| Burgwork | I intend to make it so | 12:15 |
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| LaserJock | I can't imagine the TB wanting to be responsible for deciding | 12:19 |
| crimsun | I don't imagine that's vaguely relevant to TB, even. | 12:19 |
| minghua | ouch @ the soliciting mail on -devel | 12:20 |
| bhale | ugh | 12:21 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock: somebody needs to decide if non-MOTUs can post to the list | 12:23 |
| bhale | what list? | 12:23 |
| Burgwork | the new -devel list, that only MOTU and core-dev can post to | 12:24 |
| bhale | why not members | 12:24 |
| bhale | for "people like yo" | 12:24 |
| Burgwork | well, there are people who are members and still contribute to the noise | 12:24 |
| bhale | yes if i was the guy in charge there would be no such thing | 12:25 |
| bhale | but im an uncompromising jerk | 12:25 |
| Burgwork | I live in fear of such a day | 12:25 |
| bhale | me in charge? | 12:25 |
| bhale | or cutting Members | 12:25 |
| Burgwork | both | 12:25 |
| bhale | it seems like anyone can be a member | 12:25 |
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| Burgwork | that is the point | 12:25 |
| bhale | thus claiming to represent us in the world | 12:26 |
| bhale | hostmask, email etc | 12:26 |
| bhale | < not a fan | 12:26 |
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| crimsun | I think it's a good thing to have membership be a much lower bar, and I'm in favour of an ubuntu-dev-only list | 12:26 |
| Burgwork | but there is a class of "highly-technical-but-not-MOTU" who can add value, such as myself | 12:27 |
| bhale | and the CC doesn't have the time to differentiate | 12:27 |
| Burgwork | no, but that isn't their job, in this case | 12:28 |
| Burgwork | it is a tb decision, really | 12:28 |
| bhale | well, what makes your word better than RandomForumUser | 12:28 |
| bhale | who posted 100 times | 12:28 |
| bhale | and convinced someone to vouch for him as a member | 12:28 |
| bhale | *I* know better | 12:28 |
| crimsun | perhaps we just need another LP team | 12:29 |
| Burgwork | quite simple; other people trust me and I have proven myself not to contribute to the noise ratio | 12:29 |
| bhale | a casual observer doesnt know the difference | 12:29 |
| crimsun | like a ubuntu-dev-list-approved team or whatever | 12:29 |
| Burgwork | that isn't the point | 12:29 |
| bhale | not for the list | 12:29 |
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| Burgwork | like for membership and MOTU, you need to prove yourself to a set body, not the world | 12:32 |
| minghua | crimsun: you are not afraid of \sh complaining about more teams again? ;-) | 12:33 |
| crimsun | people complain about everything; one more complaint won't reverse the Earth's revolution | 12:34 |
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| LaserJock | imbrandon: assignment? | 12:59 |
| === LaserJock thinks imbrandon has super uber MOTU powers | ||
| imbrandon | LaserJock, i forgot a debian/copyright in a NEW package i uploaded, so i had to right it 1000 times :) | 01:00 |
| LaserJock | hahaha | 01:00 |
| imbrandon | s/right/write | 01:00 |
| imbrandon | so as a joke I did , and emailed it to him when i uploaded the fixed package :) | 01:01 |
| nixternal | oi | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | darn it, stupid metric system!!! | 01:02 |
| minghua | I bet imbradon used some scripts or smart editor functions | 01:02 |
| minghua | LaserJock: come on, you are a scientist | 01:02 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: quit lieing...you didn't write it hundred times, you copied/pasted it 100 times..actually probably just 10, as the list got longer, so did the pastes ;) | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | shhhh | 01:02 |
| nixternal | haha | 01:02 |
| minghua | LaserJock: or do American chemists use ounces other than grams? | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | yeah, and I just found out I bought a metric translation stage for $500 :/ | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | now I've got to return it :( | 01:03 |
| nixternal | minghua: seeing as the dealers in chicago use grahams, and they are some pretty darn good chemists from what i hear ;p | 01:03 |
| nixternal | graham cracker? | 01:03 |
| nixternal | wth is wrong with me | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | heh | 01:03 |
| nixternal | grams... | 01:03 |
| nixternal | i think i have a tumor, not a brain | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | so today I have a dead vacuum pump, dead laser (luckily I we fixed it), and a stupid metric translation stage | 01:04 |
| minghua | what's a translation stage BTW? | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | s/I we/ my boss and I/ | 01:05 |
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| LaserJock | well, my particular one is http://www.newport.com/401406-Series-High-Performance-Large-Platform-Two-/140117/1033/catalog.aspx | 01:05 |
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| Simon80 | how do you buy something like that by accident? | 01:07 |
| minghua | I see. I think I've seen these things in labs | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | bhale: don't worry, with the various team councils, there's potential for the bar being set even lower | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | Simon80: they are identical, just one version is metric | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | Simon80: so I guess I accidentally clicked on the metric one | 01:08 |
| Simon80 | as opposed to Imp? | 01:08 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 01:08 |
| nixternal | everytime you talk about this stuff LaserJock, i always picture the mini-me scene with the " lazer " | 01:08 |
| Simon80 | ah | 01:08 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: no, I'm the lab Laser Safety Officer, I don't allow laser humping | 01:09 |
| Simon80 | it can be perfectly safe, with the right protective implements... | 01:10 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 01:12 |
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| bhale | ajmitch: nice | 01:15 |
| ajmitch | bhale: like a forum council which can approve members on forums | 01:17 |
| bhale | oh jeez | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | so has dchroot been swallowed up by schroot? | 01:18 |
| imbrandon | and council greyskull :) | 01:18 |
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| LaserJock | but Council Grayskull will have a high bar | 01:19 |
| LaserJock | not everyone can have the right to wear the He-Man sword ;-) | 01:19 |
| Simon80 | dchroot, schroot? what? | 01:19 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock: you are, undoubtably, a very boring person | 01:19 |
| bhale | LaserJock: as I said, I had a he-man sword | 01:19 |
| LaserJock | bhale: I know, that's why you get to be a MOTU ;-) | 01:20 |
| crimsun | who needs council greyskull when we have the trinity of motu? | 01:20 |
| LaserJock | mwhuahaha | 01:20 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: sorry, I'm not so boring in real life, I swear ;-) | 01:20 |
| imbrandon | lol , every time i hear that i think of the matrix | 01:20 |
| bhale | crimsun: is it just a trinity? | 01:20 |
| bhale | slomo ajmitch dholbach siretart | 01:21 |
| bhale | make 4 | 01:21 |
| crimsun | nah, LaserJock, bddebian, and imbrandon. | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | bhale: nah | 01:21 |
| bhale | really, you trust those lamers? | 01:21 |
| LaserJock | is that the trinity of stupidity? | 01:21 |
| imbrandon | heh | 01:21 |
| imbrandon | bbiab , dinner time | 01:21 |
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| bhale | the upload whores | 01:22 |
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| === bhale hugs bddebian | ||
| Burgwork | dude, I need to become a MOTU, just to become an upload whore | 01:22 |
| === ajmitch isn't worthy of such a title | ||
| ajmitch | I just go for touching a few packages | 01:23 |
| crimsun | we're just mere mortals | 01:23 |
| Simon80 | Burgwork: will you upload to just about anywhere? | 01:23 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I don't upload much | 01:23 |
| === bddebian doesn't do shit :-( | ||
| Rasman | how does someone go about getting involved with ubuntu? | 01:26 |
| crimsun | topic has some pointers | 01:26 |
| crimsun | see /MOTU , for instance | 01:27 |
| Rasman | I have already submitted bugs but I would like to learn how a bug is resolved and see if there is somewhere I can assist. | 01:27 |
| nixternal | <crimsun> we're just mere mortals | 01:28 |
| nixternal | way to modest | 01:28 |
| ajmitch | nixternal: crimsun is always like that - he does more than the rest of the team put together | 01:28 |
| nixternal | he is a team | 01:28 |
| bhale | I think I uploaded something last month | 01:29 |
| bhale | maybe not | 01:29 |
| bhale | I will be thrown out one of these days | 01:29 |
| ajmitch | I uploaded a new package last week, and that's about it | 01:29 |
| nixternal | i have people upload for me | 01:29 |
| nixternal | i can 'dput revu' though ;) | 01:29 |
| xopher | Where could I find information on how-to include a new package into the official ubuntu repos? | 01:32 |
| LaserJock | !revu | 01:32 |
| ubotu | REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU | 01:32 |
| joejaxx | good old revu | 01:33 |
| minghua | bddebian: Can you have a look at ygraph and confirm what I said on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Science/UpstreamDelta that everything except the .desktop file stuff are just junk during build? | 01:34 |
| minghua | bddebian: in that case we can sync from debian and discard ubuntu changes | 01:34 |
| LaserJock | that's right minghua, crack the whip on him | 01:36 |
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| LaserJock | me? but what did I do? ;-) | 01:37 |
| imbrandon | dholbach, ping | 01:38 |
| dholbach | imbrandon: pong | 01:38 |
| ajmitch | the dholbach is in :) | 01:38 |
| minghua | aha, so the feisty testing CDs are going to be called Herd? | 01:38 |
| imbrandon | mind if i add "drop distro check, get rid of message when using dch -i <Ubuntu distro>." back with ubuntu distronames, my thinking is many will mispell feisty | 01:38 |
| imbrandon | dholbach, ^ | 01:39 |
| imbrandon | to devscripts | 01:39 |
| === minghua anticipates the confusion this will cause among Chinese users (due to Hurd) | ||
| ajmitch | minghua: at least we can say that the herd released :) | 01:40 |
| imbrandon | lol | 01:40 |
| imbrandon | does gNewSense have a hurd kernel ? | 01:40 |
| ajmitch | I hope not | 01:40 |
| dholbach | imbrandon: so you'd add all the {warty,hoary,breezy,dapper, edgy},{,-updates,-backports,-security} combinations to it? | 01:40 |
| dholbach | imbrandon: if you want to do that ... sure | 01:40 |
| imbrandon | dholbach, that was my thinking yes | 01:40 |
| imbrandon | ok cool | 01:40 |
| imbrandon | that way when people mispell feisty it will prompt to make sure thats what they want | 01:41 |
| imbrandon | ok i'll do that after dinner | 01:41 |
| dholbach | . o O { fisty } | 01:41 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 01:41 |
| ajmitch | "Are you really, _really_ sure about this?" | 01:42 |
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| minghua | (or does it do that already?) | 01:43 |
| imbrandon | minghua, that what i was talking about , when you use "dch -i -Dblah" | 01:43 |
| imbrandon | it uses what ever editor , nano/emacs/vim | 01:43 |
| imbrandon | what ever VISUAL is set to | 01:44 |
| minghua | imbrandon: I am talking about syntax highlighting | 01:44 |
| minghua | currently if you misspell "unstable", it will be highlighted as "Error" in vim | 01:44 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 01:44 |
| imbrandon | ok really dinner, bbiab | 01:45 |
| minghua | which is something IMHO having a better chance to be included in Debian | 01:45 |
| LaserJock | is that because it is mispelled or because it isn't a proper Debian release | 01:45 |
| minghua | LaserJock: the latter | 01:45 |
| LaserJock | cool | 01:45 |
| minghua | so you guys think this is a good idea? I'll probably do it tonight then | 01:46 |
| imbrandon | sounds ok to me | 01:46 |
| minghua | imbrandon: of course that's quite independent to what you are trying to do | 01:47 |
| imbrandon | i dont use vim for changelogs but i'm sure for those that do will like it | 01:47 |
| imbrandon | minghua, right | 01:47 |
| imbrandon | two seperate packages and things, but the same idea | 01:47 |
| imbrandon | err same problem | 01:47 |
| imbrandon | i wonder if nano supports syntax hilighting , i doubt it | 01:48 |
| imbrandon | something to look at later tonight | 01:48 |
| bhale | crimsun: sweet, no sond | 01:48 |
| bhale | sound* | 01:48 |
| bhale | i'm sure you hear that all the time :) | 01:48 |
| bhale | crimsun: ah im dumb, feisty upgrade set PCM mixer to 0 | 01:49 |
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| ajmitch | hello Hobbsee | 02:17 |
| ajmitch | pygi: fix it up | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | hey ajmitch | 02:17 |
| pygi | ajmitch, I'm fixing it already, no worries :) | 02:17 |
| === imbrandon considers upgrading horatio to feisty and riding the wave | ||
| Lathiat | i upgraded my deskto plast night | 02:26 |
| Lathiat | including the "desktop crack" button | 02:26 |
| imbrandon | lol | 02:26 |
| imbrandon | i upgraded my laptop but i rarely use my laptop at home | 02:27 |
| imbrandon | soo | 02:27 |
| ajmitch | yeah, currently I've just upgraded the laptop to feisty, the desktop hasn't had the upgrade love yet | 02:28 |
| xopher | humm, anyone from the helsinki area here? I need to get my gpg-key signed.. Or is there a virtual way to confirm my identity? | 02:28 |
| Lathiat | xopher: gpg signing is generally a physical thing | 02:28 |
| xopher | So Ive read yeah | 02:29 |
| Lathiat | doesnt necesarily need to be anyone from ubuntu i dont think? | 02:29 |
| pygi | Lathiat, someone from MOTU people ^_^ | 02:29 |
| pygi | or core-dev | 02:29 |
| xopher | right, dont think a MOTU lives next door | 02:29 |
| pygi | xopher, heh | 02:29 |
| pygi | perhaps he/she does :P | 02:29 |
| ajmitch | you're more likely to find a debian developer | 02:30 |
