[12:12] <ButteBlues> visik7: Aye, I heard.
[12:12] <ButteBlues> But as far as I knew it was only WoW.
[12:12] <visik7> yes for now
[12:12] <ButteBlues> In either case, I have a legit CD-ROM+key.
[12:12] <visik7> also ppl banned from wow had a legit key
[12:12] <ButteBlues> and I can live with even the campaigns on single player
[12:13] <ButteBlues> I'm just about dying from RTS withdrawal... Wesnoth is addictive, but it doens't have the same feel RTSs do.
[12:13] <bLaZeD> visik7, they do?
[12:13] <visik7> yes they do
[12:13] <bLaZeD> damn
[12:13] <visik7> they sucks
[12:13] <bLaZeD> idsoft is the shiat
[12:13] <doGoFWAR> Blazd I am using wine
[12:13] <bLaZeD> doGoFWAR, may consider using cedgea
[12:14] <doGoFWAR> No money
[12:14] <doGoFWAR> lol
[12:14] <visik7> what idsoft has to do with blizzard ?
[12:14] <bLaZeD> visik7, nothing
[12:14] <visik7> why you blame them ?
[12:14] <bLaZeD> visik7, i dont think so.....just saying they are the shit....as in they are good
[12:15] <bLaZeD> idsoft is great...they have released parts of their source cod for several games
[12:15] <bLaZeD> doGoFWAR, ah
[12:15] <ButteBlues> well I'm sure I could get WC3 to play fine
[12:15] <ButteBlues> if only I could get past installation :*
[12:15] <ButteBlues> There's a .mpq in the Movies folder
[12:15] <ButteBlues> that refuses to transfer
[12:15] <ButteBlues> and results the install dying
[12:16] <ButteBlues> I think it might be borked
[12:16] <ButteBlues> because the other mpqs show up as videos
[12:16] <ButteBlues> but this one, doesn't have a preview at all
[12:16] <rbrunhuber> is the button daemon in feisty missing?
[12:17] <bLaZeD> rbrunhuber, feisty.....isnt there a chan to desucuss  that
[12:17] <bLaZeD> like #ubuntu+1
[12:17] <bLaZeD> or somthing
[12:17] <rbrunhuber> sorry don't know
[12:19] <rbrunhuber> bLaZeD: you are right, thank you for the pointer
[12:19] <gnomefreak> bLaZeD: #ubuntu+1
[12:19] <bLaZeD> rbrunhuber, np man......i just figured no on ein here would know about such new software......maby a selct few...but not alot
[12:21] <Raven301> W00t kernel 2.6.18.3-01 on edgy :)
[12:23] <visik7> Raven301: uh ?
[12:24] <gnomefreak> Raven301: not pre-compiled
[12:24] <visik7> self compiled ?
[12:24] <shymz> hi :)
[12:24] <Raven301> visik7: yes
[12:24] <visik7> why ?
[12:25] <Raven301> visik7: why not :)
[12:25] <Raven301> visik7: only takes about 45 min.
[12:25] <visik7> 'couse is useless ?
[12:26] <rbrunhuber> bLaZeD: the ubuntu world is just so big....
[12:26] <bLaZeD> rbrunhuber, thats one of its strong points....is huge following
[12:27] <foxhound31> how do i find out if i have xgl/compiz please
[12:27] <soulrider> !nvidia
[12:27] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:28] <gnomefreak> foxhound31: #ubuntu-xgl
[12:28] <foxhound31> ok thanks
[12:28] <soulrider> !nvidia
[12:28] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:29] <soulrider> oops
[12:29] <soulrider> !mp3
[12:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:30] <khirr> one of u can tell me where can i found winamp 3 alpha for linux?
[12:31] <Bubba_Gump> amarok shows track titles to 3 or 4 or 5 seconds, rather than the true length of what they actually are
[12:31] <Bubba_Gump> any way of solving this?
[12:32] <seanieb64> Hi
[12:33] <seanieb64> Can anyone help me? when I turned my computer on this morning, Kubuntu couldnt connect to the internet
[12:33] <seanieb64> I checked the settings, Ethernet was off.
[12:34] <seanieb64> I tried to turn it back on, and it said could not read XML output from network configuration backend, or something like that
[12:35] <ubuntu_> geia sas
[12:35] <LjL> !gr | ubuntu_
[12:35] <ubotu> ubuntu_: #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr     /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[12:38] <Ash-Fox> How does one force a specific package to reinstall everything, including a /etc/init.d/script?
[12:38] <LjL> Ash-Fox: usually i'd just remove it with --purge and install again
[12:38] <Ash-Fox> LjL, thankyou very much =)
[12:39] <seanieb64> anyone?
[12:40] <khirr> how can i cancel apt-get?
[12:40] <Ash-Fox> ctrl + c
[12:40] <fdoving> ctrl-c
[12:40] <khirr> thanks
[12:40] <LjL> *don't* do it unless it's just downloading
[12:41] <fdoving> it's always safe to do it.
[12:41] <LjL> if you do it while it's installing, khirr, you might end up in trouble
[12:41] <Bubba_Gump> amarok shows song lengths (mp3s) shorter than the track itself, any chance of a fix ?
[12:41] <fdoving> apt-get is buildt to be safe.
[12:41] <seanieb64> how can I fix this error when trying to start the eth0 inerface: could not read XML output from network configuration backend, or very close to that?
[12:41] <Ash-Fox> Bubba_Gump, amarok doesn't do that here.
[12:41] <LjL> fdoving: perhaps it's supposed to...
[12:41] <Bubba_Gump> heh, well, it does here
[12:42] <Bubba_Gump> i have, there is a bug recorded
[12:42] <Bubba_Gump> four months ago
[12:42] <soulrider> i got a really important issue
[12:42] <soulrider> my friend just insatlled edgy
[12:42] <soulrider> but nothing that uses kdesu seems to work
[12:42] <Ash-Fox> soulrider, tried restarting?
[12:43] <soulrider> adept wont open for him
[12:43] <soulrider> and i told him to do kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list in runc ommand and the password window wont pop up
[12:43] <soulrider> any ideas?
[12:43] <soulrider> yes
[12:43] <soulrider> he restarted
[12:43] <Ash-Fox> (I've seen that issue when x authentication files get messed during X reconfigurations.. but that happening after a restart.. uhm. No.)
[12:45] <soulrider> when he tries to run adept
[12:45] <soulrider> he sees the thingy bouncing
[12:45] <soulrider> but it never opens
[12:45] <seanieb64> the icon by the cursor?
[12:46] <soulrider> yup
[12:46] <seanieb64> Did you have him check the logs?
[12:46] <soulrider> hes newbie
[12:46] <kevman> How do I change which mixer my laptop volume buttons move?
[12:46] <soulrider> if i tell him to check the logs
[12:46] <soulrider> he will kill me :P
[12:46] <seanieb64> Uhm, Why
[12:46] <seanieb64> ?
[12:47] <soulrider> he deosnt geta long with computers so mcuh
[12:47] <soulrider> he asked mea bout linux
[12:47] <sdlnxgk> Need some  help !!!
[12:47] <soulrider> because his comp was FULL of spyware and viruses
[12:47] <soulrider> sdlnxgk: whats up
[12:47] <sdlnxgk> cdrom will mount but can't see results
[12:47] <Dr_willis> gee.. there needs to be a Public education program to help all these windows users deal with spyware and virusi.
[12:47] <Dr_willis> "just say Linux!"
[12:48] <soulrider> yea lol
[12:48] <soulrider> iw as gonna say that
[12:48] <seanieb64> N00bs anonymous.
[12:48] <soulrider> hjahaha
[12:48] <sdlnxgk> Dr_willis  there is it's called Linux :)
[12:48] <Dr_willis> Lesson #1 - No you do NOT need to run executables to install 'wallpaper and themes' for your instant messenger program
[12:48] <sdlnxgk> how can I reinstall a cdrom??
[12:48] <soulrider> haha
[12:49] <soulrider> Dr_willis:  whats an exceutable? they ask
[12:49] <Dr_willis> sdlnxgk,  that makes no sence. clarify what you are trying to do.
[12:49] <fyrmedic> how do I ls 1 page at a time without scrolling through everything
[12:49] <fyrmedic> ?
[12:49] <chx> fyrmedic: ls |less
[12:49] <fyrmedic> thanx
[12:49] <Dr_willis> linux 101 :)
[12:49] <soulrider> like dir /p in  DOS? :P
[12:49] <chx> which MP3 play is recommended under Kubuntu if I used winamp and beep-media-player (xmms derivation) before?
[12:49] <seanieb64> sdlnxgk: a CD? or a CD-rom driver?
[12:49] <soulrider> ive been using this for 5 months, but i consider myself a BIG n00b
[12:49] <seanieb64> There are no CD-ROM drive drivers
[12:49] <Dr_willis> chx,  amarok is very popular
[12:50] <seanieb64> I myself like XMMS.
[12:50] <seanieb64> Amarok is nice though
[12:50] <sdlnxgk> seanieb54 I did a stupid thing and deleted the cdrom directory
[12:50] <seanieb64> O_o
[12:50] <seanieb64> Uhm.
[12:50] <seanieb64> Well...
[12:50] <sdlnxgk> never  thought it was doing anything
[12:50] <Dr_willis> sdlnxgk,  you are refering to the /media/cdrom directory?
[12:50] <sdlnxgk> no
[12:51] <seanieb64> what did you delete?
[12:51] <sdlnxgk> Dr_willis refering to /cdrom
[12:51] <Dr_willis> hmm do i even have a /cdrom?
[12:51] <seanieb64> The CD's shortut on the desktop?
[12:51] <zorba64> so remake it
[12:51] <sdlnxgk> the /media/cdrom0 is still  there
[12:51] <seanieb64> Pop the disk out and put it back in.
[12:51] <Dr_willis> ls -l /cdrom
[12:51] <Dr_willis> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2006-10-20 09:24 /cdrom -> media/cdrom
[12:51] <Dr_willis>  /cdrom is just a softr link to /media/cdrom    remake it.
[12:51] <sdlnxgk> I made a shortcut on desktop and it loads but doesn't show contents of the cdrom
[12:52] <seanieb64> Take out the CD
[12:52] <seanieb64> Delete the shortcut
[12:52] <seanieb64> Put the CD back in
[12:52] <sdlnxgk> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-06-15 11:06 cdrom0
[12:52] <seanieb64> Ubuntu will make you an icon on the desktop.
[12:52] <seanieb64> The CD is there.
[12:52] <seanieb64> Go to the system menu
[12:53] <seanieb64> click home folder, then on the sidebar click click removable media
[12:53] <seanieb64> it should be in there.
[12:53] <seanieb64> Oops
[12:53] <seanieb64> Click in the system menu, Removable media
[12:53] <sdlnxgk> looking now
[12:54] <sdlnxgk> I don't see removable media as an option
[12:54] <chx> Dr_willis: and is there something that gives amaroK a winamp look-and-feel?
[12:55] <chx> Dr_willis: or is it time for me to relearn my old habits? :)
[12:55] <sdlnxgk> but I do see /dev/hda under disk and filesystems
[12:55] <seanieb64> go into that then
[12:55] <seanieb64> do you see cdrom?
[12:55] <sdlnxgk> yes
[12:55] <seanieb64> click there
[12:55] <seanieb64> there are the cd contents
[12:55] <sdlnxgk> I see it but it's not enabled like the hard drives are
[12:57] <sdlnxgk> hmmm it's saying there is no mount point
[12:59] <sdlnxgk> will not let me modify it
[12:59] <sdlnxgk> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[01:02] <sdlnxgk> still can't enable the cdrom
[01:03] <soulrider> is there a way to reinstall kdesu? =/
[01:04] <LjL> soulrider: it's in the kdebase-bin package
[01:06] <soulrider> k
[01:06] <soulrider> is it safe to reinstall that package ?
[01:06] <LjL> every package should be safe to reinstall. "sudo apt-get reinstall kdebase-bin". though i'm not sure how that'd help
[01:07] <soulrider> dunno
[01:07] <soulrider> maybe it helps
[01:07] <soulrider> my friend gets this error when doing kdesu <application> from a consola
[01:07] <soulrider> !pastebin
[01:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:08] <jackq> is it possible to, reset adept manager? says it wont load cache
[01:08] <soulrider> LjL: he gets this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32851/
[01:08] <soulrider> jackq: use CLI ?
[01:09] <jackq> CLI ?
[01:09] <soulrider> command line
[01:09] <jackq> oh yeah
[01:09] <soulrider> cli is just faster than adept
[01:10] <soulrider> whata re you trying to do ?
[01:10] <Dr_willis> chx,  i get the stuff playing and i just let it play for hrs on end.. :) interface means very littel to me.
[01:10] <jackq> i was trying to install vlc, said something about universe respository, so i edited the source
[01:11] <jackq> don't think i did it right
[01:11] <Dr_willis> !repos
[01:11] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:11] <Dr_willis> !universe
[01:11] <sgorilla78> is there a good comparison between kde and gnome?
[01:11] <LjL> soulrider: check the permissions and owner of ~/.Xauthority perhaps
[01:11] <Dr_willis> sgorilla78,  use each one for a while :)
[01:11] <jackq> doing apt-get update, gives me : Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[01:12] <jackq> couldn't i just edit the list in a tex editor?
[01:12] <jackq> text*
[01:12] <LjL> soulrider: owner and group should be the user's (not root), and permissions should be rw for the owner and nothing for the others
[01:12] <soulrider> LjL: its my friend, he just isnatlled kubuntu
[01:12] <soulrider> and nothing that uses kdesu works for him
[01:12] <soulrider> should he do: sudo chmod +X ~/.Xauthority ?
[01:13] <ironfroggy> i am so lost. does anyone know of documentation on what the grub stages actually mean?
[01:13] <LjL> soulrider: i don't know what +X is honestly
[01:13] <ironfroggy> as in "if it gets to this stage, these things might be wrong but these things are definately working" etc.
[01:13] <LjL> soulrider: what i'd do is "sudo chown hisusername:hisusername ~/.Xauthority ; sudo chmod u=rw ~/.Xauthority"
[01:15] <soulrider> k, lets see if it works
[01:15] <ubuntu__> hello all
[01:16] <dan14> is anyone here?
[01:16] <sgorilla78> yes
[01:16] <dan14> i have a question that i am sure has been answered many times before, but i have tried to follow the howto's that i have found and none of them seem to work
[01:17] <dan14> i have a dell e1505 with an intel ipw3945 wireless card, and i cannot get the wireless to work
[01:18] <mefisto_> I'm trying to install ati driver following howto @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=204910 but I get stuck at the "create .deb packages" stage. After doing ./ati-driver-installer-8.26.18-x86.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/dapper I get an error: permission denied. I'm doing this as root, and the file is not read-only, so I don't understand what the error is about.
[01:18] <dan14> i have tried to install the ieee80211 tar but i am not sure if i am doing it correctly, or if that step is even necessary
[01:18] <dan14> create the root account and make sure you run su to fully switch to root, not just sudo
[01:18] <sgorilla78> dan14: does that card need firmware?
[01:18] <sgorilla78> sudo su -
[01:18] <sgorilla78> that will work also
[01:19] <klove> i can't get to apt-get install proftpd
[01:19] <dan14> i am not sure what you mean... i had wireless working in slackware when i installed the drivers from intel
[01:20] <sgorilla78> dan14: you modprobed the drivers?
[01:20] <dan14> right now, i can run the wireless assistant and it accurately scans for networks, but it seems like it times out before it gets an ip
[01:20] <dan14> no i have not
[01:20] <dan14> i would but i am on the live cd right now
[01:20] <sgorilla78> i have never used the ubuntu live cd
[01:21] <dan14> i just booted it because i was planning to redo the install
[01:21] <sgorilla78> i have never used any of the wireless assistant stuff
[01:21] <sgorilla78> i would try using iwconfig
[01:21] <sgorilla78> and use tshark to debug it
[01:21] <dan14> tshark?
[01:21] <sgorilla78> formally called ethereal/tethereal
[01:22] <dan14> i tried iwconfig eth1 (my wireless) essid linksys. it was then associated but i do not know the command in ubuntu for dhcpcd equivalent
[01:22] <dan14> ic
[01:22] <sgorilla78> oh
[01:22] <sgorilla78> dhclient3 eth1
[01:23] <sgorilla78> that should be the best program to do it
[01:23] <sgorilla78> for ubuntu
[01:23] <dan14> ok... i will try it, just a sec
[01:24] <soulrider> LjL: that didnt work
[01:24] <LjL> soulrider: then i don't know. google didn't help either
[01:24] <unix_infidel> you're trying to setup wireless?
[01:24] <dan14> yes
[01:24] <soulrider> aww damn
[01:24] <soulrider> im trying ot get my friend out of windows
[01:24] <unix_infidel> dan14: what card?
[01:24] <soulrider> bu tthis isnt helping
[01:25] <dan14> unix_infidel: intel ipw3945
[01:25] <soulrider> adept isnt opening
[01:25] <soulrider> which is NOT cool
[01:25] <dan14> dhclient3 failed
[01:25] <soulrider> in fact, nothing with kdesi opens
[01:25] <unix_infidel> you've installed the drivers?
[01:25] <soulrider> kdesu*
[01:25] <dan14> it tried to get an ip but it only sent to 255.255.255.255
[01:25] <unix_infidel> give me the output of dmesg | grep ipw in pastebin
[01:25] <unix_infidel> erm, `dmesg | grep ipw` without the backticks in pastebin please.
[01:25] <unix_infidel> !pastebin
[01:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:25] <sgorilla78> dan14: output tshark -i eth1 in pastebin also
[01:26] <dan14> unix_infidel: i am not sure if they are installed correctly... never used ubuntu before, i am able to scan for networks and it tries to connect but fails
[01:26] <unix_infidel> dan14: well, lets make sure we know that the hardware is operational first with the dmesg command.
[01:26] <dan14> sgorrilla: how do i do that>
[01:26] <dan14> ?
[01:26] <sgorilla78> apt-get install wireshark
[01:27] <dan14> thank you all very much, i am going to boot into kubuntu quickly (from the live cd)
[01:27] <dan14> will be right back
[01:27] <dan14> i dont want to fix this on the live cd and have it not work on the real kernel
[01:27] <sgorilla78> ok
[01:27] <LjL> soulrider: i'd try creating a new user, making it a member of admin, and seeing if that one works
[01:27] <soulrider> good idea
[01:27] <uksprout> hello all I have a problem that I think is a video config problem, I cannot see video output on my tv however I can see the boot up, desktop and all applications, I have troed kaffeine and vlc players but all I get is a blue screen in both of them
[01:28] <LjL> soulrider: somehow i still think that .Xauthority is messed up
[01:29] <uksprout> OS is mepis 6.0 video driver is nvidia legacy and I have sound just no picture
[01:30] <dan14> i am back, thanks for waiting
[01:30] <Kr4t05> uksprout: We don't support mepis.
[01:30] <Kr4t05> uksprout: This is a Kubuntu channel.
[01:30] <dan14> ok, i will do a dmesg and look for wireless
[01:30] <soulrider> LjL: he cant edit suers ebcause kdesu isnt working
[01:30] <soulrider> unless theres a way of doing it from the CLI
[01:31] <soulrider> were screwed =/
[01:31] <LjL> soulrider: course there is. "sudo visudo"
[01:31] <uksprout> I understand that I was hoping that this was a general linux problem that someone might know the fix for as I have been trying to get help in a mepis chatroom all day and nothing
[01:31] <soulrider> whats that ?
[01:31] <Kr4t05> uksprout: What format are you trying to play?
[01:32] <soulrider> LjL: can you guide me through it ?
[01:32] <uksprout> divx it shows on the pc monitor fine
[01:32] <LjL> soulrider, just type "sudo visudo" and nano (assuming it's the default editor) will open up with /etc/sudoers ready to be edited
[01:32] <soulrider> it did
[01:33] <LjL> soulrider: anyway wait a moment, why are you editing sudoers anyway?
[01:33] <soulrider> you just told me lol
[01:33] <RawSewage> Is there ANY way to record Skype?
[01:33] <soulrider> to create a new user
[01:33] <RawSewage> Kraken doesnt work
[01:33] <soulrider> since we cant use the GUI
[01:33] <LjL> soulrider: uh, yeah, but i didn't tell you to edit sudoers
[01:33] <soulrider> =/
[01:33] <LjL> soulrider: "sudo adduser <username>" is the command to add a user
[01:33] <soulrider> will that user be admin ?
[01:34] <dan14> i just did a dmesg and it doesnt have anything about ipw and the only ieee reference it makes is ieee1394
[01:34] <SperMite> why won't chown let me change the ownership of /media/iso?
[01:34] <ubuntu__> hola
[01:34] <ubuntu__> buenas noches
[01:34] <LjL> soulrider: no, you have to make it later. "sudo adduser <username> <group>" will make <username> a member of group <group>
[01:34] <soulrider> buenas
[01:34] <soulrider> !es
[01:34] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:34] <LjL> soulrider: which specifically, means you type "sudo adduser <username> admin"
[01:34] <soulrider> but thats hte admin usergroup, admin ?
[01:34] <soulrider> great
[01:34] <soulrider> what about the password?
[01:35] <LjL> soulrider: it will be asked by adduser
[01:35] <dan14> ubuntu_infidel: i do not see anything in dmesg for it to work
[01:35] <soulrider> cool, thanks
[01:35] <dan14> in this kernel it does not see the device
[01:36] <dan14> unix_infidel: i do not see anything in dmesg for it to work, this kernel seems not to recognise it
[01:36] <uksprout> Kr4t05: a lot of the packages are marked as lubuntu
[01:36] <soulrider> LjL: he gets an error that that user doesnt exist
[01:36] <unix_infidel> dan14: did you modprobe the drivers?
[01:36] <soulrider> i tried it
[01:36] <soulrider> and i get it too
[01:36] <LjL> soulrider: uh?
[01:36] <unix_infidel> i'm not sure which version you are using or which kernel.
[01:36] <dan14> unix: how do i do that? modprobe ipw?
