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LeeJunFanWhat handles the acpi button events for volume? Feisty lost mine, I don't know what package to file a bug under.01:13
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webbeni asked this hours ago, sorry if anyone's heard it before, but Why can kdelibs5 not be installed alongside libqt4-dev-kdecopy?01:23
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webbenHow is one supposed to run qtmake-qt4 with the second development snapshot of kde?01:23
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HobbseeRiddell: ping?03:05
HobbseeRiddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/72409 needs to be fixed.  it's a regression from edgy03:06
UbugtuMalone bug 72409 in kubuntu-meta "kdesu doesnt accept password! but sudo does." [High,Confirmed]  03:06
Jucatohi Hobbsee03:07
Hobbseehey Jucato 03:07
imbrandonmoins all04:02
Hobbseehey imbrandon 04:02
imbrandonheya Hobbsee 04:03
imbrandonfigure out the kdesu bug ?04:03
Jucatohi imbrandon04:03
imbrandonello Jucato 04:03
Hobbseeimbrandon: nope, didnt look04:05
Hobbseeimbrandon: exam study :(04:05
Hobbseeimbrandon: 2 exams tomorrow :(04:05
metresI just post the bug 72486 and I dont know if its related : when I executed kdesu konqueror, i am unbale to open file with kate...04:08
UbugtuMalone bug 72486 in kubuntu-meta "KDEInit ne peut pas lancer  kate . (= KDEInit couldnt launch  kate .)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7248604:08
metressame idea same time...04:08
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imbrandonanyone else notice there are no desktop icons in feisty05:37
imbrandon( even for files that are on the desktop )05:37
freeflyingimbrandon: feisty can be used now?05:38
imbrandonhrm never mind, i figured it out05:39
imbrandonfreeflying: i've been using it over a week now, there are lots of quarks though05:39
imbrandonbe warned , its not for everyday use 05:39
Hawkwindimbrandon: Are there any daily Feisty ISO's generated yet ?05:41
imbrandonnot that i'm aware of05:41
imbrandonits far too early for that anyhow05:42
HawkwindI just didn't want to install Edgy in vmware and then upgrade.  But guess I have no choice05:42
Hobbseeimbrandon: kdesu is broken06:02
Hobbseeat least you know about that one :P06:02
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Mezyou may if your lucky in the near future get to hear my dulcet tones on an internet radio station again06:58
Hobbseeoh dera...06:58
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Mezhey - I've worked in real radio07:04
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crimsunhmm, uber lng07:24
Mezcrimsun, I couldnt be bothered with vowels for that word07:28
crimsun:-)  I imagined "uber lung"07:30
JucatoHobbsee: you forgot (tm)07:31
HobbseeJucato: no i didnt.  look carefely07:32
Jucatolol it was too small :)07:32
Jucatolooks like just a group '''' to me :P07:32
MezHobbsee, why did you run?07:43
HobbseeMez: at the thought of hearing you on the radio?  :P07:43
Mezwhy ?07:44
Hobbseeno reason07:44
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nixternalerlang is rediculous..i can't believe im sitting here trying to learn it07:46
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Jucatohi kwwii!!08:22
Lurehi kwwii08:23
kwwiihi Jucato, Lure :-)08:23
Riddellmorning all08:30
Luremorning Riddell - already in GMT?08:31
Jucato7:31 AM I think08:31
kwwiimoin Riddell08:31
kwwiiRiddell: did you see the makefile that raphink made for oxygen?08:32
imbrandonmoins kwwii and Riddell 08:33
imbrandonRiddell: back on GMT ? hehe08:33
Riddellkwwii: I did not08:33
RiddellI woke up about three hours ago, so not really on GMT yet08:34
imbrandonheh, getting closer though :)08:34
kwwiihehe, it took me several days to get back to sleeping all night08:34
kwwiiRiddell: it is in playground/artwork/Oxygen/utils/Makefile (note that you have to put an index.theme in the theme dir, and that it erases the .svn stuff)08:35
Riddelllonger term I don't think KDE should build-dep on inkscape08:39
kwwiiyeah, definitely not...we really need someone to look into hacking ksvg2 or some other k alternative08:40
kwwiiwe tried to use rsvg but that had really poor results on the small icons08:40
Riddellprobably easiest just to have the inkscape generated PNGs in SVN 08:45
sebasRiddell: Same here, woke up at 5.00 CET :/08:45
kwwiimy keeps looking at me funny when I get up earlier than her...she asked me yesterday if I had gone to bed at all :p08:47
sebasHehe, same here :>08:47
sebasUpside is that I'm already quite far sorting out the details for next weekend's meeting08:48
kwwiisebas: when are you arriving? 08:49
kwwiiI thought about coming on thursday08:49
sebasI'm arriving on Friday, Wade will be there earlier, however.08:49
kwwiicool...in the end it is up to my wife, really08:51
sebasHehe :>08:51
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imbrandonheay sebas 09:12
imbrandonkwwii: i gave you and nuno some love in the last UWN ( just a one liner :( )09:13
sebasAye, where's the link? (Hello lazyweb)09:18
imbrandonsebas: to the UWN ? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue2109:19
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sebasimbrandon: Cool :)09:20
imbrandonhaha infact your in there too sebas i forgot about that 09:20
imbrandoni fogot to add the guidance stuff but i'll add that next issue09:21
sebasNo problem09:21
sebasSome progress on the idle time detection, btw.09:21
sebasLooks like we'll have that stuff shortly09:21
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imbrandontime to hack my pod a bit for soemthing diffrent09:29
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freeflyingimbrandon: how about bug fix in edgy? upload directly? or updates?09:35
imbrandona bug fix for edgy has to go though the SRU process 09:35
kwwiiimbrandon: he needs all thelove he can get :-)09:38
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Riddellhi Bochi 10:16
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imbrandoni hate gambas at times10:39
crimsunbut do you hate gambas as often as I hate isa audio devices?10:45
imbrandonheh probably not10:47
imbrandon( as i'm still using it )10:47
crimsunplease make taglib not choke on non-UTF-8 vorbis tags :(10:50
imbrandondoes it ?10:50
imbrandonthat cant be good, /me looks10:50
crimsunI'll reproduce it later and write up a bug report10:51
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HobbseeRiddell: :D11:16
HobbseeRiddell: so you did know about it :)11:16
Riddellsure, you told me11:16
Hobbseei meant before that11:16
=== Hobbsee was quite suprised to see that kdesu broke.
