[12:12] <rmjb> to test on my hardware, since it's for a fakeraid controller I don't think a chrooted environment will work
[12:12] <rmjb> I'll boot from the live cd and test there
[12:12] <Adri2000> ah ok
[12:13] <LaserJock> rmjb: how did you determine if the Ubuntu changes weren't needed?
[12:13] <rmjb> package builds on feisty pbuilder
[12:13] <Adri2000> I don't know when the isos daily builds start
[12:13] <rmjb> looked at the debian changelog vs. the ubuntu changelogs
[12:14] <rmjb> the ubuntu changes included a script, a build dependency and moving the init script... all things the new debian package does and more
[12:14] <rmjb> only for the ubuntu change log it moves the init script to a different place
[12:15] <rmjb> which is what i'll test on herd1
[12:17] <rmjb> since I'm recommending reverting to a sync I have to convince an motu for them to upload the sync and discard the changes??
[12:18] <nixternal> imbrandon: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3443   <fixed changelog>
[12:19] <rmjb> also, can I be put as maintainer for the dmraid package? it's currently utnubu and because of that it fell by the wayside for edgy (and was shipped totally broken)
[12:19] <imbrandon> nixternal, kk, i'll grab it and look in just a sec
[12:20] <nixternal> rockin' imbrandon, thanks bro...i gotta goto sKool cuz im Kool
[12:23] <imbrandon> rmjb, the best way to handle that if you want is subscribe to the bugmail, there are no "maintainers" in ubuntu we do it as a group
[12:23] <imbrandon> brb afk
[12:27] <rmjb> I mean like poppassd's maintainer is set as Adam Conrad https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/poppassd so he'll get notified of bugs for it... I'd like to be that person for dmraid... it can't get any worse than it is now... for it to ship broken
[12:27] <LaserJock> rmjb: we don't have maintainership in Ubuntu
[12:27] <LaserJock> rmjb: you can add yourself as a bug contact to dmraid
[12:27] <rmjb> oh... I'll look into that
[12:28] <rmjb> cool, i'm there
[12:29] <rmjb> what's next to get the sync in feisty?
[12:29] <LaserJock> file a bug, get a MOTU to ack it
[12:31] <geser> chantra: are you still working on the gaim-libnotify package?
[01:25] <joejaxx> anyone know how ubuntu calculates how much swap space you need at install?
[01:28] <zul_> have you thought about asking -devel since the people who work on the installer are probably there :)
[01:29] <ajmitch> zul_!
[01:29] <zul_> meh?
[01:30] <ajmitch> hello
[01:30] <rmjb> dholbach: anyone else on the motumergers team?
[01:30] <rmjb> than yourself
[01:31] <ajmitch> there's a mergers team?
[01:31] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/people/motumergers
[01:31] <dholbach> there was
[01:32] <dholbach> i dunno how I ended up as a team owner
[01:32] <rmjb> oh... on this page they still say to assign merge requests to them: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Merging
[01:32] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/people/motumergers/+members
[01:32] <ajmitch> another old page
[01:32] <rmjb> I checked the team and it was only dholbach
[01:32] <rmjb> guess I checked the wrong team
[01:32] <ajmitch> yeah, that page is old
[01:32] <ajmitch> even refers to bugzilla
[01:33] <rmjb> and no mention of the new MoM
[01:33] <LaserJock> hmm, I thought that one was updated for edgy
[01:33] <rmjb> who should be assigned merge/sync requests now?
[01:34] <rmjb> joejaxx: SAP recommends 3xRAM + 500MB for swap... but that's for SAP
[01:34] <ajmitch> to get them uploaded, subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[01:35] <dholbach> we should drop the unnecessary info from that page
[01:36] <dholbach> i just unsubscribed the team from a bunch of bugs etc
[01:36] <rmjb> it's what I was working from... is there a fresher page somehere LaserJock?
[01:36] <LaserJock> speaking of wiki clean up, check out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sandbox/MOTU
[01:36] <LaserJock> rmjb: not sure, let me see
[01:37] <ajmitch> there is
[01:37] <LaserJock> shesh, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Merging is no good either
[01:38] <ajmitch> well, we have the school session by the one & only crimsun
[01:38] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/Merging-and-Syncing
[01:38] <LaserJock> is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources the best right now?
[01:38] <rmjb> yeah, saw that page too... both got me confused
[01:38] <ajmitch> the legendary hacker
[01:38] <ajmitch> DeveloperResources should always be up to date
[01:38] <LaserJock> uhhhh, "legendary"
[01:38] <LaserJock> but primarily for Main
[01:39] <ajmitch> of course, but we shouldn't deviate from main that much
[01:39] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[01:39] <LaserJock> no, but it doesn't say anything about a MOTU ack
[01:39] <ajmitch> hello TheMuso
[01:39] <LaserJock> which is important
[01:42] <rmjb> after reading DeveloperResources I wonder if my sync request is fine: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/71980
[01:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71980 in dmraid "dmraid: merge new debian version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[01:43] <ajmitch> rmjb: no, you'll really need to add in the changelog entries
[01:44] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: and is it a sync or a merge?
[01:44] <ajmitch> a sync
[01:44] <ajmitch> so it needs retitled
[01:44] <rmjb> I just updated the title
[01:44] <rmjb> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/71980
[01:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71980 in dmraid "dmraid: sync new debian version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[01:48] <LaserJock> is dh_iconcache still needed?
[01:49] <ajmitch> frequently yes
[01:49] <imbrandon> if it dosent use the gnome or kde .mk via cdbs , then yes
[01:49] <ajmitch> as imbrandon said
[01:49] <LaserJock> ah, I knew it was in the gnome and kde cdbs, I thought maybe it was folded into regular debhelper too
[01:49] <ajmitch> (upgraded dbus)
[01:49] <imbrandon> ajmitch, hehe
[01:50] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I have to reboot it tonight anyway, so I may as well upgrade dbus ;)
[01:50] <imbrandon> i've been running full feisty for ~24 hours now, no major breakage, i'm waiting till next week when all hell breaks loose
[01:50] <ajmitch> oh my laptop was running feisty all last week
[01:50] <plugwash> why will all hell break loose next weak?
[01:50] <plugwash> *week
[01:50] <ajmitch> it's just certain packages that are fun
[01:51] <ajmitch> plugwash: because the canonical developers will be back tackling stuff
[01:51] <Hobbsee> plugwash: because a lot of the devs are still at a conference?
[01:51] <imbrandon> ahh got to love my little brother, he and his wife are fighting so he bought beer and just showed up :)
[01:51] <rmjb> ajmitch: looks okay now?
[01:51] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: punching through flaming boards!
[01:51] <Hobbsee> exactly!
[01:51] <LaserJock> heh
[01:51] <imbrandon> :)
[01:52] <bhale> Hobbsee!
[01:52] <Hobbsee> bhale!!!
[01:52] <LaserJock> I wondered if that was either an analogy or a stress release thing ;-)
[01:52] <imbrandon> ajmitch, did you see jono's "item" ?
[01:52] <ajmitch> imbrandon: nope?
[01:52] <imbrandon> LaserJock, a workers comp thing, they cant type with burnt hands
[01:52] <LaserJock> hah
[01:52] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ahh i will have to find the pic, they all had to bring an item that tells something about them
[01:53] <ajmitch> rmjb: it's a bit hard to follow the changelog - general practice is to paste the full relevant changes including version
[01:53] <imbrandon> jono showed us the pic he brough that he drew as a 5 year old of a man in a redhat with the word redhat above it
[01:53] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ^
[01:53] <imbrandon> was kinda funny
[01:53] <ajmitch> haha
[01:54] <ajmitch> oh fun, mdadm upgrade
[01:54] <ajmitch> hopefully the RAID array comes back up
[01:55] <rmjb> crap... I just understood what you said ajmitch, but I already pasted the changelog from the ubuntu version to the newest...
[01:56] <imbrandon> ajmitch, http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=759  ( he brought this real paper pic to UDS for the all hands meeting , for the "item" that tells alot about you )
[01:57] <ajmitch> impressive artwork
[01:58] <imbrandon> he said he drew it when he was 5 lol
[01:58] <rmjb> I take it redhat was not out then... I assume he's older than 16?
[01:58] <imbrandon> rmjb, yes much
[01:59] <rmjb> being the community manager and all
[01:59] <imbrandon> probably double that, i forgot his actual age, i think he is one year older than me iirc
[02:00] <bhale> who now?
[02:00] <bhale> jono?
[02:00] <imbrandon> yea
[02:00] <ajmitch> yes, lord bacon
[02:00] <bhale> early 30s sounds right
[02:00] <imbrandon> yea i turn 30 in december :(
[02:01] <_nixternal> you are old
[02:03] <imbrandon> heh
[02:03] <_nixternal> hahaha
[02:03] <rmjb> age is how you feel
[02:04] <rmjb> ajmitch: I think I finally put the correct/relevant info in the request, is it okay now?
[02:04] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, you're really going to hate me now.. but --> http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=769
[02:05] <imbrandon> lol
[02:05] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: hide behind ajmitch.  that'd work better
[02:05] <rmjb> wow, I'm older than bacon!
[02:05] <ajmitch> rmjb: looks good
[02:06] <rmjb> by a few weeks
[02:06] <rmjb> ajmitch: thanks
[02:09] <LaserJock> old people in here
[02:10] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: can i have one too?  it makes a useful poking implement
[02:10] <ajmitch> LaserJock: careful, boy!
