=== rodarvus [i=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rendhalver [n=rendhalv@58.105.241.159] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === eXistenZ [n=amerdakk@unaffiliated/eXistenZ] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chrisj_ [n=chrisj@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chrisj [n=chrisj@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [i=mpt@conference/canonical/x-87b03d143724329e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aquarius [n=aquarius@82-47-92-64.cable.ubr04.dudl.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] What's the best way, from a script, to test whether I'm running on Ubuntu? For Debian I'd look for /etc/debian_version [12:32] lsb-version ought to tell you === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-147-18.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] actually lsb_release :) [12:33] lsb_release -c [12:33] i.e. lsb_release -is [12:33] or that :) [12:33] -c will only show the codename :) [12:33] cool. When did that first appear in Ubuntu? Right from the beginning? [12:33] yep [12:34] nice. So if it doesn't exist then I can assume I'm not on Ubuntu at all. Superb; that'll make the Jokosher install script work much more nicely :) [12:34] debian has it as well ... so if you depend on the lsb stuff you can use it there too === Keybuk finds it ironic that KDE has educational spelling applications [12:35] they are multilingual :) [12:35] they still have inappropriate Ks in their name [12:35] klassroom [12:35] <_ion> Hehe. [12:36] (surprisingly, that isn't one -- but it should be!) [12:36] koqueror :) [12:36] maybe there spelling education apps ignore inappropriate K's, who knows :-P [12:36] <_ion> en_US, en_GB, en_KDE === chris_j [n=chris_j@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.146.75] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] Does kde when translated in other applications still retain the 'K' thing? [12:37] dsas: tragically yes [12:37] s/applications/languages [12:37] dsas: this even goes as far as adding the letter K to Welsh which never previously had it in their alphabet [12:37] Riddell, any plans to change that ? [12:37] <_ion> riddell: :-D [12:37] upstream i mean ... [12:37] Riddell: ch would be the closest match [12:37] :-D, that's funny [12:37] Chinese don't use latin characters, so they show up as whatever is spelled in English [12:37] chanchwyr [12:38] konsole is even appropriate in german :) [12:38] in croatian, we leave it as is, cause adding K to names would be horror [12:38] ogra: most of the core developers have accepted that new programmes shouldn't have K's in them but a lot of newer developers (who are often the ones that bring in new apps) still think it's cool [12:38] meh [12:38] teach them :) [12:39] Riddell: I could REJECT them [12:39] (or Keducate them ;) ) [12:39] what is so bad about the k anyway? [12:39] it provides a nice branding for kde apps [12:39] Riddell: wouldn't that be kool? [12:39] plugwash: knothing. :) [12:39] heh [12:39] plugwash: it can't be translated [12:39] plugwash: it kauses problems [12:40] ivoks why the hell are app names being translated in the first place? [12:40] ivoks: so? Applikation knames karen't ktranslakted. === yveslu [n=yves@194.235.200.228] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] Mithrandir: kbut lit kgoes kbeyond kapplication knames :) [12:40] KMithrandir: kallegedly kthey kare [12:41] I think many languages do translate "eye of gnome" === yveslu [n=yves@194.235.200.228] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === micahcowan [n=micahcow@69.36.252.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk krealises kthat khe's KDE kompliant [12:42] ok, it's not allways [12:42] there's aRts :) [12:42] Keybuk: kthey'kre ktransklakted? [12:42] slomo: ping [12:42] kping? :p [12:42] k:) [12:42] slomo: and I know you're there, because you ruthlessly filed sync requests while I was processing them [12:43] set theme fear2 [12:44] FEAR THE THEME === DeadlyTiga [n=andi@p549B1803.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] save [12:46] dodgy keyboard (!) [12:46] you're still allowed to read what you're typing. [12:47] kick chris_j [12:47] grr, dodgy keyboard [12:47] :p [12:49] i'm sorry i'll try to keep my keyboard related diarrhea to a minimum === mnepton [i=mneptok@conference/canonical/x-d28a3e508a6e1782] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] good man === TomB| [n=ownthebo@host217-44-3-136.