[12:31] <aquarius> What's the best way, from a script, to test whether I'm running on Ubuntu? For Debian I'd look for /etc/debian_version
[12:32] <mjg59> lsb-version ought to tell you
[12:32] <ogra> actually lsb_release :)
[12:33] <ivoks> lsb_release -c
[12:33] <ogra> i.e. lsb_release -is
[12:33] <ivoks> or that :)
[12:33] <ogra> -c will only show the codename :)
[12:33] <aquarius> cool. When did that first appear in Ubuntu? Right from the beginning?
[12:33] <ogra> yep
[12:34] <aquarius> nice. So if it doesn't exist then I can assume I'm not on Ubuntu at all. Superb; that'll make the Jokosher install script work much more nicely :)
[12:34] <ogra> debian has it as well ... so if you depend on the lsb stuff you can use it there too
[12:35] <ogra> they are multilingual :)
[12:35] <Keybuk> they still have inappropriate Ks in their name
[12:35] <Keybuk> klassroom
[12:35] <_ion> Hehe.
[12:36] <Keybuk> (surprisingly, that isn't one -- but it should be!)
[12:36] <ivoks> koqueror :)
[12:36] <minghua> maybe there spelling education apps ignore inappropriate K's, who knows :-P
[12:36] <_ion> en_US, en_GB, en_KDE
[12:37] <dsas> Does kde when translated in other applications still retain the 'K' thing?
[12:37] <Riddell> dsas: tragically yes
[12:37] <dsas> s/applications/languages
[12:37] <Riddell> dsas: this even goes as far as adding the letter K to Welsh which never previously had it in their alphabet
[12:37] <ogra> Riddell, any plans to change that ?
[12:37] <_ion> riddell: :-D
[12:37] <ogra> upstream i mean ...
[12:37] <Keybuk> Riddell: ch would be the closest match
[12:37] <dsas> :-D, that's funny
[12:37] <minghua> Chinese don't use latin characters, so they show up as whatever is spelled in English
[12:37] <Keybuk> chanchwyr
[12:38] <ogra> konsole is even appropriate in german :)
[12:38] <ivoks> in croatian, we leave it as is, cause adding K to names would be horror
[12:38] <Riddell> ogra: most of the core developers have accepted that new programmes shouldn't have K's in them but a lot of newer developers (who are often the ones that bring in new apps) still think it's cool
[12:38] <ogra> meh
[12:38] <ogra> teach them :)
[12:39] <Keybuk> Riddell: I could REJECT them <g>
[12:39] <ogra> (or Keducate them ;) )
[12:39] <plugwash> what is so bad about the k anyway?
[12:39] <plugwash> it provides a nice branding for kde apps
[12:39] <Burgwork> Riddell: wouldn't that be kool?
[12:39] <aquarius> plugwash: knothing. :)
[12:39] <ogra> heh
[12:39] <ivoks> plugwash: it can't be translated
[12:39] <Burgwork> plugwash: it kauses problems
[12:40] <plugwash> ivoks why the hell are app names being translated in the first place?
[12:40] <Mithrandir> ivoks: so?  Applikation knames karen't ktranslakted.
[12:40] <ivoks> Mithrandir: kbut lit kgoes kbeyond kapplication knames :)
[12:40] <Keybuk> KMithrandir: kallegedly kthey kare
[12:41] <minghua> I think many languages do translate "eye of gnome"
[12:42] <ivoks> ok, it's not allways
[12:42] <ivoks> there's aRts :)
[12:42] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: kthey'kre ktransklakted?
[12:42] <Keybuk> slomo: ping
[12:42] <Keybuk> kping? :p
[12:42] <ivoks> k:)
[12:42] <Keybuk> slomo: and I know you're there, because you ruthlessly filed sync requests while I was processing them
[12:43] <chris_j> set theme fear2
[12:44] <Keybuk> FEAR THE THEME
[12:46] <chris_j> save
[12:46] <chris_j> dodgy keyboard (!)
[12:46] <Mithrandir> you're still allowed to read what you're typing.
[12:47] <Keybuk> kick chris_j
[12:47] <Keybuk> grr, dodgy keyboard
[12:47] <Keybuk> :p
[12:49] <chris_j> i'm sorry i'll try to keep my keyboard related diarrhea to a minimum
[12:50] <Keybuk> good man
[12:53] <Keybuk> for fun?
[12:53] <mnepton> and profit
[12:57] <Keybuk> giskard: ping
[12:57] <imbrandon> Keybuk, did you get my "assignment" ? lol
[12:58] <Keybuk> imbrandon: yes thanks ;)
[01:04] <dholbach> Keybuk: he went to bed
[01:04] <Keybuk> dholbach: shucks to be him
[01:05] <dholbach> Keybuk: hm?
[01:05] <Keybuk> telepathy-sharp => REJECT
[01:05] <Keybuk> autoconf output in diff.gz, bad
[01:05] <Keybuk> Listing ubuntu/feisty (NEW) 0/0
[01:05] <Keybuk> \o/
[01:05] <malcc> WINNAH!