Riddellit just needs compiled with --with-sudo-kdesu-backend11:18
HobbseeRiddell: also, kubuntu-desktop is uninstallable, due to python-qt4.11:19
Riddellit complains about k3b when I try and install it11:22
Riddellno mention of python11:22
Riddell"python-qt4: Depends: python-sip4 (< 4.5) but 4.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed"11:23
Hobbseethat's the one11:23
Riddellah well, pyqt4 needs upgraded to the latest version11:23
=== Hobbsee dist-upgraded, which is why she probably didnt get the k3b breakage
Hobbseequite likely11:24
=== Hobbsee will leave that to you :)
Riddellthanks :)11:24
HobbseeRiddell: you could do my two exams tomorrow instead, if you wanted.11:25
Tm_TKopete with full speech is fun, soon irritating. =)11:27
Tm_THmm, really should find way to get this useful for restricted ones.11:28
Tm_TThank you sir.11:29
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imbrandoncrimsun: ( or someone ) is there a way to tell the dependancys of a binary by looking at the binary only ?11:47
imbrandonhrm kk11:48
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Hobbseewhat, about from apt-cache show foo | grep Depends?11:49
imbrandonif its not a deb it dosent help :)11:49
Hobbseeyou didnt specify what kind of binary11:49
imbrandonfile kpkg11:50
imbrandonkpkg: a /usr/bin/gbx -x script text executable11:50
imbrandon^^ that kind :)11:50
Hobbseeoh right11:50
fdovingimbrandon: ping for upload. se bug 6958312:02
UbugtuMalone bug 69583 in kopete "SRU: kopete can't connect to ICQ. " [Low,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6958312:02
imbrandonto -proposed ?12:02
fdovingdidn't know i could change the patch without a new approval. but one can apparently do that.12:03
fdoving(ref. last comment by mdz)12:03
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imbrandonfdoving: this patch ? http://librarian.launchpad.net/4945802/kopete_fix_kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1_to_kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu3.debdiff12:04
fdovinghang on.12:04
fdovingubuntu1 to ubuntu3 , yes.12:06
fdovingthat's the one.12:06
fdovingubuntu2 is already in -proposed, that's why we jump from ubuntu1 to ubuntu3.12:06
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fdovingthanks again :)12:07
imbrandonahh rockon you already had it targeted correct12:08
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imbrandonRiddell: ping12:12
Riddellhi imbrandon 12:13
fdoving!find rgb.txt12:14
imbrandonthe email you replied to mez about on the -devel list ( c.f. libmtp and libnjb ) has already been done , libnjb a few months ago and libmtp a week or so ago by me12:14
ubotuFile rgb.txt found in dspam-webfrontend, emacs-snapshot-common, emacs21-common, latex2html, mrtg-contrib (and 8 others)12:14
fdoving!find /etc/X11/rgb.txt12:14
ubotuPackage/file /etc/x11/rgb.txt does not exist in edgy12:14
imbrandonjust FYI12:14
imbrandoninfact the edgy amarok uses libnjb and the feisty one uses libnjb and libmtp :)12:15
imbrandonfdoving: ok uploaded, can you make sure it actualy hits -proposed 12:16
fdovingimbrandon: thanks.12:16
fdovinghow do i make sure it does? 12:16
imbrandonno thank you, all i did was upload :)12:16
Riddellimbrandon: yeah, I'm going through my old unread e-mails and came across your reply shortly after I sent that12:16
imbrandonRiddell: okies, just wanted to let ya know12:16
imbrandonfdoving: by checking ummmm, not sure to be honest12:17
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imbrandonprobably have to have it in your sources.list and test the package12:17
imbrandonfdoving: might be a good question for u-devel when some archive admins are arround12:17
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fdovingimbrandon: is the kopete in feisty fixed? will there be a new upstream? if not, the fix could probably be uploaded there too.12:19
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=== fdoving neither.
Hobbseemind you, imbrandon can take it over, as he has the powers to upload.12:20
fdovingit's ubuntu1 in feisty too.12:21
fdovingimbrandon: ping for same debdiff upload to feisty :)12:21
imbrandonfdoving: then i'll upload that same thing to feisty12:21
fdovingthanks :)12:22
imbrandonalthough there might be a conflict now that two packages are in the pool with the same name, hrm, -proposed/-updates should probably have gotten a ubuntu1.X number12:24
imbrandonit might not hit -proposed anyhow because i'm not seeing ubuntu2 there12:24
imbrandonanyhow i'll keep an eye out 12:24
imbrandonfdoving: ^12:24
fdovingi asked mdz about the versioning some time ago.. he said 1.x is for security only iirc.12:25
ttoinesomebody knows where i can find tonio, it is very important 12:31
Riddellttoine: he's in here whenever he's online12:31
fdovinge-mail maybe? 12:31
ttoineRiddell: so he is not online at the moment12:32
ttoinei emailed him, yes12:32
Riddellno, he's not12:33
Riddellhttp://www.mandriva.com/en/community/mandrivaone  Mandriva comparison chart seems to list Windows and Kubuntu as their main comparisons12:34
imbrandonRiddell: hehe nice12:35
Tm_TThat's weird.12:35
Tm_TSimple Text Processor  Blocnote  Kwrite, Kedit  Kate12:36
Tm_TErr, Kubuntu doesn't have Kedit as default, and uses Kate about everywhere, right?12:36
HobbseeTm_T: correct12:36
=== Hobbsee is wondering how they fit all that onto one cd - they've got things like firefox, and other gtk stuff
Riddellwe also don't come with the gimp by default12:37
Hobbseeand gnucash12:37
Tm_TErr, what's that Blocnote? Never used anything like that in Windows.12:38
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webben_Sorry to ask this yet again, but given that kdelibs5 conflicts with the kdecopy libraries, how is one supposed to run qmake-qt4 with the second KDE development snapshot?12:41
Tm_TRiddell: I presume they threw out all they don't need to run openoffice & firefox to get stuff into one cd.12:41
imbrandonwell without winfloss on there we could add firefox, notice they limit the lang packs , and only have 1cd for i386 12:42
imbrandonthats really the only diff12:42
imbrandonthe rest is the same on down the line12:42
Tm_THm, true.12:42
fdovingwebben_: good question. it's a issue.12:42
ttoinesee you...12:43
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webben_fdoving, is there any workaround? I'm trying to build webkit ... and that means I need KDE4 development packages and qmake.12:44
imbrandonRiddell: are "we" gonna do the /opt thing for the send snapshot ?12:44
webben_fdoving, would the best thing be to try and downgrade back to Krash 112:44
imbrandonwe == you atm i guess12:44
webben_fdoving, would pulling down kde from subversion work?12:44
webben_(not that I actually fancy compiling KDE :( )12:45
imbrandonwebben_: poke Riddell , he can probably have a fix soonish12:45
fdovingRiddell: libqt4-dev-kdecopy have: dbusxml2cpp dbus dbuscpp2xml libqt4-dev have qdbusxml2cpp qdbus and qdbuscpp2xml - what is the correct naming? 12:45
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imbrandon( or workaround ) brb afk12:45
fdovingwebben_: well.. i'm not sure. others with the same problem have ended up using their own compiled QT for development. keeping the libqt4-nonkdecopy installed.12:46
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imbrandonfdoving: yea but we're trying not to have that happen in feisty12:47
imbrandonback in ~30 minutes12:47
webben_fdoving, I don't suppose there's a howto for doing that? I don't want to mess up my existing KDE install, which is one of the reasons why the Kubuntu packages were attractive in the first place.12:47
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fdovingwebben_: not that i'm aware of. I know sredna tried to use kubuntu-packages for development some weeks ago. I think he ended up with a own-compiled-qt.12:49
Riddellwebben_: -kdecopy is obsolete, don't use it12:49
fdovingwebben_: the qt4-kdecopy packages have more than one issue.. 12:50
Riddellfdoving: don't use them12:50
webben_ah okay12:51
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webben_Could I download the latest QT libs snapshot from Trolltech and use that the Kubuntu kdelibs5 packages?12:52
webben_*use that with12:52
Riddellwebben_: just use the normal qt4 packages, that's what kdelibs5 depends on12:53
webben_Riddell, then where's qmake-qt4?12:54
