[12:15] I intend to make it so === Simon80 [n=Simon80@bas6-toronto63-1096715969.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp1-105.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:19] I can't imagine the TB wanting to be responsible for deciding [12:19] I don't imagine that's vaguely relevant to TB, even. [12:20] ouch @ the soliciting mail on -devel [12:21] ugh [12:23] LaserJock: somebody needs to decide if non-MOTUs can post to the list [12:23] what list? [12:24] the new -devel list, that only MOTU and core-dev can post to [12:24] why not members [12:24] for "people like yo" [12:24] well, there are people who are members and still contribute to the noise [12:25] yes if i was the guy in charge there would be no such thing [12:25] but im an uncompromising jerk [12:25] I live in fear of such a day [12:25] me in charge? [12:25] or cutting Members [12:25] both [12:25] it seems like anyone can be a member === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] that is the point [12:26] thus claiming to represent us in the world [12:26] hostmask, email etc [12:26] < not a fan === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] I think it's a good thing to have membership be a much lower bar, and I'm in favour of an ubuntu-dev-only list [12:27] but there is a class of "highly-technical-but-not-MOTU" who can add value, such as myself [12:27] and the CC doesn't have the time to differentiate [12:28] no, but that isn't their job, in this case [12:28] it is a tb decision, really [12:28] well, what makes your word better than RandomForumUser [12:28] who posted 100 times [12:28] and convinced someone to vouch for him as a member [12:28] *I* know better [12:29] perhaps we just need another LP team [12:29] quite simple; other people trust me and I have proven myself not to contribute to the noise ratio [12:29] a casual observer doesnt know the difference [12:29] like a ubuntu-dev-list-approved team or whatever [12:29] that isn't the point [12:29] not for the list === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-147-18.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] like for membership and MOTU, you need to prove yourself to a set body, not the world [12:33] crimsun: you are not afraid of \sh complaining about more teams again? ;-) [12:34] people complain about everything; one more complaint won't reverse the Earth's revolution === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.146.75] has joined #ubuntu-motu === micahcowan [n=micahcow@69.36.252.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jderose [n=jderose@72.174.64.23] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] imbrandon: assignment? === LaserJock thinks imbrandon has super uber MOTU powers [01:00] LaserJock, i forgot a debian/copyright in a NEW package i uploaded, so i had to right it 1000 times :) [01:00] hahaha [01:00] s/right/write [01:01] so as a joke I did , and emailed it to him when i uploaded the fixed package :) [01:01] oi [01:02] darn it, stupid metric system!!! [01:02] I bet imbradon used some scripts or smart editor functions [01:02] LaserJock: come on, you are a scientist [01:02] imbrandon: quit lieing...you didn't write it hundred times, you copied/pasted it 100 times..actually probably just 10, as the list got longer, so did the pastes ;) [01:02] shhhh [01:02] haha [01:03] LaserJock: or do American chemists use ounces other than grams? [01:03] yeah, and I just found out I bought a metric translation stage for $500 :/ [01:03] now I've got to return it :( [01:03] minghua: seeing as the dealers in chicago use grahams, and they are some pretty darn good chemists from what i hear ;p [01:03] graham cracker? [01:03] wth is wrong with me [01:03] heh [01:03] grams... [01:04] i think i have a tumor, not a brain [01:04] so today I have a dead vacuum pump, dead laser (luckily I we fixed it), and a stupid metric translation stage [01:05] what's a translation stage BTW? [01:05] s/I we/ my boss and I/ === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] well, my particular one is http://www.newport.com/401406-Series-High-Performance-Large-Platform-Two-/140117/1033/catalog.aspx === ajmitch returns [01:07] how do you buy something like that by accident? [01:07] I see. I think I've seen these things in labs [01:07] bhale: don't worry, with the various team councils, there's potential for the bar being set even lower [01:07] Simon80: they are identical, just one version is metric [01:08] Simon80: so I guess I accidentally clicked on the metric one [01:08] as opposed to Imp? [01:08] yeah [01:08] everytime you talk about this stuff LaserJock, i always picture the mini-me scene with the " lazer " [01:08] ah [01:09] nixternal: no, I'm the lab Laser Safety Officer, I don't allow laser humping [01:10] it can be perfectly safe, with the right protective implements... [01:12] hahaha === cr3 [i=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] ajmitch: nice [01:17] bhale: like a forum council which can approve members on forums [01:17] oh jeez [01:18] so has dchroot been swallowed up by schroot? [01:18] and council greyskull :) === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] but Council Grayskull will have a high bar [01:19] not everyone can have the right to wear the He-Man sword ;-) [01:19] dchroot, schroot? what? [01:19] LaserJock: you are, undoubtably, a very boring person [01:19] LaserJock: as I said, I had a he-man sword [01:20] bhale: I know, that's why you get to be a MOTU ;-) [01:20] who needs council greyskull when we have the trinity of motu? [01:20] mwhuahaha [01:20] Burgwork: sorry, I'm not so boring in real life, I swear ;-) [01:20] lol , every time i hear that i think of the matrix [01:20] crimsun: is it just a trinity? [01:21] slomo ajmitch dholbach siretart [01:21] make 4 [01:21] nah, LaserJock, bddebian, and imbrandon. [01:21] bhale: nah [01:21] really, you trust those lamers? [01:21] is that the trinity of stupidity? [01:21] heh [01:21] bbiab , dinner time === Rasman [n=Rasman@24.sub-72-106-159.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] the upload whores === bddebian hugs bhale === bhale hugs bddebian [01:22] dude, I need to become a MOTU, just to become an upload whore === ajmitch isn't worthy of such a title [01:23] I just go for touching a few packages [01:23] we're just mere mortals [01:23] Burgwork: will you upload to just about anywhere? [01:23] yeah, I don't upload much === bddebian doesn't do shit :-( [01:26] how does someone go about getting involved with ubuntu? [01:26] topic has some pointers [01:27] see /MOTU , for instance [01:27] I have already submitted bugs but I would like to learn how a bug is resolved and see if there is somewhere I can assist. [01:28] we're just mere mortals [01:28] way to modest [01:28] nixternal: crimsun is always like that - he does more than the rest of the team put together [01:28] he is a team [01:29] I think I uploaded something last month [01:29] maybe not [01:29] I will be thrown out one of these days [01:29] I uploaded a new package last week, and that's about it [01:29] i have people upload for me [01:29] i can 'dput revu' though ;) [01:32] Where could I find information on how-to include a new package into the official ubuntu repos? [01:32] !revu [01:32] REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU [01:33] good old revu [01:34] bddebian: Can you have a look at ygraph and confirm what I said on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Science/UpstreamDelta that everything except the .desktop file stuff are just junk during build? [01:34] bddebian: in that case we can sync from debian and discard ubuntu changes [01:36] that's right minghua, crack the whip on him === minghua throws COC at LaserJock [01:37] me? but what did I do? ;-) [01:38] dholbach, ping [01:38] imbrandon: pong [01:38] the dholbach is in :) [01:38] aha, so the feisty testing CDs are going to be called Herd? [01:38] mind if i add "drop distro check, get rid of message when using dch -i ." back with ubuntu distronames, my thinking is many will mispell feisty [01:39] dholbach, ^ [01:39] to devscripts === minghua anticipates the confusion this will cause among Chinese users (due to Hurd) [01:40] minghua: at least we can say that the herd released :) [01:40] lol [01:40] does gNewSense have a hurd kernel ? [01:40] I hope not [01:40] imbrandon: so you'd add all the {warty,hoary,breezy,dapper, edgy},{,-updates,-backports,-security} combinations to it? [01:40] imbrandon: if you want to do that ... sure [01:40] dholbach, that was my thinking yes [01:40] ok cool [01:41] that way when people mispell feisty it will prompt to make sure thats what they want [01:41] ok i'll do that after dinner [01:41] . o O { fisty } [01:41] hehe [01:42] "Are you really, _really_ sure about this?" === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua considers patching vim debchanglog syntax file to check ubuntu codenames [01:43] (or does it do that already?) [01:43] minghua, that what i was talking about , when you use "dch -i -Dblah" [01:43] it uses what ever editor , nano/emacs/vim [01:44] what ever VISUAL is set to [01:44] imbrandon: I am talking about syntax highlighting [01:44] currently if you misspell "unstable", it will be highlighted as "Error" in vim [01:44] ahh [01:45] ok really dinner, bbiab [01:45] which is something IMHO having a better chance to be included in