=== zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Tosh [n=icechat5@cpe-076-182-086-230.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Tosh [n=icechat5@cpe-076-182-086-230.sc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === iCod [n=iCod@69.29.140.54] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [03:59] Hey, is there where I would talk to someone about ubuntu magazine [03:59] ? [04:00] Yes. Whether the right people are around is another matter. [04:00] alright [04:01] First, how often is the magazine released? [04:03] Does anyone know? [04:03] brb, a bit later, sorry === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === freelancer317 [n=chatzill@pool-71-251-157-176.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:20] anybody alive? [04:21] I am a meat popsicle. [04:22] ...okay [04:23] whiprush: you lovely human being. Now help me write the UWN [04:23] we are going for a super issue of two weeks [04:23] assign me something. [04:23] But yeah, sure. :D [04:23] can you write up a two paragraph piece on UDS? [04:23] sure. [04:24] first para: the why [04:24] 2nd para: what was covered [04:24] tonyyarusso: you up for some work? [04:24] elkbuntu: ping === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:25] lotusleaf: you were looking for me yesteryda? [04:25] Burgundavia, just heading out, back sometime soon [04:25] elkbuntu: no worries [04:26] Burgundavia: I need about an hour, acceptable? [04:26] or do you want some fast food thing? [04:26] yep [04:26] Burgundavia: hi, yes, yesterday or the day before.. regarding a post on the marketing mailing list, but I caught up with Madpilot in here followed by jenda which solved an issue on the doc. area of ubuntu.com with one directory [04:26] no, trying to get out in 4:30 minutes, midnight my time [04:26] lotusleaf: want to help us write the UWN? [04:26] Burgundavia: thanks for following up though =) [04:27] Burgundavia: Ubuntu World News? :) [04:27] I always try and satisfy [04:27] we are up at gobby.ubuntu.com [04:29] Burgundavia: that would be awesome! :) It looks nice, are you going to retain the fridge logo though at top-left or go with something different to differentiate from the fridge page? [04:29] no, that is where we are editing it [04:29] gobby is a collaborative editor [04:30] Burgundavia: so gobby is the hard hat area that goes into fridge, or.. ? [04:30] Burgundavia: I doubt it. I have a Quantum problem set due Friday :( [04:30] right [04:31] When were you hoping to publish? [04:31] lotusleaf: no, the UWN is merely posted to the fridge [04:31] tonyyarusso: tonight at midnight, PST === BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@adsl-65-71-93-15.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:31] and that gobby server merely shares a server with the fridge [04:31] Burgundavia: I see, well I'd love to be of help, and thanks for the generous offer, but I don't know how I'd scoop any Ubuntu related up news faster than you guys are able to do it? :) [04:31] Grr. Don't think I'll be much help then, unless a miracle occurs. [04:32] lotusleaf: we are writing the UWN for the past two weeks, from the 29th to the 4th [04:32] lotusleaf: I need somebody to write up a short piece on all the various Edgy reviews, including the slashdot "edgy nightmare" on [04:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobby [04:32] by short, I mean two paragraphs [04:34] Burgundavia: have you collected the urls to various Edgy reviews? [04:34] not really [04:34] they are not hard to find [04:34] true [04:35] why address the /. "edgy nightmare" piece? [04:35] why not [04:35] good, bad .. [04:35] whiprush: why drag it out? [04:36] we cover the news, not create it [04:36] because if people have issues then hiding them doesn't fix anything. [04:36] part of that news included people having issues with Ubuntu [04:36] we are not FOX news [04:36] lol [04:37] I see your points [04:37] so you want a gentle piece without bias [04:38] I would group the reviews [04:38] positive and then negatvie [04:38] for the negative, mention how we address them [04:38] so, if taking the edgy reviews like a carton of eggs, you'd pluck out the good and bad and compare with real information [04:39] right [04:39] maybe right up a little piece about upgrading as well [04:39] link to henos and keybuks blog posts, the new updater spec, et.c [04:40] Burgundavia: you mean you guys haven't tapped the deep well of Ars Technica already for talent? [04:40] we have, we have whiprush [04:40] true [04:42] rol === whiprush flicks off a middle finger while he types. [04:42] :P [04:43] Burgundavia: I don't know that *I* would be the right choice to tackle the subject you're looking to have someone cover, I don't know all the ins and outs of ubuntu devel to counter a lot of the reviews and information on specifics, some of them