[12:23] <claydoh> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=299933&goto=newpost
[12:23] <claydoh> heh install only part of the desktop, and call it crippled
[12:24] <claydoh> now off to cook some pork chops for dinner (yum)
[12:28] <Riddell> ye gods
[12:34] <fdoving> nite.
[01:02] <pinheir0> hi guys
[01:04] <Riddell> yo yo pinheir0 
[01:04] <pinheir0> so Riddell wre are you?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> heya
[01:05] <pinheir0> back home?
[01:06] <pinheir0> loved your last blog :) cannoing .....
[01:06] <Riddell> pinheir0: still in San Francisco
[01:06] <pinheir0> how is that going?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you have a large axe handy?
[01:07] <pinheir0> hehehh
[01:07] <Riddell> pinheir0: no much of relevance to me happening, just doing my merges but in a hotel
[01:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what for?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: to use on my boss
[01:08] <Riddell> that sounds violent
[01:08] <pinheir0> hehehhe
[01:08] <pinheir0> sound motivational 
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: she's trying to run front end in the ground, and yelling at me in teh process
[01:08] <Riddell> don't talk to me about being motivational
[01:08] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:08] <Hobbsee> why so?
[01:09] <Riddell> the motivational guru we had to endure all afternoon on monday was god aweful
[01:09] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[01:09] <Hobbsee> i hate them too
[01:10] <pinheir0> hahhaha 
[01:10] <pinheir0> well some of the images on your blog seam prety motivational to me
[01:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: (front end being the part of the supermarket that i work in, of course)
[01:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: then you're just greatful for irc?
[01:11] <Hobbsee> or something else, to ignore hte motivational speaker?
[01:12] <Riddell> we didn't have laptop for the whole afternoon
[01:12] <pinheir0> that torture
[01:12] <Hobbsee> oh drat :(
[01:12] <Hobbsee> tha't snot nice
[01:12] <pinheir0> i bet there is somthing about that in the Geneber convention
[01:19] <Riddell> and it took me three tries to punch my bare fist through a flaming wooden board
[01:19] <Riddell> most of the officec staff managed it first try
[01:20] <Riddell> so I'mall demotivated now
[01:20] <Hobbsee> awww :(
[01:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that seems to just be encouraging violence.
[01:21] <Riddell> it is a bit close to that
[01:22] <Hobbsee> that being said, violence on the right people can be fun, as long as there's no violence back the other way :P
[01:28] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I agree
[01:29] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: heh.  what as, is the question
[01:30] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: other mundane retail job?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: heh.  apart from my boss, i have one of the most fun retail jobs.
[01:32] <Hobbsee> (as there are people to talk to)
[01:32] <Hobbsee> "yes, i'm doing my job, by talking to a customer for 10 mins.  it's called customer service"
[02:02] <Riddell> kdelibs compiled!
[02:03] <Riddell> kdebase seems to be heading that way
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yay!  for kde4?
[02:03] <Riddell> no, feisty kde 3
[02:03] <_nixternal> i seen some kde love going up earlier
[02:03] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[02:08] <_nixternal> the edgy live cds they sent the locos are buggered
[02:09] <Riddell> in what way?
[02:14] <_nixternal> it has the bugged system settings for display, user management, and disk management...but that fixes itself after installed and updated
[02:14] <_nixternal> another thing i get, is if i try to change the password running live, it says i have to wait more time
[02:14] <_nixternal> i thought i used a live cd last week and had no issue
[02:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon: when you're available could you have a look at backporting digikam from feisty to edgy ? this upload closes the bug #60703
[02:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60703 in digikam "[edgy]  digiKam - showfoto, conflicting files." [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60703
[02:59] <pinheir0> hi Tonio_
[02:59] <Tonio_> hey nuno :)
[03:00] <pinheir0> how are you doing
[03:00] <Tonio_> I didn't saw your blog post concerning my stomac problems :)
[03:00] <Jucato> wow! another KDE artist in here! :)
[03:00] <imbrandon> ok Tonio_
[03:00] <Tonio_> very fine, pretty cool :)
[03:00] <pinheir0> hehehhehe
[03:00] <imbrandon> heya nuno
[03:00] <pinheir0> hey brandon
[03:00] <Tonio_> you know what ? I had the same issue in the place
[03:00] <Tonio_> plane
[03:00] <pinheir0> hahahahahhahaaa
[03:00] <pinheir0> thats worst
[03:01] <pinheir0> o boy
[03:01] <imbrandon> Tonio_, from the bombs you were dropping i think you had them before
[03:01] <Tonio_> just from SF to cincinnati
[03:01] <Tonio_> it was okay between cincinnati and paris
[03:01] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hehe, indeed that's possible :)
[03:01] <pinheir0> still i can imgine peoples faces
[03:02] <Tonio_> pinheir0: so in fact I spent about 3 hours in the restroom in the plane.... nightmare
[03:02] <pinheir0> heheheheheheee
[03:02] <imbrandon> lol
[03:02] <Tonio_> now I'm back to france, not *any* fart for 3 days.......
