[12:13] <fgiraldeau> Ok, I did tests on feisty for my package and I'm ready to upload
[12:14] <fgiraldeau> I got this error : Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution.
[12:14] <imbrandon> fgiraldeau: is a new package not in ubuntu or a patch for an existing one ?
[12:14] <imbrandon> fgiraldeau: that means you dont have upload rights
[12:14] <fgiraldeau> This is a new package
[12:14] <imbrandon> ok and your uploading to REVU ?
[12:15] <fgiraldeau> Yes. Is it correct?
[12:15] <imbrandon> yes
[12:15] <imbrandon> have you added your self to the lp team?
[12:15] <imbrandon> and has a admin synced the keyring ?
[12:16] <fgiraldeau> I'm in this team : ubuntu-universe-contributors
[12:16] <imbrandon> yes, one sec lemme sync the keyring
[12:19] <imbrandon> gah i cant do it atm, ajmitch are you still arround ?
[12:21] <fgiraldeau> imbrandon : Thanks for all your time
[12:21] <imbrandon> fgiraldeau: no problem, sorry i cant login to tiber atm, ajmitch  or other revu admin will have to sync the keyring
[12:21] <fgiraldeau> I promess to Gideon to upload this package today :)
[12:21] <imbrandon> when they become non-afk
[12:22] <fgiraldeau> Right, no problem
[12:23] <imbrandon> ok back in about an hour
[12:24] <fgiraldeau> I will be back too in one hour
[12:36] <doko> dholbach, vil: any progress towards becoming a MOTU?
[12:37] <vil> doko: did not progress much till last time
[12:37] <dholbach> doko: I didn't work closely enough with vil to say something about it
[12:37] <dholbach> vil: hey... how are you?
[12:37] <vil> dholbach: fine, thx
[12:38] <dholbach> vil: what would you like to work on?
[12:39] <vil> dholbach: I am particulary interested in eclipse and java
[12:39] <dholbach> woah nice
[12:39] <vil> dholbach: also python is my favorite, but do not have much experience with that
[12:39] <dholbach> vil: did you find anything to work on already?
[12:40] <pygi> vil: you can be tutored on that ^_^
[12:40] <vil> dholbach: doko helped me to publish eclipse-pydev so far
[12:40] <dholbach> cool
[12:40] <pygi> vil: whatever you need, feel free to ask ^_^
[12:40] <vil> pygi: seeing your nick you seem to like python
[12:40] <pygi> lol ^_^
[12:41] <doko> dholbach: plus he helped with updating patches for eclipse-3.2 and packaging build dependencies
[12:41] <dholbach> vil: as pygi said, if you need anything - just shout
[12:41] <vil> doko: yes, that's me
[12:41] <dholbach> vil: good work
[12:42] <pygi> vil: I can instruct you about dark magic of how burning works on low levels ^_^
[12:42] <vil> dholbach: so what can I do to become one of the masters?
[12:42] <pygi> dholbach: btw. if you need me to package anything this weekend, you shout ^_^
[12:43] <pygi> vil: just contribute, get your gpg key signed, and appear in front of council ^_^
[12:43] <vil> pygi: I am not quite sure if should ask about burning. does it hurt? :)
[12:43] <pygi> vil: always :P If I have to translate: cd recording ^_^
[12:44] <vil> pygi: for gpg - task completed
[12:44] <pygi> vil: nice ^_^
[12:44] <dholbach> pygi: why do you use "^_^" after every sentence?
[12:45] <vil> you should be able to find my key signed by kabi@debian.org
[12:45] <pygi> dholbach: dunno, will stop :P
[12:45] <pygi> dholbach: sorry
[12:45] <dholbach> I didn't ask you to stop i t - I just wondered ;-)
[12:45] <vil> dholbach: now he will use :P lol
[12:45] <pygi> dholbach: dunno, just happy :P Won't be after today again, but oh well :)
[12:45] <pygi> vil: ergh :)
[12:45] <dholbach> :-)
[12:46] <pygi> dholbach: o, btw. (/me bugs again) libburn is now up to par with cdrecord cd-recording tasks ^_^
[12:46] <vil> dholbach: what about second task - contributing
[12:46] <pygi> in theory ^_^
[12:46] <pygi> vil: well, write patches/package them, work on new packages, etc, etc
[12:46] <dholbach> pygi: nice
[12:47] <pygi> ups, I did it again, that smiley :P
[12:47] <dholbach> vil: doko just told me what you worked on up until now - to me it sounds like you should go for MOTU soon :-)
[12:47] <vil> pygi: ok, I mean when am I ready to stand in front of the council?
[12:47] <pygi> vil: as dh said ... soon :)
[12:47] <dholbach> vil: with what doko told me, I think you are
[12:48] <pygi> dholbach: /me will never be motu, damn keys, and my exams for stopping me come to UDS :)
[12:48] <pygi> but me just stops and goes away not to bug people working ...
[12:49] <vil> pygi: you're welcome :)
[12:49] <pygi> vil: hehe :)
[12:49] <vil> pygi: for me it was perfect invitation
[12:49] <pygi> vil: I'm welcome for what, heh? :P
[12:50] <dholbach> vil: did you read  http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newdev ?
[12:51] <vil> dholbach: I guess yes, but reading it again does not hurt
[12:51] <dholbach> vil: are you an ubuntumember already?
[12:53] <vil> dholbach: I have signed the manifest but did not ask any council, yet
[12:53] <dholbach> vil: then you should do that first and ask doko to be at the next CC meeting too, so he can do the cheerleading for you :-)    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto
[12:54] <pygi> vil: oh, you have to become member first prior to motu
[12:57] <vil> doko: well, will you be my cheeleader on the next CC?
[12:57] <pygi> dholbach: didn't we had those exceptions where you could apply for both in one run?
[12:57] <vil> doko: it seems that it does not have a date, yet.
[12:57] <doko> vil, dholbach: I won't have email access next week, so maybe somebody else can do that
[12:58] <dholbach> pygi: probably, yes - the documents are quite confusing
[12:58] <dholbach> pygi: we're changing the process currently
[12:59] <vil> pygi, I am not in a rush, but if we can make it short, I would not argue ;)
[12:59] <dholbach> but until then we stick to the old process
[12:59] <pygi> dholbach: does one involve being able to upload with keys signed by DD's or UD's? :P
[12:59] <dholbach> hm?
[12:59] <ajmitch> you really really should have that signature
[01:00] <pygi> ajmitch: I know, but no one to sign :-/
[01:00] <pygi> dholbach: without*
[01:01] <vil> how often does the CC meet?
[01:02] <vil> dholbach: and is it possible to make it in one round like pygi suggested?
[01:02] <LaserJock> vil: generally every 2 weeks I believe
[01:02] <dholbach> vil: then you should try to make the next ubuntu-dev meeting
[01:02] <dholbach> aeh
[01:02] <dholbach> TB meeting
[01:02] <dholbach> and join the ubuntu-dev team
[01:07] <vil> dholbach: was not able to find the next CC meeting
[01:07] <dholbach> then it has not been announced yet
[01:07] <vil> dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda just mentions the last one a moth ago
[01:08] <dholbach> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[01:08] <dholbach> so it's not been announced yet
[01:08] <ajmitch> hopefully there's another one soon
[01:08] <ajmitch> I wonder when CC nominations happen
[01:08] <bhale> dholbach: nice to see you on our schedule!
[01:09] <bhale> still awake
[01:09] <ajmitch> hello bhale
[01:09] <pygi> vil: good luck on a meeting
[01:09] <dholbach> bhale: on your schedule? :)
[01:09] <bhale> dholbach: yes.
[01:10] <vil> pygi: thx
[01:10] <pygi> vil: and please do shout if there is anything you need, we'll be more then glad to help
[01:11] <pygi> and one more thing you'll learn is that I often very annoy people
[01:11] <vil> dholbach: thx for introduction to the processes, I have to read all that stuff
[01:11] <vil> pygi: lol
[01:11] <dholbach> vil: just add yourself to the ubuntu-dev team and be sure to be at the next TB meeting (once a date is set)
[01:11] <dholbach> vil: if you need anything else, let me know
[01:12] <vil> dholbach: first I have to be a member, right?
[01:13] <pygi> vil: you said you'll try both so shhh :)
[01:13] <dholbach> vil: you should attend the meeting whichever comes first :-)
[01:15] <vil> I am somewhat slow, but now I get it
[01:43] <minghua> ajmitch: remember the bug about GCC_4.2.0 symbol discussed here a few days ago?
[01:43] <ajmitch> yes
[01:43] <minghua> I found Debian bug #386121 about exactly this issue
[01:43] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 386121 in libstdc++6 "libstdc++6: Incompatibility with older libgcc_s.so.1" [Important,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/386121
[01:43] <ajmitch> linked the launchpad bug to that?
[01:43] <minghua> just in case you are interested :-)
[01:44] <ajmitch> not particularly, it didn't affect me
[01:44] <minghua> ajmitch: now which LP bug was that?  :-P
[01:44] <ajmitch> doko may be interested though :)
[01:45] <doko> ajmitch: not a bug
[01:45] <ajmitch> bug 71559
[01:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71559 in Ubuntu "libgcc_s.so.1 prob? libstdc++.so.1 and libgcj.so.70 complain about GCC_4.2.0 no being found" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71559
[01:45] <ajmitch> doko: good to know
[01:45] <minghua> it shouldn't affect anybody who don't use broken third-party software (by broken means it provides its own libgcc_s.so.1)
[01:46] <minghua> yeah, doko said it's not a bug in the Debian bug, so no point to bother him with the ubuntu bug, I suppose
[01:46] <ajmitch> he's already been bothered now :)
[01:56] <LaserJock> minghua: you don't need readline support for that gnuplot history thing?
[01:57] <minghua> LaserJock: I don't know, note I said "may" :-)
[01:57] <minghua> LaserJock: the upstream web page is rather unclear either
[01:57] <minghua> I suppose I need to try a real configure to find out
[01:58] <minghua> LaserJock: I can't imagine Fedora violating GPL though, as --with-readline=gnu has been available for years
[01:59] <LaserJock> well, every distro I've know except Debian has had readline support in gnuplot
[01:59] <minghua> oh.
[02:00] <LaserJock> I don't really get it but apparently Debian doesn't like it
[02:00] <ajmitch> if readline is GPL, and gnuplot isn't, you won't be compiling readline support in
[02:00] <minghua> LaserJock: it's really crystal-clear case:  your license is not compatible with GPL, you can't link to GPL library.  period.
[02:01] <LaserJock> right, but ever distro I've used other then Debian/Ubuntu has had it
[02:02] <azeem> there's a BSD-licensed libedit I believe, which might be binary-compatible to libreadline
[02:03] <minghua> azeem: thanks, I'll look into that
[02:04] <minghua> the description of libedit2 says "it slightly resembles GNU readline" though
[02:04] <LaserJock> but yeah, that was my first intro to debian packaging
[02:04] <azeem> minghua: maybe gnuplot can use it, dunno
[02:10] <nixternal> imbrandon: how long does kvirc build for?  jeesh
[02:11] <nixternal> i started the build and left for dinner, came back and it is still building
[02:12] <zul> thats nothing
[02:17] <minghua> try leave for sleep next time? :-P
[02:18] <nixternal> ya, but we are talking an IRC client
[02:18] <minghua> nixternal: I remember imbradon mentioning kvirc took surprisingly long time to build as well
[02:19] <nixternal> i think he did as well
[02:19] <nixternal> wow..it has been going for probably 45min now
[02:20] <nixternal> this isn't the strongest computer, but it isn't the weakest either
[02:30] <nixternal> how come an updated package never showed up in the feisty changes list or one p.u.c, but if i apt-cache show it, it shows the updated package
[02:33] <Adri2000> nixternal: is it an autosynced package?
[02:34] <minghua> p.u.c is pretty outdated from what I heard
[02:34] <nixternal> no it wasn't
[02:34] <nixternal> ahhh
[02:45] <fernando> hi all
[02:55] <chillywilly> lol @ The Office
[02:55] <chillywilly> that show is flippin hilarious
[02:56] <nixternal> haha
[02:56] <bhale> chillywilly: dude
[02:56] <nixternal> my name is earl is better
[02:56] <bhale> chillywilly: the product placement was awful
[02:56] <bhale> nixternal: ...
[02:56] <bhale> no one would watch Earl if it wasnt before the office
[02:56] <chillywilly> I like both of them
[02:56] <chillywilly> no way...I like what's his face from all the Kevin Smith movies
[02:57] <nixternal> is the ... good or bad?
[02:57] <bhale> bad
[02:57] <nixternal> hehe
[02:57] <chillywilly> >:-|
[02:57] <chillywilly> I shall eat your children
[02:57] <chillywilly> muwaahahahaha
[02:57] <nixternal> heck ya chillywilly!
[02:58] <nixternal> i forgot his name..and the name he goes by in mallrats and what not as well
[02:58] <nixternal> Brody
[02:58] <bhale> the guy staring at the picture?
[02:58] <nixternal> hahaha
[02:58] <nixternal> the comic book man
[02:58] <bhale> oh
[02:58] <bhale> keep making dick and fark jokes man!
[02:58] <nixternal> i haven't seen clerks 2 yet
[02:59] <nixternal> the big fat one?
[02:59] <nixternal> i forgot his name too
[02:59] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:00] <LaserJock> phew, I was worried I missed them
[03:00] <LaserJock> thank goodness for PST
[03:01] <nixternal> lol
[03:01] <LaserJock> my only reason for having a TV is Thursday night
[03:01] <LaserJock> well, there are some movies I like too
[03:02] <LaserJock> but Earl and the Office are the only TV shows I watch
[03:02] <chillywilly> other than the SciFi channel ;)
[03:02] <nixternal> hehe
[03:02] <LaserJock> well, I don't get the SciFi channel
[03:02] <nixternal> have you seen the 40yo virgin?
[03:02] <LaserJock> only local stations
[03:03] <LaserJock> nixternal: no
[03:03] <nixternal> hhe
[03:04] <nixternal> haha, that guy had me laughing so hard in that movie
[03:04] <nixternal> when they wax his chest hair....my god you could see he was dead serious during that
[03:06] <LaserJock> nixternal: you seen Nacho LIbre?
[03:07] <nixternal> no
[03:07] <nixternal> is it new?
[03:07] <nixternal> omg, jack black..ahahahahah
[03:08] <nixternal> i gotta get that
[03:08] <LaserJock> well, it's Jack Black and one of the guys that made Napoleon Dynamite
[03:08] <LaserJock> I haven't seen it
[03:09] <LaserJock> but it looks interesting
[03:10] <_MMA_> LaserJock: I just watched it.
[03:10] <_MMA_> It was ok. I dont know if it will grow on me like Napoleon Dynamite. Was ok. Worth it to see once.
[03:11] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:11] <nixternal> im watching the trailer
[03:11] <LaserJock> yeah, I think I'll rent it once at least
[03:11] <nixternal> hit him in the chest with a bee hive
[03:11] <_MMA_> THAT was funny. :)
[03:12] <LaserJock> I don't think I've ever seen a Jack Black movie
[03:12] <bddebian> Don't bother :-)
[03:12] <_MMA_> LaserJock: Didnt see 40year old virgin?
[03:12] <LaserJock> no
[03:12] <_MMA_> I watch that once a week. :)
[03:12] <nixternal> what?
[03:12] <nixternal> jack black is nuts
[03:13] <_MMA_> nixternal: Hes great in High Fidelity.
[03:14] <LaserJock> I watched these Jack Black "making of" movies of Nacho Libre
[03:14] <LaserJock> quite funny
[03:14] <LaserJock> the waxing was what reminded me of it
[03:14] <LaserJock> he gets his whole chest waxed
[03:14] <nixternal> high fidelity rocked
[03:15] <nixternal> in 40yo virgin, they put a smiley face in his chest...he makes up cuss words it hurts so bad
[03:16] <nixternal> you could actually see the pain when they did it
[03:16] <_MMA_> "Man-o-latern"
[03:16] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:17] <chillywilly> poor pam
[03:17] <_MMA_> nixternal: In the "making of" they show him afterwords getting burn cream out on the areas he got waxes. The blood was real.
