[09:24] <Kvek> hello
[09:25] <Kvek> I need some help please
[09:28] <Burgundavia> Kvek: what is your issue?
[09:29] <Kvek> i recieved my disk a few days ago but i am having trouble installing it on my laptop
[09:29] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:29] <Burgundavia> ubuntu or edubuntu?
[09:29] <Kvek> ubuntu
[09:30] <Burgundavia> what is your issue?
[09:30] <Kvek> where is the install icon on the disk 
[09:31] <Burgundavia> on the desktop
[09:31] <Kvek> ok i run the disk but what do i do next?
[09:32] <Burgundavia> on the desktop there is an icon labelled install
[09:33] <Kvek> ok here's what i have 
[09:34] <Kvek> i have the mozilla firefox, mozilla thunderbird, abiword, Gaim, Gimp
[09:35] <Burgundavia> oh, right
[09:35] <Burgundavia> you need to reboot your computer
[09:35] <Burgundavia> select the cd as the option
[09:36] <Kvek> ok rebooting
[09:37] <Kvek> ok while rebooting should the cd be running?
[09:40] <Kvek> question does the cd drive need to be open?
[09:43] <LaserJock> keep the CD in
[09:43] <Burgundavia> drive should be closed
[09:44] <Kvek> it comes back to the same thing i said before the mozilla stuff
[09:45] <Burgundavia> when your laptop boots, make certain the cd is in the drive
[09:45] <Burgundavia> with the drive closed
[09:45] <Kvek> i did
[09:46] <Burgundavia> and it still booted into windows?
[09:46] <Kvek> yes
[09:46] <Burgundavia> reboot
[09:47] <Burgundavia> before the windows screen, see if it tells how "choose other boot device" or soemething similar
[09:47] <Kvek> nope it's starting back with win 98
[09:48] <Burgundavia> you might need to enter the bios
[09:48] <Burgundavia> does it tell you how to do that?
[09:48] <Kvek> no
[09:49] <Burgundavia> try pressing esc or del at boot
[10:02] <Kvek> Toshiba Tecra 8000 with win 98
[10:02] <Burgundavia> try the f12 key
[02:27] <blue-frog> hi can I use the dvd to do a net install?
[03:13] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:14] <pygi> hello bddebian 
[03:20] <pygi> bddebian, ping :P
[03:45] <pygi> hey highvoltage 
[03:47] <bddebian> pygi: Did you ping me earlier before I got disconnected?
[03:48] <pygi> bddebian, indeed ^_^
[03:49] <highvoltage> hey pygi!
[04:01] <pygi> highvoltage, how is you ? :)
[04:03] <highvoltage> very good. just finished some work on a big project yesterday, feeling relieved ^_^
[04:03] <highvoltage> and you mr pygi?
[04:03] <pygi> highvoltage, taking some time to rest from uni, libburn for a day, and such things
[04:04] <pygi> highvoltage, will go to play ping pong soon =)
[04:04] <highvoltage> :)
[04:05] <pygi> highvoltage, I think I deserve rest. My current rythm will kill me
[04:06] <cbx33> and ubuntu
[04:06] <cbx33> any ideas?
[04:06] <pygi> cbx33, libburn logo ^_^
[04:06] <cbx33> hmmm....i think that's a little too specialised
[04:06] <pygi> actually, combine libburn logo with ubuntu one
[04:06] <pygi> cbx33, take the part where actually the ubuntu logo is being drawed
[04:07] <cbx33> highvoltage, you're good with open source promotion
[04:07] <cbx33> got any ideas?
[04:08] <pygi> highvoltage, o btw., if you've got feisty around (or edgy, we'll backport) do : sudo apt-get install brasero
[04:10] <highvoltage> cbx33: hey there, who is your target?
[04:10] <highvoltage> pygi: what is brasero?
[04:10] <cbx33> just a tee shirt for me
[04:10] <cbx33> walking round the stree
[04:10] <cbx33> t
[04:10] <cbx33> hehe
[04:10] <cbx33> casual
[04:10] <pygi> highvoltage, burning app for gnome
[04:10] <pygi> highvoltage, which has a libburn backend
[04:10] <cbx33> I want it to look classy....but....at the same time get the message across
[04:11] <highvoltage> cbx33: aah, so we want something humerous? :)
[04:11] <highvoltage> pygi: cool
[04:12] <cbx33> highvoltage, yeh
[04:13] <cbx33> highvoltage, come on man I know you can do it
[04:13] <highvoltage> cbx33: you might get some insperation from browsing through http://images.google.co.za/images?q=linux%20funny&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&sa=N&tab=wi ?