dive into detail [04:43] I'm a simple link diver :) [04:43] you are already qualified as the rest of us [04:44] and you have something I currently don't have: time [04:44] collecting and swimming in links, like scrooge mcduck in his money bin, is something I can do [04:44] Even one line about the general gist of the interview with a link for each is fine [04:44] Burgundavia: ok, would you like me to gather as many reviews of edgy as I can? [04:44] Burgundavia: who approves specs? the tech board? [04:45] the final authority I mean [04:45] the approver [04:45] who is assigned by MDZ [04:45] ok [04:48] Burgundavia: if that's what you're looking for, I can get started in a few minutes. [04:48] perfect, thanks [04:48] Burgundavia: as for the compare/contrast wrap-up to forge a paragraph or two from, someone else may want to do that for the sake of clarity. [04:48] Burgundavia: right, I'll get on that now. =) [04:49] excellent === iCod [n=iCod@69.29.140.54] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:55] ok, I'm back === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:56] Is there anyne in here I can talk to about the ubuntu magazine? [04:56] someone link me up to a "perfect example" of a spec for feisty. [04:56] I am trying to explain how a spec becomes a feature [04:56] sort of like those old ABC morning "How a bill becomes a law" cartoons. === freelancer317_ [n=chatzill@pool-71-251-157-176.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [05:01] make the default network services one? [05:01] k [05:03] Burgundavia: I'm on paragraph 5, but I'm going to keep writing. [05:03] I figure we can trim down the fat and come up with the good paragraphs. [05:03] no worries, I expected it to be long [05:03] you know what they say, write 100 pages and there's a chance 2 of them will not suck. [05:04] I only write good stuff [05:05] Burgundavia: in soviet russia, good stuff writes you [05:05] you're a ninja [05:06] fscking google.. tons of "check out my edgy review for (unrelated to linux)" === iCod [n=iCod@69.29.140.54] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] [05:21] Burgundavia: so ... I ended up writing about specs [05:21] and not mtv itself [05:21] that is fine [05:22] can you do a three sentence piece about MTV? [05:22] rol, yeah. [05:22] let me put this up someplace. [05:24] whiprush: gobby it [05:24] gobby.ubuntu.com [05:24] on it [05:25] uwn 21 right? [05:25] yep [05:26] pasted [05:26] now we need to butcher it [05:26] Burgundavia: stepping out for a smoke. [05:27] Cut what you feel is necessary, and I'll hit up the actual summit bit in a bit. [05:27] ok, that rocks === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> brown.freenode.net === samurai [n=samurai@74.134.155.212] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@adsl-65-67-112-77.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === MitchM [i=fwuser@208.243.85.3] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === meatballhat9000 [n=emelia@70-39-156-18.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-68-178.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-148.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === dotwaffle [n=dotwaffl@pdpc/supporter/student/dotwaffle] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === popey [n=alan@bishop.popey.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === KenSentMe [n=KenSentM@a82-92-80-8.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [05:44] whiprush: ping me when you are back [05:44] back [05:44] ok, I played with it a bit, but it is yours again [05:45] k [05:46] damn, you didn't expand the intro or the conclusion [05:46] that's like, the hardest part. [05:46] heh [05:47] I like to leave people to their own challenges [05:47] I am not helping them by enabling their weakness [05:47] heh [05:47] curses [05:48] if you believed that, I have a bridge to seel you [05:48] sell, rather [05:48] hmm [05:48] or maybe seal [05:48] let me invite an expert at these things [05:48] how am I doing on time? [05:49] you have about 3 hours [05:49] perfect [05:53] lotusleaf: how are you doing? [05:53] Burgundavia: :) I'm on dial up, browsing with images disabled, it's going slow, but it's going =) [05:53] ok, no worries === Burgundavia wonders where you can still find dialup [05:54] Burgundavia: seeing a lot of "edgy released!" and the same documents spewed over various major news sites [05:54] sorting through them though no prob [06:03] Burgundavia: I have one of the ars guys fixing it up. [06:04] whiprush: have you got the latest from gobby? [06:04] Burgundavia: "Ryan Paul" for the credits please. :D [06:04] Burgundavia: yep. [06:04] add it in [06:04] l [06:04] k [06:04] what's the ubuntu paste bin location again plz? [06:04] I wanna clear gedit =) [06:34] whiprush: what are you doing right now? [06:36] ever heard