[12:12] to test on my hardware, since it's for a fakeraid controller I don't think a chrooted environment will work [12:12] I'll boot from the live cd and test there [12:12] ah ok [12:13] rmjb: how did you determine if the Ubuntu changes weren't needed? [12:13] package builds on feisty pbuilder [12:13] I don't know when the isos daily builds start [12:13] looked at the debian changelog vs. the ubuntu changelogs [12:14] the ubuntu changes included a script, a build dependency and moving the init script... all things the new debian package does and more [12:14] only for the ubuntu change log it moves the init script to a different place [12:15] which is what i'll test on herd1 === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] since I'm recommending reverting to a sync I have to convince an motu for them to upload the sync and discard the changes?? === geser [n=michael@dialin110004.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] imbrandon: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3443 [12:19] also, can I be put as maintainer for the dmraid package? it's currently utnubu and because of that it fell by the wayside for edgy (and was shipped totally broken) [12:19] nixternal, kk, i'll grab it and look in just a sec [12:20] rockin' imbrandon, thanks bro...i gotta goto sKool cuz im Kool [12:23] rmjb, the best way to handle that if you want is subscribe to the bugmail, there are no "maintainers" in ubuntu we do it as a group [12:23] brb afk [12:27] I mean like poppassd's maintainer is set as Adam Conrad https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/poppassd so he'll get notified of bugs for it... I'd like to be that person for dmraid... it can't get any worse than it is now... for it to ship broken [12:27] rmjb: we don't have maintainership in Ubuntu [12:27] rmjb: you can add yourself as a bug contact to dmraid [12:27] oh... I'll look into that [12:28] cool, i'm there === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:29] what's next to get the sync in feisty? [12:29] file a bug, get a MOTU to ack it [12:31] chantra: are you still working on the gaim-libnotify package? === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cr3 [i=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@40-88-199-200.vcnet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubuntu_demon [n=depjayds@s5592b629.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubuntu_demon [n=depjayds@s5592b629.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:25] anyone know how ubuntu calculates how much swap space you need at install? === rasmussenj [n=rasmusse@24-197-217-36.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:28] have you thought about asking -devel since the people who work on the installer are probably there :) [01:29] zul_! [01:29] meh? [01:30] hello [01:30] dholbach: anyone else on the motumergers team? [01:30] than yourself [01:31] there's a mergers team? [01:31] https://launchpad.net/people/motumergers [01:31] there was [01:32] i dunno how I ended up as a team owner [01:32] oh... on this page they still say to assign merge requests to them: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Merging [01:32] https://launchpad.net/people/motumergers/+members [01:32] another old page [01:32] I checked the team and it was only dholbach [01:32] guess I checked the wrong team [01:32] yeah, that page is old [01:32] even refers to bugzilla [01:33] and no mention of the new MoM [01:33] hmm, I thought that one was updated for edgy [01:33] who should be assigned merge/sync requests now? [01:34] joejaxx: SAP recommends 3xRAM + 500MB for swap... but that's for SAP [01:34] to get them uploaded, subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors [01:35] we should drop the unnecessary info from that page === ajmitch hopes this kernel works [01:36] i just unsubscribed the team from a bunch of bugs etc [01:36] it's what I was working from... is there a fresher page somehere LaserJock? [01:36] speaking of wiki clean up, check out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sandbox/MOTU [01:36] rmjb: not sure, let me see [01:37] there is [01:37] shesh, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Merging is no good either [01:38] well, we have the school session by the one & only crimsun [01:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/Merging-and-Syncing [01:38] is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources the best right now? [01:38] yeah, saw that page too... both got me confused [01:38] the legendary hacker [01:38] DeveloperResources should always be up to date [01:38] uhhhh, "legendary" [01:38] but primarily for Main [01:39] of course, but we shouldn't deviate from main that much [01:39] Hey MOTUs. [01:39] no, but it doesn't say anything about a MOTU ack [01:39] hello TheMuso [01:39] which is important === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:42] after reading DeveloperResources I wonder if my sync request is fine: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/71980 [01:42] Malone bug 71980 in dmraid "dmraid: merge new debian version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [01:43] rmjb: no, you'll really need to add in the changelog entries [01:44] ajmitch: and is it a sync or a merge? [01:44] a sync [01:44] so it needs retitled [01:44] I just updated the title [01:44] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/71980 [01:44] Malone bug 71980 in dmraid "dmraid: sync new debian version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [01:48] is dh_iconcache still needed? [01:49] frequently yes [01:49] if it dosent use the gnome or kde .mk via cdbs , then yes [01:49] as imbrandon said === ajmitch breaks his box in a spectacular way [01:49] ah, I knew it was in the gnome and kde cdbs, I thought maybe it was folded into regular debhelper too [01:49] (upgraded dbus) [01:49] ajmitch, hehe [01:50] imbrandon: I have to reboot it tonight anyway, so I may as well upgrade dbus ;) [01:50] i've been running full feisty for ~24 hours now, no major breakage, i'm waiting till next week when all hell breaks loose [01:50] oh my laptop was running feisty all last week [01:50] why will all hell break loose next weak? [01:50] *week [01:50] it's just certain packages that are fun [01:51] plugwash: because the canonical developers will be back tackling stuff [01:51] plugwash: because a lot of the devs are still at a conference? [01:51] ahh got to love my little brother, he and his wife are fighting so he bought beer and just showed up :) [01:51] ajmitch: looks okay now? [01:51] Hobbsee: punching through flaming boards! [01:51] exactly! [01:51] heh [01:51] :) [01:52] Hobbsee! [01:52] bhale!!! [01:52] I wondered if that was either an analogy or a stress release thing ;-) [01:52] ajmitch, did you see jono's "item" ? [01:52] imbrandon: nope? [01:52] LaserJock, a workers comp thing, they cant type with burnt hands [01:52] hah [01:52] ajmitch, ahh i will have to find the pic, they all had to bring an item that tells something about them [01:53] rmjb: it's a bit hard to follow the changelog - general practice is to paste the full relevant changes including version [01:53] jono showed us the pic he brough that he drew as a 5 year old of a man in a redhat with the word redhat above it [01:53] ajmitch, ^ [01:53] was kinda funny [01:53] haha [01:54] oh fun, mdadm upgrade [01:54] hopefully the RAID array comes back up [01:55] crap... I just understood what you said ajmitch, but I already pasted the changelog from the ubuntu version to the newest... [01:56] ajmitch, http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=759 ( he brought this real paper pic to UDS for the all hands meeting , for the "item" that tells alot about you ) [01:57] impressive artwork [01:58] he said he drew it when he was 5 lol [01:58] I take it redhat was not out then... I assume he's older than 16? [01:58] rmjb, yes much [01:59] being the community manager and all [01:59] probably double that, i forgot his actual age, i think he is one year older than me iirc === _nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:00] who now? [02:00] jono? [02:00] yea [02:00] yes, lord bacon [02:00] early 30s sounds right [02:00] yea i turn 30 in december :( === imbrandon feels old [02:01] <_nixternal> you are old === Hobbsee steals imbrandon's walking frame [02:03] heh [02:03] <_nixternal> hahaha [02:03] age is how you feel [02:04] ajmitch: I think I finally put the correct/relevant info in the request, is it okay now? [02:04] imbrandon, you're really going to hate me now.. but --> http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=769 === elkbuntu runs and hides behind Hobbsee [02:05] lol === Hobbsee isnt big enough to run and hide behind [02:05] elkbuntu: hide behind ajmitch. that'd work better [02:05] wow, I'm older than bacon! [02:05] rmjb: looks good [02:06] by a few weeks [02:06] ajmitch: thanks === LaserJock passes out some canes [02:09] old people in here [02:10] LaserJock: can i have one too? it makes a useful poking implement === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp1-105.