[01:54] <paolob-parroquia> Hi guys!
[01:55] <paolob-parroquia> Is there a way in edgy to modify globally the gnome menu? I mean, in a way that affects all users. With smeg it was "sudo smeg --root"
[01:57] <LaserJock> well, what kind of thing do you want to do?
[02:06] <paolob-parroquia> LaserJock, I want to modify in a snapshot all the students menus
[02:07] <LaserJock> so absolutely everybody on the computer
[02:08] <paolob-parroquia> LaserJock, basically I want to remove from all my students' menus (I have about 600 students-users) some item which I don't want they can access it
[02:09] <paolob-parroquia> LaserJock, with "sudo smeg --root" it was possible
[02:09] <paolob-parroquia> but unfortunatly smeg doesn't exist any more...
[02:09] <LaserJock> yeah, smeg was turned into alacarte
[02:09] <LaserJock> but unfortunately it can't edit the root menus
[02:10] <paolob-parroquia> :-(
[02:10] <LaserJock> well, I can see 3 ways of dealing with this
[02:11] <LaserJock> 1) use sabayon to give your students a profile that has that menu item removed
[02:11] <LaserJock> 2) manually edit the root menu
[02:11] <LaserJock> 3) use edubuntu-menus and modify say edubuntu-basic
[02:12] <LaserJock> I'm honestly not sure which would be best
[02:14] <paolob-parroquia> LaserJock, would you say that if I edit the menu of the root user all the users' menu are changed?
[02:14] <LaserJock> well, it's not the root user
[02:14] <LaserJock> there is a place /etc/xdg/ wher all the users get their menus
[02:15] <paolob-parroquia> LaserJock, and how do I use edubuntu-menus?
[02:15] <LaserJock> well, you install the edubuntu-menus package
[02:15] <paolob-parroquia> and then?
[02:15] <LaserJock> and then add users to one of the groups (like say edubuntu-basic)
[02:16] <paolob-parroquia> ?!?
[02:16] <LaserJock> then the users get their menus from /usr/share/edubuntu-menus/
[02:17] <LaserJock> if you wanted some to have the item and some not I'd go with that approach (or sabayon perhaps)
[02:17] <paolob-parroquia> LaserJock, ok, thank you!
[02:17] <LaserJock> hmm
[02:58] <Amaranth> XDG_CONFIG_HOME=/etc/xdg XDG_DATA_HOME=/usr/share sudo alacarte
[02:58] <Amaranth> LaserJock: root menu editing
[02:58] <Amaranth> :)
[02:58] <LaserJock> true
[02:59] <LaserJock> although I'd sure wan to have backups ;-)
[02:59] <Amaranth> i would for sudo smeg --root too
[02:59] <Amaranth> they work the same way :P
[03:01] <LaserJock> yeah, I should have thought of that
[03:01] <LaserJock> but the person left so fast
[03:46] <joejaxx> hey everyone
[03:55] <LaserJock> hi
[04:08] <joejaxx> LaserJock: trying out edubuntu server ins few moment
[04:08] <joejaxx> s
[06:01] <joejaxx> LaserJock: ?
[06:01] <joejaxx> or anyone else awake?
[06:01] <LaserJock> yeah?
[06:02] <joejaxx> i just setup a edubuntu server but it is giving me some problem
[06:02] <joejaxx> s
[06:02] <joejaxx> i have on interface setup to receive internet
[06:02] <joejaxx> another one static
[06:02] <joejaxx> i tried restarting dhcpd but it is not working
[06:04] <joejaxx> nevermind i think i got it
[06:05] <LaserJock> joejaxx: I'm probably the last person you want to ask
[06:05] <LaserJock> I've never set up an LTSP server
[06:05] <joejaxx> oh ok
[06:05] <joejaxx> woohoo
[06:06] <joejaxx> edubuntu server thinkclient environment in vmware
[06:06] <joejaxx> :D
[06:06] <joejaxx> it works
[06:07] <joejaxx> this is great
[06:07] <joejaxx> :)
[06:08] <joejaxx> this is great
[06:09] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:09] <joejaxx> Lol
[06:09] <joejaxx> i have the server in one window
[06:09] <joejaxx> and the thinclient in another
[06:10] <LaserJock> now throw another computer on the network
[06:10] <joejaxx> oh uh
[06:11] <joejaxx> hmm
[06:11] <joejaxx> it stops
[06:11] <joejaxx> the progress bar is in the middle of the second to last section on the progress bar
[11:46] <stgraber> morning
[12:34] <kihai> Hi! Don't know if my question is in the right place here. I'm using LTSP 5.0 (Edubuntu Edgy) and having troubles when users log off from their ltsp session. Sometimes gdm crashes and the client has to be rebooted. Is there a solution to this?
[12:35] <ogra> gdm ? did you tweak the setup ? usually there runs ldm on the clients ...
[12:35] <kihai> Ahem, I meant ldm....
[12:35] <ogra> ah, k
[12:36] <ogra> i havent seen that problem yet (and neither heard about)
[12:36] <ogra> could you file a bug against the ltsp package
[12:39] <ogra> getting ldm.log from the client would be helpful ...
[12:39] <kihai> OK, I'll try
[12:40] <kihai> ...can't find ldm.log in /op/ltsp/i386/var/log/ 
[12:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> it will be on the client itself i suspect
[12:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, would it be posible to backport edgy LTSP (local devices specifically) to dapper? i asked before edgy, but you were kinda busy to answer :)
[12:43] <kihai> I chrooted to /op/ltsp/i386 and looked in the /etc folder of the client, but there's no ldm.log
[12:47] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, it will be complicated, still looking into it, ltspfs is in universe in dapper and in main in edgy until i find sa proper solution thats the showstopper ...
