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[03:40] <sbalneav> Evening all
[03:41] <bddebian> Heya sbalneav
[03:42] <LaserJock> hi bddebian and sbalneav 
[03:42] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
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[08:44] <nathansnook7> how can I kill zombie processes
[08:50] <Burgundavia> nathansnook7: tried kill -9 it
[08:50] <nathansnook7> I will thankz
[08:51] <nathansnook7> for some reason I have python and netstat in zombie state
[08:52] <Burgundavia> right, on a server or a desktop
[08:52] <Burgundavia> ?
[08:52] <nathansnook7> desktop
[08:52] <nathansnook7> Just installed
[08:52] <Burgundavia> interesting
[08:52] <nathansnook7> did some update and now I have two zombies
[08:52] <nathansnook7> top
[08:53] <nathansnook7> and top is saying load average 1.87 1.84 1.75
[08:54] <nathansnook7> I have been using linux for a few years never got real deep into any os,
[08:54] <nathansnook7> In other linux oses I have an average system load of about .50 - .86
[08:55] <Burgundavia> what else is your system doing?
[08:55] <nathansnook7> I have firefox open, xchat and 1 cli
[08:55] <Burgundavia> what else does top say?
[08:55] <nathansnook7> should be idle for the most part
[08:55] <nathansnook7> I'll paste bin
[08:56] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:57] <nathansnook7> ok strange question how can I copy my top section
[08:58] <Burgundavia> no idea
[08:58] <nathansnook7> http://pastebin.com/826440
[08:58] <nathansnook7> that is a copy of my top
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[11:20] <stgraber> good morning
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[12:57] <jelkner> Is there anyone here who can point me to documentation on-line that tells one how to change the network address of the local segment of an edubuntu server with two nics?
[12:58] <jelkner> I just did a new install on the server.
[12:58] <jelkner> It has one nic (the external one) using dhcp
[12:58] <jelkner> the internal one was automatically setup with 192.168.0.254
[12:59] <jelkner> I need to change that, since the site I am moving the server too will have 192.168.0.x as the external address
[12:59] <jelkner> Is there a nice, step-by-step available to make sure I get this right?
[12:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> probably not per se.
[01:00] <jelkner> If not, I'll write it up if someone will tell me what to do.
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[02:25] <lebarjack> Hi
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[02:34] <lebarjack> is there anyone familiar with the student-control-panel?
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[03:36] <scythe> hi
[03:39] <scythe> is there a way to limit actions for pupils, like changing the panel, background, ... with a tool easier than sabayon? gconf seems to have not enough detailed options for that.
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> sabayon is about it afaik
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> ooh. try lockdown editor
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> it might do what you need
[03:40] <scythe> thx, i
[03:40] <scythe> i'' try it
[03:40] <scythe> grr ;)
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> *grin*
[03:41] <lebarjack> You mean pessulus?
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[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> dunno. theres a tool that called itself 'lockdown editor' - not sure what the package name is.
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey bddebian 
[03:42] <bddebian> Heya folks
[03:42] <bddebian> Hi Kamping_Kaiser
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:42] <lebarjack> pessulus - lockdown editor for GNOME said my apt cache :)
[03:42] <scythe> apt-cache search lockdown editor
[03:42] <scythe> pessulus - lockdown editor for GNOME
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:42] <scythe> lebarjack: you're right
[03:42] <lebarjack> ::)
[03:50] <scythe> hmm, in pessulus I can't see how to disable changing the background
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> it might nto. its quite simple
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[03:55] <sbalneav> Morning all!
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey :)
[03:57] <bddebian> Heya sbalneav
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[04:24] <kditty> where can i find test for keduca, or servers?
[04:26] <kditty> i would also like to install edubuntu apps into dapper drake so that my 3 year old can play around and get used to a computer, is that possible?
[04:28] <lebarjack> I think installing edubuntu-desktop metapackage does this, kditty 
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[04:37] <nathansnook7> Is there an issue with python at this point in time?
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[05:07] <azenux> hi all
[05:08] <azenux> hi me
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[05:13] <lebarjack> bye
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[05:57] <aze> hi
[06:06] <amachu> hi
[06:06] <sbalneav> whiprush: ping
[06:06] <sbalneav> What was the name of that background switcher?
[06:07] <whiprush> sbalneav: desktop drapes, it's on launchpad.
[06:08] <sbalneav> heh
[06:08] <sbalneav> I was searching for curtains
[06:08] <sbalneav> Wrong window treatment
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[06:42] <aze> a question
[06:43] <aze> with a edubuntu server, a network at 100Mb can i have 10 or 15 ltsp clients ?
[06:44] <aze> another question, an ipcop between the web and the local network is a good idea ?