[01:05] <pygi> ^_^
[01:05] <pygi> Keybuk, until soon ^_^
[01:06] <pygi> (or whenever new libburn is out :P)
[01:06] <malcc> Keybuk: 1, Soyuz: )
[01:06] <malcc> 0
[01:06] <Keybuk> malcc: "Let the archive software win"
[01:06] <Keybuk> "keybuks don't lose your archive when they lose"
[01:09] <Keybuk> oh, bah
[01:09] <Keybuk> LA LA LA
[01:09] <ajmitch> sigh, we can't have the NEW queue being empty
[01:09] <LaserJock> can't we just dump REVU into NEW? ;-)
[01:09] <Keybuk> I figure it was kind of a bug that it stuck :p
[01:10] <Burgwork> ajmitch: authtool
[01:10] <Burgwork> fds
[01:10] <Keybuk> shouldn't be able to modify the edgy seeds after edgy has released :p
[01:10] <ajmitch> Burgwork: not FDS
[01:10] <ajmitch> Burgwork: I was just considering authtool though
[01:10] <Burgwork> but that would keep Keybuk busy :)
[01:11] <Burgwork> maybe infinity as well, with all the build breakage
[01:11] <ajmitch> FDS would keep anyone busy
[01:11] <ajmitch> including manufacturers of painkillers
[01:11] <Keybuk> fds?
[01:11] <imbrandon> hrm things are still autosyncing ? gnash dident sync yet
[01:12] <ajmitch> fedora directory server
[01:12] <imbrandon> fedora directory serv.....
[01:12] <imbrandon> wasent sure if it was service or server :)
[01:12] <Keybuk> imbrandon: ?
[01:12] <ogra> ajmitch, authtool++ ... for EAC/S ...
[01:12] <ajmitch> once we get free java stuff in, we can even package up the admin console
[01:12] <Keybuk> imbrandon: no such source in Ubuntu
[01:13] <imbrandon> Keybuk, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/gnash
[01:13] <imbrandon> shouldent it autosync even as NEW ?
[01:13] <Keybuk> no
[01:13] <Keybuk> a) there's no such thing as autosync
[01:13] <imbrandon> ahhh ok, shit i've been waiting for that to sync
[01:13] <Keybuk> b) even if there were, we'd consider NEW syncs differently to just updates
[01:13] <imbrandon> ok so i need to file a sync request after build tests etc
[01:13] <imbrandon> ok
[01:13] <Keybuk> no
[01:14] <imbrandon> ?
[01:14] <Keybuk> it just needs me to get that far down the new-in-debian list
[01:14] <Keybuk> I haven't even started on that list yet
[01:14] <imbrandon> ahhhh ok
[01:14] <ogra> :(
[01:14] <ogra> cant you priorize it ? 
[01:15] <Keybuk> ogra: no
[01:15] <Keybuk> it requires lots of beer
[01:15] <ogra> :'(
[01:15] <imbrandon> lol @ ogra
[01:15] <Keybuk> pulseaudio seemed to build ok?
[01:15] <ogra> ok, so tomorrow then after i gave you lots of beer :P
[01:15] <ogra> yep
[01:15] <Keybuk> so why does pulse need that?
[01:16] <ogra> i run it locally ... but i have to disable some stuff 
[01:16] <ogra> s/have/had/
[01:16] <ogra> avahi integration
[01:16] <ogra> its currently build without ... so its fine 
[01:16] <ogra> just do it if you get to it
[01:21] <Keybuk> First, uninstallable packages:
[01:21] <Keybuk>     * ndiswrapper-1.1 1.1.0-1 produces uninstallable binaries:
[01:21] <Keybuk>           o ndiswrapper-utils (powerpc sparc) 
[01:21] <Keybuk> -- 
[01:21] <Keybuk> that's really quite impressive
[01:21] <_ion> Hehe.
[01:21] <Keybuk> oh
[01:21] <Keybuk> edgy
[01:21] <Keybuk> Colin hasn't updated britney yet
[01:23] <imbrandon> heh
[01:23] <imbrandon> dinner , bbiab
[01:41] <ajmitch> mnepton: causing trouble again?
[01:45] <_ion> jovans: Thanks a lot for the contribution to the discussion. I really appreciate it.
[01:45] <ogra> jovans, please turn off public away messages in ubuntu channels
[01:46] <jovans> no prob
[01:46] <ogra> thanks :)
[01:46] <jovans> ;)
[01:47] <jovans> can everybody tell how can i join the artwork team on ubuntu?
[01:48] <jovans> i'd like to working on it
[01:48] <ogra> jooin in launchpad and join the ubuntu-art mailinglist
[01:48] <jovans> hn
[01:48] <jovans> m
[01:50] <jovans> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art/+login
[01:50] <jovans> right?
[01:54] <bhale> mjg59: your CompizOnFeisty stuff not only works, it absolutely rules
[01:55] <bhale> mjg59: it blows away SLED imo
[01:55] <bhale> mjg59: and the 37-tab beryl window into hell
[01:57] <_ion> I have yet to try a recent compiz (i'm waiting for a working nvidia 9000-series driver, and can't be bothered to run xgl)  can its window decorator be configured to use borderless windows (except for the title bar, of course)? If not, would a patch be accepted to the Ubuntu version?
[01:58] <fabbione> Keybuk: what was the right procedure to request a sync AND override ubuntu changes?
[01:59] <Keybuk> fabbione: changelog and bullet-point list of the ubuntu changes
[01:59] <Keybuk> (which, if you're lucky, the person put in the merge changelog anyway)
[01:59] <_ion> Shadows are enough to distinguish one window from other, and with them fat borders become redundant IMHO.
[01:59] <_ion> (With "patch", i don't mean that a 0px border would or should be the default)
[01:59] <fabbione> Keybuk: do you want it in a bug or just here?
