[12:15] <Burgwork> I intend to make it so
[12:19] <LaserJock> I can't imagine the TB wanting to be responsible for deciding
[12:19] <crimsun> I don't imagine that's vaguely relevant to TB, even.
[12:20] <minghua> ouch @ the soliciting mail on -devel
[12:21] <bhale> ugh
[12:23] <Burgwork> LaserJock: somebody needs to decide if non-MOTUs can post to the list
[12:23] <bhale> what list?
[12:24] <Burgwork> the new -devel list, that only MOTU and core-dev can post to
[12:24] <bhale> why not members
[12:24] <bhale> for "people like yo"
[12:24] <Burgwork> well, there are people who are members and still contribute to the noise
[12:25] <bhale> yes if i was the guy in charge there would be no such thing
[12:25] <bhale> but im an uncompromising jerk
[12:25] <Burgwork> I live in fear of such a day
[12:25] <bhale> me in charge?
[12:25] <bhale> or cutting Members
[12:25] <Burgwork> both
[12:25] <bhale> it seems like anyone can be a member
[12:25] <Burgwork> that is the point
[12:26] <bhale> thus claiming to represent us in the world
[12:26] <bhale> hostmask, email etc
[12:26] <bhale> < not a fan
[12:26] <crimsun> I think it's a good thing to have membership be a much lower bar, and I'm in favour of an ubuntu-dev-only list
[12:27] <Burgwork> but there is a class of "highly-technical-but-not-MOTU" who can add value, such as myself
[12:27] <bhale> and the CC doesn't have the time to differentiate
[12:28] <Burgwork> no, but that isn't their job, in this case
[12:28] <Burgwork> it is a tb decision, really
[12:28] <bhale> well, what makes your word better than RandomForumUser
[12:28] <bhale> who posted 100 times
[12:28] <bhale> and convinced someone to vouch for him as a member
[12:28] <bhale> *I* know better
[12:29] <crimsun> perhaps we just need another LP team
[12:29] <Burgwork> quite simple; other people trust me and I have proven myself not to contribute to the noise ratio
[12:29] <bhale> a casual observer doesnt know the difference
[12:29] <crimsun> like a ubuntu-dev-list-approved team or whatever
[12:29] <Burgwork> that isn't the point
[12:29] <bhale> not for the list
[12:32] <Burgwork> like for membership and MOTU, you need to prove yourself to a set body, not the world
[12:33] <minghua> crimsun: you are not afraid of \sh complaining about more teams again? ;-)
[12:34] <crimsun> people complain about everything; one more complaint won't reverse the Earth's revolution
[12:59] <LaserJock> imbrandon: assignment?
[01:00] <imbrandon> LaserJock, i forgot a debian/copyright in a NEW package i uploaded, so i had to right it 1000 times :)
[01:00] <LaserJock> hahaha
[01:00] <imbrandon> s/right/write
[01:01] <imbrandon> so as a joke I did , and emailed it to him when i uploaded the fixed package :)
[01:01] <nixternal> oi
[01:02] <LaserJock> darn it, stupid metric system!!!
[01:02] <minghua> I bet imbradon used some scripts or smart editor functions
[01:02] <minghua> LaserJock: come on, you are a scientist
[01:02] <nixternal> imbrandon: quit lieing...you didn't write it hundred times, you copied/pasted it 100 times..actually probably just 10, as the list got longer, so did the pastes ;)
[01:02] <imbrandon> shhhh
[01:02] <nixternal> haha
[01:03] <minghua> LaserJock: or do American chemists use ounces other than grams?
[01:03] <LaserJock> yeah, and I just found out I bought a metric translation stage for $500 :/
[01:03] <LaserJock> now I've got to return it :(
[01:03] <nixternal> minghua: seeing as the dealers in chicago use grahams, and they are some pretty darn good chemists from what i hear ;p
[01:03] <nixternal> graham cracker?
[01:03] <nixternal> wth is wrong with me
[01:03] <LaserJock> heh
[01:03] <nixternal> grams...
[01:04] <nixternal> i think i have a tumor, not a brain
[01:04] <LaserJock> so today I have a dead vacuum pump, dead laser (luckily I we fixed it), and a stupid metric translation stage
[01:05] <minghua> what's a translation stage BTW?
[01:05] <LaserJock> s/I we/ my boss and I/
[01:05] <LaserJock> well, my particular one is http://www.newport.com/401406-Series-High-Performance-Large-Platform-Two-/140117/1033/catalog.aspx
[01:07] <Simon80> how do you buy something like that by accident?
[01:07] <minghua> I see.  I think I've seen these things in labs
[01:07] <ajmitch> bhale: don't worry, with the various team councils, there's potential for the bar being set even lower
[01:07] <LaserJock> Simon80: they are identical, just one version is metric
[01:08] <LaserJock> Simon80: so I guess I accidentally clicked on the metric one
[01:08] <Simon80> as opposed to Imp?
[01:08] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:08] <nixternal> everytime you talk about this stuff LaserJock, i always picture the mini-me scene with the " lazer "
[01:08] <Simon80> ah
[01:09] <LaserJock> nixternal: no, I'm the lab Laser Safety Officer, I don't allow laser humping
[01:10] <Simon80> it can be perfectly safe, with the right protective implements...
[01:12] <nixternal> hahaha
[01:15] <bhale> ajmitch: nice
[01:17] <ajmitch> bhale: like a forum council which can approve members on forums
[01:17] <bhale> oh jeez
[01:18] <LaserJock> so has dchroot been swallowed up by schroot?
[01:18] <imbrandon> and council greyskull :)
[01:19] <LaserJock> but Council Grayskull will have a high bar
[01:19] <LaserJock> not everyone can have the  right to wear the He-Man sword ;-)
[01:19] <Simon80> dchroot, schroot? what?
[01:19] <Burgwork> LaserJock: you are, undoubtably, a very boring person
[01:19] <bhale> LaserJock: as I said, I had a he-man sword
[01:20] <LaserJock> bhale: I know, that's why you get to be a MOTU ;-)
[01:20] <crimsun> who needs council greyskull when we have the trinity of motu?
[01:20] <LaserJock> mwhuahaha
[01:20] <LaserJock> Burgwork: sorry, I'm not so boring in real life, I swear ;-)
[01:20] <imbrandon> lol , every time i hear that i think of the matrix
[01:20] <bhale> crimsun: is it just a trinity?
[01:21] <bhale> slomo ajmitch dholbach siretart
[01:21] <bhale> make 4
[01:21] <crimsun> nah, LaserJock, bddebian, and imbrandon.
[01:21] <ajmitch> bhale: nah
[01:21] <bhale> really, you trust those lamers?
[01:21] <LaserJock> is that the trinity of stupidity?
[01:21] <imbrandon> heh
[01:21] <imbrandon> bbiab , dinner time
[01:22] <bhale> the upload whores
[01:22] <Burgwork> dude, I need to become a MOTU, just to become an upload whore
[01:23] <ajmitch> I just go for touching a few packages
[01:23] <crimsun> we're just mere mortals
[01:23] <Simon80> Burgwork: will you upload to just about anywhere?
[01:23] <LaserJock> yeah, I don't upload much
[01:26] <Rasman> how does someone go about getting involved with ubuntu?
[01:26] <crimsun> topic has some pointers
[01:27] <crimsun> see /MOTU , for instance
[01:27] <Rasman> I have already submitted bugs but I would like to learn how a bug is resolved and see if there is somewhere I can assist.
 we're just mere mortals
[01:28] <nixternal> way to modest
[01:28] <ajmitch> nixternal: crimsun is always like that - he does more than the rest of the team put together
[01:28] <nixternal> he is a team
[01:29] <bhale> I think I uploaded something last month
[01:29] <bhale> maybe not
[01:29] <bhale> I will be thrown out one of these days
[01:29] <ajmitch> I uploaded a new package last week, and that's about it
[01:29] <nixternal> i have people upload for me
[01:29] <nixternal> i can 'dput revu' though ;)
[01:32] <xopher> Where could I find information on how-to include a new package into the official ubuntu repos?
[01:32] <LaserJock> !revu
[01:32] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[01:33] <joejaxx> good old revu
[01:34] <minghua> bddebian: Can you have a look at ygraph and confirm what I said on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Science/UpstreamDelta that everything except the .desktop file stuff are just junk during build?
[01:34] <minghua> bddebian: in that case we can sync from debian and discard ubuntu changes
[01:36] <LaserJock> that's right minghua, crack the whip on him
[01:37] <LaserJock> me? but what did I do? ;-)
[01:38] <imbrandon> dholbach, ping
[01:38] <dholbach> imbrandon: pong
[01:38] <ajmitch> the dholbach is in :)
[01:38] <minghua> aha, so the feisty testing CDs are going to be called Herd?
[01:38] <imbrandon> mind if i add "drop distro check, get rid of message when using dch -i <Ubuntu distro>." back with ubuntu distronames, my thinking is many will mispell feisty
[01:39] <imbrandon> dholbach, ^
[01:39] <imbrandon> to devscripts
[01:40] <ajmitch> minghua: at least we can say that the herd released :)
[01:40] <imbrandon> lol
[01:40] <imbrandon> does gNewSense have a hurd kernel ?
[01:40] <ajmitch> I hope not
[01:40] <dholbach> imbrandon: so you'd add all the {warty,hoary,breezy,dapper, edgy},{,-updates,-backports,-security} combinations to it?
[01:40] <dholbach> imbrandon: if you want to do that ... sure
[01:40] <imbrandon> dholbach, that was my thinking yes
[01:40] <imbrandon> ok cool
[01:41] <imbrandon> that way when people mispell feisty it will prompt to make sure thats what they want
[01:41] <imbrandon> ok i'll do that after dinner
[01:41] <dholbach> . o O { fisty }
[01:41] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:42] <ajmitch> "Are you really, _really_ sure about this?"
[01:43] <minghua> (or does it do that already?)
[01:43] <imbrandon> minghua, that what i was talking about , when you use "dch -i -Dblah"
[01:43] <imbrandon> it uses what ever editor , nano/emacs/vim
[01:44] <imbrandon> what ever VISUAL is set to
[01:44] <minghua> imbrandon: I am talking about syntax highlighting
[01:44] <minghua> currently if you misspell "unstable", it will be highlighted as "Error" in vim
[01:44] <imbrandon> ahh
[01:45] <imbrandon> ok really dinner, bbiab
[01:45] <minghua> which is something IMHO having a better chance to be included in Debian
[01:45] <LaserJock> is that because it is mispelled or because it isn't a proper Debian release
[01:45] <minghua> LaserJock: the latter
[01:45] <LaserJock> cool
[01:46] <minghua> so you guys think this is a good idea?  I'll probably do it tonight then
[01:46] <imbrandon> sounds ok to me
[01:47] <minghua> imbrandon: of course that's quite independent to what you are trying to do
[01:47] <imbrandon> i dont use vim for changelogs but i'm sure for those that do will like it
[01:47] <imbrandon> minghua, right
[01:47] <imbrandon> two seperate packages and things, but the same idea
[01:47] <imbrandon> err same problem
[01:48] <imbrandon> i wonder if nano supports syntax hilighting , i doubt it
[01:48] <imbrandon> something to look at later tonight
[01:48] <bhale> crimsun: sweet, no sond
[01:48] <bhale> sound*
[01:48] <bhale> i'm sure you hear that all the time :)
[01:49] <bhale> crimsun: ah im dumb, feisty upgrade set PCM mixer to 0
[02:17] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[02:17] <ajmitch> pygi: fix it up
[02:17] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[02:17] <pygi> ajmitch, I'm fixing it already, no worries :)
[02:26] <Lathiat> i upgraded my deskto plast night
[02:26] <Lathiat> including the "desktop crack" button
[02:26] <imbrandon> lol
[02:27] <imbrandon> i upgraded my laptop but i rarely use my laptop at home
[02:27] <imbrandon> soo
[02:28] <ajmitch> yeah, currently I've just upgraded the laptop to feisty, the desktop hasn't had the upgrade love yet
[02:28] <xopher> humm, anyone from the helsinki area here? I need to get my gpg-key signed.. Or is there a virtual way to confirm my identity?
[02:28] <Lathiat> xopher: gpg signing is generally a physical thing
[02:29] <xopher> So Ive read yeah
[02:29] <Lathiat> doesnt necesarily need to be anyone from ubuntu i dont think?
