=== pygi [n=mario@83-131-71-3.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.2.202] has joined #edubuntu [01:54] Hi guys! [01:55] Is there a way in edgy to modify globally the gnome menu? I mean, in a way that affects all users. With smeg it was "sudo smeg --root" [01:57] well, what kind of thing do you want to do? [02:06] LaserJock, I want to modify in a snapshot all the students menus [02:07] so absolutely everybody on the computer [02:08] LaserJock, basically I want to remove from all my students' menus (I have about 600 students-users) some item which I don't want they can access it [02:09] LaserJock, with "sudo smeg --root" it was possible [02:09] but unfortunatly smeg doesn't exist any more... [02:09] yeah, smeg was turned into alacarte [02:09] but unfortunately it can't edit the root menus [02:10] :-( [02:10] well, I can see 3 ways of dealing with this [02:11] 1) use sabayon to give your students a profile that has that menu item removed [02:11] 2) manually edit the root menu [02:11] 3) use edubuntu-menus and modify say edubuntu-basic [02:12] I'm honestly not sure which would be best [02:14] LaserJock, would you say that if I edit the menu of the root user all the users' menu are changed? [02:14] well, it's not the root user [02:14] there is a place /etc/xdg/ wher all the users get their menus [02:15] LaserJock, and how do I use edubuntu-menus? [02:15] well, you install the edubuntu-menus package [02:15] and then? [02:15] and then add users to one of the groups (like say edubuntu-basic) [02:16] ?!? [02:16] then the users get their menus from /usr/share/edubuntu-menus/ [02:17] if you wanted some to have the item and some not I'd go with that approach (or sabayon perhaps) [02:17] LaserJock, ok, thank you! [02:17] hmm === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.2.202] has joined #edubuntu [02:58] XDG_CONFIG_HOME=/etc/xdg XDG_DATA_HOME=/usr/share sudo alacarte [02:58] LaserJock: root menu editing [02:58] :) [02:58] true [02:59] although I'd sure wan to have backups ;-) [02:59] i would for sudo smeg --root too [02:59] they work the same way :P [03:01] yeah, I should have thought of that [03:01] but the person left so fast === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@adsl-70-239-95-200.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #edubuntu === superset1 [n=smarinel@adsl-75-15-119-91.dsl.snlo01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #edubuntu === joejaxx [i=jadaz87@ubuntu/member/joejaxx] has joined #edubuntu [03:46] hey everyone [03:55] hi [04:08] LaserJock: trying out edubuntu server ins few moment [04:08] s === dinda [n=dinda@cpe-72-181-84-165.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === dinda [n=dinda@cpe-72-181-84-165.houston.res.rr.com] has left #edubuntu [] === BonBonTheJon [n=jon@69.61.203.3] has joined #edubuntu === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:01] LaserJock: ? [06:01] or anyone else awake? [06:01] yeah? [06:02] i just setup a edubuntu server but it is giving me some problem [06:02] s [06:02] i have on interface setup to receive internet [06:02] another one static [06:02] i tried restarting dhcpd but it is not working === amachu [n=amachu@125.22.237.77] has joined #edubuntu [06:04] nevermind i think i got it [06:05] joejaxx: I'm probably the last person you want to ask [06:05] I've never set up an LTSP server [06:05] oh ok [06:05] woohoo [06:06] edubuntu server thinkclient environment in vmware [06:06] :D [06:06] it works === joejaxx dances [06:07] this is great [06:07] :) [06:08] this is great [06:09] :-) [06:09] Lol [06:09] i have the server in one window [06:09] and the thinclient in another === joejaxx wonders how the actual environment is going to be [06:10] now throw another computer on the network [06:10] oh uh [06:11] hmm [06:11] it stops [06:11] the progress bar is in the middle of the second to last section on the progress bar === joejaxx boots up another thinclient === highvoltage [n=jonathan@196.1.61.9] has joined #edubuntu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@c-67-175-74-85.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@c-67-175-74-85.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=mario@83-131-5-108.