[03:02] <Tonio_> american food is definitly not for me
[03:02] <seele> LOL
[03:02] <pinheir0> seams not
[03:02] <_nixternal> bug 66858 - anyone confirm that one speaking of digikam?
[03:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66858 in digikam "[Edgy]  Adding a Tag + Icon Crashes" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66858
[03:03] <_nixternal> that happens on everyone of my edgy installs
[03:03] <Tonio_> seele: yeah sorry for the high level of the discussion :)
[03:03] <pinheir0> yea
[03:03] <seele> haha, so funny
[03:03] <Tonio_> _nixternal: I'm trying to have a look, just a sec
[03:03] <seele> i dont eat "american" garbage, so maybe thats why i dont have farting problems :P
[03:03] <pinheir0> but there is no discution
[03:03] <imbrandon> Tonio_, hahaha and the americans said the same thing at UDS in paris :)
[03:03] <pinheir0> its a given fact that you fart like hell
[03:04] <seele> then again, legend has girls dont fart.  only way to find out is to get me a cheeseburger
[03:04] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the difference is that in paris the food was *really* bad
[03:04] <imbrandon> seele, hahahahaha
[03:04] <pinheir0> :P
[03:04] <seele> imbrandon: perhaps that is only an american joke, no one else got it :)
[03:04] <Tonio_> seele: my GF farts probably more and worse than me, but she doesn't in public :)
[03:05] <imbrandon> Tonio_, shhhh your not supose to let people know that :)
[03:05] <seele> Tonio_: hahaha, well maybe *thats* the difference 
[03:05] <imbrandon> seele, right on
[03:05] <Tonio_> only with my friends in fact since we are generally in perpetual fart competition
[03:05] <imbrandon> ROFLMAO
[03:05] <seele> i have to admit, my boyfriend convinced me to go to a nice fish restaurant for dinner and my stomach hasnt been right all night ;P
[03:05] <imbrandon> match made at burgur king
[03:05] <Tonio_> imbrandon: translation ?
[03:05] <pinheir0> ok that is more than i want to imagine
[03:06] <imbrandon> Tonio_, roflmao ? rolling on the floor laughing my ass off
[03:06] <Tonio_> pinheir0: lol
[03:06] <Tonio_> imbrandon: thanks :)
[03:06] <seele> Tonio_: ive heard rumors that girl farts are *worse* than guy farts, and thats why we dont fart in public!
[03:06] <Tonio_> seele: talking about my ex and actual gf, I can confirm
[03:06] <imbrandon> haha , how true, i can atest to that from my ex-wife
[03:07] <Tonio_> especially when there is no noise at all
[03:07] <pinheir0> thats mine
[03:07] <Tonio_> more vicious ones
[03:07] <seele> at least we have the common sense to retire to the restroom.. i cant tell you how horrible it is to walk past my boyfriend and nearly pass out
[03:07] <pinheir0> the non noisy ones
[03:07] <imbrandon> zomg, some one will make a qt fart gauge if we keep this up
[03:07] <pinheir0> loking over the sholder
[03:07] <seele> "did you fart?" "me? no.." "it smells like dead animals" "yeah.. that was me"
[03:07] <imbrandon> seele, HAHAHA
[03:07] <Tonio_> seele: yes, and 20 minutes after, when someones needs to go to the restroom.................
[03:08] <imbrandon> Tonio_, you ever walked into a female restroom? ZOMG
[03:08] <seele> pinheir0: SBD = silent, but deadly :)
[03:08] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes, it is completly AMAZING
[03:08] <pinheir0> hahahahaa
[03:08] <Tonio_> girls are dirty, really
[03:08] <imbrandon> but they play it off so wel;l
[03:08] <imbrandon> well*
[03:08] <seele> Tonio_: you still cant get enough of us tho :)
[03:09] <imbrandon> seele, exactly
[03:09] <seele> if girls are dirty, what the hell are men?  Pigs?