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mnepton coats Keybukin chocolate and sea urchins [12:53] for fun? [12:53] and profit [12:57] giskard: ping [12:57] Keybuk, did you get my "assignment" ? lol [12:58] imbrandon: yes thanks ;) === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris_j [n=chris_j@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491EC72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] Keybuk: he went to bed [01:04] dholbach: shucks to be him [01:05] Keybuk: hm? [01:05] telepathy-sharp => REJECT === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] autoconf output in diff.gz, bad [01:05] Listing ubuntu/feisty (NEW) 0/0 [01:05] \o/ [01:05] WINNAH! [01:05] ^_^ [01:05] Keybuk, until soon ^_^ [01:06] (or whenever new libburn is out :P) [01:06] Keybuk: 1, Soyuz: ) [01:06] 0 [01:06] malcc: "Let the archive software win" === jovans [n=jovan@p54B04A80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [i=mpt@conference/canonical/x-d73dfc020588c45f] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] "keybuks don't lose your archive when they lose" === jono [i=jono@conference/canonical/x-f3d4aece304bf4f1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [i=spacehob@conference/canonical/x-8887eddabfe976ed] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] oh, bah [01:09] LA LA LA [01:09] sigh, we can't have the NEW queue being empty === ajmitch digs around for stuff to throw at NEW === Keybuk tries that again with the RIGHT RELEASE [01:09] can't we just dump REVU into NEW? ;-) [01:09] I figure it was kind of a bug that it stuck :p [01:10] ajmitch: authtool [01:10] fds [01:10] shouldn't be able to modify the edgy seeds after edgy has released :p [01:10] Burgwork: not FDS [01:10] Burgwork: I was just considering authtool though [01:10] but that would keep Keybuk busy :) [01:11] maybe infinity as well, with all the build breakage [01:11] FDS would keep anyone busy [01:11] including manufacturers of painkillers [01:11] fds? [01:11] hrm things are still autosyncing ? gnash dident sync yet [01:12] fedora directory server [01:12] fedora directory serv..... [01:12] wasent sure if it was service or server :) [01:12] imbrandon: ? [01:12] ajmitch, authtool++ ... for EAC/S ... [01:12] once we get free java stuff in, we can even package up the admin console [01:12] imbrandon: no such source in Ubuntu [01:13] Keybuk, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/gnash [01:13] shouldent it autosync even as NEW ? [01:13] no [01:13] a) there's no such thing as autosync [01:13] ahhh ok, shit i've been waiting for that to sync [01:13] b) even if there were, we'd consider NEW syncs differently to just updates [01:13] ok so i need to file a sync request after build tests etc [01:13] ok [01:13] no [01:14] ? [01:14] it just needs me to get that far down the new-in-debian list [01:14] I haven't even started on that list yet [01:14] ahhhh ok [01:14] :( [01:14] cant you priorize it ? === AlinuxOS [n=AlinuxOS@d83-176-86-91.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra would like libasyncns for pulseaudio love === cr3 [i=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] ogra: no [01:15] it requires lots of beer [01:15] :'( [01:15] lol @ ogra [01:15] pulseaudio seemed to build ok? [01:15] ok, so tomorrow then after i gave you lots of beer :P [01:15] yep [01:15] so why does pulse need that? [01:16] i run it locally ... but i have to disable some stuff [01:16] s/have/had/ [01:16] avahi integration [01:16] its currently build without ... so its fine [01:16] just do it if you get to it === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Rasman [n=Rasman@24.sub-72-106-159.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Rasman [n=Rasman@24.sub-72-106-159.myvzw.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:21] First, uninstallable packages: [01:21] * ndiswrapper-1.1 1.1.0-1 produces uninstallable binaries: [01:21] o ndiswrapper-utils (powerpc sparc) [01:21] -- [01:21] that's really quite impressive [01:21] <_ion> Hehe. [01:21] oh [01:21] edgy [01:21] Colin hasn't updated britney yet [01:23] heh [01:23] dinner , bbiab === BenC [i=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180104034.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mnepton covers Brandon's chair in baby oil === jovans is away: Ich bin beschftigt [01:41] mnepton: causing trouble again? === stub [n=stub@dhcp64-134-210-122.hfwsf.sjc.wayport.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jovans is back (gone 00:04:20) [01:45] <_ion> jovans: Thanks a lot for the contribution to the discussion. I really appreciate it. [01:45] jovans, please turn off public away messages in ubuntu channels [01:46] no prob [01:46] thanks :) [01:46] ;) [01:47] can everybody tell how can i join the artwork team on ubuntu? [01:48] i'd like to working on it [01:48] jooin in launchpad and join the ubuntu-art mailinglist [01:48] hn [01:48] m [01:50] https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art/+login [01:50] right? === TMM [n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@83-131-14-39.