Tm_THumm, I think I try to build KDE4 from svn.12:54
webben_qmake is  1.07a (Qt 3.3.6)12:55
webben_as is qmake-qt312:55
webben_and that's all I got12:55
Riddellwebben_: it's in libqt4-dev12:55
webben_ah okay12:56
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webben_Riddell, btw I suspect people will work this out but on12:57
webben_shouldn't "export KDEHOME=/home//.kde4" read "export KDEHOME=~/.kde412:57
Tonio_Riddell: I'm changing kds to install flash9 instead of flash 712:58
webben_since /home//.kde4 doesn't exist?12:58
Tonio_Riddell: did you notice kdesu is broken since your last upload of kdelibs ?12:58
RiddellTonio_: I uploaded a fix a couple of hours ago12:58
imbrandonTonio_: he fixed it, and why is k-d-s having something from multiverse ?12:59
Tonio_Riddell: ah great ;)12:59
Tonio_imbrandon: to make it like firefox : auto install flash when required12:59
Tonio_imbrandon: it doesn't include code from multiverse, but downloads it 12:59
Riddellwebben_: fixed, thanks12:59
webben_Riddell, yw12:59
imbrandonTonio_: hrm, you should possibly make it ask then for gnash too, because no amd64 or ppc support12:59
Tonio_imbrandon: can be compared to the mp3 script for amarok01:00
webben_Tonio_, which Flash is it going to install? 7 or 9 beta?01:00
imbrandonwebben_: 9 final01:00
Tonio_imbrandon: the installation is only performed with i38601:00
webben_ah okay01:00
Tonio_imbrandon: we'll probably remove this when gnash becomes mature enough to be used by everyone01:00
imbrandonTonio_: ahh ok, can you make the option for gnash ..... no matter of fact i will for amd64 and ppc01:00
Tonio_imbrandon: hum the problem is that it doesn't install a package.......01:01
imbrandonwhat dosent install a package?01:01
Tonio_imbrandon: it gets the binary from the tar.Gz file provided by adobe01:01
imbrandonwhoa, no no no01:01
Tonio_with the licence too01:01
imbrandonDONT do that01:01
webben_Tonio_, Won't Adobe Flash Player always be at least slightly ahead of Gnash?01:01
imbrandonwow , NO01:01
imbrandonTonio_: stop 01:01
Tonio_imbrandon: bah it is already in edgy ;)01:01
imbrandonthat will roaly fuck some people01:01
imbrandonwho did that ?01:01
Tonio_imbrandon: it doesn't with firefox01:02
imbrandonwhat the fuck01:02
Tonio_imbrandon: it is EXACTLY what firefox does01:02
imbrandonand thats exactly why its patched out of ff in ubuntu01:02
Tonio_is it ?01:02
imbrandonit is01:02
Tonio_it wasn't last time I used it01:02
imbrandonif you use the firefox from our repos it will NOT auto download flash01:03
imbrandonjust for that very reason01:03
Tonio_this is the patch I added01:03
fdovingeveryone hates flash anyway.01:03
imbrandonwe need to fix that with a sru quickly01:03
Tonio_imbrandon: we can think of a different way to proceed with feisty, I don't mind01:03
Tonio_imbrandon: just that this is in edgy, whatever we do it is too late now :)01:04
Tonio_and afaik nobody complains at the moment01:04
imbrandonnot only a diffrent way to proceeded with feisty but we need to SRU it for edgy also, why do you think automatix breaks upgrades, some of the same type thing01:04
imbrandonno it isnt too late, with a messup this bad we need to sru it01:04
Tonio_sru ?01:05
imbrandonman i wish i had the time today to fix this, ok i'll fix it tonight01:05
imbrandonstable release update01:05
imbrandone.g -updates01:05
Tonio_ah ok :)01:05
webben_fdoving: Flash /can/ be used for useful content. And since it /will/ be used for such content, people should be enabled to access it.01:05
Tonio_well what would you suggest then ?01:05
webben_Won't FP9 go into the Canonical commercial repository?01:05
Tonio_removce this and let people install a package manually ?01:05
imbrandonTonio_: using the package from multiverse01:05
webben_Couldn't it just be downloaded from there?01:06
Tonio_don't forget it breaks adept at the moment !01:06
imbrandonfix the patch to grab the package01:06
imbrandonthen dont fskin use adept to get it01:06
Tonio_hum, no this isn't possible at the moment since we need to add multiverse etc........01:06
Tonio_the patch doesn't do that afaik01:06
imbrandonwe do it with amarok we can do it there too01:06
fdovingwell.. enjoy guys. I have to go. Bye.01:06
imbrandonits not that hard to cvhange it from grabbing a binary from the web to running a bash script01:06
imbrandonjust like amarok01:07
Tonio_imbrandon: hum........ we should lookat that eventually01:07
imbrandonTonio_: wow , not eventualy, this is a major problem, i'll do it tonight01:07
webben_imbrandon, Why can't it grab a deb from the web?01:07
fdovinghaving scripts installing random binaries from the web is.. evil :)01:07
Tonio_imbrandon: you don't know the way it works at the moment01:07
imbrandonfdoving: yes and breaks upgrades and packages01:07
Tonio_imbrandon: the current thing is in kdebase + kds01:07
Tonio_I'll do the change, don't mind01:08
webben_imbrandon, what does the shell script do that a deb doesn't?01:08
fdovingTonio_: where does this thing fetch flash from? - is the source safe? is the package signed?01:08
Tonio_fdoving: it does use the tar.gz file from adobe website01:08
Tonio_not a deb package01:08
webben_fdoving, It could fetch it from a special repository created for kubuntu if canonical doesn't put it in commercial01:08
fdovingwebben_: keep track of files it installs, check checksums of installed files, etc.01:08
imbrandonfdoving: no its grabbing it from adbobe, but even if it was it will still break that packages and upgrades later, think about when security updates are added01:08
fdovingwebben_: that's what imbrandon wants to change.01:09
webben_fdoving, Doesn't a deb do that automatically?01:09
imbrandonwebben_: yes but a deb will also keep track of it and update it when security updates come out01:09
fdovingwebben_: yes, .debs do that autoamtically. if they are signed when they are created.01:09
webben_fdoving, when you say "binaries" do you mean binaries that are unpackaged?01:09
imbrandonthat happens alot with flash01:09
webben_fdoving, i.e. non-deb binaries that are just unpacked into a directory somewhere01:10
fdovingwebben_: correct.01:10
webben_ah okay01:10
webben_yeah that is bad then01:10
webben_should definitely be a deb of some sort01:10
fdovingyes, and from a ubuntu repository.01:10
imbrandonexactly, if for nothing else the fact of security updates01:10
fdovingsigned with the correct keys.01:10
webben_(although bear in mind we're talking /one/ file and some symlinks01:10
webben_fdoving: yep i agree with all that01:11
imbrandonwebben_: it dosent matter, did you see how many secutrity updates were made to flash 701:11
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webben_imbrandon, sorry, what is "it"?01:11
imbrandonone file or 50, still dosent matter when you get rooted01:11
fdovingand now i have to go.01:11
webben_imbrandon, Oh I agree with that. Just in terms of tracking the installation itself, one file isn't so bad.01:11
webben_fdoving, bye :)01:12
imbrandonright but apt should take care of all that, anyhow yes it needs to be fixed asap, man i wish i would have known this before edgy shipped01:12
webben_imbrandon, Do we know whether Canonical are or aren't going to put FP9 final in the edgy or feisty commercial repositories?01:13
Riddellwhat is FP9?01:13
Riddelloh, flash01:13
webben_Riddell, sorry... FP9 == Flash Player 901:13
webben_Didn't they put FP7 plugin in the Dapper repo?01:13
Tonio_imbrandon: I'll do the change today01:14
imbrandonwebben_: its in mulitverse, and as far as one witht the binarys thats upto adobe not canonical, they just host it, the parent company does the package01:14
imbrandonwebben_: no01:14
imbrandonwebben_: there is flashplugin-nonfree in multiverse01:14
imbrandon( its 9 on feisty )01:14
imbrandonand 7 on earlier releases 01:14
webben_imbrandon: I betcha Canonical could get the adobe guys to add FP9 to commercial01:14
webben_I mean the developers were busy showing off FP9 on Edgy01:15
imbrandonwebben_: probably if adbobe wished to contact canonical, real and opera contacted canonical not the other way01:15
webben_imbrandon, Really? How come Canonical can't be proactive in that regard?01:16
imbrandon( and to be honest its kinda crazy as they havent updtaed the software to the latest releases nor the latest ubuntu )01:16
imbrandonwebben_: it can if it wished01:16
