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infinityMithrandir: The jabber thing?  Why does my vector graphics editor want a jabber interface?12:11
Kanodpkg-divert --list|grep kside.png|cut -f7 -d' '12:11
Kanook, sowas auch noch...12:11
Burgworkinfinity: it uses jabber to do collaboration12:12
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_ionIt would be cooler if it used telepathy instead of loudmouth directly.12:12
Burgworktelepathy didn't exist when the inkscape people started inkboard12:12
Mithrandirinfinity: sharing is good12:13
Mithrandirkeescook: you just won the contest on who gets to write a MIR for loudmouth.  Or make inkscape not depend on loudmouth.12:14
Robot101they should go back and fix it :D12:14
keescookMithrandir: yahoo12:14
Robot101telepathy-gabble needs a MIR for loudmouth anyway12:14
BurgworkRobot101: what about non-Linux builds?12:15
keescookMithrandir: actually, I think they were thinking of not using loudmouth any more.  (some other lib instead?  I'll need to go check with them.)12:15
MithrandirRobot101: telepathy-gabble | 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 | feisty/universe | source, amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc12:15
Robot101Mithrandir: feisty's meant to get some telepathy loving in main12:15
MithrandirRobot101: yeah, but it doesn't need the MIR atm.12:16
keescookwait, I can't write the MIR if I do the audit too, can I?  :)12:16
infinitykeescook: Sure you can, an MIR is a statement of fact, not opinion.12:16
infinity(In theory)12:16
keescookinfinity: ah, okay.  fair enough.  :)12:17
Mithrandirkeescook: nice try, though12:17
Kanowhy had ubuntu a /etc/debian_version file?12:17
infinityKano: So 3rd party apps/scripts that look for it don't freak out.12:17
infinityKano: (Many look for it to see if the system is "debianish", then take decisions based on that)12:17
Kanoi is 100 sure that that file is on every ubuntu or just edgy12:18
MithrandirKano: it's on all ubuntu version released.12:18
infinity(And always reads "testing/unstable")12:18
Mithrandirlamont: should we disable cdb support in postfix or get tinycdb into main?12:19
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Kanoinfinity: ok, i checked for lsb-relase for ubuntu usually12:20
infinityKano: Yes, as do I.12:20
Kanoi miss awk on ubuntu and bash ;)12:21
infinityErr, they're both there.12:21
Kanosure but not preinstalled12:21
infinitybash is Essential:yes, and mawk is Priority:required.12:21
Mithrandirerr, they are12:21
infinitySo, yes, preinstalled.12:21
Kanoso i had to fix serveral things12:21
infinityYou'd have a deeply upset system without them, I suspect.12:22
Kanolike the ati-installer uses echo -e, == and pushd/popd12:22
Kanoyou have to patch that out first to use it12:23
Mithrandirit probably assumes that /bin/sh is bash12:23
Kanothats it12:23
infinityKano: The ATI installer needs to be fixed to be !/bin/bash12:23
infinityKano: Tell upstream.12:23
Kanoi did12:23
infinity(Or run it as "bash ati...run")12:23
Kanoand i wrote my own installer12:23
Kanoinfinity: not that esay12:24
infinitySure it is.12:24
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sivanggiskard: ping12:24
sivanggiskard: actually unpind, will talk to you tomorrow12:26
sivangnight all12:26
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pyginight sivang 12:26
Kano[ "$(readlink /bin/sh)" = "dash" ]  && sed -i 's/==/=/;s/pushd/cd/;s/popd//;s/echo\s\+-e/printf "%b\n"/' packages/Ubuntu/ati-packager.sh12:29
Kanothat was needed12:29
Kanootherwise no packages are created12:29
Kanowhen you use --buildpkg Ubuntu/edgy12:29
Kanoi just finished changes for nvidia+fglrx12:30
Kanoif someone finds problems let me know12:30
Kanoi am usually on that server just not that channel12:30
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madduckfabbione: lovely commit message. maybe you could mention or point to the Debian bug it refers to? Or is this a problem I don't know yet?12:34
_ionHow about this for a problem? The nvidia script seems to throw files around the filesystem without dpkg knowing about it.12:34
fabbionemadduck: oh i just wanted to show you the diff12:34
fabbionemadduck: one sec that i need to re-deb-diff it12:34
fabbioneit's one line change12:34
fabbionemadduck: and i didn't check debian bts12:35
fabbioneso i don't know if there is a bug open for it12:35
fabbionepeople here almost larted me for breaking their upgrades12:35
madduckcan i see the diff?12:35
fabbionemadduck: yes.. one sec please12:35
fabbione<fabbione> madduck: one sec that i need to re-deb-diff it'12:35
madducksorry. :)12:35
fabbionemadduck: see /msg12:36
fabbionebasically i see no point to fail if we have no configured raids12:37
fabbioneit might be normal12:37
fabbionemadduck: i also found other upgrading issues from 2.4.* to 2.512:38
fabbionemadduck: but i can't really debug it so far from the machine12:38
Mithrandirseb128: libnet-dbus-perl which system-tools-backends now needs a whole stack of new modules (libxml-twig-perl, libxml-xpath-perl, libunicode-map8-perl, libxml-handler-yawriter-perl, libxml-sax-machines-perl); any idea what we should do about that?12:38
seb128Mithrandir: get them to main?12:39
Mithrandirseb128: sure, just get me approved MIR. :-)12:39
seb128Mithrandir: I know the right guy to get those :p12:40
Mithrandirah, he's around now.  He wasn't earlier.12:40
Mithrandirenjoy. :-)12:40
orkidto upgrade to feisty, just change the repos (and use update-manager?)12:40
seb128not sure if that's a good idea to update yet though12:41
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orkidi realize it's near the beginning of development.12:42
madduckfabbione: please just tell me what the problems are. i know where to look quite well by now, having involuntarily maintained it for 4 months.12:42