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:10] LaserJock: careful, boy! [02:10] Hobbsee: you've already got one [02:11] ajmitch: I know, I know. It's just I've got to get these in before my birthday [02:11] 3 days left [02:11] I'll only take one of those canes if it's sugar cane... haven't had that in years === rmjb notices a lot of virgos [02:12] LaserJock: how old? [02:12] the big 2-5 [02:13] wow... 1/4 century (that makes it sound worse) [02:13] ah, so you're a few months older than I === Hobbsee attacks LaserJock with her Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [02:13] 8| === ajmitch doesn't hit the 1/4 century mark until june === rmjb bloomed bloomin late === LaserJock whips out his laser and chops Hobbsee's stick in half === Hobbsee shines the laser in LaserJock's eyes === ajmitch thinks we need a newer wine version in feisty [02:14] thank goodness I put on my laser safety goggles === _MMA_ thinks -motu and -devel are funny today. :) === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] <_MMA_> LaserJock: 25? wow. I would have thought you were at least my age. === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] _MMA_: 4 years of grad school will do that to a person :/ [02:16] <_MMA_> :) [02:17] I'm still the youngest person in my research group [02:17] *and* the senior grad student ;-) [02:17] <_MMA_> Wait till you have kids. :) [02:17] I don't think I could handle it === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] <_MMA_> just let TV and the internet raise 'em. [02:20] once they were hooked on Ubuntu I can have them doing my merges for me [02:21] haha [02:21] <_MMA_> Im gonna have mine work on a replacement for PulseAudio. :) [02:22] _MMA_: why a replacement? [02:22] <_MMA_> Joke. [02:22] ah [02:22] that lack of context thing [02:24] <_MMA_> It was a question at UDS. Why basically. Many people thought GSt was supposed to be the "end all be all". [02:24] gst doesnt solve the same problem as pulseaudio at all [02:25] it could be used there but it isnt an intrinsic feature === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] <_MMA_> PulseAudio seemed to come from wanting a particular feature set. [02:25] it came from wanting to replace esd [02:25] <_MMA_> Syncing sound cards across machines and whatnot. [02:25] for software mixing [02:26] <_MMA_> Well. I hope it is the "end all be all". At least for desktop use. [02:27] why does one thing have to be that [02:27] gstreamer is a library for playing sounds, with plugable input/output/codec bits [02:27] pulseaudio is a daemon for mixing sounds [02:28] it doesnt play an mp3 off the disk [02:28] gst does [02:28] <_MMA_> Because every other app uses something different for sound. Everyone said OSS was on the way out but then things like Quake4 still use it. [02:28] right pulseaudio is like alsa or oss, not gst or xine === bhale sighs very deeply [02:28] come on [02:28] you are so mixed up I cant even adress [02:29] oss is somewhat in the same place on the stack as alsa [02:29] which is not gstreamer or pulse [02:29] _MMA_, your totaly mixing up you programs [02:29] please think this through [02:29] before you say "end all be all" [02:29] read about why we need pulse audio [02:29] it isnt anything to do with OSS or ALSA really [02:30] rather disconnected from gstreamer [02:30] bhale, right its totaly needed but they said at the bof untill it has an oss compat layer [02:31] alsa has one? [02:31] yes [02:31] why should pulse [02:31] <_MMA_> Hey Im not quoting me. This was from people at UDS. [02:31] mixing sounds from oss apps is a requirement? [02:31] _MMA_: Gah. [02:31] Burgwork: please help us distribute clue [02:32] bhale, yes mixing oss sounds was a reqirement according to mdz [02:32] <_MMA_> Ha! You cant in a calm way? [02:32] bhale: about to head home. I have spent all my clue pouring into the endless pit that is Userful === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] because of old 3rd party apps that are oss only [02:32] there shouldnt be many in main [02:32] esp in desktop [02:33] bhale, well it wasent based only about whats in main, about even 3rd party apps [02:33] thats lame [02:33] but ok. [02:33] i dident say it was my decesion but i see the point [02:33] in any case it isnt a cause to start from scratch with pulseaudio [02:33] :) === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-46-187.