| pygi | that is also a problem in Croatia :P | 02:30 |
| xopher | hhehe | 02:30 |
| pygi | xopher, I can count one MoTU from Croatia :P | 02:30 |
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| pygi | ajmitch, right ^_^ | 02:31 |
| xopher | pygi, is there a list of MOTUs somewhere? :P | 02:31 |
| pygi | xopher, ofcourse, but not where they live ^_^ | 02:31 |
| imbrandon | i dont think there is a MOTU in the same square miles of me as croatia is | 02:31 |
| imbrandon | :) | 02:31 |
| ajmitch | xopher: look for debian developers in helsinki | 02:32 |
| pygi | imbrandon, I must say I lost you on that one :P | 02:32 |
| xopher | allright | 02:32 |
| xopher | thanks | 02:32 |
| imbrandon | e.g if you took the area of croatia and put it arround me there would not be a MOTU in my area either | 02:32 |
| joejaxx | hello everyone | 02:32 |
| pygi | imbrandon, ah, that :P | 02:33 |
| imbrandon | there are lots in the US but not in the same ammount of area | 02:33 |
| imbrandon | :) | 02:33 |
| ajmitch | https://nm.debian.org/gpg_offer.php | 02:33 |
| pygi | imbrandon, ofcourse :P | 02:33 |
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| ajmitch | http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=helsinki | 02:33 |
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| eaglehawk | hello everybody | 02:33 |
| eaglehawk | someone would like to comment on: why alsa not updated to 1.0.13 in edgy yet | 02:34 |
| pygi | ajmitch, heh, just two debian devs | 02:34 |
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| joejaxx | haha ajmitch no one in nj | 02:34 |
| ajmitch | 5 in dunedin, NZ | 02:34 |
| ajmitch | (DDs that I know of) | 02:34 |
| pygi | ajmitch, what does biglumber gives? | 02:35 |
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| eaglehawk | someone would like to comment on: why alsa not updated to 1.0.13 in edgy yet | 02:36 |
| ajmitch | 2 people | 02:36 |
| ajmitch | eaglehawk: patience | 02:36 |
| eaglehawk | ok | 02:36 |
| pygi | ajmitch, it gives 5 people for "zageb" but I'm quite sure none of them is debian or ubuntu dev | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | eaglehawk: in edgy? | 02:40 |
| === ajmitch misread that as feisty already | ||
| eaglehawk | yes edgy | 02:40 |
| ajmitch | it will not be upgraded in edgy | 02:40 |
| ajmitch | edgy is released | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: hehe, thought you might have | 02:40 |
| joejaxx | has anyone tried cdebootstrap with ubuntu? | 02:40 |
| eaglehawk | why is so still so many sound issues with 1.0.11 | 02:40 |
| eaglehawk | 1.0.13 might fix many laptop and front speaker and hda-intel issues? | 02:42 |
| minghua | eaglehawk: "might"? do you have concrete examples? | 02:43 |
| joejaxx | it seems like i am going to have to modify a debian upstream package and fork it because it does not work with ubuntu | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | eaglehawk: it's also likely to break many more things. edgy is released | 02:43 |
| eaglehawk | hobbsee: what can it break as 1.0.13 is the final release and it fixes many audio codecs as stated on the alsa website and bugtracker? | 02:44 |
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| crimsun | bhale: yep, a bug (known: #21804 ), hopefully addressed this release | 02:56 |
| bddebian | minghua: Sorry was bathing the kids and putting them to bed. Did you still need me to look at something? | 03:02 |
| minghua | bddebian: yes, ygraph | 03:02 |
| minghua | bddebian: you old merge had a lot of build-system diffs | 03:02 |
| minghua | bddebian: which I don't understand (and think they are just uncleaned autotools-generated junk) | 03:03 |
| bddebian | minghua: Yeah, should be fine | 03:04 |
| minghua | bddebian: I'll file sync request then, thanks | 03:05 |
| bddebian | NP | 03:05 |
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| fernando | hi all | 03:30 |
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| imbrandon | ello fernando | 03:41 |
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| fernando | hi imbrandon | 03:42 |
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| ajmitch | afternoon Burgundavia | 03:42 |
| LaserJock | re | 03:42 |
| Burgundavia | 'ello | 03:42 |
| lastnode | Burgundavia, got a sec for a pm? | 03:43 |
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| imbrandon | ugh that does it | 03:50 |
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| imbrandon | desktop is getting feisty | 03:50 |
| zul | muhahaha its alive | 03:50 |
| === imbrandon crosses fingers | ||
| imbrandon | heya zul | 03:50 |
| zul | hey imbrandon | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | I can't figure out how to make a feisty chroot at the moment :/ | 03:53 |
| zul | make an edgy chroot and upgrade? | 03:53 |
| pygi | LaserJock, hm, debootstrap ? | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | well the edgy dchroot is all weird | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | it depends on schroot | 03:54 |
| LaserJock | and then there is no /etc/dchroot.conf | 03:54 |
| LaserJock | so I started wondering what happened to it | 03:54 |
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| LaserJock | so dchroot is dead or something | 03:58 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch, well i'm editing the sources.list, i think i'm gonna blow my uptime and dive right in | 03:59 |
| rmjb | hi, how can I get an updated source package into feisty? | 04:00 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: Yes, since schroot can do anything dchroot can. | 04:00 |
| rmjb | I tested dmraid rc13 on a feisty pbuilder and it worked... should I upload to revu or something? | 04:01 |
| StevenK | There's a document in schroot about migrating. | 04:01 |
| pygi | rmjb, what do you wanna update? | 04:01 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: yeah, I'm doing it a few packages at a time right now | 04:01 |
| rmjb | pygi: dmraid | 04:01 |
| pygi | rmjb, that is where? universe? | 04:01 |
| rmjb | yeah | 04:01 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: my uptime will disappear once I do some xen testing anyway | 04:02 |
| LaserJock | StevenK: hmm, ok | 04:02 |
| pygi | ah,k, revu is sane choice | 04:02 |
| imbrandon | 450 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 04:02 |
| imbrandon | Need to get 449MB of archives. | 04:02 |
| imbrandon | here we go | 04:02 |
| LaserJock | StevenK: schroot seems much more difficult to set up though | 04:02 |
| zakame | who pingedme earlier? | 04:02 |
| rmjb | pygi: okay, I just checked, debian unstable is up to dmraid rc13... should I check MoM then? | 04:03 |
| pygi | rmjb, I think we'll auto-sync then or something | 04:03 |
| rmjb | okay, there's a conflict and I'll resolve it | 04:04 |
| LaserJock | zakame: we were talking about electricsheep | 04:04 |
| zakame | LaserJock: oh | 04:06 |
| zakame | LaserJock: what about it? | 04:06 |
| zakame | aside from my mistake? :P | 04:06 |
| LaserJock | that's all | 04:07 |
| zakame | ah hehe | 04:07 |
| LaserJock | well, your changelog should also list the specific changes you kept | 04:07 |
| LaserJock | so we can keep track better | 04:07 |
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| zakame | should we really do that? after all there is the previous changelog entry; what I'd keep track of are the changes _not_ kept in the latest merge | 04:08 |
| LaserJock | yes, it is now policy | 04:09 |
| LaserJock | to list the Ubuntu changes you kept | 04:09 |
| zakame | hmm ok; where's the policy document? | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | not sure if we have a document for that | 04:11 |
| imbrandon | it was sent to the devel list | 04:11 |
| LaserJock | there was an email from Keybuk | 04:11 |
| LaserJock | we do need a doc for it, perhaps it's on the DevelopersResources page | 04:11 |
| rmjb | motus & hopefuls should also subscribe to the devel list? | 04:11 |
| zakame | waah, a policy only documented in email, what a shame :( | 04:12 |
| LaserJock | rmjb: of course :-) | 04:12 |
| imbrandon | rmjb, well a MOTU is a ubuntu-dev so i would say so | 04:12 |
| LaserJock | at least ubuntu-devel-announce | 04:12 |
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| rmjb | any others? I'm only on motu | 04:12 |
| zakame | rmjb: your locoteam list, if it has one :) | 04:12 |
| imbrandon | rmjb, depends on the teams your part, of or intrested in | 04:13 |
| rmjb | for now only motu | 04:13 |
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| rmjb | and I don't think there's more than 20 ubuntu users in Trinidad | 04:13 |
| imbrandon | well motu is a developer thus the name of the group is ubuntu-dev :) | 04:13 |
| rmjb | hmm should also join that channel too I guess | 04:14 |
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| zakame | oh there we go, "Merge Policy Change" | 04:15 |
| zakame | where should I put that in the wiki? MOTU/Documentation/Merging/Policy? | 04:16 |
| LaserJock | you could put it there for the time being | 04:16 |
| LaserJock | I'll probably merge it in with some other policy stuff later | 04:16 |
| LaserJock | so it'll probably move around | 04:16 |
| zakame | ok, I'll do just that :D | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | MOTU/Processes/Merging ? | 04:18 |
| imbrandon | most of that type things are in the processes namespace | 04:19 |
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| LaserJock | either way, I'll probably move stuff around anyway ;-) | 04:22 |
| imbrandon | i think after tonight i'll have uploaded more packages already to feisty than the whole edgy cycle | 04:23 |
| imbrandon | wow | 04:23 |
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| ajmitch | zakame: generally current policy should be on DeveloperResources | 04:23 |
| zakame | LaserJock: ok, saved it under MOTU/merging/Policy | 04:23 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: I find that hard to believe, just how many packages are you uploading tonight? | 04:24 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: well, that's more of a Main thing isn't it? | 04:24 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: it documents it for the whole distro | 04:24 |
| zakame | ajmitch: too late, just ssaved it | 04:24 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, i mean to feisty altogather, but after i finish tonight about 10, i forgot how many i did in the edgy cycle ( i'm sure its probably more though ) | 04:24 |
| LaserJock | hmm, that reminds me | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | I'm supposed to be working on the Ubuntu Developer's Reference :( | 04:25 |
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| zakame | ajmitch: well I'll just be leaving the moving-around to LaserJock then while merging ;) | 04:25 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: not bad, you'll probably do about 20x more than me :) | 04:26 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, nah i tend to do alot at the begning and end | 04:26 |
| imbrandon | not much in the middle | 04:26 |
| imbrandon | dunno why | 04:26 |
| ajmitch | you'll still do more | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | I'll just try & slay some dragons like FDS | 04:27 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 04:28 |
| imbrandon | here be dragons | 04:28 |
| imbrandon | hrm upgrade to feisty done, guess i should cross my fingers and reboot | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | reboot??? | 04:30 |
| imbrandon | if i'm not back in a few, tell my mum i fought the dragons well | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | you're going to reboot a feisty machine?? ;-) | 04:30 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, yea new kernel | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | should be fine, the forums say so anyway :-) | 04:30 |
| imbrandon | LOL | 04:30 |
| pygi | LaserJock, forums say a lot of things | 04:31 |
| imbrandon | well ..... i dunno what to say to that | 04:31 |
| imbrandon | except we have reasons to upgrade | 04:31 |
| imbrandon | :) | 04:31 |
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| LaserJock | anybody got a feisty schroot set up? | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | will a xen domain do instead? | 04:50 |
| minghua | what is the difference between a feisty chroot and a feisty schroot? | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | nope, I haven't figured Xen out | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | schroot is an app to manage chroots, I think | 04:51 |
| minghua | that's my understanding as well | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to create a feisty chroot | 04:52 |
| minghua | so LaserJock did you mean "who had feisty schroot program installed and set up"? | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | yes | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | but I figured people would know what I meant ;-) | 04:52 |
| minghua | well you know I am not a native speaker :-P | 04:53 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, why not just make an edgy one and upgrade it ? | 04:54 |
| imbrandon | btw the upgrade went smooth and i'm back | 04:55 |
| imbrandon | hopefully it will stay this way lol | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: no, no. The issue is not that it's feisty | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | it's that I can't figure out how to make a chroot with schroot | 04:56 |
| imbrandon | oh | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | as dchroot seems to be depreciated | 04:56 |
| imbrandon | should be the same, they are interchangeable afaik | 04:56 |
| imbrandon | i've only use dchroot | 04:56 |
| minghua | LaserJock: by "make chroot", did you mean "create a chroot environment"? | 04:56 |
| imbrandon | minghua, yes, that is what that means | 04:56 |
| minghua | because when I used dchroot, I created a chroot environment using debootstrap first, then just point dchroot to it | 04:57 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: schroot has a compatibility mode. | 04:57 |
