fgiraldeauOk, I did tests on feisty for my package and I'm ready to upload12:13
fgiraldeauI got this error : Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution.12:14
imbrandonfgiraldeau: is a new package not in ubuntu or a patch for an existing one ?12:14
imbrandonfgiraldeau: that means you dont have upload rights12:14
fgiraldeauThis is a new package12:14
imbrandonok and your uploading to REVU ?12:14
fgiraldeauYes. Is it correct?12:15
imbrandonhave you added your self to the lp team?12:15
imbrandonand has a admin synced the keyring ?12:15
fgiraldeauI'm in this team : ubuntu-universe-contributors12:16
imbrandonyes, one sec lemme sync the keyring12:16
imbrandongah i cant do it atm, ajmitch are you still arround ?12:19
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fgiraldeauimbrandon : Thanks for all your time12:21
imbrandonfgiraldeau: no problem, sorry i cant login to tiber atm, ajmitch  or other revu admin will have to sync the keyring12:21
fgiraldeauI promess to Gideon to upload this package today :)12:21
imbrandonwhen they become non-afk12:21
fgiraldeauRight, no problem12:22
imbrandonok back in about an hour12:23
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fgiraldeauI will be back too in one hour12:24
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dokodholbach, vil: any progress towards becoming a MOTU?12:36
vildoko: did not progress much till last time12:37
dholbachdoko: I didn't work closely enough with vil to say something about it12:37
dholbachvil: hey... how are you?12:37
vildholbach: fine, thx12:37
dholbachvil: what would you like to work on?12:38
vildholbach: I am particulary interested in eclipse and java12:39
dholbachwoah nice12:39
vildholbach: also python is my favorite, but do not have much experience with that12:39
dholbachvil: did you find anything to work on already?12:39
pygivil: you can be tutored on that ^_^12:40
vildholbach: doko helped me to publish eclipse-pydev so far12:40
pygivil: whatever you need, feel free to ask ^_^12:40
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vilpygi: seeing your nick you seem to like python12:40
pygilol ^_^12:40
dokodholbach: plus he helped with updating patches for eclipse-3.2 and packaging build dependencies12:41
dholbachvil: as pygi said, if you need anything - just shout12:41
vildoko: yes, that's me12:41
dholbachvil: good work12:41
pygivil: I can instruct you about dark magic of how burning works on low levels ^_^12:42
vildholbach: so what can I do to become one of the masters?12:42
pygidholbach: btw. if you need me to package anything this weekend, you shout ^_^12:42
pygivil: just contribute, get your gpg key signed, and appear in front of council ^_^12:43
vilpygi: I am not quite sure if should ask about burning. does it hurt? :)12:43
pygivil: always :P If I have to translate: cd recording ^_^12:43
vilpygi: for gpg - task completed12:44
pygivil: nice ^_^12:44
dholbachpygi: why do you use "^_^" after every sentence?12:44
vilyou should be able to find my key signed by kabi@debian.org12:45
pygidholbach: dunno, will stop :P12:45
pygidholbach: sorry12:45
dholbachI didn't ask you to stop i t - I just wondered ;-)12:45
vildholbach: now he will use :P lol12:45
pygidholbach: dunno, just happy :P Won't be after today again, but oh well :)12:45
pygivil: ergh :)12:45
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pygidholbach: o, btw. (/me bugs again) libburn is now up to par with cdrecord cd-recording tasks ^_^12:46
vildholbach: what about second task - contributing12:46
pygiin theory ^_^12:46
pygivil: well, write patches/package them, work on new packages, etc, etc12:46
dholbachpygi: nice12:46
pygiups, I did it again, that smiley :P12:47
dholbachvil: doko just told me what you worked on up until now - to me it sounds like you should go for MOTU soon :-)12:47
vilpygi: ok, I mean when am I ready to stand in front of the council?12:47
pygivil: as dh said ... soon :)12:47
dholbachvil: with what doko told me, I think you are12:47
pygidholbach: /me will never be motu, damn keys, and my exams for stopping me come to UDS :)12:48
pygibut me just stops and goes away not to bug people working ...12:48
vilpygi: you're welcome :)12:49
pygivil: hehe :)12:49
vilpygi: for me it was perfect invitation12:49
pygivil: I'm welcome for what, heh? :P12:49
dholbachvil: did you read  http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newdev ?12:50
vildholbach: I guess yes, but reading it again does not hurt12:51
dholbachvil: are you an ubuntumember already?12:51
vildholbach: I have signed the manifest but did not ask any council, yet12:53
dholbachvil: then you should do that first and ask doko to be at the next CC meeting too, so he can do the cheerleading for you :-)    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto12:53
pygivil: oh, you have to become member first prior to motu12:54
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vildoko: well, will you be my cheeleader on the next CC?12:57
pygidholbach: didn't we had those exceptions where you could apply for both in one run?12:57
vildoko: it seems that it does not have a date, yet.12:57
dokovil, dholbach: I won't have email access next week, so maybe somebody else can do that12:57
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dholbachpygi: probably, yes - the documents are quite confusing12:58
dholbachpygi: we're changing the process currently12:58
vilpygi, I am not in a rush, but if we can make it short, I would not argue ;)12:59
dholbachbut until then we stick to the old process12:59
pygidholbach: does one involve being able to upload with keys signed by DD's or UD's? :P12:59
ajmitchyou really really should have that signature12:59
pygiajmitch: I know, but no one to sign :-/01:00
pygidholbach: without*01:00
vilhow often does the CC meet?01:01
vildholbach: and is it possible to make it in one round like pygi suggested?01:02
LaserJockvil: generally every 2 weeks I believe01:02
dholbachvil: then you should try to make the next ubuntu-dev meeting01:02
dholbachTB meeting01:02
dholbachand join the ubuntu-dev team01:02
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vildholbach: was not able to find the next CC meeting01:07
dholbachthen it has not been announced yet01:07
vildholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda just mentions the last one a moth ago01:07
dholbachso it's not been announced yet01:08
ajmitchhopefully there's another one soon01:08
ajmitchI wonder when CC nominations happen01:08
bhaledholbach: nice to see you on our schedule!01:08
bhalestill awake01:09
ajmitchhello bhale01:09
pygivil: good luck on a meeting01:09
dholbachbhale: on your schedule? :)01:09
bhaledholbach: yes.01:09
vilpygi: thx01:10
pygivil: and please do shout if there is anything you need, we'll be more then glad to help01:10
pygiand one more thing you'll learn is that I often very annoy people01:11
vildholbach: thx for introduction to the processes, I have to read all that stuff01:11
vilpygi: lol01:11
dholbachvil: just add yourself to the ubuntu-dev team and be sure to be at the next TB meeting (once a date is set)01:11
dholbachvil: if you need anything else, let me know01:11
vildholbach: first I have to be a member, right?01:12
pygivil: you said you'll try both so shhh :)01:13
dholbachvil: you should attend the meeting whichever comes first :-)01:13
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vilI am somewhat slow, but now I get it01:15
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minghuaajmitch: remember the bug about GCC_4.2.0 symbol discussed here a few days ago?01:43
minghuaI found Debian bug #386121 about exactly this issue01:43
UbugtuDebian bug 386121 in libstdc++6 "libstdc++6: Incompatibility with older libgcc_s.so.1" [Important,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/38612101:43
ajmitchlinked the launchpad bug to that?01:43
minghuajust in case you are interested :-)01:43
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ajmitchnot particularly, it didn't affect me01:44
minghuaajmitch: now which LP bug was that?  :-P01:44
ajmitchdoko may be interested though :)01:44
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dokoajmitch: not a bug01:45
ajmitchbug 7155901:45
UbugtuMalone bug 71559 in Ubuntu "libgcc_s.so.1 prob? libstdc++.so.1 and libgcj.so.70 complain about GCC_4.2.0 no being found" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7155901:45
ajmitchdoko: good to know01:45
minghuait shouldn't affect anybody who don't use broken third-party software (by broken means it provides its own libgcc_s.so.1)01:45
minghuayeah, doko said it's not a bug in the Debian bug, so no point to bother him with the ubuntu bug, I suppose01:46
ajmitchhe's already been bothered now :)01:46
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LaserJockminghua: you don't need readline support for that gnuplot history thing?01:56
minghuaLaserJock: I don't know, note I said "may" :-)01:57
minghuaLaserJock: the upstream web page is rather unclear either01:57
minghuaI suppose I need to try a real configure to find out01:57
minghuaLaserJock: I can't imagine Fedora violating GPL though, as --with-readline=gnu has been available for years01:58
LaserJockwell, every distro I've know except Debian has had readline support in gnuplot01:59
LaserJockI don't really get it but apparently Debian doesn't like it02:00
ajmitchif readline is GPL, and gnuplot isn't, you won't be compiling readline support in02:00
minghuaLaserJock: it's really crystal-clear case:  your license is not compatible with GPL, you can't link to GPL library.  period.02:00
LaserJockright, but ever distro I've used other then Debian/Ubuntu has had it02:01
azeemthere's a BSD-licensed libedit I believe, which might be binary-compatible to libreadline02:02
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minghuaazeem: thanks, I'll look into that02:03
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minghuathe description of libedit2 says "it slightly resembles GNU readline" though02:04
LaserJockbut yeah, that was my first intro to debian packaging02:04
azeemminghua: maybe gnuplot can use it, dunno02:04
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nixternalimbrandon: how long does kvirc build for?  jeesh02:10
nixternali started the build and left for dinner, came back and it is still building02:11
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zulthats nothing02:12
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minghuatry leave for sleep next time? :-P02:17
nixternalya, but we are talking an IRC client02:18
minghuanixternal: I remember imbradon mentioning kvirc took surprisingly long time to build as well02:18
nixternali think he did as well02:19
nixternalwow..it has been going for probably 45min now02:19
nixternalthis isn't the strongest computer, but it isn't the weakest either02:20
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nixternalhow come an updated package never showed up in the feisty changes list or one p.u.c, but if i apt-cache show it, it shows the updated package02:30
Adri2000nixternal: is it an autosynced package?02:33
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minghuap.u.c is pretty outdated from what I heard02:34
nixternalno it wasn't02:34
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fernandohi all02:45
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chillywillylol @ The Office02:55
chillywillythat show is flippin hilarious02:55
bhalechillywilly: dude02:56
nixternalmy name is earl is better02:56
bhalechillywilly: the product placement was awful02:56
bhalenixternal: ...02:56
bhaleno one would watch Earl if it wasnt before the office02:56
chillywillyI like both of them02:56
chillywillyno way...I like what's his face from all the Kevin Smith movies02:56
nixternalis the ... good or bad?02:57
chillywillyI shall eat your children02:57
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nixternalheck ya chillywilly!02:57
nixternali forgot his name..and the name he goes by in mallrats and what not as well02:58
bhalethe guy staring at the picture?02:58
nixternalthe comic book man02:58
bhalekeep making dick and fark jokes man!02:58
nixternali haven't seen clerks 2 yet02:58
nixternalthe big fat one?02:59
nixternali forgot his name too02:59
LaserJockphew, I was worried I missed them03:00
LaserJockthank goodness for PST03:00
LaserJockmy only reason for having a TV is Thursday night03:01
LaserJockwell, there are some movies I like too03:01
LaserJockbut Earl and the Office are the only TV shows I watch03:02
chillywillyother than the SciFi channel ;)03:02
LaserJockwell, I don't get the SciFi channel03:02
nixternalhave you seen the 40yo virgin?03:02
LaserJockonly local stations03:02
LaserJocknixternal: no03:03
nixternalhaha, that guy had me laughing so hard in that movie03:04
nixternalwhen they wax his chest hair....my god you could see he was dead serious during that03:04
LaserJocknixternal: you seen Nacho LIbre?03:06
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nixternalis it new?03:07
nixternalomg, jack black..ahahahahah03:07
nixternali gotta get that03:08
LaserJockwell, it's Jack Black and one of the guys that made Napoleon Dynamite03:08
LaserJockI haven't seen it03:08
LaserJockbut it looks interesting03:09
_MMA_LaserJock: I just watched it.03:10
_MMA_It was ok. I dont know if it will grow on me like Napoleon Dynamite. Was ok. Worth it to see once.03:10
nixternalim watching the trailer03:11
LaserJockyeah, I think I'll rent it once at least03:11
nixternalhit him in the chest with a bee hive03:11
_MMA_THAT was funny. :)03:11
LaserJockI don't think I've ever seen a Jack Black movie03:12
bddebianDon't bother :-)03:12
_MMA_LaserJock: Didnt see 40year old virgin?03:12
_MMA_I watch that once a week. :)03:12
nixternaljack black is nuts03:12
_MMA_nixternal: Hes great in High Fidelity.03:13
LaserJockI watched these Jack Black "making of" movies of Nacho Libre03:14
LaserJockquite funny03:14
LaserJockthe waxing was what reminded me of it03:14
LaserJockhe gets his whole chest waxed03:14
nixternalhigh fidelity rocked03:14
nixternalin 40yo virgin, they put a smiley face in his chest...he makes up cuss words it hurts so bad03:15
nixternalyou could actually see the pain when they did it03:16
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chillywillypoor pam03:17
_MMA_nixternal: In the "making of" they show him afterwords getting burn cream out on the areas he got waxes. The blood was real.03:17
LaserJockchillywilly: don't spoil it for me :p03:18
chillywillyyou're not watching it?03:18