[02:00] <Keybuk> fabbione: bug please
[02:00] <Keybuk> I've closed the window
[02:00] <Keybuk> pitti has a script to do most of it
[02:00] <fabbione> Keybuk: sure
[02:41] <jovans> now i had joind the artwork team
[02:43] <ogra> congrats
[02:44] <pygi> '
[02:44] <pygi> ^_^
[02:44] <jovans> ;)
[02:44] <_ion> vv
[02:44] <pygi> _ion, hey ho ^_^
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hey all
[02:45] <jovans> wiki is also created but tommorow i will finished my wiki site
[02:45] <pygi> hey Hobbsee :)))
[02:45] <jovans> so however i go sleeeepppping in my bed ;)
[02:45] <jovans> good night at all
[02:45] <pygi> jovans, you mean someone still sleeps? :P
[02:45] <_ion> The bed is a good choice.
[02:45] <jovans> hehe
[02:46] <pygi> _ion, almost 3 am here :(
[02:46] <_ion> pygi: almost 4 here.
[02:46] <jovans> ok
[02:46] <pygi> and a lot of work to do which has to be done ASAP
[02:47] <mjg59> bhale: The applet is just the one from Fedora
[02:47] <mjg59> bhale: So they have all the credit for that
[02:48] <mjg59> bhale: And the compiz code is just recent git, so again upstream get all the credit
[02:48] <mjg59> bhale: I'll claim the fringe benefits for the integration, though :)
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hey you!
[02:49] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: hiya, how are you?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: i've got uni exams :(
[02:50] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: what kinds of classes?
[02:50] <ajmitch> hello Mithrandir 
[02:50] <Mithrandir> hiya Andrew.  Long flight?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: first year maths, elec, phys, and computing
[02:51] <fabbione> iwj: are you going to do lvm2 merge from debian or do you want me to do it?
[02:51] <ajmitch> yeah, plane to christchurch was delayed as well
[02:51] <iwj> fabbione: I'll do it.
[02:51] <fabbione> iwj: ok'
[02:51] <seb128> mjg59: I tried beryl previous week and compiz today and compiz seems much slower on my laptop, do you know if that's expected? is there any setting to change to maybe reduce the effects and make it faster (and didn't activate the wobble effect)
[02:51] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: not that evil, then.
[02:51] <iwj> Hopefully I'll be awake tomorrow.
[02:51] <Hobbsee> pygi: you dont have a spray against that!
[02:51] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: maths? are you kidding?  i hate maths!
[02:52] <mjg59> seb128: "Slower" in what way? The effects take longer to complete, or they're less smooth?
[02:52] <pygi> Hobbsee, I do
[02:52] <Hobbsee> the rest shouldnt be so bad
[02:52] <seb128> mjg59: less smooth
[02:52] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: math is the foundation for a lot of other things, though.
[02:52] <fabbione> iwj: we do have a small delta on clvm compared to debian because we use a different version of the redhat-cluster-suite and the latest one is DepWait on libvirt/linxen to enter main. If you need the latest binaries for building just let me know and i can put them somewhere for you.
[02:52] <fabbione> iwj: or you can grab the redhat-cluster-suite sources from feisty
[02:53] <iwj> Noted.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: true that
[02:54] <mjg59> seb128: I don't have an obvious explanation
[02:54] <mjg59> seb128: I suspect that more performance work has been done on beryl than on compiz right now, but...
[02:54] <seb128> might be
[02:54] <Mithrandir> compiz seems nice enough on my x40, which doesn't have much in the way of opengl power
[02:55] <Lathiat> mjg59: im sure this is probably already reported but i had to install compiz-gnome after desktop-effects before it'd work
[02:55] <seb128> what is the keybinding for the expos like feature?
[02:56] <Mithrandir> ctrl-alt-arrowup
[02:56] <mjg59> Lathiat: I think that's mentioned on the wiki
[02:56] <mjg59> Lathiat: I'm not quite sure what the right thing to do there is. compiz-gnome isn't a hard dependency.
[02:57] <Lathiat> mjg59: well, the desktop-effects panel thign refuses to start without it?
[02:57] <Lathiat> and isnt the desktop relatively useless withotu the window decorator?
[02:57] <mjg59> Lathiat: desktop-effects will start fine without compiz-gnome
[02:58] <mjg59> Lathiat: There's a need for /a/ decorator, and right now compiz-gnome is the only one
[02:58] <mjg59> But it should probably be a virtual package of some sort
[02:58] <Lathiat> mjg59: here it sat there for a bit, then exited say cant find "gtk-window-decorator" and "failed to apply effects"
[02:58] <Lathiat> mjg59: hrm, right
[02:58] <mjg59> Lathiat: Oh, I see what you mean
[03:00] <seb128> mjg59: default effects look nice, that's not too many of them like beryl :)
[03:00] <mjg59> seb128: Yeah, that was the aim
[03:01] <Hobbsee> ogra: cubes are overated
[03:01] <ogra> i know, but everybody here has them 
[03:01] <ogra> i feel so left out
[03:09] <pygi> ogra, not everybody have them
[03:09] <pygi> some dont wanna use them :P
[03:09] <pygi> StevenK, be shhh!
[03:09] <seb128> k
[03:10] <seb128> I'll use compiz when we get those libwnck patches applied
[03:10] <mjg59> Are they not upstream yet?
[03:10] <mjg59> Tch.
[03:10] <seb128> mjg59: should I have a look at those or are you working on it?
[03:10] <seb128> I know where the patches are
[03:10] <seb128> and I already had a look
[03:10] <seb128> no, upstreams want things done cleanly
[03:11] <mjg59> Feel free to go ahead
[03:11] <seb128> the patches use some things which are not in the spec
[03:11] <mjg59> Yeah
[03:11] <pitti> mjg59: rodarvus seems to have disappeared...
[03:11] <seb128> and elijah would like to get the additions done to the spec first
[03:11] <mjg59> pitti: No problem - I caught him earlier
[03:11] <mjg59> pitti: Sorry for not letting you know!