[06:45] <juliux> aze, you can have 10 oder 15 clients on a 100Mm network but it is better if the connection between server and switch is 1000Mb
[06:52] <aze> will i have timeout while connecting to the server at the boot
[06:53] <aze> sorry for my poor english
[06:53] <aze> i'm french edubuntu user
[06:55] <aze> it was a question for the timeout
[06:56] <aze> because i've tried with vmware
[06:57] <aze> and there's timeout sometime
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[07:06] <stgraber> aze: Quel genre de timeout ?
[07:07] <stgraber> aze: avant d'avoir une IP (via le dhcp), avant de tlcharger l'image de boot (via tftp) ou au dbut du boot (donc aprs le chargement du noyau) ?
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[08:18] <cbx33> hi all
[08:18] <cbx33> ping ogra
[08:19] <cbx33> ping RichEd 
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[08:25] <RichEd> hi cbx33
[08:25] <RichEd> about to start a meting
[08:25] <RichEd> *meeting
[08:25] <RichEd> how are you
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[08:32] <cbx33> yeh I'm good
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[08:34] <nixternal> ahh, i see action starting to happen again after the UDS event ;)
[08:34] <stgraber> ok, fixing some network and ipv6 stuff, have to reconnect
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[08:38] <sbalneav> Where's the meeting? Ubuntu-meeting?
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[09:09] <nixternal> sbalneav: i was wondering why people were talking about a meeting, and it wasn't/isn't scheduled that i could see
[09:10] <sbalneav> I'm thinking it was an allhands meeting.
[09:10] <nixternal> i haven't heard anything about one, plus #*-meeting wasn't scheduled for anyone
[09:11] <RichEd> yep correct guess : all hands ... we're on the last day and wrapping up the last loose ends for the next 1 months ahead and Feisty and Feisty+1
[09:11] <RichEd> hi sbalneav , nixternal 
[09:11] <RichEd> and stgraber :)
[09:11] <nixternal> howdy RichEd!
[09:12] <sbalneav> That meeting you were talking about RichEd, was that an allhands meeting?
[09:12] <nixternal> sbalneav: i think they are still in SF
[09:12] <RichEd> sbalneav ^^
[09:12] <nixternal> for the Canonical meeting
[09:12] <nixternal> yup ;p
[09:12] <sbalneav> OK
[09:12] <nixternal> tell everyone nixternal said hi, and let jono know i have video of the bottle dance
[09:12] <RichEd> it's been really good because we have had 2 x presentations each morning by each manager ....
[09:12] <sbalneav> I showed up in #ubuntu-meeting and started trashing the place.
[09:12] <RichEd> and then cross pollination meetings in the rest of the day
[09:13] <nixternal> nice
[09:13] <sbalneav> Cross pollination?
[09:13] <RichEd> education has had some good meetings with: (1) marketing (2) training (3) OEM
[09:13] <RichEd> sbalneav: across the border of usuaul working teams
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[09:13] <stgraber> hi RichEd 
[09:14] <RichEd> some of the stats we heard during the Infrastructure presentation were mind blowing
[09:14] <sbalneav> Good, just so long as we don't try to cross ogra with a kumquat, I'll be happy.
[09:14] <RichEd> we've served > .5 Pb of data in 4 months
[09:15] <nixternal> whoa
[09:15] <RichEd> 5 Gb/s during the peak ... that is a CD per second for 24 hours flat out
[09:15] <RichEd> 2 million unique IP's coming in for security updates
[09:15] <sbalneav> Whoa.  Big bandwidth bill :)
[09:16] <RichEd> sbalneav: they managed to negotiate a contract that was not linked to traffic
[09:16] <nixternal> lucky them
[09:16] <nixternal> time for canonical to get their own hosting
[09:16] <RichEd> to give you an idea of scale, the ISP has 10 Gb/s available
[09:16] <stgraber> that means, my quota would be over in around 3 hours :)
[09:16] <nixternal> they can pump a 192 line into my house and i will host all the equip ;p
[09:16] <sbalneav> Business side's looking good?  I saw sabdfl say he figgured it would take 5-7 years for Ubuntu certification to come up to redhat levels, and he was happy to stick it out that long.  Whuch was good to hear. :)
[09:16] <stgraber> that's really a lot :)
[09:16] <RichEd> and the entire UK has 20 Gb/s available
[09:17] <RichEd> so on release day, we account for 1/4 of the UK internet traffic
[09:17] <nixternal> thats awesome
[09:17] <RichEd> 70 hits / sec and BBC world news during the olympics peaked at 160
[09:17] <bronze> RichEd: where UK-20GB number come from?