[03:18] <_MMA_> *waxed
[03:18] <LaserJock> chillywilly: don't spoil it for me :p
[03:18] <chillywilly> ouch
[03:18] <chillywilly> you're not watching it?
[03:19] <LaserJock> no
[03:19] <nixternal> haha
[03:19] <LaserJock> it's only 6:20 here
[03:19] <nixternal> hmm..i might go payperview the ground truth
[03:47] <nixternal> jeesh, 503 emails for feisty-changes
[03:47] <nixternal> heh
[03:47] <ajmitch> tis nothing
[03:47] <nixternal> i just got bombed
[03:47] <ajmitch> don't subscribe to ubuntu-bugs then
[03:47] <LaserJock> heh
[03:47] <nixternal> when i was watching pr0n it was..
[03:48] <nixternal> i mean youtube
[03:48] <nixternal> not boogs, changes ;)
[03:49] <nixternal> i wanna see all of those in the next uwn for feisty updates ;)
[03:52] <ajmitch> crimsun: "afraid of sunlight"?
[03:52] <crimsun> that's what Flash does to me
[03:53] <bddebian> heh
[03:56] <LaserJock> crimsun: do you have food delivered to your computer?
[03:56] <ajmitch> ah, bddebian is here
[03:56] <LaserJock> or maybe you don't even need food
[03:56] <bddebian> No he's not
[03:56] <crimsun> LaserJock: I haven't done that in a while
[03:56] <bddebian> LaserJock: He's a machine, he doesn't need food
[03:57] <ajmitch> we don't need council greyskull
[03:57] <ajmitch> we have crimsun (and bddebian)
[03:57] <LaserJock> mhm
[03:57] <bddebian> heh
[03:59] <psusi> anyone here know a lot about the new features in ext?  specifically the resize inode, dir_index, and filetype?
[03:59] <psusi> I'm trying to patch defrag to handle them properly
[04:00] <jdong_> psusi: heh, e2defrag is still alive?
[04:00] <jdong_> psusi: I wrote pyfragtools (lp/product/$@) for that purpose :D
[04:00] <psusi> sort of... the package is still in the archive, though it has been failing to build for the last two releases
[04:00] <psusi> I'm dusting it off
[04:01] <jdong_> psusi: it's a FS-neutral data defragger
[04:01] <jdong_> doesn't do crap about free space
[04:01] <psusi> I've already made 5 patches to fix bugs and make it work with modern formats, and use sane amounts of buffer cache on modern machines
[04:01] <jdong_> :)
[04:01] <psusi> fs jeutral?
[04:01] <psusi> fs neutral even?
[04:01] <jdong_> psusi: yeah
[04:01] <jdong_> psusi: it uses FBIOMAP
[04:01] <psusi> ahhhh
[04:01] <jdong_> psusi: which is implemented for practically everything :D
[04:02] <psusi> and copies/deletes the file until it is contiguous? ;)
[04:02] <jdong_> psusi: basically yeah
[04:02] <jdong_> psusi: it's pretty damn effective at getting the job done :D
[04:02] <psusi> itit doesn't work so good on filesystems that use sub block allocating
[04:02] <jdong_> maybe not
[04:02] <jdong_> I've used it effectively on ext3, reiserfs, and JFS though
[04:02] <psusi> yea, but it doesn't have the cool dancing block ansii map like defrag does ;)
[04:02] <jdong_> though JFS really didn't need it :D
[04:02] <psusi> what happens when it hits tails on reiser?
[04:03] <jdong_> psusi: they're not fragmented by definition? :D
[04:03] <psusi> yea they are
[04:03] <psusi> the last part of the file data is stored elsewhere from the rest of it
[04:03] <psusi> and there may be multiple tails in the same block
[04:04] <jdong_> interesting point
[04:04] <fgiraldeau> Hi there, I'm ready to upload a package and would like to know if my gpg key has been included in the list
[04:04] <jdong_> psusi: in which case it would be a WONTFIX --> e2fsprogs::filefrags bug :D
[04:04] <psusi> I've been toying around with another idea lately too... du is horribly slow on large directories because it stat()s each inode in the order that readdir() returns them... which has a completely random relationship to the disk block order of the inodes
[04:05] <psusi> so du causes a massive seek storm
[04:05] <jdong_> yep
[04:05] <psusi> would be nice for readdir() to return directories in the order that their inodes appear on disk
[04:06] <psusi> but right now I'm trying to figure out WTF these new ext features are
[04:06] <jdong_> hehe
[04:06] <psusi> I got it to at least not corrupt the fs anymore, but it is treating the resize inode as bad blocks
[04:06] <psusi> I'd like it to be able to move it
[04:07] <psusi> I still don't even understand WTF the resize inode is
[04:07] <psusi> and why it is created by default
[04:07] <psusi> average users don't need to resize the fs on the fly
[04:08] <psusi> and it appears to reserve a good chunk of disk space
[04:08] <psusi> dapper did not have this
[04:11] <psusi> jdong_, you have universe upload access?
[04:11] <jdong_> psusi: no, sir
[04:12] <jdong_> hehe
[04:29] <jdong_> any suggestions on how to gauge upload speed in a python script?
[04:33] <LaserJock> nixternal: hmmm
[04:34] <LaserJock> "I played around with LaserJock ..." ?
[04:35] <ajmitch> haha
[04:36] <psusi> jdong_, same way you do it in any language?  bytes send divided by time
[04:36] <jdong_> psusi: where to, though?
[04:36] <Lathiat> psusi: AIUI, to resize the FS
[04:36] <Lathiat> psusi: you neeed to expand the INODE table? (or something)
[04:36] <Lathiat> so it reserves space to do that
[04:36] <Lathiat> it does this so you can expand online
[04:36] <Lathiat> i could be off the mark but thats how i understand it anyway
[04:37] <psusi> AIUI?
[04:37] <Lathiat> as i unstand it
[04:37] <psusi> ahh
[04:38] <psusi> and it has to reserve it when the fs is created so it can be sure to grab the fixed blocks where the expanded inode table must be located?
[04:38] <psusi> I see.... then yea... you don't want to go moving those blocks around ;)
[04:38] <Lathiat> http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0409.3/1569.html
[04:39] <jdong_> wow did universe get a new shipment of packages :D
[04:39] <psusi> I saw that email aready and it doesn't seem tob e relatred
[04:39] <psusi> related even
[04:40] <psusi> that seems to be talking about getting rid of a dummy in memory only inode that was used as a means of adding new blocks to the free list ( by unlinking an inode that had those blocks allocated )
[04:40] <Lathiat> ah ok
[04:40] <psusi> but oh well.... defrag at least refuses to move the inode so it doesn't clobber the fs
[04:40] <psusi> maybe now I can find someone to upload it ;)
[04:41] <psusi> though I think we should also turn off the expand inode by default... average desktop users don't need to be able to expand the fs on the fly
[04:41] <psusi> if they really want to they can just boot from the livecd and use gparted
[04:42] <psusi> wait a second...
[04:42] <psusi> why does space need reserved for expanding?  if you expand the fs, you will be adding the new inodes and bitmaps in the new space
[04:42] <psusi> not converting existing data blocks into inodes
[04:46] <psusi> wait a second...
[04:46] <psusi> shouldn't this control file specify ALL for Architecture:?  not any?
[04:46] <Lathiat> psusi: my limited understanding of filesystems indicates theres an area that maps out the in use inodes.. or something
[04:46] <psusi> err... maybe I got those backwards again
[04:46] <Lathiat> which it reserves additional space for so it can expand without unmounting the filesystem
[04:46] <Lathiat> arguably a technical limitation
[04:46] <ajmitch> psusi: yep, arch: any means compile for any arch
[04:46] <psusi> which one means build for each availible architecture, and which one means build once and it runs on all architectures?
[04:47] <psusi> Lathiat, it doesn't make sense to reserve any space though since the space for the new data does not exist yet... it will be in the new area after the fs is expanded
[04:47] <psusi> you can't reserve something that does not yet exist
[04:48] <Lathiat> psusi: no this is part of a map of the inodes that is created in the existing space
[04:48] <Lathiat> and apparently ext3 cant "add more to that map" whiel the FS is mounted
[04:48] <Lathiat> but if it pre-allocates it, it can
[04:48] <Lathiat> again, im arguing blind here, youd be best to speak to someone who knows more than i do :)
[04:49] <psusi> the inodes are stored in blocks at known intervals throughout the disk... so when you expand the fs and need to add more inodes, you add them to the new area, not the old
[04:49] <psusi> heh
[04:49] <Lathiat> then im possibly wron gbut it *definitely* needs to reserve some space int he existing part of the disk
[04:49] <Lathiat> for somethign!
[04:49] <Lathiat> who knows what
[04:49] <Lathiat> i thought it was a map of in use/not in use inodes, i may be wrong
[04:50] <Lathiat> probably am
[04:50] <psusi> afaik, the inodes and allocation bitmaps are in blocks of fixed size at fixed intervals throughout the disk... so if you add more disk, you add more inodes and bitmaps in the new part of the disk, not the old
[04:53] <psusi> anyone feel like testing my defrag fixes?  and maybe uploading them?
[04:53] <psusi> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/defrag/+bug/6546
[04:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6546 in defrag "Failed to build on amd64" [Medium,Needs info] 
[04:55] <Lathiat> psusi: i cant help but think witha tool a particularly potentially data destroying as defrag, poking those patches around upstream before uploading them to ubuntu might be usefull?
[04:55] <psusi> Lathiat, well, the version currently in the archive is KNOWN to eat filesystems.... my fixed version doesn't to my knowlege ;)
[04:55] <psusi> and I fear there isn't much upstream...
[04:56] <psusi> the package doesn't appear to be maintained really
[04:56] <ajmitch> yay, new samba to merge, just when i was doing 3.0.23c
[04:56] <psusi> the debian maintainer appears to only apply patches that users submit to him
[04:56] <psusi> very infrequently
[04:56] <Lathiat> psusi: hrm, right
[04:56] <psusi> also there is currently only an i386 binary in the archive, and that is from breezy
[04:57] <Lathiat> heh
[04:57] <psusi> cause it has failed to build from source on dapper and edgy
[04:57] <Lathiat> awesome :/
[04:57] <psusi> got to love it ;)
[04:58] <psusi> anyhow.... I'll do some more testing on some larger filesystems and see if it screws the pooch
[04:58] <psusi> but so far, it is working well on dapper on i386 and edgy on amd64
[04:59] <psusi> of course, the package description still says THIS CAN EAT YOUR DATA, SO BACK UP FIRST ;)
[05:03] <nixternal> LaserJock: you prevert!
[05:03] <LaserJock> you said it!!
[05:06] <nixternal> hehe
[05:07] <nixternal> where did i say that?
[05:07] <nixternal> oh, the blog post
[05:14] <imbrandon> re
[05:15] <imbrandon> ohhh looks like keybuk dud a ton of debian to ubuntu NEW
[05:15] <imbrandon> let the fun begin
[05:15] <nixternal> mote?
[05:16] <nixternal> 503 to be exact
[05:16] <imbrandon> i have 520+ since i loged in last , but still , the fun has started
[05:16] <imbrandon> now i can properly update a few things
[05:17] <nixternal> anything you need help with that doesn't require brain surgery, i can help ya out
[05:18] <imbrandon> hrm
[05:19] <imbrandon> lemme look, i think i have a "junior job" for ya somewhere as it was put at UDS :)
[05:19] <imbrandon> serouisly one sec
[05:19] <imbrandon> you dont have access to a ppc do you ?
[05:19] <LaserJock> nixternal: fix Universe
[05:19] <nixternal> woohoo
[05:19] <LaserJock> that'd help
[05:19] <nixternal> haha "junior job", i love it
[05:20] <imbrandon> haha thats what we called jobs that dident require tons of experince
[05:20] <imbrandon> at UDS :)
[05:20] <LaserJock> comes from KDE
[05:20] <bddebian> Hmm, that's my kind of work :)
[05:20] <nixternal> x86 is all i have
[05:20] <LaserJock> bddebian is king of junior jobs
[05:20] <imbrandon> if you have access to a pcc nixternal you can do my mol merge
[05:20] <bddebian> hmm
[05:20] <imbrandon> if not i'll find someonthg else
[05:20] <nixternal> LaserJock: point me in the right direction ;p
[05:21] <imbrandon> we're gonna make a MOTU out of nixternal yet this release
[05:21] <imbrandon> :)
[05:21] <nixternal> LaserJock: why all of a sudden the harping on KDE, just the other day you said gnome was for *$)*#$#
[05:21] <ajmitch> if only I could be a MOTU
[05:21] <bddebian> heh
[05:22] <LaserJock> nixternal:  "Go... fly...you are free...To fix the universe!"
[05:22] <ajmitch> php has drilled holes in my skull & sucked any brains out that I had
[05:22] <imbrandon> nixternal: you can do this merge if you want, its mine and should be pretty streight forward , http://merges.ubuntu.com/d/drip/REPORT
[05:22] <nixternal> find something else, as the only processor i buy and support start with an A, has the middle initial M, and the last name starts with D
[05:22] <LaserJock> nixternal: harping?
[05:22] <nixternal> jMOTU
[05:22] <imbrandon> nixternal: you can do this merge if you want, its mine and should be pretty streight forward , http://merges.ubuntu.com/d/drip/REPORT
[05:22] <imbrandon> gah sorry
[05:22] <nixternal> kinda like jROTC
[05:22] <imbrandon> lol
[05:23] <nixternal> bushism im sure
[05:23] <nixternal> imbrandon: is that an actual package or a personal issue?
[05:23] <imbrandon> thats a merge that i did last cycle so i was the last to touch it
[05:23] <imbrandon> its on merges.ubuntu.com
[05:23] <imbrandon> it should be a simple one to look over
[05:24] <imbrandon> iirc
[05:24] <nixternal> k, i need merge experience, so this could be a start...shouldn't take no longer then 3
[05:24] <nixternal> months
[05:24] <imbrandon> lol
[05:25] <imbrandon> merges are the best practice for new MOTU imho, lots of diffrent situations in there
[05:25] <imbrandon> then LP cherry picking patches is probably the next on the list
[05:26] <ajmitch> imbrandon: can I do some merges please sir?
[05:26] <imbrandon> ajmitch: hahaha
[05:26] <ajmitch> sorry, 5:30pm friday, I was up till 2AM :)
[05:26] <imbrandon> :)
[05:26] <nixternal> that sounds like fun
[05:26] <ajmitch> playing with samba & AD
[05:26] <nixternal> ajmitch: your such a no0b
[05:26] <nixternal> ;p
[05:26] <ajmitch> yeah I am
[05:26] <ajmitch> teach me your sk1llz!
