[12:23] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=299933&goto=newpost [12:23] heh install only part of the desktop, and call it crippled [12:24] now off to cook some pork chops for dinner (yum) [12:28] ye gods === goldenear [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:34] nite. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:02] hi guys [01:04] yo yo pinheir0 [01:04] so Riddell wre are you? [01:04] heya [01:05] back home? [01:06] loved your last blog :) cannoing ..... [01:06] pinheir0: still in San Francisco [01:06] how is that going? [01:07] Riddell: do you have a large axe handy? [01:07] hehehh [01:07] pinheir0: no much of relevance to me happening, just doing my merges but in a hotel [01:07] Hobbsee: what for? [01:07] Riddell: to use on my boss [01:08] that sounds violent [01:08] hehehhe [01:08] sound motivational [01:08] Riddell: she's trying to run front end in the ground, and yelling at me in teh process [01:08] don't talk to me about being motivational [01:08] hehe [01:08] why so? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:09] the motivational guru we had to endure all afternoon on monday was god aweful [01:09] hahaha [01:09] i hate them too [01:10] hahhaha [01:10] well some of the images on your blog seam prety motivational to me [01:11] Riddell: (front end being the part of the supermarket that i work in, of course) [01:11] Riddell: then you're just greatful for irc? [01:11] or something else, to ignore hte motivational speaker? [01:12] we didn't have laptop for the whole afternoon [01:12] that torture [01:12] oh drat :( [01:12] tha't snot nice [01:12] i bet there is somthing about that in the Geneber convention === Hobbsee cant spell today - freezing cold [01:19] and it took me three tries to punch my bare fist through a flaming wooden board [01:19] most of the officec staff managed it first try [01:20] so I'mall demotivated now [01:20] awww :( [01:20] Riddell: that seems to just be encouraging violence. [01:21] it is a bit close to that [01:22] that being said, violence on the right people can be fun, as long as there's no violence back the other way :P === Hobbsee can still hear the boss yelling at her over the phone, a bit. Dont yell at me for something i didnt do, boss! === Hobbsee needs another job :P [01:28] Hobbsee: I agree [01:29] ajmitch: heh. what as, is the question [01:30] Hobbsee: other mundane retail job? [01:32] ajmitch: heh. apart from my boss, i have one of the most fun retail jobs. [01:32] (as there are people to talk to) [01:32] "yes, i'm doing my job, by talking to a customer for 10 mins. it's called customer service" === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180110076.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.76.170] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:02] kdelibs compiled! [02:03] kdebase seems to be heading that way [02:03] Riddell: yay! for kde4? [02:03] no, feisty kde 3 [02:03] <_nixternal> i seen some kde love going up earlier [02:03] ahhh === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.178.33] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:08] <_nixternal> the edgy live cds they sent the locos are buggered [02:09] in what way? [02:14] <_nixternal> it has the bugged system settings for display, user management, and disk management...but that fixes itself after installed and updated [02:14] <_nixternal> another thing i get, is if i try to change the password running live, it says i have to wait more time [02:14] <_nixternal> i thought i used a live cd last week and had no issue === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === PascalFR [n=PascalFr@pcpc.vmfacility.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:59] imbrandon: when you're available could you have a look at backporting digikam from feisty to edgy ? this upload closes the bug #60703 [02:59] Malone bug 60703 in digikam "[edgy] digiKam - showfoto, conflicting files." [Medium,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/60703 [02:59] hi Tonio_ [02:59] hey nuno :) [03:00] how are you doing [03:00] I didn't saw your blog post concerning my stomac problems :) [03:00] wow! another KDE artist in here! :) [03:00] ok Tonio_ [03:00] very fine, pretty cool :) [03:00] hehehhehe [03:00] heya nuno [03:00] hey brandon [03:00] you know what ? I had the same issue in the place [03:00] plane [03:00] hahahahahhahaaa [03:00] thats worst [03:01] o boy [03:01] Tonio_, from the bombs you were dropping i think you had them before [03:01] just from SF