| claydoh | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=299933&goto=newpost | 12:23 |
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| claydoh | heh install only part of the desktop, and call it crippled | 12:23 |
| claydoh | now off to cook some pork chops for dinner (yum) | 12:24 |
| Riddell | ye gods | 12:28 |
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| fdoving | nite. | 12:34 |
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| pinheir0 | hi guys | 01:02 |
| Riddell | yo yo pinheir0 | 01:04 |
| pinheir0 | so Riddell wre are you? | 01:04 |
| Hobbsee | heya | 01:04 |
| pinheir0 | back home? | 01:05 |
| pinheir0 | loved your last blog :) cannoing ..... | 01:06 |
| Riddell | pinheir0: still in San Francisco | 01:06 |
| pinheir0 | how is that going? | 01:06 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: do you have a large axe handy? | 01:07 |
| pinheir0 | hehehh | 01:07 |
| Riddell | pinheir0: no much of relevance to me happening, just doing my merges but in a hotel | 01:07 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: what for? | 01:07 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: to use on my boss | 01:07 |
| Riddell | that sounds violent | 01:08 |
| pinheir0 | hehehhe | 01:08 |
| pinheir0 | sound motivational | 01:08 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: she's trying to run front end in the ground, and yelling at me in teh process | 01:08 |
| Riddell | don't talk to me about being motivational | 01:08 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 01:08 |
| Hobbsee | why so? | 01:08 |
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| Riddell | the motivational guru we had to endure all afternoon on monday was god aweful | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | hahaha | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | i hate them too | 01:09 |
| pinheir0 | hahhaha | 01:10 |
| pinheir0 | well some of the images on your blog seam prety motivational to me | 01:10 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: (front end being the part of the supermarket that i work in, of course) | 01:11 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: then you're just greatful for irc? | 01:11 |
| Hobbsee | or something else, to ignore hte motivational speaker? | 01:11 |
| Riddell | we didn't have laptop for the whole afternoon | 01:12 |
| pinheir0 | that torture | 01:12 |
| Hobbsee | oh drat :( | 01:12 |
| Hobbsee | tha't snot nice | 01:12 |
| pinheir0 | i bet there is somthing about that in the Geneber convention | 01:12 |
| === Hobbsee cant spell today - freezing cold | ||
| Riddell | and it took me three tries to punch my bare fist through a flaming wooden board | 01:19 |
| Riddell | most of the officec staff managed it first try | 01:19 |
| Riddell | so I'mall demotivated now | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | awww :( | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: that seems to just be encouraging violence. | 01:20 |
| Riddell | it is a bit close to that | 01:21 |
| Hobbsee | that being said, violence on the right people can be fun, as long as there's no violence back the other way :P | 01:22 |
| === Hobbsee can still hear the boss yelling at her over the phone, a bit. Dont yell at me for something i didnt do, boss! | ||
| === Hobbsee needs another job :P | ||
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: I agree | 01:28 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: heh. what as, is the question | 01:29 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: other mundane retail job? | 01:30 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: heh. apart from my boss, i have one of the most fun retail jobs. | 01:32 |
| Hobbsee | (as there are people to talk to) | 01:32 |
| Hobbsee | "yes, i'm doing my job, by talking to a customer for 10 mins. it's called customer service" | 01:32 |
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| Riddell | kdelibs compiled! | 02:02 |
| Riddell | kdebase seems to be heading that way | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yay! for kde4? | 02:03 |
| Riddell | no, feisty kde 3 | 02:03 |
| _nixternal | i seen some kde love going up earlier | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 02:03 |
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| _nixternal | the edgy live cds they sent the locos are buggered | 02:08 |
| Riddell | in what way? | 02:09 |
| _nixternal | it has the bugged system settings for display, user management, and disk management...but that fixes itself after installed and updated | 02:14 |
| _nixternal | another thing i get, is if i try to change the password running live, it says i have to wait more time | 02:14 |
| _nixternal | i thought i used a live cd last week and had no issue | 02:14 |
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| Tonio_ | imbrandon: when you're available could you have a look at backporting digikam from feisty to edgy ? this upload closes the bug #60703 | 02:59 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 60703 in digikam "[edgy] digiKam - showfoto, conflicting files." [Medium,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/60703 | 02:59 |
| pinheir0 | hi Tonio_ | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | hey nuno :) | 02:59 |