[05:27] <nixternal> sjMOTU == super jr. MOTU
[05:27] <imbrandon> thats ok, my brother and his old lady have been fighting the last 48 hours so he has been over at my house, and when me and him get togather its like a redneck bar
[05:27] <ajmitch> sjMOTU = jesuit MOTU
[05:27] <nixternal> yay samba
[05:27] <nixternal> it just works for me
[05:28] <ajmitch> uh oh
[05:28] <imbrandon> looking at merges
[05:28] <nixternal> sed the WORKGROUP to make it = my network, then restart samba ;p
[05:28] <ajmitch> new xen crack imported from debian
[05:28] <ajmitch> it may cause issues
[05:28] <nixternal> haha jesuit MOTU
[05:28] <imbrandon> wonderfull
[05:29] <nixternal> imbrandon: that isn't redneck, the is white trash
[05:29] <imbrandon> hahah not much diff in this part of the country
[05:29] <nixternal> pbr == poor man's OE
[05:29] <imbrandon> pbr == good
[05:30] <imbrandon> corona == better
[05:30] <LaserJock> pbr == professional bull riding
[05:30] <LaserJock> sorry, I'm from Montana
[05:30] <imbrandon> pabst blue ribon
[05:30] <imbrandon> berr
[05:30] <imbrandon> beer
[05:30] <imbrandon> gah
[05:30] <nixternal> water == best
[05:30] <ajmitch> ok, I'm off home, back online soon
[05:30] <imbrandon> later ajmitch
[05:31] <nixternal> ya LaserJock, you just showed off your true hillbilly instincts
[05:31] <nixternal> ya, it will make you go berr
[05:31] <nixternal> from trying not to throw up
[05:31] <nixternal> thanks for the warning ajmitch
[05:32] <LaserJock> my gosh, them there eastern'rs have "paved" roads
[05:32] <nixternal> i just did a save as with ff on my feisty box, and the save window was #6569ae
[05:32] <imbrandon> true redneck is when you have to watch what can you pickup to drink because your GF might have used it for a spit cup
[05:32] <nixternal> talk about not right
[05:32] <LaserJock> imbrandon: oh yeah
[05:32] <LaserJock> always use a clear bottle
[05:33] <nixternal> i love um too
[05:33] <imbrandon> mt dew bottle, pepsi clear bottles can be brown liquid, still not good
[05:33] <imbrandon> mt is never brown
[05:33] <nixternal> although, the grand canyon don't have anything on the chicago pot holes
[05:33] <imbrandon> its sad when you know that
[05:34] <imbrandon> wow i must really be a redneck at heart
[05:34] <LaserJock> mhm
[05:34] <bddebian> Are you dissing us rednecks?
[05:34] <LaserJock> bddebian: we *are* the rednecks ;-)
[05:34] <imbrandon> bddebian: no , i'm just trying to deny my nickname Riddell gave me at UDS
[05:34] <bddebian> :-)
[05:34] <imbrandon> hehe but its not working
[05:35] <imbrandon> i never thought about a redneck geek though, we must be a small minority
[05:35] <bddebian> Heh, that's no shit :)
[05:36] <imbrandon> :)
[05:37] <imbrandon> i seen a cool button i'm going to make into a paypal graphic for my site and take the google ad's off, it had a face holding a sign "not hungry, just broke" click here , etc etc etc
[05:37] <imbrandon> i thought that was classic, and after 2 years of google ad's i made a whole $8 UDS, they are ugly and do no good
[05:38] <imbrandon> :)
[05:38] <bddebian> heh
[05:38] <imbrandon> USD*
[05:38] <LaserJock> it's getting to you
[05:38] <imbrandon> hahah yea
[05:38] <crimsun> $8 UDS? wow even I can afford that
[05:38] <imbrandon> heya crimsun
[05:38] <crimsun> maybe I'll be able to swing the next UDS at that rate
[05:39] <crimsun> hi
[05:39] <imbrandon> hehehe
[05:39] <bddebian> Hah
[05:40] <imbrandon> actualy i dont even know why i put them up in the first place, my hosting is only ~120 a year for 200GB space and 2TB bandwidth an month , but it seemed like a good idea then
[05:41] <imbrandon> and last i looked ( about a week ago ) i use about a whole 2% of that, thus why i give anyone that needs a web home some space ( within reason )
[05:42] <imbrandon> and that 2% is including running a mirror for Seveas and i get about 2k hits a day on my blog
[05:42] <imbrandon> sooo , google ad's kinda useless
[05:43] <LaserJock> 2k hits a day on your blog?
[05:43] <imbrandon> LaserJock: yea last i looked that was avarage
[05:43] <imbrandon> lemme check
[05:45] <imbrandon> wow its went up , LaserJock http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss117.png
[05:47] <imbrandon> good now i dont have to talk to myself :)
[05:47] <imbrandon> heh
[05:48] <ajmitch> hah
[05:49] <ajmitch> now I can get back to real hacking
[05:49] <LaserJock> imbrandon: well, I'm doing < 2k
[05:50] <crimsun> deities don't need to hack. They just think, and stuff appears bug-free.
[05:50] <ajmitch> mere mortals like crimsun & I have to work hard at it
[05:50] <ajmitch> though I'm not even close to crimsun's abilities
[05:50] <bddebian> Gah, I really don't know why I continue to come here
[05:51] <crimsun> my disabilities? hehe
[05:51] <ajmitch> because you love us all
[05:51] <bddebian> Well that's true :_)
[05:53] <ajmitch> imbrandon: one thing I lack for a blog - somewhere to put it :)
[05:53] <ajmitch> the other thing being lack of motivation
[05:53] <minghua> is there any SRU already entered -updates?
[05:53] <ajmitch> minghua: I don't think so yet
[05:55] <minghua> ajmitch: is there any way to know easily?  like a -update-changes list or something?  I want to manually subscribe as bug contact to SRUed packages to do the triaging work I proposed
[05:55] <ajmitch> no idea, sorry
[05:56] <LaserJock> do we have anything in -proposed yet?
[05:56] <ajmitch> I don't know - people have filed bugs for SRUs
[05:56] <minghua> didn't Fujitsu upload his gcl/maxima fix to -proposed?
[05:56] <LaserJock> not sure if it went to -proposed or not
[05:57] <imbrandon> heh ajmitch i can give you a spot to put it, thats not a probelm :)
[05:57] <ajmitch> imbrandon: the lack of anything to write about is a problem though :)
[05:58] <imbrandon> hehe yea that could be :)
[05:58] <minghua> nah.  both dapper-proposed and edgy-proposed seem to be empty for universe
[05:59] <crimsun> well, the only thing I have to blog about from Warty through Edgy is "I hate quirks."
[05:59] <imbrandon> i tried to upload something to edgy-proposed a few days ago, and its silently dissapeared
[05:59] <imbrandon> no idea why
[05:59] <crimsun> so two years of blogging summarised in three words.
[05:59] <ajmitch> probably goes into an unapproved queue
[05:59] <ajmitch> crimsun: impressive
[06:01] <nixternal> imbrandon: drip is 0.9.0-3 in debian unstable, and the current one we have is rc3, so, i would just grab the debian one, as the only change between our rules file and theirs is that
[06:01] <nixternal> # Don't ship static libraries or .la files with our plugins. We're just an app..
[06:01] <nixternal>         rm -f $(CURDIR)/debian/drip/usr/lib/*a
[06:02] <nixternal> and in ubuntu rc3, it was to chmod 0644 tthose files
[06:02] <imbrandon> you are looking at more than just the rules right? if so it might just be a sync
[06:02] <imbrandon> i havent looked this round
[06:02] <nixternal> so, i could test build it here, and if it works, post a bug with the logfile and request a sync?
[06:03] <nixternal> well, in debian unstable it is a new upstream release
[06:03] <nixternal> no longer a release candidate for one
[06:03] <nixternal> and there were no ubuntu specific patches from what i could see
[06:04] <imbrandon> nixternal: thats not what i ment, e.g did you grab the merge from merges.ubuntu.com, its there becouse there was some kinda of delta
[06:04] <imbrandon> if that delta is no longer needed then yes go through the sync process
[06:05] <imbrandon> nixternal: whats the changelog say ?
[06:05] <nixternal> http://merges.ubuntu.com/d/drip/
[06:05] <imbrandon> ?
[06:05] <nixternal> debian or ubuntu?
[06:05] <imbrandon> the ubuntu one , what is the reason for the diffrence
[06:07] <imbrandon> ahh yea, looks to be just a sync, make sure it builds fine , then file a sync request with all the nessesary info as per normal
[06:08] <nixternal> roger dodger
[06:09] <crimsun> time to remove ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[06:09] <imbrandon> crimsun: ?
[06:09] <crimsun> less than a half-hour until flashplugin-nonfree 9.0.21.55.2ubuntu1 binaries hit.
[06:09] <imbrandon> ahh right
[06:10] <imbrandon> i noticed that too
[06:10] <ajmitch> crimsun: it'll automagically upgrade peoples' flash 7 setup?
[06:11] <imbrandon> ajmitch: from the changelog it looks to be so
[06:11] <bddebian> Gnight gents
[06:11] <ajmitch> night bddebian
[06:12] <imbrandon> ajmitch: gnash ?
[06:12] <ajmitch> no
[06:12] <ajmitch> but I don't have a flash package installed
[06:12] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:12] <imbrandon> yea i need to clean out my plugins
[06:12] <crimsun> ajmitch: it eliminates some hacky stuff Simon and I worked on for 7.0.68, yeah
[06:12] <imbrandon> i have no idea whats installed and whats not
[06:17] <crimsun> ...that's bad.
[06:17] <imbrandon> as far as flash wise from source or plugins packages
[06:17] <imbrandon> :)
[06:27] <nixternal> who do i subscribe for sync requests?
[06:27] <ajmitch> ubuntu-universe-sponsors, who will then check it
[06:28] <ajmitch> (aka crimsun)
[06:28] <minghua> since when does firefox's postinst says "restart any running firefoxES"?
[06:28] <Mez> I thought it was
[06:28] <crimsun> you may as well just tell me the bug # now.
[06:28] <Mez> "ubuntu-archive"
[06:28] <nixternal> thanks
[06:28] <ajmitch> Mez: preferably not for sponsored uploads
[06:28] <crimsun> Mez: no, u-u-s does that step
[06:28] <ajmitch> crimsun: none of the rest of us have any chance...
[06:28] <nixternal> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/drip/+bug/72131
[06:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72131 in drip "[Feisty MoM]  please sync drip-0.9.0-3 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[06:29] <Mez> ajmitch, ah, didnt know nexternal was sponsored, thought he was a dev
[06:30] <crimsun> nixternal: please follow sync policy [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000181.html ] 
[06:30] <ajmitch> sync requests need more information, like changelog entries
[06:30] <ajmitch> as crimsun said
[06:31] <nixternal> ahhh...got it...will do now crimsun if you want me to carry through on that?
[06:35] <crimsun> yes, please
[06:36] <nixternal> no problem...
[06:36] <crimsun> thanks :-)
[06:42] <nixternal> crimsun: fixed -> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/drip/+bug/72131
[06:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72131 in drip "[Feisty MoM]  please sync drip-0.9.0-3 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[06:43] <crimsun> nixternal: there are Ubuntu changes [http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/d/drip/drip_0.8.3.2+0.9.0-rc3-7.1ubuntu1/changelog ] 
[06:44] <crimsun> (hence the version naming)
[06:45] <nixternal> hrmm...wth was i looking at
[06:48] <nixternal> i think i overlooked that because all of the changes were in the debian source as well
[06:58] <nixternal> alrighty, im back..so, should it continue on pressing for a sync, or should it be merged?
[06:59] <crimsun> on first glance, it looks like a sync, but you need to enumerate each Ubuntu change and affirm that it can be overridden.
[07:00] <Cas> Hi, What is the correct way to request the inclusion of a program? file a bug on launchpad?
[07:00] <nixternal> well, each ubuntu change is in the 0.9.0-3 from debian
[07:02] <Mez> is it "crackful" or "crackfull"
[07:02] <Mez> to describe something thats full of crack
[07:04] <nixternal> lol
[07:04] <crimsun> I tend to use the former
[07:04] <crimsun> nixternal: then please state as much after each Ubuntu entry
[07:04] <Mez> anyone else? (i want a concensus)
[07:04] <Cas> Mez: I put my money on 'crackful' since it's also 'beautiful'
[07:04] <nixternal> whatever you do, don't google crackfull
[07:04] <Mez> nixternal i already did
[07:05] <nixternal> crackufl
[07:05] <nixternal> hah
[07:05] <crimsun> I would use "crackedness" instead
[07:05] <crimsun> [since crackedness is in the OED] 
[07:05] <crimsun> "Unsoundness of mind, craziness."
[07:06] <crimsun> 1910 W. J. LOCKE Simon the Jester xiv, This was sheer crackedness of brain... When people begin to talk that way they are not allowed to go about loose. 1968 Listener 29 Aug. 278/2, I suppose all writers of children's classics have been cracked, or at least extremely weird, One respects their crackedness as a rare endowment.
[07:06] <joejaxx> crimsun: what are some command line editors other than vim, nano and pico?
[07:06] <crimsun> joe, evil, mc's built-in one, etc.
[07:06] <Mez> @dict crackedness
[07:06] <ubuntu-es> Mez: Error: "dict" is not a valid command.
[07:06] <imbrandon> emacs ed
[07:06] <Mez> No results found for crackedness
[07:07] <joejaxx> imbrandon: i do not know ow to use emacs
[07:07] <joejaxx> how*
[07:07] <Mez> hmm @ubuntu-es
[07:08] <crimsun> http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/snap.png
[07:08] <joejaxx> lol
[07:09] <joejaxx> what is that you are using crimsun xfce?
[07:09] <crimsun> yes.
[07:09] <joejaxx> oh ok
[07:24] <minghua_> hmm, my feisty system doesn't boot after upgrade
[07:26] <nixternal> crimsun: how is that :) -> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/drip/+bug/72131
[07:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72131 in drip "[Feisty MoM]  please sync drip-0.9.0-3 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[07:27] <nixternal> ### my comments concerning changes ###
[07:27] <nixternal> needless to say, everyone of those changes are still in the debian package as well
[07:29] <crimsun> no, not every single one.
[07:30] <crimsun> please see 0.8.3.2+0.9.0-rc3-7ubuntu3, which contains an arch delta that has not been carried over into Debian unstable's
[07:30] <nixternal> so, is that overkill, or flat out wrong?
[07:31] <crimsun> I'm going to reject the sync request, because drip needs to be merged.
[07:31] <nixternal> roger that
[07:32] <nixternal> so, change the arch: to 386, and then merge, and i should be fine correct?
[07:34] <crimsun> if you're using MoM's output, that should confirm your work
[07:36] <nixternal> hah, i think i got it, the patch is my fixall
[07:48] <nixternal> alrighty..test building now, should i put it up on revu when i am complete?
[07:48] <crimsun> you can attach it to the sync req
[07:49] <crimsun> the debdiff, that is
[07:51] <nixternal> got it
[08:08] <nixternal> ey?
[08:09] <StevenK> ## These changes are present ....
[08:09] <StevenK> <One stanza of the changelog entry>
[08:09] <StevenK> ...
[08:10] <crimsun> I think he interpreted my statement above regarding each changelog entry to mean every one, not just the Ubuntu ones
[08:11] <StevenK> Possibly.
[08:11] <StevenK> crimsun: Stupid question, if I may?
[08:11] <crimsun> shoot
[08:11] <nixternal> i need one of them signs for my nick that says "Newbie on board, stand back"
[08:11] <StevenK> crimsun: New packages from Debian that Ubuntu has never seen before will be dragged in automatically?
[08:12] <crimsun> StevenK: yessir
[08:12] <StevenK> Right.
[08:12] <nixternal> crimsun: i attached the debdiff to bug 72131
[08:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72131 in drip "[Feisty MoM]  please sync drip-0.9.0-3 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72131
[08:13] <StevenK> Here's a question, why set the arch to i386 only?
[08:13] <StevenK> PaS is Packages-arch-specific which is a Debian sbuild thing.
[08:14] <StevenK> nixternal: You forgot to set your name in the latest entry in the changelog.
[08:14] <nixternal> StevenK: couldn't answer that, as i just do as im told ;)   however, i did wonder the same thing as well
[08:14] <StevenK> nixternal: You also need to list the Ubuntu changes that remain.
[08:15] <StevenK> nixternal: I wonder if it builds on amd64
[08:15] <crimsun> nixternal: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000182.html
[08:15] <nixternal> wheee
[08:15] <nixternal> i totally forgot to dch -i
[08:16] <crimsun> I don't think you meant -i
[08:16] <nixternal> ya crimsun, i forgot to dch ;(
[08:16] <nixternal> i always do -i
[08:16] <nixternal> what is it supposed to be?