[04:14] <highvoltage> hmm... actually those seem to suck
[04:15] <cbx33> http://people.connexer.com/~roberto/linux/img/pics/olf2005/sm/olf2005-0009-sm.jpg
[04:15] <highvoltage> cbx33: this seems to be a bit better: http://images.google.co.za/images?svnum=30&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=linux+t-shirt&btnG=Search
[04:15] <highvoltage> cbx33: lol
[04:17] <cbx33> http://images.google.co.za/imgres?imgurl=http://i24.ebayimg.com/01/i/07/8f/df/37_1_b.JPG&imgrefurl=http://cgi.ebay.com/LINUX-L-T-SHIRT-In-a-world-w-o-fences-Who-needs-Gates_W0QQitemZ230002510275QQihZ013QQcategoryZ21092QQcmdZViewItem&h=292&w=400&sz=21&hl=en&start=165&tbnid=LRS8WyleoEgbWM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlinux%2Bt-shirt%26start%3D162%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D30%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dcom.ubuntu:en-U
[04:17] <cbx33> S:official%26sa%3DN
[04:17] <cbx33> whoops
[04:19] <cbx33> http://nonfiction.ig-gestaltung.de/wp-content/web20map.png
[04:19] <cbx33> that's cool
[04:19] <cbx33> we should do one for linux
[04:20] <highvoltage> cbx33: that would be cool
[05:13] <NaStYdoG> lol
[05:13] <NaStYdoG> edubuntu is for kids
[05:13] <NaStYdoG> :P
[05:21] <edubuntugirl> bye! we're going to reboot here, brb
[07:56] <theresa> hello everyone!
[07:57] <stgraber> hi
[07:58] <theresa> i have a problem: i've just installed the latest version of edubuntu on my laptop....but somehow the installation wasn't that smoothly.....and in the end it all seemed to work out ok....now it booted fine, and asks me for the login name and the password....but i don't remember that i was asked to verify a login name and password....
[07:58] <stgraber> you should have been during the installation
[07:58] <theresa> hmm
[07:58] <stgraber> just after formating the partitions
[07:58] <theresa> what can i do now?
[07:59] <pygi> theresa, you mean you havent wrote username when you were installing?
[08:00] <theresa> yeah the problem is, i got the following error message during installation
[08:00] <theresa> "Build LTSP chroot
[08:00] <theresa> No Interface for LTSP dhcpd configuration found
[08:00] <theresa> There are no free interfaces for usage with the LTSP Server. Please configure the file /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf manually to point to a valid static interface after the installation finished."
[08:00] <pygi> you should rather install workstation on a laptop, but this isnt a problem
[08:01] <stgraber> yes, it's not a problem I also had this message on my laptop and everthing worked fine
[08:01] <theresa> hmm :(
[08:01] <stgraber> and the user creation should be before the building chroot part
[08:02] <pygi> theresa, I have a solution, but quite complex I'm afraid
[08:02] <stgraber> you have : language -> hardware detection -> network -> partitioning -> formatting -> timezone -> user creation -> base system -> chroot -> end (I may have done some mistake but the idea is here)
[08:02] <stgraber> pygi: chroot ?
[08:02] <pygi> stgraber, yes, from live cd, to add an user
[08:03] <stgraber> yes, that's also the solution I see, but that's not really easy to do
[08:03] <theresa> pygi: fire away ;)
[08:03] <pygi> theresa, no, really, it's not easy :-/
[08:03] <theresa> i also have the edubuntu live cd...
[08:03] <stgraber> pygi: you can also do it with the install cd, by moving to the terminal when the partitionner is started
[08:04] <pygi> stgraber, let's not get into that :)
[08:04] <stgraber> imo, the easier way is to reinstall (as nothing was set after the install it should only be a time problem)
[08:04] <theresa> hmm what else could i do? i'm afraid if i'm reinstalling edubuntu i'll get the same problem
[08:05] <theresa> yeah but the whole installation almost cost me over an hour
[08:05] <theresa> :(
[08:06] <stgraber> if you have two computers (one on IRC and the other on the install CD) I could tell you step by step what to do to create this user
[08:07] <theresa> stgraber: yes please!