of Synapsis? [06:37] i think one reviewer meant Synaptic, but he says Synapsis at least twice :P [06:43] they meant synaptic or possible syanaptics, the touchpad driver/manufacturer [06:43] Burgundavia: yeah, they said package manager Synapsis :P [06:57] Burgundavia: copy and paste into a text editor for wrap around goodness: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32072/ [06:57] ok, that rocks [06:57] small formatting stuff [06:57] nuke the ---- [06:57] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32072/ [06:58] oops: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32072/plain/ [06:58] they're all the same size, just find and replace with a blank space [06:58] that is cool [06:58] can you write a little intro paragraph? [06:58] cool, I thought it wasn't that much [06:59] Burgundavia: are you sure you want to use that much quoted text from each url? [06:59] Burgundavia: I thought you were going to perhaps parse it [06:59] might want to shrink it down to just once sentence [07:00] Burgundavia: that's about all I can do with it tonight, do whatever with it =) [07:01] Burgundavia: my eyes are bleeding from horribly designed sites =) [07:01] ok, no worries [07:01] I should've used links [07:01] no worries, I can play with it [07:01] whiprush: my large and beautiful minion, present thy-self [07:01] Burgundavia: awesome [07:01] Burgundavia: sorry, phone call [07:02] whiprush: you back now? [07:02] yep [07:02] can you take lotusleaf's great work and parse it out [07:02] one sentence for the summary [07:02] so hey .. I would feel much more comfortable if we could get a dev to review what I wrote and check it for accuracy. [07:02] sure, which part? === towsonu2003 [n=towsonu2@c-69-251-20-244.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:02] whiprush: the summary sections [07:03] hi [07:03] k [07:03] oh yeah [07:03] hit that telepathy love dude. [07:03] whiprush: your spec stuff? I will dig into it [07:03] hey towsonu2003, you want a job? [07:03] I was wndering whether the feedback in this link was previously discussed and whether there are projects to offer solutions to some of his/her points? [07:04] Burgundavia, not yet :) just had a question [07:04] towsonu2003: sorry, context? [07:04] Burgundavia, context as in? [07:04] Burgundavia: no, I was commenting on the person writing about telepathy in the UWN right now [07:04] as in "awww yeah ..." [07:04] that is me dude [07:04] the summery with quotes are not my words, just what I quoted from the urls [07:04] tobacco, where art thou my precious [07:05] Burgundavia: what line # for the summary stuff? [07:05] I don't see a section called summary anything [07:05] Burgundavia, I saw this at the wiki "Much of the team's communication and project coordination takes place in our IRC channel: #ubuntu-marketing on irc.freenode.net", at the same time came across that blog, and wanted to ask it here :) don't take this as flame or anything [07:06] towsonu2003: sure, but we are currently neck deep in getting a UWN out [07:06] also, isn't gnewsense capitalized gNewSense? [07:06] Burgundavia, oh ok -need any help [07:06] whiprush: I was referring to lotusleaf's work on the Edgy Reviews stuff [07:06] towsonu2003: yes, absolutely [07:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue20 <-- see the bug section in this? [07:07] "Riccardo Setti, while not quite the uploading machine that is Daniel Holbach, managed to upload a quite respectable total, including telepathy-gabble 0.4.4, telepathy-stream-engine 0.3.12, farsight 0.1.10, libtelepathy 0.0.39" [07:07] we need the stats for this [07:07] reword that [07:07] it isn't done yet, dude [07:07] sounds more like an insult than a complement [07:07] yeah, just saying. :D [07:07] Burgundavia, I'll try to see what I can do [07:07] I am dumping from my UWN folder [07:07] oh oh, cool [07:07] which, if you can imagine, is quite full right now [07:09] and again, in case it was missed, the quotes within the summary field in the text are all from their respective urls nearby [07:09] not my words! :) [07:12] lotusleaf: what is your real name? [07:13] Burgundavia: I don't have one =) [07:13] Burgundavia: at least not online [07:13] Burgundavia, here you go: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32076/ [07:13] Burgundavia: does the UDS thing go on the top like the skeleton says, or leave it at the bottom? [07:14] whiprush: hmm [07:14] ok, im back now [07:14] lotusleaf: I like to credit people with their real name [07:14] am i too late for uwn goodness? [07:14] whiprush: hmm, at the top is beter [07:14] k [07:14] elkbuntu: nope [07:14] cutting and pasting [07:14] WARNING! === segphault [n=segphaul@adsl-67-123-205-241.