[02:29] <pygi> Lathiat, someone from MOTU people ^_^
[02:29] <pygi> or core-dev
[02:29] <xopher> right, dont think a MOTU lives next door
[02:29] <pygi> xopher, heh
[02:29] <pygi> perhaps he/she does :P
[02:30] <ajmitch> you're more likely to find a debian developer
[02:30] <pygi> that is also a problem in Croatia :P
[02:30] <xopher> hhehe
[02:30] <pygi> xopher, I can count one MoTU from Croatia :P
[02:31] <pygi> ajmitch, right ^_^
[02:31] <xopher> pygi, is there a list of MOTUs somewhere? :P
[02:31] <pygi> xopher, ofcourse, but not where they live ^_^
[02:31] <imbrandon> i dont think there is a MOTU in the same square miles of me as croatia is
[02:31] <imbrandon> :)
[02:32] <ajmitch> xopher: look for debian developers in helsinki
[02:32] <pygi> imbrandon, I must say I lost you on that one :P
[02:32] <xopher> allright
[02:32] <xopher> thanks
[02:32] <imbrandon> e.g if you took the area of croatia and put it arround me there would not be a MOTU in my area either
[02:32] <joejaxx> hello everyone
[02:33] <pygi> imbrandon, ah, that :P
[02:33] <imbrandon> there are lots in the US but not in the same ammount of area
[02:33] <imbrandon> :)
[02:33] <ajmitch> https://nm.debian.org/gpg_offer.php
[02:33] <pygi> imbrandon, ofcourse :P
[02:33] <ajmitch> http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=helsinki
[02:33] <eaglehawk> hello everybody
[02:34] <eaglehawk> someone would like to comment on: why alsa not updated to 1.0.13 in edgy yet
[02:34] <pygi> ajmitch, heh, just two debian devs
[02:34] <joejaxx> haha ajmitch no one in nj
[02:34] <ajmitch> 5 in dunedin, NZ
[02:34] <ajmitch> (DDs that I know of)
[02:35] <pygi> ajmitch, what does biglumber gives?
[02:36] <eaglehawk> someone would like to comment on: why alsa not updated to 1.0.13 in edgy yet
[02:36] <ajmitch> 2 people
[02:36] <ajmitch> eaglehawk: patience
[02:36] <eaglehawk> ok
[02:36] <pygi> ajmitch, it gives 5 people for "zageb" but I'm quite sure none of them is debian or ubuntu dev
[02:40] <Hobbsee> eaglehawk: in edgy?
[02:40] <eaglehawk> yes edgy
[02:40] <ajmitch> it will not be upgraded in edgy
[02:40] <ajmitch> edgy is released
[02:40] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hehe, thought you might have
[02:40] <joejaxx> has anyone tried cdebootstrap with ubuntu?
[02:40] <eaglehawk> why is so still so many sound issues with 1.0.11
[02:42] <eaglehawk> 1.0.13 might fix many laptop and front speaker and hda-intel issues?
[02:43] <minghua> eaglehawk: "might"? do you have concrete examples?
[02:43] <joejaxx> it seems like i am going to have to modify a debian upstream package and fork it because it does not work with ubuntu
[02:43] <Hobbsee> eaglehawk: it's also likely to break many more things.  edgy is released
[02:44] <eaglehawk> hobbsee: what can it break as 1.0.13 is the final release and it fixes many audio codecs as stated on the alsa website and bugtracker?
[02:56] <crimsun> bhale: yep, a bug (known: #21804 ), hopefully addressed this release
[03:02] <bddebian> minghua: Sorry was bathing the kids and putting them to bed.  Did you still need me to look at something?
[03:02] <minghua> bddebian: yes, ygraph
[03:02] <minghua> bddebian: you old merge had a lot of build-system diffs
[03:03] <minghua> bddebian: which I don't understand (and think they are just uncleaned autotools-generated junk)
[03:04] <bddebian> minghua: Yeah, should be fine
[03:05] <minghua> bddebian: I'll file sync request then, thanks
[03:05] <bddebian> NP
[03:30] <fernando> hi all
[03:41] <imbrandon> ello fernando
[03:42] <fernando> hi imbrandon
[03:42] <ajmitch> afternoon Burgundavia
[03:42] <LaserJock> re
[03:42] <Burgundavia> 'ello
[03:43] <lastnode> Burgundavia, got a sec for a pm?
[03:50] <imbrandon> ugh that does it
[03:50] <imbrandon> desktop is getting feisty
[03:50] <zul> muhahaha its alive
[03:50] <imbrandon> heya zul
[03:50] <zul> hey imbrandon
[03:53] <LaserJock> I can't figure out how to make a feisty chroot at the moment :/
[03:53] <zul> make an edgy chroot and upgrade?
[03:53] <pygi> LaserJock, hm, debootstrap ?
[03:53] <LaserJock> well the edgy dchroot is all weird
[03:54] <LaserJock> it depends on schroot
[03:54] <LaserJock> and then there is no /etc/dchroot.conf
[03:54] <LaserJock> so I started wondering what happened to it
[03:58] <LaserJock> so dchroot is dead or something
[03:59] <imbrandon> ajmitch, well i'm editing the sources.list, i think i'm gonna blow my uptime and dive right in
[04:00] <rmjb> hi, how can I get an updated source package into feisty?
[04:00] <StevenK> LaserJock: Yes, since schroot can do anything dchroot can.
[04:01] <rmjb> I tested dmraid rc13 on a feisty pbuilder and it worked... should I upload to revu or something?
[04:01] <StevenK> There's a document in schroot about migrating.
[04:01] <pygi> rmjb, what do you wanna update?
[04:01] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yeah, I'm doing it a few packages at a time right now
[04:01] <rmjb> pygi: dmraid
[04:01] <pygi> rmjb, that is where? universe?
[04:01] <rmjb> yeah
[04:02] <ajmitch> imbrandon: my uptime will disappear once I do some xen testing anyway
[04:02] <LaserJock> StevenK: hmm, ok
[04:02] <pygi> ah,k, revu is sane choice
[04:02] <imbrandon> 450 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:02] <imbrandon> Need to get 449MB of archives.
[04:02] <imbrandon> here we go
[04:02] <LaserJock> StevenK: schroot seems much more difficult to set up though
[04:02] <zakame> who pingedme earlier?
[04:03] <rmjb> pygi:  okay, I just checked, debian unstable is up to dmraid rc13... should I check MoM then?
[04:03] <pygi> rmjb, I think we'll auto-sync then or something
[04:04] <rmjb> okay, there's a conflict and I'll resolve it
[04:04] <LaserJock> zakame: we were talking about electricsheep
[04:06] <zakame> LaserJock: oh
[04:06] <zakame> LaserJock: what about it?
[04:06] <zakame> aside from my mistake? :P
[04:07] <LaserJock> that's all
[04:07] <zakame> ah hehe
[04:07] <LaserJock> well, your changelog should also list the specific changes you kept
[04:07] <LaserJock> so we can keep track better
[04:08] <zakame> should we really do that? after all there is the previous changelog entry; what I'd keep track of are the changes _not_ kept in the latest merge
[04:09] <LaserJock> yes, it is now policy
[04:09] <LaserJock> to list the Ubuntu changes you kept
[04:10] <zakame> hmm ok; where's the policy document?
[04:11] <LaserJock> not sure if we have a document for that
[04:11] <imbrandon> it was sent to the devel list
[04:11] <LaserJock> there was an email from Keybuk
[04:11] <LaserJock> we do need a doc for it, perhaps it's on the DevelopersResources page
[04:11] <rmjb> motus & hopefuls should also subscribe to the devel list?
[04:12] <zakame> waah, a policy only documented in email, what a shame :(
[04:12] <LaserJock> rmjb: of course :-)
[04:12] <imbrandon> rmjb, well a MOTU is a ubuntu-dev so i would say so
[04:12] <LaserJock> at least ubuntu-devel-announce
[04:12] <rmjb> any others? I'm only on motu
[04:12] <zakame> rmjb: your locoteam list, if it has one :)
[04:13] <imbrandon> rmjb, depends on the teams your part, of or intrested in
[04:13] <rmjb> for now only motu
[04:13] <rmjb> and I don't think there's more than 20 ubuntu users in Trinidad
[04:13] <imbrandon> well motu is a developer thus the name of the group is ubuntu-dev :)
[04:14] <rmjb> hmm should also join that channel too I guess
[04:15] <zakame> oh there we go, "Merge Policy Change"
[04:16] <zakame> where should I put that in the wiki? MOTU/Documentation/Merging/Policy?
[04:16] <LaserJock> you could put it there for the time being
[04:16] <LaserJock> I'll probably merge it in with some other policy stuff later
[04:16] <LaserJock> so it'll probably move around
[04:17] <zakame> ok, I'll do just that :D
[04:18] <imbrandon> MOTU/Processes/Merging ?
[04:19] <imbrandon> most of that type things are in the processes namespace
[04:22] <LaserJock> either way, I'll probably move stuff around anyway ;-)
[04:23] <imbrandon> i think after tonight i'll have uploaded more packages already to feisty than the whole edgy cycle
[04:23] <imbrandon> wow
[04:23] <ajmitch> zakame: generally current policy should be on DeveloperResources
[04:23] <zakame> LaserJock: ok, saved it under MOTU/merging/Policy
[04:24] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I find that hard to believe, just how many packages are you uploading tonight?
[04:24] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well, that's more of a Main thing isn't it?
[04:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: it documents it for the whole distro
[04:24] <zakame> ajmitch: too late, just ssaved it
[04:24] <imbrandon> ajmitch, i mean to feisty altogather, but after i finish tonight about 10, i forgot how many i did in the edgy cycle ( i'm sure its probably more though )
[04:25] <LaserJock> hmm, that reminds me
[04:25] <LaserJock> I'm supposed to be working on the Ubuntu Developer's Reference :(
[04:25] <zakame> ajmitch: well I'll just be leaving the moving-around to LaserJock then while merging ;)
[04:26] <ajmitch> imbrandon: not bad, you'll probably do about 20x more than me :)
[04:26] <imbrandon> ajmitch, nah i tend to do alot at the begning and end
[04:26] <imbrandon> not much in the middle
[04:26] <imbrandon> dunno why
[04:27] <ajmitch> you'll still do more
[04:27] <ajmitch> I'll just try & slay some dragons like FDS
[04:28] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:28] <imbrandon> here be dragons
[04:30] <imbrandon> hrm upgrade to feisty done, guess i should cross my fingers and reboot
[04:30] <LaserJock> reboot???
[04:30] <imbrandon> if i'm not back in a few, tell my mum i fought the dragons well
[04:30] <LaserJock> you're going to reboot a feisty machine?? ;-)
[04:30] <imbrandon> LaserJock, yea new kernel
[04:30] <LaserJock> should be fine, the forums say so anyway :-)
[04:30] <imbrandon> LOL
[04:31] <pygi> LaserJock, forums say a lot of things
[04:31] <imbrandon> well ..... i dunno what to say to that
[04:31] <imbrandon> except we have reasons to upgrade
[04:31] <imbrandon> :)
[04:49] <LaserJock> anybody got a feisty schroot set up?
[04:50] <ajmitch> will a xen domain do instead?
[04:50] <minghua> what is the difference between a feisty chroot and a feisty schroot?
[04:50] <LaserJock> nope, I haven't figured Xen out
[04:51] <LaserJock> schroot is an app to manage chroots, I think
[04:51] <minghua> that's my understanding as well
[04:52] <LaserJock> I'm trying to create a feisty chroot
[04:52] <minghua> so LaserJock did you mean "who had feisty schroot program installed and set up"?
[04:52] <LaserJock> yes
[04:52] <LaserJock> but I figured people would know what I meant ;-)
[04:53] <minghua> well you know I am not a native speaker :-P
[04:54] <imbrandon> LaserJock, why not just make an edgy one and upgrade it ?
[04:55] <imbrandon> btw the upgrade went smooth and i'm back
[04:55] <imbrandon> hopefully it will stay this way lol
[04:55] <LaserJock> imbrandon: no, no. The issue is not that it's feisty
[04:56] <LaserJock> it's that I can't figure out how to make a chroot with schroot
[04:56] <imbrandon> oh
[04:56] <LaserJock> as dchroot seems to be depreciated
[04:56] <imbrandon> should be the same, they are interchangeable afaik
[04:56] <imbrandon> i've only use dchroot
[04:56] <minghua> LaserJock: by "make chroot", did you mean "create a chroot environment"?
