[04:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping?
[04:22] <freeflying> morning all :)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> hey freeflying!
[04:36] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: he's probably somewhere on a plane home if i had to guess :)
[04:36] <imbrandon> heya freeflying 
[04:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ahh right
[04:44] <freeflying> imbrandon: hi
[05:19] <Mez> hehe my spam worked then Hobbsee ?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Mez: yeah, when i looked at it
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Mez: is there anything actually going on in there?
[05:21] <Mez> Hobbsee, yes, we have a (slow) class going on
[05:21] <Hobbsee> ahh
[05:21] <Mez> you might want to read the transcripts after
[05:21] <Hobbsee> probably
[05:22] <Hobbsee> then again, i should already know all of that
[05:22] <Mez> Hobbsee, it's still a learning experience for if you ever want to make your own class
[05:22] <Hobbsee> true
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Mez: if there are packagers there, are you planning to teach about debsign?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Mez: if you do, mention debsign -r as well
[05:23] <Mez> if it's asked about I'll answer
[05:23] <Mez> Hobbsee, -r? remote changes signing /
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Mez: yes
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Mez: if you're covering debsign, you should cover debsign -r, especially with the popularity in build farms
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Saw some of the specs for fiesty
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Why do we need ubiquity to be qt?
[05:50] <Mez> because otherwise it means including the gtk libs on the livecd
[05:51] <DaSkreech> So reverse Edubuntu
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Jucato: !
[06:39] <Jucato> hi DaSkreech
[06:39] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Kq just crashed my keyboard
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Lets try that again!
[06:40] <Mez> DaSkreech -> http://bugs.launchpad.net/
[06:40] <Jucato> hi Mez
[06:40] <DaSkreech> If I can replicate it
[06:40] <Mez> hi Jucato 
[06:40] <DaSkreech> I'm sure I've asked this before. How do you get in contact with maintainers?
[06:41] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Email them ?
[06:41] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: email
[06:41] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Which you can find ... where?
[06:41] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: In the changelog
[06:41] <DaSkreech> Hmm 
[06:41] <DaSkreech> Which adept doesn't support as yet :(
[06:41] <imbrandon> in the package description and copyright
[06:42] <imbrandon> bah
[06:42] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Please tell me you're joking
[06:42] <Hawkwind> Adept sucks, mainly cause it's GUI
[06:42] <Jucato> :P
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Not really :) That's what a lot of people would use
[06:42] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Not true at all
[06:42] <DaSkreech> And when they see things like The Debian Team
[06:42] <DaSkreech> it's off putting
[06:42] <Hawkwind> GUI package managers are known not to work, in any distro
[06:43] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: wrong on both accounts
[06:43] <DaSkreech> ok I'll back off it then :)
[06:43] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: changelogs.ubuntu.com   No need for some silly GUI package manager :P
[06:43] <imbrandon> normaly the user just wants to know where to file a bug, as do the package maintainers, i rarely want to get a direct email
[06:43] <imbrandon> and most do NOT use adept
[06:44] <Hawkwind> Someday someone will create a GUI package manager that actually does exactly what it's CLI counterpart does.  But don't look for that to happen in the next 10 - 15 years
[06:44] <DaSkreech> ok ok :-)
[06:44] <Jucato> why that long, Hawkwind? :)
[06:45] <imbrandon> i realy realy hate when you troll though DaSkreech , you should know by now where to find the maintainer info in a package, if not why are you asking support questions in a -devel channel
[06:45] <DaSkreech> cause then we would have evolved beyond GUI's and no one would use them anyway
[06:45] <Hawkwind> Jucato: It just can't be done.  Every distro has tried it, several times.  None have been successful yet
[06:46] <Mez> Hobbsee, how do you think the class is going
[06:46] <Hobbsee> Mez: i /parted out of it earlier
[06:46] <Mez> ah kk
[06:46] <Hobbsee> Mez: looked very long before - i'm not sure how good the +m on it would have been
[06:46] <Jucato> motu-classroom?
[06:47] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:47] <Jucato> ooh... someday...
[06:47] <Mez> Jucato, no
[06:48] <Mez> #ubuntu-classroom
[06:48] <Mez> NUN stuff
[06:48] <Jucato> ah
[06:48] <Jucato> that one... (the one I don't attend anymore)
[06:48] <Hobbsee> oh, there
[06:48] <Mez> Jucato, why not ?
[06:50] <Jucato> the times made it extremely inconvenient for me to attend.
[06:50] <Jucato> I attended the first 5 (I think) and provided transcripts
[06:50] <Jucato> but I just couldn't keep up
[06:51] <Jucato> too bad the class I missed today seems to be an interesting one
[06:53] <Mez> Jucato, GNUPG :D
[06:54] <Jucato> yeah... :(
[06:54] <Mez> transcripts will be available
[06:54] <Jucato> yay! someone else doing the transcripts? (I feel a bit guilty for "abandoning" the classroom...)
[06:54] <Mez> lol
[06:55] <Jucato> hm... I was able to make 4 transcripts only... baaad
[06:56] <Jucato> 18:00 UTC = 4:00 AM here, 4:00 UTC = 12:00 PM (I'm always not around at that time)
[07:01] <DaSkreech> GPL java doesn't affect Fiesty?
[09:42] <freeflying> dose kdm supports pam defaultly?
[11:05] <fdoving> freeflying: yes.
[11:06] <freeflying> fdoving: thanks
[01:43] <toma> moguh
[02:26] <joe3k> freeflying: ?
[03:44] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:45] <Riddell> blurgle
[03:47] <bddebian> blurgle?
[03:48] <Riddell> it's what I feel like just now re-adjusting to GMT
[03:52] <Kryczek> haha
[08:04] <webben> Why can kdelibs5 not be installed alongside libqt4-dev-kdecopy?
[08:05] <webben> How is one supposed to run qtmake-qt4 with the second development snapshot of kde?
[08:30] <danimo> hi
[08:32] <danimo> are there regular kde 4 packages for feisty already?
[08:32] <danimo> (with respective backports to edgy)
[08:38] <webben> there are kde4 packages for edgy
[08:38] <webben> danimo, look at the kubuntu front page
[08:38] <webben> but i can't get the latest ones to allow me to compile stuff with cmake
[08:38] <webben> which is a bore
[08:39] <danimo> webben: yes, that's a snapshot.
[08:39] <danimo> webben: with regular I mean as in "daily svn snapshots"
[08:39] <danimo> webben: suse does that for instance
[08:40] <webben> oh
[08:40] <webben> then no i guess
[08:40] <webben> sounds nice tho
[09:22] <Vaske_Car> Can anybody help with ASUS driver? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=302544
[12:07] <gnomefreak> bug 68053
[12:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68053 in azureus "Eclipse will not start (Edgy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68053