LaserJockit's only 6:20 here03:19
nixternalhmm..i might go payperview the ground truth03:19
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nixternaljeesh, 503 emails for feisty-changes03:47
ajmitchtis nothing03:47
nixternali just got bombed03:47
ajmitchdon't subscribe to ubuntu-bugs then03:47
nixternalwhen i was watching pr0n it was..03:47
nixternali mean youtube03:48
nixternalnot boogs, changes ;)03:48
nixternali wanna see all of those in the next uwn for feisty updates ;)03:49
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ajmitchcrimsun: "afraid of sunlight"?03:52
crimsunthat's what Flash does to me03:52
LaserJockcrimsun: do you have food delivered to your computer?03:56
ajmitchah, bddebian is here03:56
LaserJockor maybe you don't even need food03:56
bddebianNo he's not03:56
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crimsunLaserJock: I haven't done that in a while03:56
bddebianLaserJock: He's a machine, he doesn't need food03:56
ajmitchwe don't need council greyskull03:57
ajmitchwe have crimsun (and bddebian)03:57
psusianyone here know a lot about the new features in ext?  specifically the resize inode, dir_index, and filetype?03:59
psusiI'm trying to patch defrag to handle them properly03:59
jdong_psusi: heh, e2defrag is still alive?04:00
jdong_psusi: I wrote pyfragtools (lp/product/$@) for that purpose :D04:00
psusisort of... the package is still in the archive, though it has been failing to build for the last two releases04:00
psusiI'm dusting it off04:00
jdong_psusi: it's a FS-neutral data defragger04:01
jdong_doesn't do crap about free space04:01
psusiI've already made 5 patches to fix bugs and make it work with modern formats, and use sane amounts of buffer cache on modern machines04:01
psusifs jeutral?04:01
psusifs neutral even?04:01
jdong_psusi: yeah04:01
jdong_psusi: it uses FBIOMAP04:01
jdong_psusi: which is implemented for practically everything :D04:01
psusiand copies/deletes the file until it is contiguous? ;)04:02
jdong_psusi: basically yeah04:02
jdong_psusi: it's pretty damn effective at getting the job done :D04:02
psusiitit doesn't work so good on filesystems that use sub block allocating04:02
jdong_maybe not04:02
jdong_I've used it effectively on ext3, reiserfs, and JFS though04:02
psusiyea, but it doesn't have the cool dancing block ansii map like defrag does ;)04:02
jdong_though JFS really didn't need it :D04:02
psusiwhat happens when it hits tails on reiser?04:02
jdong_psusi: they're not fragmented by definition? :D04:03
psusiyea they are04:03
psusithe last part of the file data is stored elsewhere from the rest of it04:03
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psusiand there may be multiple tails in the same block04:03
jdong_interesting point04:04
fgiraldeauHi there, I'm ready to upload a package and would like to know if my gpg key has been included in the list04:04
jdong_psusi: in which case it would be a WONTFIX --> e2fsprogs::filefrags bug :D04:04
psusiI've been toying around with another idea lately too... du is horribly slow on large directories because it stat()s each inode in the order that readdir() returns them... which has a completely random relationship to the disk block order of the inodes04:04
psusiso du causes a massive seek storm04:05
psusiwould be nice for readdir() to return directories in the order that their inodes appear on disk04:05
psusibut right now I'm trying to figure out WTF these new ext features are04:06
psusiI got it to at least not corrupt the fs anymore, but it is treating the resize inode as bad blocks04:06
psusiI'd like it to be able to move it04:06
psusiI still don't even understand WTF the resize inode is04:07
psusiand why it is created by default04:07
psusiaverage users don't need to resize the fs on the fly04:07
psusiand it appears to reserve a good chunk of disk space04:08
psusidapper did not have this04:08
psusijdong_, you have universe upload access?04:11
jdong_psusi: no, sir04:11
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jdong_any suggestions on how to gauge upload speed in a python script?04:29
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LaserJocknixternal: hmmm04:33
LaserJock"I played around with LaserJock ..." ?04:34
psusijdong_, same way you do it in any language?  bytes send divided by time04:36
jdong_psusi: where to, though?04:36
Lathiatpsusi: AIUI, to resize the FS04:36
Lathiatpsusi: you neeed to expand the INODE table? (or something)04:36
Lathiatso it reserves space to do that04:36
Lathiatit does this so you can expand online04:36
Lathiati could be off the mark but thats how i understand it anyway04:36
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Lathiatas i unstand it04:37
psusiand it has to reserve it when the fs is created so it can be sure to grab the fixed blocks where the expanded inode table must be located?04:38
psusiI see.... then yea... you don't want to go moving those blocks around ;)04:38
jdong_wow did universe get a new shipment of packages :D04:39
psusiI saw that email aready and it doesn't seem tob e relatred04:39
psusirelated even04:39
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psusithat seems to be talking about getting rid of a dummy in memory only inode that was used as a means of adding new blocks to the free list ( by unlinking an inode that had those blocks allocated )04:40
Lathiatah ok04:40
psusibut oh well.... defrag at least refuses to move the inode so it doesn't clobber the fs04:40
psusimaybe now I can find someone to upload it ;)04:40
psusithough I think we should also turn off the expand inode by default... average desktop users don't need to be able to expand the fs on the fly04:41
psusiif they really want to they can just boot from the livecd and use gparted04:41
=== ajmitch likes being able to expand the fs
psusiwait a second...04:42
psusiwhy does space need reserved for expanding?  if you expand the fs, you will be adding the new inodes and bitmaps in the new space04:42
psusinot converting existing data blocks into inodes04:42
=== ajmitch looks at the cost of getting another sata disk
psusiwait a second...04:46
psusishouldn't this control file specify ALL for Architecture:?  not any?04:46
Lathiatpsusi: my limited understanding of filesystems indicates theres an area that maps out the in use inodes.. or something04:46
psusierr... maybe I got those backwards again04:46
Lathiatwhich it reserves additional space for so it can expand without unmounting the filesystem04:46
Lathiatarguably a technical limitation04:46
ajmitchpsusi: yep, arch: any means compile for any arch04:46
psusiwhich one means build for each availible architecture, and which one means build once and it runs on all architectures?04:46
psusiLathiat, it doesn't make sense to reserve any space though since the space for the new data does not exist yet... it will be in the new area after the fs is expanded04:47
psusiyou can't reserve something that does not yet exist04:47
Lathiatpsusi: no this is part of a map of the inodes that is created in the existing space04:48
Lathiatand apparently ext3 cant "add more to that map" whiel the FS is mounted04:48
Lathiatbut if it pre-allocates it, it can04:48
Lathiatagain, im arguing blind here, youd be best to speak to someone who knows more than i do :)04:48
psusithe inodes are stored in blocks at known intervals throughout the disk... so when you expand the fs and need to add more inodes, you add them to the new area, not the old04:49
Lathiatthen im possibly wron gbut it *definitely* needs to reserve some space int he existing part of the disk04:49
Lathiatfor somethign!04:49
Lathiatwho knows what04:49
Lathiati thought it was a map of in use/not in use inodes, i may be wrong04:49
Lathiatprobably am04:50
psusiafaik, the inodes and allocation bitmaps are in blocks of fixed size at fixed intervals throughout the disk... so if you add more disk, you add more inodes and bitmaps in the new part of the disk, not the old04:50
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psusianyone feel like testing my defrag fixes?  and maybe uploading them?04:53
UbugtuMalone bug 6546 in defrag "Failed to build on amd64" [Medium,Needs info] 04:53
=== psusi pokes Ubugtu... what other tricks you do bot?
Lathiatpsusi: i cant help but think witha tool a particularly potentially data destroying as defrag, poking those patches around upstream before uploading them to ubuntu might be usefull?04:55
psusiLathiat, well, the version currently in the archive is KNOWN to eat filesystems.... my fixed version doesn't to my knowlege ;)04:55
psusiand I fear there isn't much upstream...04:55
psusithe package doesn't appear to be maintained really04:56
ajmitchyay, new samba to merge, just when i was doing 3.0.23c04:56
psusithe debian maintainer appears to only apply patches that users submit to him04:56
psusivery infrequently04:56
Lathiatpsusi: hrm, right04:56
psusialso there is currently only an i386 binary in the archive, and that is from breezy04:56
psusicause it has failed to build from source on dapper and edgy04:57
Lathiatawesome :/04:57
psusigot to love it ;)04:57
psusianyhow.... I'll do some more testing on some larger filesystems and see if it screws the pooch04:58
psusibut so far, it is working well on dapper on i386 and edgy on amd6404:58
psusiof course, the package description still says THIS CAN EAT YOUR DATA, SO BACK UP FIRST ;)04:59
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nixternalLaserJock: you prevert!05:03
LaserJockyou said it!!05:03
nixternalwhere did i say that?05:07
nixternaloh, the blog post05:07
imbrandonohhh looks like keybuk dud a ton of debian to ubuntu NEW05:15
imbrandonlet the fun begin05:15
nixternal503 to be exact05:16
imbrandoni have 520+ since i loged in last , but still , the fun has started05:16
imbrandonnow i can properly update a few things05:16
nixternalanything you need help with that doesn't require brain surgery, i can help ya out05:17
imbrandonlemme look, i think i have a "junior job" for ya somewhere as it was put at UDS :)05:19
imbrandonserouisly one sec05:19
imbrandonyou dont have access to a ppc do you ?05:19
LaserJocknixternal: fix Universe05:19
LaserJockthat'd help05:19
nixternalhaha "junior job", i love it05:19
imbrandonhaha thats what we called jobs that dident require tons of experince05:20
imbrandonat UDS :)05:20
LaserJockcomes from KDE05:20
bddebianHmm, that's my kind of work :)05:20
nixternalx86 is all i have05:20
LaserJockbddebian is king of junior jobs05:20
imbrandonif you have access to a pcc nixternal you can do my mol merge05:20
imbrandonif not i'll find someonthg else05:20
nixternalLaserJock: point me in the right direction ;p05:20
imbrandonwe're gonna make a MOTU out of nixternal yet this release05:21
nixternalLaserJock: why all of a sudden the harping on KDE, just the other day you said gnome was for *$)*#$#05:21
ajmitchif only I could be a MOTU05:21
LaserJocknixternal:  "Go... fly...you are free...To fix the universe!"05:22
ajmitchphp has drilled holes in my skull & sucked any brains out that I had05:22
imbrandonnixternal: you can do this merge if you want, its mine and should be pretty streight forward , http://merges.ubuntu.com/d/drip/REPORT05:22
nixternalfind something else, as the only processor i buy and support start with an A, has the middle initial M, and the last name starts with D05:22
LaserJocknixternal: harping?05:22
imbrandonnixternal: you can do this merge if you want, its mine and should be pretty streight forward , http://merges.ubuntu.com/d/drip/REPORT05:22
imbrandongah sorry05:22
nixternalkinda like jROTC05:22
nixternalbushism im sure05:23
nixternalimbrandon: is that an actual package or a personal issue?05:23
imbrandonthats a merge that i did last cycle so i was the last to touch it05:23
imbrandonits on merges.ubuntu.com05:23
imbrandonit should be a simple one to look over05:23
nixternalk, i need merge experience, so this could be a start...shouldn't take no longer then 305:24
imbrandonmerges are the best practice for new MOTU imho, lots of diffrent situations in there05:25
imbrandonthen LP cherry picking patches is probably the next on the list05:25
ajmitchimbrandon: can I do some merges please sir?05:26
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imbrandonajmitch: hahaha05:26
ajmitchsorry, 5:30pm friday, I was up till 2AM :)05:26
nixternalthat sounds like fun05:26
ajmitchplaying with samba & AD05:26
nixternalajmitch: your such a no0b05:26
ajmitchyeah I am05:26
ajmitchteach me your sk1llz!05:26
nixternalsjMOTU == super jr. MOTU05:27
imbrandonthats ok, my brother and his old lady have been fighting the last 48 hours so he has been over at my house, and when me and him get togather its like a redneck bar05:27
ajmitchsjMOTU = jesuit MOTU05:27
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nixternalyay samba05:27
nixternalit just works for me05:27
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ajmitchuh oh05:28
imbrandonlooking at merges05:28
nixternalsed the WORKGROUP to make it = my network, then restart samba ;p05:28
ajmitchnew xen crack imported from debian05:28
ajmitchit may cause issues05:28
nixternalhaha jesuit MOTU05:28
=== ajmitch will code up a quick interface to things like 'net ads join'
nixternalimbrandon: that isn't redneck, the is white trash05:29
imbrandonhahah not much diff in this part of the country05:29
nixternalpbr == poor man's OE05:29
imbrandonpbr == good05:29
imbrandoncorona == better05:30
LaserJockpbr == professional bull riding05:30
LaserJocksorry, I'm from Montana05:30
imbrandonpabst blue ribon05:30
nixternalwater == best05:30
ajmitchok, I'm off home, back online soon05:30
imbrandonlater ajmitch05:30
nixternalya LaserJock, you just showed off your true hillbilly instincts05:31
nixternalya, it will make you go berr05:31
nixternalfrom trying not to throw up05:31
nixternalthanks for the warning ajmitch05:31
LaserJockmy gosh, them there eastern'rs have "paved" roads05:32
nixternali just did a save as with ff on my feisty box, and the save window was #6569ae05:32
imbrandontrue redneck is when you have to watch what can you pickup to drink because your GF might have used it for a spit cup05:32
nixternaltalk about not right05:32
LaserJockimbrandon: oh yeah05:32
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LaserJockalways use a clear bottle05:32
nixternali love um too05:33
imbrandonmt dew bottle, pepsi clear bottles can be brown liquid, still not good05:33
imbrandonmt is never brown05:33
nixternalalthough, the grand canyon don't have anything on the chicago pot holes05:33