[04:56] <imbrandon> minghua, yes, that is what that means
[04:57] <minghua> because when I used dchroot, I created a chroot environment using debootstrap first, then just point dchroot to it
[04:57] <StevenK> LaserJock: schroot has a compatibility mode.
[04:57] <imbrandon> correct
[04:57] <LaserJock> ah, well that's true I suppose
[04:57] <LaserJock> but I'm stuck with how to use it
[04:57] <StevenK> LaserJock: It will read a dchroot.conf
[04:58] <LaserJock> maybe I should just give up on dchroot/schroot
[04:58] <LaserJock> I suppose I don't *have* to have it
[04:58] <imbrandon> LaserJock, nah
[04:58] <LaserJock> I've just always done it that way
[04:58] <StevenK> You could always just use 'sudo chroot' ?
[04:58] <imbrandon> LaserJock, did you read the wiki on debootstrap ?
[04:59] <LaserJock> imbrandon: of course
[05:00] <imbrandon> :)
[05:00] <LaserJock> sorry guys, I'm feeling stupid here
[05:01] <LaserJock> my main issue was there was no /etc/dchroot.conf
[05:01] <LaserJock> so I was a little confused about what to do
[05:03] <LaserJock> StevenK: so I should be able to just create a /etc/dchroot.conf and schroot will be ok with it
[05:05] <minghua> syn match debchangelogTarget    contained "\( stable\| frozen\| unstable\| testing-proposed-updates\| experimental\| sarge-backports\| sarge-volatile\| stable-security\| testing-security\)\+"
[05:05] <minghua> Hmm, this is going to be messy for ubuntu
[05:06] <minghua> (that's vim's debian/changelog distribution checking I mentioned earlier)
[05:09] <zakame> hmm making a chroot?
[05:26] <joejaxx> nice
[05:26] <joejaxx> i just tricked deboostrap
[05:26] <joejaxx> :D
[05:28] <joejaxx> :)
[05:28] <zakame> did it get angry?
[05:28] <joejaxx> now
[05:28] <joejaxx> nope
[05:29] <joejaxx> i am downloading a powerpc chroot to my 386 machine
[05:29] <minghua> wait until debootstrap realize she was tricked
[05:29] <LaserJock> bah, this scibuntu is frustrating :/
[05:29] <zakame> ah, --arch=ppc
[05:29] <joejaxx> nope
[05:29] <joejaxx> that does not work
[05:29] <joejaxx> LaserJock: scibuntu?
[05:30] <zakame> new tribe?
[05:30] <minghua> zakame: some script
[05:30] <imbrandon> joejaxx, good luck with getting anything to work that way :) you have to do some bin_fmt and qemu trickery , trust me i've spent the last 3 ro 4 months working on it
[05:30] <joejaxx> imbrandon: :D
[05:30] <joejaxx> W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/joejaxx/random/edit mount -t proc proc /proc
[05:31] <joejaxx> HAHA
[05:31] <zakame> imbrandon: there's been some easier(?) news about setting up mipsel and m68k buildds on i386 though
[05:31] <LaserJock> now they want it to be an "official" Ubuntu flavor
[05:31] <imbrandon> zakame, yea but its still with qemu and bin-fmt trickery
[05:31] <zakame> arcane, isn't it
[05:31] <minghua> LaserJock: people can always dream
[05:31] <joejaxx> LaserJock: are you serious?
[05:32] <LaserJock> joejaxx: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=298784
[05:33] <imbrandon> http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2006/11/google-sponsors-linuxbios-project.html#links
[05:37] <imbrandon> ajmitch, we really should have poked someone about speeding up pbuilder dependancy checking at MTV
[05:37] <LaserJock> imbrandon: do it!
[05:38] <crimsun> you're in the motu trinity, you should be able to fix it!
[05:38] <joejaxx> imbrandon: lol
[05:38] <zakame> wahahaha
[05:38] <imbrandon> crimsun, hehe
[05:38] <crimsun> and there's no such thing as pain, since you're in the motu trinity
[05:38] <crimsun> (oh you three are screwed now :-)
[05:38] <imbrandon> yea i can see it
[05:39] <imbrandon> s/it/that
[05:39] <imbrandon> :)
[05:39] <joejaxx> :P
[05:39] <crimsun> bddebian: yes you are
[05:39] <pygi> whats all this mess about? :P
[05:40] <bddebian> crimsun: What have I done lately?  Nothing :-(
[05:40] <crimsun> bddebian: fortunately you're a deity; you don't have to do anything :-p
[05:40] <bddebian> Uhm, yeah
[05:41] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah, God rested on the 7th day, you get to rest for a release or so ;-)
[05:41] <imbrandon> :)
[05:41] <imbrandon> i need some new tunes, i'm getting tired of this collection
[05:42] <zakame> old-time-radio
[05:42] <bddebian> LaserJock: I HOPE I'm not out through ALL of Feisty :-(
[05:42] <imbrandon> am radio
[05:43] <crimsun> eek, Herd 1 by the end of the month
[05:43] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:43] <imbrandon> crimsun, yea two weeks
[05:43] <zakame> hmm, The Herd
[05:43] <bddebian> crimsun: ?
[05:43] <LaserJock> I was kinda surprised
[05:43] <crimsun> [0]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[05:43] <imbrandon> i was too, so soon
[05:43] <bddebian> Oh, sheesh
[05:43] <LaserJock> I think it's a probably a good idea though
[05:43] <zakame> naah nothing the motu trinity can't handle ;)
[05:43] <LaserJock> get something people can start doing installation tests, etc on
[05:43] <crimsun> zakame: precisely
[05:44] <imbrandon> Rebuild Test, Upgrade Testing begins
[05:44] <joejaxx> yeah i do not like edgy :(
[05:44] <imbrandon> ^^ glad to see some upgrad testing this time
[05:44] <joejaxx>  4605 joejaxx   25   0 88088  34m  19m R 99.0  2.7 343:24.16 nautilus
[05:45] <joejaxx> 99% cpu
[05:45] <joejaxx> that is ridiculous
[05:45] <zakame> LaserJock: main merges require debdiffs from a MOTU right?
[05:45] <imbrandon> LaserJock, you have a room full of apples and no itunes library ? heh
[05:45] <LaserJock> imbrandon: sadly no
[05:46] <LaserJock> imbrandon: we are scientists, music would be too ... normal
[05:46] <imbrandon> zakame, huh? main merges only require a main sponsor to upload them, anyone can make one, even a non-MOTU
[05:46] <imbrandon> LaserJock, hahaha right on
[05:47] <LaserJock> actually, there's nothing quite as fun as the lasers running at 10Hz with the big speakers pumping out Credence Clearwater Revival
[05:47] <zakame> imbrandon: just checking, thanks
[05:47] <joejaxx> and it is still taking up over 90% cpu
[05:47] <imbrandon> ( but its standard proc to poke the last person to touch the package before starting on it )
[05:49] <zakame> imbrandon: hmm so something like debian's RFS system right?
[05:50] <imbrandon> sorta i guess, never thoguht abotu it like that
[05:50] <imbrandon> but yea
[05:50] <LaserJock> schroot hates me :(
[05:51] <LaserJock> I can't get it to take dchroot.conf
[05:51] <LaserJock> and it doesn't like my attempt at a schroot.conf
[05:51] <LaserJock> go figure
[05:52] <zakame> schroot: do not want
[05:53] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe it's ok :/
[05:53] <imbrandon> nano bip/bip.conf
[05:53] <imbrandon> ger
[05:56] <nixternal> hey, with multiple pbuilders, using the latest debootstrap is ok?
[05:57] <imbrandon> nixternal, i am with no issues, yes, but i'm not a pbuilder expert
[05:57] <nixternal> ok, i was guessing it was ok, otherwise you wouldn't be able to do multiple pbuilders
[05:57] <crimsun> "latest" being...?
[05:57] <crimsun> and yes, it appears to be fine here
[05:57] <nixternal> well, im actually using the one from the edgy repos
[05:58] <crimsun> it->edgy
[05:58] <zakame> I have multiple dchroots with a pbuilder in each of them
[05:58] <LaserJock> hmm, is it ok bindmount /tmp?
[05:58] <crimsun> carefully.
[05:59] <zakame> yeah, no probs so far
[05:59] <imbrandon> i dunno about temp but watch bindmouting somthing under your pbuolder root like /var/cache/pbuilder/edgy/result or similar
[06:00] <imbrandon> that can get messy
[06:00] <zakame> right
[06:01] <zakame> brb, good eats
[06:01] <imbrandon> the only think i auto bindmount is ccache dir, and i manualy bindmoutn my /home so i can use files when i pbuilder login
[06:02] <zakame> circle-jerk-bindmount
[06:02] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I'm talking about bindmounting in a chroot
[06:03] <LaserJock> not a pbuilder
[06:03] <minghua> IIRC pbuilder man page advise against bindmounting /var/cache/apt/archives/
[06:03] <imbrandon> well a pbuilder is essentialy a chroot that gets reset at logout
[06:03] <imbrandon> so alot of the same apply
[06:03] <LaserJock> I know
[06:04] <LaserJock> but I'm not bindmounting something under my pbuilder root is what I'm saying
[06:04] <LaserJock> I'd much rather use a pbuilder for this :/
[06:05] <LaserJock> maybe I should look into some hooks
[06:05] <imbrandon> :)
[06:06] <LaserJock> all I want to do is to be able to test installs
[06:07] <imbrandon> LaserJock, i have a hook already made for that
[06:08] <LaserJock> imbrandon: hmm
[06:08] <imbrandon> infact in test upgrades, , clean installs, removes and purges
[06:08] <crimsun> 89dpkg-i
[06:08] <LaserJock> oh, I know why I didn't want that
[06:08] <LaserJock> I want to be able to also test functionality
[06:08] <LaserJock> so for an app that uses X I'm not sure how to run it from within a pbuilder
[06:09] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:10] <crimsun> I use a separate chroot for that
[06:10] <LaserJock> imbrandon: where are the hooks stored?
[06:10] <LaserJock> crimsun: yeah, that's what I was going to do, but I'd like to avoid it if I can
[06:10] <imbrandon> on horatio? /media/devel/edgy/hooks
[06:10] <LaserJock> I don't have a ton of space for chroots
[06:10] <minghua> LaserJock: you most likely do NOT want to bind mount /tmp if you want to test X apps in the chroot
[06:11] <minghua> or be CAREFUL, as crimsun said
[06:12] <LaserJock> maybe I should just find a machine to upgrade to feisty :/
[06:13] <imbrandon> LaserJock, leslie posted the video of marks speech on the google code blog
[06:13] <imbrandon> were you still there when he gave it ?
[06:13] <LaserJock> his speech on what?
[06:13] <LaserJock> probably not I'm guessing
[06:13] <imbrandon> when all the google people came from the other building and mark explaind about ubutnu direction
[06:14] <LaserJock> ah, no
[06:14] <imbrandon> it was about an hour speach i think on thursday
[06:14] <imbrandon> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2728972720932273543&q=type%3Agoogle+engEDU   is the direct link
[06:15] <imbrandon> and leslie's post http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2006/11/ubuntu-developer-summit-at-google.html
[06:15] <imbrandon> i might blog about it for planet , as i dont think most read the google code blog
[06:17] <LaserJock> darn it, stupid flash 9
[06:18] <imbrandon> you can download the avi ( link on the right )
[06:18] <imbrandon> if you dont have flash or its broke
[06:18] <LaserJock> I'm downloading it
[06:19] <LaserJock> Flash 9 often seems to play only the first like 30 s or so
[06:20] <imbrandon> hrm i just played about the first 10 minutes of it, but then i stoped it as i seen it live
[06:20] <imbrandon> soooo
[06:20] <imbrandon> lol
[06:20] <LaserJock> oh wow, I just logged into my first sparc machine
[06:20] <imbrandon> haha nice
[06:20] <imbrandon> ubuntu ?
[06:21] <imbrandon> or solaris
[06:21] <LaserJock> SunOS twilight 5.10 Generic_118833-22 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V240
[06:21] <LaserJock> is that solaris?
[06:21] <imbrandon> yes
[06:22] <LaserJock> first time I've seen solaris too
[06:22] <minghua> LaserJock: I can't believe it.  You've been in US university all these years and never used a Sun machine?