[12:47] <ogra> kihai, sudo /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd <- set a root pw on the client ....
[12:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, thanks for the info.
[12:47] <ogra> kihai, on the client ctrl-alt-f1 and log in as root
[12:48] <ogra> then scp /var/log/ldm.log user@server /tmp/
[12:51] <ogra> note that the ldm.log only helps from a crshed session ...
[12:51] <ogra> *crashed
[12:55] <kihai> I can't log in directly from a crashed client, because when it's crashed, it's crashed --- only Alt+Print+S/U/B works. Not even Ctrl+Alt+Backspace works...
[12:56] <ogra> and it crashes even the user logged out properly ? 
[12:56] <kihai> The crash either shows a white screen or the empty desktop background. You cannot move the mouse or do anything else except Alt+Print+S/U/B
[12:57] <kihai> Yes, sometimes logging out works without probs and sometimes ldm crashes. Approximately every third logout fails. It's not sooo big a problem, because I then just reboot the client, but it's definately not nice...
[12:58] <ogra> no it isnt and needs to be fixed ... but i need more data about it unless i can reproduce it myself ...
[01:06] <kihai> I'll try to get on a client after it has crashed. brb
[01:21] <kihai> I found some errors in /var/log/X11.6.log on the client. ldm.log was empty. Just a second, I'll paste it in pastebin...
[01:22] <ogra> better attach it to  bug
[01:22] <ogra> *to a
[01:23] <kihai> Hmm, here is the output of Xorg.6.log from one crashed client: http://pastebin.com/828780
[01:25] <ogra> looks fine
[01:26] <ogra> ldm.log was empty even someone logged in successfully ? that cant be....
[01:32] <kihai> I'm not sure if so logged in successfully before. This was the only client that let me use Ctrl+Alt+F1
[01:35] <ogra> well, i need the ldm.log after a crash ... which indicates that you once logged in successfully since you say it happens after a number of logouts ...
[01:35] <ogra> ldm does only write errors or the login procedure to ldm.log .... 
[01:36] <ogra> if you never logged in and there are no errors the files is indeed empty
[01:36] <ogra> *file
[01:36] <kihai> OK, I see. I'll keep an eye open and will try to find a client which let's me copy the ldm.log. So long....
[01:39] <jsgmobile> Hey
[01:39] <ogra> you could install sshd in the client environment, so you can log in remotely to it and pull the log this way
[01:41] <kihai> hmm, will give it a try - after lunch ! :)
[01:42] <kihai> Ahem, you meant to install openssh-server, didn't you?
[01:43] <ogra> yep
[01:43] <ogra> (it brings the binary sshd, sorry for the confusion)
[01:51] <kihai> Hm, I get a file not found error when trying to install from the client: Err file: edgy/main openssh-server 1:4.3p2-5ubuntu1
[01:51] <kihai>   File not found
[01:51] <ogra> apt-get update first ?
[01:52] <kihai> Nope. Did Update first, but the same error ocurs...
[01:52] <ogra> but your server is online and you can ping the world if you are not in the chroot ?
[01:54] <kihai> yes
[01:54] <ogra> and from the chroot ? can you ping there ?
[01:55] <kihai> yes
[01:56] <jsgmobile> ogra: hey how are you doing? Man i miss being online with a working PC
[01:56] <kihai> OK, my sources.list on the clients only contains the cdrom entry. Can I just add the official ubuntu entries?
[01:56] <ogra> jsgmobile, trying to stay awake (1pm here) and fighting my jetlag ... i returned yesterday afternoon ...
[01:57] <ogra> kihai, just cp the sources.list fro the server into the chroot
[01:57] <ogra> *from
[02:00] <jsgmobile> Haha good to know ogra
[02:00] <kihai> Installation of openssh-server didn't work. It gave me some errors: A package failed to install..
[02:01] <ogra> on edgy ? hmm, that should work right away 
[02:02] <kihai> It works on the server. openssh-server is installed there.
[02:05] <ogra> indeed, else ltsp wouldnt work :)
[04:19] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:32] <highvoltage> morning scott
[04:32] <sbalneav> Hey highvoltage
[04:32] <blueonyx>  hi
[04:33] <highvoltage> hi blueonyx 
[04:33] <blueonyx> is there any tools like rc.d-update on edubuntu?
[04:33] <blueonyx> -s
[04:34] <sbalneav> Umm, update-rc.d?
[04:34] <edubuntugirl> sbalneav: by the way, mario_ told me to tell you 'I'm very sad that we didn't got the ltsp burning bits session, but oh well, stuff happens. On the other note, -multi now works under -tao in libburn.' 8 days, 16 hours, 37 minutes and 8 seconds ago (on Sun Nov 12 00:56:54 2006)
[04:34] <blueonyx> ah thx ;D
[04:34] <sbalneav> It's the same as in debian.
[04:35] <blueonyx> locate pxe
[04:35] <blueonyx> oops
[04:35] <blueonyx> sbalneav: mistake in my mind ;)
[05:34] <blueonyx> is there any way to see whats behind the boot splash (of a client)
[05:34] <blueonyx> ?
[05:35] <stgraber> Did you try pressing ESC or F2 ?
[05:41] <blueonyx> already fixed ;)
[05:41] <blueonyx> there was a kernel panic, thats why it did not respond
[05:42] <stgraber> ok :)
[05:42] <blueonyx> how does the thin client gets its kernel modules?
[05:43] <stgraber> they are in the initrd I think
[05:43] <blueonyx> it loads the kernel, but then halts because there is no net device
[05:44] <blueonyx> its a very old card isa i think
[05:44] <blueonyx> can it load this?