[02:10] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: you've already got one
[02:11] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I know, I know. It's just I've got to get these in before my birthday
[02:11] <LaserJock> 3 days left
[02:11] <rmjb> I'll only take one of those canes if it's sugar cane... haven't had that in years
[02:12] <ajmitch> LaserJock: how old?
[02:12] <LaserJock> the big 2-5
[02:13] <rmjb> wow... 1/4 century (that makes it sound worse)
[02:13] <ajmitch> ah, so you're a few months older than I
[02:13] <rmjb> 8|
[02:14] <LaserJock> thank goodness I put on my laser safety goggles
[02:16] <_MMA_> LaserJock: 25? wow. I would have thought you were at least my age.
[02:16] <LaserJock> _MMA_: 4 years of grad school will do that to a person :/
[02:16] <_MMA_> :)
[02:17] <LaserJock> I'm still the youngest person in my research group
[02:17] <LaserJock> *and* the senior grad student ;-)
[02:17] <_MMA_> Wait till you have kids. :)
[02:17] <LaserJock> I don't think I could handle it
[02:18] <_MMA_> just let TV and the internet raise 'em.
[02:20] <LaserJock> once they were hooked on Ubuntu I can have them doing my merges for me
[02:21] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:21] <_MMA_> Im gonna have mine work on a replacement for PulseAudio. :)
[02:22] <Burgwork> _MMA_: why a replacement?
[02:22] <_MMA_> Joke.
[02:22] <Burgwork> ah
[02:22] <Burgwork> that lack of context thing
[02:24] <_MMA_> It was a question at UDS. Why basically. Many people thought GSt was supposed to be the "end all be all".
[02:24] <bhale> gst doesnt solve the same problem as pulseaudio at all
[02:25] <bhale> it could be used there but it isnt an intrinsic feature
[02:25] <_MMA_> PulseAudio seemed to come from wanting a particular feature set.
[02:25] <bhale> it came from wanting to replace esd
[02:25] <_MMA_> Syncing sound cards across machines and whatnot.
[02:25] <bhale> for software mixing
[02:26] <_MMA_> Well. I hope it is the "end all be all". At least for desktop use.
[02:27] <bhale> why does one thing have to be that
[02:27] <bhale> gstreamer is a library for playing sounds, with plugable input/output/codec bits
[02:27] <bhale> pulseaudio is a daemon for mixing sounds
[02:28] <bhale> it doesnt play an mp3 off the disk
[02:28] <bhale> gst does
[02:28] <_MMA_> Because every other app uses something different for sound. Everyone said OSS was on the way out but then things like Quake4 still use it.
[02:28] <imbrandon> right pulseaudio is like alsa or oss, not gst or xine
[02:28] <bhale> come on
[02:28] <bhale> you are so mixed up I cant even adress
[02:29] <bhale> oss is somewhat in the same place on the stack as alsa
[02:29] <bhale> which is not gstreamer or pulse
[02:29] <imbrandon> _MMA_, your totaly mixing up you programs
[02:29] <bhale> please think this through
[02:29] <bhale> before you say "end all be all"
[02:29] <bhale> read about why we need pulse audio
[02:29] <bhale> it isnt anything to do with OSS or ALSA really
[02:30] <bhale> rather disconnected from gstreamer
[02:30] <imbrandon> bhale, right its totaly needed but they said at the bof untill it has an oss compat layer
[02:31] <bhale> alsa has one?
[02:31] <imbrandon> yes
[02:31] <bhale> why should pulse
[02:31] <_MMA_> Hey Im not quoting me. This was from people at UDS.
[02:31] <bhale> mixing sounds from oss apps is a requirement?
[02:31] <bhale> _MMA_: Gah.
[02:31] <bhale> Burgwork: please help us distribute clue
[02:32] <imbrandon> bhale, yes mixing oss sounds was a reqirement according to mdz
[02:32] <_MMA_> Ha! You cant in a calm way?
[02:32] <Burgwork> bhale: about to head home. I have spent all my clue pouring into the endless pit that is Userful
[02:32] <imbrandon> because of old 3rd party apps that are oss only
[02:32] <bhale> there shouldnt be many in main
[02:32] <bhale> esp in desktop
[02:33] <imbrandon> bhale, well it wasent based only about whats in main, about even 3rd party apps
[02:33] <bhale> thats lame
[02:33] <bhale> but ok.
[02:33] <imbrandon> i dident say it was my decesion but i see the point
[02:33] <bhale> in any case it isnt a cause to start from scratch with pulseaudio
[02:33] <imbrandon> :)
[02:34] <bhale> in a project to encompass replacing gst
[02:34] <imbrandon> right
[02:34] <imbrandon> gst would still be ontop of pa
[02:34] <bhale> LaserJock: Distributing Clue
[02:34] <LaserJock> ah
[02:35] <bhale> DMIX!!!
[02:35] <TheMuso> If OSS apps weren't looked after, I know myself, as well as a few people in the blind Linux community wouldn't be happy.
[02:35] <_MMA_> bhale: Is that what you kids call having a chat?
[02:35] <imbrandon> haha
[02:35] <LaserJock> so did anybody look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sandbox/MOTU
[02:35] <LaserJock> I need some feedback people
[02:35] <LaserJock> :-0
[02:36] <Burgwork> LaserJock: beside the depressing stats, you need a link called "how can I help?"
[02:36] <LaserJock> Burgwork: yep
[02:36] <LaserJock> perhaps I can rephrase it
[02:36] <LaserJock> but that's what people usually ask
[02:36] <Burgwork> LaserJock: I would munge the stats into a larger section called "current status"
[02:36] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: looks good to me
[02:36] <Hobbsee> and those stats will almost always be out of date
[02:36] <LaserJock> Burgwork: well, that's sort of a place holder until we get out a weekly status report
[02:37] <jdong> whoo! barnacle actually works :D
[02:37] <Burgwork> LaserJock: s/MOTU Hopefuls/So you want to be a MOTU?/
[02:37] <Burgwork> Burgwork: have that to be more of a FAQ
[02:38] <Burgwork> LaserJock: your teams should be a list, not a table and should be linked
[02:38] <Burgwork> otherwise, looks good :)
[02:38] <LaserJock> well, yeah
[02:38] <LaserJock> not sure about the table thing
[02:38] <Burgwork> I spend about 10 secs trying to figure out the column/row headings
[02:38] <Burgwork> then I realized it was a list, hiding as a table
[02:39] <LaserJock> fine, be that way ;p
[02:40] <jdong>  -> Considering  libgnome2-dev (>=
[02:40] <jdong> dpkg: --compare-versions bad relation
[02:40] <jdong> O_O
[02:40] <jdong> interesting
[02:40] <rmjb> LaserJock: as someone that recently started the motu process this page is looking promising
[02:41] <jdong> libgnome2-dev (>= 2.16.0)
[02:41] <jdong> looks normal to me
[02:41] <LaserJock> rmjb: any suggestions for additions/subtractions?
[02:41] <jdong> any enlightening suggestions as to why an edgy pbuilder would spit out such an error on feisty xchat-gnome?
[02:42] <rmjb> I *just* found out today about the Candidates page... and the end of the Hopefuls section you could link to that
[02:42] <rmjb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[02:42] <jdong> likewise error in feisty pbuilder
[03:08] <rmjb> can someone take a look at my pmplib package for feisty? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3445
[03:11] <BombTron> hello
[03:13] <ajmitch> rmjb: having something in debian/copyright would be a good thing
[03:13] <ajmitch> hello BombTron
[03:13] <ajmitch> rmjb: and debian/dirs probably doesn't need /usrbin & /usr/sbin
[03:13] <BombTron> hi, listen I'm green but looking to get involved
[03:14] <BombTron> windows network admin by day but looking to code and get into open source more
[03:14] <BombTron> any ideas
[03:14] <zul> well what can you do/
[03:14] <rmjb> is debian/dirs absolutely necessary or can I just whack it?
[03:14] <BombTron> well like I said I'll have to train myself a bit but I have taken some c++ in the past
[03:15] <BombTron> and COBOL but is that even used much
[03:15] <zul> cool well there is some docs on the wiki can you start reading
[03:15] <zul> heh i dont think there is much use for cobol
[03:15] <BombTron> well what do you think is best to learn for a launguage
[03:15] <LaserJock> zul: what? we don't have Gnome bindings for COBOL?
[03:16] <LaserJock> ;-)
[03:16] <zul> LaserJock: we dont? :)
[03:16] <zul> BombTron: well i would start with the wiki, maybe go some launchpad bugs and start tryint to fix things
[03:18] <BombTron> will do
[03:18] <LaserJock> zul: I don't see it on http://www.gtk.org/bindings.html
[03:19] <rmjb> BombTron: how new to linux?
[03:19] <zul> zul: have you checked their repo tree possibly HEAD? ;)
[03:21] <BombTron> rmjb: under two years
[03:21] <BombTron> rmjb: windows network admin by day
[03:22] <rmjb> you're comfortable compiling from source then? the ./configure, make, make install dance?
[03:22] <BombTron> rmjb: fairly
[03:22] <rmjb> I'm a windows/Redhat admin by day too
[03:22] <_nixternal> come on LaserJock, treat us to a show of your elite COBOL and Fortran skillz
[03:23] <LaserJock> _nixternal: Fortran yes, COBOL, no
[03:23] <LaserJock> and not elite, just enough to get by as a scientist
[03:23] <_nixternal> i figured at least Fortran, since it is the scientist's language
[03:23] <LaserJock> well, I'm trying to convert the science world to python ;-)
[03:23] <_nixternal> i know QBasic...what can i do with that?
