=== AlinuxOS [n=AlinuxOS@d83-176-74-173.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DAA05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] Mithrandir: The jabber thing? Why does my vector graphics editor want a jabber interface? [12:11] dpkg-divert --list|grep kside.png|cut -f7 -d' ' [12:11] ok, sowas auch noch... [12:12] infinity: it uses jabber to do collaboration === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] <_ion> It would be cooler if it used telepathy instead of loudmouth directly. [12:12] telepathy didn't exist when the inkscape people started inkboard [12:13] infinity: sharing is good [12:14] keescook: you just won the contest on who gets to write a MIR for loudmouth. Or make inkscape not depend on loudmouth. [12:14] they should go back and fix it :D [12:14] Mithrandir: yahoo [12:14] telepathy-gabble needs a MIR for loudmouth anyway [12:15] Robot101: what about non-Linux builds? [12:15] Mithrandir: actually, I think they were thinking of not using loudmouth any more. (some other lib instead? I'll need to go check with them.) [12:15] Robot101: telepathy-gabble | 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 | feisty/universe | source, amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc [12:15] Mithrandir: feisty's meant to get some telepathy loving in main [12:16] Robot101: yeah, but it doesn't need the MIR atm. [12:16] wait, I can't write the MIR if I do the audit too, can I? :) [12:16] keescook: Sure you can, an MIR is a statement of fact, not opinion. [12:16] (In theory) [12:17] infinity: ah, okay. fair enough. :) [12:17] keescook: nice try, though [12:17] why had ubuntu a /etc/debian_version file? [12:17] has [12:17] Kano: So 3rd party apps/scripts that look for it don't freak out. [12:17] Kano: (Many look for it to see if the system is "debianish", then take decisions based on that) [12:18] i is 100 sure that that file is on every ubuntu or just edgy [12:18] Kano: it's on all ubuntu version released. [12:18] (And always reads "testing/unstable") [12:19] lamont: should we disable cdb support in postfix or get tinycdb into main? === CarlFK [n=carl@c-24-13-53-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [i=daniel@conference/canonical/x-370dfc18bbe68600] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] infinity: ok, i checked for lsb-relase for ubuntu usually [12:20] Kano: Yes, as do I. [12:21] i miss awk on ubuntu and bash ;) [12:21] Err, they're both there. [12:21] sure but not preinstalled [12:21] bash is Essential:yes, and mawk is Priority:required. [12:21] err, they are [12:21] So, yes, preinstalled. [12:21] so i had to fix serveral things [12:22] You'd have a deeply upset system without them, I suspect. [12:22] like the ati-installer uses echo -e, == and pushd/popd [12:23] you have to patch that out first to use it [12:23] it probably assumes that /bin/sh is bash [12:23] thats it [12:23] Kano: The ATI installer needs to be fixed to be !/bin/bash [12:23] Kano: Tell upstream. [12:23] i did [12:23] (Or run it as "bash ati...run") [12:23] and i wrote my own installer [12:24] infinity: not that esay [12:24] Sure it is. [12:24] nope === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] giskard: ping [12:26] giskard: actually unpind, will talk to you tomorrow [12:26] night all === orkid [n=orkid@bas1-barrie18-1242379938.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] night sivang [12:29] [ "$(readlink /bin/sh)" = "dash" ] && sed -i 's/==/=/;s/pushd/cd/;s/popd//;s/echo\s\+-e/printf "%b\n"/' packages/Ubuntu/ati-packager.sh [12:29] that was needed [12:29] otherwise no packages are created [12:29] when you use --buildpkg Ubuntu/edgy [12:30] i just finished changes for nvidia+fglrx [12:30] http://kanotix.com/files/install-fglrx-debian.sh [12:30] http://kanotix.com/files/install-nvidia-debian.sh [12:30] if someone finds problems let me know [12:30] i am usually on that server just not that channel [12:32] bye === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [12:34] fabbione: lovely commit message. maybe you could mention or point to the Debian bug it refers to? Or is this a problem I don't know yet? [12:34] <_ion> How about this for a problem? The nvidia script seems to throw files around the filesystem without dpkg knowing about it. [12:34] madduck: oh i just wanted to show you the diff [12:34] madduck: one sec that i need to re-deb-diff it [12:34] it's one line change [12:35] madduck: and i didn't check debian bts [12:35] so i don't know if there is a bug open for it [12:35] people here almost larted me for breaking their upgrades [12:35] can i see the diff? [12:35] madduck: yes.. one sec please [12:35] madduck: one sec that i need to re-deb-diff it' [12:35] sorry. :) [12:36] madduck: see /msg [12:37] basically i see no point to fail if we have no configured raids [12:37] it might be normal [12:38] madduck: i also found other upgrading issues from 2.4.