[05:44] <blueonyx> and of course detect it right before ;)
[05:44] <ogra> remove the word splash from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
[05:46] <blueonyx> thx ogra i found it already
[05:46] <stgraber> can you get the ID of your network card, to check that the required module is included ?
[05:47] <stgraber> ogra: Do you know if the Ubuntu kernel still detects ISA cards ?
[05:47] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:47] <stgraber> hi
[05:47] <blueonyx> i dont know what you mean, but the kernel panic is because init exits, then it cannot find a file called /tmp/net-eth0.conf : /
[05:47] <ogra> i think so, yes, but it cant configure them if they are not PNP ones ...
[05:48] <blueonyx> hi
[05:48] <ogra> blueonyx, sounds like stgraber is right, thats either a missing network card module or a bug in udev 
[05:49] <blueonyx> how do proof that the module is missing?
[05:49] <blueonyx> *how to
[05:49] <blueonyx> does it load the required modules from the server,too?
[05:50] <ogra> it loads whats in the initramfs ... 
[05:50] <stgraber> As soon as the Linux boots, both kernel and initrd should have been downloaded from the server
[05:50] <blueonyx> the tftp client only loads the vmlinuz and an pxelinux config file i think
[05:51] <ogra> which should be all possible network modules an ubuntu kernel has
[05:52] <ogra> the client recieves the PXE info first through the PXE protocol ... then the vmlinuz (kernel) and the initrd.gz (initramfs) files via tftp ...
[05:57] <sbalneav> ogra! Back in .de?
[05:57] <ogra> yep
[05:58] <ogra> with a fresh cold and heavy jetlag
[05:58] <sbalneav> Ugh.  Bummer.  When do you head out for Poland?
[05:59] <ogra> wednesday
[05:59] <sbalneav> Ah, so a bit of time to recover then.
[06:00] <sbalneav> Where do we want to start development wise?  I'll set up a feisty box at home, what would you like me to start in on?
[06:01] <ogra> not really ... i have to care for my lost wallet ... apparently the train i was booked for from berlin to lodz was cancelled 
[06:01] <blueonyx> seems the network card cannot be loaded correctly
[06:01] <ogra> took me the whole morning to rebook me to a flight ...
[06:10] <blueonyx> ohhh pnp was disabled
[06:10] <blueonyx> now isapnp detects the card but the same kernel panic  : /
[06:12] <blueonyx> ipconfig says no device found
[06:12] <blueonyx> what is ipconfig? is there a difference to ifconfig?
[06:13] <sbalneav> Sorry, I'm coming in late.  What card are you trying to detect?
[06:13] <blueonyx> ogra, bddebian, sbalneav any thoughts? please : ((
[06:13] <blueonyx> 3c5x9
[06:13] <blueonyx> 3com
[06:13] <blueonyx> isa
[06:13] <sbalneav> ugh
[06:14] <sbalneav> That's the only card you've got?
[06:14] <blueonyx> nearly ; )
[06:14] <blueonyx> why?
[06:14] <sbalneav> Man, it's been so long since I've dealt with an ISA card.  So, the kernel's not detecting it?
[06:15] <blueonyx> isapnp detects it but the needed module seems not to be loaded
[06:15] <sbalneav> Does it use jumpers, or the software setup
[06:15] <blueonyx> i enabled pnp via software
[06:16] <sbalneav> What happens if you try a sudo modprobe 3c509
[06:17] <blueonyx> ugh i have no terminal
[06:17] <blueonyx> because of the missing module, there is no netmount
[06:17] <sbalneav> What do you mean you have no terminal?
[06:17] <blueonyx> i am on the thinclient
[06:18] <sbalneav> Oh, this is on a thin client.
[06:18] <blueonyx> sry
[06:18] <blueonyx> the tip with another ethernet card do not work on all of these machines here
[06:18] <blueonyx> most of them have no pci slots ;)
[06:19] <sbalneav> I'd use the dos software to set the card manually.  If I remember correctly, the linux kernel will autodetect it if it sits at io address 0x320, and IRQ 5
[06:19] <blueonyx>  am  here in goog old germany with a little zoo, amazed that these machines even work with electronc power ; )
[06:20] <sbalneav> Do these machines have an isa video card?
[06:20] <sbalneav> What kind of processor?
[06:20] <blueonyx> my test machine has pci
[06:20] <blueonyx> pentium mmx
[06:20] <blueonyx> and a s3 pci card
[06:21] <sbalneav> I thought you said they don't have pci?
[06:21] <blueonyx> not on all machines
[06:22] <blueonyx> this is an exception
[06:22] <sbalneav> I'll ask again: are some of the machines you want to get working have an ISA video card?
[06:22] <blueonyx> could be
[06:22] <blueonyx> is this that important?
[06:23] <sbalneav> I would suggest that anything that doesn't have PCI bus won't make a good terminal.
[06:23] <sbalneav> In #ltsp, we tell people that ISA video cards don't have enough bus bandwidth to make reasonable terminals.
[06:24] <blueonyx> hm
[06:24] <sbalneav> At any rate, use the DOS disk that comes with the card, and try setting the card to 0x320, and IRWQ 5
[06:24] <blueonyx> it worked with an simple xserver
[06:24] <sbalneav> Right, but you probably weren't using the net at the same time, were you?
[06:24] <blueonyx> i will try this
[06:25] <sbalneav> Remember: as a terminal, you're going to be CONSTANTLY using the network AND the video card.
[06:25] <blueonyx> the xserver ran on another machine
[06:25] <sbalneav> The ISA bus simply doesn't have sufficient bandwidth to do this well.