| imbrandon | correct | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | ah, well that's true I suppose | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | but I'm stuck with how to use it | 04:57 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: It will read a dchroot.conf | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | maybe I should just give up on dchroot/schroot | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | I suppose I don't *have* to have it | 04:58 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, nah | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | I've just always done it that way | 04:58 |
| StevenK | You could always just use 'sudo chroot' ? | 04:58 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, did you read the wiki on debootstrap ? | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: of course | 04:59 |
| imbrandon | :) | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | sorry guys, I'm feeling stupid here | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | my main issue was there was no /etc/dchroot.conf | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | so I was a little confused about what to do | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | StevenK: so I should be able to just create a /etc/dchroot.conf and schroot will be ok with it | 05:03 |
| minghua | syn match debchangelogTarget contained "\( stable\| frozen\| unstable\| testing-proposed-updates\| experimental\| sarge-backports\| sarge-volatile\| stable-security\| testing-security\)\+" | 05:05 |
| minghua | Hmm, this is going to be messy for ubuntu | 05:05 |
| minghua | (that's vim's debian/changelog distribution checking I mentioned earlier) | 05:06 |
| zakame | hmm making a chroot? | 05:09 |
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| joejaxx | nice | 05:26 |
| joejaxx | i just tricked deboostrap | 05:26 |
| joejaxx | :D | 05:26 |
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| joejaxx | :) | 05:28 |
| zakame | did it get angry? | 05:28 |
| joejaxx | now | 05:28 |
| joejaxx | nope | 05:28 |
| joejaxx | i am downloading a powerpc chroot to my 386 machine | 05:29 |
| minghua | wait until debootstrap realize she was tricked | 05:29 |
| LaserJock | bah, this scibuntu is frustrating :/ | 05:29 |
| zakame | ah, --arch=ppc | 05:29 |
| joejaxx | nope | 05:29 |
| joejaxx | that does not work | 05:29 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: scibuntu? | 05:29 |
| zakame | new tribe? | 05:30 |
| minghua | zakame: some script | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx, good luck with getting anything to work that way :) you have to do some bin_fmt and qemu trickery , trust me i've spent the last 3 ro 4 months working on it | 05:30 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: :D | 05:30 |
| joejaxx | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/joejaxx/random/edit mount -t proc proc /proc | 05:30 |
| joejaxx | HAHA | 05:31 |
| zakame | imbrandon: there's been some easier(?) news about setting up mipsel and m68k buildds on i386 though | 05:31 |
| LaserJock | now they want it to be an "official" Ubuntu flavor | 05:31 |
| imbrandon | zakame, yea but its still with qemu and bin-fmt trickery | 05:31 |
| zakame | arcane, isn't it | 05:31 |
| minghua | LaserJock: people can always dream | 05:31 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: are you serious? | 05:31 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=298784 | 05:32 |
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| imbrandon | http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2006/11/google-sponsors-linuxbios-project.html#links | 05:33 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch, we really should have poked someone about speeding up pbuilder dependancy checking at MTV | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: do it! | 05:37 |
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| crimsun | you're in the motu trinity, you should be able to fix it! | 05:38 |
| === imbrandon is compiling in zune(tm) support to amarok for feisty, ohhh the pain | ||
| joejaxx | imbrandon: lol | 05:38 |
| zakame | wahahaha | 05:38 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, hehe | 05:38 |
| crimsun | and there's no such thing as pain, since you're in the motu trinity | 05:38 |
| crimsun | (oh you three are screwed now :-) | 05:38 |
| imbrandon | yea i can see it | 05:38 |
| imbrandon | s/it/that | 05:39 |
| imbrandon | :) | 05:39 |
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| joejaxx | :P | 05:39 |
| crimsun | bddebian: yes you are | 05:39 |
| pygi | whats all this mess about? :P | 05:39 |
| bddebian | crimsun: What have I done lately? Nothing :-( | 05:40 |
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| crimsun | bddebian: fortunately you're a deity; you don't have to do anything :-p | 05:40 |
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| bddebian | Uhm, yeah | 05:40 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: yeah, God rested on the 7th day, you get to rest for a release or so ;-) | 05:41 |
| imbrandon | :) | 05:41 |
| imbrandon | i need some new tunes, i'm getting tired of this collection | 05:41 |
| zakame | old-time-radio | 05:42 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: I HOPE I'm not out through ALL of Feisty :-( | 05:42 |
| imbrandon | am radio | 05:42 |
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| crimsun | eek, Herd 1 by the end of the month | 05:43 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 05:43 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, yea two weeks | 05:43 |
| zakame | hmm, The Herd | 05:43 |
| bddebian | crimsun: ? | 05:43 |
| LaserJock | I was kinda surprised | 05:43 |
| crimsun | [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule | 05:43 |
| imbrandon | i was too, so soon | 05:43 |
| bddebian | Oh, sheesh | 05:43 |
| LaserJock | I think it's a probably a good idea though | 05:43 |
| zakame | naah nothing the motu trinity can't handle ;) | 05:43 |
| LaserJock | get something people can start doing installation tests, etc on | 05:43 |
| crimsun | zakame: precisely | 05:43 |
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| imbrandon | Rebuild Test, Upgrade Testing begins | 05:44 |
| joejaxx | yeah i do not like edgy :( | 05:44 |
| imbrandon | ^^ glad to see some upgrad testing this time | 05:44 |
| joejaxx | 4605 joejaxx 25 0 88088 34m 19m R 99.0 2.7 343:24.16 nautilus | 05:44 |
| joejaxx | 99% cpu | 05:45 |
| joejaxx | that is ridiculous | 05:45 |
| zakame | LaserJock: main merges require debdiffs from a MOTU right? | 05:45 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, you have a room full of apples and no itunes library ? heh | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: sadly no | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: we are scientists, music would be too ... normal | 05:46 |
| imbrandon | zakame, huh? main merges only require a main sponsor to upload them, anyone can make one, even a non-MOTU | 05:46 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, hahaha right on | 05:46 |
| LaserJock | actually, there's nothing quite as fun as the lasers running at 10Hz with the big speakers pumping out Credence Clearwater Revival | 05:47 |
| zakame | imbrandon: just checking, thanks | 05:47 |
| joejaxx | and it is still taking up over 90% cpu | 05:47 |
| imbrandon | ( but its standard proc to poke the last person to touch the package before starting on it ) | 05:47 |
| zakame | imbrandon: hmm so something like debian's RFS system right? | 05:49 |
| imbrandon | sorta i guess, never thoguht abotu it like that | 05:50 |
| imbrandon | but yea | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | schroot hates me :( | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | I can't get it to take dchroot.conf | 05:51 |
| LaserJock | and it doesn't like my attempt at a schroot.conf | 05:51 |
| LaserJock | go figure | 05:51 |
| zakame | schroot: do not want | 05:52 |
| LaserJock | hmm, maybe it's ok :/ | 05:53 |
| imbrandon | nano bip/bip.conf | 05:53 |
| imbrandon | ger | 05:53 |
| nixternal | hey, with multiple pbuilders, using the latest debootstrap is ok? | 05:56 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, i am with no issues, yes, but i'm not a pbuilder expert | 05:57 |
| nixternal | ok, i was guessing it was ok, otherwise you wouldn't be able to do multiple pbuilders | 05:57 |
| crimsun | "latest" being...? | 05:57 |
| crimsun | and yes, it appears to be fine here | 05:57 |
| nixternal | well, im actually using the one from the edgy repos | 05:57 |
| crimsun | it->edgy | 05:58 |
| zakame | I have multiple dchroots with a pbuilder in each of them | 05:58 |
| LaserJock | hmm, is it ok bindmount /tmp? | 05:58 |
| crimsun | carefully. | 05:58 |
| zakame | yeah, no probs so far | 05:59 |
| imbrandon | i dunno about temp but watch bindmouting somthing under your pbuolder root like /var/cache/pbuilder/edgy/result or similar | 05:59 |
| imbrandon | that can get messy | 06:00 |
| zakame | right | 06:00 |
| zakame | brb, good eats | 06:01 |
| imbrandon | the only think i auto bindmount is ccache dir, and i manualy bindmoutn my /home so i can use files when i pbuilder login | 06:01 |
| zakame | circle-jerk-bindmount | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I'm talking about bindmounting in a chroot | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | not a pbuilder | 06:03 |
| minghua | IIRC pbuilder man page advise against bindmounting /var/cache/apt/archives/ | 06:03 |
| imbrandon | well a pbuilder is essentialy a chroot that gets reset at logout | 06:03 |
| imbrandon | so alot of the same apply | 06:03 |
| LaserJock | I know | 06:03 |
| LaserJock | but I'm not bindmounting something under my pbuilder root is what I'm saying | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | I'd much rather use a pbuilder for this :/ | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | maybe I should look into some hooks | 06:05 |
| imbrandon | :) | 06:05 |
| LaserJock | all I want to do is to be able to test installs | 06:06 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, i have a hook already made for that | 06:07 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: hmm | 06:08 |
| imbrandon | infact in test upgrades, , clean installs, removes and purges | 06:08 |
| crimsun | 89dpkg-i | 06:08 |
| LaserJock | oh, I know why I didn't want that | 06:08 |
| LaserJock | I want to be able to also test functionality | 06:08 |
| LaserJock | so for an app that uses X I'm not sure how to run it from within a pbuilder | 06:08 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 06:09 |
| crimsun | I use a separate chroot for that | 06:10 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: where are the hooks stored? | 06:10 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: yeah, that's what I was going to do, but I'd like to avoid it if I can | 06:10 |
| imbrandon | on horatio? /media/devel/edgy/hooks | 06:10 |
| LaserJock | I don't have a ton of space for chroots | 06:10 |
| minghua | LaserJock: you most likely do NOT want to bind mount /tmp if you want to test X apps in the chroot | 06:10 |
| minghua | or be CAREFUL, as crimsun said | 06:11 |
| LaserJock | maybe I should just find a machine to upgrade to feisty :/ | 06:12 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, leslie posted the video of marks speech on the google code blog | 06:13 |
| imbrandon | were you still there when he gave it ? | 06:13 |
| LaserJock | his speech on what? | 06:13 |
| LaserJock | probably not I'm guessing | 06:13 |
| imbrandon | when all the google people came from the other building and mark explaind about ubutnu direction | 06:13 |
| LaserJock | ah, no | 06:14 |
| imbrandon | it was about an hour speach i think on thursday | 06:14 |
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| imbrandon | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2728972720932273543&q=type%3Agoogle+engEDU is the direct link | 06:14 |
| imbrandon | and leslie's post http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2006/11/ubuntu-developer-summit-at-google.html | 06:15 |
| imbrandon | i might blog about it for planet , as i dont think most read the google code blog | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | darn it, stupid flash 9 | 06:17 |
| imbrandon | you can download the avi ( link on the right ) | 06:18 |
| imbrandon | if you dont have flash or its broke | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | I'm downloading it | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | Flash 9 often seems to play only the first like 30 s or so | 06:19 |
| imbrandon | hrm i just played about the first 10 minutes of it, but then i stoped it as i seen it live | 06:20 |
| imbrandon | soooo | 06:20 |
| imbrandon | lol | 06:20 |
| LaserJock | oh wow, I just logged into my first sparc machine | 06:20 |
| imbrandon | haha nice | 06:20 |
| imbrandon | ubuntu ? | 06:20 |
| imbrandon | or solaris | 06:21 |
| LaserJock | SunOS twilight 5.10 Generic_118833-22 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V240 | 06:21 |
| LaserJock | is that solaris? | 06:21 |
| imbrandon | yes | 06:21 |
| LaserJock | first time I've seen solaris too | 06:22 |
| minghua | LaserJock: I can't believe it. You've been in US university all these years and never used a Sun machine? | 06:22 |
| imbrandon | heh its unixy you should be at home, only minor diffrences, well major ones , but the basics are the same | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | minghua: no | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | minghua: we use mostly dells :-) | 06:22 |
| minghua | even the student PC labs here at RIce used to run Solaris when I came here | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | depending on the sysadmin most solaris boxes have gnu tools too sooo | 06:23 |
| rvalles | 06:23:35 < minghua> even the student PC labs here at RIce used to run Solaris when I came here | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | some groups have ancient SGI machines | 06:24 |
| rvalles | in fib (www.fib.upc.edu) we have some solaris servers and tons of sunray terminals | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | but even our computational clusters are AMD machines | 06:24 |
| imbrandon | well the new sun's are amd's too :) | 06:25 |
| rvalles | also, on the computers' architecture department underground level, there are lots of racks which use all sort of architectures | 06:25 |