Debian [01:45] is that because it is mispelled or because it isn't a proper Debian release [01:45] LaserJock: the latter [01:45] cool [01:46] so you guys think this is a good idea? I'll probably do it tonight then [01:46] sounds ok to me [01:47] imbrandon: of course that's quite independent to what you are trying to do [01:47] i dont use vim for changelogs but i'm sure for those that do will like it [01:47] minghua, right [01:47] two seperate packages and things, but the same idea [01:47] err same problem [01:48] i wonder if nano supports syntax hilighting , i doubt it [01:48] something to look at later tonight [01:48] crimsun: sweet, no sond [01:48] sound* [01:48] i'm sure you hear that all the time :) [01:49] crimsun: ah im dumb, feisty upgrade set PCM mixer to 0 === TMM [n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pygi [n=mario@83-131-14-39.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [i=doko@conference/canonical/x-96f9bda2b4eee3db] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pygi notes what a junk of package brasero is === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:17] hello Hobbsee [02:17] pygi: fix it up [02:17] hey ajmitch [02:17] ajmitch, I'm fixing it already, no worries :) === imbrandon considers upgrading horatio to feisty and riding the wave [02:26] i upgraded my deskto plast night [02:26] including the "desktop crack" button [02:26] lol [02:27] i upgraded my laptop but i rarely use my laptop at home [02:27] soo [02:28] yeah, currently I've just upgraded the laptop to feisty, the desktop hasn't had the upgrade love yet [02:28] humm, anyone from the helsinki area here? I need to get my gpg-key signed.. Or is there a virtual way to confirm my identity? [02:28] xopher: gpg signing is generally a physical thing [02:29] So Ive read yeah [02:29] doesnt necesarily need to be anyone from ubuntu i dont think? [02:29] Lathiat, someone from MOTU people ^_^ [02:29] or core-dev [02:29] right, dont think a MOTU lives next door [02:29] xopher, heh [02:29] perhaps he/she does :P [02:30] you're more likely to find a debian developer [02:30] that is also a problem in Croatia :P [02:30] hhehe [02:30] xopher, I can count one MoTU from Croatia :P === ajmitch doesn't quite have the same problem, thankfully [02:31] ajmitch, right ^_^ [02:31] pygi, is there a list of MOTUs somewhere? :P [02:31] xopher, ofcourse, but not where they live ^_^ [02:31] i dont think there is a MOTU in the same square miles of me as croatia is [02:31] :) [02:32] xopher: look for debian developers in helsinki [02:32] imbrandon, I must say I lost you on that one :P [02:32] allright [02:32] thanks [02:32] e.g if you took the area of croatia and put it arround me there would not be a MOTU in my area either [02:32] hello everyone [02:33] imbrandon, ah, that :P [02:33] there are lots in the US but not in the same ammount of area [02:33] :) [02:33] https://nm.debian.org/gpg_offer.php [02:33] imbrandon, ofcourse :P === eaglehawk [n=shahbaz@80-47-227-59.lond-th.dynamic.dial.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=helsinki === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-110-95.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] hello everybody [02:34] someone would like to comment on: why alsa not updated to 1.0.13 in edgy yet [02:34] ajmitch, heh, just two debian devs === \sh_away [n=nnsherma@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] haha ajmitch no one in nj [02:34] 5 in dunedin, NZ [02:34] (DDs that I know of) [02:35] ajmitch, what does biglumber gives? === ajmitch shrugs [02:36] someone would like to comment on: why alsa not updated to 1.0.13 in edgy yet [02:36] 2 people [02:36] eaglehawk: patience [02:36] ok [02:36] ajmitch, it gives 5 people for "zageb" but I'm quite sure none of them is debian or ubuntu dev [02:40] eaglehawk: in edgy? === ajmitch misread that as feisty already [02:40] yes edgy [02:40] it will not be upgraded in edgy [02:40] edgy is released [02:40] ajmitch: hehe, thought you might have [02:40] has anyone tried cdebootstrap with ubuntu? [02:40] why is so still so many sound issues with 1.0.11 [02:42] 1.0.13 might fix many laptop and front speaker and hda-intel issues? [02:43] eaglehawk: "might"? do you have concrete examples? [02:43] it seems like i am going to have to modify a debian upstream package and fork it because it does not work with ubuntu [02:43] eaglehawk: it's also likely to break many more things. edgy is released [02:44] hobbsee: what can it break as 1.0.13 is the final release and it fixes many audio codecs as stated on the alsa website and bugtracker? === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === lupine_8a [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cr3 [i=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:56] bhale: yep, a bug (known: #21804 ), hopefully addressed this release [03:02] minghua: Sorry was bathing the kids and putting them to bed. Did you still need me to look at something? [03:02] bddebian: yes, ygraph [03:02] bddebian: you old merge had a lot of build-system diffs [03:03] bddebian: which I don't understand (and think they are just uncleaned autotools-generated junk) [03:04] minghua: Yeah, should be fine [03:05] bddebian: I'll file sync request then, thanks [03:05] NP === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu__ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-160-241.