[08:07] <theresa> the laptop is in the other room, that would be no problem ;)
[08:08] <stgraber> so, boot the install CD and choose the same option until you are in the partitioner (do not do partitionning !!!)
[08:08] <pygi> stgraber, just instruct her how to use chroot to fix problem pls
[08:08] <pygi> stgraber, uh, no pls :(
[08:09] <stgraber> pygi: what's the problem ?
[08:09] <pygi> stgraber, just give her the solution with chroot. much saner IMHO
[08:10] <stgraber> pygi: it's my chroot solution, as she doesn't have the livecd
[08:10] <pygi> ah, ok
[08:10] <theresa> i have the livecd
[08:10] <stgraber> pygi: the partionner step means the paritions are detected and can be mounted
[08:10] <theresa> the live AND the install cd...i burned them both
[08:11] <pygi> stgraber, I understand, but nevermind
[08:11] <pygi> let's help her
[08:11] <stgraber> theresa: boot the one you want :)
[08:11] <theresa> ok, i'll boot the live cd
[08:14] <theresa> ok, then?
[08:14] <stgraber> What installation did you do ? "Install to disk" or "Workstation" (I'm checking this user creation problem)
[08:15] <theresa> stgraber: install to harddisk
[08:15] <stgraber> ok, so now open a Terminal
[08:15] <stgraber> hi RichJ 
[08:19] <stgraber> theresa: Did you open a terminal ? (accessories -> Terminal)
[08:19] <theresa> i'm sorry it takes so long, but the laptop takes ages to load the livecd.....but we're almost there
[08:20] <theresa> 1 minute ;)
[08:20] <stgraber> ok :)
[08:20] <theresa> ok, opened the terminal
[08:20] <stgraber> then : sudo -s
[08:21] <stgraber> do you know on what partition is the system installed ?
[08:22] <theresa> hmm
[08:23] <theresa> not really, i think i forgot the exact name
[08:23] <theresa> hda5 maybe
[08:23] <theresa> but that's just a guess
[08:23] <stgraber> Do you have anything else on that disk ?
[08:23] <theresa> no
[08:24] <stgraber> ok, did you choose the automatic partitionning ?
[08:24] <theresa> i have an 75 gb ext3 partition and a 500mb swap
[08:24] <theresa> no, i partioned with gparted
[08:24] <stgraber> ok, so the system should be hda1 and the swap hda2
[08:25] <theresa> yeah probably...but i think i slightly remember something with hda5 or so
[08:25] <stgraber> anyway it won't work if that's false so : mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt
[08:25] <theresa> how can i look up the partition tables?
[08:25] <stgraber> gparted should be on the live cd
[08:26] <theresa> ok
[08:26] <theresa> i'll try that now
[08:26] <theresa> it worked a treat with hda5
[08:26] <theresa> :)
[08:27] <stgraber> :), so now : chroot /mnt
[08:28] <theresa> ok
[08:30] <theresa> what next?
[08:30] <stgraber> adduser yourusername
[08:30] <stgraber> it will ask for a password and some other details
[08:31] <theresa> excellent :D
[08:31] <theresa> and what now?
[08:31] <stgraber> then : adduser yourusername admin dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner adm
[08:31] <stgraber> :)
[08:31] <stgraber> to add yourusername to the groups :)
[08:34] <theresa> adduser: only one or two usernames allowed
[08:35] <stgraber> ok, so you have to do all the group one by one
[08:35] <stgraber> adduser yourusername admin
[08:35] <stgraber> adduser yourusername dialout
[08:35] <stgraber> ...
[08:35] <theresa> ok
[08:36] <theresa> adduser: the group "admin" doesn't exist
[08:36] <stgraber> hmm, that's pretty bad :(
[08:36] <stgraber> addgroup admin
[08:36] <stgraber> then : adduser yourusername admin
[08:36] <stgraber> but admin should exist
[08:36] <theresa> ok
[08:36] <theresa> should i add all groups like that?