[06:25] <blueonyx> as xserver for all machines of this zoo
[06:26] <sbalneav> What app are you planning on running? An text terminal, or a browser?
[06:26] <blueonyx> justbrowsing
[06:27] <blueonyx> i have a closer look at the mchines
[06:27] <blueonyx> w8
[06:28] <blueonyx> i am sorry there are pci cards and pci video cards but thats not my problem : (
[06:29] <blueonyx> < sbalneav> I'd use the dos software to set the card manually.  If I remember correctly, the linux kernel will autodetect it if it sits at io address 0x320, and IRQ 5
[06:29] <blueonyx> what do you mean by "the kernel"?
[06:29] <sbalneav> The kernel
[06:29] <sbalneav> The Linux kernel
[06:29] <blueonyx> there is a message from isapnp which says that the card is found
[06:29] <blueonyx> while booting
[06:30] <sbalneav> "Found" and "Working" are two different things :)
[06:31] <blueonyx> thank you for your time i got to go home : (
[06:31] <blueonyx> see you tomorrow?
[06:31] <sbalneav> How many machines are you talking about here, that you want to set up?  For the amount of time you're going to spend on this, why not jus buy....
[06:31] <sbalneav> some pci network cards.
[06:31] <blueonyx> atm there are 8 machines
[06:31] <sbalneav> They're cheap, you can get Ether express pro 100's for like 30 bucks, why not save yourself hours of aggro.
[06:32] <sbalneav> so, 30x8 = 240bucks.  that's cheap.
[06:32] <blueonyx> but as i told you i am from germany and here is no money, even not for some pci network cards ; )
[06:32] <sbalneav> No money in germany?
[06:32] <sbalneav> C'mon
[06:32] <sbalneav> It'
[06:32] <sbalneav> It's a G8 industrialized nation.
[06:32] <blueonyx> no money for education
[06:33] <blueonyx> see you tomorrow bye
[06:33] <sbalneav> Phht.
[06:33] <sbalneav> So, at a zoo, you can't scrape up $240 bucks?
[06:33] <sbalneav> I wonder if they feed the animals. :)
[06:33] <stgraber> imo, buying 8 network cards isn't a problem if we consider the time you will need to make it work otherwise
[06:34] <sbalneav> Well, that's my point.
[06:34] <sbalneav> I mean, if it's some homeless shelter in venezuela, I could see the problem.
[06:34] <sbalneav> This is a ZOO in GERMANY
[06:35] <stgraber> here, network cards (rtl8139) are at around : 6euro if we order more than 10
[06:35] <stgraber> so, that's not really a problem I think :)
[06:35] <sbalneav> Do those come with pxe?
[06:35] <stgraber> no, but we had some useless harddisk
[06:35] <stgraber> and just put etherboot on them
[06:35] <sbalneav> Yeah, or a boot floppy.
[06:35] <sbalneav> heh
[06:35] <stgraber> boot floppy isn't a good idea in school :)
[06:36] <sbalneav> Sure, just unbolt the floppy from the front of the machine, and mount it internally in the hard drive bay :)
[06:36] <stgraber> and I really doubt that this 3com card do something more than 10Mb/s which can be a little be short sometime
[06:37] <stgraber> yes, great idea :)
[06:37] <sbalneav> Yeah, the 509's only 10 megs
[06:54] <Burgwork> http://kidswithout.homelinux.net/
[07:06] <squid0> hi
[07:06] <squid0> can someone please tell me about edubuntu's internet filter? is there such a thing?
[07:06] <stgraber> VmWare rocks, I made a virtual server+3client network, with the server connected to the internet and everything
[07:07] <stgraber> and it's really fast !!! (compared with qemu+kqemu)
[07:07] <sbalneav> squid0: What is it you'd like to know?
[07:08] <sbalneav> I think you can use Synaptic to add the package dansguardian
[07:09] <sbalneav> From the package:
[07:09] <sbalneav> DansGuardian is designed to be completely flexible and allows you to tailor the
[07:09] <sbalneav>  filtering to your exact needs. It can be as draconian or as unobstructive as
[07:09] <sbalneav>  you want. The default settings are geared towards what a primay school might
[07:09] <sbalneav>  want but DansGuardian puts you in control of what you want to block. 
[07:09] <squid0> sbalneav: i've tried to use dansguardian before, but it's a bit complicated; i think you have to set up a proxy server as well, etc. etc. i just thought if there was a specific one in edubuntu, i'd like to use it... I use kubuntu, but i'd like to see what edubuntu has to offer in this area
[07:10] <sbalneav> Dan's Guardian is what the standard one is, yes.  And you're right, you need to set up a proxy.
[07:10] <squid0> oh
[07:10] <squid0> ok then
[07:11] <squid0> i'll google it... not up to a night of tinkering... i;d like something easy :)
[07:12] <sbalneav> Content filtering's a complex topic.  No easy answers there.
[07:13] <squid0> ok...
[07:23] <cbx33> evenin all
[07:23] <cbx33> hi willvdl 
[07:24] <Burgwork> cbx33: you did the scp stuff last round, no?
[07:24] <cbx33> yes i ded
[07:24] <cbx33> y?
[07:24] <Burgwork> mind if we totally redesign the UI this time?
[07:26] <cbx33> it was ogra's UI
[07:26] <cbx33> as long as he's ok with it
[07:26] <Burgwork> ah
[07:26] <cbx33> I am
[07:26] <cbx33> I only added a few thing
[07:26] <Burgwork> it is ok, just needs some tweaking
[07:26] <cbx33> but it needs to change anyway if we're going to have the VNC thumbnails
[07:26] <Burgwork> I think the adding of vnc thumbnails requires some thinking
[07:27] <cbx33> yes
[07:27] <cbx33> I agree
[07:27] <cbx33> but then again I don;t know who is working on it this time round?