| pinheir0 | how are you doing | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | I didn't saw your blog post concerning my stomac problems :) | 03:00 |
| Jucato | wow! another KDE artist in here! :) | 03:00 |
| imbrandon | ok Tonio_ | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | very fine, pretty cool :) | 03:00 |
| pinheir0 | hehehhehe | 03:00 |
| imbrandon | heya nuno | 03:00 |
| pinheir0 | hey brandon | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | you know what ? I had the same issue in the place | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | plane | 03:00 |
| pinheir0 | hahahahahhahaaa | 03:00 |
| pinheir0 | thats worst | 03:00 |
| pinheir0 | o boy | 03:01 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, from the bombs you were dropping i think you had them before | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | just from SF to cincinnati | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | it was okay between cincinnati and paris | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: hehe, indeed that's possible :) | 03:01 |
| pinheir0 | still i can imgine peoples faces | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | pinheir0: so in fact I spent about 3 hours in the restroom in the plane.... nightmare | 03:02 |
| pinheir0 | heheheheheheee | 03:02 |
| imbrandon | lol | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | now I'm back to france, not *any* fart for 3 days....... | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | american food is definitly not for me | 03:02 |
| seele | LOL | 03:02 |
| pinheir0 | seams not | 03:02 |
| _nixternal | bug 66858 - anyone confirm that one speaking of digikam? | 03:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66858 in digikam "[Edgy] Adding a Tag + Icon Crashes" [Medium,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66858 | 03:02 |
| _nixternal | that happens on everyone of my edgy installs | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | seele: yeah sorry for the high level of the discussion :) | 03:03 |
| pinheir0 | yea | 03:03 |
| seele | haha, so funny | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | _nixternal: I'm trying to have a look, just a sec | 03:03 |
| seele | i dont eat "american" garbage, so maybe thats why i dont have farting problems :P | 03:03 |
| pinheir0 | but there is no discution | 03:03 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, hahaha and the americans said the same thing at UDS in paris :) | 03:03 |
| pinheir0 | its a given fact that you fart like hell | 03:03 |
| seele | then again, legend has girls dont fart. only way to find out is to get me a cheeseburger | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: the difference is that in paris the food was *really* bad | 03:04 |
| imbrandon | seele, hahahahaha | 03:04 |
| pinheir0 | :P | 03:04 |
| seele | imbrandon: perhaps that is only an american joke, no one else got it :) | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | seele: my GF farts probably more and worse than me, but she doesn't in public :) | 03:04 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, shhhh your not supose to let people know that :) | 03:05 |
| seele | Tonio_: hahaha, well maybe *thats* the difference | 03:05 |
| imbrandon | seele, right on | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | only with my friends in fact since we are generally in perpetual fart competition | 03:05 |
| imbrandon | ROFLMAO | 03:05 |
| seele | i have to admit, my boyfriend convinced me to go to a nice fish restaurant for dinner and my stomach hasnt been right all night ;P | 03:05 |
| imbrandon | match made at burgur king | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: translation ? | 03:05 |
| pinheir0 | ok that is more than i want to imagine | 03:05 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, roflmao ? rolling on the floor laughing my ass off | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | pinheir0: lol | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: thanks :) | 03:06 |
| seele | Tonio_: ive heard rumors that girl farts are *worse* than guy farts, and thats why we dont fart in public! | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | seele: talking about my ex and actual gf, I can confirm | 03:06 |
| imbrandon | haha , how true, i can atest to that from my ex-wife | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | especially when there is no noise at all | 03:07 |
| pinheir0 | thats mine | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | more vicious ones | 03:07 |
| seele | at least we have the common sense to retire to the restroom.. i cant tell you how horrible it is to walk past my boyfriend and nearly pass out | 03:07 |
| pinheir0 | the non noisy ones | 03:07 |
| imbrandon | zomg, some one will make a qt fart gauge if we keep this up | 03:07 |
| pinheir0 | loking over the sholder | 03:07 |
| seele | "did you fart?" "me? no.." "it smells like dead animals" "yeah.. that was me" | 03:07 |
| imbrandon | seele, HAHAHA | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | seele: yes, and 20 minutes after, when someones needs to go to the restroom................. | 03:07 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, you ever walked into a female restroom? ZOMG | 03:08 |
| seele | pinheir0: SBD = silent, but deadly :) | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yes, it is completly AMAZING | 03:08 |
