my /home directory on my main partition
[08:15] <dennister> restwix: r u on a 74-bit system?
[08:15] <Jucato> restwix: you did the "sudo update-alternatives --config java" command already?
[08:15] <dennister> *64
[08:16] <me__> so the question is: how come there is a duplicate of my /home directory in my file storage partition?
[08:16] <Jucato> me__: main file storage partition?
[08:16] <restwix> Jucato: yes... it gave me two options
[08:16] <dennister> me_: i wouldn't worry about these things, really
[08:16] <Jucato> restwix: what does Firefox's about:plugins say?
[08:16] <dennister> i have my /home partition separate from root, too, but jucato is right
[08:17] <restwix> Jucato: It says that its not available, and gives the option to manual install
[08:18] <me__> i have one partition with /, and i have another huge partition
[08:18] <me__> on my / partition is /home/username
[08:18] <me__> on my other partition there is a /username directory as well
[08:18] <restwix> Jucato: I will try to see from the mozilla website
[08:18] <me__> i am curious why this is so
[08:19] <Jucato> me__: the /home/username is the same /username that you find on your other partition
[08:20] <Jucato> Linux sort of "connects" that partition into the main filesystem. so that when you access /home/username, you are actually accessing it on the separate partition
[08:20] <me__> Jucato, how come these two partitions are linked then? what is the difference between the two? why are there duplicates made on each partition?
[08:20] <Jucato> they are not duplicates (unless I'm totally misunderstanding your situation)
[08:20] <me__> they are the same directories, how are they not?
[08:21] <me__> one /username is under hde2, and another /home/username is under hde2, hde2 is also my / partition
[08:22] <me__> under both /username's are the same files under desktop
[08:22] <me__> it seems to me it's making duplicates
[08:22] <Jucato> me__: can you pastebin the output of df ?
[08:22] <me__> sure
[08:22] <Jucato> !pastebin | me__
[08:22] <ubotu> me__: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:22] <notech> might be symlinked
[08:23] <me__> /dev/hde2              7083968   2815148   3908964  42% /
[08:23] <me__> varrun                  517836       104    517732   1% /var/run
[08:23] <me__> varlock                 517836         0    517836   0% /var/lock
[08:23] <me__> procbususb               10240        96     10144   1% /proc/bus/usb
[08:23] <me__> udev                     10240        96     10144   1% /dev
[08:23] <me__> devshm                  517836         0    517836   0% /dev/shm
[08:23] <me__> lrm                     517836     17580    500256   4% /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/volatile
[08:23] <me__> /dev/hde4            151827524    173056 143942064   1% /home
[08:23] <Jucato> me__: I said "pastebin"!!
[08:23] <me__> woops, sorry
[08:23] <kraut> moin
[08:23] <me__> i saw that after i pasted, my apologies
[08:23] <me__> so does that mean my /home is actually on hde4?
[08:24] <Jucato> me__: yes
[08:24] <me__> so the home directory I see on my / partition is actually the /home from hde4
[08:24] <Jucato> yes
[08:24] <Jucato> which is what I've been trying to say... although not very well
[08:24] <me__> i see, /home is playing games with me
[08:25] <me__> so all of my system settings and saved files go under /home?
[08:25] <MistaED> me__: probably /username is just a symbolic link to /home/username
[08:25] <Jucato> system settings that you (a normal user) makes
[08:25] <me__> ok
[08:25] <me__> and saved files?
[08:25] <Jucato> MistaED: nope. it's just mounting
[08:26] <Jucato> me__: yes. because you don't have permissions to anything outside of /home/username
[08:26] <me__> i made a text document called test to see how i could access it, and in addition to a saved text document i also got another document titled test~, what is the second thing?
[08:26] <Jucato> you don't even have access to other user's /home unless you make some changes
[08:26] <Jucato> a backup
[08:27] <me__> are there always backups in the same directory as the original file?
[08:27] <Jucato> when you save a document (for a second time usually), the old version is saved as file~.
[08:27] <Jucato> yes
[08:27] <dennister> jucato: can u help me find the gtk development libraries?
[08:27] <me__> ok
[08:27] <me__> thanks for all of the help and taking time to explain things to me
[08:27] <me__> i'm beginning to enjoy ubuntu the more i understand
[08:27] <me__> well, kubuntu
[08:28] <Jucato> me__: Kubuntu comes with a desktop guide in the Help center. it has some very simple introductory material
[08:28] <me__> Jucato, yes i'm looking over it right now, thanks again
[08:30] <me__> oh, how was this symlink created without me attempting to symlink anything?
[08:30] <Jucato> it's not symlinking. it's mounting
[08:31] <Jucato> another Linux concept
[08:31] <me__> what's the difference between the two?
[08:37] <me__> does the /home partition need to be bootable?
[08:38] <dennister> me_: no
[08:38] <dennister> just the / partition (root)
[08:38] <dennister> orr actually, it might not need to be either
[08:39] <dennister> it's usually marked that way by default
[08:40] <Jucato>  / needs to be bootable IF /boot isn't on a separate partition
[08:40] <Jucato> that's afaik
[08:42] <me__> how do i check the absolute path of a user directory?
[08:42] <firebird619> I am trying to get Beryl to start with KDE. I added a script to ~/.kde/Autostart and made it executable. I put #!/bin/sh and on the next line I put beryl-manager. What else do I need to type?
[08:49] <chx> i have [17179579.620000]  eth0: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 01043:80a7 bound to 0000:00:05.0 in dmesg and yet ifup eth0 says SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
[09:01] <Jucato> wb netsplitters lol
[09:01] <dennister> my goodness...that was quite the lag-catchup
[09:01] <Jucato> net split actually...
[09:02] <dennister> what does that mean?
[09:02] <Jucato> the network was split/disconnected
[09:02] <Jucato> and then was reconnected (net burst)
[09:02] <dennister> on the irc server channel? or my end?
[09:02] <Jucato> freenode server
[09:03] <dennister> ok, and here i thought i was timing out again
[09:03] <Dark_Vampire> dammed :D
[09:03] <dennister> hi Dark_Vampire
[09:04] <chx> I have googled tons and i still can't figure out why my NIC is not working :( it's in lspci , the forcedeth module is loaded.
[09:04] <Dark_Vampire> you heard about that?
[09:04] <Dark_Vampire> they are on those robots...
[09:04] <Dark_Vampire> they want to make robots to protect pipelines and so on
[09:04] <Dark_Vampire> armed...
[09:04] <Dark_Vampire> sick world
[09:05] <dennister> Dark_Vampire: i'm having a problem following a howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo#
[09:05] <Dark_Vampire> i mean they would lie human life into hands of a AI
[09:06] <dennister> i'm trying to get the missing devel libraries, GTK-2, and don't know where to go in synaptic or adept
[09:06] <Jucato> dennister: which part?
[09:06] <Jucato> dennister: tried searching in Adept?
[09:07] <dennister> jucato: step 3...i did the ./configure step, and it's telling me an error that I need these GTK-2 development libraries
[09:07] <Jucato> what are you trying to compile btw?
[09:07] <dennister> yes jucato, and have been downloading, but nothing seems to work
[09:07] <dennister> mplayer
[09:07] <iborg> anyone has tried vcd in kubuntu?
[09:08] <Jucato> the ones from the repos don't work dennister?
[09:08] <dennister> not me iborg
[09:08] <notech> Dark_Vampire: anyone near the pipelines is up to no good anyway
[09:08] <dennister> not quite Jucato, they don't have the cvidix stuff i need for my video card
[09:08] <iborg> kaffeine played a vcd 4 a few secnds and then quitted autmatclly
[09:09] <iborg> why so?
[09:09] <dennister> the source files from mplayer do have the stuff i need
[09:09] <Jucato> dennister: you might want to ask in #ubuntu, they might know better where to find the gtk devel  stuff
[09:09] <dennister> ok...i'll try there...thx
[09:09] <iborg> but kaffeine plays dvds excellently
[09:09] <iborg> plz ans me
[09:10] <notech> iborg: run it from command line and see if it shows an error
[09:12] <snpz_> !nvidia
[09:12] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:13] <snpz_> can anybody tell me what script does this thing?
[09:14] <snpz_> we are interested to use something like this in local community irc chanel
[09:16] <fiyawerx> !ubotu
[09:16] <snpz_> fiyawerx, do u have any info?
[09:18] <fiyawerx> looking, snpz_
[09:18] <fiyawerx> snpz_: http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/
[09:18] <iborg> o
[09:18] <iborg> ok
[09:19] <snpz_> fiyawerx, thnx
[09:19] <snpz_> :)
[09:21] <fiyawerx> np
[09:30] <Jucato> must a user be a member of a certain group to be able to print?
[09:38] <teledyn__> Jucato: there's group lpadmin but i'm not sure if that's only for printer admin
[09:38] <Jucato> teledyn__: thanks anyway. I should really bang my head on the wall
[09:38] <Electrolyte> Has anyone got the repository to install Beryl for Kubuntu Edgy? I got my 7800 GTX this morning and it's working perfectly :)
[09:39] <teledyn__> Jucato: but I think normally you don't need to be in a special group to print
[09:39] <godvirus> Q: How do I find what file a particular system file belongs to?
[09:39] <Electrolyte> So I want to see if AIGLX is any better than GLX ^^
[09:39] <Jucato> teledyn__: I installed a printer (as root), but I can't see it as a normal user. the solution was right under my nose... and so simple that I hate myself...
[09:39] <Electrolyte> XGl*
[09:39] <godvirus> Sorry.. I mean: How do I find what package a particular system file belongs to?
[09:40] <teledyn__> Jucato: i don't know, i always install via http://localhost:631 using root
[09:40] <Jucato> godvirus: go to Konqueror, type in "apt:/" in the location field, then type the file in the File Search field
[09:40] <Jucato> teledyn__: yeah. the regular user (in System Settings) was set to use Generic UNIX LPD Print System....
[09:40] <godvirus> jucato: Awesome!! Thanks!
[09:40] <Jucato> changed it to use CUPS, and I see my printer now...
[09:40] <Jucato> teledyn__: how stupid can I get? :P
[09:41] <teledyn__> Jucato: i don't know, only you can answer that  :-)
[09:41] <godvirus> jucato: Is there a way to do it on the command line?
[09:41] <nino> dennister whats up!!??
[09:42] <Jucato> godvirus: hm.. let me check
[09:43] <Jucato> godvirus: dpkg -S <file>
[09:43] <godvirus> Sweet!! Thank you!!
[09:43] <Jucato> but you need to know the exact location of the file
[09:43] <godvirus> doh
[09:43] <godvirus> Thats ok
[09:43] <godvirus> I got a start
[09:43] <godvirus> Thank you very much.
[09:44] <seishinbyou> "Can you use Kubuntu as a Gaiji server?" <- I don't know
[09:44] <Jucato> godvirus: you're just lucky I read about that exact command yesterday :P
[09:49] <Schalken> ive installed the latest nvidia drivers, setted up AIGLX and installed compiz from the repos. What do I need to do to start it?
[09:50] <seishinbyou> beryl-manager
[09:50] <Electrolyte> Well that failed for me.
[09:50] <Electrolyte> Only my mouse would move :/
[09:51] <Electrolyte> Nothing else would work.
[09:51] <Electrolyte> So it's not as simple as just doing beryl-manager.
[09:51] <seishinbyou> Was for me
[09:51] <seishinbyou> Did a diamond icon appear in the systray?
[09:51] <Schalken> seishinbyou: i'm not sure if it's compiz i.e. novell's, or beryl, but i'll try.
[09:51] <Electrolyte> No.
[09:52] <seishinbyou> Oh...
[09:52] <Electrolyte> Installed it but no icon appeared at all.
[09:52] <Schalken> seishinbyou: no it appears the compiz in the repos is in fact compiz and not beryl
[09:53] <Electrolyte> Even in http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/?
[09:53] <Electrolyte> That's the repo I used.
[09:53] <seishinbyou> Did you read this? http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/AiGLX#How-to_install_Beryl_with_AIGLX_on_Edgy_Eft
[09:53] <Schalken> i used the universe repo
[09:53] <Schalken> or multiverse, whichever one its in
[09:54] <Schalken> i wanna use compiz not beryl
[09:54] <Hoki_Workin> does 6.10 have a live CD version?
[09:54] <teledyn__> Hoki_Workin: the install CD is a live CD
[09:54] <Jucato> Hoki_Workin: yes
[09:54] <Electrolyte> seishinbyou: That's the exact page I used, and it failed.
[09:54] <Jucato> Desktop CD = Live CD with GUI installer
[09:54] <Hoki_Workin> ahh Thanks :)
[09:54] <Electrolyte> seishinbyou: Launching beryl-manager just locks my system up.
[09:55] <Electrolyte> And I also need to find out why my backgrounds are distorted when I start up Kubuntu :/
[09:55] <Electrolyte> Until I launch an SDL app :/
[09:55] <Schalken> but what about the compiz from the official repos?
[09:56] <Electrolyte> compiz is old.
[09:56] <Electrolyte> Beryl is the newer version IIRC.
[09:56] <Schalken> Electrolyte: compiz is more stable
[09:57] <Electrolyte> Yeah, but I can't even get beryl to work.
[09:57] <seishinbyou> Okay, I'm going to flee work right now; I'll try to be on in a couple hours when I finally get home if you are still having trouble
[09:57] <seishinbyou> 
[09:58] <Electrolyte> Doesn't anyone know why my wallpaper becomes distorted when I first startup Kubuntu? It's mostly greyscale shaders that turn into bright colours.
[09:58] <Electrolyte> If I launch an SDL app, like UT2004, it dissapears.
[09:58] <alexicon> anyone here know of any good streaming apis?
[09:58] <teledyn__> 
[09:58] <Schalken> alexicon: what do you mean 'streaming'?
[09:59] <Schalken> teledyn__: only english in this channel, please.
[09:59] <alexicon> to stream music from say my computer to your computer
[10:00] <Electrolyte> I might just do a fresh install actually.
[10:00] <Schalken> alexicon: that can be done with DVB in Kaffeine.
[10:00] <Schalken> (digital video broadcast)
[10:00] <Schalken> never used it though
[10:01] <alexicon> Schalken: sorry shoulda explained. ive got a project im doing, to write to combine some streaming protocol into a chat application
[10:02] <Schalken> alexicon: oh, over the internet? hmm not sure
[10:02] <cpk1> i'm having trouble using my cdrw =(
[10:03] <Schalken> alexicon: but over the internet it would probably have to go through some middle-man server
[10:03] <alexicon> not if you initiate a direct connection
[10:03] <Schalken> alexicon: that can be done? awesome.
[10:03] <alexicon> kinda like how aolim initiates its chat calls, 'do you want to connect to this user'
[10:04] <alexicon> or imagine something like shoutcast, but built into your chat application instead
[10:04] <Schalken> hmmm dont know then
[10:04] <alexicon> everything is possible
[10:04] <alexicon> heh
[10:04] <alexicon> the question is what the best way to go about it is :)
[10:05] <Schalken> :P
[10:06] <Schalken> anyway anyone know how to start compiz after installing it?
[10:15] <osiris> anyone know how to burn a DVD iso from cli ?
[10:18] <Schalken> where can I download cgwd (the compiz window decorator)?
[10:19] <Hoki_Workin> @ osiris http://www.debuntu.org/2006/06/03/61-how-to-burn-dvds-from-the-command-line
[10:22] <osiris> Hoki_Workin, that is close, but doesnt address ISO's
[10:22] <osiris> thx though
[10:23] <Electrolyte> Great, I need to get a new motherboard now.
[10:36] <Hoki_Workin> mkisofs -dvd-video -o dvd.iso dvd
[10:38] <JohnFlux> Riddell: you lost my adapter :P
[10:40] <Jucato> JohnFlux: you have your pic up in seele's blog :)
[10:40] <JohnFlux> Jucato: link? :)
[10:41] <Jucato> er.. let me look for it again...
[10:42] <Acker> Sup all, I have a question, when I try to access to Network Devices options, Edgy ask me for Admistrator privileges, so I scroll down and I made click on the button, and then appears a window asking me for a password, but I can't put anything, is like if the keyboard is disabled
[10:43] <Jucato> JohnFlux: http://weblog.obso1337.org/2006/kuds-summary/ you're that JohnFlux right? (I'd be embarrased if you weren't...)
[10:44] <Jucato> darn, I should have just posted the exact link to the pic... :(
[10:48] <JohnFlux> Jucato: I found the group photo
[10:48] <JohnFlux> Jucato: it is me, but it just says John and not JohnFlux
[10:48] <Jucato> yeah that one. :)
[10:49] <Jucato> JohnFlux: at least you didn't have an embarassing pic that Riddell would have included in his post :)
[10:51] <JohnFlux> Jucato: I can't believe people visited a strip joint
[10:51] <JohnFlux> and didn't tell me
[10:52] <Jucato> lol
[10:52] <Electrolyte> Bah, it appears the problems I've been getting with Linux are thanks to my motherboard :(
[10:52] <JohnFlux> http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/2006-11-11-uds/100_0752.JPG
[10:52] <Electrolyte> I live booted Ubuntu and Kubuntu to check that graphics glitch I had, and it's STILL there.
[10:52] <Electrolyte> So yeah, faulty nForce chipset :/
[10:52] <Jucato> yeah... jono looks scary.hehehe :)
[10:52] <JohnFlux> Electrolyte: which version of nvidia drivers?
[10:53] <Electrolyte> It's not the card.
[10:53] <Electrolyte> X850XT does the same thing.
[10:53] <octan> Electrolyte, nforce4 mobo ?
[10:53] <Jucato> Electrolyte: so all your problems earlier with KDE were due to the mobo after all?
[10:53] <Electrolyte> Must have - 3 different graphics cards and it's still the same.
[10:53] <Electrolyte> octan - MSI Neo4 Plantinum nForce 4 Ultra 400.
[10:53] <Electrolyte> Platinum*
[10:54] <Electrolyte> I've had problems with this board in Windows too, so now I need to dish out 100 for a new one :/
[10:54] <octan> ic.. dl the drivers to the mobo.. i had to doi that for my nforce 3 mobio
[10:54] <Electrolyte> Probably get an Asus SLi with passive cooling.
[10:54] <Electrolyte> octan - on Linux?
[10:54] <octan> yes
[10:54] <Electrolyte> What drivers...?
[10:55] <octan> for the nforce4 chipset
[10:55] <Electrolyte> nVidia actually released nForce4 Linux drivers?
[10:55] <octan> go check it
[10:55] <Electrolyte> Nope, they don't.
[10:55] <octan> i know there is for nforce3
[10:56] <Electrolyte> Windows only.
[10:56] <cpk1> k3b hangs trying to detect my cd-rw... any suggestions?
[10:56] <octan> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_amd64_1.0-0310.html
[10:56] <octan> ther
[10:56] <Electrolyte> Yeah, for nForce.
[10:57] <Electrolyte> Not nForce 4.
[10:57] <Electrolyte> Oh what the.
[10:57] <octan> Adds support for nForce 430/410 motherboards
[10:57] <Electrolyte> Why is their website so confusing?
[10:57] <Electrolyte> You check the list, it doesn't say anything.
[10:57] <Electrolyte> You find that page, it states it does.
[10:57] <Electrolyte> Reminds me of ATI.
[10:58] <octan> Electrolyte, it dosent hurt to try
[10:58] <Electrolyte> I'm downloading it to try it any way.
[10:58] <octan> it cant get any worse right
[10:58] <Electrolyte> But I bet Kubuntu already comes with it.
[10:58] <Electrolyte> 1kb/s - wtf.
[10:58] <octan> Electrolyte, i bet not
[10:59] <octan> cos of nvidia's license
[10:59] <Electrolyte> Why? non-free?
[10:59] <Electrolyte> Ah.
[10:59] <Electrolyte> Well, if the driver would actually download, it would be good :)
[10:59] <octan> lol
[11:03] <Electrolyte> octan: nVidia have such a bad website.
[11:03] <Electrolyte> 200 bytes per second.
[11:03] <octan> ZOMFG
[11:03] <octan> your kidding
[11:03] <Electrolyte> Nope.
[11:04] <Electrolyte> Keeps going up to 1kb/s then dropping to 200 bytes.
[11:04] <Electrolyte> What the
[11:04] <Electrolyte> I restart it, then 400kb/s.
[11:04] <Electrolyte> That doesn't make sense.