[03:09] <Tonio_> seele: hehe
[03:09] <imbrandon> dog, pigs, ummm
[03:09] <pinheir0> hoink no we are not hoink 
[03:09] <Tonio_> seele: well, my GF calls me "babe"
[03:09] <seele> men are very good at easily not smelling good :P
[03:09] <Tonio_> pig, but a cute baby one :)
[03:09] <seele> Tonio_: lol
[03:09] <imbrandon> lol Tonio_
[03:10] <Tonio_> I hate this.......
[03:10] <imbrandon> papa "babe" Tonio_
[03:10] <pinheir0> what a good conversation before going to bed
[03:10] <seele> hehe
[03:10] <pinheir0> giii
[03:10] <imbrandon> nerd pillow talk
[03:10] <pinheir0> hehhehee
[03:10] <pinheir0> btw just farted
[03:10] <seele> eewwww
[03:11] <imbrandon> ZOMG /me looks for the /kick
[03:11] <pinheir0> and off to bed i go
[03:11] <seele> l8r
[03:11] <imbrandon> woop cant do that anymore
[03:11] <Tonio_> pinheir0: now you know why edgy is more buggy than dapper........ we need to correct this
[03:11] <imbrandon> Tonio_, did i tell you they invited me to be freenode staff btw ?
[03:11] <Tonio_> let's talk about computers dudes !
[03:11] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hu ?
[03:11] <Jucato> _nixternal: I can confirm, but I think you don't need to add a Tag + Icon. even if you cancel the Add Tag dialog box, it crashes.
[03:12] <Tonio_> imbrandon: because you are connected 20h a day ?
[03:12] <Jucato> _nixternal: scratch the last part of the sentence...
[03:12] <Tonio_> imbrandon: that's pretty cool ;)
[03:12] <imbrandon> Tonio_, probably :)
[03:12] <Tonio_> imbrandon: if you get the rights, please delete that "Tonio" account, so that I can get it mine :)
[03:13] <Tonio_> it was before I quit and came back
[03:13] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i already have them, type "/stats p"
[03:13] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:13] <imbrandon> but i cant do that
[03:13] <Tonio_> imbrandon: are those privileges global ?
[03:13] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I was joking of course
[03:13] <imbrandon> yes , all of freenode
[03:14] <Tonio_> interesting :) strange but interesting
[03:14] <imbrandon> stats p , lists freenode staff connected
[03:14] <imbrandon> well connected and non idle
[03:14] <Tonio_> imbrandon: by "strange" I mean than I wonder why they choosed you between the 30000 guys connected
[03:14] <Tonio_> but that's cool
[03:15] <imbrandon> i dunno, maybe becouse i'm already on the ubuntu irc op team and am always arround
[03:15] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ah ! I didn't knew that you were on the irc team
[03:15] <imbrandon> and have proved myself , no idea, lilo and rob asked me before his accident, but i just got it this week
[03:15] <Tonio_> that explains indeed
[03:15] <imbrandon> i'm on lots of teams
[03:15] <imbrandon> https://launchpad.net/people/imbrandon
[03:15] <imbrandon> :)
[03:16] <Tonio_> https://launchpad.net/people/tonio
[03:16] <imbrandon> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-irc
[03:16] <Tonio_> okay you win..........
[03:16] <_nixternal> Jucato: i like using my icons when tagging
[03:16] <Tonio_> I am defeated ;)
[03:16] <imbrandon> Tonio_, haha almost the same ammount :)
[03:16] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I'd be interested i getting the rights to approve backports eventually
[03:16] <Tonio_> that would help since I'm maintaining lots of packages....
[03:16] <imbrandon> Tonio_, kk
[03:16] <Jucato> _nixternal: I'll confirm the bug report. do I need to add a bugtrace too?
[03:17] <Tonio_> it is sometimes frustrating to fix only in the current dev version some critical tings
[03:17] <Tonio_> imbrandon: how to get those privileges ? 
[03:17] <imbrandon> well critical bugs are better fixed via the SRU team not backports
[03:17] <Tonio_> imbrandon: well digikam is not "critical" but a very annoying thing
[03:17] <imbrandon> becouse backports isnt on by default and not supported etc , so not everyuone gets them
[03:17] <Tonio_> packaging error happens sometimes
[03:17] <imbrandon> but -updates everyone gets
[03:18] <Tonio_> yes but a packaging issue will generally be resolved by a backport
[03:18] <imbrandon> right packageing errors are better for SRU not backports
[03:18] <imbrandon> no
[03:18] <imbrandon> thats a misconception
[03:18] <Tonio_> imbrandon: okay but if a new upstream release closes a critical thing ;)
[03:19] <imbrandon> well the "best" way is to cherry pick the fix for SRU, backport is really a last resort
[03:19] <Tonio_> I should subscribe to the "sponsor for main" and universe teams too
[03:19] <imbrandon> anyhow just have jdong add you to the backports team
[03:19] <imbrandon> but before you do learn the diffrence between what should be in -updates and -backports and -security
[03:20] <imbrandon> other than that your golden
[03:20] <Tonio_> imbrandon: bah backports/update is clear I think....