| imbrandon | opterons | 06:25 |
| nixternal | W: /home/nixternal/.pbuilderrc does not exist <-- is this major? i have a pbuilderrc in pbuilder/feisty/ | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | well, like AMD 1800+ | 06:25 |
| rvalles | (which is kinda cool) | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: no problem | 06:25 |
| nixternal | cool | 06:25 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, no thats normal, you can "touch ~/.pbuilderrc" if it bugs you | 06:25 |
| nixternal | roger that | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | well, the sparc machine I'm on is the new uni mail server | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | so I can't have any fun on it ;-) | 06:26 |
| imbrandon | lol | 06:26 |
| imbrandon | they have a single box mail server setup? wowo | 06:26 |
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| LaserJock | imbrandon: not sure, it's a single hostname | 06:27 |
| imbrandon | ahh well that makes more sense :) | 06:27 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | I now have 3 uni mail accounts | 06:27 |
| imbrandon | probably a small cluster behind heartbeat or roudrobin dns setup or hell there are tons of ways to setup redundant mail services | 06:28 |
| imbrandon | but rarely on a single box unless your like me and only have 3 mail accounts on it and its a home server | 06:28 |
| ajmitch | ooh, my panel has had most of its applets go away | 06:28 |
| imbrandon | :) | 06:28 |
| ajmitch | no real surprise there | 06:28 |
| minghua | LaserJock: is the hostname twilight.xxx...? | 06:28 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, feisty ? | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | minghua: mhm | 06:28 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: yeah, upgraded this afternoon | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | haven't logged out yet | 06:29 |
| imbrandon | yea i just did, everything seems smooth here, suprised me | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | well, they haven't broken anything yet have they? | 06:29 |
| imbrandon | but theres another kde update sitting on the buildd's waiting for me | 06:29 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: of course not | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | the fun begins next week | 06:29 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, yea thats next week | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that's what I told the forums | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | they were like "Feisty is pretty solid, you should upgrade" | 06:30 |
| imbrandon | LOL | 06:30 |
| ajmitch | don't get me started on the forums... | 06:30 |
| ajmitch | I think the least stable time is around feature freeze | 06:30 |
| imbrandon | i cant wait for the furms BoF recording to go public and everyone hears how ryan talked to mark and jane in the BoF | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: that bad? | 06:31 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, well jane cursed and mark left the room temporarly | 06:31 |
| imbrandon | if that says much | 06:31 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: ouch | 06:31 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: I didn't hear any of that | 06:32 |
| Lathiat | whoah | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: well, that's actually not as bad as I thought | 06:32 |
| imbrandon | it all worked out in the end but it was an interesting ride | 06:32 |
| Lathiat | which ryan? | 06:32 |
| imbrandon | Lathiat, the fourm founder | 06:32 |
| Lathiat | righto | 06:32 |
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| crimsun | that just makes me love the forum even more. | 06:33 |
| crimsun | with a brick. | 06:33 |
| ajmitch | and he got what he wanted, too | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I was reading the spec | 06:33 |
| imbrandon | for about 10 minutes me and jono are sitting in the back of the room thinking about how long it would be before we started forums.ubuntu.com , but then it calmed down and real work got done | 06:33 |
| ajmitch | the spec is full of "this isn't an attack" | 06:33 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, yea , lol, thats the lovely part | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | with "Ryan must have full control" mixed in | 06:34 |
| ajmitch | there's a lot of compromise here | 06:34 |
| ajmitch | in 1 direction | 06:34 |
| imbrandon | basicly he dident want to give control to the CC but wanted it to be official etc etc etc, ego's were flying | 06:34 |
| ajmitch | ie, "make me important" | 06:35 |
| imbrandon | and the funny part was like 3 or 4 members from the CC were in the room ( mako mark elmo , ummmmm ) | 06:35 |
| ajmitch | I'm glad I was in another bof | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | well, he fired half the forum staff without any explanation to the community | 06:35 |
| imbrandon | anyhow it was by far the most "interesting" BoF i atteneded to say the leaste | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | apparently he just had an issue with them | 06:36 |
| ajmitch | why is it just about this 1 guy? | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | even the accelerated X and composite-by-default were more sane | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | because he is the forum sabdfl | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | it's his show | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, not anymore | 06:36 |
| ajmitch | he was just in the right place to get people together | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I'm not so sure, I'm still skeptical | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | canonical owns the domain and stuff now and its under the control of the CC , like i said it all worked out in the end , but it was a wild ride | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | I think in the end it'll fork | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | its just a matter of conversion etc now | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | I just don't seem him going along with it too much | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | *hopes* | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | well at this point all he can do is turn them off, and within minutes a backup will be restored and his ip banned and he will have to go infront of the CC to explain why | 06:38 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: that merge, would this be the correct version -> kvirc (2:3.2.4-6ubuntu1) feisty; urgency=low | 06:38 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: he gave up the domain? | 06:38 |
| nixternal | it is 2:3.2.4-6 from unstable | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, yea he pretty much had to as he has been accepting money for it | 06:39 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 06:39 |
| imbrandon | from canonical | 06:39 |
| crimsun | "As forums founder, Ryan Troy will be assigned lifetime membership dependent on his continued desire to serve on the council and continued compliance with the Ubuntu Code of Conduct and LeadershipCodeofConduct" | 06:39 |
| ajmitch | that's the best piece of news I've heard | 06:39 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: the condition there is good | 06:39 |
| ajmitch | if it's enough | 06:39 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, yea , it means if he followes the CoC he is still on the forums council that awnsers to the CC | 06:39 |
| zakame | back, what's the talk now? | 06:40 |
| imbrandon | eg terms but no term limmits | 06:40 |
| crimsun | it's not his baby; he needs to be subject to the same conditions as everyone else | 06:40 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: unlike every other council | 06:41 |
| ajmitch | zakame: forums governance | 06:41 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: the problem is that he's likely to take his toys & go home | 06:41 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: did he agree to give up the vbulletin license as well? | 06:41 |
| minghua | pity it's not easy to have something like "svn annotate" on wiki, so that I can see which part is written by whom | 06:41 |
| imbrandon | afik yes, not 100% sure | 06:41 |
| imbrandon | minghua, mark wrote that bit that crimsun posted, i was sitting there when it was written | 06:42 |
| zakame | ajmitch: right, reads the backlog | 06:42 |
| bddebian | Gnight gang | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | gnight bddebian | 06:42 |
| zakame | gn8 bddebian | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | cya bddebian | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | night bddebian | 06:43 |
| zakame | gn8 god of motu | 06:43 |
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| minghua | I am more interested in who wrote "The forums are one of the largest and smoothest running parts of the Ubuntu community", but no big deal | 06:43 |
| imbrandon | i just went to be a fly on the wall in those sessions | 06:43 |
| bddebian | and pokes zakame in the eye | 06:43 |
| minghua | hello bddebian | 06:43 |
| bddebian | :-) | 06:43 |
| zakame | XD | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | minghua: largest, yes | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | minghua: hehe, I would imagine that was ubuntu_demon or whatever his name is | 06:43 |
| Lathiat | minghua: i'd dare say its a "big part" of the user side of the community | 06:43 |
| zakame | who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? | 06:43 |
| Lathiat | minghua: not sure whether its smooth or not tho ;) | 06:43 |
| zakame | the sabdfl knows! | 06:43 |
| crimsun | thankfully even the sabdfl is subject to baby jesus | 06:44 |
| zakame | right | 06:44 |
| minghua | Lathiat: exactly, if measured by "number of people", then yes, if measured by "contribution and influence"... | 06:44 |
| minghua | especially _positive_ influence at that :-P | 06:45 |
| zakame | hmm revive usenet then | 06:45 |
| Lathiat | minghua: i still think it has a lot of "influence" | 06:45 |
| Lathiat | on the user side of the community | 06:45 |
| zakame | and let the chaos be contained there :P | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | it does have a ton of influence on the user side | 06:45 |
| elkbuntu | i specifically avoided the forum sessions... and after seeing the expressions after the first bof, i was glad : | 06:46 |
| LaserJock | well, I wonder how many Ubuntu members they're going to make in the first month | 06:47 |
| minghua | imbrandon: speaking of forum, do they still run ads there? | 06:47 |
| ajmitch | elkbuntu: a wise choice | 06:47 |
| imbrandon | minghua, i have no idea, i talked with jane breifly about it, i will email her next week again if they are still there | 06:47 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: 100+? :) | 06:47 |
| elkbuntu | ajmitch, i was forewarned from many a source :) | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | there was that interesting conversation about the TB/CC voting | 06:48 |
| ajmitch | minghua: I haven't seen any lately, maybe my mental filter works too well | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | I don't see any | 06:49 |
| imbrandon | are you logged in? | 06:49 |
| imbrandon | you only see them if you are a guest | 06:49 |
| imbrandon | ( e.g i never goto them so i'm always a guest ) | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | ohhh | 06:50 |
| Lathiat | im not logged in and i cant see them | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | still not seeing any | 06:51 |
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| === Lathiat smirks at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=251004 | ||
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| elkbuntu | Lathiat, if we be very quiet, they may implode each other | 06:52 |
| minghua | I am a guest and I don't see any ads now, but no-script plugin still shows scripts from google-analytics.com | 06:52 |
| Lathiat | google analystics isnt so bad, tho | 06:53 |
| imbrandon | they are still there, see screen shot http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss116.png | 06:53 |
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| imbrandon | lol | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: dude I was just on that thread and I don't think I saw them | 06:54 |
| imbrandon | you were probably logged in | 06:54 |
| Lathiat | ha ha http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=296178 | 06:54 |
| Lathiat | hrm im definitely not seeing any | 06:54 |
| Lathiat | and im not logged in | 06:54 |
| Lathiat | not sure if i even have an account | 06:54 |
| Lathiat | hrm ok | 06:55 |
| Lathiat | theeres linsk on that page | 06:55 |
| Lathiat | is taht in that guys signature or something? ;p | 06:55 |
| imbrandon | heh well i dident doctor the screenshot in that little ammount of time :) | 06:55 |
| imbrandon | no thats on every thread, 2 times per page | 06:55 |
| Lathiat | if i goto that threat they are there | 06:55 |
| Lathiat | "The way I see it if you can get put X into the initrd and boot it directly with the kernel then X on its own doesnt need anything running but the kernel." | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | ahhh, now I see it | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | sneaky buggers | 06:56 |
| elkbuntu | im yet to see one, and im logged out... | 06:56 |
| Lathiat | i saw them on that page, but not others... | 06:57 |
| imbrandon | hrm i wonder if they are in that guys sig, if so he should be banned perminately from the forums | 06:58 |
| minghua | I see one now, too | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: geeze dude, on enough channels ;-) | 06:58 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: that's nothing :) | 06:58 |
| imbrandon | hahah LaserJock i just restarted irc a few hours ago, i'm normaly in more | 06:58 |
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| elkbuntu | haha. idlerpg, them was the days : | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I don't do more then ~10 | 06:59 |
| imbrandon | i'm normaly after about a week of running irc in about 75 | 06:59 |
