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| LeeJunFan | What handles the acpi button events for volume? Feisty lost mine, I don't know what package to file a bug under. | 01:13 |
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| webben | i asked this hours ago, sorry if anyone's heard it before, but Why can kdelibs5 not be installed alongside libqt4-dev-kdecopy? | 01:23 |
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| webben | How is one supposed to run qtmake-qt4 with the second development snapshot of kde? | 01:23 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: ping? | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/72409 needs to be fixed. it's a regression from edgy | 03:06 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 72409 in kubuntu-meta "kdesu doesnt accept password! but sudo does." [High,Confirmed] | 03:06 |
| Jucato | hi Hobbsee | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | hey Jucato | 03:07 |
| imbrandon | moins all | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | hey imbrandon | 04:02 |
| imbrandon | heya Hobbsee | 04:03 |
| imbrandon | figure out the kdesu bug ? | 04:03 |
| Jucato | hi imbrandon | 04:03 |
| imbrandon | ello Jucato | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: nope, didnt look | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: exam study :( | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: 2 exams tomorrow :( | 04:05 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 04:05 |
| metres | I just post the bug 72486 and I dont know if its related : when I executed kdesu konqueror, i am unbale to open file with kate... | 04:08 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 72486 in kubuntu-meta "KDEInit ne peut pas lancer kate . (= KDEInit couldnt launch kate .)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/72486 | 04:08 |
| metres | same idea same time... | 04:08 |
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| imbrandon | hrm | 05:37 |
| imbrandon | anyone else notice there are no desktop icons in feisty | 05:37 |
| imbrandon | ( even for files that are on the desktop ) | 05:37 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: feisty can be used now? | 05:38 |
| imbrandon | hrm never mind, i figured it out | 05:39 |
| imbrandon | freeflying: i've been using it over a week now, there are lots of quarks though | 05:39 |
| imbrandon | be warned , its not for everyday use | 05:39 |
| freeflying | :) | 05:40 |
| Hawkwind | imbrandon: Are there any daily Feisty ISO's generated yet ? | 05:41 |
| imbrandon | not that i'm aware of | 05:41 |
| imbrandon | its far too early for that anyhow | 05:42 |
| Hawkwind | I just didn't want to install Edgy in vmware and then upgrade. But guess I have no choice | 05:42 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: kdesu is broken | 06:02 |
| Hobbsee | at least you know about that one :P | 06:02 |
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| Mez | Mwuahaha | 06:46 |
| Hobbsee | hrm? | 06:48 |
| Mez | you may if your lucky in the near future get to hear my dulcet tones on an internet radio station again | 06:58 |
| Hobbsee | oh dera... | 06:58 |
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| Mez | hey - I've worked in real radio | 07:04 |
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| crimsun | hmm, uber lng | 07:24 |
| Mez | crimsun, I couldnt be bothered with vowels for that word | 07:28 |
| crimsun | :-) I imagined "uber lung" | 07:30 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: you forgot (tm) | 07:31 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: no i didnt. look carefely | 07:32 |
| Hobbsee | *carefully | 07:32 |
| Jucato | lol it was too small :) | 07:32 |
| Jucato | looks like just a group '''' to me :P | 07:32 |
| Mez | Hobbsee, why did you run? | 07:43 |
| Hobbsee | Mez: at the thought of hearing you on the radio? :P | 07:43 |
| Mez | yeah | 07:43 |
| Mez | :'( | 07:43 |
| Mez | why ? | 07:44 |
| Hobbsee | no reason | 07:44 |
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| === Hobbsee hugs Mez | ||
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| nixternal | erlang is rediculous..i can't believe im sitting here trying to learn it | 07:46 |
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| kwwii | moin | 08:22 |
| Jucato | hi kwwii!! | 08:22 |
| Lure | hi kwwii | 08:23 |
| kwwii | hi Jucato, Lure :-) | 08:23 |
| Riddell | morning all | 08:30 |
| Lure | morning Riddell - already in GMT? | 08:31 |
| Jucato | 7:31 AM I think | 08:31 |
| kwwii | moin Riddell | 08:31 |
| kwwii | Riddell: did you see the makefile that raphink made for oxygen? | 08:32 |
| imbrandon | moins kwwii and Riddell | 08:33 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: back on GMT ? hehe | 08:33 |
| Riddell | kwwii: I did not | 08:33 |
| Riddell | I woke up about three hours ago, so not really on GMT yet | 08:34 |
| imbrandon | heh, getting closer though :) | 08:34 |
| kwwii | hehe, it took me several days to get back to sleeping all night | 08:34 |
| kwwii | Riddell: it is in playground/artwork/Oxygen/utils/Makefile (note that you have to put an index.theme in the theme dir, and that it erases the .svn stuff) | 08:35 |
| Riddell | longer term I don't think KDE should build-dep on inkscape | 08:39 |
| kwwii | yeah, definitely not...we really need someone to look into hacking ksvg2 or some other k alternative | 08:40 |
| kwwii | we tried to use rsvg but that had really poor results on the small icons | 08:40 |
| Riddell | probably easiest just to have the inkscape generated PNGs in SVN | 08:45 |
| sebas | Riddell: Same here, woke up at 5.00 CET :/ | 08:45 |
| kwwii | my keeps looking at me funny when I get up earlier than her...she asked me yesterday if I had gone to bed at all :p | 08:47 |
| sebas | Hehe, same here :> | 08:47 |
| sebas | Upside is that I'm already quite far sorting out the details for next weekend's meeting | 08:48 |
| kwwii | sebas: when are you arriving? | 08:49 |
| kwwii | I thought about coming on thursday | 08:49 |
| sebas | I'm arriving on Friday, Wade will be there earlier, however. | 08:49 |
| kwwii | cool...in the end it is up to my wife, really | 08:51 |
| sebas | Hehe :> | 08:51 |
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| imbrandon | heay sebas | 09:12 |
| imbrandon | kwwii: i gave you and nuno some love in the last UWN ( just a one liner :( ) | 09:13 |
| sebas | Aye, where's the link? (Hello lazyweb) | 09:18 |
| imbrandon | sebas: to the UWN ? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue21 | 09:19 |
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| sebas | imbrandon: Cool :) | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | haha infact your in there too sebas i forgot about that | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | i fogot to add the guidance stuff but i'll add that next issue | 09:21 |
| sebas | No problem | 09:21 |
| sebas | Some progress on the idle time detection, btw. | 09:21 |
| imbrandon | nice | 09:21 |
| sebas | Looks like we'll have that stuff shortly | 09:21 |
| imbrandon | nice | 09:22 |
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| imbrandon | hrm | 09:29 |
| imbrandon | time to hack my pod a bit for soemthing diffrent | 09:29 |
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| freeflying | imbrandon: how about bug fix in edgy? upload directly? or updates? | 09:35 |
| imbrandon | a bug fix for edgy has to go though the SRU process | 09:35 |
| kwwii | imbrandon: he needs all thelove he can get :-) | 09:38 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:42 |
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| Riddell | hi Bochi | 10:16 |
| Bochi | moin | 10:22 |
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| imbrandon | zomg | 10:39 |
| imbrandon | i hate gambas at times | 10:39 |
| crimsun | but do you hate gambas as often as I hate isa audio devices? | 10:45 |
| imbrandon | heh probably not | 10:47 |
| imbrandon | ( as i'm still using it ) | 10:47 |
| crimsun | please make taglib not choke on non-UTF-8 vorbis tags :( | 10:50 |
| imbrandon | does it ? | 10:50 |
| imbrandon | that cant be good, /me looks | 10:50 |
| crimsun | I'll reproduce it later and write up a bug report | 10:51 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: :D | 11:16 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: so you did know about it :) | 11:16 |
| Riddell | sure, you told me | 11:16 |
| Hobbsee | i meant before that | 11:16 |
| === Hobbsee was quite suprised to see that kdesu broke. | ||
| Riddell | it just needs compiled with --with-sudo-kdesu-backend | 11:18 |
| Hobbsee | ahhhh | 11:19 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: also, kubuntu-desktop is uninstallable, due to python-qt4. | 11:19 |
| Riddell | it complains about k3b when I try and install it | 11:22 |
| Riddell | no mention of python | 11:22 |
| Riddell | "python-qt4: Depends: python-sip4 (< 4.5) but 4.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed" | 11:23 |
| Hobbsee | that's the one | 11:23 |
| Riddell | ah well, pyqt4 needs upgraded to the latest version | 11:23 |
| === Hobbsee dist-upgraded, which is why she probably didnt get the k3b breakage | ||
| Hobbsee | quite likely | 11:24 |
| === Hobbsee will leave that to you :) | ||
| Riddell | thanks :) | 11:24 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 11:25 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: you could do my two exams tomorrow instead, if you wanted. | 11:25 |
| Tm_T | Kopete with full speech is fun, soon irritating. =) | 11:27 |
| Tm_T | Hmm, really should find way to get this useful for restricted ones. | 11:28 |
| Bochi | Tm_T-- | 11:29 |
| Tm_T | Thank you sir. | 11:29 |
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| imbrandon | crimsun: ( or someone ) is there a way to tell the dependancys of a binary by looking at the binary only ? | 11:47 |
| sebas | ldd | 11:48 |
| imbrandon | hrm kk | 11:48 |
| === sebas grins at imbrandon | ||
| imbrandon | heh | 11:48 |
| imbrandon | ugh | 11:48 |
| Hobbsee | what, about from apt-cache show foo | grep Depends? | 11:49 |
| imbrandon | if its not a deb it dosent help :) | 11:49 |