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] hi all === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.145.53] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:41] ello fernando === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] hi imbrandon === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] afternoon Burgundavia [03:42] re [03:42] 'ello [03:43] Burgundavia, got a sec for a pm? === caravena [n=caravena@169-163-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] ugh that does it === zul [n=bob@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] desktop is getting feisty [03:50] muhahaha its alive === imbrandon crosses fingers [03:50] heya zul [03:50] hey imbrandon [03:53] I can't figure out how to make a feisty chroot at the moment :/ [03:53] make an edgy chroot and upgrade? [03:53] LaserJock, hm, debootstrap ? [03:53] well the edgy dchroot is all weird [03:54] it depends on schroot [03:54] and then there is no /etc/dchroot.conf [03:54] so I started wondering what happened to it === ajmitch selectively upgrades to feisty [03:58] so dchroot is dead or something === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon10591.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:59] ajmitch, well i'm editing the sources.list, i think i'm gonna blow my uptime and dive right in [04:00] hi, how can I get an updated source package into feisty? [04:00] LaserJock: Yes, since schroot can do anything dchroot can. [04:01] I tested dmraid rc13 on a feisty pbuilder and it worked... should I upload to revu or something? [04:01] There's a document in schroot about migrating. [04:01] rmjb, what do you wanna update? [04:01] imbrandon: yeah, I'm doing it a few packages at a time right now [04:01] pygi: dmraid [04:01] rmjb, that is where? universe? [04:01] yeah [04:02] imbrandon: my uptime will disappear once I do some xen testing anyway [04:02] StevenK: hmm, ok [04:02] ah,k, revu is sane choice [04:02] 450 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [04:02] Need to get 449MB of archives. [04:02] here we go [04:02] StevenK: schroot seems much more difficult to set up though [04:02] who pingedme earlier? [04:03] pygi: okay, I just checked, debian unstable is up to dmraid rc13... should I check MoM then? [04:03] rmjb, I think we'll auto-sync then or something [04:04] okay, there's a conflict and I'll resolve it [04:04] zakame: we were talking about electricsheep [04:06] LaserJock: oh [04:06] LaserJock: what about it? [04:06] aside from my mistake? :P [04:07] that's all [04:07] ah hehe [04:07] well, your changelog should also list the specific changes you kept [04:07] so we can keep track better === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:08] should we really do that? after all there is the previous changelog entry; what I'd keep track of are the changes _not_ kept in the latest merge [04:09] yes, it is now policy [04:09] to list the Ubuntu changes you kept [04:10] hmm ok; where's the policy document? [04:11] not sure if we have a document for that [04:11] it was sent to the devel list [04:11] there was an email from Keybuk [04:11] we do need a doc for it, perhaps it's on the DevelopersResources page [04:11] motus & hopefuls should also subscribe to the devel list? [04:12] waah, a policy only documented in email, what a shame :( [04:12] rmjb: of course :-) [04:12] rmjb, well a MOTU is a ubuntu-dev so i would say so [04:12] at least ubuntu-devel-announce === zakame searches the -devel for it [04:12] any others? I'm only on motu [04:12] rmjb: your locoteam list, if it has one :) [04:13] rmjb, depends on the teams your part, of or intrested in [04:13] for now only motu === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.145.41] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:13] and I don't think there's more than 20 ubuntu users in Trinidad [04:13] well motu is a developer thus the name of the group is ubuntu-dev :) [04:14] hmm should also join that channel too I guess === rmjb is still learning [04:15] oh there we go, "Merge Policy Change" [04:16] where should I put that in the wiki? MOTU/Documentation/Merging/Policy? [04:16] you could put it there for the time being [04:16] I'll probably merge it in with some other policy stuff later [04:16] so it'll probably move around [04:17] ok, I'll do just that :D [04:18] MOTU/Processes/Merging ? [04:19] most of that type things are in the processes namespace === schultmc [n=schultmc@216-54-159-97.