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === EmxBA [n=emx@unaffiliated/emxba] has joined #edubuntu === jono [n=jono@88-107-4-166.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.2.202] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@137.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [11:46] morning === willvdl [n=Will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === kihai [n=sid@87.139.108.135] has joined #edubuntu [12:34] Hi! Don't know if my question is in the right place here. I'm using LTSP 5.0 (Edubuntu Edgy) and having troubles when users log off from their ltsp session. Sometimes gdm crashes and the client has to be rebooted. Is there a solution to this? [12:35] gdm ? did you tweak the setup ? usually there runs ldm on the clients ... [12:35] Ahem, I meant ldm.... [12:35] ah, k [12:36] i havent seen that problem yet (and neither heard about) [12:36] could you file a bug against the ltsp package [12:39] getting ldm.log from the client would be helpful ... [12:39] OK, I'll try [12:40] ...can't find ldm.log in /op/ltsp/i386/var/log/ [12:41] it will be on the client itself i suspect [12:41] ogra, would it be posible to backport edgy LTSP (local devices specifically) to dapper? i asked before edgy, but you were kinda busy to answer :) [12:43] I chrooted to /op/ltsp/i386 and looked in the /etc folder of the client, but there's no ldm.log [12:47] Kamping_Kaiser, it will be complicated, still looking into it, ltspfs is in universe in dapper and in main in edgy until i find sa proper solution thats the showstopper ... [12:47] kihai, sudo /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd <- set a root pw on the client .... [12:47] ogra, thanks for the info. [12:47] kihai, on the client ctrl-alt-f1 and log in as root [12:48] then scp /var/log/ldm.log user@server /tmp/ [12:51] note that the ldm.log only helps from a crshed session ... [12:51] *crashed [12:55] I can't log in directly from a crashed client, because when it's crashed, it's crashed --- only Alt+Print+S/U/B works. Not even Ctrl+Alt+Backspace works... [12:56] and it crashes even the user logged out properly ? [12:56] The crash either shows a white screen or the empty desktop background. You cannot move the mouse or do anything else except Alt+Print+S/U/B [12:57] Yes, sometimes logging out works without probs and sometimes ldm crashes. Approximately every third logout fails. It's not sooo big a problem, because I then just reboot the client, but it's definately not nice... [12:58] no it isnt and needs to be fixed ... but i need more data about it unless i can reproduce it myself ... [01:06] I'll try to get on a client after it has crashed. brb === cliebow [n=cliebow@cpe-76-179-82-249.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [01:21] I found some errors in /var/log/X11.6.log on the client. ldm.log was empty. Just a second, I'll paste it in pastebin... [01:22] better attach it to bug [01:22] *to a [01:23] Hmm, here is the output of Xorg.6.log from one crashed client: http://pastebin.com/828780 [01:25] looks fine [01:26] ldm.log was empty even someone logged in successfully ? that cant be.... [01:32] I'm not sure if so logged in successfully before. This was the only client that let me use Ctrl+Alt+F1 === jsgmobile [n=jsgmobil@121.97.196.127] has joined #edubuntu [01:35] well, i need the ldm.log after a crash ... which indicates that you once logged in successfully since you say it happens after a number of logouts ... [01:35] ldm does only write errors or the login procedure to ldm.log .... [01:36] if you never logged in and there are no errors the files is indeed empty [01:36] *file [01:36] OK, I see. I'll keep an eye open and will try to find a client which let's me copy the ldm.log. So long.... [01:39] Hey [01:39] you could install sshd in the client environment, so you can log in remotely to it and pull the log this way [01:41] hmm, will give it a try - after lunch ! :) [01:42] Ahem, you meant to install openssh-server, didn't you? [01:43] yep [01:43] (it brings the binary sshd, sorry for the confusion) === lguerra [i=lguerra@200.21.93.195] has joined #edubuntu [01:51] Hm, I get a file not found error when trying to install from the client: Err file: edgy/main openssh-server 