| Hobbsee | you didnt specify what kind of binary | 11:49 |
| imbrandon | file kpkg | 11:50 |
| imbrandon | kpkg: a /usr/bin/gbx -x script text executable | 11:50 |
| imbrandon | ^^ that kind :) | 11:50 |
| Hobbsee | oh right | 11:50 |
| fdoving | imbrandon: ping for upload. se bug 69583 | 12:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 69583 in kopete "SRU: kopete can't connect to ICQ. " [Low,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/69583 | 12:02 |
| imbrandon | to -proposed ? | 12:02 |
| fdoving | yes. | 12:02 |
| imbrandon | kk | 12:02 |
| fdoving | didn't know i could change the patch without a new approval. but one can apparently do that. | 12:03 |
| fdoving | (ref. last comment by mdz) | 12:03 |
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| imbrandon | fdoving: this patch ? http://librarian.launchpad.net/4945802/kopete_fix_kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1_to_kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu3.debdiff | 12:04 |
| fdoving | hang on. | 12:04 |
| fdoving | ubuntu1 to ubuntu3 , yes. | 12:06 |
| fdoving | that's the one. | 12:06 |
| fdoving | ubuntu2 is already in -proposed, that's why we jump from ubuntu1 to ubuntu3. | 12:06 |
| imbrandon | right | 12:07 |
| === imbrandon is preping it now | ||
| fdoving | thanks again :) | 12:07 |
| imbrandon | np | 12:07 |
| imbrandon | ahh rockon you already had it targeted correct | 12:08 |
| === imbrandon hugs fdoving | ||
| fdoving | :) | 12:08 |
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| imbrandon | Riddell: ping | 12:12 |
| Riddell | hi imbrandon | 12:13 |
| fdoving | !find rgb.txt | 12:14 |
| imbrandon | the email you replied to mez about on the -devel list ( c.f. libmtp and libnjb ) has already been done , libnjb a few months ago and libmtp a week or so ago by me | 12:14 |
| ubotu | File rgb.txt found in dspam-webfrontend, emacs-snapshot-common, emacs21-common, latex2html, mrtg-contrib (and 8 others) | 12:14 |
| fdoving | !find /etc/X11/rgb.txt | 12:14 |
| ubotu | Package/file /etc/x11/rgb.txt does not exist in edgy | 12:14 |
| fdoving | ehm. | 12:14 |
| imbrandon | just FYI | 12:14 |
| imbrandon | infact the edgy amarok uses libnjb and the feisty one uses libnjb and libmtp :) | 12:15 |
| imbrandon | fdoving: ok uploaded, can you make sure it actualy hits -proposed | 12:16 |
| fdoving | imbrandon: thanks. | 12:16 |
| fdoving | how do i make sure it does? | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | no thank you, all i did was upload :) | 12:16 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: yeah, I'm going through my old unread e-mails and came across your reply shortly after I sent that | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: okies, just wanted to let ya know | 12:16 |
| Riddell | thanks | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | fdoving: by checking ummmm, not sure to be honest | 12:17 |
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| imbrandon | probably have to have it in your sources.list and test the package | 12:17 |
| imbrandon | fdoving: might be a good question for u-devel when some archive admins are arround | 12:17 |
| fdoving | ok. | 12:18 |
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| fdoving | imbrandon: is the kopete in feisty fixed? will there be a new upstream? if not, the fix could probably be uploaded there too. | 12:19 |
| === Hobbsee hasnt looked | ||
| === Hobbsee has been very lax | ||
| === fdoving neither. | ||
| Hobbsee | mind you, imbrandon can take it over, as he has the powers to upload. | 12:20 |
| fdoving | it's ubuntu1 in feisty too. | 12:21 |
| fdoving | imbrandon: ping for same debdiff upload to feisty :) | 12:21 |
| imbrandon | fdoving: then i'll upload that same thing to feisty | 12:21 |
| imbrandon | ok | 12:21 |
| fdoving | thanks :) | 12:22 |
| imbrandon | done | 12:23 |
| imbrandon | although there might be a conflict now that two packages are in the pool with the same name, hrm, -proposed/-updates should probably have gotten a ubuntu1.X number | 12:24 |
| imbrandon | it might not hit -proposed anyhow because i'm not seeing ubuntu2 there | 12:24 |
| imbrandon | anyhow i'll keep an eye out | 12:24 |
| imbrandon | fdoving: ^ | 12:24 |
| fdoving | ok. | 12:25 |
| fdoving | i asked mdz about the versioning some time ago.. he said 1.x is for security only iirc. | 12:25 |
| ttoine | hello | 12:30 |
| ttoine | somebody knows where i can find tonio, it is very important | 12:31 |
| Riddell | ttoine: he's in here whenever he's online | 12:31 |
| fdoving | e-mail maybe? | 12:31 |
| ttoine | Riddell: so he is not online at the moment | 12:32 |
| ttoine | i emailed him, yes | 12:32 |
| Riddell | no, he's not | 12:33 |
| Riddell | http://www.mandriva.com/en/community/mandrivaone Mandriva comparison chart seems to list Windows and Kubuntu as their main comparisons | 12:34 |
| Tm_T | =) | 12:34 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: hehe nice | 12:35 |
| Tm_T | That's weird. | 12:35 |
| Tm_T | Simple Text Processor Blocnote Kwrite, Kedit Kate | 12:36 |
| Tm_T | Err, Kubuntu doesn't have Kedit as default, and uses Kate about everywhere, right? | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: correct | 12:36 |
| === Hobbsee is wondering how they fit all that onto one cd - they've got things like firefox, and other gtk stuff | ||
| Riddell | we also don't come with the gimp by default | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | exactly | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | and gnucash | 12:37 |
| Tm_T | Err, what's that Blocnote? Never used anything like that in Windows. | 12:38 |
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| webben_ | Sorry to ask this yet again, but given that kdelibs5 conflicts with the kdecopy libraries, how is one supposed to run qmake-qt4 with the second KDE development snapshot? | 12:41 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: I presume they threw out all they don't need to run openoffice & firefox to get stuff into one cd. | 12:41 |
| imbrandon | well without winfloss on there we could add firefox, notice they limit the lang packs , and only have 1cd for i386 | 12:42 |
| imbrandon | thats really the only diff | 12:42 |
| imbrandon | the rest is the same on down the line | 12:42 |
| Tm_T | Hm, true. | 12:42 |
| ttoine | ok | 12:42 |
| fdoving | webben_: good question. it's a issue. | 12:42 |
| ttoine | thanks | 12:43 |
| ttoine | see you... | 12:43 |
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| webben_ | fdoving, is there any workaround? I'm trying to build webkit ... and that means I need KDE4 development packages and qmake. | 12:44 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: are "we" gonna do the /opt thing for the send snapshot ? | 12:44 |
| webben_ | fdoving, would the best thing be to try and downgrade back to Krash 1 | 12:44 |
| imbrandon | we == you atm i guess | 12:44 |
| webben_ | fdoving, would pulling down kde from subversion work? | 12:44 |
| webben_ | (not that I actually fancy compiling KDE :( ) | 12:45 |
| imbrandon | webben_: poke Riddell , he can probably have a fix soonish | 12:45 |
| fdoving | Riddell: libqt4-dev-kdecopy have: dbusxml2cpp dbus dbuscpp2xml libqt4-dev have qdbusxml2cpp qdbus and qdbuscpp2xml - what is the correct naming? | 12:45 |
| === webben_ pokes Riddell | ||
| imbrandon | ( or workaround ) brb afk | 12:45 |
| fdoving | webben_: well.. i'm not sure. others with the same problem have ended up using their own compiled QT for development. keeping the libqt4-nonkdecopy installed. | 12:46 |
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| imbrandon | fdoving: yea but we're trying not to have that happen in feisty | 12:47 |
| imbrandon | afaik | 12:47 |
| imbrandon | back in ~30 minutes | 12:47 |
| webben_ | fdoving, I don't suppose there's a howto for doing that? I don't want to mess up my existing KDE install, which is one of the reasons why the Kubuntu packages were attractive in the first place. | 12:47 |
| === webben_ is running Edgy | ||
| fdoving | webben_: not that i'm aware of. I know sredna tried to use kubuntu-packages for development some weeks ago. I think he ended up with a own-compiled-qt. | 12:49 |
| Riddell | webben_: -kdecopy is obsolete, don't use it | 12:49 |
| fdoving | webben_: the qt4-kdecopy packages have more than one issue.. | 12:50 |
| Riddell | fdoving: don't use them | 12:50 |
| fdoving | noted. | 12:51 |
| webben_ | ah okay | 12:51 |
| === webben_ shall uninstall qt4-kdecopy stuff | ||
| webben_ | Could I download the latest QT libs snapshot from Trolltech and use that the Kubuntu kdelibs5 packages? | 12:52 |
| webben_ | *use that with | 12:52 |
| Riddell | webben_: just use the normal qt4 packages, that's what kdelibs5 depends on | 12:53 |
| webben_ | Riddell, then where's qmake-qt4? | 12:54 |
| Tm_T | Humm, I think I try to build KDE4 from svn. | 12:54 |
| webben_ | qmake is 1.07a (Qt 3.3.6) | 12:55 |
| webben_ | as is qmake-qt3 | 12:55 |
| webben_ | and that's all I got | 12:55 |
| Riddell | webben_: it's in libqt4-dev | 12:55 |
| webben_ | ah okay | 12:56 |
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| webben_ | Riddell, btw I suspect people will work this out but on | 12:57 |
| webben_ | http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.2.php | 12:57 |
| webben_ | shouldn't "export KDEHOME=/home//.kde4" read "export KDEHOME=~/.kde4 | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | yop | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm changing kds to install flash9 instead of flash 7 | 12:58 |
| webben_ | since /home//.kde4 doesn't exist? | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: did you notice kdesu is broken since your last upload of kdelibs ? | 12:58 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I uploaded a fix a couple of hours ago | 12:58 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: he fixed it, and why is k-d-s having something from multiverse ? | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah great ;) | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: to make it like firefox : auto install flash when required | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: it doesn't include code from multiverse, but downloads it | 12:59 |