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hey pitti 
[03:13] <mjg59> seb128: In any case, we're going to have to do something about compiz's desire to provide workspaces and viewports
[03:13] <seb128> right
[03:13] <seb128> I think I'll just apply the libwnck patches
[03:14] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: having fun?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: kinda.  i dont like exams :(
[03:14] <mjg59> seb128: Because right now you'll get both of the offered, which is a recipe for confusion
[03:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: ok, you can fix up samba compilation for me then :)
[03:15] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: nope...i'm almost off
[03:15] <pygi> Hobbsee, exams again? :P
[03:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: oh well, good luck :)
[03:15] <Hobbsee> pygi: uh...
[03:15] <StevenK> s/again/still/ I bet
[03:15] <pygi> I wrote one today, first one that went good I'd say :P
[03:15] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: thanks
[03:17] <seb128> hum
[03:17] <seb128> g-t has refresh issues when using compiz
[03:17] <seb128> when maximized the bottom line is not displayed correctly
[03:19] <StevenK> Ah ha.
[03:20] <pygi> seb128, am I allowed to enable libburn in brasero in feisty cycle? :)
[03:20] <seb128> pygi: I'm not maintaining brasero, maybe ask slomo, probably yeah ;)
[03:20] <StevenK> mpt: Rev 9 of about-ubuntu is up, if you want to let me know what you think.
[03:21] <pygi> seb128, I'll take over that maintainership. The package is very bad IHMO :P
[03:21] <jdub> hey seb128 
[03:21] <pygi> hey jdub 
[03:21] <jdub> good morning * :-)
[03:21] <pygi> jdub, right, morning in 3:31 AM :P
[03:25] <ajmitch> hey jdub 
[03:25] <ajmitch> pygi: weren't you wanting to have it enabled in brasero right before edgy release?
[03:26] <pygi> ajmitch, yes, but we agreed not to do it
[03:26] <pygi> ajmitch, because it'd 'cause too much bug reports in such a short time
[03:26] <pygi> but since I'm essentially recreating Brasero package right now, I can as well enable libburn as well
[03:26] <ajmitch> ie, the work I put in to try & update & clean the package
[03:26] <pygi> ajmitch, yes, that ^_^
[03:27] <pygi> but you did a very nice job with libburn, it even works now :P
[03:27] <pygi> unlike first two initial uploads
[03:27] <pygi> (not your fault tho)
[03:28] <ajmitch> going to push it for main for feisty?
[03:28] <pygi> ajmitch, the libburn? most probably, yes
[03:29] <pygi> we'll see how the development of it goes :)
[03:29] <imbrandon> pitti, !!
[03:29] <imbrandon> lol
[03:29] <ajmitch> heh
[03:29] <ajmitch> pitti: how's SF?
[03:29] <pitti> I wasn't it!!
[03:30] <imbrandon> :)
[03:30] <imbrandon> hows all hands ?
[03:30] <pitti> ajmitch: pretty rad!
[03:30] <pitti> thanks to Spads we had a great walk around the city, and today I bought Alcatraz tickets
[03:30] <pitti> (for visiting the cells from the *outside*, of course) :)
[03:31] <imbrandon> lol
[03:31] <pitti> imbrandon: many hands here indeed, and nice to get to know my colleagues
[03:32] <imbrandon> are either you or keescook doing any MIR this week, or should i poke yall next week ?
[03:32] <pitti> I did some today
[03:32] <pitti> imbrandon: just put it in the queue
[03:32] <imbrandon> ahh nice /me looks if libmtp got some love
[03:32] <imbrandon> ok
[03:33] <pitti> no, it didn't
[03:33] <keescook> imbrandon: I just learned how to do MIRs today.  :)
[03:33] <imbrandon> okies :)
[03:33] <seb128> hey hey hey jdub
[03:33] <pitti> imbrandon: libmtp? that got approved ages ago
[03:33] <StevenK> pitti: I wonder if anyone is conspiring to lock you in. :-P
[03:33] <imbrandon> keescook, :)
[03:33] <ajmitch> pitti: libvirt approved, but xen-3.0 isn't reviewed? how does that work?
[03:33] <pitti> ajmitch: ENOTIME
[03:33] <pitti> going bottom-up
[03:34] <ajmitch> heh ok
[03:34] <ajmitch> it just depends on libxen3.0 though :)
[03:34] <pitti> yeah, yeah, tomorrow
[03:34] <ajmitch> no problem
[03:34] <pitti> I really wanted to do the ffox/tbird security updates today
[03:34] <ajmitch> I'm not the one needing it in main ASAP
[03:34] <StevenK> There's a firefox security update?
[03:34] <imbrandon> keescook, welcome to MIR hell :)
[03:34] <ajmitch> since I just need it for virt-manager, which won't go into main yet
[03:34] <StevenK> Oh, gasp.
[03:34] <pygi> ajmitch, my bet on libburn in main is until we have something that uses it
[03:35] <pitti> StevenK: 1.5.0.8
[03:35] <pygi> ajmitch, for exameple if we get burning over LTSP bits done
[03:35] <pygi> example*
[03:35] <Lathiat> MIR?
[03:35] <imbrandon> main inclusion reports
[03:37] <ajmitch> painful package, that one
[03:37] <fernando> I was building the libvirt package =(
[03:38] <imbrandon> ahh pitti , my mistake looks like you approved libmtp ( i just dident get to it in time for edgy )
[03:38] <imbrandon> thanks
[03:38] <imbrandon> :)
[03:39] <ajmitch> fernando: sorry, I'd had it mostly ready for awhile, and it was needed for something else 
[03:44] <fernando> ajmitch: what do you need?