| pinheir0 | hahahahaa | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | girls are dirty, really | 03:08 |
| imbrandon | but they play it off so wel;l | 03:08 |
| imbrandon | well* | 03:08 |
| seele | Tonio_: you still cant get enough of us tho :) | 03:08 |
| imbrandon | seele, exactly | 03:09 |
| seele | if girls are dirty, what the hell are men? Pigs? | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | seele: hehe | 03:09 |
| imbrandon | dog, pigs, ummm | 03:09 |
| pinheir0 | hoink no we are not hoink | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | seele: well, my GF calls me "babe" | 03:09 |
| seele | men are very good at easily not smelling good :P | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | pig, but a cute baby one :) | 03:09 |
| seele | Tonio_: lol | 03:09 |
| imbrandon | lol Tonio_ | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | I hate this....... | 03:10 |
| imbrandon | papa "babe" Tonio_ | 03:10 |
| pinheir0 | what a good conversation before going to bed | 03:10 |
| seele | hehe | 03:10 |
| pinheir0 | giii | 03:10 |
| imbrandon | nerd pillow talk | 03:10 |
| pinheir0 | hehhehee | 03:10 |
| pinheir0 | btw just farted | 03:10 |
| seele | eewwww | 03:10 |
| imbrandon | ZOMG /me looks for the /kick | 03:11 |
| pinheir0 | and off to bed i go | 03:11 |
| seele | l8r | 03:11 |
| imbrandon | woop cant do that anymore | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | pinheir0: now you know why edgy is more buggy than dapper........ we need to correct this | 03:11 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, did i tell you they invited me to be freenode staff btw ? | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | let's talk about computers dudes ! | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: hu ? | 03:11 |
| Jucato | _nixternal: I can confirm, but I think you don't need to add a Tag + Icon. even if you cancel the Add Tag dialog box, it crashes. | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: because you are connected 20h a day ? | 03:12 |
| Jucato | _nixternal: scratch the last part of the sentence... | 03:12 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: that's pretty cool ;) | 03:12 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, probably :) | 03:12 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: if you get the rights, please delete that "Tonio" account, so that I can get it mine :) | 03:12 |
| Tonio_ | it was before I quit and came back | 03:13 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, i already have them, type "/stats p" | 03:13 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 03:13 |
| imbrandon | but i cant do that | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: are those privileges global ? | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I was joking of course | 03:13 |
| imbrandon | yes , all of freenode | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | interesting :) strange but interesting | 03:14 |
| imbrandon | stats p , lists freenode staff connected | 03:14 |
| imbrandon | well connected and non idle | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: by "strange" I mean than I wonder why they choosed you between the 30000 guys connected | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | but that's cool | 03:14 |
| imbrandon | i dunno, maybe becouse i'm already on the ubuntu irc op team and am always arround | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: ah ! I didn't knew that you were on the irc team | 03:15 |
| imbrandon | and have proved myself , no idea, lilo and rob asked me before his accident, but i just got it this week | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | that explains indeed | 03:15 |
| imbrandon | i'm on lots of teams | 03:15 |
| imbrandon | https://launchpad.net/people/imbrandon | 03:15 |
| imbrandon | :) | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | https://launchpad.net/people/tonio | 03:16 |
| imbrandon | https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-irc | 03:16 |
| Tonio_ | okay you win.......... | 03:16 |
| _nixternal | Jucato: i like using my icons when tagging | 03:16 |
| Tonio_ | I am defeated ;) | 03:16 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, haha almost the same ammount :) | 03:16 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I'd be interested i getting the rights to approve backports eventually | 03:16 |
| Tonio_ | that would help since I'm maintaining lots of packages.... | 03:16 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, kk | 03:16 |
| Jucato | _nixternal: I'll confirm the bug report. do I need to add a bugtrace too? | 03:16 |
| Tonio_ | it is sometimes frustrating to fix only in the current dev version some critical tings | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: how to get those privileges ? | 03:17 |
| imbrandon | well critical bugs are better fixed via the SRU team not backports | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: well digikam is not "critical" but a very annoying thing | 03:17 |
| imbrandon | becouse backports isnt on by default and not supported etc , so not everyuone gets them | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | packaging error happens sometimes | 03:17 |