1:4.3p2-5ubuntu1 [01:51] File not found [01:51] apt-get update first ? [01:52] Nope. Did Update first, but the same error ocurs... [01:52] but your server is online and you can ping the world if you are not in the chroot ? [01:54] yes [01:54] and from the chroot ? can you ping there ? [01:55] yes [01:56] ogra: hey how are you doing? Man i miss being online with a working PC [01:56] OK, my sources.list on the clients only contains the cdrom entry. Can I just add the official ubuntu entries? [01:56] jsgmobile, trying to stay awake (1pm here) and fighting my jetlag ... i returned yesterday afternoon ... === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [01:57] kihai, just cp the sources.list fro the server into the chroot [01:57] *from [02:00] Haha good to know ogra [02:00] Installation of openssh-server didn't work. It gave me some errors: A package failed to install.. [02:01] on edgy ? hmm, that should work right away [02:02] It works on the server. openssh-server is installed there. [02:05] indeed, else ltsp wouldnt work :) === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@66.244.123.100] has joined #edubuntu === kihai [n=sid@87.139.108.135] has left #edubuntu [] === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === whiprush_ [n=jorge@d192-24-54-136.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AF070.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [04:19] Morning all [04:32] morning scott === blueonyx [n=hilbig@p54BA54A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:32] Hey highvoltage === edubuntugirl [n=edubuntu@ubuntu/bot/edubuntugirl] has joined #edubuntu [04:32] hi [04:33] hi blueonyx [04:33] is there any tools like rc.d-update on edubuntu? [04:33] -s [04:34] Umm, update-rc.d? [04:34] sbalneav: by the way, mario_ told me to tell you 'I'm very sad that we didn't got the ltsp burning bits session, but oh well, stuff happens. On the other note, -multi now works under -tao in libburn.' 8 days, 16 hours, 37 minutes and 8 seconds ago (on Sun Nov 12 00:56:54 2006) [04:34] ah thx ;D [04:34] It's the same as in debian. [04:35] locate pxe [04:35] oops [04:35] sbalneav: mistake in my mind ;) === superseth [n=smarinel@adsl-75-15-119-91.dsl.snlo01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@137.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:34] is there any way to see whats behind the boot splash (of a client) [05:34] ? [05:35] Did you try pressing ESC or F2 ? [05:41] already fixed ;) [05:41] there was a kernel panic, thats why it did not respond [05:42] ok :) [05:42] how does the thin client gets its kernel modules? [05:43] they are in the initrd I think [05:43] it loads the kernel, but then halts because there is no net device [05:44] its a very old card isa i think [05:44] can it load this? [05:44] and of course detect it right before ;) [05:44] remove the word splash from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [05:46] thx ogra i found it already [05:46] can you get the ID of your network card, to check that the required module is included ? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [05:47] ogra: Do you know if the Ubuntu kernel still detects ISA cards ? [05:47] Howdy [05:47] hi [05:47] i dont know what you mean, but the kernel panic is because init exits, then it cannot find a file called /tmp/net-eth0.conf : / [05:47] i think so, yes, but it cant configure them if they are not PNP ones ... [05:48] hi [05:48] blueonyx, sounds like stgraber is right, thats either a missing network card module or a bug in udev [05:49] how do proof that the module is missing? [05:49] *how to [05:49] does it load the required modules from the server,too? [05:50] it loads whats in the initramfs ... [05:50] As soon as the Linux boots, both kernel and initrd should have been downloaded from the server [05:50] the tftp client only loads the vmlinuz and an pxelinux config file i think [05:51] which should be all possible network modules an ubuntu kernel has [05:52] the client recieves the PXE info first through the PXE protocol ... then the vmlinuz (kernel) and the initrd.gz (initramfs) files via tftp ... [05:57] ogra! Back in .de? [05:57] yep [05:58] with a fresh cold and heavy jetlag [05:58] Ugh. Bummer. When