[06:22] <imbrandon> heh its unixy you should be at home, only minor diffrences, well major ones , but the basics are the same
[06:22] <LaserJock> minghua: no
[06:22] <LaserJock> minghua: we use mostly dells :-)
[06:23] <minghua> even the student PC labs here at RIce used to run Solaris when I came here
[06:23] <imbrandon> depending on the sysadmin most solaris boxes have gnu tools too sooo
[06:24] <rvalles> 06:23:35 <   minghua> even the student PC labs here at RIce used to run Solaris when I came here
[06:24] <LaserJock> some groups have ancient SGI machines
[06:24] <rvalles> in fib (www.fib.upc.edu) we have some solaris servers and tons of sunray terminals
[06:24] <LaserJock> but even our computational clusters are AMD machines
[06:25] <imbrandon> well the new sun's are amd's too :)
[06:25] <rvalles> also, on the computers' architecture department underground level, there are lots of racks which use all sort of architectures
[06:25] <imbrandon> opterons
[06:25] <nixternal> W: /home/nixternal/.pbuilderrc does not exist   <-- is this major?  i have a pbuilderrc in pbuilder/feisty/
[06:25] <LaserJock> well, like AMD 1800+
[06:25] <rvalles> (which is kinda cool)
[06:25] <LaserJock> nixternal: no problem
[06:25] <nixternal> cool
[06:25] <imbrandon> nixternal, no thats normal, you can "touch ~/.pbuilderrc" if it bugs you
[06:25] <nixternal> roger that
[06:26] <LaserJock> well, the sparc machine I'm on is the new uni mail server
[06:26] <LaserJock> so I can't have any fun on it ;-)
[06:26] <imbrandon> lol
[06:26] <imbrandon> they have a single box mail server setup? wowo
[06:27] <LaserJock> imbrandon: not sure, it's a single hostname
[06:27] <imbrandon> ahh well that makes more sense :)
[06:27] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:27] <LaserJock> I now have 3 uni mail accounts
[06:28] <imbrandon> probably a small cluster behind heartbeat or roudrobin dns setup or hell there are tons of ways to setup redundant mail services
[06:28] <imbrandon> but rarely on a single box unless your like me and only have 3 mail accounts on it and its a home server
[06:28] <ajmitch> ooh, my panel has had most of its applets go away
[06:28] <imbrandon> :)
[06:28] <ajmitch> no real surprise there
[06:28] <minghua> LaserJock: is the hostname twilight.xxx...?
[06:28] <imbrandon> ajmitch, feisty ?
[06:28] <LaserJock> minghua: mhm
[06:29] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yeah, upgraded this afternoon
[06:29] <ajmitch> haven't logged out yet
[06:29] <imbrandon> yea i just did, everything seems smooth here, suprised me
[06:29] <LaserJock> well, they haven't broken anything yet have they?
[06:29] <imbrandon> but theres another kde update sitting on the buildd's waiting for me
[06:29] <imbrandon> heh
[06:29] <ajmitch> LaserJock: of course not
[06:29] <ajmitch> the fun begins next week
[06:29] <imbrandon> LaserJock, yea thats next week
[06:29] <LaserJock> yeah, that's what I told the forums
[06:30] <LaserJock> they were like "Feisty is pretty solid, you should upgrade"
[06:30] <imbrandon> LOL
[06:30] <ajmitch> don't get me started on the forums...
[06:30] <ajmitch> I think the least stable time is around feature freeze
[06:30] <imbrandon> i cant wait for the furms BoF recording to go public and everyone hears how ryan talked to mark and jane in the BoF
[06:30] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:31] <LaserJock> imbrandon: that bad?
[06:31] <imbrandon> LaserJock, well jane cursed and mark left the room temporarly
[06:31] <imbrandon> if that says much
[06:31] <ajmitch> imbrandon: ouch
[06:32] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I didn't hear any of that
[06:32] <Lathiat> whoah
[06:32] <LaserJock> imbrandon: well, that's actually not as bad as I thought
[06:32] <imbrandon> it all worked out in the end but it was an interesting ride
[06:32] <Lathiat> which ryan?
[06:32] <imbrandon> Lathiat, the fourm founder
[06:32] <Lathiat> righto
[06:33] <crimsun> that just makes me love the forum even more.
[06:33] <crimsun> with a brick.
[06:33] <ajmitch> and he got what he wanted, too
[06:33] <LaserJock> yeah, I was reading the spec
[06:33] <imbrandon> for about 10 minutes me and jono are sitting in the back of the room thinking about how long it would be before we started forums.ubuntu.com , but then it calmed down and real work got done
[06:33] <ajmitch> the spec is full of "this isn't an attack"
[06:34] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea , lol, thats the lovely part
[06:34] <LaserJock> with "Ryan must have full control" mixed in
[06:34] <ajmitch> there's a lot of compromise here
[06:34] <ajmitch> in 1 direction
[06:34] <imbrandon> basicly he dident want to give control to the CC but wanted it to be official etc etc etc, ego's were flying
[06:35] <ajmitch> ie, "make me important"
[06:35] <imbrandon> and the funny part was like 3 or 4 members from the CC were in the room ( mako mark elmo , ummmmm )
[06:35] <ajmitch> I'm glad I was in another bof
[06:35] <LaserJock> well, he fired half the forum staff without any explanation to the community
[06:36] <imbrandon> anyhow it was by far the most "interesting" BoF i atteneded to say the leaste
[06:36] <LaserJock> apparently he just had an issue with them
[06:36] <ajmitch> why is it just about this 1 guy?
[06:36] <imbrandon> even the accelerated X and composite-by-default were more sane
[06:36] <LaserJock> because he is the forum sabdfl
[06:36] <LaserJock> it's his show
[06:36] <imbrandon> LaserJock, not anymore
[06:36] <ajmitch> he was just in the right place to get people together
[06:37] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I'm not so sure, I'm still skeptical
[06:37] <imbrandon> canonical owns the domain and stuff now and its under the control of the CC , like i said it all worked out in the end , but it was a wild ride
[06:37] <LaserJock> I think in the end it'll fork
[06:37] <imbrandon> its just a matter of conversion etc now
[06:37] <LaserJock> I just don't seem him going along with it too much
[06:37] <imbrandon> *hopes*
[06:38] <imbrandon> well at this point all he can do is turn them off, and within minutes a backup will be restored and his ip banned and he will have to go infront of the CC to explain why
[06:38] <nixternal> imbrandon: that merge, would this be the correct version -> kvirc (2:3.2.4-6ubuntu1) feisty; urgency=low
[06:38] <ajmitch> imbrandon: he gave up the domain?
[06:38] <nixternal> it is 2:3.2.4-6 from unstable
[06:39] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea he pretty much had to as he has been accepting money for it
[06:39] <ajmitch> hehe
[06:39] <imbrandon> from canonical
[06:39] <crimsun> "As forums founder, Ryan Troy will be assigned lifetime membership dependent on his continued desire to serve on the council and continued compliance with the Ubuntu Code of Conduct and LeadershipCodeofConduct"
[06:39] <ajmitch> that's the best piece of news I've heard
[06:39] <ajmitch> crimsun: the condition there is good
[06:39] <ajmitch> if it's enough
[06:39] <imbrandon> crimsun, yea , it means if he followes the CoC he is still on the forums council that awnsers to the CC
[06:40] <zakame> back, what's the talk now?
[06:40] <imbrandon> eg terms but no term limmits
[06:40] <crimsun> it's not his baby; he needs to be subject to the same conditions as everyone else
[06:41] <ajmitch> imbrandon: unlike every other council
[06:41] <ajmitch> zakame: forums governance
[06:41] <ajmitch> crimsun: the problem is that he's likely to take his toys & go home
[06:41] <ajmitch> imbrandon: did he agree to give up the vbulletin license as well?
[06:41] <minghua> pity it's not easy to have something like "svn annotate" on wiki, so that I can see which part is written by whom
[06:41] <imbrandon> afik yes, not 100% sure
[06:42] <imbrandon> minghua, mark wrote that bit that crimsun posted, i was sitting there when it was written
[06:42] <zakame> ajmitch: right, reads the backlog
[06:42] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[06:42] <imbrandon> gnight bddebian
[06:43] <zakame> gn8 bddebian
[06:43] <LaserJock> cya bddebian
[06:43] <ajmitch> night bddebian
[06:43] <zakame> gn8 god of motu
[06:43] <minghua> I am more interested in who wrote "The forums are one of the largest and smoothest running parts of the Ubuntu community", but no big deal
[06:43] <imbrandon> i just went to be a fly on the wall in those sessions
[06:43] <bddebian> and pokes zakame in the eye
[06:43] <minghua> hello bddebian
[06:43] <bddebian> :-)
[06:43] <zakame> XD
[06:43] <ajmitch> minghua: largest, yes
[06:43] <LaserJock> minghua: hehe, I would imagine that was ubuntu_demon or whatever his name is
[06:43] <Lathiat> minghua: i'd dare say its a "big part" of the user side of the community
[06:43] <zakame> who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?
[06:43] <Lathiat> minghua: not sure whether its smooth or not tho ;)
[06:43] <zakame> the sabdfl knows!
[06:44] <crimsun> thankfully even the sabdfl is subject to baby jesus
[06:44] <zakame> right
[06:44] <minghua> Lathiat: exactly, if measured by "number of people", then yes, if measured by "contribution and influence"...
[06:45] <minghua> especially _positive_ influence at that :-P
[06:45] <zakame> hmm revive usenet then
[06:45] <Lathiat> minghua: i still think it has a lot of "influence"
[06:45] <Lathiat> on the user side of the community
[06:45] <zakame> and let the chaos be contained there :P
[06:45] <LaserJock> it does have a ton of influence on the user side
[06:46] <elkbuntu> i specifically avoided the forum sessions... and after seeing the expressions after the first bof, i was glad :
[06:47] <LaserJock> well, I wonder how many Ubuntu members they're going to make in the first month
[06:47] <minghua> imbrandon: speaking of forum, do they still run ads there?
[06:47] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: a wise choice
[06:47] <imbrandon> minghua,  i have no idea, i talked with jane breifly about it, i will email her next week again if they are still there
[06:47] <ajmitch> LaserJock: 100+? :)
[06:48] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, i was forewarned from many a source :)
[06:48] <LaserJock> there was that interesting conversation about the TB/CC voting
[06:48] <ajmitch> minghua: I haven't seen any lately, maybe my mental filter works too well
[06:49] <LaserJock> I don't see any
[06:49] <imbrandon> are you logged in?
[06:49] <imbrandon> you only see them if you are a guest
[06:50] <imbrandon> ( e.g i never goto them so i'm always a guest )
[06:50] <LaserJock> ohhh
[06:50] <Lathiat> im not logged in and i cant see them
[06:51] <LaserJock> still not seeing any
[06:52] <elkbuntu> Lathiat, if we be very quiet, they may implode each other
[06:52] <minghua> I am a guest and I don't see any ads now, but no-script plugin still shows scripts from google-analytics.com
[06:53] <Lathiat> google analystics isnt so bad, tho
[06:53] <imbrandon> they are still there, see screen shot http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss116.png
[06:54] <imbrandon> lol
[06:54] <LaserJock> imbrandon: dude I was just on that thread and I don't think I saw them
[06:54] <imbrandon> you were probably logged in
[06:54] <Lathiat> ha ha http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=296178
[06:54] <Lathiat> hrm im definitely not seeing any
[06:54] <Lathiat> and im not logged in
[06:54] <Lathiat> not sure if i even have an account
[06:55] <Lathiat> hrm ok
[06:55] <Lathiat> theeres linsk on that page
[06:55] <Lathiat> is taht in that guys signature or something? ;p
[06:55] <imbrandon> heh well i dident doctor the screenshot in that little ammount of time :)
[06:55] <imbrandon> no thats on every thread, 2 times per page
[06:55] <Lathiat> if i goto that threat they are there
[06:56] <Lathiat> "The way I see it if you can get put X into the initrd and boot it directly with the kernel then X on its own doesnt need anything running but the kernel."
[06:56] <LaserJock> ahhh, now I see it
[06:56] <LaserJock> sneaky buggers
[06:56] <elkbuntu> im yet to see one, and im logged out...
[06:57] <Lathiat> i saw them on that page, but not others...