webben_imbrandon, Well they haven't done Edgy yet, true. But updates to the latest software shouldn't be done just for the sake of it.01:16
imbrandonbut like i said the parent company packages those etc, not canonical01:16
webben_(Just like other Ubuntu software is only updated for major bug fixes/security risks).01:16
webben_And the multiverse package presumably grabs the tar.gz from Adobe's site and installs that?01:17
imbrandonwebben_: when its not managed by us, e.g. if opera manages the packages and they make a relewase its stupid for them not to also package that release, other wise why make it01:17
imbrandonwebben_: yes, but then the package can be updated to get a new security fix and be tracked if need be01:17
webben_imbrandon, Well. Yes. /If/ they test it. And /if/ it contains security fixes.01:18
imbrandonthats the major thing01:18
webben_(I grant you browser releases usually do contain security fixes.)01:18
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imbrandonwebben_: no it should reguardless, your missing the point of the commercial repo01:18
imbrandonits not like an offical distro repo01:18
imbrandonwebben_: exactly and it should be exactly the same on commercial as on their websitre, as THEY maintain both01:19
imbrandoncanonical only provides a central hosting for them01:19
imbrandonall to have it in one place for the users01:19
webben_imbrandon, except the ones on the website are (I think) for debian sid not ubuntu systems01:19
webben_*the Opera website01:20
webben_They can be used with ubuntu, but not quite officially.01:20
imbrandonright, so opera has slacked on their commitment, and that is what i was saying01:20
webben_imbrandon, I see.01:20
imbrandonanyhow to get back to the main point, for nothing else but security updates alone ( among other things ) konq needs to grab it from our repos not their website01:21
imbrandonwas the main thing behind all this01:21
webben_imbrandon, Does that mean that if it were added to commercial it /still/ wouldn't solve your problem?01:22
imbrandon( and upgrades and transitions etc )01:22
imbrandonwebben_: correct01:22
webben_imbrandon, So you want to create packages within the Kubuntu repo analogous to the multiverse ones?01:22
imbrandonyour missing what its doing01:23
imbrandonok there is a package in multiverse that has flash01:23
imbrandoninstead of getting that flash on demand , it gets an unpackaged bin from adobe01:23
imbrandonand that unpackaged bin cant be tracked or upgraded except manualy by the user, inwich case wouldent have it instaleld on demand01:24
webben_by "demand" do you mean including the libflashplayer.so file directly inside the deb?01:24
imbrandonno no no01:24
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imbrandonforgot HOW the deb gets the program, the point is it does01:24
imbrandonand then can be tracked via packagemanagement01:24
imbrandonso i dont care if the deb does the same exact thing the script ion konq does01:25
webben_what does the script currently in konq do?01:25
imbrandonthe konq script is still wrong becouse it dosent install new version and security updates when needed01:25
Tonio_imbrandon: that's true indeed01:25
imbrandonit gets the unpackaged bin from adobe01:26
imbrandona9 as does the deb ) 01:26
imbrandonthats whewrre your getting confuised01:26
webben_imbrandon, Ah so you're problem isn't with the packaging per se, just with Konqueror not grabbing any package at all, just downloading something from adobe's site01:26
webben_i mean, it's equivalent from your perspective whether konq grabs a deb from commercial/kubuntu rep/multiverse01:27
webben_I see01:27
webben_it would be good if the KDE devs made that customizable01:27
webben_so all the distros could set up their lists for konq01:27
imbrandonits not even offical kde that does that , its a unoffical patch from kde-apps01:28
imbrandonthus my hissy fit01:28
webben_yes i can see that would be hissy-fit-inducing :)01:28
webben_But do you agree that should be a KDE-wide fix? Not just something Kubuntu has to hack on to it?01:29
webben_I mean presumably any distribution using KDE could use something like that?01:29
imbrandonoh definately , but the imediate problem is this is already in a stable release that needs fixed asap, THEN we can poke upstream if they want it01:29
webben_So you want to patch Edgy?01:30
webben_I see.01:30
imbrandonother wise when feisty ( or a new flash player security update ) comes out , there will be headaches01:30
webben_imbrandon, Would it not be easier to advise Edgy users to install from multiverse, and patch Fiesty?01:30
webben_(Seeing as the Ubuntu Restricted Formats wiki page has always done it that way AFAIK.)01:31
imbrandonwebben_: not really, try reaching all 8+ million users , when i can just push a patch to edgy-updates and everyone gets it01:31
webben_imbrandon, What happens if they've already installed the plugin using that script?01:31
webben_will the file just get overwritten?01:31
imbrandonthe pactch must take that into account ( e.g thats what replaces in a package are for )01:32
webben_imbrandon, What the replacement be conditional?01:32
webben_I mean presumably you're patching Konq.01:32
webben_So some users will have already installed Flash and some won't.01:32
webben_So you'll presumably only want to install the Flash package if they've already installed Flash with the script?01:33
imbrandonright, so the konq patch will need to call a shaell script as does out amarok now for mp3 support instead of getting it from adobe, the shell script will then determine if flash is already installed01:33
imbrandonand choose what to do01:33
webben_I see. That makes sense to me, at least :)01:34
imbrandon( or atleaste advise them with a message that its unwise not to doso )01:34
imbrandonbtw , hello, im brandon :)01:35
imbrandon( one of the kubuntu dev type people ) 01:35
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webben_ah, nice to meet you; I'm Ben ... I'm on the Ubuntu accessibility team, not that I do very much other than add bits and pieces to the wiki.01:37
Tonio_grmpf...... broken again....01:37
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imbrandonhahah papa stinky Tonio_ 01:38
Tonio_that's a libqt issue....01:38
imbrandonwhats broke ?01:38
Tonio_imbrandon: ^e01:38
Tonio_can't write this anymore correctly01:38
Tonio_^a ^u01:38
imbrandonahh the french letter ?01:39
Tonio_I had to fix this for edgy, and the same problem is there again ;)01:39
Tonio_I was looking at kio-apt + kpkgmanager....01:40
Tonio_seems a very nice way to install/remove packages01:40
imbrandonheh yea i looked at kpackage too01:40
imbrandonits kinda clunky for joe01:40
imbrandoni've actualy been looking at smart more01:41
webben_Does KDE have an equivalent to Gnome's System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layout options?01:41
Tonio_imbrandon: bah if you had en entry in kmenu to go to apt:/01:41
webben_Because that allows you to set up a compose key and stuff01:41
Tonio_it is easy to use01:41
Tonio_webben_: it does of course but it is broken01:41
webben_Tonio_, Is it actually part of the desktop environments, or are those control panels just a front-end to some X configuration file somewhere?01:42
Tonio_webben_: qt-x11-free is the package causing problems01:42
Tonio_webben_: the issue is in the qt packages, not X01:42
Tonio_I don't have the issue in a tty01:42
imbrandonhrm if you could install and remove and upgrade ( not just search with kio_apt ) it would rock01:44
imbrandonit could easly replace adept01:44
Tonio_imbrandon: you can :)01:45
Tonio_it even supports dist-upgrade, which adept doesn't01:45
imbrandonhow ?01:45
Tonio_kio-apt uses kpkgmanager01:45
Tonio_and this supports dist-upgrade01:45
imbrandoni dont see any install / remove  / upgrade stuff01:46
Tonio_the only thing is the support of debconf eventually, I don't know if it works$01:46
Tonio_imbrandon: you need to install kpkgmanager01:46
Tonio_rebuild it from source against edgy and it works01:46
Tonio_take the source from the debian repo on the official website01:46
imbrandonthen kio_apt will automaticly know its installed ?01:46
Tonio_when kpkgmanager is installed it brings you the install, remove etc...... buttons01:46
Tonio_imbrandon: yup01:47
imbrandonnice i'll have to try that when i get home01:47
Tonio_imbrandon: yes ;)01:47
imbrandoni have to get into the shower and leave for a meeting in a few minutes01:47