[08:36] <stgraber> only if they don't exist yes
[08:37] <theresa> ok
[08:37] <stgraber> something really went wrong during your installation
[08:38] <theresa> pah now it says  "the group admin already exists"
[08:38] <stgraber> hmm
[08:38] <stgraber> and of course adduser still doesn't work ?
[08:39] <theresa> you mean "adduser theresa admin"
[08:39] <theresa> ?
[08:39] <stgraber> yes
[08:40] <theresa> ok, now it all worked.........magic!
[08:42] <theresa> ok, and now?
[08:42] <stgraber> ok, so your user is in all the groups ?
[08:43] <theresa> yep
[08:43] <theresa> all the groups you mentioned before!
[08:43] <stgraber> ok, so close the terminal and reboot
[08:43] <theresa> ok
[08:46] <theresa> thankyou!!!!!! thank you stgraber!
[08:46] <theresa> it worked!
[08:46] <stgraber> no problem :)
[08:46] <theresa> i'll go offline now here...as my brother needs the pc...but i'll be back with the laptop!
[08:46] <theresa> brb....
[08:46] <stgraber> ok
[08:53] <theresa2> ok, so i'm now back
[08:55] <theresa2> but it seems like for example a "sudo apt-get install kopete" won't work :(
[08:57] <LaserJock> theresa2: what does it give you?
[08:57] <stgraber> strange, as soon as you are in the admin group it should work
[08:58] <stgraber> (except if the /etc/sudoers wasn't generated/copied during the install)
[08:58] <theresa2> i'll have a look
[09:00] <theresa2> it was generated
[09:00] <stgraber> but ofc you can't read it :)
[09:00] <theresa2> cd /etc/ and the "ls" shows a directory called "sudoers"
[09:00] <theresa2> ofc?
[09:01] <stgraber> ofc=of course, you can't read it because only root can
[09:01] <theresa2> yeah
[09:01] <theresa2> but i just checked the user panel
[09:01] <stgraber> so you can't know if the : %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[09:01] <theresa2> there are 2 users apparently
[09:01] <stgraber> is inside
[09:01] <theresa2> one is called "root" and the other one "theresa"
[09:02] <stgraber> can you check that you are in the admin group ?
[09:02] <theresa2> i've just added me to the admin group
[09:03] <theresa2> or maybe not
[09:03] <theresa2> :(
[09:03] <stgraber> I don't think you can :)
[09:04] <stgraber> can you do : cat /etc/group | grep admin
[09:05] <theresa2> lpadmin:x:110:theresa
[09:05] <theresa2> lpadmin:x:110:theresa
[09:05] <theresa2> admin:x:1001:theresa
[09:06] <theresa2> actually, because previously i've accidently added a user called "admin" instead of adding the group...but then i've added addgroup user as well
[09:07] <stgraber> really really strange, you are in the admin group, but you can't use sudo ...
[09:08] <LaserJock> oh
[09:08] <theresa2> hmm
[09:08] <stgraber> maybe sudo checks the groupid, usergroup are usually >=1000 and system ones are <1000
[09:08] <LaserJock> you're admin groups ID is 1001
[09:08] <stgraber> yes
[09:08] <stgraber> I think that's the problem
[09:08] <stgraber> it's 114 here
[09:09] <LaserJock> 112 here
[09:09] <Burgundavia> which means you created the group on your own and is thus not a system one
[09:10] <theresa2> hmmm what can i do then?
[09:10] <stgraber> boot the livecd, mount again, chroot again
[09:10] <stgraber> delgroup admin
[09:10] <stgraber> addgroup --system admin
[09:10] <stgraber> adduser theresa admin
[09:11] <theresa2> what's the difference between --system admin and admin?
[09:11] <LaserJock> --system will create a system group :-)
[09:11] <LaserJock> which has a different groupid
[09:11] <theresa2> ok, is there anything else that i should do or take care of?
[09:12] <stgraber> one will create <1000 gid and the other >=1000
[09:12] <stgraber> just check that /etc/sudoers has : %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[09:12] <stgraber> (the last line in mine)
[09:12] <theresa2> how do i check that?
[09:13] <stgraber> "gedit /etc/sudoers" should work
[09:13] <stgraber> or cat /etc/sudoers at least
[09:13] <stgraber> hi RichEd 
[09:14] <theresa2> do i have to do "adduser theresa --system admin" or just "adduser theresa admin"
[09:14] <RichEd> hi ... stgraber 
[09:14] <stgraber> just : adduser theresa admin
[09:14] <theresa2> ok
[09:14] <theresa2> i'll try my best....wish me luck.....