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fabbionemadduck: dude.. i can't reboot or downgrade that machine from where i am... i was confident that it was going to be ok and upgraded. so when i am back next week i will be able to tell you more12:44
Kanoanother thing: why is module-assistant not in main?12:44
Kanoit is very usefull12:44
pygiKano: you cant go around saying why random FOO isn't in Main? :P12:44
Kanothats a major tool12:44
MithrandirKano: no, it's not.12:44
Mithrandirwe ship precompiled kernel modules instead.12:45
Kanoyou need m-a prepare to be able to compile modules12:45
Mithrandirno, you don't12:45
madduckfabbione: sorry, i am not trying to be pushy. i am just surprised. caught off guard.12:45
Kanoat least thats the most easy way12:45
fabbionemadduck: don't worry.. i need to look at it because it's scary message and i was surprised too. I just can't do anything here. I don't have test equipment to play with12:45
MithrandirKano: that's irrelevant as long as the user never needs to compile modules by hand.12:46
keescookhmpf.  Inkscape 0.45 won't be using libloudmouth.  :P12:46
Kanosure and you only provide one version of fglrx and nvidia drivers (ok+ legacy) in your rep.12:46
infinityKano: And we should provide more than that, why?12:47
Kanoinfinity: because nvidia needs 2 legacy drivers soon for example and you need one legacy (8.28.8) and latest to support all ati chips12:47
infinityKano: Catering to the ricer crowd who looks for the sweet spot to get an extra 3fps out of a specific video game isn't really our deal. :)12:47
infinityKano: The fglrx legacy issue is a non-issue, IMO, as the cards they dropped have free 3D support.12:48
infinityKano: As for the nvidia "need 2 legacy drivers soon" thing, do you have a reference for me to look at?12:48
infinity(I admit, I've not been reading such news in the last couple of weeks)12:48
infinityKano: I'll only maintain an fglrx legacy package if upstream does.  They've not committed to doing so (like nvidia did), they just dropped support.12:49
Kanoinfinity: 96xx series will be the legacy driver for gefore 2mx till gf4200, so basically every dx7/8 card which is not already a legacy one12:49
infinityKano: Distributing a binary blob to users with no promise of updates/support is not high on my list of "bright things to do".12:49
Kanoinfinity: well i do that always with a script12:50
Kanofor kanotix12:50
Kanowhich supports ubuntu now too12:50
infinityErr, and your script magically fixes security holes in old fglrx releases? :)12:50
MithrandirKano: good for you, then.  We won't.12:50
infinityI'm not talking baout my maintenance overhead, I'm talking about us not shipping obsolete and unsupprted code.12:50
TheKKano, does this driver really WORK usefull with such old chips? there are several comments about problems with GF312:51
KanoTheK: 9626 works12:51
Kanowhich is needed for composite12:51
Kanoinstall-nvidia-debian.sh -c12:52
Kano-c is for composite12:52
TheKand they cut now above 4200? strange position.. I guess, MX4000 still supported? ;)12:52
Kano9742 has no support for those cards12:53
Kanobutthat driver is needed for geforce 8800 series12:54
TheKhttp://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9742/README/appendix-a.html that file still lists all? lol?12:55
KanoTheK: the readme is incorrect12:55
Kanothis driver needs 5200 and above12:56
MithrandirRiddell: you or some other kubuntu person probably wants to write a MIR for gsmlib12:56
infinity9742 is still listed as a beta driver.  NVIDIA quite frequently limits the PCI ID list on beta drivers.12:57
KanoTheK: you can try it12:57
Kanomount --bind /bin/bash12:57
infinityI'm quite convinced they don't intend to maintain 3 branches of the driver.  2 is bad enough.12:57
Kano./install-nvidia-debian.sh -cv 974212:57
Kanoumount /bin/bash12:57
RiddellMithrandir: aye12:57
TheKKano, to lazy to boot my system with gf2mx ;)12:57
Kanomount --bind /bin/bash /bin/sh12:57
Kanoof course12:57
KanoTheK: you will get no screen..12:57
infinityKano: Why on earth are you using mount to do that?12:58
infinityKano: That's vile.12:58
Kanowhen you use -c then you get composite suport12:58
Kanoinfinity: no need for a symlink12:58
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infinityKano: "bash <script-that-needs-it>"12:58
TheKinfinity, on Windows the 97xx-Series is for 8800 ONLY12:58
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TheKafaik it doesn't even support GF7 there...12:58
Kanoinfinity: i dont like to do that, it is not my script that needs bash, it is the nvidia-isntaller in it. i dont like to change that for this beta12:58
infinityTheK: For now, yes.  That happens on most new product releases.12:59
MithrandirKano: I fail to see how this conversation is relevant to Ubuntu development, so maybe you should take it elsewhere.12:59
infinityKano: So call the installer with bash from inside your script.12:59
Kanowell you should know how many nvidia packages you need ;)12:59
Kanoinfinity: does not work, it is inside a script inside, would have to patch that01:00
TheKone day we have nvidia-glx-gf1, -gf2, -gf3, -gf4.. and so on? ;)01:00
infinityTheK: No, we'll drop support for older cards when upstream does.01:00
infinityUpstream's not going to maintain/support 3 branches, and neither will we.01:01
_ionkano: Your nvidia script seems to install stuff around the filesystem without dpkg knowing about it.01:01
ajmitchby that point we'll probably have free nvidia drivers for those older cards anyway01:01
infinityWe can't provide support for binary-only drivers without upstream's commitment to them.01:01
Kano_ion: thats correct, but nvidia-installer --uninstall works very well01:01
TheKajmitch, are they making progress now?01:01
ajmitchhowever, still not too relevant01:01