to cincinnati [03:01] it was okay between cincinnati and paris [03:01] imbrandon: hehe, indeed that's possible :) [03:01] still i can imgine peoples faces [03:02] pinheir0: so in fact I spent about 3 hours in the restroom in the plane.... nightmare [03:02] heheheheheheee [03:02] lol [03:02] now I'm back to france, not *any* fart for 3 days....... [03:02] american food is definitly not for me [03:02] LOL [03:02] seams not [03:02] <_nixternal> bug 66858 - anyone confirm that one speaking of digikam? [03:02] Malone bug 66858 in digikam "[Edgy] Adding a Tag + Icon Crashes" [Medium,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66858 [03:03] <_nixternal> that happens on everyone of my edgy installs [03:03] seele: yeah sorry for the high level of the discussion :) [03:03] yea [03:03] haha, so funny [03:03] _nixternal: I'm trying to have a look, just a sec [03:03] i dont eat "american" garbage, so maybe thats why i dont have farting problems :P [03:03] but there is no discution [03:03] Tonio_, hahaha and the americans said the same thing at UDS in paris :) [03:03] its a given fact that you fart like hell [03:04] then again, legend has girls dont fart. only way to find out is to get me a cheeseburger [03:04] imbrandon: the difference is that in paris the food was *really* bad [03:04] seele, hahahahaha [03:04] :P [03:04] imbrandon: perhaps that is only an american joke, no one else got it :) [03:04] seele: my GF farts probably more and worse than me, but she doesn't in public :) [03:05] Tonio_, shhhh your not supose to let people know that :) [03:05] Tonio_: hahaha, well maybe *thats* the difference [03:05] seele, right on [03:05] only with my friends in fact since we are generally in perpetual fart competition [03:05] ROFLMAO [03:05] i have to admit, my boyfriend convinced me to go to a nice fish restaurant for dinner and my stomach hasnt been right all night ;P [03:05] match made at burgur king [03:05] imbrandon: translation ? [03:05] ok that is more than i want to imagine [03:06] Tonio_, roflmao ? rolling on the floor laughing my ass off [03:06] pinheir0: lol [03:06] imbrandon: thanks :) [03:06] Tonio_: ive heard rumors that girl farts are *worse* than guy farts, and thats why we dont fart in public! [03:06] seele: talking about my ex and actual gf, I can confirm [03:06] haha , how true, i can atest to that from my ex-wife [03:07] especially when there is no noise at all [03:07] thats mine [03:07] more vicious ones [03:07] at least we have the common sense to retire to the restroom.. i cant tell you how horrible it is to walk past my boyfriend and nearly pass out [03:07] the non noisy ones [03:07] zomg, some one will make a qt fart gauge if we keep this up [03:07] loking over the sholder [03:07] "did you fart?" "me? no.." "it smells like dead animals" "yeah.. that was me" [03:07] seele, HAHAHA [03:07] seele: yes, and 20 minutes after, when someones needs to go to the restroom................. [03:08] Tonio_, you ever walked into a female restroom? ZOMG [03:08] pinheir0: SBD = silent, but deadly :) [03:08] imbrandon: yes, it is completly AMAZING [03:08] hahahahaa [03:08] girls are dirty, really [03:08] but they play it off so wel;l [03:08] well* [03:08] Tonio_: you still cant get enough of us tho :) [03:09] seele, exactly [03:09] if girls are dirty, what the hell are men? Pigs? [03:09] seele: hehe [03:09] dog, pigs, ummm [03:09] hoink no we are not hoink [03:09] seele: well, my GF calls me "babe" [03:09] men are very good at easily not smelling good :P [03:09] pig, but a cute baby one :) [03:09] Tonio_: lol [03:09] lol Tonio_ [03:10] I hate this....... [03:10] papa "babe" Tonio_ [03:10] what a good conversation before going to bed [03:10] hehe [03:10] giii [03:10] nerd pillow talk [03:10] hehhehee [03:10] btw just farted [03:10] eewwww [03:11] ZOMG /me looks for the /kick [03:11] and off to bed i go [03:11] l8r [03:11] woop cant do that anymore [03:11] pinheir0: now you know why edgy is more buggy than dapper........ we need to correct this [03:11] Tonio_, did i tell you they invited me to be freenode staff btw ? [03:11] let's talk about computers dudes ! [03:11] imbrandon: hu ? [03:11] _nixternal: I can confirm, but I think you don't need to add a Tag + Icon. even if you cancel the Add Tag dialog box, it crashes. [03:12] imbrandon: because you are connected 20h a day ? [03:12] _nixternal: scratch the last part of the sentence... [03:12] imbrandon: that's pretty cool ;) [03:12] Tonio_, probably :) [03:12] imbrandon: if you get the rights, please delete that "Tonio" account, so that I can get it mine :) [03:13] it was before I quit and came back [03:13] Tonio_, i already have them, type "/stats p" [03:13] hehe [03:13] but i cant do that [03:13] imbrandon: are those privileges global ? [03:13] imbrandon: I was joking of course [03:13] yes , all of freenode [03:14] interesting :) strange but interesting [03:14] stats p , lists freenode staff connected [03:14] well connected and non idle [03:14] imbrandon: by "strange" I mean than I wonder why they choosed you between the 30000 guys connected [03:14] but that's cool [03:15] i dunno, maybe becouse i'm already on the ubuntu irc op team and am always arround [03:15] imbrandon: ah ! I didn't knew that you were on the irc team [03:15] and have proved myself , no idea, lilo and rob asked me before his accident, but i just got it this week [03:15] that explains indeed [03:15] i'm on lots of teams [03:15] https://launchpad.net/people/imbrandon [03:15] :) [03:16] https://launchpad.net/people/tonio [03:16] https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-irc [03:16] okay you win.......... [03:16] <_nixternal> Jucato: i like using my icons when tagging [03:16] I am defeated ;) [03:16] Tonio_, haha almost the same ammount :) [03:16] imbrandon: I'd be interested i getting the rights to approve backports eventually [03:16] that would help since I'm maintaining lots of packages.... [03:16] Tonio_, kk [03:16] _nixternal: I'll confirm the bug report. do I need to add a bugtrace too? [03:17] it is sometimes frustrating to fix only in the current dev version some critical tings [03:17] imbrandon: how to get those privileges ? [03:17] well critical bugs are better fixed via the SRU team not backports [03:17] imbrandon: well digikam is not "critical" but a very annoying thing [03:17] becouse backports isnt on by default and not supported etc , so not everyuone gets them [03:17] packaging error happens sometimes [03:17] but -updates everyone gets [03:18] yes but a packaging issue will generally be resolved by a backport [03:18] right packageing errors are better for SRU not backports [03:18] no [03:18] thats a misconception [03:18] imbrandon: okay but if a new upstream release closes a critical thing ;) [03:19] well the "best" way is to cherry pick the fix for SRU, backport is really a last resort [03:19] I should subscribe to the "sponsor for main" and universe teams too [03:19] anyhow just have jdong add you to the backports team [03:19] but before you do learn the diffrence between what should be in -updates and -backports and -security [03:20] other than that your golden [03:20] imbrandon: bah backports/update is clear I think.... [03:20] backports is for new upstream release only [03:20] security/update......... [03:21] I must say sometimes I don't see the point [03:21] right but major problems that can be fixed by cherry pickeing fixes is much better in -updates [03:21] they could be merged in my opinion [03:21] no they cant [03:21] they are very diffrent [03:21] -updates is on by default and 8 million people will get it [03:21] -backports is not [03:21] and also not suppoorted [03:21] I'm talking abourt security/updates [03:22] and also no distention against universe and main in -backports [03:22] well security gets pushed through the buildd's faster is why [03:22] its seperate [03:22] also they arent announced on public ML etc [03:23] imbrandon: yes but technically they could be merged [03:23] I mean an update for "security reasons" is a update :) [03:23] no , not really, not without a major overhaul of soyuz [03:23] but yes I understand the point [03:23] I will look at that carrefully [03:24] I generally focus only on the dev version so the update/security policy is something I don't know in details [03:24] :) [03:24] I use edgy on my machine for 6 month for example :) [03:24] right thats why i said your golden as far as the technical end, but look at the reasons for other things :) [03:25] that explains why the "current" state of the stable release is unknow to me :) [03:25] i'm on feisty now :) [03:25] imbrandon: does it work ? [03:25] yup, the real fun starts next week, but works fine for the moment, i always ride the dev versions out [03:25] imbrandon: you should have lost most of kde settings no ? [03:26] inless you have changed a lot of things [03:26] since I renamed the konqueror profile :) [03:26] i dident loose anything iirc [03:26] I have to provide a link to avoid the error for those who don't change the defaults at all === Tonio_ migrates to feisty [03:29] Sysinfo for 'horatio': Linux 2.6.17-10-386 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), HD: 56/328GB, RAM: 937/1003MB, 123 proc's, 22.43h up [03:30] hrm [03:30] wrong kernel [03:30] wonder why it dident update [03:31] <_nixternal> imbrandon: it doesn't upgrade automatically, you have to do it manually after the fact [03:31] <_nixternal> i did the same thing yesterday and did a wtf [03:31] it /should/ as part of the linux-generic meta package [03:31] thats the reason for it [03:32] seems to be a bug === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:36] <_nixternal> imbrandon: do you have a link to the irssi script that Seveas has for admin stuff? [03:36] <_nixternal> i want to kill someone, quick and painlessly [03:36] <_nixternal> actually, i want it to hurt [03:36] Seveas, is for xchat not irssi [03:37] <_nixternal> nalioth has the irssi one then? [03:37] you'll have to poke nalioth for the irssi one, if he gives it out etc [03:37] <_nixternal> ok, nevermind on that one then === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.48.76.170] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:47] <_nixternal> imbrandon: do you remember if it is /ak or /abk when i want to nuke someone? 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[07:45] probably related to qt4.2 or something [07:45] I tried to build the debian package also, same problem [07:46] kdebindings shouldn't do anything with qt 4.2 [07:46] it's kde 3 only [07:46] ./qtjava/.libs/libqtjava.so: undefined reference to `QAuServer::tr(char const*, char const*)' [07:47] hum true :) I'm tired sorry [07:47] the point is I don't know what to do with this [07:48] I seem to remember debian also gave up [07:48] but might be worth checking if they managed with kde 3.5.5 [07:48] Riddell: bah this is the debian package........ I assume it build on debian [07:48] but I'd have no objections to not bothering with qt/kde java [07:48] Riddell: this is the 3.5.5 package from debian [07:49] Riddell: I also tried to upgrade the edgy package on my own, same problem [07:49] Riddell: okay so I can patch to avoid building this ? interesting [08:02] Riddell: hum... the edgy package ftbfs on edgy too with the same error.... I'll try to investigate [08:04] Riddell: i'm working on the UWN right now as the token kde guy, we're about to push it out [08:04] got somthing to add? [08:05] imbrandon: point to sebas and seele's blogs [08:05] k i have seele's link got sebas's ? [08:05] imbrandon: and say what rocking specs we have [08:05] vizzzion.org [08:05] kk [08:05] Tonio_: you were working on wengophone, werent you? [08:06] Hobbsee: yes but the QT4.2 issue is not resolved at this point [08:06] Hobbsee: the package builds, but the UI doesn't appear (although the software doesn't crash) [08:06] Hobbsee: we have to wait........ [08:06] omg........ 8 am here....... === Tonio_ beds ! [08:07] Tonio_: stevenk wants to know if you want to merge the version from debian, or do you have stuff to add? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:07] Hobbsee: I'll probably add stuff to add [08:07] what is the debian version ? [08:07] Tonio_: no idea, ask stevenk [08:08] hum... it will not work for ubuntu anyway.... but if debian has a package let's use this one... [08:08] the point is I packaged it long before debian.... I don't understand why he didn't contact me before [08:09] Hobbsee: I'm looking at his package [08:09] Tonio_: i've sent this stuff to stevenk, he'll get in contact with you soonish [08:12] Hobbsee: okay :) [08:12] Hobbsee: it looks that the packaging is completly different, indeed [08:14] Hobbsee: in fact wengophone as 2 build systems, scons or cmake [08:14] I use scons and he uses cmake hehe :) === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:42] Riddell: whats nuno's last name ? [08:43] pinheiro (afaik) [08:52] imbrandon: yup that's it [08:52] :) === imbrandon should add a bit about Tonio_ 's bombs [08:53] just kidding [08:53] lol === freeflyi1g [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:08] erg [09:08] kwwii's last name Weimer ? [09:08] Riddell: / Tonio_ / someone ? [09:09] imbrandon: Kenneth Wimer [09:10] wimmer [09:10] Tonio_: the one on his blogs are a typo? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:26] extra extra , read all the gossip, UWN 21 is out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue21 === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh [09:39] <\sh> moins [09:40] yay! kwwii and nuno will be working together for Feisty! Artwork is so going to rock! :) [09:43] <\sh> sebas: pingelin dude...who I know is at the linuxworld expo kde booth? ;) [09:45] Torsten? [09:45] Hi \sh [09:46] Eva might also be around there [09:46] <\sh> sebas: torsten rahn you mean...I have to call him anyways because of amu.. [09:47] Aye, do you have his number? [09:47] (Because I might have it, or not.) [09:47] <\sh> sebas: yepp, amu gave me his :) [09:47] Cool === sebas has to go out now [09:48] back in ~30' or so [09:50] <\sh> ok...time to leave this place and travel to cologne-deutz .... [09:50] <\sh> cu later === \sh is now known as \sh_away === ttoine [n=ttoine@tri69-2-89-80-32-83.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ttoine [n=ttoine@tri69-2-89-80-32-83.dsl.club-internet.fr] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.207] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kozz_ [i=kozz@81-232-134-52-no22.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@202.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:34] hey all === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === andrunko [n=andrunko@200.184.118.141] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15 [n=freet15@61.149.0.191] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:34] Riddell, ping === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-136-204.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:45] Howdy [03:46] hi bddebian! === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.36.72] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:46] Hi Jucato === ingmar^ [n=ingmar@vpnc044.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:55] hmm, can konsole do the gnome-terminal trick where new tabs open in the cwd of the old tab? === marseillai_ is now known as marseillai === marseillai [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-136-204.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel === Ingmar [n=ingmar@vpnd104.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel [05:21] Lure: ping [05:22] mhb: pong [05:22] Lure: the last time I pinged you, I asked you about the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyNetworking [05:23] mhb: what was the question? [05:23] Lure: I think you wrote that "knetworkmanager will provide enough info" [05:23] Lure: and I wanted to know what you mean by that [05:24] Lure: Will it write when my wireless/wired connection gets interrupted/gets back on? [05:24] mhb: SuSE has patches to detect network status through network manager (dbus) [05:25] mhb: we will review these patches for potential inclusion in Feisty [05:26] Lure: is the status then visible to the user? and how? [05:27] mhb: it is not about making status visible (this is what knetworkmanager already does), but about making kopete/kmail avare about nework status === fdoving has pacakges of kwlan 0.5.6 it's too.. unprofessional imo. [05:29] fdoving: in what sense "unprofessional [05:31] Lure: like for example to scan for a network, first i have to click scan to bring up the 'scan results' window. then I have to click 'scan' again, to actually scan. the capitalization is inconsistent. etc. [05:32] that's my feeling anyway. I'm totaly pro using wpa_supplicant though. it rocks. [05:32] even for non encrypted network, and wep. [05:33] Lure: ok, thanks === Lure -> home, bbl [05:35] and also.. creating two systray icons, one for kwlan-the-program, and one for each device after that.. is unnecessary imo. [05:35] two+ icons. [05:36] you can always hide one, and remove the monitoring of unwanted devices, but it'll still require users to actually do that. === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jiahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.207] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:06] debbug 394534 [06:16] main uploaders: ping regarding upload of re-libtooled katapult === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ingmar^ [n=ingmar@vpnb191.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jiahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.127] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:44] imbrandon: nice article.. can i use some of it in a colo talk? === marseillai [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-136-204.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ingmar^ [n=ingmar@vpnd012.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ingmar^ [n=ingmar@vpnb128.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-84.