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:14] segphault: greetings [07:14] hi [07:15] Burgundavia, should I go somewhere else (mailing list) for my question, or should I come back later to ask that question? ps. in case it was missed http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32076/ for bug stats [07:15] where are we? gobby or wiki? [07:15] Burgundavia: I can appreciate that, thank you, but my real name deserves no credit. =) [07:15] whiprush: remember, this UWN covers up to the 11th [07:15] lotusleaf: ok, no worries [07:15] elkbuntu: gobby [07:15] anybody else having 100% when they type more than 4 letters at once? [07:16] it would be really cool if the ubuntu.com/usn stuff was also available in XML [07:16] elkbuntu: would be able to start proofing whiprush's and segphault's article? [07:16] Burgundavia: if you'd like, you can mention lotusleaf and link to my tiny page on launchpad or something? [07:16] as soon as gobby decides to load, sure [07:16] segphault: there is a bug for an RSS feed [07:16] cool [07:16] Burgundavia: whether or not you mention me, doesn't matter, I'm just happy to help. [07:16] lotusleaf: you are credited as Lotusleaf [07:16] segphault: like the old ubuntu-summary [07:16] Burgundavia: thx =) [07:17] done like the kernel cousin thing [07:17] lotusleaf: if you contribue, you get credit. It is my only hard and fast rule [07:17] elkbuntu: the other piece that needs proofing is the LP news, from Christian [07:17] Burgundavia: =) =) [07:17] whiprush: that stuff you have from lotusleaf should go in the "in the press section" [07:17] we're short on kubuntu news for feisty [07:17] Burgundavia: eh? what stuff? [07:18] did I miss a /msg? === klepas [n=klepas@202-161-20-114.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:18] will now === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:18] whiprush: the UDS thing seems to have vanished... === imbrandon [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:19] if it's on your clipboard, I sure hope you don't accidentally copy something else. ;-) [07:19] segphault: got moved up [07:19] ah, I see it. [07:19] imbrandon: gobby.ubuntu.com, doc is UWN 21 [07:19] ahrm.. so we're not in poningru's gobby? if so then well. um... you're hiding really well [07:19] imbrandon: go nuts. [07:19] segphault: I moved it up [07:19] kk , lemme finish this one thing i got open then i'm on it [07:20] Burgundavia: dude this lotusleaf thing is the size of an xbox. [07:20] I am well aware of that [07:20] Should I just link the title to the link? [07:20] make it smaller :) [07:20] and make one huge list? [07:20] don't make links, and I like the summary [07:21] it is ok if we are huge this week [07:21] imbrandon: can you write about http://blog.josephhall.com/2006/11/sugar-cookies.html [07:21] Burgundavia, of course it's not, we have a few slack weeks to make up for === Burgundavia whips himself in penance [07:21] ok, so how about: [07:22] Title (linked) : Summary [07:22] hi elkbuntu! [07:22] hi whiprush! [07:22] whiprush: don't link the titel, becuase it gets sent as plain text, but otherwise good [07:22] title: summary [07:22] link [07:22] k [07:24] ok [07:24] so as an example [07:24] Review: Ubuntu Edgy is nice, but not so edgy : "Aside from mention of Upstart, there's the comment "In fact, users might not notice much different anywhere in Edgy" "I was surprised to find that Gnucash is not installed by default in Edgy, since the 2.0 release came out in July," lack of a default finance app mentioned as a hole, difficulties mentioned with Orca, mention of Rhythmbox freezes, ends with "not as adventurous as [07:24] URL: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/10/26/1552208 [07:25] whiprush: can you cut the summary to on sentence? [07:25] and the fact that all the screenshots etc are Kubuntu [07:25] :) [07:25] Burgundavia: ok, I see. [07:25] heh [07:25] elkbuntu: got an in the press thingy for you to write: http://news.com.com/A+Linux+start-up+on+the+path+to+profits/2008-1012_3-6130484.html [07:26] Burgundavia: am I keeping them all or cutting out Joe Blog? [07:26] whiprush: it would be cool to note in there that the screenshots etc are kubuntu and they say the DE is KDE ( 3.5.4 ) even though its labled Ubuntu :) [07:26] whiprush: make a value decision on which to keep [07:27] imbrandon: the world is filled with lies [07:27] imbrandon: bring that up with zonker, I'm the cut and paste guy for this gargantuan list. :p [07:27] :) [07:27] Burgundavia: awesome, so I have to read all these too. [07:27] now I realize why editos look so harried [07:27] This is just fantastic. === Burgundavia slaps whiprush [07:27] :D [07:28] one sec gone to grab a mt dew, i have some kde stuff for the new in feisty section and som UDS stuff to add [07:28] back in a sec [07:28] ping me if you need me === segphault is now known as seg|away [07:29] hey wait [07:29] seg|away: [07:29] hm? === seg|away is now known as segphault [07:29] wooh... wha? are we still