Kanothe fglrx script uses packages01:01
ajmitchTheK: yes they are, I might package up the nouveau ddx & drm bits for people to play with01:02
fabbioneajmitch: i was able to see some errors on mdadm. i will look at them next week01:02
fabbioneajmitch:  i can't do testing from where i am now01:02
ajmitchfabbione: alright01:02
ajmitchI can't test until tonight either01:02
Mithrandirpitti: could we have a MIR for gnome-mount?01:02
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Mithrandirseb128: could you either seed or make something depend on industrial-cursor-theme if you actually want it in main?01:09
Keybukpitti: and could we remove the Recommends: cryptsetup :p01:13
pittiKeybuk: uploaded01:16
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lamontMithrandir: re cdb - I don't really care - the cdb folks would feel it belongs in main, of course.01:29
lamontthe nice part is that it's actually upstream that added cdb support, so sucking it into main would be good01:29
Mithrandirlamont: any chance of me convincing you to write a MIR?01:30
lamontsigh.  OK.  might be next weekend though01:30
lamontunless you need it sooner01:30
infinityTake your time.01:30
infinityIt's not like anyone uses postfix anyway.01:31
lamontinfinity: heh01:31
lamontbut postfix is better than prefix, because it came later...01:31
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Kanojust a tiny addon, the bash hack is not required anymore, added a little replacement (there was == in a subscript)01:36
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_ionShould we care?01:43
pygi_ion: release soon, this release will need so much testing :)01:43
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pygihey bddebian 01:47
pygi_ion: probably somewhere next week, 4 more tasks on TODO01:47
bddebianhI pygi01:47
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pygi_ion: debian k3b package now searches for cdrskin as replacement for wodim01:48
Mithrandirpitti: g-m promoted01:48
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_ionpygi: Nice.01:53
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pygi_ion: for now ... yes ^_^01:53
pygi_ion: later --> drop wodim :)01:53
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_ionpygi: And finally make k3b use libburn directly? :-)02:03
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pygi_ion: that's third step. Second is to make k3b use cdrskin by default ^_^02:03
pygi_ion: for that third step, I need to talk with Sebastian02:03
pygi_ion: anyway, time to sleep02:08
pygi_ion: important exam which I'll fail today 02:08
_ionWhat exam?02:09
pygi_ion: statistics ^_^02:09
_ionGood luck for the statistics exam which you'll fail today. :-)02:09
pygi_ion: thanks :P And the thing is that I'm preety sure that if I fail this exam I failed uni ^_^02:10
pygibut yea, good luck to me :)02:10
pyginight now :)02:10
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psusianyone know much about this new ext resize feature and the resize inode?02:25
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psusididn't Theodore Ts'o used to hang here?  he seems to have written some of the code for handling it in e2fsprogs02:28
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bluefoxicyso bored05:21
jk-is there any policy on where non-native libaries/headers are to be installed?05:24
Keybukheaders go in /usr/include05:24
Keybuklibraries normally in /usr/lib05:24
jk-Keybuk: yep, but it only makes sense to put native ones there..05:25
Keybukhow do you have a non-native library?05:25
jk-eg, for cross-compiling05:25
Keybuk/usr/lib/arch-linux type thing for that05:25
jk-and /usr/include/arch-linux ?05:26
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Keybukwhere arch-linux is the config.guess output05:26
Keybuke.g. /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu, /usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu05:27
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jk-so just do the same thing for includes ?05:29
Keybuksomething like that05:30
jk-smeet, ok.05:30
Nghey Keybuk 05:32
Keybukhey Ng!05:32
Keybukhow's it going!05:32
Keybuklong time no see!05:32
NgKeybuk: hehe. python hates me ;)05:32
KeybukPython hates everyone, it's goth05:32
Nghah, typically, right as I typed that, i realised what I was doing wrong05:33
Ngso I can start using my own nonsense now \o/05:33
Keybukwhat did you write?05:34
NgI think I mentioned it t'other day, it just puts 4 vte widgets in a window, to maximise screen space on my teeny laptop05:34
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Ngso nothing that devilspie and gnome-terminal couldn't do, but I wanted to learn some python and remind myself about gtk05:36
KeybukI just press F11 twice05:37
KeybukMetacity does the right thing05:37
Keybukuh, four times05:37
Ngsure, that fullscreens a single terminal, but I lose panels behind it and it's just one terminal. this is 4 arranged in a grid05:37
Ngbut anyway, it's all quite trivial ;)05:38
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Keybukfor me F11 just opens a single terminal05:42
Keybukif I press it four times, I get four terminals arranged in a grid on my desktop05:42
Keybukyay placement05:42
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Ngoh, iswym. yeah I do that now and metacity mostly gets it right, but there's all that space wasted on window decoration ;)05:42
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_ionOne of the things i love about window shadows is the fact that you can use 0px window borders and still distinguish overlapping windows from each other perfectly.05:44
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Keybukand my workspace layout05:46
NgI'm waiting for the crackful configuration to go away ;)05:47
Keybukyou can get rid of the wobbling and cube05:49
