=== claydoh [n=clay@216.220.229.189] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.92.218] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:13] What handles the acpi button events for volume? Feisty lost mine, I don't know what package to file a bug under. === metres [n=metres@bas7-montreal02-1177734729.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:23] i asked this hours ago, sorry if anyone's heard it before, but Why can kdelibs5 not be installed alongside libqt4-dev-kdecopy? === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:23] How is one supposed to run qtmake-qt4 with the second development snapshot of kde? === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.2.202] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.213.193.193] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.2.202] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.92.218] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.92.218] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.92.218] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [03:05] Riddell: ping? [03:06] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/72409 needs to be fixed. it's a regression from edgy [03:06] Malone bug 72409 in kubuntu-meta "kdesu doesnt accept password! but sudo does." [High,Confirmed] [03:07] hi Hobbsee [03:07] hey Jucato [04:02] moins all [04:02] hey imbrandon [04:03] heya Hobbsee [04:03] figure out the kdesu bug ? [04:03] hi imbrandon [04:03] ello Jucato [04:05] imbrandon: nope, didnt look [04:05] imbrandon: exam study :( [04:05] imbrandon: 2 exams tomorrow :( [04:05] ahh [04:08] I just post the bug 72486 and I dont know if its related : when I executed kdesu konqueror, i am unbale to open file with kate... [04:08] Malone bug 72486 in kubuntu-meta "KDEInit ne peut pas lancer kate . (= KDEInit couldnt launch kate .)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/72486 [04:08] same idea same time... === metres [n=metres@bas7-montreal02-1177734729.dsl.bell.ca] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.92.218] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Parkotron [n=parker@dyn129-100-97-146.bc.uwo.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.92.218] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:37] hrm [05:37] anyone else notice there are no desktop icons in feisty [05:37] ( even for files that are on the desktop ) [05:38] imbrandon: feisty can be used now? [05:39] hrm never mind, i figured it out [05:39] freeflying: i've been using it over a week now, there are lots of quarks though [05:39] be warned , its not for everyday use [05:40] :) [05:41] imbrandon: Are there any daily Feisty ISO's generated yet ? [05:41] not that i'm aware of [05:42] its far too early for that anyhow [05:42] I just didn't want to install Edgy in vmware and then upgrade. But guess I have no choice [06:02] imbrandon: kdesu is broken [06:02] at least you know about that one :P === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.92.218] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.213.193.193] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:46] Mwuahaha [06:48] hrm? [06:58] you may if your lucky in the near future get to hear my dulcet tones on an internet radio station again [06:58] oh dera... === Hobbsee runs :P === J-a-r [n=netstar@c83-252-124-128.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:04] hey - I've worked in real radio === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez pokes Hobbsee with an uber lng point stick === Hobbsee attacks Mez with her Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [07:24] hmm, uber lng [07:28] crimsun, I couldnt be bothered with vowels for that word [07:30] :-) I imagined "uber lung" [07:31] Hobbsee: you forgot (tm) [07:32] Jucato: no i didnt. look carefely [07:32] *carefully [07:32] lol it was too small :) [07:32] looks like just a group '''' to me :P [07:43] Hobbsee, why did you run? [07:43] Mez: at the thought of hearing you on the radio? :P [07:43] yeah [07:43] :'( [07:44] why ? [07:44] no reason === Mez cries === Hobbsee has a headache, due to studying. === Hobbsee hugs Mez === nixternal has a headache due to #*motu [07:46] erlang is rediculous..i can't believe im sitting here trying to learn it === nixternal throws the stupid book === Mez is compiling jokosher === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54957553.