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Tonio_I'm testing but that WAY faster adept is and really, a web interface is so nice in my opinion....01:47
imbrandonTonio_: so are you gonna fix the konq thing? or do you want me to ?01:47
imbrandonTonio_: imho anything is better than adept , shhhhh01:48
Tonio_imbrandon: lol01:48
Tonio_imbrandon: http://toio.homelinux.org/tmp/capture8.png01:48
Tonio_imbrandon: remove button is there01:49
imbrandonas for as an update notifyier i'm sure we coudl whip one up in gambas or python to call kio_apt when needed01:49
Tonio_imbrandon: yes, we could do that easilly01:49
imbrandonahh nice01:49
Tonio_imbrandon: honnestly, a kio as the default package manager would be so cool in my opinion01:49
imbrandonok yea i'll look at this when i get home01:49
Tonio_and easy to integrate (css kubuntu theme)01:50
imbrandonTonio_: yea , this would have been nice to review at UDS01:50
imbrandonTonio_: exactly01:50
Tonio_imbrandon: I'll put the package in my repo01:50
imbrandonits not in ours now ?01:50
Tonio_imbrandon: I will do so that we all can test this01:50
imbrandonjust make sure its packaged good and upload to feisty as NEW ( once we all test it )01:50
imbrandonbut yea sounds like a great idea01:51
Tonio_and the point is that is really maintained01:51
imbrandonlets get all the kinks worked out and we'll petition Riddell , hehehe01:51
Tonio_compared to adept...01:51
Tonio_I'm sure upstream could do some specific stuff for an eventual kubuntu integration01:52
Tonio_the code is very little01:52
imbrandonseems VERY fast too01:52
imbrandonwow Tonio_ great find01:52
Tonio_imbrandon: yes search is fast01:53
imbrandonanyhow bbiab i MUST run now , i'll be back in about ~5 hours01:53
Tonio_imbrandon: and it works with kdesu :)01:53
Tonio_soooooooooooo cool01:53
imbrandonhahah yea , rock on01:53
imbrandonif your not on when i get back leave me a PM with the package url01:53
Tonio_wow !01:54
Tonio_imbrandon: kpkgmanager integrates to ksystray :)01:55
Tonio_kicker sorry01:55
Tonio_can REALLY be used as a replacement to adept01:55
Jucatoooh new package manager?01:56
Tonio_Jucato: yup :)01:56
Tonio_upstream is french so I'll contact him for improvement ideas01:56
Jucatonice :)01:56
Tonio_Jucato: but it can already be compared with adept01:56
Tonio_very smooth01:56
imbrandonTonio_: is it in debian ?01:56
Jucatomornfall seemed to have made some commits for Adept last week01:57
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Tonio_imbrandon: I don't know01:57
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imbrandonwow very active upstream too01:58
imbrandonActivity Percentile (last week) : 97.9401:58
JucatoThere's a Debian package available in KDE-Apps for KPkgManager: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=1145902:00
imbrandonyea Tonio_ i wanna see this , upload your packages02:00
Tonio_imbrandon: I'm porting correctly and upload to my repo02:00
Tonio_imbrandon: it still misses a direct access to apt:/ from the systray for example, but that can be added easilly02:02
Tonio_should be hard to patch for a perfect ubuntu integration02:02
Tonio_the only missing thing is a source.list manager02:02
Tonio_but that will be done for feisty02:02
Tonio_so that's not an issue, we will just have to had a link :)02:03
imbrandonand it looks like its the same upstream as kioapt02:03
Tonio_that's really promissing02:03
Tonio_imbrandon: yes it is02:03
imbrandonand we already have kioapt02:03
Tonio_I'll contact him after the tests with a few improvement ideas02:04
imbrandon( installed by default i think ) 02:04
Tonio_imbrandon: yes we have it by default02:04
imbrandonwow very cool, i'll be soo happy when we can get rid of adept02:04
Tonio_imbrandon: anyway, we will need to provide a good interface for kio-apt, but that's easy (css)02:04
imbrandonyea i'll work on some css today, thats how i make my money day to day , so i should be able to do that02:05
Tonio_well the combinason of kio-apt, kpkgmanager and the new sources.list manager looks like the perfect replacement02:05
imbrandoni was working on a sources.list manager too, is there one in kio_apt ?02:05
Jucatohow about update manager/notifier?02:05
imbrandonJucato: its there02:05
Tonio_imbrandon: bo that's not done02:05
Jucatogoodbye Adept! :)02:05
imbrandonlooks like the code is very small too02:06
Tonio_imbrandon: the idea is probably to add the "manage repos" button in the systray icon, to use the new apps we will do02:06
Tonio_provide a "search" button launching konqueror02:06
Tonio_eveything is easy to do :)02:06
Tonio_that really rocks ;)02:06
imbrandonok gone02:07
Tonio_imbrandon: okay here is the plan : come back toonight so that we can test this together and get the "implementation plan"02:07
Tonio_okay ? :)02:07
Jucatohow about a confirmation dialog box before performing a certain task? (which Adept never does)02:07
imbrandonTonio_: yup, sounds perfect02:07
Riddellsources.list manager will be a port of what's in the ubuntu update-manager tool02:07
Riddelland I doubt very much that kpkgmanager can replace adept02:07
Tonio_Riddell: yes I know :)02:07
Tonio_Riddell: you should test it really02:08
imbrandonRiddell: i dunno, it looks very very muchso already02:08
Tonio_Riddell: the combinason of kpkgmanager and kio-apt is very impressive02:08
imbrandonand its VERYU VEYR fast02:08
Tonio_a very few changes needed but that can really be done in my opinion02:08
gnomefreakis there a repo for kpkg-manager? would rather not have to get it from kde-apps.org02:08
Tonio_good interface with css, search button on kpkgmanager systray icon, and that's it02:09
Tonio_gnomefreak: my repo in a few minutes02:09
gnomefreakTonio_: ty02:09
Tonio_and an autostart option for kpkgmanager02:09
Tonio_the only missing feature is "popup the user when a new upgrade is possible"02:10
Tonio_that misses, but I can ask upstream to implement this02:10
Tonio_this is the only thing missing02:10
Tonio_Riddell: and is performs "real" dist-upgrade02:11
Tonio_not like adept02:11
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Riddellin what way does adept not perform dist-upgrade?02:13
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Tonio_Riddell: bah adept does an upgrade, not a dist-upgrade afaik02:17
Tonio_that was on mornfall's plan02:17
Riddellno, it does dist-upgrade if you click "full upgrade"02:18
JucatoFull Upgrade (which is the default visible button) does dist-upgrade. Safe Upgrade does upgrade, afaik02:19
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Tonio_Riddell: hum okay I was wrong on that point then02:22
gnomefreakadept in feisty is asking for su password when i use my password for user its telling me wrong password02:22
Tonio_gnomefreak: yes that'll be fixed today, Riddell uploaded a fix02:23
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Tonio_Riddell: fyi, kpkgmanager seems to use debconf correctly too....02:46
gnomefreak:) installing it now02:49
Tonio_gnomefreak: don't forget that's just "default packaging", so you have to consider the result without any implementation ;)02:51
Tonio_and also imagin the potential implementation that can be done02:51
gnomefreakTonio_: i know :)02:51
gnomefreakty for warning 02:51
gnomefreaki guess its all admin apps 02:52
Tonio_gnomefreak: what ?02:52
gnomefreakthe permissions issue 02:53
Tonio_we have to wait for kdelibs to be on the repos02:53
gnomefreakkio-apt is being upgraded atm02:53
Tonio_gnomefreak: yes, also you have to manually install kpkgmanager and launch it02:54
Tonio_I'm preparing the list of missing things to send an email to upstream02:54
Tonio_the "notifier" option would be great02:54
gnomefreaki did i tried launching it and i get the permissions issue so im waiting for Riddell's fix02:54
Tonio_gnomefreak: launch it as normal user02:54
Tonio_gnomefreak: it works as user and prompts you for the password for installation02:55
Tonio_that doesn't work at the moment02:55
Tonio_but you can still launch it02:55
JucatoTonio_: what's your opinion on a confirmation dialog box before the package manager performs an action (install or remove)? preferably one that can be turned on/off02:55
Tonio_Jucato: that would be "too much" in my opinion02:56
Tonio_I mean, why confirming when a user as already click on the "install" button ? 02:56