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Ngand I do every time I try it, plus I have to ditch the blur plugin or it is unusably slow on this laptop, but the configuration is annoying and emerald is insane05:50
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_ionSounds like you've been using the beryl fork. I'm not using compiz nor beryl until nvidia releases a 9000 series driver that actually works, but i've heard compiz should have a less insane config UI than beryl has.05:56
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Nghey mnepton 05:57
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mneptonheya Ng06:15
mneptonwhat're you up to? poker in the lobby tonight. about to head down for a smoke and some cards.06:16
Ngmnepton: I'm being highly anti-social and attempting to ditch this cold06:30
jk-sharing is caring06:31
Mezpeople still at MTV then /06:31
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_ionThe newest innovation: germ sharing in Patient2Patient networks.06:39
siretartpygi: in debian, dvd+rw-tools suggests cdrskin07:01
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AWOSLappyI was referred here by #ubuntu.07:10
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AWOSLappyWhen the error comes up, it stops for about five minutes with07:11
AWOSLappy'/sbin/modprobe': Premature exit      or something along those lines, I don't remember the exact wording07:12
AWOSLappyAnd ever since this error happens on bootup my touchpad and external PS/2 mouse no longer work.07:12
crimsunline 19 references an old kernel. Can you reproduce this with 6.06.1?07:13
AWOSLappyI have 6.06.107:13
crimsunyou're not using the latest kernel, however, according to the OOPS07:13
AWOSLappyWell I don't have Edgy (6.10), I have Dapper LTS (6.06.1)07:14
AWOSLappyShall I get Feisty?07:15
crimsunI'm referring to 2.6.15-2707:15
AWOSLappyI will apt-get update and apt-get upgrade07:15
crimsundist-upgrade instead of upgrade, please.07:16
AWOSLappy /dev/hda3  5.5G  5.1G  78M    99%  /07:16
AWOSLappy^ I have no disk space07:16
AWOSLappyI can barely upgrade07:16
AWOSLappyand since the *STUPID* NFS doesn't work I can't back up either07:17
crimsundo you have a live cd?07:17
AWOSLappyof Dapper.07:17
AWOSLappynot of Edgy.07:17
AWOSLappyand besides, can bcm43xx be started on the live CD?07:17
crimsunthat's fine, then, as long as you have it at the location where the machine is located physically.07:17
AWOSLappyUbuntu, Kubuntu or Xubuntu?  I have all three07:18
crimsundoesn't really matter; they share the same kernel07:18
AWOSLappyOkay I am staring at the 6.06 LTS disc right now07:18
AWOSLappybut it has 2.6.15-23 too07:19
crimsunI would remove linux-image-2.6.15-23-386 and dist-upgrade to linux-image-2.6.15-27-38607:19
AWOSLappycan you even DO that without touching anything else?07:19
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crimsunsure, it will remove linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386 and assorted metapackages, but you should be interested more in getting that new l-i (and possibly l-r-m) than anything else07:20
AWOSLappyso what do I do in apt/sources.list?07:21
crimsunif it fubars, boot from the live cd, chroot into your install partition, remove linux-image-2.6.15-27-386, and reinstall linux-image-2.6.15-23-386 (and possibly linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386) from the CD07:21
crimsundon't touch sources.list(5)07:21
AWOSLappyAh okay.07:21
AWOSLappyokay not touching07:21
AWOSLappyHoly moly!07:22
AWOSLappyrequires 83M of disk space07:22
AWOSLappyI have 7807:22
crimsunand that's why you remove linux-image-2.6.15-23-386 first, since it will remove linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386, too, clearing more than 78 MB07:23
NgAWOSLappy: check /var/cache/apt/archives/ too, you may have old debs in there07:23
AWOSLappyonly requires 246kB now :)07:23
AWOSLappyNg, that would be apt-get clean right?07:24
AWOSLappyOkay it sas07:25
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AWOSLappyYou are running a kernel (version 2.6.15-23-386) and attempting to remove the same version.07:26
AWOSLappyThis is a potentially dangerous action.07:26
AWOSLappyNot only will /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-23-386 be removed, making it impossible to boot it, (you will have to take action to change your boot loader to boot a new kernel), it will also remove all modules under the directory /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386.07:27
AWOSLappyJust having a copy of the kernel image is not enough, you will have to replace the modules too.07:27
AWOSLappyI repeat, this is very dangerous.  If at all in doubt, answer no.  If you know exactly what you are doing, and are prepared to hose your system, then answer Yes.07:27
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AWOSLappyRemove the running kernel image (not recommended) [No] ?07:28
AWOSLappyWhat do I do crimsun?07:28
AWOSLappycrimsun?  hello?07:35
crimsunhow much additional space do you gain when you ``apt-get clean''?07:35
crimsun(I'm busy atm.)07:35
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AWOSLappyI don't know07:36
AWOSLappyRemove the running kernel image (not recommended) [No] ?07:36
MezKeybuk, did you ever save a copy of that patch i made for signkey.pl ?07:36
KeybukMez: no, probably not -- why?07:36
Mezcause i lost it ;07:36
Mezand want a copy ;)07:36
Keybukno, I don't07:36
MezKeybuk, do you have the email still describing it ?07:37
crimsunAWOSLappy: answer No, then, and find out how much space you gain (if any)07:37
AWOSLappyI'm at 42M now07:38
KeybukMez: doubt it07:39
AWOSLappyafter the download07:39
crimsunAWOSLappy: let's migrate this to #ubuntu, please, since it's not Feisty development-related.07:39