[01:36] <soulrider> we both did
[01:37] <soulrider> sudo adduser alex admin
[01:37] <dan14> it is 2.6.18
[01:37] <soulrider> and we get an error saying alex doesnt exist
[01:37] <LjL> soulrider, *first* you need to type "sudo adduser <username>", and go through the questions. then *later* you type "sudo adduser <username> admin"
[01:37] <soulrider> ahhh
[01:37] <soulrider> thanks
[01:37] <Schalken> has anyone gotten apollon to work?
[01:37] <LjL> soulrider: it's the same command name, but the first syntax creates an user; the second syntax adds an existing user to a group
[01:38] <dan14> unix: modprobe has ipw, ipw2100, ipw2200 available
[01:40] <ahmeni> which package in apt contains the keyboard layouts?
[01:41] <dan14> unix_infidel: modprobe has ipw, ipw2100, and ipw2200 available
[01:41] <unix_infidel> dan14: like i said i have no idea what hardware you're using, which version of ubuntu, which kernel, etc etc.
[01:42] <dan14> unix_infidel: it is ipw3945 intel, 2.6.18 vanilla core, kubuntu 6.10
[01:42] <unix_infidel> dan14: apt-get install linux-restricted-modules
[01:43] <dan14> unix_infidel: will do
[01:43] <unix_infidel> then modprobe ipw3945; then iwconfig [interface name]  essid [Your ESSID Here] 
[01:43] <unix_infidel> then dhclient [interface name] 
[01:43] <unix_infidel> its really pretty straightforward :P
[01:43] <dan14> unix_infidel: for some reason it isnt finding that module
[01:44] <unix_infidel> dan14: you've got linux-restricted-modules installed?
[01:44] <dan14> unix_infidel: i agree, thats why im starting to like ubuntu much more than slackware
[01:44] <dan14> unix_infidel: i dont believe so
[01:44] <soulrider> LjL:  he gets login failed when trying to use his new user
[01:44] <unix_infidel> dan14: like i said follow my instructions EXACTly, install what i said, and perform the commands in $TERM (as root)
[01:44] <unix_infidel> or with sudo prefix
[01:45] <LjL> soulrider: uhm, that doesn't sound good you know. tried from the display manager, or from a console?
[01:45] <dan14> unix_infidel: i am typing: (as root) apt-get install linux-restricted-modules
[01:45] <soulrider> display managed
[01:45] <soulrider> i told him to restrt X
[01:45] <soulrider> and then relogin
[01:45] <unix_infidel> dan14: make sure you have the proper repos , to be honest, im' not sure where linux-restricted-modules is.
[01:46] <dan14> unix_infidel: i get the error: couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules
[01:46] <dan14> i will check what repos i am using
[01:46] <unix_infidel> I'm on windows currently :P
[01:46] <dan14> lol
[01:46] <dan14> do you remember where the repo file is?
[01:46] <dan14> i will just go and uncomment all of them
[01:47] <ahmeni> sweet!
[01:48] <ahmeni> i have no layouts because /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.lst points to a file that doesn't exist!
[01:56] <jackq> hmm, installed vlc plugin for firefox, but still cant view wmv's on websites
[01:59] <mefisto_> still trying to get my ati driver installed, it begins uncompressing the downloaded file, then stops with: "Extraction failed. Signal caught, cleaning up" Same error for two different versions of the driver file
[01:59] <Dr_willis> jackq,  a lot of wmv's can use codecs that vlc cant handle, or you dont have the codecs installed.. or you may want to try a downloader tool for firefox to download the video and play it outside of firefox.
[02:01] <mefisto_> jackq: I use the mozilla mplayer plugin, wmv files work fine in firefox for me
[02:01] <jackq> ah, ill give it a try thanks!
[02:05] <mefisto_> "Extraction failed. Signal caught, cleaning up" What is doing the extracting? Trying to understand what it is that is failing
[02:06] <Dr_willis> sounds like a currupted download/package file.
[02:08] <mefisto_> but the same error with two different downloads?
[02:08] <Hawkwind> Maybe the package is corrupted
[02:08] <BetaCookies> yay
[02:08] <BetaCookies> its burning ^_^
[02:09] <mefisto_> also, when it begins extracting, it does an archive integrity check, always passes
[02:09] <jackq> mplayer plugin works with firefox 2?
[02:10] <mefisto_> jackq: I have 1.5, don't know if it works for 2
[02:11] <jackq> ah
[02:11] <mefisto_> I think I used automatix to install it
[02:12] <jackq> what is automatix?
[02:12] <kawsy> Anyone know the answer to this?  I was using gnome with twinview and switched to kde. In gnome, screen redraws were really smooth but in kde, moving windows and everything is choppy.. 3d acceleration and video are fine though
[02:13] <Kr4t05> kawsy: KDE typically takes more robust hardware, it never seems noticale to most, but you could be a unique case.
[02:14] <LjL> !automatix | jackq
[02:14] <ubotu> jackq: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[02:14] <kawsy> hmm.. its a dual core amd with geforce 6800 pci-e.. I've used kde for years on much less
[02:15] <Kr4t05> kawsy: LOL, that shouldn't be a problem, then.
[02:15] <Kr4t05> Hrm...
[02:15] <kawsy> It's bizarre
[02:15] <jackq> oh, well i guess i'll just wait till mplayer comes to ff2
[02:15] <mefisto_> automatix is strongly discouraged?
[02:16] <Kr4t05> mefisto_: It breaks things.
[02:17] <Dr_willis> very very very strongly discouraged
[02:17] <mefisto_> OK, but I tried installing things without it and I break things. Then I reinstalled kubuntu and used automatix, no problems. I'm just surprised to hear it's discouraged
[02:17] <Dr_willis> im suprised you break things..
[02:18] <mefisto_> I don't know what I'm doing
[02:19] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. time to read and learn i guess. :)
[02:19] <mefisto_> read what?
[02:19] <Dr_willis> wiki/forums/guides
[02:19] <Dr_willis> apt docs. ect...
[02:19] <Dr_willis> depends on what/how you are breaking things.
[02:20] <mefisto_> yeah, that doesn't help me much. I get conflicting info
[02:20] <mefisto_> I might have to pick up one of those ubuntu books
[02:21] <Dr_willis> depends on what you are installing, figure out what you are breaking. :)  or cheat. Heh...
[02:21] <Homer> will KDE4 come bundled with Duke Nukem Forever?
[02:21] <Dr_willis> but in the long run its worth while to learn the basics/fundamentals and how to do things yourself.
[02:21] <Dr_willis> Homer,  comming out the day befor.
[02:21] <BetaCookies> Homer lolol
[02:27] <jackq> anyone know kpdf's directory?
[02:30] <gupta> deb http://repos.knio.it/ sarge main contrib - is this a correct repo for dapper?
[02:30] <gupta> It is supposed to be some kde-repo
[02:31] <Jucato> no
[02:31] <Jucato> sarge = Debian stable
[02:31] <gupta> another one is== deb http://repos.knio.it/ breezy main contrib
[02:31] <Jucato> breezy = release 5.10, 2 releases old
[02:32] <gupta> k
[02:32] <sgorilla78> what source do you need to add to get win32codecs
[02:32] <gupta> So any otehr kde-apps repo for dapper
[02:32] <Jucato> sgorilla78: you donwload it directly
[02:32] <sgorilla78> for mplayer
[02:32] <Jucato> !w32codecs
[02:32] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:32] <Dr_willis> i go to the mplayer homepage and download it.
[02:32] <Jucato> ah for mplayer?
[02:32] <Dr_willis> its for all the players. :)
[02:32] <Jucato> hehe :)
[02:33] <Jucato> sgorilla78: that RestrictedFormats link has instructions on how to donwload and install w32codecs
[02:34] <sgorilla78> Jucato: cool, thanks
[02:34] <sgorilla78> seems like ubuntu makes it easy to setup
[02:35] <charlie5> hulloo ... the last few weeks, when the adept auto-updater icon appears in my sys tray, and i click on it ... it d/l's the packages lists but then says there are no updates and  'goodbye' ... ?
[02:35] <charlie5> any idea what might cause this ?
[02:35] <sgorilla78> is totem supposed to be good
[02:35] <charlie5> ... or how to fix it ? ...  :)
[02:35] <sgorilla78> why is totem default instead of something like vlc or mplayer
[02:36] <Dr_willis> totem plays most everything for me.
[02:36] <Jucato> totem is the default on Ubuntu
[02:36] <Dr_willis> kaffine is kubuntu
[02:36] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:41] <Makro2> 24 hrs trying to do an bootable hard disk image from a partition
[02:42] <Makro2> this is so frustrating
[02:42] <Dr_willis>  interesting...
[02:48] <unix_infidel> Makro2: why not just use mondo / mini.
[02:48] <unix_infidel> :P
[02:48] <Dr_willis> mondo/mindi is handy
[02:48] <cecko> hello, could anybody help me with Konsole, please?
[02:49] <unix_infidel> cecko: sure, ask a more specific question.
[02:49] <Makro2> unix_infidel: mondo/mini?
[02:49] <Dr_willis> !info mondo
[02:49] <ubotu> mondo: powerful disaster recovery suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.08-2-2 (edgy), package size 391 kB, installed size 1128 kB
[02:49] <mefisto_> can someone help me understand what this error means: ati-driver-installer-8.29.6.run: ./ati-installer.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[02:50] <soulrider> !pastebin
[02:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:50] <Dr_willis> try 'bash whateverinstaller.sh'   you are runing it with sudo?
[02:50] <Dr_willis> I just use the repo packages to instal the ati drivers
[02:50] <cecko> unix_infidel: using Partimage (after I finally found that I have to run it in shell :) I can't figure out how to check/uncheck the options in it
[02:51] <mefisto_> Dr_willis: the repo versions don't work well for me. I'm trying to install the driver from ati.com
[02:51] <Makro2> can i make a bootable hard disk image from a partition with mondo?
[02:52] <Dr_willis> yes.. you can make a live cd/set that boots/restores
[02:52] <mefisto_> Dr_willis: do you have tvout working?
[02:52] <Dr_willis> mefisto_,  i was thinking that it worked with the repo veriions.
[02:52] <soulrider> !easysource
[02:52] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[02:57] <cecko> doesnt anybody know how to check the options in Partimage (or any other program running in the shell with that blue interface looking just like a DOS app)?
[02:57] <Makro2> i just wanna make an hd image from a partition with an older filesystem to boot it using qemu
[03:01] <Dr_willis> Makro2, Hmm.. can proiberly dd it to a file, but not sure what qemu can read.
[03:01] <Makro2> dr_willis: that the thing
[03:01] <Makro2> that`s
[03:01] <ghostshadow189> hi all , how can i add a new window decorations ?
[03:02] <Dr_willis> kde-look.org :)
[03:02] <Makro2> dr_willis: i know qemu can read raw files
[03:02] <mefisto_> ok, I've managed to get past my errors. I moved the installer from my windows partition to the kubuntu home directory. Was I getting errors because of permissions on the windows partition?
[03:04] <Dr_willis> moved what installer?
[03:05] <ghostshadow189> Dr_willis , i downloaded a window decorations file , but in this .tar file there all of .png file , so where should i extract them ?
[03:05] <nyt> gud morning
[03:06] <nyt> it's morning here : 10 am
[03:06] <nyt> dr willis where you from ?
[03:06] <Dr_willis> Indiana - its 9:00pm here
[03:07] <nyt> whew!
[03:07] <nyt> ok!
[03:07] <nyt> i'm from phil ;)
[03:07] <paulw> marengo, IN here.
[03:07] <nyt> do you watch pacquiao- morales match
[03:07] <Dr_willis> ghostshadow189,  many themes for window decorations are compiled/installed. then theres special theme data files for specific themeable themes. :)
[03:07] <nyt> ?
[03:08] <Dr_willis> nyt,  no clue what that even is/was heh...
[03:08] <Jucato> yeah. we won! :)
[03:08] <Dr_willis> that was a Chess Match right?
[03:08] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:08] <Jucato> lol
[03:09] <ghostshadow189> dr_willis , i found that style has folder /usr/share.........../kstyle , or theme manager is kthememanager , so wat folder of window decoration ?
[03:09] <nyt> no it's  boxing match
[03:09] <nyt> =))
[03:09] <nyt> :-)
[03:09] <nyt> :D
[03:09] <nyt> i have a question
[03:09] <nyt> a ms access file
[03:09] <Dr_willis> ghostshadow189,  they get compiled go someplace..  if theres no source to compile.. id advise reading on the  themes homepage/docs
[03:10] <nyt> i transfer it to open office database :(
[03:10] <nyt> i want it to open in open office databasse
[03:10] <nyt> but
[03:10] <nyt> i can't  see my file :((
[03:10] <nyt> what will i do ?
[03:11] <cchris> anybody home
[03:11] <Dr_willis> Mooo!
[03:11] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:11] <cchris> so what is this place about
[03:12] <cchris> I just clicked on konversation
[03:12] <Dr_willis> Kubuntu support...
[03:12] <Dr_willis> heh
[03:12] <cchris> and here I am
[03:12] <cchris> great
[03:12] <nyt> i have a question
[03:12] <nyt> a ms access file
[03:12] <cchris> yes
[03:12] <nyt> i transfer it to open office database :(
[03:12] <nyt> i want it to open in open office databasse
[03:12] <nyt> i can't  see my file :((
[03:13] <cchris> how do you configure samba
[03:13] <nyt> what will i do ?
[03:13] <cchris> between kubuntu and win98
[03:13] <Darko> can some one tell me how to modify xorg.conf
[03:13] <Dr_willis> sudo editoryoulike /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:13] <Dr_willis> Backup the original first....
[03:14] <Darko> how to backup ?
[03:14] <ReporterX> hi all!
[03:14] <Dr_willis> cp command..
[03:14] <Darko> sorry i am a newbie
[03:14] <Dr_willis> if you dont know the basics of the shell... you may want to research that befor editing the xorg.conf
[03:14] <ReporterX> i would like to disable the anti-aliasing efect on gtk fonts. This is possible on kubuntu
[03:14] <ReporterX> ?
[03:14] <Darko> i know what to put in
[03:15] <cchris> so has anyone had any luck with samba
[03:15] <cchris> connecting to win98
[03:15] <Dr_willis> cchris,  never had any issues with it.
[03:15] <cecko> talking about support: how can I please tick the boxes in the blue DOSish program running in Konsole?
[03:15] <Darko> i have ati card with frxgl
[03:15] <cchris> then something is wrong on my end
[03:15] <Dr_willis> the use of encrypted/non encrypted passwords can be an issue with samba and some versions of windows
[03:15] <cchris> hmmm
[03:16] <Dr_willis> you are trying to see win98 shares?
[03:16] <Dr_willis> or get win98 to see linux shares?
[03:16] <cchris> yep
[03:16] <cecko> [X]  Check partition before saving
[03:16] <cchris> the network works perfectly
[03:16] <cchris> with winxp and win98
[03:16] <cecko> [ ]  Check partition before saving   <--- I can't get it into this state!
[03:17] <cchris> no I am trying to access win from linux
[03:17] <cchris> the scan shows diddly
[03:17] <Dr_willis> could try out the smbfuse fileystem stuff, or smb4k or some other samba browsers.
[03:17] <cecko> ( ) Bzip2 (.bz2: very slow + very small image file)  --(?)-->  (X) Bzip2 (.bz2: very slow + very small image file)    How do I do it, please???
[03:17] <Dr_willis> or try mountign the shares directly
[03:17] <cchris> i tried the smb4k
[03:18] <cchris> maybe the smbfuse
[03:18] <cchris> thanks
[03:18] <Dr_willis> smb4k works nicely for me. :)
[03:18] <cchris> It has for me too in the past
[03:19] <cchris> the win98 machine dual boots to xubuntu
[03:19] <Dr_willis> i dont even have a win98 machine to test :)
[03:19] <cchris> hehe
[03:19] <Dr_willis> youve had  linux->win98 working befor>?
[03:19] <cchris> no
[03:20] <cchris> linux and xp
[03:20] <cchris> both machines dual boot
[03:20] <Dr_willis> may want to check the samba config then and  try the encrypted password settings.
[03:20] <Dr_willis> or set up a public share on the win98 box with no password.
[03:20] <Dr_willis> see if that works.
[03:20] <Dr_willis>  then you know if its a password issue IF it works.
[03:20] <cchris> the win 98 doesn't have a password
[03:20] <ReporterX> it's possible to disable anti-aliasing efect on gtp applications fonts ?
[03:20] <Dr_willis> You may want to make one for it then.
[03:21] <Dr_willis> i seem to recall having to do little tricks to get win98 working right that way
[03:21] <cchris> will that help
[03:21] <drbreen> lol win98 is worse than no operating system
[03:21] <Dr_willis> I always made a user, and password )then had tweakui auto login
[03:21] <ReporterX> gtp = gtk
[03:21] <cchris> winxp ain't so swell either
[03:21] <Dr_willis> ReporterX,  you want to disalble AA  Just for gtk apps and keep it for KDE apps?
[03:22] <Motorhead> hai
[03:22] <Dr_willis> keh!
[03:22] <cchris> where would I find the encrypted password
[03:22] <Dr_willis> they say Keh a lot.
[03:22] <ReporterX> yes... it's possible ?
[03:23] <Dr_willis> its a samba config file setting to use them or to not use them. IF you got no user/password on the win98 box.. not sure why it would even matter.
[03:23] <Dr_willis> ReporterX,  i cant think of any reson to  even  do that. :)  heh..  could set the gnome-theme stuff to disable it.. that may disable it for gnome apps.
[03:24] <cchris> will Kubuntu install on a pentium 2 350 mhz
[03:24] <drbreen> cchris: ram ?
[03:24] <cchris> 250
[03:25] <Dr_willis> ive installed on a Pent I - 100, wth 32mb of ram...
[03:25] <cchris> cool
[03:25] <Dr_willis> took forever.. :) but it ran. I just used the console however.
[03:25] <drbreen> and kde ?
[03:25] <Dr_willis> a littel SSH box.
[03:25] <ReporterX> Dr_willies: ok... i'm using tahoma 8 font on my desktop, and this font best view is with anti-aliasing off.
[03:25] <drbreen> what does kde feels like with only 32 mb ram ?
[03:25] <Dr_willis> a light weight window manager would be best.
[03:25] <drbreen> swapswapswapswapswap ?
[03:25] <cchris> I am thinking about going to linux entirely
[03:26] <cchris> i need to get everyone acclimated
[03:26] <cchris> first
[03:26] <Dr_willis> for that small of a machine. you may want to set it up as a X client/Xterminal to just display a X session on another bigger machine
[03:26] <drbreen> cchris tried xubuntu already ?
[03:26] <cchris> yep
[03:26] <drbreen> and ?
[03:26] <cchris> it works ok
[03:26] <drbreen> why not use xubuntu ?
[03:26] <cchris> I could
[03:27] <Motorhead> xubuntu?
[03:27] <drbreen> kde is too bloated for >8 year old devices
[03:27] <cchris> but I thought I could try kubuntu
[03:27] <cchris> oh
[03:27] <drbreen> motorhead: xubuntu =ubuntu w/o gnome but with xfce4
[03:27] <cchris> darn
[03:27] <Motorhead> ohh, thnx
[03:27] <drbreen> cchris: i assume it would run, though
[03:27] <cchris> yes
[03:27] <cchris> I might try
[03:27] <drbreen> cchris: but i don't know .....
[03:27] <Motorhead> i've only tried ubuntu & kubuntu... i could say ubuntu is my favorite :P
[03:27] <cchris> nothing to lose
[03:28] <drbreen> cchris: i have tried with slackware 10 and kde on 350mhz 64mb ram
[03:28] <cchris> I tried xubuntu and ended up downloading alot of stuff
[03:28] <drbreen> you have 250 mb ram ?
[03:28] <cchris> yes
[03:29] <drbreen> i did not read that
[03:29] <cchris> could buy more if needed
[03:29] <drbreen> that changes a lot
[03:29] <paulw> cchris: you might want to look at DSL
[03:29] <cchris> why
[03:29] <drbreen> cause kde is memory hungry
[03:29] <drbreen> like gnome
[03:29] <drbreen> that slows things down
[03:30] <drbreen> with 128 mb my laptop (800mhz) is barely usable under kde or gnome
[03:30] <drbreen> with 256 mb, it's all nice and fun
[03:30] <cchris> I suppose if I use the live cd I could get an idea
[03:30] <Jucato> xfce, fluxbox, dsl, etc
[03:30] <cchris> about how it would run
[03:30] <drbreen> cchris: i suppose that will take foeever ;)
[03:30] <cchris> what is dsl
[03:30] <drbreen> !dsl
[03:30] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[03:30] <drbreen> lol
[03:31] <drbreen> dsl == damn small linux
[03:31] <paulw> damnsmalllinux
[03:31] <nyt> brb
[03:31] <drbreen> but when you say xubuntu made you download stuff, dont try dsl
[03:31] <drbreen> its only 50mb !
[03:31] <cchris> oh
[03:31] <cchris> I have that too
[03:32] <cchris> that was the first one I tried
[03:32] <cchris> tried fedora 5 but not on the pent2
[03:32] <paulw> well on a limited machine you can't expect full blown apps
[03:33] <cchris> I will lower my expectations
[03:33] <paulw> :)
[03:33] <cchris> thanks for the link
[03:34] <cchris> I will save that
[03:35] <cchris> I wandered around to several os until I found out I needed a different modem
[03:36] <cchris> so any of them would of worked
[03:36] <cchris> are there any other sites for Konversation
[03:39] <Dr_willis> puppylinux is very nice for a little mini linux install
[03:40] <cchris> never heard of  that one
[03:41] <cchris> just found the channel list
[03:41] <cchris> help files you gotta love them
[03:41] <Dr_willis> Puppy is about 80mb live cd..
[03:41] <campbch> hmm...
[03:41] <cchris> I can easily run the xubuntu if I have to
[03:42] <cchris> but will reach for the kubuntu
[03:42] <cchris> my wings might melt
[03:42] <cchris> but what a ride
[03:42] <campbch> just curious... in kdevelop, is there a reason it would give me inconsistent new project lists? it seems to change to a more limited list periodically... i don't remember enough to say exactly what's missing, but i havent done anything besides open, close, and compile projects
[03:42] <Dr_willis> you can always install the xubuntu-desktop and run it after installing kubuntu
[03:43] <Makro2> ooopssss
[03:43] <cchris> good idea
[03:43] <Makro2> close to the edge
[03:43] <campbch> also, the project folder changes structure, and it's not making any sense? :(
[03:43] <cchris> thanks for your input
[03:43] <Agent_bob> Question; howto play dvd's in vlc ?