| Riddell | webben_: fixed, thanks | 12:59 |
| webben_ | Riddell, yw | 12:59 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: hrm, you should possibly make it ask then for gnash too, because no amd64 or ppc support | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: can be compared to the mp3 script for amarok | 01:00 |
| webben_ | Tonio_, which Flash is it going to install? 7 or 9 beta? | 01:00 |
| imbrandon | webben_: 9 final | 01:00 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: the installation is only performed with i386 | 01:00 |
| webben_ | ah okay | 01:00 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: we'll probably remove this when gnash becomes mature enough to be used by everyone | 01:00 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: ahh ok, can you make the option for gnash ..... no matter of fact i will for amd64 and ppc | 01:00 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: hum the problem is that it doesn't install a package....... | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | what dosent install a package? | 01:01 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: it gets the binary from the tar.Gz file provided by adobe | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | whoa, no no no | 01:01 |
| Tonio_ | with the licence too | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | DONT do that | 01:01 |
| webben_ | Tonio_, Won't Adobe Flash Player always be at least slightly ahead of Gnash? | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | wow , NO | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: stop | 01:01 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: bah it is already in edgy ;) | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | that will roaly fuck some people | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | shit | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | who did that ? | 01:01 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: it doesn't with firefox | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | what the fuck | 01:02 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: it is EXACTLY what firefox does | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | and thats exactly why its patched out of ff in ubuntu | 01:02 |
| Tonio_ | is it ? | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | yes | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | it is | 01:02 |
| Tonio_ | it wasn't last time I used it | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | if you use the firefox from our repos it will NOT auto download flash | 01:03 |
| imbrandon | just for that very reason | 01:03 |
| Tonio_ | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29123 | 01:03 |
| Tonio_ | this is the patch I added | 01:03 |
| imbrandon | zomg | 01:03 |
| fdoving | everyone hates flash anyway. | 01:03 |
| imbrandon | we need to fix that with a sru quickly | 01:03 |
| imbrandon | man | 01:03 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: we can think of a different way to proceed with feisty, I don't mind | 01:03 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: just that this is in edgy, whatever we do it is too late now :) | 01:04 |
| Tonio_ | and afaik nobody complains at the moment | 01:04 |
| imbrandon | not only a diffrent way to proceeded with feisty but we need to SRU it for edgy also, why do you think automatix breaks upgrades, some of the same type thing | 01:04 |
| imbrandon | no it isnt too late, with a messup this bad we need to sru it | 01:04 |
| Tonio_ | sru ? | 01:05 |
| imbrandon | man i wish i had the time today to fix this, ok i'll fix it tonight | 01:05 |
| imbrandon | stable release update | 01:05 |
| imbrandon | e.g -updates | 01:05 |
| Tonio_ | ah ok :) | 01:05 |
| webben_ | fdoving: Flash /can/ be used for useful content. And since it /will/ be used for such content, people should be enabled to access it. | 01:05 |
| Tonio_ | well what would you suggest then ? | 01:05 |
| webben_ | Won't FP9 go into the Canonical commercial repository? | 01:05 |
| Tonio_ | removce this and let people install a package manually ? | 01:05 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: using the package from multiverse | 01:05 |
| imbrandon | no | 01:06 |
| webben_ | Couldn't it just be downloaded from there? | 01:06 |
| Tonio_ | don't forget it breaks adept at the moment ! | 01:06 |
| imbrandon | fix the patch to grab the package | 01:06 |
| imbrandon | then dont fskin use adept to get it | 01:06 |
| imbrandon | :) | 01:06 |
| Tonio_ | hum, no this isn't possible at the moment since we need to add multiverse etc........ | 01:06 |
| Tonio_ | the patch doesn't do that afaik | 01:06 |
| imbrandon | we do it with amarok we can do it there too | 01:06 |
| fdoving | well.. enjoy guys. I have to go. Bye. | 01:06 |
| imbrandon | its not that hard to cvhange it from grabbing a binary from the web to running a bash script | 01:06 |
| imbrandon | just like amarok | 01:07 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: hum........ we should lookat that eventually | 01:07 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: wow , not eventualy, this is a major problem, i'll do it tonight | 01:07 |
| webben_ | imbrandon, Why can't it grab a deb from the web? | 01:07 |
| fdoving | having scripts installing random binaries from the web is.. evil :) | 01:07 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: you don't know the way it works at the moment | 01:07 |
| imbrandon | fdoving: yes and breaks upgrades and packages | 01:07 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: the current thing is in kdebase + kds | 01:07 |
| Tonio_ | I'll do the change, don't mind | 01:08 |
| webben_ | imbrandon, what does the shell script do that a deb doesn't? | 01:08 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: where does this thing fetch flash from? - is the source safe? is the package signed? | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: it does use the tar.gz file from adobe website | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | not a deb package | 01:08 |
| webben_ | fdoving, It could fetch it from a special repository created for kubuntu if canonical doesn't put it in commercial | 01:08 |
| fdoving | webben_: keep track of files it installs, check checksums of installed files, etc. | 01:08 |
| imbrandon | fdoving: no its grabbing it from adbobe, but even if it was it will still break that packages and upgrades later, think about when security updates are added | 01:08 |
| fdoving | webben_: that's what imbrandon wants to change. | 01:09 |
| webben_ | fdoving, Doesn't a deb do that automatically? | 01:09 |
| imbrandon | webben_: yes but a deb will also keep track of it and update it when security updates come out | 01:09 |
| fdoving | webben_: yes, .debs do that autoamtically. if they are signed when they are created. | 01:09 |
| webben_ | fdoving, when you say "binaries" do you mean binaries that are unpackaged? | 01:09 |
| imbrandon | that happens alot with flash | 01:09 |
| webben_ | fdoving, i.e. non-deb binaries that are just unpacked into a directory somewhere | 01:10 |
| fdoving | webben_: correct. | 01:10 |
| webben_ | ah okay | 01:10 |
| webben_ | yeah that is bad then | 01:10 |
| webben_ | should definitely be a deb of some sort | 01:10 |
| fdoving | yes, and from a ubuntu repository. | 01:10 |
| imbrandon | exactly, if for nothing else the fact of security updates | 01:10 |
| fdoving | signed with the correct keys. | 01:10 |
| webben_ | (although bear in mind we're talking /one/ file and some symlinks | 01:10 |
| webben_ | fdoving: yep i agree with all that | 01:11 |
| imbrandon | webben_: it dosent matter, did you see how many secutrity updates were made to flash 7 | 01:11 |
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| webben_ | imbrandon, sorry, what is "it"? | 01:11 |
| imbrandon | one file or 50, still dosent matter when you get rooted | 01:11 |
| fdoving | and now i have to go. | 01:11 |
| fdoving | bye. | 01:11 |
| webben_ | imbrandon, Oh I agree with that. Just in terms of tracking the installation itself, one file isn't so bad. | 01:11 |
| webben_ | fdoving, bye :) | 01:12 |
| imbrandon | right but apt should take care of all that, anyhow yes it needs to be fixed asap, man i wish i would have known this before edgy shipped | 01:12 |
| webben_ | imbrandon, Do we know whether Canonical are or aren't going to put FP9 final in the edgy or feisty commercial repositories? | 01:13 |
| Riddell | what is FP9? | 01:13 |
| Riddell | oh, flash | 01:13 |
| webben_ | Riddell, sorry... FP9 == Flash Player 9 | 01:13 |
| webben_ | Didn't they put FP7 plugin in the Dapper repo? | 01:13 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I'll do the change today | 01:14 |
| imbrandon | webben_: its in mulitverse, and as far as one witht the binarys thats upto adobe not canonical, they just host it, the parent company does the package | 01:14 |
| imbrandon | webben_: no | 01:14 |
| webben_ | ah | 01:14 |
| imbrandon | webben_: there is flashplugin-nonfree in multiverse | 01:14 |
| imbrandon | ( its 9 on feisty ) | 01:14 |
| imbrandon | and 7 on earlier releases | 01:14 |
| webben_ | imbrandon: I betcha Canonical could get the adobe guys to add FP9 to commercial | 01:14 |
| webben_ | I mean the developers were busy showing off FP9 on Edgy | 01:15 |
| imbrandon | webben_: probably if adbobe wished to contact canonical, real and opera contacted canonical not the other way | 01:15 |
| webben_ | imbrandon, Really? How come Canonical can't be proactive in that regard? | 01:16 |
| imbrandon | ( and to be honest its kinda crazy as they havent updtaed the software to the latest releases nor the latest ubuntu ) | 01:16 |
| imbrandon | webben_: it can if it wished | 01:16 |
| webben_ | imbrandon, Well they haven't done Edgy yet, true. But updates to the latest software shouldn't be done just for the sake of it. | 01:16 |
| imbrandon | but like i said the parent company packages those etc, not canonical | 01:16 |
| webben_ | (Just like other Ubuntu software is only updated for major bug fixes/security risks). | 01:16 |