do you head out for Poland? [05:59] wednesday [05:59] Ah, so a bit of time to recover then. [06:00] Where do we want to start development wise? I'll set up a feisty box at home, what would you like me to start in on? [06:01] not really ... i have to care for my lost wallet ... apparently the train i was booked for from berlin to lodz was cancelled [06:01] seems the network card cannot be loaded correctly [06:01] took me the whole morning to rebook me to a flight ... [06:10] ohhh pnp was disabled [06:10] now isapnp detects the card but the same kernel panic : / [06:12] ipconfig says no device found [06:12] what is ipconfig? is there a difference to ifconfig? [06:13] Sorry, I'm coming in late. What card are you trying to detect? [06:13] ogra, bddebian, sbalneav any thoughts? please : (( [06:13] 3c5x9 [06:13] 3com [06:13] isa [06:13] ugh [06:14] That's the only card you've got? [06:14] nearly ; ) [06:14] why? [06:14] Man, it's been so long since I've dealt with an ISA card. So, the kernel's not detecting it? [06:15] isapnp detects it but the needed module seems not to be loaded [06:15] Does it use jumpers, or the software setup [06:15] i enabled pnp via software [06:16] What happens if you try a sudo modprobe 3c509 [06:17] ugh i have no terminal [06:17] because of the missing module, there is no netmount [06:17] What do you mean you have no terminal? [06:17] i am on the thinclient [06:18] Oh, this is on a thin client. [06:18] sry [06:18] the tip with another ethernet card do not work on all of these machines here [06:18] most of them have no pci slots ;) [06:19] I'd use the dos software to set the card manually. If I remember correctly, the linux kernel will autodetect it if it sits at io address 0x320, and IRQ 5 [06:19] am here in goog old germany with a little zoo, amazed that these machines even work with electronc power ; ) [06:20] Do these machines have an isa video card? [06:20] What kind of processor? [06:20] my test machine has pci [06:20] pentium mmx [06:20] and a s3 pci card [06:21] I thought you said they don't have pci? [06:21] not on all machines [06:22] this is an exception [06:22] I'll ask again: are some of the machines you want to get working have an ISA video card? [06:22] could be [06:22] is this that important? [06:23] I would suggest that anything that doesn't have PCI bus won't make a good terminal. [06:23] In #ltsp, we tell people that ISA video cards don't have enough bus bandwidth to make reasonable terminals. [06:24] hm [06:24] At any rate, use the DOS disk that comes with the card, and try setting the card to 0x320, and IRWQ 5 [06:24] it worked with an simple xserver [06:24] Right, but you probably weren't using the net at the same time, were you? [06:24] i will try this [06:25] Remember: as a terminal, you're going to be CONSTANTLY using the network AND the video card. [06:25] the xserver ran on another machine [06:25] The ISA bus simply doesn't have sufficient bandwidth to do this well. [06:25] as xserver for all machines of this zoo [06:26] What app are you planning on running? An text terminal, or a browser? [06:26] justbrowsing [06:27] i have a closer look at the mchines [06:27] w8 [06:28] i am sorry there are pci cards and pci video cards but thats not my problem : ( [06:29] < sbalneav> I'd use the dos software to set the card manually. If I remember correctly, the linux kernel will autodetect it if it sits at io address 0x320, and IRQ 5 [06:29] what do you mean by "the kernel"? [06:29] The kernel [06:29] The Linux kernel [06:29] there is a message from isapnp which says that the card is found [06:29] while booting [06:30] "Found" and "Working" are two different things :) [06:31] thank you for your time i got to go home : ( [06:31] see you tomorrow? [06:31] How many machines are you talking about here, that you want to set up? For the amount of time you're going to spend on this, why not jus buy.... [06:31] some pci network cards. [06:31] atm there are 8 machines [06:31] They're cheap, you can get Ether express pro 100's for like 30 bucks, why not save yourself hours of aggro. [06:32] so, 30x8 = 240bucks. that's cheap. [06:32] but as i told you i am from germany and here is no money, even not for some pci network cards ; ) [06:32] No