[11:05] <octan> lol
[11:05] <Electrolyte> Ok, there's no point in installing it.
[11:05] <Electrolyte> It's just the audio/network driver.
[11:05] <Electrolyte> I don't use the network driver nor audio.
[11:10] <Abce52> Hey all, I have a problem here, when I try to do some settings (like wassistan, adept manager or nwtwork config.) is asking me for root password, but I can't type on the window
[11:13] <JonJ> Are there any recommended pci-sata controllers for Kubuntu?
[11:22] <octan> Abce52, i guess you dont have a root acont
[11:23] <octan> Abce52, did you run thouse as sudo ?
[11:23] <kaatil> yo
[11:24] <octan> yo
[11:24] <kaatil> moo
[11:24] <octan> boo
[11:24] <kaatil> meow
[11:24] <octan> euw
[11:24] <kaatil> anyway... i am trying out kubuntu.. since i used ubuntu two months while back.
[11:24] <kaatil> one thing i like about kbe is...... it's font
[11:24] <octan> its the same.. but without gnome
[11:24] <Abce52> octan: well, Is working now, but the astekiks doesn't appear
[11:24] <kaatil> gnome's font are really annoying anyway
[11:25] <octan>  astekiks?
[11:25] <roberto> hola chavales
[11:25] <kaatil> like this '*' ?
[11:25] <octan> ah
[11:25] <kaatil> :)
[11:26] <octan> the little star
[11:26] <roberto> there are somebody who speaks spanish
[11:26] <octan> ja
[11:26] <octan> jes
[11:26] <octan> in kubuntu-es
[11:26] <snpz_> :)
[11:29] <xenium> hi
[11:30] <octan> hi
[11:30] <xenium> sombody who got problems with kopete / icq ? like me ? seems like my contacts ain't showing
[11:31] <octan> screw kopete
[11:31] <xenium> lol
[11:31] <octan> install amsn instead
[11:31] <xenium> ok
[11:31] <xenium> i liked gaim
[11:31] <xenium> but i like kde better then gnome
[11:31] <octan> me too
[11:31] <octan>  :)
[11:31] <xenium> so I want to use the included kopete ... seems to be buggy in new edgy
[11:32] <octan> xenium, if you just msn.. then install amsn
[11:32] <octan> its better than kopete on that..
[11:32] <roconnor> how can I change the keyboard combination that restarts the X server from the default <ctrl>-<alt>-<backspace>?
[11:32] <linopil> what is amsn ?
[11:32] <xenium> no its general ... not only msn ... its icq, yahoo, msn, aim and jabber
[11:32] <Jucato> !amsn | linopil
[11:32] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-2.1 (edgy), package size 2261 kB, installed size 7752 kB
[11:32] <linopil> ah then gaim ?
[11:33] <linopil> ty Jucato
[11:33] <xenium> linopil gaim is the gnome conterfei to kopete .. i want to be straight kde ... as much as possible ... i was working with kopete b4 ... but icq now stopped working
[11:34] <octan> xenium, try in #kopete
[11:34] <xenium> octan ... true thnx a lot
[11:35] <octan> np.. i cant help you more.. since i dont use or like kopete :P
[11:37] <xenium> its even on the topic of #kopete http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136566 ... there are fixed packages but still no fix in kubuntu
[11:37] <linopil> xenium, nowadays there is absolutely no problem to take the best of different environments
[11:37] <xenium> linopil I know that ... + i would not change gimp against krita ... @ least not yet
[11:37] <dennister> Laosboyme: i'm not registered yet, can't use pm
[11:38] <xenium> but I try to stay on kde as much as possible ... besides i think kopete is technical advanced .. needs a little bit tweaking in the UI thou
[11:39] <dennister> nope :( make still had an error 1 ...after all that
[11:39] <octan> what error
[11:40] <xenium> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/ for others having probs too
[11:40] <octan> bleh :P
[11:40] <dennister> mplayer.o: In function `mp_property_do': mplayer.c:(.text+0x2313): undefined reference to `m_property_do'
[11:40] <dennister> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [mplayer]  Error 1
[11:40] <dennister> that was at the tail end of an incredibly long process
[11:40] <xenium> wondering why kubuntu does not include the bug-fix in there repos ?
[11:41] <octan> dennister paste that to pastebin, and include 10-15 line above the actual error too
[11:41] <Jucato> be careful of unofficial repos, please.
[11:42] <dennister> jucato :)
[11:42] <dennister> !pastebin
[11:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:42] <xenium> jucato yes ... i know .. but if there is no fix for too long u look for a solution by yourself
[11:43] <scorp007> what packages do i need to make latex pdf and html?
[11:43] <Jucato> xenium: a lot of things have to be considered when patching packages. time is one of those, specially since the Ubuntu Developers Summit just finished, so people are just settling back in
[11:43] <Jucato> another thing to consider making sure the patch doesn't adversely affect other packages
[11:44] <xenium> jucato ;) good to hear
[11:44] <dennister> ok...i did some of the lines above what i gave in here, but they do go on for quite a lot of space : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31866/
[11:44] <xenium> lets see if the kdesvn bug gets fixed in next time .. pretty annoying one ... and INHO kdesvn is a pretty important piece of software
[11:44] <wilde> hello
[11:44] <wilde> is there anyone from poland ??
[11:45] <wilde> need help with hp 4000 laserjet
[11:45] <wilde> :(
[11:45] <octan> ok that looks lile bongus.. dennister do you get any warning longer up? and why are you building mplayer from source?
[11:46] <dennister> octan: because mplayer from repos wasn't giving me the things i needed
[11:46] <dennister> lots of warnings, too
[11:46] <octan> hu? not givving you what you need?
[11:47] <dennister> it could be my video card...it's a pcie nvidia 7800GT, and then there are the tuners
[11:47] <octan> what you mean? install mplayer.  then install codecs
[11:47] <octan> dennister, i got tuners too.. actualy 2 of tyhem
[11:47] <octan> pvr 500 :) 2 tv tuners
[11:47] <dennister> i'm getting the source files from hu....i tried the respos first...got too many errors when i tried to use my tuner
[11:48] <octan> how do you use you tuner?
[11:48] <octan> is it a pvr card?
[11:48] <octan> mplayer /dev/video0 & /dev/video1 works fine for me
[11:48] <dennister> i've got one hauppauge 250...and an ati pciex1 card i'm not even trying to configure for linux
[11:49] <octan> dennister, have you installed the ivtv tools for you card. pvr250 card
[11:49] <dennister> octan...i used those methods too, when i had mplayer from repos...but i got things like rtc error, and unsupported other errors
[11:50] <dennister> octan...yes, and i was able to get a live feed from mplayer, but not myth
[11:50] <octan> myth need a bit more setting up.. hehe,, i used 3 days setting up myth
[11:50] <dennister> but even when i did get the live feed from mplayer, there were error messages, and the mplayer documentation said i needed stuff like cvidix
[11:52] <octan> dude.. your suppose to get that error
[11:52] <octan> see here
[11:52] <octan> Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
[11:52] <octan> Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts.
[11:52] <octan> dosnt mattre if im root
[11:52] <octan> or do sudo
[11:52] <dennister> yes, and i did put that in startup sripts...still got nowhere
[11:53] <dennister> and with mythtv's internal tuner, i got no sound...sound was fine in mplayer after i got my cable box reset
[11:53] <wilde> cant install hp 4000 laser jet - error with fomatic+postscript
[11:53] <octan>  with mythtv's internal tuner,?
[11:54] <wilde> can anyone help ??
[11:54] <octan> myth dosent have any tuners..
[11:54] <dennister> sorry...with myth's livetv
[11:54] <octan> hmm.
[11:55] <dennister> i got live video with myth, but no sound, unlike in mplayer...it's those ffmpeg errors that really concerned me
[11:55] <octan> dennister, that pvr 250 does it have hardware encoding of mpeg2 ?
[11:55] <octan> or does it use software
[11:56] <octan> mine pvr500 uses hardware encoding
[11:56] <dennister> and enither kmplayer or a different app gxine, could work with the mplayer...pv4 350 has hardware encoding of mpeg2
[11:56] <dennister> it just doesn't have hardware decoding
[11:56] <dennister> but a pvr500 is just two cards, right?
[11:56] <dennister> are they based on the 350 or the 250?
[11:57] <octan> pvr500 has 2 tuners with hardware encoding of mpeg2
[11:57] <Jucato> xenium: good news for you. that site where you got the kopete-fix package is, more or less, reliable
[11:57] <dennister> i believe they might be 2x250 cards...like my one card
[11:57] <octan> i dont know what they are based on.. i just know it has hw encoding and 2 tuners
[11:58] <dennister> the pvr250 has hardware encoding, too
[11:58] <octan> ok.. prob 2x250 then
[11:58] <dennister> hold on for a sec
[11:58] <dennister> i don't want to let someone go who's so close to my own situation
[11:59] <xenium> Jucato I know it's kinda offical likened over the bug-ticket
[11:59] <octan> just curiouse.. did you install the firmware for the card alon with the drivers?
[12:00] <xenium> Jucato and it fixes the problem ;)
[12:00] <dennister> ok, did it again, without the second ./configure line for --enable-gui...still got the same error1
[12:00] <octan> dennister, amd64?
[12:00] <dennister> octan...yes i did...like i said, it gave good output...i386, edgy
[12:01] <xenium> only that kdesvn - bug remains to be annonying ... but there is a bug-ticket on launchpad already ...
[12:01] <dennister> edgy made the ivtv drivers and firmware compile perfectly with no errors...was a breeze
[12:01] <scion> hello all
[12:01] <octan> im on dapper
[12:01] <scion> anyone aware of a super nintendo emulator for kde?
[12:01] <dennister> and you had to compile the ivtv drivers from source, right?
[12:02] <octan> yes
[12:02] <xenium> did somebody mention already the not complete translation of kde in edgy ... its more a of a minor bug ... some context menu or lock - screen are in english rather then german ... guess it will appear on other localisations too
[12:02] <dennister> i didn't...was able to get my drivers and firmware from repos with edgy...had tried to do it with dapper, and failed miserably
[12:03] <dennister> but anyway...i'm totally exhausted...been up for almost 24 hours...time to sleep
[12:03] <dennister> it's 6 am here in toronto
[12:03] <octan> :)  iits 12 pm here in norway :)
[12:04] <scion> SNES emulator anyone??
[12:04] <dennister> heheheh...but I do believe i've got my lirc finally done :)
[12:04] <magicmike> I installed op sys on hard drive with single partition. Any way to repartition the drive without having to reinstall op sys?
[12:04] <dennister> thx for trying octan...perhaps another time we can try again if i'm still having problems
[12:04] <octan> sure
[12:05] <dennister> g'night then :)
[12:05] <octan> im here.. you know where to find me
[12:05] <octan> god noght
[12:05] <octan> *night
[12:05] <dennister> heheh...thought for a moment it was good night in ur language
[12:05] <dennister> g'nite
[12:19] <octan> anyone got a good filrewall for me.. i need one on my ubuntu-server.. and i dont want to build on up from scratch
[12:20] <octan> *firewall
[12:23] <nacer> octan: they re is only one iptables
[12:23] <nacer> iptables is  a frontend for netfilter
[12:24] <octan> nacer, i know of iptables.. i was more looking for a iptables file or a script
[12:24] <nacer> ok i dont know
[12:24] <octan> nacer, im feling lazy today
[12:43] <freewill> eclipse '\n' searching for compatible vm... '=n'  testing /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj...found '\n'kdialog: Unknown option '--warning'. '\n' kdialog: Use --help to get a list of available command line options.
[12:44] <freewill> i can't get eclipse to run...
[12:46] <octan> it dosent like you much.. you must have done something nasty to it :P
[12:46] <freewill> no, just installed the debs via adept
[12:47] <freewill> I am adicted to programing on jme ;0
[12:47] <riz_> join/ #Kubuntu_it
[12:49] <freewill> octan, you thing it might help if i download the http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.2.1-200609210945/eclipse-SDK-3.2.1-linux-gtk.tar.gz then i don't have to download a new pkg if i upgrade my kubntu
[12:49] <octan> yes.. that might help
[12:51] <flashnr> quit
[12:51] <octan> how does DMZ work.. demilitery zone or what ever its called.. and whats the point in it.
[12:51] <freewill> whats the protocal called again? it something like rync?
[12:51] <octan> freewill, edgy or dapper are you on?
[12:52] <freewill> octan, edgy
[12:52] <LeeJunFan> octan: it means any traffic directed at your routers IP will be forwarded to a computer inside your network, basically placing that computer directly on the internet.
[12:52] <octan> ic.. no wounder you get porblems :P
[12:53] <freewill> should i downgrade? because i love beryl ;)
[12:53] <took77> anybody here who has tryed to make MSI fx5200 work as dualhead?
[12:53] <took77> is detected as nvidia-chip...
[12:53] <octan> LeeJunFan, hu? care to explain more deeply? like. i have 4 nics on my server,, can i use 1 as dmz ?
[12:54] <octan> freewill, why did you upgrade from dapper to edgy in the first plase?
[12:54] <kitsaros> hi there ! i have this problem here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1760146#post1760146 can someone have some ideas ?
[12:55] <LeeJunFan> octan: yes. Say your routers internet IP is 12.2.2.1, and that server IP is 192.168.1.10, if you DMZ 192.168.1.10 then any traffic coming from the internet trying to connect to 12.2.2.1 will get forwarded to 192.168.1.10.
[12:55] <freewill> octan, isn't newer better?
[12:55] <riz_> italian?
[12:56] <octan> LeeJunFan so its a smart thing to do?
[12:56] <freewill> !rsync
[12:56] <octan> if you want to stay secure
[12:56] <ubotu> rsync: fast remote file copy program (like rcp). In component main, is standard. Version 2.6.8-2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 237 kB, installed size 472 kB
[12:56] <LeeJunFan> octan: if you want to run a server you can either forward individual ports, which would be more secure to only open what you need.
[12:57] <LeeJunFan> octan: but if you keep up with your updates and/or use a firewall on that machine it will be as safe.
[12:57] <octan> LeeJunFan, i just installed ubuntu-server. and now i need a firewall on it :\
[12:57] <freewill> octan, isn't newer better? Is edgy like still a beta or something? why not upgrade to it?
[12:58] <cpk1> alright has anyone gotten cdrecord to work who also has a sata drive?
[12:58] <LeeJunFan> octan: if you enable individual ports the router will still be your firewall, DMZ means everything goes to your server.
[12:58] <octan> freewill, its just that.. its still issues with edgy compared to dapper
[12:58] <octan> LeeJunFan, aha
[12:59] <riz_> what's the italian ubuntu-Kubuntu server plz^
[12:59] <octan> LeeJunFan, you dont by any chance got a iptables script for me :P
[01:00] <octan> i hate building one from scratch
[01:00] <Jucato> !it | riz_
[01:00] <ubotu> riz_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> octan: no, I do my iptables by hand for input/output rules. I only have a script that I wrote for routers/forwarding.
[01:01] <octan> LeeJunFan, how is this too? do you know. http://users.pandora.be/stes/ipmenu.html
[01:01] <octan> *tool
[01:02] <freewill> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rsync this is pritty cool why doesn't everyone host with rsync?
[01:02] <LeeJunFan> octan: never used a tool for it, but at a glance it looks pretty promising.
[01:02] <Schalken> whats the command to reconfigure X?
[01:03] <LeeJunFan> Schalken: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg
[01:03] <octan> or
[01:03] <octan> do dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[01:03] <LeeJunFan> Schalken: if you want more options/questions take out -pcritical.
[01:03] <Schalken> cheers!
[01:03] <octan> Schalken, look at the top of the xorg file
[01:03] <octan> it says howto
[01:05] <khirr> how can i install java?
[01:05] <Jucato> !java | khirr
[01:05] <ubotu> khirr: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[01:05] <octan> !jre
[01:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jre - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:05] <Schalken> !java
[01:05] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[01:07] <freewill> does any one know a rsync download for ubuntu?
[01:08] <LeeJunFan> freewill: you can't w/o downloading the entire tree, probably close to 100GB
[01:08] <octan> wget :P
[01:08] <LeeJunFan> freewill: if you want to make a local mirror of one distribution/arch use debmirror
[01:08] <LeeJunFan> one version that is.
[01:09] <Schalken> how do i find out if AIGLX works?
[01:10] <freewill> LeeJunFan does rsync split the file or why wil it be so big?
[01:11] <LeeJunFan> freewill: the way debian/ubuntu respositories are laid out every version hosted is mixed together in the same dirs, rsync would be grabbing, warty, hoary, breezy, dapper, edgy, feisty and all arches, i386, ia64, amd64, etc...
[01:12] <freewill> LeeJunFan, i mean the cd iso-s
[01:12] <LeeJunFan> freewill: you can tell debmirror to get just one version/arch, you are still looking at between 12-20GB for one.
[01:12] <LeeJunFan> freewill: oh, I don't know of any.
[01:14] <freewill> LeeJunFan, because my cd's md5 in not the same as the site and i can't redownload the whole thing and my eclipse is not working and its maybe because if my cd that currupt
[01:14] <Kabal> Guys is it possible do install Emerald without any 3d desktop>
[01:15] <Kabal> ?
[01:20] <LeeJunFan> freewill: you mean your CD doesn't match md5 or your iso image doesn't?
[01:21] <freewill> LeeJunFan, iso
[01:24] <Schalken> why do all the howtos say to get compiz from some foreign repo, whats wrong with the packages in universe?
[01:26] <octan> Schalken, why do you ask us that.. ask the people who made the howtos about that
[01:27] <Schalken> its just theres like a dozen howtos that say different things but none fit my specific situation...
[01:29] <octan> right. and they prob added the repo that wored for them
[01:30] <GnarusLeo> Hi, how do I make amarok transfeer the covers to my ipod as well as the song? I remember I had to compile some cover art thingy or something, but not the exact thing ... can anyone help me?
[01:31] <Bo> bonjour
[01:32] <cpk1> how do you turn off/on automounting?
[01:33] <oscar>  nvidia.....kubuntu +aiglx +bery?. or kubuntu +xgl + compiz? or kubuntu +xgl +beryl?
[01:34] <Bo> do you speak french?
[01:34] <Jucato> !fr
[01:34] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:34] <Bo> thanks
[01:43] <octan> uptime :)
[01:43] <octan>  13:42:18 up 27 days, 17:14,  4 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.04
[01:52] <[GuS] > Hello | Hola | Bonjour :P
[01:54] <intelikey> fire continues to shoot x meters into the sky from the gas well here.   i would have thought that in 36 hours they would have moved in equipment to extinguish it.
[01:55] <intelikey> hmmm and the electrical storm isn't going to suffer me to remain online ....   back when it calms down.
[02:08] <malkavian> hello, i have problem with adept, can someone help me?
[02:09] <Netziro> explain ur problem
[02:09] <Netziro> :)
[02:10] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: bah, they want to let it burn - good excuse to rais prices 10% based on .02% loss.
[02:10] <malkavian> i trying to download and isntall some packages (now i trying to install gcc 4.0) and adept cant download it because its size is wrong ;/
[02:10] <malkavian> sry for my english ;)
[02:10] <Netziro> strange thing..... try to close adept
[02:10] <Netziro> open console
[02:10] <Netziro> and write sudo apt-get update
[02:10] <livingdaylight> "could not start process pop3" ?? Can anyone help me see where i'm going wrong configuring Kmail?
[02:11] <Netziro> if it get some errors.. then use sudo apt-get -f install
[02:11] <Netziro> later u can to sudo apt-get update
[02:11] <Netziro> and use adept normally
[02:12] <livingdaylight> anyone know how to configure Kmail?
[02:12] <malkavian> wops, i know what is wrong... wrong settings on my repositories list, sry for problem :)
[02:12] <Netziro> livingdaylight:  sorry, i don't use kmail...
[02:12] <Netziro> thunderbird is better.. :)
[02:13] <Netziro> cool :)
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> kmail has some nice features, but thunderbird is more stable for sure, especially with imap, with kmail I constantly have to rm my index files for imap accounts.
[02:14] <livingdaylight> Thunderbird is not better than Kmail - be serious
[02:14] <livingdaylight> i need my Calendar
[02:14] <livingdaylight> does Thunderbird have Calendar?
[02:14] <livingdaylight> or is it just an email client?