[08:17] <StevenK> dch -a or dch -e
[08:17] <StevenK> Personally, I just use debian-changelog-mode in emacs.
[08:20] <nixternal> so just recap the previous ubuntu changes?
[08:21] <nixternal> and is this [Ubuntu Merge-o-Matic]  supposed to be in there?  from doing dch -a
[08:27] <StevenK> No.
[08:44] <nixternal> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32270/plain/  <- like this?
[08:45] <crimsun> nixternal: essentially, but you can combine & clarify a few
[08:45] <nixternal> roger
[08:45] <nixternal> thank
[08:45] <nixternal> s
[08:45] <crimsun> (np. As an aside, I always capitalise 'Debian' out of habit.)
[08:46] <nixternal> clarify the libmagick portion, or just leave out the instead of?
[08:47] <crimsun> I'd make one debian/control entry that lists those (and you don't need to list the 'instead of' portion)
[08:47] <nixternal> well, i actually just got done following the new flash nonfree that came through the changes ;)
[08:47] <nixternal> that is why it is like debian/rules:
[08:47] <nixternal> ahh, nm
[08:47] <nixternal> Debian unstable
[08:50] <macogw> i dont think nmap is in the repositories
[08:50] <crimsun> !info nmap
[08:50] <ubotu> nmap: The Network Mapper. In component main, is extra. Version 4.10-1 (edgy), package size 702 kB, installed size 2436 kB
[08:50] <macogw> wtf
[08:51] <macogw> mack@mack-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install nmap
[08:51] <macogw> Reading package lists... Done
[08:51] <macogw> Building dependency tree
[08:51] <macogw> Reading state information... Done
[08:51] <macogw> E: Couldn't find package nmap
[08:51] <crimsun> (fix & update your apt cache)
[08:51] <nixternal> i just installed it earlier
[08:51] <nixternal> as well
[08:51] <nixternal> !universe
[08:51] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[08:52] <nixternal> crimsun: hopefully this is the last time i bug you tonight...i have a new debdiff up there now
[08:53] <crimsun> nixternal: ok, will look in 30 minutes after this phone call if someone else hasn't processed it
[08:53] <Mez> OMG novell r the sux0rs
[08:54] <macogw> Err http://packages.freecontrib.org edgy/free Packages
[08:54] <macogw>   404 Not Found
[08:54] <macogw> oh well hey that doesnt look good
[08:54] <crimsun> macogw: nmap is in main, as referenced above.
[08:55] <macogw> i cant apt-get it and it doesnt show in a synaptic search...i'm doing an apt-get update right now cuz someone just said something about update, but freecontrib cant be found and thats not cool
[08:55] <crimsun> (freecontrib is irrelevent to nmap)
[08:57] <nixternal> crimsun: thanks...im gonna hit the sack, but if it is still fubarred, leave your name and number at the beep and I will get back with you as soon as possible ;)
[08:57] <nixternal> thanks again for the help bud
[08:57] <crimsun> np, sleep well
[08:58] <macogw> ok
[08:59] <macogw> i just replaced my sources.list
[08:59] <macogw> and now nmap is installing
[09:37] <Cas> Hi, Can someone tell me what package should have 'intltoolize' ?
[09:39] <Fujitsu> !find intltoolize
[09:39] <ubotu> File intltoolize found in intltool
[09:39] <Fujitsu> ie. it's in intltool.
[09:41] <Cas> thanks Fujitsu
[10:50] <Cimi> hi again devs
[10:50] <Cimi> hi ajmitch
[10:51] <Cimi> is there anybody here?
[10:52] <Cimi> ok
[10:52] <Fujitsu> Oops, XbuildY.
[12:11] <xopher> Alliright, Im now on a quest to become a MOTU. First I need to become a member, any hints on what I could do to achieve this?
[12:12] <ajmitch> do lots of work
[12:12] <ajmitch> put your name forward
[12:12] <ajmitch> show up at a CC meeting :)
[12:13] <crimsun> that explanation rocks.
[12:13] <ajmitch> thanks, crimsun
[12:13] <crimsun> np :)
[12:13] <ajmitch> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember has a bit more info
[12:15] <xopher> So basically I need to either post something remarkable at the wiki or be hyper-active in the forums? What about irc-activity?
[12:16] <ajmitch> you plan to be a MOTU, so contributions are in the form of packaging
[12:17] <xopher> That I've been doing a long time already
[12:18] <xopher> Ok, everythings relative ;) But over a year actively I guess
[12:18] <ajmitch> then if you have people to support that, and have written up on your wiki page about what you've done, then you're probably eligible
[12:20] <xopher> Ok, I guess I cant just pick any guy right? I mean it'd look better to have a (signed?) statement from the lead dev of the program right? Or do I need someone with me at the CCmeeting ?
[12:21] <ajmitch> preferably someone who can show up at the CC meeting & answer questions
[12:21] <ajmitch> who have you been working with to get things uploaded?
[12:22] <xopher> Well before I started working with bmpx (Beep-Media-Player) I did a bit uploading for quinn_storm, basically the amd64 branch of compiz-quinn
[12:23] <ajmitch> right, so stuff outside of ubuntu
[12:23] <xopher> Basically yes, un-official repositories for ubuntu
[12:26] <xopher> I uploaded my first thing to REVU yesterday, the bmpx package, so doing things official is quite new for me
[12:26] <xopher> And I got my gpg-key signed yesterday too, heh, Im really putting some effort in this, well imho at least lol
[12:26] <Hobbsee> xopher: based on how it's known to break things...i'm not sure that they do a lot
[12:27] <Hobbsee> s/ xopher / ajmitch /
[12:28] <crimsun> ajmitch loves that mono bit.
[12:28] <ajmitch> please don't bring that up
[12:28] <ajmitch> I may have a traumatic flashback
[12:29] <Fujitsu> Did I hear mono mentioned near 3rd-party repositories?
[12:29] <xopher> Well Im guessing that's one reason why we're trying to get more integrated into ubuntu
[12:29] <xopher> Hobbsee, what breakage are you referring to?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> xopher: dapper people with beryl upgrading to edgy, in particular
[12:30] <Fujitsu> Yay, fireworks!
[12:31] <xopher> Hobbsee, oh, you're talking about beryl
[12:31] <ajmitch> for bmpx, the rather broken dbus backport in the repository
[12:31] <xopher> ok
[12:31] <Hobbsee> xopher: actually, i'm talking about all third party repos that break things, but that was what i was thinking of
[12:31] <ajmitch> which I complained about a couple of times, and saw people running into it a number of times
[12:32] <xopher> Ok, now, just to get my facts right. There in no chance I could get a new package into edgy anymore, correct? Not even to backports?
[12:32] <xopher> So what I should be aiming at is feisty?
[12:32] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:33] <ajmitch> aim for feisty
[12:35] <Fujitsu> And that's NOT an excuse to backport more crack to Edgy in third-party repos.
[12:36] <Hobbsee> ugh, yes
[12:36] <xopher> Fujitsu, so what you're saying is that I shouldn't be maintaining a bmpx-repo for edgy? That I should take away the possibility of trying out software that otherwise would only be available from source?
[12:37] <ajmitch> xopher: if you're going to be breaking other packages (as the bmpx repository has been infamous for), then no
[12:37] <Fujitsu> xopher: As ajmitch says, if it affects other packages, you should definitely not do it.
[12:38] <ajmitch> bmpx by itself wasn't the problem
[12:38] <ajmitch> breaking dbus for many people was
[12:38] <xopher> Ok, well it doesnt effect other packages anymore. That was on dapper. Edgy is left intact
[12:39] <xopher> It may have caused breakage because of the huge amount of external dependencies it had, which dapper doesnt have by default
[12:43] <xopher> This conversation dies kind of rapidly dont you think?
[12:43] <xopher> s/dies/died
[12:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:43] <Hobbsee> seems to have, yes
[12:43] <Hobbsee> xopher: i think youv'e given ajmitch nightmares now
[12:45] <xopher> Does that mean he won't forget me and stand by me at the CCmeeting? ;) heh
[12:45] <xopher> (probably he'll just smite me)
[12:45] <ajmitch> I didn't plan to anyway, since I haven't been working with you at all
[12:45] <xopher> Point taken
[12:46] <ajmitch> I don't support people who I haven't worked with directly, even if they've been doing plenty of good work
[12:46] <ajmitch> though that's more for TB
[12:46] <ajmitch> when the quality of packaging matters more
[12:48] <xopher> Yeah. Now, the person(s) who would speak for me, does it matter if they aren't conneted with ubuntu themselves?
[12:49] <ajmitch> you could try, but the CC wants contributions to the ubuntu community
[12:50] <xopher> Well that's what Im trying to do isnt it? ;)
[12:51] <xopher> Now, I asked about irc-activity earlier, Ive been helping out people in #ubuntu-xgl quite a lot, is that a merit, or just something that's expected from everyone?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> xopher: it is counted, you tend to need to have people there to vouch for your IRC activity, though
[12:52] <xopher> Well naturally
[01:21] <deadchip> Hobbsee: are you available right now?
[01:22] <deadchip> Hobbsee: i believe you just talked to xopher. I'm the BMP upstream maintainer (and main developer)
[01:22] <Hobbsee> deadchip: heya
[01:22] <deadchip> Hobbsee: i'd just like to know first-hand why you believe BMPx will "break" things
[01:22] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: should be too, i expect
[01:22] <Hobbsee> deadchip: did you or did you not backport DBUS?
[01:22] <deadchip> from all i can see, you either include the package, and then it's (that's not meant to be pushing off anything, just factually), and then you care for whether it works within Ubuntu wrt dependencies
[01:23] <deadchip> or you see that it won't work out and include it
[01:23] <Fujitsu> deadchip: The repository containing BMPx had a backport of DBUS, which exploded things.
[01:23] <deadchip> but i can't see how you can possibly claim the app will "break" things
[01:23] <deadchip> Hobbsee: i think this does not have any point does it?
[01:23] <deadchip> Hobbsee: those were inofficial packages
[01:23] <deadchip> once you include it yourself in Ubuntu, people will be clearly using Ubuntu dbus packages
[01:23] <Hobbsee> did they break people's dist-upgrades?
[01:23] <ajmitch> deadchip: no, it doesn't - the fact remains that you included broken packages, and we had to deal with the mess
[01:24] <Fujitsu> deadchip: The fact that they are unofficial exacerbates the point.
[01:24] <Hobbsee> deadchip: if they dont break other stuff, then they're more fine - but the fact that packages YOU are distributing ARE breaking things for your users - perhaps you need to think twice about it.
[01:24] <deadchip> Hobbsee: sorry i'm not going on that topic; even if they were breaking people's dist-upgrades, then what does this have _anything_ to do with if you'd include it into the main distribution?
[01:24] <deadchip> soryr but this looks like you're fishing for justifications
[01:24] <Hobbsee> nothing at all
[01:24] <deadchip> because you're just "scared" about the app and that's it
[01:24] <Hobbsee> i'm asking why you're including it, if it's breaking dist-upgrades for your users
[01:24] <deadchip> btw i'm not pushing here
[01:25] <deadchip> i just want to know why you insist this will break anything
[01:25] <Hobbsee> i've never even used the app.  i just know of the breakage
[01:25] <ajmitch> deadchip: that is the stupidest thing I've heard for awhile
[01:25] <ajmitch> saying that we're "scared" of it
[01:25] <deadchip> ok then, what _is_ the reason?
[01:25] <ajmitch> the thing we have issues with are the broken dbus & other packages that were left up there for months, after complaints about them
[01:26] <deadchip> you're taking inofficial repositories which are not endorsed by us as a reason for possible inclusion of the package into Unbuntu in the future which would aside from itself solely depend on Ubuntu packages
[01:26] <ajmitch> I don't care one bit about bmpx itself
[01:26] <deadchip> that sounds like pretty much nonsense for me
[01:26] <ajmitch> deadchip: they were endorsed enough to be on your website, iirc
[01:26] <deadchip> they were not "endorsed"
[01:26] <deadchip> they were just listed there
[01:26] <ajmitch> ie endorsed
[01:26] <deadchip> how does that mean endorsed?
[01:26] <StevenK> deadchip: Enabling a repository will still have apt/aptitude upgrading a package if it notices a newer version.
[01:27] <StevenK> Hence the pain of dbus.
[01:27] <deadchip> good lord
[01:27] <ajmitch> you list it, you take responsibility
[01:27] <deadchip> allright so, let's say there were negative sideeffects because of our previous repositories
[01:27] <deadchip> and let's say we endorsed them (let's say..)
[01:27] <ajmitch> deadchip: note that none of this discussion has to do with inclusion of bmpx in universe
[01:27] <deadchip> then even if this both is true (which the former might be)
[01:27] <deadchip> then wouldn't _inclusion_ of it into Ubuntu proper do anything but _alleviate_ the problematic situation ?
[01:28] <deadchip> beacuse people wouldn't have to resort to 3rd party repositories ?
[01:28] <deadchip> note that i'm not pushing here but..
[01:28] <Hobbsee> including it into universe would be a better solution, yes
[01:28] <deadchip> if you would include it, then people would not install it from other repos
[01:28] <ajmitch> deadchip: I'll repeat again, we're *not* arguing against inclusion into ubuntu
[01:28] <deadchip> and if you don't you'll still be getting broken system reports
[01:28] <ajmitch> you seem to have misunderstood what we're trying to say
[01:28] <deadchip> because people _will_ continue to install it from 3rd party repos
[01:28] <deadchip> as it's a popular app and people like it
[01:28] <deadchip> so no matter how broken the repos, the people like the app
[01:29] <deadchip> the best way to alleviate this is to include it proper
[01:29] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: I think I'd prefer a whitelist.
[01:29] <deadchip> if one of our guys stops making a repository, then someone else will
[01:29] <Fujitsu> deadchip: This is beside the point at this time.
[01:29] <ajmitch> StevenK: sorry getting late, I'm getting annoyed with people who don't read
[01:29] <deadchip> and if that guy stops, then someone else again will
[01:29] <deadchip> Fujitsu: no it's not
[01:29] <deadchip> Fujitsu: my bottom line is: you're complaining about broken systems because of our repository
[01:30] <deadchip> or rather you're complaining about complaints
[01:30] <Fujitsu> Yes, and rightly so.
[01:30] <deadchip> now the point is
[01:30] <deadchip> Fujitsu: yeah
[01:30] <deadchip> i don't even deny it
[01:30] <deadchip> but
[01:30] <deadchip> if we stop making a repository
[01:30] <deadchip> then someone else will
[01:30] <deadchip> and if he stops, then someone _else_ will _again_
[01:30] <deadchip> because people _like_ the app
[01:30] <deadchip> (just AAMOF)
[01:30] <Fujitsu> There's always the option of making a, you know... Not broken repository?
[01:30] <deadchip> and there will be continued broken systems
[01:30] <deadchip> and you will be getting continued reports about such systems
[01:31] <deadchip> because not everyone knows how to make a proper repository that fits in with the distribution
[01:31] <deadchip> the only _sane_ way to help this out is to include it properly into Ubuntu itself
[01:31] <StevenK> Only if they put something up that breaks.
[01:31] <deadchip> all past things aside (not that they don't matter), but this ^ is the only sane solution for the future
[01:31] <deadchip> StevenK: look you're treating me right now as you do
[01:31] <deadchip> and i'll tell you that if anyone from Ubuntu comes to mea
[01:31] <deadchip> me*
[01:31] <deadchip> (sorry system update running)
[01:32] <deadchip> asking us to remove our repository or "kindly endorsing us to remove it because it breaks ubuntu"
[01:32] <deadchip> then i'll just tell you all the same thing again: the best solution is to integrate it into the distribution itself
[01:32] <deadchip> i can't and won't stop people from making repositories
[01:32] <deadchip> i can as well stop downstream people from making downstream packages
[01:32] <deadchip> or "forbid" them to do so
[01:32] <StevenK> Can they do so and not include a broken dbus?