imbrandonits sad when you know that05:33
imbrandonwow i must really be a redneck at heart05:34
bddebianAre you dissing us rednecks?05:34
LaserJockbddebian: we *are* the rednecks ;-)05:34
imbrandonbddebian: no , i'm just trying to deny my nickname Riddell gave me at UDS05:34
imbrandonhehe but its not working05:34
imbrandoni never thought about a redneck geek though, we must be a small minority05:35
bddebianHeh, that's no shit :)05:35
imbrandoni seen a cool button i'm going to make into a paypal graphic for my site and take the google ad's off, it had a face holding a sign "not hungry, just broke" click here , etc etc etc05:37
imbrandoni thought that was classic, and after 2 years of google ad's i made a whole $8 UDS, they are ugly and do no good05:37
LaserJockit's getting to you05:38
imbrandonhahah yea05:38
crimsun$8 UDS? wow even I can afford that05:38
imbrandonheya crimsun05:38
crimsunmaybe I'll be able to swing the next UDS at that rate05:38
imbrandonactualy i dont even know why i put them up in the first place, my hosting is only ~120 a year for 200GB space and 2TB bandwidth an month , but it seemed like a good idea then05:40
imbrandonand last i looked ( about a week ago ) i use about a whole 2% of that, thus why i give anyone that needs a web home some space ( within reason )05:41
imbrandonand that 2% is including running a mirror for Seveas and i get about 2k hits a day on my blog05:42
imbrandonsooo , google ad's kinda useless05:42
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LaserJock2k hits a day on your blog?05:43
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imbrandonLaserJock: yea last i looked that was avarage05:43
imbrandonlemme check05:43
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imbrandonwow its went up , LaserJock http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss117.png05:45
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imbrandongood now i dont have to talk to myself :)05:47
ajmitchnow I can get back to real hacking05:49
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LaserJockimbrandon: well, I'm doing < 2k05:49
=== bddebian doesn't know what "real hacking" is
crimsundeities don't need to hack. They just think, and stuff appears bug-free.05:50
ajmitchmere mortals like crimsun & I have to work hard at it05:50
ajmitchthough I'm not even close to crimsun's abilities05:50
bddebianGah, I really don't know why I continue to come here05:50
crimsunmy disabilities? hehe05:51
ajmitchbecause you love us all05:51
bddebianWell that's true :_)05:51
ajmitchimbrandon: one thing I lack for a blog - somewhere to put it :)05:53
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ajmitchthe other thing being lack of motivation05:53
minghuais there any SRU already entered -updates?05:53
ajmitchminghua: I don't think so yet05:53
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minghuaajmitch: is there any way to know easily?  like a -update-changes list or something?  I want to manually subscribe as bug contact to SRUed packages to do the triaging work I proposed05:55
ajmitchno idea, sorry05:55
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LaserJockdo we have anything in -proposed yet?05:56
ajmitchI don't know - people have filed bugs for SRUs05:56
minghuadidn't Fujitsu upload his gcl/maxima fix to -proposed?05:56
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LaserJocknot sure if it went to -proposed or not05:56
imbrandonheh ajmitch i can give you a spot to put it, thats not a probelm :)05:57
ajmitchimbrandon: the lack of anything to write about is a problem though :)05:57
imbrandonhehe yea that could be :)05:58
minghuanah.  both dapper-proposed and edgy-proposed seem to be empty for universe05:58
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crimsunwell, the only thing I have to blog about from Warty through Edgy is "I hate quirks."05:59
imbrandoni tried to upload something to edgy-proposed a few days ago, and its silently dissapeared05:59
imbrandonno idea why05:59
crimsunso two years of blogging summarised in three words.05:59
ajmitchprobably goes into an unapproved queue05:59
ajmitchcrimsun: impressive05:59
nixternalimbrandon: drip is 0.9.0-3 in debian unstable, and the current one we have is rc3, so, i would just grab the debian one, as the only change between our rules file and theirs is that06:01
nixternal# Don't ship static libraries or .la files with our plugins. We're just an app..06:01
nixternal        rm -f $(CURDIR)/debian/drip/usr/lib/*a06:01
nixternaland in ubuntu rc3, it was to chmod 0644 tthose files06:02
imbrandonyou are looking at more than just the rules right? if so it might just be a sync06:02
imbrandoni havent looked this round06:02
nixternalso, i could test build it here, and if it works, post a bug with the logfile and request a sync?06:02
nixternalwell, in debian unstable it is a new upstream release06:03
nixternalno longer a release candidate for one06:03
nixternaland there were no ubuntu specific patches from what i could see06:03
imbrandonnixternal: thats not what i ment, e.g did you grab the merge from merges.ubuntu.com, its there becouse there was some kinda of delta06:04
imbrandonif that delta is no longer needed then yes go through the sync process06:04
imbrandonnixternal: whats the changelog say ?06:05
nixternaldebian or ubuntu?06:05
imbrandonthe ubuntu one , what is the reason for the diffrence06:05
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imbrandonahh yea, looks to be just a sync, make sure it builds fine , then file a sync request with all the nessesary info as per normal06:07
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nixternalroger dodger06:08
crimsuntime to remove ~/.mozilla/plugins/06:09
imbrandoncrimsun: ?06:09
crimsunless than a half-hour until flashplugin-nonfree binaries hit.06:09
imbrandonahh right06:09
imbrandoni noticed that too06:10
ajmitchcrimsun: it'll automagically upgrade peoples' flash 7 setup?06:10
=== nixternal gets to erasing
imbrandonajmitch: from the changelog it looks to be so06:11
bddebianGnight gents06:11
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ajmitchnight bddebian06:11
imbrandonajmitch: gnash ?06:12
ajmitchbut I don't have a flash package installed06:12
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imbrandonyea i need to clean out my plugins06:12
crimsunajmitch: it eliminates some hacky stuff Simon and I worked on for 7.0.68, yeah06:12
imbrandoni have no idea whats installed and whats not06:12
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crimsun...that's bad.06:17
imbrandonas far as flash wise from source or plugins packages06:17
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nixternalwho do i subscribe for sync requests?06:27
ajmitchubuntu-universe-sponsors, who will then check it06:27
ajmitch(aka crimsun)06:28
minghuasince when does firefox's postinst says "restart any running firefoxES"?06:28
MezI thought it was06:28
crimsunyou may as well just tell me the bug # now.06:28
ajmitchMez: preferably not for sponsored uploads06:28
crimsunMez: no, u-u-s does that step06:28
ajmitchcrimsun: none of the rest of us have any chance...06:28
UbugtuMalone bug 72131 in drip "[Feisty MoM]  please sync drip-0.9.0-3 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 06:28
Mezajmitch, ah, didnt know nexternal was sponsored, thought he was a dev06:29
crimsunnixternal: please follow sync policy [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000181.html ] 06:30
ajmitchsync requests need more information, like changelog entries06:30
ajmitchas crimsun said06:30
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nixternalahhh...got it...will do now crimsun if you want me to carry through on that?06:31
crimsunyes, please06:35
nixternalno problem...06:36
crimsunthanks :-)06:36
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nixternalcrimsun: fixed -> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/drip/+bug/7213106:42
UbugtuMalone bug 72131 in drip "[Feisty MoM]  please sync drip-0.9.0-3 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 06:42
crimsunnixternal: there are Ubuntu changes [http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/d/drip/drip_0.8.3.2+0.9.0-rc3-7.1ubuntu1/changelog ] 06:43
crimsun(hence the version naming)06:44
nixternalhrmm...wth was i looking at06:45
nixternali think i overlooked that because all of the changes were in the debian source as well06:48
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nixternalalrighty, im back..so, should it continue on pressing for a sync, or should it be merged?06:58
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crimsunon first glance, it looks like a sync, but you need to enumerate each Ubuntu change and affirm that it can be overridden.06:59
CasHi, What is the correct way to request the inclusion of a program? file a bug on launchpad?07:00
nixternalwell, each ubuntu change is in the 0.9.0-3 from debian07:00
Mezis it "crackful" or "crackfull"07:02
Mezto describe something thats full of crack07:02
crimsunI tend to use the former07:04
crimsunnixternal: then please state as much after each Ubuntu entry07:04
Mezanyone else? (i want a concensus)07:04
CasMez: I put my money on 'crackful' since it's also 'beautiful'07:04
nixternalwhatever you do, don't google crackfull07:04
Meznixternal i already did07:04
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crimsunI would use "crackedness" instead07:05
crimsun[since crackedness is in the OED] 07:05
crimsun"Unsoundness of mind, craziness."07:05
crimsun1910 W. J. LOCKE Simon the Jester xiv, This was sheer crackedness of brain... When people begin to talk that way they are not allowed to go about loose. 1968 Listener 29 Aug. 278/2, I suppose all writers of children's classics have been cracked, or at least extremely weird, One respects their crackedness as a rare endowment.07:06
joejaxxcrimsun: what are some command line editors other than vim, nano and pico?07:06
crimsunjoe, evil, mc's built-in one, etc.07:06
Mez@dict crackedness07:06
ubuntu-esMez: Error: "dict" is not a valid command.07:06
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imbrandonemacs ed07:06
MezNo results found for crackedness07:06
joejaxximbrandon: i do not know ow to use emacs07:07
Mezhmm @ubuntu-es07:07
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joejaxxwhat is that you are using crimsun xfce?07:09
joejaxxoh ok07:09
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minghua_hmm, my feisty system doesn't boot after upgrade07:24
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nixternalcrimsun: how is that :) -> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/drip/+bug/7213107:26
UbugtuMalone bug 72131 in drip "[Feisty MoM]  please sync drip-0.9.0-3 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 07:26
nixternal### my comments concerning changes ###07:27
nixternalneedless to say, everyone of those changes are still in the debian package as well07:27
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crimsunno, not every single one.07:29
crimsunplease see, which contains an arch delta that has not been carried over into Debian unstable's07:30
nixternalso, is that overkill, or flat out wrong?07:30
crimsunI'm going to reject the sync request, because drip needs to be merged.07:31
nixternalroger that07:31
nixternalso, change the arch: to 386, and then merge, and i should be fine correct?07:32
crimsunif you're using MoM's output, that should confirm your work07:34
nixternalhah, i think i got it, the patch is my fixall07:36
nixternalalrighty..test building now, should i put it up on revu when i am complete?07:48
crimsunyou can attach it to the sync req07:48
crimsunthe debdiff, that is07:49
nixternalgot it07:51
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StevenK## These changes are present ....08:09
StevenK<One stanza of the changelog entry>08:09
crimsunI think he interpreted my statement above regarding each changelog entry to mean every one, not just the Ubuntu ones08:10
StevenKcrimsun: Stupid question, if I may?08:11
nixternali need one of them signs for my nick that says "Newbie on board, stand back"08:11
StevenKcrimsun: New packages from Debian that Ubuntu has never seen before will be dragged in automatically?08:11
crimsunStevenK: yessir08:12
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nixternalcrimsun: i attached the debdiff to bug 7213108:12
UbugtuMalone bug 72131 in drip "[Feisty MoM]  please sync drip-0.9.0-3 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7213108:12
StevenKHere's a question, why set the arch to i386 only?08:13
StevenKPaS is Packages-arch-specific which is a Debian sbuild thing.08:13
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StevenKnixternal: You forgot to set your name in the latest entry in the changelog.08:14
nixternalStevenK: couldn't answer that, as i just do as im told ;)   however, i did wonder the same thing as well08:14
StevenKnixternal: You also need to list the Ubuntu changes that remain.08:14
StevenKnixternal: I wonder if it builds on amd6408:15
crimsunnixternal: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000182.html08:15
nixternali totally forgot to dch -i08:15
crimsunI don't think you meant -i08:16
nixternalya crimsun, i forgot to dch ;(08:16
nixternali always do -i08:16
nixternalwhat is it supposed to be?08:16
StevenKdch -a or dch -e08:17
StevenKPersonally, I just use debian-changelog-mode in emacs.08:17
nixternalso just recap the previous ubuntu changes?08:20
nixternaland is this [Ubuntu Merge-o-Matic]  supposed to be in there?  from doing dch -a08:21
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nixternalcrimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32270/plain/  <- like this?08:44
crimsunnixternal: essentially, but you can combine & clarify a few08:45
crimsun(np. As an aside, I always capitalise 'Debian' out of habit.)08:45
nixternalclarify the libmagick portion, or just leave out the instead of?08:46
crimsunI'd make one debian/control entry that lists those (and you don't need to list the 'instead of' portion)08:47
nixternalwell, i actually just got done following the new flash nonfree that came through the changes ;)08:47
nixternalthat is why it is like debian/rules:08:47
nixternalahh, nm08:47
nixternalDebian unstable08:47
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macogwi dont think nmap is in the repositories08:50
crimsun!info nmap08:50
ubotunmap: The Network Mapper. In component main, is extra. Version 4.10-1 (edgy), package size 702 kB, installed size 2436 kB08:50