[07:27] <Burgwork> no idea
[07:27] <cbx33> ogra didn't have time last release so I stepped in to do it all
[07:27] <Burgwork> wiirush: you @#$@#@$
[07:27] <Burgwork> :)
[07:27] <wiirush> heh
[07:27] <wiiprush> there
[07:28] <Burgwork> wiiprush: no, it is that you have a wii and I don't
[07:28] <stgraber> The other question is do we really use VNC for the thumbnails, that means having a VNC connection to all the clients, that also means a lot of bandwidth
[07:28] <cbx33> Burgwork, I presume we'll have a developers meeting sometime soon at least, if I'm working on it, I'll call for one
[07:28] <cbx33> stgraber, well, not really
[07:29] <cbx33> seeing as all the clients are on that server anyway
[07:29] <Burgwork> we also need to make the backend deal with fat clients, thin clients and multiseat
[07:29] <cbx33> Burgwork, that will require a lot more work
[07:29] <cbx33> and I don;t know if it's in the spec
[07:29] <Burgwork> no, but it needs to be a long term goal
[07:29] <cbx33> indeed
[07:29] <Burgwork> maybe require telepathy?
[07:30] <cbx33> not sure
[07:30] <Burgwork> just an interesting idea
[07:30] <cbx33> brb
[07:34] <stgraber> Just a stupid question, how can I force a LTSP client to run using 800x600 instead of 1024x768 ? I tried with X_MODE_0 in lts.conf and by changing in xorg.conf, but I still have this too big 1024x768 resolution ...
[08:01] <sbalneav> stgraber: You'll have to set the X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH low enough
[08:01] <sbalneav> Unfortunately, X currently doesn't allow for preseeding the X_MODE lines, we'll get that fixed for next version.
[08:02] <stgraber> ok, thanks
[08:07] <Lukef> Hi all
[08:07] <Lukef> anyone available to help a teacher run through an Edubuntu install??
[08:08] <stgraber> I can help
[08:08] <Lukef> hanks stgraber
[08:08] <Lukef> thanks
[08:09] <Lukef> I pop the live install CD in (which works on other machines) on an random IMB thinkpad
[08:09] <Lukef> I can get to the inital install screen, but then get two errors 
[08:09] <Lukef> im rebooting now so I can type in the errors I get :P
[08:10] <stgraber> ok
[08:10] <Lukef> should i start normal.. or in safe graphics mode?
[08:10] <stgraber> when did you get those errors ?
[08:11] <stgraber> during the boot of the livecd or in the installer itself ?
[08:11] <Lukef> I'm at the main install screen now.. where it gives me options to install
[08:11] <Lukef> during the Boot of the Livecd
[08:12] <stgraber> you can try the safe graphics mode, but I doubt it's a graphic problem
[08:12] <Lukef> k
[08:12] <Lukef> im booting into safe graphics mode now
[08:12] <Lukef> the kernel runs.. and i get the initial "loading" screen for edubuntu
[08:14] <Lukef> it is off of the "loading" screen and is black now
[08:14] <Lukef> but i hear the CD working
[08:14] <stgraber> ok, so it's probably trying to launch the X server
[08:14] <Lukef> ya
[08:15] <Lukef> its checking file systems now
[08:15] <Lukef> and activating swap
[08:16] <Lukeff> sorry Stgraber.. i got booted
[08:16] <Lukeff> the first error just popped up .. GDM Could not write a new authorization entry to disk. Possibly out of diskspace. Error: No space left on Device.
[08:17] <Lukeff> should i hit OK to get past this error?
[08:18] <stgraber> usually the "disk" with a livecd is the ram, how much ram do you have ?
[08:19] <Lukeff> 256
[08:19] <Lukeff> its an older laptop.. but still fairly decent
[08:19] <stgraber> 256 should be enough
[08:19] <stgraber> I only had some problem with 128MB
[08:19] <Lukeff> hrmm.. weird
[08:21] <stgraber> ok, and what's the next error ?
[08:22] <Lukeff> Next error is "Could not start the X server due to some internal error. Please contact your sys admin or check your syslog to diagnose. In the meantime this display will be disabled. Please restart GDM when the problem is corrected.
[08:22] <stgraber> ok, so both seems to be related
[08:22] <stgraber> do you have a login prompt ?
[08:22] <LukeF> ugh.. keep getting booted 
[08:23] <LukeF> should I ALT CRTL F1?
[08:23] <stgraber> yes please
[08:23] <LukeF> k
[08:23] <LukeF> im in cmd line
[08:24] <stgraber> ok, so do :
[08:24] <stgraber> free
[08:24] <stgraber> df -h
[08:24] <stgraber> first is the info about your current ram usage
[08:24] <stgraber> second is about the harddisk (and ramdisk as well)
[08:24] <LukeF> oh wait.. I only have 128 megs :P 
[08:25] <stgraber> and how much free memory ?
[08:26] <stgraber> the free column and -/+ row
[08:26] <LukeF> I have a measly 2412 free
[08:26] <LukeF> 123052 used
[08:26] <stgraber> hmm, really not enough for a X server I guess :)
[08:26] <LukeF> ugh :P 
[08:26] <LukeF> is there still a way to install ?
[08:26] <stgraber> yes, but not with the livecd
[08:26] <LukeF> i really want kids to get their hands on a new machine
[08:26] <LukeF> kk
[08:26] <stgraber> you have to download the install cd
[08:27] <LukeF> can i run the install from the live CD?