gnomefreaki like it. its alot lighter than adept and easy to use :)02:57
Tonio_gnomefreak: yes02:57
Tonio_gnomefreak: the idea is a systray link to "search" that would launch kio-apt02:57
JucatoTonio_: a lot of the complaints I encountered about Adept before was that it didn't tell the user, in a prominent way, what will be installed or removed, except through the status bar or by click on Preview Changes. I'm not sure if kpkgmanger shows all these info prominently (as I have no way of testing it)02:57
Tonio_and also something like the icon blinking when new upgrades are available02:58
Tonio_because there is already a systray integration02:58
Tonio_then you just have to click and it performs the upgrade or something like that02:58
Tonio_Jucato: ah !02:58
Tonio_Jucato: I think kpkgmanager already does that02:58
Tonio_Jucato: I need to wait for kdelibs to test deeply02:59
Jucatothen that's really great news! :)02:59
Tonio_Jucato: but as the code is very little (about 500K)02:59
gnomefreakif its running in background all the time (atleast im assuming that will happen if it blinks for updates) how can we use terminal while its open?02:59
Tonio_we should be able to patch very easilly02:59
Tonio_gnomefreak: you mean ?02:59
JucatoAdept's usability really needs a lot of work, but I'm not sure if the author is willing make those changes02:59
Tonio_I don't understand the questio02:59
imbrandongnomefreak: it dosent lok dpkg, only probes it at intevals03:00
Tonio_Jucato: that's the problem in fact, mornfall doesn't have a lot of time, and adept's code is said to be VERY complex03:00
Tonio_imbrandon: exactly yes03:00
gnomefreakso it will do same thing update-manager does atm where a few times a day it runs update03:00
Tonio_imbrandon: it also can be used from command line afaics :) hehe03:00
imbrandongnomefreak: yes03:00
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Jucatowhich is what adept_notifier is supposed to do also, right?03:01
Tonio_Jucato: yes03:01
gnomefreakJucato: yes i believe03:01
Tonio_of course kpkgmanager isn't perfect, but it can be improved to our needs very easilly I think03:01
Tonio_that's the point, while touching adept is a very complicated thing03:01
Jucatohopefully, it won't end up like Adept in the long run :)03:01
Tonio_the other point is that kpkgmanager is very activelly maintained03:01
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gnomefreakjust a thought for future can we make kpkgmanager draw bigger window on start up?03:02
Tonio_Jucato: well, let's test this, list the improvements ideas and contact upstream (I'll do since he is french too)03:02
Tonio_gnomefreak: yes we of course can03:02
imbrandongnomefreak: sure, but most interaction will be done with kio_apt03:02
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Tonio_gnomefreak: kpkgmanager is there for auto-upgrade, will contain link to manage packages03:03
Tonio_everything else is in kio-apt03:03
gnomefreakok that is something i have to play with to understand what it does (kio-apt03:03
Tonio_imbrandon: debconf works hehe :)03:03
JucatoTonio_: oh, access to changelogs would also be nice :)03:03
Tonio_really cool03:03
imbrandonyea i noticed03:03
Jucatognomefreak: apt:/ in Konqueror03:03
imbrandonand even manage packages should be in kio_apt03:04
Tonio_imbrandon: yes, that's just a link to add to the css/xhtml part03:04
imbrandonrealy only the notifier isnt03:04
Jucatognomefreak: a really nifty utility to have03:04
Tonio_imbrandon: and also a link in the systray right click menu should be there03:04
imbrandonright , but not "search" , more like "manage software"03:05
imbrandonbut yea03:05
gnomefreakJucato: by the looks of things it is a front end to packages.ubuntu.com maybe not that site but a simular site maybe LP03:05
imbrandonand realy that should be on the kmenu not the icon03:05
Jucatognomefreak: it's a front end to apt-cache, dpkg, and packages.ubuntu.com, all in one convenient page/interface03:05
Tonio_imbrandon: bah that should be on the kmenu (just a desktop file opening konqueror) and also on the icon in my opinion03:05
Tonio_imbrandon: we'll do that toonight :)03:06
imbrandonyup yup03:06
Tonio_imbrandon: now >>>> GO !03:06
Tonio_tou shouldn't be there anymore :)03:06
gnomefreakoh this is cool03:06
imbrandongnomefreak: and fast :)03:06
imbrandonand works 03:06
Tonio_searching is really fast yes03:06
Tonio_so fast03:06
Jucatokpkgmanager fanboys :)03:07
Tonio_can someone kick imbrandon please ? I'll miss his interview !03:07
gnomefreakfile search uses apt-file? or alike?03:07
imbrandonits not for another hour03:07
Jucatognomefreak: dpkg, afaik. apt-file isn't installed by default03:07
Tonio_gnomefreak: yes it does03:07
gnomefreakscrew gnome03:07
imbrandonapt-cache, not apt-file03:07
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Tonio_imbrandon: the point is that if a switch is possible, we will need to document everything, since that'll be veryyyyyyyyyyyyy different from the way adept works03:08
Jucatonow, all we need is a KDE port of gdebi... (or maybe kpkgmanager will be able to handle that as well?)03:08
imbrandoni bet we could make kio_apt handle it03:09
gnomefreakthats a hard one03:09
imbrandonJucato: 03:09
Tonio_Jucato: no it isn't........ but we can ask upstream for that eventually03:09
Jucatonice :)03:09
gnomefreakkio-apt maybe but making kpkgmanager do it will cause alot of bloat :(03:09
Tonio_well let's integrate it first, then contact upstream and see if he is interested in helping us :)03:10
Tonio_the idea of having his software as default package manager of one of the most famous kde distros can help :)03:10
Jucatofinally, a fast package manager that will almost be as powerful as KPackage (which was more powerful than Adept anyway)03:11
Tonio_and the other thing is : kde403:11
Tonio_this is maintained stuff, so he'll probably port that to kde403:11
Tonio_concerning adept.............03:11
Jucatowho will have the honor of breaking the news to mornfall? :)03:13
gnomefreakhas it been decided to add it by default and pull adept? i didnt think that was really an option although it s agreat idea03:14
Jucatonot decided yet. Riddel doesn't seem convinced yet anyway03:14
Tonio_we only are testing03:15
Tonio_nothing is decided of course03:15
gnomefreaki would wait til after testing to tell mornfall ;)03:15
Tonio_it just is a potential solution03:15
Jucatoheh, now I want to install feisty just for this... :P03:15
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Tonio_let's test, implement, contact upstream to get the changes in, and then only, when everyone, including the people on a kubuntu-meeting agrees, we'll eventually pull adept03:16
Tonio_but the chances are very little :)03:16
gnomefreak2.6.19-6 kernel isnt finished yet but alo not installed by upgrade anyway03:16
Tonio_the only thing is :03:16
Tonio_it already replaces adept-manager correctly03:16
Tonio_it replaces adept-installer03:17
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Tonio_it works with debconf correctly, while adept doesn't03:17
Tonio_it doesn't replace adept-installer03:17
gnomefreakyou mean updater?03:17
Tonio_it doesn't replace adept-notifier (but could do easilly with a very little patch)03:17
Tonio_gnomefreak: no I mean installer03:17
Tonio_the kde equivalent of app-install03:18
gnomefreakTonio_: you said it did than you said it didnt so i was wondering03:18
Tonio_gnomefreak: adept-manager and adept-installer are different applications03:18
Jucatoadept_manager, adept_updater, adept_installer, adept_notifier03:18
gnomefreakTonio_ > it replaces adept-installer03:18
Jucato <Tonio_> it replaces adept-installer || <Tonio_> it doesn't replace adept-installer03:18
Tonio_gnomefreak: oups sorry :)03:18
Tonio_it replaces the "adept from command line"03:19
gnomefreakit doesnt replace it sounds right03:19
Tonio_but doesn't replace "adept_installer"03:19
Tonio_replaces adept_batch, that's the one ;)03:19
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=== gnomefreak was never fond of adept. that is one reason i was never a full kubuntu user all my pcs have 5 or so DE's on them
JucatoI tried really hard to like Adept... but failed miserably :P03:20
Tm_TI love apt-get03:21
=== gnomefreak too
Tonio_Jucato: well adept is still the best kde app to manage debian packages....03:21
=== hunger got to like aptitude as well.