[01:33] <deadchip> StevenK: what do you really want me to say ?
[01:33] <deadchip> you want me to admit something
[01:33] <Fujitsu> Exactly what StevenK said. The issue is the repositories being broken, not the repositories themselves.
[01:33] <deadchip> but seirously that's not what i'm here for
[01:33] <deadchip> what you're saying is like
[01:33] <deadchip> i don't know, there is no good example
[01:33] <Fujitsu> If you create a repository which doesn't break things, other people won't have cause to create broken ones either.
[01:33] <deadchip> the situation itself is the best example
[01:33] <deadchip> Fujitsu: _we_ didn't _create_ it
[01:33] <deadchip> how often do i have to say it?
[01:33] <deadchip> maybe 5 more times
[01:33] <deadchip> someone who uses BMP created it and we hosted it on our server
[01:34] <Fujitsu> You should have requested that the author fix it, or not hosted it.
[01:34] <deadchip> not that anyone of the BMP developers knows a thing about Ubuntu
[01:34] <deadchip> (and hence we couldn't tell if it will break things or not)
[01:34] <Fujitsu> I believe complaints were made.
[01:34] <Hobbsee> perhaps you need to discuss with that person proper procedures and responsibilities?
[01:34] <deadchip> Fujitsu: fix it if we knew it's broken
[01:34] <deadchip> i believe not
[01:34] <deadchip> perhaps in here but not to us
[01:34] <Hobbsee> deadchip: right, so you didnt make these ubuntu packages - you're the upstream maintainer?
[01:34] <deadchip> allright this makes no sense
[01:34] <ajmitch> deadchip: the person who made the repository, it was nexu, right?
[01:35] <deadchip> guys figure the rest out yourself
[01:35] <deadchip> the discussion is EOF for me now
[01:35] <deadchip> you are sitting on a dead duck or whatever you call this in english
[01:36] <deadchip> if this was included in ubuntu proper in the future there would be no problems
[01:36] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yeah, but i think we're yelling at the wrong guy here
[01:36] <Hobbsee> deadchip: how can we get it included into ubuntu?  what are the deps?
[01:36] <deadchip> i can't see how a possible future inclusion has anything to do with what the repositories did in the past
[01:36] <deadchip> Hobbsee: i believe you can read configure.ac
[01:36] <ajmitch> deadchip: "we won't fix the breakage until you include our software" isn't really the best means of working together
[01:36] <Fujitsu> deadchip: There would be good reasons for it not being included yet, I'm sure.
[01:36] <deadchip> i'm not _asking_ for inclusion even, just _by the way_
[01:36] <deadchip> i am not particularily _interested_ into inclusion either
[01:36] <Hobbsee> deadchip: basically, you're saying "we want this into ubuntu", and we're saying "your packages are causing breakage" or what?
[01:36] <deadchip> do it, or don't, like you want
[01:37] <deadchip> all i wanted to know is why you think it will "break things" _ONCE_ it is _IN_ Ubuntu itself
[01:37] <Fujitsu> deadchip: You were saying `include it or we'll continue to break your systems,' basically.
[01:37] <Hobbsee> deadchip: it likely wont.
[01:37] <deadchip> Hobbsee: what i'm saying is "i want to know why you think the app will break things once it's in Ubuntu itself"
[01:37] <Hobbsee> deadchip: in current situation, it does
[01:37] <deadchip> Hobbsee: good so what is the point ?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> deadchip: i dont think it will - i dont think it will be able to
[01:37] <deadchip> having a bad day and ride on things past?
[01:37] <xopher> Fujitsu, '(Fujitsu) There's always the option of making a, you know... Not broken repository?' The current repository is not broken. The broken repo you are talking about was for dapper. Its obsolete and inactive now.
[01:37] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure.  but i think we should harrass the guy who backported dbus, and made teh ubuntu packages
[01:38] <deadchip> Hobbsee: and what will you have from thata?
[01:38] <deadchip> that*
[01:38] <deadchip> personal satisfaction ?
[01:38] <Fujitsu> Unless inactive means no longer accessible, it's still broken.
[01:38] <deadchip> you harass that guy and then another one makes another broken repo
[01:38] <deadchip> Hobbsee: don't you see that it is pointless to bang on broken repos because this is incontrollable by you ?
[01:38] <deadchip> someone will make eventually another "broken repo"
[01:38] <deadchip> it is pointless
[01:39] <deadchip> right
[01:39] <Hobbsee> deadchip: that is true.   hopefully the person could be educated on why a repo is bad.
[01:39] <deadchip> if that makes you any happier, i'm glade to
[01:39] <deadchip> glad to*
[01:39] <deadchip> Hobbsee: oh i see this is a mission of education
[01:39] <deadchip> not of providing applications and an OS to users
[01:39] <xopher> Fujitsu, not accessible
[01:39] <deadchip> right...
[01:40] <Fujitsu> xopher: Good. But it was accessible for some time, and caused a lot of breakage.
[01:40] <deadchip> FWIW i don't care if you include BMPx into Ubuntu or not because there are enough people who like the app and will be wanting to install it one way or another anyway
[01:40] <deadchip> the _best_ thing you can do
[01:40] <xopher> Well I cant say anything about that, because I wasnt in the picture back then
[01:40] <Hobbsee> is to stick it in ubuntu
[01:40] <deadchip> (you're basically, just fwiw, denying the popularity of the app)
[01:40] <deadchip> the best thing you can do is to stick it into ubuntu
[01:40] <deadchip> right
[01:40] <deadchip> or you will get complaints all over and over again
[01:40] <Hobbsee> not at all.  however, my next question is "how do we get this into ubuntu"
[01:40] <deadchip> this is not a "threat" or sth
[01:41] <deadchip> it's just a matter of fact because as long as you don't
[01:41] <deadchip> people will be making 3rd party repos
[01:41] <deadchip> and you can spend your time either on going on a mission of education
[01:41] <deadchip> and tell them how to fix their broken repos
[01:41] <ajmitch> deadchip: that's the problem with any piece of software
[01:41] <StevenK> deadchip: At which point people will turn around and say "Put the latest SVN HEAD of BMPx into this released version of Ubuntu because I want it." ?
[01:41] <deadchip> or just simply include it yourself (like 20 other distros do)
[01:41] <xopher> Hobbsee, well Im working on that as we speak, already uploaded to revu as I stated before, now its up to MOTUs to take a look at it
[01:41] <deadchip> and be sane with the situation
[01:41] <Hobbsee> xopher: got a link to it?  i'm sure Fujitsu will take a look
[01:41] <ajmitch> deadchip: we always try & encourage people to get the software in
[01:41] <xopher> sec
[01:41] <deadchip> ok and i thought Gentoo downstream was unreasonable
[01:41] <xopher> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3460
[01:42] <deadchip> lol
[01:42] <Fujitsu> *attacks Hobbsee.
[01:42] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:42] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: a small slip...
[01:42] <deadchip> you've guys seriously had it
[01:42] <deadchip> hey umm
[01:42] <deadchip> anyone of you perhaps want to point out something bad about our website ?
[01:42] <StevenK> I note bmpx is in Debian, which means it will get pulled across automatically.
[01:42] <Fujitsu> deadchip: Gentoo /downstream/? Gentoo is as far upstream as it can go.
[01:42] <Fujitsu> Woops.
[01:42] <deadchip> maybe my email address is wrongly spelled ?
[01:42] <Fujitsu> I'm obviously tired.
[01:42] <deadchip> Fujitsu: not really
[01:42] <ajmitch> deadchip: maybe I've tried talking in the past to the person who made the repository, who ignored the complaint?
[01:42] <deadchip> Fujitsu: the users are in the belief of using upstream packages
[01:43] <deadchip> aka "just building from source"
[01:43] <deadchip> while they have packages like anyone else just built right in front  of their eyes
[01:43] <deadchip> that's a problem that _we_ have
[01:43] <deadchip> (in turn)
[01:43] <ajmitch> StevenK: source already is in universe
[01:43] <deadchip> people from gentoo coming in saying "i have a problem", "did you compile it from source?", "yeah.", "how?", "using an svn ebuild"
[01:43] <ajmitch> xopher: ^^
[01:43] <ajmitch> xopher: you may be interested in http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bmpx.html
[01:43] <deadchip> ajmitch: how would i know
[01:44] <deadchip> ajmitch: (i mean about you talking to someone)
[01:44] <deadchip> ajmitch: fwiw nexu is not even part of the bmp developer "team" or "project" or whatever you'd call it
[01:44] <deadchip> all we did was to provide server space
[01:44] <StevenK> ajmitch: i386 is probably sitting in binary NEW as we speak.
[01:44] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: way cool.  deadchip so that will just sync across, and it'll be in ubuntu in a week or so
[01:44] <deadchip> and as no one of the core devs runs Ubuntu, we couldn't see there was anything wrong with the repository
[01:44] <Hobbsee> hopefully
[01:45] <StevenK> Hobbsee: ^
[01:45] <Hobbsee> deadchip: we wont be able to include it into edgy, but it'll be in feisty, and hopefully we'll never have to have this discussion again :)
[01:45] <Hobbsee> StevenK: has it already been synced?  yay
[01:45] <deadchip> Hobbsee: yeah that would be (lol) good :)
[01:45] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Yup.
[01:45] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Keybuk was a busy boy, and in turn has just smashed the buildds. :-)
[01:46] <deadchip> i mean, in a positive sense of not needing to discuss this anymore
[01:46] <deadchip> wrt to the patch, it's already fixed in 0.34.
[01:46] <deadchip> 0.34.x*
[01:46] <Fujitsu> (where uploads == syncs)
[01:47] <deadchip> i just have to get to know how to tell them that it's fixed
[01:47] <Hobbsee> StevenK: ahhh :)
[01:47] <Hobbsee> deadchip: yeah
[01:47] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: holy cow.  that's a lot
[01:47] <deadchip> Thierry knows but Debian doesn't
[01:48] <StevenK> I suspect it was a neat script that he fired off.
[01:48] <StevenK> Hopefully the same script will fix binary NEW. :-P
[01:48] <Fujitsu> StevenK: I presume so, seems to have imported an enormous amount of yummy new stuff :)
[01:49] <StevenK> Indeed. :-)
[02:24] <zul> hey
[02:25] <Hobbsee> hey zul!
[02:25] <zul> hey Hobbsee
[02:27] <ajmitch> hi zul
[02:27] <zul> hi
[02:29] <StevenK> ajmitch: Shouldn't you be sleeping?
[02:30] <ajmitch> yes
[02:32] <zul> me too
[02:32] <zul> oh wait
[02:33] <zul> ...i just got to work
[02:33] <ajmitch> best time for it
[02:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:37] <fgiraldeau> Hi
[02:38] <fgiraldeau> I would like to upload my package to REVU
[02:38] <zul> do you have a gpg key?
[02:39] <fgiraldeau> imbrandon was not able to sync keys yesterday
[02:39] <fgiraldeau> zul : shure : https://launchpad.net/people/francis-giraldeau
[02:40] <fgiraldeau> My source package is signed and ready to upload
[02:41] <fgiraldeau> I tested it, i corrected lintian errors, I think that it is ready
[02:43] <zul> i think there is a launchpad team to join but i forget which one
[02:44] <fgiraldeau> I'm in this team : https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors
[02:44] <zul> ok then you might have to find a revu admin then like ajmitch
[02:44] <Hobbsee> he's asleep
[02:44] <Hobbsee> or should be
[02:45] <ajmitch> you people should let me sleep
[02:45] <fgiraldeau> ok right, thanks
[02:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:46] <fgiraldeau> Well, I understand this too, I could wait too :)
[02:46] <zul> ajmitch: then you should have shut up  :)
[02:46] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: should have descreened
[02:47] <fgiraldeau> I must go to work, but you will see that package appears in next few hours.
[02:47] <fgiraldeau> Thanks a lor ajmitch, and please, take care of you
[02:48] <ajmitch> ah, looks like imbrandon broke the updating
[02:49] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:49] <Hobbsee> that'd be right
[02:51] <fgiraldeau> See ya
[02:55] <ajmitch> imbrandon: 'sudo -u revu1 revu-key update' next time
[02:55] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: and you can upload to main.  oh dear.
[02:55] <ajmitch> must be run as the right user
[02:55] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ahh ok /me ident sudo
[02:55] <imbrandon> dident*
[02:55] <imbrandon> hrm
[02:55] <zul> and you call yourself a sysadmin ;)
[02:55] <imbrandon> u dunno my passwd on tiber, its random, i use the ssh key
[02:56] <imbrandon> err I dunno
[02:56] <ajmitch> sigh :)
[02:56] <imbrandon> heh
[03:13] <zul> i think its kind of funny that fedora has been crying out about binary drivers but their directory server requires java 1.4.2 in order to work properly
[03:15] <imbrandon> there is irony all over in linux, i guess you have to pick your evils
[03:15] <imbrandon> zul: ^
[03:15] <zul> yeah but its still funny..
[03:15] <imbrandon> oh yea, no doubt
[03:42] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:43] <giskard> hi bddebian
[03:43] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[03:44] <bddebian> Hello giskard, imbrandon
[04:05] <zul> gah where is Hobbsee's big pointy sitck of death when you need it..
[04:18] <fgiraldeau> Does the keys has been sync? I'm having trouble to upload yet.
[04:21] <ajmitch> fgiraldeau: yes, it has been synced
[04:21] <ajmitch> make sure you upload source-only packages to revu (not to ubuntu)
[04:23] <fgiraldeau> I got this message : Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution.
[04:23] <fgiraldeau> ltsp-loadbalancer (1.2.0-3) feisty; urgency=low
[04:23] <ajmitch> you probably uploaded to upload.ubuntu.com
[04:24] <imbrandon> fgiraldeau: did you run "dput revu blah.dsc" ?
[04:24] <fgiraldeau> fqdn = upload.ubuntu.com
[04:24] <imbrandon> no, thats not revu
[04:24] <fgiraldeau> well, I tried to upload to the REAL server!
[04:25] <imbrandon> erm exactly, and it wont let you
[04:25] <imbrandon> not untill you become a MOTU or core-dev
[04:25] <imbrandon> you can only upload to revu
[04:25] <fgiraldeau> God, that's not what I wanted... Ok, I will upload to revu.
[04:25] <fgiraldeau> Thanks again
[04:28] <fgiraldeau> I did not configured dput to use revu host by default, that's why.
[04:30] <fgiraldeau> ltsp-loadbalancer package is now uploaded
[05:22] <psusi> any motus feel like sponsoring an upload?
[05:24] <zul> what is it?
[05:27] <psusi> I have fixed the defrag package
[05:28] <imbrandon> wow linux has a defrag package ?
[05:28] <zul> is it in universe or main?
[05:28] <psusi> universe
[05:28] <psusi> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/defrag/+bug/6546
[05:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6546 in defrag "Failed to build on amd64" [Medium,Needs info] 
[05:29] <imbrandon> psusi: normaly you would attach a debdiff to the bug it fixes in LP and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors ( but in this case you already have our attn )
[05:29] <psusi> imbrandon: yea... it's been around for like 15 years
[05:29] <psusi> imbrandon: ok.. .debdiff is attached
[05:29] <psusi> I will subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[05:29] <psusi> or not ;)
[05:29] <psusi> if someone here wants to take a look at the debdiff and upload
[05:31] <imbrandon> psusi: looking it over now
[05:32] <imbrandon> psusi: hrm its versioned wrong and targeted at the wrong distro, i'll fix that and upload
[05:33] <imbrandon> psusi: e.g it should have been "defrag (0.73pjm1-8ubuntu1) feisty; urgency=low"
[05:39] <imbrandon> psusi: uploaded, also left you a note on the bug comments
[05:40] <psusi> ohh, I thought version numbers started with 0
[05:40] <psusi> cool, thanks
[05:41] <imbrandon> depends on the part of the version number, but the ubuntu revisions normaly start with 1
[05:41] <psusi> I see
[05:41] <imbrandon> ( and target the development version e.g. feisty , not unstable ) , but other than that looks sound
[05:42] <psusi> does the target actually do anything?