| imbrandon | but -updates everyone gets | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | yes but a packaging issue will generally be resolved by a backport | 03:18 |
| imbrandon | right packageing errors are better for SRU not backports | 03:18 |
| imbrandon | no | 03:18 |
| imbrandon | thats a misconception | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: okay but if a new upstream release closes a critical thing ;) | 03:18 |
| imbrandon | well the "best" way is to cherry pick the fix for SRU, backport is really a last resort | 03:19 |
| Tonio_ | I should subscribe to the "sponsor for main" and universe teams too | 03:19 |
| imbrandon | anyhow just have jdong add you to the backports team | 03:19 |
| imbrandon | but before you do learn the diffrence between what should be in -updates and -backports and -security | 03:19 |
| imbrandon | other than that your golden | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: bah backports/update is clear I think.... | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | backports is for new upstream release only | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | security/update......... | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | I must say sometimes I don't see the point | 03:21 |
| imbrandon | right but major problems that can be fixed by cherry pickeing fixes is much better in -updates | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | they could be merged in my opinion | 03:21 |
| imbrandon | no they cant | 03:21 |
| imbrandon | they are very diffrent | 03:21 |
| imbrandon | -updates is on by default and 8 million people will get it | 03:21 |
| imbrandon | -backports is not | 03:21 |
| imbrandon | and also not suppoorted | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | I'm talking abourt security/updates | 03:21 |
| imbrandon | and also no distention against universe and main in -backports | 03:22 |
| imbrandon | well security gets pushed through the buildd's faster is why | 03:22 |
| imbrandon | its seperate | 03:22 |
| imbrandon | also they arent announced on public ML etc | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yes but technically they could be merged | 03:23 |
| Tonio_ | I mean an update for "security reasons" is a update :) | 03:23 |
| imbrandon | no , not really, not without a major overhaul of soyuz | 03:23 |
| Tonio_ | but yes I understand the point | 03:23 |
| Tonio_ | I will look at that carrefully | 03:23 |
| Tonio_ | I generally focus only on the dev version so the update/security policy is something I don't know in details | 03:24 |
| imbrandon | :) | 03:24 |
| Tonio_ | I use edgy on my machine for 6 month for example :) | 03:24 |
| imbrandon | right thats why i said your golden as far as the technical end, but look at the reasons for other things :) | 03:24 |
| Tonio_ | that explains why the "current" state of the stable release is unknow to me :) | 03:25 |
| imbrandon | i'm on feisty now :) | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: does it work ? | 03:25 |
| imbrandon | yup, the real fun starts next week, but works fine for the moment, i always ride the dev versions out | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: you should have lost most of kde settings no ? | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | inless you have changed a lot of things | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | since I renamed the konqueror profile :) | 03:26 |
| imbrandon | i dident loose anything iirc | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | I have to provide a link to avoid the error for those who don't change the defaults at all | 03:26 |
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| imbrandon | Sysinfo for 'horatio': Linux 2.6.17-10-386 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), HD: 56/328GB, RAM: 937/1003MB, 123 proc's, 22.43h up | 03:29 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 03:30 |
| imbrandon | wrong kernel | 03:30 |
| imbrandon | wonder why it dident update | 03:30 |
| _nixternal | imbrandon: it doesn't upgrade automatically, you have to do it manually after the fact | 03:31 |
| _nixternal | i did the same thing yesterday and did a wtf | 03:31 |
| imbrandon | it /should/ as part of the linux-generic meta package | 03:31 |
| imbrandon | thats the reason for it | 03:31 |
| imbrandon | seems to be a bug | 03:32 |
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| _nixternal | imbrandon: do you have a link to the irssi script that Seveas has for admin stuff? | 03:36 |
| _nixternal | i want to kill someone, quick and painlessly | 03:36 |
| _nixternal | actually, i want it to hurt | 03:36 |
| imbrandon | Seveas, is for xchat not irssi | 03:36 |
| _nixternal | nalioth has the irssi one then? | 03:37 |
| imbrandon | you'll have to poke nalioth for the irssi one, if he gives it out etc | 03:37 |
| _nixternal | ok, nevermind on that one then | 03:37 |
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| _nixternal | imbrandon: do you remember if it is /ak or /abk when i want to nuke someone? | 03:47 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: it's a 'bug' because it's not really a general replacement for 2.6.17 yet | 03:51 |
| ajmitch | still missing some modules | 03:51 |
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| Hobbsee | hey Tonio_ | 07:26 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio___ too | 07:26 |