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:22] moin [08:22] hi kwwii!! [08:23] hi kwwii [08:23] hi Jucato, Lure :-) [08:30] morning all [08:31] morning Riddell - already in GMT? [08:31] 7:31 AM I think [08:31] moin Riddell [08:32] Riddell: did you see the makefile that raphink made for oxygen? [08:33] moins kwwii and Riddell [08:33] Riddell: back on GMT ? hehe [08:33] kwwii: I did not [08:34] I woke up about three hours ago, so not really on GMT yet [08:34] heh, getting closer though :) [08:34] hehe, it took me several days to get back to sleeping all night [08:35] Riddell: it is in playground/artwork/Oxygen/utils/Makefile (note that you have to put an index.theme in the theme dir, and that it erases the .svn stuff) [08:39] longer term I don't think KDE should build-dep on inkscape [08:40] yeah, definitely not...we really need someone to look into hacking ksvg2 or some other k alternative [08:40] we tried to use rsvg but that had really poor results on the small icons [08:45] probably easiest just to have the inkscape generated PNGs in SVN [08:45] Riddell: Same here, woke up at 5.00 CET :/ [08:47] my keeps looking at me funny when I get up earlier than her...she asked me yesterday if I had gone to bed at all :p [08:47] Hehe, same here :> [08:48] Upside is that I'm already quite far sorting out the details for next weekend's meeting [08:49] sebas: when are you arriving? [08:49] I thought about coming on thursday [08:49] I'm arriving on Friday, Wade will be there earlier, however. [08:51] cool...in the end it is up to my wife, really [08:51] Hehe :> === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:12] heay sebas [09:13] kwwii: i gave you and nuno some love in the last UWN ( just a one liner :( ) [09:18] Aye, where's the link? (Hello lazyweb) [09:19] sebas: to the UWN ? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue21 === imbrandon only wrote 4 or 5 small lines for this issue === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:20] imbrandon: Cool :) [09:20] haha infact your in there too sebas i forgot about that [09:21] i fogot to add the guidance stuff but i'll add that next issue [09:21] No problem [09:21] Some progress on the idle time detection, btw. [09:21] nice [09:21] Looks like we'll have that stuff shortly [09:22] nice === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [09:29] hrm [09:29] time to hack my pod a bit for soemthing diffrent === marseillai_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-144-97.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:35] imbrandon: how about bug fix in edgy? upload directly? or updates? [09:35] a bug fix for edgy has to go though the SRU process [09:38] imbrandon: he needs all thelove he can get :-) [09:42] hehe === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Bochi [i=bochi@nat/suse/x-0a2094838f90ec8e] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:16] hi Bochi [10:22] moin === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.2.202] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.213.193.138] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:39] zomg [10:39] i hate gambas at times [10:45] but do you hate gambas as often as I hate isa audio devices? [10:47] heh probably not [10:47] ( as i'm still using it ) [10:50] please make taglib not choke on non-UTF-8 vorbis tags :( [10:50] does it ? [10:50] that cant be good, /me looks [10:51] I'll reproduce it later and write up a bug report === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell spots Hobbsee and is reminded to upload kdelibs/base with sudo support [11:16] Riddell: :D [11:16] Riddell: so you did know about it :) [11:16] sure, you told me [11:16] i meant before that === Hobbsee was quite suprised to see that kdesu broke. [11:18] it just needs compiled with --with-sudo-kdesu-backend [11:19] ahhhh [11:19] Riddell: also, kubuntu-desktop is uninstallable, due to python-qt4. [11:22] it complains about k3b when I try and install it [11:22] no mention of python [11:23] "python-qt4: Depends: python-sip4 (< 4.5) but 4.