[09:14] <theresa2> i'm hopefully be back within 10 minutes or so ;)
[09:14] <stgraber> good luck :)
[09:15] <theresa2> one more thing
[09:15] <theresa2> what if /etc/sudoers doesn't has %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[09:16] <stgraber> echo "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL" >> /etc/sudoers
[09:16] <blue-frog> you need to edit sudoers file
[09:16] <blue-frog> reboot in recovery mode and visudo
[09:17] <theresa2> visudo?
[09:17] <blue-frog> yes
[09:17] <blue-frog> it is not a typo...
[09:17] <theresa2> what's that? you mean vi the editor?
[09:17] <blue-frog> no, visudo in one word
[09:17] <theresa2> ok
[09:17] <theresa2> and that should fix it?
[09:18] <stgraber> visudo is a command that open vi (the editor) and the /etc/sudoers in it
[09:18] <stgraber> then you will have to add the line
[09:18] <blue-frog> well once you are editing sudoers you give whatever permission
[09:18] <theresa2> ok and then i should add the echo line?!
[09:18] <theresa2> if it doesn't already exist anyway
[09:19] <blue-frog> yes
[09:19] <stgraber> no, the echo line is my way to fix it
[09:19] <stgraber> the echo line simply add the line to the sudo
[09:19] <theresa2> ahh ok
[09:19] <stgraber> sudoes
[09:19] <stgraber> sudoers
[09:19] <blue-frog> %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[09:19] <stgraber> echo "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL" >> /etc/sudoers
[09:19] <stgraber> simply enter that and it will add the %admin... line to your /etc/sudoers
[09:19] <theresa2> ok, thanks gentlemen, i'll try my best
[09:20] <theresa2> see you in a few minutes, and thanks for all your help and effort
[09:20] <blue-frog> stgraber: you have a strange way to play with sudoers..
[09:21] <stgraber> blue-frog: hmm, what else does visudo ?
[09:21] <stgraber> it locks the file then open an editor
[09:21] <blue-frog>  checks for parse errors
[09:21] <blue-frog> basic sanity checks
[09:23] <blue-frog> and anyway how would she do an echo on the sudoers file as she cannot sudo...
[09:23] <stgraber> blue-frog: livecd -> mount -> chroot
[09:23] <blue-frog> stgraber: well I try to make things easy for me...
[09:28] <stgraber> blue-frog: at the begining she didn't have an account :)
[09:28] <stgraber> so now she has one, but just now the sudo rights
[09:29] <theresa> hello
[09:30] <theresa> it says "/usr/sbin/delgroup: `admin' still has `admin' as their primary group!"
[09:30] <theresa> i'm still on the livecd right now
[09:35] <stgraber> hmm
[09:36] <stgraber> try : gedit /etc/group
[09:36] <stgraber> do you see gedit ?
[09:37] <theresa> and then?
[09:37] <stgraber> do you see the editor ?
[09:37] <theresa> yep....
[09:37] <stgraber> ok, so remove the admin:x: line
[09:38] <stgraber> as you added the admin group it should be the last one
[09:38] <theresa> brb
[10:09] <theresa> ok, sorry, was just on the phone ... now i'm back
[10:10] <stgraber> ok, so remove the admin:x: line
[10:10] <theresa> stgraber: sorry, now i'm back
[10:10] <theresa> root@ubuntu:/# gedit /etc/group
[10:10] <theresa> cannot open display: 
[10:10] <theresa> Run 'gedit --help' to see a full list of available command line options.
[10:10] <stgraber> ok
[10:10] <stgraber> so : nano /etc/group
[10:11] <stgraber> find the line, remove it
[10:11] <stgraber> and then save with : ctrl+x
[10:11] <theresa> ok, did it
[10:11] <stgraber> brb (5 minutes)
[10:11] <theresa> ok
[10:11] <stgraber> do the same with /etc/gshadow
[10:14] <theresa> ok, done
[10:17] <stgraber> now : addgroup --system admin
[10:18] <theresa> Adding group `admin' (118)...
[10:18] <theresa> Done.