[03:23] <_nixternal> i used to make whicked loops on my Vic20 in the 80s
[03:25] <LaserJock> oh nifty
[03:25] <LaserJock> we still teach Basic for our instrumental analysis class
[03:25] <LaserJock> programming a geiger counter
[03:25] <_nixternal> im learning UNIX/Linux now ;p
[03:32] <rmjb_> ajmitch: looks better now? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3446
[03:34] <Tonio_> imbrandon: so you don't have the refresh/stop merged button ?
[03:36] <imbrandon> Tonio_, ?
[03:37] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the feisty version should have this modified
[03:37] <Tonio_> imbrandon: but that requires that you remove konqueror configuration files in the first place
[03:38] <imbrandon> ahh no i have seperate buttons, watch it if your thinking about auto removing configs
[03:40] <Tonio_> imbrandon: that's not possible
[03:41] <Tonio_> as long as it doesn't break the user's config, I'm fine with it
[03:41] <lastnode> imbrandon, just a wee reminder about the upload :P
[03:42] <imbrandon> lastnode, yea i have to talk to fujitsu as there was no source packages only debs
[03:42] <imbrandon> Tonio_, right on
[03:42] <lastnode> imbrandon, oh right, ive been looking for the man too, cool.
[03:42] <LaserJock> imbrandon: no source for what?
[03:43] <imbrandon> lastnode's project upstream
[03:43] <imbrandon> called "upstream"
[03:43] <lastnode> LaserJock, www.upstreamdev.org
[03:43] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ho did you saw that ? the adept bug installing java is potentially resolved now :)
[03:43] <Tonio_> since java will go gpl soon hehe :)
[03:44] <LaserJock> it's not just java though
[03:44] <LaserJock> although that's probably one of the biggest ones
[03:44] <Tonio_> LaserJock: yeah I know, that was just funy since we discussed that 5 days ago
[03:44] <Tonio_> LaserJock: we know the issue and the fix to that issue
[03:45] <lastnode> imbrandon, i just emailed him
[03:45] <Tonio_> pretty easy to fix though
[03:45] <LaserJock> it's been broken for a long time though hasn't it?
[03:46] <Tonio_> LaserJock: yes, but in fact the fix is pretty easy... just that nobody took care at the moment
[03:46] <LaserJock> :/
[03:46] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i dunno if its been fixed yet, but it should be soon
[03:47] <Tonio_> all we need is a dep on adept and patching the code to set an environment variable while adept is used
[03:47] <Tonio_> that's it
[03:47] <Tonio_> imbrandon: should the dep be on adept or on kubuntu-desktop ?
[03:47] <imbrandon> hrm i dont think so
[03:47] <imbrandon> no
[03:47] <Tonio_> probably the second in my opinion
[03:47] <Tonio_> adept should only recommend it
[03:47] <imbrandon> its a probelm with the way adept handles debconf questions
[03:47] <imbrandon> not a dep
[03:47] <Tonio_> imbrandon: we also need the libperl-qt installed
[03:48] <imbrandon> right, that might fix it
[03:48] <Tonio_> AND set an environement variable so that debconf uses qt on kde
[03:48] <imbrandon> possibly if it works
[03:48] <Tonio_> but we need to define this only if kde is in use in fact
[03:48] <imbrandon> hrm
[03:48] <imbrandon> ok let me test this tonight
[03:49] <imbrandon> i think i know how it can be done
[03:49] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ah you were not there :)
[03:49] <imbrandon> infact i'll try it right now
[03:49] <minghua> does adept use a command line to call apt-get?
[03:49] <Tonio_> we already tested this and it works perfectly
[03:49] <imbrandon> minghua, no
[03:49] <Tonio_> minghua: no
[03:49] <imbrandon> minghua, it uses libept and libapt-fronty like synaptic
[03:49] <minghua> okay, I was hoping just define debconf frontend can fix this :-(
[03:49] <imbrandon> s/y//
[03:49] <Tonio_> imbrandon: what you need to do is to install libqt-perl and run dpkg-reconfigure debconf and choose kde backend
[03:50] <imbrandon> Tonio_, right
[03:50] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i'll do that now
[03:50] <Tonio_> we'll perform an equivalent thing by setting the variable missing in adept code directly
[03:50] <imbrandon> and test and upload if it works
[03:50] <Tonio_> that works perfectly
[03:50] <minghua> Tonio_: if you dpkg-reconfigure debconf, you'll change debconf's behavior in every environment
[03:50] <Tonio_> minghua: that's for *testing*
[03:51] <imbrandon> minghua, thats not the final solution
[03:51] <Tonio_> minghua: this is why the variable will be set with adept and available only when it is in use
[03:51] <imbrandon> right
[03:51] <minghua> Tonio_: yeah, sorry, you second sentence made that clear
[03:51] <Tonio_> minghua: sorry, I though it was clear the first time :)
[03:51] <imbrandon> minghua, heh a frenchman and a chineese man both trying to understand each others english :)
[03:52] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hehe
[03:52] <minghua> no big problem so far :-)
[03:52] <imbrandon> :)
[03:52] <Tonio_> imbrandon: just migrating to feisty
[03:52] <ajmitch> imbrandon: it's ok, we managed to understand whatever you said :)
[03:52] <imbrandon> minghua, i know, but it was a running joke at UDS
[03:52] <Tonio_> imbrandon: to you have an issue with mdadm too ?
[03:52] <minghua> hey, I wasn't at UDS
[03:52] <imbrandon> Tonio_, not that i'm aware of
[03:52] <ajmitch> Tonio_: what sort of problems did you have with mdadm?
[03:53] <Tonio_> ajmitch: let me remove and reinstall first
[03:53] <Tonio_> ajmitch: in fact the service doesn't start
[03:53] <ajmitch> ouch
[03:53] <ajmitch> I've upgraded but not rebooted
[03:53] <Tonio_> ajmitch: yes that's why I'm asking :) this is not a little issue :)
[03:54] <ajmitch> certainly not little, I have / on LVM+RAID
[03:54] <Tonio_> ajmitch: argh !
[03:55] <LaserJock> my feisty upgrade went fine
[03:55] <LaserJock> actually kinda anti-climactic
[03:55] <rmjb> you all run feisty on your main desktops?
[03:55] <Tonio_> rmjb: I'm just doing the migration
[03:56] <rmjb> wow... can't afford to do that... others use this PC
[03:56] <imbrandon> rmjb, i am on my main dev machine, not my main desktop
[03:56] <Tonio_> ajmitch: invoke-rc.d: initscript mdadm-raid, action "start" failed.
[03:56] <Tonio_> this is what I get
[03:57] <LaserJock> rmjb: still  edgy on my main desktop and laptop
[03:57] <LaserJock> dapper on one desktop and feisty on one desktop
[03:57] <Tonio_> ajmitch: error is on "Assembling MD arrays"
[03:57] <Tonio_> but well I don't have raid so it'll be hard for me to test deeply
[03:58] <ajmitch> Tonio_: a small worry
[03:59] <ajmitch> but I trust that fabbione tested it :)
[03:59] <ajmitch> if you don't have raid & it fails, that's not so much of a problem
[03:59] <Tonio_> ajmitch: true :)
[03:59] <ajmitch> if I have raid & I can't boot, then it's a problem
[04:00] <rmjb> ajmitch: /boot on regular partition?
[04:03] <ajmitch> rmjb: always
[04:03] <ajmitch> it's a bit hard to have /boot on LVM on RAID 5
[04:04] <rmjb> true... not quite there yet
[04:07] <rmjb> is there an ubuntu guide for packaging of java apps?
[04:08] <LaserJock> not java specific
[04:08] <rmjb> well I'll find out soon if putting a build-depends on java-gcj-compat-dev was the right thing
[04:11] <ajmitch> rmjb: maybe the debian java policy, I don't know how updated it is
[04:12] <minghua> reading the debian-java list may help too
[04:12] <_nixternal> yes, i would like to learn how to use ubutnutuutntu...can you help me please?
[04:13] <_nixternal> well, i guess none ofyou would get that one, as it was meant for another channel
[04:14] <joejaxx> ajmitch: in fstab the correct notation for reiserfs is just reiserfs right?
[04:15] <LaserJock> _nixternal: we just figured it was another of your random rambling comments ;-)
[04:17] <ajmitch> joejaxx: no idea, I don't use it
[04:23] <_nixternal> on my way home
[04:28] <fernando> hi all, when a package don't have a man page. I need to open a bug and forward it to upstream author?
[04:28] <Burgundavia> fernando: yes
[04:29] <fernando> Burgundavia: it have the manual in pdf format =)
[04:29] <Burgundavia> ah, more interesting
[04:29] <LaserJock> fernando: you can write you're own man page
[04:29] <fernando> LaserJock: i can to use the pdf version to write the man pages?
[04:30] <fernando> i need upstream authorization?
[04:30] <LaserJock> well, I don't know that you need to use the pdf version
[04:30] <LaserJock> just write a simple man page
[04:32] <fernando> ok, thanks
[04:33] <rmjb> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Man-Page/
[04:34] <TheMuso> Or, just look at another man page for reference.
[04:34] <zakame> hi all
[04:34] <TheMuso> Thats what I did for the few man pages I had to write.
[04:36] <TheMuso> Hey zakame
[04:43] <zakame> yo TheMuso
[04:52] <Lathiat> hrm, are the modules on the install cd kernel not identical to all those in the real kernel package?
[04:55] <rmjb> totally off topic, what can I use in Ubuntu to make a greeting card, like I could in MS Publisher?