MezKeybuk, thought not :P07:40
MezKeybuk, anyways, when you back in brum so I can arrange a keysigning with you ;)07:40
KeybukMez: don't tend to keep e-mail much, and I haven't done much with signkey07:40
KeybukMez: sunday07:40
Mezup for a drink monday then ?07:40
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slomo_infinity: please give-back tomboy on !x86 and gmime2.2 on x86, thanks :) should build now that libxml-*-perl is in main :)08:31
Keybukslomo_: I can say with some amount of certainty that adam is *not* around right now :p08:33
BurgundaviaKeybuk: have you filled my inbox just to make me cry when I try and parse them for UWN or just for the malicious pleasure of it?08:33
KeybukBurgundavia: hmm?08:34
Burgundaviaall the new stuff from Debina08:34
Keybukcan't avoid it08:35
Keybukthe mails go when they're accepted from NEW08:35
Keybukso the usual "suppress the sync mails" thing doesn't work08:35
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BurgundaviaKeybuk: yep, anyway, this makes next weeks UWN a wee bit more interesting08:35
Keybuksummary "we're syncing from Debian"08:35
Keybukso not *that* interesting08:35
Burgundaviabut all of that is stuff that is completely new in Ubuntu, correct?08:36
MezKeybuk, and yet you didnt sync kde-style-klearlook08:36
KeybukMez: I didn't?08:36
Mezit wasnt in my inbox ;)08:36
Keybukoh, it probably wanted to override a package or something08:36
slomo_Keybuk: ok, good to know :) if you have some seconds please do it ;)08:37
Keybukslomo_: I have no seconds08:37
Keybukand I have no beer08:37
MezKeybuk, it provides a binary package already provided by the source package kde-klearlook in ubuntu08:37
KeybukI need to rectify at least one of these ;P08:37
Mezbut i wanna get rid of that source package and replace it with the debian one08:37
KeybukMez: does the one in ubuntu have XubuntuY in its version?08:37
MezKeybuk, yes -08:38
Keybukhmm, it doesn't show up in new-source08:38
MezKeybuk, is there a way todrop the kde-klearlook package from the archives ?08:38
Keybukkde-style-klearlook # shipped in klearlook08:38
KeybukMez: can I override the changes?08:38
MezKeybuk, kill the klearlook source package and just grab the kde-style-klearlook source package from debian08:38
Mezthere is a bug requesting that ;)08:38
KeybukMez: what's your lp id?08:39
Mezbug 6128908:39
UbugtuMalone bug 61289 in klearlook "Please sync kde-style-klearlook from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6128908:39
MezKeybuk, it's mez08:39
KeybukWill remove the following packages from feisty:08:40
Keybuk klearlook | 0.9.7-0ubuntu2 | source08:40
Keybuk------------------- Reason -------------------08:40
Keybuk(keybuk) RoM obsoleted by kde-style-klearlook08:40
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MezRoM 08:40
Mezah, cool :D08:41
Mezcheers, and if you can ping me when the sync is done I can kill off the bug08:41
Keybuk[Updating]  kde-style-klearlook (0 [Ubuntu]  < [Debian] )08:42
Keybuk * Trying to add kde-style-klearlook...08:42
Keybuk  - <kde-style-klearlook_0.9.9.2.orig.tar.gz: downloading from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/>08:42
Keybuk  - <kde-style-klearlook_0.9.9.2-2.diff.gz: downloading from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/>08:42
Keybuk  - <kde-style-klearlook_0.9.9.2-2.dsc: downloading from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/>08:42
Keybukiwj: kde-style-klearlook [universe]  -> kde-style-klearlook_0.9.7-0ubuntu2 [universe] .08:42
Keybukin NEW08:43
Keybuk         | * kde-style-klearlook/ Component: universe Section: kde08:43
Keybukall done08:43
Mezcool, noe judy goyys esit got iy08:43
Mezcool, now just gotta wait for it 08:44
Mez(displaced fingers on kb)08:44
Keybuk~2 hour08:44
HobbseeMez: put down the grog.  it's bad for you08:44
Keybuksource will go in at 0803 UTC08:44
Keybukbinaries may make it for 0903 UTC if the buildds are bored08:44
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Keybukwhich means the earliest in the archive is ~0940 UTC08:44
MezKeybuk, now all I gotta do is wait for tfheen to poke prevu out of new and my day's hacking is done08:45
Keybukhe'll be bored of it soon enough08:45
Keybukhe's still in the first few days of ubuntu-archive powers, so it's still exciting08:45
HobbseeMez: that's included in grog :P08:45
MezKeybuk, i'm sure, but... so picky about the licence ;)08:45
Keybukdamned right too08:45
KeybukI think he's probably strictest, followed by me, followed by Colin and then adam as the loosest08:46
Keybukanyway, drink then bed08:46
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pygigood morning folks09:46
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PecisDarbsI have question for devs - what is libburn effort and where i can find more information about it?01:07
ZdraPecisDarbs: google ;-)01:10
PecisDarbsI already found it - #ubuntu-burning01:11
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hungerHmmm.... why doesn't feisty's session bus pick up files in ~/.local/share/dbus-1/services?02:39
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sjoerdhunger: iirc that was added later02:40
hungersjoerd: Later than 1.0?02:41
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sjoerdhrm, no your right.. It's there since RC302:42
hungersjoerd: I got dbus 1.0.0-1ubuntu1 installed on feisty and the directory seems to be ignored.02:42
hungersjoerd: /etc/dbus-1/session.conf does list /usr/share/dbus-1/services only.02:43
sjoerdah that should be replaced by <standard_session_servicedirs/> probably02:44
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hungerThat thing is full of FIXME: and still went "stable"!02:45
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sbalneavTrying to test some compatibility on LTSP with Intel graphics.  Does anyone know if you can buy an Intel 3d graphics card as an actual stick-it-in-the-machine card, or does intel only do onboard?05:16