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === joe3k [n=joe@p54940268.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:08] Riddell: when you'll be here, can you describe the "text import/export feature" of the Oxygen comparison chart you wanted? === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.92.218] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:18] mhb: just export to CSV and import the same [08:18] in some sane order of fields === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:22] Riddell: I don't quite get the import feature, though ... is it sensible to import anything when it should get the newest names from SVN? === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:30] mhb: I want to be able to edit this thing just as a simple text file [08:30] the names in SVN won't change except through this database list [08:30] Riddell: yes, but no need to import it [08:31] Riddell: export is logical [08:31] there is, so I can edit it and say there are your new names [08:32] Riddell: well my proposed solution would be to check SVN for the new names, wouldn't it? [08:32] no, this needs to be planned [08:33] I'm not going to do a bunch of svn mv oldname newname in the hope that it'll all end up making sense [08:33] ok === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:47] Riddell: so it should not react to the changes on SVN? [08:48] mhb: which changes in SVN? [08:48] Riddell: as the artists add new icons === Zerlinna [n=Zerlinna@C2a72.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:49] as they add new icons now they should be with the old names, after the big switch they will be the new names which means following this list [08:49] hi Zerlinna! [08:50] hi Riddell :) [08:50] Zerlinna: did you go to cologne? [08:51] Riddell: I wanted to but didn't have the time :-( [08:51] Zerlinna: what was the exhibition you did a few weeks ago? [08:52] Riddell: rentre du libre at strasbourg (france) [08:52] and before with the lug at the salon des associations [08:53] Riddell: is it normal that konqueror shows only /media /home and /tmp in the root folder at left (tree structure)? [08:53] Zerlinna: that's a change we made in edgy, we'll get rid of it in feisty [08:53] so is it a bug or a feature? :-D [08:53] Zerlinna: you can empty /.hidden to make it go away === Tonio__ [n=tonio@56.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:54] it's a feature that people don't like much :) [08:54] <_Sime> Riddell: it didn't go down so well? [08:54] _Sime: just the / [08:54] Riddell: lol [08:54] _Sime: we'll keep the .hidden in /media that's fine [08:55] _Sime: but we realised that the user never gets pointed towards / anyway, so the only people who go there are users who expect all their directories [08:55] Riddell: thanx for the "fix" :) [08:56] Zerlinna: could you add a couple of sentences about the rentee and salon meetings to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue22 [08:57] <_Sime> Riddell: mostly true. ;-) I still think that most of those directories in / serve little purpose in konq. [08:57] Riddell: Ok I'll do that :) [08:57] so that kioslave system:/ is going to stay? [08:58] <_Sime> Riddell: someone mentioned an idea on a blog that it perhaps would be a nice compromise if the folders were "greyed out" or de-emphasised (sp?) in konq. [08:58] _Sime: yes, greying out would be good [08:58] <_Sime> mhb: edgy doesn't point people towards system:/. [08:59] <_Sime> Riddell: this is already possible in konq. It is just a matter of configuration and .directory files. [08:59] <_Sime> Riddell: in your own home directory you and select different icons for the directories. [08:59] <_Sime> Riddell: this info is saved in a .directory file in the dir. [09:00] hmm, so lots of .directory files in every non-important directory [09:00] <_Sime> Riddell: you can do the same for /. [09:01] <_Sime> Riddell: or leave /usr /bin etc as default blue, and select something brighter/better for /home and /media [09:01] What's the purpose of hding them anyways. Why not just keep them visible at all times and save everyone from asking [09:01] Riddell: I think only for the rdl because the salon we only had a booth for the lug (and not especially for kubuntu) [09:01] too bad the hiding is not going to stay ... at least on my Czech blog it sparked a fairly large discussion with the outcome that this feature is really a step forward [09:01] <_Sime> Hawkwind: 99% of the time those extra dirs are cruft. [09:02] _Sime: I disagree [09:02]