this far behind? [07:29] "Although Canonical claims that Upstart is significantly faster than init, Ars Linux users don't find that claim convincing, saying that despite Upstart's greater potential in the long term, it still doesn't provide superior performance in this release" [07:29] what the hell dude [07:29] I added that because you told me to [07:29] elkbuntu: only two weeks [07:29] that [07:29] 's not righ [07:29] and now I can't type. [07:29] no it isn't [07:29] dude, lol. [07:30] Burgundavia, as opposed to.. two weeks? [07:30] elkbuntu: this is a double issue [07:30] I said "People are claiming that upstart is supposed to be faster than init, don't fall into that trap." [07:30] or some such. [07:30] it is? cool [07:30] whiprush: was that one of the snippets I quoted? If so, I just quoted from the articles [07:30] lotusleaf: yeah, I have the upstream author handy so I just pinged him. :D [07:31] lol [07:31] in scotts words " upstart has the potential to be faster but thats just a side effect and is not the intent of upstart, and certainly not the case at the moment" [07:31] whiprush: remember, none of the quotes were my words! [07:31] whiprush: ^^ [07:31] imbrandon: I know what scott said! [07:31] whiprush: ah in irc.arstechnica #linux ? [07:31] hehe [07:31] I apparently miscommunicated this to segphault [07:31] ending up with this bogus line. [07:31] whiprush: Oct 26 07:26:51 segphault: if you end up doing an ubuntu story, upstart isn't faster than normal innit (yet). [07:32] whiprush: I have quotes from canonical where they literally say it is faster [07:32] yeah, that's correct. [07:33] hmmm, who said that? [07:33] we need to fix them. :p [07:33] whiprush: for now, please report the news [07:33] segphault: find me a more choice quote to your article, so we can just sidestep this. [07:34] you can FOX news it later [07:34] Burgundavia: thanks! [07:34] .. [07:34] heh [07:35] bwhahaha who added "In the "I have used $app since 1980 " thats fskin classic === Burgundavia bows [07:35] whiprush: "Ubuntu 6.10, which includes the freshly released Firefox 2.0, sports the new Tangerine theme, designed to improve visual integration of the browser by making it better conform to Ubuntu's style. Other visual improvements are featured as well, including a new USplash startup screen that will provide better support for a wider range of resolutions." [07:35] now that's more like it, thanks! [07:36] whiprush: from the official Ubuntu press release: "Upstart, a replacement start-up manager offering a cleaner design, eye-catching effects and a substantially faster boot time" [07:36] whiprush: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/610released [07:36] imbrandon: have you got Kubuntu uploads? remember it is only covering oct 29th through the 11th of nov [07:37] hmmm, shitty [07:38] most of those improvements were probably due to moving to dash [07:38] oh well. [07:38] who writes the press releases for Ubuntu? [07:38] canonical [07:38] yea i'm writing about amarok and kde 3.5.5a now [07:38] Burgundavia: ^ [07:38] probably the new person [07:38] indeed. [07:38] they should really flesh that shit out during beta. [07:38] amarok got mtp and rio support this week [07:38] instead of going for the day-of thing [07:39] lotusleaf: dude did you purposely pick all the negative reviews for this list? :) [07:39] LOL [07:39] whiprush: I didn't pick, I just cut and paste quick for Burgundavia [07:40] whiprush: I'm on dialup and just grabbed a few [07:40] whiprush: I didn't do any sorting [07:40] heh, k [07:40] I think edgy failed to live up to over-inflated expectations [07:40] reading through these is really frustrating. [07:41] it's hard to be really enamored with the edgy release [07:41] whiprush: sorry, I didn't pick and choose anything, I was just asked to find some reviews ;) I'm sure there are a lot of others I missed, but my eyes were bleeding from poor web designs [07:41] I've had no problems with edgy for my users. [07:41] lotusleaf: not blaming you, I appreciate the time you put into this. [07:41] just frustrated with the results. [07:41] I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with it, it just isn't a huge leap forward [07:42] whiprush: how much time do you have for this? [07:42] segphault: 6 month cycle dude, that's a feature. [07:42] lotusleaf: I have 4 beers left. [07:42] whiprush: I'm sure a good 2 or 3 people could do a quick link search for others (heh) [07:42] extrapolate from there. [07:42] how do you write a really excited review about minor aesthetic changes and infrastructure improvements that aren't user-visible [07:42] segphault: dude try writing gnome reviews. [07:42] 6 months is fast. [07:42] oh I know. Same problem [07:42] it's just that shuttleworth really talked up edgy and made it sound like it was going to be an exciting release [07:43]