macogwmack@mack-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install nmap08:51
macogwReading package lists... Done08:51
macogwBuilding dependency tree08:51
macogwReading state information... Done08:51
macogwE: Couldn't find package nmap08:51
crimsun(fix & update your apt cache)08:51
nixternali just installed it earlier08:51
nixternalas well08:51
ubotuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource08:51
nixternalcrimsun: hopefully this is the last time i bug you tonight...i have a new debdiff up there now08:52
crimsunnixternal: ok, will look in 30 minutes after this phone call if someone else hasn't processed it08:53
MezOMG novell r the sux0rs08:53
macogwErr http://packages.freecontrib.org edgy/free Packages08:54
macogw  404 Not Found08:54
macogwoh well hey that doesnt look good08:54
crimsunmacogw: nmap is in main, as referenced above.08:54
macogwi cant apt-get it and it doesnt show in a synaptic search...i'm doing an apt-get update right now cuz someone just said something about update, but freecontrib cant be found and thats not cool08:55
crimsun(freecontrib is irrelevent to nmap)08:55
nixternalcrimsun: thanks...im gonna hit the sack, but if it is still fubarred, leave your name and number at the beep and I will get back with you as soon as possible ;)08:57
nixternalthanks again for the help bud08:57
crimsunnp, sleep well08:57
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macogwi just replaced my sources.list08:59
macogwand now nmap is installing08:59
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CasHi, Can someone tell me what package should have 'intltoolize' ?09:37
Fujitsu!find intltoolize09:39
ubotuFile intltoolize found in intltool09:39
Fujitsuie. it's in intltool.09:39
Casthanks Fujitsu09:41
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Cimihi again devs10:50
Cimihi ajmitch10:50
Cimiis there anybody here?10:51
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FujitsuOops, XbuildY.10:52
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xopherAlliright, Im now on a quest to become a MOTU. First I need to become a member, any hints on what I could do to achieve this?12:11
ajmitchdo lots of work12:12
ajmitchput your name forward12:12
ajmitchshow up at a CC meeting :)12:12
crimsunthat explanation rocks.12:13
ajmitchthanks, crimsun12:13
crimsunnp :)12:13
ajmitchhttp://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember has a bit more info12:13
xopherSo basically I need to either post something remarkable at the wiki or be hyper-active in the forums? What about irc-activity?12:15
ajmitchyou plan to be a MOTU, so contributions are in the form of packaging12:16
xopherThat I've been doing a long time already12:17
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xopherOk, everythings relative ;) But over a year actively I guess12:18
ajmitchthen if you have people to support that, and have written up on your wiki page about what you've done, then you're probably eligible12:18
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xopherOk, I guess I cant just pick any guy right? I mean it'd look better to have a (signed?) statement from the lead dev of the program right? Or do I need someone with me at the CCmeeting ?12:20
ajmitchpreferably someone who can show up at the CC meeting & answer questions12:21
ajmitchwho have you been working with to get things uploaded?12:21
xopherWell before I started working with bmpx (Beep-Media-Player) I did a bit uploading for quinn_storm, basically the amd64 branch of compiz-quinn12:22
ajmitchright, so stuff outside of ubuntu12:23
xopherBasically yes, un-official repositories for ubuntu12:23
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xopherI uploaded my first thing to REVU yesterday, the bmpx package, so doing things official is quite new for me12:26
xopherAnd I got my gpg-key signed yesterday too, heh, Im really putting some effort in this, well imho at least lol12:26
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Hobbseexopher: based on how it's known to break things...i'm not sure that they do a lot12:26
Hobbsees/ xopher / ajmitch /12:27
=== ajmitch still has an abiding distaste for certain external repositories like bmpx that have been known to break things badly
crimsunajmitch loves that mono bit.12:28
ajmitchplease don't bring that up12:28
ajmitchI may have a traumatic flashback12:28
FujitsuDid I hear mono mentioned near 3rd-party repositories?12:29
xopherWell Im guessing that's one reason why we're trying to get more integrated into ubuntu12:29
xopherHobbsee, what breakage are you referring to?12:29
Hobbseexopher: dapper people with beryl upgrading to edgy, in particular12:30
FujitsuYay, fireworks!12:30
xopherHobbsee, oh, you're talking about beryl12:31
ajmitchfor bmpx, the rather broken dbus backport in the repository12:31
Hobbseexopher: actually, i'm talking about all third party repos that break things, but that was what i was thinking of12:31
ajmitchwhich I complained about a couple of times, and saw people running into it a number of times12:31
xopherOk, now, just to get my facts right. There in no chance I could get a new package into edgy anymore, correct? Not even to backports?12:32
xopherSo what I should be aiming at is feisty?12:32
ajmitchaim for feisty12:33
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FujitsuAnd that's NOT an excuse to backport more crack to Edgy in third-party repos.12:35
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Hobbseeugh, yes12:36
xopherFujitsu, so what you're saying is that I shouldn't be maintaining a bmpx-repo for edgy? That I should take away the possibility of trying out software that otherwise would only be available from source?12:36
ajmitchxopher: if you're going to be breaking other packages (as the bmpx repository has been infamous for), then no12:37
Fujitsuxopher: As ajmitch says, if it affects other packages, you should definitely not do it.12:37
ajmitchbmpx by itself wasn't the problem12:38
ajmitchbreaking dbus for many people was12:38
xopherOk, well it doesnt effect other packages anymore. That was on dapper. Edgy is left intact12:38
xopherIt may have caused breakage because of the huge amount of external dependencies it had, which dapper doesnt have by default12:39
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xopherThis conversation dies kind of rapidly dont you think?12:43
Hobbseeseems to have, yes12:43
Hobbseexopher: i think youv'e given ajmitch nightmares now12:43
xopherDoes that mean he won't forget me and stand by me at the CCmeeting? ;) heh12:45
xopher(probably he'll just smite me)12:45
ajmitchI didn't plan to anyway, since I haven't been working with you at all12:45
xopherPoint taken12:45
ajmitchI don't support people who I haven't worked with directly, even if they've been doing plenty of good work12:46
ajmitchthough that's more for TB12:46
ajmitchwhen the quality of packaging matters more12:46
xopherYeah. Now, the person(s) who would speak for me, does it matter if they aren't conneted with ubuntu themselves?12:48
ajmitchyou could try, but the CC wants contributions to the ubuntu community12:49
xopherWell that's what Im trying to do isnt it? ;)12:50
xopherNow, I asked about irc-activity earlier, Ive been helping out people in #ubuntu-xgl quite a lot, is that a merit, or just something that's expected from everyone?12:51
Hobbseexopher: it is counted, you tend to need to have people there to vouch for your IRC activity, though12:51
xopherWell naturally12:52
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deadchipHobbsee: are you available right now?01:21
deadchipHobbsee: i believe you just talked to xopher. I'm the BMP upstream maintainer (and main developer)01:22
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Hobbseedeadchip: heya01:22
deadchipHobbsee: i'd just like to know first-hand why you believe BMPx will "break" things01:22
Hobbseeajmitch: should be too, i expect01:22
Hobbseedeadchip: did you or did you not backport DBUS?01:22
deadchipfrom all i can see, you either include the package, and then it's (that's not meant to be pushing off anything, just factually), and then you care for whether it works within Ubuntu wrt dependencies01:22
deadchipor you see that it won't work out and include it01:23
Fujitsudeadchip: The repository containing BMPx had a backport of DBUS, which exploded things.01:23
deadchipbut i can't see how you can possibly claim the app will "break" things01:23
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deadchipHobbsee: i think this does not have any point does it?01:23
deadchipHobbsee: those were inofficial packages01:23
deadchiponce you include it yourself in Ubuntu, people will be clearly using Ubuntu dbus packages01:23
Hobbseedid they break people's dist-upgrades?01:23
ajmitchdeadchip: no, it doesn't - the fact remains that you included broken packages, and we had to deal with the mess01:23
Fujitsudeadchip: The fact that they are unofficial exacerbates the point.01:24
Hobbseedeadchip: if they dont break other stuff, then they're more fine - but the fact that packages YOU are distributing ARE breaking things for your users - perhaps you need to think twice about it.01:24
deadchipHobbsee: sorry i'm not going on that topic; even if they were breaking people's dist-upgrades, then what does this have _anything_ to do with if you'd include it into the main distribution?01:24
deadchipsoryr but this looks like you're fishing for justifications01:24
Hobbseenothing at all01:24
deadchipbecause you're just "scared" about the app and that's it01:24
Hobbseei'm asking why you're including it, if it's breaking dist-upgrades for your users01:24
deadchipbtw i'm not pushing here01:24
deadchipi just want to know why you insist this will break anything01:25
Hobbseei've never even used the app.  i just know of the breakage01:25
ajmitchdeadchip: that is the stupidest thing I've heard for awhile01:25
ajmitchsaying that we're "scared" of it01:25
deadchipok then, what _is_ the reason?01:25
ajmitchthe thing we have issues with are the broken dbus & other packages that were left up there for months, after complaints about them01:25
deadchipyou're taking inofficial repositories which are not endorsed by us as a reason for possible inclusion of the package into Unbuntu in the future which would aside from itself solely depend on Ubuntu packages01:26
ajmitchI don't care one bit about bmpx itself01:26
deadchipthat sounds like pretty much nonsense for me01:26
ajmitchdeadchip: they were endorsed enough to be on your website, iirc01:26
deadchipthey were not "endorsed"01:26
deadchipthey were just listed there01:26
ajmitchie endorsed01:26
deadchiphow does that mean endorsed?01:26
StevenKdeadchip: Enabling a repository will still have apt/aptitude upgrading a package if it notices a newer version.01:26
StevenKHence the pain of dbus.01:27
deadchipgood lord01:27
ajmitchyou list it, you take responsibility01:27
deadchipallright so, let's say there were negative sideeffects because of our previous repositories01:27
deadchipand let's say we endorsed them (let's say..)01:27
ajmitchdeadchip: note that none of this discussion has to do with inclusion of bmpx in universe01:27
deadchipthen even if this both is true (which the former might be)01:27
deadchipthen wouldn't _inclusion_ of it into Ubuntu proper do anything but _alleviate_ the problematic situation ?01:27
deadchipbeacuse people wouldn't have to resort to 3rd party repositories ?01:28
deadchipnote that i'm not pushing here but..01:28
Hobbseeincluding it into universe would be a better solution, yes01:28
deadchipif you would include it, then people would not install it from other repos01:28
ajmitchdeadchip: I'll repeat again, we're *not* arguing against inclusion into ubuntu01:28
deadchipand if you don't you'll still be getting broken system reports01:28
ajmitchyou seem to have misunderstood what we're trying to say01:28
deadchipbecause people _will_ continue to install it from 3rd party repos01:28
deadchipas it's a popular app and people like it01:28
deadchipso no matter how broken the repos, the people like the app01:28
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deadchipthe best way to alleviate this is to include it proper01:29
=== StevenK hands ajmitch an 'l'
Fujitsuajmitch: I think I'd prefer a whitelist.01:29
deadchipif one of our guys stops making a repository, then someone else will01:29
Fujitsudeadchip: This is beside the point at this time.01:29
ajmitchStevenK: sorry getting late, I'm getting annoyed with people who don't read01:29
deadchipand if that guy stops, then someone else again will01:29
deadchipFujitsu: no it's not01:29
deadchipFujitsu: my bottom line is: you're complaining about broken systems because of our repository01:29
deadchipor rather you're complaining about complaints01:30
FujitsuYes, and rightly so.01:30
deadchipnow the point is01:30
deadchipFujitsu: yeah01:30
deadchipi don't even deny it01:30
deadchipif we stop making a repository01:30
deadchipthen someone else will01:30
deadchipand if he stops, then someone _else_ will _again_01:30
deadchipbecause people _like_ the app01:30
deadchip(just AAMOF)01:30
FujitsuThere's always the option of making a, you know... Not broken repository?01:30
deadchipand there will be continued broken systems01:30
deadchipand you will be getting continued reports about such systems01:30
deadchipbecause not everyone knows how to make a proper repository that fits in with the distribution01:31
deadchipthe only _sane_ way to help this out is to include it properly into Ubuntu itself01:31
StevenKOnly if they put something up that breaks.01:31
deadchipall past things aside (not that they don't matter), but this ^ is the only sane solution for the future01:31
deadchipStevenK: look you're treating me right now as you do01:31
deadchipand i'll tell you that if anyone from Ubuntu comes to mea01:31
deadchip(sorry system update running)01:31
deadchipasking us to remove our repository or "kindly endorsing us to remove it because it breaks ubuntu"01:32
deadchipthen i'll just tell you all the same thing again: the best solution is to integrate it into the distribution itself01:32
deadchipi can't and won't stop people from making repositories01:32
deadchipi can as well stop downstream people from making downstream packages01:32
deadchipor "forbid" them to do so01:32
StevenKCan they do so and not include a broken dbus?01:32
deadchipStevenK: what do you really want me to say ?01:33
deadchipyou want me to admit something01:33