[03:43] <cchris> Just what I needed
[03:43] <Makro2> the filesystem is up, xwindows doesn`t start, it seems some problem related with the video config
[03:44] <cchris> bye
[03:44] <Dr_willis> !dvd
[03:44] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:45] <campbch> does anyone know?
[03:45] <Agent_bob> Dr_willis: so dvd's require this ?
[03:45] <Dr_willis> Agent_bob,  unless they are unencrypted. :)
[03:45] <Dr_willis> vlc may or may not need it.. not sure
[03:45] <Agent_bob> ok.
[03:45] <Agent_bob> i'll have a read.
[03:46] <Makro2> ahm...what were the command for to reconfigure xfree86??
[03:46] <Dr_willis> !fixres
[03:46] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
 ahm...what were the command for to reconfigure xfree86??  <--- if you have Xfree86 you might try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-xserver  or what ever the name of that package is.
[03:50] <archangel_> how can I reformat a hard drive with a linux cd to a fat32 format?
[03:51] <archangel_> anyone
[03:51] <Agent_bob> mkfs.vfat /dev/'address'
[03:51] <Dr_willis> fdisk it.. delete the partitions. remake them as fat32, mkfs.vfat  on it
[03:52] <archangel_> from where do I do that?
[03:53] <archangel_> oh nevermind, duh
[03:53] <Agent_bob> cli       and   changing the label may be advisable but is probably not a requirement.
[03:53] <Hawkwind> From a terminal of course
[03:53] <archangel_> konsol
[03:53] <archangel_> lol
[03:53] <archangel_> void that last Q
[03:59] <Makro2> well, i got the filesystem running but only in text mode
[03:59] <Dr_willis> file system running? :)
[03:59] <Makro2> yep :)
[03:59] <Makro2> now i need to make x windows run
[04:00] <Makro2> but this is enough for today
[04:00] <archangel_> I selected in fdisk to delete a partition, but then it tells me that a  partition has not been selected. However I gave the address
[04:00] <Makro2> now i can rest...hehe
[04:00] <Dr_willis> which fdisk program are you using?
[04:00] <archangel_> I just typed fdisk in the terminal
[04:01] <archangel_> so I'm not sure
[04:01] <Dr_willis> could use a live cd with gparted/qtparted it can do all the work with a ncie gui.
[04:01] <Makro2> dr_willis: in fact qemu can handle partitions, is not really necessary to make images
[04:01] <Dr_willis> Makro2,  yep.. but i perfer vmware. :)
[04:01] <Dr_willis> i just use the tools to test out live cd's mainly
[04:01] <archangel_> I'm doing this for my bro-in law
[04:01] <Makro2> took me some hours to understand qemu internal working
[04:01] <Makro2> vmware is for linux?
[04:01] <Dr_willis> of course.
[04:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:02] <Makro2> mmm interesting
[04:02] <archangel_> he want windows put back on it
[04:02] <Makro2> not me
[04:02] <Dr_willis> fdisk the drive.. delte all the partitions... then boot the windows cd and let it partition/format the drives..
[04:02] <archangel_> (compatibility issues with college)
[04:03] <Dr_willis> or use the windows cd and its little rescue/whatever mode and its fdisk.
[04:03] <Dr_willis> you jhave just the 1 hard drive?
[04:03] <archangel_> well I used windows fdisk before and it could not delete linux partitions
[04:04] <archangel_> but I have not used the newer version in xp
[04:04] <Dr_willis> sould be able to. ive done it befor.
[04:04] <archangel_> (I was using a win98 startup disk)
[04:04] <Dr_willis> or just use a live cd or whatever and fdisk /dev/hda   then d to delete, (enter #) delet the rest.. then 'w'rite the changes.
[04:04] <archangel_> so it was rather dated
[04:04] <Dr_willis> Linux's fdisk is different commands/layout then windows's :)
[04:05] <archangel_> yeah I tried that and it told me that a partition was not selected
[04:05] <archangel_> but I have it the address
[04:05] <Dr_willis> fdisk /dev/hda
[04:05] <Dr_willis> be sure to run it as root. :)
[04:05] <archangel_> I didnt understand that, uless I gave the wrong add.
[04:05] <Dr_willis> hda - is the drive :)
[04:05] <archangel_> yeah
[04:06] <archangel_> i'll try again
[04:07] <archangel_> arrgggg
[04:07] <archangel_> trying windows xp cd
[04:08] <man4> arghhh WinXP
[04:08] <man4> nothung but hassle
[04:08] <Makro2> display modes....old tricks...
[04:08] <Dr_willis> linux's fdisk is so much nicer then windows' version. :)
[04:08] <man4> er nothing
[04:08] <Dr_willis> heck ya could just 'dd' the drive and whipe it out.. then do the isntaller
[04:08] <Dr_willis> actually i though the xp installer could delte/whipe the drive
[04:09] <archangel_> couldnt get annywhere withh fdisk in linux
[04:09] <Dr_willis> learn to use it. :)
[04:09] <archangel_> I guess I'm too used to the windows version
[04:09] <Dr_willis> or use the other fdisk alternatives
[04:10] <Dr_willis> fdisk /dev/hda
[04:10] <Dr_willis> d (for delete)
[04:10] <Dr_willis> enter # to delete
[04:10] <intelikey> cfdisk
[04:10] <archangel_> it would let use that command either
[04:10] <Dr_willis> w to writhg changes to disk...
[04:10] <intelikey> :)
[04:10] <Dr_willis> Done. :)
[04:10] <archangel_> I mean wouldnt
[04:10] <Dr_willis> you need to run the commands as root user of course.
[04:11] <archangel_> it kept telling me that no partitions were defind or selected
[04:11] <archangel_> but I have the address
[04:11] <archangel_> so I dont know
[04:11] <Dr_willis> do  sudo fdisk -l
[04:11] <Dr_willis> and see
[04:11] <Dr_willis> i have NO clue what you mean by 'address'
[04:12] <archangel_> sorry, windows term
[04:12] <intelikey> sudo cfdisk /dev/hda
[04:12] <archangel_> windows  format c: /s              linux fdisk dev/hda  or something like that
[04:13] <Dr_willis> format is not the same as fdisk....
[04:13] <sj061> #ubuntu
[04:13] <intelikey> windows fdisk
[04:13] <Dr_willis> you fdisk the drives to make the partitions/filesystems.. THEN you use format on the  made partitions
[04:13] <LjL> "format" = "mkfs"
[04:13] <LjL> "fdisk" = ... well, "fdisk"
[04:13] <Dr_willis> if installing windows - you just need to delete the partitions.. let the windows installer 'create/format' the partitions.
[04:15] <archangel_> ok going to try again with linux, it booting now on the live cd
[04:21] <archangel_> ok its up and running
[04:22] <archangel_> linux live cd and konsol is up
[04:22] <archangel_> I type fdisk
[04:22] <compilerwriter> anyone know how to share a printer that is connected to an XP machine?
[04:23] <intelikey> !printer
[04:23] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[04:23] <intelikey>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
 "fdisk" = ... well, "fdisk"  <--- actually no.  windows 'fdisk' ~= linux 'cfdisk'
[04:26] <compilerwriter> Ok anyone know how to do it when the printer is connected to the XP machine?
[04:26] <Dr_willis> windows fdisk = brain dead  program with an idiotic interface. :)
[04:26] <Dr_willis> linux fdisk = makes sence.
[04:26] <Martijn81> just curious, anyone has a laptop in mind when you think about a ultimate Linux laptop?
[04:26] <Dr_willis> 'hit escape to continue'......
[04:26] <Dr_willis> Martijn81,  theres several Linux Laptop  'sites'/stores out.  depends on your budget.
[04:27] <Dr_willis> The ThinkPads i hear are very good.
[04:27] <Dr_willis> i got a little compaq/turion thats not bad for the $$
[04:27] <intelikey> Dr_willis still more like cfdisk than fdisk
[04:27] <archangel_> ok cfdisk
[04:28] <archangel_> tells me that I do not have no permission to write
[04:28] <archangel_> how do I get permission on a live cd
[04:28] <intelikey> !sudo
[04:28] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:28] <Dr_willis> run them as root...  for the 100 times...
[04:28] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:28] <intelikey> archangel_ go read > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[04:28] <archangel_> that is my question.... how????     lol
[04:29] <intelikey> archangel_ go read > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[04:29] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu basics. :)
[04:29] <Martijn81> Dr_willis: hmm, these IBM thinkpads sure are looking techie yes:)
[04:29] <archangel_> so I type sudo cfdisk?
[04:30] <intelikey> archangel_ if it's hda then yes.
[04:30] <intelikey> if not then   sudo cfdisk /dev/sda    or what ever it is.     (it being the hard drive.)
[04:31] <archangel_> its hda  (main drive)
[04:32] <Martijn81> Dr_willis: but, windowstax :(
[04:32] <archangel_> how do be root on a live cd?
[04:32] <Dr_willis> sudo -s
[04:32] <archangel_> ahh ok
[04:32] <intelikey> archangel_ go read > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[04:32] <intelikey> archangel_ go read > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[04:33] <Dr_willis> heh - that url is getting a work out today.
[04:33] <intelikey> it'll get more if he asks that again.
[04:34] <Dr_willis> and he will leran to LIKE it!
[04:34] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:34] <archangel_> intelikey: sorry dude it wont let me talk to you in chat
[04:34] <intelikey> shhh don't tell him.
[04:35] <Dr_willis> Lerned
[04:35] <Dr_willis> :P learned
[04:35] <intelikey> Jucato where you been hiding ?
[04:35] <Jucato> ah
[04:35] <Jucato> I've been hiding behind you. that's why you couldn't see me :P
[04:36] <intelikey> "get thee behind me ...."   lol
[04:36] <Jucato> hehe
[04:39] <Dr_willis> Hmm... trying to get Kaffine to do 'save screenshots' but not ask for a file name.. just save them to screen1.jpg screen2.jpg and so on...
[04:39] <archangel_> being in root still doesnt give me the permission on the live cd
[04:39] <archangel_> I'm going to throw the laptop out the window
[04:39] <archangel_> brb
[04:39] <intelikey> that's probably because it's not hda
[04:39] <archangel_> lol
[04:39] <archangel_> you think?
[04:39] <archangel_> but its the main drive
[04:40] <Dr_willis> sudo fdisk -l
[04:40] <Dr_willis> and See what drives are shown
[04:40] <archangel_> I thought the main drive was always hda
[04:40] <intelikey> sudo fdisk -l      should tell you.
[04:40] <archangel_> ok
[04:40] <intelikey> nope main drive is always what ever device it is....
[04:41] <intelikey> this is not windows   there is no  " C: is always your hdd "     rule      in fact one might equate C: to /   rather than any device node.
[04:41] <archangel_> haa haaaaa
[04:42] <archangel_> ok gotcha
[04:42] <Dr_willis> i managed to install windows to H: one day.. had no C: drive
[04:42] <intelikey> Dr_willis compressed hd ?
[04:42] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  usb media reader and XP being an IDIOT....
[04:43] <archangel_> its hdc
[04:43] <Dr_willis> 12 in 1 reader.. so windows made them D: E: F: ect....
[04:43] <Secret> !
[04:43] <jackq> command to umount hda1?
[04:43] <intelikey> ah Dr_willis makes sense.
[04:43] <intelikey> yes jackq
[04:43] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  not really. :)
[04:44] <archangel_> hey I have a media reader laying around, will it work with linux?
[04:44] <jackq> erm, what would i time in cli to umount hda1 ?
[04:44] <jackq> type*
[04:44] <intelikey> actually it does   it was reserving C: for the hd  like a good little M$ should
[04:44] <intelikey> jackq  yes type that
[04:44] <Dr_willis> it dident reserve it.. i misstyped...
[04:44] <Dr_willis> C: was also on the media reader.
[04:44] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:45] <jackq> its just, "umount hda1" ?
[04:45] <Secret_Squirrel> or sudo umount hda1
[04:45] <intelikey> jackq  yes    sudo  will be needed if you are not root.
[04:45] <jackq> ahh ok
[04:46] <jackq> thanks :)
[04:46] <intelikey> actually   if you want to be sure   sudo umount /dev/hda1
[04:46] <archangel_> its done
[04:46] <Lam_> what does browseable, public, and available mean (samba)?
[04:46] <Secret_Squirrel> <---  is in the process of  converting home PC's to Ubuntu.  No more MonkeySoft!  ;)
[04:46] <archangel_> getting readt to format with win xp cd now
[04:48] <intelikey> Secret_Squirrel they are still 'PCs' just not  MonkeySoft  PC's     opensource PC's  :)
[04:48] <intelikey> PC is the i86 familey of hardware
[04:49] <flaccid> how to disable UTC time support due to dual-booting with a non-UTC os (windows) ?
[04:49] <intelikey> tzconfig
[04:50] <bLaZeD> !uuid
[04:50] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid" (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[04:50] <flaccid> intelikey: do i just run it?
[04:50] <intelikey> flaccid yeah  but that may not do what you asked.
[04:50] <intelikey> try it.
[04:50] <flaccid> how do i know if it did it?
[04:51] <intelikey> if the clock changes ?
[04:51] <flaccid> well no the clock didn't change. i just said no to changing time zone. so i doubt this does it
[04:52] <intelikey> date -u
[04:52] <intelikey> that should display the correct utc time
[04:53] <flaccid> i want to disable use of UTC not display it
[04:54] <archangel_> dude I am so confused now. I rebooted the laptop (after deleting the main partition and the swap) and having the xp disk in the drive... 1) does not boot to the xp cd, 2) boots up to linux (I thought I just smoked the partitions)
[04:55] <intelikey> flaccid i can't test tzconfig i don't have any zoneinfo installed.
[04:57] <Dr_willis>  archangel_  you did do the 'w' to WRITE changes to the disk?
[04:57] <Dr_willis> archangel_,  if you delete them with d, then quit.. they dont get deleted.
[04:58] <flaccid> apparently there is a file to edit
[04:58] <archangel_> oops
[04:58] <archangel_> I guess I went to fast
[04:58] <Dr_willis> i mentioned write several times earlier. :)
[04:58] <Dr_willis> lol
[04:58] <Dr_willis> thats a big way that dos vs linux fdisk differes.. and linux's makes more sence.
[04:59] <thill2708> anyone here program in qt?
[05:00] <thill2708> er, with qt?
[05:00] <archangel_> yeah sorry Dr_willis
[05:01] <Jucato> #qt
[05:01] <archangel_> Dr_willis: I am in my pc room and running in out out cause my wife cant let me do my work in peace
[05:01] <Dr_willis> archangel_,  thats the story of my life.....
[05:01] <archangel_> Dr_willis: gotta do this and that.... yatta yatta
[05:01] <intelikey> flaccid files /etc/zoneinfo and /etc/adjtime may be relevently interesting
[05:02] <Dr_willis> Go give her a good Sexor..... tell her its a perscription from the "Dr of Love"
[05:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:02] <archangel_> Dr_willis: I just hope she doesnt notice that line
[05:02] <Dr_willis> 'calls me upstairs to talk... then shes on the phone.....'
[05:02] <Jucato> lol
[05:02] <archangel_> Dr_willis: lol
[05:03] <archangel_> yeah, we have a rape apointment tonight
[05:03] <archangel_> hehe
[05:03] <Dr_willis> if it only takes 2 min... can it even be called that...
[05:04] <Dr_willis> 'You done yet?!'
[05:04] <Dr_willis> 'now go take out the trash.....'
[05:04] <intelikey> !language
[05:04] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:04] <Dr_willis> 'gee honey, can we at least turn off the weather report on tv' ...........
[05:04] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:06] <johey> Anyone know how to use Umbrello for designing database relationship diagrams (ER)?
[05:06] <archangel_> lol
[05:07] <archangel_> sorry about the mental images everyone
[05:10] <intelikey> Warning: the string include-menu-defs did not occur in template file /etc/X11/twm//system.twmrc-menu
[05:10] <intelikey> dappers twm is buggy i think
[05:11] <Dr_willis> typo?
[05:11] <Dr_willis> or does the file exist?
[05:11] <intelikey> file exists
[05:12] <intelikey> i'v also had trubble with the twm menu being blank.
[05:12] <intelikey> i wrote my own, but that's not the way it's supposed to work.
[05:12] <Dr_willis> i perfer wmx  for a uber-light window manager. :)
[05:13] <intelikey> does it do [alt]  click   cycling through windows ?
[05:13] <Dr_willis> never noticed
[05:14] <Dr_willis> it has a weird way ot changing desktops/windows. :P
[05:14] <intelikey> i'll give it a looking over.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> its old.. but very minimal. looks ok.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> i recall having to set some variable/./confogure optionm to get it to compile right.
[05:15] <ironfroggy> any idea why kaffeine would stop working suddenly with error "All Audio drivers failed to initialize"?
[05:16] <intelikey> wonder what package burped this one out?   install-info(/usr/share/info/automake-1.4.info): read < /usr/share/info/automake-1.4.info: No such file or directory
[05:17] <blacknine> hey people
[05:18] <intelikey> oh oh ! there are people here !!!   and me with no cloths on....

[05:21] <blacknine> i cant change my screen resolution
[05:21] <intelikey> !fixrez
[05:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixrez - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:21] <intelikey> !fixres
[05:21] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:21] <ironfroggy> reboot didnt help. what audio drivers does kaffeine need that its failing to load or where can i get more information about the problem?
[05:21] <Admiral_Chicago> how do I set lock a package
[05:22] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't want to update gaim but APT keeps trying to update it
[05:22] <intelikey> deslect
[05:23] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: apt-get deslect gaim?
[05:23] <ironfroggy> im not even able to configure xine from kaffeine because even that gives me the audio driver error.
[05:23] <intelikey> no dselsct is an app    but i'm not sure it does that
[05:24] <intelikey> dselect     < iisc
[05:24] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: i'll do am an lookup
[05:26] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago dpkg hold packagename    maybe.
[05:26] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: i think that was it
[05:26] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago adept should have a feture
[05:26] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: i looked in adept, i didn't see it
[05:26] <ironfroggy> how can i configure xine?
[05:26] <Admiral_Chicago> i know how to do it in synaptic
[05:26] <intelikey> it still "should" have....
[05:27] <Dr_willis> use the menus it has. :)
[05:27] <intelikey> No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.
[05:27] <intelikey> install-info(/usr/share/info/automake-1.4.info): unable to determine description for `dir' entry - giving up
[05:28] <ironfroggy> that is, how can i configure it besides the GUI for configuring it (which is broken)
[05:28] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo aptitude hold gaim
[05:29] <Admiral_Chicago> no that didn't work
[05:29] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm whatever i don't need all the other stuff it wants to install
[05:29] <intelikey> sudo aptitude    then select it and mark it for hold
[05:30] <intelikey> if you can stand the interface that is aptitude
[05:30] <Parkotron> Does anyone here have experience ripping DVDs with K3B?
[05:30] <Dr_willis> yea - ya think there would of been some work done on it
[05:31] <Dr_willis> I dident even realize k3b could rip dvd/cds
[05:31] <Dr_willis> i just use it to burn cd/dvds
[05:31] <Parkotron> It's a new feature in the 1.0 previews. But I can't get it working.
[05:32] <intelikey> !dvd
[05:32] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:32] <intelikey> !k3b
[05:32] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[05:32] <Dr_willis>  feature-rich and user-friendly  and cured my dogs prostate problem!
[05:34] <Admiral_Chicago> done
[05:34] <Admiral_Chicago> agt aptitude is hard do use
[05:34] <intelikey> if h2o is on the inside of a fire hydrant,  what is on the out side ?
[05:35] <intelikey> k9p
[05:35] <Admiral_Chicago> ha that took a while to get
[05:36] <intelikey> ;/
[05:36] <Dr_willis> M00F!
[05:36] <Dr_willis> Wuuf!
[05:39] <intelikey> !paste
[05:39] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:39] <Dr_willis> !glue
[05:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glue - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:40] <intelikey> heh why would i need any of these groups ?   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32884/plain/
[05:41] <intelikey> specally irc ?
[05:41] <intelikey> i like just having four groups in my /etc/groups file
[05:42] <Dr_willis> its magic voodoo!
[05:42] <Dr_willis> touch it and it will go boom!
[05:43] <intelikey> what's the command to exit a perl script    is it exit ?
[05:44] <Dr_willis> i think so.. or quit
[05:44] <intelikey> like a shell script   exit 0    ?
[05:44] <intelikey> i'll try it.
[05:44] <Dr_willis> i belive so. :) make a 3 line perl script and see.
[05:45] <intelikey> i'm adding that to the second line of install-info so it will stop erroring out on a   dpkg-reconfigure -a
[05:46] <Dr_willis> you leet haxor!
[05:46] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:46] <intelikey> lol
[05:46] <Nuked> ok xubuntu and beryl = ?
[05:47] <intelikey> i'm not l337 Dr_willis   you know that.
[05:47] <Dr_willis> Im too sexy for my OS...
[05:47] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:49] <Dr_willis> 24 min show.. first 4 min are title/intro/summary,   last 3 min are outro/credits...
[05:49] <Dr_willis> no wonder theres 160+ eps.
[05:49] <intelikey> hehhe
[05:49] <seishinbyou> purple cheese rainbow goat.  I mean good afternoon
[05:51] <intelikey> seishinbyou and a grey laxitave to you
[05:53] <seishinbyou> intelikey: Every time I see the word "grey", I think the elepant from Denmark thing, and how easy it is to avoid that if you know the other country that starts with D
[05:55] <intelikey> Read error: 387 syntax misspelled
[05:57] <intelikey> Dr_willis it is exit   but don't ever forget that all perl lines end with ;
[05:57] <Dr_willis> heh
[05:57] <Dr_willis> well most all. :)
[05:57] <intelikey> i put  exit 0    and it errored out....
[05:57] <intelikey> exit 0; works
[06:01] <intelikey> well update-alternatives and update-rc.d  anyway.
[06:03] <intelikey> i do think i have one system around here with all scripts removed..... it's a binary or else boxen
[06:04] <intelikey> ya know i think i do some really wierd things to a linux box......