* to 2.5 [12:38] madduck: but i can't really debug it so far from the machine [12:38] seb128: libnet-dbus-perl which system-tools-backends now needs a whole stack of new modules (libxml-twig-perl, libxml-xpath-perl, libunicode-map8-perl, libxml-handler-yawriter-perl, libxml-sax-machines-perl); any idea what we should do about that? [12:39] Mithrandir: get them to main? [12:39] seb128: sure, just get me approved MIR. :-) [12:40] Mithrandir: I know the right guy to get those :p [12:40] ah, he's around now. He wasn't earlier. [12:40] enjoy. :-) [12:40] to upgrade to feisty, just change the repos (and use update-manager?) [12:41] yep [12:41] not sure if that's a good idea to update yet though === marilize [i=marilize@conference/canonical/x-04cd3f74306e8feb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] i realize it's near the beginning of development. [12:42] fabbione: please just tell me what the problems are. i know where to look quite well by now, having involuntarily maintained it for 4 months. [12:42] tx === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] madduck: dude.. i can't reboot or downgrade that machine from where i am... i was confident that it was going to be ok and upgraded. so when i am back next week i will be able to tell you more [12:44] another thing: why is module-assistant not in main? [12:44] it is very usefull [12:44] Kano: you cant go around saying why random FOO isn't in Main? :P [12:44] thats a major tool [12:44] Kano: no, it's not. [12:45] we ship precompiled kernel modules instead. [12:45] you need m-a prepare to be able to compile modules [12:45] no, you don't [12:45] fabbione: sorry, i am not trying to be pushy. i am just surprised. caught off guard. [12:45] at least thats the most easy way [12:45] madduck: don't worry.. i need to look at it because it's scary message and i was surprised too. I just can't do anything here. I don't have test equipment to play with [12:46] Kano: that's irrelevant as long as the user never needs to compile modules by hand. [12:46] hmpf. Inkscape 0.45 won't be using libloudmouth. :P [12:46] sure and you only provide one version of fglrx and nvidia drivers (ok+ legacy) in your rep. [12:47] Kano: And we should provide more than that, why? [12:47] infinity: because nvidia needs 2 legacy drivers soon for example and you need one legacy (8.28.8) and latest to support all ati chips [12:47] Kano: Catering to the ricer crowd who looks for the sweet spot to get an extra 3fps out of a specific video game isn't really our deal. :) [12:48] Kano: The fglrx legacy issue is a non-issue, IMO, as the cards they dropped have free 3D support. [12:48] Kano: As for the nvidia "need 2 legacy drivers soon" thing, do you have a reference for me to look at? [12:48] (I admit, I've not been reading such news in the last couple of weeks) [12:49] Kano: I'll only maintain an fglrx legacy package if upstream does. They've not committed to doing so (like nvidia did), they just dropped support. [12:49] infinity: 96xx series will be the legacy driver for gefore 2mx till gf4200, so basically every dx7/8 card which is not already a legacy one [12:49] Kano: Distributing a binary blob to users with no promise of updates/support is not high on my list of "bright things to do". [12:50] infinity: well i do that always with a script [12:50] for kanotix [12:50] which supports ubuntu now too [12:50] Err, and your script magically fixes security holes in old fglrx releases? :) [12:50] Kano: good for you, then. We won't. [12:50] I'm not talking baout my maintenance overhead, I'm talking about us not shipping obsolete and unsupprted code. [12:51] Kano, does this driver really WORK usefull with such old chips? there are several comments about problems with GF3 [12:51] TheK: 9626 works [12:51] which is needed for composite [12:52] install-nvidia-debian.sh -c [12:52] -c is for composite [12:52] and they cut now above 4200? strange position.. I guess, MX4000 still supported? ;) [12:53] 9742 has no support for those cards [12:54] butthat driver is needed for geforce 8800 series [12:55] http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9742/README/appendix-a.html that file still lists all? lol? [12:55] TheK: the readme is incorrect [12:55] :( [12:56] this driver needs 5200 and above [12:56] Riddell: you or some other kubuntu person probably wants to write a MIR for gsmlib [12:57] 9742 is still listed as a beta driver. NVIDIA quite frequently limits the PCI ID list on beta drivers. [12:57] TheK: you can try it [12:57] mount --bind /bin/bash [12:57] I'm quite convinced they don't intend to maintain 3 branches of the driver. 