[02:15] <Jucato> (kmail doesn't have a calendar either...)
[02:15] <LeeJunFan> livingdaylight: that's why I still use kmail and put up with my imap problems. :) kmail is more featureful by far.
[02:15] <LeeJunFan> well, kontact
[02:15] <livingdaylight> LeeJunFan, i don't use imap, having problems with pop3
[02:16] <livingdaylight> says:  "could not start process pop3" ?? Can anyone help me see where i'm going wrong configuring Kmail?
[02:16] <depi> hi all, how can I mount my remote FTP as my local drive?
[02:17] <depi> is there any command like mount_ftp in mac os?
[02:18] <Netziro> u can do from kde
[02:18] <livingdaylight>  says:  "could not start process pop3" ?? Can anyone help me see where i'm going wrong configuring Kmail?
[02:18] <livingdaylight>  says:  "could not start process pop3" ?? Can anyone help me see where i'm going wrong configuring Kmail?
[02:18] <livingdaylight>  says:  "could not start process pop3" ?? Can anyone help me see where i'm going wrong configuring Kmail?
[02:18] <Netziro> in status bar you have Start with K logo and the second icon who open 4 item... click on remote address
[02:19] <Netziro> and later u can do it using add network dir
[02:19] <depi> I need to work with it from editor, to edit fileso n ftp
[02:19] <livingdaylight> Please, do NOT make me reinstall Evolution, please!?
[02:19] <Netziro> or on konqueror
[02:19] <Bubba_Gump> livingdaylight: i hear thunderbird's a good app
[02:20] <Netziro> u can write on address bar ftp://ftp.address.com
[02:20] <livingdaylight> what is it with asking about a problem with one app and everyone suggesting a different application?
[02:20] <livingdaylight> Bubba_Gump, i need Kontact for Kalendar etc
[02:20] <Netziro> and it opens ftps withous problems.. and u can do mods and save files
[02:20] <Bubba_Gump> livingdaylight: you suggested an app, i suggested a better one :)
[02:21] <livingdaylight> Bubba_Gump, please shut up
[02:21] <Bubba_Gump> :)
[02:21] <livingdaylight> i'm not interested in a thunderbird /Kontact flamewar
[02:22] <livingdaylight> i just would like someone to tell me what this pop3 thing is i'm having a problem with
[02:22] <Bubba_Gump> livingdaylight: i would like kontact to work for me too
[02:22] <livingdaylight> Bubba_Gump, huh, have you had problems with it?
[02:22] <Bubba_Gump> livingdaylight: yup
[02:22] <Bubba_Gump> livingdaylight: pop3 (hotmaill)
[02:23] <livingdaylight> Bubba_Gump, i thought Kmail was a top-brass application
[02:23] <Bubba_Gump> it is
[02:23] <livingdaylight> Bubba_Gump, what is the calendar alternative?
[02:23] <Bubba_Gump> it works great, until hotmail changed things around a bit
[02:23] <Bubba_Gump> i think a plug-in is needed
[02:24] <LeeJunFan> livingdaylight: do you need to install hotway?     hotway - pop3 to Hotmail (HTTPmail) gateway
[02:24] <LeeJunFan> livingdaylight: perhaps kmail requires that for pop3 to hotmail?
[02:26] <LeeJunFan> livingdaylight: actually a howto I found says use gotmail
[02:26] <LeeJunFan> http://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=27
[02:27] <Jucato> unless you're paying for Hotmail, you can't get any POP3 from it. not KMail's fault. Thunderbird alone won't be able to do it either anyway...
[02:28] <livingdaylight> LeeJunFan, its Bubba_Gump who had issues with homtail working in kmail, I don't use hotmail, my issue is basic pop3 as i 've already said
[02:28] <Jucato> basic pop3 using what?
[02:28] <LeeJunFan> oh sorry.
[02:28] <Jucato> Gmail pop3 works fine here
[02:29] <Jucato> er.. gtg...
[02:29] <livingdaylight> lol, Jucato
[02:29] <livingdaylight> using Kmail, Jucato
[02:29] <Jucato> livingdaylight: yes, but who's POP3 service?
[02:30] <ubuntu> d
[02:30] <livingdaylight> Jucato, ah...blueyonder
[02:30] <livingdaylight> Jucato, pop3.blueyonder.co.uk
[02:30] <defrysk> why is kmail not in the menu ?
[02:30] <livingdaylight> Jucato, they're Telewest, my isp provider
[02:30] <Jucato> defrysk: because it's in Kontact
[02:30] <defrysk> Jucato, tnks :)
[02:31] <Jucato> livingdaylight: you have double checked every setting right? server, port, authentication (SSL stuff)?
[02:31] <Jucato> anyway, brb...
[02:35] <defrysk> livingdaylight, read the kmail bit on this page : http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/41552-complete-guide-using-gmail-thunderbird-mozilla-mail-evolution-kmail.html
[02:37] <livingdaylight> defrysk, i was only trying to get my isp pop account to open in kmail. I've given up and gonna find something else
[02:39] <defrysk> sure
[02:40] <Gandalf> HI
[02:40] <Gandalf> any person
[02:40] <Gandalf> that give
[02:40] <Gandalf> me help?
[02:41] <Morbo> ican
[02:42] <LeeJunFan> !ask | Gandalf
[02:42] <ubotu> Gandalf: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:42] <snpzee> !xgl
[02:42] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:43] <Gandalf> ubotu
[02:44] <Gandalf> sorry for my english
[02:44] <Gandalf> i'm italian
[02:44] <Gandalf> :
[02:44] <Gandalf> I've a problem about network connection
[02:44] <Gandalf> on Kubuntu 6.10
[02:44] <Alextremo> don't worry Gandalf
[02:44] <Gandalf> what is the way to start an automatic ocnfiguration of my connection?
[02:44] <Alextremo> i'm venezuelan
[02:45] <Alextremo> jeje
[02:45] <Gandalf> lol
[02:45] <Gandalf> sudo ppoeconf it's right?
[02:51] <Schalken> *sigh* still no luck. im beginning to think this whole compiz thing is a joke and people just gimped the screenshots ;)
[02:57] <GnarusLeo> Hi, I have the flash player plugin for firefox, but most flash-thingys on the web needs version 8 of flash ... how do I get this?
[02:57] <LeeJunFan> !flash9
[02:57] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)  -  Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[02:58] <GnarusLeo> thanks :)
[03:00] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[03:05] <dinosaur-rus> I can't get a screenshot with the keyboard shortcut
[03:06] <GnarusLeo> LeeJunFan, do you know if it installs the plugin on firefox automatic?
[03:06] <GnarusLeo> Unfortunately you don't have Macromedia Flash 8 installed. I get this .. I have the flashplayer-nonfree-9beta package
[03:06] <user_> hello
[03:07] <user_> i'm using the alternate install
[03:07] <user_> i placed ks.cfg in /installeer and edited isolinux.cfg and added ks=/installeer/ks.cfg to the APPEND line. however the script doesn't automate stuff
[03:08] <LeeJunFan> GnarusLeo: sorry, I don't know. I downloaded mine from adobe in tarball and copied the plugin to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/.
[03:08] <Jucato> !flash 9
[03:08] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)  -  Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[03:08] <GnarusLeo> I got that package Jucato
[03:09] <LeeJunFan> GnarusLeo: also make sure you remove the old flash plugin so it's not confused by having 2.
[03:09] <dinosaur-rus> !screenshot
[03:09] <ubotu> Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr]  button or the File -> Acquire menu in the GIMP.
[03:09] <LeeJunFan> GnarusLeo: you can type "about:plugins" in your address bar in firefox to see what plugins it sees.
[03:09] <dinosaur-rus> uh, that doesn't work for me :(
[03:10] <octan> what port does msn use?
[03:10] <LeeJunFan> octan: 1863
[03:10] <octan> thxz
[03:10] <GnarusLeo> LeeJunFan, yeah ... can only see the flash 7 verison
[03:11] <dinosaur-rus> LeeJunFan: could you help me?
[03:11] <LeeJunFan> GnarusLeo: I'm not sure where that package put the plugin then, apparently somewhere firefox isn't looking.
[03:11] <LeeJunFan> dinosaur-rus: with?
[03:11] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: can you still run ksnapshot?
[03:12] <dinosaur-rus> LeeJunFan: yes
[03:13] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: go to System Settings -> Accessibility -> Input Actions -> Preset Actions and check if the PrintScreen action is enabled
[03:13] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: it's enabled
[03:14] <LeeJunFan> dinosaur-rus: you aren't running beryl or compiz are you?
[03:14] <dinosaur-rus> LeeJunFan: I even dunno what that is :))
[03:15] <BluesKaj> Howdy All ! :)
[03:15] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: on the Keyboard Shortcut tab (Input actions -> Print Screen), does it still say "Print"? try changing it to something else, then back to "Print" again
[03:15] <Jucato> hi Admiral_Chicago
[03:15] <Admiral_Chicago> how is it going
[03:16] <DaSkreech> There should be a way to combine multiple Cd ISOs to burn on a DVD :-(
[03:16] <Jucato> doing fine. slow day...
[03:16] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Howdy!
[03:16] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: didn't help
[03:16] <LeeJunFan> DaSkreech: just burn the iso's as files to DVD then mount them with loopback :)
[03:17] <BluesKaj> Hiya DaSkreech!
[03:17] <DaSkreech> LeeJunFan: Ha ha That works great for all but install Cds
[03:17] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Whats Digging?
[03:17] <BluesKaj> Jucato,! Admiral_Chicago!
[03:17] <Admiral_Chicago> Hello BluesKaj
[03:18] <BluesKaj> oh not much today DaSkreech...got a new sony cybershot camera , gonna set it up on Edgy and Windows
[03:18] <DaSkreech> Hooray :)
[03:19] <DaSkreech> get digikam
[03:19] <BluesKaj> hate that small print in the instructions ...hard on old guys eyes :(
[03:19] <Jucato> hi BluesKaj, hi DaSkreech
[03:19] <LeeJunFan> also get ridofwindows
[03:19] <LeeJunFan> :p
[03:19] <Admiral_Chicago> l actually like fstop better that digikam
[03:19] <Jucato> oh, yeah. I got me printer today, too. yay!
[03:19] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Easy use the zoom on teh camera to read it :)
[03:20] <Admiral_Chicago> i got...9 hours of sleep.
[03:20] <BluesKaj> i still use windows for emergency DVD stuiff
[03:20] <Jucato> lol
[03:20] <Admiral_Chicago> haven't done that in well over a month
[03:20] <BluesKaj> yeah DaSkreech :)
[03:23] <BluesKaj> right on Jucato...which printer ?
[03:23] <Jucato> HP PSC 1350 :)
[03:24] <BluesKaj> HP for teh win !
[03:24] <Jucato> evrything works purrrrfectly (except for the card reader, and the ink...)
[03:25] <LeeJunFan> I'm thinking about getting an hp460, portable printer.
[03:25] <Jucato> yeah, never expected it to work out of the box, specially the scanner
[03:25] <Jucato> (actually, I had to install some stuff, but since I don't have default kubuntu-installed, that's not a surprise)
[03:25] <BluesKaj> using an elcheapo HP Deskjet 3520 on the windows network ...it's lasted 3 yrs ...that's longer than the canon 5100 i had originally that 3 times more than the HP
[03:26] <BluesKaj> cost 3 times more than the HP
[03:26] <Jucato> yeah, HP isn't exactly the cheapest printer around here...
[03:27] <Jucato> I was worried that the scanner (which was actually more important to me) wouldn't work. :P
[03:28] <Guardian> hello
[03:28] <BluesKaj> Jucato, I got my HP 3500 scamnner working on Edgy
[03:28] <Guardian> with the traditional desktop cd, how can i install grub where i want (that is not on the mbr)
[03:29] <LeeJunFan> Guardian: not sure, but my guess would be that you'd have to boot from it and do a text install.
[03:31] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato, LeeJunFan: any ideas why getting screenshots through keyboard shortcuts doesn't work?
[03:32] <LeeJunFan> dinosaur-rus: sorry, no clue.
[03:32] <dinosaur-rus> :(
[03:33] <LeeJunFan> dinosaur-rus: I've always just use ksnapshot myself.
[03:33] <Jucato> neither do I. do your other keyboard shortcuts work?
[03:33] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: yes
[03:34] <Jucato> my only guess would be that the PrintScreen button was mapped to something else. making it ignore Input Actions' settings
[03:38] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: but it doesn't work even if I change the shortcut to, e.g. Alt+F10
[03:38] <BluesKaj> trying open a rar file but /usr/bin/rar file association or "open with" doesn't work ...any ideas ?
[03:38] <Jucato> BluesKaj: you have unrar installed?
[03:39] <intelikey> !unrar-free
[03:39] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB
[03:39] <BluesKaj> ooo, i thot rar was enuff ...oops :)
[03:39] <BluesKaj> too used to windows :)
[03:39] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: one last try: did you check if the Input Action correctly points to ksnapshot in teh Command/URL Settings tab
[03:40] <DaSkreech> !unrar
[03:40] <ubotu> unrar is rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression  There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[03:40] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:40] <intelikey> every time i try to do anything on window i remember why i hate it.
[03:40] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: "Command/URL to execute: ksnapshot"
[03:41] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: another thing to try, check if the Presets Actions group is not disabled
[03:41] <intelikey> if there's a windows expert here, is there anyway to force xp to NOT load drivers for one hardware ?
[03:41] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: it's enabled
[03:42] <BluesKaj> Jucato, is the nonfree version more "capable" than the free version of unrar ?
[03:42] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: without any conditions
[03:42] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: also, in Input Actions, click on Global Settings near the bottom, then make sure that in the General Settings tab, khotkeys daemon is not disabled
[03:42] <voicu> !p2p
[03:42] <ubotu> Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[03:42] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: enabled
[03:43] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: if those still don't work, then the only other alternative I could think of is right-clicking on KSnapshot in the K Menu, selecting Edit Menu, then giving KSnapshot a shortcut there..
[03:43] <Jucato> BluesKaj: I think the free version doesn't handle more recent versions of RAR
[03:43] <Guardian> LeeJunFan: well in fact you can change it in the graphics installer ! i have to change (hd0) to something, will (hd0,7) install grub on /dev/hda8 ?
[03:43] <BluesKaj> ok Jucato thx
[03:44] <Jucato> BluesKaj: "Rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. There are several versions of rar and the newest version, 3.0, is not supported by any free tools." from the wiki
[03:44] <intelikey> Guardian looks right
[03:45] <intelikey> Guardian that assumes that hd0 is /dev/hda
[03:47] <intelikey> what exactly does blkid read ?
[03:48] <voicu> !rpm
[03:48] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[03:49] <Jucato> intelikey: what do you mean?
[03:49] <Jucato> intelikey: probably /dev/disk/by-uuid (if that's what you meant)
[03:50] <intelikey> jucato no, that's not what i mean.   the man page sujests that it is "utility to locate/print block device attributes"  but it only display fs data not block devices
[03:51] <Jucato> ah ok.. don't know then :)
[03:51] <ubuntu> salut le chan :)
[03:51] <ubuntu> oops
[03:51] <akrus> salut le chan / hello everyone
[03:52] <akrus> after Microsoft released Windows Vista I've finally decided Linux is ten times better lol
[03:53] <marcelrc> hello all
[03:53] <akrus> last time I was using Kubuntu (RC) it hadn't detected my WiFi while I was in LiveCD mode so I can say that it became really nice in Release :D
[03:53] <akrus> marcelrc: heya
[03:54] <akrus> intelikey: actually I was comparing to Beryl :)
[03:54] <akrus> I still cannot move some of my friends to linux lol
[03:55] <intelikey> with windows, like any whore; you get less than you pay for.
[03:55] <Guardian> intelikey yep it is, thx for the help and sorry for the lag :)
[03:55] <akrus> btw is there any utility that will display my current connection status on the KDE Taskbar?
[03:55] <akrus> cause it takes too long to open konsole -> ifconfig or System Settings :)
[03:56] <marcelrc> some from brazil
[03:57] <akrus> I still remember first time I tried using Linux at home hehe
[03:57] <akrus> I was really young... around 11 years old :)
[03:57] <akrus> omg, Gaim2beta5 released, something new to test out...
[03:57] <intelikey> akrus knetdockapp - Network activity monitor applet for KDE
[03:57] <akrus> intelikey: thanks :)
[03:58] <intelikey> akrus i've never seen that so i cant tell you what it does.    apt-cache search network monitor | grep -ie kde
[03:58] <cryptom> hi all, I would like to setup a linux environment in our school (linux server and kubuntu clients with server-based home dirs and user accounts). What is the best way to achieve this? Samba?
[03:58] <Jucato> time to hit the sack. night guys!! :)
[03:59] <voicu> has anyone tried using frostwire or limewire under ubuntu edgy?
[03:59] <akrus> still waiting for the installer... it always lags at HDD detecting...
[03:59] <akrus> for me, unfortunately :)
[04:00] <intelikey> cryptom samba isn't needed for that.  samba is for windows networks.
[04:00] <cryptom> intelikey, ok, what do you propose?
[04:00] <akrus> I still do not understand how Vista may be better than Linux? At least memory usage is very high... I can't believe someone will use it for server :D
[04:00] <BluesKaj> voicu , try aMule
[04:00] <akrus> or xMule as well
[04:01] <voicu> well, I guess I am going to try an alternative if this one doesn't work but I wanted to know if someone had used frostwire and how did he do it
[04:01] <voicu> *he/she :D
[04:02] <intelikey> cryptom i propose asking someone that knows networking.   which unfortunately isn't me.    but linux has several ability in that field.
[04:02] <BluesKaj> Xmule , akrus ... never tried it , is it better than amule ?... cuz i can't get the Kad network to connect
[04:02] <akrus> BluesKaj: don't remember :)
[04:02] <akrus> BluesKaj: I didn't use it for a long time
[04:02] <BluesKaj> yeah i use torrents mostly
[04:03] <akrus> BluesKaj: same :)
[04:03] <voicu> well, amule is quite convenient, it's in the repos
[04:03] <dennister> IRkick
[04:03] <dennister> !IRKick
[04:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about IRKick - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:03] <BluesKaj> amule is good for individaul mp3 s etc , but big stuff like movies it's like molasses in January
[04:03] <intelikey> cryptom vnc maybe  or ssh  depending on how/what you plan on doing.
[04:04] <akrus> dinosaur-rus: hello, Stream sucks :D
[04:04] <tamacracker> Hey guys, how do you change the login screen on  kde?
[04:04] <dinosaur-rus> akrus: ???
[04:04] <tamacracker> akrus does it?
[04:04] <intelikey> initrd-netboot-tools - initrd scripts for netboot support
[04:04] <intelikey> kernel-image-netbootable - net-bootable kernel for use with diskless systems
[04:04] <intelikey> mknbi - Create tagged images for Etherboot or Netboot
[04:05] <akrus> dinosaur-rus: nah, just found out you're from Russia :) Stream is okay, but until ADSL2+ is not implemented it sucks in ping rates :(
[04:05] <tamacracker> oh oopes
[04:05] <maverick> !ADSL2+
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ADSL2+ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <dinosaur-rus> akrus: :)
[04:05] <cryptom> intelikey, vnc? ssh? I intend to a server-based user accounts and server-based home directories for all my clients, not making remote logins
[04:05] <akrus> maverick: yep, it would be nice, but in Russia we're missing lots of things.
[04:05] <tamacracker> How do you change the login screen on  kde?
[04:05] <akrus> I still cannot get more than 550kbps at home.
[04:05] <akrus> Maximum: 1024kbps (ADSL)
[04:05] <intelikey> cryptom thus the later posts ^
[04:06] <maverick> well in egypt, we're missing loads of things :D
[04:06] <akrus> :)
[04:06] <dennister> ok, how do i add applications (like mythtv and mplayer) to IRkick?
[04:06] <akrus> recently Golden Telecom started WiFi network all over Moscow
[04:06] <akrus> so I'm using their WiFi sometimes. anyway it's free while testing mode is active :)
[04:06] <akrus> 2 Mbps for free is nice :)
[04:07] <intelikey> cryptom unless you mean the clients are running windows (yuch) and they log into a linux account on the server... ?