money in germany? [06:32] C'mon [06:32] It' [06:32] It's a G8 industrialized nation. [06:32] no money for education [06:33] see you tomorrow bye [06:33] Phht. [06:33] So, at a zoo, you can't scrape up $240 bucks? [06:33] I wonder if they feed the animals. :) [06:33] imo, buying 8 network cards isn't a problem if we consider the time you will need to make it work otherwise [06:34] Well, that's my point. [06:34] I mean, if it's some homeless shelter in venezuela, I could see the problem. [06:34] This is a ZOO in GERMANY [06:35] here, network cards (rtl8139) are at around : 6euro if we order more than 10 [06:35] so, that's not really a problem I think :) [06:35] Do those come with pxe? [06:35] no, but we had some useless harddisk [06:35] and just put etherboot on them [06:35] Yeah, or a boot floppy. [06:35] heh [06:35] boot floppy isn't a good idea in school :) [06:36] Sure, just unbolt the floppy from the front of the machine, and mount it internally in the hard drive bay :) [06:36] and I really doubt that this 3com card do something more than 10Mb/s which can be a little be short sometime [06:37] yes, great idea :) [06:37] Yeah, the 509's only 10 megs === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === zch [n=manuel@85-124-206-66.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@mar44-2-82-227-215-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:54] http://kidswithout.homelinux.net/ === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=janevita@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl_ [n=Will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === squid0 [n=squid0@dsl-242-173-91.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [07:06] hi [07:06] can someone please tell me about edubuntu's internet filter? is there such a thing? [07:06] VmWare rocks, I made a virtual server+3client network, with the server connected to the internet and everything [07:07] and it's really fast !!! (compared with qemu+kqemu) [07:07] squid0: What is it you'd like to know? [07:08] I think you can use Synaptic to add the package dansguardian [07:09] From the package: [07:09] DansGuardian is designed to be completely flexible and allows you to tailor the [07:09] filtering to your exact needs. It can be as draconian or as unobstructive as [07:09] you want. The default settings are geared towards what a primay school might [07:09] want but DansGuardian puts you in control of what you want to block. [07:09] sbalneav: i've tried to use dansguardian before, but it's a bit complicated; i think you have to set up a proxy server as well, etc. etc. i just thought if there was a specific one in edubuntu, i'd like to use it... I use kubuntu, but i'd like to see what edubuntu has to offer in this area [07:10] Dan's Guardian is what the standard one is, yes. And you're right, you need to set up a proxy. [07:10] oh [07:10] ok then [07:11] i'll google it... not up to a night of tinkering... i;d like something easy :) [07:12] Content filtering's a complex topic. No easy answers there. [07:13] ok... === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [07:23] evenin all === willvdl_ [n=Will@vc-196-207-41-254.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [07:23] hi willvdl [07:24] cbx33: you did the scp stuff last round, no? [07:24] yes i ded [07:24] y? [07:24] mind if we totally redesign the UI this time? [07:26] it was ogra's UI [07:26] as long as he's ok with it [07:26] ah [07:26] I am [07:26] I only added a few thing [07:26] it is ok, just needs some tweaking [07:26] but it needs to change anyway if we're going to have the VNC thumbnails === willvdl_ [n=Will@vc-196-207-41-254.3g.vodacom.co.za] has left #edubuntu ["No] [07:26] I think the adding of vnc thumbnails requires some thinking [07:27] yes [07:27] I agree [07:27] but then again I don;t know who is working on it this time round? [07:27] no idea === whiprush is now known as wiirush [07:27] ogra didn't have time last release so I stepped in to do it all [07:27] wiirush: you @#$@#@$ [07:27] :) [07:27] heh === wiirush is now known as wiiprush [07:27] there [07:28] wiiprush: no, it is that you have a wii and I don't [07:28] The other question is do we really use VNC for the thumbnails, that