[08:27] <stgraber> nope
[08:27] <stgraber> that's a different cd
[08:27] <LukeF> so download the install CD
[08:27] <LukeF> and try it from there?
[08:28] <stgraber> yes, just take care to choose the Workstation install
[08:28] <stgraber> not the "Install to disk" one
[08:28] <stgraber> Install to disk is to install a server
[08:28] <LukeF> why the workstation install?
[08:28] <LukeF> ahh.. 
[08:28] <LukeF> thank you 
[08:28] <stgraber> Workstation is to have the same install as the live-cd
[08:28] <stgraber> no problem
[08:28] <LukeF> awesome
[08:28] <LukeF> thanks so much!!
[08:29] <stgraber> http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/6.10/edubuntu-6.10-install-i386.iso
[08:29] <stgraber> for the Edgy x86 install cd
[08:30] <LukeF> thanks much stgraber.. ill try it again tomorrow
[08:37] <littlepaul> hi, where can I read some (advanced) technical documentation about the LTSP-5 infrastructure?; I didn't found something on wiki.ltsp.org
[08:38] <sbalneav> heh, don't think we have much doco yet, other than the source :)
[08:48] <Burgwork> http://edu-nix.org/shanecoyle/?p=18
[08:54] <Burgwork> sbalneav: ^
[09:29] <jamey> Hi I'm interested to know how suited Edubuntu would be in a UK college environment, the students are aged between 16 and 20. A few major components look like they wouldn't be necessary, is there anything that would make it ideal for such a situation?
[09:30] <LaserJock> well, having an out of the box LTSP solution is nice
[09:30] <jamey> oh, yes good point... there aren't many other distros that do this then I gather?
[09:30] <cbx33> jamey, oooh where abouts in the UK are you?
[09:31] <jamey> cbx33, shropshire
[09:31] <cbx33> ahh
[09:31] <stelis> jamey: Which College?
[09:31] <LaserJock> you Brits and your shires :p
[09:31] <stelis> (I'm in Mid-Wales)
[09:32] <jamey> its new college, in telford
[09:32] <LaserJock> jamey: the default educational apps aren't really suited to college, but that'll mostly be the case anywhere
[09:32] <LaserJock> LTSP would be the reason to use Edubuntu in a college, IMO
[09:32] <jamey> LaserJock, I thought so... but there are a few apps I've noticed that would be of use
[09:33] <jamey> LaserJock, yeah I thought so, plus just the name and its overall slickness
[09:33] <LaserJock> I'm trying to get my Department to switch to an Edubuntu LTSP lab
[09:33] <LaserJock> yes, it's still got all the Ubuntu features
[09:33] <jamey> LaserJock, I'm trying to convince mine that it's worthwhile not to spend thousands on licenses and instead spend it on the hardware (or just stop spending altogether!)
[09:33] <LaserJock> all the same repositories
[09:33] <jamey> thought so
[09:34] <jamey> even the fact that the mathematics department use Autograph, which is quite expensive I gather, and there is a KDE-type app included in Edubuntu
[09:34] <cbx33> jamey, it's very difficult in the UK to convince people to use open source
[09:34] <cbx33> grr....I wish we had been able to go to BETT
[09:35] <jamey> cbx33, grrr i've felt that for a long time!
[09:35] <jamey> BETT?
[09:35] <jamey> does it do a lot of open source stuff at its show?
[09:35] <LaserJock> jamey: the next release of Edubuntu in April should have better college age support out of the box
[09:35] <stelis> cbx33: I'd say that OSS on the desktop is hard to sell
[09:35] <jamey> LaserJock, brilliant... what version and can I see development docs or something?
[09:35] <cbx33> stelis, it's not just that
[09:35] <stelis> Moodle etc. on the server is all over
[09:35] <cbx33> jamey, that will be feisty
[09:36] <jamey> cbx33, wow so soon!
[09:36] <jamey> I saw this company and thought they had the right ideas: http://www.siriusit.co.uk/
[09:36] <cbx33> ah yes
[09:36] <cbx33> I've sopken to them 
[09:36] <jamey> cbx33, cool did they have anything to say about it?
[09:36] <cbx33> well.....not really ;)
[09:37] <cbx33> I phoned them to ask if I could interview them for YouthLUG radio
[09:37] <cbx33> got any young linux users at the college?
[09:37] <cbx33> brb
[09:38] <LaserJock> jamey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuOnTwoCDs will be a part of it
[09:38] <jamey> cbx33, not really, I'm in the second year computing class (it's barely a dozen people) and just about every person has submitted to the MS plague
[09:38] <jamey> LaserJock, cool thanks... I noticed there is quite a bit of out-of-date stuff on the wiki :S
[09:39] <jamey> cbx33, sorry I forgot... unless you count me!
[09:39] <LaserJock> jamey: can be, we use it for a variety of things, sometimes archival ;-)
[09:39] <jamey> LaserJock, ah right it's just the release notes referred to 5.10!
[09:40] <LaserJock> ah, yes, I believe that might have been fixed
[09:40] <LaserJock> just a minor typo ;-)
[09:41] <LaserJock> hi RichEd 
[09:41] <LaserJock> jamey: we're also trying to work to make sure the "theming" is suitable for college age too
[09:41] <RichEd> hi there ...
[09:42] <LaserJock> jamey: it's hard to produce one distro that suits preschool up to university
[09:42] <RichEd> just connecting to get email ... will disappear in a sec
[09:42] <jamey> LaserJock, yes it definitely is
[09:42] <jamey> perhaps there could be a feature similar to the dynamic-menus suggestion where you can select the 'age range'?