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] in a project to encompass replacing gst [02:34] right === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] gst would still be ontop of pa === LaserJock lost the point of this discussion [02:34] LaserJock: Distributing Clue [02:34] ah === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar === bhale waits for someone to throw out another sound related technology [02:35] DMIX!!! [02:35] If OSS apps weren't looked after, I know myself, as well as a few people in the blind Linux community wouldn't be happy. [02:35] <_MMA_> bhale: Is that what you kids call having a chat? [02:35] haha [02:35] so did anybody look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sandbox/MOTU [02:35] I need some feedback people [02:35] :-0 === cr3 [i=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:36] LaserJock: beside the depressing stats, you need a link called "how can I help?" [02:36] Burgwork: yep [02:36] perhaps I can rephrase it [02:36] but that's what people usually ask [02:36] LaserJock: I would munge the stats into a larger section called "current status" [02:36] LaserJock: looks good to me === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:36] and those stats will almost always be out of date === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:36] Burgwork: well, that's sort of a place holder until we get out a weekly status report [02:37] whoo! barnacle actually works :D [02:37] LaserJock: s/MOTU Hopefuls/So you want to be a MOTU?/ [02:37] Burgwork: have that to be more of a FAQ [02:38] LaserJock: your teams should be a list, not a table and should be linked [02:38] otherwise, looks good :) [02:38] well, yeah === Burgwork heads home [02:38] not sure about the table thing === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:38] I spend about 10 secs trying to figure out the column/row headings [02:38] then I realized it was a list, hiding as a table [02:39] fine, be that way ;p [02:40] -> Considering libgnome2-dev (>= [02:40] dpkg: --compare-versions bad relation [02:40] O_O [02:40] interesting [02:40] LaserJock: as someone that recently started the motu process this page is looking promising [02:41] libgnome2-dev (>= 2.16.0) [02:41] looks normal to me [02:41] rmjb: any suggestions for additions/subtractions? [02:41] any enlightening suggestions as to why an edgy pbuilder would spit out such an error on feisty xchat-gnome? [02:42] I *just* found out today about the Candidates page... and the end of the Hopefuls section you could link to that [02:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates [02:42] likewise error in feisty pbuilder [03:08] can someone take a look at my pmplib package for feisty? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3445 === BombTron [n=mattk@ip24-254-12-197.rn.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:11] hello [03:13] rmjb: having something in debian/copyright would be a good thing [03:13] hello BombTron [03:13] rmjb: and debian/dirs probably doesn't need /usrbin & /usr/sbin [03:13] hi, listen I'm green but looking to get involved [03:14] windows network admin by day but looking to code and get into open source more [03:14] any ideas [03:14] well what can you do/ [03:14] is debian/dirs absolutely necessary or can I just whack it? [03:14] well like I said I'll have to train myself a bit but I have taken some c++ in the past [03:15] and COBOL but is that even used much [03:15] cool well there is some docs on the wiki can you start reading [03:15] heh i dont think there is much use for cobol [03:15] well what do you think is best to learn for a launguage [03:15] zul: what? we don't have Gnome bindings for COBOL? [03:16] ;-) [03:16] LaserJock: we dont? :) [03:16] BombTron: well i would start with the wiki, maybe go some launchpad bugs and start tryint to fix things [03:18] will do [03:18] zul: I don't see it on http://www.gtk.org/bindings.html [03:19] BombTron: how new to linux? [03:19] zul: have you checked their repo tree possibly HEAD? ;) === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-131-173.