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed" [11:23] that's the one [11:23] ah well, pyqt4 needs upgraded to the latest version === Hobbsee dist-upgraded, which is why she probably didnt get the k3b breakage [11:24] quite likely === Hobbsee will leave that to you :) [11:24] thanks :) [11:25] haha [11:25] Riddell: you could do my two exams tomorrow instead, if you wanted. [11:27] Kopete with full speech is fun, soon irritating. =) [11:28] Hmm, really should find way to get this useful for restricted ones. [11:29] Tm_T-- [11:29] Thank you sir. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:47] crimsun: ( or someone ) is there a way to tell the dependancys of a binary by looking at the binary only ? [11:48] ldd [11:48] hrm kk === sebas grins at imbrandon [11:48] heh [11:48] ugh [11:49] what, about from apt-cache show foo | grep Depends? [11:49] if its not a deb it dosent help :) [11:49] you didnt specify what kind of binary [11:50] file kpkg [11:50] kpkg: a /usr/bin/gbx -x script text executable [11:50] ^^ that kind :) [11:50] oh right [12:02] imbrandon: ping for upload. se bug 69583 [12:02] Malone bug 69583 in kopete "SRU: kopete can't connect to ICQ. " [Low,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/69583 [12:02] to -proposed ? [12:02] yes. [12:02] kk [12:03] didn't know i could change the patch without a new approval. but one can apparently do that. [12:03] (ref. last comment by mdz) === goldenear [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:04] fdoving: this patch ? http://librarian.launchpad.net/4945802/kopete_fix_kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1_to_kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu3.debdiff [12:04] hang on. [12:06] ubuntu1 to ubuntu3 , yes. [12:06] that's the one. [12:06] ubuntu2 is already in -proposed, that's why we jump from ubuntu1 to ubuntu3. [12:07] right === imbrandon is preping it now [12:07] thanks again :) [12:07] np [12:08] ahh rockon you already had it targeted correct === imbrandon hugs fdoving [12:08] :) === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:12] Riddell: ping [12:13] hi imbrandon [12:14] !find rgb.txt [12:14] the email you replied to mez about on the -devel list ( c.f. libmtp and libnjb ) has already been done , libnjb a few months ago and libmtp a week or so ago by me [12:14] File rgb.txt found in dspam-webfrontend, emacs-snapshot-common, emacs21-common, latex2html, mrtg-contrib (and 8 others) [12:14] !find /etc/X11/rgb.txt [12:14] Package/file /etc/x11/rgb.txt does not exist in edgy [12:14] ehm. [12:14] just FYI [12:15] infact the edgy amarok uses libnjb and the feisty one uses libnjb and libmtp :) [12:16] fdoving: ok uploaded, can you make sure it actualy hits -proposed [12:16] imbrandon: thanks. [12:16] how do i make sure it does? [12:16] no thank you, all i did was upload :) [12:16] imbrandon: yeah, I'm going through my old unread e-mails and came across your reply shortly after I sent that [12:16] hehe [12:16] Riddell: okies, just wanted to let ya know [12:16] thanks [12:17] fdoving: by checking ummmm, not sure to be honest === J-a-r [n=netstar@c83-252-124-128.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:17] probably have to have it in your sources.list and test the package [12:17] fdoving: might be a good question for u-devel when some archive admins are arround [12:18] ok. === ttoine [n=ttoine@sal69-2-82-241-217-159.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:19] imbrandon: is the kopete in feisty fixed? will there be a new upstream? if not, the fix could probably be uploaded there too. === Hobbsee hasnt looked === Hobbsee has been very lax === fdoving neither. [12:20] mind you, imbrandon can take it over, as he has the powers to upload. [12:21] it's ubuntu1 in feisty too. [12:21] imbrandon: ping for same debdiff upload to feisty :) [12:21] fdoving: then i'll upload that same thing to feisty [12:21] ok [12:22] thanks :) [12:23] done [12:24] although there might be a conflict now that two packages are in the pool with the same name, hrm, -proposed/-updates should probably have gotten a ubuntu1.X number [12:24] it might not hit -proposed anyhow because i'm not seeing ubuntu2 there [12:24] anyhow i'll keep an eye out [12:24] fdoving: ^ [12:25] ok. [12:25] i