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] mjg59: your CompizOnFeisty stuff not only works, it absolutely rules [01:55] mjg59: it blows away SLED imo [01:55] mjg59: and the 37-tab beryl window into hell [01:57] <_ion> I have yet to try a recent compiz (i'm waiting for a working nvidia 9000-series driver, and can't be bothered to run xgl) can its window decorator be configured to use borderless windows (except for the title bar, of course)? If not, would a patch be accepted to the Ubuntu version? [01:58] Keybuk: what was the right procedure to request a sync AND override ubuntu changes? [01:59] fabbione: changelog and bullet-point list of the ubuntu changes [01:59] (which, if you're lucky, the person put in the merge changelog anyway) [01:59] <_ion> Shadows are enough to distinguish one window from other, and with them fat borders become redundant IMHO. [01:59] <_ion> (With "patch", i don't mean that a 0px border would or should be the default) [01:59] Keybuk: do you want it in a bug or just here? [02:00] fabbione: bug please [02:00] I've closed the window [02:00] pitti has a script to do most of it [02:00] Keybuk: sure === doko [i=doko@conference/canonical/x-96f9bda2b4eee3db] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [i=mpt@conference/canonical/x-ad91b30a5fdb4723] has joined #ubuntu-devel === besonen__ [n=besonen2@dsl-db.pacinfo.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.76.170] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@dhcp64-134-210-122.hfwsf.sjc.wayport.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.76.170] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raraavis [i=emurphy@conference/canonical/x-e0bd3dba9c181b7b] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jvw [i=jeroen@39pc221.sshunet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@cpc2-stok6-0-0-cust395.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@dhcp64-134-210-122.hfwsf.sjc.wayport.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [i=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === \sh_away [n=nnsherma@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jovans [n=jovan@p54B04A80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] now i had joind the artwork team [02:43] congrats [02:44] ' [02:44] ^_^ [02:44] ;) [02:44] <_ion> vv [02:44] _ion, hey ho ^_^ === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:45] hey all [02:45] wiki is also created but tommorow i will finished my wiki site === malcc [i=malcolm@conference/canonical/x-509ebd0476d6dc1b] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:45] hey Hobbsee :))) [02:45] so however i go sleeeepppping in my bed ;) [02:45] good night at all [02:45] jovans, you mean someone still sleeps? :P [02:45] <_ion> The bed is a good choice. [02:45] hehe [02:46] _ion, almost 3 am here :( [02:46] <_ion> pygi: almost 4 here. [02:46] ok [02:46] and a lot of work to do which has to be done ASAP === mpt [i=mpt@conference/canonical/x-b01c9516b0ed837e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [i=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee wishes it was time for bed === Hobbsee has something far more evil to do than sleep [02:47] bhale: The applet is just the one from Fedora [02:47] bhale: So they have all the credit for that [02:48] bhale: And the compiz code is just recent git, so again upstream get all the credit [02:48] bhale: I'll claim the fringe benefits for the integration, though :) === Mithrandir tickles Hobbsee === Hobbsee tickles Mithrandir back [02:49] hey you! === pygi uses anti-tickling spray [02:49] Hobbsee: hiya, how are you? === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] Mithrandir: i've got uni exams :( [02:50] Hobbsee: what kinds of classes? [02:50] hello Mithrandir [02:50] hiya Andrew. Long flight? [02:50] Mithrandir: first year maths, elec, phys, and computing [02:51] iwj: are you going to do lvm2 merge from debian or do you want me to do it? [02:51] yeah, plane to christchurch was delayed as well [02:51] fabbione: I'll do it. [02:51] iwj: ok' === Hobbsee attacks pygi with her Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (tm) [02:51] mjg59: I tried beryl previous week and compiz today and compiz seems much slower on my laptop, do you know if that's expected? is there any setting to change to maybe reduce the effects and make it faster (and didn't activate the wobble effect) [02:51] Hobbsee: not that evil, then. [02:51] Hopefully I'll be awake tomorrow. [02:51] pygi: you dont have a spray against that! === ogra waits for fabbione to offer to do the gcompris merge ... [02:51] Mithrandir: maths? are you kidding? i hate