| imbrandon | on 3 or 4 networks | 06:59 |
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| Lathiat | ozorg, gimpnet, efnet, scifi-fans, austnet, freenode, irc.perl.org, enterthegame, and 3 private ones | 07:00 |
| LaserJock | wow | 07:00 |
| LaserJock | I *just* started getting on oftc | 07:00 |
| LaserJock | I've only been on freenode | 07:01 |
| imbrandon | well 2 or 3 of the chans i'm in are invite only , most all are public | 07:01 |
| minghua | these ads are pretty sneaky | 07:01 |
| Lathiat | having closed all my windows im on 31 channels atm | 07:01 |
| imbrandon | minghua, yea they dont always showup | 07:01 |
| Lathiat | s/windows/private message windows | 07:01 |
| minghua | it seems the probability is pretty low | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | ok people, I'm off to bed | 07:01 |
| imbrandon | gnight | 07:01 |
| imbrandon | still not right considering everything is paid for by canonical ( even some of his time iirc ) | 07:02 |
| Lathiat | if thats the case then i agree they should be removed | 07:03 |
| Lathiat | if he was running it off his own steam i wouldnt mind so much | 07:03 |
| Lathiat | i dont think i've ever clicked a google ad witha ny serious intent in my life | 07:03 |
| Lathiat | or any other ad | 07:03 |
| Lathiat | i clicked a couple to see what they were | 07:03 |
| Lathiat | like one that said "openoffice too slow, abiword missing all the features?" | 07:03 |
| imbrandon | definately the domain and hosting ( even backdated pre-official ) is paid for by canonical, but i'm about 80% sure his time is to to a lesser extent | 07:04 |
| imbrandon | that came up in the BoF | 07:04 |
| zakame | hmm a cat (to replace) is fine too | 07:04 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: and he still demands everything? | 07:05 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, yup | 07:05 |
| ajmitch | wow | 07:05 |
| zakame | now that rather spoils the broth | 07:06 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, it was said in the BoF ( the only reason i know this 100% is because it came from janes lips ) that they have ben comensating the hosting and domain for 2 years | 07:06 |
| elkbuntu | there are people like that in the world, unfortunately | 07:06 |
| imbrandon | compen.... | 07:06 |
| imbrandon | blah | 07:06 |
| zakame | gomen | 07:06 |
| Lathiat | i still think this GL usplash sounds like a good idea ;) | 07:07 |
| imbrandon | like i said, i cant eait for some of these recordings to be "cleaned" up as NG said and released | 07:07 |
| imbrandon | wait* | 07:07 |
| imbrandon | mostly just for the forum info | 07:08 |
| imbrandon | :) | 07:08 |
| zakame | hehehe, can't eat | 07:08 |
| minghua | nah. after reading the whole wiki page I am still not convinced the forum thing will work out eventually | 07:08 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3434 | 07:09 |
| elkbuntu | minghua, blood will be drawn before it is over. i am sure of it. | 07:09 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, kk | 07:09 |
| nixternal | can't test build as the kdelibs4 hasn't been merged by jr yet | 07:09 |
| minghua | elkbuntu: noted. I think I'll avoid ubuntu gatherings until it's over then :-P | 07:10 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, you mean 3435 ? | 07:10 |
| elkbuntu | minghua, no need to avoid ubuntu gatherings, just watch the forum fun from afar, preferably with popcorn | 07:10 |
| zakame | hmm speaking of gatherings ubuntu-ph will have its release party tonight ;) | 07:10 |
| imbrandon | minghua, well that was a very small part of the UDS, the rest was very productive :) | 07:11 |
| minghua | yeah, I was just kidding. I really wanted to go to Mt. View, as it doesn't come to US often | 07:12 |
| nixternal | ya imbrandon, sorry about that | 07:18 |
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| Hobbsee | hey all | 07:35 |
| imbrandon | ello | 07:35 |
| elkbuntu | hi Hobbsee! | 07:35 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, you fixed universe yet? :) | 07:36 |
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| Hobbsee | elkbuntu!!!! | 07:36 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: nope, i've been doing an exam | 07:36 |
| imbrandon | :/ | 07:36 |
| zakame | yo Hobbsee | 07:36 |
| Hobbsee | hey zakame | 07:37 |
| zakame | eerm KFC beat us all | 07:37 |
| zakame | Hobbsee: how's your exam? | 07:38 |
| imbrandon | mmmm KFC sounds good | 07:38 |
| imbrandon | to bad its closed right now | 07:38 |
| Hobbsee | zakame: wasnt too bad. boring, and some stuff that i'd never seen before, which i had no chance of rubbishing :P | 07:38 |
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| zakame | imbrandon: KFC's just right down our offic... and now, in space | 07:39 |
| imbrandon | ? | 07:39 |
| zakame | wellm, the company logo at least | 07:40 |
| zakame | see /. | 07:40 |
| imbrandon | ahh yea i seen that on the news | 07:41 |
| imbrandon | makes me want some chicken :) | 07:41 |
| zakame | hehe | 07:41 |
| zakame | much of my last week were chicken dinners | 07:41 |
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| macogw | hey | 08:11 |
| zakame | yo macogw | 08:12 |
| macogw | if i wanna help, do i talk to you guys? | 08:12 |
| macogw | my programming's not on par to do any real development (yet...must learn a more useful language than java) | 08:13 |
| zakame | sure, you want to help? :) | 08:14 |
| macogw | yeah | 08:14 |
| macogw | idk how to help though | 08:18 |
| zakame | yo've seen the links on /topic? | 08:18 |
| macogw | i looked at them during edgy-devel-time, but not in a while | 08:19 |
| Mez | macogw, it's a good place to start | 08:20 |
| zakame | you can lookinto them now if you want to do some packaging work :) | 08:20 |
| macogw | ok | 08:20 |
| zakame | you can also help greatly by hooking up with the bugsquad and help in triaging bugs | 08:20 |
| macogw | have you seen getdeb.net (i think?) | 08:21 |
| macogw | there are .deb's for things not in the repositories | 08:21 |
| macogw | avoiding building from source == always good | 08:21 |
| imbrandon | macogw: not really, i would rather see someone build from source than use a deb from a shady unknown person/place | 08:22 |
| zakame | building from source is essential if you want to get that particular package in the archive | 08:22 |
| Hobbsee | and then stick the decent source in the repos | 08:22 |
| zakame | as a matter of fact, the only way you can upload to the ubuntu archive is by source | 08:23 |
| imbrandon | hrm , see yall after bit, i'm out for a while | 08:25 |
| imbrandon | would be nice if they ( getdeb.net ) followed the GPL and provided the source packages also | 08:26 |
| imbrandon | someone might wanna clue them in | 08:26 |
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| macogw | well that attempt at using compiz failed | 08:32 |
| macogw | miserably | 08:33 |
| Mez | macogw,Hmm... I should talk to the getdeb.net people... they're just wasting time... have they not heard about backports? | 08:34 |
| macogw | one of my friends who works on ubuntu-guide showed me that site when i was like "bah i dont want to install ____ from source. pain in the ass" (i think it was inkscape..) | 08:40 |
| macogw | by the way, there's no inkscape package in the edgy repos | 08:40 |
| macogw | er... | 08:40 |
| macogw | i'm confused | 08:40 |
| macogw | when i tried to apt-get it the other night it wouldnt work and i had to hunt it and dependencies down, but now it shows in synaptic. either it's only showing because it's installed or i'm insane. | 08:40 |
| macogw | it said it was a missing package that others referenced but wasnt there (or something to that effect) | 08:41 |
| zakame | have you tried `apt-get -f install`? | 08:41 |
| imbrandon | not only is inkscape in the repo's its in main | 08:43 |
| imbrandon | brandon@horatio:~/devel/amarok$ apt-cache madison inkscape | 08:43 |
| imbrandon | inkscape | 0.44-1ubuntu2 | http://192.168.1.5 feisty/main Packages | 08:43 |
| imbrandon | inkscape | 0.44-1ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages | 08:43 |
| imbrandon | macogw, ^^ | 08:43 |
| macogw | i have it installed now cuz i downloaded the package elsewhere | 08:44 |
| macogw | i dont know why synaptic and apt-get both said it doesnt exist though | 08:44 |
| macogw | sometimes my computer makes NO SENSE | 08:45 |
| macogw | like when it pretends my sound card and wireless card don't exist | 08:45 |
| zakame | computer haet macogw :( | 08:46 |
| macogw | if it's not nice i'm gonna go all "bah! no more comp sci major!" again...and this time i'll swear off software and keep chugging on hardware (last time i accidentally wiped a hdd, i swore off hardware....it lasted about 3 or 4 years) | 08:47 |
| imbrandon | onces not much use without the other | 08:48 |
| macogw | i mean tinkering | 08:48 |
| macogw | like i wouldnt tinker with hardware for a few years after i messed up | 08:48 |
| imbrandon | ahh well if you are tinkering with software then breakage shouldnt frustrate you , its a normal thing while tinkering :) | 08:49 |
| macogw | and if my computer drives me insane, it'll be software tinkering that gets ditched | 08:49 |
| macogw | if i'm tinkering and it breaks, ok fine, my fault | 08:49 |
| macogw | when things randomly quit working....NOT COOL | 08:49 |
| macogw | and why why why does autohide on panels in edgy not work? | 08:50 |
| imbrandon | well people rarely realize how every piece of software can potentialy affect unrelated software, thus it looks random but rarely is | 08:50 |
| macogw | yeah i suppose | 08:50 |
| macogw | i think nautilus is still a bit borked from the edgy upgrade. like i said, panels don't autohide, and soundjuicer crashes when i open it....at least i can browse through folders (graphically) now though (after a few hours of tinkering post-upgrade) | 08:51 |
| imbrandon | :) | 08:52 |
| macogw | and there have been like 5000 "this bug has been marked as a duplicate of that one" for all those crashy things...still waiting for the fix | 08:53 |
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| macogw | i'm confused | 09:01 |
| Hobbsee | netsplit | 09:02 |
| Hobbsee | different server to usual, too | 09:02 |
| StevenK | But Freenode doesn't say which two split... | 09:04 |
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| Hobbsee | * has left this server (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). | 09:04 |
| macogw | alright ive been up for 43 hours, so i'm going to sleep | 09:04 |
| macogw | good night | 09:04 |
| Hobbsee | yes, just one of them | 09:04 |
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| imbrandon | Hobbsee, * has left this server (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). that just tells you the server your connected to | 09:19 |
| imbrandon | e.g. i'm on sterling | 09:20 |
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| Hobbsee | good point | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | :) | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | gnight all | 09:27 |
| zakame | gnught imbrandon | 09:28 |
| ivoks | urgh... | 09:29 |
| ivoks | how to make life miserable | 09:29 |
| ivoks | try working with asterisk source :) | 09:29 |
| ivoks | (in debian) | 09:30 |
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| crimsun | hmph, need to merge alsa-lib 1.0.13-1ubuntu1 to push the pulseaudio stuff out of depwait | 10:12 |
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| crimsun | guess that means I need to add a pulse directive to asoundconf(1), too, after alsa-plugins 1.0.13-3 builds successfully | 10:13 |
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| zakame | or another warp drive | 10:18 |
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| crimsun | kinda unwieldy, though :-) | 10:19 |
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| zakame | hmm what's the deal with mailping, how do I resolve its versioning? | 10:38 |
| zakame | I see the last merge had 0.0.4ubuntu2, while debian has 0.0.4-0.1 already | 10:39 |
| ivoks | that's wrong | 10:39 |
| crimsun | punch the last person in the gut | 10:39 |
| ivoks | right :) | 10:39 |
| ivoks | crimsun: hobbse? :) | 10:40 |
| crimsun | you need to hand-merge 0.0.4-0.1's changes into 0.0.4ubuntu3 | 10:40 |
| crimsun | Changed-By: Pierre Habouzit <madcoder@debian.org> | 10:40 |
| === Fujitsu has two of those stupidly versioned ones. | ||
| Fujitsu | Or was it three... | 10:40 |
| ivoks | mailping (0.0.4ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low | 10:40 |
| ivoks | -- Sarah Hobbs <hobbsee@ubuntu.com> Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:31:53 +1000 | 10:40 |
| Fujitsu | Unfortunately, that's what NMUing of native packages does :( | 10:41 |
| crimsun | ivoks: native, so sarah's correct | 10:41 |
| StevenK | NMU'ing native packages is a little ... odd. | 10:41 |
| ivoks | oooooh | 10:41 |
| ivoks | no | 10:41 |
| ivoks | sorry sarah | 10:41 |
| Fujitsu | StevenK: s/odd/really really wrong and bad/, you mean? | 10:41 |
| zakame | right, an NMU of a native package | 10:41 |
| zakame | not time dates | 10:42 |
| zakame | *note the dates | 10:42 |
| StevenK | I don't think Policy says anything about it, so you can't beat people. | 10:42 |
| Fujitsu | StevenK: It does, I saw it a couple of days back... | 10:43 |
| Fujitsu | ANd it says to add -0.1 :( | 10:43 |
| StevenK | And it neatly screws us up, which is a bonus for some DDs. | 10:43 |
| Fujitsu | `If there is no debian-revision component in the version number then one should be created, starting at `0.1'.' | 10:44 |
| StevenK | Which section is this? | 10:44 |
| Fujitsu | (in the Debian Developer's Reference(tm), not the policy itself) | 10:44 |
| === zakame takes time off mailping and merges mindi | ||
| StevenK | Oh. You can't belt people with the devref. | 10:44 |
| Fujitsu | Oh, good. | 10:44 |
| StevenK | They are "best practises", not Policy. | 10:45 |
| Fujitsu | Aha. | 10:45 |
| Fujitsu | And yes, they do very neatly completely screw us up... And some DDs will love that | 10:45 |
| zakame | mindi's better, if not for the b-d change its a mighty fine sync | 10:45 |
| Fujitsu | *! | 10:45 |
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| TheMuso | Actually... | 11:00 |
| TheMuso | Thats a sync | 11:00 |