Tonio_Jucato: but if a new solution is out, we have to have a look03:21
JucatoI use apt-get and aptitude (depends on the circumstance). but with autoremove, I might use aptitude less...03:21
Tonio_Jucato: doesn't mean it'll go in in any way03:21
gnomefreakother than removing kernels and installing kernels i use apt-get aptitude for everything else related to apt03:21
gnomefreakJucato: the problem im seeing is autoremove is it repeats what you are doing03:22
JucatoTonio_: it won't go, unless the author stops maintaining it... which hopefully won't happen03:22
gnomefreakapt-get remove nvidia-glx   autoremove says nvidia-glx is not needed use autoremove to remove it :(03:22
gnomefreakkind of redundant if you ask me03:23
Jucatoheh I haven't really tried autoremove yet. I let aptitude handle the metapackages for me :)03:23
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Jucatonot unless I was using Ubuntu and wanted to test Kubuntu03:24
gnomefreakthe koops or whatever the openoffice thing for kde gets installed with aptitude and all it does is lag the hell out of me03:24
gnomefreakill get the name hodl plaase03:25
Tonio_Riddell: you re-added kubuntu_84_group_toolbar_viewmode_icons.diff to kdebase package ?03:25
gnomefreakor not03:25
Tonio_Riddell: I think it was finally decided to remove it during the UDS (that's even in the multimedia simplification spec)03:26
gnomefreakiirc that is a recomends or a suggested and it took me weeks to find out why it was lagging so bad remove tha tand all was good03:26
Jucatognomefreak: ah, you used aptitude with Recommends on03:27
gnomefreakyou can use it with recommends off?03:27
Jucatosudo aptitude install -R03:27
JucatoI think the default behavior can also be changed, but I forgot what's the correct entry to put in ~/.aptitude/config03:28
gnomefreakcan always set alias to always run -R03:28
gnomefreakin bash03:29
Jucatoor set the behavior using aptitude's GUI03:29
gnomefreakwill be doing that as it makes more sense 03:29
gnomefreakaptitudes gui = adept/synaptic?03:29
Jucatono. the ncurses-based gui.03:29
Jucatorun "aptitude" or "sudo aptitude"03:30
Jucato(in the terminal)03:30
gnomefreakoh has to try this brb03:30
Jucatohave fun :)03:30
gnomefreakah yes i remember this now03:30
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Tonio_Riddell: I'll ping kamion or mdz today to provide an sru to edgy concerning digikam03:46
Jucatocan I install edgy then just upgrade to feisty? or is there some special voodoo I need to do first? :)03:47
RiddellTonio_: what's up with digikam?03:48
RiddellJucato: yes (usualy development version disclaimer applies)03:48
JucatoRiddell: thanks! :)03:48
Tonio_Riddell: files conflicting between digikam and showfoto03:49
Tonio_my fault.......03:49
Tonio_Riddell: that's fixed in feisty but needs to be fixed in edgy03:49
Tonio_Riddell: concerning the kubuntu_84_group_toolbar_viewmode_icons.diff patch, did you just missed that it was removed or did you really want it in ?03:51
RiddellI probably just missed it, but if it's the one that makes the file manager modes into 1 button I want to keep it03:54
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Tonio_Riddell: yes it is this one...04:06
gnomefreak4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-1ubuntu6  what does the a.dfsg mean? beta?04:19
Riddellthe "a" means debian uploaded an unreleased 3.5.5 tar which KDE later made a fixed version of before release04:21
Riddellthe dfsg means it has been edited to follow the debian free software guidelines04:21
gnomefreakok ty04:21
gnomefreakmight be reading this wrong but are we setting up for kde 4 on feisty?04:28
Riddellgnomefreak: not by default, but we want all the packages in04:35
nixternalgood mornin'04:48
Jucatomorning nixternal!04:48
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fdovingimbrandon: ping? 06:16
fdovinganyone available for a kopete upload to edgy-proposed?06:21
Riddellfdoving: yes06:23
fdovingpreparing.. hang on.06:23
fdovingRiddell: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/edgy-proposed/06:27
fdovingit's the exact same as the debdiff from the SRU bug, except version number change.06:27
Riddellfdoving: uploaded06:32
fdovingRiddell: thanks :)06:32
Riddellsebas: around?06:33
Riddellactually, seaLne probably better06:34
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alleefdoving: hi, fabo tagged kwlan 0.5.6-1 today on alioth. But I only he only see s/.gz/.bz2/ in the watch file.  I only tried watch files once with an sf account AFAIR and had no problem.06:42
alleefdoving: maybe it's best to report the redirect problem on pkg-kde-extras.  If there a bug, we should report a bug against whatever pkg contains the script06:44
fdovingallee: the problem is with dpatch-get-origtargz, watch files as used by uscan works nicely. but dpatch-get-orig.. doesn't handle all the fancy uscan formats.06:44
fdovingallee: pkg-kde-extras as in the mailinglist? 06:45
alleefdoving: yes06:45
fdovinghe didn't use any of my changes.06:51
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alleefabo: ^^ have you seen fdoving post on pkg-kde-talk?06:57
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fdovinghi toma.06:59
fdovingallee: i pinged him in debian-qt-kde too. :)06:59
tomahi 06:59
fdovingI'll have to subscribe to the kde-extras mailinglists.06:59
crimsunimbrandon: objdump is the most reliable, but you have to hand-walk the dependencies after that.07:01
alleefdoving: pkg-kde-{commits,extras} are a good way to see what's going on.  pkg-kde-talk is seldomly used (#debian-qt-kde) is the main channel (like with kubuntu-devel ;)07:01
fdovingallee: i'm subscribed to pkg-kde-commits and just recently subscribed to -talk. need to subscribe to -extras too :)07:02
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Tm_THmm, I noticed something weird...07:52
Mezme? 07:53
HawkwindTm_T: We already know nixternal is weird :P07:53
HawkwindHah Mez07:53
Tm_TFor example, if you change tab colour in konsole, in colour dialog there's "forty colours" palette.07:54
Tm_TBut IIRC that should be "Fourty"07:54
Tm_TI'm using en_GB, anyone can confirm this?07:54
HawkwindIn en_US it would be Forty07:54
HawkwindI'm not sure about _GB though07:55
HawkwindI'd surely assume it should be Fourty07:55
Mezin _GB it is forty07:55
HawkwindAh, I know GB adds 'u' in some places where we don't have it. It's confusing to remember which is which07:56
Tm_THmm, I can't remember seen "forty" before.07:56
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Tm_TAnd what I've learned, "forty" should be false.07:56
Tm_TBut then again, it might be this fever I got.07:57
Tm_TMez: HAve been studying english ~10 years or so.07:57
MezTm_T, forty is correct07:58
Tm_TBut that doesn't sound right.07:58
MezIt IS07:59