[03:20] <Tonio_> backports is for new upstream release only
[03:20] <Tonio_> security/update.........
[03:21] <Tonio_> I must say sometimes I don't see the point
[03:21] <imbrandon> right but major problems that can be fixed by cherry pickeing fixes is much better in -updates
[03:21] <Tonio_> they could be merged in my opinion
[03:21] <imbrandon> no they cant
[03:21] <imbrandon> they are very diffrent
[03:21] <imbrandon> -updates is on by default and 8 million people will get it 
[03:21] <imbrandon> -backports is not
[03:21] <imbrandon> and also not suppoorted
[03:21] <Tonio_> I'm talking abourt security/updates
[03:22] <imbrandon> and also no distention against universe and main in -backports
[03:22] <imbrandon> well security gets pushed through the buildd's faster is why
[03:22] <imbrandon> its seperate
[03:22] <imbrandon> also they arent announced on public ML etc
[03:23] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes but technically they could be merged
[03:23] <Tonio_> I mean an update for "security reasons" is a update :)
[03:23] <imbrandon> no , not really, not without a major overhaul of soyuz
[03:23] <Tonio_> but yes I understand the point
[03:23] <Tonio_> I will look at that carrefully
[03:24] <Tonio_> I generally focus only on the dev version so the update/security policy is something I don't know in details
[03:24] <imbrandon> :)
[03:24] <Tonio_> I use edgy on my machine for 6 month for example :)
[03:24] <imbrandon> right thats why i said your golden as far as the technical end, but look at the reasons for other things :)
[03:25] <Tonio_> that explains why the "current" state of the stable release is unknow to me :)
[03:25] <imbrandon> i'm on feisty now :)
[03:25] <Tonio_> imbrandon: does it work ?
[03:25] <imbrandon> yup, the real fun starts next week, but works fine for the moment, i always ride the dev versions out
[03:25] <Tonio_> imbrandon: you should have lost most of kde settings no ?
[03:26] <Tonio_> inless you have changed a lot of things
[03:26] <Tonio_> since I renamed the konqueror profile :)
[03:26] <imbrandon> i dident loose anything iirc
[03:26] <Tonio_> I have to provide a link to avoid the error for those who don't change the defaults at all
[03:29] <imbrandon> Sysinfo for 'horatio': Linux 2.6.17-10-386 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), HD: 56/328GB, RAM: 937/1003MB, 123 proc's, 22.43h up
[03:30] <imbrandon> hrm
[03:30] <imbrandon> wrong kernel
[03:30] <imbrandon> wonder why it dident update
[03:31] <_nixternal> imbrandon: it doesn't upgrade automatically, you have to do it manually after the fact
[03:31] <_nixternal> i did the same thing yesterday and did a wtf
[03:31] <imbrandon> it /should/ as part of the linux-generic meta package
[03:31] <imbrandon> thats the reason for it
[03:32] <imbrandon> seems to be a bug
[03:36] <_nixternal> imbrandon: do you have a link to the irssi script that Seveas has for admin stuff?
[03:36] <_nixternal> i want to kill someone, quick and painlessly
[03:36] <_nixternal> actually, i want it to hurt
[03:36] <imbrandon> Seveas, is for xchat not irssi
[03:37] <_nixternal> nalioth has the irssi one then?
[03:37] <imbrandon> you'll have to poke nalioth for the irssi one, if he gives it out etc
[03:37] <_nixternal> ok, nevermind on that one then
[03:47] <_nixternal> imbrandon: do you remember if it is /ak or /abk when i want to nuke someone?
[03:51] <ajmitch> imbrandon: it's a 'bug' because it's not really a general replacement for 2.6.17 yet
[03:51] <ajmitch> still missing some modules
[07:26] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_ 
[07:26] <Hobbsee> Tonio___ too
[07:26] <Jucato> 
[07:27] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[07:27] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[07:32] <imbrandon> Riddell: ping
[07:43] <Riddell> h im
[07:43] <Riddell> hi imbrandon 
[07:44] <Tonio___> hey Hobbsee
[07:44] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell 
[07:44] <Tonio___> Riddell: I was just trying to build kdebindings 3.5.5
[07:45] <Tonio___> Riddell: it looks like there is an issue I didn't have one month ago when I did the package.......