[05:42] <imbrandon> yes
[05:42] <psusi> it was unstable because it was synced from debian.... and since it seemed to build fine on edgy I didn't think I needed to change it
[05:42] <imbrandon> if you look at the pool in the archive, all ubuntu ( and debian ) debs are kept in the same pool for all versions
[05:42] <psusi> ohh
[05:42] <imbrandon> yes it will build , but that dosent make it correct
[05:42] <imbrandon> :)
[05:43] <psusi> so why are the packages that are auto synced from debian left as unstable?
[05:43] <imbrandon> thus the target is needed to be set so apt knows what is what
[05:43] <imbrandon> because they are not rebuilt, they are imported
[05:44] <imbrandon> if i upload a targeted version for unstable to ubuntu it would be rejected becouse soyuz wqould choke on it as a unknown dist
[05:44] <imbrandon> anyhow not a huge mistake, just wanted to let you know for future ref
[05:45] <Adri2000> imbrandon: huh? synced packages are not rebuilt in an ubuntu chroot?
[05:45] <imbrandon> brb , food is ready
[05:45] <psusi> I see
[05:45] <imbrandon> Adri2000: not in the same way as uploaded ones
[05:45] <Adri2000> yes, ok
[05:46] <imbrandon> and actualy i'm not sure if they arent just binary imported, would probably have to ask a ftp admin
[05:47] <imbrandon> but i know they arent handled the same and uploads choke if they are not targeted correctly , in ubuntu or debian
[05:47] <psusi> hrm... if they are that might explain https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/24692
[05:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 24692 in Ubuntu "Amd64 ubuntu build hogs memory due to badly built libs" [Medium,Needs info] 
[05:47] <slytherin> Is this the right place to ask pbuilder questions?
[05:48] <imbrandon> slytherin: yes
[05:48] <psusi> some libs on amd64 are built badly and hog mem... let me investigate of they were imported from debian vs. being ubuntu uploads
[05:48] <imbrandon> psusi: possibly, but i doubt it, as amd64 by nature uses much more ram for its binarys , its probably just badly ported 32bit code
[05:48] <slytherin> imbrandon: Can I share cache between apt and pbuilder? Is it ok if I change pbuilder cache directory to point to apt cache directory?
[05:48] <imbrandon> compiled for 64bit
[05:49] <imbrandon> slytherin: now that i do not know, but i would assume so, worst case is it wont work and you have to unpoint it
[05:49] <psusi> imbrandon: no no... the libs are built wrong... they have a 1 MB alignment requirement in the headers
[05:50] <psusi> so even if the lib is only 30 kb, it still uses up a 1 meg chunk of memory
[05:50] <slytherin> imbrandon: I will try. I have one more question.
[05:50] <imbrandon> as i said a bad port
[05:52] <psusi> just some silly linker setting when they were built
[05:52] <slytherin> imbrandon: I have created a package from a svn sync and installed. Now I want to create another package whose build depends on first package. But since first package is not in repositories listing, how would pbuilder know its existence.
[05:53] <imbrandon> it wont unless you login to the pbuilder and install it ( access via bindmount is the easy way )
[05:54] <imbrandon> pbuilder is its own chroot , it knows nothing about what you have installed localy
[05:54] <imbrandon> ok REALLY food time, if you still need help when i get done eating slytherin  i'll help you more
[05:54] <psusi> yea, you either have to copy the file to the pbuilder cache, login, and install it, or set up your own repository and add it as a source for the pbuilder environment
[05:54] <slytherin> imbrandon: No problem. I am here
[06:34] <Adri2000> I was looking at the merges to do and a package just need a sync, I will request it but I believe a motu have to check?
[06:38] <Adri2000> the package is packagesearch, the only ubuntu change was two dependencies added, debian added them to, and the package builds fine in a feisty pbuilder
[06:38] <Adri2000> can I request the sync? :)
[06:39] <PriceChild> Hey there... really easy question from a first timer
[06:39] <PriceChild> I'm building a package from someone else's source
[06:39] <Adri2000> eh, I have spoken too quickly, a B-D is missing...
[06:39] <PriceChild> do i keep their name as the "maintainer"?
[06:40] <PriceChild> and "just" put my name in the copyright as packager?
[06:40] <giskard> put your name in the changelog, nothing else. (ihmo)
[06:41] <Adri2000> all the packages from debian have not been synced yet?
[06:42] <PriceChild> giskard: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html suggests otherwise?
[06:43] <PriceChild> There's already a debian changelog there with everything already in... should i add a new entry at the top of the changelog to add me as a maintainer and it as a feisty package etc.
[06:43] <PriceChild> or just modify the previous line?
[06:44] <giskard> add a new entry
[06:44] <imbrandon> PriceChild: ok, whoa , back up here, exactly what are you doing ?
[06:44] <PriceChild> he he :)
[06:44] <PriceChild> I'm trying to package xvidcap....
[06:45] <imbrandon> i thought you said there is a chagelog etc, this sugests its packaged already, are you then updating that package?
[06:45] <PriceChild> here's where confusion begins :)
[06:45] <PriceChild> There's no official debian package
[06:45] <PriceChild> however
[06:45] <PriceChild> on sourceforge there is a deb
[06:45] <PriceChild> and a tar.gz
[06:46] <imbrandon> that dosent matter, are you updateing the deb?
[06:46] <PriceChild> I decided it was best to start from scratch - correct me if wrong?
[06:46] <imbrandon> wrong
[06:46] <PriceChild> :)
[06:46] <PriceChild> I just wasn't sure whether it was the best idea to start using other debs etc.
[06:47] <imbrandon> its always best to use whats already there , if it needs fixing , fix it, then send a patch to them showing what you fix'ed BUT ok ......
[06:47] <imbrandon> here is the deal, lets get you off on the right foot
[06:47] <PriceChild> i'm all ears :)
[06:48] <imbrandon> forget what you have already done for a moment ....... dont throw it away , it might be usefull, just bear with me
[06:48] <imbrandon> ok
[06:48] <PriceChild> ok
[06:48] <imbrandon> now articulate what you wish to happen ultimately as the goal
[06:48] <PriceChild> I want to get a package of xvidcap into the repos
[06:48] <imbrandon> ok good, and its NOT in debian atm correct ?
[06:48] <PriceChild> No
[06:49] <PriceChild> its stuck in limbo
[06:49] <PriceChild> for about 2 years
[06:49] <imbrandon> ok great, now you said there is a deb ( i assume source to that deb also)  on sf.net
[06:49] <PriceChild> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=81535 - there you go :)
[06:49] <imbrandon> and iots a free lic , like gpl etc
[06:49] <imbrandon> its*
[06:49] <imbrandon> wait wait , hehe i'm just getting the facts, you still have a bit of work to do
[06:50] <imbrandon> :)
[06:50] <PriceChild> yeah GPL
[06:50] <PriceChild> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xvidcap/ says its gpl
[06:50] <imbrandon> ok great, now next thing is do you have a pbuilder env setup?
[06:50] <PriceChild> he he no not yet....
[06:51] <PriceChild> I'd been following the ubuntu wiki step by step with making a new package
[06:51] <imbrandon> ok here is what you have to do from here in simplified steps, if you need help with a particualr step as you get to them ask, but here is an overview of "the right way"
[06:51] <imbrandon> right but the package is already made so its a bit diffrent
[06:51] <imbrandon> soooo what you need to do now is
[06:52] <imbrandon> grab the deb src from sf.net just how they have it , test build it ( preferably with pbuilder , a howto set that up on the wiki ) then ....
[06:52] <imbrandon> if there are minor changes that need to be made make them and add a changelog entry to reflect that, if not just leave it as is
[06:53] <imbrandon> and upload to REVU ( url in the topic )
[06:53] <imbrandon> from there a ubuntu developer such as those in this chan will revu it and upload to the main archives
[06:53] <PriceChild> Ok... but otherwise if it works, then i don't need to touch it?
[06:53] <imbrandon> correct
[06:53] <nixternal> imbrandon: is it safe to look through m.k.c/k/ and grab a kde app or two for a merge (i.e., don't want to step on someones toes if it is already in their todo list)
[06:53] <PriceChild> great thanks :)
[06:55] <imbrandon> nixternal: merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html ( it has the names of who's merges they are to do, best thing is to pick one and poke the person who's it is and ask , most are more than happy to let you do some of their merges )
[06:56] <secretlondon> Could someone help me unravel the gaphor/python ftbfs bug?
[06:56] <imbrandon> secretlondon: i'm not a python expert but i can try to help if you have an error
[06:57] <secretlondon> it's bug #66452 - it may be fixed by syncing from debian as we seemed to have missed it
[06:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66452 in gaphor "Dependancy problems - not synced from Debian?" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66452
[06:57] <secretlondon> it's a horrible dependency mess
[06:58] <PriceChild> imbrandon: I'm confused as to how pbuilder works... Its installing as we speak but the wiki gives on indication of how to use it :)
[06:58] <PriceChild> ah wait...
[06:58] <imbrandon> !pbuilder
[06:58] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[06:58] <PriceChild> yeah i'm on that page
[06:58] <PriceChild> i think i get it...
[06:58] <PriceChild> bear with me :)
[06:59] <imbrandon> PriceChild: tbh its not something you will learn in 5 minutes, read the wiki, try it a bit etc etc etc :)
[06:59] <imbrandon> if you run into problems with specifics we can help
[06:59] <imbrandon> secretlondon: one sec
[07:00] <PriceChild> he he thanks for helping :) much appreciated
[07:00] <imbrandon> :)
[07:01] <imbrandon> secretlondon: it looks like the merge never got done, its not a sync, it is a merge because there is a ubuntu delta to check
[07:01] <imbrandon> secretlondon: i'll see if i can figure out why the merge wasent done
[07:02] <secretlondon> the diff just looks like desktop and icon
[07:02] <imbrandon> most likely , but when there are ubuntu changes it dosent autosync
[07:02] <imbrandon> it has to be checked by hand, and can be easily overlooked
[07:02] <secretlondon> debian's web access to changelogs seems to be broken atm
[07:03] <secretlondon> imbrandon: thanks. we're getting quite a few dupes so it'd be great to fix
[07:04] <imbrandon> secretlondon: sure think, it looks like all changes were adpoted upstream, i'll check a little closer to be sure and file a sync req, should be done by early next week as long as everything go's smooth
[07:04] <imbrandon> thing*
[07:04] <secretlondon> thanks!
[07:05] <imbrandon> LaserJock: !!
[07:05] <LaserJock> imbrandon!!
[07:05] <zul> hey LaserJock
[07:05] <imbrandon> LaserJock: i need help !!!! , i'm not a good teacher and we have some new hopefulls arround :)
[07:05] <imbrandon> hehehe
[07:06] <secretlondon> we need some sort of ubuntu training programme
[07:06] <LaserJock> we do
[07:06] <imbrandon> secretlondon: well we sorta have one, just not the manpower to keep it uptodate
[07:06] <imbrandon> :)
[07:06] <LaserJock> it's just not exactly going full speed ahead right now
[07:06] <secretlondon> imbrandon: mentors?
[07:06] <LaserJock> we have MOTU Mentors and MOTU School
[07:06] <imbrandon> mentors and MOTU-school
[07:07] <secretlondon> everyone needs help, but nothing will get done if all the motu mentor?
[07:07] <imbrandon> heh
[07:07] <LaserJock> ok, so who all needs some training?
[07:08] <imbrandon> PriceChild: i think is looking for some LaserJock , i pointed him in the general direction, but i'm sure he would like lots more
[07:08] <imbrandon> LaserJock: nixternal is picking up the pace with merges too this cycle ( today and yesterday )
[07:09] <imbrandon> and there was one or two others in and out today
[07:09] <imbrandon> i forget the names
[07:09] <LaserJock> k
[07:09] <LaserJock> well, we have 5 decent sessions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School for people to read
[07:09] <imbrandon> and whom knows if secretlondon would like to get her feet wet lol
[07:10] <imbrandon> err his, err umm their
[07:10] <imbrandon> :)
[07:10] <secretlondon> imbrandon: I will do at some point - I've said so on my launchpad page
[07:10] <secretlondon> her
[07:10] <secretlondon> but their is fine
[07:10] <imbrandon> i thought so , just wasent 100% lol
[07:10] <secretlondon> :)
[07:11] <secretlondon> i think one thing will be getting people to read and practice
[07:11] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah.... you never know
[07:11] <imbrandon> anyhow yea, maybe her too LaserJock :), point is i think we need a nother general MOTU hoto get started session soonish, i wouldent mind helping with it but i'm not the greatest teacher
[07:11] <imbrandon> :)
[07:12] <imbrandon> well i think i've talked to secretlondon at one point or another and it came up, thats why it was in the back of my mind, but no matter, i dont care if he/she is purple and from mars
[07:12] <imbrandon> :)
[07:12] <secretlondon> :P
[07:12] <nixternal> imbrandon: i did that once to a lady when i was a teenager moons ago working at sears...i said how can i help you sir, and it was my first day (my boss and everyone had to hide because they were crying)
[07:12] <imbrandon> haha
[07:12] <nixternal> i think you are a little safer on irc ;p
[07:13] <LaserJock> well, last time I did a MOTU session it was 2 2hr sessions
[07:13] <imbrandon> well i'm getting used to women being smarter than me , seele at UDS , elkbuntu, hobbsee and many more seem to be creeping in, thats a good thing IMHO :)
[07:13] <LaserJock> if I can shrink it down to 1hr then it'd be easier to teach
[07:13] <imbrandon> LaserJock: yea
[07:13] <nixternal> ya, i need to concentrate on some MOTU schooling
[07:13] <secretlondon> hobbsee rocks
[07:14] <PriceChild> I am here.... just not really around imbrandon... i will check those links thanks :)
[07:14] <nixternal> imbrandon: im gonna have a knemo merge done here in a few, and tonio isn't around, so if i supply you with the debdiff, you mind looking at it?
[07:14] <PriceChild> i love hobbsee )
[07:14] <imbrandon> LaserJock: ye i think a general session on "where to start" would be good, as most are well enough off to specialize and ask questions after they get into it a bit
[07:14] <LaserJock> PriceChild, secretlondon, nixternal : you might be interested in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics
[07:14] <nixternal> im test buildin' it now
[07:14] <PriceChild> thanks
[07:14] <zul> imbrandon: dude its just not women who are smarter than you :)
[07:14] <imbrandon> zul: hahaha
[07:14] <LaserJock> zul: hahahaha
[07:15] <nixternal> obvioulsy you haven't met the sharp pointy stick of doom
[07:15] <nixternal> LaserJock: i was in that class ;)  already have the main pointers written in my notes section of my printed upg homey ;p
[07:15] <secretlondon> nixternal: I have, but it was always wielded at other people
[07:16] <LaserJock> nixternal: what a nerd ;p
[07:16] <nixternal> if you look through the log, you will see my crying about debuild -S and my gpg key being a moron
[07:16] <PriceChild> I've got to make a feisty pbuilder environment haven't i....
[07:16] <nixternal> doh
[07:16] <LaserJock> yes :-)
[07:16] <PriceChild> he he
[07:16] <imbrandon> PriceChild: yes
[07:16] <nixternal> ok mini-me
[07:17] <LaserJock> heh
[07:17] <nixternal> yes PriceChild
[07:17] <PriceChild> how do i get rid of the one i just made in a moment of stupidity with "sudo pbuilder create "
[07:17] <imbrandon> PriceChild: you can just leave it, its not a big deal to have more than one
[07:17] <imbrandon> i ahve 4 or 5 or 6
[07:17] <nixternal> i have the multiple setup (which if you follow the wiki page, it will more than likely hose you around a little bit, so i will edit that soon once i am ironed out myself)
[07:17] <imbrandon> for diffrent os's
[07:17] <PriceChild> It doesn't take too much space does it?