| webben_ | And the multiverse package presumably grabs the tar.gz from Adobe's site and installs that? | 01:17 |
| imbrandon | webben_: when its not managed by us, e.g. if opera manages the packages and they make a relewase its stupid for them not to also package that release, other wise why make it | 01:17 |
| imbrandon | webben_: yes, but then the package can be updated to get a new security fix and be tracked if need be | 01:17 |
| webben_ | imbrandon, Well. Yes. /If/ they test it. And /if/ it contains security fixes. | 01:18 |
| imbrandon | thats the major thing | 01:18 |
| webben_ | (I grant you browser releases usually do contain security fixes.) | 01:18 |
| === webben_ uses Opera debs straight from the Opera repository. | ||
| imbrandon | webben_: no it should reguardless, your missing the point of the commercial repo | 01:18 |
| imbrandon | its not like an offical distro repo | 01:18 |
| imbrandon | webben_: exactly and it should be exactly the same on commercial as on their websitre, as THEY maintain both | 01:19 |
| imbrandon | canonical only provides a central hosting for them | 01:19 |
| imbrandon | all to have it in one place for the users | 01:19 |
| webben_ | imbrandon, except the ones on the website are (I think) for debian sid not ubuntu systems | 01:19 |
| webben_ | *the Opera website | 01:20 |
| webben_ | They can be used with ubuntu, but not quite officially. | 01:20 |
| imbrandon | right, so opera has slacked on their commitment, and that is what i was saying | 01:20 |
| webben_ | imbrandon, I see. | 01:20 |
| imbrandon | anyhow to get back to the main point, for nothing else but security updates alone ( among other things ) konq needs to grab it from our repos not their website | 01:21 |
| imbrandon | was the main thing behind all this | 01:21 |
| webben_ | imbrandon, Does that mean that if it were added to commercial it /still/ wouldn't solve your problem? | 01:22 |
| imbrandon | ( and upgrades and transitions etc ) | 01:22 |
| imbrandon | webben_: correct | 01:22 |
| webben_ | imbrandon, So you want to create packages within the Kubuntu repo analogous to the multiverse ones? | 01:22 |
| imbrandon | no | 01:22 |
| imbrandon | your missing what its doing | 01:23 |
| imbrandon | ok there is a package in multiverse that has flash | 01:23 |
| imbrandon | instead of getting that flash on demand , it gets an unpackaged bin from adobe | 01:23 |
| imbrandon | and that unpackaged bin cant be tracked or upgraded except manualy by the user, inwich case wouldent have it instaleld on demand | 01:24 |
| webben_ | by "demand" do you mean including the libflashplayer.so file directly inside the deb? | 01:24 |
| imbrandon | no no no | 01:24 |
| === webben_ is confused | ||
| imbrandon | forgot HOW the deb gets the program, the point is it does | 01:24 |
| imbrandon | and then can be tracked via packagemanagement | 01:24 |
| imbrandon | so i dont care if the deb does the same exact thing the script ion konq does | 01:25 |
| webben_ | what does the script currently in konq do? | 01:25 |
| imbrandon | the konq script is still wrong becouse it dosent install new version and security updates when needed | 01:25 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: that's true indeed | 01:25 |
| imbrandon | it gets the unpackaged bin from adobe | 01:26 |
| imbrandon | a9 as does the deb ) | 01:26 |
| imbrandon | thats whewrre your getting confuised | 01:26 |
| webben_ | imbrandon, Ah so you're problem isn't with the packaging per se, just with Konqueror not grabbing any package at all, just downloading something from adobe's site | 01:26 |
| imbrandon | exactly | 01:27 |
| webben_ | i mean, it's equivalent from your perspective whether konq grabs a deb from commercial/kubuntu rep/multiverse | 01:27 |
| webben_ | I see | 01:27 |
| imbrandon | exactly | 01:27 |
| webben_ | it would be good if the KDE devs made that customizable | 01:27 |
| webben_ | so all the distros could set up their lists for konq | 01:27 |
| imbrandon | its not even offical kde that does that , its a unoffical patch from kde-apps | 01:28 |
| webben_ | ah | 01:28 |
| imbrandon | thus my hissy fit | 01:28 |
| webben_ | yes i can see that would be hissy-fit-inducing :) | 01:28 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 01:28 |
| webben_ | But do you agree that should be a KDE-wide fix? Not just something Kubuntu has to hack on to it? | 01:29 |
| webben_ | I mean presumably any distribution using KDE could use something like that? | 01:29 |
| imbrandon | oh definately , but the imediate problem is this is already in a stable release that needs fixed asap, THEN we can poke upstream if they want it | 01:29 |
| webben_ | So you want to patch Edgy? | 01:30 |
| imbrandon | yes | 01:30 |
| webben_ | I see. | 01:30 |
| imbrandon | other wise when feisty ( or a new flash player security update ) comes out , there will be headaches | 01:30 |
| webben_ | imbrandon, Would it not be easier to advise Edgy users to install from multiverse, and patch Fiesty? | 01:30 |
| webben_ | (Seeing as the Ubuntu Restricted Formats wiki page has always done it that way AFAIK.) | 01:31 |
| imbrandon | webben_: not really, try reaching all 8+ million users , when i can just push a patch to edgy-updates and everyone gets it | 01:31 |
| webben_ | imbrandon, What happens if they've already installed the plugin using that script? | 01:31 |
| webben_ | will the file just get overwritten? | 01:31 |
| imbrandon | the pactch must take that into account ( e.g thats what replaces in a package are for ) | 01:32 |
| imbrandon | yes | 01:32 |
| webben_ | imbrandon, What the replacement be conditional? | 01:32 |
| webben_ | I mean presumably you're patching Konq. | 01:32 |
| webben_ | So some users will have already installed Flash and some won't. | 01:32 |
| webben_ | So you'll presumably only want to install the Flash package if they've already installed Flash with the script? | 01:33 |
| imbrandon | right, so the konq patch will need to call a shaell script as does out amarok now for mp3 support instead of getting it from adobe, the shell script will then determine if flash is already installed | 01:33 |
| imbrandon | and choose what to do | 01:33 |
| imbrandon | exactly | 01:33 |
| webben_ | I see. That makes sense to me, at least :) | 01:34 |
| imbrandon | ( or atleaste advise them with a message that its unwise not to doso ) | 01:34 |
| imbrandon | btw , hello, im brandon :) | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | ( one of the kubuntu dev type people ) | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 01:35 |
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| webben_ | ah, nice to meet you; I'm Ben ... I'm on the Ubuntu accessibility team, not that I do very much other than add bits and pieces to the wiki. | 01:37 |
| imbrandon | :) | 01:37 |
| Tonio_ | ^e | 01:37 |
| Tonio_ | grmpf...... broken again.... | 01:37 |
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| imbrandon | hahah papa stinky Tonio_ | 01:38 |
| imbrandon | :) | 01:38 |
| Tonio_ | that's a libqt issue.... | 01:38 |
| Tonio_ | ^^ | 01:38 |
| imbrandon | whats broke ? | 01:38 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: ^e | 01:38 |
| Tonio_ | can't write this anymore correctly | 01:38 |
| Tonio_ | ^a ^u | 01:38 |
| Tonio_ | e | 01:39 |
| imbrandon | ahh the french letter ? | 01:39 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 01:39 |
| Tonio_ | I had to fix this for edgy, and the same problem is there again ;) | 01:39 |
| Tonio_ | I was looking at kio-apt + kpkgmanager.... | 01:40 |
| Tonio_ | seems a very nice way to install/remove packages | 01:40 |
| imbrandon | heh yea i looked at kpackage too | 01:40 |
| imbrandon | its kinda clunky for joe | 01:40 |
| imbrandon | i've actualy been looking at smart more | 01:41 |
| webben_ | Does KDE have an equivalent to Gnome's System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layout options? | 01:41 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: bah if you had en entry in kmenu to go to apt:/ | 01:41 |
| webben_ | Because that allows you to set up a compose key and stuff | 01:41 |
| Tonio_ | it is easy to use | 01:41 |
| Tonio_ | webben_: it does of course but it is broken | 01:41 |
| webben_ | ah | 01:41 |
| webben_ | Tonio_, Is it actually part of the desktop environments, or are those control panels just a front-end to some X configuration file somewhere? | 01:42 |
| Tonio_ | webben_: qt-x11-free is the package causing problems | 01:42 |
| Tonio_ | webben_: the issue is in the qt packages, not X | 01:42 |
| Tonio_ | I don't have the issue in a tty | 01:42 |
| imbrandon | hrm if you could install and remove and upgrade ( not just search with kio_apt ) it would rock | 01:44 |
| imbrandon | it could easly replace adept | 01:44 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: you can :) | 01:45 |
| Tonio_ | it even supports dist-upgrade, which adept doesn't | 01:45 |
| imbrandon | how ? | 01:45 |
| Tonio_ | kio-apt uses kpkgmanager | 01:45 |
| Tonio_ | and this supports dist-upgrade | 01:45 |
| imbrandon | i dont see any install / remove / upgrade stuff | 01:46 |
| Tonio_ | the only thing is the support of debconf eventually, I don't know if it works$ | 01:46 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: you need to install kpkgmanager | 01:46 |
| Tonio_ | rebuild it from source against edgy and it works | 01:46 |
| Tonio_ | take the source from the debian repo on the official website | 01:46 |
| imbrandon | then kio_apt will automaticly know its installed ? | 01:46 |
| Tonio_ | when kpkgmanager is installed it brings you the install, remove etc...... buttons | 01:46 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yup | 01:47 |
| imbrandon | nice i'll have to try that when i get home | 01:47 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yes ;) | 01:47 |
| imbrandon | i have to get into the shower and leave for a meeting in a few minutes | 01:47 |
| === imbrandon puts it on the todo | ||
| Tonio_ | I'm testing but that WAY faster adept is and really, a web interface is so nice in my opinion.... | 01:47 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: so are you gonna fix the konq thing? or do you want me to ? | 01:47 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: imho anything is better than adept , shhhhh | 01:48 |