2 is bad enough. [12:57] ./install-nvidia-debian.sh -cv 9742 [12:57] umount /bin/bash [12:57] Mithrandir: aye [12:57] Kano, to lazy to boot my system with gf2mx ;) [12:57] mount --bind /bin/bash /bin/sh [12:57] of course [12:57] TheK: you will get no screen.. [12:58] Kano: Why on earth are you using mount to do that? [12:58] Kano: That's vile. [12:58] when you use -c then you get composite suport [12:58] infinity: no need for a symlink === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] Kano: "bash " [12:58] infinity, on Windows the 97xx-Series is for 8800 ONLY === ogra shades his eyes [12:58] afaik it doesn't even support GF7 there... [12:58] infinity: i dont like to do that, it is not my script that needs bash, it is the nvidia-isntaller in it. i dont like to change that for this beta [12:59] TheK: For now, yes. That happens on most new product releases. [12:59] Kano: I fail to see how this conversation is relevant to Ubuntu development, so maybe you should take it elsewhere. [12:59] Kano: So call the installer with bash from inside your script. [12:59] well you should know how many nvidia packages you need ;) [01:00] infinity: does not work, it is inside a script inside, would have to patch that [01:00] one day we have nvidia-glx-gf1, -gf2, -gf3, -gf4.. and so on? ;) [01:00] TheK: No, we'll drop support for older cards when upstream does. [01:01] Upstream's not going to maintain/support 3 branches, and neither will we. [01:01] <_ion> kano: Your nvidia script seems to install stuff around the filesystem without dpkg knowing about it. [01:01] by that point we'll probably have free nvidia drivers for those older cards anyway [01:01] We can't provide support for binary-only drivers without upstream's commitment to them. [01:01] _ion: thats correct, but nvidia-installer --uninstall works very well [01:01] ajmitch, are they making progress now? [01:01] <_ion> Evil. [01:01] however, still not too relevant [01:01] the fglrx script uses packages [01:02] TheK: yes they are, I might package up the nouveau ddx & drm bits for people to play with [01:02] ajmitch: i was able to see some errors on mdadm. i will look at them next week [01:02] ajmitch: i can't do testing from where i am now [01:02] fabbione: alright [01:02] I can't test until tonight either [01:02] pitti: could we have a MIR for gnome-mount? [01:02] bye === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === cr3 [i=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] seb128: could you either seed or make something depend on industrial-cursor-theme if you actually want it in main? [01:13] pitti: and could we remove the Recommends: cryptsetup :p [01:16] Keybuk: uploaded === jono [i=jono@conference/canonical/x-ea18eced7620572a] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] Mithrandir: re cdb - I don't really care - the cdb folks would feel it belongs in main, of course. [01:29] the nice part is that it's actually upstream that added cdb support, so sucking it into main would be good [01:30] lamont: any chance of me convincing you to write a MIR? [01:30] sigh. OK. might be next weekend though [01:30] unless you need it sooner [01:30] Take your time. [01:31] It's not like anyone uses postfix anyway. [01:31] infinity: heh [01:31] but postfix is better than prefix, because it came later... === hangfire [n=brad777m@200.95.149.220.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hangfire [n=brad777m@200.95.149.220.cableonline.com.mx] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === _TomB [n=tomb@host81-155-182-237.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@host81-155-182-237.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] just a tiny addon, the bash hack is not required anymore, added a little replacement (there was == in a subscript) === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [01:43] <_ion> Should we care? [01:43] _ion: release soon, this release will need so much testing :) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:44] <_ion> Cool. === psusi [n=phreak@user-0c6s9kn.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] hey bddebian [01:47] _ion: probably somewhere next week, 4 more tasks on TODO [01:47] hI pygi === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.0.191] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] _ion: debian k3b package now searches for cdrskin as replacement for wodim [01:48] pitti: g-m promoted === pitti hugs Mithrandir === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:53] <_ion> pygi: Nice. === jrib [n=jasonr@unaffiliated/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:53] _ion: for now ... yes ^_^ [01:53] _ion: later --> drop wodim :) === robertj_ [n=robertj@68-117-213-120.