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| TheMuso | Sync policy is still the same? Just want to be sure. | 11:02 |
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| TheMuso | Wow. Are there enough tags? | 11:03 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: same as for Edgy after Scott's mail to -announce | 11:04 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: Thought so. | 11:04 |
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| TheMuso | hmmm. Is it wise to not depend on a transitional package? | 11:06 |
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| TheMuso | Hobbsee!!! | 11:07 |
| TheMuso | Howd the exams go? | 11:07 |
| crimsun | I generally don't generate a delta unless absolutely necessary | 11:07 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: By delta I am guessing you mean some kind of change... | 11:08 |
| crimsun | right, an adjustment to debian/control given your question | 11:08 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 11:08 |
| Hobbsee | hey TheMuso! wasnt too bad | 11:09 |
| TheMuso | Good to hear. | 11:09 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: Right. Because thats what the difference is between a sync and a merge for alsaplayer. The merge changes a dependancy to depend on an actual library, whereas the debian package uses a transitional package. | 11:09 |
| TheMuso | So thats why I ask. | 11:10 |
| crimsun | if it builds currently with the sync, I'd sync | 11:11 |
| TheMuso | Pretty sure that it does, but just checking again for good measure. | 11:11 |
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| xopher | Any MOTUs from Finland available? Id need to get a gpg-key signed. | 12:47 |
| bhale | there are some DD's there | 12:48 |
| xopher | DD? | 12:49 |
| xopher | debian devs? | 12:49 |
| bhale | yes | 12:49 |
| xopher | ok. What | 12:49 |
| xopher | eh, would be the easiest way to get in contact with them | 12:50 |
| bhale | beats me | 12:50 |
| bhale | Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho | 12:51 |
| bhale | this guy is there i believe | 12:51 |
| bhale | and a few at nokia like Daniel Stone in Hellsinki | 12:51 |
| xopher | ok, thanks a lot | 12:52 |
| giskard | hello bhale | 12:53 |
| xopher | You'd think it'd be easy to find someone. This Kaijanaho apparently lives ~500km away.. | 12:55 |
| fernando | moin all | 01:09 |
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| xerxas | there's no lbxproxy in edgy ? | 01:24 |
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| zul | hey | 01:49 |
| sivang | hi zul | 01:53 |
| sivang | zul: how was mtv? | 01:53 |
| zul | sivang: pretty cool actually lots of people there | 01:54 |
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| sivang | zul: you haven't stayed for the second week ? | 02:06 |
| zul | sivang: nope i dont work for canonical | 02:06 |
| sivang | ah, it's only for employees? | 02:07 |
| zul | yep | 02:07 |
| Q-FUNK | sivang: Fred got your mail. he also got flooded with hebrew messages that appear to have legitimate questions about the linutop, except that he doesn't read hebrew... | 02:08 |
| sivang | Q-FUNK: interesting, I can help you guys on the trnaslation front, have him forward all the mails to me and I can send you the questions in englishm you answer back, and I will asnwer them in hebrew ;) | 02:15 |
| sivang | Q-FUNK: I told you .IL could be a great market for this :p | 02:15 |
| Q-FUNK | ;) | 02:15 |
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| sivang | Q-FUNK: seriously, how big is the volume of the messages? | 02:16 |
| Q-FUNK | I think that someone blogged us in .il a few days ago. for some reason, someone must have gotten the impression that we understand hebrew, as a result. | 02:17 |
| sivang | Q-FUNK: do you know who was that guy who blogged you? | 02:19 |
| giskard | hello Simon80 | 02:20 |
| giskard | sivang, * | 02:20 |
| sivang | Q-FUNK: but do forward the emails to me, I am happy to help without any attachments :-) | 02:20 |
| sivang | hi giskard ! | 02:20 |
| sivang | giskard: how you bee doing with your telepathy uploads? | 02:20 |
| bhale | hi giskard | 02:22 |
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| bhale | directory? | 02:22 |
| bhale | i don't know of any directory :) | 02:22 |
| sivang | hehe | 02:22 |
| sivang | ubuntu-directory rings any bells? | 02:22 |
| bhale | not for me. | 02:23 |
| sivang | then I guess it's only Burgundavia and some others like whiprush or so that met over uds | 02:23 |
| bhale | yes. | 02:24 |
| bhale | I don't really associate with those guys | 02:24 |
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| sivang | https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-directory | 02:24 |
| sivang | bhale: ^^ | 02:24 |
| giskard | sivang, bah yesterday i've uploaded the wrong version of t-sharp. | 02:24 |
| sivang | giskard: did you upload a corrected version already ? | 02:24 |
| bhale | sivang: uh | 02:24 |
| sivang | bhale: ;-) | 02:24 |
| bhale | sivang: brandon holtsclaw != me | 02:24 |
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| giskard | i have to re-upload this evening...i'm not at home | 02:25 |
| giskard | sivang, no :( | 02:25 |
| sivang | giskard: it's in universe right? | 02:25 |
| giskard | no :( | 02:25 |
| giskard | NEW | 02:25 |
| sivang | giskard: ah, are you already approved for main? | 02:26 |
| giskard | anyway who care about # packages? :P | 02:26 |
| giskard | sivang, no, universe main. | 02:26 |
| giskard | :) | 02:26 |
| sivang | giskard: I'm happy to upload if it's in universe, I can't upload to main though. | 02:26 |
| sivang | (yet) | 02:26 |
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| bhale | giskard: what is t-sharp? | 02:27 |
| giskard | telepathy-sharp | 02:28 |
| bhale | oh | 02:28 |
| bhale | and where are dholbach/seb128 | 02:28 |
| giskard | sivang, i can do uploads in universe. | 02:28 |
| bhale | i have been wondering about xulrunner | 02:28 |
| bhale | in feisty | 02:28 |
| giskard | bhale, canonical conf? | 02:28 |
| bhale | are we using ff or what? | 02:28 |
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| sivang | bhale: what do you wonder about xulrunner ? | 02:36 |
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| bhale | sivang: if we will use xulrunner or firefox | 02:39 |
| bhale | it affects mono merges | 02:39 |
| sivang | bhale: ah I see | 02:39 |
| bhale | debian uses xulrunner since before edgy | 02:39 |
| sivang | bhale: so xulrunner is a rendering engine? | 02:39 |
| bhale | yes | 02:41 |
| bhale | its gecko | 02:41 |
| bhale | split out | 02:41 |
| bhale | with the xul stuff | 02:42 |
| bhale | no UI | 02:42 |
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| sivang | bhale: how does it affect mono mergers? | 02:45 |
| zul | heh give $5 for a feature that ill never ever use | 03:06 |
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| sivang | zul: installing ubuntu from windows? :) | 03:13 |
| zul | yeah check the -devel mailing list | 03:14 |
| sivang | zul: I saw that already, the 5$ asking mail | 03:18 |
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| sivang | bah, going from the writing the tests and then implementing the feature is tough but does pay eventually. | 03:28 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:40 |
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| bhale | sivang: because we use gecko several places? | 03:52 |
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| xopher | Ah, getting my gpg-key signed tomorrow. Now, where should I go from there, is it just to upload the packages after that? | 04:59 |
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| Adri2000 | xopher: you are already a motu? | 05:10 |
| xopher | no.. | 05:10 |
| Adri2000 | you need to in order to upload :) | 05:10 |
| zul | or you can upload to revu | 05:12 |
| xopher | So, how do I become a MOTU? ;) | 05:15 |
| xopher | *reading wiki* | 05:16 |
| Adri2000 | ubuntu member first | 05:17 |
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| nixternal | imbrandon: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3439 | 06:32 |
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| pianoboy3333 | Can anyone here help me with using git? What does `git pull` and `git fetch` do? | 06:45 |
| zul | if you have a git archive already it pulls the new changes | 06:47 |
| pianoboy3333 | zul: what does fetch do? | 06:51 |
| zul | git --help fetch should tell you | 06:52 |
| sivang | bhale: say, on a related note to beagle , is it possible to query the indexer for a specific folder and it's subfolders recursively, to calculate the total size of them and to count how many files under this particular path? | 06:52 |
| Mez | hey guys, whats the policy over changing the Maintainer Field nowadays | 06:52 |
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| Burgwork | Mez: there is a tool that munges it | 06:53 |
| geser | afaik it is done by the buildds | 06:53 |
| Burgwork | called binarymanagler | 06:53 |
| sivang | Burgwork: again you surprise me with development oriented knowledge ;) is this another candidate for the "Did you know?" corenr on the UWN ? ;-) | 06:54 |
| Burgwork | yes | 06:54 |
| Mez | Burgwork, however, I'm on about changes to source not changes to binary | 06:54 |
| Burgwork | don't bother changing the source, the mangler will do it | 06:54 |
| Mez | Burgwork, how will the mangler know what to do with it ? | 06:55 |
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| pygi | Burgwork, I changed it, just because the debian maintainer builded such a junk of package | 06:55 |
| Mez | Burgwork, this isnt changing it to MOTU ... this is something else | 06:55 |
| Burgwork | afaik, this is the changing to MOTU | 06:56 |
| Burgwork | look at the spec or talk to infinity | 06:56 |
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| nixternal | heh, i remember that cartoon | 06:58 |
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| zul | hey dholbach | 07:34 |
| dholbach | hey zul | 07:34 |
| ajmitch | hi zul, dholbach | 07:36 |
| zul | hey ajmitch | 07:36 |
| imbrandon | heya all | 07:36 |
| ajmitch | morning imbrandon | 07:38 |
| ajmitch | you're up early :) | 07:38 |
| imbrandon | yea a bit, i had that phone interview today with GSI | 07:39 |
| imbrandon | figured i would stay up | 07:39 |
| imbrandon | lol | 07:39 |
| sivang | GSI? | 07:39 |
| ajmitch | how'd it go? | 07:39 |
| sivang | hi ajmitch | 07:39 |
| ajmitch | hello | 07:39 |
| sivang | and re imbrandon | 07:39 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, good, they are sending me a "test" to take today and then i have an inperson interview | 07:39 |
| ajmitch | great | 07:40 |
| imbrandon | sivang, a webhost here in KC | 07:40 |
| imbrandon | for a sysadmin pos | 07:40 |
| zul | oooh...:) | 07:40 |
| ajmitch | I guess it'd cut into your ubuntu time though | 07:40 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, nah, i wouldent think so, well maybe a bit, but they are an opensource shop so i'm hoping they will sponsor a bit of work too | 07:41 |
| ajmitch | man, some people get all the luck :) | 07:41 |
| sivang | ajmitch++ ;) | 07:41 |
| imbrandon | from what the mgr said almost all their stuff is debian ( not ubuntu ) | 07:41 |
| imbrandon | but i'll have to see when i get in | 07:41 |
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| jdong | quick poll... Is it worth reissuing a backport because of a missing icon in the menu (but menu entry is present)? | 08:05 |
| jdong | (bug 71546 for reference) | 08:05 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 71546 in edgy-backports "(feisty)No icon for brasero" [Low,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/71546 | 08:05 |
| pygi | jdong, uh, it's not only because of that if you're looking at brasero 0.5.0 | 08:06 |
| pygi | jdong, the initial upload of 0.5.0 was broken | 08:06 |
| pygi | jdong, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2006-November/000390.html | 08:06 |
| pygi | this fixed it | 08:06 |
| jdong | pygi: how broken was it? I burned quite a few projects with it before allowing it thru backports | 08:06 |
| pygi | jdong, it was extremely broken. | 08:07 |
| jdong | pygi: can you elaborate? | 08:07 |
| pygi | jdong, well, look at the entire changelog :) | 08:07 |
| jdong | pygi: I see a manpage entry, a menu icon fix, and a bunch of dependency tweaking | 08:08 |
| pygi | jdong, gtk 2.4 instead of gtk 2.6, gnome-vfs 2.14.1 while 2.14.2 is needed (2.14.1 has some serious bugs which affect brasero), libgdl was dropped once 0.4.x series was started, no versioning of gst | 08:08 |
| jdong | pygi: {edgy,feisty} has gvfs 2.14.2+ anyway, right? | 08:08 |
| pygi | jdong, we see same, but important changes, the right deps are here for a reason | 08:08 |
| jdong | pygi: ./configure would bork without the newer gvfs | 08:09 |
| pygi | jdong, indeed, but in initial upload build-dep was set on gvfs 2.14.1 | 08:09 |
| jdong | pygi: right, but the resultant binaries built in edgy and feisty wouldn't have been different.... | 08:09 |
| jdong | pygi: since gvfs 2.14.1 or less wasn't in edgy/feisty | 08:09 |
| jdong | right? | 08:09 |
| pygi | jdong, that's true, but baltix folks/dapper folks are requesting a backport to dapper | 08:10 |
| jdong | pygi: right, and so far I've held off on bringing it to Dapper until some loose ends get sorted out | 08:10 |
| jdong | pygi: namely, the dependencies we just mentioned, and dapper-backports building against dapper-updates | 08:10 |
| pygi | jdong, whatever trouble is burning related, feel free to bug me | 08:11 |
| === jdong starts poking infinity about that again :D | ||
| pygi | jdong, right, backports didn't build against dapper-updates before | 08:11 |
| jdong | pygi: so you're the burning guy. I'll remember that :) | 08:11 |
| jdong | pygi: idn if it does yet... I'm still poking about that | 08:11 |
| pygi | jdong, once we get cdrkit synced we'll get tons of bug reports and we'll need a lot of patching | 08:11 |
| pygi | *if cdrkit gets synced* but it probably will | 08:12 |
| pygi | jdong, we need to sort out all burning related bits for feisty | 08:12 |
| pygi | there are a lot of problems with that sadly | 08:12 |
| jdong | pygi: yeah, hence I'm trying to get the last little bit of burning backported before the burning world gets turned upside down :D | 08:12 |