| imbrandon | lol | 01:48 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: lol | 01:48 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: http://toio.homelinux.org/tmp/capture8.png | 01:48 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: remove button is there | 01:49 |
| imbrandon | as for as an update notifyier i'm sure we coudl whip one up in gambas or python to call kio_apt when needed | 01:49 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yes, we could do that easilly | 01:49 |
| imbrandon | ahh nice | 01:49 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: honnestly, a kio as the default package manager would be so cool in my opinion | 01:49 |
| imbrandon | ok yea i'll look at this when i get home | 01:49 |
| Tonio_ | and easy to integrate (css kubuntu theme) | 01:50 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: yea , this would have been nice to review at UDS | 01:50 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: exactly | 01:50 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I'll put the package in my repo | 01:50 |
| imbrandon | its not in ours now ? | 01:50 |
| Tonio_ | nope | 01:50 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I will do so that we all can test this | 01:50 |
| imbrandon | just make sure its packaged good and upload to feisty as NEW ( once we all test it ) | 01:50 |
| imbrandon | but yea sounds like a great idea | 01:51 |
| Tonio_ | and the point is that is really maintained | 01:51 |
| imbrandon | lets get all the kinks worked out and we'll petition Riddell , hehehe | 01:51 |
| Tonio_ | compared to adept... | 01:51 |
| Tonio_ | I'm sure upstream could do some specific stuff for an eventual kubuntu integration | 01:52 |
| Tonio_ | the code is very little | 01:52 |
| imbrandon | seems VERY fast too | 01:52 |
| imbrandon | wow Tonio_ great find | 01:52 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yes search is fast | 01:53 |
| imbrandon | anyhow bbiab i MUST run now , i'll be back in about ~5 hours | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: and it works with kdesu :) | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | soooooooooooo cool | 01:53 |
| imbrandon | hahah yea , rock on | 01:53 |
| imbrandon | if your not on when i get back leave me a PM with the package url | 01:53 |
| imbrandon | bbiab | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | wow ! | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: kpkgmanager integrates to ksystray :) | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | kicker sorry | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | can REALLY be used as a replacement to adept | 01:55 |
| Jucato | ooh new package manager? | 01:56 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: yup :) | 01:56 |
| Tonio_ | upstream is french so I'll contact him for improvement ideas | 01:56 |
| Jucato | nice :) | 01:56 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: but it can already be compared with adept | 01:56 |
| Tonio_ | very smooth | 01:56 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: is it in debian ? | 01:56 |
| Jucato | mornfall seemed to have made some commits for Adept last week | 01:57 |
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| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I don't know | 01:57 |
| === Jucato wonders what will happen to Adept, and what ever happened to KPackage... | ||
| imbrandon | wow very active upstream too | 01:58 |
| imbrandon | Activity Percentile (last week) : 97.94 | 01:58 |
| Jucato | There's a Debian package available in KDE-Apps for KPkgManager: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11459 | 02:00 |
| imbrandon | yea Tonio_ i wanna see this , upload your packages | 02:00 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I'm porting correctly and upload to my repo | 02:00 |
| Tonio_ | http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org | 02:00 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: it still misses a direct access to apt:/ from the systray for example, but that can be added easilly | 02:02 |
| Tonio_ | should be hard to patch for a perfect ubuntu integration | 02:02 |
| Tonio_ | the only missing thing is a source.list manager | 02:02 |
| Tonio_ | but that will be done for feisty | 02:02 |
| imbrandon | yup | 02:03 |
| Tonio_ | so that's not an issue, we will just have to had a link :) | 02:03 |
| imbrandon | and it looks like its the same upstream as kioapt | 02:03 |
| Tonio_ | that's really promissing | 02:03 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yes it is | 02:03 |
| imbrandon | and we already have kioapt | 02:03 |
| Tonio_ | I'll contact him after the tests with a few improvement ideas | 02:04 |
| imbrandon | ( installed by default i think ) | 02:04 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yes we have it by default | 02:04 |
| Jucato | yep | 02:04 |
| imbrandon | wow very cool, i'll be soo happy when we can get rid of adept | 02:04 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: anyway, we will need to provide a good interface for kio-apt, but that's easy (css) | 02:04 |
| imbrandon | yea i'll work on some css today, thats how i make my money day to day , so i should be able to do that | 02:05 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 02:05 |
| Tonio_ | well the combinason of kio-apt, kpkgmanager and the new sources.list manager looks like the perfect replacement | 02:05 |
| imbrandon | i was working on a sources.list manager too, is there one in kio_apt ? | 02:05 |
| Jucato | how about update manager/notifier? | 02:05 |
| imbrandon | Jucato: its there | 02:05 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: bo that's not done | 02:05 |
| Jucato | nice | 02:05 |
| Jucato | goodbye Adept! :) | 02:05 |
| imbrandon | looks like the code is very small too | 02:06 |
| imbrandon | good | 02:06 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: the idea is probably to add the "manage repos" button in the systray icon, to use the new apps we will do | 02:06 |
| imbrandon | yea | 02:06 |
| Tonio_ | provide a "search" button launching konqueror | 02:06 |
| Tonio_ | eveything is easy to do :) | 02:06 |
| Tonio_ | that really rocks ;) | 02:06 |
| imbrandon | ok gone | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: okay here is the plan : come back toonight so that we can test this together and get the "implementation plan" | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | okay ? :) | 02:07 |
| Jucato | how about a confirmation dialog box before performing a certain task? (which Adept never does) | 02:07 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: yup, sounds perfect | 02:07 |
| Riddell | sources.list manager will be a port of what's in the ubuntu update-manager tool | 02:07 |
| Riddell | and I doubt very much that kpkgmanager can replace adept | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes I know :) | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you should test it really | 02:08 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: i dunno, it looks very very muchso already | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the combinason of kpkgmanager and kio-apt is very impressive | 02:08 |
| imbrandon | and its VERYU VEYR fast | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | a very few changes needed but that can really be done in my opinion | 02:08 |
| gnomefreak | is there a repo for kpkg-manager? would rather not have to get it from kde-apps.org | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | good interface with css, search button on kpkgmanager systray icon, and that's it | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: my repo in a few minutes | 02:09 |
| gnomefreak | Tonio_: ty | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | and an autostart option for kpkgmanager | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | the only missing feature is "popup the user when a new upgrade is possible" | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | that misses, but I can ask upstream to implement this | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | this is the only thing missing | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and is performs "real" dist-upgrade | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | not like adept | 02:11 |
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| Riddell | in what way does adept not perform dist-upgrade? | 02:13 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: bah adept does an upgrade, not a dist-upgrade afaik | 02:17 |
| Tonio_ | that was on mornfall's plan | 02:17 |
| Riddell | no, it does dist-upgrade if you click "full upgrade" | 02:18 |
| Jucato | Full Upgrade (which is the default visible button) does dist-upgrade. Safe Upgrade does upgrade, afaik | 02:19 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum okay I was wrong on that point then | 02:22 |
| gnomefreak | adept in feisty is asking for su password when i use my password for user its telling me wrong password | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: yes that'll be fixed today, Riddell uploaded a fix | 02:23 |
| gnomefreak | ok | 02:24 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: fyi, kpkgmanager seems to use debconf correctly too.... | 02:46 |
| gnomefreak | :) installing it now | 02:49 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: don't forget that's just "default packaging", so you have to consider the result without any implementation ;) | 02:51 |
| Tonio_ | and also imagin the potential implementation that can be done | 02:51 |
| gnomefreak | Tonio_: i know :) | 02:51 |
| gnomefreak | ty for warning | 02:51 |
| gnomefreak | ha | 02:52 |
| gnomefreak | i guess its all admin apps | 02:52 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: what ? | 02:52 |
| gnomefreak | the permissions issue | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | we have to wait for kdelibs to be on the repos | 02:53 |
| gnomefreak | ok | 02:53 |