[04:07] <dinosaur-rus> akrus: at first, Stream has reasonable price. at second, they have 7.5Mbps plan :)
[04:07] <akrus> dinosaur-rus: but with limited bandwidth ;)
[04:08] <cryptom> intelikey, no, they should use the server only for authentication and storage, programs are executed on the client
[04:08] <dinosaur-rus> akrus: are 7GBytes too little for you? :)
[04:08] <akrus> dinosaur-rus: yep, very :) and I need upload speed more than 768kbps... too many things uploading :)
[04:09] <akrus> by the way Stream still has problems with their :games login... maybe you remember when there was a bug so everyone had access to internet in :games... so my friend has 6mbps and unmetered lol
[04:09] <maverick> akrus: are you a millionaire ??!!
[04:09] <maverick> lol
[04:09] <tamacracker> Can anyone tell me how to change my log in screeN?
[04:09] <akrus> maverick: no :)
[04:09] <dinosaur-rus> akrus: oh... you're sooooooo traffic-consuming...
[04:09] <akrus> dinosaur-rus: yeah :(
[04:10] <akrus> especially I love to download everything new from ubuntu's repos xD
[04:10] <maverick> akrus : i guess a traffic like wht u're talking about costs too much
[04:10] <intelikey> cryptom if no one in here can point you in the right dirrection, try #ubuntu   else  ##linux or ##linuxhelp
[04:10] <akrus> My server connection has 100mbps, unmetered... I wanna have it at home :D
[04:10] <maverick> it might causes me to pay 400$ per month
[04:10] <cryptom> intelikey, ok thx
[04:10] <akrus> maverick: I pay ~35$/month
[04:11] <dinosaur-rus> tamacracker: try System Settings -> Advanced -> Login Manager
[04:11] <akrus> I'd like to pay 50~70$ per month in case there was something available :)
[04:11] <intelikey> cryptom while "some" technical questions are resolved here,  most of this channel sees "where is the start button" type questions.
[04:11] <tamacracker> on kde?...
[04:11] <akrus> tamacracker: K Menu -> System Settings
[04:14] <tamacracker> yeah im on that
[04:14] <tamacracker> but..
[04:14] <tamacracker> there's no option
[04:14] <intelikey> 35$ 400$ what is that euro syntax ?
[04:14] <tamacracker> to replace the login screen
[04:14] <akrus> intelikey: 1,2 EUR = 1 USD
[04:14] <akrus> (approximately)
[04:14] <BluesKaj> tamacracker, kde/syssettings/login manager/advanced/admin mode/background
[04:15] <intelikey> not conversion rate.  the possion of $ relative to numbers ?
[04:15] <intelikey> we pay $22.50  <-- examplt
[04:15] <intelikey> e
[04:16] <akrus> ah
[04:16] <akrus> no idea xD
[04:17] <akrus> I pay 890 RUR :P
[04:17] <dinosaur-rus> is khotkeys daemon required for mouse gestures?
[04:18] <intelikey> i just saw it and wondered.  i know that some euro standards use date format YYYY/MM/DD   and   pounds 22.50l (not a unicode input here)   but not used to seeing x$
[04:26] <AaronCampbell> I want a video card that will be able to do dual monitors on a DEFAULT install of Kubuntu Edgy (without needing additional drivers).  Is this possible?
[04:26] <akrus> omg
[04:26] <akrus> sorry, just was trying out :)
[04:27] <intelikey> AaronCampbell i won't say "not possable" but i will say "not likely"
[04:28] <Schalken> What does it mean when you set something to install in Adept but it says 'BREAK (install)' instead of just 'install'???
[04:28] <AaronCampbell> intelikey: I thought there might be an HCL somewhere, but I can't find one.
[04:28] <akrus> AaronCampbell: you need proprietary software then...
[04:29] <intelikey> AaronCampbell i don't know of a hardware maker that does that and open sources the drivers.
[04:29] <AaronCampbell> akrus: that was to me?  I was asking if there were any cards that did NOT require proprietary drivers
[04:29] <AaronCampbell> intelikey: Ok.
[04:29] <akrus> AaronCampbell: likely no :(
[04:30] <AaronCampbell> I have very little time to mess with getting stuff to work, and after my last install, that was the only thing that didn't, so I went back to XP
[04:30] <hades> can i play windows games on kubuntu ?
[04:30] <AaronCampbell> was hoping to solve it by just buying a card that worked
[04:30] <AaronCampbell> and saving the time
[04:30] <dinosaur-rus> hades: with Cedega or Wine
[04:30] <AaronCampbell> hades: depends on what you mean by "games"
[04:30] <intelikey> ati "might" make one in the near future,  but don't hold your breath until it is released.... you're likely to sufficate.
[04:30] <akrus> hades: yeah, specify some please :)
[04:30] <hades> i mean like fifa 2007
[04:30] <hades> or just cause
[04:31] <hades> or .. scarface
[04:31] <hades> whatever
[04:31] <akrus> hades: www.winehq.org
[04:31] <hades> every type of games ?
[04:31] <akrus> Open applications database
[04:31] <akrus> and check in case it was tested
[04:31] <akrus> if it was -> you can play
[04:31] <Admiral_Chicago> not every game, but some
[04:31] <akrus> and what's your video card? ;)
[04:31] <akrus> I still can't believe nVidia works better under linux than ATI :(
[04:31] <hades> radeon 1600 XT  256Mb on pci-express
[04:31] <akrus> it will work mostly, but with problems
[04:32] <hades> what do you mean by problems ?
[04:32] <akrus> most popular games work without any problems (like Counter-Strike, especially 1.6)
[04:32] <akrus> well
[04:32] <akrus> for example Ragnarok Online + ATI card -> only full screen, with some lags during loading screens
[04:32] <dinosaur-rus> ATI's Linux drivers sucks :)
[04:32] <akrus> same with nVidia -> no problems... :(
[04:32] <akrus> yeah
[04:32] <AaronCampbell> intelikey: I have an older ATI Radeon 9250 in my system.  Is there a how-to for setting that up on edgy?
[04:33] <akrus> next PC i'm going to buy will be with nVidia....
[04:33] <hades> hmm
[04:33] <hades> ill try
[04:33] <akrus> lol
[04:33] <akrus> one of my friends does not know english
[04:33] <hades> should i use adept to install the wine package ?
[04:33] <akrus> he's using translator...
[04:33] <intelikey> on edgy specificly, idk, but there was on dapper, maybe it's been updated.
[04:33] <intelikey> !ati
[04:33] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:33] <akrus> I still cannot understand what does he want to tell xD
[04:34] <akrus> >> I have to a kind when shall meet I of money of ladies
[04:34] <Admiral_Chicago> hades: yes
[04:34] <akrus> btw was the bug with ATI auto installer fixed?
[04:35] <akrus> I meant do I still need to add it to kernel modules list which should be loaded during system startup?
[04:35] <intelikey> !wine
[04:35] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:36] <dinosaur-rus> !cedega
[04:36] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[04:36] <akrus> Cedega sucks :)
[04:36] <Admiral_Chicago> dinosaur-rus: that's because ATI doesn't open source their drivers
[04:36] <hades> it is so strange
[04:36] <akrus> btw does nVidia?
[04:36] <hades> they dont open source they drivers
[04:36] <hades> it doesent make any sens at all
[04:36] <akrus> hades: it's secret development x)
[04:37] <akrus> noone should know anything about it *hides*
[04:38] <hades> that is the biggest disadvantage for linux... every small thing to do like playing the games or making wifi is a big problem
[04:39] <akrus> wifi is okay
[04:39] <akrus> confirmed :)
[04:39] <akrus> using it atm
[04:39] <hades> i would not say that
[04:39] <akrus> D-Link DWL-510G
[04:39] <akrus> lemme guess... 6.06.1 LTS? ;)
[04:40] <hades> yes ...
[04:40] <hades> edgy ? ;)
[04:40] <akrus> yep
[04:40] <akrus> ;)
[04:40] <akrus> for home it's okay
[04:40] <trappist> hades: it depends on the card you have.  if there are open source drivers available, it's a snap.  same with games - open source, snap.  otherwise it takes some work.
[04:40] <hades> i shoudl make an update ...
[04:40] <akrus> LTS for server/corporates mostly
[04:40] <akrus> hm
[04:40] <akrus> you may use my mirror :D
[04:40] <akrus> http://kubuntu.flygames.net/ ;)
[04:41] <hades> trappist: really ? tell me why on my computer 1GB RAM 3.0Ghz(Intel pentium D) and Ati radeon 1600xt pci express with 256mb tux racer works like crap
[04:41] <hades> ?
[04:41] <akrus> apt-get install fglrx
[04:41] <akrus> :P
[04:41] <akrus> or www.ati.com -> Linux Drivers -> Download
[04:42] <akrus> second one will be better I think...
[04:42] <trappist> hades: because there are no (good) open source ati drivers
[04:42] <trappist> hades: you need the proprietary ones
[04:42] <akrus> let's develop it!
[04:42] <akrus> but
[04:42] <akrus> what about nVidia?
[04:42] <akrus> isn't it the same?
[04:42] <trappist> both companies refuse to release their specs
[04:42] <dinosaur-rus> akrus: nVidia's drivers are partially open-source :)
[04:43] <hades> porpably couse they make crapy stuff ...
[04:43] <hades> :)
[04:43] <akrus> dinosaur-rus: hm... let's h4ck ATI s3rv3R xD
[04:43] <trappist> more likely because they're worried they'll sue each other all over the place when they see what's in there
[04:43] <akrus> oh i have an idea
[04:43] <Itcharlie> hello all
[04:43] <akrus> we should hack Windows Update...
[04:43] <akrus> and add auto update
[04:44] <Itcharlie> I am trying to install kubuntu
[04:44] <Itcharlie> on an aptiva
[04:44] <Itcharlie> IBM
[04:44] <akrus> mark it as 'Critical Security Fix'... and then add the Linux distro xD
[04:44] <Itcharlie> but when i choose any option
[04:44] <Itcharlie> it just restarts on me
[04:45] <dinosaur-rus> akrus: do you want to make people really mad?
[04:45] <akrus> dinosaur-rus: no, I want ATI to release source code of their drivers
[04:45] <Itcharlie> hi anyone can help me
[04:45] <akrus> hm... where's Reiser?
[04:45] <dinosaur-rus> ltcharlie: alternative or live CD?
[04:45] <DaSkreech> !wine
[04:46] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:46] <dinosaur-rus> akrus: and how that stuff refers to Windows Update?
[04:46] <akrus> everyone will switch to Linux
[04:46] <Itcharlie> my computer is an aptiva
[04:46] <akrus> and then ATI will listen to the people :)
[04:46] <Itcharlie> and its restarting on me
[04:46] <Itcharlie> everytime I choose an option on the menu to install
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[04:47] <akrus> :D
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[04:48] <DaSkreech> AMD is more likely to do so but again They are not worried about much else than being sued to tears
[04:48] <dinosaur-rus> akrus: don't blow the world ;)
[04:51] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon: you're the one trying to get a midwest LoCo togethel/
[04:52] <Itcharlie> hi all
[04:52] <Itcharlie> I am trying to install
[04:52] <Itcharlie> kubuntu on an aptiva
[04:52] <Itcharlie> and when it boots up
[04:52] <Itcharlie> I am chooose an option
[04:52] <Itcharlie> an it just restarts
[04:53] <Itcharlie> I am using alternate cd install
[04:53] <akrus> hm... what's aptiva?
[04:53] <DaSkreech> IBM machine
[04:54] <akrus> hm
[04:54] <DaSkreech> Itcharlie: Which option?
[04:54] <Itcharlie> yes
[04:54] <Itcharlie> IBM
[04:54] <Itcharlie> text mode
[04:54] <Itcharlie> any ideas
[04:55] <DaSkreech> Where does it restart?
[04:55] <Itcharlie> after pressing enter
[04:55] <Itcharlie> on that option
[04:56] <trappist> !enter
[04:56] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[04:56] <DaSkreech> try a different option?
[04:56] <DaSkreech> tackat: Morning
[04:56] <Itcharlie> I tried oem and commandline
[04:56] <Itcharlie> and still the same happens
[04:56] <DaSkreech> The Cd works on other computers?
[04:56] <Itcharlie> yes
[04:56] <Itcharlie> i tried that as well
[04:57] <Itcharlie> it works just ine
[04:57] <Itcharlie> fine
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[04:57] <DaSkreech> ok what happens if you press F6 twice?
[04:58] <jatos> hi
[04:59] <Itcharlie> f6
[04:59] <Itcharlie> two time
[05:00] <Itcharlie> makes me choose
[05:00] <Itcharlie> normal mode
[05:00] <Itcharlie> or expert mode
[05:01] <Itcharlie> i chose expert mode
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Right is there an option where you can select the command line prompt?
[05:01] <Itcharlie> and still does the same
[05:01] <DaSkreech> And it restarts?
[05:01] <Itcharlie> oh ok
[05:01] <Itcharlie> yes I see the command line
[05:01] <Itcharlie> what can I write there
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Can you give me an idea of what it says?
[05:02] <DaSkreech> Sorry I Haven't used it in a bit :(
[05:04] <Itcharlie> ok
[05:04] <Itcharlie> its says
[05:04] <patlkli> hi
[05:05] <intelikey> patlkli
[05:05] <patlkli> intelikey, yes?
[05:05] <akrus> :))
[05:05] <jatos> is their anyway I speeding on Kubuntu of a 1ghz/256mb ram laptop?
[05:05] <akrus> *tasty*
[05:05] <akrus> I love installing Linux
[05:06] <akrus> I may listen to online radio & talk in IM...
[05:06] <patlkli> akrus, :-P
[05:07] <akrus> jatos: installing Gnome/Xfce instead of KDE?
[05:07] <patlkli> akrus, nice, I install every 3 weeks a new test-distribution... ;-)
[05:07] <intelikey> jatos if no one answers try asking in english.
[05:07] <akrus> patlkli: I also do, but not every 3 weeks... :)
[05:09] <akrus> finally, installing Linux :) ~copying files~
[05:09] <patlkli> jatos, yes, you're English is terrible... (mine too :-P)
[05:09] <jatos> sorry, reading something on the Ubuntu page
[05:09] <akrus> oh, does someone have Linux installed on notebook?
[05:09] <jatos> actually I am English, I just type fast!
[05:10] <jatos> akrus: yes,me
[05:10] <patlkli> jatos, Dapper or Edgy?
[05:11] <jatos> patikli: I probably should have been more specific... the Xserver on Dapper runs a little slowly for my liking
[05:11] <jatos> in short, when I play OpenTTD the graphics are too slow for the game to be actually worth playing
[05:11] <patlkli> hmm... try http://www.attackr.com/speed-up-ubuntu-with-fasterdapper/
[05:12] <jatos> cheers
[05:12] <patlkli> i didn't test it, but it should work...
[05:13] <Itcharlie> file /cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed
[05:13] <intelikey> actually  "typing fast" != "uninteledgable babble"
[05:13] <Itcharlie> ramdisk_size= 16384
[05:14] <Itcharlie> DaSkreech
[05:14] <patlkli> hmm, bad thing
[05:14] <intelikey> trying to type faster than you actually can == ^
[05:14] <fyrmedic> k
[05:14] <patlkli> i can't type anything in Konqueror
[05:14] <Itcharlie> can you see what I typed
[05:14] <Itcharlie> DaSkreech
[05:14] <jatos> yes... I can be a little bad at typing too fast every now and again
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Itcharlie: Yup?
[05:15] <Itcharlie> ok
[05:15] <Itcharlie> so what do you think
[05:15] <intelikey> jatos me too.
[05:15] <Itcharlie> or do you need more ino
[05:15] <Itcharlie> info
[05:15] <fyrmedic> How do I change the permissions on a harddrive that was originally set up in windows so that I can add/delete files and such. I tried just setting the permissions in kubuntu but it won't override the windows permissions.
[05:15] <DaSkreech> I didn't see anything I think the net connection here died
[05:16] <Itcharlie> oh ok
[05:16] <DaSkreech>  I asked you to send the line the next thing I see is you saying my name
[05:16] <Itcharlie> file /cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed
[05:16] <Itcharlie> ramdisk_size= 16384
[05:16] <intelikey> Itcharlie 16m ram ???   the installer wont run in that.
[05:17] <intelikey> Itcharlie installer requires 32m+ on the alternative and 192m+ on the live.
[05:18] <intelikey> i think it says 64m on the alternative but i have gotten it to work on 32    not well though
[05:18] <restwix> Hello all, does anybody know a kubuntu channel of open source projects that need some help with?
[05:19] <Itcharlie> oh ok
[05:19] <Itcharlie> I have 256 ram
[05:19] <Itcharlie> installed
[05:20] <intelikey> what is the   " <Itcharlie> ramdisk_size= 16384 "  from ?
[05:20] <Itcharlie> the option for installation
[05:20] <Itcharlie> on the command prompt
[05:21] <intelikey> ah.  i see.   sorry.   i wasn't keeping up with your issue.
[05:21] <Itcharlie> ok
[05:21] <Itcharlie> no problem
[05:21] <DaSkreech> restwix: #kubuntu-devel
[05:21] <Itcharlie> the problem is that when I choose an option to boot up
[05:21] <intelikey> show me what you type ?
[05:21] <DaSkreech> omgponiezlol: Ha ha :)
[05:23] <restwix> DaSkreech: Thanks
[05:23] <intelikey> Itcharlie you say you choose an option,  show me what you type in, please.
[05:24] <DaSkreech> intelikey: He means any option
[05:24] <DaSkreech>  Install, oem etc
[05:24] <DaSkreech> assuming Itcharlie is a male :)
[05:24] <Itcharlie> Ilol
[05:24] <intelikey> what happens if you just hit enter.   does it still reboot ?
[05:24] <Itcharlie> I choose oem
[05:24] <Itcharlie> and text mode
[05:25] <Itcharlie> yes
[05:25] <intelikey> that sounds like a bad burn.   like the kernel maybe corrupt.
[05:25] <Itcharlie> oh ok
[05:25] <Itcharlie> so just make another copy
[05:26] <intelikey> did you say it will boot in other boxes ?
[05:26] <DaSkreech> It will
[05:26] <intelikey> hmmmm   that's an odity alright.
[05:27] <intelikey> let me thunk....
[05:28] <intelikey> Itcharlie can you boot other cd's in that box without error ?
[05:28] <intelikey> like the live cd maybe ?
[05:29] <Itcharlie> well
[05:29] <Itcharlie> i boot up other computers
[05:29] <intelikey> no i'm talking that box.    it could be something specific to that box.
[05:30] <octan> sup
[05:31] <intelikey> drive error, bios anti-virus protection, ahhh memory stick problem.... ide cable loose....  Itcharlie  making sure that other linux cd's will boot in there eliminates that kind of thing.
[05:32] <Itcharlie> ok
[05:35] <bsnider> is edgy going to get the 2.6.18 kernel?
[05:35] <intelikey> logic disk A boots in box 1 & 2 but not in box 3   test if disk B also boots in box 1 & 2 but not box 3  then conclusion box 3 has fault.  elif disk B boots in box 1 2 & 3  disk A has fault.    fi
[05:36] <intelikey> Itcharlie you had done part one of that test.   check part 2 of it   ^
[05:38] <intelikey> bsnider edgy has 2.6.17
[05:38] <Itcharlie> i am checking
[05:39] <bsnider> intelikey: does fiesty have 2.6.18?
[05:39] <Itcharlie> i am using xubuntu
[05:39] <intelikey> bsnider idk.
[05:39] <Itcharlie> still nothing
[05:39] <Itcharlie> i am going to try a live cdd
[05:39] <intelikey> Itcharlie ok.
[05:39] <Itcharlie> but I have xp installed
[05:39] <Itcharlie> and it works fine
[05:39] <DaSkreech> restwix: Found what you were looking for?
[05:40] <intelikey> different animal
[05:40] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I think he means the CD works fine
[05:40] <intelikey> it still is.
[05:40] <Itcharlie> yes
[05:41] <Itcharlie> so cd should no be the problem
[05:41] <Itcharlie> should it
[05:43] <restwix> DaScreech: Not really. What I had in mind is application, project for kubuntu....
[05:44] <restwix> DaScreech: Like open office
[05:44] <intelikey> !contribute
[05:44] <ubotu> To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[05:44] <restwix> or so
[05:46] <DaSkreech> restwix: Right you want to help out with some project?
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Itcharlie: You mean reading hte CD should be no problem?
[05:46] <restwix> DAaSkreech: Yeah, like fix some bugs and so...