[07:45] <Tonio___> probably related to qt4.2 or something
[07:45] <Tonio___> I tried to build the debian package also, same problem
[07:46] <Riddell> kdebindings shouldn't do anything with qt 4.2
[07:46] <Riddell> it's kde 3 only
[07:46] <Tonio_> ./qtjava/.libs/libqtjava.so: undefined reference to `QAuServer::tr(char const*, char const*)'
[07:47] <Tonio_> hum true :) I'm tired sorry
[07:47] <Tonio_> the point is I don't know what to do with this
[07:48] <Riddell> I seem to remember debian also gave up
[07:48] <Riddell> but might be worth checking if they managed with kde 3.5.5
[07:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: bah this is the debian package........ I assume it build on debian
[07:48] <Riddell> but I'd have no objections to not bothering with qt/kde java
[07:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: this is the 3.5.5 package from debian
[07:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also tried to upgrade the edgy package on my own, same problem
[07:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay so I can patch to avoid building this ? interesting
[08:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum... the edgy package ftbfs on edgy too with the same error.... I'll try to investigate
[08:04] <imbrandon> Riddell: i'm working on the UWN right now as the token kde guy, we're about to push it out
[08:04] <imbrandon> got somthing to add?
[08:05] <Riddell> imbrandon: point to sebas and seele's blogs
[08:05] <imbrandon> k i have seele's link got sebas's ?
[08:05] <Riddell> imbrandon: and say what rocking specs we have
[08:05] <Riddell> vizzzion.org
[08:05] <imbrandon> kk
[08:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you were working on wengophone, werent you?
[08:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes but the QT4.2 issue is not resolved at this point
[08:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the package builds, but the UI doesn't appear (although the software doesn't crash)
[08:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we have to wait........
[08:06] <Tonio_> omg........ 8 am here.......
[08:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: stevenk wants to know if you want to merge the version from debian, or do you have stuff to add?
[08:07] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll probably add stuff to add
[08:07] <Tonio_> what is the debian version ?
[08:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no idea, ask stevenk
[08:08] <Tonio_> hum... it will not work for ubuntu anyway.... but if debian has a package let's use this one...
[08:08] <Tonio_> the point is I packaged it long before debian.... I don't understand why he didn't contact me before
[08:09] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm looking at his package
[08:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i've sent this stuff to stevenk, he'll get in contact with you soonish
[08:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay :)
[08:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it looks that the packaging is completly different, indeed
[08:14] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: in fact wengophone as 2 build systems, scons or cmake
[08:14] <Tonio_> I use scons and he uses cmake hehe :)
[08:42] <imbrandon> Riddell: whats nuno's last name ?
[08:43] <Jucato> pinheiro (afaik)
[08:52] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yup that's it
[08:52] <imbrandon> :)
[08:53] <imbrandon> just kidding
[08:53] <Tonio_> lol
[09:08] <imbrandon> erg
[09:08] <imbrandon> kwwii's last name Weimer ?
[09:08] <imbrandon> Riddell: / Tonio_  / someone ?
[09:09] <Jucato> imbrandon: Kenneth Wimer
[09:10] <Tonio_> wimmer
[09:10] <Jucato> Tonio_: the one on his blogs are a typo?
[09:26] <imbrandon> extra extra , read all the gossip, UWN 21 is out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue21
[09:39] <\sh> moins
[09:40] <Jucato> yay! kwwii and nuno will be working together for Feisty! Artwork is so going to rock! :)
[09:43] <\sh> sebas: pingelin dude...who I know is at the linuxworld expo kde booth? ;)
[09:45] <sebas> Torsten?
[09:45] <sebas> Hi \sh 
[09:46] <sebas> Eva might also be around there
[09:46] <\sh> sebas: torsten rahn you mean...I have to call him anyways because of amu..
[09:47] <sebas> Aye, do you have his number?
[09:47] <sebas> (Because I might have it, or not.)
[09:47] <\sh> sebas: yepp, amu gave me his :)
[09:47] <sebas> Cool
[09:48] <sebas> back in ~30' or so
[09:50] <\sh> ok...time to leave this place and travel to cologne-deutz ....
[09:50] <\sh> cu later 
[12:34] <Hobbsee> hey all
[02:34] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[03:45] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:46] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:46] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[03:55] <jdong> hmm, can konsole do the gnome-terminal trick where new tabs open in the cwd of the old tab?
[05:21] <mhb> Lure: ping
[05:22] <Lure> mhb: pong
[05:22] <mhb> Lure: the last time I pinged you, I asked you about the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyNetworking
[05:23] <Lure> mhb: what was the question?