Seveassbalneav, at UDS someone told me that intel now has at least one stick-it-in-the-machine card05:17
Amaranthi don't think it's publicly available yet05:17
sbalneavThanks anyway.  Mobo's are cheap enough, so I suppose I can just buy a different mobo.05:19
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sivangcrimsun: ping05:58
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sivangpeople are waking up in san fran ;)06:01
Adri2000Mithrandir: could you take a look at the merged pppoeconf please? I will give you a link when you are here06:01
MithrandirAdri2000: why not give me the link when I'm not here? :-P06:02
Adri2000hehe ^^ wait one sec06:03
Keybukogra: 06:03
KeybukWill remove the following packages from feisty:06:03
Keybukltsp-utils |     0.25-1 | source06:03
Keybuk------------------- Reason -------------------06:03
Keybuk(keybuk) RoM06:03
Adri2000Mithrandir: here: http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/pppoeconf/06:05
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MithrandirAdri2000: I'll take a look.06:05
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Adri2000Mithrandir: and builds fine in a feisty pbuilder06:05
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Mirvis the importing of new debian packages (previously unexisting) started yet? or is it ongoing all the time?06:12
giftnudelhi sivang :)06:19
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sivanggiftnudel: Hi Martin!06:41
sivanggiftnudel: what's up? :)06:41
giftnudelsivang: nothing, just saying hello ;)06:42
giftnudelsivang: i'm currently learning the python debugger so I will be faster in the future (hopefully)06:42
sivanggiftnudel: cool, I'm sorry I haven't responded to your emails yet, I was busy dealing with real life.06:43
sivanggiftnudel: ah, what do you want to debug ? ;)06:43
giftnudeloh, I will be busy in the next weeks too, but still, as long as you answer sometime, it doesn't really matter06:43
sivanggiftnudel: okay, cool, I just don't want to delay your contributions with my lack of response :)06:44
giftnudelsivang: hubackup, i'm trying to fix bug 7201506:44
UbugtuMalone bug 72015 in hubackup "Cannot back up more than 4GB to a FAT32 partition" [Undecided,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7201506:44
giftnudelso I'll see where I can implement that, and for this I want to see what information is available at what stage06:45
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giftnudelsivang: oh, I have registered a branch in launchpad: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~martin-bergner/hubackup/mbergner--devel since I had space problems with my other branch06:54
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netGIs there any way to downgrade from feisty to edgy?07:04
netGI've changed entry in sources.list then apt-get update07:04
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TreenaksnetG: no, downgrading is not supported/easy07:06
netGso I have to reinstall from edgy CD... ;-(07:09
sivanggiftnudel: okay, so are you waiting for me to finish the backup/restore stuff before you can continue fixing bug 72015 ?07:12
UbugtuMalone bug 72015 in hubackup "Cannot back up more than 4GB to a FAT32 partition" [Undecided,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7201507:12
giftnudelsivang: no, not really, I have to find out a way to find out what partition and therefore fstype  a given path belongs to07:13
giftnudelsivang: I don't have to wait for you, this could be done in parallel I guess07:13
sivanggiftnudel: right, it does sound so, btw, I think we can fetch this info from hal no?07:13
giftnudelsivang: yes, but how? I mean, I could look at the path and go up on level and see if it matches any mountpoint in hal, but this would fail if there were two things mounted on the same mountpoint07:15
giftnudelit would work though07:15
giftnudelsivang: I think I'll write a function which does exactly that: Find out what device/partition a mountpoint belongs to and return all the information from hal we have about it, this will be handful in other places, too07:21
giftnudelah, what mountpoint a path belongs too, rather07:25
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sivanggiftnudel: indeed07:30
sivanggiftnudel: but yest, make it the other way around as you just noted , e.g. detect which file system a path lies underneath, and then find out what type of file system it is07:30
sivanggiftnudel: cool about the approach, as it will be useful in other places ofcoure.07:31
giftnudelsivang: this is exactly the thing that is missing in BackupEngine to do a on the fly slice size detection ;)07:32
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sivanggiftnudel: hmm, maybe, but you could already do on the fly slice size detection using the utility function in fsMisc.py no?07:38
sivang(that detects free space on a file system path)07:38
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sivanggiftnudel: ah, that's fsMisc.free_space(path)07:41
sivanggiftnudel: then you could use the free space to set up the slice size, IIRC I already did on the fly slice detection for the CDs through using DeviceInfo.py07:42
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Treenakswhat if something else is also writing at the same time?07:50
Treenakssivang: then your 'free space' estimate is off07:50
sivangTreenaks: you are asked to close running programs before doing a backup ;-) but this is unrelated to the on the fly slice size detection, this is yet another system wide problem from programs that need to know available space on the system for future or in progress processing.07:53