[03:45] <seb128> hey pitti
[03:46] <ajmitch> fernando: sorry?
[03:46] <seb128> ping carlos
[03:50] <fernando> somebody is building the virt-manager package?
[03:50] <ajmitch> fernando: yes, I said I am
[03:50] <ajmitch> hey zul 
[03:50] <fernando> hehehe
[03:50] <ajmitch> zul: you recovered the power supply?
[03:50] <zul> muhahaha its alive
[03:51] <ajmitch> zul: cool, if you build me a kernel I can test, I'll try & break my box tonight
[03:52] <ajmitch> or tomorrow
[03:52] <zul> ok
[03:52] <ajmitch> whichever works :)
[03:52] <zul> or the next day
[03:52] <ajmitch> I'll have to restart stuff because of the wonders of dbus
[04:00] <pitti> keescook: yeah!
[04:00] <keescook> pitti: heheh
[04:01] <keescook> ping: pitti
[04:02] <ajmitch> hey keescook 
[04:02] <keescook> hiya ajmitch
[04:02] <keescook> we're having fun solving pitti's tab completion.  :)
[10:21] <rcarr> Any thoughts on a versioning backup system for feisty? i.e. you have it watch folders with inotify and when a file is modified it makes a hidden backup with a timestamp in the filename
[10:21] <rcarr> and then a GUI for people to regress files to earlier versions 
[10:21] <rcarr> I have a basic working implementation in python, and was thinking of submitting a spec, but wanted to see if there was any interest 
[10:22] <ivoks> rcarr: contact https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-backup
[10:23] <rcarr> Ah, thank you 
[11:49] <jovans> hi@all
[11:52] <jovans> can everybody tell why in edgy are not more k7 kernels?
[11:52] <jovans> only generic
[11:52] <hunger> When will the linux-image-generic get updated to the new feisty kernels?
[11:53] <Hobbsee> jovans: there's been a discussion on the ubuntu-devel mailing list, please look that up
[11:53] <Hobbsee> hunger: presumably when l-r-m is done
[11:54] <jovans> because i had used alwas this kernel i have an amd
[11:54] <hunger> Hobbsee: Great!
[11:54] <Hobbsee> jovans: it was found that there were almost no performance differences
[11:55] <jovans> yes u are wright
[11:58] <jovans> one more question. why cannot see a detailed startup when i boot my machine? I only see die ubuntu logo
[12:22] <geser> I'm looking on the feisty release schedule. Is there a date set when universe freezes?
[12:22] <bhale> geser: not any time soon
[12:27] <bhale> geser: it will be some time between UpstreamVersionFreeze and Beta Freeze most likely
[01:20] <Adri2000> I don't understand why in edgy the pppoeconf version has been incremented to ubuntu1 with just "Resynchronise with Debian." in the changelog. If it's a sync, there is no ubuntu change?
[01:21] <StevenK> But it's not a sync. There is likely a changelog entry further down that details what changes have been made in Ubuntu.
[01:24] <Adri2000> StevenK: ok, but the remaining ubuntu changes are not mentioned, shouldn't they be?
[01:26] <Fujitsu> Adri2000: Until about half way through Edgy, they didn't have to be.
[01:26] <Adri2000> ok
[01:30] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: it's only recently that that's being forced.  and people can miss changes, etc, so it's better to check
[01:34] <Adri2000> and now what's the exact policy about the changelog when merging with debian?
[01:36] <geser> Adri2000: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000182.html
[01:40] <Adri2000> grab-merge.sh writes in the changelog "Merge from debian unstable", that or "Merged with Debian." I think it doesn't matter? we just have to describe the ubuntu changes. And the scripts signs the changelog with "Ubuntu Merge-o-Matic", I should change that also?
[01:41] <Adri2000> script*
[01:44] <geser> yes, you should put your name in the changelog
[01:44] <geser> I use dch -e to edit the changelog after a merge. It puts your name below it automagically.
[01:45] <Adri2000> ok
[01:49] <zul> hey
[01:50] <Hobbsee> hey zul 
[01:53] <sivang> hi all
[02:14] <Adri2000> tfheen: here? why did you remove the dependency on modconf from pppoeconf?
[03:07] <jovans> i want to know if the kernel-generic ist the right kernel i have installed on my machine. Is the gernel-generic for both architektures?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:07] <jovans> hm
[03:07] <jovans> ok
[03:07] <jovans> i have upgraded to fiesty
[03:07] <jovans> feisty
[03:07] <jovans> sorry
[03:08] <jovans> what if me wonder is that my machine boot faster because privior i had edgy installed
[03:40] <user_> using kickstart on the Alternate install CD fails when detecting keyboard, I tried several keyboards but they all fail!
[03:40] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:42] <Adri2000> hi bddebian
[03:42] <bddebian> Hello Adri2000
[03:46] <Adri2000> tfheen: ping me when you are here please, there are two ubuntu changes in pppoeconf that are not clear to me
[04:02] <user_> helllo
[04:02] <user_> using ubuntu LTS, kickstart, however it fails with detection keyboard. Is this know? I can't find anything on bts about this.
[04:03] <sbalneav> user_: Probably the #ubuntu channel could help you with this.
[04:08] <user_> sbalneav, i can't get in
[05:53] <fiddy> regarding the plan for making Bertyl/Compiz the default window manager on system with 3d support. I don't really see how this is practical
[05:57] <ivoks> i don't see how someone could said that ubuntu doesn't enable composite by default :)
[06:20] <sharms> anyone here with large scale php engineering experience that can point me to a resource on standards for creating seperate php files in a project?  As in I need to hire someone for php work, but I dont want them writing one big ass file of flat code, looking for acceptable large project standards
[06:20] <MidMark> pitti: have you received my email about hal?