| === chantraWK is now known as chantra | ||
| pygi | and jdong : #ubuntu-burning and http://pygi.pykix.net/?p=21 | 08:13 |
| jdong | pygi: thanks | 08:13 |
| pygi | jdong, nah, thank you :) | 08:13 |
| pygi | jdong, what's the gst0.10 in dapper? we need at least 0.10.6 for brasero | 08:13 |
| jdong | err, good question | 08:14 |
| === pygi also notes to jdong he's more then welcome to join the channel mentioned above and to read the blog post on above url, will explain a lot of stuff | ||
| jdong | libgstreamer0.10-0 | 0.10.6-0ubuntu2 | dapper | i386 | 08:15 |
| jdong | whew :D | 08:15 |
| pygi | jdong, yay, good for us :) | 08:15 |
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| jdong | pygi: do you think it's worth reissuing brasero 0ubuntu2 for edgy? | 08:15 |
| pygi | jdong, yes, if you are wililng to do so I'd much appreciate it | 08:15 |
| pygi | jdong, would help us fight with bugs which may arrise more safely | 08:16 |
| jdong | pygi: ok then, will do so | 08:16 |
| pygi | jdong, thanks | 08:16 |
| pygi | jdong, it's not about that icon thingy or man page, rather about package consistency | 08:16 |
| jdong | pygi: ok then | 08:16 |
| jdong | pygi: and I see Mez has simultaneously marked it for backporting too :D | 08:17 |
| Mez | jdong: lol | 08:17 |
| pygi | jdong, I'll be packaging 0.5.1 this or early next week with libburn enabled ... that can be backported to Edgy, and sadly not to dapper | 08:17 |
| jdong | perky backporters today I guess :D | 08:17 |
| pygi | jdong, unless we can backport libburn & libisofs as well. which shouldnt be a problem, but I dont think we should backport that stuff to dapper :P | 08:17 |
| jdong | Mez: I gotta head out soon care to deal with the duplicate you/I generated (look up) | 08:17 |
| jdong | take care, be back later | 08:18 |
| pygi | jdong, laters | 08:18 |
| jdong | and barnacle works / is registered on LP :D | 08:18 |
| jdong | just tested today | 08:18 |
| Mez | jdong: no problem :D | 08:18 |
| Mez | jdong: I'm part of the burning team and backporters, hence why I did it | 08:19 |
| jdong | Mez: hehe, I was just randomly browsing through feisty-changes when I noticed that one | 08:19 |
| jdong | hence me coming here and bugging you guys :D | 08:19 |
| pygi | jdong, ^_^ | 08:19 |
| === pygi is grateful for anyone's help ^_^ | ||
| mr_pouit | a little question: idjc package fails to build on edgy, a debdiff has been proposed for edgy, and a new upstream release has been accepted on feisty. What is the best solution ? try to get it trough edgy-proposed and then edgy-updates, or ask for a backport ? | 08:24 |
| mr_pouit | *through | 08:24 |
| mr_pouit | Bug 66475 | 08:25 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66475 in idjc "[DEBDIFF] Dependency problem" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66475 | 08:25 |
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| Adri2000 | mr_pouit: I think edgy-updates is better because the package doesn't work at all currently | 08:29 |
| Adri2000 | mr_pouit: subscribe sru, ask someone of the sru team on this channel :) | 08:30 |
| Adri2000 | the good point is that the update won't cause any regression :p | 08:31 |
| mr_pouit | Adri2000: ;p | 08:32 |
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| mr_pouit | Adri2000: but the package isn't "really" in edgy now, so I'm not sure it is suitable for edgy-updates :/ | 08:32 |
| imbrandon | if its not in edgy it cant be in updates | 08:34 |
| Adri2000 | the source is in edgy, but the binaries aren't because of the FTBFS | 08:34 |
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| imbrandon | ahh well then it is in edgy | 08:35 |
| bhale | sivang: no? | 08:35 |
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| imbrandon | moins bhale | 08:35 |
| bhale | hi imbrandon | 08:35 |
| sivang | bhale: I would think since it indexes all the files, it would have such trivial info per each file | 08:36 |
| bhale | that isnt exactly in its scope to recursively calculate directory sizes | 08:36 |
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| bhale | du does it just fine | 08:37 |
| bhale | "size" isnt a useful piece of metadata to search on | 08:37 |
| sivang | bhale: depends what you want your system to be able to do | 08:41 |
| sivang | bhale: forget about the size, can I get the list of files/folders underneath a specific target path from the index instead of traversing through the directory tree? | 08:43 |
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| bhale | sivang: no dude. | 09:07 |
| bhale | sivang: you are missing what beagle is about | 09:07 |
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| Mez | hmm maybe i shouldnt ahve set evo to sync fgrom gaim ... | 09:15 |
| Mez | lol | 09:15 |
| sivang | Mez: what does it sync from gaim? | 09:22 |
| Adri2000 | I have already asked that here, but I need more opinions, which section for homebank (http://homebank.free.fr/) ? | 09:23 |
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| Mez | sivang: theres an option to if you install evolution-plugins | 09:25 |
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| geser | Adri2000: as it only uses gtk, I wouldn't put into the gnome section | 09:30 |
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| Adri2000 | geser: ok | 09:31 |
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| Adri2000 | reviewers: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3441 :) | 09:48 |
| Adri2000 | argh, forgot something again | 09:49 |
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| Adri2000 | sorry for flooding revu :p | 09:49 |
| === minghua frowns at upstream tarballs with autom4te.cache/ in it | ||
| LaserJock | woot, I have a feisty machine | 09:58 |
| === nixternal does too | ||
| zul | as do i | 09:58 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: blog about it and see how comments you get about "is it stable yet?" | 09:58 |
| pygi | LaserJock, I have a solaris machine =) | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: haha | 09:58 |
| nixternal | people have asked me how different it is than edgy | 09:59 |
| minghua | Adri2000: is that a 3.2 official release or 3.2 alpha2 release? | 09:59 |
| zul | nixternal: then someone will say how about now? | 09:59 |
| nixternal | i point to them the toolchain and lsb_release | 09:59 |
| LaserJock | "Is it stable now?" .... "Is it stable now?" | 09:59 |
| nixternal | haha | 09:59 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: careful | 09:59 |
| zul | how about......now | 09:59 |
| nixternal | like last night, people asking me where the isos were for feisty | 09:59 |
| === ajmitch is on the edge here | ||
| Adri2000 | minghua: news on the home page: "Homebank 3.2 final released" | 10:00 |
| zul | ajmitch: stop doing php then | 10:00 |
| TheMuso | WHy aren't you guys happy with chroots at this point? | 10:00 |
| TheMuso | :0 | 10:00 |
| nixternal | ya, this box is edgy...can't have my main box on feisty until at least a herd or two passes | 10:00 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: you don't get the full experience | 10:00 |
| === ajmitch has upgraded both his boxes to feisty | ||
| minghua | Adri2000: I am looking at the NEWS file | 10:01 |
| TheMuso | Enjoy the breakfulness then. | 10:01 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: there is no breakage | 10:02 |
| TheMuso | Not yet at least. | 10:02 |
| ajmitch | that's why we're developers | 10:02 |
| ajmitch | to fix breakage | 10:02 |
| minghua | Adri2000: I suggest you either ask upstream release 3.2.1/3.3 (so that he can get rid of the autom4te.cache/ in tarball as well) or don't ship the NEWS file | 10:02 |
| Adri2000 | minghua: euhh, it's two different problems? | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | TheMuso: I don't have a lot of hard drive space so I just took a machine that I don't use for work and upgraded it | 10:03 |
| minghua | Adri2000: yes, two different problems: | 10:03 |
| TheMuso | Right | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | chroot's take up a lot of space | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | at least mine do | 10:03 |
| minghua | Adri2000: (1) NEWS file not up-to-date | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | if I could actually test apps in a pbuilder I'd do it that way | 10:03 |
| minghua | Adri2000: (2) upstream ships autom4te.cache/ in tarball | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | my goodness, somebody actually like one of my forum posts! | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | *liked | 10:05 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: amazing!! | 10:05 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: this is why I don't post on the forums | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | I know | 10:05 |
| Adri2000 | minghua: ok for the NEWS file, and for autom4te.cache/ I can remove it with a debian/rules ? | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | but I had to say something about this Scibuntu stuff | 10:06 |
| ajmitch | the forums aren't particularly motivating most days | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 10:07 |
| sivang | ajmitch: trust me, ther are other things to get unmotivated by ;) | 10:07 |
| === sivang could name a few and could use a motivational recharge | ||
| LaserJock | but I got this response: "LaserJock, what a remarkable explanation you gave! Wonderful! I hope there are more scientific oriented people like you, developing and expanding the glory of Ubuntu." | 10:07 |
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| LaserJock | now I just have to wait for the 5 "You suck and don't know what you are talking about. Oh yeah, you are also a Shuttleworth toadie" | 10:08 |
| minghua | Adri2000: I have no idea what you should do with autom4te.cache/, especially since you are using CDBS | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: depressing, isn't it? | 10:08 |
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| minghua | Adri2000: Ideally you should tell upstream not to ship it | 10:08 |
| minghua | Adri2000: and what's the point of changing Categories in .desktop from "Applications" to "Application" anyway? | 10:09 |
| minghua | Adri2000: neither of them passes desktop-file-validate | 10:09 |
| Adri2000 | I know, but most of the desktop files use "Application" | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | many .desktops are pretty bad too ;-) | 10:10 |
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| minghua | LaserJock: hear, hear. :-) | 10:10 |
| Adri2000 | minghua: how would you do with debhelper? | 10:11 |
| zul | mmmmm forums...so crunchy and chewey leaves a sour taste in your mouth | 10:11 |
| minghua | Adri2000: that I don't know either (note I said particularly :-), but I assume it will be safe to remove it in the clean target | 10:11 |
| minghua | s/particularly/especially/ | 10:12 |
| Adri2000 | ok | 10:12 |
| minghua | . o O { what's the difference between these two words...? } | 10:12 |
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| LaserJock | minghua: either would work in that context I think | 10:14 |
| minghua | LaserJock: thanks | 10:15 |
| joejaxx | anyone have a mac that dual boots x and 9? | 10:17 |
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| zul | later | 10:18 |
| Adri2000 | minghua: did you see "dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of directory autom4te.cache" ? I don't understand what is trying to remove it | 10:19 |
| minghua | Adri2000: I didn't build it, so there is no way I would see that | 10:20 |
| Adri2000 | it's just the build of the source package | 10:20 |
| minghua | Adri2000: it won't surprise me if "make clean" removes that though | 10:20 |
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| Adri2000 | I don't see any "autom4te.cache" in the makefile, even in the whole source directory :/ | 10:22 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: are you around? | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: might be a little early for him yet | 10:23 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | it's before dinner time | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 10:23 |
| joejaxx | i am trying to boot into macosx | 10:24 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: :) | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | ok | 10:24 |
| joejaxx | but it keeps booting into system 9 | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | oh, hmm | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | I haven't had to deal with system 9 | 10:24 |
| minghua | Adri2000: take your source package, dpkg-source -x it, and you'll see the autom4te.cache/ dir, it's in the upstream tarball | 10:24 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | I think when I first started college it was like system 6 or something | 10:24 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: i am just wondering how this thing know which one to boot into | 10:24 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: wow | 10:25 |
| joejaxx | i have an original system 8.5 dosc | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | then I went straight to OS X | 10:25 |
| joejaxx | ;p; | 10:25 |
| joejaxx | lol :P | 10:25 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: ah | 10:25 |
| joejaxx | disc* | 10:25 |
| Adri2000 | minghua: yes yes, but I mean, a grep -R autom4te.cache homebank-3.2/ doesn't return anything | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | usually you have to hit some cryptic key sequence during boot | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | have you googled it? | 10:25 |
| joejaxx | hmm | 10:25 |
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| joejaxx | yeah apple key + c brings me to sys 9 | 10:26 |
| joejaxx | but | 10:26 |
| joejaxx | it just goes there automatically now | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | hmm :/ | 10:27 |
| minghua | Adri2000: something in the build process removed it | 10:29 |
| minghua | Adri2000: maybe make clean, maybe configure | 10:29 |
| minghua | I honestly have no idea though | 10:29 |
| minghua | autotools are still black magic to me | 10:29 |