FujitsuExactly what StevenK said. The issue is the repositories being broken, not the repositories themselves.01:33
deadchipbut seirously that's not what i'm here for01:33
deadchipwhat you're saying is like01:33
deadchipi don't know, there is no good example01:33
FujitsuIf you create a repository which doesn't break things, other people won't have cause to create broken ones either.01:33
deadchipthe situation itself is the best example01:33
deadchipFujitsu: _we_ didn't _create_ it01:33
deadchiphow often do i have to say it?01:33
deadchipmaybe 5 more times01:33
deadchipsomeone who uses BMP created it and we hosted it on our server01:33
FujitsuYou should have requested that the author fix it, or not hosted it.01:34
deadchipnot that anyone of the BMP developers knows a thing about Ubuntu01:34
deadchip(and hence we couldn't tell if it will break things or not)01:34
FujitsuI believe complaints were made.01:34
Hobbseeperhaps you need to discuss with that person proper procedures and responsibilities?01:34
deadchipFujitsu: fix it if we knew it's broken01:34
deadchipi believe not01:34
deadchipperhaps in here but not to us01:34
Hobbseedeadchip: right, so you didnt make these ubuntu packages - you're the upstream maintainer?01:34
deadchipallright this makes no sense01:34
ajmitchdeadchip: the person who made the repository, it was nexu, right?01:34
deadchipguys figure the rest out yourself01:35
deadchipthe discussion is EOF for me now01:35
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deadchipyou are sitting on a dead duck or whatever you call this in english01:35
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deadchipif this was included in ubuntu proper in the future there would be no problems01:36
HobbseeFujitsu: yeah, but i think we're yelling at the wrong guy here01:36
Hobbseedeadchip: how can we get it included into ubuntu?  what are the deps?01:36
deadchipi can't see how a possible future inclusion has anything to do with what the repositories did in the past01:36
deadchipHobbsee: i believe you can read configure.ac01:36
ajmitchdeadchip: "we won't fix the breakage until you include our software" isn't really the best means of working together01:36
Fujitsudeadchip: There would be good reasons for it not being included yet, I'm sure.01:36
deadchipi'm not _asking_ for inclusion even, just _by the way_01:36
deadchipi am not particularily _interested_ into inclusion either01:36
Hobbseedeadchip: basically, you're saying "we want this into ubuntu", and we're saying "your packages are causing breakage" or what?01:36
deadchipdo it, or don't, like you want01:36
deadchipall i wanted to know is why you think it will "break things" _ONCE_ it is _IN_ Ubuntu itself01:37
Fujitsudeadchip: You were saying `include it or we'll continue to break your systems,' basically.01:37
Hobbseedeadchip: it likely wont.01:37
deadchipHobbsee: what i'm saying is "i want to know why you think the app will break things once it's in Ubuntu itself"01:37
Hobbseedeadchip: in current situation, it does01:37
deadchipHobbsee: good so what is the point ?01:37
Hobbseedeadchip: i dont think it will - i dont think it will be able to01:37
deadchiphaving a bad day and ride on things past?01:37
xopherFujitsu, '(Fujitsu) There's always the option of making a, you know... Not broken repository?' The current repository is not broken. The broken repo you are talking about was for dapper. Its obsolete and inactive now.01:37
Hobbseei'm not sure.  but i think we should harrass the guy who backported dbus, and made teh ubuntu packages01:37
deadchipHobbsee: and what will you have from thata?01:38
deadchippersonal satisfaction ?01:38
FujitsuUnless inactive means no longer accessible, it's still broken.01:38
deadchipyou harass that guy and then another one makes another broken repo01:38
deadchipHobbsee: don't you see that it is pointless to bang on broken repos because this is incontrollable by you ?01:38
deadchipsomeone will make eventually another "broken repo"01:38
deadchipit is pointless01:38
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Hobbseedeadchip: that is true.   hopefully the person could be educated on why a repo is bad.01:39
deadchipif that makes you any happier, i'm glade to01:39
deadchipglad to*01:39
deadchipHobbsee: oh i see this is a mission of education01:39
deadchipnot of providing applications and an OS to users01:39
xopherFujitsu, not accessible01:39
Fujitsuxopher: Good. But it was accessible for some time, and caused a lot of breakage.01:40
deadchipFWIW i don't care if you include BMPx into Ubuntu or not because there are enough people who like the app and will be wanting to install it one way or another anyway01:40
deadchipthe _best_ thing you can do01:40
xopherWell I cant say anything about that, because I wasnt in the picture back then01:40
Hobbseeis to stick it in ubuntu01:40
deadchip(you're basically, just fwiw, denying the popularity of the app)01:40
deadchipthe best thing you can do is to stick it into ubuntu01:40
deadchipor you will get complaints all over and over again01:40
Hobbseenot at all.  however, my next question is "how do we get this into ubuntu"01:40
deadchipthis is not a "threat" or sth01:40
deadchipit's just a matter of fact because as long as you don't01:41
deadchippeople will be making 3rd party repos01:41
deadchipand you can spend your time either on going on a mission of education01:41
deadchipand tell them how to fix their broken repos01:41
ajmitchdeadchip: that's the problem with any piece of software01:41
StevenKdeadchip: At which point people will turn around and say "Put the latest SVN HEAD of BMPx into this released version of Ubuntu because I want it." ?01:41
deadchipor just simply include it yourself (like 20 other distros do)01:41
xopherHobbsee, well Im working on that as we speak, already uploaded to revu as I stated before, now its up to MOTUs to take a look at it01:41
deadchipand be sane with the situation01:41
Hobbseexopher: got a link to it?  i'm sure Fujitsu will take a look01:41
ajmitchdeadchip: we always try & encourage people to get the software in01:41
deadchipok and i thought Gentoo downstream was unreasonable01:41
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Fujitsu*attacks Hobbsee.01:42
ajmitchFujitsu: a small slip...01:42
deadchipyou've guys seriously had it01:42
deadchiphey umm01:42
deadchipanyone of you perhaps want to point out something bad about our website ?01:42
StevenKI note bmpx is in Debian, which means it will get pulled across automatically.01:42
Fujitsudeadchip: Gentoo /downstream/? Gentoo is as far upstream as it can go.01:42
deadchipmaybe my email address is wrongly spelled ?01:42
FujitsuI'm obviously tired.01:42
deadchipFujitsu: not really01:42
ajmitchdeadchip: maybe I've tried talking in the past to the person who made the repository, who ignored the complaint?01:42
deadchipFujitsu: the users are in the belief of using upstream packages01:42
deadchipaka "just building from source"01:43
deadchipwhile they have packages like anyone else just built right in front  of their eyes01:43
deadchipthat's a problem that _we_ have01:43
deadchip(in turn)01:43
ajmitchStevenK: source already is in universe01:43
deadchippeople from gentoo coming in saying "i have a problem", "did you compile it from source?", "yeah.", "how?", "using an svn ebuild"01:43
ajmitchxopher: ^^01:43
ajmitchxopher: you may be interested in http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bmpx.html01:43
deadchipajmitch: how would i know01:43
deadchipajmitch: (i mean about you talking to someone)01:44
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deadchipajmitch: fwiw nexu is not even part of the bmp developer "team" or "project" or whatever you'd call it01:44
deadchipall we did was to provide server space01:44
StevenKajmitch: i386 is probably sitting in binary NEW as we speak.01:44
Hobbseeajmitch: way cool.  deadchip so that will just sync across, and it'll be in ubuntu in a week or so01:44
deadchipand as no one of the core devs runs Ubuntu, we couldn't see there was anything wrong with the repository01:44
StevenKHobbsee: ^01:45
Hobbseedeadchip: we wont be able to include it into edgy, but it'll be in feisty, and hopefully we'll never have to have this discussion again :)01:45
HobbseeStevenK: has it already been synced?  yay01:45
deadchipHobbsee: yeah that would be (lol) good :)01:45
StevenKHobbsee: Yup.01:45
StevenKHobbsee: Keybuk was a busy boy, and in turn has just smashed the buildds. :-)01:45
deadchipi mean, in a positive sense of not needing to discuss this anymore01:46
deadchipwrt to the patch, it's already fixed in 0.34.01:46
=== Fujitsu might just remember seeing 600 or so uploads from Keybuk.
Fujitsu(where uploads == syncs)01:46
deadchipi just have to get to know how to tell them that it's fixed01:47
HobbseeStevenK: ahhh :)01:47
Hobbseedeadchip: yeah01:47
HobbseeFujitsu: holy cow.  that's a lot01:47
deadchipThierry knows but Debian doesn't01:47
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StevenKI suspect it was a neat script that he fired off.01:48
StevenKHopefully the same script will fix binary NEW. :-P01:48
FujitsuStevenK: I presume so, seems to have imported an enormous amount of yummy new stuff :)01:48
StevenKIndeed. :-)01:49
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Hobbseehey zul!02:25
zulhey Hobbsee02:25
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ajmitchhi zul02:27
StevenKajmitch: Shouldn't you be sleeping?02:29
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zulme too02:32
zuloh wait02:32
zul...i just got to work02:33
ajmitchbest time for it02:33
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fgiraldeauI would like to upload my package to REVU02:38
zuldo you have a gpg key?02:38
fgiraldeauimbrandon was not able to sync keys yesterday02:39
fgiraldeauzul : shure : https://launchpad.net/people/francis-giraldeau02:39
fgiraldeauMy source package is signed and ready to upload02:40
fgiraldeauI tested it, i corrected lintian errors, I think that it is ready02:41
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zuli think there is a launchpad team to join but i forget which one02:43
fgiraldeauI'm in this team : https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors02:44
zulok then you might have to find a revu admin then like ajmitch02:44
Hobbseehe's asleep02:44
Hobbseeor should be02:44
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ajmitchyou people should let me sleep02:45
fgiraldeauok right, thanks02:45
fgiraldeauWell, I understand this too, I could wait too :)02:46
zulajmitch: then you should have shut up  :)02:46
Hobbseeajmitch: should have descreened02:46
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fgiraldeauI must go to work, but you will see that package appears in next few hours.02:47
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fgiraldeauThanks a lor ajmitch, and please, take care of you02:47
ajmitchah, looks like imbrandon broke the updating02:48
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Hobbseethat'd be right02:49
fgiraldeauSee ya02:51
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ajmitchimbrandon: 'sudo -u revu1 revu-key update' next time02:55
Hobbseeimbrandon: and you can upload to main.  oh dear.02:55
ajmitchmust be run as the right user02:55
imbrandonajmitch: ahh ok /me ident sudo02:55
zuland you call yourself a sysadmin ;)02:55
imbrandonu dunno my passwd on tiber, its random, i use the ssh key02:55
imbrandonerr I dunno02:56
ajmitchsigh :)02:56
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zuli think its kind of funny that fedora has been crying out about binary drivers but their directory server requires java 1.4.2 in order to work properly03:13
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imbrandonthere is irony all over in linux, i guess you have to pick your evils03:15
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imbrandonzul: ^03:15
zulyeah but its still funny..03:15
imbrandonoh yea, no doubt03:15
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bddebianHeya gang03:42
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giskardhi bddebian03:43
imbrandonheya bddebian03:43
bddebianHello giskard, imbrandon03:44
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zulgah where is Hobbsee's big pointy sitck of death when you need it..04:05
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fgiraldeauDoes the keys has been sync? I'm having trouble to upload yet.04:18
ajmitchfgiraldeau: yes, it has been synced04:21
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ajmitchmake sure you upload source-only packages to revu (not to ubuntu)04:21
fgiraldeauI got this message : Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution.04:23
fgiraldeaultsp-loadbalancer (1.2.0-3) feisty; urgency=low04:23
ajmitchyou probably uploaded to upload.ubuntu.com04:23
imbrandonfgiraldeau: did you run "dput revu blah.dsc" ?04:24
fgiraldeaufqdn = upload.ubuntu.com04:24
imbrandonno, thats not revu04:24
fgiraldeauwell, I tried to upload to the REAL server!04:24
imbrandonerm exactly, and it wont let you04:25
imbrandonnot untill you become a MOTU or core-dev04:25
imbrandonyou can only upload to revu04:25
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fgiraldeauGod, that's not what I wanted... Ok, I will upload to revu.04:25
fgiraldeauThanks again04:25
fgiraldeauI did not configured dput to use revu host by default, that's why.04:28
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fgiraldeaultsp-loadbalancer package is now uploaded04:30
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psusiany motus feel like sponsoring an upload?05:22
zulwhat is it?05:24
psusiI have fixed the defrag package05:27
imbrandonwow linux has a defrag package ?05:28
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zulis it in universe or main?05:28
UbugtuMalone bug 6546 in defrag "Failed to build on amd64" [Medium,Needs info] 05:28
imbrandonpsusi: normaly you would attach a debdiff to the bug it fixes in LP and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors ( but in this case you already have our attn )05:29
psusiimbrandon: yea... it's been around for like 15 years05:29
psusiimbrandon: ok.. .debdiff is attached05:29
psusiI will subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors05:29
psusior not ;)05:29
psusiif someone here wants to take a look at the debdiff and upload05:29
imbrandonpsusi: looking it over now05:31
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imbrandonpsusi: hrm its versioned wrong and targeted at the wrong distro, i'll fix that and upload05:32