[05:47] <Itcharlie> yes
[05:47] <Itcharlie> reading the cd should not be the problem
[05:47] <restwix> DAaSkreech: But something usefull for Kubuntu
[05:47] <DaSkreech> reading the Cd and booting from the Cd are different. As I've found out
[05:47] <Itcharlie> o ok
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Itcharlie: Do you have any other live Cds?
[05:47] <Itcharlie> nope
[05:47] <Itcharlie> should I download one
[05:47] <intelikey> try knoppix
[05:48] <Itcharlie> which one would be good
[05:48] <DaSkreech> restwix: read the URL above and join #kubuntu-devel
[05:48] <DaSkreech> Both will get you on your way
[05:48] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I would think the smaller the better :)
[05:48] <intelikey> DaSkreech dsl then :)
[05:48] <Itcharlie> download dsl
[05:48] <Itcharlie> ???
[05:48] <intelikey> yep
[05:49] <intelikey> distrowatch.org   isn't it ?
[05:50] <intelikey> Itcharlie in this application dsl == damn small linux
[05:50] <Itcharlie> I know
[05:50] <icheyne> Damn Small Linux or Puppy Linux are good live CDs
[05:50] <Itcharlie> ok
[05:51] <intelikey> both debian based and using knoppix techknowledgy
[05:51] <intelikey> iirc
[05:53] <intelikey> i need a new acronymn    iisc == if it's spelled correctly.
[05:53] <intelikey> :)
[05:53] <BluesKaj> new  2.6.18 kernel description:  http://kerneltrap.org/node/7144
[05:54] <BluesKaj> looks too linuxtechie.. intelikey :)
[05:55] <BluesKaj> iisc that is
[05:55] <defrysk> acronym
[05:57] <chx> i have installed ubuntu (base) with netboot & alternate cd mounted on the 'server'. now, I would like to install kubuntu-desktop and i have the ISO downloaded. please advice on how to continue
[05:57] <grwerks> Hello to all.
[05:58] <intelikey> chx sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop     is the recomended way.
[05:58] <grwerks> Somebody knows what happend with kopete server?
[05:58] <BluesKaj> who cares
[05:58] <BluesKaj> use konverstion
[05:59] <intelikey> chx if you mount the iso and copy the .deb files to /var/cache/apt/archives/   apt won't re-download files that are already there.
[05:59] <grwerks> Yes, but my other friends don have idea of irc.
[06:00] <_3nkidU`> amsn powa
[06:00] <grwerks> Ok, I have to go.
[06:00] <grwerks> Cya!!!
[06:01] <DaSkreech> chx: are you online?
[06:01] <intelikey> chx might i also mention that first enabling the security and update repos as well as universe and multiverse   then doing   sudo apt-get update       will make sure that you get any patches and or updates installed when you do the     apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:01] <chx> yes i am
[06:01] <chx> but the problem is that ISO is not on the machine...
[06:01] <DaSkreech> Ok then follow intelikey's sage advice
[06:01] <chx> i have two machines
[06:01] <chx> one has tftpd, apache , kubuntu and all
[06:02] <DaSkreech> then just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop but htat will take about an hour longer
[06:02] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:02] <chx> the other is new and being installed and has no CD and such
[06:02] <DaSkreech> no CD drive?
[06:02] <chx> and no Internet connection yet :)
[06:02] <chx> I have a local net
[06:02] <chx> and so far, ubuntu base installed nice over that
[06:03] <DaSkreech> Oh then copy the ISO
[06:03] <chx> oh
[06:03] <chx> that's an idea :)
[06:03] <chx> copy the iso, loop mount it and then...?
[06:03] <intelikey> see above ^
[06:03] <hammer> hello
[06:04] <DaSkreech> chx: Yup :)
[06:04] <DaSkreech> assuming you have ssh on the other machine
[06:04] <DaSkreech> hi
[06:04] <chx> ok ISO copied, 42Mbyte/s
[06:04] <intelikey> chx one could mount the iso and cd into it to hold it mounted.  then apt-cdrom add it's mount point.... haven't done that but it should work.
[06:04] <chx> so, I mount it but then what do i write into apt sources.list ?
[06:04] <chx> ah
[06:04] <chx> apt-cdrom add... one always learns
[06:06] <intelikey> i think the switch is -m /path/mounted/
[06:07] <intelikey> inturpret path mounted of course.  iisc
[06:07] <intelikey> maybe   iisc == it isn't spelled correctly     hehhe :)
[06:08] <BluesKaj> hehe yeah
[06:08] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[06:09] <intelikey> he he   ho ho  ha ha     ja ja ja....
[06:09] <intelikey> so there
[06:09] <intelikey> :)
[06:10] <intelikey> ok gotta go for a while,  but i'll be back same time next week, same station, see you then.
[06:12] <brett> how do i find out if my machine is Linux IA32, Linux IA64, or Linux AMD64?
[06:12] <DaSkreech> uname -a
[06:13] <brett> DaSkreech: Linux brett-desktop 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Fri Oct 13 18:45:35 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:13] <brett> DaSkreech: which one am i?
[06:13] <DaSkreech> I could be wrong :)
[06:13] <chx> i go crazy
[06:13] <brett> but?
[06:13] <DaSkreech> i686 seems to be 32
[06:14] <brett> ok
[06:14] <brett> thanks i will try that
[06:14] <chx> apt-cdrom nicely found the cd
[06:14] <chx> added it to sources.list
[06:14] <chx> but apt-get update simply says ign cdrom:// .....
[06:14] <icheyne> brett, look in your bios
[06:15] <brett> you mean reboot?
[06:15] <DaSkreech> icheyne: What?
[06:15] <DaSkreech> icheyne: how does that tell him if he has 64bit Libraries installed on his hard drive?
[06:15] <MidMark> guys somene has problem mounting dvd with only one session? I've just asked, but no response :(
[06:15] <icheyne> my bios tells me what kind of processor I have
[06:15] <icheyne> I can then google it
[06:15] <DaSkreech> icheyne: Yeah but not wethere you have a 64 bit os
[06:15] <icheyne> isn't that the best approach?
[06:15] <brett> icheyne: i am installing new graphic driver.. what happens if i get it wrong? Very little right?
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Oh wait
[06:15] <DaSkreech> :)
[06:16] <DaSkreech> I just realized the question :)
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Ha ha. Brett you don't know what processor you have?
[06:16] <brett> no not really
[06:16] <icheyne> I just read this "how do i find out if my machine is Linux IA32, Linux IA64, or Linux AMD64?" :o)
[06:16] <brett> ok where is that?
[06:17] <amichai> i cant send msgs from kopete i get
[06:17] <Admiral_Chicago> man IRC is always going nuts
[06:17] <amichai>  :
[06:17] <amichai>   The following message has not been sent
[06:17] <MidMark> guys somene has problem mounting dvd with only one session? I've just asked, but no response :((
[06:17] <amichai> correctly (Connection closed):
[06:17] <icheyne> wouldn't lshw show the processor type?
[06:17] <DaSkreech> Yeah it woul
[06:18] <amichai> anyone?
[06:18] <brett> icheyne: product: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2700+
[06:18] <brett> icheyne: width: 32 bits
[06:19] <DaSkreech> there you go 32 bits
[06:19] <BluesKaj> BBL
[06:19] <brett> DaSkreech: so you were right the first time?
[06:19] <icheyne> brett, looks like you need a 32 bit version of Linux
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Amichai: which protocol?
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Yep
[06:20] <brett> DaSkreech: you said yep to my question right?
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Yes
[06:20] <brett> cool
[06:20] <DaSkreech> If you are doing an apt-get it will auto choose the right one anyway
[06:21] <brett> ERROR: this .run file is intended for the
[06:21] <brett> Linux-x86_64 platform, but you appear to be
[06:21] <brett> running on Linux-x86.  Aborting installation.
[06:21] <DaSkreech> It's right :)
[06:21] <DaSkreech> !nvidia
[06:21] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:22] <brett> how do i do apt get for the nvidia open gl drivers?
[06:22] <brett> i am attempting to run a 3d game
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Read that link
[06:23] <oslo> how repair ALL par2 in a folder ?
[06:24] <brett> ok...doing that now
[06:25] <oslo> par2 r *z.par2 repairs only one file wich ends by ...z.par2; but a "rar e *z.rar" extracts ALL files which end by ...z.rar .... i'd like to use par2 like unrar ...
[06:26] <chx> please help isntalling, this is maddenning i have the installer cd in mounted in /mnt and apt-get update just ignores it
[06:26] <octan> any iptables dudas in here? i need some help with a rule
[06:27] <octan> whats wrong with this rule
[06:27] <renin> Hello!
[06:27] <octan> /sbin/iptables -A OUTPUT -m owner --cmd-owner ktorrent -j LOG --log-level DEBUG --log-prefix "OUTPUT pack died: "
[06:27] <octan> i get
[06:27] <octan> iptables: Invalid argument
[06:28] <renin> I have trouble mounting my SATA Drives in Kubuntu, though the BIOS reads it and I can get into windows XP, can anyone help?
[06:28] <bastid> how do i get mp3s and video files to play
[06:28] <bastid> keeps telling me i dont have the decoders
[06:29] <bastid> so i used synaptic to 'install' them
[06:29] <bastid> but it hasnt worked
[06:29] <DaSkreech> !mp3
[06:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:29] <MidMark> DaSkreech: is it known the dvd mounting issue?
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Not that I've heard of
[06:30] <MidMark> do you have a dvd-rw?
[06:30] <MidMark> just for a try
[06:30] <bastid> so i have to convert my mp3s?
[06:30] <DaSkreech>  I heard of some issues with Commericial DVDS after an upgrde but not burnt ones
[06:30] <DaSkreech>  Nope
[06:30] <DaSkreech>  Don't even have a DVD drive
[06:30] <DaSkreech> bastid: no
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Read the top link
[06:30] <MidMark> DaSkreech: I'm getting crazy because with dvd with one session but not closed (the disc) cannot mount
[06:31] <MidMark> if I add another session all is ok!
[06:31] <DaSkreech> Whats the error?
[06:31] <MidMark> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/14692
[06:31] <MidMark> see my last comments
[06:31] <Itcharlie> hi all
[06:31] <Itcharlie> DaSkreech
[06:31] <Itcharlie> puppy linux is not working for me
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Yes?
[06:32] <Itcharlie> it boots up
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Wait
[06:32] <Itcharlie> untill I hit the enter for default boot up
[06:32] <DaSkreech> it boots up or it's not working?
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Ah Ok
[06:32] <DaSkreech>  the machine has an issue then
[06:32] <renin> Is anyone available to help me with a Mounting problem? Kubuntu doesn't seem to read my SATA drives but the BIOS does.
[06:32] <DaSkreech> !sata
[06:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:32] <MidMark> DaSkreech: Martin said that need a login to the machine affected by the problem, bu I cannot contact him, sent an email, no response
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Damn :-(
[06:33] <MidMark> renin: which version? Edgy?
[06:33] <DaSkreech> renin: If you like you could also ask in #ubuntu the fix should be the same
[06:33] <MidMark> DaSkreech: is there something I can do in your opinion?
[06:34] <DaSkreech> not sure has pitti responded to you?
[06:35] <MidMark> nope :(
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Well hang around a bit. I take it you hve checked the forums already?
[06:35] <hammer> Hi there!
[06:35] <hammer> !irda
[06:35] <MidMark> I have checked all the page that have knownbugs nothing, I've only found that bug where I added all infos, but nothing....
[06:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about irda - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:36] <hammer> ping
[06:36] <DaSkreech> MidMark: Well #ubuntu-devel is also a good place to feel this problem out. They would have at least some record there
[06:37] <DaSkreech> pong
[06:37] <MidMark> DaSkreech: done, but nothing for now... thx anyway
[06:37] <hammer> who knows anything about irda?
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Did you get the hal build depend?
[06:38] <MidMark> DaSkreech: sorry?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> he asked for a Ssh login and you said you mailed him?
[06:38] <MidMark> yes
[06:38] <DaSkreech> did you set up the account as he asked?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> With cdrom group membership and the hal build dependencies ?
[06:39] <MidMark> what does it mean hal build dep?
[06:40] <bastid> and how would i install a 'video' driver.. when i try and scroll a webpage its all laggy like it installed a bad driver or not the right one
[06:40] <bastid> i have an ati x1300 agp
[06:41] <DaSkreech> MidMark: I would assume apt-get install hal-deve
[06:42] <MidMark> anyway I have mailed him to have a date for the login, because I'm not always online
[06:42] <DaSkreech> MidMark: libhal-dev sorry
[06:42] <MidMark> no response
[06:42] <DaSkreech> sure. Might take a little while :)
[06:43] <MidMark> DaSkreech: I love kubuntu, but there are too many regressions, it isn't possible to have this bug now that I don't have in Dapper...
[06:44] <DaSkreech> You burn a lot of DVDs?
[06:45] <MidMark> DaSkreech: yes and I have a lot of dvd-rw, but it also affects dvd-r
[06:45] <MidMark> they are all blank until I close them or add another session :(
[06:45] <DaSkreech> Two optical drives?
[06:46] <MidMark> I have only one drive, but in Windows the same dvd burned in linux are perfectly readable
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Yes I know it's a Linux problem :) but the fix is still forthcoming
[06:47] <DaSkreech> if you had two drives i would say use a Dapper live CD
[06:47] <brett> !ati
[06:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:47] <yahalom> my kopete wont send messages on the msn protcol. help plz.
[06:47] <DaSkreech> yahalom: join #kopete
[06:47] <brett> !help
[06:47] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:48] <yahalom> #kopete
[06:48] <yahalom> ok thanxc
[06:49] <MidMark> DaSkreech: thanx for your interest, hope to be contacted by Martin
[06:50] <MidMark> DaSkreech: thought also to backport my self hal, but I think can be a little risky :)
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Frontport hal? :-)
[06:51] <MidMark> :).... :(.... ;(
[06:53] <DaSkreech> X(
[06:53] <d0m1n8r> Question: there is no /dev/dsp on this distro. So how you make Teamspeak work?
[06:55] <narvik86> d0m1n8r: maybe try with /dev/dsp0 ?
[06:55] <d0m1n8r> no dsp* in dev
[06:56] <d0m1n8r> never mind.. there is a dsp there
[06:56] <d0m1n8r> think I mistyped before =
[06:56] <d0m1n8r> but now im more confused cuz not working =,(
[06:58] <narvik86> d0m1n8r: have you tried with /dev/dsp0 or 1? i am not sure which one
[06:58] <snpz> !xgl
[06:58] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[06:59] <d0m1n8r> nope trying now
[07:00] <narvik86> d0m1n8r: maybe try as root
[07:00] <narvik86> to run teamspeak
[07:00] <Martijn81> anyone knows a source for a LAME 3.97   September 24 2006 deb?
[07:00] <d0m1n8r> narvik86: will try =\
[07:02] <radius> quick question, xorg.conf seems to be configured properly for 1680x1050 but when i start up my session the screen looks bloated stretched - trying to fix it is not working - if i edit xorg.conf - it resorts back to old config - any help would be appreciated
[07:02] <radius> thanks
[07:03] <d0m1n8r> narvik86: Still nothing
[07:04] <d0m1n8r> I see something on the forums about alsa-wrapper but dont see it listed in package manager at all
[07:04] <narvik86> d0m1n8r: this teamspek is big(mbytes)? maybe i can download it and try if its not big
[07:05] <icheyne> Martijn81, http://rarewares.org/debian.html
[07:05] <icheyne> maybe?
[07:05] <d0m1n8r> fairly small..
[07:05] <narvik86> i will try
[07:06] <d0m1n8r> Thanks.. I can hear my self on speakers but teamspeak is just not picking up the mic for some reason
[07:06] <rahmetli> where is newsticker conf files or how can i backup my newsticker configuration?
[07:07] <narvik86> d0m1n8r: i am downloading ts
[07:07] <Search4Lancer> here's an annoyance: before the upgrade, when I would click on a link, whether it be from here in Konversation, or in an email in Thunderbird, it would open in Firefox in the background. Now, after the upgrade, when I click on a link, it brings the Firefox window to the front - how do I stop that?
[07:07] <Martijn81> thanks icheyne, site is dead though
[07:08] <d0m1n8r> narvik86: Looks like its 7MB big. maybe a bit much for 56K
[07:09] <yahalom> where can i change the kdm theme from?
[07:09] <n0va> Hi all, everytime I do an apt-get I get this "Segmentation fault (core dumped)" any ideas?
[07:10] <uwe2> hi zusammen
[07:11] <DaSkreech> KDE theme manager
[07:11] <DaSkreech> yahalom: ^^^
[07:11] <d0m1n8r> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22120
[07:12] <rahmetli> where is newsticker conf files or how can i backup my newsticker configuration?
[07:13] <TheMole> Hi, sound keeps breaking on my edgy box. When i try to play something with xmms it will play fine then just randomly it will say "failed to initialise ALSA mixer"
[07:13] <TheMole> Anybody have any ideas?
[07:13] <yahalom> d0m1n8r: thanx
[07:18] <narvik86> d0m1n8r: few seconds left
[07:20] <slow-motion> bye
[07:21] <d0m1n8r> narvik86: any luck?
[07:22] <narvik86> d0m1n8r: same as you, i can hear myself on speakers, but when try to record and listen to that is silence
[07:22] <narvik86> d0m1n8r: i can't even use skype :/
[07:26] <ubuntu__> how do i add dvdrom repository to adept
[07:26] <narvik86> d0m1n8r: skype works
[07:27] <d0m1n8r> narvik86: =\
[07:28] <d0m1n8r> narvik86: link for teamspeak site? goteamspeak.com
[07:29] <d0m1n8r> ubuntu__: you mean how to select the DVD Rom to install a package or how to install a DVD codec?
[07:30] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: apt-cdrom
[07:30] <DaSkreech> d0m1n8r: Thanks :)
[07:30] <DaSkreech> hi tackat
[07:34] <tackat> hi DaSkreech
[07:35] <tackat> DaSkreech: Had to take care of the LinuxWorldExpo KDE booth recently
[07:42] <DaSkreech>  How'd that turn out tackat?
[07:45] <tackat> DaSkreech: well
[07:46] <JacquelineG> i have an intel pentium d 2.8g what version of kubuntu do i want?
[07:46] <DaSkreech> LinuxWorld hasn't gone yet?
[07:47] <Dr_willis> JacquelineG,  Dapper is the Long term support version.. edgy is the latest/greatest..   you decide. :)
[07:47] <Dr_willis> id go with Edgy 6.10 version
[07:48] <JacquelineG> dr willis, im speaking of 64 bit and whatnot
[07:48] <Dr_willis> 64bit is not worth screwing with.
[07:48] <Dr_willis> unless you really have a need for the benifits you get.
[07:48] <JacquelineG> whats wrong with it?
[07:48] <Dr_willis> and want to deal with the other issues.
[07:49] <DaSkreech> JacquelineG: In short non open source drivers
[07:49] <Dr_willis> lots of annoyances/issues/quirks.. and i gained nothing from using it.. so i never use 64bit any more on any of my machines.
[07:49] <Dr_willis> perhaps in a year or so i may try again.
[07:49] <Dr_willis> work time for me.. bbl.
[07:49] <JacquelineG> i wasnt aware 64 bit distros were still so far behind
[07:50] <JacquelineG> i thought they were pretty solid in the linux world
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Oh they are mstly ok as long as you can get the source code
[07:50] <DaSkreech> once you need say Flash or a Driver for your video card you are pretty much spiralling the drain
[07:54] <yahalom> i installed kdmtheme but  i cant find it, where is it meant to be
[07:54] <yahalom> ?
[07:54] <BluesKaj> I switched from the 64bit dapper to 32/ x86 cuz a lot of programs and some of my hardware didn't work on the 64 bit version
[07:55] <bluepyth> hello
[07:55] <bluepyth> I'm a new user of kubuntu Edgy Eft, and I've got a question ...
[07:56] <bluepyth> where can I find packages of blender ?
[07:57] <DaSkreech> yahalom: It should be in System Settings
[07:57] <DaSkreech> !blender
[07:57] <ubotu> blender is a free application for 3D modelling, animation, rendering, etc. You can install it from Ubuntu's repositories, and tutorials are at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro
[07:57] <bluepyth> thx ubotu
[07:57] <bluepyth> ^^
[07:57] <DaSkreech> heehee
[07:58] <BluesKaj> bots get thx too :)
[07:58] <bluepyth> lol
[07:58] <bluepyth> I didn't get that it's a bot... :$
[07:58] <kjelderg> this probably seems like a silly question, but how do I disable the screensaver?