means having a VNC connection to all the clients, that also means a lot of bandwidth [07:28] Burgwork, I presume we'll have a developers meeting sometime soon at least, if I'm working on it, I'll call for one [07:28] stgraber, well, not really [07:29] seeing as all the clients are on that server anyway [07:29] we also need to make the backend deal with fat clients, thin clients and multiseat [07:29] Burgwork, that will require a lot more work [07:29] and I don;t know if it's in the spec [07:29] no, but it needs to be a long term goal [07:29] indeed [07:29] maybe require telepathy? [07:30] not sure [07:30] just an interesting idea [07:30] brb [07:34] Just a stupid question, how can I force a LTSP client to run using 800x600 instead of 1024x768 ? I tried with X_MODE_0 in lts.conf and by changing in xorg.conf, but I still have this too big 1024x768 resolution ... [08:01] stgraber: You'll have to set the X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH low enough [08:01] Unfortunately, X currently doesn't allow for preseeding the X_MODE lines, we'll get that fixed for next version. [08:02] ok, thanks === Lukef [i=keefejoh@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-a65d31e55309c8c8] has joined #edubuntu [08:07] Hi all [08:07] anyone available to help a teacher run through an Edubuntu install?? [08:08] I can help [08:08] hanks stgraber [08:08] thanks [08:09] I pop the live install CD in (which works on other machines) on an random IMB thinkpad [08:09] I can get to the inital install screen, but then get two errors [08:09] im rebooting now so I can type in the errors I get :P [08:10] ok === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [08:10] should i start normal.. or in safe graphics mode? [08:10] when did you get those errors ? [08:11] during the boot of the livecd or in the installer itself ? [08:11] I'm at the main install screen now.. where it gives me options to install [08:11] during the Boot of the Livecd [08:12] you can try the safe graphics mode, but I doubt it's a graphic problem [08:12] k [08:12] im booting into safe graphics mode now [08:12] the kernel runs.. and i get the initial "loading" screen for edubuntu [08:14] it is off of the "loading" screen and is black now [08:14] but i hear the CD working [08:14] ok, so it's probably trying to launch the X server [08:14] ya [08:15] its checking file systems now [08:15] and activating swap === Lukeff [i=keefejoh@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/session] has joined #edubuntu [08:16] sorry Stgraber.. i got booted [08:16] the first error just popped up .. GDM Could not write a new authorization entry to disk. Possibly out of diskspace. Error: No space left on Device. [08:17] should i hit OK to get past this error? [08:18] usually the "disk" with a livecd is the ram, how much ram do you have ? [08:19] 256 [08:19] its an older laptop.. but still fairly decent [08:19] 256 should be enough [08:19] I only had some problem with 128MB [08:19] hrmm.. weird [08:21] ok, and what's the next error ? [08:22] Next error is "Could not start the X server due to some internal error. Please contact your sys admin or check your syslog to diagnose. In the meantime this display will be disabled. Please restart GDM when the problem is corrected. [08:22] ok, so both seems to be related [08:22] do you have a login prompt ? === LukeF [i=keefejoh@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-449506cf2f7ea2a3] has joined #edubuntu [08:22] ugh.. keep getting booted [08:23] should I ALT CRTL F1? [08:23] yes please [08:23] k [08:23] im in cmd line [08:24] ok, so do : [08:24] free [08:24] df -h [08:24] first is the info about your current ram usage [08:24] second is about the harddisk (and ramdisk as well) [08:24] oh wait.. I only have 128 megs :P [08:25] and how much free memory ? [08:26] the free column and -/+ row [08:26] I have a measly 2412 free [08:26] 123052 used [08:26] hmm, really not enough for a X server I guess :) [08:26] ugh :P [08:26] is there still a way to install ? [08:26] yes, but not with the livecd [08:26] i really want kids to get their hands on a new machine [08:26] kk [08:26] you have to download the install cd [08:27] can i run the install from the live CD? [08:27]