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] rmjb: under two years [03:21] rmjb: windows network admin by day [03:22] you're comfortable compiling from source then? the ./configure, make, make install dance? [03:22] rmjb: fairly [03:22] I'm a windows/Redhat admin by day too [03:22] <_nixternal> come on LaserJock, treat us to a show of your elite COBOL and Fortran skillz [03:23] _nixternal: Fortran yes, COBOL, no [03:23] and not elite, just enough to get by as a scientist [03:23] <_nixternal> i figured at least Fortran, since it is the scientist's language [03:23] well, I'm trying to convert the science world to python ;-) [03:23] <_nixternal> i know QBasic...what can i do with that? [03:23] <_nixternal> i used to make whicked loops on my Vic20 in the 80s [03:25] oh nifty [03:25] we still teach Basic for our instrumental analysis class [03:25] programming a geiger counter === rmjb_ [n=richard@cuscon19706.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:25] <_nixternal> im learning UNIX/Linux now ;p === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:32] ajmitch: looks better now? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3446 [03:34] imbrandon: so you don't have the refresh/stop merged button ? [03:36] Tonio_, ? === fgiraldeau [n=francis@modemcable113.31-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:37] imbrandon: the feisty version should have this modified [03:37] imbrandon: but that requires that you remove konqueror configuration files in the first place [03:38] ahh no i have seperate buttons, watch it if your thinking about auto removing configs === imbrandon would be very angry if some update obliterated my config [03:40] imbrandon: that's not possible [03:41] as long as it doesn't break the user's config, I'm fine with it [03:41] imbrandon, just a wee reminder about the upload :P [03:42] lastnode, yea i have to talk to fujitsu as there was no source packages only debs [03:42] Tonio_, right on [03:42] imbrandon, oh right, ive been looking for the man too, cool. [03:42] imbrandon: no source for what? [03:43] lastnode's project upstream [03:43] called "upstream" [03:43] LaserJock, www.upstreamdev.org [03:43] imbrandon: ho did you saw that ? the adept bug installing java is potentially resolved now :) [03:43] since java will go gpl soon hehe :) [03:44] it's not just java though [03:44] although that's probably one of the biggest ones [03:44] LaserJock: yeah I know, that was just funy since we discussed that 5 days ago [03:44] LaserJock: we know the issue and the fix to that issue [03:45] imbrandon, i just emailed him [03:45] pretty easy to fix though [03:45] it's been broken for a long time though hasn't it? [03:46] LaserJock: yes, but in fact the fix is pretty easy... just that nobody took care at the moment [03:46] :/ [03:46] Tonio_, i dunno if its been fixed yet, but it should be soon [03:47] all we need is a dep on adept and patching the code to set an environment variable while adept is used [03:47] that's it [03:47] imbrandon: should the dep be on adept or on kubuntu-desktop ? [03:47] hrm i dont think so [03:47] no [03:47] probably the second in my opinion [03:47] adept should only recommend it [03:47] its a probelm with the way adept handles debconf questions [03:47] not a dep [03:47] imbrandon: we also need the libperl-qt installed [03:48] right, that might fix it [03:48] AND set an environement variable so that debconf uses qt on kde [03:48] possibly if it works [03:48] but we need to define this only if kde is in use in fact [03:48] hrm [03:48] ok let me test this tonight [03:49] i think i know how it can be done [03:49] imbrandon: ah you were not there :) [03:49] infact i'll try it right now [03:49] does adept use a command line to call apt-get? [03:49] we already tested this and it works perfectly [03:49] minghua, no [03:49] minghua: no [03:49] minghua, it uses libept and libapt-fronty like synaptic [03:49] okay, I was hoping just define debconf frontend can fix this :-( [03:49] s/y// [03:49] imbrandon: what you need to do is to install libqt-perl and run dpkg-reconfigure