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sivangfor instance, consider nautilus moving a file from one location to another, and in the target location at some point available space is out.07:56
giftnudelsivang: yes, i will look at that, but I need to go now07:57
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Keybukmjg59: ping?08:32
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mjg59Keybuk: Hi08:33
Keybukmjg59: few issues with compiz ...08:34
Keybukswitching appears to lose windows08:34
Keybukit doesn't appear to obey any of my metacity preferences, like keyboard shortcuts, or window behaviour08:34
Keybukmjg59: between metacity and compiz08:34
Keybukand most annoyingly, it doesn't obey my workspace layout08:35
mjg59Windows will be moved because of the workspace/viewport distinction08:35
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mjg59All the preferences work fine here08:35
KeybukI can't move windows with the Super key08:35
mjg59Does it work if you set that in the window preferences?08:35
mjg59If not, it's a general bug rather than a preferences bug08:36
Keybukthe window preferences dialog appears to be empty08:36
mjg59Your system sounds somehow screwed08:36
KeybukWindows-Tab doesn't appear to switch windows08:36
KeybukWindows-Arrow-Keys don't move workspaces08:36
mjg59Your system is *definitely* screwed08:36
Keybukit's just a feisty system08:36
mjg59Oh, wait08:36
mjg59Does alt-tab work?08:36
Keybukmjg59: yes, I changed the keyboard shortcuts08:36
Keybukalt-tab appears to work08:37
mjg59Ok, that's something, at least08:37
sivangI can't even try this due to lack of the prop. drivers for feisty , the troubles of the rich ;)08:37
Keybukmjg59: the workspace layout is lost too08:37
Keybukthe pager still shows 4x308:37
mjg59Keybuk: You still have 4x3 workspaces08:37
Keybukbut the window manager behaves as if I only have 4 in one row08:37
mjg59No, those are viewports08:37
mjg59You can tell by the way windows can spread across more than one08:38
mjg59They're entirely separate concepts. Each workspace can have more than one viewport.08:38
Keybukhow do I move to the workspace/viewport above and below?08:38
mjg59Click on the workspace applet.08:38
mjg59This is waiting on libwnck patches08:38
Keybukcan't I just have a big 4x3 workspace with 12 viewpoints?08:38
Keybukthat sucks08:39
Keybukit appears consistent ... no dialog box has anything in it08:39
wasabiHeh. So I'm not the only person who changes it to WIndows-tab08:39
Keybukand I'm not getting highlights in menus either08:39
mjg59Ok, so something is clearly desperately unhappy there08:39
Keybukthe utter lack of respect for existing preferences is a major bug08:39
mjg59It doesn't have an utter lack of respect for existing preferences08:40
Keybukit does08:40
mjg59No, it doesn't08:40
Keybukit's clearly not looking at any of the metacity preferences I set08:40
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Keybukutterly clearly ignoring them08:40
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mjg59It works fine with all the metacity preferences /I/ set08:40
Keybukkeyboard shortcuts I removed have come back08:40
Keybukkeyboard shortcuts I changed have been reverted08:40
Keybukin fact, I can't see a single preference it's obeying08:40
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wasabiYou did load the gconf module, right?08:41
Keybukexcept, maybe, focus-follows-mouse08:41
Keybukwasabi: ?08:41
mjg59wasabi: It's impossible not to in this setup08:41
Keybukacs compiz gconf shows no packages?08:41
Keybukmjg59: this box was installed fresh with edgy when it released, and then updated to feisty08:42
Keybukso it's nowhere near unusual or customised08:42
mjg59Keybuk: I'm not saying it's not a real issue, I'm saying it's not a general issue.08:42
Keybukjust my usual changes to the keyboard shortcuts and window dialog08:42
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KeybukF11 doesn't open a terminal either08:44
Keybukso it's ignoring that shortcut08:44
mjg59That's not a window manager shortcut, surely?08:44
Mithrandirit doesn't respect f1 to open a terminal here either.08:45
Keybukit's in the Keyboard Shortcuts dialog08:45
Keybukand handled by metacity08:45
mjg59Ok. In that case, I suspect it's just missing functionality.08:46
Keybukit's not obeying my "Close Window" shortcut08:47
KeybukI change that to Super-F4 from Alt-F408:47
Keybukcompiz is only reacting to Alt-F408:48
MithrandirKeybuk: what does gconftool-2 -g /apps/compiz/general/allscreens/options/close_window_key08:49
Keybuk/apps/metacity/window_keybindings/close = <Mod4>F408:49
Mithrandircan you change it to Super and see if it works?08:49
Mithrandiror Mod408:50
Keybukyes, that works08:50
mjg59Metacity madness.08:50
Keybukbut the keyboard shortcuts dialog changes the metacity one08:50
mjg59Oh, I see08:50
Keybukmjg59: what's this got to do with metacity?08:50
mjg59Sorry, I misread compiz as metacity08:50
Keybukmetacity is behaving correctly.08:50
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Adri2000Mithrandir: pppoeconf? :)08:52
mjg59Oh, gross.08:52
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mjg59gnome-keybinding-properties writes directly into metacity's preferences.08:52
Keybukarguably, all of those should be /desktop/gnome/keybindings or something08:52
MithrandirAdri2000: meeting08:52
Keybuk/desktop/gnome/window_manager_behaviour too for the Windows preferences08:53
Mithrandirwould upstream kill us if we just did that?08:53
mjg59Talk it over with upstream first08:53
mjg59Bear in mind that you'd need to migrate settings over08:53
Keybukwe'd need to have someone do that work08:53
mjg59The alternative is just to change the references in compiz and have it use the metacity keys08:54
Keybukthe main guys we're likely to have for bling development work are the beryl guys08:54