[06:58] <imbrandon> hrm i wonder if they are in that guys sig, if so he should be banned perminately from the forums
[06:58] <minghua> I see one now, too
[06:58] <LaserJock> imbrandon: geeze dude, on enough channels ;-)
[06:58] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that's nothing :)
[06:58] <imbrandon> hahah LaserJock i just restarted irc a few hours ago, i'm normaly in more
[06:58] <elkbuntu> haha. idlerpg, them was the days :
[06:59] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't do more then ~10
[06:59] <imbrandon> i'm normaly after about a week of running irc in about 75
[06:59] <imbrandon> on 3 or 4 networks
[07:00] <Lathiat> ozorg, gimpnet, efnet, scifi-fans, austnet, freenode, irc.perl.org, enterthegame, and 3 private ones
[07:00] <LaserJock> wow
[07:00] <LaserJock> I *just* started getting on oftc
[07:01] <LaserJock> I've only been on freenode
[07:01] <imbrandon> well 2 or 3 of the chans i'm in are invite only , most all are public
[07:01] <minghua> these ads are pretty sneaky
[07:01] <Lathiat> having closed all my windows im on 31 channels atm
[07:01] <imbrandon> minghua, yea they dont always showup
[07:01] <Lathiat> s/windows/private message windows
[07:01] <minghua> it seems the probability is pretty low
[07:01] <LaserJock> ok people, I'm off to bed
[07:01] <imbrandon> gnight
[07:02] <imbrandon> still not right considering everything is paid for by canonical ( even some of his time iirc )
[07:03] <Lathiat> if thats the case then i agree they should be removed
[07:03] <Lathiat> if he was running it off his own steam i wouldnt mind so much
[07:03] <Lathiat> i dont think i've ever clicked a google ad witha ny serious intent in my life
[07:03] <Lathiat> or any other ad
[07:03] <Lathiat> i clicked a couple to see what they were
[07:03] <Lathiat> like one that said "openoffice too slow, abiword missing all the features?"
[07:04] <imbrandon> definately the domain and hosting ( even backdated pre-official ) is paid for by canonical, but i'm about 80% sure his time is to to a lesser extent
[07:04] <imbrandon> that came up in the BoF
[07:04] <zakame> hmm a cat (to replace) is fine too
[07:05] <ajmitch> imbrandon: and he still demands everything?
[07:05] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yup
[07:05] <ajmitch> wow
[07:06] <zakame> now that rather spoils the broth
[07:06] <imbrandon> ajmitch, it was said in the BoF ( the only reason i know this 100% is because it came from janes lips ) that they have ben comensating the hosting and domain for 2 years
[07:06] <elkbuntu> there are people like that in the world, unfortunately
[07:06] <imbrandon> compen....
[07:06] <imbrandon> blah
[07:06] <zakame> gomen
[07:07] <Lathiat> i still think this GL usplash sounds like a good idea ;)
[07:07] <imbrandon> like i said, i cant eait for some of these recordings to be "cleaned" up as NG said and released
[07:07] <imbrandon> wait*
[07:08] <imbrandon> mostly just for the forum info
[07:08] <imbrandon> :)
[07:08] <zakame> hehehe, can't eat
[07:08] <minghua> nah.  after reading the whole wiki page I am still not convinced the forum thing will work out eventually
[07:09] <nixternal> imbrandon: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3434
[07:09] <elkbuntu> minghua, blood will be drawn before it is over. i am sure of it.
[07:09] <imbrandon> nixternal, kk
[07:09] <nixternal> can't test build as the kdelibs4 hasn't been merged by jr yet
[07:10] <minghua> elkbuntu: noted.  I think I'll avoid ubuntu gatherings until it's over then :-P
[07:10] <imbrandon> nixternal, you mean 3435 ?
[07:10] <elkbuntu> minghua, no need to avoid ubuntu gatherings, just watch the forum fun from afar, preferably with popcorn
[07:10] <zakame> hmm speaking of gatherings ubuntu-ph will have its release party tonight ;)
[07:11] <imbrandon> minghua, well that was a very small part of the UDS, the rest was very productive :)
[07:12] <minghua> yeah, I was just kidding.  I really wanted to go to Mt. View, as it doesn't come to US often
[07:18] <nixternal> ya imbrandon, sorry about that
[07:35] <Hobbsee> hey all
[07:35] <imbrandon> ello
[07:35] <elkbuntu> hi Hobbsee!
[07:36] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, you fixed universe yet? :)
[07:36] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu!!!!
[07:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nope, i've been doing an exam
[07:36] <imbrandon> :/
[07:36] <zakame> yo Hobbsee
[07:37] <Hobbsee> hey zakame
[07:37] <zakame> eerm KFC beat us all
[07:38] <zakame> Hobbsee: how's your exam?
[07:38] <imbrandon> mmmm KFC sounds good
[07:38] <imbrandon> to bad its closed right now
[07:38] <Hobbsee> zakame: wasnt too bad.  boring, and some stuff that i'd never seen before, which i had no chance of rubbishing :P
[07:39] <zakame> imbrandon: KFC's just right down our offic... and now, in space
[07:39] <imbrandon> ?
[07:40] <zakame> wellm, the company logo at least
[07:40] <zakame> see /.
[07:41] <imbrandon> ahh yea i seen that on the news
[07:41] <imbrandon> makes me want some chicken :)
[07:41] <zakame> hehe
[07:41] <zakame> much of my last week were chicken dinners
[08:11] <macogw> hey
[08:12] <zakame> yo macogw
[08:12] <macogw> if i wanna help, do i talk to you guys?
[08:13] <macogw> my programming's not on par to do any real development (yet...must learn a more useful language than java)
[08:14] <zakame> sure, you want to help? :)
[08:14] <macogw> yeah
[08:18] <macogw> idk how to help though
[08:18] <zakame> yo've seen the links on /topic?
[08:19] <macogw> i looked at them during edgy-devel-time, but not in a while
[08:20] <Mez> macogw, it's a good place to start
[08:20] <zakame> you can lookinto them now if you want to do some packaging work :)
[08:20] <macogw> ok
[08:20] <zakame> you can also help greatly by hooking up with the bugsquad and help in triaging bugs
[08:21] <macogw> have you seen getdeb.net (i think?)
[08:21] <macogw> there are .deb's for things not in the repositories
[08:21] <macogw> avoiding building from source == always good
[08:22] <imbrandon> macogw: not really, i would rather see someone build from source than use a deb from a shady unknown person/place
[08:22] <zakame> building from source is essential if you want to get that particular package in the archive
[08:22] <Hobbsee> and then stick the decent source in the repos
[08:23] <zakame> as a matter of fact, the only way you can upload to the ubuntu archive is by source
[08:25] <imbrandon> hrm , see yall after bit, i'm out for a while
[08:26] <imbrandon> would be nice if they ( getdeb.net ) followed the GPL and provided the source packages also
[08:26] <imbrandon> someone might wanna clue them in
[08:32] <macogw> well that attempt at using compiz failed
[08:33] <macogw> miserably
[08:34] <Mez> macogw,Hmm... I should talk to the getdeb.net people... they're just wasting time... have they not heard about backports?
[08:40] <macogw> one of my friends who works on ubuntu-guide showed me that site when i was like "bah i dont want to install ____ from source. pain in the ass" (i think it was inkscape..)
[08:40] <macogw> by the way, there's no inkscape package in the edgy repos
[08:40] <macogw> er...
[08:40] <macogw> i'm confused
[08:40] <macogw> when i tried to apt-get it the other night it wouldnt work and i had to hunt it and dependencies down, but now it shows in synaptic.  either it's only showing because it's installed or i'm insane.
[08:41] <macogw> it said it was a missing package that others referenced but wasnt there (or something to that effect)
[08:41] <zakame> have you tried `apt-get -f install`?
[08:43] <imbrandon> not only is inkscape in the repo's its in main
[08:43] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~/devel/amarok$ apt-cache madison inkscape
[08:43] <imbrandon>   inkscape | 0.44-1ubuntu2 | http://192.168.1.5 feisty/main Packages
[08:43] <imbrandon>   inkscape | 0.44-1ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages
[08:43] <imbrandon> macogw, ^^
[08:44] <macogw> i have it installed now cuz i downloaded the package elsewhere
[08:44] <macogw> i dont know why synaptic and apt-get both said it doesnt exist though
[08:45] <macogw> sometimes my computer makes NO SENSE
[08:45] <macogw> like when it pretends my sound card and wireless card don't exist
[08:46] <zakame> computer haet macogw :(
[08:47] <macogw> if it's not nice i'm gonna go all "bah! no more comp sci major!" again...and this time i'll swear off software and keep chugging on hardware (last time i accidentally wiped a hdd, i swore off hardware....it lasted about 3 or 4 years)
[08:48] <imbrandon> onces not much use without the other
[08:48] <macogw> i mean tinkering
[08:48] <macogw> like i wouldnt tinker with hardware for a few years after i messed up
[08:49] <imbrandon> ahh well if you are tinkering with software then breakage shouldnt frustrate you , its a normal thing while tinkering :)
[08:49] <macogw> and if my computer drives me insane, it'll be software tinkering that gets ditched
[08:49] <macogw> if i'm tinkering and it breaks, ok fine, my fault
[08:49] <macogw> when things randomly quit working....NOT COOL
[08:50] <macogw> and why why why does autohide on panels in edgy not work?
[08:50] <imbrandon> well people rarely realize how every piece of software can potentialy affect unrelated software, thus it looks random but rarely is
[08:50] <macogw> yeah i suppose
[08:51] <macogw> i think nautilus is still a bit borked from the edgy upgrade.  like i said, panels don't autohide, and soundjuicer crashes when i open it....at least i can browse through folders (graphically) now though (after a few hours of tinkering post-upgrade)
[08:52] <imbrandon> :)
[08:53] <macogw> and there have been like 5000 "this bug has been marked as a duplicate of that one" for all those crashy things...still waiting for the fix
[09:01] <macogw> i'm confused
[09:02] <Hobbsee> netsplit
[09:02] <Hobbsee> different server to usual, too
[09:04] <StevenK> But Freenode doesn't say which two split...
[09:04] <Hobbsee> * has left this server (pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net).
[09:04] <macogw> alright ive been up for 43 hours, so i'm going to sleep
[09:04] <macogw> good night
[09:04] <Hobbsee> yes, just one of them
[09:19] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, * has left this server (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). that just tells you the server your connected to
[09:20] <imbrandon> e.g. i'm on sterling
[09:20] <Hobbsee> good point
[09:20] <imbrandon> :)
[09:27] <imbrandon> gnight all
[09:28] <zakame> gnught imbrandon
[09:29] <ivoks> urgh...
[09:29] <ivoks> how to make life miserable
[09:29] <ivoks> try working with asterisk source :)
[09:30] <ivoks> (in debian)
[10:12] <crimsun> hmph, need to merge alsa-lib 1.0.13-1ubuntu1 to push the pulseaudio stuff out of depwait
[10:13] <crimsun> guess that means I need to add a pulse directive to asoundconf(1), too, after alsa-plugins 1.0.13-3 builds successfully
[10:18] <zakame> or another warp drive
[10:19] <crimsun> kinda unwieldy, though :-)
[10:38] <zakame> hmm what's the deal with mailping, how do I resolve its versioning?
[10:39] <zakame> I see the last merge had 0.0.4ubuntu2, while debian has 0.0.4-0.1 already
[10:39] <ivoks> that's wrong
[10:39] <crimsun> punch the last person in the gut
[10:39] <ivoks> right :)
[10:40] <ivoks> crimsun: hobbse? :)
[10:40] <crimsun> you need to hand-merge 0.0.4-0.1's changes into 0.0.4ubuntu3
[10:40] <crimsun> Changed-By: Pierre Habouzit <madcoder@debian.org>
[10:40] <Fujitsu> Or was it three...
[10:40] <ivoks> mailping (0.0.4ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low
[10:40] <ivoks> -- Sarah Hobbs <hobbsee@ubuntu.com>  Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:31:53 +1000
[10:41] <Fujitsu> Unfortunately, that's what NMUing of native packages does :(
[10:41] <crimsun> ivoks: native, so sarah's correct
[10:41] <StevenK> NMU'ing native packages is a little ... odd.
[10:41] <ivoks> oooooh
[10:41] <ivoks> no
[10:41] <ivoks> sorry sarah
[10:41] <Fujitsu> StevenK: s/odd/really really wrong and bad/, you mean?
[10:41] <zakame> right, an NMU of a native package
[10:42] <zakame> not time dates
[10:42] <zakame> *note the dates
[10:42] <StevenK> I don't think Policy says anything about it, so you can't beat people.
[10:43] <Fujitsu> StevenK: It does, I saw it a couple of days back...
[10:43] <Fujitsu> ANd it says to add -0.1 :(
[10:43] <StevenK> And it neatly screws us up, which is a bonus for some DDs.