[09:17] <stgraber> only 20Gb/s for the whole UK ? that's really short imo
[09:18] <RichEd> a presentation ... me is just quoting
[09:18] <stgraber> or they don't have a lot of datacenter
[09:19] <RichEd> anywayz it has given me an idea of the scale of ubuntu ... it is experiencing viral levels of growth
[09:20] <RichEd> quite exciting to hear the bigger picture
[09:20] <sbalneav> Don't say that within Microsoft's earshot :)
[09:20] <RichEd> sbalneav: the people shall champion ... forget about the US KGB !
[09:21] <sbalneav> I forgot about them back in '98 :)
[09:21] <RichEd> well that's the news in brief ... need to get off to the next meeting ... and yes, it's here in SF not #edubuntu
[09:21] <sbalneav> I'm coming up on being a full decade M$ free.
[09:22] <RichEd> so later ... and thanks to all of the people here for their contributions and spirit and hard work
[09:23] <sbalneav> I've used Linux since '93, but I gave up using MS personally in 98.  Every time I hear a "not ready for the desktop" article, I laugh.  it's been my ONLY desktop for 8 years :)
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[09:24] <ogra> RichEd, level3 has ~20G 
[09:24] <ogra> (not the whole uk ;) )
[09:25] <LaserJock> ah, that makes more sense
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[09:43] <JackHanna> hey guys
[09:45] <JackHanna> I'm the IT guy at a local LIbrary, I'm interested in setting up an Edubuntu LTSP install. I have some exp with linux and am an ok "user" but no admin. I was wondering how do I manage,restrict and setup the users environment? What I mean is there will be one auto loggin in user. I want to set up how there desktop will look and what apps they have access too and not allow them to change it. 
[09:46] <JackHanna> I've got all this under wraps with windows using group policy and stuff..
[09:47] <Burgwork> sabayon can control how your desktop looks
[09:48] <Burgwork> for the session cleanup, that is a bit more complicated
[09:48] <JackHanna> hmm.. so how is edubuntu normally used. say in a classroom where the teacher would create accounts for all students and they would log in with there user/pass?
[09:48] <stgraber> yes
[09:49] <JackHanna> oh
[09:49] <Burgwork> yep
[09:50] <JackHanna> what would the teacher used to create and delete user accounts, I mean an normal teacher not a linux admin
[09:50] <Burgwork> there is a plan to create such a guest login
[09:50] <stgraber> an other problem that could happen is as the home directory is mapped to the server, all your computers will share the same /home directory and then some software accessing the same config file and editing it, could bug
[09:50] <JackHanna> ie.. is there a gui,easy to use program
[09:50] <stgraber> there is the user/group management gui, but for massive user creation a script is always the best option (from my PoV)
[09:51] <RichEd> JackHanna: we are wrapping up a conference now, so lot of people are not available. This follows our developer conference of last week, where we have planned the new features for the next release. If you would like to send an email to edubuntu-devel mailing list, you would be able to get some advice on what is possible now, and what is possible for APril 2007.
[09:51] <RichEd> Do you know where the list is ? Or should I give you the sign-up url ?
[09:52] <JackHanna> hmm.. maybe I should send an email suggesting people look into a "computer lab" mode for the LTSP deployment. Where all the terminals would auto log in, and not allow/save changes. Could be super usefull in a School computer lab too where there's no one to manage users and is an open computer lab
[09:52] <stgraber> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
[09:52] <Burgwork> JackHanna: there is a guest login spec, but I don't know the status of it
[09:52] <Burgwork> here is what I would do:
[09:52] <JackHanna> great!
[09:52] <Burgwork> use sabayon to create a locked down profile
[09:52] <JackHanna> your message came up as I was typeing mine
[09:52] <Burgwork> modify your pam to use pam_mkdhomdir
[09:53] <JackHanna> I'll email the list
[09:53] <Burgwork> upon logout, have gdm wipe out the homedir and kill any processes left
[09:53] <Burgwork> viola: a public computer
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[09:53] <RichEd> JackHanna: F.Y.I. a lot of what you ask for is possible now, but manually ... and most of this will move into GUI by the next release.
[09:54] <RichEd> We have some great features specced out for the next level of "large scal management or deployment"
[09:54] <RichEd> *scale
[09:54] <JackHanna> I don't know how to do that but one major problem is NO public computer lab users will ever log out when done.. they would change the background, default home page and anything else to a huge porn image and leave it there
[09:54] <Burgwork> RichEd: yep, but nothing for a public computer like he is what asking
[09:54] <Burgwork> JackHanna: if you wipe out the home dir, it will get rid of that
[09:54] <JackHanna> I just keep focusing on public computer lab because that's what we have
[09:55] <JackHanna> and I have it all under my thumb nicely using active directory in windows.. but would really like to sneek some linux in to the public
[09:55] <RichEd> Burgwork: the next Student Control Panel will provide an in screen view of every desktop as a live icon .... an admin can kill any session & rest the box individually or as a group. That sort of thing would be useful in this context.