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Tm_TMez: I didn't said it's not right, but it doesn't _sound_ right.07:59
Tm_TSound & feel.08:00
Tm_TAnyway, doesn't matter really. =)08:00
Tm_TSleep, maybe I get it tomorrow. ->08:00
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fdovingRiddell: are you doing kdebase uploads? could you replace the patch attached in bug 6761008:38
UbugtuMalone bug 67610 in kdebase "Typing error in a script for Khelpcenter" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6761008:38
Riddellfdoving: added to my todo08:38
fdovingRiddell: thanks.08:39
fdovingthere is also bug 5905908:39
UbugtuMalone bug 59059 in kdeedu "Spelling error in KVocTrain (Vocabulary Trainer) app." [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5905908:39
fdovingpatch attached.08:40
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=== fdoving ticks them as done in todo. :)
fdovingbasket is nice.08:41
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RoeyI heard Python+KDE is to be found here08:45
_Simewhat do you need to know?08:45
Roey_Sime:  I just lvoe python ;)08:46
Roeyand KDE08:46
Roeyand I like to code python+kde in my own little utilities.08:46
Roeyhaggai:  yo08:46
Roeywith the C++ bindings, I get this feeling that I need a whole different user account from which to develop within.08:48
RoeyI don't get that feeling with the Python bindings,08:48
Roeysimply because there's no Make process involved08:48
Roeyso I can run the app right from where I develop it..08:48
_Simeyeah. I've become allergic to build systems. (after auto*)08:49
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Roey_Sime:  so how does the standard PyKDE process go, then?08:54
Roeythere's no build system there?08:54
Roey(I'm talking about the standard practices among the kubuntu-devel community)08:54
_SimeThere is a kind of install system though. http://www.simonzone.com/software/pykdeextensions/en/index.html08:55
Roeyoh, ok08:56
Roeythanks _Sime 08:56
_Simeand there will most likely be a "standard" way in KDE 4.08:56
Roeythere was also this one app08:56
RoeyAn LDAP browser in python+kde08:56
RoeyLuma, that's it.08:56
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Tonio_imbrandon: ping ?10:39
Tonio_Riddell: isn't that already done in k-d-s ?10:39
Tonio_Riddell: I thought I had already removed that sound10:40
RiddellI just got it ripping a CD in k3b10:40
Tonio_Riddell: yes it is already done10:40
Tonio_Riddell: do you have a k3b.eventsrc file in ~ ?10:41
Tonio_all sounds are disabled in kds10:41
RiddellI also don't have one in /usr/share/k-d-s10:42
Tonio_hu ?10:42
Tonio_maybe I missed the installation of that file......... let me check10:42
Tonio_Riddell: nope I have it.......10:42
Tonio_Riddell: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/k3b.eventsrc10:43
Riddellmy k-d-s knows nothing of it10:43
Riddellin edgy10:43
Tonio_Riddell: ah yes, but that's done in feisty :)10:43
Riddellah hah10:44
Tonio_that's part of the "media simplification"10:44
Tonio_I gave k3b love a bit ;)10:44
Tonio_I also removed the "auto eject"10:44
Tonio_that's very annoying when you for example blank a cd before burning10:44
Tonio_Riddell: did you have a look at kio-apt/kpkgmanager ?10:45
Tonio_I'm really impressed by the possibilities of that combinason, really !10:46
Riddellnot yet10:46
Tonio_I know you're not "hot" with the idea of replacing adept, but I think we can get everything done, in a very easy way, with it10:46
Tonio_of course apt:/ needs html improvement and kpkgmanager needs patching to tell users that updates are available10:47
Tonio_but we'll try to get something better with imbrandon and then we may eventually rediscuss this :)10:47
fdovingkio-apt/kpkgmanager is not actively developed.10:55
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Tonio_fdoving: isn't it ?11:23
fdovingHasn't changed much since the first time I packages kio-apt, for.. breezy or hoary.. don't remember exactly.11:24
fdovingbreezy probably.11:24
Tonio_fdoving: argh, 2005 !11:25
Tonio_fdoving: I missed the year, only looked at the month for the last news date hehe :)11:25
Tonio_I though it was a month ago11:25
Tonio_fdoving: you're right it seems abandoned........11:25
fdovingadept is the best out there.. afaik.11:27
fdovingfor kde that is.11:27
Tonio_fdoving: in fact upstream maintains the debian package but not the tarball....11:27
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Tonio_fdoving: this is why I saw entries in the debian/changelog11:28
Tonio_Riddell: yes, I know :) but I also added "see changelog for details"11:28
Tonio_Riddell: there was too much changes to tell everything with the commit message11:28
Riddellmay I suggest copy and paste :)11:29
Tonio_Riddell: debian/changelog is complete, but the bzr commit message isn't11:29
Tonio_Riddell: bah aren't bzr commit messages supposed to be small ?11:29
Tonio_Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/3611:32
Tonio_looks a bit hudge no ? :)11:32
Riddellthere's no reason for commit messages to be small11:33
fdovingTonio_: does the workaround for session management work? 11:34
Tonio_fdoving: yes it does11:35
Tonio_Riddell: okay, I'll copy/paste in the future then ;)11:35
Tonio_fdoving: btw, preloading one konq session gives better performances globally11:35
fdovingI had 3.. 11:36
fdovingbut.. i think you have the wrong bugnumber.. 11:36
fdovingdoesn't look correct.11:36
Tonio_fdoving: http://kpkgmanager.cvs.sourceforge.net/kpkgmanager/kpkgmanager/kio-apt/src/11:38
Tonio_fdoving: you're definitly right :)11:38
fdovingTonio_: rpm.cpp 34 hours.11:38
fdovingdpkg.cpp 34 hours.11:39
fdovingaccepting patches from debian.11:39
Tonio_fdoving: yes but this is the only modification in month and month11:39
Tonio_fdoving: no, this is the correct bug number :)11:39
fdovingthen i'm thinking of another issue..11:40
Tonio_fdoving: this also workarrounds the error since a preloaded konqueror avoids the crash11:40
fdovingok. maybe add a comment to the bug with that information? 11:40
Tonio_fdoving: bah if mornfall uploaded changes recently to adept, maybe we should just simply forget kio-apt....11:40
fdovingkio-apt is nice to have... apt:/ is handy.. but for package management.. i think adept with some UI changes, and upgrades has potential.11:41
Tonio_fdoving: well no need to comment because I'm explaining in the bug that konqueror should be killed to avoid any preloaded session11:41
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Tonio_Riddell: are you aware that kubuntu-desktop is not installable on feisty ?11:53
RiddellTonio_: yes11:55
Tonio_Riddell: okay ;)11:56
fdovingkopete failed to build on powerpc and i386, in feisty.11:56
fdovinghow often will the buildds retry building? 12:01
fdoving.. will they at all, if not poked? 12:02
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