debconf and choose kde backend [03:50] Tonio_, right [03:50] Tonio_, i'll do that now [03:50] we'll perform an equivalent thing by setting the variable missing in adept code directly [03:50] and test and upload if it works [03:50] that works perfectly [03:50] Tonio_: if you dpkg-reconfigure debconf, you'll change debconf's behavior in every environment [03:50] minghua: that's for *testing* [03:51] minghua, thats not the final solution [03:51] minghua: this is why the variable will be set with adept and available only when it is in use [03:51] right [03:51] Tonio_: yeah, sorry, you second sentence made that clear [03:51] minghua: sorry, I though it was clear the first time :) === caravena [n=caravena@87-45-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:51] minghua, heh a frenchman and a chineese man both trying to understand each others english :) [03:52] imbrandon: hehe === imbrandon feels stuck in the middle [03:52] no big problem so far :-) [03:52] :) [03:52] imbrandon: just migrating to feisty [03:52] imbrandon: it's ok, we managed to understand whatever you said :) [03:52] minghua, i know, but it was a running joke at UDS [03:52] imbrandon: to you have an issue with mdadm too ? [03:52] hey, I wasn't at UDS [03:52] Tonio_, not that i'm aware of [03:52] Tonio_: what sort of problems did you have with mdadm? [03:53] ajmitch: let me remove and reinstall first [03:53] ajmitch: in fact the service doesn't start [03:53] ouch [03:53] I've upgraded but not rebooted [03:53] ajmitch: yes that's why I'm asking :) this is not a little issue :) [03:54] certainly not little, I have / on LVM+RAID [03:54] ajmitch: argh ! [03:55] my feisty upgrade went fine [03:55] actually kinda anti-climactic [03:55] you all run feisty on your main desktops? [03:55] rmjb: I'm just doing the migration [03:56] wow... can't afford to do that... others use this PC [03:56] rmjb, i am on my main dev machine, not my main desktop [03:56] ajmitch: invoke-rc.d: initscript mdadm-raid, action "start" failed. [03:56] this is what I get [03:57] rmjb: still edgy on my main desktop and laptop [03:57] dapper on one desktop and feisty on one desktop [03:57] ajmitch: error is on "Assembling MD arrays" [03:57] but well I don't have raid so it'll be hard for me to test deeply [03:58] Tonio_: a small worry [03:59] but I trust that fabbione tested it :) [03:59] if you don't have raid & it fails, that's not so much of a problem [03:59] ajmitch: true :) [03:59] if I have raid & I can't boot, then it's a problem === micahcowan [n=micahcow@69.36.252.2] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [04:00] ajmitch: /boot on regular partition? [04:03] rmjb: always [04:03] it's a bit hard to have /boot on LVM on RAID 5 [04:04] true... not quite there yet [04:07] is there an ubuntu guide for packaging of java apps? [04:08] not java specific [04:08] well I'll find out soon if putting a build-depends on java-gcj-compat-dev was the right thing [04:11] rmjb: maybe the debian java policy, I don't know how updated it is [04:12] reading the debian-java list may help too [04:12] <_nixternal> yes, i would like to learn how to use ubutnutuutntu...can you help me please? [04:13] <_nixternal> well, i guess none ofyou would get that one, as it was meant for another channel [04:14] ajmitch: in fstab the correct notation for reiserfs is just reiserfs right? [04:15] _nixternal: we just figured it was another of your random rambling comments ;-) === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:17] joejaxx: no idea, I don't use it [04:23] <_nixternal> on my way home === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:28] hi all, when a package don't have a man page. I need to open a bug and forward it to upstream author? [04:28] fernando: yes [04:29] Burgundavia: it have the manual in pdf format =) [04:29] ah, more interesting [04:29] fernando: you can write you're own man page [04:29] LaserJock: i can to use the pdf version to write the man pages? [04:30] i need upstream authorization? [04:30] well, I don't know that you need to use the pdf version [04:30] just write a simple man page [04:32] ok, thanks [04:33] http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Man-Page/ [04:34] Or, just look at another man page for reference. === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:34] hi all [04:34]