| gnomefreak | kio-apt is being upgraded atm | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: yes, also you have to manually install kpkgmanager and launch it | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | I'm preparing the list of missing things to send an email to upstream | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | the "notifier" option would be great | 02:54 |
| gnomefreak | i did i tried launching it and i get the permissions issue so im waiting for Riddell's fix | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: launch it as normal user | 02:54 |
| gnomefreak | oh | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: it works as user and prompts you for the password for installation | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | that doesn't work at the moment | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | but you can still launch it | 02:55 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: what's your opinion on a confirmation dialog box before the package manager performs an action (install or remove)? preferably one that can be turned on/off | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: that would be "too much" in my opinion | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | I mean, why confirming when a user as already click on the "install" button ? | 02:56 |
| gnomefreak | i like it. its alot lighter than adept and easy to use :) | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: yes | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: the idea is a systray link to "search" that would launch kio-apt | 02:57 |
| gnomefreak | cool | 02:57 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: a lot of the complaints I encountered about Adept before was that it didn't tell the user, in a prominent way, what will be installed or removed, except through the status bar or by click on Preview Changes. I'm not sure if kpkgmanger shows all these info prominently (as I have no way of testing it) | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | and also something like the icon blinking when new upgrades are available | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | because there is already a systray integration | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | then you just have to click and it performs the upgrade or something like that | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: ah ! | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: I think kpkgmanager already does that | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: I need to wait for kdelibs to test deeply | 02:59 |
| Jucato | then that's really great news! :) | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: but as the code is very little (about 500K) | 02:59 |
| gnomefreak | if its running in background all the time (atleast im assuming that will happen if it blinks for updates) how can we use terminal while its open? | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | we should be able to patch very easilly | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: you mean ? | 02:59 |
| Jucato | Adept's usability really needs a lot of work, but I'm not sure if the author is willing make those changes | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | I don't understand the questio | 02:59 |
| imbrandon | gnomefreak: it dosent lok dpkg, only probes it at intevals | 03:00 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 03:00 |
| imbrandon | lock* | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: that's the problem in fact, mornfall doesn't have a lot of time, and adept's code is said to be VERY complex | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: exactly yes | 03:00 |
| gnomefreak | so it will do same thing update-manager does atm where a few times a day it runs update | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: it also can be used from command line afaics :) hehe | 03:00 |
| imbrandon | gnomefreak: yes | 03:00 |
| gnomefreak | ok | 03:01 |
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| Jucato | which is what adept_notifier is supposed to do also, right? | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: yes | 03:01 |
| gnomefreak | Jucato: yes i believe | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | of course kpkgmanager isn't perfect, but it can be improved to our needs very easilly I think | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | that's the point, while touching adept is a very complicated thing | 03:01 |
| Jucato | hopefully, it won't end up like Adept in the long run :) | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | the other point is that kpkgmanager is very activelly maintained | 03:01 |
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| gnomefreak | just a thought for future can we make kpkgmanager draw bigger window on start up? | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: well, let's test this, list the improvements ideas and contact upstream (I'll do since he is french too) | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: yes we of course can | 03:02 |
| imbrandon | gnomefreak: sure, but most interaction will be done with kio_apt | 03:02 |
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| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: kpkgmanager is there for auto-upgrade, will contain link to manage packages | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | everything else is in kio-apt | 03:03 |
| gnomefreak | ok that is something i have to play with to understand what it does (kio-apt | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: debconf works hehe :) | 03:03 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: oh, access to changelogs would also be nice :) | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | really cool | 03:03 |
| imbrandon | yea i noticed | 03:03 |
| Jucato | gnomefreak: apt:/ in Konqueror | 03:03 |
| gnomefreak | oh | 03:04 |
| imbrandon | and even manage packages should be in kio_apt | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yes, that's just a link to add to the css/xhtml part | 03:04 |
| imbrandon | realy only the notifier isnt | 03:04 |
| Jucato | gnomefreak: a really nifty utility to have | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: and also a link in the systray right click menu should be there | 03:04 |
| imbrandon | right , but not "search" , more like "manage software" | 03:05 |
| imbrandon | but yea | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 03:05 |
| gnomefreak | Jucato: by the looks of things it is a front end to packages.ubuntu.com maybe not that site but a simular site maybe LP | 03:05 |
| imbrandon | and realy that should be on the kmenu not the icon | 03:05 |
| Jucato | gnomefreak: it's a front end to apt-cache, dpkg, and packages.ubuntu.com, all in one convenient page/interface | 03:05 |
| gnomefreak | sweet | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: bah that should be on the kmenu (just a desktop file opening konqueror) and also on the icon in my opinion | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: we'll do that toonight :) | 03:06 |
| imbrandon | yup yup | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: now >>>> GO ! | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | tou shouldn't be there anymore :) | 03:06 |
| imbrandon | lol | 03:06 |
| gnomefreak | oh this is cool | 03:06 |
| imbrandon | gnomefreak: and fast :) | 03:06 |
| gnomefreak | yes | 03:06 |
| imbrandon | and works | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | searching is really fast yes | 03:06 |
| imbrandon | lol | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | so fast | 03:06 |
| Jucato | kpkgmanager fanboys :) | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | can someone kick imbrandon please ? I'll miss his interview ! | 03:07 |
| gnomefreak | file search uses apt-file? or alike? | 03:07 |
| imbrandon | its not for another hour | 03:07 |
| imbrandon | :) | 03:07 |
| Jucato | gnomefreak: dpkg, afaik. apt-file isn't installed by default | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: yes it does | 03:07 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 03:07 |
| gnomefreak | screw gnome | 03:07 |
| imbrandon | apt-cache, not apt-file | 03:07 |
| gnomefreak | ;) | 03:07 |
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| Tonio_ | imbrandon: the point is that if a switch is possible, we will need to document everything, since that'll be veryyyyyyyyyyyyy different from the way adept works | 03:08 |
| Jucato | now, all we need is a KDE port of gdebi... (or maybe kpkgmanager will be able to handle that as well?) | 03:08 |
| imbrandon | i bet we could make kio_apt handle it | 03:09 |
| gnomefreak | thats a hard one | 03:09 |
| imbrandon | Jucato: | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: no it isn't........ but we can ask upstream for that eventually | 03:09 |
| Jucato | nice :) | 03:09 |
| gnomefreak | kio-apt maybe but making kpkgmanager do it will cause alot of bloat :( | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | well let's integrate it first, then contact upstream and see if he is interested in helping us :) | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | the idea of having his software as default package manager of one of the most famous kde distros can help :) | 03:10 |
| Jucato | hehehe | 03:10 |
| Jucato | finally, a fast package manager that will almost be as powerful as KPackage (which was more powerful than Adept anyway) | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | and the other thing is : kde4 | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | this is maintained stuff, so he'll probably port that to kde4 | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | concerning adept............. | 03:11 |
| Jucato | who will have the honor of breaking the news to mornfall? :) | 03:13 |
| gnomefreak | has it been decided to add it by default and pull adept? i didnt think that was really an option although it s agreat idea | 03:14 |
| Jucato | not decided yet. Riddel doesn't seem convinced yet anyway | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | we only are testing | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | nothing is decided of course | 03:15 |