[10:18] <stgraber> adduser theresa admin
[10:18] <theresa> that's about it, right?! ;)
[10:18] <stgraber> you can try : su theresa
[10:19] <stgraber> then : sudo -s
[10:19] <stgraber> it should ask for your pass
[10:19] <theresa> excellent :D
[10:19] <theresa> thankyou it works
[10:19] <stgraber> fine, so reboot and everything should be good this time
[10:20] <theresa> ok, will do!
[10:20] <theresa> thanks again for all your help! will be back in 5 minutes ;)
[10:20] <stgraber> no problem
[10:20] <stgraber> ok
[10:27] <theresa> hmm weird, it seems like nothing has changed :(
[10:27] <stgraber> hmm, so what happens if you do : sudo -s ?
[10:27] <theresa> nothing :(
[10:28] <theresa> but when i do, cat /etc/group | grep admin
[10:28] <theresa> it says lpadmin:x:110:theresa
[10:28] <theresa> admin:x:118:theresa
[10:31] <stgraber> to make things easier : reboot on the live cd, do the mount, chroot thing and then : passwd
[10:31] <stgraber> and set a password
[10:31] <stgraber> that will put a password on the root account
[10:31] <stgraber> then you will be able to simply : su
[10:31] <stgraber> and become root
[10:32] <stgraber> and easily fix the sudo thing (no need to reboot on the livecd all the time)
[10:32] <theresa> true, because i just tried su...and then entered a password and it said "su: Authentication failure" and i was like "huh?!?! whats going on?"
[10:33] <theresa> ok, so i'll now reboot on the livecd, chroot and then set a root password, right?
[10:33] <theresa> and then come back?
[10:33] <stgraber> yes
[10:33] <stgraber> then no need to boot this livecd again :)
[10:33] <theresa> ok, excellent! this sounds like a plan :D
[10:33] <theresa> ok, see you in a few minutes
[10:49] <theresa> hey stgraber, i just wanted to thank you for getting me all through this...it works fine now...i've successfully installed konversation and kopete...thanks! :)
[10:50] <theresa> i owe you a drink or something ;)
[10:50] <stgraber> :)
[10:52] <theresa> now i only have to get used to the gnome interface ;)
[10:53] <theresa> i'm having an appointment next friday with my teacher from my old high school....i'm meeting her because i want to convice her that edubuntu is useful and clever for the school, so i'm persuading her to get edubuntu because then i can base my bachelor assignment on this little project ;)
[10:55] <stgraber> good idea, I installed some small Edubuntu based network in my old high school and they work fine
[10:56] <stgraber> (the only problem is that the students know Windows and sometimes don't want to try something else)
[10:57] <stgraber> but about the software after removing some of them and adding 2-3 stuff (some Windows based software working with wine), it rocks
[11:02] <ctkroeker> How easy is it to give Thin client users the option to boot either Gnome or KDE? Is it just a matter of "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[11:06] <stgraber> ctkroeker: I'm checking
[11:06] <ctkroeker> k, I'm just wondering if I have to chroot into ltsp or if I can do this in the normal system...
[11:07] <stgraber> you have to install the desktop environment on the normal system
[11:07] <stgraber> the ltsp chroot is just for booting the client, then it connects to the Server X server
[11:08] <ctkroeker> ok, thanks, that makes it easy.
[11:13] <blue-frog> mandriva sans aiglx c'est carrement rapide
[11:13] <blue-frog> sorry
[11:15] <theresa> stgraber: how did you convince these kids to try something new?
[11:19] <stgraber> That's easy, they had a classroom without any computers (they had to go to a computer room that's used all the time), you put 3 computers running Edubuntu in the classroom. As they don't provide dual-boot, they only have the choice to : wait for hours to have a place in the computer room or try something new
[11:19] <stgraber> Most of the time they try and then like (as I heard from the teachers)
[11:19] <theresa> wow :D
[11:19] <theresa> where are you from stgraber?
[11:19] <stgraber> Switzerland
[11:20] <theresa> ha, I'm practically your neighbour ;)
[11:20] <theresa> I'm from Austria
[11:20] <theresa> are you from the french or the german part of Switzerland?
[11:20] <stgraber> french part
[11:21] <theresa> cool, I had french 5 years when I was at school
[11:22] <theresa> i've just dropped my old teacher an email...we'll see how she reacts....