[09:43] <LaserJock> jamey: yes, yes. I'm pretty eager to do that
[09:43] <LaserJock> jamey: I'm the person that did the dynamic menus
[09:43] <LaserJock> I'm also a uni student
[09:43] <jamey> LaserJock, cool :) where at?
[09:43] <LaserJock> University of Nevada, Reno USA
[09:44] <LaserJock> PhD student in Physical Chemisty
[09:44] <LaserJock> *Chemistry
[09:44] <jamey> woah fun :D
[09:44] <jamey> I want to help with the project somehow, not sure what to do really
[09:44] <stelis> Docs?
[09:44] <LaserJock> jamey: well, if you hang out some
[09:44] <LaserJock> we can certainly find things for you to do :-)
[09:45] <jamey> okay great :)
[09:45] <jamey> stelis, where to start though?
[09:45] <LaserJock> I know I'll need testers for the dynamic menus stuff I'm working on
[09:45] <jamey> LaserJock, can I test it using the workstation install mode or does it have to be the standard server install?
[09:45] <stelis> There's a Handbook under development, which needs a few sections completing
[09:46] <LaserJock> jamey: workstation is fine. in fact you could test it from regular Ubuntu
[09:46] <LaserJock> I've actually never done an LTSP server install yet
[09:46] <jamey> LaserJock, would I need to change sources.list at all
[09:46] <LaserJock> it's on my todo list
[09:46] <jamey> wow lol
[09:46] <LaserJock> jamey: nope
[09:46] <jamey> cool
[09:46] <jamey> stelis, url?
[09:46] <LaserJock> I've always had stupid DHCP conflicts
[09:47] <jamey> LaserJock, I was afraid of that since even if I did a test I'm sure it would conflict with the router et al
[09:48] <LaserJock> I think for simply testing an LTSP server you can directly hook the client and server together
[09:48] <LaserJock> we did that at the Paris dev summit
[09:48] <jamey> good point
[09:48] <stelis> jamey: It's available from Subversion - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[09:48] <jamey> wow must've been quite a trip
[09:49] <LaserJock> jamey: yes it was, but well worth it :-)
[09:49] <jamey> LaserJock, I bet :) do you know whether the centralised network auth server will be in edubuntu fesity fawn?
[09:49] <jamey> stelis, thanks I'll have to explore this
[09:50] <LaserJock> jamey: I believe that is the plan :-)
[09:50] <cbx33> that's will be good
[09:50] <cbx33> esp if we can get home mounting working
[09:50] <stelis> The handbook is under edubuntu/handbook/C
[09:50] <cbx33> that is a must as far as I'm concerned
[09:50] <jamey> stelis, thanks
[09:50] <jamey> then it will work just like 99% of UK schools
[09:51] <jamey> or colleges... the authentication and copying of home dir on Windows is so slow
[09:51] <jamey> (thank goodness for LTSP)
[09:51] <cbx33> indeed
[09:51] <cbx33> I had it working almost with the home mounting
[09:51] <cbx33> it just wouldn't log in because it couldn't create a file in the home dir I think was the issue
[09:51] <jamey> why would that be do you think?
[09:52] <cbx33> not sure.....I did investigate it all back then
[09:52] <cbx33> but tbh I have forgotten a lot now
[09:52] <cbx33> it may work?
[09:53] <jamey> well that's good then, who else is working on it?
[09:53] <cbx33> well I',m not !!
[09:53] <cbx33> heheh
[09:53] <jamey> :P
[09:54] <LaserJock> well, Ubuntu has a new directory services team
[09:54] <jamey> why else do you reckon FOSS is so hard to convince people in the UK to use?
[09:54] <jamey> what's that then
[09:54] <LaserJock> "People interested in making network directory and authentication services (LDAP, DNS, Kerberos) play nicely with Ubuntu."
[09:55] <paolob-parroquia> Hi guys!
[09:55] <LaserJock> jamey: we also have spec for Edubuntu network authentication client and server for Feisty
[09:55] <jamey> LaserJock, ah right yes.
[09:56] <jamey> LaserJock, I saw - that's why I asked whether ti would be in fesity
[09:56] <jamey> feisty*
[09:56] <LaserJock> yep, that's the plan
[09:56] <paolob-parroquia> I have a problem with the upgrade to edgy. apparently all was ok, but now all the user see an english keyboard, while before it was spanish. What can I do?
[09:56] <juliux> paolob-parroquia, you can set the keyboard option in the lts.conf
[09:57] <paolob-parroquia> juliux, let me see
[09:57] <juliux> XKBLAYOUT = 
[09:58] <juliux> and then your keycode for spain
[09:59] <jamey> cbx33, i've checked out the docs, i'm in /edubuntu now... what's to do? sorry, i'm a bit of a newbie at this.
[10:00] <stelis> "make hb"
[10:01] <stelis> Empty sections are marked "for adoption"
[10:02] <stelis> I've just finished a draft for the look and feel section
[10:02] <paolob-parroquia> juliux, after changing it should I restart dhcp or something else?
[10:02] <stelis> About thirty seconds ago
[10:02] <jamey> stelis, you've lost me... how can I check what's marked for adoption and so on?
[10:03] <stelis> Either generate the HTML version with the "make hb", or just "grep -i adoption *.xml"
[10:05] <jamey> looks like I'll have to install build-tools then?
[10:05] <stelis> Yes, you need "make" plus the DocBook packages.
[10:06] <juliux> paolob-parroquia, only reboot the clients
[10:06] <stelis> If you are new then you could write up the text and somebody else might add the DocBook markup for you.