[06:04] <Dr_willis> You pervert.
[06:04] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:05] <Dr_willis> alt.binary.linux.erotica.fetish
[06:11] <intelikey> i guess this means it errored out again... chgrp: cannot access `/var/spool/cron/crontabs': No such file or directory
[06:12] <intelikey> that's almost enough to make me remove dpkg and forget it....
[06:12] <intelikey> i may just do that.   dpkg -P dpkg ....
[06:12] <intelikey> err dpkg -P --force-all dpkg
[06:14] <intelikey> or better yet rm /usr/bin/dpkg /var/lib/dpkg -R
[06:18] <nickv111> Hey, all. I just installed mythtv and mysql and all on my desktop computer. Everything works, and I can watch TV, record it, and the like. However, I'm trying to set it up so that another computer can watch TV, too, and that's becoming a mess. First of all, mysql -u mythtv -p -h 192.168.1.12 (my backend's IP) doesn't work, though mysql -u mythtv -p -h localhost works on my backend. I uncommented a line in my.cnf that bound it to
[06:18] <nickv111> 127.0.0.1, restarted the mysql server, and I get the same problem. My remote machine cannot connect to my backend using mysql, so that's my initial problem
[06:18] <nickv111> Hmm. What happened there. . .
[06:20] <LeeJunFan> nickv111: when you grant permissions like grant all on mythtv.* to user@'localhost' it will only allow them to come from localhost, you also probably need to grand with user@'192.168.1.12, or just make sure mythtv is set to connect via localhost.
[06:21] <nickv111> Ah, that worked
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> nickv111: is a remote machine trying to connect to your mysql database?
[06:21] <nickv111> LeeJunFan: Thanks
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> np.
[06:22] <ken> How do I adjust KDE sounds?
[06:22] <Dr_willis> the system settings/control panel has a place for it..
[06:22] <Dr_willis> what ya wanting to 'adjust' ?
[06:23] <LeeJunFan> ken: system settings, notifications to change sound events.
[06:23] <ken> LeeJunFan: where is system settings?
[06:24] <LeeJunFan> ken, in the main kmenu
[06:25] <ken> duh
[06:35] <seishinbyou> Noooo, I missed my chance.  Someone got Fedora Linux running on the PS3
[06:36] <Jucato> oh?
[06:36] <seishinbyou> Jucato> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZXcuhJkwx4
[06:39] <Jucato> seishinbyou: that's nice. but aside from saying "wow! FC runs on PS3", what does it all mean?
[06:39] <seishinbyou> Well, 50,000 yen for a cheap development platform isn't bad
[06:39] <Jucato> (and how do you do keyboard input?)
[06:39] <seishinbyou> USB
[06:40] <Jucato> ah
[06:41] <Jucato> so it's possible to run FC (or probably any Linux distro) on PS3...then what? I just don't understand it.. :(
[06:41] <seishinbyou> Price of PS3 which can run Linux and act as a cheap development machine is cheaper than buying a PS3 and a separate computer,
[06:41] <seishinbyou> especially if you just want to do simple tasks
[06:42] <seishinbyou> Mind you, you are outputting to a TV
[06:42] <seishinbyou> and not a monitor
[06:42] <Jucato> ah I see...
[06:42] <seishinbyou> Plus, you could (in theory) modify the way the PS3 works so you could use it as whatever you want (i.e. custom media center/server)
[06:43] <seishinbyou> Today I want my PS3 to act as a.... file serve
[06:43] <Jucato> in theory, but wouldn't Sony have some DRM in place?
[06:43] <XVampireX> PS3 for the win
[06:44] <seishinbyou> for Blu-ray, yes, but I can't see that not being circumvented eventually
[06:44] <seishinbyou> (warning: double negative in previous statement)
[06:44] <Dr_willis> i read in an artical about the ps3 - that one of the cell oprocessors is for 'os security' whatever that ment,
[06:45] <seishinbyou> To make sure the PS3 firmware isn't overwritten perhaps, but who says you can't clone that, modify it, and boot it separately as the "Other OS" from the media Xbar
[06:45] <seishinbyou> But feh, a lot of this is speculation at the moment.  At least it is open to homebrew and other OSs, unlike the PSP attitude
[06:46] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[06:46] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:46] <Jucato> :)
[06:53] <Dr_willis> given sonys history and so on.. I aing getting a ps3 any time soon. :)
[06:54] <warpzone> Dr_willis: although the thought of dropping ubuntu on one is kinda tempting
[06:54] <faderhval> morning :)
[06:54] <warpzone> Dr_willis: just not tempting enough to pay $600 for their DRM'ed crap
[06:55] <Dr_willis> Yep.. $600 is a nice pc...
[06:55] <warpzone> and a nicer file server
[06:55] <faderhval> was wondering if there were a command that lets me see how much data i've transfered in total???
[06:55] <Dr_willis> i recall some way to get tcp transfer totals...
[06:55] <XVampireX> Did anyone see DRM? in action?
[06:56] <warpzone> Googley time!
[06:57] <warpzone> faderhval: urm, can't see anything off of the bat
[06:57] <seishinbyou> XVampireX: I had to work on a project involving truly evil DRM (video content "protection").  I'm sure it would be illegal outside Japan
[06:57] <faderhval> hmm google doesnt help much...:/
[06:57] <Jucato> I have experienced DRM videos
[06:58] <XVampireX> seishinbyou: So, how does it work? Licenses to people who can watch it? How does this DRM know who can watch it and who can't?
[06:58] <warpzone> faderhval: never give up, trust your instincts!
[06:58] <ubd> konnichiwa seishinbyou :O
[06:58] <faderhval> :) trying to but im not sure what to google for :)
[06:58] <warpzone> faderhval: ... sorry just played starfox again, I'll check something else
[06:58] <Dr_willis> Starfox.. hmm for the SNES?
[06:58] <seishinbyou> XVampireX: It involved WMV videos involving celebrities endorsing products (which included clips from their music videos).  It got even when the program seeked out existing products from competitors
[06:58] <seishinbyou> ubd> 
[06:59] <XVampireX> heh
[06:59] <Jucato> the DRM WMV I have were downloaded from a site that teaches 3D modeling and animation. (kids online, I think)
[07:00] <thuan_> hi
[07:00] <DFM> evening
[07:00] <XVampireX> Anyway, this is a support channel, no? :P
[07:00] <DFM> anyone know what is up with Frostwire?
[07:01] <DFM> not connecting?
[07:01] <warpzone> Dr_Willis: nah 64 emulator
[07:01] <Dr_willis> warpzone,  heh - wonder if that game will be one ya can play on the Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :)
[07:01] <ubd> seishinbyou: ??????
[07:01] <ubd> hmm
[07:02] <XVampireX> DFM: It's a known issue, look in their forums
[07:02] <seishinbyou> ubd> You have Japanese fonts installed, and JP support enabled?
[07:02] <XVampireX> give me a sec I'll dig it
[07:02] <warpzone> Dr_willis: despite it's intentions, that name still feels akward. How you do invite friends over to play with your Wii?
[07:02] <jon_> Anyone have any experiance with ndiswrapper?
[07:02] <DFM> looked earlier this month and couldn't find anything
[07:02] <DFM> everytime I click their forum link the browser close's
[07:02] <ubd> i can see japanese, i dont use a jap. font atm i guess
[07:03] <DFM> thx for the response thow
[07:03] <XVampireX> DFM:http://www.frostwire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=666
[07:04] <DFM> thanks
[07:04] <defrysk> try nicotine
[07:04] <defrysk> much better and java-free
[07:04] <ubd> ??????
[07:04] <ubd> pfft
[07:05] <defrysk> !info nicotine
[07:05] <ubotu> nicotine: graphical client for the SoulSeek peer-to-peer system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4.1-1 (edgy), package size 373 kB, installed size 1956 kB
[07:08] <jon_> Any advice on what kind of wi-fi card I should buy?
[07:08] <Dr_willis> one with a good return policy. :)
[07:09] <ubd> ??????
[07:09] <warpzone> question, btw
[07:10] <warpzone> I'm hoping to make this box a secure fileserver, accessible from the internet
[07:10] <warpzone> can anybody reccomend a guide of some sort
[07:10] <warpzone> or should I just stick to sftp
[07:11] <Dr_willis> ssh is always a good idea
[07:11] <Dr_willis> depends on the exact task you are doing with the fileserver.
[07:12] <warpzone> Dr_willis: just holding files that I can grab whenever and backup with rsync
[07:12] <warpzone> no websites or anything
[07:12] <DFM> XVampireX:thanks I got it going
[07:14] <warpzone> Dr_willis: hmm, what about using hamachi through an SSH tunnel?
[07:14] <Dr_willis> warpzone,  sounds like ssh may do what you need.
[07:14] <Dr_willis> ssh tunnles seem to be the Ultimate Tool! :)
[07:15] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: beats coding your own socket everytime you need some X user access.
[07:15] <warpzone> lol I just have no idea how to use em. However, I did find a few guides, so I believe it's time to start reading, no?
[07:15] <unix_infidel> unless you want to volunteer youreslf to create socket programs for us :P
[07:17] <Dr_willis> well night all....
[07:21] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone using Konversation?
[07:21] <ubuntu> i suppose that i am
[07:22] <Admiral_Chicago> ubuntu hit ctrl shift A
[07:22] <Admiral_Chicago> you'll be marked as away, do you get two messages?
[07:22] <Admiral_Chicago> [00:21]  [Away]  You are now marked as being away.
[07:22] <Admiral_Chicago> [00:21]  [Away]  You are now marked as being away.
[07:22] <Admiral_Chicago> like that?
[07:22] <ubuntu> not that i saw here, nope
[07:23] <ubuntu> ./away does it though
[07:23] <Admiral_Chicago> two messages?
[07:24] <ubuntu> nope just one
[07:24] <Admiral_Chicago> damn, well i keep getting two
[07:24] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm
[07:24] <ubuntu> strange
[07:25] <Jucato> I normally only get one. Admiral_Chicago, that may be due to lag. I've had it happen to me
[07:25] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: i have 377 ms of lag
[07:25] <Jucato> specially since freenode has been a bit wacked lately
[07:25] <Admiral_Chicago> so you say you can get two when you lag heavy?
[07:25] <ubuntu> none of my shortcuts appear to work though, now that i notice
[07:26] <Admiral_Chicago> i've always had two
[07:26] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: yes. sometimes even more than two. but only when lagging
[07:26] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: hmm i'm considering filing a bug, good idea or bad?
[07:27] <Jucato> if it can be reproduced consistently by others, then it's a good idea
[07:30] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: did restarting help?
[07:30] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: no but konversation crashed
[07:30] <Jucato> ouch
[07:31] <Admiral_Chicago> 17 ms no repeat
[07:31] <Jucato> so no more repeating /away messages?
[07:33] <Admiral_Chicago> no i'm under 148ms and it's not repeating
[07:33] <dan14> hello all
[07:33] <dan14> has anyone had any luck getting wireless to work in edgy?
[07:33] <Admiral_Chicago> !wireless
[07:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:33] <Admiral_Chicago> that might be a good first step dan14
[07:34] <dan14> i have definately tried that
[07:34] <dan14> i have a problem installing the intel drivers
[07:34] <Admiral_Chicago> did you try ndiswrapper?
[07:34] <dan14> i am running ipw1394 intel
[07:34] <dan14> no, will that work with intel?
[07:35] <Admiral_Chicago> dan14: it takes a windows driver and makes it work in linux
[07:35] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure exactly your model
[07:35] <dan14> my exact model is intel pw3495
[07:35] <dan14> ipw
[07:36] <dan14> i have read the linux-on-laptops tutorial as well, with not luck either
[07:37] <dan14> brb, going to do a restart, it may work
[07:38] <ubuntu> could anyone reccomend a guide for setting up dual boot? or should i be fine with the one in the distroguide?
[07:38] <pradalover> ubuntu.....
[07:38] <Jucato> !dualboot
[07:38] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64)  -  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[07:39] <ubuntu> thank you sir
[07:39] <pradalover> google using video
[07:39] <pradalover> there is a full video on it
[07:39] <nyt> helo
[07:39] <ubuntu> sounds good
[07:41] <nyt> i have a question
[07:41] <pradalover> http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&hs=WU2&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&sa=N&resnum=0&q=dual%20boot&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=wv
[07:41] <nyt> what will i use
[07:42] <nyt> what o will i do, i have a file from microsoft access
[07:42] <nyt> and i want it to open in openoffice
[07:42] <Admiral_Chicago> !ask > ubuntu
[07:43] <Healot> nyt: you can open it by creating a OO database; need to connect via OBDC though...
[07:44] <nyt> obdc ? can you explain it to me
[07:44] <ubuntu> ummm, i think you missed your target with that !ask thing
[07:45] <Admiral_Chicago> opps sorry
[07:45] <ubuntu> np
[07:45] <Admiral_Chicago> ubuntu you should do a /nick newnickname
[07:45] <ubuntu> .nick iamdas
[07:45] <Admiral_Chicago> cool, more distinct
[07:49] <nyt> :(
[07:53] <nyt> a prompt said a driver is probably defective:(
[07:53] <nyt> :(
[07:55] <Ayabara> what's a good editor for writing C code in kubuntu? all I have installed is emacs.
[07:55] <flaccid> kate
[07:57] <Jucato> kate, kdevelop, nano, vim(-tiny).take your pick :)
[07:57] <Ayabara> flaccid, is it possible to get tags in kate?
[07:57] <flaccid> what do you mean?
[07:57] <flaccid> syntax highlight?
[07:57] <seishinbyou> vim highlights too, doesn't it
[07:58] <Jucato> I thought bluefish was a web page editor?
[07:58] <pradalover> can someone help me with installing Apache using Ubuntu
[07:59] <Ayabara> flaccid, no. tags for navigating in c code. go-to-function and complete-symbol and things like that
[07:59] <Ayabara> I use xrefactory in emacs for that purpose
[07:59] <flaccid> sorry don't know about that
[08:00] <flaccid> !apache > pradalover
[08:01] <Ayabara> Jucato, kate and kdevelop seems most to my taste of the ones you mentioned
[08:01] <Ayabara> (what a sentence..)
[08:01] <Jucato> :)
[08:01] <Jucato> kdevelop is really meant to be an IDE, and might have what you're looking for. Kate is an advanced text editor, but still just a text editor. (It doesn't have tag completion, afaik)
[08:03] <Ayabara> ok. I'll give kdevelop a try.
[08:03] <flaccid> doesn't kdevelop use kate?
[08:04] <Jucato> probably the Kate kpart? but there would still be some features that KDevelop has that Kate wouldn't have, right?
[08:04] <flaccid> i think so
[08:04] <nyt> brb
[08:05] <flaccid> problem is that kdevelop doesn't have a much needed feature
[08:05] <flaccid> but kate has it
[08:05] <Jucato> what?
[08:05] <flaccid> open in current instance
[08:05] <flaccid> i dislike having a 76 kdevelop windows open
[08:06] <Jucato> oh.
[08:06] <flaccid> only reason why i don't use it
[08:06] <Jucato> on the other hand, I don't like that in Kate. sometimes I want to open a new window for a different session/instance.is that possible in Kate?
[08:07] <flaccid> yes it is
[08:07] <flaccid> take out the -U switch or -u or whatever it was
[08:07] <flaccid> thats what kdevelop doesn't support
[08:07] <teledyn_> my head is going to explode.  why does opening a doc via kfm open it in an existing kate frame?
[08:07] <Jucato> flaccid:
[08:07] <Jucato> err. % U
[08:08] <flaccid> thats it
[08:08] <teledyn_> i found it.  edited the mime type setting
[08:08] <flaccid> probably the , teledyn_
[08:08] <teledyn_> it had -use option set
[08:09] <flaccid> ah ok
[08:09] <Jucato> flaccid: kdevelop doesn't have a % U (no space in between) feature? aren't the % values supposed to be KDE-wide?
[08:09] <teledyn_> kate %U  is the correct setting for kate
[08:10] <flaccid> dunno Jucato. the developers told me the feature won't be out until next major release of kdevelop
[08:10] <Jucato> ah
[08:15] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: 250+ i thinx
[08:15] <Jucato> huh?
[08:15] <Admiral_Chicago> lag was 442ws
[08:16] <Admiral_Chicago> i got two away messages
[08:16] <Jucato> ah
[08:19] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: will you confirm this happens when i put the bug in?
[08:20] <Jucato> that it happens when the server is lagging? are you sure that it's a konversation bug though?
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> it never happened to me on xchat
[08:21] <Jucato> ah. would be good if you asked in #konversation, too
[08:29] <kraut> moin
[08:33] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: I commented on the bug, but didn't set it to Confirmed yet
[08:33] <Admiral_Chicago> okay that's fine
[08:34] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks a lot
[09:01] <kamui> how do I modify my systemwide PATH?  it seems that content put in /etc/bash.bashrc doesn't have any impact on apps run inside of a gdm session
[09:02] <Admiral_Chicago> kamui: i think it's ~/.profile but i'm not even sure
[09:02] <kamui> Admiral_Chicago: I don't think that has any impact until a login at the shell executes
[09:02] <kamui> thats why my global bashrc doesn't work either
[09:03] <kamui> I mean, there must be a way since /usr/bin is accessible, I just need to find out how that path is executable and add my custom sdk dir to that same path statement
[09:03] <Admiral_Chicago> i've only edited my ~/.profile once but somone guided me so I don't know
[09:43] <Malandrovjs> Hallo
[09:43] <Malandrovjs> Hoi
[09:44] <Malandrovjs> e
[09:44] <Malandrovjs> g
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> Hello Malandrovjs
[09:50] <Malandrovjs> Hello Admiral_chicago
[09:51] <Malandrovjs> how Hare you <Amiral_Chicago>?
[09:51] <stephan> my mouse focus here is brocken, to activate a windown, i must always click the title bar, when i click into the window, the window doesn"t get the focus
[09:52] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm well
[09:52] <Admiral_Chicago> stephan: check your windows behavior
[09:52] <avatar> hi there. yesterday I updated to edgy - and now my system sounds in kde did not work anymore (startup, shutdown, notify, ...). But I have sound while playing music files (mp3/ogg) or videos. any hint where to search for the problem?
[09:53] <elementone> anybody mind helping a fellow kubuntunian out?
[09:55] <Admiral_Chicago> elementone: i can try
[09:56] <elementone> Admiral_Chicago: im having some problems with my install
[09:56] <Admiral_Chicago> elementone: whats the problem?
[09:57] <elementone> Admiral_Chicago: using the iso image from the site.. i burned a copy of kubuntu with nero.. it loads (im using it right now) but when i try to install, i goes thru the language, keyboard setting and when it asks what kind of partitioning i would like to use, it goes into some kind of loop,
[09:57] <unix_infidel> elementone: first things first, did you do an md5sum of the iso image file?
[09:57] <Admiral_Chicago> what do you want the partiton to do
[09:57] <elementone> i would like to rezise my partition
[09:58] <stephan> Admiral_Chicago: checked it several times, everything right
[09:58] <elementone> i did a cdrom file check.. it came out ok
[09:58] <stephan> rebooted, nothing, switched somthing off and on again and it seem to work!!!
[09:59] <Malandrovjs> Hallo, why I can`t find information about sound card installation?
[09:59] <elementone> Admiral_Chicago: any ideas?
[10:00] <Admiral_Chicago> elementone: what do you want to do with the partitoning?
[10:00] <Admiral_Chicago> stephan: hmm i'm not sure how to help you then?
[10:00] <_4strO> yop yop
[10:01] <elementone> Admiral_Chicago: i would like to use the free space on the existing partition and install kubuntu there.
[10:01] <unix_infidel> elementone: the windows partition is taking up the entire disk?
[10:01] <elementone> Admiral_Chicago: yes
[10:02] <elementone> or unix_infidel
[10:02] <elementone> :)
[10:02] <unix_infidel> elementone: did you defrag the drive first?
[10:02] <Admiral_Chicago> elementone: the option is...use largest existing free space
[10:02] <elementone> unix_infidel: no i dint
[10:02] <unix_infidel> elementone: stop!
[10:03] <elementone> Admiral_Chicago: its about 13 gigs
[10:03] <unix_infidel> before doing anything else, exit all programs (dont apply any changes!) and boot into windows.
 Do you know how can I install my sound card on kubuntu?
[10:03] <elementone> unix_infidel: ok..
[10:03] <unix_infidel> defrag your windows partition. REMEMBER i'm on the assumtion that this windows partition is taking up the entire disk.
[10:03] <unix_infidel> and that's the ONLY partition on the 13GB disk.
[10:03] <elementone> its a 260 gig hd
[10:04] <elementone> with about 15gb of free space
[10:04] <Admiral_Chicago> Malandrovjs: what kind of soundcard do you have/
[10:04] <elementone> windows IS the only partition
[10:04] <Malandrovjs> because I can`t find on kubuntu documentation, there is only about graphics driver
[10:04] <unix_infidel> elementone: ok, so how big do you want the linux partition(s) to be?
[10:04] <Admiral_Chicago> elementone: defrag is a good idea
[10:04] <elementone> all together swap and all about 10g
[10:05] <elementone> unix_infidel: can i do it from here? (kubuntu from cdrom)
[10:05] <unix_infidel> elementone: i'd recommend 15-20 but 10GB will be just fine.
[10:05] <Malandrovjs> I have onboard soundcard on Dell Optiplex G1
[10:05] <XVampireX> defrag is always a good idea, since microsoft is so bad at developing file systems
[10:05] <XVampireX> or at developing anything good
[10:05] <Admiral_Chicago> Mal
[10:05] <Admiral_Chicago> Malandrovjs: it's not installed?
[10:05] <Malandrovjs> no,
[10:05] <Admiral_Chicago> how do you know it's not?
[10:05] <elementone> unix_infidel: i can free up some more space, its just some vids and m
[10:06] <elementone> p3s
[10:06] <unix_infidel> elementone: well, there is risk in resizing your windows partition down to a specific size so....
[10:06] <unix_infidel> here's the order of operations for you (this might take a second)
[10:06] <elementone> ok
[10:06] <elementone> unix_infidel: thanks
 It is not installed
[10:07] <unix_infidel> 1)BACKUP YOUR DATA!! (i cant stress that enough) 2) defragment and re-defragment 2x-3x times your windows partition 3)decide if you want to take the risk of resizign your windows partition ( you may lose data!) after deciding go a head and resize using the install cd and an application called qtparted.