imbrandonpsusi: e.g it should have been "defrag (0.73pjm1-8ubuntu1) feisty; urgency=low"05:33
imbrandonpsusi: uploaded, also left you a note on the bug comments05:39
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psusiohh, I thought version numbers started with 005:40
psusicool, thanks05:40
imbrandondepends on the part of the version number, but the ubuntu revisions normaly start with 105:41
psusiI see05:41
imbrandon( and target the development version e.g. feisty , not unstable ) , but other than that looks sound05:41
psusidoes the target actually do anything?05:42
psusiit was unstable because it was synced from debian.... and since it seemed to build fine on edgy I didn't think I needed to change it05:42
imbrandonif you look at the pool in the archive, all ubuntu ( and debian ) debs are kept in the same pool for all versions05:42
imbrandonyes it will build , but that dosent make it correct05:42
psusiso why are the packages that are auto synced from debian left as unstable?05:43
imbrandonthus the target is needed to be set so apt knows what is what05:43
imbrandonbecause they are not rebuilt, they are imported05:43
imbrandonif i upload a targeted version for unstable to ubuntu it would be rejected becouse soyuz wqould choke on it as a unknown dist05:44
imbrandonanyhow not a huge mistake, just wanted to let you know for future ref05:44
Adri2000imbrandon: huh? synced packages are not rebuilt in an ubuntu chroot?05:45
imbrandonbrb , food is ready05:45
psusiI see05:45
imbrandonAdri2000: not in the same way as uploaded ones05:45
Adri2000yes, ok05:45
imbrandonand actualy i'm not sure if they arent just binary imported, would probably have to ask a ftp admin05:46
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imbrandonbut i know they arent handled the same and uploads choke if they are not targeted correctly , in ubuntu or debian05:47
psusihrm... if they are that might explain https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/2469205:47
UbugtuMalone bug 24692 in Ubuntu "Amd64 ubuntu build hogs memory due to badly built libs" [Medium,Needs info] 05:47
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slytherinIs this the right place to ask pbuilder questions?05:47
imbrandonslytherin: yes05:48
psusisome libs on amd64 are built badly and hog mem... let me investigate of they were imported from debian vs. being ubuntu uploads05:48
imbrandonpsusi: possibly, but i doubt it, as amd64 by nature uses much more ram for its binarys , its probably just badly ported 32bit code05:48
slytherinimbrandon: Can I share cache between apt and pbuilder? Is it ok if I change pbuilder cache directory to point to apt cache directory?05:48
imbrandoncompiled for 64bit05:48
imbrandonslytherin: now that i do not know, but i would assume so, worst case is it wont work and you have to unpoint it05:49
psusiimbrandon: no no... the libs are built wrong... they have a 1 MB alignment requirement in the headers05:49
psusiso even if the lib is only 30 kb, it still uses up a 1 meg chunk of memory05:50
slytherinimbrandon: I will try. I have one more question.05:50
imbrandonas i said a bad port05:50
psusijust some silly linker setting when they were built05:52
slytherinimbrandon: I have created a package from a svn sync and installed. Now I want to create another package whose build depends on first package. But since first package is not in repositories listing, how would pbuilder know its existence.05:52
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imbrandonit wont unless you login to the pbuilder and install it ( access via bindmount is the easy way )05:53
imbrandonpbuilder is its own chroot , it knows nothing about what you have installed localy05:54
imbrandonok REALLY food time, if you still need help when i get done eating slytherin  i'll help you more05:54
psusiyea, you either have to copy the file to the pbuilder cache, login, and install it, or set up your own repository and add it as a source for the pbuilder environment05:54
slytherinimbrandon: No problem. I am here05:54
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Adri2000I was looking at the merges to do and a package just need a sync, I will request it but I believe a motu have to check?06:34
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Adri2000the package is packagesearch, the only ubuntu change was two dependencies added, debian added them to, and the package builds fine in a feisty pbuilder06:38
Adri2000can I request the sync? :)06:38
PriceChildHey there... really easy question from a first timer06:39
PriceChildI'm building a package from someone else's source06:39
Adri2000eh, I have spoken too quickly, a B-D is missing...06:39
PriceChilddo i keep their name as the "maintainer"?06:39
PriceChildand "just" put my name in the copyright as packager?06:40
giskardput your name in the changelog, nothing else. (ihmo)06:40
Adri2000all the packages from debian have not been synced yet?06:41
PriceChildgiskard: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html suggests otherwise?06:42
PriceChildThere's already a debian changelog there with everything already in... should i add a new entry at the top of the changelog to add me as a maintainer and it as a feisty package etc.06:43
PriceChildor just modify the previous line?06:43
giskardadd a new entry06:44
imbrandonPriceChild: ok, whoa , back up here, exactly what are you doing ?06:44
PriceChildhe he :)06:44
PriceChildI'm trying to package xvidcap....06:44
imbrandoni thought you said there is a chagelog etc, this sugests its packaged already, are you then updating that package?06:45
PriceChildhere's where confusion begins :)06:45
PriceChildThere's no official debian package06:45
PriceChildon sourceforge there is a deb06:45
PriceChildand a tar.gz06:45
imbrandonthat dosent matter, are you updateing the deb?06:46
PriceChildI decided it was best to start from scratch - correct me if wrong?06:46
PriceChildI just wasn't sure whether it was the best idea to start using other debs etc.06:46
imbrandonits always best to use whats already there , if it needs fixing , fix it, then send a patch to them showing what you fix'ed BUT ok ......06:47
imbrandonhere is the deal, lets get you off on the right foot06:47
PriceChildi'm all ears :)06:47
imbrandonforget what you have already done for a moment ....... dont throw it away , it might be usefull, just bear with me06:48
imbrandonnow articulate what you wish to happen ultimately as the goal06:48
PriceChildI want to get a package of xvidcap into the repos06:48
imbrandonok good, and its NOT in debian atm correct ?06:48
PriceChildits stuck in limbo06:49
PriceChildfor about 2 years06:49
imbrandonok great, now you said there is a deb ( i assume source to that deb also)  on sf.net06:49
PriceChildhttp://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=81535 - there you go :)06:49
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imbrandonand iots a free lic , like gpl etc06:49
imbrandonwait wait , hehe i'm just getting the facts, you still have a bit of work to do06:49
PriceChildyeah GPL06:50
PriceChildhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/xvidcap/ says its gpl06:50
imbrandonok great, now next thing is do you have a pbuilder env setup?06:50
PriceChildhe he no not yet....06:50
PriceChildI'd been following the ubuntu wiki step by step with making a new package06:51
imbrandonok here is what you have to do from here in simplified steps, if you need help with a particualr step as you get to them ask, but here is an overview of "the right way"06:51
imbrandonright but the package is already made so its a bit diffrent06:51
imbrandonsoooo what you need to do now is06:51
imbrandongrab the deb src from sf.net just how they have it , test build it ( preferably with pbuilder , a howto set that up on the wiki ) then ....06:52
imbrandonif there are minor changes that need to be made make them and add a changelog entry to reflect that, if not just leave it as is06:52
imbrandonand upload to REVU ( url in the topic )06:53
imbrandonfrom there a ubuntu developer such as those in this chan will revu it and upload to the main archives06:53
PriceChildOk... but otherwise if it works, then i don't need to touch it?06:53
nixternalimbrandon: is it safe to look through m.k.c/k/ and grab a kde app or two for a merge (i.e., don't want to step on someones toes if it is already in their todo list)06:53
PriceChildgreat thanks :)06:53
imbrandonnixternal: merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html ( it has the names of who's merges they are to do, best thing is to pick one and poke the person who's it is and ask , most are more than happy to let you do some of their merges )06:55
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secretlondonCould someone help me unravel the gaphor/python ftbfs bug?06:56
imbrandonsecretlondon: i'm not a python expert but i can try to help if you have an error06:56
secretlondonit's bug #66452 - it may be fixed by syncing from debian as we seemed to have missed it06:57
UbugtuMalone bug 66452 in gaphor "Dependancy problems - not synced from Debian?" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6645206:57
secretlondonit's a horrible dependency mess06:57
PriceChildimbrandon: I'm confused as to how pbuilder works... Its installing as we speak but the wiki gives on indication of how to use it :)06:58
PriceChildah wait...06:58
ubotupbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto06:58
PriceChildyeah i'm on that page06:58
PriceChildi think i get it...06:58
PriceChildbear with me :)06:58
imbrandonPriceChild: tbh its not something you will learn in 5 minutes, read the wiki, try it a bit etc etc etc :)06:59
imbrandonif you run into problems with specifics we can help06:59
imbrandonsecretlondon: one sec06:59
PriceChildhe he thanks for helping :) much appreciated07:00
imbrandonsecretlondon: it looks like the merge never got done, its not a sync, it is a merge because there is a ubuntu delta to check07:01
imbrandonsecretlondon: i'll see if i can figure out why the merge wasent done07:01
secretlondonthe diff just looks like desktop and icon07:02
imbrandonmost likely , but when there are ubuntu changes it dosent autosync07:02
imbrandonit has to be checked by hand, and can be easily overlooked07:02
secretlondondebian's web access to changelogs seems to be broken atm07:02
secretlondonimbrandon: thanks. we're getting quite a few dupes so it'd be great to fix07:03
imbrandonsecretlondon: sure think, it looks like all changes were adpoted upstream, i'll check a little closer to be sure and file a sync req, should be done by early next week as long as everything go's smooth07:04
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imbrandonLaserJock: !!07:05
zulhey LaserJock07:05
imbrandonLaserJock: i need help !!!! , i'm not a good teacher and we have some new hopefulls arround :)07:05
secretlondonwe need some sort of ubuntu training programme07:06
LaserJockwe do07:06
imbrandonsecretlondon: well we sorta have one, just not the manpower to keep it uptodate07:06
LaserJockit's just not exactly going full speed ahead right now07:06
secretlondonimbrandon: mentors?07:06
LaserJockwe have MOTU Mentors and MOTU School07:06
imbrandonmentors and MOTU-school07:06
secretlondoneveryone needs help, but nothing will get done if all the motu mentor?07:07
LaserJockok, so who all needs some training?07:07
imbrandonPriceChild: i think is looking for some LaserJock , i pointed him in the general direction, but i'm sure he would like lots more07:08
imbrandonLaserJock: nixternal is picking up the pace with merges too this cycle ( today and yesterday )07:08
imbrandonand there was one or two others in and out today07:09
imbrandoni forget the names07:09
LaserJockwell, we have 5 decent sessions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School for people to read07:09
imbrandonand whom knows if secretlondon would like to get her feet wet lol07:09
imbrandonerr his, err umm their07:10
secretlondonimbrandon: I will do at some point - I've said so on my launchpad page07:10
secretlondonbut their is fine07:10
imbrandoni thought so , just wasent 100% lol07:10
secretlondoni think one thing will be getting people to read and practice07:11
LaserJockimbrandon: yeah.... you never know07:11
imbrandonanyhow yea, maybe her too LaserJock :), point is i think we need a nother general MOTU hoto get started session soonish, i wouldent mind helping with it but i'm not the greatest teacher07:11
imbrandonwell i think i've talked to secretlondon at one point or another and it came up, thats why it was in the back of my mind, but no matter, i dont care if he/she is purple and from mars07:12
nixternalimbrandon: i did that once to a lady when i was a teenager moons ago working at sears...i said how can i help you sir, and it was my first day (my boss and everyone had to hide because they were crying)07:12
nixternali think you are a little safer on irc ;p07:12
LaserJockwell, last time I did a MOTU session it was 2 2hr sessions07:13
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imbrandonwell i'm getting used to women being smarter than me , seele at UDS , elkbuntu, hobbsee and many more seem to be creeping in, thats a good thing IMHO :)07:13
LaserJockif I can shrink it down to 1hr then it'd be easier to teach07:13
imbrandonLaserJock: yea07:13
nixternalya, i need to concentrate on some MOTU schooling07:13
secretlondonhobbsee rocks07:13
PriceChildI am here.... just not really around imbrandon... i will check those links thanks :)07:14
nixternalimbrandon: im gonna have a knemo merge done here in a few, and tonio isn't around, so if i supply you with the debdiff, you mind looking at it?07:14
PriceChildi love hobbsee )07:14
imbrandonLaserJock: ye i think a general session on "where to start" would be good, as most are well enough off to specialize and ask questions after they get into it a bit07:14
LaserJockPriceChild, secretlondon, nixternal : you might be interested in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics07:14
nixternalim test buildin' it now07:14
zulimbrandon: dude its just not women who are smarter than you :)07:14
imbrandonzul: hahaha07:14
LaserJockzul: hahahaha07:14
nixternalobvioulsy you haven't met the sharp pointy stick of doom07:15
nixternalLaserJock: i was in that class ;)  already have the main pointers written in my notes section of my printed upg homey ;p07:15
secretlondonnixternal: I have, but it was always wielded at other people07:15
LaserJocknixternal: what a nerd ;p07:16