[06:21] <MidMark> if you have time I can provide an ssh login to check out the problem with dvd mounting
[06:34] <MidMark> pitti please contact me just to talk 1 minute
[06:37] <MidMark> someone else experiencing this bug? Help?
[06:37] <MidMark> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/14692
[06:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 14692 in hal "hal detects written DVD as empty" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[06:46] <imbrandon> Keybuk, ping
[06:48] <imbrandon> Keybuk, can you manualy promote libmtp to main ( MIR approved by pitti ) i'm going to upload an amarok that builds against it as soon as you do
[06:52] <sivang> hey imbrandon dude ;)
[06:53] <pygi> sivang, hello
[06:53] <sivang> pygi: hi Mario
[06:53] <sivang> pygi: what's up?
[06:53] <pygi> sivang, nothing much, just gave debdiff for Brasero to Mez
[06:53] <pygi> the package was completely broken :)
[06:54] <pygi> thanks to the almighty debian maintainer who cares so much for it :P
[06:54] <sivang> pygi: right , goot to have him around then
[06:54] <pygi> sivang, I'm talking sarcasm :P
[06:55] <pygi> The Debian maintainer had everything screwed up
[06:55] <sivang> pygi: I was referring to Mez ! :-)
[06:55] <pygi> sivang, oh, that :P
[06:56] <sivang> infinity: do you happen to have an ETA for when the prop. drivers for ati should hit feisty ?
[06:57] <Mez> infinity, ping /
[06:57] <sivang> pygi: backup config meta data class is now finished btw, I'm now working on integrating everything into the Backup object.
[06:57] <imbrandon> sivang, heya
[06:57] <pygi> sivang, very nice
[07:41] <pitti> imbrandon: upload it now, then it will be promoted; not the other way round
[07:41] <pitti> MidMark: in a meeting; just /msg me, I'll answer later
[07:42] <imbrandon> pitti, ahh ok, last time ( with libnjb ) it was the other way arround, okies, uploading now
[07:42] <pitti> MidMark: if you are 'Cimmo', I got it
[07:42] <pitti> MidMark: but no time here at the conf
[07:43] <MidMark> pitti: I'm Cimmo yes, then contact me when you are free or give me a date...
[07:43] <MidMark> just to let you debug the problem
[07:50] <Mez> pitti: ssh update in the works ?
[08:12] <jdong> infinity: ping (about -backports building against -updates)... is it done yet / can it be done
[08:13] <jdong> infinity: bah, I gotta run... direct any responses to imbrandon :)
[08:16] <imbrandon> sivang, there isnt , its where they are connecting from ( we all had them at UDS )
[08:17] <imbrandon> notice it says @confrence/canonical/........
[08:24] <pitti> MidMark: end of next week, when I'm back home, does that work for you?
[08:24] <pitti> Mez: no?
[08:25] <MidMark> pitti ok none a problem, but can I ask somethings very fast?
[08:25] <MidMark> do you think it's a hal problem?
[08:28] <pitti> MidMark: either a hal or a kernel bug, I'm not sure before debugging this
[08:45] <MidMark> pitti ok contact me next week or I have to ping you?
[08:46] <pitti> MidMark: I'll answer to your mail next week; what's a convenient day time span for you?
[08:47] <sivang> pitti: till when the allhands is going?
[08:47] <pitti> sivang: end of this week
[08:47] <AlinuxOS> pitti, ;) hello!
[08:47] <jdub> pitti: try to avoid fire while enjoying yourself to the max. :-)
[08:47] <sivang> pitti: okay
[08:47] <MidMark> pitti: I live in gmt+1 time  and you?
[08:48] <sivang> jdub: which kinds of fire has he to avoid? :p
[08:48] <imbrandon> jdub, !!!
[08:48] <pitti> MidMark: exactly the same (Germany)
[08:48] <Keybuk> sivang: the hot kind
[08:48] <pitti> jdub: too late, two days ago we broke a piece of burning wood with our hand :)
[08:49] <MidMark> pitti: ok for me best time is around 12 to 14 o'clock, better not in the WE
[08:49] <jdub> pitti: i just wet myself reading jamesh's blog
[08:49] <jdub> thought i'd offer a warning ;-)
[08:50] <sivang> jdub: oh my god
[08:51] <pygi> sivang, what's with his blog
[08:51] <pitti> MidMark: that's good
[08:51] <sivang> pygi: see what Keybuk and jdub said
[08:54] <sivang> mnepton: Hey Kurt, shame I couldn't come to UDS as we could have met according to your cloak ;)
[08:54] <MidMark> pitti: ok great, thanx a lot, I'm a little bored to not read dvd that I have burned :(
[08:54] <pitti> MidMark: in the meantime, try to insert an audio CD and then the DVD
[08:54] <pygi> MidMark, that's what you get when you use cdrecord :P
[08:55] <MidMark> pitti: I can try, for now the only way is to boot with the dvd inside or add a second session
[08:55] <MidMark> pygi: I use k3b
[08:55] <pygi> MidMark, that uses cdrecord as backend^_^
[08:55] <MidMark> pygi: also dvd-rw-tools
[08:56] <pygi> MidMark, indeed =P
[08:56] <mnepton> sivang: aye, i was at UDS. but that's over, and i'm now in SF.
[08:56] <pygi> ergh, why everybody continues to mention UDS? :P
[08:57] <pygi> stop that, you're making me sad :P
[08:57] <MidMark> in my opinion it's a bad reading of sessions, don't know if is it hal or kernel or udev or who?