[07:59] <voicu> yeah, it's very human like... totally creepy, it might become conscious someday :D
[08:00] <DaSkreech> !botsnack
[08:00] <bluepyth> lol voicu ^^
[08:00] <ubotu> Yum!
[08:00] <DaSkreech> AI training ;-)
[08:00] <kjelderg> !screensaver
[08:00] <bluepyth> ^^
[08:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screensaver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:00] <kjelderg> ubotu: you and me both
[08:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you and me both - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:01] <bluepyth> kjelderg: just have to go into system settings from the "start menu"
[08:01] <DaSkreech> kjelderg: Under System settings -> Desktop -> Screen Saver
[08:01] <DaSkreech> !es
[08:01] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[08:01] <bluepyth> and...
[08:02] <DaSkreech> !es | AzvLiTo
[08:02] <ubotu> AzvLiTo: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[08:02] <bluepyth> just do what DaSkreech said...
[08:02] <bluepyth> ^^
[08:02] <kjelderg> I went to the screen saver page in kcontrol and it says that it shouldn't be autostarting after some timeout
[08:02] <kjelderg> but it is starting
[08:02] <DaSkreech> Un check start automatically
[08:02] <smaggard> chello
[08:02] <AzvLiTo> DaSkreech:  ok .. gracias
[08:03] <bluepyth> thx for the help ubotu ^^ and thx to the others (the real ones :p)
[08:04] <bluepyth> bye all (I'm gonna eat, it's about 8 oclock in France ^^)
[08:04] <kjelderg> DaSkreech: it is unchecked
[08:04] <firebird619> In adept, when I select a package and request install, what does it mean when it says BREAK (install), and how can I fix that issue?
[08:05] <DaSkreech> firebird619: it means Bad Things (tm) will happen
[08:05] <kjelderg> firebird619: iirc, it means that the package conflicts with a currently installed package
[08:05] <DaSkreech> normally it's some misconfiguration
[08:06] <firebird619> Ok, Thank You.
[08:06] <___osh__> Has the screensaver-issue been fixed in edgy?
[08:06] <DaSkreech> firebird619: Look in details to see what is breaking
[08:07] <___osh__> Screensaver-issue = no screensaver except the one with the X-logo in kde.
[08:08] <kjelderg> hmm...different screensaver issue than mine :(  I'm having the "screensaver shows up even though it is disabled in kcontrol" issue
[08:08] <sdlnxgk> how do you get adept notifier to start  working again??
[08:08] <rahmetli> i cant find power management settings under system settings?
[08:09] <firebird619> DaSkreech: It doesn't specify what is breaking. I had Beryl installed, which I uninstalled and I now want to install Compiz. Compiz is what says BREAK (install).
[08:09] <rahmetli> i cant find power management settings under system settings?
[08:09] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli they should be under monitor settings in system settings
[08:09] <DaSkreech> firebird619: Ha ha :) ok try asking in #ubuntu-xgl
[08:10] <sdlnxgk> err display settings that is
[08:10] <firebird619> DaSkreech: Ok, Thank You.
[08:11] <fugitivo> hello
[08:11] <findme> hello all
[08:11] <DaSkreech> all isn't in right now. Can I take a message?
[08:12] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i have a loptop,i want to configure laptops power man. not the monitor.
[08:13] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli the power settings are under display settings in system settings
[08:13] <sdlnxgk> if you don't seeit there check for laptop power and settings icon
[08:14] <sdlnxgk> I know I have it and i'm not on my laptop at the moment
[08:15] <fugitivo> no firefox package for kubuntu?
[08:15] <rahmetli> i not looking for "power saving",i am looking for low battery level notification settings etc...
[08:15] <___osh__> kjelderg: the answer would be "no" then. Since we both have some problems with it... =)
[08:16] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli there  should be a separate icon in system settings for this called laptops & power
[08:16] <fugitivo> rahmetli: mine was detected at installation and is working fine
[08:16] <kjelderg> ___osh__: but it's possible (likely) that these are 2 different issues
[08:17] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i dont have an icon "laptops & power" and i was looking for that actually.
[08:17] <rahmetli> so how can i add that ?
[08:18] <DaSkreech> fugitivo: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[08:18] <trappist> fugitivo: of course there is
[08:18] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli no sure how to add should have  been dectected  when installed
[08:18] <rahmetli> i had a standard intallation,i have an asus laptop.
[08:18] <fugitivo> Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:19] <fugitivo> apt-cache search only shows this
[08:19] <fugitivo> mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb - Mozilla Firefox English language/region package
[08:20] <rahmetli> i had dapper before i didnt have this kind of problem,i have downloaded and installed edgy so the situation is this.
[08:20] <trappist> fugitivo: dapper?  edgy?  what repos do you have configured?  the package is in main
[08:20] <DaSkreech> fugitivo: sudo apt-get update
[08:20] <DaSkreech> trappist: I'm guessing he hasn't done an update yet
[08:20] <fugitivo> no idea, it's a fresh install :)
[08:20] <trappist> ah
[08:20] <DaSkreech> yup :)
[08:20] <fugitivo> i'll try apt-get update
[08:20] <DaSkreech> fugitivo: or reload in adept
[08:20] <fugitivo> it's edgy
[08:21] <derekS> is the a reason that in dapper, amarok requires gtk?
[08:22] <fugitivo> i'm a gentoo user looking for easy stuff for my desktop
[08:22] <Tm_T> derekS: gtkpod, ipod support.
[08:22] <derekS> yuck
[08:22] <dom> are we supposed to be using aptitude instead of apt-get?  I just ran across this page about them: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/aptitude
[08:23] <fugitivo> this Add/Remove programs thing return this error to me:
[08:23] <fugitivo> Su returned with an error
[08:24] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli have you did all the updates??
[08:24] <derekS> alright, well thanks for your help
[08:24] <rahmetli> i have formatted hd partition and installed the new edgy.
[08:24] <DaSkreech> fugitivo: close add remove
[08:24] <T3hWiz0rd> rawwr
[08:24] <T3hWiz0rd> !kde
[08:24] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[08:25] <fugitivo> any easy way to install ATI drivers for opengl?
[08:25] <trappist> !ati | fugitivo
[08:25] <DaSkreech> fugitivo: Alt+space and type adept
[08:25] <ubotu> fugitivo: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:25] <fugitivo> thanks
[08:26] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i have formatted hd partition and installed the new edgy from the CD
[08:27] <fugitivo> cool, this is easy & fast :)
[08:30] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli do you have an advanced tap in system settings???
[08:31] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk:  yes i have
[08:31] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli nothing about laptop power?
[08:32] <rahmetli> and yes, nothing about laptop power :(
[08:32] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: and yes, nothing about laptop power :(
[08:32] <petter_> hey everyone
[08:33] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli that is wierd reading about it now and kubuntu says it's a new power management system so should be installed
[08:33] <sdlnxgk> Hey petter_
[08:33] <petter_> hey
[08:34] <petter_> what is going on?
[08:34] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli ??? for you if you run the live cdrom do you get a power option then???
[08:34] <sdlnxgk> nothing much here just laptop power settings issues
[08:34] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: what kind of power option?
[08:35] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: there was a battery icon in the system tray
[08:35] <shnee> can any point me to a guide of help getting apollon and gift to work.....i ran gift-setup and forwarded all the ports but it wont connect to OpenFT or Guntella
[08:35] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli can you click on it?? and get some kind of properties box up??
[08:35] <sdlnxgk> i'm  booting up live cdrom on laptop now
[08:36] <kjelderg> shnee: it'd probably help to just look at giftd.  It's likely not related to apollon at all
[08:36] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i am checking.
[08:36] <kjelderg> giftd can be a pain to get working just right
[08:37] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i will reboot the system and come back...
[08:37] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli ok i'll be here
[08:38] <shnee> kjelderg, i ran giftd -v buy i didnt see anything that helps....the only thing i noticed is that it said "no host to try looking in gwebcaches"
[08:39] <rtj__> hello all
[08:40] <kjelderg> shnee: well, you'll have to find yourself a hostlist to get caches for searching the p2p, then
[08:45] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli found the  package
[08:45] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i have a battery icon in the sys try now
[08:45] <sdlnxgk> check your adept manager for kmenuedit and klaptopdaemon
[08:45] <fugitivo> damn, it didn't work
[08:45] <fugitivo> !ati
[08:45] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:46] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli cool if  you click on it should give you some  options then
[08:46] <rahmetli> 3 options very limited
[08:47] <sdlnxgk> hmmmm wierd
[08:47] <sdlnxgk> I have laptop & power in system settings
[08:47] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: suspen hibernate restore
[08:47] <sdlnxgk> then I  choose  laptop power
[08:48] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: yes i understand what you mean
[08:48] <windshear> anyone knows if there is a good tutorial on how to install (k)ubuntu from an usb stick (on any machine with same architecture)
[08:48] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: but i dont have it in my settings
[08:48] <sdlnxgk> I have battery, power control, low  battery  warning, low battery critical, button actions and ACPI config
[08:48] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: all i want
[08:48] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli check and see  if you have those packages
[08:48] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk:  :9
[08:48] <rahmetli> :)
[08:49] <rahmetli> i have installed those
[08:49] <sdlnxgk> what about right click on battery in system tray and choose  configure klaptop???
[08:50] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i am confused
[08:51] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: before i ask here,i have installed kpowersave
[08:51] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli on the bottom right system  tray klaptop is the app that shows battery power left
[08:52] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i have 2 app icons related to power management; "kpowersave" and "power manager"
[08:52] <sdlnxgk> hmmm should be klaptop
[08:52] <sdlnxgk> it might think your using a pc instead  of a laptop
[08:53] <sdlnxgk> if  I right click on the battery power  it lets me configure klaptop
[08:54] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: my dapper crashed after the upgrade,i have installed the edgy,edgy doesnt seem to be robust to me
[08:55] <easyrider1> hello all
[08:55] <pat_> hey
[08:55] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli I don't  have edgy installed yet, still waiting a while...  check for package laptop-detect ???
[08:55] <easyrider1> Having some major problems installing things
[08:56] <easyrider1> First of all, is there an alternative to adept? because adept sucks
[08:56] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i dont want to take your time.
[08:56] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: already installed.
[08:57] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli have nothing but time ;)
[08:57] <klerfayt> easyrider1: there is one, but it is gtk application
[08:57] <easyrider1> gtk?
[08:58] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli never had any problems with dapper  drake that why i'm still with it ;)
[08:58] <easyrider1> well I'm brand new so I'm not yet married to adept
[08:58] <easyrider1> dapper drake?
[08:58] <klerfayt> easyrider1: synaptic
[08:58] <easyrider1> synaptic?
[08:58] <easyrider1> where can i get it?
[08:58] <easyrider1> or do i already have it?
[08:58] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: what about upgrading?
[08:59] <klerfayt> easyrider1: if you hate adept so much then open konsole and type:   sudo apt-get install synaptic
[08:59] <sdlnxgk> !upgrading edgy
[08:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about upgrading edgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:59] <easyrider1> Thats my problem, whenever i upgrade, its successful 20% or the time
[08:59] <sdlnxgk> !edgy
[08:59] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[08:59] <easyrider1> it says command not found
[08:59] <sdlnxgk> that is my knowledge on edgy sorry :(
[08:59] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i have lost all the conf's and programs installed after upgrade
[09:00] <easyrider1> opps
[09:00] <klerfayt> easyrider1: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[09:00] <dgiulian> #lugna
[09:00] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli that is wierd everthing should still be there  unless you did a clean install
[09:00] <easyrider1> uh oh, it says i need to run dpkg
[09:01] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk:(i couldnt make system up again) i decided to download and install edgy
[09:01] <dgiulian> hi everyone
[09:01] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli maybe there is a way to go back but i'm not sure how you would do this
[09:01] <klerfayt> easyrider1: do you have adept running?
[09:01] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: "waste of CD edgy" my new slogan...
[09:01] <dgiulian> where can i found firefox2 repository?
[09:01] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli ahhhh ya fresh install wipes everything
[09:02] <easyrider1> ok done, but I really screwed things up when i tried to install java
[09:02] <ypsila> mon together
[09:02] <thrawn_> :)
[09:02] <easyrider1> its hanging up on a java applications all the time
[09:03] <ypsila> gna java
[09:03] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: after upgrade there were 3 couple of kernels in the grup menu
[09:03] <ypsila> easyrider1:  which java do you run?
[09:03] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: dapper was better 4 me.
[09:03] <easyrider1> Originally i installed the blackdown
[09:04] <easyrider1> then Adept prompted me to upgrade to sun jre5
[09:04] <easyrider1> I also run AMD64
[09:04] <ypsila> easyrider1: .oO sometimes java5 is running fine, sometimes it crashes a lot of things
[09:04] <trappist> easyrider1: I just run java from a 32bit chroot (since the browser plugin doesn't work in 64bit anyway)
[09:04] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli I haven't tried edgy yet but i'm so happy with dapper i'm  sticking with it
[09:04] <fred__> hey, does anyone know how to access the partition settings in Kubuntu?
[09:05] <fred__> or can that only be done when setting up
[09:05] <ypsila> sdlnxgk: stay with it!
[09:05] <easyrider1> yeah i downloaded the 64 bit version
[09:05] <sdlnxgk> easyrider1 try to remove or or reinstall java in adept
[09:05] <justin1278> hello
[09:05] <BluesKaj> easyrider1, java is one of quite a few programs that don't render correctly in 64 bit kubuntu
[09:05] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i dont want to return to opensuse, i like kubuntu
[09:05] <easyrider1> remove all of it?
[09:06] <justin1278> I am having issues setting beryl to startup with my system
[09:06] <justin1278> can somebody help me?
[09:06] <sdlnxgk> ypsila  you got that right !!!!  my mp3 player works with usb support off the bat ;)
[09:06] <justin1278> I am using Kubuntu 6.10
[09:06] <section58> anyone know how to get credtals automaticly allowed cause its on ad ?
[09:06] <BluesKaj> easyrider1, i did and installed the 32bit version on my AMD64 box and it runs great
[09:07] <BluesKaj> removed 64 that is
[09:07] <easyrider1> here we go again with this shit again, why the hell can't adept shut itself down all of the way?
[09:07] <BluesKaj> broken pkges ?
[09:07] <ypsila> sdlnxgk: I upgraded to edgy and I'm definetly thinking about downgrading, what I never ever did in my life before
[09:08] <easyrider1> broken packages
[09:08] <easyrider1> so how do i delete them?
[09:09] <easyrider1> It started working this way when adept wanted to upgrade java (from the original
[09:09] <sdlnxgk> rpsila I have never been one for bleeding edge technology for that reason.. i'm more of if it works for me i'm staying put ;)
[09:10] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli hope you get things worked out if not just reinstall  dapper ;)
[09:10] <sdlnxgk> ok Kubuntu land it's time for nap before going to the movies ;)
[09:10] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: the bad thing is my connection is very slow and i have lost the dapper cd :(
[09:10] <ypsila> sdlnxgk: I even waited for the release but..............
[09:11] <ypsila> rahmetli: uhuh, that is really bad
[09:11] <BluesKaj> easyrider1, click on adept in the top left ...there should be a list with "fix broken packages"
[09:12] <rahmetli> ypsila: u
[09:12] <rahmetli> ypsila: will you downgrade?
[09:12] <rahmetli> ypsila: :)
[09:13] <easyrider1> i'm looking in the left and its not saying fix broken packages
[09:15] <zokeber> hello
[09:15] <ypsila> rahmetli: not really at the moment, I was originally searching for an idiot-proof OS, and edgy did not hit it
[09:16] <rahmetli> ypsila: :)) you r getting closer to the target ;)
[09:17] <BluesKaj> ypsila, looking for idiot proof ...ain't no such animal
[09:18] <rahmetli> try bb command and enjoy :) i like it.
[09:18] <ypsila> BluesKaj:  I would like to get rid of some "daus" by installing an adminstrated kubuntu
[09:20] <BluesKaj> daus ?
[09:23] <rahmetli> firefox runs away in edgy? do we have any sol'n?
[09:23] <Kiryn> why when i do sudo apt-get install monodevelop it says its not in there :S
[09:24] <ypsila> BluesKaj: I don't know the english expression, ppl that do use computers without knowing nothing, hardly finding a button eg
[09:25] <_vge> "where's the anykey"
[09:25] <rahmetli> _vge: :)
[09:25] <easyrider1> Ok,  I finally did it
[09:25] <BluesKaj> ypsila, "newbie"
[09:26] <easyrider1> The most pain in the ass job of installing java is done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)
[09:26] <easyrider1> ok
[09:26] <easyrider1> now, I need to install lots of hardware drivers
[09:26] <rahmetli> easyrider1: well done.what is your next mission?
[09:26] <rahmetli> :)))
[09:27] <easyrider1> For example, there is a driver for my printer, but its only or red hat
[09:27] <BluesKaj> we have to live with java... it's a pita but ...
[09:27] <easyrider1> yeah
[09:27] <easyrider1> and javas graphics aren't exactly knock out
[09:28] <easyrider1> But i'd better stop slamming java or it'll quit working on me
[09:28] <rahmetli> easyrider1: go and get your coffee :P i wouldnt be bad after a java installation :)
[09:29] <Kiryn> java sucks anyways ;)
[09:29] <rahmetli> easyrider1: go and get your coffee :P it wouldnt be bad after a java installation :)
[09:29] <easyrider1> yeah
[09:29] <easyrider1> ty
[09:29] <easyrider1> Hey, just out of curiousity, does anyone in the room have a philips VOIP 321 phone?
[09:30] <easyrider1> This thing is wonderful, it works skype through my computer and works a regular phone, but......I can only find a windows driver :-[
[09:31] <ypsila> BluesKaj:  no not neewbies, that kind of ppl who always buy the newest, best and most expensive without a simple idea who and why it works
[09:31] <thingy> ypsila: yuppies!
[09:32] <easyrider1> by the way, thanks for all your help with java, and adept.  Perhaps its the java installation that made adept malfunction
[09:32] <ypsila> no
[09:33] <Ayabara> is there a way to hide the ~ backup files from view in kubuntu / konqueror?
[09:33] <ypsila> DAU = german and means the most stupid user you can imagine
[09:33] <BluesKaj> ypsila, "first on the block syndrome"  :)
[09:33] <easyrider1> DAU
[09:33] <easyrider1> What is the abbreviation for ypsila?
[09:34] <BluesKaj> dumpkopf
[09:34] <BluesKaj> ?
[09:34] <Search4Lancer> here's an annoyance: before the upgrade, when I would click on a link, whether it be from here in Konversation, or in an email in Thunderbird, it would open in Firefox in the background. Now, after the upgrade, when I click on a link, it brings the Firefox window to the front - how do I stop that?
[09:35] <easyrider1> oh see
[09:35] <BluesKaj> we call them "clueless early adopters"
[09:35] <LjL> we do?
[09:35] <easyrider1> that would be me, I mean i just installed linux saturday
[09:36] <rahmetli> I HATE EDGY.
[09:36] <BluesKaj> we in the audio game do
[09:36] <easyrider1> Its not that i have anything huge against windows, its just, with linux, I feel i get to really learn computing
[09:36] <BluesKaj> easyrider1, welcome ! :)
[09:36] <easyrider1> thank you
[09:37] <easyrider1> I always hear the Computer science majors raving about linux, so i had to see for myself
[09:37] <BluesKaj> I still use windows for some DVD stuff I can't do in edgy , but I almost have that problem solved too.
[09:37] <easyrider1> yeah,
[09:37] <easyrider1> There's a few things
[09:38] <icheyne> BluesKaj, what sort of dvd stuff?
[09:38] <easyrider1> For example, that phone i mentioned is (i think) only liscensed to mac or windows
[09:39] <BluesKaj> this a for the most part a very hepful community
[09:39] <BluesKaj> icheyne, avi file conversion and some divx that wouldn't work with devede24 or k3b
[09:39] <basse> hi, i just installed Kubuntu for my son's computer, and works quite nicely.. except nvidia drivers. i installed the nvidia-glx and kernel-common packages, but X complains about version mismatch. could someone give me a little hand here?