nixternalif you look through the log, you will see my crying about debuild -S and my gpg key being a moron07:16
PriceChildI've got to make a feisty pbuilder environment haven't i....07:16
LaserJockyes :-)07:16
PriceChildhe he07:16
imbrandonPriceChild: yes07:16
nixternalok mini-me07:16
nixternalyes PriceChild07:17
PriceChildhow do i get rid of the one i just made in a moment of stupidity with "sudo pbuilder create "07:17
imbrandonPriceChild: you can just leave it, its not a big deal to have more than one07:17
imbrandoni ahve 4 or 5 or 607:17
nixternali have the multiple setup (which if you follow the wiki page, it will more than likely hose you around a little bit, so i will edit that soon once i am ironed out myself)07:17
imbrandonfor diffrent os's07:17
PriceChildIt doesn't take too much space does it?07:17
imbrandonPriceChild: last i looked about 200mb a peice for a basic setup07:18
LaserJocka pbuilder usually runs 50-100MB packed07:18
nixternalsudo rm -rf /var/cache/pbuilder07:18
imbrandonnixternal: NOOOOOOOOO07:18
imbrandonLaserJock: unpacked07:18
nixternalprobaby not the right way07:18
LaserJockoh yeah07:18
nixternalimbrandon: nerd ;p07:18
PriceChildok removed... starting again :)07:18
imbrandonnixternal: redneck nerd to you07:18
LaserJockthe actual pbuilder environment is called base.tgz07:19
nixternalthats even scarier07:19
nixternalimbrandon: i picture deliverance merged with sneakers07:20
nixternalmy god i just wet myself in fear of that one07:20
nixternalimbrandon: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/pkg/knemo_0.4.6-1.debdiff07:22
imbrandonk lemme finish this gaphor07:22
nixternalroger that07:23
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Laser_awaymeeting time :/07:27
Laser_awayhopefully this will take less then 4 hrs07:27
BurgworkLaser_away: meeting?07:28
Laser_away2 2hr meetings back to back07:28
Laser_awayyeah, my life is a series of meetings07:29
Laser_awayand I'm only a grad student07:29
nixternalheh, im in a package right now, and i lost myself07:35
nixternali hate telephones07:35
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slytherinimbrandon: ping07:46
psusidoes anyone know of a stress tool that will randomly create and delete files to excercize a filesystem?07:47
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imbrandonslytherin: pong07:48
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enycNOTE: not sure where is the right place for this message...     packages.ubuntu.com appears te be misbehaving!   see  http://packages.ubuntu.com/prboom  then  http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/games/prboom  -- see version numbers!07:50
PriceChildHey imbrandon?07:50
PriceChildjust got back07:51
PriceChildI installed the xvidcap deb from the SF... and it works flawlessely07:51
PriceChild(i can't spell or package ;) )07:51
imbrandonheh, ok , grab the source for that deb, and build it in pbuilder07:51
imbrandonif it builds fine then upload it to revu07:52
PriceChildOk :)07:52
PriceChildone little thing07:52
PriceChildwait no doesn't matter07:52
PriceChildanswered my own question :)07:52
slytherinimbrandon: You were to help me with pbuilder07:52
imbrandonslytherin: sure what do you need ?07:52
PriceChildnow to learn how to use pbuilder! :)07:52
slytherinimbrandon: We discussed it just before you went out for food. How to install a package in pbuilder env.07:53
imbrandonahh right, ok you need to copy the deb to say your home dir then " pbuilder login --save-after-login --bindmount /home/username "07:54
imbrandonthen you can dpkg -i the deb as normal, exit the pbuilder07:54
imbrandonand it will be installed in your pbuilder then07:54
slytherinimbrandon: let me try07:55
PriceChildimbrandon: am i meant to be changing the changelog at all? Or should i skip this section?07:56
PriceChildand control...? its already got the debian folder etc.07:57
imbrandonPriceChild: no grab the source for the deb first, e.g. the *.dsc *.diff.gz *.orig.tar.gz and build it with no changes07:57
imbrandonlike pbuilder build *.dsc07:57
PriceChildah ok yeah...07:58
PriceChildproblem being sourceforge only has tar.gz07:58
imbrandonmake sure it builds, you only need to change the chagelog if you change something07:58
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imbrandonPriceChild: then you will need to email the author and get the packaging dir07:58
PriceChildhe he ok :)07:58
PriceChildhe seems to be quite active (latest version yday) so should get back to me soon hopefully :)07:59
imbrandonsure, you have a few months untill the first freeze , so no rushes07:59
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PriceChildhe he08:00
PriceChildquicker the better08:00
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imbrandonheya fowlduck08:01
imbrandonbrb afk08:01
psusiis there a way to randomize a file instead of sort it into order?08:06
psusilike do the reverse of sort08:07
minghuapsusi: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/shuffle/08:16
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CarlFKif someone needs a 64 bit version of libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 - can they just apt-get source and dpkg-buildpackage to make a 64 bit deb?08:18
minghuapsusi: also see bogosort and random-lines package08:18
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obenbohnehi Seveas!08:39
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nixternalimbrandon: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/pkg/kdiff3_0.9.90-4.debdiff09:04
psusiheh, thanks minghua but I already managed to come up with a little shell snippit to do it for me ;)09:10
psusigod I love bash09:10
jekilhi, i am searching a MOTU mentor for security tools packages09:10
psusils to a temp file, wc to coun the lines, and $RANDOM to pick a random line number, tail and head to extract that line and I've got a random file09:10
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Adri2000I'm taking a package from debian to replace the package which was created for ubuntu, what should I do with the changelogs?09:16
enyc*** somebody please tell me where is the right place to query/speak/emial/post-bug/complain/whatever  about the discrepancies I am seeing on the  http://packages.ubuntu.com/ site at this time ;-)09:18
LaserJockAdmiral_Chicago: can it be synced?09:18
LaserJockenyc: how out of sync is it?09:18
Admiral_Chicagocan what be synced?09:18
Admiral_Chicagoi could give it a shot09:19
LaserJockAdmiral_Chicago: sorry dude, I was meaning Adri200009:19
Admiral_ChicagoLaserJock: it's cool09:19
pygivil: hello09:19
enycLaserJock: not sure.. but here is a definite discrepancy:-09:19
LaserJockenyc: there often is on packages.ubuntu.com09:19
LaserJockespecially with the dev release09:20
Adri2000LaserJock: there are some modifications to do to make it work correctly with ubuntu09:20
enycLaserJock: first see  http://packages.ubuntu.com/prboom  -- notice fiesty 2.4.6-whatnot...  then see  http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/games/prboom  ...  what is going on?09:20
enycLaserJock: i appreciate fiesty universe (not multiverse necessarially) was only synced recently09:20
LaserJockenyc: what I'm saying is that packages.ubuntu.com is separate from the actual archives09:21
LaserJockenyc: if you really want to know use Launchpad09:21
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enycLaserJock: hrrm but BOTH the urls I ma looking at are  packages.ubuntu.com09:21
LaserJockenyc: sure09:22
enycLaserJock: there is an inconsistency between 2 ursls on  http://packages.ubuntu.com/  ... im confused still09:22
LaserJockenyc: I realize that09:22
enycLaserJock: how does this work then?  what technically is going on  for both the URLs I gave?   what databases are involved?09:22
LaserJockenyc: what I'm saying is don't rely on packages.ubuntu.com for up-to-date package ingo09:22
plugwashenyc what descrepencies?09:22
LaserJockenyc: that is not run by canonical or the Ubuntu development community09:23
enycplugwash:  first see  http://packages.ubuntu.com/prboom  -- notice fiesty 2.4.6-whatnot...  then see  http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/games/prboom  ... discrepanncy09:23
LaserJockenyc: there is a link at the bottom of the page to report problems09:23
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LaserJockenyc: this has nothing to do with us09:23
enycLaserJock: I see I see...  launchpad has ubuntu maintenance09:23
enycLaserJock: ok.. hence why I was asking where is the right place to ask/query/report bug  about this ;-)09:24
LaserJockenyc: and the answer is no, but also what I'm trying to say is that packages.u.c is not the best place to be looking for package info on the dev release09:25
enycLaserJock: I see I see09:25
Adri2000LaserJock: the package is debian is still at its first version (initial version), so maybe I could merge the two changelogs, and in the ubuntu1, I could mention "now using the debian package", what do you think?09:26
Adri2000s/is debian/in debian/09:26
LaserJockAdri2000: if you merge the Debian version keep the Debian changelog09:27
LaserJockand add on a new entry describing the changes you made09:27
Adri2000yes yes, the changelog will be: ... -0ubuntu1, -1, -1ubuntu109:28
geserAdri2000: afaik you don't need to keep the ubuntu changelog entries if doing a sync with debian (keep them only when doing a merge)09:28
LaserJockAdri2000: <debian version>-ubuntu109:29
LaserJockgeser: he's doing a merge09:29
Adri2000hmm, I won't merge the sources09:30
LaserJockAdri2000: how big are the differences?09:30
LaserJockit's generally a best practice to start from the Debian source package09:31
Adri2000that's what I want to do09:31
Adri2000differences: https://patches.ubuntu.com/b/briquolo/briquolo_0.5.5-0ubuntu1.patch09:31
LaserJockhmm, I don't see anything spectacular09:33
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LaserJockI think you might be able to just sync that09:34
Adri2000the .desktop file doesn't work in ubuntu09:34
LaserJockit works in Debian?09:34
psusiwow.... 46% noncontiguous filesystem....09:35
LaserJockAdri2000: is the .desktop file in the packaging?09:35
Adri2000yes and it is installed in /usr/share/games/applications/09:36
LaserJockoh yes, I remember something about that09:37
Adri2000and it doesn't appear in the menu because the right place is /usr/share/applications/09:37
LaserJockok, so grab the Debian source and fix the install path :-)09:37
Adri2000and what about the changelog? :p09:37
LaserJockuse the debian changelog09:37
LaserJockand add your's to the top09:37
Sp4rKyhi there09:38
Adri2000and so no trace of the old ubuntu package in the changelog? :/09:38
Adri2000it will look like the package is in ubuntu since feisty but it's wrong09:39
LaserJockjust put something like "replacing old Ubuntu package"09:39
LaserJockjust so people know what's going on09:39
Adri2000right :)09:40
Adri2000Sp4rKy: hi :)09:40
LaserJockI guess it could go both ways :/09:40
psusihrm... how can you background one task of a pipeline but still have it die with the rest of the pipeline when you ctrl-c?09:41
Sp4rKyo/ Adri2000 :)09:41
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psusiI tried grouping it with () bug that leaves the background task running and doesn't even list it in jobs09:42
rmjbhello, someone reviewed my package on REVU: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3446 and advised I split out the libraries... I can't remember seeing that mentioned in the packaging guide, is there another guide that shows how this can be done?09:44
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LaserJockrmjb: not particularly09:46
LaserJockrmjb: are you using debhelper?09:46
rmjbcdbs for that one09:47
psusitake a look at another package that splits into multiple binary targets for an example09:47
psusilike e2fsprogs09:47
LaserJockrmjb: basically it involves adding more binary sections to debian/control09:47
psusiit splits into like 3 applications packages, a lib package, a udeb09:47
LaserJockand some modifications to say which files should go with which binary package09:48
psusiLaserJock: and modifying the rules makefile to only copy the correct files into the correct binary target09:48
rmjbcool, I'll take a look...09:48
rmjbgenerally anything that goes into /usr/lib or the like goes into a lib package?09:49
Admiral_Chicagodholbach: can i talk to you for a sec about accessbility09:49
rmjbbecause the comment on revu only mentioned specific libraries where there's much more09:49
dholbachAdmiral_Chicago: I'm currently in a meeting09:49
psusirmjb: yea... that way other packages that use those libraries can depend on the library package, rather than the entire thing ( libs and apps )09:49
Admiral_Chicagois there a channel i can meet you in later? motu work?09:50
dholbachAdmiral_Chicago: can I propose you talk to heno or themuso or write to ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com ?09:50
dholbachAdmiral_Chicago: or drop me a mail?09:50
Admiral_Chicagoi'll email the list09:50
dholbachthanks a lot09:50
rmjbpsusi: thanks09:50
rmjbwhile I have some attention, can a motu take a look at my other package on REVU? and leave comments or advocate? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=344909:51
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Adri2000config.{sub,guess} in .diff.gz in a package from debian :/10:07
Adri2000contributors missing in debian/copyright and AUTHORS not in debian/docs10:09
Adri2000in the same package :-/10:09
enycLaser_away: thankyou for comments earlier... email sent r.e. packages.ubuntu.com which I now know is not hosted by canonical / ubuntu-community etc.10:09
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TheMusoAdmiral_Chicago: Hey there. What are you interested in accessibility wise?10:18
Admiral_ChicagoTheMuso: i want to be able to use the keyboard completly10:18
Admiral_Chicagosay i was to unplug the mouse, I want tho OS to be fully fuctional still10:19
TheMusoAdmiral_Chicago: Ok, come into #ubuntu-accessibility and we can discuss it further.10:19
Burgworkmorning ajmitch10:22
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Hobbseemorning all10:37
obenbohnehi Seveas10:40
giskardhi Hobbsee  ajmitch10:43
giskardwhere i can find a compelete list of REVU packages?10:44
Hobbseeer...on REVU?10:44
giskardHobbsee, yes, i need a link10:44
ubotuREVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU10:44
ajmitchtoo slow10:44
giskardim too lazy fo find it by myself ;)10:44
Hobbseeseems so10:44
giskardajmitch, :*10:44