[04:59] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not really feeling like being the guinea pig for the NewDeveloperProcess spec
[04:59] <minghua> rmjb: inkscape in GNOME, scribus in KDE, should be close enough
[05:01] <rmjb> thanks, I'll check em out
[05:05] <ajmitch> LaserJock: why would you be?
[05:07] <LaserJock> ajmitch: that whole core-dev thing
[05:07] <LaserJock> I'm kinda itchin' to do some work in Edubuntu
[05:07] <imbrandon> LaserJock: its really the same as its been in the past , just on paper now
[05:08] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, but I'm also worried about them thinking about it too much ;-)
[05:08] <imbrandon> :)
[05:08] <TheMuso> I'd be happy to be the guinipig for the new MOTU developer process. :)
[05:08] <LaserJock> yeah, we need some Council Grayskull candidates :-)
[05:09] <TheMuso> I love that name. :)
[05:09] <LaserJock> of course we need a Council Grayskull to do that though
[05:09] <LaserJock> :/
[05:09] <imbrandon> heh yea we have to wait for dholbach for that one
[05:09] <rmjb> Council Grayskull?
[05:10] <imbrandon> rmjb: the new council of MOTU's to approve new MOTU's
[05:10] <imbrandon> and other things
[05:10] <rmjb> :D
[05:10] <rmjb> nice
[05:10] <imbrandon> mostly all the admin stuff thats fallen soley onto daniel untill now
[05:11] <imbrandon> lol
[05:12] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:12] <ajmitch> who else do we need on that team?
[05:13] <LaserJock> umm...... ajmitch
[05:13] <imbrandon> well we need 5 to 7 i thought, and you
[05:13] <ajmitch> not 7
[05:13] <ajmitch> 7 would be far too many
[05:13] <ajmitch> I'd think that 5 would be max
[05:14] <LaserJock> I kinda disagree
[05:14] <imbrandon> yea proably 5
[05:14] <ajmitch> the spec says 5 currently
[05:14] <imbrandon> yea
[05:15] <imbrandon> thatsd what we said at the BoF
[05:15] <ajmitch> LaserJock: disagree with?
[05:15] <TheMuso> I think any more than five could be problematic
[05:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch: that you aren't qualified
[05:15] <ajmitch> LaserJock: oh well, your opinion doesn't matter there ;)
[05:15] <imbrandon> LaserJock: i disagree too with that, ajmitch should definately be on it imho
[05:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch: :(
[05:16] <ajmitch> aw
[05:17] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I don't know if I should be or not
[05:17] <ajmitch> mainly because of time
[05:17] <ajmitch> anyway, it's something that we have to sort out & probably vote about next week
[05:18] <rmjb> certain motus seem really stretched
[05:18] <imbrandon> rmjb: totaly
[05:19] <LaserJock> yes, it seems that the people who are most suited for the job have the least time for it
[05:19] <LaserJock> for the most part
[05:19] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yea i think thats the main reason for 5 , like the TB only 2 or 3 would be "needed" per meeting etc
[05:19] <ajmitch> imbrandon: having 7 means trying to get a consensus or majority would be harder
[05:20] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that's ok, I neither have the time nor am I suitable :)
[05:20] <LaserJock> bah
[05:20] <imbrandon> yea i'm thinking it will work more like the TB since its goverend by them , where only a majority ( 2 in the TB case ) is needed
[05:20] <imbrandon> 3 in our , with 5 total
[05:20] <rmjb> REVU is for multiverse also right?
[05:20] <imbrandon> ours*
[05:20] <ajmitch> imbrandon: that's the intent
[05:20] <ajmitch> rmjb: yes
[05:20] <imbrandon> rmjb: yes
[05:21] <rmjb> if a package is all free, but depends on non-free, where will it be?
[05:21] <imbrandon> multiverse
[05:21] <LaserJock> non-free
[05:21] <rmjb> okay, uploading another package to REVU
[05:21] <rmjb> getting the hang of this
[05:22] <ajmitch> back in a few min
[05:22] <imbrandon> yea we proably should have a another revu day soon so it dosent get TOO backed up, well moreso backed up
[05:22] <LaserJock> yeah, we've got to hammer sponsorship/reviewing hard
[05:22] <imbrandon> start doing those early in the cycle so its not a rush at the end again
[05:23] <rmjb> who else here is a reviewer other than ajmitch? I feel bad harassing him all the time
[05:23] <LaserJock> rmjb: technically any MOTU
[05:23] <imbrandon> when dholbach gets on i'll see if he minds me scheduling a REVU day soonish
[05:23] <rmjb> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3446 ?
[05:23] <imbrandon> rmjb: any MOTU can revu, only certain ones are revu admins and can sync the keyring etc
[05:24] <rmjb> ok
[05:24] <rmjb> and my 2nd package: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3449
[05:25] <minghua> LaserJock: in the Debian sense, the answer to rmjb's question is contrib, not non-free
[05:26] <LaserJock> minghua: well, yeah
[05:26] <LaserJock> but I wasn't talking about Debian, just using his terminology
[05:27] <minghua> LaserJock: true, just to clarify, as there is no non-free in Ubuntu
[05:27] <imbrandon> hahah rock on http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/reflections/20061114-00.html
[05:27] <rmjb> no contrib either no? so it should be multiverse
[05:28] <imbrandon> yes thats what i said, multiverse :)
[05:29] <rmjb> right
[05:33] <LaserJock> not much on them
[05:33] <LaserJock> just some wonderful Flash 9 for crimsun
[05:33] <TheMuso> heh
[05:35] <ajmitch> back
[05:36] <ajmitch> now where were we? :)
[05:37] <LaserJock> well
[05:39] <LaserJock> we all decided that since you have some time to spare you get to be  the motu-sru, motu-uvf, and ubuntu-universe-sponsors teams
[05:39] <LaserJock> oh, and you need to write REVU2 by the end of the year
[05:41] <nixternal> pwnd
[05:42] <LaserJock> hmmm
[05:42] <LaserJock> what happened there
[05:42] <nixternal> freenode is slowly falling apart
[05:42] <LaserJock> well, oftc went too
[05:42] <nixternal> oftc died out as well at the same time
[05:42] <nixternal> ya
[05:44] <ajmitch> imbrandon: tomboy FTW
[05:44] <_MMA_> Its not a big deal. Ill look on the forums again.
[05:44] <rmjb> it's no use... we've already take over the channel
[06:01] <rmjb> G'night all
[06:01] <imbrandon> gnight rmjb
[06:05] <nixternal> blah tomboy, Baskets is much better ;p
[06:06] <imbrandon> bah, basket is ok if i want to take notes for a thesis, not for a simple TODO
[06:07] <imbrandon> simple, networkable, dont have to think about starting/stoping it, finding it, accessable from any computer, secure, TODO
[06:07] <imbrandon> fill those shoes :)
[06:08] <whiprush> what the hell is baskets?
[06:09] <imbrandon> basket is a noteapp that intergrats into kontact, like the notes in outlook or the ones in evolution
[06:09] <whiprush> oh neat.
[06:09] <whiprush> imbrandon: where did you end up drinking on friday night?
[06:09] <whiprush> I got all hammered and you missed it
[06:10] <imbrandon> oh man so did i, i dident hit the rtoom untill sunrise
[06:10] <imbrandon> ok well lets see
[06:10] <imbrandon> we started ( jono orga benc me and ummm someone else ) at the irish pub
[06:10] <imbrandon> then the resturant
[06:10] <whiprush> I am pretty sure I hugged dholbach way too many times.
[06:10] <imbrandon> then the redneckbar, then poolside with a bottle of scotch
[06:11] <imbrandon> whiprush: hahahaha
[06:11] <imbrandon> dude i was soooo hammered friday
[06:11] <imbrandon> actualy i think we all were
[06:12] <imbrandon> i tried to throw daniel into the pool and almost made it in myself
[06:12] <imbrandon> but by that time i was half way threw the scotch with orga and ummm , hell i dont rember there was like 5 of us at the pool untill the sun came up almost
[06:13] <imbrandon> lol
[06:13] <imbrandon> i think i was still hung over untill monday afternoon though
[06:14] <imbrandon> hrm, i think i'm going to blog and ask the lazyweb about my noteapp requirements
[06:15] <ajmitch> hey whiprush
[06:15] <lastnode> imbrandon, Fujtisu is MIA :\
[06:15] <imbrandon> whiprush: where did you end up ? with jono and the dancers?
[06:15] <lastnode> prolly school or something
[06:15] <imbrandon> lastnode: its ok, he will be back arround soonish
[06:15] <imbrandon> no hurries
[06:15] <lastnode> cool
[06:15] <imbrandon> everyone needs time
[06:15] <imbrandon> :)
[06:15] <lastnode> yeah totally, i didn't mean it like that :-)
[06:15] <lastnode> he's been a great packager
[06:17] <minghua> zakame's photo note is so strange -- there are six people on the picture but the note says (L-R) followed by five names :-(
[06:17] <imbrandon> heh
[06:18] <imbrandon> i dont think he is counting the gent in the background
[06:21] <imbrandon> whiprush: where are your pics of MTV ?
[06:21] <imbrandon> heh
[06:23] <imbrandon> hrm has anyone else noticed the -devel ML isnt worth reading anymore
[06:24] <crimsun> that's the impetus for a ubuntu-dev-only list, no?
[06:25] <imbrandon> oh is there one? or going to be one ?
[06:25] <crimsun> I've only read rumours
[06:25] <pygi> morning
[06:25] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:25] <imbrandon> moins
[06:27] <zakame> minghua: oh, I forgot the name of the leftmost guy, heh
[06:27] <zakame> who knows what rumors lurk in teh hearts of MOTUs?