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:22] either way, I'll probably move stuff around anyway ;-) [04:23] i think after tonight i'll have uploaded more packages already to feisty than the whole edgy cycle [04:23] wow === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:23] zakame: generally current policy should be on DeveloperResources [04:23] LaserJock: ok, saved it under MOTU/merging/Policy [04:24] imbrandon: I find that hard to believe, just how many packages are you uploading tonight? [04:24] ajmitch: well, that's more of a Main thing isn't it? [04:24] LaserJock: it documents it for the whole distro [04:24] ajmitch: too late, just ssaved it [04:24] ajmitch, i mean to feisty altogather, but after i finish tonight about 10, i forgot how many i did in the edgy cycle ( i'm sure its probably more though ) [04:25] hmm, that reminds me [04:25] I'm supposed to be working on the Ubuntu Developer's Reference :( === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:25] ajmitch: well I'll just be leaving the moving-around to LaserJock then while merging ;) [04:26] imbrandon: not bad, you'll probably do about 20x more than me :) [04:26] ajmitch, nah i tend to do alot at the begning and end [04:26] not much in the middle [04:26] dunno why [04:27] you'll still do more [04:27] I'll just try & slay some dragons like FDS [04:28] hehe [04:28] here be dragons [04:30] hrm upgrade to feisty done, guess i should cross my fingers and reboot [04:30] reboot??? [04:30] if i'm not back in a few, tell my mum i fought the dragons well [04:30] you're going to reboot a feisty machine?? ;-) [04:30] LaserJock, yea new kernel [04:30] should be fine, the forums say so anyway :-) [04:30] LOL [04:31] LaserJock, forums say a lot of things [04:31] well ..... i dunno what to say to that [04:31] except we have reasons to upgrade [04:31] :) === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:49] anybody got a feisty schroot set up? [04:50] will a xen domain do instead? [04:50] what is the difference between a feisty chroot and a feisty schroot? [04:50] nope, I haven't figured Xen out [04:51] schroot is an app to manage chroots, I think [04:51] that's my understanding as well [04:52] I'm trying to create a feisty chroot [04:52] so LaserJock did you mean "who had feisty schroot program installed and set up"? [04:52] yes [04:52] but I figured people would know what I meant ;-) [04:53] well you know I am not a native speaker :-P [04:54] LaserJock, why not just make an edgy one and upgrade it ? [04:55] btw the upgrade went smooth and i'm back [04:55] hopefully it will stay this way lol [04:55] imbrandon: no, no. The issue is not that it's feisty [04:56] it's that I can't figure out how to make a chroot with schroot [04:56] oh [04:56] as dchroot seems to be depreciated [04:56] should be the same, they are interchangeable afaik [04:56] i've only use dchroot [04:56] LaserJock: by "make chroot", did you mean "create a chroot environment"? [04:56] minghua, yes, that is what that means [04:57] because when I used dchroot, I created a chroot environment using debootstrap first, then just point dchroot to it [04:57] LaserJock: schroot has a compatibility mode. [04:57] correct [04:57] ah, well that's true I suppose [04:57] but I'm stuck with how to use it [04:57] LaserJock: It will read a dchroot.conf [04:58] maybe I should just give up on dchroot/schroot [04:58] I suppose I don't *have* to have it [04:58] LaserJock, nah [04:58] I've just always done it that way [04:58] You could always just use 'sudo chroot' ? [04:58] LaserJock, did you read the wiki on debootstrap ? [04:59] imbrandon: of course [05:00] :) [05:00] sorry guys, I'm feeling stupid here [05:01] my main issue was there was no /etc/dchroot.conf [05:01] so I was a little confused about what to do [05:03] StevenK: so I should be able to just create a /etc/dchroot.conf and schroot will be ok with it [05:05] syn match debchangelogTarget contained "$ stable\| frozen\| unstable\| testing-proposed-updates\| experimental\| sarge-backports\| sarge-volatile\| stable-security\| testing-security$\+" [05:05] Hmm, this is going to be messy for ubuntu [05:06] (that's vim's debian/changelog distribution checking I mentioned earlier) [05:09]