[09:40] <fmeissner> how do you set write permissions?
[09:40] <icheyne> BluesKaj, yes avi file conversion has been winding me up too
[09:40] <ypsila> easyrider1: there is no abbreviation for ypsila
[09:41] <icheyne> BluesKaj, I tried tovid, but it's not giving me consistent results, which wastes too much time
[09:41] <DaSkreech> basse: Hi
[09:41] <fmeissner> how do I set write permissions in Kubuntu?
[09:41] <fmeissner> like for hard drives
[09:41] <rahmetli> rebooting :) may change something :) edgy looks like windoze :P
[09:41] <LjL> !permissions
[09:41] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[09:42] <BluesKaj> agreed icheyne, I dropped tovid as well due to it's 50% failure rate
[09:42] <basse> DaSkreech: hi.. any idea on the driver thing? ;)
[09:42] <fyrmedic> I have a drive that is formatted with NTFS that was part of my windows installation originally. There are no system files, it is purely storage, but I can't set the permissions to allow me to add/delete files in kubuntu. Any ideas on how to overcome windows permissions?
[09:42] <BluesKaj> basse, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:42] <icheyne> BluesKaj, the annoying thing was that it did not recover from failures at all
[09:43] <BluesKaj> I've found devede24 quite good tho
[09:43] <Kiryn> i forgot how to open a file thats under root without doing sudo nano -w etc....
[09:43] <Ayabara> anyone know? is there a way to make ubuntu hide the ~ backup files from view?
[09:43] <icheyne> devede24 hmm. I'll check it out thx
[09:43] <BluesKaj> nonfree repos , icheyne
[09:43] <icheyne> BluesKaj, thanks :)
[09:45] <easyrider1> I was wondering, is it possible for MS office to read OS office?  I know that MS office can read os office
[09:45] <basse> ooh, i think i know what it is.. this could be legacy card :)
[09:46] <basse> it's old machine.. heh.. i followed the wiki page for nvidia instructions, and ofcourse they assume i have the latest and greatest..
[09:46] <BluesKaj> easyrider1, it's supposed to be back and forth readable afaik
[09:47] <BluesKaj> ok basse , do you still have windows on the HDD ?
[09:47] <easyrider1> ok good
[09:48] <easyrider1> the reason I ask is, supposing that I use OS office, and I go to my school's computer labs,,which runs windows
[09:48] <easyrider1> you see my concern
[09:48] <basse> BluesKaj: windows? hmm, no. i never had that.
[09:48] <DaSkreech> !nvidia > basse
[09:48] <BluesKaj> basse, any idea what the card model is ?
[09:49] <DaSkreech> !NTFS | fyrmedic
[09:49] <ubotu> fyrmedic: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[09:49] <basse> BluesKaj: i have to double check that..
[09:50] <BluesKaj> there are legacy drivers cuz a lot of ppl put kubuntu on older pcs cuz it runs so nicely on them
[09:50] <basse> thing is, no legacy package seems to be on apt
[09:50] <BluesKaj> I installed it on a 233mhz MMX 9yr old pc
[09:51] <BluesKaj> the nvidia driver site should have it
[09:51] <easyrider1> Blueskaj, is that a pentium II?
[09:51] <fyrmedic> !fuse
[09:51] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[09:52] <BluesKaj> it's pre p2
[09:52] <easyrider1> really?
[09:52] <easyrider1> wow
[09:52] <easyrider1> My dad has an old pentium II gateway
[09:52] <BluesKaj> an AT case and PSU
[09:52] <basse> BluesKaj: yes, i'm used to run debian.. so i might just do this the old fashion way and forget these apt packages :)
[09:52] <basse> i just thought it would be easy way to go
[09:52] <easyrider1> Also a new expensive Dell
[09:53] <easyrider1> But I have no idea what he'll do with the gateway
[09:53] <BluesKaj> well kubuntu / debian are clos cousins :)
[09:53] <BluesKaj> close
[09:53] <fyrmedic> DaSkreech: Thanks but I have them mounted and I can access the files.I just can't overcome ownership permissions.
[09:53] <easyrider1> I told him that if he used Linux, it would actually make that old machine worth a little more
[09:54] <easyrider1> I mean I like Kubuntu because my machine runs  lightning fast
[09:54] <BluesKaj> absolutely , kubuntu will run well if he chooses to run the lite version without much eyte candy
[09:54] <BluesKaj> eye candy
[09:54] <easyrider1> oh good
[09:55] <patlkli> re
[09:55] <DaSkreech> fyrmedic: look into ntfs3g
[09:55] <DaSkreech> easyrider1: You'd be right
[09:55] <fyrmedic> DaSkreech: ok I'll do that thanx
[09:55] <easyrider1> so just tone down the graphics a bit and, presto, turn a machine thats barely running into a good machine
[09:55] <BluesKaj> exactly
[09:55] <Kiryn> how do i release a lock on apt-get?
[09:56] <easyrider1> That machine was "upgraded" to windows 98, and by upgraded I really mean downgraded
[09:56] <Kiryn> ?
[09:56] <BluesKaj> Kiryn, shut down adept or synaptic if you still have one of them  open
[09:56] <Kiryn> im doing it through konsole
[09:56] <Kiryn> im new to linux
[09:57] <Kiryn> so i don't know how to shut down
[09:57] <BluesKaj> yes but do you have adept or synaptic open ....apt-get won't work
[09:57] <easyrider1> Is there a good book on all of the Konsole controls?  I would like to learn them
[09:57] <Kiryn> no i don't have them open
[09:58] <Kiryn> Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:58] <BluesKaj> !konsole
[09:58] <ubotu> konsole: X terminal emulator for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 710 kB, installed size 2192 kB
[09:58] <Kiryn> Unable to lock the list directory
[09:58] <BluesKaj> !commands
[09:58] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[09:59] <easyrider1> thanks for the info on commands
[09:59] <easyrider1> I'm starting a running list of useful commands
[10:00] <icheyne> Kiryn, are you using sudo apt-get install whatever?
[10:00] <Kiryn> sudo apt-get update
[10:00] <icheyne> tried a reboot?
[10:00] <Kiryn> i couldn't connect to a server so i closed the shell
[10:00] <Kiryn> about to right now
[10:01] <easyrider1> Is sudo apt-get update the same thing as if adept updates?
[10:04] <pete> easyrider1: Yes. aptitude/apt-get are just console equivelents to Adept/Synaptic. They do exactly the same thing.
[10:04] <pete> Adept just takes longer, since you have to wait for the whole GUI. By typing it, you save a lot of time.
[10:06] <FabioNET> pete adept/synaptic/aptitude/d-select all use dipendence dpkg ;-)
[10:06] <pete> meh
[10:06] <FabioNET> sorry my NEG
[10:07] <FabioNET> sorry my ENG
[10:07] <easyrider1> yeah
[10:07] <easyrider1> i tried it pete, the whole precess is over in half a second
[10:07] <easyrider1> I love it
[10:07] <Nookie> hi im trying to compile but getting this error:
[10:08] <Nookie> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
[10:08] <Nookie> For more details about this problem, l
[10:08] <Nookie> what is the package im missing?
[10:08] <pete> easyrider1: Yeah, I always do things via Konsole, it's generally much faster.
[10:08] <FabioNET> Nookie, tried update list by apt
[10:08] <FabioNET> "sudo apt-get update"
[10:09] <FabioNET> after "sudo apt.get install qt"
[10:09] <FabioNET> after "sudo apt-get install qt"
[10:09] <Nookie> FabioNET: thanx m8 will try
[10:10] <FabioNET> tnx ;-)
[10:10] <Kiryn> i did shutdown - h 5 but i restarted and it won't let me login, said shutdown in 3 minutes >.<
[10:10] <Kiryn> why does it still remember >.>
[10:11] <FabioNET> "sudo shutdown -h now" tried!!!
[10:19] <Admiral_Chicago> Kiryn: shutdown now is the command
[10:19] <Kiryn> i got it
[10:19] <Kiryn> i fucked up the sources.list >.<
[10:22] <LjL> !language | Kiryn
[10:22] <ubotu> Kiryn: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:22] <LjL> !source-o-matic | Kiryn
[10:22] <ubotu> Kiryn: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[10:22] <Kiryn> sorry
[10:23] <beefsprocket> anyone know how to get irssi to stop showing /join/part messages?
[10:25] <oli_> Hum... I just installed my ATi drive on Edgy Eft and I can't click on any of my KDE taskbar(mac-style one or bottom one) but I can moved between desktops and all, I can click on my application-menus on top, it all updates correctly but when I click on the taskbar, nothing happens!!
[10:25] <beefsprocket> nm, looks like /set is whta I need in irssi
[10:29] <trappist> beefsprocket: you can do it with /ignore
[10:30] <beefsprocket> trappist: yeah, but which part of ignore? heh, regexp?
[10:31] <trappist> beefsprocket: like, /ignore * JOINS PARTS QUITS
[10:31] <trappist> beefsprocket: /help levels
[10:31] <beefsprocket> trappist: just checking /help ignore
[10:31] <beefsprocket> thanks
[10:31] <lipe> Someone can tell me how can i add color in VIM ??
[10:31] <lipe> Someone can tell me how can i add color in VIM ?? please ...
[10:31] <fdoving> lipe: :syntax on
[10:32] <fdoving> you can put it in ~/.vimrc too.
[10:32] <beefsprocket> lipe: also, colorscheme and then use tab to choose
[10:32] <fdoving> echo 'syntax on' >> ~/.vimrc
[10:32] <lipe> thx u
[10:32] <lipe> thx u very much
[10:33] <Bubba_Gump> any ways to fix avi audio lag ??
[10:33] <trappist> Bubba_Gump: in what player
[10:33] <Bubba_Gump> kaffeine
[10:33] <Bubba_Gump> or vlc
[10:34] <trappist> try mplayer?
[10:34] <Bubba_Gump> yup
[10:34] <Bubba_Gump> same lag
[10:34] <BluesKaj> source-o-matic needs to be upgraded to include Edgy Repos ...why is it taking so long
[10:34] <trappist> Bubba_Gump: with all avi's, or just this one?
[10:34] <Bubba_Gump> with this one
[10:35] <Bubba_Gump> and, with another
[10:35] <trappist> Bubba_Gump: oh - might be hopeless, or you could try re-encoding with mencoder
[10:35] <beefsprocket> BluesKaj: if you don't have too many repos, use sed on your sources.list
[10:35] <Bubba_Gump> trappist: okay
[10:35] <trappist> sudo perl -pi -e 's/dapper/edgy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:35] <Al> Guys I have this problem. I had my laptop on earlier and turned it off to come home. I tried to log in and the screen flickered and returned me to the login screen. I cleaned up the disk (it's kinda small) and now I have more free space than I did when I last logged in. Now, when I log in, I don't get the desktop - I just get a Konsole window (with no window borders) and nothing else.
[10:35] <Al> I can run KDE apps from it, but again they have no windows
[10:36] <Al> I mean, no window borders
[10:36] <trappist> Al: are you sure it's konsole, or maybe xterm?
[10:36] <Al> It has a menu bar, and in the Settings menu is "Configure Konsole"
[10:36] <BluesKaj> beefsprocket, i have plenty ... prolly too many by the number of dupes it generates when update in apt..but I was thinking of those who ussing kubuntu for the first time
[10:36] <trappist> Al: run 'kwin'
[10:37] <Al> oo says cannot connect to X server
[10:37] <BluesKaj> who are using
[10:37] <trappist> Al: are you root or something?
[10:37] <Al> oops yeh
[10:37] <Al> ah, that got me window borders
[10:37] <Al> I don't have a desktop though
[10:37] <Al> kdesktop?
[10:37] <trappist> heh
[10:38] <trappist> not sure what that would be
[10:38] <Al> Also, what's broken it? :/
[10:38] <trappist> I dunno, it doesn't sound like you're actually running kde
[10:38] <beefsprocket> BluesKaj: take a look at this thread on the ubuntu-ca mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ca/2006-November/001315.html
[10:38] <trappist> try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart (that will kill your display and bring you back... in theory)
[10:38] <Al> ok
[10:39] <fdoving> Al: logout, select the menu button, then check that session type is 'KDE', not failsafe or anything else.
[10:39] <Sir_Brizz> hello everyone
[10:39] <beefsprocket> i wonder if Al cleaned up a piece of kubuntu-desktop?
[10:39] <Sir_Brizz> I have a taskbar panel that is seperate from the K bar, and when a program flashes it doesn't un-hide itself. Is there a way to fix that?
[10:40] <Al> Same thing happened.
[10:41] <Al> Well... I restarted and it dumped me to console
[10:41] <Al> Second try got me back to square 1
[10:41] <Al> It didn't give me any errors that I saw, though.
[10:41] <trappist> Al: how exactly did you clean up your drive?
[10:41] <beefsprocket> Al: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[10:41] <Al> i moved documents to an external disk
[10:41] <Al> I have / and /home on separate partitions
[10:42] <Al> yep
[10:42] <trappist> Al: if you create a new user, can you log in ok as him?
[10:43] <Al> I will try
[10:45] <Al> Yes.
[10:45] <Al> Works fine as this user
[10:46] <beefsprocket> Al: try moving your .kde directory to somewhere else (safe so you can restore if you need to), then login
[10:46] <trappist> yeah that
[10:46] <icheyne> I'm trying to install latest version of devede, but it won't start. Apparently it needs pygtk. How do I install it? I can't find it in the repositories.
[10:46] <Al> brb also
[10:46] <beefsprocket> Al: ?
[10:46] <beefsprocket> Al: wait
[10:47] <beefsprocket> Al: try chown -R al:al /home/al/*
[10:47] <beefsprocket> Al: insert your real username for "al" of course
[10:48] <Al> sorry, just went to the loo :>
[10:48] <Oli_> Hum... I just installed my ATi drive on Edgy Eft and I can't click on any of my KDE taskbar(mac-style one or bottom one) but I can moved between desktops and all, I can click on my application-menus on top, it all updates correctly but when I click on the taskbar, nothing happens!!
[10:50] <Al> ok then brbrbrbr
[10:50] <Electrolyte> Can anyone help me install the latest nvidia driver? I get an error saying an nvidia module is missing :/
[10:50] <Oli_> Can anyone help me?
[10:51] <eilker> !xubuntu > eilker
[10:51] <Al> roit
[10:52] <Al> neither of those worked :(
[10:54] <BluesKaj> icheyne, http://www.rastersoft.com/programas/devede.html
[10:54] <icheyne> Thanks BluesKaj I got it there, but I'm struggling with dependencies
[10:54] <icheyne> I'm getting there though
[10:54] <icheyne> I just need to know how to install glade
[10:55] <icheyne> or rather which one to get
[10:55] <BluesKaj> IC
[10:55] <icheyne> python-glade2?
[10:55] <icheyne> glade-2?
[10:55] <icheyne> glade-3
[10:57] <beefsprocket> Al: ouch
[10:57] <Al> I concur
[10:58] <Al> Why do I have .gnome2?
[10:58] <Sir_Brizz> it's magic
[10:58] <Bubba_Gump> the gnomes have learnt a new way to say hooooray?
[10:58] <Sir_Brizz> okay Al, is KDE not coming up?
[10:59] <jvives> what was the name of the bot again?
[10:59] <Al> If I log in as this test user, it works, but if I log in as my actual user, the startup splash screen doesn't show and I get no taskbar or window borders and it loads only Konsole
[10:59] <Sir_Brizz> wait, so the Graphical Login page comes up?
[10:59] <Al> yes
[10:59] <Sir_Brizz> hmm that's odd
[11:00] <Sir_Brizz> so kdm is obviously running
[11:00] <Sir_Brizz> how do you know it's Konsole that comes up?
[11:00] <Al> Before I moved some of my docs off of my home drive onto an external disk, it would just bottom out and return me to the logon screen
[11:00] <jvives> what should I do in order to play WMV files?
[11:00] <Al> So I figured it was a disk space problem
[11:00] <Bubba_Gump> !codecs
[11:00] <Sir_Brizz> !wmv > jvives
[11:00] <Al> But now I have more free space than I did last time I logged on
[11:00] <Sir_Brizz> !wmv
[11:01] <Sir_Brizz> hmm
[11:01] <Sir_Brizz> Al, it's not a window opening maximized, is it?
[11:01] <jvives> Sir_Brizz: that's why I first asked for the name of the bot... I was going to ask him...
[11:01] <Sir_Brizz> jvives, he's obviously not working...
[11:01] <Al> No, Konsole opens at the standard size but locked to the top left
[11:01] <jvives> damn
[11:01] <Al> if I run kwin I get window borders
[11:01] <Sir_Brizz> Al, okay so KDE runs fine, but nothing comes up except a Konsole window?
[11:02] <Al> yeah
[11:02] <Al> With its menu bar, but no borders
[11:02] <Al> Also, the display resolution is wrong
[11:03] <Sir_Brizz> Al, did you install XGL or something?
[11:03] <Al> nope
[11:03] <Sir_Brizz> new ATI drivers?
[11:03] <Al> Not on this laptop :x
[11:03] <Al> nothing new recently
[11:03] <Sir_Brizz> hmm
[11:04] <Sir_Brizz> it sounds like when you run Beryl and it doesn't do anything
[11:04] <Sir_Brizz> window decorations aren't working
[11:07] <BluesKaj> icheyne, the devede tar is self extracting/installing and it should come with all the required dependencies
[11:07] <Al> OK trying something else
[11:07] <icheyne> BluesKaj, it does not
[11:08] <icheyne> BluesKaj, but thanks for looking anyway
[11:09] <faderhval> Hi... i have downloaded the kubuntu 6.10 livecd does it have a bootloader like lilo so i can have more than one system???
[11:09] <BluesKaj> are you doing the konsole install tar xvjf ? ... i merely extracted in the home file taht i DL'd it to and inside the extracted file the "DEVEDE Desktop" icon opens the program
[11:10] <icheyne> BluesKaj, that's exactly what I did
[11:10] <BluesKaj> didn't use the konsole
[11:11] <icheyne> BluesKaj, which version? I am using the latest one
[11:11] <BluesKaj> 2.6
[11:11] <BluesKaj> i just DL'd it from that site
[11:11] <icheyne> BluesKaj, what can I say?
[11:12] <icheyne> BluesKaj, thanks anyway mate. I'm going to abandon for now. I have a policy that if I can't get something that should be simple going in 10 minutes, then it's not worth it. I am sure that saves me a lot of bother in the long run!
[11:13] <icheyne> BluesKaj, wtf can't he give a deb out like every one else?
[11:13] <icheyne> ok night all
[11:15] <harmental> i have to say im quite surprised by all discouraging opinions about upgrading to edgy
[11:20] <darkx> hi
[11:20] <Bubba_Gump> i'd say egdy is fine OS
[11:20] <darkx> i mesed up a driver can somone help me.. pls
[11:20] <darkx> :)
[11:25] <mulder> Hello all. I need help with camorama?
[11:25] <grommit> hi guys, anyone got time to help? I got fresh install of 6.10 but seem unable to connect to repostitories.?
[11:31] <__fn0rd__> how come i cant acsess my folder on kubuntu?
[11:31] <__fn0rd__> folders*
[11:32] <Itcharlie> hi all
[11:32] <Itcharlie> have any of you guys install a printer from a share
[11:32] <__fn0rd__> my 2 top folders are home and media
[11:33] <__fn0rd__> i need to acsess usr root etc.etc...
[11:33] <flaccid> !root
[11:34] <__fn0rd__> i can acsess tehm all from a terminal but not from the gui
[11:35] <__fn0rd__> is anyone actualy in here?
[11:36] <SortOfThing> :)
[11:36] <Lynoure> yes, but going soon...
[11:36] <SortOfThing> I'm also interesting by the answer
[11:36] <SortOfThing> interestED
[11:37] <__fn0rd__> i should have root acsess my user name is the first one that i intstalled with and the only user name
[11:37] <Lynoure> __fn0rd__: what did you need to access and what ore the permissions?
[11:38] <Lynoure> __fn0rd__: indeed, you should have sudo.
[11:38] <__fn0rd__> i just iopen itnstalled aircrack and want to
[11:38] <__fn0rd__> i just installed aircrack and want to open it
[11:38] <Lynoure> oh, then you should be skilled enough to manage :)
[11:39] <visik7> anyone using vista+kubuntu ? grub is unable to boot vista
[11:39] <__fn0rd__> sorry my keyboard messes up alot due to wines pillage
[11:39] <SortOfThing> huhu
[11:39] <kjelderg> visik7: you mean vista is unable to be chainloaded?