[10:07] <Admiral_Chicago> yes i understand that, but my question is how do you know its not installed
[10:07] <unix_infidel> then come back here and ask questions about partition schemes and sizes.
It is onboard soundcard, Crysta WDM Audio-codec  on dell optiplex G1 its not installed
[10:08] <elementone> ok
[10:08] <elementone> unix
[10:08] <elementone> unix_infidel: thanks a lot
[10:09] <elementone> unix_infidel: i shoukd be back in the morning .. it will take a while lol
[10:09] <unix_infidel> np, back up your stuff man.  I cant tell you how many people who get paid 6 figures to manage linux systems cry when they fail to backup.
[10:09] <unix_infidel> i mean literally, tears and broken raid arrays.
[10:09] <elementone> haha
[10:09] <elementone> i wil..
[10:10] <elementone> im mostly concerned about photos
[10:10] <elementone> mp3s and movies and all that i can get them again..
[10:10] <elementone> and i have most of the installers
[10:10] <elementone> i think ... :-S
[10:10] <elementone> anyway
[10:10] <elementone> thanks alot unix_infidel
when I try to play a audio CD I don`t hear nathing
[10:11] <Admiral_Chicago> Malandrovjs: what kind of CD is it?
[10:11] <Admiral_Chicago> is it a fresh install? what are you using to play the CD?
I`m using kaffeine player
[10:13] <Admiral_Chicago> is the CD an audio CD, it is an MP3 Cd
It is audio Cd
[10:15] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, try using amarok to play the Cd first
[10:15] <Malandrovjs> Ok
I get this Error in Amarok ---> xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers
[10:18] <Admiral_Chicago> Malandrovjs: wait a few minutes, amarok does that to me sometimes
[10:18] <Malandrovjs> ok
[10:25] <peanutb> anyone know why canonical is only shipping LTS cds?
[10:26] <Jucato> because it is LTS (Long Term Support), which means it's the main supported release for a long time (3-5 years)
[10:27] <peanutb> is there a way i can get the artwork to make my own cds?
[10:28] <Jucato> The wallpaper is here: http://art.ubuntu.com/main.php?g2_itemId=70
[10:29] <Malandrovjs> Admiral_Chicago---. Nothing
[10:30] <Admiral_Chicago> Malandrovjs: hmm, that's really odd
[10:30] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: can you try to help Malandrovjs
[10:31] <Malandrovjs> Admiral_Chicago---- With KDE Daemon its plays but no sound coming out
[10:31] <ermak> does anyone use opera in kubuntu? can you test site http://series60.ru? when I browse this site everything lags and sometimes freeze....
[10:31] <Admiral_Chicago> !sound
[10:31] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[10:31] <Admiral_Chicago> tryy those links
[10:32] <Malandrovjs> Ok
[10:32] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: Malandrovjs is having problems with sound, maybe you can help him/her. i have to go
[10:33] <crimsun> Malandrovjs: what's the output from ``asoundconf list''?
 I don`t know, how can I see asoundconf list? I`m a newbe Man on Linux system
[10:36] <crimsun> Malandrovjs: type that command (which is in quotes) in a Konsole
[10:36] <crimsun> then tell me the output
[10:37] <Malandrovjs> Ok
 there is no outpout
[10:39] <Malandrovjs> output
[10:39] <crimsun> Malandrovjs: ok. What type of sound card is it?
[10:39] <crimsun> Malandrovjs: alternately, how old is the computer, and who makes it, and what model is it?
[10:39] <Malandrovjs> it is Onboard soundcard on Dell optiplex G1 p 2
[10:40] <crimsun> ah
[10:40] <canllaith> Hi there! I was wondering if someone could do me a favour and tell me if they have a 'Go' menu in their konqueror under Kubuntu edgy ? :)
[10:40] <Jucato> no
[10:40] <canllaith> Bother. Ok, thanks.
[10:40] <Jucato> Go and Window menu are disabled/hidden by default in Kubuntu
[10:41] <canllaith> *sigh* ok, thanks :)
[10:41] <Jucato> canllaith: you can restore them if you want
[10:42] <canllaith> Nah, I don't use kubuntu, I'm just trying to write some 'generic' instructions that will work on most distributions and kubuntus 'usability improvements' tend to throw a spanner in the works.
[10:42] <crimsun> Malandrovjs: in a Konsole, please use ``sudo modprobe snd-cs4232''
[10:43] <canllaith> Go -> Network Folders is one way of getting to the remote:/ kioslave. Not all distros put the system button on the panel like kubuntu does (which is probably a friendlier way of getting there)
is Dell Optiplex G1 onboard soundcard Crystal WDM Audio-codec
[10:44] <canllaith> Ah well, thanks for the confirmation Jucato. I recently had a kubuntu user file a bug against KDE documentation over that 'go' menu so I suspected that it was disabled.
[10:44] <Jucato> probably. but are the entries under the Go menu consistent in all distros?also, there's the navigation panel (visible in file browser mode), which is also a friendlier way of getting there
[10:44] <canllaith>  I have no idea about 'all distros'. I use the unmodified sources pulled from KDE 3.5 branch, so goodness knows.
[10:45] <canllaith> Kubuntu is so popular though, I need to make sure I'm taking into account their changes for what I'm writing here.
output, FATAL: Error inserting snd-cs4232 (/lib/modules/2.6.15-26-386/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4232.ko): No such device
[10:47] <Lynoure> Is there a DVD ripper that does not make iso automatically (k9copy seems to, at least on Dapper) or a player that can play dvd isos?
[10:49] <crimsun> Malandrovjs: use ``sudo modprobe snd-cs4236''
[10:50] <Malandrovjs> yes I did it
[10:50] <crimsun> Malandrovjs: you just executed the above command?
[10:50] <crimsun> Malandrovjs: note that I gave you a different command
[10:50] <crimsun> Malandrovjs: an ending _6_ versus _2_
[10:51] <Malandrovjs> I have to do sudo an ending_6_versus_2?
[10:51] <crimsun> no
[10:51] <mats_> hehe
[10:51] <crimsun> ``sudo modprobe snd-cs4236''
[10:53] <Malandrovjs> I did the other one
 I did this one sudo modprobe snd-cs4236
[10:54] <Malandrovjs> there is no output
[10:56] <crimsun> Malandrovjs: excellent
[10:56] <crimsun> Malandrovjs: what's the output now from ``asoundconf list''?
[10:57] <Malandrovjs> Name of available sound cards: cs42366b
Names of available sound cards: CS4236B
[11:03] <crimsun> Malandrovjs: brilliant :)
[11:04] <crimsun> Malandrovjs: now this in a Konsole:  ``echo snd-cs4236 |sudo tee -a /etc/modules''
 i did but no output
[11:06] <crimsun> Malandrovjs: it should have echoed "snd-cs4236" back
[11:08] <crimsun> Malandrovjs: what's the output from ``tail -1 /etc/modules'' ?
[11:09] <Malandrovjs> >crimsun< the output from tail -1 /etc/modules is snd-cs4236
[11:09] <crimsun> great.
[11:09] <crimsun> Malandrovjs: now log out of KDE and back in
[11:10] <Malandrovjs> Ok,
[11:26] <malandrovjs> crimsun----- its working
[11:26] <crimsun> yes, I know
[11:26] <malandrovjs> thanks man
[11:26] <crimsun> np
[11:27] <malandrovjs> How do you know?
[11:27] <crimsun> because I handle alsa for *buntu.
[11:27] <Jucato> :)
[11:27] <crimsun> and now, I'm going to bed.
[11:28] <malandrovjs> Ok, where can find a good book to learn how to works with kubuntu or linux?
[11:28] <harmental> how can i add a folder into PATH?
[11:29] <mats> mkdir ?
[11:30] <harmental> i mean in the list of search paths...
[11:51] <harmental> quick questions regarding scripts:
[11:51] <harmental> which file extension to use?
[11:51] <harmental> (if any)
[11:51] <harmental> how to run a script thats already in the PATH?
[11:56] <Admiral_Chicago> malandrovjs: http://www.phptr.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=0132435942&rl=1 like this one?
 Thank man,
[11:58] <Admiral_Chicago> np
[11:58] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm glad your problem got fixed
[11:59] <malandrovjs> >Admiral_Chicago< I will try to look for in HOlland, becouse I`m live here
[12:00] <Admiral_Chicago> i've seen more and more books in stores about Ubuntu
[12:00] <Admiral_Chicago> malandrovjs: i like in Chicago, i'm just an amnesiac
[12:00] <Admiral_Chicago> brb going to swtich chat clients i think
[12:00] <malandrovjs> OK
[12:01] <malandrovjs> I want to learn more about kubuntu, or linux
[12:01] <seaLne> can anyone think of what might cause after an upgrade to feisty for my machine not to be able to find the vm root partition and therefore not boot?
[12:01] <seaLne> lvm root
[12:01] <malandrovjs> I think I`ll never go back to Windows system
[12:01] <matevz> I'm missing update-menus on my kubuntu edgy
[12:02] <matevz> I need this to make a .deb package for menu icon, right?
[12:09] <Admiral_Chicago> seaLne: #ubuntu+1for foeisty support
[12:11] <KomiaPoika> what package can i install to have gftp installed with ssl support?
[12:14] <icheyne> malandrovjs, this one is not Kubuntu specific, but I found it very useful and it's free. "Introduction to Linux - A Hands on Guide" (http://tldp.org/guides.html)
[12:15] <vyoman> is anybody  using this DVD burner: Philips SPD3000CC Dual layer External Portable DVD Rewriter
[12:15] <vyoman> does it work with kubuntu, are you happy with it?
[12:16] <malandrovjs> Thank<icheyne>
[12:18] <icheyne> malandrovjs, pleasure :)
Do you know what I can do with this outpup:Video codec 'XviD' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies
[12:20] <malandrovjs> I was trying to play a avi movie on Totem
[12:20] <malandrovjs> Totem Movie Player
[12:20] <icheyne> malandrovjs, yes go to www.ubuntuguide.org and install all the codecs
[12:20] <icheyne> I'll find you a link
[12:20] <icheyne> hang on
[12:20] <malandrovjs> OK\
[12:21] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone want to show me around irssi?
[12:21] <icheyne> malandrovjs, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Multimedia_Codecs
[12:21] <icheyne> !xvid | malandrovjs
[12:21] <ubotu> malandrovjs: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:26] <Arepie> hello... after i install beryl.. and add a startup "beryl-manager" i can't login to X.. what should i do?
[12:30] <icheyne> Arepie, maybe try #ubuntu-xgl ?
[12:33] <Arepie> anybody home?
[12:33] <guglielf> only root
[12:49] <ypsila> ach du schande, was geht denn hier ab
[12:50] <Admiral_Chicago> !de
[12:50] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:50] <ypsila> I want a bot for #kubuntu-de
[12:51] <Admiral_Chicago> ypsila: like ubotu?
[12:51] <ypsila> yes
[12:51] <ypsila> and some more things
[12:51] <Admiral_Chicago> #ubuntu-bots is the place for you
[12:52] <ypsila> Admiral_Chicago: it is not a decision of only one person
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> ypsila: what do you mean?
[12:54] <ypsila> I mean that until today there are no bots allowed, and since several weeks we discuss about it, but the meeting of the deciding people did not take place
[12:56] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm that's unfortunet, but i really have nothing to do with bots
[12:57] <ypsila> me not either, but it would be a nice thing for beginners
[12:58] <pont> Random question, Anyone have Korganizer syncing with Google Cal
[12:58] <kay> !php
[12:58] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[12:59] <Admiral_Chicago> ypsila: i agree, i'm just not sure how to help you
[01:00] <kay> do anyone knows if there is a php chat?
[01:00] <Admiral_Chicago> i keep ubotu in a PM so I don't flood the channel, the bot is great
[01:00] <Admiral_Chicago> kay i think the command in /list
[01:00] <Admiral_Chicago> there has to be one
[01:00] <ypsila> kay: did you search for it?
[01:01] <kay> ypsila: i dont search for it i ask here now
[01:02] <icheyne> pont, no but it would be cool if I could do that. I might give it a go tonight...
[01:03] <ypsila> kay: then go on asking, if it is too difficult for you to type to words into a google-search :-D
[01:03] <kay> ypsila: hm ... sure you right
[01:03] <Bubba_Gump> My Amarok won't play flac
[01:03] <Bubba_Gump> any suggestions?
[01:04] <Emess> got the flac codec?
[01:04] <ypsila> no there is no php chat! nowhere!
[01:04] <kay> ypsila: you kidding?
[01:04] <Bubba_Gump> Emess: where does it show if i've got the flac codec?
[01:04] <^itch> hello ppl
[01:05] <Bubba_Gump> !flac
[01:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:05] <Emess> Bubba_Gump: your in kubuntu yes? just open adept and type in flac and it will tell you if its there or not
[01:05] <Bubba_Gump> Emess: k :)
[01:05] <kay> ypsila: hm... thx#
[01:05] <^itch> can anyone recomend me a software capturing imagages from my webcam, and broadcasting them ?
[01:05] <ypsila> it is absolutely unbelievable that there should be people writing about php
[01:05] <kay> ypsila: you are right
[01:06] <Emess> ^itch: google
[01:06] <ypsila> sag ich doch
[01:06] <Bubba_Gump> Emess: i have libflac++5c2, libflac7, liboogflac3 installed
[01:07] <kay> ypsila: nett
[01:07] <^itch> Emess , so far i`ve tryed camorama and camsteam. But i din`t liked any of them.
[01:07] <pont> icheyne: Wicked, If you get it going.. Give me a yell :P
[01:07] <icheyne> pont, will do
[01:07] <KomiaPoika> how do you turn off turning word reds when they don't match dictionnary in konqueror ??
[01:08] <Emess> Bubba_Gump: try playing them in another progranm to see if its just amaork
[01:08] <Bubba_Gump> ok :)
[01:08] <Emess> ^itch: isnt there a progrma in kubuntu that comes in teh default install that does it?
[01:08] <^itch> Emess : dunno. whitch one is it ?
[01:09] <Emess> ^itch: not sure, but it'd be under kmenu --> graphics
[01:09] <Jucato> digikam?
[01:09] <Emess> have you tried setitng the webcam up as a camera?
[01:09] <Emess> Jucato: no, he wants to broadcast
[01:09] <Jucato> ah
[01:10] <ypsila> !php
[01:10] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[01:10] <jihi> !de
[01:10] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:10] <^itch> Emess : no. But i`ve just set it up as a scanner and opend it with kooka ;)
[01:10] <ypsila> :-D moin jihi
[01:10] <ypsila> !php
[01:11] <jihi> hi ypsila ^^
[01:11] <ypsila> nicht verkehrt, oder?
[01:11] <jihi> ja, das ist gut
[01:11] <ypsila> emacs!
[01:11] <jihi> besonders wenn man auch begriffe hinzufgenkann
[01:11] <ypsila> !emacs
[01:11] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), vi/vim (terminal-based), terminal based: vi/vim, emacs, nano (user-friendly). HTML/CSS editors: !html; Programming: !code
[01:11] <ypsila> und raus
[01:13] <icheyne> !botabuse | ypsila
[01:13] <ubotu> ypsila: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots - Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops... ;-)
[01:13] <Bubba_Gump> Emess: doesn't play in Kaffeine
[01:13] <tackat> Hi
[01:14] <Bubba_Gump> Emess: the flac, that is :)
[01:14] <Emess> Bubba_Gump: then its a codec problem
[01:14] <Bubba_Gump> yeah
[01:14] <Bubba_Gump> !flac
[01:14] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:14] <tackat> any idea why my Centrino Duo doesn't go beyond 1000 MHz on Kubuntu no matter how intensive job's I'm processing? :)
[01:14] <ypsila> icheyne: it was only to demonstrate the bot, we would like to have one too in our channel #kubuntu-de
[01:14] <Emess> Bubba_Gump: try removing the flac packages and then installing them again, but install with commadn line so you can check they are being setup properly
[01:15] <tackat> (should have 1667 MHz)
[01:15] <fkling> hi, ive got a question about amule (in ubuntu): my kad is firewalled, but I conifgured my rooter right (I think) and flashed iptables... e2dk works (high ID)- any ideas what could be wrong?
[01:15] <fkling> and kad turns off after some minutes
[01:17] <MrMee> hi, umm... can anybody help me out? you see, i'm tryin to remove a rogue dll on a windows partition with this kubuntu live cd, but it tells me it can't view the drive can't find /dev/hda2 in /etc/fstab
[01:17] <pont> mrmee, sudo mount /dev/hda2 /mnt
[01:18] <pont> then look in /mnt for the file
[01:18] <MrMee> cool. thanks ^__^
[01:18] <Bubba_Gump> Emess: all insalled :)
[01:18] <Emess> Bubba_Gump: test it now?
[01:18] <Emess> Bubba_Gump: clsoe amaroK completely first, to make sure it loads new codecs
[01:19] <Bubba_Gump> Emess: :(
[01:19] <visik7> anyone using inotify ?
[01:20] <MrMee> hmmm.... now it's denying me permission. how do i open konqueror as root?
[01:20] <Jucato> it's not a good idea to do anything that involves writing (that includes deleting) on NTFS partitions
[01:20] <malandrvjs> I try to use this command: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.lis and I get this output:sudo: gedit: command not found
[01:21] <malandrvjs> What can be the problem?
[01:21] <Emess> malandrvjs: you on kubuntu? it doesnt have gedit
[01:21] <Jucato> kate
[01:21] <Jucato> replace gedit with kate
[01:21] <Emess> Bubba_Gump: whats teh actual error in amaroK?
[01:21] <Bubba_Gump> there is none
[01:21] <Jucato> gedit = GNOME text editor, kate = KDE text editor
[01:21] <malandrvjs> yes I`m on kubuntu
[01:21] <KomiaPoika> how do you turn off turning word reds when they don't match dictionnary in konqueror ??
[01:21] <Bubba_Gump> it skips over the files (flac) until playlist finished
[01:21] <Emess> Jucato: kate is graphic tho, sudo would need to be kdesu wouldnt it?
[01:22] <icheyne> !kdesu | MrMee
[01:22] <ubotu> MrMee: In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[01:22] <Jucato> er yeah. didn't notice that :)
[01:22] <Emess> Bubba_Gump: does it play non-flac files?
[01:22] <Bubba_Gump> Emess: yes
[01:22] <Bubba_Gump> Emess: cd and mp3
[01:22] <Jucato> malandrvjs: use kdesu kate instead of sudo gedit
[01:22] <malandrvjs> ok
[01:22] <Emess> Bubba_Gump: int eh lover left corner of amarok, does it tell you the error for flac?
[01:23] <Emess> *lower
[01:23] <Bubba_Gump> Emess: no
[01:23] <alex1981> hi guys
[01:23] <Bubba_Gump> Emess: normally an error shows a box with an 'i', this time the box does not appear
[01:23] <Emess> Bubba_Gump: not really sure then, it sounds like amaroK cant read where flac is, tried converting or do you need lossless?
[01:23] <MrMee> soooo, i type kdesu konqueror in the konsole? cuz when i do that, it tells me "kdesu: cannot connect to x server"
[01:24] <Emess> MrMee: are you in X?
[01:24] <Bubba_Gump> Emess: yes for these tracks i would like to have lossless
[01:24] <MrMee> i'm a linux newbie, so i unfortunately don't know :\
[01:24] <Emess> Bubba_Gump: then im not sure, could be an Edgy problem, I can't open Kaffeine at all
[01:24] <Emess> MrMee: is it all commandline or do you have a desktop and that?
[01:24] <MrMee> desktop
[01:25] <Jucato> MrMee: try Alt+F2, kdesu konqueror. but again, it's not advisable to write/delete on NTFS, specially Windows partitions/drives
[01:25] <MrMee> even to delete one little file?
[01:26] <Jucato> it may, or may not mess up the filesystem. proceed at your own risk (although it may not produce any problems)
[01:26] <MrMee> okay. gotcha. thanks
[01:27] <Emess> MrMee: where is the file located just try sudo rm /mnt/fiellocation/filename.dll
[01:27] <Emess> where is it and il give you the full command
[01:28] <MrMee> WINDOWS/system32/dclpui.dll
[01:28] <[GuS] > bonjour...
[01:29] <Emess> ok, sudo rm /mnt/WINDOWS/system32/dclpui.dll
 With kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.li I get this output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32911/ is that normal?
[01:31] <icheyne> yes I get that
[01:31] <icheyne> it's not good, but I get it :(
[01:31] <icheyne> malandrvjs, it might be something to do with your xorg.conf
[01:31] <icheyne> I have not been able to fix it
[01:31] <Emess> o.O
[01:31] <Emess> X error
[01:32] <Emess> why are you editing like that anyway? you can edit your sources in adept by going adept --> manage repositories
[01:32] <Jucato> it's normal
[01:32] <MrMee> cannot remove read-only file system
[01:32] <Jucato> those X error messages are normal
[01:33] <Emess> MrMee: thought so, linux doesnt like writing to NTFS
[01:33] <Emess> MrMee: if you jsut want to delete the file why not jsut login to windows in safe mode with command and then delete it that way?
[01:34] <MrMee> file's bein held on to. even when i try to get it released with process explorer, it complains.
[01:34] <Jucato> or use your Windows CD and go to recovery mode
[01:34] <MrMee> my only other option is to remove the file via the command prompt by unregistering it first, but i forgot how to do that
[01:34] <Jucato> MrMee: it complains even in safe mode?
[01:34] <Emess> commandline delete wont worry about that and jsut do it anyway
can you see it again? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32912/
[01:35] <MrMee> yyyyup. even in safe mode :(
[01:35] <Emess> MrMee: get your windows cd and use Recovery mode
[01:35] <MrMee> that i'll try. didn't think o' that.
[01:35] <MrMee> thanks
[01:35] <pont> MrMee: that or get a dos boot disk that can read NTFS, a couple around
[01:36] <malandrvjs> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32912/ is that normal?
[01:37] <Emess> malandrvjs: what are you actually trying to do?
[01:37] <malandrvjs> install skype
[01:38] <Emess> ah, then what are you needing root konqueror for?