[05:23] <mhb> Lure: I think you wrote that "knetworkmanager will provide enough info" 
[05:23] <mhb> Lure: and I wanted to know what you mean by that
[05:24] <mhb> Lure: Will it write when my wireless/wired connection gets interrupted/gets back on?
[05:24] <Lure> mhb: SuSE has patches to detect network status through network manager (dbus)
[05:25] <Lure> mhb: we will review these patches for potential inclusion in Feisty
[05:26] <mhb> Lure: is the status then visible to the user? and how?
[05:27] <Lure> mhb: it is not about making status visible (this is what knetworkmanager already does), but about making kopete/kmail avare about nework status
[05:29] <Lure> fdoving: in what sense "unprofessional
[05:31] <fdoving> Lure: like for example to scan for a network, first i have to click scan to bring up the 'scan results' window. then I have to click 'scan' again, to actually scan. the capitalization is inconsistent. etc.
[05:32] <fdoving> that's my feeling anyway. I'm totaly pro using wpa_supplicant though. it rocks.
[05:32] <fdoving> even for non encrypted network, and wep.
[05:33] <mhb> Lure: ok, thanks
[05:35] <fdoving> and also.. creating two systray icons, one for kwlan-the-program, and one for each device after that.. is unnecessary imo.
[05:35] <fdoving> two+ icons.
[05:36] <fdoving> you can always hide one, and remove the monitoring of unwanted devices, but it'll still require users to actually do that.
[06:06] <Mez> debbug 394534
[06:16] <Mez> main uploaders: ping regarding upload of re-libtooled katapult
[06:44] <seele> imbrandon: nice article.. can i use some of it in a colo talk?
[08:08] <mhb> Riddell: when you'll be here, can you describe the "text import/export feature" of the Oxygen comparison chart you wanted?
[08:18] <Riddell> mhb: just export to CSV and import the same
[08:18] <Riddell> in some sane order of fields
[08:22] <mhb> Riddell: I don't quite get the import feature, though ... is it sensible to import anything when it should get the newest names from SVN?
[08:30] <Riddell> mhb: I want to be able to edit this thing just as a simple text file
[08:30] <Riddell> the names in SVN won't change except through this database list
[08:30] <mhb> Riddell: yes, but no need to import it
[08:31] <mhb> Riddell: export is logical
[08:31] <Riddell> there is, so I can edit it and say there are your new names
[08:32] <mhb> Riddell: well my proposed solution would be to check SVN for the new names, wouldn't it?
[08:32] <Riddell> no, this needs to be planned
[08:33] <Riddell> I'm not going to do a bunch of svn mv oldname newname in the hope that it'll all end up making sense
[08:33] <mhb> ok
[08:47] <mhb> Riddell: so it should not react to the changes on SVN?
[08:48] <Riddell> mhb: which changes in SVN?
[08:48] <mhb> Riddell: as the artists add new icons
[08:49] <Riddell> as they add new icons now they should be with the old names, after the big switch they will be the new names which means following this list
[08:49] <Riddell> hi Zerlinna!
[08:50] <Zerlinna> hi Riddell  :)
[08:50] <Riddell> Zerlinna: did you go to cologne?
[08:51] <Zerlinna> Riddell: I wanted to but didn't have the time :-(
[08:51] <Riddell> Zerlinna: what was the exhibition you did a few weeks ago?
[08:52] <Zerlinna> Riddell: rentre du libre at strasbourg (france)
[08:52] <Zerlinna> and before with the lug at the salon des associations
[08:53] <Zerlinna> Riddell: is it normal that konqueror shows only /media /home and /tmp in the root folder at left (tree structure)?
[08:53] <Riddell> Zerlinna: that's a change we made in edgy, we'll get rid of it in feisty
[08:53] <Zerlinna> so is it a bug or a feature? :-D
[08:53] <Riddell> Zerlinna: you can empty /.hidden to make it go away
[08:54] <Riddell> it's a feature that people don't like much :)
[08:54] <_Sime> Riddell: it didn't go down so well?
[08:54] <Riddell> _Sime: just the /
[08:54] <Zerlinna> Riddell: lol
[08:54] <Riddell> _Sime: we'll keep the .hidden in /media that's fine
[08:55] <Riddell> _Sime: but we realised that the user never gets pointed towards / anyway, so the only people who go there are users who expect all their directories
[08:55] <Zerlinna> Riddell: thanx for the "fix" :)
[08:56] <Riddell> Zerlinna: could you add a couple of sentences about the rentee and salon meetings to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue22
[08:57] <_Sime> Riddell: mostly true. ;-) I still think that most of those directories in / serve little purpose in konq.