[09:55] <JackHanna> I'm still working on deploying firefox to my labs but need to be able to lock it down, no changing home page, no changing proxy
[09:56] <JackHanna> RichEd: wow that sounds great!
[09:56] <JackHanna> I've had my eye on edubuntu for some time. from the first time I heard about it I figured development would come along and it would be a STELLAR project!
[09:56] <RichEd> JackHanna: what you *want* but can't do with our next planned release can be motivated into the spec planning for the next UDS. We rely on people like you to shape our product.
[09:57] <RichEd> So ask away ... and we will explain ... or add to the list.
[09:57] <Burgwork> RichEd: yep, but it needs to happen automatically
[09:57] <Burgwork> JackHanna: look into Epiphanys lockdown settings
[09:57] <JackHanna> geat, I've been really wanting to get involved in the linux community and this could just be my ticket. I can't program but am an OK admin and I work at a library who loves to stay on the cutting edge. 
[09:58] <RichEd> Burgwork: so that can be added as a feature request ...
[09:58] <Burgwork> yes, it can be
[09:58] <Burgwork> however, I know the Novell guys are working on this
[09:58] <Burgwork> http://live.gnome.org/Glockenspiel
[09:58] <ogra> JackHanna,  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPFatClients see the example at the bottom ... you could configure gdm for autologin and also define a logout time ... (and make /home readonly)
[09:59] <ogra> lunch ? ...
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[09:59] <ogra> bbl
[09:59] <RichEd> thanks ogra
[09:59] <Burgwork> JackHanna: http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/
[10:00] <Burgwork> and specifically http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/lockdown-0.html
[10:00] <JackHanna> OH MAN sys admin guide. Just what I was looking for!
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[10:00] <Burgwork> that is the GNOME desktop, rather than Edubuntu specifically, but since we use GNOME..
[10:01] <Burgwork> ogra: there are issues with making /home readonly, like lack of access to things like usb keys, etc.
[10:01] <JackHanna> eek.. your helping me to fast! (never though I'd say that in an irc room!) :)
[10:03] <JackHanna> yep.. I like Gnome better now, used to be into KDE. I think KDE is easier for a noobie to use because it looks a bit more like home (windows). But after I got used to linux I liked Gnome better for being clean and neat 
[10:03] <Burgwork> ogra: we (at userful), have found it is better to wipe out the home dir and recreate it
[10:03] <JackHanna> you work for userful?
[10:03] <Burgwork> I do
[10:04] <JackHanna> cool. I was in contact with you guys about getting a station. I still love the idea and want one but the way things ended up after the construction there just wasn't any room for one..
[10:04] <Burgwork> whom did you talk to?
[10:05] <JackHanna> I still think you guys make a great turnkey product for schools and libraries at a great price that requires very little admin skill 
[10:05] <JackHanna> ahh.. one sec
[10:05] <Burgwork> I just wish we were a bit more FLOSS friendly
[10:07] <JackHanna> daniel I think.. or maybe he's just the one I keep getting mailers from. I don't have the origional email's
[10:07] <Burgwork> daniel is my boss, the lead salesman
[10:09] <JackHanna> I think being 100% FLOSS is not really practical for every day use. No user would want to use a total OSS system, there would be no flash, no good video drivers bla.. bla.. though the fight should be kept up to kill the blob drivers video companies give out.. but you have to use what you have
[10:09] <Burgwork> we have a bit more than flash that is closed source
[10:10] <JackHanna> well.. your a company too.. I love my linux and OSS!!! but I know it's not realistic to expect every company to be fanatical supporters 
[10:10] <Burgwork> I try, everyday
[10:11] <Burgwork> Westerville Public Library <-- this is who you work for?
[10:11] <JackHanna> and honistly try is what should be aimed for
[10:11] <JackHanna> yes WPL
[10:11] <Burgwork> your construction finished?
[10:11] <JackHanna> yep
[10:13] <JackHanna> I'm still pulling for some space to toss a userful box into.. it may happen.. if anything I've told many library people about it and suggest it at library events
[10:13] <Burgwork> cool
[10:18] <Burgwork> anyway, you can do a public computer fairly easily, just need a few scripts to do some cleanup and sabayon to create your profile
[10:46] <JackHanna> thanks guys. I"ll look into this stuff soon.. who knows maybe I'll have something to offer the edubuntu team.
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