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] <_ion> pygi: And finally make k3b use libburn directly? :-) === pitti [i=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] _ion: that's third step. Second is to make k3b use cdrskin by default ^_^ [02:03] _ion: for that third step, I need to talk with Sebastian [02:08] _ion: anyway, time to sleep [02:08] _ion: important exam which I'll fail today [02:09] <_ion> What exam? [02:09] _ion: statistics ^_^ [02:09] <_ion> Good luck for the statistics exam which you'll fail today. :-) [02:10] _ion: thanks :P And the thing is that I'm preety sure that if I fail this exam I failed uni ^_^ [02:10] but yea, good luck to me :) [02:10] night now :) [02:10] <_ion> gnite. === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.149.0.191] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.0.191] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.0.191] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:25] anyone know much about this new ext resize feature and the resize inode? === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === psusi is trying to figure out why defrag is screwing the resize inode === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.0.191] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nkassi [n=nkassi@m815f36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:28] didn't Theodore Ts'o used to hang here? he seems to have written some of the code for handling it in e2fsprogs === Edgard [n=edlima@20150133251.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [n=fabbione@vpn-nat.fabbione.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@conference/canonical/x-fcc7ac26e534b1f2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180079137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@dhcp64-134-210-95.hfwsf.sjc.wayport.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@adsl-69-232-218-170.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FliesLikeABrick_ [n=Ryan@cpe-72-224-116-131.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jk- [i=jk@nat/ibm/x-0e5965f7309267fa] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:32] ahoy === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jiahua [n=hua_@122.0.231.5] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ScottK [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-39-80.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [i=scott@conference/canonical/x-1cb1ab998e7cc25b] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] so bored [05:23] aww [05:24] is there any policy on where non-native libaries/headers are to be installed? [05:24] headers go in /usr/include [05:24] libraries normally in /usr/lib [05:25] Keybuk: yep, but it only makes sense to put native ones there.. [05:25] how do you have a non-native library? [05:25] eg, for cross-compiling [05:25] /usr/lib/arch-linux type thing for that [05:26] and /usr/include/arch-linux ? === jk- notices that there isn't a /usr/include/arch-linux directory currently [05:26] where arch-linux is the config.guess output [05:26] yep [05:27] e.g. /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu, /usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu [05:27] etc. === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:29] so just do the same thing for includes ? [05:30] something like that [05:30] smeet, ok. [05:30] cheers. [05:32] hey Keybuk [05:32] hey Ng! [05:32] how's it going! [05:32] long time no see! [05:32] Keybuk: hehe. python hates me ;) [05:32] Python hates everyone, it's goth [05:33] hah, typically, right as I typed that, i realised what I was doing wrong [05:33] so I can start using my own nonsense now \o/ [05:34] what did you write? [05:34] I think I mentioned it t'other day, it just puts 4 vte widgets in a window, to maximise screen space on my teeny laptop [05:35] ahh === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:36] so nothing that devilspie and gnome-terminal couldn't do, but I wanted to learn some python and remind myself about gtk [05:37] I just press F11 twice [05:37] Metacity does the right thing [05:37] uh, four times [05:37] sure, that fullscreens a single terminal, but I lose panels behind it and it's just one terminal. this is 4 arranged in a grid [05:38] but anyway, it's all quite trivial ;) === Ng looks for somewhere to get food [05:42] ah [05:42] for me F11 just opens a single terminal [05:42] if I press it four times, I get four terminals arranged in a grid on my desktop [05:42] yay placement === Norgz [n=eroux@maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:42] oh, iswym. yeah I do that now and metacity mostly gets it right, but there's all that space wasted on window decoration ;) === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:44] <_ion> One of the things i love about window shadows is the fact that you can use 0px window borders and still distinguish overlapping windows from each other perfectly. === Keybuk will try compiz when it obeys his keyboard shortcuts [05:46] and my workspace layout [05:47] I'm waiting for the crackful configuration to go away ;) [05:49] you can get rid of the wobbling and cube === mbiebl [n=michael@e180079137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:50] and I do every time I try it, plus I have to ditch the blur plugin or it is unusably slow on this laptop, but the configuration is annoying and emerald is insane === orkid [n=orkid@bas1-barrie18-1242379938.