| Adri2000 | I've just rm -rf my working directory and downloaded diff/orig/dsc from revu and dpkg-source -x | 10:32 |
| Adri2000 | at the first debuild, "ignoring deletion" doesn't appear | 10:32 |
| Adri2000 | and autom4te.cache doesn't exist anymore :) | 10:33 |
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| minghua | then I think we can exclude "make clean" already | 10:33 |
| Adri2000 | found | 10:34 |
| minghua | (that message is from building source package BTW) | 10:34 |
| Adri2000 | black magic of dh_clean | 10:34 |
| minghua | Hmm... So CDBS's clean target doesn't run dh_clean? | 10:35 |
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| Adri2000 | /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk: | 10:37 |
| Adri2000 | clean:: | 10:37 |
| Adri2000 | dh_clean $(call cdbs_add_dashx,$(DEB_CLEAN_EXCLUDE)) | 10:37 |
| Adri2000 | and if you grep autom4te.cache in /usr/bin/dh_clean you find something | 10:37 |
| minghua | what I meant is that you are supposed to have run clean target when you build the source package | 10:38 |
| minghua | and therefore should get the warning in the first build as well | 10:38 |
| Adri2000 | the warning was here because autom4te.cache was already deleted | 10:39 |
| Adri2000 | the first time it isn't yet deleted | 10:39 |
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| giskard | autom4te.cache shouldn't stay in a tar.gz | 10:59 |
| _MMA_ | imbrandon: ping | 10:59 |
| nixternal | funny thing is we get picked on for restricted-drivers and we aren't free, however -> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/blog/ | 11:00 |
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| LaserJock | nixternal: hahahaha | 11:05 |
| nixternal | ya, i went to do my yearly donation, and that is what i was presented with | 11:05 |
| nixternal | i swore in the past i just donated | 11:05 |
| Adri2000 | giskard: why? I will ask upstream to remove it for the next release, and dh_clean removes it automatically at the moment | 11:06 |
| rmjb | hey guys, you all know any reason ~/bin would be in my $PATH in a virtual terminal but not in a gnome-terminal session? | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | nixternal: they don't want your money, obviously :) | 11:08 |
| nixternal | i guess not | 11:09 |
| nixternal | and i even told them to donate 100% of my funds to the FSF and i didn't want a gift | 11:09 |
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| minghua | rmjb: using gdm? | 11:13 |
| rmjb | yeah | 11:14 |
| minghua | gdm doesn't read ~/.bash_profile, has its own $PATH setting, etc., etc. | 11:14 |
| minghua | so look at your gdm setting | 11:14 |
| rmjb | :s | 11:14 |
| minghua | (exactly where, I don't really know) | 11:14 |
| minghua | I only know the sarge version of GDM | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | hmm, why would it have anything to do with GDM? | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | I can see .bash_profile vs .bashrc | 11:16 |
| minghua | well, in a standard debian system, I believe the original $PATH is read from /etc/profile | 11:17 |
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| minghua | everything else just modify it, add their own pieces | 11:17 |
| minghua | GDM has its own $PATH though | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | right, but how does that effect gnome-terminal? | 11:19 |
| rmjb | is it a bash/dash issue? | 11:20 |
| minghua | because your gnome-terminal process is a child of your X session, which is spawned in the environment set by GDM? | 11:21 |
| minghua | or maybe I get the process relation wrong | 11:22 |
| rmjb | a quick check off the command pstree shows gnome-terminal off init, and running bash | 11:23 |
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| minghua | anyway the reality is, whatever you change the $PATH in your /etc/profile, it applies your text terminal, and the X terminals if you use startx | 11:23 |
| minghua | but got lost if you use GDM | 11:23 |
| LaserJock | hmm, would you guys say that we (MOTUs) support the Universe packages? | 11:23 |
| minghua | I just know this from experience, don't know the technical details | 11:23 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure "support" is the right word | 11:24 |
| minghua | what about "take care of" them ;-) | 11:24 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: in some sense we do | 11:24 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: how about "have an abiding hate for" ? ;) | 11:24 |
| LaserJock | I mean, we do provide updates and security fixes as much as we can | 11:24 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: that won't help recruitment | 11:24 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 11:25 |
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| ajmitch | LaserJock: depends on who you're looking to recruit :) | 11:25 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 11:25 |
| ajmitch | there are some universe packages for which that is certainly true | 11:25 |
| ajmitch | we don't maintain universe packages | 11:26 |
| ajmitch | nor do we really support them | 11:26 |
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| rmjb | minghua: when I set the option in gnome-terminal to "Run command as a login shell" it picked up the proper setting | 11:27 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: hmmm | 11:27 |
| rmjb | I don't know where it gets the PATH without that option on... couldn't find anything under the System menu or in gconf-editor | 11:27 |
| minghua | rmjb: yes, as it will read ~/.bash_profile then | 11:29 |
| minghua | and probably /etc/profile as well | 11:30 |
| rmjb | is there anything wrong with you all's Language Support application? mine brings up some large entries in the Default Language selection box, that look like email headers | 11:30 |
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| nixternal | advocate and upload if you are free please. thank you | 11:33 |
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| nixternal | hahaa | 11:33 |
| nixternal | it might help if i provide a link ey | 11:33 |
| nixternal | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3439 | 11:33 |
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| LaserJock | I was wondering who you were talking to | 11:33 |
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| nixternal | myself | 11:33 |
| nixternal | i think the changelog is fine, and is the way i have always done it | 11:34 |
| LaserJock | rmjb: looks fine to me on Edgy | 11:34 |
| nixternal | if it needs to have the * Merge info as well as a recap of what happened previously then I can do that | 11:34 |
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| rmjb | hmm... must be the round-a-bout way I had to go through to install edgy on this fakeraid... it's not a problem I guess | 11:35 |
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| rmjb | for merging, best to use motu-tools? | 11:38 |
| LaserJock | on merges.ubuntu.com an "updated merges" are packages that have already been merged once for feisty but have since been updated in Debian? | 11:42 |
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| kmon_ | Hi | 11:44 |
| kmon_ | can I request a package not in debian via a bug in lauchpad->people->motus? | 11:45 |
| rmjb | what package? | 11:45 |
| kmon_ | gaim-libnotify | 11:45 |
| imbrandon | kmon_, the package isnt in debian but you want it in ubuntu ? | 11:45 |
| kmon_ | imbrandon: yep | 11:45 |
| imbrandon | has it been packaged yet, you just want "someone" to do it | 11:46 |
| kmon_ | not in debian, it's in an evil 3rd party repo | 11:46 |
| nixternal | i would have left the "evil 3rd party repo" part out around imbrandon, he is a huge RMS fan | 11:46 |
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| imbrandon | well if you want to do the leg work, grab the source from the 3rd party repo and clean it up where needed | 11:47 |
| imbrandon | and submit it to REVU | 11:47 |
| kmon_ | I've no idea on how to package | 11:47 |
| imbrandon | if not add it to the canidates page | 11:47 |
| imbrandon | ok then it falls into you wish "someone" to do it :) | 11:47 |
| rmjb | where's the candidates page? | 11:47 |
| kmon_ | imbrandon: yes,... :) | 11:47 |
| imbrandon | in that case add it to the canidates page and when "someone" gets time that is where new packagers are sent etc | 11:48 |
| geser | I've a private deb for gaim-libnotify | 11:48 |
| geser | should clean it up and upload to revu first | 11:48 |
| kmon_ | geser: that would be awesome | 11:48 |
| imbrandon | rmjb, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Candidates | 11:48 |
| _MMA_ | imbrandon: PM? | 11:48 |
| kmon_ | I really don't like guiications, gaim-libnotify looks more integrated into gnome | 11:49 |
| imbrandon | _MMA_, sure | 11:50 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: you should just sit down for a weekend & package up everything on the candidates page :) | 11:50 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, ahhahahaha | 11:50 |
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| kmon_ | imbrandon: we could pay you the beers | 11:50 |
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| kmon_ | but I'm afraid that's a lot of beers, and it would make package quality worse... | 11:51 |
| kmon_ | hehe | 11:51 |
| LaserJock | nah | 11:52 |
| kmon_ | geser: thanks man. | 11:53 |
| LaserJock | some of the best packaging has apparently done "under the influence" | 11:53 |
| imbrandon | :) | 11:53 |
| LaserJock | I'm just glad our release manager knows when he shouldn't be releasing .isos | 11:53 |
| imbrandon | LOL | 11:53 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: have you seen that in -devel ever? | 11:54 |
| imbrandon | or when the community manager SHOULD be recruiting cheerleaders | 11:54 |
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| imbrandon | LaserJock, a time or two :) | 11:54 |
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| LaserJock | it was something like Edgy Beta where tollef is says something like "I'm not releasing now, I've had too much wine" | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | s/is says/said/ | 11:55 |
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| kmon_ | goodbye | 11:56 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: I'm sure that it won't take you too long :) | 11:57 |
| imbrandon | lol | 11:57 |
| ajmitch | I'd only be able to get through maybe 1 or 2 | 11:57 |
| imbrandon | i would be able to get like 0.5 done atm | 11:58 |
| imbrandon | sh*t amarok is in depwait ...... /me grumbles | 11:58 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | I sure wish we could clean that list up though, it's pretty horrendous | 11:58 |
| ajmitch | back later | 11:58 |
| imbrandon | later | 11:58 |
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| imbrandon | LaserJock, good place to send the newbs till greyskull is formed | 11:59 |
| nixternal | im looking at it now | 11:59 |
| imbrandon | i might try to clean it up some later if i get bored | 11:59 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: you get a chance to check out kvirc at all? | 11:59 |
| imbrandon | some are alreaday done like frostwaire | 11:59 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, yea i've been looking at it | 12:00 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: not a very good place :/ | 12:00 |
| LaserJock | a lot of the stuff on there has licensing issues, etc. | 12:00 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, did you fix the changelog ? | 12:00 |
| nixternal | not since the last post i haven't....do i need to do a recap on the previous changes done in debian? | 12:00 |
| Adri2000 | yes | 12:01 |
| rmjb | question about handling a merge | 12:01 |
| imbrandon | no you need to recap the changes you left in from ubuntu | 12:01 |
| rmjb | a file has <<<<<<< on one line, then a few lines down ======== then some more lines down >>>>>> | 12:01 |
| Adri2000 | and the changelog entries from debian | 12:02 |
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| rmjb | do I delete the lines between the <<<<<< and the ====== to make it a sync? | 12:02 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: i.e., dh_iconcache? | 12:02 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, yes , make sure and keep all the debian changelog entries, and the last one needs to have the remaning ubuntu changes, like dh_iconcache | 12:02 |
| nixternal | ok, dh_iconcache was the only change correct? | 12:03 |
| nixternal | besides version number and feisty | 12:03 |
| imbrandon | i havent looked , that was your job as the merger :) | 12:03 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 12:03 |
| imbrandon | but iirc yes | 12:03 |
| nixternal | well then, dh_iconcache is all i seen | 12:03 |
| nixternal | i can add under my merge note that dh_iconcache was enabled, as you had done previously in that changelog | 12:04 |
| imbrandon | does it use cdbs ? | 12:04 |
| nixternal | yes | 12:04 |
| imbrandon | e.g. kde.mk in the rules ? | 12:04 |
| nixternal | i don't think kde.mk was in there, but i am double checking right now | 12:04 |
| imbrandon | if it has kde.mk in the rules , dh_iconcache has been added to that and it can be synced | 12:04 |
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| imbrandon | if that was the only change | 12:05 |
| nixternal | no kde.mk | 12:05 |
| imbrandon | ok never mind then , yes add it to the changelog | 12:05 |
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| nixternal | * Merge from Debian unstable | 12:06 |
| nixternal | * Added dh_iconcache | 12:06 |
| nixternal | cool? | 12:06 |
| rmjb | okay, I've resolved the conflicts of a merge, deleted the .UBUNTU file and removed the lines from the old ubuntu package... i.e. made it a sync (I think) what now?? | 12:07 |
| LaserJock | rmjb: a sync? all the previous Ubuntu changes are no longer needed? | 12:08 |
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| rmjb | they were handled in the new debian version | 12:09 |
| rmjb | only 1 might be needed but have to wait for herd1 for that | 12:09 |
| rmjb | to test | 12:10 |
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| Adri2000 | rmjb: why would you have to wait? | 12:11 |
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