| Jucato | 07:26 | |
| Jucato | hi Hobbsee | 07:27 |
| Hobbsee | hey Jucato | 07:27 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: ping | 07:32 |
| Riddell | h im | 07:43 |
| Riddell | hi imbrandon | 07:43 |
| Tonio___ | hey Hobbsee | 07:44 |
| Hobbsee | hey Riddell | 07:44 |
| Tonio___ | Riddell: I was just trying to build kdebindings 3.5.5 | 07:44 |
| Tonio___ | Riddell: it looks like there is an issue I didn't have one month ago when I did the package....... | 07:45 |
| Tonio___ | probably related to qt4.2 or something | 07:45 |
| Tonio___ | I tried to build the debian package also, same problem | 07:45 |
| Riddell | kdebindings shouldn't do anything with qt 4.2 | 07:46 |
| Riddell | it's kde 3 only | 07:46 |
| Tonio_ | ./qtjava/.libs/libqtjava.so: undefined reference to `QAuServer::tr(char const*, char const*)' | 07:46 |
| Tonio_ | hum true :) I'm tired sorry | 07:47 |
| Tonio_ | the point is I don't know what to do with this | 07:47 |
| Riddell | I seem to remember debian also gave up | 07:48 |
| Riddell | but might be worth checking if they managed with kde 3.5.5 | 07:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: bah this is the debian package........ I assume it build on debian | 07:48 |
| Riddell | but I'd have no objections to not bothering with qt/kde java | 07:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: this is the 3.5.5 package from debian | 07:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I also tried to upgrade the edgy package on my own, same problem | 07:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay so I can patch to avoid building this ? interesting | 07:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum... the edgy package ftbfs on edgy too with the same error.... I'll try to investigate | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: i'm working on the UWN right now as the token kde guy, we're about to push it out | 08:04 |
| imbrandon | got somthing to add? | 08:04 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: point to sebas and seele's blogs | 08:05 |
| imbrandon | k i have seele's link got sebas's ? | 08:05 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: and say what rocking specs we have | 08:05 |
| Riddell | vizzzion.org | 08:05 |
| imbrandon | kk | 08:05 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: you were working on wengophone, werent you? | 08:05 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: yes but the QT4.2 issue is not resolved at this point | 08:06 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: the package builds, but the UI doesn't appear (although the software doesn't crash) | 08:06 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: we have to wait........ | 08:06 |
| Tonio_ | omg........ 8 am here....... | 08:06 |
| === Tonio_ beds ! | ||
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: stevenk wants to know if you want to merge the version from debian, or do you have stuff to add? | 08:07 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I'll probably add stuff to add | 08:07 |
| Tonio_ | what is the debian version ? | 08:07 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: no idea, ask stevenk | 08:07 |
| Tonio_ | hum... it will not work for ubuntu anyway.... but if debian has a package let's use this one... | 08:08 |
| Tonio_ | the point is I packaged it long before debian.... I don't understand why he didn't contact me before | 08:08 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I'm looking at his package | 08:09 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i've sent this stuff to stevenk, he'll get in contact with you soonish | 08:09 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: okay :) | 08:12 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: it looks that the packaging is completly different, indeed | 08:12 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: in fact wengophone as 2 build systems, scons or cmake | 08:14 |
| Tonio_ | I use scons and he uses cmake hehe :) | 08:14 |
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| imbrandon | Riddell: whats nuno's last name ? | 08:42 |
| Jucato | pinheiro (afaik) | 08:43 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yup that's it | 08:52 |
| imbrandon | :) | 08:52 |
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| imbrandon | just kidding | 08:53 |
| Tonio_ | lol | 08:53 |
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| imbrandon | erg | 09:08 |
| imbrandon | kwwii's last name Weimer ? | 09:08 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: / Tonio_ / someone ? | 09:08 |
| Jucato | imbrandon: Kenneth Wimer | 09:09 |
| Tonio_ | wimmer | 09:10 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: the one on his blogs are a typo? | 09:10 |
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| imbrandon | extra extra , read all the gossip, UWN 21 is out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue21 | 09:26 |
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| \sh | moins | 09:39 |
| Jucato | yay! kwwii and nuno will be working together for Feisty! Artwork is so going to rock! :) | 09:40 |
| \sh | sebas: pingelin dude...who I know is at the linuxworld expo kde booth? ;) | 09:43 |
| sebas | Torsten? | 09:45 |
| sebas | Hi \sh | 09:45 |
| sebas | Eva might also be around there | 09:46 |