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:56] <_ion> Sounds like you've been using the beryl fork. I'm not using compiz nor beryl until nvidia releases a 9000 series driver that actually works, but i've heard compiz should have a less insane config UI than beryl has. === mnepton [n=mneptok@dhcp64-134-210-41.hfwsf.sjc.wayport.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:57] hey mnepton === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:15] heya Ng [06:16] what're you up to? poker in the lobby tonight. about to head down for a smoke and some cards. [06:30] mnepton: I'm being highly anti-social and attempting to ditch this cold [06:31] sharing is caring [06:31] :) [06:31] people still at MTV then / === rodarvus [i=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:39] <_ion> The newest innovation: germ sharing in Patient2Patient networks. [07:01] pygi: in debian, dvd+rw-tools suggests cdrskin === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AWOSLappy [n=awilcox@unaffiliated/awosdev] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:10] I was referred here by #ubuntu. [07:10] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32266/ === minghua_ [n=minghua@adsl-69-153-134-97.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:11] When the error comes up, it stops for about five minutes with [07:12] '/sbin/modprobe': Premature exit or something along those lines, I don't remember the exact wording [07:12] And ever since this error happens on bootup my touchpad and external PS/2 mouse no longer work. [07:13] line 19 references an old kernel. Can you reproduce this with 6.06.1? [07:13] I have 6.06.1 [07:13] you're not using the latest kernel, however, according to the OOPS [07:14] Well I don't have Edgy (6.10), I have Dapper LTS (6.06.1) [07:15] Shall I get Feisty? [07:15] I'm referring to 2.6.15-27 [07:15] I will apt-get update and apt-get upgrade [07:16] dist-upgrade instead of upgrade, please. [07:16] ! [07:16] no! [07:16] /dev/hda3 5.5G 5.1G 78M 99% / [07:16] ^ I have no disk space [07:16] I can barely upgrade [07:17] and since the *STUPID* NFS doesn't work I can't back up either [07:17] do you have a live cd? [07:17] of Dapper. [07:17] not of Edgy. [07:17] and besides, can bcm43xx be started on the live CD? [07:17] that's fine, then, as long as you have it at the location where the machine is located physically. [07:18] Ubuntu, Kubuntu or Xubuntu? I have all three [07:18] doesn't really matter; they share the same kernel [07:18] Okay I am staring at the 6.06 LTS disc right now [07:19] but it has 2.6.15-23 too [07:19] I would remove linux-image-2.6.15-23-386 and dist-upgrade to linux-image-2.6.15-27-386 [07:19] ! [07:19] can you even DO that without touching anything else? === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:20] sure, it will remove linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386 and assorted metapackages, but you should be interested more in getting that new l-i (and possibly l-r-m) than anything else [07:21] so what do I do in apt/sources.list? [07:21] if it fubars, boot from the live cd, chroot into your install partition, remove linux-image-2.6.15-27-386, and reinstall linux-image-2.6.15-23-386 (and possibly linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386) from the CD [07:21] don't touch sources.list(5) [07:21] Ah okay. [07:21] okay not touching [07:22] Holy moly! [07:22] requires 83M of disk space [07:22] I have 78 [07:23] and that's why you remove linux-image-2.6.15-23-386 first, since it will remove linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386, too, clearing more than 78 MB [07:23] ah [07:23] AWOSLappy: check /var/cache/apt/archives/ too, you may have old debs in there [07:23] Wow. [07:23] only requires 246kB now :) [07:24] Ng, that would be apt-get clean right? [07:24] yeah [07:25] Okay it sas === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:25] s/sas/says/ [07:26] You are running a kernel (version 2.6.15-23-386) and attempting to remove the same version. [07:26] This is a potentially dangerous action. [07:27] Not only will /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-23-386 be removed, making it impossible to boot it, (you will have to take action to change your boot loader to boot a new kernel), it will also remove all modules under the directory /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386. [07:27] Just having a copy of the kernel image is not enough, you will have to replace the modules too. [07:27] I repeat, this is very dangerous. If at all in doubt, answer no. If you know exactly what