| gnomefreak | i would wait til after testing to tell mornfall ;) | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | it just is a potential solution | 03:15 |
| Jucato | heh, now I want to install feisty just for this... :P | 03:15 |
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| Tonio_ | let's test, implement, contact upstream to get the changes in, and then only, when everyone, including the people on a kubuntu-meeting agrees, we'll eventually pull adept | 03:16 |
| Tonio_ | but the chances are very little :) | 03:16 |
| gnomefreak | 2.6.19-6 kernel isnt finished yet but alo not installed by upgrade anyway | 03:16 |
| Tonio_ | the only thing is : | 03:16 |
| Tonio_ | it already replaces adept-manager correctly | 03:16 |
| Tonio_ | it replaces adept-installer | 03:17 |
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| Tonio_ | it works with debconf correctly, while adept doesn't | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | it doesn't replace adept-installer | 03:17 |
| gnomefreak | you mean updater? | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | it doesn't replace adept-notifier (but could do easilly with a very little patch) | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: no I mean installer | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | the kde equivalent of app-install | 03:18 |
| gnomefreak | Tonio_: you said it did than you said it didnt so i was wondering | 03:18 |
| Jucato | hehe | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: adept-manager and adept-installer are different applications | 03:18 |
| Jucato | adept_manager, adept_updater, adept_installer, adept_notifier | 03:18 |
| gnomefreak | Tonio_ > it replaces adept-installer | 03:18 |
| Jucato | <Tonio_> it replaces adept-installer || <Tonio_> it doesn't replace adept-installer | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: oups sorry :) | 03:18 |
| gnomefreak | ;) | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | it replaces the "adept from command line" | 03:19 |
| gnomefreak | it doesnt replace it sounds right | 03:19 |
| gnomefreak | ok | 03:19 |
| Tonio_ | but doesn't replace "adept_installer" | 03:19 |
| Tonio_ | replaces adept_batch, that's the one ;) | 03:19 |
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| Jucato | ah | 03:20 |
| === gnomefreak was never fond of adept. that is one reason i was never a full kubuntu user all my pcs have 5 or so DE's on them | ||
| Jucato | I tried really hard to like Adept... but failed miserably :P | 03:20 |
| Tm_T | I love apt-get | 03:21 |
| === gnomefreak too | ||
| Tonio_ | Jucato: well adept is still the best kde app to manage debian packages.... | 03:21 |
| === hunger got to like aptitude as well. | ||
| Tonio_ | Jucato: but if a new solution is out, we have to have a look | 03:21 |
| Jucato | I use apt-get and aptitude (depends on the circumstance). but with autoremove, I might use aptitude less... | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: doesn't mean it'll go in in any way | 03:21 |
| gnomefreak | other than removing kernels and installing kernels i use apt-get aptitude for everything else related to apt | 03:21 |
| gnomefreak | Jucato: the problem im seeing is autoremove is it repeats what you are doing | 03:22 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: it won't go, unless the author stops maintaining it... which hopefully won't happen | 03:22 |
| gnomefreak | apt-get remove nvidia-glx autoremove says nvidia-glx is not needed use autoremove to remove it :( | 03:22 |
| gnomefreak | kind of redundant if you ask me | 03:23 |
| Jucato | heh I haven't really tried autoremove yet. I let aptitude handle the metapackages for me :) | 03:23 |
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| Jucato | not unless I was using Ubuntu and wanted to test Kubuntu | 03:24 |
| gnomefreak | the koops or whatever the openoffice thing for kde gets installed with aptitude and all it does is lag the hell out of me | 03:24 |
| Jucato | openoffice.org-kde? | 03:24 |
| gnomefreak | no | 03:25 |
| gnomefreak | ill get the name hodl plaase | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you re-added kubuntu_84_group_toolbar_viewmode_icons.diff to kdebase package ? | 03:25 |
| gnomefreak | or not | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I think it was finally decided to remove it during the UDS (that's even in the multimedia simplification spec) | 03:26 |
| gnomefreak | oooqs-kde | 03:26 |
| gnomefreak | iirc that is a recomends or a suggested and it took me weeks to find out why it was lagging so bad remove tha tand all was good | 03:26 |
| Jucato | gnomefreak: ah, you used aptitude with Recommends on | 03:27 |
| gnomefreak | you can use it with recommends off? | 03:27 |
| Jucato | sudo aptitude install -R | 03:27 |
| gnomefreak | oh | 03:27 |
| Jucato | I think the default behavior can also be changed, but I forgot what's the correct entry to put in ~/.aptitude/config | 03:28 |
| gnomefreak | can always set alias to always run -R | 03:28 |
| Jucato | yep | 03:29 |
| gnomefreak | in bash | 03:29 |
| Jucato | or set the behavior using aptitude's GUI | 03:29 |
| gnomefreak | will be doing that as it makes more sense | 03:29 |
| gnomefreak | aptitudes gui = adept/synaptic? | 03:29 |
| Jucato | no. the ncurses-based gui. | 03:29 |
| Jucato | run "aptitude" or "sudo aptitude" | 03:30 |
| Jucato | (in the terminal) | 03:30 |
| gnomefreak | oh has to try this brb | 03:30 |
| Jucato | have fun :) | 03:30 |
| gnomefreak | ah yes i remember this now | 03:30 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll ping kamion or mdz today to provide an sru to edgy concerning digikam | 03:46 |
| Jucato | can I install edgy then just upgrade to feisty? or is there some special voodoo I need to do first? :) | 03:47 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what's up with digikam? | 03:48 |
| Riddell | Jucato: yes (usualy development version disclaimer applies) | 03:48 |
| Jucato | Riddell: thanks! :) | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: files conflicting between digikam and showfoto | 03:49 |
| Tonio_ | my fault....... | 03:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's fixed in feisty but needs to be fixed in edgy | 03:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning the kubuntu_84_group_toolbar_viewmode_icons.diff patch, did you just missed that it was removed or did you really want it in ? | 03:51 |
| Riddell | I probably just missed it, but if it's the one that makes the file manager modes into 1 button I want to keep it | 03:54 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes it is this one... | 04:06 |
| gnomefreak | 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-1ubuntu6 what does the a.dfsg mean? beta? | 04:19 |
| Riddell | the "a" means debian uploaded an unreleased 3.5.5 tar which KDE later made a fixed version of before release | 04:21 |
| Riddell | the dfsg means it has been edited to follow the debian free software guidelines | 04:21 |
| gnomefreak | ok ty | 04:21 |
| gnomefreak | might be reading this wrong but are we setting up for kde 4 on feisty? | 04:28 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: not by default, but we want all the packages in | 04:35 |
| gnomefreak | k | 04:36 |
| nixternal | good mornin' | 04:48 |
| gnomefreak | morning | 04:48 |
| Jucato | morning nixternal! | 04:48 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 05:47 |
| fdoving | imbrandon: ping? | 06:16 |
| fdoving | anyone available for a kopete upload to edgy-proposed? | 06:21 |
| Riddell | fdoving: yes | 06:23 |
| fdoving | preparing.. hang on. | 06:23 |
| fdoving | Riddell: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/edgy-proposed/ | 06:27 |
| fdoving | it's the exact same as the debdiff from the SRU bug, except version number change. | 06:27 |
| Riddell | fdoving: uploaded | 06:32 |
| fdoving | Riddell: thanks :) | 06:32 |
| Riddell | sebas: around? | 06:33 |
| Riddell | actually, seaLne probably better | 06:34 |
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| allee | fdoving: hi, fabo tagged kwlan 0.5.6-1 today on alioth. But I only he only see s/.gz/.bz2/ in the watch file. I only tried watch files once with an sf account AFAIR and had no problem. | 06:42 |
| allee | fdoving: maybe it's best to report the redirect problem on pkg-kde-extras. If there a bug, we should report a bug against whatever pkg contains the script | 06:44 |
| fdoving | allee: the problem is with dpatch-get-origtargz, watch files as used by uscan works nicely. but dpatch-get-orig.. doesn't handle all the fancy uscan formats. | 06:44 |
| fdoving | allee: pkg-kde-extras as in the mailinglist? | 06:45 |
| allee | fdoving: yes | 06:45 |
| fdoving | he didn't use any of my changes. | 06:51 |
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| allee | fabo: ^^ have you seen fdoving post on pkg-kde-talk? | 06:57 |
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| fdoving | hi toma. | 06:59 |
| fdoving | allee: i pinged him in debian-qt-kde too. :) | 06:59 |
| toma | hi | 06:59 |
| fdoving | I'll have to subscribe to the kde-extras mailinglists. | 06:59 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: objdump is the most reliable, but you have to hand-walk the dependencies after that. | 07:01 |
| allee | fdoving: pkg-kde-{commits,extras} are a good way to see what's going on. pkg-kde-talk is seldomly used (#debian-qt-kde) is the main channel (like with kubuntu-devel ;) | 07:01 |
| fdoving | allee: i'm subscribed to pkg-kde-commits and just recently subscribed to -talk. need to subscribe to -extras too :) | 07:02 |
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| Tm_T | Hmm, I noticed something weird... | 07:52 |
| Mez | me? | 07:53 |
| Hawkwind | Tm_T: We already know nixternal is weird :P | 07:53 |
| Hawkwind | Hah Mez | 07:53 |
| Tm_T | For example, if you change tab colour in konsole, in colour dialog there's "forty colours" palette. | 07:54 |
| Tm_T | But IIRC that should be "Fourty" | 07:54 |
| Tm_T | I'm using en_GB, anyone can confirm this? | 07:54 |
| Hawkwind | In en_US it would be Forty | 07:54 |
| Hawkwind | I'm not sure about _GB though | 07:55 |