| \sh | sebas: torsten rahn you mean...I have to call him anyways because of amu.. | 09:46 |
| sebas | Aye, do you have his number? | 09:47 |
| sebas | (Because I might have it, or not.) | 09:47 |
| \sh | sebas: yepp, amu gave me his :) | 09:47 |
| sebas | Cool | 09:47 |
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| sebas | back in ~30' or so | 09:48 |
| \sh | ok...time to leave this place and travel to cologne-deutz .... | 09:50 |
| \sh | cu later | 09:50 |
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| Hobbsee | hey all | 12:34 |
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| viviersf | Riddell, ping | 02:34 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 03:45 |
| Jucato | hi bddebian! | 03:46 |
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| bddebian | Hi Jucato | 03:46 |
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| jdong | hmm, can konsole do the gnome-terminal trick where new tabs open in the cwd of the old tab? | 03:55 |
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| mhb | Lure: ping | 05:21 |
| Lure | mhb: pong | 05:22 |
| mhb | Lure: the last time I pinged you, I asked you about the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyNetworking | 05:22 |
| Lure | mhb: what was the question? | 05:23 |
| mhb | Lure: I think you wrote that "knetworkmanager will provide enough info" | 05:23 |
| mhb | Lure: and I wanted to know what you mean by that | 05:23 |
| mhb | Lure: Will it write when my wireless/wired connection gets interrupted/gets back on? | 05:24 |
| Lure | mhb: SuSE has patches to detect network status through network manager (dbus) | 05:24 |
| Lure | mhb: we will review these patches for potential inclusion in Feisty | 05:25 |
| mhb | Lure: is the status then visible to the user? and how? | 05:26 |
| Lure | mhb: it is not about making status visible (this is what knetworkmanager already does), but about making kopete/kmail avare about nework status | 05:27 |
| === fdoving has pacakges of kwlan 0.5.6 it's too.. unprofessional imo. | ||
| Lure | fdoving: in what sense "unprofessional | 05:29 |
| fdoving | Lure: like for example to scan for a network, first i have to click scan to bring up the 'scan results' window. then I have to click 'scan' again, to actually scan. the capitalization is inconsistent. etc. | 05:31 |
| fdoving | that's my feeling anyway. I'm totaly pro using wpa_supplicant though. it rocks. | 05:32 |
| fdoving | even for non encrypted network, and wep. | 05:32 |
| mhb | Lure: ok, thanks | 05:33 |
| === Lure -> home, bbl | ||
| fdoving | and also.. creating two systray icons, one for kwlan-the-program, and one for each device after that.. is unnecessary imo. | 05:35 |
| fdoving | two+ icons. | 05:35 |
| fdoving | you can always hide one, and remove the monitoring of unwanted devices, but it'll still require users to actually do that. | 05:36 |
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| Mez | debbug 394534 | 06:06 |
| Mez | main uploaders: ping regarding upload of re-libtooled katapult | 06:16 |
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| seele | imbrandon: nice article.. can i use some of it in a colo talk? | 06:44 |
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| mhb | Riddell: when you'll be here, can you describe the "text import/export feature" of the Oxygen comparison chart you wanted? | 08:08 |
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| Riddell | mhb: just export to CSV and import the same | 08:18 |
| Riddell | in some sane order of fields | 08:18 |
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| mhb | Riddell: I don't quite get the import feature, though ... is it sensible to import anything when it should get the newest names from SVN? | 08:22 |
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| Riddell | mhb: I want to be able to edit this thing just as a simple text file | 08:30 |
| Riddell | the names in SVN won't change except through this database list | 08:30 |
| mhb | Riddell: yes, but no need to import it | 08:30 |
| mhb | Riddell: export is logical | 08:31 |
| Riddell | there is, so I can edit it and say there are your new names | 08:31 |
| mhb | Riddell: well my proposed solution would be to check SVN for the new names, wouldn't it? | 08:32 |
| Riddell | no, this needs to be planned | 08:32 |
| Riddell | I'm not going to do a bunch of svn mv oldname newname in the hope that it'll all end up making sense | 08:33 |
| mhb | ok | 08:33 |
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| mhb | Riddell: so it should not react to the changes on SVN? | 08:47 |
| Riddell | mhb: which changes in SVN? | 08:48 |
| mhb | Riddell: as the artists add new icons | 08:48 |
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| Riddell | as they add new icons now they should be with the old names, after the big switch they will be the new names which means following this list | 08:49 |
| Riddell | hi Zerlinna! | 08:49 |
| Zerlinna | hi Riddell :) | 08:50 |
| Riddell | Zerlinna: did you go to cologne? | 08:50 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: I wanted to but didn't have the time :-( | 08:51 |
| Riddell | Zerlinna: what was the exhibition you did a few weeks ago? | 08:51 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: rentre du libre at strasbourg (france) | 08:52 |