you are doing, and are prepared to hose your system, then answer Yes. === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has left #ubuntu-devel ["trombone"] [07:28] Remove the running kernel image (not recommended) [No] ? [07:28] What do I do crimsun? [07:35] crimsun? hello? [07:35] how much additional space do you gain when you ``apt-get clean''? [07:35] (I'm busy atm.) === Keybuk [i=scott@conference/canonical/x-6ce122786f7ed8ab] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:36] I don't know [07:36] Remove the running kernel image (not recommended) [No] ? [07:36] Keybuk, did you ever save a copy of that patch i made for signkey.pl ? [07:36] Mez: no, probably not -- why? [07:36] cause i lost it ; [07:36] and want a copy ;) [07:36] ahh [07:36] no, I don't [07:37] :( [07:37] Keybuk, do you have the email still describing it ? [07:37] AWOSLappy: answer No, then, and find out how much space you gain (if any) [07:38] okay [07:38] Hmm. [07:38] I'm at 42M now [07:39] Mez: doubt it [07:39] after the download [07:39] AWOSLappy: let's migrate this to #ubuntu, please, since it's not Feisty development-related. [07:40] okay. [07:40] Keybuk, thought not :P [07:40] Keybuk, anyways, when you back in brum so I can arrange a keysigning with you ;) [07:40] Mez: don't tend to keep e-mail much, and I haven't done much with signkey [07:40] Mez: sunday [07:40] up for a drink monday then ? === Keybuk [i=scott@conference/canonical/x-0dbeaf3a60177d47] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-12-30.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AWOSLappy [n=awilcox@unaffiliated/awosdev] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Check] === cge [n=cge@DHCP-159-79.caltech.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-12-30.net-htp.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === minghua_ is now known as minghua === cge [n=costi@DHCP-159-79.caltech.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:31] infinity: please give-back tomboy on !x86 and gmime2.2 on x86, thanks :) should build now that libxml-*-perl is in main :) [08:33] slomo_: I can say with some amount of certainty that adam is *not* around right now :p [08:33] Keybuk: have you filled my inbox just to make me cry when I try and parse them for UWN or just for the malicious pleasure of it? [08:34] Burgundavia: hmm? [08:34] all the new stuff from Debina [08:35] can't avoid it [08:35] the mails go when they're accepted from NEW [08:35] so the usual "suppress the sync mails" thing doesn't work === Mez wishes there was a way to cram patches down upstreams throats [08:35] Keybuk: yep, anyway, this makes next weeks UWN a wee bit more interesting [08:35] heh [08:35] summary "we're syncing from Debian" [08:35] so not *that* interesting [08:36] but all of that is stuff that is completely new in Ubuntu, correct? [08:36] Keybuk, and yet you didnt sync kde-style-klearlook [08:36] Mez: I didn't? [08:36] it wasnt in my inbox ;) [08:36] oh, it probably wanted to override a package or something [08:37] Keybuk: ok, good to know :) if you have some seconds please do it ;) [08:37] slomo_: I have no seconds [08:37] and I have no beer [08:37] Keybuk, it provides a binary package already provided by the source package kde-klearlook in ubuntu [08:37] I need to rectify at least one of these ;P [08:37] but i wanna get rid of that source package and replace it with the debian one [08:37] Mez: does the one in ubuntu have XubuntuY in its version? [08:38] Keybuk, yes - [08:38] hmm, it doesn't show up in new-source [08:38] Keybuk, is there a way todrop the kde-klearlook package from the archives ? [08:38] kde-style-klearlook # shipped in klearlook [08:38] ahh [08:38] Mez: can I override the changes? [08:38] Keybuk, kill the klearlook source package and just grab the kde-style-klearlook source package from debian [08:38] there is a bug requesting that ;) [08:39] Mez: what's your lp id? [08:39] bug 61289 [08:39] Malone bug 61289 in klearlook "Please sync kde-style-klearlook 0.9.9.2-1 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61289 [08:39] Keybuk, it's mez [08:40] Will remove the following packages from feisty: [08:40] klearlook | 0.9.7-0ubuntu2 | source [08:40] ------------------- Reason ------------------- [08:40] (keybuk) RoM obsoleted by kde-style-klearlook [08:40] ---------------------------------------------- === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:40] RoM [08:40] ? [08:40] Request-of-Maintainer [08:41] ah, cool :D [08:41] cheers, and if you can ping me when the sync is done I can kill off the bug [08:42] [Updating] kde-style-klearlook (0 [Ubuntu] < 0.9.9.2-2 [Debian] ) [08:42] * Trying to add kde-style-klearlook... [08:42] - [08:42] - [08:42] - [08:42] iwj: kde-style-klearlook [universe] -> kde-style-klearlook_0.9.7-0ubuntu2 [universe] . 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