maths! [02:52] seb128: "Slower" in what way? The effects take longer to complete, or they're less smooth? [02:52] Hobbsee, I do [02:52] the rest shouldnt be so bad [02:52] mjg59: less smooth [02:52] Hobbsee: math is the foundation for a lot of other things, though. [02:52] iwj: we do have a small delta on clvm compared to debian because we use a different version of the redhat-cluster-suite and the latest one is DepWait on libvirt/linxen to enter main. If you need the latest binaries for building just let me know and i can put them somewhere for you. [02:52] iwj: or you can grab the redhat-cluster-suite sources from feisty [02:53] Noted. [02:53] Mithrandir: true that [02:54] seb128: I don't have an obvious explanation [02:54] seb128: I suspect that more performance work has been done on beryl than on compiz right now, but... [02:54] might be [02:54] compiz seems nice enough on my x40, which doesn't have much in the way of opengl power [02:55] mjg59: im sure this is probably already reported but i had to install compiz-gnome after desktop-effects before it'd work [02:55] what is the keybinding for the expos like feature? [02:56] ctrl-alt-arrowup [02:56] Lathiat: I think that's mentioned on the wiki === Lathiat was going off the e-mail [02:56] Lathiat: I'm not quite sure what the right thing to do there is. compiz-gnome isn't a hard dependency. [02:57] mjg59: well, the desktop-effects panel thign refuses to start without it? [02:57] and isnt the desktop relatively useless withotu the window decorator? [02:57] Lathiat: desktop-effects will start fine without compiz-gnome [02:58] Lathiat: There's a need for /a/ decorator, and right now compiz-gnome is the only one [02:58] But it should probably be a virtual package of some sort [02:58] mjg59: here it sat there for a bit, then exited say cant find "gtk-window-decorator" and "failed to apply effects" [02:58] mjg59: hrm, right [02:58] Lathiat: Oh, I see what you mean [03:00] mjg59: default effects look nice, that's not too many of them like beryl :) === Keybuk [i=scott@conference/canonical/x-7d0648baed8d7e83] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:00] seb128: Yeah, that was the aim === ogra so wishes his ati crd would do *any* 3D :( [03:01] ogra: cubes are overated === mooey [n=chris@217.151.109.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:01] i know, but everybody here has them [03:01] i feel so left out [03:09] ogra, not everybody have them [03:09] some dont wanna use them :P === StevenK has Beryl on his X40 too. [03:09] StevenK, be shhh! === StevenK smirks. [03:09] k [03:10] I'll use compiz when we get those libwnck patches applied [03:10] Are they not upstream yet? [03:10] Tch. [03:10] mjg59: should I have a look at those or are you working on it? [03:10] I know where the patches are [03:10] and I already had a look [03:10] no, upstreams want things done cleanly [03:11] Feel free to go ahead [03:11] the patches use some things which are not in the spec [03:11] Yeah [03:11] mjg59: rodarvus seems to have disappeared... [03:11] and elijah would like to get the additions done to the spec first [03:11] pitti: No problem - I caught him earlier [03:11] pitti: Sorry for not letting you know! [03:11] hey pitti === pitti waves to Hobbsee === Hobbsee waves back to pitti, and continues to run around in circles [03:13] seb128: In any case, we're going to have to do something about compiz's desire to provide workspaces and viewports [03:13] right [03:13] I think I'll just apply the libwnck patches [03:14] Hobbsee: having fun? [03:14] ajmitch: kinda. i dont like exams :( [03:14] seb128: Because right now you'll get both of the offered, which is a recipe for confusion [03:15] Hobbsee: ok, you can fix up samba compilation for me then :) [03:15] ajmitch: nope...i'm almost off [03:15] Hobbsee, exams again? :P [03:15] Hobbsee: oh well, good luck :) [03:15] pygi: uh... [03:15] s/again/still/ I bet [03:15] I wrote one today, first one that went good I'd say :P [03:15] ajmitch: thanks === BenC [n=bcollins@adsl-69-232-218-170.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] hum [03:17] g-t has refresh issues when using compiz [03:17] when maximized the bottom line is not displayed correctly === mpt [n=mpt@dhcp64-134-210-122.hfwsf.sjc.wayport.