[12:15] <stelis> Good. I actually did some work on my doc.
[12:17] <CharlieSu> Hi, yall.. I've found an error in the documentation
[12:18] <CharlieSu> An entire section is wrong actually
[12:18] <stelis> Eeek.
[12:19] <stelis> Do you have a link?
[12:21] <CharlieSu> yes..  I posted on the forums but nobody has said anything..  it has been bothering me bigtime.. here is the link:
[12:21] <CharlieSu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=299935
[12:23] <LaserJock> hmm
[12:23] <stelis> FWIW, I beleive that that feature is inherited from Debian, so it sounds odd that it's not in the Ubuntu version of the installer
[12:23] <LaserJock> I'm not sure where we picked up the installation guide from
[12:24] <CharlieSu> ya..  makes me sad
[12:24] <CharlieSu> i want that feature bigtime
[12:24] <stelis> Have you checked Launchpad?
[12:25] <stelis> It could be that the feature was pulled from Edgy for a technical reason.
[12:25] <Burgwork> ubiquity doesn't support raid or encryption yet
[12:25] <Burgwork> might do in Feisty cycle, but is unlikely to
[12:25] <Burgwork> however, the alternate installer does
[12:26] <LaserJock> Burgwork: but the installation guide is for the alternate installer
[12:26] <Burgwork> then it should work
[12:30] <CharlieSu> stelis: no, how can I find that on launchpad?  Also, it isn't on 6.06 or 6.10
[12:31] <fumbalah> how good is the ntfs support in ubuntu?
[12:32] <stelis> CharlieSu: The main page is here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[12:33] <fumbalah> Cause i'm going to put it on my server if the support is half decent
[12:35] <stelis> I'm curious - why do you need to read NTFS on a server?
[12:35] <CharlieSu> stelis: how can I find out what that feature is called so that I can request it.. I want to encrypt for my laptop..  
[12:36] <stelis> CharlieSu: I've just done a couple of searches for LUKS and cryptsetup, and people seem to be using these features.
[12:36] <stelis> Perhaps ask on #ubuntu how people are setting up encryption right now
[12:37] <CharlieSu> stelis: i've tried.. nobody responds..  I really wanted to do it straight from the CD.. That would have been a great feature..
[12:39] <fumbalah> stelis: I need to be able to move a ton of Mp3's from an NTFS drive
[12:40] <stelis> Ah. I think that read support works out of the box, so this should be OK.
[12:42] <stelis> CharlieSu: Perhaps try the Debian Etch installer.
[12:43] <stelis> It's the same software as the Ubuntu Alternate CD, I think.
[12:43] <CharlieSu> stelis: but would that install Debian or ubuntu?
[12:43] <Burgwork> debian
[12:43] <Burgwork> the ubuntu alternate installer uses debian-installer
[12:44] <CharlieSu> Burgwork: but it dosn't have the encryption feature 
[12:44] <stelis> I was thinking that you could try it and see if there is difference
[12:44] <Burgwork> CharlieSu: have you gone looking?
[12:44] <CharlieSu> Burgwork: i've tried it with 6.06 and 6.10
[12:44] <Burgwork> hmm
[12:45] <CharlieSu> Burgwork: the encryption in the Ubuntu docs looks like it was copied and pasted from somewhere else.. Because it doesn't exist
[12:45] <CharlieSu> Burgwork: do you want the URL I'm talking about?
[12:45] <Burgwork> yep
[12:45] <CharlieSu> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/module-details.html#partman-crypto
[12:45] <Burgwork> if Debian already has it, it is a matter of a  bug report
[12:46] <Burgwork> yes, that is upstreams help
[12:46] <Burgwork> where upstream==debian-installer
[12:46] <CharlieSu> Burgwork: I'm not sure I understand what upstream is.. Is it on the alternate CD?
[12:47] <Burgwork> sorry, upstream is a generic term for the people who original produced teh software, in this case debian
[12:49] <CharlieSu> so do you think this is something that was left out on purpose?  or something that was accidentally left out?
[12:52] <Burgwork> likely an accident, or maybe that part not merged
[12:52] <Burgwork> I would ask Kamion (also known as cjwatson), he is a d-i and ubiquity author
[12:53] <CharlieSu> Burgwork: thanks.
[12:54] <CharlieSu> I really hope it gets fixed.. That would be awesome to have support like that built in
[01:00] <CharlieSu> i found a great link..  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/39326
[01:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39326 in debian-installer "installer: dm-crypt support missing" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  
[01:01] <CharlieSu> yep
[01:02] <stelis> ubugtu is a bot :)
[01:02] <CharlieSu> i know...  just found out
[01:03] <stelis> That threw me the first time as well :)
[01:03] <CharlieSu> stelis: is it possible to use another distro like debian to install ubuntu with this feature.. 