[08:57] <Zerlinna> Riddell: Ok I'll do that :)
[08:57] <mhb> so that kioslave system:/ is going to stay?
[08:58] <_Sime> Riddell: someone mentioned an idea on a blog that it perhaps would be a nice compromise if the folders were "greyed out" or de-emphasised (sp?) in konq.
[08:58] <Riddell> _Sime: yes, greying out would be good
[08:58] <_Sime> mhb: edgy doesn't point people towards system:/.
[08:59] <_Sime> Riddell: this is already possible in konq. It is just a matter of configuration and .directory files.
[08:59] <_Sime> Riddell: in your own home directory you and select different icons for the directories.
[08:59] <_Sime> Riddell: this info is saved in a .directory file in the dir.
[09:00] <Riddell> hmm, so lots of .directory files in every non-important directory
[09:00] <_Sime> Riddell: you can do the same for /.
[09:01] <_Sime> Riddell: or leave /usr /bin etc as default blue, and select something brighter/better for /home and /media
[09:01] <Hawkwind> What's the purpose of hding them anyways.  Why not just keep them visible at all times and save everyone from asking
[09:01] <Zerlinna> Riddell: I think only for the rdl because the salon we only had a booth for the lug (and not especially for kubuntu)
[09:01] <mhb> too bad the hiding is not going to stay ... at least on my Czech blog it sparked a fairly large discussion with the outcome that this feature is really a step forward
[09:01] <_Sime> Hawkwind: 99% of the time those extra dirs are cruft.
[09:02] <Hawkwind> _Sime: I disagree
[09:02] <Riddell> _Sime: yeah, that would be cool
[09:02] <Hawkwind> IMO you shouldn't hide things from the user, that's a bit Window'ish in a lot of ways
[09:02] <_Sime> Riddell: you can try it out now if you like.
[09:02] <Hawkwind> The different colors would be good.  But hiding them completely isn't good
[09:03] <_Sime> Hawkwind:  dot-files in $HOME are hidden? is that windows-ish?
[09:03] <Riddell> it's mac-ish actually
[09:03] <Hawkwind> _Sime: It's been that way for years and years.  What other distro hides the contents of / from the user ?
[09:03] <_Sime> different colours would be a good compromise/solution.
[09:03] <mhb> _Sime: not sure
[09:03] <Riddell> Windows ish is "you don't want to look here, unless you click this link", which is also perfectly valid
[09:03] <Hawkwind> _Sime: I do agree with the color idea
[09:04] <mhb> _Sime: the other dirs should not confuse the user
[09:04] <_Sime> just for the record, "greyed out" is probably not the best colour to use.
[09:05] <mhb> _Sime: but I still think they should be faded in a way
[09:05] <_Sime> my original motivation was not that is was confusing; just annoying.
[09:05] <_Sime> picking /home or /media out of a list of ~20 dirs is a PITA
[09:06] <_Sime> mhb: true, but grey means "disabled", which is not accurate.
[09:06] <fdoving> hmm.. where are the media specific automounter info stored? If I go to /media/USBSTICK rightclick -> properties -> mounter (or similar, translated on the fly) -> uncheck "automatically mount". It is still mounted when i unplug and plug back in.
[09:07] <mhb> _Sime: I see your point. Still, user should be easily able to distinguish between "the important" and the "not so important" 
[09:07] <_Sime> an icon that meant "folder" + "uninteresting" would be good.
[09:10] <mhb> Riddell: I found your idea of translating directory names ("Desktop","/home", "/media") very cool. Would that be possible in Feisty?
[09:12] <Riddell> mhb: I don't think it's currently possible, it would need someone to implement it
[09:13] <_Sime> what is this idea?
[09:14] <Riddell> to have translations in .directory files
[09:14] <Riddell> so Desktop would appear localised
[09:14] <Riddell> Name[fr] =Beuro
[09:15] <fdoving> pmount should support UUIDs in pmount.allow.
[09:15] <Riddell> and home and media
[09:17] <_Sime> Riddell: can't you just add some .desktop files to ~/Desktop?
[09:18] <Riddell> _Sime: like what?
[09:18] <_Sime> Riddell: you can put an icon on the desktop that acts like a link to a dir? can't ya?
[09:20] <Riddell> _Sime: that's not what I want.  If I go to /home in konqueror I see "Desktop", it would be nice to have that localised
[09:20] <_Sime> yeah yeah.