| Hawkwind | I'd surely assume it should be Fourty | 07:55 |
| Mez | in _GB it is forty | 07:55 |
| Hawkwind | Ah, I know GB adds 'u' in some places where we don't have it. It's confusing to remember which is which | 07:56 |
| Tm_T | Hmm, I can't remember seen "forty" before. | 07:56 |
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| Tm_T | And what I've learned, "forty" should be false. | 07:56 |
| Mez | ? | 07:57 |
| Tm_T | But then again, it might be this fever I got. | 07:57 |
| Tm_T | Mez: HAve been studying english ~10 years or so. | 07:57 |
| Mez | Tm_T, forty is correct | 07:58 |
| Mez | https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-en-gb | 07:58 |
| Tm_T | Hmh. | 07:58 |
| Tm_T | But that doesn't sound right. | 07:58 |
| Mez | It IS | 07:59 |
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| Tm_T | Mez: I didn't said it's not right, but it doesn't _sound_ right. | 07:59 |
| Tm_T | Sound & feel. | 08:00 |
| Tm_T | Anyway, doesn't matter really. =) | 08:00 |
| Tm_T | Sleep, maybe I get it tomorrow. -> | 08:00 |
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| fdoving | Riddell: are you doing kdebase uploads? could you replace the patch attached in bug 67610 | 08:38 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 67610 in kdebase "Typing error in a script for Khelpcenter" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67610 | 08:38 |
| Riddell | fdoving: added to my todo | 08:38 |
| fdoving | Riddell: thanks. | 08:39 |
| fdoving | there is also bug 59059 | 08:39 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 59059 in kdeedu "Spelling error in KVocTrain (Vocabulary Trainer) app." [Unknown,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59059 | 08:39 |
| fdoving | patch attached. | 08:40 |
| fdoving | (debdiff). | 08:40 |
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| === fdoving ticks them as done in todo. :) | ||
| fdoving | basket is nice. | 08:41 |
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| Roey | hi! | 08:44 |
| Roey | I heard Python+KDE is to be found here | 08:45 |
| _Sime | what do you need to know? | 08:45 |
| Roey | EVERYTHING. | 08:46 |
| Roey | _Sime: I just lvoe python ;) | 08:46 |
| Roey | and KDE | 08:46 |
| Roey | and I like to code python+kde in my own little utilities. | 08:46 |
| Roey | haggai: yo | 08:46 |
| _Sime | good | 08:46 |
| Roey | hmm | 08:47 |
| Roey | with the C++ bindings, I get this feeling that I need a whole different user account from which to develop within. | 08:48 |
| Roey | I don't get that feeling with the Python bindings, | 08:48 |
| Roey | simply because there's no Make process involved | 08:48 |
| Roey | so I can run the app right from where I develop it.. | 08:48 |
| _Sime | yeah. I've become allergic to build systems. (after auto*) | 08:49 |
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| Roey | _Sime: so how does the standard PyKDE process go, then? | 08:54 |
| Roey | there's no build system there? | 08:54 |
| Roey | (I'm talking about the standard practices among the kubuntu-devel community) | 08:54 |
| _Sime | There is a kind of install system though. http://www.simonzone.com/software/pykdeextensions/en/index.html | 08:55 |
| Roey | oh, ok | 08:56 |
| Roey | thanks _Sime | 08:56 |
| _Sime | and there will most likely be a "standard" way in KDE 4. | 08:56 |
| Roey | there was also this one app | 08:56 |
| Roey | Lime? | 08:56 |
| Roey | Luma? | 08:56 |
| Roey | An LDAP browser in python+kde | 08:56 |
| Roey | Luma, that's it. | 08:56 |
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| Roey | heh | 09:01 |
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| Tonio_ | imbrandon: ping ? | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: isn't that already done in k-d-s ? | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I thought I had already removed that sound | 10:40 |
| Riddell | I just got it ripping a CD in k3b | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes it is already done | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: do you have a k3b.eventsrc file in ~ ? | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | all sounds are disabled in kds | 10:41 |
| Riddell | nope | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | hum.......... | 10:41 |
| Riddell | I also don't have one in /usr/share/k-d-s | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | hu ? | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | maybe I missed the installation of that file......... let me check | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: nope I have it....... | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/k3b.eventsrc | 10:43 |
| Riddell | my k-d-s knows nothing of it | 10:43 |
| Riddell | in edgy | 10:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah yes, but that's done in feisty :) | 10:43 |
| Riddell | ah hah | 10:44 |
| Tonio_ | that's part of the "media simplification" | 10:44 |
| Riddell | genius | 10:44 |
| Tonio_ | I gave k3b love a bit ;) | 10:44 |
| Tonio_ | I also removed the "auto eject" | 10:44 |
| Tonio_ | that's very annoying when you for example blank a cd before burning | 10:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: did you have a look at kio-apt/kpkgmanager ? | 10:45 |
| Tonio_ | I'm really impressed by the possibilities of that combinason, really ! | 10:46 |
| Riddell | not yet | 10:46 |
| Tonio_ | I know you're not "hot" with the idea of replacing adept, but I think we can get everything done, in a very easy way, with it | 10:46 |
| Tonio_ | of course apt:/ needs html improvement and kpkgmanager needs patching to tell users that updates are available | 10:47 |
| Tonio_ | but we'll try to get something better with imbrandon and then we may eventually rediscuss this :) | 10:47 |
| fdoving | kio-apt/kpkgmanager is not actively developed. | 10:55 |
| fdoving | fyi. | 10:56 |
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| Tonio_ | fdoving: isn't it ? | 11:23 |
| fdoving | Hasn't changed much since the first time I packages kio-apt, for.. breezy or hoary.. don't remember exactly. | 11:24 |
| fdoving | breezy probably. | 11:24 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: argh, 2005 ! | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: I missed the year, only looked at the month for the last news date hehe :) | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | I though it was a month ago | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | http://lpnotfr.free.fr/ | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: you're right it seems abandoned........ | 11:25 |
| fdoving | adept is the best out there.. afaik. | 11:27 |
| fdoving | for kde that is. | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: in fact upstream maintains the debian package but not the tarball.... | 11:27 |
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| Tonio_ | fdoving: this is why I saw entries in the debian/changelog | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, I know :) but I also added "see changelog for details" | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: there was too much changes to tell everything with the commit message | 11:28 |
| Riddell | may I suggest copy and paste :) | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: debian/changelog is complete, but the bzr commit message isn't | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: bah aren't bzr commit messages supposed to be small ? | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/36 | 11:32 |
| Tonio_ | looks a bit hudge no ? :) | 11:32 |
| Riddell | there's no reason for commit messages to be small | 11:33 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: does the workaround for session management work? | 11:34 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: yes it does | 11:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay, I'll copy/paste in the future then ;) | 11:35 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: btw, preloading one konq session gives better performances globally | 11:35 |
| fdoving | I had 3.. | 11:36 |
| fdoving | but.. i think you have the wrong bugnumber.. | 11:36 |
| fdoving | http://bugs.kde.org/135999 | 11:36 |
| fdoving | doesn't look correct. | 11:36 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: http://kpkgmanager.cvs.sourceforge.net/kpkgmanager/kpkgmanager/kio-apt/src/ | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: you're definitly right :) | 11:38 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: rpm.cpp 34 hours. | 11:38 |
| fdoving | dpkg.cpp 34 hours. | 11:39 |
| fdoving | accepting patches from debian. | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: yes but this is the only modification in month and month | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: no, this is the correct bug number :) | 11:39 |
| fdoving | ~years. | 11:39 |
| fdoving | ok. | 11:39 |
| fdoving | then i'm thinking of another issue.. | 11:40 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: this also workarrounds the error since a preloaded konqueror avoids the crash | 11:40 |
| fdoving | ok. maybe add a comment to the bug with that information? | 11:40 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: bah if mornfall uploaded changes recently to adept, maybe we should just simply forget kio-apt.... | 11:40 |
| fdoving | kio-apt is nice to have... apt:/ is handy.. but for package management.. i think adept with some UI changes, and upgrades has potential. | 11:41 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: well no need to comment because I'm explaining in the bug that konqueror should be killed to avoid any preloaded session | 11:41 |
| fdoving | ok. | 11:41 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: are you aware that kubuntu-desktop is not installable on feisty ? | 11:53 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay ;) | 11:56 |
| fdoving | kopete failed to build on powerpc and i386, in feisty. | 11:56 |
| fdoving | hmm. | 11:56 |
| fdoving | how often will the buildds retry building? | 12:01 |
| fdoving | .. will they at all, if not poked? | 12:02 |
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