[10:44] <Fujitsu> `If there is no debian-revision component in the version number then one should be created, starting at `0.1'.'
[10:44] <StevenK> Which section is this?
[10:44] <Fujitsu> (in the Debian Developer's Reference(tm), not the policy itself)
[10:44] <StevenK> Oh. You can't belt people with the devref.
[10:44] <Fujitsu> Oh, good.
[10:45] <StevenK> They are "best practises", not Policy.
[10:45] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[10:45] <Fujitsu> And yes, they do very neatly completely screw us up... And some DDs will love that
[10:45] <zakame> mindi's better, if not for the b-d change its a mighty fine sync
[10:45] <Fujitsu> *!
[11:00] <TheMuso> Actually...
[11:00] <TheMuso> Thats a sync
[11:02] <TheMuso> Sync policy is still the same? Just want to be sure.
[11:03] <TheMuso> Wow. Are there enough tags?
[11:04] <crimsun> TheMuso: same as for Edgy after Scott's mail to -announce
[11:04] <TheMuso> crimsun: Thought so.
[11:06] <TheMuso> hmmm. Is it wise to not depend on a transitional package?
[11:07] <TheMuso> Hobbsee!!!
[11:07] <TheMuso> Howd the exams go?
[11:07] <crimsun> I generally don't generate a delta unless absolutely necessary
[11:08] <TheMuso> crimsun: By delta I am guessing you mean some kind of change...
[11:08] <crimsun> right, an adjustment to debian/control given your question
[11:08] <TheMuso> Right.
[11:09] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso!  wasnt too bad
[11:09] <TheMuso> Good to hear.
[11:09] <TheMuso> crimsun: Right. Because thats what the difference is between a sync and a merge for alsaplayer. The merge changes a dependancy to depend on an actual library, whereas the debian package uses a transitional package.
[11:10] <TheMuso> So thats why I ask.
[11:11] <crimsun> if it builds currently with the sync, I'd sync
[11:11] <TheMuso> Pretty sure that it does, but just checking again for good measure.
[12:47] <xopher> Any MOTUs from Finland available? Id need to get a gpg-key signed.
[12:48] <bhale> there are some DD's there
[12:49] <xopher> DD?
[12:49] <xopher> debian devs?
[12:49] <bhale> yes
[12:49] <xopher> ok. What
[12:50] <xopher> eh, would be the easiest way to get in contact with them
[12:50] <bhale> beats me
[12:51] <bhale> Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
[12:51] <bhale> this guy is there i believe
[12:51] <bhale> and a few at nokia like Daniel Stone in Hellsinki
[12:52] <xopher> ok, thanks a lot
[12:53] <giskard> hello bhale
[12:55] <xopher> You'd think it'd be easy to find someone. This Kaijanaho apparently lives ~500km away.. 
[01:09] <fernando> moin all
[01:24] <xerxas> there's no lbxproxy in edgy ?
[01:49] <zul> hey
[01:53] <sivang> hi zul
[01:53] <sivang> zul: how was mtv?
[01:54] <zul> sivang: pretty cool actually lots of people there
[02:06] <sivang> zul: you haven't stayed for the second week ?
[02:06] <zul> sivang: nope i dont work for canonical
[02:07] <sivang> ah, it's only for employees?
[02:07] <zul> yep
[02:08] <Q-FUNK> sivang: Fred got your mail. he also got flooded with hebrew messages that appear to have legitimate questions about the linutop, except that he doesn't read hebrew...
[02:15] <sivang> Q-FUNK: interesting, I can help you guys on the trnaslation front, have him forward all the mails to me and I can send you the questions in englishm you answer back, and I will asnwer them in hebrew ;)
[02:15] <sivang> Q-FUNK: I told you .IL could be a great market for this :p
[02:15] <Q-FUNK> ;)
[02:16] <sivang> Q-FUNK: seriously, how big is the volume of the messages?
[02:17] <Q-FUNK> I think that someone blogged us in .il a few days ago.  for some reason, someone must have gotten the impression that we understand hebrew, as a result.
[02:19] <sivang> Q-FUNK: do you know who was that guy who blogged you?
[02:20] <giskard> hello Simon80
[02:20] <giskard> sivang, *
[02:20] <sivang> Q-FUNK: but do forward the emails to me, I am happy to help without any attachments :-)
[02:20] <sivang> hi giskard !
[02:20] <sivang> giskard: how you bee doing with your telepathy uploads?
[02:22] <bhale> hi giskard
[02:22] <bhale> directory?
[02:22] <bhale> i don't know of any directory :)
[02:22] <sivang> hehe
[02:22] <sivang> ubuntu-directory rings any bells?
[02:23] <bhale> not for me.
[02:23] <sivang> then I guess it's only Burgundavia and some others like whiprush or so that met over uds
[02:24] <bhale> yes.
[02:24] <bhale> I don't really associate with those guys
[02:24] <sivang> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-directory
[02:24] <sivang> bhale: ^^
[02:24] <giskard> sivang, bah yesterday i've uploaded the wrong version of t-sharp.
[02:24] <sivang> giskard: did you upload a corrected version already ?
[02:24] <bhale> sivang: uh
[02:24] <sivang> bhale: ;-)
[02:24] <bhale> sivang: brandon holtsclaw != me
[02:25] <giskard> i have to re-upload  this evening...i'm not at home
[02:25] <giskard> sivang, no :(
[02:25] <sivang> giskard: it's in universe right?
[02:25] <giskard> no :(
[02:25] <giskard> NEW
[02:26] <sivang> giskard: ah, are you already approved for main?
[02:26] <giskard> anyway who care about # packages? :P
[02:26] <giskard> sivang, no, universe main.
[02:26] <giskard> :)
[02:26] <sivang> giskard: I'm happy to upload if it's in universe, I can't upload to main though.
[02:26] <sivang> (yet)
[02:27] <bhale> giskard: what is t-sharp?
[02:28] <giskard> telepathy-sharp
[02:28] <bhale> oh
[02:28] <bhale> and where are dholbach/seb128
[02:28] <giskard> sivang, i can do uploads in universe.
[02:28] <bhale> i have been wondering about xulrunner
[02:28] <bhale> in feisty
[02:28] <giskard> bhale, canonical conf?
[02:28] <bhale> are we using ff or what?
[02:36] <sivang> bhale: what do you wonder about xulrunner ?
[02:39] <bhale> sivang: if we will use xulrunner or firefox
[02:39] <bhale> it affects mono merges
[02:39] <sivang> bhale: ah I see
[02:39] <bhale> debian uses xulrunner since before edgy
[02:39] <sivang> bhale: so xulrunner is a rendering engine?
[02:41] <bhale> yes
[02:41] <bhale> its gecko
[02:41] <bhale> split out
[02:42] <bhale> with the xul stuff
[02:42] <bhale> no UI
[02:45] <sivang> bhale: how does it affect mono mergers?
[03:06] <zul> heh give $5 for a feature that ill never ever use
[03:13] <sivang> zul: installing ubuntu from windows? :)
[03:14] <zul> yeah check the -devel mailing list
[03:18] <sivang> zul: I saw that already, the 5$ asking mail
[03:28] <sivang> bah, going from the writing the tests and then implementing the feature is tough but does pay eventually.
[03:40] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:52] <bhale> sivang: because we use gecko several places?
[04:59] <xopher> Ah, getting my gpg-key signed tomorrow. Now, where should I go from there, is it just to upload the packages after that?
[05:10] <Adri2000> xopher: you are already a motu?
[05:10] <xopher> no..
[05:10] <Adri2000> you need to in order to upload :)
[05:12] <zul> or you can upload to revu
[05:15] <xopher> So, how do I become a MOTU? ;)
[05:16] <xopher> *reading wiki*
[05:17] <Adri2000> ubuntu member first
[06:32] <nixternal> imbrandon: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3439
[06:45] <pianoboy3333> Can anyone here help me with using git? What does `git pull` and `git fetch` do?
[06:47] <zul> if you have a git archive already it pulls the new changes
[06:51] <pianoboy3333> zul: what does fetch do?
[06:52] <zul> git --help fetch should tell you
[06:52] <sivang> bhale: say, on a related note to beagle , is it possible to query the indexer for a specific folder and it's subfolders recursively, to calculate the total size of them and to count how many files under this particular path?
[06:52] <Mez> hey guys, whats the policy over changing the Maintainer Field nowadays
[06:53] <Burgwork> Mez: there is a tool that munges it
[06:53] <geser> afaik it is done by the buildds
[06:53] <Burgwork> called binarymanagler
[06:54] <sivang> Burgwork: again you surprise me with development oriented knowledge ;) is this another candidate for the "Did you know?" corenr on the UWN ? ;-)
[06:54] <Burgwork> yes
[06:54] <Mez> Burgwork, however, I'm on about changes to source not changes to binary
[06:54] <Burgwork> don't bother changing the source, the mangler will do it
[06:55] <Mez> Burgwork, how will the mangler know what to do with it ?
[06:55] <pygi> Burgwork, I changed it, just because the debian maintainer builded such a junk of package
[06:55] <Mez> Burgwork, this isnt changing it to MOTU ... this is something else
[06:56] <Burgwork> afaik, this is the changing to MOTU
[06:56] <Burgwork> look at the spec or talk to infinity
[06:58] <nixternal> heh, i remember that cartoon
[07:34] <zul> hey dholbach
[07:34] <dholbach> hey zul
[07:36] <ajmitch> hi zul, dholbach
[07:36] <zul> hey ajmitch
[07:36] <imbrandon> heya all
[07:38] <ajmitch> morning imbrandon
[07:38] <ajmitch> you're up early :)
[07:39] <imbrandon> yea a bit, i had that phone interview today with GSI
[07:39] <imbrandon> figured i would stay up
[07:39] <imbrandon> lol
[07:39] <sivang> GSI?
[07:39] <ajmitch> how'd it go?
[07:39] <sivang> hi ajmitch
[07:39] <ajmitch> hello
[07:39] <sivang> and re imbrandon
[07:39] <imbrandon> ajmitch, good, they are sending me a "test" to take today and then i have an inperson interview
[07:40] <ajmitch> great
[07:40] <imbrandon> sivang, a webhost here in KC
[07:40] <imbrandon> for a sysadmin pos
[07:40] <zul> oooh...:)
[07:40] <ajmitch> I guess it'd cut into your ubuntu time though
[07:41] <imbrandon> ajmitch, nah, i wouldent think so, well maybe a bit, but they are an opensource shop so i'm hoping they will sponsor a bit of work too
[07:41] <ajmitch> man, some people get all the luck :)
[07:41] <sivang> ajmitch++ ;)
[07:41] <imbrandon> from what the mgr said almost all their stuff is debian ( not ubuntu )
[07:41] <imbrandon> but i'll have to see when i get in
[08:05] <jdong> quick poll... Is it worth reissuing a backport because of a missing icon in the menu (but menu entry is present)?
[08:05] <jdong> (bug 71546 for reference)
[08:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71546 in edgy-backports "(feisty)No icon for brasero" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71546
[08:06] <pygi> jdong, uh, it's not only because of that if you're looking at brasero 0.5.0
[08:06] <pygi> jdong, the initial upload of 0.5.0 was broken
[08:06] <pygi> jdong, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2006-November/000390.html
[08:06] <pygi> this fixed it
[08:06] <jdong> pygi: how broken was it? I burned quite a few projects with it before allowing it thru backports
[08:07] <pygi> jdong, it was extremely broken.
[08:07] <jdong> pygi: can you elaborate?
[08:07] <pygi> jdong, well, look at the entire changelog :)
[08:08] <jdong> pygi: I see a manpage entry, a menu icon fix, and a bunch of dependency tweaking
[08:08] <pygi> jdong, gtk 2.4 instead of gtk 2.6, gnome-vfs 2.14.1 while 2.14.2 is needed (2.14.1 has some serious bugs which affect brasero), libgdl was dropped once 0.4.x series was started, no versioning of gst
[08:08] <jdong> pygi: {edgy,feisty} has gvfs 2.14.2+ anyway, right?
[08:08] <pygi> jdong, we see same, but important changes, the right deps are here for a reason
[08:09] <jdong> pygi: ./configure would bork without the newer gvfs
[08:09] <pygi> jdong, indeed, but in initial upload build-dep was set on gvfs 2.14.1
[08:09] <jdong> pygi: right, but the resultant binaries built in edgy and feisty wouldn't have been different....