[11:22] <stgraber> I learn German for 7 years now and English for 4 years and my English is way better than my German :)
[11:22] <theresa> i'm soooo relieved...actually it seems like since i got edubuntu working on this machine the whole day starts to make some sense now :D
[11:23] <theresa> yeah, that's because english is easier than german....same with french....english will always be easier than french :(
[11:24] <theresa> what's your name stgraber?
[11:24] <stgraber> Stphane Graber
[11:24] <theresa> ahhh ;)
[11:24] <theresa> makes some sense
[11:25] <theresa> what's your favourite application on edubuntu?
[11:25] <stgraber> For your install, the first thing you will have to choose is if you want to install isolated workstation, then you choose the "Workstation" install
[11:26] <theresa> ok. not as i did on the laptop because i chose "install on harddisc" ?!
[11:26] <stgraber> or if you want to make a network (one big server and several small computers (no harddisk needed, 64MB of ram minimum) and then you choose the "Install to disk"
[11:26] <stgraber> yes, in fact you installed a server on your laptop :)
[11:26] <stgraber> the desktop is the same but you have some more things installed
[11:26] <theresa> ohhh
[11:26] <theresa> i see
[11:26] <stgraber> like the ltsp-server, schooltool and some other stuff :)
[11:27] <theresa> thanks for the advice
[11:27] <stgraber> Personally I install the server "Install to disk" because that's the thing I really like with Edubuntu
[11:27] <stgraber> here we have some really old computers (100Mhz, 64MB of ram and 1GB hard disk)
[11:27] <stgraber> you just add a 100Mb/s network card
[11:28] <stgraber> make a network boot floppy disk
[11:28] <theresa> yeah my laptop is dead slow two....probably 600Mhz or maybe 700Mhz
[11:28] <stgraber> then install a server with two network cards
[11:28] <stgraber> one connected to the internet, the other connect to a switch
[11:28] <stgraber> and finally you connect all the computers to the switch
[11:28] <stgraber> they will boot on the LAN and show the Login box of the server
[11:29] <stgraber> then, you have only one computer to configure, one to upgrade, ...
[11:29] <theresa> that's a good idea
[11:29] <stgraber> and replacing or adding a computer is simple as creating a floppy disk and plugging a network cable
[11:30] <stgraber> with Feisty (the next Ubuntu release) there will also be an improved "Student control panel" that will make possible to view all the computers, take the control, make a demonstration (all the computers show your screen), ...
[11:31] <stgraber> It's really a good thing for a computer room and I only use Edubuntu for that
[11:31] <Elwell> hmm. Where do I set refresh rate for X (xorg.conf?) - running out of range for my LCD
[11:31] <theresa> here is my plan: i reckon the school don't want to switch all their pcs to edubuntu (which i fully understand) because teachers and students are used to windows and if they necessarily need something then it's easier to manage a problem with a usual environment....so my plan is to install edubuntu on 2-3 pcs and let the students partipate it ( i want to do a showcase of edubuntu with massive user testing)
[11:31] <stgraber> Elwell: the modeline in the xorg.conf (if modeline still exist :) )
[11:32] <stgraber> Elwell: or try : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:32] <Elwell> aah. forgot dpkg-reconfigure
[11:32] <Elwell> that'll normally nail it
[11:32] <theresa> cool, this sounds like a cool feature but feisty won't be released til april (if not longer)....
[11:33] <stgraber> theresa: so for your use case, a workstation installation will be perfect
[11:34] <theresa> stgraber: yeah exactly! that is my plan....if the conversation with my old highschool teacher goes as planned, and if i'm allowed to do this project (have to ask/inform my prof. at university first) if i have their "ok" i will start immediately :D
[11:49] <no1peanut>  Is the documentation on the wiki pages only in english and if not where do I choose another language ??
[11:51] <theresa> hmm is on edubuntu also a sources.list file as of /etc/sources.list  ??
[11:51] <theresa> i can't seem to find it
[11:51] <stgraber> /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:51] <theresa> ahh
[11:52] <theresa> i'm such a fool!
[12:12] <theresa> i'm off to bed, good night Stephane!
[12:12] <pygi> night theresa 
[12:12] <theresa> good night pygi!
[12:13] <theresa> i'll be back in the next few days :)