[01:04] <stelis> Many of the packages have differences.
[01:05] <stelis> But Etch is fairly up to date, so if you really want the feature you could get it that way.
[01:07] <stelis> (By installing Debian rather than Ubuntu)
[01:30] <CharlieSu> stelis: i want to install with the debian CD but use Ubuntu.. is that possible?
[01:33] <LaserJock> nope
[08:47] <mdke> morning
[08:50] <bhuvan> morning mdke!
[05:29] <glatzor> ping Burgwork. I would like to integrate UWN into Rosetta
[05:41] <glatzor> ping mdke: how can I add an additional issue to a docbook list only using rosetta
[06:20] <Burgwork> glatzor: sure, use the moin to docbook thingy
[06:21] <glatzor> Burgwork: I thought about txt2po
[06:23] <glatzor> Burgwork: https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter so I would need write access to the product :)
[06:25] <Burgwork> rightr
[06:26] <Burgwork> what specific permissions do you need?
[06:30] <glatzor> Burgwork: wait. it seems that I can already create branches and releases :)
[06:30] <Burgwork> glatzor: don't need to create bzr branches
[06:31] <glatzor> right. I could also use the original wiki page as template.
[06:31] <glatzor> let us see if this works too.
[06:32] <glatzor> Burgwork: so I would need the right to upload po templates.
[06:32] <glatzor> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter/issue-21/+translations
[06:42] <glatzor> hm, Burgwork. Carlos doesn't reply on IRC. Perhaps they are quite busy and run on hot coals :)
[06:43] <Burgwork> yep
[07:08] <fumbalah> Good morning :)
[07:09] <fumbalah> Actually i guess its afternoon
[07:09] <LaserJock> still morning here
[07:10] <fumbalah> lol
[07:10] <fumbalah> Where you at?
[07:13] <LaserJock> Reno, NV, USA
[07:13] <nixternal> bah
[07:14] <fumbalah> Good call...I'm in kentucky
[07:17] <nixternal> 7651 and 357 - upload is 16% worse than average
[07:17] <nixternal> yaya
[07:17] <nixternal> yay rather
[07:21] <nixternal> Burgwork: im gonna go put some money in your pocket here in a few ;p
[07:25] <fumbalah> nixternal: I'll take some money :-p
[07:25] <nixternal> i bet you would
[07:25] <nixternal> fumbalah: where at in ky are ya?
[07:27] <Burgwork> nixternal: I will happily take money, but why?
[07:30] <fumbalah> nixternal: Lexington
[07:33] <nixternal> Burgwork: gotta buy a new book, someone decided they wanted it more than i did 
[07:34] <nixternal> fumbalah: i didn't realise the internet made it that far ;p
[07:49] <nixternal> i just got a phone call from across the border...i answered and not one bit of english was spoken to me...thank god i took all those years of spanish to realise what they were saying
[07:51] <nixternal> actually, it came from montana
[07:55] <LaserJock> what?
[07:56] <nixternal> on my cell phone at that
[07:58] <Burgwork> nixternal: are you drunk? you are making no sense
[07:59] <nixternal> i don't drink, so i guess the answer would be no
[07:59] <LaserJock> Burgwork: he's got to be on something ;/
[08:01] <nixternal> LaserJock: im on life brother ;p
[08:02] <nixternal> echo "bank, bookstore, school" > /home/nixternal/later
[08:02] <LaserJock> ok, so you need to try your story again
[08:02] <LaserJock> fine, be all confusing and run
[08:13] <jwhitlark> I've been putting a number of internal links onto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Servers.  Would someone take a look and tell me if they have any suggestions?
[08:13] <jwhitlark> My goal is to make it the goto place for ubuntu servers, since I needed one of those for my company anyway.
[08:46] <mdke> jwhitlark: yeah, that's our goal too. Can you post the links you've added to the mailing list so people can comment?
[09:11] <jwhitlark> mkde: ok, sent a quick email detailing changes.
[09:11] <jwhitlark> mdke: oops, sorry.
[09:13] <jwhitlark> mdke: I also think we should have a section on general setup issues, things like logrotate, logwatch, tripwire, backup, and basic mail setup.  Have you seen anything like that?
[09:18] <mdke> jwhitlark: the mail setup stuff has some material, not sure about logs/backup etc. It sounds like a good plan.
[09:30] <jwhitlark> mdke: So perhaps a link at the top of the server page titled "Common setup" or something?  I know what I want to put there, but I'm not sure what to call it.
[09:35] <mdke> jwhitlark: maybe a section at the top of the page with links to each task. Check for existing documentation on those subjects