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19] Ah ha. [03:20] seb128, am I allowed to enable libburn in brasero in feisty cycle? :) === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:20] pygi: I'm not maintaining brasero, maybe ask slomo, probably yeah ;) [03:20] mpt: Rev 9 of about-ubuntu is up, if you want to let me know what you think. [03:21] seb128, I'll take over that maintainership. The package is very bad IHMO :P [03:21] hey seb128 [03:21] hey jdub [03:21] good morning * :-) === carlos [i=carlos@conference/canonical/x-37974acd1d26c85d] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:21] jdub, right, morning in 3:31 AM :P [03:25] hey jdub [03:25] pygi: weren't you wanting to have it enabled in brasero right before edgy release? === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:26] ajmitch, yes, but we agreed not to do it [03:26] ajmitch, because it'd 'cause too much bug reports in such a short time [03:26] but since I'm essentially recreating Brasero package right now, I can as well enable libburn as well [03:26] ie, the work I put in to try & update & clean the package [03:26] ajmitch, yes, that ^_^ [03:27] but you did a very nice job with libburn, it even works now :P [03:27] unlike first two initial uploads [03:27] (not your fault tho) [03:28] going to push it for main for feisty? [03:28] ajmitch, the libburn? most probably, yes [03:29] we'll see how the development of it goes :) [03:29] pitti, !! === pitti ducks and whistles innocently [03:29] lol [03:29] heh [03:29] pitti: how's SF? [03:29] I wasn't it!! [03:30] :) [03:30] hows all hands ? [03:30] ajmitch: pretty rad! [03:30] thanks to Spads we had a great walk around the city, and today I bought Alcatraz tickets [03:30] (for visiting the cells from the *outside*, of course) :) [03:31] lol [03:31] imbrandon: many hands here indeed, and nice to get to know my colleagues [03:32] are either you or keescook doing any MIR this week, or should i poke yall next week ? [03:32] I did some today [03:32] imbrandon: just put it in the queue [03:32] ahh nice /me looks if libmtp got some love === ajmitch checks the queue [03:32] ok [03:33] no, it didn't [03:33] imbrandon: I just learned how to do MIRs today. :) [03:33] okies :) [03:33] hey hey hey jdub [03:33] imbrandon: libmtp? that got approved ages ago [03:33] pitti: I wonder if anyone is conspiring to lock you in. :-P [03:33] keescook, :) [03:33] pitti: libvirt approved, but xen-3.0 isn't reviewed? how does that work? [03:33] ajmitch: ENOTIME [03:33] going bottom-up [03:34] heh ok [03:34] it just depends on libxen3.0 though :) [03:34] yeah, yeah, tomorrow [03:34] no problem [03:34] I really wanted to do the ffox/tbird security updates today [03:34] I'm not the one needing it in main ASAP [03:34] There's a firefox security update? [03:34] keescook, welcome to MIR hell :) [03:34] since I just need it for virt-manager, which won't go into main yet [03:34] Oh, gasp. [03:34] ajmitch, my bet on libburn in main is until we have something that uses it === stub [n=stub@dhcp64-134-210-122.hfwsf.sjc.wayport.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:35] StevenK: 1.5.0.8 [03:35] ajmitch, for exameple if we get burning over LTSP bits done === StevenK finally figures out what MIR is. [03:35] example* === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.145.53] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:35] MIR? [03:35] main inclusion reports === ajmitch sees libnss-ldap in the queue [03:37] painful package, that one [03:37] I was building the libvirt package =( === fnordus [n=dnall@24.85.128.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:38] ahh pitti , my mistake looks like you approved libmtp ( i just dident get to it in time for edgy ) [03:38] thanks [03:38] :) === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martin [i=martin@conference/canonical/x-ea774625598baf31] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] fernando: sorry, I'd had it mostly ready for awhile, and it was needed for something else === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martin [i=martin@conference/canonical/x-62f0d968586f0976] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [i=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martin [i=martin@conference/canonical/x-62f0d968586f0976] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [i=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:44] ajmitch: what do you need? [03:45] hey pitti === pitti waves to seb128 [03:46] fernando: sorry? [03:46] ping carlos === niktaris [n=niktaris@ppp93-69.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [i=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:50] somebody is building the virt-manager package? [03:50] fernando: yes, I said I am === zul [n=bob@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:50] hey zul [03:50] hehehe [03:50] zul: you recovered the power supply? [03:50] muhahaha its alive === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:51] zul: cool, if you build me a kernel I can test, I'll try & break my box tonight [03:52] or tomorrow [03:52] ok [03:52] whichever works :) [03:52] or the next day [03:52] I'll have to restart stuff because of the wonders of dbus === pitti [i=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martin [i=martin@conference/canonical/x-d5192ba0b7e23e2f] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128_ [i=seb@conference/canonical/x-fe522bc00988b8e0] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki [n=shenki@ppp74-164.