[10:06] <littlepaul> jamey, #
[10:06] <littlepaul> build-essential
[10:06] <littlepaul> #
[10:06] <littlepaul> subversion
[10:06] <littlepaul> #
[10:06] <littlepaul> xsltproc
[10:06] <littlepaul> #
[10:06] <littlepaul> docbook-xsl
[10:06] <littlepaul> #
[10:06] <littlepaul> docbook-defguide 
[10:07] <jamey> littlepaul, thanks!
[10:09] <jamey> stelis, "make hb" does nothing?
[10:09] <jamey> stelis, sorry :$ wrong dir
[10:10] <jamey> stelis, is it wise for me to start with something blank like the "About the Edubuntu Handbook" section?
[10:11] <stelis> Sure, you might find it easier.
[10:12] <jamey> stelis, I'm out on a limb here though... what shall I put :D
[10:13] <littlepaul> LaserJock, where is the thing with the dynamic profiles documented? I would like to read more about this
[10:13] <jamey> littlepaul, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDynamicMenus?highlight=%28CategorySpec%29
[10:13] <jamey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDynamicMenus
[10:13] <jamey> sorry, dirty URL
[10:13] <LaserJock> yeah, I don't have really any good docs yet
[10:13] <LaserJock> that'll be one thing I'll be working on
[10:14] <littlepaul> ok, thx
[10:14] <LaserJock> I managed an initial implementation in Edgy
[10:14] <LaserJock> that's in the Universe repo
[10:14] <stelis> jamey: That's probably the least specific section :)
[10:15] <jamey> stelis, good point :) i'll give it a go though, I'm a bit nervous about getting things "right"
[10:15] <stelis> jamey: Do you have a working copy of Edubuntu?
[10:16] <jamey> stelis, no but I did have on another HDD last week. I might install it again
[10:17] <stelis> I've just had a look at the remaining sections, and "installtypes" is probably fairly easy to do as you install Edubuntu
[10:19] <jamey> stelis, ok thanks I'll see what I can come up with
[10:20] <stelis> jamey: I'm just a random contributor. If you ask on this channel or #ubuntu-doc there are usually helpful people around.
[10:22] <jamey> stelis, okay sure. thanks for your help, it's appreciated
[11:46] <stewski> hi richEd mc44 suggested this may be of use to you.
[11:46] <stewski> http://opensourceacademy.gov.uk/solutions/casestudies/birminham-city-council/file
[11:47] <LaserJock> stewski: RichEd isn't around unfortunately
[11:47] <stewski> its a detailed account of an attempted roll out of linux in Birmingham city council - uk
[11:48] <stewski> not directly Ubuntu related as they went with Suse but there maybe some useful lessons?
[11:48] <stewski> No problem laserjock perhaps he'll catch it on scroll back?
[11:49] <LaserJock> perhaps, I  can send it to the edubuntu-devel ML too
[11:50] <stewski> excellent - its being unfairly reported as a flop but there are some big positives and a lot of useful feedback
[11:51] <Burgwork> use edubuntugirl
[11:51] <Burgwork> edubuntugirl: tell riched http://opensourceacademy.gov.uk/solutions/casestudies/birminham-city-council/file
[11:51] <edubuntugirl> Righto, Burgwork!
[11:51] <LaserJock> Burgwork: doh, good idea
[11:51] <LaserJock>  edubuntugirl: tell RichEd http://opensourceacademy.gov.uk/solutions/casestudies/birminham-city-council/file
[11:51] <edubuntugirl> Righto, LaserJock!
[11:52] <LaserJock> I'm guessing it might matter which nick you tell her
[11:52] <stewski> does anyone know much about edubuntu/ubuntu in an application served environment like NX or citrix?
[11:59] <stelis> stewski: That's a bit specialized.
[11:59] <stewski> just a long shot
[11:59] <stelis> If you ask on a mailing list there are more potentially respondents
[12:00] <stelis> ubuntu-education or edubuntu-users, maybe
[12:00] <LaserJock> stewski: how do you mean?
[12:00] <LaserJock> I use citrix clients on Ubuntu quite a bit
[12:01] <stewski> excellent, well I'm looking at server based computing for my 3rd year project
[12:01] <stewski> I want to account for its impact in network design
[12:02] <LaserJock> my uni has a few citrix servers set up
[12:02] <LaserJock> we mostly use them for specific math/science programs
[12:02] <LaserJock> expensive stuff where licensing cost become an issue
[12:02] <stewski> but I also wanted to do a run down of 2X/NX/Citrix and TS/RDP
[12:03] <stewski> so I understand
[12:03] <stewski> http://www.2x.com/applicationserver/ is supposed to be cheaper
[12:03] <stewski> and sun's offering has got TS support these days
[12:04] <stewski> how well does citrix work in your environment?
[12:04] <LaserJock> pretty good as long as the licenses work :-)
[12:05] <LaserJock> I don't use it for a full on desktop
[12:05] <stewski> are you switched 100mb lan?
[12:05] <LaserJock> I think so
[12:05] <LaserJock> it's a university in the US
[12:05] <LaserJock> we have pretty decent connections
[12:05] <stewski> just application serving?
[12:06] <LaserJock> stewski: I believe so
[12:06] <LaserJock> at least the servers I use
[12:06] <stewski> do you just have a MS application icon on a gnome desktop that launches a remote app seamlessly no problem?
[12:08] <LaserJock> well
[12:08] <LaserJock> I have an .ica file
[12:09] <LaserJock> that launches the citrix client
[12:09] <LaserJock> then I authenticate and it pops up
[12:09] <LaserJock> so it's pretty seamless, just have to login first
[12:13] <stewski> cheers laser helpful to know what people are using