asked mdz about the versioning some time ago.. he said 1.x is for security only iirc. [12:30] hello [12:31] somebody knows where i can find tonio, it is very important [12:31] ttoine: he's in here whenever he's online [12:31] e-mail maybe? [12:32] Riddell: so he is not online at the moment [12:32] i emailed him, yes [12:33] no, he's not [12:34] http://www.mandriva.com/en/community/mandrivaone Mandriva comparison chart seems to list Windows and Kubuntu as their main comparisons [12:34] =) [12:35] Riddell: hehe nice [12:35] That's weird. [12:36] Simple Text Processor Blocnote Kwrite, Kedit Kate [12:36] Err, Kubuntu doesn't have Kedit as default, and uses Kate about everywhere, right? [12:36] Tm_T: correct === Hobbsee is wondering how they fit all that onto one cd - they've got things like firefox, and other gtk stuff [12:37] we also don't come with the gimp by default [12:37] exactly [12:37] and gnucash [12:38] Err, what's that Blocnote? Never used anything like that in Windows. === webben_ [n=benjamin@91.84.26.225] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:41] Sorry to ask this yet again, but given that kdelibs5 conflicts with the kdecopy libraries, how is one supposed to run qmake-qt4 with the second KDE development snapshot? [12:41] Riddell: I presume they threw out all they don't need to run openoffice & firefox to get stuff into one cd. [12:42] well without winfloss on there we could add firefox, notice they limit the lang packs , and only have 1cd for i386 [12:42] thats really the only diff [12:42] the rest is the same on down the line [12:42] Hm, true. [12:42] ok [12:42] webben_: good question. it's a issue. [12:43] thanks [12:43] see you... === ttoine [n=ttoine@sal69-2-82-241-217-159.fbx.proxad.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [12:44] fdoving, is there any workaround? I'm trying to build webkit ... and that means I need KDE4 development packages and qmake. [12:44] Riddell: are "we" gonna do the /opt thing for the send snapshot ? [12:44] fdoving, would the best thing be to try and downgrade back to Krash 1 [12:44] we == you atm i guess [12:44] fdoving, would pulling down kde from subversion work? [12:45] (not that I actually fancy compiling KDE :( ) [12:45] webben_: poke Riddell , he can probably have a fix soonish [12:45] Riddell: libqt4-dev-kdecopy have: dbusxml2cpp dbus dbuscpp2xml libqt4-dev have qdbusxml2cpp qdbus and qdbuscpp2xml - what is the correct naming? === webben_ pokes Riddell [12:45] ( or workaround ) brb afk [12:46] webben_: well.. i'm not sure. others with the same problem have ended up using their own compiled QT for development. keeping the libqt4-nonkdecopy installed. === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.231.206] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:47] fdoving: yea but we're trying not to have that happen in feisty [12:47] afaik [12:47] back in ~30 minutes [12:47] fdoving, I don't suppose there's a howto for doing that? I don't want to mess up my existing KDE install, which is one of the reasons why the Kubuntu packages were attractive in the first place. === webben_ is running Edgy [12:49] webben_: not that i'm aware of. I know sredna tried to use kubuntu-packages for development some weeks ago. I think he ended up with a own-compiled-qt. [12:49] webben_: -kdecopy is obsolete, don't use it [12:50] webben_: the qt4-kdecopy packages have more than one issue.. [12:50] fdoving: don't use them [12:51] noted. [12:51] ah okay === webben_ shall uninstall qt4-kdecopy stuff [12:52] Could I download the latest QT libs snapshot from Trolltech and use that the Kubuntu kdelibs5 packages? [12:52] *use that with [12:53] webben_: just use the normal qt4 packages, that's what kdelibs5 depends on [12:54] Riddell, then where's qmake-qt4? [12:54] Humm, I think I try to build KDE4 from svn. [12:55] qmake is 1.07a (Qt 3.3.6) [12:55] as is qmake-qt3 [12:55] and that's all I got [12:55] webben_: it's in libqt4-dev [12:56] ah okay === Tonio_ [n=tonio@56.