[08:58] <sivang> mnepton: are you also catching fire like jamesh is? (http://blogs.gnome.org/view/jamesh/2006/11/15/0)
[08:58] <pygi> MidMark, where do you experience bad reading of sessions?
[08:59] <MidMark> in all dvd with one session and disk not closed
[08:59] <MidMark> cd all ok, dvd with two or more sessions, ok, dvd closed ok
[08:59] <pygi> MidMark, I'd still loosely tight it to cdrecord issues
[08:59] <mnepton> sivang: "flame on!" is my middle name
[09:00] <pygi> dvd+rw issues that is, since it's dvd
[09:00] <MidMark> pygi: no dvd+-r and rw all kinds od dvds
[09:00] <pygi> MidMark, I meant dvd+rw tools, not media :)
[09:00] <sivang> mnepton: do you have any specs you're working on or were you just to have support team discussions and meetings?
[09:01] <jamesh> sivang: I think there were only two people who caught fire
[09:01] <sivang> jamesh: heh, who were they?
[09:01] <jamesh> the rest were fine
[09:01] <jamesh> I think it was me and mdy
[09:01] <mnepton> sivang: yeah, i'm in charge of porting ActiveX and Windows Genuine Advantage to Ubuntu
[09:01] <sivang> send him my regards :)
[09:02] <sivang> mnepton: HA-HA-HA
[09:02] <MidMark> pygi: mmm the worst thing is with Dapper I had no problem :(
[09:02] <sivang> jamesh: to mdy, that is.
[09:02] <mnepton> mpt: i have a couple different clients. this one is for public channels where i don't care about logging.
[09:03] <pygi> MidMark, dunno really, I could test, but I'm doing all my burning throught libburn
[09:03] <sivang> mnepton: have you happend to hear from Irina/Boris btw? since I asked her to investigate the 22nd hour failure in the 24hr and contacted her again to see what'sup I havne't got a response.
[09:04] <mnepton> sivang: have not heard anything, but i will let you know if i do.
[09:04] <sivang> mnepton: I'm contemplating sendin another reminder email, although last time she noted she require more time. A dilemma
[09:04] <MidMark> pygi: thanx for your interest, hope that pitti will understand the problem
[09:17] <fabbione> madduck: ping?
[09:23] <mnepton> MANAH MANAH!
[09:25] <fdoving> mdz: ping? can you take a look at https://launchpad.net/bugs/69583 ? kopete icq connection fix (upstream changed the previous fix, new debdiff in comment 13).
[09:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69583 in kopete "SRU: kopete can't connect to ICQ. " [Low,Fix committed]  
[09:26] <ogra> fdoving, i think someone from the KDE team would be a better ping target :)
[09:27] <fdoving> ogra: they can't approve SRUs.
[09:27] <fdoving> it's for edgy.
[09:27] <madduck> fabbione: yessir
[09:28] <madduck> fabbione: (did my contentless ping script not do anything?)
[09:28] <fabbione> madduck: hey dude... 
[09:28] <madduck> hi
[09:28] <fabbione> madduck: not that i could see.. no
[09:28] <fabbione> madduck: so i am merging mdadm right now
[09:28] <Riddell> fdoving, (mdz): I'll look at that
[09:28] <madduck> tfheen: it's very sporadic...
[09:28] <madduck> fabbione: ok... have fun. :)
[09:29] <madduck> tfheen: (contentless-ping i mean)
[09:29] <fabbione> madduck: i am going to do an upload with a consistent delta, and if that's ok with you, next week we can hammer the delta down
[09:29] <Riddell> fdoving: I've not been in a major rush with it since if they changed their protocol twice in a week don't want to upload if they're doing the same again, but I'll look at it now
[09:29] <fabbione> madduck: yes. i have done already. it's not difficult
[09:29] <madduck> fabbione: next week i'll be in singapore
[09:29] <fabbione> madduck: ok.. 2 weeks?
[09:29] <madduck> fabbione: i am on vac until 12/12
[09:29] <madduck> 3
[09:29] <fabbione> oh
[09:29] <fabbione> sure
[09:29] <fabbione> that's fine for me
[09:29] <fabbione> there are changes in your scripts i am not sure i grok 100% and i would like to go trough them 
[09:29] <madduck> fabbione: sure thing.
[09:30] <madduck> however, i also plan to rewrite much of it post-etch.
[09:30] <fabbione> madduck: so that i can reduce the delta and we can look at what we can push into your package
[09:30] <madduck> but i suppose we must do it twice then. :)
[09:30] <fabbione> madduck: that's ok with me
[09:30] <fdoving> Riddell: ok, it was already approved for -proposed, by mdz. But 2h after he approved the debdiff, upstream improved the fix, so this is the new (and hopefully final) fix.
[09:30] <madduck> or keep the delta until after the rewrite, then merge again and reduce?
[09:30] <fabbione> yeah well the more we can get into your tree, the less i will need to sync later
[09:30] <fabbione> sure
[09:30] <madduck> true
[09:30] <fabbione> either paths will work
[09:31] <madduck> fabbione: which version are you syncing?
[09:31] <madduck> 2.5.6-5 is current
[09:31] <madduck> uploaded today
[09:31] <fabbione> hmmm
[09:31] <fabbione> 2.5.5-1 
[09:31] <fabbione> ok.. i can just resync tomorrow
[09:32] <madduck> that went into etch today
[09:32] <madduck> changes are minor.
[09:32] <fabbione> Keybuk: did MoM run properly against sid?