[06:27] <zakame> the crimsun knows!!!
[06:28] <imbrandon> heh
[06:29] <minghua> well, there is a spec about ubuntu-dev-only list
[06:30] <minghua> https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/devel-list
[06:30] <minghua> and approved :-)
[06:30] <zakame> heh a la debian-private
[06:30] <Burgundavia> no, publicly archived
[06:31] <zakame> yet only devs can post, i see?
[06:31] <pygi> zakame, yes,, sadly
[06:31] <TheMuso> I have no problem with that myself.
[06:31] <minghua> publicly archived, and non-devs are only moderated, not rejected, it seems
[06:31] <zakame> ah, I see
[06:31] <zakame> well that's justified
[06:32] <pygi> minghua, right ^_^
[06:32] <pygi> TheMuso, well, since I'm no MOTU,and I won't be able to become one in next 10 years at least :P
[06:32] <zakame> at least not an outright DROP
[06:32] <zakame> pygi: 10 years!?!
[06:32] <pygi> zakame, dunno, just over-rough estimate because of no key-signing :P
[06:33] <zakame> pygi: where you at?
[06:33] <pygi> Croatia
[06:33] <zakame> ah
[06:33] <pygi> what?  :P
[06:33] <minghua> you don't need a signed key to become MOTU, do you?
[06:33] <imbrandon> yes
[06:34] <zakame> yup, for uploading
[06:34] <zakame> he can still be MOTU, but he won't be able to upload by himself
[06:34] <pygi> which is non-sense then :P
[06:34] <minghua> signed by whom, then?
[06:34] <pygi> minghua, a MOTU/core-dev I think
[06:35] <minghua> it's not like we have an ubuntu-keyring
[06:35] <Burgundavia> web of trust
[06:35] <minghua> Hmm, I wonder how my uploads slipped through then...
[06:38] <pygi> minghua, :P
[06:39] <minghua> my key is signed by a DD, so probably they are happy with that
[06:39] <pygi> minghua, right, I think that's fine also
[06:39] <minghua> but I never heard about this
[06:40] <ajmitch> minghua: of course they're happy with DDs
[06:40] <ajmitch> I'd be more happy with signatures by DDs, tbh :)
[06:40] <ajmitch> lucky imbrandon
[06:41] <minghua> in the old Debian days I heard mailing ID photocopies are allowed to sign a key
[06:42] <imbrandon> yea i've heard that also
[06:42] <imbrandon> way back when
[06:42] <minghua> I still suspect the validity of this claim
[06:43] <minghua> freeflying: it seems both of your keys are only signed by yourself, is that true?
[06:43] <minghua> key-signing has always been quite a problem for Chinese people
[06:48] <Burgundavia> minghua: why so?
[06:48] <zakame> i've yet to find a DD aside from sabdfl to sign my key :/
[06:48] <minghua> Because China is big and has very few DDs?
[06:49] <fernando> night all
[06:56] <freeflying> minghua: Anthony. Fok has signed my key
[06:57] <TheMuso> Whats the deal with packages that have been merged with changed po files? I am just comparing the Debian version of a package with a possible merge, and notice po file changes. Should these be documented in the changelog, as they aren't.
[06:58] <minghua> freeflying: oh.  I just can't see it from http://keyserver.ubuntu.com, maybe it's not updated
[06:59] <minghua> TheMuso: I believe yes, po file changes should be listed in changelog just like other changes
[06:59] <TheMuso> THought as much. I guess that the new policy hadn't come into effect so there is nothing about them.
[07:00] <whiprush> imbrandon: I didn't have a camera, if you didn't notice.
[07:00] <imbrandon> whiprush: i dont rember , so many people did , so many dident
[07:00] <imbrandon> whiprush: step away a few ? heheh
[07:01] <whiprush> dude I was too busy buying drinks for everyone
[07:01] <whiprush> so I missed the fun.
[07:01] <whiprush> unless "fun" is watching riddell dancing around in his kilt, heh.
[07:01] <imbrandon> heh
[07:01] <imbrandon> LOL
[07:02] <imbrandon> i probably should have went, but quite a few of us ended up at the redneckbar
[07:03] <imbrandon> ( including jane , now that was funny )
[07:03] <imbrandon> that was the main reason i dident goto the dance club, i dident wanan pay $30 for the cab back to sunnyvale
[07:04] <imbrandon> :)
[07:04] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Sounds like you had a ball over there.
[07:05] <imbrandon> TheMuso: yea afterhours was "intresting" to say the leaste most nights
[07:05] <TheMuso> heh
[07:05] <imbrandon> especialy friday night ( but really every night )
[07:05] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm curious why the skype .deb package isn't in the repos...  ?
[07:06] <imbrandon> FunnyLookinHat: becouse its not free to distribute, nor open source
[07:06] <FunnyLookinHat> Neither is opera, and it's in an official ubuntu repo  :-/
[07:06] <imbrandon> in the canonical commercial one yes, becouse opera approached canonical
[07:07] <FunnyLookinHat> Oooh, ok
[07:07] <FunnyLookinHat> So skype hasn't approached canonical on it...   makes sense  : )
[07:07] <FunnyLookinHat> ty
[07:07] <imbrandon> and its not in a ubuntu official repo, its in a canonical one , there is a slight diffrence
[07:07] <imbrandon> :)
[07:08] <freeflying> minghua: ya, I haven't updated yet
[07:11] <TheMuso> Heya Hobbsee. How many exams left? :
[07:11] <TheMuso> :)
[07:12] <Hobbsee> hey again all
[07:12] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: 2, now :)
[07:12] <elkbuntu> ooh.. im missing uds talk?
[07:12] <imbrandon> ugh mdam already broken
[07:13] <imbrandon> mdadm
[07:13] <imbrandon> ajmitch: you had any issues with it yet ?
[07:15] <zakame> Hobbsee: so you should be ready to party then?
[07:16] <Hobbsee> zakame: nah...be ready to study for the other two... :(
[07:16] <zakame> then ready to party right? :P
[07:16] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:17] <zakame> -cool
[07:17] <zakame> mreging nip2 now
[07:17] <zakame> merging
[07:17] <Hobbsee> zakame: dholbach wanted all of his merges done for him in universe, fyi
[07:18] <zakame> Hobbsee: noted, will get to that later
[07:18] <whiprush> imbrandon: dude, we need some kubuntu stuff for the next UWN, care to join in #ubuntu-marketing?
[07:18] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[07:18] <imbrandon> whiprush: yup
[07:19] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: So you have finished or you haven't finished for the year?
[07:20] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i will have, after the last two exams
[07:20] <TheMuso> Right. When are they?
[07:23] <TheMuso> And afaik, bdebian won't be able to help out much till December I think it was.
[07:23] <TheMuso> So I'm working on a few of his. :)
[07:24] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: tuesday
[07:47] <crimsun> TheMuso: there seems to be a debdiff origin mismatch for bug 72011
[07:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72011 in adonthell-data "adonthell-data: Please review/upload this merged package." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72011
[07:48] <crimsun> TheMuso: err, sorry, scratch that. I was looking at the non-data source.
[08:04] <TheMuso> crimsun: Thanks heaps dude. Once the new MOTU process is set up, I'll be in there as soon as physically possible. :)
[08:13] <StevenK> TheMuso: I'm happy to cheer squad for you.
[08:15] <StevenK> Tonio_: Hey. So you're happy for me to pull wengophone 2 from Debian?
[08:15] <siretart> StevenK: new core-dev process? huh?
[08:15] <siretart> morning, motus!
[08:15] <zakame> yo siretart ! =D
[08:15] <StevenK> siretart: Doesn't NewDeveloperProcess also encompass new core-dev members?
[08:16] <Tonio_> StevenK: it will not work on ubuntu anyway........
[08:16] <StevenK> Tonio_: Oh? Why not?
[08:16] <Tonio_> StevenK: wengophone doesn't work with qt4.2
[08:16] <StevenK> Ahh
[08:16] <Tonio_> this is why I didn't upload my package (I did it before debian)
[08:16] <StevenK> Right.
[08:16] <Tonio_> StevenK: by the way I'm looking at the debian package to see exactly how it builds
[08:17] <StevenK> Tonio_: "Badly", I'm guessing. :-P
[08:17] <Tonio_> the packaging is very (too much) complex and there are strange things in it, like the lang etc......
[08:17] <Tonio_> I don't see them building
[08:18] <StevenK> Hrm. A DD that I don't know maintains it.
[08:18] <Tonio_> E: Couldn't find package portaudio19-dev
[08:18] <Tonio_> will not build in ubuntu anyway :)
[08:18] <StevenK> I have a merge waiting for libept to get sucked in.
[08:18] <StevenK> I'm hoping it will happen automagically.
[08:18] <Tonio_> StevenK: in fact wengophone has 2 possible build systems : cmake and scons
[08:19] <Tonio_> he uses cmake and I use scons
[08:19] <StevenK> Tonio_: Ugh, they both suck.
[08:19] <Tonio_> I'm not very comfortable with cmake, that's why I'm a bit embarrassed :)
[08:19] <StevenK> Heh
[08:19] <Tonio_> StevenK: but yes as long as the debian package builds on ubuntu (which is not the case now, mine does...) we should use the debian one
[08:19] <StevenK> I know a very little about scons. Enough to know I don't want to know more.