Keybukso it may be easier to just get beryl to read/write gconf properly08:54
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mjg59Beryl explicitly removed gconf support08:54
Keybukwe can make them explicitly put it back :)08:54
mjg59This is going to be a ~20 line patch to compiz08:55
Keybukcan you do that patch?08:55
mjg59A monkey with a missing arm could do that patch08:55
Keybukcool, if you could do that, that'd be great08:55
mjg59I'm at work right now, so don't have a fesity box08:55
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mjg59I'll try to give you a diff in a few minutes08:56
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_MMA_I thought the Beryl guys said they removed gconf support so they could make it DE independent? At UDS they mentioned at their "stable" release would have support for reading your keybindings. I thought thats what was going to happen?09:05
mjg59Removing the primary configuration store from gconf isn't acceptable from a managability perspective09:06
mjg59It means tools like Sabayon become much less useful09:06
_MMA_You could get one of the guys over here now probably. DBO or someone.09:07
Treenaksalso.. the config modules in compiz _are_ optional and interchangeable, afaik..09:08
Treenaksso there's not much of a point in _removing_ gconf support..09:08
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mneptonthank god i farted.09:26
ograhow great you arent in the distro meeting09:27
Treenaksogra: so fart for him a bit :P09:28
Treenaks(fart by proxy?)09:29
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jdubmjg59: red hat are doing the work for compiz/metacity settings integration09:30
jdub*please god bring ubuntu back from the beryl brink*09:30
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mc44jdub: but. its *community*09:32
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jdubmc44: as is compiz, but with higher standards.09:33
mc44jdub: yes, sorry that wasn't a serious argument :)09:33
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ograTreenaks==MOTU, dosbox==universe ;)09:34
Treenaksogra: sure, but I think it's upstream09:34
_iondosbox==universe, therefore universe==dosbox?09:35
Treenaks_ion: apt-get install command,com09:36
Burgworkjdub: I really don;t see how beryl is going to match the spec, so I am not worried09:38
mneptonjdub: you obviously have not been smoking enough crack recently. please rectify.09:38
Treenaksmnepton: I think the beryl people smoked it all09:42
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BurgworkTreenaks: you don;t tell support people there is no crack to smoke. It causes them to lose hope09:47
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TreenaksBurgwork: they have their own special stash09:47
TreenaksBurgwork: with added valium09:48
mc44they dont need crack anymore, they have flaming board karate09:48
Treenaks"Imagine it's a customer"09:48
mneptona what now?09:50
mneptonwhat is this "customer" you speak of?09:50
Treenaksmnepton: client? supportee?09:50
mneptonoooooh! those!09:50
Treenakssupportee.. I like that word.. nice and generic :)09:51
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ograthe voice coming out of your phone usually ;)09:51
Treenaksogra: Oh HIM! :P09:51
Treenaksogra: (no, not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIM_%28band%29)09:51
mneptonogra: the voices usually just tell me to burn things.09:51
mc44mnepton: now they tell you to punch burning things, much better09:52
ogramnepton, and break them later with your bare hand ?09:52
mneptonogra: or bury them after post-immolation sodomization. but perhaps i have said too much ....09:52
Treenaksmnepton: I won't tell anyone.. if you won't09:53
mneptonTreenaks: my home address is ....09:53
mc44mnepton: oh dont worry simon told everyone your address already09:53
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mneptonmc44: just remember, i like it rough. that's why i accepted Canonical's offer.09:56
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zulmnepton: offer for what?09:59
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zulmnepton: oh hey kurt nevermind09:59
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mjg59jdub: They may well be, but none of it's released10:01
jdubmjg59: hrm, i thought it was10:03
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jdubmjg59: talk to ssp about it10:05
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crimsunsivang: pong10:53
sivangcrimsun: there was some issue with flahplugin-nonfree10:54
crimsunyes, I've already committed the fix10:54
crimsunI won't upload the fix until Bart releases the fix for the debconf issue, however, which is coming in
sivangcrimsun: who is Bart and what sort of debconf issue is this? :)10:55
crimsunBart is the Debian maintainer10:55
sivangah, for debconf I assume?10:55
crimsunthe debconf issue is bug 39872610:55
crimsunDebian 39872610:56
UbugtuDebian bug 398726 in flashplugin-nonfree "flashplugin-nonfree: dpkg-reconfigure fails" [Grave,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/39872610:56
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sivangcrimsun: I see, I didn't actually understand why --force-overwrite didn't solve it10:58
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crimsunwell, our specific issue on upgrades is due to the fact that /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox points to /usr/lib/firefox, so since the maintainer script attempts to install into both locations (presuming both are distinct), it bombs after installing into /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins11:00
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lifelessogra: ping11:19
sivangcrimsun: ah, I see11:21
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