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:57] Riddell, btw I suspect people will work this out but on [12:57] http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.2.php [12:57] shouldn't "export KDEHOME=/home//.kde4" read "export KDEHOME=~/.kde4 [12:58] yop [12:58] Riddell: I'm changing kds to install flash9 instead of flash 7 [12:58] since /home//.kde4 doesn't exist? [12:58] Riddell: did you notice kdesu is broken since your last upload of kdelibs ? [12:58] Tonio_: I uploaded a fix a couple of hours ago [12:59] Tonio_: he fixed it, and why is k-d-s having something from multiverse ? [12:59] Riddell: ah great ;) [12:59] imbrandon: to make it like firefox : auto install flash when required [12:59] imbrandon: it doesn't include code from multiverse, but downloads it [12:59] webben_: fixed, thanks [12:59] Riddell, yw [12:59] Tonio_: hrm, you should possibly make it ask then for gnash too, because no amd64 or ppc support [01:00] imbrandon: can be compared to the mp3 script for amarok [01:00] Tonio_, which Flash is it going to install? 7 or 9 beta? [01:00] webben_: 9 final [01:00] imbrandon: the installation is only performed with i386 [01:00] ah okay [01:00] imbrandon: we'll probably remove this when gnash becomes mature enough to be used by everyone [01:00] Tonio_: ahh ok, can you make the option for gnash ..... no matter of fact i will for amd64 and ppc [01:01] imbrandon: hum the problem is that it doesn't install a package....... [01:01] what dosent install a package? [01:01] imbrandon: it gets the binary from the tar.Gz file provided by adobe [01:01] whoa, no no no [01:01] with the licence too [01:01] DONT do that [01:01] Tonio_, Won't Adobe Flash Player always be at least slightly ahead of Gnash? [01:01] wow , NO [01:01] Tonio_: stop [01:01] imbrandon: bah it is already in edgy ;) [01:01] that will roaly fuck some people [01:01] shit [01:01] who did that ? [01:02] imbrandon: it doesn't with firefox [01:02] what the fuck [01:02] imbrandon: it is EXACTLY what firefox does [01:02] and thats exactly why its patched out of ff in ubuntu [01:02] is it ? [01:02] yes [01:02] it is [01:02] it wasn't last time I used it [01:03] if you use the firefox from our repos it will NOT auto download flash [01:03] just for that very reason [01:03] http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29123 [01:03] this is the patch I added [01:03] zomg [01:03] everyone hates flash anyway. [01:03] we need to fix that with a sru quickly [01:03] man [01:03] imbrandon: we can think of a different way to proceed with feisty, I don't mind [01:04] imbrandon: just that this is in edgy, whatever we do it is too late now :) [01:04] and afaik nobody complains at the moment [01:04] not only a diffrent way to proceeded with feisty but we need to SRU it for edgy also, why do you think automatix breaks upgrades, some of the same type thing [01:04] no it isnt too late, with a messup this bad we need to sru it [01:05] sru ? [01:05] man i wish i had the time today to fix this, ok i'll fix it tonight [01:05] stable release update [01:05] e.g -updates [01:05] ah ok :) [01:05] fdoving: Flash /can/ be used for useful content. And since it /will/ be used for such content, people should be enabled to access it. [01:05] well what would you suggest then ? [01:05] Won't FP9 go into the Canonical commercial repository? [01:05] removce this and let people install a package manually ? [01:05] Tonio_: using the package from multiverse [01:06] no [01:06] Couldn't it just be downloaded from there? [01:06] don't forget it breaks adept at the moment ! [01:06] fix the patch to grab the package [01:06] then dont fskin use adept to get it [01:06] :) [01:06] hum, no this isn't possible at the moment since we need to add multiverse etc........ [01:06] the patch doesn't do that afaik [01:06] we do it with amarok we can do it there too [01:06] well.. enjoy guys. I have to go. Bye. [01:06] its not that hard to cvhange it from grabbing a binary from the web to running a bash script [01:07] just like amarok [01:07] imbrandon: hum........ we should lookat that eventually [01:07] Tonio_: wow , not eventualy, this is a major problem, i'll do it tonight [01:07] imbrandon, Why can't it grab a deb from the web? [01:07] having scripts installing random binaries from the web is.. evil :) [01:07] imbrandon: you don't know the way it works at the moment [01:07] fdoving: yes and breaks upgrades and packages [01:07] imbrandon: the current thing is in kdebase + kds [01:08] I'll do the change, don't mind [01:08] imbrandon, what does the shell script do that a deb doesn't? [01:08] Tonio_: where does this thing fetch flash from? - is the source safe? is the package signed? [01:08] fdoving: it does use the tar.gz file from adobe website [01:08] not a deb package [01:08] fdoving, It could fetch it from a special repository created for kubuntu if canonical doesn't put it in commercial [01:08] webben_: keep track of files it installs, check checksums of installed files, etc. [01:08] fdoving: no its grabbing it from adbobe, but even if it was it will still break that packages and upgrades later, think about when security updates are added [01:09] webben_: that's what imbrandon wants to change. [01:09] fdoving, Doesn't a deb do that automatically? [01:09] webben_: yes but a deb will also keep track of it and update it when security updates come out [01:09] webben_: yes, .debs do that autoamtically. if they are signed when they are created. [01:09] fdoving, when you say "binaries" do you mean binaries that are unpackaged? [01:09] that happens alot with flash [01:10] fdoving, i.e. non-deb binaries that are just unpacked into a directory somewhere [01:10] webben_: correct. [01:10] ah okay [01:10] yeah that is bad then [01:10] should definitely be a deb of some sort [01:10] yes, and from a ubuntu repository. [01:10] exactly, if for nothing else the fact of security updates [01:10] signed with the correct keys. [01:10] (although bear in mind we're talking /one/ file and some symlinks [01:11] fdoving: yep i agree with all that [01:11] webben_: it dosent matter, did you see how many secutrity updates were made to flash 7 === fdoving supports imbrandon on this. [01:11] imbrandon, sorry, what is "it"? [01:11] one file or 50, still dosent matter when you get rooted [01:11] and now i have to go. [01:11] bye. [01:11] imbrandon, Oh I agree with that. Just in terms of tracking the installation itself, one file isn't so bad. [01:12] fdoving, bye :) [01:12] right but apt should take care of all that, anyhow yes it needs to be fixed asap, man i wish i would have known this before edgy shipped [01:13] imbrandon, Do we know whether Canonical are or aren't going to put FP9 final in the edgy or feisty commercial repositories? [01:13] what is FP9? [01:13] oh, flash [01:13] Riddell, sorry... FP9 == Flash Player 9 [01:13] Didn't they put FP7 plugin in the Dapper repo? [01:14] imbrandon: I'll do the change today [01:14] webben_: its in mulitverse, and as far as one witht the binarys thats upto adobe not canonical, they just host it, the parent company does the package [01:14] webben_: no [01:14] ah [01:14] webben_: there is flashplugin-nonfree in multiverse [01:14] ( its 9 on feisty ) [01:14] and 7 on earlier releases [01:14] imbrandon: I betcha Canonical could get the adobe guys to add FP9 to commercial [01:15] I mean the developers were busy showing off FP9 on Edgy [01:15] webben_: probably if adbobe wished to contact canonical, real and opera contacted canonical not the other way [01:16] imbrandon, Really? How come Canonical can't be proactive in that regard? [01:16] ( and to be honest its kinda crazy as they havent updtaed the software to the latest releases nor the latest ubuntu ) [01:16] webben_: it can if it wished [01:16] imbrandon, Well they haven't done Edgy yet, true. But updates to the latest software shouldn't be done just for the sake of it. [01:16] but like i said the parent company packages those etc, not canonical [01:16] (Just like other Ubuntu software is only updated for major bug fixes/security risks). [01:17] And the multiverse package presumably grabs the tar.gz from Adobe's site and installs that? [01:17] webben_: when its not managed by us, e.g. if opera manages the packages and they make a relewase its stupid for them not to also package that release, other wise why make it [01:17] webben_: yes, but then the package can be updated to get a new security fix and be tracked if need be [01:18] imbrandon, Well. Yes. /If/ they test it. And /if/ it contains security fixes. [01:18] thats the major thing [01:18] (I grant you browser releases usually do contain security fixes.) === webben_ uses Opera debs straight from the Opera repository. [01:18]