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martin [i=martin@conference/canonical/x-4b05a2f94debcdcb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [i=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martin [i=martin@conference/canonical/x-4b05a2f94debcdcb] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] === pitti [i=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] keescook: yeah! 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#ubuntu-devel [10:21] Any thoughts on a versioning backup system for feisty? i.e. you have it watch folders with inotify and when a file is modified it makes a hidden backup with a timestamp in the filename [10:21] and then a GUI for people to regress files to earlier versions [10:21] I have a basic working implementation in python, and was thinking of submitting a spec, but wanted to see if there was any interest [10:22] rcarr: contact https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-backup [10:23] Ah, thank you === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.76.170] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180074194.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gerry [n=heavyg@x-net.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@137.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined 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[11:52] only generic [11:52] When will the linux-image-generic get updated to the new feisty kernels? [11:53] jovans: there's been a discussion on the ubuntu-devel mailing list, please look that up [11:53] hunger: presumably when l-r-m is done [11:54] because i had used alwas this kernel i have an amd [11:54] Hobbsee: Great! [11:54] jovans: it was found that there were almost no performance differences [11:55] yes u are wright === shenki_ is now known as shenki === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.144.113] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] one more question. why cannot see a detailed startup when i boot my machine? I only see die ubuntu logo === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] I'm looking on the feisty release schedule. Is there a date set when universe freezes? [12:22] geser: not any time soon [12:27] geser: it will be some time between UpstreamVersionFreeze and Beta Freeze most likely === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@40-88-199-200.vcnet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@host-81-191-165-41.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niktaris [n=nitkaris@ppp237-084.dsl.hol.gr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-19-24.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.72.63.61] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] I don't understand why in edgy the pppoeconf version has been incremented to ubuntu1 with just "Resynchronise with Debian." in the changelog. If it's a sync, there is no ubuntu change? [01:21] But it's not a sync. There is likely a changelog entry further down that details what changes have been made in Ubuntu. === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.145.247] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] StevenK: ok, but the remaining ubuntu changes are not mentioned, shouldn't they be? [01:26] Adri2000: Until about half way through Edgy, they didn't have to be. [01:26] ok === jsgmobile [n=jsgmobil@121.97.196.127] has joined #ubuntu-devel === S_Shah [n=oio@212-1-143-66.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === S_Shah [n=oio@212-1-143-66.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:30] Adri2000: it's only recently that that's being forced. and people can miss changes, etc, so it's better to check [01:34] and now what's the exact policy about the changelog when merging with debian? [01:36] Adri2000: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000182.html === jsgmobile [n=jsgmobil@121.97.196.127] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] grab-merge.sh writes in the changelog "Merge from debian unstable", that or "Merged with Debian." I think it doesn't matter? we just have to describe the ubuntu changes. And the scripts signs the changelog with "Ubuntu Merge-o-Matic", I should change that also? [01:41] script* [01:44] yes, you should put your name in the changelog [01:44] I use dch -e to edit the changelog after a merge. It puts your name below it automagically. 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