[08:09] <jdong> pygi: since gvfs 2.14.1 or less wasn't in edgy/feisty
[08:09] <jdong> right?
[08:10] <pygi> jdong, that's true, but baltix folks/dapper folks are requesting a backport to dapper
[08:10] <jdong> pygi: right, and so far I've held off on bringing it to Dapper until some loose ends get sorted out
[08:10] <jdong> pygi: namely, the dependencies we just mentioned, and dapper-backports building against dapper-updates
[08:11] <pygi> jdong, whatever trouble is burning related, feel free to bug me
[08:11] <pygi> jdong, right, backports didn't build against dapper-updates before
[08:11] <jdong> pygi: so you're the burning guy. I'll remember that :)
[08:11] <jdong> pygi: idn if it does yet... I'm still poking about that
[08:11] <pygi> jdong, once we get cdrkit synced we'll get tons of bug reports and we'll need a lot of patching
[08:12] <pygi> *if cdrkit gets synced* but it probably will
[08:12] <pygi> jdong, we need to sort out all burning related bits for feisty
[08:12] <pygi> there are a lot of problems with that sadly
[08:12] <jdong> pygi: yeah, hence I'm trying to get the last little bit of burning backported before the burning world gets turned upside down :D
[08:13] <pygi> and jdong : #ubuntu-burning and http://pygi.pykix.net/?p=21
[08:13] <jdong> pygi: thanks
[08:13] <pygi> jdong, nah, thank you :)
[08:13] <pygi> jdong, what's the gst0.10 in dapper? we need at least 0.10.6 for brasero
[08:14] <jdong> err, good question
[08:15] <jdong> libgstreamer0.10-0 | 0.10.6-0ubuntu2 |        dapper | i386
[08:15] <jdong> whew :D
[08:15] <pygi> jdong, yay, good for us :)
[08:15] <jdong> pygi: do you think it's worth reissuing brasero 0ubuntu2 for edgy?
[08:15] <pygi> jdong, yes, if you are wililng to do so I'd much appreciate it
[08:16] <pygi> jdong, would help us fight with bugs which may arrise more safely
[08:16] <jdong> pygi: ok then, will do so
[08:16] <pygi> jdong, thanks
[08:16] <pygi> jdong, it's not about that icon thingy or man page, rather about package consistency
[08:16] <jdong> pygi: ok then
[08:17] <jdong> pygi: and I see Mez has simultaneously marked it for backporting too :D
[08:17] <Mez> jdong: lol
[08:17] <pygi> jdong, I'll be packaging  0.5.1 this or early next week with libburn enabled ... that can be backported to Edgy, and sadly not to dapper
[08:17] <jdong> perky backporters today I guess :D
[08:17] <pygi> jdong, unless we can backport libburn & libisofs as well. which shouldnt be a problem, but I dont think we should backport that stuff to dapper :P
[08:17] <jdong> Mez: I gotta head out soon care to deal with the duplicate you/I generated (look up)
[08:18] <jdong> take care, be back later
[08:18] <pygi> jdong, laters
[08:18] <jdong> and barnacle works / is registered on LP :D
[08:18] <jdong> just tested today
[08:18] <Mez> jdong: no problem :D
[08:19] <Mez> jdong: I'm part of the burning team and backporters, hence why I did it
[08:19] <jdong> Mez: hehe, I was just randomly browsing through feisty-changes when I noticed that one
[08:19] <jdong> hence me coming here and bugging you guys :D
[08:19] <pygi> jdong, ^_^
[08:24] <mr_pouit> a little question: idjc package fails to build on edgy, a debdiff has been proposed for edgy, and a new upstream release has been accepted on feisty. What is the best solution ? try to get it trough edgy-proposed and then edgy-updates, or ask for a backport ?
[08:24] <mr_pouit> *through
[08:25] <mr_pouit> Bug 66475
[08:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66475 in idjc "[DEBDIFF]  Dependency problem" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66475
[08:29] <Adri2000> mr_pouit: I think edgy-updates is better because the package doesn't work at all currently
[08:30] <Adri2000> mr_pouit: subscribe sru, ask someone of the sru team on this channel :)
[08:31] <Adri2000> the good point is that the update won't cause any regression :p
[08:32] <mr_pouit> Adri2000: ;p
[08:32] <mr_pouit> Adri2000: but the package isn't "really" in edgy now, so I'm not sure it is suitable for edgy-updates :/
[08:34] <imbrandon> if its not in edgy it cant be in updates
[08:34] <Adri2000> the source is in edgy, but the binaries aren't because of the FTBFS
[08:35] <imbrandon> ahh well then it is in edgy
[08:35] <bhale> sivang: no?
[08:35] <imbrandon> moins bhale
[08:35] <bhale> hi imbrandon
[08:36] <sivang> bhale: I would think since it indexes all the files, it would have such trivial info per each file
[08:36] <bhale> that isnt exactly in its scope to recursively calculate directory sizes
[08:37] <bhale> du does it just fine
[08:37] <bhale> "size" isnt a useful piece of metadata to search on
[08:41] <sivang> bhale: depends what you want your system to be able to do
[08:43] <sivang> bhale: forget about the size, can I get the list of files/folders underneath a specific target path from the index instead of traversing through the directory tree?
[09:07] <bhale> sivang: no dude.
[09:07] <bhale> sivang: you are missing what beagle is about
[09:15] <Mez> hmm maybe i shouldnt ahve set evo to sync fgrom gaim ...
[09:15] <Mez> lol
[09:22] <sivang> Mez: what does it sync from gaim?
[09:23] <Adri2000> I have already asked that here, but I need more opinions, which section for homebank (http://homebank.free.fr/) ?
[09:25] <Mez> sivang: theres an option to if you install evolution-plugins
[09:30] <geser> Adri2000: as it only uses gtk, I wouldn't put into the gnome section
[09:31] <Adri2000> geser: ok
[09:48] <Adri2000> reviewers: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3441 :)
[09:49] <Adri2000> argh, forgot something again
[09:49] <Adri2000> sorry for flooding revu :p
[09:58] <LaserJock> woot, I have a feisty machine
[09:58] <zul> as do i
[09:58] <nixternal> LaserJock: blog about it and see how comments you get about "is it stable yet?"
[09:58] <pygi> LaserJock, I have a solaris machine =)
[09:58] <LaserJock> nixternal: haha
[09:59] <nixternal> people have asked me how different it is than edgy
[09:59] <minghua> Adri2000: is that a 3.2 official release or 3.2 alpha2 release?
[09:59] <zul> nixternal: then someone will say how about now?
[09:59] <nixternal> i point to them the toolchain and lsb_release
[09:59] <LaserJock> "Is it stable now?" .... "Is it stable now?"
[09:59] <nixternal> haha
[09:59] <ajmitch> LaserJock: careful
[09:59] <zul> how about......now
[09:59] <nixternal> like last night, people asking me where the isos were for feisty
[10:00] <Adri2000> minghua: news on the home page: "Homebank 3.2 final released"
[10:00] <zul> ajmitch: stop doing php then
[10:00] <TheMuso> WHy aren't you guys happy with chroots at this point?
[10:00] <TheMuso> :0
[10:00] <nixternal> ya, this box is edgy...can't have my main box on feisty until at least a herd or two passes
[10:00] <ajmitch> TheMuso: you don't get the full experience
[10:01] <minghua> Adri2000: I am looking at the NEWS file
[10:01] <TheMuso> Enjoy the breakfulness then.
[10:02] <ajmitch> TheMuso: there is no breakage
[10:02] <TheMuso> Not yet at least.
[10:02] <ajmitch> that's why we're developers
[10:02] <ajmitch> to fix breakage
[10:02] <minghua> Adri2000: I suggest you either ask upstream release 3.2.1/3.3 (so that he can get rid of the autom4te.cache/ in tarball as well) or don't ship the NEWS file
[10:03] <Adri2000> minghua: euhh, it's two different problems?
[10:03] <LaserJock> TheMuso: I don't have a lot of hard drive space so I just took a machine that I don't use for work and upgraded it
[10:03] <minghua> Adri2000: yes, two different problems:
[10:03] <TheMuso> Right
[10:03] <LaserJock> chroot's take up a lot of space
[10:03] <LaserJock> at least mine do
[10:03] <minghua> Adri2000: (1) NEWS file not up-to-date
[10:03] <LaserJock> if I could actually test apps in a pbuilder I'd do it that way
[10:04] <minghua> Adri2000: (2) upstream ships autom4te.cache/ in tarball
[10:05] <LaserJock> my goodness, somebody actually like one of my forum posts!
[10:05] <LaserJock> *liked
[10:05] <ajmitch> LaserJock: amazing!!
[10:05] <ajmitch> LaserJock: this is why I don't post on the forums
[10:05] <LaserJock> I know
[10:06] <Adri2000> minghua: ok for the NEWS file, and for autom4te.cache/ I can remove it with a debian/rules ?
[10:06] <LaserJock> but I had to say something about this Scibuntu stuff
[10:06] <ajmitch> the forums aren't particularly motivating most days
[10:07] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:07] <sivang> ajmitch: trust me, ther are other things to get unmotivated by ;)
[10:07] <LaserJock> but I got this response: "LaserJock, what a remarkable explanation you gave! Wonderful! I hope there are more scientific oriented people like you, developing and expanding the glory of Ubuntu."
[10:08] <LaserJock> now I just have to wait for the 5 "You suck and don't know what you are talking about. Oh yeah, you are also a Shuttleworth toadie"
[10:08] <minghua> Adri2000: I have no idea what you should do with autom4te.cache/, especially since you are using CDBS
[10:08] <ajmitch> LaserJock: depressing, isn't it?
[10:08] <minghua> Adri2000: Ideally you should tell upstream not to ship it
[10:09] <minghua> Adri2000: and what's the point of changing Categories in .desktop from "Applications" to "Application" anyway?
[10:09] <minghua> Adri2000: neither of them passes desktop-file-validate
[10:09] <Adri2000> I know, but most of the desktop files use "Application"
[10:10] <LaserJock> many .desktops are pretty bad too ;-)
[10:10] <minghua> LaserJock: hear, hear.  :-)
[10:11] <Adri2000> minghua: how would you do with debhelper?
[10:11] <zul> mmmmm forums...so crunchy and chewey leaves a sour taste in your mouth
[10:11] <minghua> Adri2000: that I don't know either (note I said particularly :-), but I assume it will be safe to remove it in the clean target
[10:12] <minghua> s/particularly/especially/
[10:12] <Adri2000> ok
[10:12] <minghua> . o O { what's the difference between these two words...? }
[10:14] <LaserJock> minghua: either would work in that context I think
[10:15] <minghua> LaserJock: thanks
[10:17] <joejaxx> anyone have a mac that dual boots x and 9?
[10:18] <zul> later
[10:19] <Adri2000> minghua: did you see "dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of directory autom4te.cache" ? I don't understand what is trying to remove it
[10:20] <minghua> Adri2000: I didn't build it, so there is no way I would see that
[10:20] <Adri2000> it's just the build of the source package
[10:20] <minghua> Adri2000: it won't surprise me if "make clean" removes that though
[10:22] <Adri2000> I don't see any "autom4te.cache" in the makefile, even in the whole source directory :/
[10:23] <joejaxx> imbrandon: are you around?
[10:23] <LaserJock> joejaxx: might be a little early for him yet
[10:23] <joejaxx> oh ok
[10:23] <LaserJock> it's before dinner time
[10:23] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:24] <joejaxx> i am trying to boot into macosx
[10:24] <joejaxx> LaserJock: :)
[10:24] <LaserJock> ok
[10:24] <joejaxx> but it keeps booting into system 9
[10:24] <LaserJock> oh, hmm
[10:24] <LaserJock> I haven't had to deal with system 9
[10:24] <minghua> Adri2000: take your source package, dpkg-source -x it, and you'll see the autom4te.cache/ dir, it's in the upstream tarball
[10:24] <joejaxx> oh ok
[10:24] <LaserJock> I think when I first started college it was like system 6 or something
[10:24] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i am just wondering how this thing know which one to boot into
[10:25] <joejaxx> LaserJock: wow
[10:25] <joejaxx> i have an original system 8.5 dosc
[10:25] <LaserJock> then I went straight to OS X
[10:25] <joejaxx> ;p;
[10:25] <joejaxx> lol :P
[10:25] <joejaxx> LaserJock: ah
[10:25] <joejaxx> disc*
[10:25] <Adri2000> minghua: yes yes, but I mean, a grep -R autom4te.cache homebank-3.2/ doesn't return anything
[10:25] <LaserJock> usually you have to hit some cryptic key sequence during boot
[10:25] <LaserJock> have you googled it?