[09:21] <Riddell> fdoving: ask pitti
[09:27] <fdoving> I will.
[09:27] <fdoving> wishlist bugreport.
[09:53] <fdoving> anyone got a clue about my previous question: 'where are the media specific automounter info stored? If you for example uncheck automount in the properties -> mount of a device'
[09:56] <_Sime> dunno
[09:57] <jdong> lol
[09:57] <jdong> that's even worse than the GNOME "it's in gconf" copout
[09:59] <fdoving> well, it doesn't work anyway.
[09:59] <fdoving> a question was asked in #kubuntu about selective automounting.
[09:59] <jdong> ah
[09:59] <fdoving> 'I want to automount my usbthings, but not my ipod'
[09:59] <fdoving> that should be easy to do, but it's not.
[09:59] <jdong> mmm
[10:00] <jdong> beats me
[10:00] <jdong> I'd want to know if there was an answer too
[10:00] <jdong> (that doesn't involve diving into hal world)
[10:11] <imbrandon> seele: sure ( sorry was afk )
[10:16] <nixternal> imbrandon: you've got sms
[10:16] <nixternal> ;p
[10:17] <nixternal> i got kicked out of best buy for booting up a lappy on a 6.10 disc...i wanted to see if it would run it before i bought it
[10:17] <nixternal> the kid was helping me one minute and telling on me the next
[10:17] <imbrandon> gah , phone batterys dead, did you really sms me?
[10:18] <jdong> nixternal: hehe, I've gotten into trouble for that too
[10:18] <nixternal> ya
[10:19] <nixternal> kubuntu on a big big big screen 
[10:19] <nixternal> before they kicked me out
[10:19] <jdong> nixternal: most of the local comp stores are really picky about that
[10:19] <jdong> nixternal: I was 30 minutes from purchasing a laptop, and I decided to fire up device manager to take an inventory
[10:20] <jdong> nixternal: they walked over and told me to stop messing with the settings
[10:20] <pinheir0> heya people
[10:20] <nixternal> circuit city let me play, best buy threw a fit
[10:20] <jdong> nixternal: worse for me, they always mistake me for a teenager trying to fool around with their systems
[10:20] <nixternal> amd64, 1440xsomething or other wide screen
[10:21] <nixternal> man...
[10:21] <jdong> :)
[10:21] <nixternal> oh well
[10:21] <jdong> nixternal: turion laptops can be a real bitch if you don't test them out first
[10:21] <jdong> nixternal: expecially since they started being ATI radeon xpress 200 fanboys
[10:22] <nixternal> haha jdong, me too
[10:22] <jdong> nixternal: I can't tell you how many friends I know who bought turions and now can't boot linux
[10:22] <nixternal> im 32, but look 18
[10:22] <jdong> nixternal: I'm 18 and I look 18 :D
[10:22] <nixternal> except im 6'3 230
[10:22] <nixternal> it was working like a champ
[10:22] <nixternal> ya
[10:22] <nixternal> that was the only downfall
[10:23] <jdong> it's just too bad
[10:23] <nixternal> imbrandon: your boy is messaging me again ;p
[10:24] <nixternal> lol
[10:24] <nixternal> imbrandon: hollah atcha boy! he is gonna be in your {red}neck of the woods tomorrow
[10:25] <imbrandon> ?
[10:25] <imbrandon> dude my phone is sooo dead and i havent dug out the charger, what number are you smsing
[10:26] <imbrandon> one sec lemme find my charger\
[10:28] <imbrandon> nixternal: ok phone is on, no sms's so far
[10:28] <imbrandon> did you find a new toy or something ?
[10:28] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:28] <nixternal> 3757
[10:28] <imbrandon> yea thats me
[10:28] <imbrandon> send again
[10:28] <imbrandon> my phone was off
[10:29] <nixternal> i already deleted the pic ;o
[10:29] <nixternal> hmm..wrong button
[11:30] <fdoving> anyone available to sponsor an upload? -> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/schedutils/
[11:30] <fdoving> for feisty.
[11:51] <fdoving> imbrandon: ping. could you do a feisty upload for me please? - http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/schedutils/ 
[11:55] <imbrandon> fdoving: sure give me a few minutes, got something else cooking, will do in about ~15 min
[11:55] <imbrandon> kk?
[11:55] <fdoving> sure :)
[11:56] <fdoving> i don't need it, it's for everyone else, I already have a local copy :)
[11:56] <fdoving> thanks :)
[11:59] <imbrandon> is theis a merge? or ?
[11:59] <imbrandon> this*
[12:02] <imbrandon> fdoving: done