| Zerlinna | and before with the lug at the salon des associations | 08:52 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: is it normal that konqueror shows only /media /home and /tmp in the root folder at left (tree structure)? | 08:53 |
| Riddell | Zerlinna: that's a change we made in edgy, we'll get rid of it in feisty | 08:53 |
| Zerlinna | so is it a bug or a feature? :-D | 08:53 |
| Riddell | Zerlinna: you can empty /.hidden to make it go away | 08:53 |
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| Riddell | it's a feature that people don't like much :) | 08:54 |
| _Sime | Riddell: it didn't go down so well? | 08:54 |
| Riddell | _Sime: just the / | 08:54 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: lol | 08:54 |
| Riddell | _Sime: we'll keep the .hidden in /media that's fine | 08:54 |
| Riddell | _Sime: but we realised that the user never gets pointed towards / anyway, so the only people who go there are users who expect all their directories | 08:55 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: thanx for the "fix" :) | 08:55 |
| Riddell | Zerlinna: could you add a couple of sentences about the rentee and salon meetings to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue22 | 08:56 |
| _Sime | Riddell: mostly true. ;-) I still think that most of those directories in / serve little purpose in konq. | 08:57 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: Ok I'll do that :) | 08:57 |
| mhb | so that kioslave system:/ is going to stay? | 08:57 |
| _Sime | Riddell: someone mentioned an idea on a blog that it perhaps would be a nice compromise if the folders were "greyed out" or de-emphasised (sp?) in konq. | 08:58 |
| Riddell | _Sime: yes, greying out would be good | 08:58 |
| _Sime | mhb: edgy doesn't point people towards system:/. | 08:58 |
| _Sime | Riddell: this is already possible in konq. It is just a matter of configuration and .directory files. | 08:59 |
| _Sime | Riddell: in your own home directory you and select different icons for the directories. | 08:59 |
| _Sime | Riddell: this info is saved in a .directory file in the dir. | 08:59 |
| Riddell | hmm, so lots of .directory files in every non-important directory | 09:00 |
| _Sime | Riddell: you can do the same for /. | 09:00 |
| _Sime | Riddell: or leave /usr /bin etc as default blue, and select something brighter/better for /home and /media | 09:01 |
| Hawkwind | What's the purpose of hding them anyways. Why not just keep them visible at all times and save everyone from asking | 09:01 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: I think only for the rdl because the salon we only had a booth for the lug (and not especially for kubuntu) | 09:01 |
| mhb | too bad the hiding is not going to stay ... at least on my Czech blog it sparked a fairly large discussion with the outcome that this feature is really a step forward | 09:01 |
| _Sime | Hawkwind: 99% of the time those extra dirs are cruft. | 09:01 |
| Hawkwind | _Sime: I disagree | 09:02 |
| Riddell | _Sime: yeah, that would be cool | 09:02 |
| Hawkwind | IMO you shouldn't hide things from the user, that's a bit Window'ish in a lot of ways | 09:02 |
| _Sime | Riddell: you can try it out now if you like. | 09:02 |
| Hawkwind | The different colors would be good. But hiding them completely isn't good | 09:02 |
| _Sime | Hawkwind: dot-files in $HOME are hidden? is that windows-ish? | 09:03 |
| Riddell | it's mac-ish actually | 09:03 |
| Hawkwind | _Sime: It's been that way for years and years. What other distro hides the contents of / from the user ? | 09:03 |
| _Sime | different colours would be a good compromise/solution. | 09:03 |
| mhb | _Sime: not sure | 09:03 |
| Riddell | Windows ish is "you don't want to look here, unless you click this link", which is also perfectly valid | 09:03 |
| Hawkwind | _Sime: I do agree with the color idea | 09:03 |
| mhb | _Sime: the other dirs should not confuse the user | 09:04 |
| _Sime | just for the record, "greyed out" is probably not the best colour to use. | 09:04 |
| mhb | _Sime: but I still think they should be faded in a way | 09:05 |
| _Sime | my original motivation was not that is was confusing; just annoying. | 09:05 |
| _Sime | picking /home or /media out of a list of ~20 dirs is a PITA | 09:05 |
| _Sime | mhb: true, but grey means "disabled", which is not accurate. | 09:06 |
| fdoving | hmm.. where are the media specific automounter info stored? If I go to /media/USBSTICK rightclick -> properties -> mounter (or similar, translated on the fly) -> uncheck "automatically mount". It is still mounted when i unplug and plug back in. | 09:06 |
| mhb | _Sime: I see your point. Still, user should be easily able to distinguish between "the important" and the "not so important" | 09:07 |
| _Sime | an icon that meant "folder" + "uninteresting" would be good. | 09:07 |
| mhb | Riddell: I found your idea of translating directory names ("Desktop","/home", "/media") very cool. Would that be possible in Feisty? | 09:10 |
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| Riddell | mhb: I don't think it's currently possible, it would need someone to implement it | 09:12 |
| _Sime | what is this idea? | 09:13 |
| Riddell | to have translations in .directory files | 09:14 |
| Riddell | so Desktop would appear localised | 09:14 |
| Riddell | Name[fr] =Beuro | 09:14 |