[01:38] <Emess> just go to skype's debian page, add the repo, and sudo apt-get install skype
[01:39] <XVampireX> sudo apt-get remove --purge skype #for being so outdated
[01:40] <Emess> http://skype.com/download/skype/linux/repositories.html
[01:42] <Jucato> just be careful in adding extra repositories. It may or may not make it harder to update/upgrade later on.
[01:42] <XVampireX> People who use WoW with Cedega get banned
[01:42] <Jucato> (it may or may not also make it harder to install some apps... YMMV)
[01:42] <XVampireX> It proves that there is hate towards Linux
[01:43] <Emess> Jucato: the only error iv seen liek that was with the beerorkid repo killing the upgrade rom dapper to edgy
[01:44] <Bubba_Gump> Emess: i've purge my flac and installed afresh and amarok still plays only mp3s
[01:44] <Jucato> Emess: some problems with the edgy upgrade were also caused by non-official repos, even the ones for beryl/compiz
[01:58] <ohmbr> hi, how do i get a service to run at startup on ububtu?
[02:02] <largo24> br has joined #kubuntu
[02:02] <largo24> <o
[02:02] <largo24> oops
[02:03] <largo24> ohmbr, kubuntu or ubuntu?
[02:03] <ohmbr> largo24:  kubuntu
[02:04] <largo24> from the program menu click system settings > advanced > system services
[02:08] <ohmbr> largo24: tks...
[02:08] <largo24> yw
[02:09] <pont> how do i go about browsing smb shares in kubuntu
[02:09] <Tm_T> !samba
[02:09] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[02:10] <pont> thinking more so in konqueror
[02:10] <Jucato> smb:/
[02:11] <pont> Jucato: cheers
[02:11] <Jucato> :)
[02:21] <Bubba_Gump> i uninstalled xine which also for some reason uninstalled open office??
[02:21] <sheft> Hi, how do I install realplayer?
[02:23] <drbreen> don't do it
[02:23] <drbreen> realplayer is shit
[02:23] <Bubba_Gump> but sheft wants to install it
[02:23] <drbreen> okay: sheft: do you know how to change repositories ?
[02:23] <drbreen> cheft: did you enable universe ?
[02:24] <sheft> hmm, how do I do that? i want to install it so it works with my firefox.
[02:24] <Jucato> !info realplayer
[02:24] <ubotu> Package realplayer does not exist in any distro I know
[02:24] <Jucato> O.o
[02:25] <gnomefreak> wait a min
[02:25] <gnomefreak> i uploade da deb for it lastweek
[02:26] <largo24> sheft, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
[02:27] <gnomefreak> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealplayerInstallationMethods?action=show&redirect=RealPlayerInstallationMethods has a realplayer deb
[02:27] <Jucato> gnomefreak: do you know when edgy-commercial will be available? if it ever will
[02:27] <gnomefreak> not sure it will be
[02:27] <Jucato> :(
[02:27] <gnomefreak> i havent heard. thats why im uploading my .dbes for packages you cant get  :)
[02:27] <Jucato> so what are the alternative ways to get Opera and RealPlayer?
[02:28] <gnomefreak> s/.dbes/debs
[02:28] <gnomefreak> Jucato: i just gave you the link to realplayer 10 for edgy
[02:28] <gnomefreak> and feisty it works on atm
[02:28] <Jucato> :)
[02:28] <Jucato> thanks for that :)
[02:28] <Jucato> although... Kaffeine reads .rm and .rmvb just fine...
[02:28] <gnomefreak> give me a few days i have to work out a password issue on my DB and i will upload opera and other .debs i have
[02:29] <ka_1900> i have a question .!
[02:29] <gnomefreak> !realplayer
[02:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:29] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[02:29] <Bubba_Gump> ka_1900: ?
[02:29] <ka_1900> my laptop (hp dv4394) after installing kubunto on it
[02:30] <Bubba_Gump> yeah?
[02:30] <ka_1900> when i use ctrl+alt +f1 to go to the shell ,. the screen goes scrambled and nothing usefull appears
[02:30] <ka_1900> no prompt or smthing ,.
[02:30] <ka_1900> but the gui is working fine
[02:30] <Bubba_Gump> no grub?
[02:31] <ka_1900> no no ,. it is not about grub
[02:31] <ka_1900> it is when im on kde .. and switches by ctrl+alt +f1 ,. the shell is not appearing ,.
[02:31] <Bubba_Gump> need you have shell only?
[02:32] <ka_1900> although the console is working fine under KDE
[02:32] <Bubba_Gump> can you use konsole?
[02:32] <Bubba_Gump> ah
[02:32] <Bubba_Gump> i have the same problem
[02:32] <Bubba_Gump> which version are you running, breezy dapper edgy ?
[02:33] <ka_1900> edgy
[02:33] <ScarFreewill> how do i update my ati drivers?
[02:33] <Bubba_Gump> !ati
[02:33] <ScarFreewill> ati!
[02:33] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:33] <ScarFreewill> :P
[02:34] <Bubba_Gump> ka_1900: seems a fair few things have yet to work right in edgy
[02:34] <Bubba_Gump> ka_1900: on this one i don't know
[02:34] <Bubba_Gump> anyone know ?
[02:34] <ka_1900> so u recommend me to go try dapper ?
[02:34] <mc__> ka_1900: that is a known nvidia bug afaik
[02:35] <ka_1900> no my vga card is ATI
[02:35] <mc__> ka_1900: have you tried installing the latest drivers?
[02:37] <ka_1900> mc__ ,. yup
[02:38] <ka_1900> but no progress
[02:38] <ScarFreewill> i have dapper and the latest is 7.0.0-8.25.18+2.6.15.11-1 (ati driver) do i need to upgrade to edgy if i want new drivers?
[02:38] <ScarFreewill> 8.28.8 is out on edgy
[02:40] <ka_1900> ok guys ,. thanks for ur interest
[02:41] <ScarFreewill> i have dapper and the latest is 7.0.0-8.25.18+2.6.15.11-1 (ati driver) do i need to upgrade to edgy if i want new drivers? 8.28.8 is out on edgy?
[02:42] <gnomefreak> ScarFreewill: yes unles syou manully install them from the ati site
[02:43] <ScarFreewill> gomefreak where can i find a how to for that? its big file hey like 50mb?
[02:43] <gnomefreak> !ati | ScarFreewill
[02:44] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmm
[02:44] <gnomefreak> !test
[02:44] <Jucato> ubotu: ping
[02:44] <ScarFreewill> wheres the bot? lol
[02:45] <gnomefreak> im asking right now
[02:45] <Jucato> lagging?
[02:45] <gnomefreak> hes not working in any channel atm that i can see
[02:45] <ScarFreewill> maybe i broke it when it typed ati! and not !ati
[02:46] <Jucato> nah, he's not that sensitive
[02:46] <gnomefreak> seems both bots are dead
[02:46] <gnomefreak> ati! doesnt do anything
[02:46] <ScarFreewill> ok
[02:47] <gnomefreak> i informed Sevea^s of it. ill stick around for an answer
[02:48] <Jucato> lol @ the attempt not to "notify" Sevea^s :P
[02:48] <hyper_ch> !nvidia
[02:48] <hyper_ch> :(
[02:48] <Jucato> bots are down
[02:48] <Jucato> they seem to be taking a break
[02:48] <hyper_ch> I need my nvidia to work :(
[02:49] <mc__> hyper_ch: tell us your problem
[02:49] <Jucato> some people can do better than bots :P
[02:49] <hyper_ch> mc__: well, got a nvidia geforce2 GTS/Pro and installed the nvidia legacy driver but seems not to work properly... glxinfo returns errors
[02:49] <hyper_ch> glxgears produces errors
[02:50] <hyper_ch> however the nvidia boot-up image appears
[02:50] <hyper_ch> <-- running edgy
[02:50] <gnomefreak> hyper_ch: than it works
[02:50] <woodefec> hi
[02:50] <ScarFreewill> hyper_ch, i loved my geforce2 :) it rocked
[02:50] <ScarFreewill> hi
[02:50] <gnomefreak> hyper_ch: where does it stop working? kdm? or after login
[02:50] <hyper_ch> hyper@xubi:~$ glxgears
[02:50] <hyper_ch> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:50] <hyper_ch> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[02:50] <hyper_ch> hyper@xubi:~$
[02:50] <mc__> hyper_ch: show us your xorg.conf
[02:51] <Jucato> pastebin please
[02:51] <Jucato> hyper_ch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ <-- use that to show your xorg.conf
[02:52] <mc__> hyper_ch: do you have a line Load "glx" ind your Module Section?
[02:52] <hyper_ch> mc__: http://www.roleplayer.org/xorg.conf
[02:52] <Jucato> wow. his own pastebin?  :P
[02:52] <hyper_ch> not pastebin
[02:52] <hyper_ch> scp upload to my server
[02:52] <flo_> Hi! Is there a way to make konqueror sort these items (folder 1,folder 2, folder 10) in this order (folder 1,folder 2, folder 10) instead of (folder 1, folder 10, folder 2) ?
[02:52] <Jucato> ah nice hehehe :)
[02:53] <Jucato> flo_: folder 01, folder 02, folder 03, ... folder 10
[02:53] <hyper_ch> mc__: the load glx is in the module section
[02:54] <flo_> Jucato: Yes but i often read remote folders that i cannot edit. so i was looking for a different solution
[02:54] <Jucato> unfortunately, I don't know of any other solution :(
[02:57] <hyper_ch> why does:  glxinfo > glxinfo.txt    not work?
[02:57] <arriesp> ola
[02:58] <hyper_ch> Jucato / mc__ :found anything?
[02:58] <mc__> hyper_ch: btw:the difference between debian and ubuntu isnt that big
[02:58] <mc__> hyper_ch: its nearly the same
[02:58] <ypsila> hyper_ch: dancing on different tables ;-)
[02:58] <Jucato> hyper_ch: nope :(
[02:58] <hyper_ch> mc__: yes but I think to operate a server a pure stable debian is better :)
[02:58] <hyper_ch> ypsila: hi honey
[02:59] <mc__> hyper_ch: it is,i use also debian for my server
[02:59] <mc__> hyper_ch: pastes us your xorg log please
[02:59] <mc__> hyper_ch:  its located in  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:00] <hyper_ch> mc__: http://www.roleplayer.org/Xorg.0.log
[03:02] <Jucato> bots are back :)
[03:02] <Jucato> ubotu: ping
[03:02] <ScarFreewill> colo
[03:02] <hyper_ch> !nvidia
[03:02] <ScarFreewill> uhm about that...
[03:02] <hyper_ch> !nVidia
[03:02] <mc__> hyper_ch: the bot is down
[03:03] <Jucato> hm.. still warming up
[03:03] <hyper_ch> ok :)
[03:03] <hyper_ch> <-- sometimes a bit impatient :)
[03:03] <ScarFreewill> !ati | ScarFreewill
[03:03] <ubotu> ping: network unreachable
[03:04] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:04] <mc__> hyper_ch: i think you didt not install you driver correctly
[03:04] <hyper_ch> mc__: hmmm, start over from scratch?
[03:04] <ubotu> ScarFreewill: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:04] <mc__> hyper_ch: it seams like its still loading the glx module from the nv driver
[03:05] <hyper_ch> mc__: how did you see that? the nvidia-glx mod is not installed
[03:06] <ypsila> mc__: warum unterhaltet ihr euch nicht auf #kubuntu-de? ;-)
[03:07] <malandrvjs> how can copy something to mounted windows partition?
[03:07] <instructor> What file system
[03:07] <malandrvjs> ntfs
[03:08] <instructor> !ntfs
[03:08] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[03:08] <instructor> !fuse
[03:08] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[03:08] <mc__> ypsila: is usner englisch so schlecht? ^^
[03:09] <malandrvjs> and to copy something to mounted partition?
[03:11] <instructor> malandrvjs: Second link
[03:11] <malandrvjs> but there is not documentation for kubuntu? becouse I was trying alot of thing from ubuntu documentation on kubuntu and some of them are diferent
[03:11] <ypsila> mc__: not at all, but some things will work better in your motherlanguage, and those who do not understand englisch get a little help too ;-)
[03:12] <ubuntu> linux boot partition can be logical partition?I can boot from logical partition.
[03:13] <visik7> ubuntu: yes you can
[03:14] <ubuntu> can I test grub install ok?
[03:16] <instructor> malandrvjs: Where are they different?
[03:16] <yeti> any native english speakers in here :) ? i'd like to know what "on the night of 6 Dec" means - does it mean the night from 6-7 Dec or the night from 5-6 Dec?
[03:17] <mc__> yeti: the night form 6-7
[03:17] <Tm_T> yeti: I'm not native but I think it's 6-7
[03:17] <Tm_T> Hmh, I'm too old for this.
[03:18] <ypsila> yeti: Nikolaus!
[03:18] <mnoir> on the night of xx means the night that starts (darkness) on xxx
[03:18] <mnoir> xx=xxx
[03:19] <instructor> yeti: 6-7
[03:20] <scott> In Kubuntu Dapper, I want to allow another user (my daughter) to mount/unmount and otherwise have access to a USB flash drive. Which group do I need to add her to?
[03:22] <_abbenormal> where can i find a daily cd iso with the newest kernel on it like 2.6.19-rc3 or newer
[03:22] <KomiaPoika> scott: it will auto mount the key in kde if you just plug it in and click mount device
[03:22] <KomiaPoika> you only need root to unmount it
[03:23] <KomiaPoika> may be she can remove the key the dirty way and it will still work
[03:23] <scott> KomiaPoika: it does for my username, but it doesn't for her. I need to check my wife's account and see if it works there.  Will report back with error message in a moment.
[03:23] <ypsila> German speaking people are welcome to #kubuntu-de
[03:23] <instructor> scott: What groups are you in?
[03:25] <instructor> Hooray we did it again! :)
[03:25] <scott> scott adm cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin family
[03:25] <scott> kate : kate disk cdrom floppy plugdev admin family
[03:26] <scott> I added her to plugdev, thinking that might be it.  And then even admin (althought I didn't really want to).
[03:26] <scott> Still doesn't work.
[03:27] <instructor> logged her out and back in?
[03:27] <crusty> hallo there!     any halp about kubuntu and scanner agfa 1212p??????
[03:27] <instructor> !scanner
[03:27] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[03:27] <scott> Nope.  Maybe that's what's missing.
[03:27] <crusty> thanks ubutu
[03:27] <crusty> i think i know you already
[03:28] <malandrvjs> I`m trying to use this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse instructions to mount windows partition but I get erro like: sudo: ntfs: command not found
[03:28] <crusty> unlikelly my line went down last time
[03:28] <Tm_T> malandrvjs: Ehm.
[03:28] <Tm_T> !ntfs
[03:28] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[03:29] <ylz_> someone by chance tried to install edgy-server-x64 on a SunFire X4100?
[03:30] <ypsila> herbert: wie wre es mit #kubuntu-de ? ;-)
[03:31] <instructor> Tm_T: he can mount he just wants to write into it
[03:31] <instructor> malandrvjs: Oh I should point out that NTFS writing is dangerous :
[03:33] <instructor> Tm_T: shouldn't that page be updated?
[03:33] <ubuntu__> i feel stupid for forgetting this, and not knowing where i learned it, but how do i get a list of proccesses that are running and there pid?
[03:33] <instructor> don't we have ntfs3g now?
[03:33] <instructor> ubuntu__: What do you want it for?
[03:33] <Jucato> !ntfs-3g
[03:33] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Dapper installation instructions http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710
[03:33] <Jucato> !fuse
[03:33] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[03:34] <instructor> Those are all dapper :-(
[03:34] <ubuntu__> to manualy kill a preccess that freezez
[03:34] <ubuntu> linux boot partition can be logical partition?I can boot from logical partition us grub.
[03:34] <instructor> ubuntu__: try ps aux | grep <process name>
[03:34] <ubuntu> linux boot partition can be logical partition?I can boot from logical partition use grub.
[03:34] <instructor> ubuntu: Not that I know of :(
[03:34] <ubuntu__> ah, ps that's what i'm looking for
[03:34] <instructor> I could be ignorant though
[03:35] <instructor> ubuntu__: You could also use top :)
[03:35] <instructor> I like konversation
[03:35] <Jucato> ubuntu: yes. it can be any kind of partition. it's recommended to keep the /boot directory/partition within the first 8GBs of the hard drive, though
[03:35] <instructor> I just realised tab completion puts the person who spoke last at the top of the list
[03:35] <ubuntu__> thanks
[03:35] <Jucato> ubuntu__: you can also use Ctrl+Esc (KSysGuard)
[03:36] <instructor> so I can answer ubuntu__ and ubuntu with speed and ease :)
[03:36] <ubuntu> jucato:you have tried?
[03:36] <Jucato> or if it's just a graphical app, you can use Ctrl+Alt+Esc to use xkill
[03:36] <ubuntu__> ksysgaurd only closes proccesses in my user name
[03:36] <ubuntu__> i want to shut down a root proccess
[03:36] <Jucato> ubuntu__: ah, yeah, "sudo killall <processname>" or "kdesu ksysguard"
[03:37] <Jucato> ubuntu: yes. I've tried it before
[03:37] <instructor> Does anyone read commit-digest?
[03:37] <JohnFlux> ubuntu_: I think I added support for killing root processes to ksysguard in the latest kde3 release
[03:37] <JohnFlux> ubuntu_ i can't remember if I back ported it from kde4
[03:38] <Jucato> JohnFlux: even without root privileges?
[03:38] <JohnFlux> Jucato: it should prompt for the root password
[03:38] <Jucato> ah let me try :)
[03:39] <Jucato> hm.. what's a nice process to kill..
[03:39] <napa-> How can I make my internet access available automatically everytime I start Kubuntu - At the moment I have to go to system settings, choose network configuration , and disable/enable my connection to get IP  from DHCP
[03:39] <malandrvjs> I can see the windows partition but I can`t copy a file to windows partition
[03:39] <ubuntu> my boot partition is position after  10G and my linux system partition is the last logical partition.I can boot it using grub.
[03:40] <Jucato> JohnFlux: nope, doesn't work in KDE 3.5.5, I think
[03:40] <_abbenormal> enable the network at boot time
[03:40] <ubuntu> i cann't boot it using grub.
[03:40] <JohnFlux> Jucato: hmm :/
[03:40] <instructor> !ntfs3g | malandrvjs
[03:40] <Jucato> ubuntu: are you getting a GRUB 18 error?
[03:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs3g - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:40] <instructor> !fuse | malandrvjs
[03:40] <ubotu> malandrvjs: Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[03:40] <ubuntu> no
[03:40] <Jucato> instructor: it's ntfs-3g
[03:40] <instructor> !ntfs-3g | malandrvjs
[03:40] <ubotu> malandrvjs: ntfs-3g is a linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Dapper installation instructions http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710
[03:41] <scott> instructor: thanks for the help.  Logging my daughters account out and back in allowed the USB to work.  Apparently I had already made the appropriate changes.  Just didn't realize that it required the restart of the session.
[03:41] <instructor> scott: Let that be a lesson to you :)
[03:41] <gnomefreak> JohnFlux: kdesu ksysguard propmts for password her
[03:41] <instructor> scott: going to take her off of admin now?
[03:41] <gnomefreak> e/me on feisty atm
[03:41] <scott> thanks also KomiaPoika...
[03:42] <ubuntu> why use ntfsfuse,I use the ntfs driver with kenel,and it works ok.
[03:42] <scott> instructor: yes.  Some things I don't want her to be able to do :-)
[03:42] <instructor> scott:  your entire family uses LInux?
[03:42] <Jucato> gnomefreak: I think what JohnFlux meant was that ksysguard will prompt you for the password if you try to kill a root process when ksysguard is launched by a normal user
[03:42] <Jucato> (did that even make sense?)
[03:42] <gnomefreak> yes let me try
[03:42] <scott> You bet.  My four year old learned his alphabet when he was two on a linux game.
[03:43] <instructor> Ha ha :-) tuxteach!
[03:43] <JohnFlux> scott: heh, I used a spectrum in my tme :-)
[03:43] <ylz_> scott: gcompris?
[03:44] <scott> That was one of them, ylz_.
[03:44] <gnomefreak> yeah kill -p <pid> doesnt prompt for password and can be done without sudo
[03:44] <scott> Gotta go. Thanks all.
[03:44] <gnomefreak> oops kill -9 <pid>
[03:44] <instructor> scott: No problem come on back!
[03:47] <_abbenormal> has edty been released with the 2.6.19-rc3 or newer kernel yet not finding any newer cd images other than oct of 2006
[03:48] <Jucato> Edgy has 2.6.17
[03:48] <damg_> hmm, is it normal that kopete doesn't show russian fonts in incoming messages?
[03:48] <bitzero> installin kubuntu..
[03:48] <anoite> bonjour
[03:48] <ptifeth> bonjour
[03:49] <anoite> oh feth !!! bonjour
[03:49] <_abbenormal> ok right im looking for a release daily of kubuntu with the 2.6.19-rc3 or newer kernel is there anyone that knows where i can d/l them from
[03:50] <ypsila> bonjour
[03:51] <anoite> diantre un francais
[03:53] <ypsila> anoite: tu sais qu'il existe un #kubuntu-fr ?
[03:53] <Jucato> !fr
[03:53] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:53] <anoite> ypsila: j'ai un petit pblm
[03:53] <anoite> oui oui merci
[03:53] <anoite> j'y suis
[03:53] <ypsila> d'accord
[03:54] <anoite> mon pblm :
[03:54] <anoite>  nvidia api mismatch 1.0-8776 1.0-9774
[03:55] <ptifeth> (edgy)
[03:55] <anoite>  nvidia api mismatch 1.0-8776 1.0-9774 sur edgy oui merci feth :)
[03:55] <instructor> !ru
[03:55] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[03:55] <instructor> _abbenormal: ask in #ubuntu+1
[03:56] <_abbenormal> thank you
[03:57] <Tm_T> anoite: Please use english here.
[04:00] <SortOfThing> (T_T)
[04:03] <instructor> Hi nikkiana
[04:03] <nikkiana> hi
[04:05] <instructor> nikkiana: How are you this week?
[04:06] <nikkiana> instructor: not too shabby.
[04:06] <nikkiana> yourself?