[11:39] <visik7> kjelderg: I suppose
[11:39] <BluesKaj> visik7, was vista installed after kubuntu or before ?
[11:39] <visik7> before
[11:39] <kjelderg> can't really say I've ever heard of such an issue
[11:40] <kjelderg> what happens when it tries?
[11:40] <visik7> when I select vista from grub the system reboot
[11:40] <__fn0rd__> try to reinstall vista
[11:40] <SortOfThing> It's a brand new behavior with Edgy! I don't really know why but you can see more than media and home folders in konqueror :(
[11:40] <kjelderg> what is the stanza for booting vista?
[11:40] <visik7> kjelderg: stanza ?
[11:40] <SortOfThing> you can'T
[11:41] <kjelderg> visik7: the boot loading commands that you are issuing to grub
[11:41] <__fn0rd__> <---hurts knuckles punching monitor
[11:41] <Lynoure> SortOfThing: sound bad. But luckily there is the command line.
[11:41] <BluesKaj> vista has a recovery disk or partition ...you may need to use a partition program to reactivate Vista
[11:41] <visik7> kjelderg: edgy installation put it there
[11:42] <visik7> btw nevermind I've removed vista
[11:42] <kjelderg> question still stands
[11:42] <__fn0rd__> mine too
[11:42] <BluesKaj> edgy should not have made vista inaccessible
[11:42] <BluesKaj> edgy install, that is
[11:43] <kjelderg> maybe the installer has evolved into an AI?
[11:43] <Itcharlie> I am trying to add a printer
[11:43] <visik7> BluesKaj: maybe is vista that won't  boot from grub for security reasons
[11:43] <Itcharlie> in kubuntu
[11:43] <Itcharlie> from windows
[11:43] <SortOfThing> Lynoure: of course. I guess /usr /etc ... should not be seen by non advanced users. It's a logical choice but I didn't found of to restore the old behavior
[11:43] <SortOfThing> -of +how
[11:43] <kjelderg> wonder if anyone's thought of a cobuntu
[11:43] <Sir_Brizz> co?
[11:43] <kjelderg> colinux
[11:44] <Sir_Brizz> ah
[11:44] <Lynoure> SortOfThing: I'd want to restore it too, were I on edgy.
[11:44] <kjelderg> would be kinda slick
[11:44] <visik7> I wonder if  colinux can run on vista
[11:44] <Lynoure> SortOfThing: what happens if you type the full path into konq?
[11:45] <isaac_> marius_ no me funciona ni el kopete ni el gaim:(
[11:45] <BluesKaj> visik7, i used vista in a dual boot with dapper for a short time , didn't have a problem with grub
[11:45] <marius_> no es este canal, isaac
[11:45] <marius_> es kubuntu-es
[11:45] <visik7> BluesKaj: maybe is a rtm feature
[11:45] <marius_> vete al de espaol
[11:45] <isaac_> aja
[11:46] <kjelderg> I wonder if the Zune works with Vista
[11:46] <__fn0rd__> is there any comand to open a prog from a shell into a gui window?
[11:46] <BluesKaj> but i had installed vista after dapper so , dunno maybe there is a security issue with newer vista releases
[11:46] <kjelderg> __fn0rd__: how do you mean?
[11:46] <kjelderg> __fn0rd__: GUI apps from the shell should start on the display specified by DISPLAY
[11:46] <Lynoure> __fn0rd__: yes, the program name.
[11:47] <Sir_Brizz> I think he measn so he doesn't lose control of the terminal :)
[11:47] <kjelderg> & ?
[11:47] <Sir_Brizz> ^^
[11:47] <__fn0rd__> i want ot open aircrack under kubuntu but my computers hidding all system folders form me
[11:47] <Sir_Brizz> ~$ <progname> &
[11:48] <pacman> stupid question, but I figure here's a good place to ask....
[11:48] <pacman> If I buy an iPod, will I be able to load music on it from kubuntu?
[11:48] <kjelderg> yes
[11:48] <kjelderg> (try gtkpod or amarok or whatnots)
[11:48] <pacman> sweet
[11:48] <visik7> btw vista is unusable the interface flood the user with text and it's incoherent
[11:49] <pacman> vista is going to suck worse than ME
[11:49] <BluesKaj> yuk
[11:49] <__fn0rd__> fnord@fnord-laptop:~$ ~$ aircrack &
[11:49] <pacman> ME=Melinium Edition...not ME as in pacman
[11:49] <__fn0rd__> like that?
[11:49] <Sir_Brizz> no
[11:50] <BluesKaj> I wasn't impressed with vista RC
[11:50] <visik7> pacman: xp is far better than vista
[11:50] <__fn0rd__> or  ME as in maine which also sucks
[11:50] <Sir_Brizz> ~$ was meant to illustrate you are at the command line :)
[11:50] <Sir_Brizz> just <progname> &
[11:50] <__fn0rd__> ahh
[11:50] <pacman> visik7: right, but XP is far superior to ME
[11:50] <visik7> pacman: yes it is
[11:50] <kjelderg> wonder if they have a backup like they did when they released ME
[11:50] <BluesKaj> I think Maine is a neat state
[11:50] <pacman> ME is the standard for crappy windows software
[11:50] <visik7> btw kubuntu rule the world :)
[11:50] <Sir_Brizz> I never had problems with ME, personally
[11:51] <kjelderg> continue using XP doesn't seem like a reasonable solution...and if vista is problematic, then ...
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Canucks like Maine :)
[11:51] <__fn0rd__> i live in maine its actually is pretty damn cool just boring
[11:51] <pacman> I've been Microsoft-free for almost a year now, and I've never been happier
[11:51] <BluesKaj> absolutely , if gotta use windows stick with XP
[11:51] <visik7> pacman: me too just curious about vista
[11:52] <Kiryn> pacman, I'm happy to be using Microsoft :)
[11:52] <pacman> everything about Vista seems rushed...in a hurry to get it released
[11:52] <BluesKaj> vista is eye candy but a hog
[11:52] <Sir_Brizz> I would go all-Linux if it weren't for the dang games
[11:52] <visik7> the network wizard of vista doesn't contemplate wired networking only wireless vpn dialup and broadband no LAN !!!!
[11:52] <__fn0rd__> whats some cool eyecandy for ubuntu?
[11:52] <Kiryn> i rather stick to Windows
[11:52] <kjelderg> a lot of games for linux, I think
[11:52] <Sir_Brizz> __fn0rd__: Beryl
[11:52] <Sir_Brizz> kjelderg: about 1/1000000th of the ones for Windows
[11:52] <Kiryn> cause Mono will always be behind
[11:53] <kjelderg> Sir_Brizz: quality, mate, not quantity
[11:53] <Sir_Brizz> kjelderg: :) Well the games I like are mostly windows
[11:53] <kjelderg> and even in quantity, I have over 4k games on my linux box
[11:53] <Sir_Brizz> only about 1 out of every 20 good games works in Linux
[11:53] <Sir_Brizz> and Cedega is a poor solution
[11:53] <kjelderg> lot of fun games, I think
[11:53] <Sir_Brizz> hehe
[11:53] <Sir_Brizz> like KillBill?
[11:53] <Sir_Brizz> ;)
[11:53] <Kiryn> nothing will ever get me to switch to linux fully
[11:53] <kjelderg> like Grand Theft Auto series :)
[11:54] <Kiryn> i use linux but rarely
[11:54] <Sir_Brizz> hah
[11:54] <kjelderg> shooting people is a good way to pass times
[11:54] <Sir_Brizz> is that through Cedega?
[11:54] <kjelderg> neg
[11:54] <Sir_Brizz> hehe
[11:54] <Sir_Brizz> well I have a variety of games
[11:54] <Sir_Brizz> Supreme Commander won't work in Linux
[11:54] <Sir_Brizz> and probably never will
[11:54] <kjelderg> never heard of it
[11:54] <Sir_Brizz> Call of Duty 1/2
[11:55] <Kiryn> i love Call Of Duty 3
[11:55] <Sir_Brizz> thankfully, UT2004 does work in Linux
[11:55] <Kiryn> Video games aren't suppose to be for Linux
[11:55] <bLaZeD> hello all im kinda having a prob........ive come home from being out all day and my computer is totaly frozen......... this has happened probly 5 times in the last 2 weeks......im trying to find out more info on what is causing this....any ideas where to start.....my kern.log doesnt seem to have any info...normal stuff then it stops....then the next entry is my hitting the power button
[11:55] <Kiryn> I thought linux was mainly a development machine
[11:56] <Sir_Brizz> Kiryn: why not?
[11:56] <Kiryn> its graphics don't carry enough support
[11:56] <Sir_Brizz> OpenGL is as far as DirectX is, it's just pickier and developers like it less because of that
[11:56] <kjelderg> huh, one of the first google results searching for supreme commander is "Anyone else disappointed with Supreme Commander?"
[11:56] <kjelderg> guess I'll skip that game
[11:56] <Kiryn> DirectX is what makes the games, linux doesn't support it
[11:56] <__fn0rd__> sir brizz i checked the repos for beryl and no luck is it somewhere else?
[11:56] <Kiryn> thats why
[11:56] <Sir_Brizz> kjelderg: heh, you believe everything you read on google search results? :)
[11:56] <kjelderg> yup
[11:56] <kjelderg> every word
[11:56] <Sir_Brizz> __fn0rd__: it's kinda tricky to install
[11:57] <Kiryn> if linux supported it then probably yeah, but DirectX is better than OpenGL
[11:57] <Sir_Brizz> Kiryn: as I said, SDL and OpenGL are as good as DirectX
[11:57] <kjelderg> each has its good and bad, I think
[11:57] <Kiryn> I find DirectX better
[11:57] <Sir_Brizz> DirectX is certainly easier to code on
[11:57] <Kiryn> yeah
[11:57] <kjelderg> I've heard dozens of professional game designers say it both ways
[11:57] <__fn0rd__> damn im still a newbeng quick i think ill wait thoue but learni
[11:58] <Sir_Brizz> yah, but most of the develoeprs that like OpenGL like it because it's OSS more than that it is easier to code for
[11:58] <__fn0rd__> still a newbee but im learning quick i think ill wait
[11:58] <kjelderg> they're all "oGL gives us better low-level control" and then "DirectX gives us better high-level tools to get hings done faster"...
[11:58] <Kiryn> I hate OSS to a point
[11:58] <__fn0rd__> really need a new keybored
[11:58] <BluesKaj> well if yer a gamer ...then yer not a serious computer user ...altho you can be both , just don't expect linux to help the game cos to make a profit
[11:58] <Sir_Brizz> kjelderg: indeed
[11:58] <Sir_Brizz> I'm a gamer and a serious computer user :)
[11:58] <Sir_Brizz> I think it's probably more likely that a gamer will be a superuser than the average computer user
[11:59] <Kiryn> so i see really no point in linux being for games
[11:59] <Sir_Brizz> why?
[11:59] <__fn0rd__> i heard a rumer bill gates bought up suse's stock and now owns a major percent,is this true?
[11:59] <BluesKaj> wth is "superuser"...another one of those gamerz terms ? :)
[11:59] <bLaZeD> and in my messages log i see this http://pastebin.ulteo.us/228 ...im not sure if that is normal...or if it isnt what is causing this?
[11:59] <Sir_Brizz> no, obviously it means someone that knows how to use a computer
[12:00] <Kiryn> okay say Linux ran games, they would be slow as fuck
[12:00] <Sir_Brizz> why?
[12:00] <Sir_Brizz> I get BETTER frames per second in Linux on UT2004 than on Windows
[12:00] <kjelderg> I prefer a linux(like) platform for games as it has a better (subjective) driver architecture
[12:00] <BluesKaj> he entered into an agreement with novell
[12:00] <__fn0rd__> are there any good linux games in the repos?like with 3d?even wolfinstien quality or doom would be perfect
[12:00] <kjelderg> gives it substantially better graphics support than windows
[12:00] <BluesKaj> gates did
[12:01] <Sir_Brizz> yah
[12:01] <Sir_Brizz> Novell sucks
[12:01] <kjelderg> __fn0rd__: get wolfenstein, then?
[12:01] <Sir_Brizz> their headquarters are up the street from my office
[12:01] <Sir_Brizz> they have been laying off people like crazy
[12:01] <Kiryn> the wine app is a joke
[12:01] <Riddell> __fn0rd__: doom is in the archivve
[12:01] <__fn0rd__> cool
[12:01] <Riddell> __fn0rd__: but without the level data
[12:02] <__fn0rd__> what does this mean for linux users i heard he could make people pay for linux?
[12:02] <Sir_Brizz> nah
[12:02] <__fn0rd__> where do i put the level data? is that a wad file or something?
[12:02] <Sir_Brizz> it really means nothing other than that Novell is destitue and scrambling to get any funding
[12:02] <Sir_Brizz> GOOD BYE SUSE
[12:02] <kjelderg> __fn0rd__: some of us already do pay for linux
[12:02] <BluesKaj> suse yast sucks as repos system
[12:02] <Sir_Brizz> yes, it does
[12:02] <__fn0rd__> :0
[12:03] <kjelderg> gets the job done
[12:03] <Sir_Brizz> SuSE sucks in nearly every regard
[12:03] <kjelderg> beats windows repo system
[12:03] <nekez> sup
[12:03] <Kiryn> i love SUSE
[12:03] <Sir_Brizz> file system, file locations, ETC
[12:03] <nekez> hey whats the stable release atm???
[12:03] <Kiryn> 10.2
[12:03] <nekez> is that edgy thing stable
[12:03] <kjelderg> yup
[12:03] <Kiryn> oh nvm
[12:03] <bimberi> nekez: Edgy 6.10
[12:03] <nekez> Download Kubuntu 6.06.1 LTS (Dapper)
[12:03] <Sir_Brizz> SuSE is terrible
[12:03] <nekez> bimberi ah
[12:03] <Kiryn> I enjoy it
[12:03] <kjelderg> what's so wrong with SuSE?
[12:03] <Sir_Brizz> possibly the worst Distro ever
[12:03] <Sir_Brizz> it's completely non-standard
[12:03] <nekez> and is there any documentation for getting yahoo dsl to work with it??
[12:03] <Kiryn> the worst is um Debian
[12:03] <kjelderg> Fast, stable...
[12:04] <nekez> ~_~
[12:04] <kjelderg> supports the pSeries here
[12:04] <Sir_Brizz> it's for the dumbest computer user in the world and fails at just about everything compared to other distros
[12:04] <nekez> Kiryn ubuntu is debian
[12:04] <nekez> with  a twist
[12:04] <Kiryn> i know
[12:04] <nekez> and some incompatability
[12:04] <nekez> ~_____~
[12:04] <Sir_Brizz> Debain isn't bad
[12:04] <Sir_Brizz> Debian*
[12:04] <Kiryn> but debian itself is crap, ubuntu is a better version of debian
[12:04] <Sir_Brizz> yes but Debian isn't as bad as SuSE
[12:04] <kjelderg> now if a debian had good support...that might catch on
[12:04] <Kiryn> I like Gentoo better than Ubuntu imho
[12:05] <Sir_Brizz> Nereid, LOL
[12:05] <Sir_Brizz> I like Gentoo as well, but it's a lot of wasting time to get setup
[12:05] <Sir_Brizz> I don't have time to compile every package
[12:05] <Kiryn> yeah thats the bad thing but after that its better
[12:05] <kjelderg> huh, I use gentoo here at work, doesn't seem to be much trouble to administer
[12:06] <Sir_Brizz> I use Kubuntu at work
[12:06] <Kiryn> its nothing bad after the install
[12:06] <Lynoure> good time to go to sleep, I've seen too many pointless distro wars in my life already :)
[12:06] <kjelderg> my right machine is kubuntu, the left is gentoo
[12:06] <Kiryn> i use Windows XP :)
[12:06] <kjelderg> ... stuck in linux here :(
[12:06] <Sir_Brizz> Ubuntu's biggest strength is it's community
[12:07] <Kiryn> I can't keep a linux installed longer than maybe 5-7 days without something breaking
[12:07] <Aondo> kjelderg  are you dead? becaus i think you are stuck in heaven then :D
[12:07] <kjelderg> Aondo: I'd rather use other things, but ... linux it is
[12:07] <Aondo> :)
[12:07] <kjelderg> with all of its faults and quirks
[12:07] <Kiryn> i don't like constantly looking through a app to get all my downloads. its good at times but very annoying.
[12:07] <Sir_Brizz> HAH!
[12:08] <kjelderg> something about "linux developers need to run linux" or some'n' like that
[12:08] <Sir_Brizz> XP has no faults and quirks?
[12:08] <kjelderg> I didn't understand the whole thing
[12:08] <Kiryn> it does to a point
[12:08] <kjelderg> Sir_Brizz: huh?
[12:08] <Sir_Brizz> or did you want to use BeOS? ;)
[12:08] <kjelderg> there are other OSen
[12:08] <Kiryn> look Mono will never be better than .NET
[12:08] <Sir_Brizz> so?
[12:08] <kjelderg> a nice unix would be much more comfortable
[12:08] <Sir_Brizz> I hate Unix
[12:08] <Kiryn> Why use a imutation than the real thing :S
[12:08] <kjelderg> Kiryn: :)
[12:09] <Kiryn> im bad at spelling
[12:09] <T3hWiz0rd> in soviet russia, unix hate you.
[12:09] <ehird> lol, troll
[12:09] <Sir_Brizz> why write apps in .NET anyway? :p
[12:09] <Kiryn> Sir_Brizz, easier
[12:09] <Sir_Brizz> :)
[12:09] <Kiryn> easier to gcode than in C++
[12:09] <Kiryn> code*
[12:09] <ehird> lol.
[12:09] <Kiryn> no stupid pointers
[12:09] <Sir_Brizz> uhhh
[12:09] <ehird> if you're looking for easier to code, check out ruby.
[12:09] <nekez> sigh
[12:09] <Kiryn> auto garbage
[12:09] <Kiryn> heap
[12:09] <kjelderg> [18:08]  <Kiryn> im bad at spelling
[12:09] <nekez> ok then sorry had to adjust settings./.......
[12:09] <Sir_Brizz> are you trying to talk about C#?
[12:09] <nekez> the edgy is stable or no?
[12:09] <Kiryn> ruby meh i hate it
[12:10] <fdoving> nekez: it is.
[12:10] <Kiryn> I'm a C# programming and VB.NET
[12:10] <ehird> Kiryn: how about assembly?
[12:10] <nekez> kk
[12:10] <Kiryn> assembly is a pain to use
[12:10] <kjelderg> nekez: is
[12:10] <Sir_Brizz> Kiryn: C# != .NET
[12:10] <ehird> POP, PUSH, BASH, DIE, EAT-CHEESE, all easy, assmebly rawkz!!
[12:10] <fdoving> !offtopic | kiryn, ehird
[12:10] <ehird> <.<
[12:10] <ehird> lol @ bot not working.
[12:10] <kjelderg> .NET is a pretty good idea ...that mono is wonderful
[12:10] <Kiryn> i used to love C++ but now i can't stand it one bit
[12:11] <ehird> how about BASIC? :D
[12:11] <kjelderg> Kiryn: too much language for you?
[12:11] <Kiryn> .NET > mono
[12:11] <fdoving> ehird: you get the idea. #programming or #kubuntu-offtopic is a better place for this kind of discussion.
[12:11] <Sir_Brizz> I like C#, personally. But C# is not .NET, you can use .NEt with C#, but C# isn't .NET
[12:11] <Kiryn> fdoving, i don't see no one else talking about anything else?
[12:11] <ehird> fdoving: but the trolls are so nice to feed =(
[12:11] <kjelderg> so, what's causing my screensaver to come on?
[12:11] <Kiryn> im not trolling douche
[12:11] <kjelderg> I have it disabled in kcontrol
[12:12] <__fn0rd__> so still no advice on acsessing my folders under a gui?
[12:12] <kjelderg> I xset s off as well
[12:12] <Kiryn> they brought up the convo so i kept it going
[12:12] <kjelderg> __fn0rd__: konqueror?
[12:12] <fdoving> Kiryn: that's not the point. If the channel is full of offtopic things no one even tries to ask a question.