[10:25] <joejaxx> hmm
[10:26] <joejaxx> yeah apple key + c brings me to sys 9
[10:26] <joejaxx> but
[10:26] <joejaxx> it just goes there automatically now
[10:27] <LaserJock> hmm :/
[10:29] <minghua> Adri2000: something in the build process removed it
[10:29] <minghua> Adri2000: maybe make clean, maybe configure
[10:29] <minghua> I honestly have no idea though
[10:29] <minghua> autotools are still black magic to me
[10:32] <Adri2000> I've just rm -rf my working directory and downloaded diff/orig/dsc from revu and dpkg-source -x
[10:32] <Adri2000> at the first debuild, "ignoring deletion" doesn't appear
[10:33] <Adri2000> and autom4te.cache doesn't exist anymore :)
[10:33] <minghua> then I think we can exclude "make clean" already
[10:34] <Adri2000> found
[10:34] <minghua> (that message is from building source package BTW)
[10:34] <Adri2000> black magic of dh_clean
[10:35] <minghua> Hmm...  So CDBS's clean target doesn't run dh_clean?
[10:37] <Adri2000> /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk:
[10:37] <Adri2000> clean::
[10:37] <Adri2000>         dh_clean $(call cdbs_add_dashx,$(DEB_CLEAN_EXCLUDE))
[10:37] <Adri2000> and if you grep autom4te.cache in /usr/bin/dh_clean you find something
[10:38] <minghua> what I meant is that you are supposed to have run clean target when you build the source package
[10:38] <minghua> and therefore should get the warning in the first build as well
[10:39] <Adri2000> the warning was here because autom4te.cache was already deleted
[10:39] <Adri2000> the first time it isn't yet deleted
[10:59] <giskard> autom4te.cache shouldn't stay in a tar.gz
[10:59] <_MMA_> imbrandon: ping
[11:00] <nixternal> funny thing is we get picked on for restricted-drivers and we aren't free, however -> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/blog/
[11:05] <LaserJock> nixternal: hahahaha
[11:05] <nixternal> ya, i went to do my yearly donation, and that is what i was presented with
[11:05] <nixternal> i swore in the past i just donated
[11:06] <Adri2000> giskard: why? I will ask upstream to remove it for the next release, and dh_clean removes it automatically at the moment
[11:07] <rmjb> hey guys, you all know any reason ~/bin would be in my $PATH in a virtual terminal but not in a gnome-terminal session?
[11:08] <ajmitch> nixternal: they don't want your money, obviously :)
[11:09] <nixternal> i guess not
[11:09] <nixternal> and i even told them to donate 100% of my funds to the FSF and i didn't want a gift
[11:13] <minghua> rmjb: using gdm?
[11:14] <rmjb> yeah
[11:14] <minghua> gdm doesn't read ~/.bash_profile, has its own $PATH setting, etc., etc.
[11:14] <minghua> so look at your gdm setting
[11:14] <rmjb> :s
[11:14] <minghua> (exactly where, I don't really know)
[11:15] <minghua> I only know the sarge version of GDM
[11:16] <LaserJock> hmm, why would it have anything to do with GDM?
[11:16] <LaserJock> I can see .bash_profile vs .bashrc
[11:17] <minghua> well, in a standard debian system, I believe the original $PATH is read from /etc/profile
[11:17] <minghua> everything else just modify it, add their own pieces
[11:17] <minghua> GDM has its own $PATH though
[11:19] <LaserJock> right, but how does that effect gnome-terminal?
[11:20] <rmjb> is it a bash/dash issue?
[11:21] <minghua> because your gnome-terminal process is a child of your X session, which is spawned in the environment set by GDM?
[11:22] <minghua> or maybe I get the process relation wrong
[11:23] <rmjb> a quick check off the command pstree shows gnome-terminal off init, and running bash
[11:23] <minghua> anyway the reality is, whatever you change the $PATH in your /etc/profile, it applies your text terminal, and the X terminals if you use startx
[11:23] <minghua> but got lost if you use GDM
[11:23] <LaserJock> hmm, would you guys say that we (MOTUs) support the Universe packages?
[11:23] <minghua> I just know this from experience, don't know the technical details
[11:24] <LaserJock> I'm not sure "support" is the right word
[11:24] <minghua> what about "take care of" them ;-)
[11:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: in some sense we do
[11:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: how about "have an abiding hate for" ? ;)
[11:24] <LaserJock> I mean, we do provide updates and security fixes as much as we can
[11:24] <LaserJock> ajmitch: that won't help recruitment
[11:25] <LaserJock> ;-)
[11:25] <ajmitch> LaserJock: depends on who you're looking to recruit :)
[11:25] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:25] <ajmitch> there are some universe packages for which that is certainly true
[11:26] <ajmitch> we don't maintain universe packages
[11:26] <ajmitch> nor do we really support them
[11:27] <rmjb> minghua: when I set the option in gnome-terminal to "Run command as a login shell" it picked up the proper setting
[11:27] <LaserJock> ajmitch: hmmm
[11:27] <rmjb> I don't know where it gets the PATH without that option on... couldn't find anything under the System menu or in gconf-editor
[11:29] <minghua> rmjb: yes, as it will read ~/.bash_profile then
[11:30] <minghua> and probably /etc/profile as well
[11:30] <rmjb> is there anything wrong with you all's Language Support application? mine brings up some large entries in the Default Language selection box, that look like email headers
[11:33] <nixternal> advocate and upload if you are free please. thank you
[11:33] <nixternal> hahaa
[11:33] <nixternal> it might help if i provide a link ey
[11:33] <nixternal> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3439
[11:33] <LaserJock> I was wondering who you were talking to
[11:33] <nixternal> myself
[11:34] <nixternal> i think the changelog is fine, and is the way i have always done it
[11:34] <LaserJock> rmjb: looks fine to me on Edgy
[11:34] <nixternal> if it needs to have the * Merge info as well as a recap of what happened previously then I can do that
[11:35] <rmjb> hmm... must be the round-a-bout way I had to go through to install edgy on this fakeraid... it's not a problem I guess
[11:38] <rmjb> for merging, best to use motu-tools?
[11:42] <LaserJock> on merges.ubuntu.com an "updated merges" are packages that have already been merged once for feisty but have since been updated in Debian?
[11:44] <kmon_> Hi
[11:45] <kmon_> can I request a package not in debian via a bug in lauchpad->people->motus?
[11:45] <rmjb> what package?
[11:45] <kmon_> gaim-libnotify
[11:45] <imbrandon> kmon_, the package isnt in debian but you want it in ubuntu ?
[11:45] <kmon_> imbrandon: yep
[11:46] <imbrandon> has it been packaged yet, you  just want "someone" to do it
[11:46] <kmon_> not in debian, it's in an evil 3rd party repo
[11:46] <nixternal> i would have left the "evil 3rd party repo" part out around imbrandon, he is a huge RMS fan
[11:47] <imbrandon> well if you want to do the leg work, grab the source from the 3rd party repo and clean it up where needed
[11:47] <imbrandon> and submit it to REVU
[11:47] <kmon_> I've no idea on how to package
[11:47] <imbrandon> if not add it to the canidates page
[11:47] <imbrandon> ok then it falls into you wish "someone" to do it :)
[11:47] <rmjb> where's the candidates page?
[11:47] <kmon_> imbrandon: yes,... :)
[11:48] <imbrandon> in that case add it to the canidates page and when "someone" gets time that is where new packagers are sent etc
[11:48] <geser> I've a private deb for gaim-libnotify
[11:48] <geser> should clean it up and upload to revu first
[11:48] <kmon_> geser: that would be awesome
[11:48] <imbrandon> rmjb, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[11:48] <_MMA_> imbrandon: PM?
[11:49] <kmon_> I really don't like guiications, gaim-libnotify looks more integrated into gnome
[11:50] <imbrandon> _MMA_, sure
[11:50] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you should just sit down for a weekend & package up everything on the candidates page :)
[11:50] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ahhahahaha
[11:50] <kmon_> imbrandon: we could pay you the beers
[11:51] <kmon_> but I'm afraid that's a lot of beers, and  it would make package quality worse...
[11:51] <kmon_> hehe
[11:52] <LaserJock> nah
[11:53] <kmon_> geser: thanks man.
[11:53] <LaserJock> some of the best packaging has apparently done "under the influence"
[11:53] <imbrandon> :)
[11:53] <LaserJock> I'm just glad our release manager knows when he shouldn't be releasing .isos
[11:53] <imbrandon> LOL
[11:54] <LaserJock> imbrandon: have you seen that in -devel ever?
[11:54] <imbrandon> or when the community manager SHOULD be recruiting cheerleaders
[11:54] <imbrandon> LaserJock, a time or two :)
[11:55] <LaserJock> it was something like Edgy Beta where tollef is says something like "I'm not releasing now, I've had too much wine"
[11:55] <LaserJock> s/is says/said/
[11:56] <kmon_> goodbye
[11:57] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I'm sure that it won't take you too long :)
[11:57] <imbrandon> lol
[11:57] <ajmitch> I'd only be able to get through maybe 1 or 2
[11:58] <imbrandon> i would be able to get like 0.5 done atm
[11:58] <imbrandon> sh*t amarok is in depwait ...... /me grumbles
[11:58] <imbrandon> hrm
[11:58] <LaserJock> I  sure wish we could clean that list up though, it's pretty horrendous
[11:58] <ajmitch> back later
[11:58] <imbrandon> later
[11:59] <imbrandon> LaserJock, good place to send the newbs till greyskull is formed
[11:59] <nixternal> im looking at it now
[11:59] <imbrandon> i might try to clean it up some later if i get bored
[11:59] <nixternal> imbrandon: you get a chance to check out kvirc at all?
[11:59] <imbrandon> some are alreaday done like frostwaire
[12:00] <imbrandon> nixternal, yea i've been looking at it
[12:00] <LaserJock> imbrandon: not a very good place :/
[12:00] <LaserJock> a lot of the stuff on there has licensing issues, etc.
[12:00] <imbrandon> nixternal, did you fix the changelog ?
[12:00] <nixternal> not since the last post i haven't....do i need to do a recap on the previous changes done in debian?
[12:01] <Adri2000> yes
[12:01] <rmjb> question about handling a merge
[12:01] <imbrandon> no you need to recap the changes you left in from ubuntu
[12:01] <rmjb> a file has <<<<<<< on one line, then a few lines down [12:02] <Adri2000> and the changelog entries from debian
[12:02] <rmjb> do I delete the lines between the <<<<<< and the [12:02] <nixternal> imbrandon: i.e., dh_iconcache?
[12:02] <imbrandon> nixternal, yes , make sure and keep all the debian changelog entries, and the last one needs to have the remaning ubuntu changes, like dh_iconcache
[12:03] <nixternal> ok, dh_iconcache was the only change correct?
[12:03] <nixternal> besides version number and feisty
[12:03] <imbrandon> i havent looked , that was your job as the merger :)
[12:03] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:03] <imbrandon> but iirc yes
[12:03] <nixternal> well then, dh_iconcache is all i seen
[12:04] <nixternal> i can add under my merge note that dh_iconcache was enabled, as you had done previously in that changelog
[12:04] <imbrandon> does it use cdbs ?
[12:04] <nixternal> yes
[12:04] <imbrandon> e.g. kde.mk in the rules ?
[12:04] <nixternal> i don't think kde.mk was in there, but i am double checking right now
[12:04] <imbrandon> if it has kde.mk in the rules , dh_iconcache has been added to that and it can be synced
[12:05] <imbrandon> if that was the only change
[12:05] <nixternal> no kde.mk
[12:05] <imbrandon> ok never mind then , yes add it to the changelog
[12:06] <nixternal>   * Merge from Debian unstable
[12:06] <nixternal>   * Added dh_iconcache
[12:06] <nixternal> cool?
[12:07] <rmjb> okay, I've resolved the conflicts of a merge, deleted the .UBUNTU file and removed the lines from the old ubuntu package... i.e. made it a sync (I think) what now??
[12:08] <LaserJock> rmjb: a sync? all the previous Ubuntu changes are no longer needed?
[12:09] <rmjb> they were handled in the new debian version
[12:09] <rmjb> only 1 might be needed but have to wait for herd1 for that
[12:10] <rmjb> to test
[12:11] <Adri2000> rmjb: why would you have to wait?