[08:20] <Tonio_> StevenK: well if you look at my packaging, you'll see it is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy easier
[08:20] <StevenK> Heh
[08:20] <Tonio_> his package is........ wow, complex
[08:20] <Tonio_> but maybe better I don't know :)
[08:26] <Tonio_> StevenK: his package depends on qt4.2...
[08:27] <StevenK> Yes, I saw that.
[08:27] <Tonio_> StevenK: might be interesting to check if that works once libportaudio is available
[08:27] <Tonio_> StevenK: maybe building with cmake resolves the issue
[08:27] <StevenK> Tonio_: Maybe, but that would suprise me.
[08:27] <Tonio_> the point is that the qt4.2 issue is known issue
[08:27] <StevenK> I'm still unsure if new packages in Debian are pulled into Ubuntu automatically.
[08:28] <Tonio_> StevenK: yes but I would be surprised that a non working app is uploaded to debian
[08:28] <StevenK> Tonio_: I can fire up a sid chroot and try it, if you like
[08:28] <Tonio_> StevenK: http://dev.openwengo.com/trac/openwengo/trac.cgi/ticket/1053
[08:28] <Tonio_> here is the issue (and I can confirm this)
[08:29] <Tonio_> StevenK: eventually if you can yes I would be interested
[08:29] <StevenK> Tonio_: Sure, I'll do it when I get back after dinner.
[08:29] <Tonio_> StevenK: okay, please let me know :)
[08:29] <StevenK> Tonio_: Certainly.
[08:53] <TheMuso> What dir by default does pbuilder use as its hook dir?
[08:54] <palski> TheMuso: Isn't that defined in /etc/pbuilderrc?
[08:54] <TheMuso> tis too
[08:54] <TheMuso> Thanks.
[09:25] <imbrandon> extra extra , read all the gossip, UWN 21 is out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue21
[09:38] <\sh> moins
[09:39] <Burgundavia> hey \sh
[09:39] <\sh> hey Burgundavia...how's life and work? :)
[09:40] <Burgundavia> the former is pretty good, the latter frustrating
[09:41] <\sh> Burgundavia: so, it's not different from mine ;)
[09:41] <sivang> \sh: hey dude, how are you ?
[09:41] <Burgundavia> \sh: your managment is probbably saner than mine
[09:42] <\sh> sivang: I took some free days from work, and just sitting here at GFs place and just wait to visit the linuxworld expo in cologne
[09:42] <\sh> Burgundavia: I don't think so, our management is sometimes insane ;)
[09:42] <sivang> \sh: oh cool, you seem to visit quite a lot of linux events, well, germany does have lots of them I guess ;)
[09:42] <Burgundavia> my managment is always insane
[09:43] <sivang> Burgundavia: technically clueless product management?
[09:43] <Burgundavia> sivang: much worse
[09:43] <Burgundavia> don't grok how to wokr in the community/upstream and thus our product suffers
[09:43] <\sh> sivang: it would be my third event this year...
[09:43] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[09:43] <\sh> hey ajmitch
[09:44] <sivang> \sh: :-)
[09:44] <sivang> Burgundavia: the problem is that you have another very good going in that manner to compare to ;)
[09:45] <Burgundavia> sivang: failure after my repeated attempts show unwillingness to learn
[09:47] <sivang> Burgundavia: After seeing what I had seen in my former work place, I don't think such bodies want or need to learn, they have cathedral style marketing and sales approaches, and their communities are mostly constructed by people with different agendas to the products they do open source, I stopped thinking this is a problem as they do have their very important position in the market, and do steem nice things as a result.
[09:48] <sivang> seriously, this could result in great products and floss software
[09:48] <Burgundavia> sivang: fine if your product is not desktop linux
[09:48] <sivang> Burgundavia: ah, indeed :p
[09:48] <sivang> I wasn't aware of that
[09:48] <sivang> Burgundavia: what is that your company produces again? mass install and configruation control solutions?
[09:48] <Burgundavia> given how quickly everybody is innovating in taht space, we are behind the ball badly
[09:49] <sivang> I see.
[09:49] <Burgundavia> public computing, managed computing, multiseatX stuff
[10:14] <Q-FUNK> what would you guys do with bug #2620 ?
[10:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2620 in cups-pdf "cups-pdf broken after upgrade to Breezy" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2620
[10:15] <Burgundavia> "I had read a while back that Quinn Storm had been talking about creating an entire new DE around Beryl" umm...
[10:15] <Q-FUNK> it dates back from Breezy and the user cannot see to be bothered with upgrading.
[10:15] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: where is that from ?
[10:15] <Burgundavia> random forum post
[10:16] <imbrandon> jez
[10:16] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: you're surprised at all?
[10:16] <ajmitch> I've heard the same thing from quinn
[10:16] <Burgundavia> not really
[10:16] <Burgundavia> or the "automatix + beryl" sticky
[10:16] <imbrandon> ajmitch: she err quinn said that ?
[10:16] <ajmitch> imbrandon: what issues have you had with mdadm, before I kill my box?
[10:16] <ajmitch> imbrandon: heh yes
[10:17] <imbrandon> ajmitch: that it dont finish the postinstall
[10:17] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I never had that
[10:17] <Burgundavia> http://forum.beryl-project.org/topic-1037-compiz-for-nvidia-automatix
[10:17] <imbrandon> the first updatye i had it dodent
[10:17] <imbrandon> but now ( later tonight ) it started'
[10:17] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you use raid?
[10:17] <imbrandon> no
[10:18] <imbrandon> but i have a feeling it would be broke atm if i did
[10:18] <imbrandon> one sec
[10:18] <ajmitch> imbrandon: so comforting, I'm about ready to reboot & try it
[10:18] <imbrandon> one sec
[10:19] <imbrandon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32086/
[10:19] <imbrandon> check that first
[10:19] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I've seen that in the past
[10:20] <ajmitch> and I think it's safe to ignore
[10:20] <imbrandon> kk good
[10:20] <imbrandon> well it never go's away ( so far )
[10:20] <imbrandon> every time i dist upgrade it trys to configure it again
[10:21] <imbrandon> but it says its running etc, i wonder if i stop the service then upgrade if it would finish
[10:21] <ajmitch> it's probably failing since you don't have raid
[10:21] <ajmitch> and it's trying to start non-existent arrays
[10:21] <imbrandon> probably
[10:22] <imbrandon> but that is the only issue i have run into so far
[10:22] <imbrandon> well and my desktop icons have dissapeared but i think thats becouse ..... well i dunno
[10:22] <imbrandon> but its a kde only issue
[10:22] <imbrandon> as far as functioning everything else seems ok
[10:22] <ajmitch> so you & 2 other people will see that icons issue :)
[10:23] <imbrandon> hahaha
[10:23] <imbrandon> i was/am actualy suprised at the kubuntu numbers
[10:24] <imbrandon> i figured it was about 1/3 kubuntu to 2/3 ubuntu but its more like 51/kubuntu 49/ubuntu , but you couldent tell from the press :)
[10:24] <ajmitch> haha
[10:24] <ajmitch> I'm sure it is, really ;)
[10:24] <imbrandon> well thats the download numbers , who knows for sure
[10:24] <imbrandon> anyhow, brb
[10:24] <ajmitch> & hope it comes up
[10:24] <imbrandon> :)
[10:25] <imbrandon> good luck
[10:25] <ajmitch> lucky me, I'm mentioned in the UWN
[10:26] <imbrandon> hehe i just helped with it a bit and havent even ready the WHOLE thing, only about 80% of it
[10:26] <imbrandon> ahh yup , the libvirt
[10:26] <imbrandon> i dont think my name is actualy in the letter anywhere ( other than the bottom )
[10:27] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, that's usually my contribution level to it
[10:27] <ajmitch> imbrandon: it will be next time
[10:27] <imbrandon> heh
[10:27] <imbrandon> actualy i tink i made the last 2 , thats good enough for me
[10:28] <ajmitch> since I was in a bof at the time
[10:28] <imbrandon> i missed about half of it , i saw the last half
[10:28] <imbrandon> in person
[10:28] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:29] <elkbuntu> heh. ajmitch... please tell me our bof is out of frame
[10:29] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: of course it is
[10:29] <ajmitch> it's fully focused on the man of the hour
[10:29] <imbrandon> i cant beleave the video is an hour long
[10:29] <imbrandon> i was way way way in the back on the red couch
[10:29] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:30] <elkbuntu> dude, you remember the couch colors?
[10:30] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: the red couch is famous!
[10:30] <imbrandon> there was only 2, red and black
[10:30] <ajmitch> blue
[10:30] <imbrandon> err dark blue
[10:31] <elkbuntu> yeah, i was about to say.. if that were the case.. then i dont know where i took the photo of a certain someone sleeping
[10:31] <imbrandon> hahah who did you catch sleeping ?
[10:31] <elkbuntu> speaking of, i need to go through my photos and decide which are worth putting up somewhere
[10:31] <imbrandon> ohhh kwwii , thats right
[10:31] <ajmitch> I don't think I've seen myself in any photos yet :)
[10:32] <elkbuntu> ok, so i include ones with you in them
[10:32] <imbrandon> i have only seen riddells and tonios and seele's
[10:32] <imbrandon> i still wanna see daniels and simons
[10:32] <imbrandon> lh ?
[10:33] <ajmitch> leslie, of course
[10:33] <imbrandon> ahh
[10:33] <imbrandon> we need to rope her onto irc sometime
[10:33] <ajmitch> I've seen her on irc
[10:33] <ajmitch> SoC channel back when it was active
[10:33] <imbrandon> what nick ?
[10:33] <elkbuntu> her fiancee's family is in town currently i believe, so now is not a good time
[10:34] <StevenK> imbrandon: daniels isn't that interesting.