[07:18] <imbrandon> PriceChild: last i looked about 200mb a peice for a basic setup
[07:18] <LaserJock> a pbuilder usually runs 50-100MB packed
[07:18] <nixternal> sudo rm -rf /var/cache/pbuilder
[07:18] <nixternal> ;P
[07:18] <imbrandon> nixternal: NOOOOOOOOO
[07:18] <LaserJock> 200MB?
[07:18] <fernando> hehehe
[07:18] <imbrandon> LaserJock: unpacked
[07:18] <nixternal> probaby not the right way
[07:18] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[07:18] <nixternal> hehe
[07:18] <nixternal> imbrandon: nerd ;p
[07:18] <PriceChild> ok removed... starting again :)
[07:18] <PriceChild> thanks
[07:18] <imbrandon> nixternal: redneck nerd to you
[07:19] <LaserJock> the actual pbuilder environment is called base.tgz
[07:19] <imbrandon> :)
[07:19] <nixternal> thats even scarier
[07:20] <nixternal> imbrandon: i picture deliverance merged with sneakers
[07:20] <nixternal> my god i just wet myself in fear of that one
[07:22] <nixternal> imbrandon: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/pkg/knemo_0.4.6-1.debdiff
[07:22] <imbrandon> k lemme finish this gaphor
[07:23] <nixternal> roger that
[07:27] <Laser_away> meeting time :/
[07:27] <Laser_away> hopefully this will take less then 4 hrs
[07:28] <Burgwork> Laser_away: meeting?
[07:28] <Laser_away> 2 2hr meetings back to back
[07:28] <Laser_away> RL
[07:28] <imbrandon> wow
[07:29] <Laser_away> yeah, my life is a series of meetings
[07:29] <Laser_away> and I'm only a grad student
[07:35] <nixternal> heh, im in a package right now, and i lost myself
[07:35] <nixternal> hehe
[07:35] <nixternal> i hate telephones
[07:46] <slytherin> imbrandon: ping
[07:47] <psusi> does anyone know of a stress tool that will randomly create and delete files to excercize a filesystem?
[07:47] <secretlondon> windows?
[07:48] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:48] <imbrandon> slytherin: pong
[07:50] <enyc> NOTE: not sure where is the right place for this message...     packages.ubuntu.com appears te be misbehaving!   see  http://packages.ubuntu.com/prboom  then  http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/games/prboom  -- see version numbers!
[07:50] <PriceChild> Hey imbrandon?
[07:51] <imbrandon> ?
[07:51] <PriceChild> just got back
[07:51] <PriceChild> I installed the xvidcap deb from the SF... and it works flawlessely
[07:51] <PriceChild> (i can't spell or package ;) )
[07:51] <imbrandon> heh, ok , grab the source for that deb, and build it in pbuilder
[07:52] <imbrandon> if it builds fine then upload it to revu
[07:52] <PriceChild> Ok :)
[07:52] <PriceChild> uuu..
[07:52] <PriceChild> one little thing
[07:52] <imbrandon> ?
[07:52] <PriceChild> wait no doesn't matter
[07:52] <PriceChild> answered my own question :)
[07:52] <slytherin> imbrandon: You were to help me with pbuilder
[07:52] <imbrandon> heh
[07:52] <imbrandon> slytherin: sure what do you need ?
[07:52] <PriceChild> now to learn how to use pbuilder! :)
[07:52] <PriceChild> cya
[07:53] <slytherin> imbrandon: We discussed it just before you went out for food. How to install a package in pbuilder env.
[07:54] <imbrandon> ahh right, ok you need to copy the deb to say your home dir then " pbuilder login --save-after-login --bindmount /home/username "
[07:54] <imbrandon> then you can dpkg -i the deb as normal, exit the pbuilder
[07:54] <imbrandon> and it will be installed in your pbuilder then
[07:55] <slytherin> imbrandon: let me try
[07:56] <PriceChild> imbrandon: am i meant to be changing the changelog at all? Or should i skip this section?
[07:57] <PriceChild> and control...? its already got the debian folder etc.
[07:57] <imbrandon> PriceChild: no grab the source for the deb first, e.g. the *.dsc *.diff.gz *.orig.tar.gz and build it with no changes
[07:57] <imbrandon> like pbuilder build *.dsc
[07:58] <PriceChild> ah ok yeah...
[07:58] <PriceChild> problem being sourceforge only has tar.gz
[07:58] <imbrandon> make sure it builds, you only need to change the chagelog if you change something
[07:58] <PriceChild> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=81535
[07:58] <imbrandon> PriceChild: then you will need to email the author and get the packaging dir
[07:58] <PriceChild> he he ok :)
[07:59] <PriceChild> he seems to be quite active (latest version yday) so should get back to me soon hopefully :)
[07:59] <imbrandon> sure, you have a few months untill the first freeze , so no rushes
[08:00] <PriceChild> he he
[08:00] <PriceChild> quicker the better
[08:01] <fowlduck> howdy
[08:01] <imbrandon> heya fowlduck
[08:01] <imbrandon> brb afk
[08:06] <psusi> is there a way to randomize a file instead of sort it into order?
[08:07] <psusi> like do the reverse of sort
[08:16] <minghua> psusi: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/shuffle/
[08:18] <CarlFK> if someone needs a 64 bit version of libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 - can they just apt-get source and dpkg-buildpackage to make a 64 bit deb?
[08:18] <minghua> psusi: also see bogosort and random-lines package
[08:39] <obenbohne> hi Seveas!
[09:04] <nixternal> imbrandon: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/pkg/kdiff3_0.9.90-4.debdiff
[09:10] <psusi> heh, thanks minghua but I already managed to come up with a little shell snippit to do it for me ;)
[09:10] <psusi> god I love bash
[09:10] <jekil> hi, i am searching a MOTU mentor for security tools packages
[09:10] <psusi> ls to a temp file, wc to coun the lines, and $RANDOM to pick a random line number, tail and head to extract that line and I've got a random file
[09:16] <Adri2000> I'm taking a package from debian to replace the package which was created for ubuntu, what should I do with the changelogs?
[09:18] <enyc> *** somebody please tell me where is the right place to query/speak/emial/post-bug/complain/whatever  about the discrepancies I am seeing on the  http://packages.ubuntu.com/ site at this time ;-)
[09:18] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: can it be synced?
[09:18] <LaserJock> enyc: how out of sync is it?
[09:18] <Admiral_Chicago> can what be synced?
[09:19] <Admiral_Chicago> i could give it a shot
[09:19] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: sorry dude, I was meaning Adri2000
[09:19] <Admiral_Chicago> LaserJock: it's cool
[09:19] <pygi> vil: hello
[09:19] <enyc> LaserJock: not sure.. but here is a definite discrepancy:-
[09:19] <LaserJock> enyc: there often is on packages.ubuntu.com
[09:20] <LaserJock> especially with the dev release
[09:20] <Adri2000> LaserJock: there are some modifications to do to make it work correctly with ubuntu
[09:20] <enyc> LaserJock: first see  http://packages.ubuntu.com/prboom  -- notice fiesty 2.4.6-whatnot...  then see  http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/games/prboom  ...  what is going on?
[09:20] <enyc> LaserJock: i appreciate fiesty universe (not multiverse necessarially) was only synced recently
[09:21] <LaserJock> enyc: what I'm saying is that packages.ubuntu.com is separate from the actual archives
[09:21] <LaserJock> enyc: if you really want to know use Launchpad
[09:21] <enyc> LaserJock: hrrm but BOTH the urls I ma looking at are  packages.ubuntu.com
[09:22] <LaserJock> enyc: sure
[09:22] <enyc> LaserJock: there is an inconsistency between 2 ursls on  http://packages.ubuntu.com/  ... im confused still
[09:22] <LaserJock> enyc: I realize that
[09:22] <enyc> LaserJock: how does this work then?  what technically is going on  for both the URLs I gave?   what databases are involved?
[09:22] <LaserJock> enyc: what I'm saying is don't rely on packages.ubuntu.com for up-to-date package ingo
[09:22] <plugwash> enyc what descrepencies?
[09:23] <LaserJock> enyc: that is not run by canonical or the Ubuntu development community
[09:23] <enyc> plugwash:  first see  http://packages.ubuntu.com/prboom  -- notice fiesty 2.4.6-whatnot...  then see  http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/games/prboom  ... discrepanncy
[09:23] <LaserJock> enyc: there is a link at the bottom of the page to report problems
[09:23] <LaserJock> enyc: this has nothing to do with us
[09:23] <enyc> LaserJock: I see I see...  launchpad has ubuntu maintenance
[09:24] <enyc> LaserJock: ok.. hence why I was asking where is the right place to ask/query/report bug  about this ;-)
[09:25] <LaserJock> enyc: and the answer is no, but also what I'm trying to say is that packages.u.c is not the best place to be looking for package info on the dev release
[09:25] <enyc> LaserJock: I see I see
[09:25] <LaserJock> :-)
[09:26] <Adri2000> LaserJock: the package is debian is still at its first version (initial version), so maybe I could merge the two changelogs, and in the ubuntu1, I could mention "now using the debian package", what do you think?
[09:26] <Adri2000> s/is debian/in debian/
[09:27] <LaserJock> Adri2000: if you merge the Debian version keep the Debian changelog
[09:27] <LaserJock> and add on a new entry describing the changes you made
[09:28] <Adri2000> yes yes, the changelog will be: ... -0ubuntu1, -1, -1ubuntu1
[09:28] <geser> Adri2000: afaik you don't need to keep the ubuntu changelog entries if doing a sync with debian (keep them only when doing a merge)
[09:29] <LaserJock> Adri2000: <debian version>-ubuntu1
[09:29] <LaserJock> geser: he's doing a merge
[09:30] <Adri2000> hmm, I won't merge the sources
[09:30] <LaserJock> Adri2000: how big are the differences?
[09:31] <LaserJock> it's generally a best practice to start from the Debian source package
[09:31] <Adri2000> that's what I want to do
[09:31] <Adri2000> differences: https://patches.ubuntu.com/b/briquolo/briquolo_0.5.5-0ubuntu1.patch
[09:33] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't see anything spectacular
[09:34] <LaserJock> I think you might be able to just sync that
[09:34] <Adri2000> the .desktop file doesn't work in ubuntu
[09:34] <LaserJock> it works in Debian?
[09:35] <psusi> wow.... 46% noncontiguous filesystem....
[09:35] <LaserJock> Adri2000: is the .desktop file in the packaging?
[09:36] <Adri2000> yes and it is installed in /usr/share/games/applications/
[09:37] <LaserJock> oh yes, I remember something about that
[09:37] <Adri2000> and it doesn't appear in the menu because the right place is /usr/share/applications/
[09:37] <LaserJock> ok, so grab the Debian source and fix the install path :-)
[09:37] <Adri2000> and what about the changelog? :p
[09:37] <LaserJock> use the debian changelog
[09:37] <LaserJock> and add your's to the top
[09:38] <Sp4rKy> hi there
[09:38] <Adri2000> and so no trace of the old ubuntu package in the changelog? :/
[09:38] <LaserJock> right
[09:39] <Adri2000> it will look like the package is in ubuntu since feisty but it's wrong
[09:39] <LaserJock> just put something like "replacing old Ubuntu package"
[09:39] <Adri2000> ok
[09:39] <LaserJock> just so people know what's going on
[09:40] <Adri2000> right :)
[09:40] <Adri2000> Sp4rKy: hi :)
[09:40] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:40] <LaserJock> I guess it could go both ways :/
[09:41] <psusi> hrm... how can you background one task of a pipeline but still have it die with the rest of the pipeline when you ctrl-c?
[09:41] <Sp4rKy> o/ Adri2000 :)
[09:42] <psusi> I tried grouping it with () bug that leaves the background task running and doesn't even list it in jobs
[09:43] <psusi> s/bug/but
[09:44] <rmjb> hello, someone reviewed my package on REVU: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3446 and advised I split out the libraries... I can't remember seeing that mentioned in the packaging guide, is there another guide that shows how this can be done?
[09:46] <LaserJock> rmjb: not particularly
[09:46] <LaserJock> rmjb: are you using debhelper?
[09:47] <rmjb> cdbs for that one
[09:47] <psusi> take a look at another package that splits into multiple binary targets for an example
[09:47] <psusi> like e2fsprogs
[09:47] <LaserJock> rmjb: basically it involves adding more binary sections to debian/control
[09:47] <psusi> it splits into like 3 applications packages, a lib package, a udeb
[09:48] <LaserJock> and some modifications to say which files should go with which binary package
[09:48] <psusi> LaserJock: and modifying the rules makefile to only copy the correct files into the correct binary target
[09:48] <rmjb> cool, I'll take a look...
[09:49] <rmjb> generally anything that goes into /usr/lib or the like goes into a lib package?
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> dholbach: can i talk to you for a sec about accessbility
[09:49] <rmjb> because the comment on revu only mentioned specific libraries where there's much more
[09:49] <dholbach> Admiral_Chicago: I'm currently in a meeting
[09:49] <psusi> rmjb: yea... that way other packages that use those libraries can depend on the library package, rather than the entire thing ( libs and apps )
[09:50] <Admiral_Chicago> is there a channel i can meet you in later? motu work?
[09:50] <dholbach> Admiral_Chicago: can I propose you talk to heno or themuso or write to ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com ?
[09:50] <dholbach> Admiral_Chicago: or drop me a mail?
[09:50] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll email the list
[09:50] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[09:50] <dholbach> thanks a lot
[09:50] <rmjb> psusi: thanks
[09:51] <rmjb> while I have some attention, can a motu take a look at my other package on REVU? and leave comments or advocate? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3449
[10:07] <Adri2000> config.{sub,guess} in .diff.gz in a package from debian :/
[10:09] <Adri2000> contributors missing in debian/copyright and AUTHORS not in debian/docs
[10:09] <Adri2000> in the same package :-/
[10:09] <enyc> Laser_away: thankyou for comments earlier... email sent r.e. packages.ubuntu.com which I now know is not hosted by canonical / ubuntu-community etc.
[10:18] <TheMuso> Admiral_Chicago: Hey there. What are you interested in accessibility wise?
[10:18] <Admiral_Chicago> TheMuso: i want to be able to use the keyboard completly
[10:19] <Admiral_Chicago> say i was to unplug the mouse, I want tho OS to be fully fuctional still
[10:19] <TheMuso> Admiral_Chicago: Ok, come into #ubuntu-accessibility and we can discuss it further.
[10:21] <ajmitch> morning
[10:22] <Burgwork> morning ajmitch
[10:37] <Hobbsee> morning all
[10:40] <obenbohne> hi Seveas
[10:43] <giskard> hi Hobbsee  ajmitch
[10:44] <nixternal> pwnd
[10:44] <giskard> where i can find a compelete list of REVU packages?
[10:44] <Hobbsee> er...on REVU?
[10:44] <giskard> Hobbsee, yes, i need a link
[10:44] <ajmitch> !revu
[10:44] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[10:44] <Hobbsee> !revu
[10:44] <ajmitch> too slow
[10:44] <giskard> im too lazy fo find it by myself ;)
[10:44] <Hobbsee> seems so
[10:44] <giskard> ajmitch, :*
[10:45] <PriceChild> Hey Hobbsee
[10:45] <PriceChild> imbrandon: hello?
[10:46] <Hobbsee> hey PriceChild!
[10:46] <PriceChild> I'm getting somewhere...
[10:46] <PriceChild> imbrandon's been patient in helping me earlier :)
[10:46] <PriceChild> anyway...
[10:46] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[10:46] <bhale> yay Hobbsee
[10:46] <PriceChild> the standard deb for xvidcap installs fine
[10:46] <giskard> hello bhale
[10:46] <PriceChild> so imbrandon got me to get those 3 files we need to submit for revu...
[10:46] <Hobbsee> hey bhale!