[09:32] <madduck> fabbione: i uploaded it *today*
[09:32] <fabbione> madduck: did you upload 2.5.6-1 before that?
[09:32] <madduck> itn's not even in sid yet.
[09:32] <madduck> nope.
[09:32] <fabbione> meh
[09:32] <fabbione> ok
[09:32] <madduck> 2.5.5-1->2.5.6-5
[09:32] <fabbione> Keybuk: nevermind
[09:32] <fabbione> madduck: ok, than MoM will pick it up tomorrow
[09:32] <fabbione> no big deal
[09:33] <madduck> y9u could just work from svn...
[09:33] <fabbione> madduck: i don't have enough resources to track all my upstream at that level
[09:33] <fabbione> madduck: i need to rely on some tools like MoM'
[09:33] <madduck> i would have thought hct...
[09:33] <madduck> oh well.
[09:33] <madduck> whatever MoM is.
[09:34] <fabbione> http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html
[09:34] <fabbione> s/main.html//g
[09:34] <madduck> i am also too busy with etch to read that. :)
[09:35] <fabbione> madduck: yeah it's just a tool that tracks ubuntu <-> debian package deltas and help merging stuff
[09:35] <fabbione> madduck: nothing too fancy
[09:36] <fabbione> but you might notice that my name is on a few tons of packages :) just too many to track them all manually
[09:36] <madduck> i am not arguing.
[09:36] <madduck> but you're also the openssh person, right?
[09:36] <madduck> i mean the one for debian with kamion, no?
[09:36] <madduck> or do you not do openssh?
[09:37] <fabbione> hmm no
[09:37] <fabbione> i am not into openssh
[09:37] <madduck> ok, never mind then.
[09:37] <madduck> fabbione: if you have qs, send mail. i can read for the next weeks. better than IRC.
[09:37] <madduck> and one q per mail, okay? :)
[09:38] <madduck> think internet cafe and having to leave quickly
[09:38] <fabbione> madduck: sure.. i am in no hurry
[09:38] <mnepton> madduck: you could always choose the path of most resistance and talk to Theo directly. but i only sugest that if you're suicidal or working on an advanced degree in anthropology.
[09:39] <madduck> mnepton: no. thanks.
[09:39] <madduck> i am just curious about an aspect.
[09:39] <madduck> i am writing logcheck rules
[09:39] <madduck> and i see entries like this
[09:39] <madduck> sshd[22039] : (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=mta3.kpost.com
[09:39] <madduck> if i log in and punch the wrong password, i get
[09:39] <madduck> sshd[16974] : (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=wall.oerlikon.madduck.net  user=madduck
[09:39] <madduck> so something is speaking to sshd and not giving a user name.
[09:39] <madduck> sounds like the admin doesn't have to care about when that happens as there's no danger, huh?
[09:43] <mdz> fdoving: I'm in back-to-back meetings this entire week, will look at it as soon as I can
[09:43] <mdz> fdoving: try cjwatson@ubuntu.com as my backup
[09:45] <fdoving> mdz: I will, thanks. Enjoy the meetings :)
[10:02] <zntneo> I know this isn't a support channel but i'm having problems with the apt version of acx-110 driver
[10:14] <unfo> hi all, has ubuntu ever tried to buy out the www.ubuntu.org domain?
[10:14] <unfo> people assume that since Ubuntu Linux is open source that it will be at www.ubuntu.org.
[10:15] <unfo> who knows, perhaps they'll even be willing to donate the domain name away like the owner of www.firefox.com did for Firefox.
[10:17] <LaserJock> I would guess that that has been thought of before
[10:19] <unfo> LaserJock: i tried searching on google and google groups and found nothing.
[10:20] <unfo> Although I'm sure it's been thought of, I wonder if anyone's ever tried to get the domain.
[10:22] <Burgwork> I would widely assume yes, but that is really between canonical and whomever currently owns .org
[10:30] <unfo> Burgwork: does ubuntu have a project affairs mailing list just like debian's debian-project list?
[10:30] <Burgwork> unfo: not really
[10:31] <unfo> :(
[10:31] <bhale> unfo: what is your question?
[10:31] <bhale> there is certainly places to pose a question of the right people.
[10:31] <unfo> bhale: see 8 lines above :)
[10:32] <bhale> meh.
[10:35] <unfo> bhale: i think getting the www.ubuntu.org domain would be a valuable service to newbies.
[10:35] <bhale> people have been getting there for 2 years now without any trouble
[10:35] <unfo> Or at least getting a big ad banner at the top "Ubuntu Linux - the safer alternative." or something
[10:35] <bhale> and if you are really a newbie you think everyything ends in ".com"
[10:35] <unfo> bhale: good point about .com. hmmm.
[10:36] <bhale> you could discuss it on ubuntu-sounder list
[10:36] <bhale> im sure someone would shell out $20 for the domain if it made someone feel better
[10:37] <unfo> bhale: the domain is taken.
[10:37] <minghua> I think it's sounder@ list instead of ubuntu-sounder@?
[10:37] <unfo> bhale: thank you.  I found that the topic has already been brought up:   http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/jar/jar.html
[10:37] <unfo> oops
[10:37] <unfo>  http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/jar/jar.html
[10:38] <bhale> still missed it
[10:38] <unfo> argh! I wish I could middle-click paste from Ctrl-C clipboard into irssi.
[10:38] <unfo> it's http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20060321.132326.e393d80b.en.html
[10:43] <bhale> I agree with Paul, with a slighly worse case of apathy
[10:55] <LaserJock> bhale? apathetic? never ;-)
[11:16] <fabbione> dholbach: ping?
[11:16] <fabbione> ECHAN