[10:34] <ajmitch> imbrandon: lh :)
[10:34] <imbrandon> heh
[10:35] <ajmitch> going round in circles here...
[10:35] <imbrandon> man see i was gonna lay down, and got to chatting and opened a new mt dew out of habbit
[10:35] <imbrandon> darn it
[10:35] <ajmitch> hah
[10:35] <ajmitch> addict
[10:35] <imbrandon> :)
[10:39] <imbrandon> hrm maybe if i get on at GSI i can have them run a ubuntu mirror :)
[10:39] <StevenK> It's more fun to run one yourself.
[10:39] <imbrandon> well i have one here
[10:39] <imbrandon> at home, but that does no one else any good
[10:39] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:40] <StevenK> It does me good, which is good enough for me.
[10:40] <imbrandon> true
[10:40] <imbrandon> does my pbuilders good
[10:40] <imbrandon> :)
[10:46] <StevenK> imbrandon: I notice you were holding a Mountain Dew in the Kubuntu photo. Do you sleep with one with a can in your hand?
[10:46] <StevenK> s/with one//
[10:47] <imbrandon> hahaha
[10:47] <imbrandon> nah, too cold
[10:47] <StevenK> Like that'd stop you.
[10:47] <imbrandon> hahah no but it would stop "her" and thats nuff
[10:48] <StevenK> Surely it's a case of "Love me, love the Mountain Dew" ?
[10:49] <imbrandon> :)
[10:49] <StevenK> Tonio_: wengophone from Debian works fine in a sid chroot.
[10:50] <elkbuntu> most people would be satisfied with just a caffeine intravenous drip... imbrandon wants the sugar, et al as well
[10:51] <TheMuso> Most people would be satisfied with water.
[10:51] <imbrandon> :)
[10:51] <imbrandon> thats why dew is better than coffee , teh sugarrrr
[10:52] <elkbuntu> at least your mt dew gets to be caffeinated :(
[10:52] <StevenK> Indeed.
[10:53] <StevenK> I was so tempted to smuggle some out of Finland when I was over there.
[10:55] <ajmitch> zul will be so happy - amd64 xen kernel panics & reboots still
[10:56] <ajmitch> & my desktop is not booting, yay
[10:57] <StevenK> imbrandon: I can't help but think of you in regards to this comic.
[10:57] <StevenK> imbrandon: http://www.reallifecomics.com/archive/060823.html
[10:57] <StevenK> imbrandon: Just replace Pepsi with Mountain Dew.
[10:59] <ajmitch> hm
[10:59] <ajmitch> this is odd
[10:59] <imbrandon> AHAHHAHA
[10:59] <imbrandon> ok i'm off to sleep
[10:59] <imbrandon> gnight all
[11:00] <ajmitch> night imbrandon
[11:00] <elkbuntu> g'nite dude
[11:02] <StevenK> ALSA: underrun, at least 0ms.
[11:02] <StevenK> You don't say, ALSA!
[11:05] <ajmitch> yay for initramfs race conditions
[11:17] <Adri2000> hi
[11:20] <imbrandon> ajmitch: StevenK ^^
[11:20] <fernando> moin all
[11:58] <StevenK> Heh, saw it before.
[12:15] <Adri2000> hi Fujitsu
[12:18] <Fujitsu> Hi Adri2000.
[12:26] <Adri2000> Fujitsu: the licensing issues for homebank are clarified, the two files are gpl :)
[12:26] <Adri2000> Fujitsu: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3442
[12:31] <pianoboy3333> Can anyone here help me with my gpg? Now, if my hard drive gets wiped for w/e reason, how can I save my gpg?
[12:35] <Fujitsu> Hey Hobbsee.
[12:35] <Fujitsu> pianoboy3333: Back up ~/.gnupg
[12:36] <Hobbsee> hey Fujitsu.  merged all of universe yet?
[12:36] <Fujitsu> Not quite.
[12:36] <Fujitsu> Been at work.
[12:36] <Hobbsee> awwww
[12:36] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: where are you working?
[12:36] <Fujitsu> (yes, I've actually got a job)
[12:36] <Fujitsu> Stuff That Works, as a Linux sysadminy-type thing.
[12:36] <ajmitch> fun
[12:37] <StevenK> Multiple job titles, or sysadmining? :-)
[12:37] <ajmitch> both :)
[12:37] <StevenK> Me too. :-)
[12:38] <StevenK> Thankfully, I have someone I can wave at the 2 Windows servers at work.
[12:38] <Fujitsu> Most of our clients have Windows boxen, but there are a multitude of others to handle them :)
[12:40] <phanatic> could anyone have a look at this please: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3413 ?
[12:40] <ajmitch> ok, AD is up & running, now I can play
[12:40] <sivang> ajmitch: active directory?
[12:41] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: What are you doing with it?
[12:43] <ajmitch> sivang: yes
[12:43] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: playing :)
[12:45] <sivang> Fujitsu: let's just say that a couple of folks had too much fun with AD , ubuntu and friends over UDS :p
[12:45] <sivang> ajmitch is one of 'em
[12:45] <ajmitch> sivang: they did?
[12:46] <ajmitch>  kerberos_kinit_password Administrator@AD.AJMITCH.NET.NZ failed: Cannot resolve network address for KDC in requested realm
[12:46] <sivang> ajmitch: that waht I could guess watching the IRC going at the time
[12:46] <ajmitch> what a pain
[12:46] <sivang> ;)
[12:53] <ajmitch> Joined 'AUGUSTINE' to realm 'AD.AJMITCH.NET.NZ'
[12:53] <ajmitch> ok
[12:54] <ajmitch> going well
[12:59] <Adri2000> Fujitsu: I have to wait for a new upstream release with the license headers? :(
[12:59] <Fujitsu> Yup :(
[01:00] <Adri2000> ok, I will send a new email to the author
[02:24] <ChaosFan> wg 36
[02:26] <mr_pouit> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/SRU << is this page up-to-date ?
[02:33] <viviersf> ajmitch, ping
[03:45] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:06] <zul> hmmm...qiet
[04:18] <sivang> zul: indeed
[04:18] <sivang> zul: weeks after uds seem quiet then usual
[04:19] <giskard> hi sivang
[04:19] <sivang> hey giskard
[04:20] <sivang> giskard: how are you doing?
[04:20] <sivang> giskard: fixed those errornous uploads from yesterday already? :)
[04:20] <giskard> fixed and accepted
[04:20] <geser> mr_pouit: use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU
[04:20] <ivoks> hi all
[04:22] <sivang> hi ivoks
[04:22] <sivang> (again ;))
[04:22] <ivoks> how's the plane? :)
[04:22] <mr_pouit> geser: thanks for the link :)
[04:31] <sivang> ivoks: heh
[05:05] <xopher> Allright, signed and ready to rock ;) Now lets see, upload to revu..
[05:07] <xopher> I read on the wiki that my key needs to be added to the revu-keyring so Im able to do this. Any REVU-admins available?
[06:10] <xopher> What was the cmd to check if a version is considered newer by dpkg?
[06:11] <Mez> dpkg --compare-versions new_ver ">" old_ver
[06:11] <Mez> (i had to ask that myself not too long ago)
[06:19] <xopher> Mez, Thanks
[06:47] <LaserJock> hmm, there is an app that is LGPL but they authors want you to register to download the source, is that Free?
[06:49] <fbond> LaserJock, yes; "Free" only indicates what you're allowed to do with it once you get the source, I think.
[06:50] <fbond> http://www.jasperforge.com <-- these guys engage in that kind of BS, too...
[06:50] <fbond> is your app a Java app, too?  (just out of curiousity...)
[06:50] <LaserJock> no
[06:52] <fbond> oh; just trying to confirm my theory that Java developers tend to fall in the category of people with strong capitalist tendencies that they can't seem to contain :)
[06:53] <Burgwork> LaserJock: yes it is
[06:53] <Burgwork> pykota is like that
[06:54] <Burgwork> however, if you can get hold of binaries, you can get source for "not more than the cost of transmission"
[06:54] <Tonio_> StevenK: so the issue can be due to the scons build........
[06:54] <Tonio_> StevenK: I'll try to make the debian package build on feisty
[06:55] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah, I guess as long as there isn't a prohibition of distributing the source without registration
[06:56] <LaserJock> fbond: hmm, most of the Java apps I'm interested aren't that way
[06:56] <mr_pouit> Quick question -> Bug 66475 : Is there a chance to get it into edgy-updates, or is it better to ask for a backport from feisty (a newer version is available) ?
[06:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66475 in idjc "[DEBDIFF]  Dependency problem" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66475
[06:57] <fbond> LaserJock, I think it's just that most of the "enterprise" apps are in Java, and people doing "enterprise" work usually want to get paid at some point...
[06:58] <LaserJock> ah, the ones I know are "enterprise"
[06:58] <LaserJock> that makes sense
[07:02] <LaserJock> mr_pouit: hmm, I think possibly. Maybe you can email the ubuntu-motu list about it
[07:04] <mr_pouit> LaserJock: ok, thanks
[07:47] <enyc> hrrrm 'devede' package has a missing dependancy on 'vcdimager' in edgy! probably the same in fiesty so far as I can see
[07:52] <Sp4rKy> hi
[07:52] <Sp4rKy> enyc: you said devede has some missing dep ?