[04:06] <instructor> Almost not sleepy :)
[04:07] <Luminax> ooo nice
[04:07] <Luminax> didn't know networking was this snap with kubuntu
[04:08] <ptifeth> So, I came here with anoite to see what's wrong with is nvidia config : he gots '' nvidia api mismatch 1.0-8776 1.0-9774'' with nvidia-glx kubuntu stock drivers
[04:08] <ptifeth> he gets*
[04:09] <ptifeth> whith *his :)
[04:10] <ypsila> ptifeth: are this the version numbers of the drivers?
[04:10] <ptifeth> ypsila: he's gonna tell us. Anyhow I believe he's got an up to date kubuntu...
[04:10] <ptifeth> anoite ? away ?
[04:11] <SortOfThing> ptifeth: why don't you ask on a french channel? (*joking*)
[04:11] <ypsila> ptifeth: he should use the latest, in this case the 9774
[04:11] <Jucato> afaik, Kubuntu Edgy comes only with 8776 driver (nvidia-glx)
[04:11] <instructor> nikkiana: Hows' your site?
[04:11] <DjDarkman> hy ,can someone help me with TTS?can someone tell me how to install all speech sytisizers?
[04:12] <ptifeth> therefore the mismatch  nvidia api mismatch 	1.0-8776 1.0-9774...
[04:12] <ypsila> Jucato: but you can update this via the nvidia-site
[04:12] <dennister> hello all
[04:12] <ptifeth> ypsila: the trouble is, when using the nvidia site, that you need to recompile for every kernel update
[04:13] <Jucato> ypsila: I was referring to the default one that comes with Kubuntu. the mismatch probably comes from the fact that the restricted modules that come with Kubuntu only provides for 8776 driver
[04:13] <ptifeth> Jucato: I believe you're
[04:13] <ptifeth> right
[04:15] <dennister> my problem de jeur is that I'm changing ownership/permissions of certain files, and then when I reboot, they revert back to the way they were before the mods
[04:15] <ypsila> yes, I agree, but you have to blacklist the restricted modules
[04:15] <anoite> version nvidia-glx 1.0.8776+2.6.17.6-1
[04:15] <dennister> how do I make the ownership/perms changes stick, and become permanent?
[04:16] <anoite> it's the last one
[04:16] <ptifeth> ypsila: what's the prupose of installing them, then ? (sorry i'm new tu (k)ubuntu)
[04:16] <hyper_ch> !nVidia
[04:16] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:17] <anoite> !nVidia
[04:17] <ypsila> thx hyper_ch do you still have the french wiki?
[04:18] <hyper_ch> ypsila: not really... but I did a google search for "nVidia GeForce2 GTS ubuntu"
[04:18] <ypsila> anoite: did you search for a french wiki?
[04:18] <hyper_ch> on the first or second page there was a howto in french
[04:18] <ptifeth> -of course with anoite we first tried the french howto- :)
[04:18] <anoite> yes
[04:19] <dennister> these are devices that I need to make accessible to all, and it doesn't help if changes get undone at the next reboot
[04:19] <ypsila> ptifeth: and anoite the try the DriverHowto linked above
[04:20] <ptifeth> dennister: I would try tweecking udev rules
[04:20] <hyper_ch> !fr
[04:20] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[04:20] <hyper_ch> si a va mieux pour vous
[04:20] <ptifeth> hyper_ch: we're there already, thanks anyway :)
[04:20] <instructor> DjDarkman: What?
[04:20] <ptifeth> (quite a sloppy channel, maybe it's working hours)
[04:21] <dennister> this net-splitting is driving me crazy...don't know if i'm missing answers to my questions
[04:21] <hyper_ch> Est-ce que vous avez des cartes nVidia avec legacy?
[04:21] <instructor> dennister: what are you changing the permissions on?
[04:23] <anoite> VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0393 (rev a1)
[04:23] <dennister> did i miss something during the net-splitting?
[04:23] <ypsila> dennister:  no
[04:24] <Jucato> what netsplit?
[04:24] <Jucato> there was none :)
[04:24] <instructor> dennister: what are you changing the permissions on?
[04:24] <dennister> ty; netsplitting is when there is a long pause and no answer from the irc server
[04:24] <dennister> the lirc devices
[04:24] <instructor> dennister: No that's lag
[04:24] <ptifeth> dennister: that's timeout
[04:24] <instructor> You are changing the permissions on device files?
[04:24] <dennister> heheheh...different explanations
[04:25] <dennister> yes, the lirc devices need to be accessible to all
[04:26] <dennister> I change them, reboot, and they've reverted to non-executables with only root having perm to read them
[04:28] <dennister> instructor?
[04:28] <instructor> dennister: Why are you changing them?
[04:29] <dennister> i was told to check/change them by superm1 in his reply to one of my forum posts
[04:30] <dennister> my remote isn't changing the channels on my external STB/tuner properly
[04:30] <khirr> how can i change mi xmms skin? i've coppied all in skin folder, but how i chose them?
[04:30] <hyper_ch> anoite: a marche maintenant avec nVidia?
[04:31] <grout> some of the letters in terminal are coliding, mostly M's and W's anyone know why this would happen?
[04:31] <dennister> hyper_ch: !francais
[04:31] <ptifeth> hyper_ch: not quite...
[04:31] <dennister> !francais
[04:31] <Hawkwind> khirr: Alt-S or right click on Xmms -> Options -> Skin Browser
[04:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about francais - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:31] <hyper_ch> ptifeth: what does not work?
[04:31] <Hawkwind> !fr
[04:31] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[04:31] <dennister> !french
[04:31] <||arifaX> Hi, why can't I see nothing more than my homefolder in all file open dialogs in edgy? Is this a setting somewhere?
[04:32] <dennister> ty Hawkwind :)
[04:32] <ptifeth> hyper_ch: the kubuntu official drivers
[04:32] <Hawkwind> !hidden | ||arifaX
[04:32] <ubotu> ||arifaX: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[04:32] <ptifeth> hyper_ch: we're not interesting in getting the absolute latest nvidia blobs
[04:32] <hyper_ch> ptifeth: are you sure you can use the "normal" drivers and that you don't have to use the legacy drivers?
[04:32] <||arifaX> ubotu: thank you very much
[04:32] <ptifeth> hyper_ch: anoite's PC is 2 month old...
[04:32] <dennister> Hawkwind: how do i make perm changes permanent on devices? ie my lirc...they keep reverting back to b4 the change after reboot
[04:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thank you very much - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:33] <hyper_ch> ptifeth: are those cards actually supported by the drivers? can you give me model name?
[04:33] <instructor> khirr: Alt+S
[04:33] <ptifeth> hyper_ch: btw it's a "API mismatch" error
[04:33] <Hawkwind> dennister: chmod or chown should do it unless something is told to overwrite that
[04:33] <khirr> thans
[04:33] <dennister> i thought i'd finally almost-mastered perms :(
[04:34] <ptifeth> anoite: do you have the model name ?
[04:34] <hyper_ch> ptifeth: what model is it exactely?
[04:34] <ptifeth> lspci says 0393
[04:35] <hyper_ch> ptifeth: please post everthing from this output:   lspci | grep nVidia
[04:35] <arriesp> xao gente
[04:35] <ptifeth> hyper_ch: see higher : VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0393 (rev a1)
[04:36] <ptifeth> geforce 7300 GT
[04:36] <ptifeth> ouf
[04:36] <dennister> Hawkwind: i've done the chowning and chmoding, but something must be telling it to overwrite it
[04:36] <dennister> I have no idea what
[04:37] <ptifeth> dennister: do you have udev ? udev daemon may manage your permission according to your will
[04:37] <hyper_ch> ptifeth: edgy? dapper?
[04:37] <ptifeth> hyper_ch: edgy
[04:37] <ptifeth> 2.6.17-?
[04:37] <instructor> dennister: Device files are fake files
[04:37] <Napa> I get following error message: You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.!! But no programs are running as I can see
[04:38] <instructor> dennister: You can delete the entire folder they will be recreated on reboot
[04:38] <dennister> ijm u di gave udev...guess I don't know how to use that yet...that will make perms changes permanent?
[04:39] <instructor> !adept-fix
[04:39] <dennister> oops...*I do have udev
[04:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:39] <ptifeth> Napa: lsof /var/lib/dpkg/
[04:39] <instructor> !adept fix
[04:39] <ubotu> adept: package management suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB
[04:39] <grout> some of the letters in terminal are coliding, mostly M's and W's anyone know why this would happen?
[04:39] <dennister> something new to learn, lol
[04:40] <loran> newbie question: how do i replace grub?
[04:40] <instructor> !grub
[04:40] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:40] <ptifeth> dennister: udev creates nodes in /dev according to rules you specify. There is ahowto somewhere on the net
[04:41] <Napa> ptifeth: nothing happend .. and I'm still get the same message when I try to enter Adept
[04:41] <dennister> ptifeth: ty...i will look it up...already searched in ubuntu documentation
[04:41] <ptifeth> Napa: lsof is going to tell you what processes use the directory. You might want to try lsof /var/lib/dpkg//* instead
[04:41] <Napa>  !adept fix
[04:41] <ubotu> adept: package management suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB
[04:42] <Napa> ptifeth: That did not work either
[04:42] <fdoving> !adept crash fix
[04:42] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[04:42] <ptifeth> dennister: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
[04:42] <outline> nl'ers hier??
[04:42] <hyper_ch> !nVidia
[04:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:42] <fdoving> !nl | outline
[04:42] <ubotu> outline: Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[04:42] <outline> thx
[04:43] <Napa> ubotu helped me :D
[04:43] <ptifeth> Napa: then I am sorry but cannot help you much apart that a reboot would be the quick n dirty solution
[04:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about helped me :D - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:43] <Napa> ptifeth: this one solved the problem: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:43] <dennister> ty again ptifeth
[04:44] <ptifeth> Napa: quick and clean :)
[04:44] <hyper_ch> ptifeth: I don't see the 7300 GT on the supported list... only GE and GS
[04:45] <ptifeth> hyper_ch: kind of a shame :(
[04:45] <hyper_ch> ptifeth: http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8762/README/appendix-a.html
[04:45] <UQlev> hello! did anyone have a problem viewing faxes (standard resolution) in tiff format? My kfax distort the page
[04:45] <hyper_ch> ptifeth: how did you try to install the card?
[04:46] <ptifeth> hyper_ch: anoite followed the howto's guidelines
[04:46] <ptifeth> hyper_ch: he had it working in dapper, but never with edgy
[04:46] <Napa> what is the kubuntu command similar do DEB in Ubuntu?
[04:47] <hyper_ch> ptifeth: strange... well, I'm not an expert myself
[04:47] <instructor> Is Kubuntu's screensaver still broken?
[04:47] <ptifeth> hyper_ch: but you're helping, that's something already :)
[04:48] <hyper_ch> <-- linux noob
[04:48] <hyper_ch> ptifeth: I just like to pretend knowing lots :)
[04:48] <dennister> bye for now pps...the learning never stops :)
[04:49] <instructor> hyper_ch: you'll do well in Linux :)
[04:49] <hyper_ch> ptifeth: howabout removing all of the nvidia stuff, restoring the original xorg.conf and then start over?
[04:49] <Bubba_Gump> heh
[04:50] <ptifeth> hyper_ch: that's the current config
[04:50] <hyper_ch> ptifeth: well, are all nvidia packages removed?
[04:50] <ptifeth> hyper_ch: not sure... quite a good ideau to purge thel
[04:50] <ptifeth> them
[04:51] <hyper_ch> ptifeth: and then:  sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) nvidia-glx
[04:52] <harmental> why does the menus or certain apps (xemacs for instance) look so aswfully ugly in linux?
[04:53] <Tm_T> harmental: ?
[04:53] <hyper_ch> harmental: beauty lies in the eye of the watcher
[04:53] <ubuntu> !chroot
[04:53] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[04:53] <hyper_ch> not lies but lays
[04:53] <Tm_T> harmental: mind to take a shot so I see what you see?
[04:53] <harmental> Tm_T: ok...
[04:53] <Jucato> "lies" was correct
[04:54] <Tm_T> hyper_ch: My eyes usually lies.
[04:54] <hyper_ch> Tm_T: they don't lie... they just aren't quick enough :)
[04:55] <Tm_T> When I look myself in the mirror, I often scream to my eyes "Liar!!".
[04:55] <Tm_T> Because I can't be that good looking.
[04:55] <Tm_T> ;)
[04:56] <hyper_ch> Tm_T: you should not look at the poster of Brad Pitt and think it's a mirror
[04:56] <hyper_ch> ;)
[04:56] <Tm_T> hyper_ch: Hrr, why him?!
[04:56] <Napa> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?    - What is this?
[04:56] <hyper_ch> Tm_T: because I look like him *gggg*
[04:56] <hyper_ch> Napa: what did you do?
[04:57] <Napa> hyper_ch: : tried to install Wine
[04:57] <harmental> ok..where can i post the screenshots
[04:57] <Tm_T> Napa: That means you have multiple apt applications running.
[04:57] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | Napa
[04:57] <ubotu> Napa: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[04:57] <harmental> Tm_T
[04:58] <Tm_T> !paste
[04:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:58] <hyper_ch> !nVidia | hyper_ch
[04:58] <ubotu> hyper_ch: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:58] <Tm_T> Dunno if that still takes images.
[04:58] <hyper_ch> that's cool... didn't know about the piping
[04:58] <instructor> Great
[04:59] <instructor> I'm on Edgy and too lazy to compile marble
[04:59] <hyper_ch> instructor: you could someone else let it compile for you :)
[05:00] <instructor> Then what would be the fun of compilling it
[05:00] <harmental> Tm_T: i can only insert text
[05:00] <Tm_T> harmental: Then imageshack.us, but I think I already know what you mean.
[05:01] <Napa> !wine
[05:01] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[05:02] <DjDarkman> can someone tell me how to install the Hadifix tts syntesizer?
[05:02] <harmental> here you go
[05:02] <harmental> http://img482.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xemacsmenuspm4.png
[05:02] <Dr_willis> !info hadifix
[05:02] <ubotu> Package hadifix does not exist in any distro I know
[05:02] <Dr_willis> !find hadifix
[05:02] <ubotu> Package/file hadifix does not exist in edgy
[05:03] <Dr_willis> DjDarkman,  if its not in the repos. You may need to use the source and compile it.
[05:03] <Napa>  deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main   <--- Isn't this an consoll command?
[05:03] <Dr_willis> Napa,  No.
[05:03] <Dr_willis> thats a 'source/repo' entry for the apt.sources file
[05:03] <Dr_willis> !apt
[05:03] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[05:03] <harmental> Tm_T: another one...
[05:03] <harmental> http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/2245/rcmdrvh6.png
[05:04] <harmental> do u know what i mean?
[05:04] <harmental> Tm_T:
[05:04] <Tm_T> That's normal for those apps.
[05:05] <Tm_T> harmental: Think it this way, if you move some ye'old Win95 app to WinXP, it's as ugly as it was back then.
[05:05] <harmental> Tm_T: actually that was my question
[05:05] <Tm_T> Heh, I thought something else.
[05:05] <Tm_T> root_: Errr.
[05:05] <instructor> DjDarkman: What's that?
[05:05] <harmental> xemacs looks much better on windows than it does on linux...thats a fact
[05:06] <DjDarkman> it`s a Text To Speech synthesizer
[05:06] <instructor> Napa: need some help
[05:06] <instructor> DjDarkman: ah need drivers?
[05:06] <instructor> napa: Or not :(
[05:07] <DjDarkman> no ,it`s just a TTS system
[05:07] <instructor> DjDarkman: ah right software :). Do you have a package for it?
[05:08] <DjDarkman> no ,I would need it ,because it has hungarian language too
[05:10] <instructor> DjDarkman: Where did you hear/findout about/use hadifix?
[05:10] <DjDarkman> kttsd
[05:11] <DjDarkman> when I try to add hungarian ,it shows me that I need Hadifix
[05:11] <DjDarkman> http://www.ikp.uni-bonn.de/dt/forsch/phonetik/hadifix/HADIFIXforMBROLA.html
[05:11] <DjDarkman> I`m triing to compile it
[05:17] <instructor> DjDarkman: Let us know how it goes
[05:18] <DjDarkman> ok ,I`m trying to learn how it works myself ,it would be wounderfull if they would be included in the ubuntu repos ,TTS is a very usefull thing
[05:21] <Dr_willis> lots of things could be usefull if included in the repos. :)
[05:23] <Stardog> !.ogg
[05:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:24] <Stardog> amarok wont play  .ogg files... why?
[05:24] <Tm_T> Stardog: It should just fine.
[05:25] <Stardog> so there maybe some filedamage then?
[05:26] <Dink> Anyone successful in installing any version of ubuntu on the ps3 ?? Was trying and looks like kboot only likes FC
[05:27] <ptifeth> see you
[05:28] <Dr_willis> Dink,  seen an artical of ps3+linux being sold on ebay allready.
[05:28] <Dr_willis> Not that i have a ps3..  or plan on gettin gone...
[05:31] <DjDarkman> I`ve read the help files on additional languages for KTTSD ,and it gave me this link http://tcts.fpms.ac.be/synthesis/mbrola/mbrtts.html
[05:32] <Dink> i  know YDL is coming out with one
[05:32] <Dink> and you can install FC on it
[05:33] <Dink> Just waiting for someone to find a way to do ubuntu
[05:36] <instructor> DjDarkman: Send in a request
[05:36] <instructor> Stardog: grab one for the ~/Examples folder and see what it does
[05:37] <instructor> Dink: how does that work?
[05:37] <instructor> are you overwriting the Sony Os?
[05:37] <Dink> no there is an option to install "other os"
[05:37] <Dink> its like a dual boot
[05:38] <instructor> Seriously
[05:38] <instructor> ?
[05:38] <Dink> Right now FC5 works with it
[05:38] <instructor> 0_0o
[05:38] <instructor> That's crazy
[05:38] <mhterres> Riddell: hi
[05:38] <instructor> What does Kubuntu do?
[05:38] <Dink> i think people at gentoo working on one... and its been said that any PPC version should work and i know ubuntu has one
[05:39] <instructor> Where does Kubuntu fail?
[05:39] <Dink> what you mean ?
[05:39] <mhterres> Riddell: if you had some time, I'd like to talk to you
[05:39] <delight> Konqueror in edgy is not showing info pages
[05:40] <Dink> as in installing kubuntu on the ps3 ?
[05:40] <instructor> Yes
[05:40] <delight> like info:chmod is not working for me
[05:40] <delight> is that a known problem ?
[05:40] <Riddell> mhterres: ok
[05:40] <delight> i got the info pages installed cause in terminal i can "info chmod" or "info emacs" etc.
[05:40] <Dink> well right now you need to use kboot to install your OS and I cant figure out how to install kubuntu with it.. From the looks you can only do FC
[05:41] <delight> but info:XYZ is not working in konqueror for me in edgy
[05:41] <mhterres> Riddell: if you won't mind, in private ok ? I'll send you a msg, and when you got time, answer me please
[05:41] <instructor> Dink: so there isn't an option for Kubuntu??
[05:41] <Dink> no
[05:41] <Riddell> mhterres: if it's necessary to be private yes
[05:42] <mhterres> Riddell: It's not a specific Kubuntu issue, it's an invite
[05:42] <instructor> Dink: That's far more sucky than I thought it would be :(
[05:42] <Dink> im sure there is a way but im not that smart ;)
[05:43] <ctx144k_> hello all, im new in kubuntu6.10 (but have used gnu/linux many years)...  so my question:  konqueror shows only some directorys if i go tto /
[05:43] <instructor> Dink: Someone was doing it earlier
[05:43] <ctx144k_> the complete root-path is invisible...  how is knoqueror known what directory is invisible, and what is visible
[05:44] <DjDarkman> instructor: I`m trying to find out how these things work ,where can I send a request?
[05:44] <Dink> You remember who ?
[05:44] <ctx144k_> i mounted a own partition to /Own  - that issnt invisible
[05:44] <instructor> Launchpad
[05:44] <instructor> !launchpad
[05:44] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[05:45] <instructor> !hidden | ctx144k_
[05:45] <ubotu> ctx144k_: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[05:45] <instructor> Dink: They just logged out
[05:46] <instructor> Dink: It doesn't have any DVR stuff does it? :(
[05:47] <ctx144k_> ubotu, ok ill look for it... the idea is perhaps great...  dont know yet... but must first understand how does it work
[05:48] <Dr_willis> ctx144k_,  yourefering to the hidden dirs in / ?
[05:48] <Dr_willis> !hidden
[05:48] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[05:49] <ctx144k_> sorry my english issent good, what u mean?
[05:49] <typecast> instructor: thank you for the link. i have been looking for days for an explanation for the strange behavior of my kde-apps :D
[05:49] <Dr_willis> heh ok. bot allready showed ya. :) its a nice feature for people/users that dont need to get confused by /etc /usr  whatever
[05:49] <instructor> typecast: Should have asked :)
[05:49] <ctx144k_> yes, its nice
[05:49] <instructor> Dr_willis: terrible for people who expect them there :)
[05:49] <Dr_willis> ctx144k_,  its just a feature to hide some of the system dirs from the file/dialogs/addressbars. you can still enter the full address
[05:49] <typecast> instructor: yes :)
[05:49] <ctx144k_> bnut i must understand how its works
[05:50] <Dr_willis> so the fact that /etc/ is hidden dont matter much to me. I just type /etc/whatever in the address bar
[05:50] <ctx144k_> cause i cant understand cause "sudo mkdir /TEST " isbe shown in kde
[05:50] <instructor> ctx144k_: It has a file called .hidden
[05:50] <instructor> ctx144k_: it only works for graphical apps like konqueror
[05:50] <ctx144k_> where is the file?
[05:50] <instructor> in / I think
[05:51] <ctx144k_> ahh nice :)
[05:51] <ctx144k_> merci :)
[05:51] <Dr_willis> yes its in  /.hidden the bot url tells ya about it
[05:51] <ctx144k_> yes i understand :)
[05:51] <ctx144k_> a nice idea
[05:51] <ctx144k_> what i need as poweruser seeing /etc if im a user? :)
[05:52] <Dr_willis> Its not a 'per user' setting.