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PriceChildHey Hobbsee10:45
PriceChildimbrandon: hello?10:45
Hobbseehey PriceChild!10:46
PriceChildI'm getting somewhere...10:46
PriceChildimbrandon's been patient in helping me earlier :)10:46
Hobbseeyay :)10:46
bhaleyay Hobbsee10:46
PriceChildthe standard deb for xvidcap installs fine10:46
giskardhello bhale10:46
PriceChildso imbrandon got me to get those 3 files we need to submit for revu...10:46
Hobbseehey bhale!10:46
HobbseePriceChild: :)10:46
PriceChildtar.gz dsc and the other one10:46
PriceChildThey weren't availiable on SF so i PMd the author for help10:47
Hobbseeno, they arent.  you create them10:47
PriceChildhe he.. imbrandon didn't tell me that one ;)10:48
PriceChildthe author gave me instructions on how to get it from the original source so I'm going to try that now :)10:48
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PriceChildHobbsee: I've unpacked the tar.gz and made a copy which I've removed the "debian" folder from10:51
HobbseePriceChild: yep10:51
PriceChildnot sure how to use diff on this though...10:51
Hobbseeugh, upstream is giving a debian dir?10:51
PriceChilddiff xvidcap-1.1.4p1/ xvidcap-1.1.4p1.orig/10:51
PriceChilddidn't do much10:52
Hobbseenah, that'd just give you debian/10:52
Hobbseewell, should10:52
PriceChildOnly in xvidcap-1.1.4p1.orig/: debian10:52
PriceChildthen a few "Common subdirectories: "10:52
ubotuThe packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources10:52
PriceChildI'll pastebin what the author sent me10:53
HobbseePriceChild: ask him to remove it, anyway10:53
PriceChildremove what?10:54
Hobbseethe debian/ dir10:55
Hobbseethen you dont have to repackage it10:55
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PriceChildok yeah that's what he said10:56
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PriceChildthen to do a diff between it and the other to gain a diff.gz10:56
PriceChildso should i remove the debian, then tar it back up... then do a diff between the two tars?10:57
PriceChild(the one without the "debian" being *.orig.tar.gz)10:57
bhaledpkg-buildpackage does all of this10:58
bhalehave you read one of the packaging guides10:58
PriceChildI have, but not one that applies to this (that i can see)10:58
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HobbseePriceChild: nope.11:00
HobbseePriceChild: ugh, that's annoying11:00
PriceChildbaptism of fire :)11:01
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HobbseePriceChild: you've got the untarred .tar.gz, right?11:01
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HobbseePriceChild: right, retar that, without the debian/ dir in it, and call it packagename_upstreamversionnumber.orig.tar.gz11:01
PriceChildOk yeah11:01
Hobbseewhere retar is making it a .tar.gz, not just a .tar11:01
PriceChildI just made a copy, renamed it then openned it in archive manager and removed the debian folder in there... less hastle... hope that's sufficient?11:03
Hobbseeyeah, that works11:03
PriceChildgd gd11:03
PriceChildnow diff?11:03
Hobbseethe md5sum on it will be different anyway.  *glares at the maintainer*11:03
PriceChildha ha11:03
Hobbseenow you can use the debian/ dir that was provided, and follow http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html11:04
HobbseePriceChild: basically, you want to split packaging and source11:04
PriceChildand just not worry about md5sums11:04
PriceChildHobbsee you just confused me compeltely there :)11:04
HobbseePriceChild: packaging == debian dir, source == the rest, the stuff you download off the website11:05
HobbseePriceChild: else you could just be adding random bits into the source, instead of just into the packaging, and i could never verify that what i downloaded off a website was the same as your package, minus debian/11:05
Hobbseeif that makes any sense11:06
PriceChildthat last bit makes sense11:06
PriceChildI'm sorry if i'm being really really dense... but cannot understand which bits of the guide apply to what you just tole me11:06
Hobbseeit's fine11:06
Hobbseeoh yeah, right11:06
HobbseePriceChild: you want the stuff under http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-chap.html11:07
Hobbseei'd probably do it with debhelper11:08
PriceChildthanks :)11:08
Hobbseenot a problem11:09
PriceChildok... i do dh_make inside the original tar?11:09
PriceChildor the "orig" one that i removed debian from?11:09
HobbseePriceChild: the latter.  you shouldnt actually have to, depending on how good the current debian dir is.11:10
Hobbseewhere's the link to it?11:10
PriceChildhe he ok :)11:10
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Hobbseeit appears that sourceforge has broken11:15
PriceChilddoes that work?11:15
PriceChildthat download link still work11:16
PriceChilduse it while its there! :)11:16
Hobbseeoh, so it does11:16
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Hobbseehmmm.  looks reasonable11:18
Hobbseefew things need fixing on it11:18
giskardsiretart, ajmitch http://revu.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi11:18
PriceChildlike the "unstable" > "feisty" and things?11:18
HobbseePriceChild: run dch -i inside the source directory, and do that bit11:19
Hobbseeyeah, you need another changelog entry11:19
Hobbseechange the debhelper dep to version >511:19
Hobbseecompat to 5, not 411:19
PriceChildso you want me to dch -i on a clean source?11:19
PriceChildincluding debian?11:19
Hobbseeyou've got it untarred, right?11:19
PriceChildbut shall i untar it again and keep the debian folder?11:20
Hobbseethen you want to add the debian dir, and fix the debian dir, so it'll pass quality control11:20
PriceChildthe original author's debian?11:20
Hobbseeer...i guess you could.11:20
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Hobbseebhale: help :P11:20
PriceChildhe he11:20
Hobbseeyou want to keep it, and use it, but you *dont* want it in the orig.tar.gz11:20
Hobbseeand that's a *really* weird way to do the patching11:21
plugwashHobbsee why don't you wan't it in the orig.tar.gz?11:21
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Hobbseeplugwash: because it involves changing the original tarball, as you have to make changes to upload it.  see http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-mistakes.html for why *that's* bad11:22
PriceChildOk so i need to change "unstable" to "feisty" ?11:22
LaserJockHobbsee: having fun? :-)11:23
HobbseePriceChild: the -i part of dch will increment it to give you a new changelog entry.  yes you do11:23
HobbseeLaserJock: heh.  it's better than me having to do it myself :P11:23
PriceChildwhat shall i put as the summary?11:23
PriceChildnext to the *11:23
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Hobbsee(this isnt in debian already, is it?)11:24
PriceChild"Patched for Ubuntu"?11:24
PriceChildNope :)11:24
PriceChilddon't worry11:24
Hobbseeoh good11:24
PriceChildsomeone tried to get it in 2 years ago and it got stuck in limbo11:24
HobbseePackaged for Ubuntu11:24
PriceChildthey won't touch it11:24
Hobbseemarilliat stuff, yeah11:24
PriceChildcuz ffmpeg is inside it11:24
Hobbsee(the guy who did the debian/ folder)11:24
Hobbseehrm.  that might be fun.  but we'll get to that11:25
PriceChildeep:           warning: your current directory has been renamed to:11:25
PriceChildthat's not good is it?11:25
PriceChildthis is p111:25
Hobbseethat's fine11:25
Hobbseethe version should be11:25
Hobbsee1.14p1-0ubuntu1 though11:26
Hobbsee(versioning is later in that guide)11:26
PriceChildhe he yeah11:26
Hobbseethis is weird11:26
Hobbsee!info kvpnc edgy11:26
ubotukvpnc: vpn clients frontend for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version (edgy), package size 1374 kB, installed size 3924 kB11:26
Hobbseei dont get it...11:27
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HobbseeFOUND IT!11:27
Hobbseefound the source of the weirdness.11:27
Hobbseejust something that i was working on11:28
PriceChildhe he ok :)11:28
PriceChildso where do i rejoin the guide?11:28
LaserJockPriceChild: don't worry, she just likes talking to herself11:29
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PriceChild@lart LaserJock & Hobbsee11:29
ubuntu-esPriceChild: Error: "lart" is not a valid command.11:29
crimsunpay no attention to LaserJock. Those shifty deities of MOTU cannot be trusted.11:29
PriceChildargh :(11:29
LaserJockcrimsun: shifty am i?11:30
PriceChildgo away ubuntu-es... i want Ubugtu :P11:30
HobbseeLaserJock: do you know how the autosyncer works?  does it go on distro, or on version number?11:30
Hobbseeyes, why is ubuntu-es11:30
Hobbseein here...11:30
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Hobbseeno more Ubugtu11:30
PriceChild:O you banned Ubugtu :'(11:30
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Hobbseenah...just quieted..11:30
PriceChildhe he11:30
PriceChildanyway not sure where to rejoin this guide11:31
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LaserJockHobbsee: well, technically it's not auto exactly11:31
HobbseeLaserJock: true.11:31
HobbseePriceChild: um, not sure11:31
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LaserJockHobbsee: but I guess it says, is there an older version in Feisty than in Sid and there is no ubuntuX11:32
PriceChildbecause there should be all the /debian files in there already... shouldn't have to change those should i?11:32
HobbseePriceChild: you'll have to change some of them, as they're out of date11:32
PriceChildhmm ok11:32
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Hobbseehey dholbach!11:32
chillywillyhi ajmitchie11:32
dholbachhey guys11:33
Hobbseedget is cool11:34
HobbseeLaserJock: ah right, that's a point11:34
LaserJockI want to mix dget and madison-lite together11:35
LaserJockso I can do something like dgrab sid plotdrop11:36
PriceChildHobbsee... do i have to add the debhelper to the build depends and things?11:36
HobbseePriceChild: it should already be there11:36
HobbseeLaserJock: that'd be nice.  it'd also be nice if madison/madison-lite recognised feisty as a distro11:36
PriceChildso it is11:37
PriceChildso i need to change "Source: xvidcap" to "Source: xvidcap-debhelper"11:38
PriceChildchange "Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 3.3.4), libgtk2.0-dev," to Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4), libgtk2.0-dev,11:39
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PriceChildis that right Hobbsee/11:40
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HobbseePriceChild: >5, but yeah11:40
PriceChildalmost :)11:40
PriceChild">5" or ">=5"?11:40
PriceChild(with a space)11:41
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Hobbseethe latter, sorry11:42
fernandohi all11:42
PriceChildhe he... :)11:42
PriceChildHobbsee even though I haven't made a debhelper tar.gz I should still be following this part of the guide?11:44
Hobbseeoh dear, i'm an idiot..11:44
PriceChildits referring me to my other tar.gz, saying this "copyright" file will be different etc.11:44
PriceChildYou're not... I'm just being extremely difficult :)11:45
Hobbseethe other one shouldnt have a copyright file?  i'm lost11:46
PriceChildhe he11:47
PriceChildOk i've got 2 tars11:47
PriceChildoriginal d/l11:47
PriceChildand .orig.tar.gz which is missing its debian directory11:47
PriceChildI'm inside the folder which the original download (inc debian) was extracted to11:48
PriceChildi ran the command to update the changelog11:48
PriceChildI've just changed control also11:48
PriceChildwait no....11:49
PriceChildi'm inside the folder without debian11:49
PriceChildand i ran dch -i11:50
PriceChildwhich can't be right...11:50
PriceChildok it is...11:51
PriceChildit had debian in before11:51
PriceChildbecause its still got the original copyright etc.11:51
PriceChildok so now all i've got to do is look at rules11:52
PriceChildwait a min...11:58
PriceChildwhen i ran dch -i11:58
PriceChildi didn't change the versioning to -0ubuntu111:59
PriceChildshould i change that in control and rename the folder?11:59
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Hobbseethe folder will auto rename.  yes, you should change it12:01
Hobbseeit'll reject if you dont12:01
conallanyone here able to look at REVU for me please?12:01
pygiconall: sure, what ya need?12:01
PriceChild(it did change it to -p2... which it isn't... changing it to -p1-0ubuntu1)12:01
HobbseePriceChild: correct.  it's a debian thing12:02
Hobbseeie, that it's changing to -p212:02
conallpygi: I keep getting an error when I try to dput my .changes file12:02
conallUploading to revu (via ftp to revu.tauware.de):12:02
conall  queuegraph_1.1.1-3.dsc:12:02
conallError '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of queuegraph_1.1.1-3.dsc12:02
pygiconall: have you already uploaded it once?12:02
conallI did, but it never appeared on the web frontend12:02
pygiconall: you joined the right LP team, and made admin re-sync keyrings?12:03
conallI'm on the LP team and I think my key is synced.12:04
pygiconall: first, you should wait some time before it appears. second, what's your package name?12:04
conallI joined the LP team in Sept, 2 months should be enough time :)12:05
conallpackage is called queuegraph12:05
PriceChildHobbsee: dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - xvidcap-debhelper and xvidcap12:05
PriceChildwhere else should the name be changed to xvidcap-debhelper other than control?12:06
LaserJockconall: btw, that's not a correct version number for Ubuntu12:06
pygiconall: hm, no package really.12:06
conallscanning the wiki docs don't say I have to rename my debian package if it simply works on both Debian and Ubuntu12:06
conall*rename my package revision12:07
Burgworkconall: if your package is in debian, request a sync12:07
Burgworkif you want to make local ubuntu changes, upload a -XubuntuY version to Ubuntu12:07
HobbseePriceChild: sorry?  where's xvidcap-debhelper come into it?12:07
PriceChildwhen i asked if i had to change xvidcap to xvidcap-debhelper as the wiki example suggested you said i should...12:08
conallYeah, a sync is probably easier. Probably best to wait until my current package version moved from Debian's incoming to sid first though12:08
PriceChildguessing i shouldn't have?12:08
LaserJockconall: yeah, for sure. If it's in or going to be in Debian it's much easier to sync12:09
PriceChildHobbsee: ok switched it back to xvidcap12:09
PriceChildran a "debuild -S"12:10
PriceChildworked much better....12:10
PriceChildbut still not right12:10
Hobbseewhy so, not right?12:10

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