[07:52] <pygi> enyc, lemme look pls ^_^
[07:53] <pygi> bleh, multiverse
[07:53] <Sp4rKy> enyc: a new version was released, so i'll upgrade package for feisty
[07:54] <enyc> Sp4rKy: yay ;-)
[07:54] <enyc> Sp4rKy: it will not start without vcdimager for some reason
[07:55] <Sp4rKy> enyc: strange
[07:55] <Sp4rKy> but i write it in my TODO list
[07:55] <enyc> Sp4rKy: well the program/script complains and refuses to run ;-)
[07:55] <Sp4rKy> and update it in few days
[07:55] <enyc> Sp4rKy: so the packages should include a dep ;-)
[07:55] <enyc> Sp4rKy: ok no hurry, thanks ;-)
[07:57] <Sp4rKy> k
[07:57] <enyc> Sp4rKy: coo this is weird...
[07:59] <enyc> "http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/games/prboom" says "prboom (2:2.2.6-3)" but "http://packages.ubuntu.com/prboom" says "feisty"..."2:2.4.6-1: amd64 i386 powerpc"
[08:00] <giskard> any libtool magician?
[08:00] <Sp4rKy> :p
[08:02] <enyc> 2.4.6-1 would make sense, from debian,,, about time had an uptodate version anyway ;-)
[08:02] <enyc> now that 2.4 is mostly stable/sensible ;-)
[08:03] <enyc> anyway im busy
[08:03] <enyc> talk later ;-)
[08:08] <xopher> Any REVU-admins around?
[08:13] <xopher> ajmitch, around?
[08:15] <zul> hes probably sleeping
[08:16] <jwhitlark> imbrandon: 'sup
[08:20] <chantra> geser: are you here?
[08:20] <chantra> you tried to contact me yesterday
[08:24] <geser> chantra: yes, I'm here
[08:25] <geser> I've already seen that you've uploaded a new version of gaim-libnotify to revu
[08:26] <chantra> yep, actually, someone told me about it, as the front page of gaim-libnotify on sourceforge does not inform about it :s
[08:26] <chantra> geser: a small glitch, it make gaim segfault on exit if gaim-libnotify is enabled :s
[08:27] <chantra> but only on exit, so so far , it is a minor bug, but I warn the developper
[08:27] <chantra> hopefully, he will fix it :)
[08:30] <geser> I've looked over your debdiff on revu and found a bug in the package description
[08:30] <chantra> :s
[08:30] <chantra> did you comment it?
[08:30] <geser> no as I don't have a login on revu
[08:31] <geser> and didn't find out how to get one
[08:31] <chantra> whats the bug?
[08:32] <geser> the part after Description: is the short description and is seperate of the long description (the following lines)
[08:33] <geser> so you shouldn't continue the description on the second (indented) line but start from new
[08:33] <ajmitch> xopher: yes?
[08:35] <chantra> okie, I'm adding the short description at the beginnong of the long one :)
[08:35] <geser> ajmitch: xopher wants his key added to revu-keyring to be able to upload
[08:36] <ajmitch> has he joined the team on launchpad?
[08:37] <ajmitch> xopher: raphink already replied to your mail, saying that the keyring was resynced
[08:37] <xopher> yes I have
[08:37] <xopher> Ok, thanks
[08:38] <xopher> *now* I got the mail 
[08:40] <chantra> geser: reuploaded with the change in the desciption
[08:50] <geser> chantra: see http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-best-pkging-practices.en.html#s-bpp-pkg-synopsis how to write a short description
[08:51] <geser> I would suggest something like Description: gaim plugin for displaying notifications with libnotify
[08:53] <geser> don't forget the epoch in depends entry for gaim: gaim (>= 1:2.0.0+beta4)
[08:55] <chantra> geser: yep, this is running on gaim 2 beta4 API
[08:55] <chantra> which is different than 1.5
[08:55] <chantra> or even 2 beta3
[08:56] <lucas> does gimp work for you guys ?
[08:57] <lucas> the splash screen halts on xsane for me
[08:58] <chantra> lucas: works here
[08:58] <chantra> no xsane installed though
[08:58] <lucas> ah, just worked, but stayed on sane for something like 30s
[09:00] <geser> chantra: you have in you control file gaim (>= 2.0.0+beta4) and 2.0.0+beta4 is smaller than 1:1.5.0 (shortened version from gaim in dapper) because of the epoch
[09:01] <chantra> geser: oh yeah, it has to be 1:2.0.0+beta4
[09:02] <chantra> no?
[09:02] <geser> yes
[09:04] <geser> chantra: next bug: the current package ftbfs as it references dpatch in debian/rules but doesn't build-depend on it
[09:04] <geser> as you don't use dpatch you can remove it from the rules file
[09:23] <chantra> geser: reuploaded it :)
[09:34] <geser> chantra: it builds now
[09:40] <zul> so uh someone has released fiesty kind of early http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5694152032.html
[09:40] <bhale> nice
[09:41] <zul> ahhahah...they have their accound suspended
[09:41] <bhale> i think that was the wrong link
[09:42] <bhale> that was about mepis
[09:43] <zul> nope linuxmint.com is suspended
[09:43] <bhale> oh
[09:45] <sivang> is this the not so leagle distro? ;)
[09:49] <bhale> legal
[09:52] <sivang> I never said I know how to spell ;)
[10:07] <Sp4rKy> can i force package installation even if the preinst script returns an arror code ?
[10:11] <Adri2000> Sp4rKy: have you tried --force-all ?
[10:12] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: you can edit the preinst script to fix the problem
[10:13] <Adri2000> LaserJock: good idea :p
[10:15] <geser> LaserJock: according to http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/MaintainerScripts the files are only unpacked if the preinst succeeds
[10:15] <geser> this means the preinst must be fixed in the deb file
[10:16] <LaserJock> ahh, I was assuming it was an upgrade
[10:16] <LaserJock> in which case I believe it tries the previous preinst that does exist
[10:20] <geser> even on upgrade the new files are unpacked if the preinst succeeds
[10:21] <geser> only if
[10:22] <LaserJock> geser: yeah, I but I thought that if the preinst of the new package fails it tries the preinst of the previous version, that is unpacked
[10:22] <LaserJock> so if it's failing on the existing preinst he might be able to fix it
[10:23] <LaserJock> but I could be totally wrong
[10:23] <LaserJock> it's been a while since I read the Debian docs on that
[10:23] <geser> if the old prerm fails dpkg tries the new prerm
[10:24] <geser> the diagrams from Marga are a good help
[10:56] <fgiraldeau> I have a little problem with dput
[10:57] <fgiraldeau> No signature on /home/francis/XTERM/branches/ltsp-cluster/ltsp-loadbalancer_1.2.0-2_i386.changes
[10:58] <fgiraldeau> My packages are signed, I got ltsp-loadbalancer_1.2.0-2.dsc.asc
[10:58] <pygi> fgiraldeau: that means they are not signed.
[10:58] <fgiraldeau> Should I sign the changes file too?
[10:58] <pygi> when you get .asc then it isn't signed :)
[11:00] <LaserJock> fgiraldeau: you shouldn't be uploading binary packages either
[11:00] <fgiraldeau> Right.
[11:06] <fgiraldeau> Ok, I think that the upload succeed.
[11:07] <fgiraldeau> That's the very first time I do that
[11:07] <fgiraldeau> The package is ltsp-loadbalancer
[11:07] <pygi> fgiraldeau: wait, let it appear first :)
[11:08] <fgiraldeau> Ok, thanks
[11:27] <fgiraldeau> Well, should I upload to edgy or fiesty?
[11:27] <LaserJock> for REVU?
[11:27] <dholbach> fgiraldeau: edgy is closed - you can only upload to feisty
[11:28] <fgiraldeau> I did tests only on edgy, I will return to my homeworks.
[11:34] <xopher> How long does it usually take for reviewers to take a look at REVU packages?
[11:36] <ajmitch> xopher: it varies, depending on how busy people are
[11:37] <xopher> Im sure it does, but Im looking for an answer which would describe the time in something more concrete. Like a few days, a week etc..
[11:43] <imbrandon> ajmitch: got a sec ?
[11:45] <ajmitch> imbrandon: briefly
[11:47] <imbrandon> i got it, nvm thanks
[11:47] <imbrandon> but i need a windows guru for one question
[11:47] <imbrandon> lol
[11:47] <imbrandon> gawd i hate windows
[11:50] <nixternal> [16:47:12]  <imbrandon> but i need a windows guru for one question
[11:50] <nixternal> hmmm
[11:50] <nixternal> i hope that questions is "why?"
[11:50] <Burgwork> imbrandon: what is your issue?
[11:52] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I'll just go back to sleep then
[11:55] <imbrandon> Burgwork: its a sql server question i am awnsering for a questionaire
[11:55] <imbrandon> Your MS SQL 2000 server has been setup in Mixed Mode.  You need to login to the server to check what service pack level it is on.  You are not a domain admin.  Can you access the sql server and if so how will you find the service pack level.
[11:55] <imbrandon> ^^ i'm like man i dunno windows
[11:55] <Burgwork> imbrandon: that is a bunch of error messages all at once and I have never played with ms sql 2000
[11:56] <imbrandon> :)
[11:56] <imbrandon> no biggie, it was the only windows question on the whole thing, i just skipped it
[11:56] <Burgwork> http://www.hostmysite.com/support/vps/windows/mixedmode/
[11:56] <Burgwork> apparently it is to do with authentication
[11:57] <Burgwork> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/fq00-035.mspx and http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS01-032.mspx
[11:57] <imbrandon> :)
[11:59] <ajmitch> back later
[11:59] <imbrandon> later
[12:05] <imbrandon> haha i love fabio's changelog for mdadm