[10:46] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: :)
[10:46] <PriceChild> tar.gz dsc and the other one
[10:47] <PriceChild> They weren't availiable on SF so i PMd the author for help
[10:47] <Hobbsee> no, they arent.  you create them
[10:48] <PriceChild> he he.. imbrandon didn't tell me that one ;)
[10:48] <PriceChild> the author gave me instructions on how to get it from the original source so I'm going to try that now :)
[10:51] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: I've unpacked the tar.gz and made a copy which I've removed the "debian" folder from
[10:51] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: yep
[10:51] <PriceChild> not sure how to use diff on this though...
[10:51] <Hobbsee> ugh, upstream is giving a debian dir?
[10:51] <PriceChild> diff xvidcap-1.1.4p1/ xvidcap-1.1.4p1.orig/
[10:52] <PriceChild> didn't do much
[10:52] <PriceChild> yeah
[10:52] <Hobbsee> nah, that'd just give you debian/
[10:52] <Hobbsee> well, should
[10:52] <PriceChild> Only in xvidcap-1.1.4p1.orig/: debian
[10:52] <Hobbsee> yep
[10:52] <PriceChild> then a few "Common subdirectories: "
[10:52] <Hobbsee> !packagingguide
[10:52] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[10:53] <PriceChild> I'll pastebin what the author sent me
[10:53] <Hobbsee> cool
[10:53] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: ask him to remove it, anyway
[10:54] <PriceChild> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32407/
[10:54] <PriceChild> remove what?
[10:55] <Hobbsee> the debian/ dir
[10:55] <Hobbsee> then you dont have to repackage it
[10:56] <PriceChild> ok yeah that's what he said
[10:56] <PriceChild> then to do a diff between it and the other to gain a diff.gz
[10:57] <PriceChild> so should i remove the debian, then tar it back up... then do a diff between the two tars?
[10:57] <PriceChild> (the one without the "debian" being *.orig.tar.gz)
[10:58] <bhale> no?
[10:58] <bhale> dpkg-buildpackage does all of this
[10:58] <bhale> have you read one of the packaging guides
[10:58] <PriceChild> I have, but not one that applies to this (that i can see)
[11:00] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: nope.
[11:00] <PriceChild> Hobbsee?
[11:00] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: ugh, that's annoying
[11:01] <PriceChild> baptism of fire :)
[11:01] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: you've got the untarred .tar.gz, right?
[11:01] <PriceChild> yup
[11:01] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: right, retar that, without the debian/ dir in it, and call it packagename_upstreamversionnumber.orig.tar.gz
[11:01] <PriceChild> Ok yeah
[11:01] <Hobbsee> where retar is making it a .tar.gz, not just a .tar
[11:03] <PriceChild> I just made a copy, renamed it then openned it in archive manager and removed the debian folder in there... less hastle... hope that's sufficient?
[11:03] <Hobbsee> yeah, that works
[11:03] <PriceChild> gd gd
[11:03] <PriceChild> now diff?
[11:03] <Hobbsee> the md5sum on it will be different anyway.  *glares at the maintainer*
[11:03] <PriceChild> ha ha
[11:04] <Hobbsee> now you can use the debian/ dir that was provided, and follow http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[11:04] <PriceChild> ok
[11:04] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: basically, you want to split packaging and source
[11:04] <PriceChild> and just not worry about md5sums
[11:04] <PriceChild> Hobbsee you just confused me compeltely there :)
[11:05] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: packaging == debian dir, source == the rest, the stuff you download off the website
[11:05] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: else you could just be adding random bits into the source, instead of just into the packaging, and i could never verify that what i downloaded off a website was the same as your package, minus debian/
[11:06] <Hobbsee> if that makes any sense
[11:06] <PriceChild> that last bit makes sense
[11:06] <PriceChild> I'm sorry if i'm being really really dense... but cannot understand which bits of the guide apply to what you just tole me
[11:06] <PriceChild> *told
[11:06] <Hobbsee> it's fine
[11:06] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, right
[11:07] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: you want the stuff under http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-chap.html
[11:08] <Hobbsee> i'd probably do it with debhelper
[11:08] <PriceChild> ok
[11:08] <PriceChild> thanks :)
[11:09] <Hobbsee> not a problem
[11:09] <PriceChild> ok... i do dh_make inside the original tar?
[11:09] <PriceChild> or the "orig" one that i removed debian from?
[11:10] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: the latter.  you shouldnt actually have to, depending on how good the current debian dir is.
[11:10] <Hobbsee> where's the link to it?
[11:10] <PriceChild> he he ok :)
[11:11] <PriceChild> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=81535&package_id=83441
[11:14] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[11:15] <Hobbsee> it appears that sourceforge has broken
[11:15] <PriceChild> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/xvidcap/xvidcap-1.1.4p1.tar.gz?modtime=1163715043&big_mirror=0
[11:15] <PriceChild> does that work?
[11:16] <PriceChild> that download link still work
[11:16] <PriceChild> s
[11:16] <PriceChild> use it while its there! :)
[11:16] <Hobbsee> oh, so it does
[11:18] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  looks reasonable
[11:18] <Hobbsee> few things need fixing on it
[11:18] <giskard> siretart, ajmitch http://revu.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi
[11:18] <PriceChild> like the "unstable" > "feisty" and things?
[11:19] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: run dch -i inside the source directory, and do that bit
[11:19] <Hobbsee> yeah, you need another changelog entry
[11:19] <PriceChild> ok....
[11:19] <Hobbsee> change the debhelper dep to version >5
[11:19] <Hobbsee> compat to 5, not 4
[11:19] <PriceChild> so you want me to dch -i on a clean source?
[11:19] <PriceChild> including debian?
[11:19] <Hobbsee> you've got it untarred, right?
[11:19] <PriceChild> yeah
[11:20] <PriceChild> but shall i untar it again and keep the debian folder?
[11:20] <Hobbsee> then you want to add the debian dir, and fix the debian dir, so it'll pass quality control
[11:20] <PriceChild> the original author's debian?
[11:20] <Hobbsee> er...i guess you could.
[11:20] <PriceChild> :)
[11:20] <Hobbsee> bhale: help :P
[11:20] <PriceChild> he he
[11:20] <Hobbsee> you want to keep it, and use it, but you *dont* want it in the orig.tar.gz
[11:20] <PriceChild> ok
[11:21] <Hobbsee> and that's a *really* weird way to do the patching
[11:21] <plugwash> Hobbsee why don't you wan't it in the orig.tar.gz?
[11:22] <Hobbsee> plugwash: because it involves changing the original tarball, as you have to make changes to upload it.  see http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-mistakes.html for why *that's* bad
[11:22] <PriceChild> Ok so i need to change "unstable" to "feisty" ?
[11:23] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: having fun? :-)
[11:23] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: the -i part of dch will increment it to give you a new changelog entry.  yes you do
[11:23] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: heh.  it's better than me having to do it myself :P
[11:23] <PriceChild> what shall i put as the summary?
[11:23] <PriceChild> next to the *
[11:24] <Hobbsee> (this isnt in debian already, is it?)
[11:24] <PriceChild> "Patched for Ubuntu"?
[11:24] <PriceChild> Nope :)
[11:24] <PriceChild> don't worry
[11:24] <Hobbsee> oh good
[11:24] <PriceChild> someone tried to get it in 2 years ago and it got stuck in limbo
[11:24] <Hobbsee> Packaged for Ubuntu
[11:24] <PriceChild> they won't touch it
[11:24] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[11:24] <Hobbsee> marilliat stuff, yeah
[11:24] <PriceChild> cuz ffmpeg is inside it
[11:24] <Hobbsee> (the guy who did the debian/ folder)
[11:24] <Hobbsee> yep
[11:25] <LaserJock> ewww
[11:25] <Hobbsee> hrm.  that might be fun.  but we'll get to that
[11:25] <PriceChild> eep:           warning: your current directory has been renamed to:
[11:25] <PriceChild> ../xvidcap-1.1.4p2
[11:25] <PriceChild> that's not good is it?
[11:25] <PriceChild> this is p1
[11:25] <Hobbsee> that's fine
[11:25] <PriceChild> ok
[11:25] <Hobbsee> the version should be
[11:26] <Hobbsee> 1.14p1-0ubuntu1 though
[11:26] <Hobbsee> (versioning is later in that guide)
[11:26] <PriceChild> he he yeah
[11:26] <Hobbsee> hrm....
[11:26] <Hobbsee> this is weird
[11:26] <Hobbsee> !info kvpnc edgy
[11:26] <ubotu> kvpnc: vpn clients frontend for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.5.1-1 (edgy), package size 1374 kB, installed size 3924 kB
[11:27] <Hobbsee> i dont get it...
[11:27] <Hobbsee> FOUND IT!
[11:27] <Hobbsee> found the source of the weirdness.
[11:27] <PriceChild> ?
[11:28] <Hobbsee> just something that i was working on
[11:28] <PriceChild> he he ok :)
[11:28] <PriceChild> so where do i rejoin the guide?
[11:29] <LaserJock> PriceChild: don't worry, she just likes talking to herself
[11:29] <PriceChild> @lart LaserJock & Hobbsee
[11:29] <ubuntu-es> PriceChild: Error: "lart" is not a valid command.
[11:29] <crimsun> pay no attention to LaserJock. Those shifty deities of MOTU cannot be trusted.
[11:29] <PriceChild> argh :(
[11:29] <Hobbsee> haha
[11:30] <LaserJock> crimsun: shifty am i?
[11:30] <PriceChild> go away ubuntu-es... i want Ubugtu :P
[11:30] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: do you know how the autosyncer works?  does it go on distro, or on version number?
[11:30] <Hobbsee> yes, why is ubuntu-es
[11:30] <Hobbsee> in here...
[11:30] <PriceChild> lol
[11:30] <Hobbsee> no more Ubugtu
[11:30] <PriceChild> :O you banned Ubugtu :'(
[11:30] <Hobbsee> nah...just quieted..
[11:30] <PriceChild> he he
[11:31] <PriceChild> anyway not sure where to rejoin this guide
[11:31] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: well, technically it's not auto exactly
[11:31] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: true.
[11:31] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: um, not sure
[11:32] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: but I guess it says, is there an older version in Feisty than in Sid and there is no ubuntuX
[11:32] <PriceChild> because there should be all the /debian files in there already... shouldn't have to change those should i?
[11:32] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: you'll have to change some of them, as they're out of date
[11:32] <PriceChild> hmm ok
[11:32] <ajmitch> dholbach!
[11:32] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach!
[11:32] <chillywilly> hi ajmitchie
[11:33] <dholbach> hey guys
[11:34] <Hobbsee> dget is cool
[11:34] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: ah right, that's a point
[11:35] <LaserJock> I want to mix dget and madison-lite together
[11:36] <LaserJock> so I can do something like dgrab sid plotdrop
[11:36] <PriceChild> Hobbsee... do i have to add the debhelper to the build depends and things?
[11:36] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: it should already be there
[11:36] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: that'd be nice.  it'd also be nice if madison/madison-lite recognised feisty as a distro
[11:37] <PriceChild> so it is
[11:38] <PriceChild> so i need to change "Source: xvidcap" to "Source: xvidcap-debhelper"
[11:38] <pygi> e
[11:39] <PriceChild> change "Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 3.3.4), libgtk2.0-dev," to Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4), libgtk2.0-dev,
[11:40] <PriceChild> is that right Hobbsee/
[11:40] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: >5, but yeah
[11:40] <PriceChild> almost :)
[11:40] <PriceChild> ">5" or ">=5"?
[11:41] <PriceChild> (with a space)
[11:42] <Hobbsee> the latter, sorry
[11:42] <fernando> hi all
[11:42] <PriceChild> he he... :)
[11:44] <PriceChild> Hobbsee even though I haven't made a debhelper tar.gz I should still be following this part of the guide?
[11:44] <Hobbsee> yes
[11:44] <Hobbsee> oh dear, i'm an idiot..
[11:44] <PriceChild> its referring me to my other tar.gz, saying this "copyright" file will be different etc.
[11:45] <PriceChild> You're not... I'm just being extremely difficult :)
[11:46] <Hobbsee> the other one shouldnt have a copyright file?  i'm lost
[11:47] <PriceChild> he he
[11:47] <PriceChild> Ok i've got 2 tars
[11:47] <PriceChild> original d/l
[11:47] <PriceChild> and .orig.tar.gz which is missing its debian directory
[11:48] <PriceChild> I'm inside the folder which the original download (inc debian) was extracted to
[11:48] <PriceChild> i ran the command to update the changelog
[11:48] <PriceChild> I've just changed control also
[11:49] <PriceChild> wait no....
[11:49] <PriceChild> i'm inside the folder without debian
[11:50] <PriceChild> and i ran dch -i
[11:50] <PriceChild> which can't be right...
[11:51] <PriceChild> ok it is...
[11:51] <PriceChild> it had debian in before
[11:51] <PriceChild> because its still got the original copyright etc.
[11:52] <PriceChild> ok so now all i've got to do is look at rules
[11:58] <Hobbsee> yep
[11:58] <PriceChild> wait a min...
[11:58] <PriceChild> when i ran dch -i
[11:59] <PriceChild> i didn't change the versioning to -0ubuntu1
[11:59] <PriceChild> should i change that in control and rename the folder?
[12:00] <PriceChild> Hobbsee
[12:01] <Hobbsee> the folder will auto rename.  yes, you should change it
[12:01] <Hobbsee> it'll reject if you dont
[12:01] <conall> anyone here able to look at REVU for me please?
[12:01] <pygi> conall: sure, what ya need?
[12:01] <PriceChild> (it did change it to -p2... which it isn't... changing it to -p1-0ubuntu1)
[12:02] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: correct.  it's a debian thing
[12:02] <Hobbsee> ie, that it's changing to -p2
[12:02] <conall> pygi: I keep getting an error when I try to dput my .changes file
[12:02] <conall> Uploading to revu (via ftp to revu.tauware.de):
[12:02] <conall>   queuegraph_1.1.1-3.dsc:
[12:02] <conall> Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of queuegraph_1.1.1-3.dsc
[12:02] <pygi> conall: have you already uploaded it once?
[12:02] <conall> I did, but it never appeared on the web frontend
[12:03] <pygi> conall: you joined the right LP team, and made admin re-sync keyrings?
[12:04] <conall> I'm on the LP team and I think my key is synced.
[12:04] <pygi> conall: first, you should wait some time before it appears. second, what's your package name?
[12:05] <conall> I joined the LP team in Sept, 2 months should be enough time :)
[12:05] <conall> package is called queuegraph
[12:05] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - xvidcap-debhelper and xvidcap
[12:06] <PriceChild> where else should the name be changed to xvidcap-debhelper other than control?
[12:06] <LaserJock> conall: btw, that's not a correct version number for Ubuntu
[12:06] <pygi> conall: hm, no package really.
[12:06] <conall> scanning the wiki docs don't say I have to rename my debian package if it simply works on both Debian and Ubuntu
[12:07] <conall> *rename my package revision
[12:07] <Burgwork> conall: if your package is in debian, request a sync
[12:07] <Burgwork> if you want to make local ubuntu changes, upload a -XubuntuY version to Ubuntu
[12:07] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: sorry?  where's xvidcap-debhelper come into it?
[12:08] <PriceChild> when i asked if i had to change xvidcap to xvidcap-debhelper as the wiki example suggested you said i should...
[12:08] <conall> Yeah, a sync is probably easier. Probably best to wait until my current package version moved from Debian's incoming to sid first though
[12:08] <PriceChild> guessing i shouldn't have?
[12:09] <LaserJock> conall: yeah, for sure. If it's in or going to be in Debian it's much easier to sync
[12:09] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: ok switched it back to xvidcap
[12:10] <PriceChild> ran a "debuild -S"
[12:10] <PriceChild> worked much better....
[12:10] <PriceChild> but still not right
[12:10] <Hobbsee> why so, not right?