| fdoving | pmount should support UUIDs in pmount.allow. | 09:15 |
| Riddell | and home and media | 09:15 |
| _Sime | Riddell: can't you just add some .desktop files to ~/Desktop? | 09:17 |
| Riddell | _Sime: like what? | 09:18 |
| _Sime | Riddell: you can put an icon on the desktop that acts like a link to a dir? can't ya? | 09:18 |
| Riddell | _Sime: that's not what I want. If I go to /home in konqueror I see "Desktop", it would be nice to have that localised | 09:20 |
| _Sime | yeah yeah. | 09:20 |
| Riddell | fdoving: ask pitti | 09:21 |
| fdoving | I will. | 09:27 |
| fdoving | wishlist bugreport. | 09:27 |
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| fdoving | anyone got a clue about my previous question: 'where are the media specific automounter info stored? If you for example uncheck automount in the properties -> mount of a device' | 09:53 |
| _Sime | dunno | 09:56 |
| jdong | lol | 09:57 |
| jdong | that's even worse than the GNOME "it's in gconf" copout | 09:57 |
| fdoving | well, it doesn't work anyway. | 09:59 |
| fdoving | a question was asked in #kubuntu about selective automounting. | 09:59 |
| jdong | ah | 09:59 |
| fdoving | 'I want to automount my usbthings, but not my ipod' | 09:59 |
| fdoving | that should be easy to do, but it's not. | 09:59 |
| jdong | mmm | 09:59 |
| jdong | beats me | 10:00 |
| jdong | I'd want to know if there was an answer too | 10:00 |
| jdong | (that doesn't involve diving into hal world) | 10:00 |
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| imbrandon | seele: sure ( sorry was afk ) | 10:11 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: you've got sms | 10:16 |
| nixternal | ;p | 10:16 |
| nixternal | i got kicked out of best buy for booting up a lappy on a 6.10 disc...i wanted to see if it would run it before i bought it | 10:17 |
| nixternal | the kid was helping me one minute and telling on me the next | 10:17 |
| imbrandon | gah , phone batterys dead, did you really sms me? | 10:17 |
| jdong | nixternal: hehe, I've gotten into trouble for that too | 10:18 |
| nixternal | ya | 10:18 |
| nixternal | kubuntu on a big big big screen | 10:19 |
| nixternal | before they kicked me out | 10:19 |
| jdong | nixternal: most of the local comp stores are really picky about that | 10:19 |
| jdong | nixternal: I was 30 minutes from purchasing a laptop, and I decided to fire up device manager to take an inventory | 10:19 |
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| jdong | nixternal: they walked over and told me to stop messing with the settings | 10:20 |
| pinheir0 | heya people | 10:20 |
| nixternal | circuit city let me play, best buy threw a fit | 10:20 |
| jdong | nixternal: worse for me, they always mistake me for a teenager trying to fool around with their systems | 10:20 |
| nixternal | amd64, 1440xsomething or other wide screen | 10:20 |
| nixternal | man... | 10:21 |
| jdong | :) | 10:21 |
| nixternal | oh well | 10:21 |
| jdong | nixternal: turion laptops can be a real bitch if you don't test them out first | 10:21 |
| jdong | nixternal: expecially since they started being ATI radeon xpress 200 fanboys | 10:21 |
| nixternal | haha jdong, me too | 10:22 |
| jdong | nixternal: I can't tell you how many friends I know who bought turions and now can't boot linux | 10:22 |
| nixternal | im 32, but look 18 | 10:22 |
| jdong | nixternal: I'm 18 and I look 18 :D | 10:22 |
| nixternal | except im 6'3 230 | 10:22 |
| nixternal | it was working like a champ | 10:22 |
| nixternal | ya | 10:22 |
| nixternal | that was the only downfall | 10:22 |
| jdong | it's just too bad | 10:23 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: your boy is messaging me again ;p | 10:23 |
| nixternal | lol | 10:24 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: hollah atcha boy! he is gonna be in your {red}neck of the woods tomorrow | 10:24 |
| imbrandon | ? | 10:25 |
| imbrandon | dude my phone is sooo dead and i havent dug out the charger, what number are you smsing | 10:25 |
| imbrandon | one sec lemme find my charger\ | 10:26 |
| imbrandon | nixternal: ok phone is on, no sms's so far | 10:28 |
| imbrandon | did you find a new toy or something ? | 10:28 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 10:28 |
| nixternal | 3757 | 10:28 |
| imbrandon | yea thats me | 10:28 |
| imbrandon | send again | 10:28 |
| imbrandon | my phone was off | 10:28 |
| nixternal | i already deleted the pic ;o | 10:29 |
| nixternal | hmm..wrong button | 10:29 |
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| fdoving | anyone available to sponsor an upload? -> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/schedutils/ | 11:30 |
| fdoving | for feisty. | 11:30 |
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| fdoving | imbrandon: ping. could you do a feisty upload for me please? - http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/schedutils/ | 11:51 |
| imbrandon | fdoving: sure give me a few minutes, got something else cooking, will do in about ~15 min | 11:55 |
| imbrandon | kk? | 11:55 |
| fdoving | sure :) | 11:55 |
| fdoving | i don't need it, it's for everyone else, I already have a local copy :) | 11:56 |
| fdoving | thanks :) | 11:56 |
| imbrandon | is theis a merge? or ? | 11:59 |
| imbrandon | this* | 11:59 |
| imbrandon | fdoving: done | 12:02 |
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