[05:52] <ctx144k_> if i need that i use "konsole" and ls/vim *g
[05:52] <Dr_willis> of coruse a real power user knows to just  type in /etc/whatever in the file dialogs/address bars. :)
[05:52] <Dr_willis> so it all depends on what ya want to do.
[05:54] <ctx144k_> yes, but a real poweruser diont use kde for go inthat :)
[05:54] <harmental> how do i set the real root bakground?
[06:08] <fjellrev1> Anyone here have any problems with the color sampler? especially with the one within the wallpaper selector for the desktop..when I sample something it allways turns out darkblue
[06:10] <raul> alguien podria ayudarme, deseo tener aceleracion grafica
[06:10] <raul> mi trarjeta video es sis 650 651 m650
[06:11] <raul> aceleracion grafica 3d
[06:11] <malandrvjs> how can share a file on network with kubuntu
[06:11] <malandrvjs> ?
[06:18] <_Kiruwa> malandrvjs: what operating system are you trying to share it with?
[06:18] <Luminax> say... does kubuntu automatically config the samba server ?
[06:18] <Luminax> I don't remember networking it with my windows machine
[06:18] <_Kiruwa> malandrvjs: fish (with an ssh server), or samba (for windows) usually work pretty well
[06:20] <_Kiruwa> Luminax: hmm... apparently it is enabled
[06:20] <_Kiruwa> the control panel "Sharing" doesn't seem to be working for me though :/
[06:20] <Luminax> hmmm
[06:21] <Luminax> I think I configured the folder sharing in my windows machine incorrectly
[06:21] <Luminax> some folders are asking for password
[06:22] <gupta> when I insert a new removeable hardware(pen drive/camcorder/harddisk)
[06:22] <gupta> how do I know which /dev/* device it pints at
[06:22] <gupta> like I discovered my pendrive is at /dev/sda1
[06:23] <gupta> how to know where the camcorder will pe present
[06:23] <gupta> lsusb gives > Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04a9:30a5 Canon, Inc.
[06:24] <instructor> _Kiruwa: You have to install Samba to get sharing to work
[06:24] <nidal>  Hi all , I have installed lives_0.9.6-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb on kubuntu dapper and when I try to start it from the console using the command "lives" its not starting ; it just hangs and gives some X error messages like follows
[06:25] <nidal>  X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[06:25] <nidal> Failed to open device
[06:25] <nidal> anybody, any idea ? please
[06:25] <instructor>  Wat's lives?
[06:26] <nidal> its a video editing software in linux
[06:26] <nidal> a FLOSS one
[06:26] <XeroCurve> Hello all (noob)
[06:27] <nidal> http://lives.sourceforge.net/index.php?do=downloads
[06:28] <XeroCurve> Are there any modem experts in the room =)
[06:28] <CVirus> XeroCurve: just ask your question
[06:28] <CVirus> whoever knows the answer, will answer you
[06:29] <gupta> !camcorder
[06:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about camcorder - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:29] <gupta> !camera
[06:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about camera - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:29] <XeroCurve> Well not sure what question to ask really , im really new at this and the stuff ive been reading makes it seem like there really is no good support for getting modems working, are there any really good How Tos that anyone knows of?
[06:30] <iarwain> hiya people, does anyone know how to get my wifi working? (i'm on a dell XPS, and know jack about wifi)
[06:31] <XeroCurve> All i know is that ive ran scanModem and i have a Conexant HSF modem and supposedly you can get this one to work but im at a loss on whats next.
[06:32] <iarwain> hmm, problem is, i'm on windows atm. Internet on linux doesn't really work..
[06:32] <iarwain> i do have knetwork manager installed, and i see my wifi AP, but it always says "connetion failed.."
[06:49] <XeroCurve> I assume that no reply means noone knows the answer. If I am wrong let me know. This is my first time on this =)
[06:52] <LjL> !modem | XeroCurve, i wouldn't call this "good" though unfortunately
[06:52] <ubotu> XeroCurve, i wouldn't call this "good" though unfortunately: You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[06:52] <Dr_willis> when in doubt check the ubuntu/kubuntu wiki/forums for your specifc device.
[06:53] <XeroCurve> I have its just that those docs seem to be over my head, like most ones that i have read, even when i get something working im not sure what i did that made it that way XD
[06:53] <Dr_willis> blame the modem makers for deciding to put 3/4 of their modems in software.
[06:53] <Dr_willis> and not releasing specs. :)
[06:54] <XeroCurve> Is there such thing as a LOWER than noobie forum like a NEWBORN users forum, lol
[06:54] <LeeJunFan> 3/4 is a conservative estimate I think. :(
[06:55] <LjL> XeroCurve, the issue is not which forum you choose, the issue is that getting support for soft-modem is simply hard
[06:55] <Dr_willis> I aint used dialup in proberly 6+ years...
[06:55] <Dr_willis> just identifying the chipset in the modem can be a hassle.
[06:55] <instructor> LjL: Nice abuse of ubotu :)
[06:56] <XeroCurve> Me either but this is for a friend that is still on dial up and they want to try ubuntu.
[06:56] <Dr_willis> then ya got companies that have the same 'name' modem - but they change the chipset and call it version 3.1 vs the older 3.0 ...
[06:56] <LjL> instructor hehe
[06:56] <wilman> 1 i want to play midi files 2 i cant 3 what do i do now?
[06:56] <Dr_willis> amarok can play midi i think.
[06:56] <LjL> !midi | wilman
[06:56] <ubotu> wilman: Trouble playing MIDI files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[06:57] <Dr_willis> when in doubt check the ubuntu/kubuntu wiki/forums for your specifc question. :)
[06:57] <LeeJunFan> I haven't played a midi file in about as long as I haven't used dial-up :)
[06:57] <wilman> :P
[06:57] <wilman> haha
[06:57] <wilman> but iam a amateur musician
[06:58] <james> how come i can't open the cdtray manually without first dismounting the cd ?
[06:58] <Dr_willis> james,  because thats how it works. :)
[06:58] <LeeJunFan> james: it's locked so you can't accidentally remove it while in use.
[06:58] <Dr_willis> what if somthing is reading the cd as you force it out...
[06:58] <james> well i can type a script to eject the cd
[06:58] <LjL> wilman, hardware MIDI support can be a hassle to get to work in Linux. you might want to try Timidity as the howto suggests, since anyway it gives you more freedom over how to play MIDI files than your soundcard's synthesizer can't, and if you have a fast processor, the performance impact shouldn't be too bad
[06:58] <Dr_willis> type a script.. you mean use a command line command?
[06:58] <LjL> "eject" ejects, normally
[06:58] <james> i even have my keyboard configured to eject the cd
[06:58] <wilman> ok
[06:58] <LeeJunFan> james: in windows if you did that you'd get those irritating pop-up's that there's no CD in the tray, and no matter how many times you hit retry,abort,cancel they won't go away.
[06:59] <wilman> thx
[06:59] <james> well thanks for the quick response
[06:59] <LjL> LeeJunFan: in AmigaOS you'd get a requester that gently asks you "Please insert volume SomeDisk in any drive" ;_P
[06:59] <Dr_willis> Theres a setting to eject on umount also some where...
[06:59] <nagyv> hello! I do not have sounds under firefox/flash! What should I set up? As I know I have the newest flash plugin installed. (I use dapper)
[07:00] <LjL> or replace, or if it wass writing when you ejected (not the case of a CD), "You MUST replace volume..."
[07:00] <james> well actually when you eject cd in windowsxp it ejects the cd and no warnings
[07:01] <LjL> nagyv: https://help.ubuntu.com/5.10/ubuntu/faq/C/fg-troubleshooting.html#id2547666
[07:01] <Dr_willis> ive had cd's get locked under XP. :)
[07:01] <Dr_willis> silly things..
[07:01] <james> hmm
[07:01] <LjL> james: yeah they've made it a bit better in XP
[07:01] <Dr_willis> I like when it opens the cd tray, then closes it on your fingers...
[07:01] <LjL> heh
[07:01] <LeeJunFan> Dr_willis: usually it's the whole system that locks, not just the CD.
[07:01] <Dr_willis> 'it attacked me!'
[07:01] <LjL> i like it when it ejects the disc while it's still spinning :-\
[07:01] <LjL> though i guess that's the drive's fault
[07:01] <Dr_willis> heh heh and it flys across the room.
[07:01] <LjL> sometimes it's spinning *fast*, though!
[07:01] <Dr_willis> sort of a hovercraft
[07:02] <LjL> yeah i'm not entirely sure that's compliant with security standards, but anyway
[07:02] <LjL> safety even
[07:06] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. at one time KDE showed my audio cd's with mp3 and otehr neat 'special' dirs.. but not now..
[07:07] <silvania> Anyone know why wine is messed up beyond all recall on ubuntu 6.10?
[07:08] <Dr_willis> Ive had no problems with wine under 6.10
[07:09] <silvania> fps in wow is like 0.02
[07:09] <silvania> yes 0.!
[07:10] <Dr_willis> so...
[07:10] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:10] <silvania> before it was 40-60 fps
[07:10] <Dr_willis> that sounds about right.
[07:11] <Dr_willis> Its possible that the WoW guys did some silly update.
[07:11] <silvania> after i upgraded to 6.10 its all messed up
[07:11] <silvania> nope
[07:11] <Dr_willis> Id heard WoW Banned most of  the WIne/Cedega users in the game.
[07:11] <Dr_willis> But dident see much mention of that other then a single news 'site'
[07:11] <silvania> its same version
[07:12] <silvania> its just wine that desided to kill FPS a ton
[07:12] <Dr_willis> check your 3d stuff, be sure its working. I always do clean installs.. never upgrades.. ive had no wine issues.. but then again  - i gave up on WoW and games a long time ago.
[07:12] <silvania> can't find out how
[07:12] <silvania> 3d works fine
[07:13] <silvania> its just that the wine that follows along the updates is messed up or something
[07:13] <silvania> cause cedega works just fine with wow
[07:13] <teledyn_> anyone know a utility to unape a .ape  ?
[07:17] <Dr_willis> teledyn_,  thats a new one.
[07:18] <teledyn_> i just found an answer: http://gimpel.gi.funpic.de/wiki/index.php?title=Howto:convert_ape_to_wav/mp3/ogg_on_Linux
[07:20] <james> so the problem / question is this i am running kubuntu edgy so there is no command right-click to unmount cd  but there is an eject option so i can not manually eject the cd is that right?
[07:20] <Dr_willis> and here i was thinking ape was a compressed archive. :)
[07:20] <Dr_willis> eject unmounts and then ejects - i recall
[07:21] <teledyn_> what a ridiculous project name eh?  mac
[07:21] <james> but i still cannot hit the physical button on the cd tray to eject it
[07:21] <|lostbyte|> How are the folders hidden in edgy ?
[07:21] <teledyn_> james: type "sudo eject" in a console.  works every time
[07:21] <LjL> james: no, that's right, you can't do that
[07:21] <|lostbyte|> The /etc/ /dev/ ..etc..
[07:21] <|lostbyte|> in konqueror.
[07:21] <Dr_willis> james,   normally you unmount the thing, then hit the button.
[07:22] <Dr_willis> !hidden
[07:22] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[07:22] <Dr_willis> |lostbyte|,  in a very simple /.hidden config file. :)
[07:22] <james> the only way to do that is a script correct?
[07:22] <LjL> james - if you can find a way to detect the pressing of the CD tray button from a script... then i suppose
[07:23] <Dr_willis> Ive never felt the need to hit that button. I always right click/eject.
[07:23] <Dr_willis> hard to hit the button on a slot loaded cd drive. :)
[07:23] <|lostbyte|> Dr_willis, nice :)
[07:23] <james> well if i am trying to sell the benefits of linux to a new user this seems like a drawback
[07:23] <Dr_willis> james,  trivial differances... if they are that worried about such things... give up and let them keep their spyware/viruses...
[07:24] <trappist> I wonder how cedega does it - it monitors and detects pressing the button, and umounts and ejects... while still somehow running stuff from the drive
[07:24] <Dr_willis> now THOSE are big differances.
[07:24] <LjL> james, MacOS always worked that way. few Mac people complained about it ;)
[07:24] <james> ok
[07:24] <fdoving> james: you can unlock the cdrom, that way you can hit the button when you feel like, and it will open.
[07:24] <Dr_willis> trappist,  yea.. the whole auto-mounting of stuff can be a big 'user friendly' nightmare... give me an icon to mount and one to unmount!
[07:24] <LjL> it's just slightly different... you hit a tray button on Windows, you hit a mouse/keyboard button on Mac/Linux. not a big deal IMHO
[07:24] <james> how do you unlock the cdrom?
[07:24] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:24] <Dr_willis> now THATS logic!
[07:25] <LjL> heh
[07:25] <LjL> !info setcd | james, you might want to look at this
[07:25] <ubotu> setcd: Control the behaviour of your cdrom device. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5-3 (edgy), package size 12 kB, installed size 60 kB
[07:25] <james> thanks
[07:25] <LjL> note that, even if with that thing you manage to unlock the tray button, the kernel will probably panic out if you do eject a cd while it's mounted
[07:26] <trappist> still, I think the physical button on the cdrom drive should take precedence, even over root.
[07:26] <LjL> trappist: the story i heard was that it wasn't easy to detect pressing of that button. dunno if it's true
[07:26] <trappist> LjL: all kinds of filesystems suddenly disappear without being umounted
[07:26] <trappist> remote ones, floppies, usb sticks, etc.
[07:26] <LjL> Windows solves it by simply leaving the drive unlocked, and then worrying about what happens if the CD is ejected while it's mounted/being read (i.e. BSOD, before XP ;-)
[07:27] <trappist> I wonder (again) how cedega does it
[07:27] <LjL> trappist: they do but they shouldn't - if you don't unmount a floppy or USB stick or remote share before taking it out, you're looking for trouble (at least if you've been writing on it)
[07:27] <wedgeV> LjL: windows never BSOD when removing a cd
[07:27] <trappist> pre-this-cedega-feature it sure was hard to install multi-cd games
[07:27] <LjL> wedgeV: yes it does.
[07:27] <wedgeV> never did for me
[07:28] <LjL> doesn't mean it never does.
[07:28] <trappist> LjL: only if you're writing to em... and cdroms are, as the name implies, read-only
[07:28] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i think LjLis right, mounting / unmounting in windows was awful
[07:28] <LjL> XP doesn't, or at least it shouldn't - about 2000 i'm not sure, IIRC sometimes it does. 98 and 95 definitely do
[07:28] <LjL> it's not (usually) a BSOD that means reset, mind you
[07:29] <Dr_willis> ive had windows BSOD when you look at it funny...
[07:29] <LjL> heh
[07:29] <LjL> anyway mounting and unmounting in Kubuntu is awful as well IMHO. i mean, i should *know* when the stupid USB key has finished being written to
[07:29] <LjL> fortunately, it's god a LED that tells me. but what if it didn't?
[07:29] <LjL> s/god/got/
[07:29] <Dr_willis> onluy time i use the cd drive button. is when its empty to insert a disk.
[07:30] <trappist> LjL: didn't that used to work correctly?  like as recently as dapper?
[07:30] <Dr_willis> You can always set the devices to sync/write but i guess that can slow things down.
[07:30] <zorglu_> q. i would like to enable a service (chargen and discard) in xinetd, where should i look ?
[07:30] <trappist> Dr_willis: also wears out the drive
[07:30] <Dr_willis> That remindes me - i need to track down an IDE to 'compact flash' or whatever converter for my laptop.
[07:31] <LjL> trappist, in Dapper, i did have some feedback, in the form of a "file transfer" window (without a working progress bar, however) that did not go away after hitting "Safely remove" until the write was finished. in Edgy, i just get nothing
[07:31] <trappist> LjL: umount won't return you to the prompt until it's done
[07:31] <trappist> as a workaround
[07:32] <luca> hi
[07:32] <luca> i'm an italian user
[07:32] <fdoving> trappist: you can use 'umount -l'
[07:32] <LjL> even that was terribly feedback however - how's an user supposed to know that such a cryptic file transfer window means "don't even think about plugging it out"? especially considering that, with Linux's caching, the time between unmounting and end-of-write can be *long*
[07:32] <trappist> zorglu_: sudo apt-get install xinetd... it comes with files for chargen and discard
[07:32] <luca> please give me italian channel for kubuntu help
[07:32] <zorglu_> trappist: ok thanks
[07:32] <fdoving> !it | luca
[07:32] <ubotu> luca: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[07:32] <trappist> fdoving: yeah, but I was using umount so I'd know when it was really done :)  I didn't want it to umount prematurely
[07:32] <luca> thanks
[07:32] <luca> ;P
[07:33] <LjL> trappist: i know - well, i know because you mentioned this some days ago, i think. myself i just wait until the LED goes out. i mean, myself i don't mind it, since i know when to unplug - i'm just saying this shouldn't be the way it is
[07:33] <trappist> fdoving: I use it all the time for misbehaving smb/nfs mounts though
[07:33] <trappist> LjL: I don't have any USB ports in the front, so it's a real pain for me to watch the LEDs
[07:33] <trappist> LjL: agreed
[07:33] <trappist> LjL: I'm pretty sure it's a bug, not a design decision
[07:34] <trappist> I mean *surely*
[07:34] <instructor> Dink: ping
[07:34] <trappist> it's filed as a bug, anyway
[07:34] <james> thanks again
[07:34] <LjL> trappist: i don't either. but i have a cable - get one, it's nicer than hitting your head against the wall multiple times and scratching your neck while trying to plug the darn thing in :)
[07:34] <trappist> LjL: yeah, and while I'm at it maybe a hub... I have more usb devices than holes to plug em in
[07:35] <fdoving> james: you can try http://easylinux.wordpress.com/tag/multimedia/page/2/
[07:35] <james> actually didn't help but learned something
[07:35] <LjL> well if you need it, yeah, i don't even think a hub really costs more than a cable
[07:35] <james> bye
[07:37] <LjL> trappist: another related thing is... caching is nice, alright. but there's really too much of it used on removable drives on Linux! maybe writes end up being a bit faster than on Windows (but i doubt a smaller cache would make much of a difference, really), but it's really not acceptable IMHO to wait > 5 minutes between hitting "Eject" and unplugging  -  *whether* there is a warning meanwhile or not
[07:38] <trappist> LjL: from what I hear, caching not only speeds up the writes but also extends the life of the device
[07:38] <LjL> IIRC Windows uses a special caching policy for removable media, which can be set in the hardware properties window
[07:39] <LjL> trappist, makes sense when it's a flash device. but really, you can't have to wait 5 minutes or more, that's just unacceptable. i'm not saying *no* cache, but it should be tuned so that, at most, you wait 20 seconds or so
[07:39] <LjL> i don't believe a cache that "only" stores data for the next 20 seconds of writes (well, it depends on the speed of the device also, of course) can be that bad
[07:40] <trappist> LjL: I've never had to wait anywhere near that long, but yeah, that's pretty lame
[07:40] <LjL> maybe Windows errs on the other side: no or very little caching. but there has to be a middle ground
[07:40] <Dr_willis> considering how i have usb remoiveable drives/devices that range from 128mb to 300GB...... :)
[07:40] <LjL> trappist: well perhaps my USB key is especially slow
[07:40] <Dr_willis> its hard to tell what to do.
[07:40] <crube> Can anyone give me a quick tip on how to get my 2 extra mouse buttons to work in Kubuntu? Not that important, just wondering if it's possible.
[07:41] <LjL> Dr_willis, just a thought - what about a cache that auto-adjusts itself after detecting the device's writing speed during the first few seconds of (actual) writing?
[07:41] <zorglu_> q. what is the dpkg command to get all the files included in a already installed .deb ?
[07:41] <Dr_willis> crube,  check the ubuntu wiki/forums - also ive foung the GENTOO forums/wikis have a large section of mouse-button-configurations
[07:41] <fdoving> zorglu_: dpkg -L packagename
[07:41] <instructor> crube: Check the forums :)
[07:41] <LjL> Dr_willis: i.e., when you issue a write, the system starts writing actual data for 1 second or so. when it's determined the device's speed, it stops writing to the actual device and starts using an appropriately-sized cache
[07:41] <zorglu_> fdoving: thanks
[07:41] <crube> Alrighty. I'll check it out Dr_willis
[07:42] <Dr_willis> LjL,  over my skill level. :)
[07:42] <Dr_willis> i rarely use removeble media  then my PSP memory card.
[07:42] <Dr_willis> mount, copy over porn.. ^H^H^H^H movies... umount...
[07:42] <mefisto_> does x create a log file when it starts up?
[07:42] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:43] <instructor> on your SP?
[07:43] <instructor> PSP?
[07:43] <_Kiruwa> mefisto_: yes... /var/log/Xorg.0.log is probably what you're looking for
[07:43] <instructor> Wonder why Kubuntu won't install on a PS3
[07:44] <mefisto_> thanks _Kiruwa, that's what I'm looking for
[07:44] <LjL> Dr_willis: it's over my level too, i was just wondering whether it's a reasonable idea in principle
[07:45] <Dr_willis> go ask Linus :)
[07:45] <Dr_willis> but hes proberly got other things on the front burner.
[07:46] <Dr_willis> Like tweaking the kernel for the PS3
[07:46] <LjL> moarf
[07:46] <instructor> Dr_willis: I thought IBm did that already :)
[07:47] <Dr_willis> I wonder how cheap Xbox's are now..
[07:47] <Dr_willis> that'd be a cheaper linux pc for me then a PS3
[07:47] <Dr_willis> heh
[07:47] <LjL> could use one as an amiga box :P
[07:48] <Dr_willis> if i had a use for an amiga box. :)
[07:48] <Dr_willis> I never did get that amiga emulator working on the dreamcast i have.
[07:48] <LjL> uhm... well, they're useful
[07:48] <LjL> you can... well
[07:49] <LjL> scala multimedia? =)
[07:49] <Dr_willis> I still want CanDo for Linux. :)
[07:50] <Dr_willis> Heh - whatever happened to.. err.. Kylix? wasent it called?
[07:50] <Dr_willis> ack - work time for me.. byeee....
[07:51] <LjL> aw, pity, i was just looking up the CanDo equivalent i didn't remember the package name of
[07:54] <storm> Oi
[07:55] <zorglu_> q. i got a weird sshd listening on tcp 127.0.0.1 6010 withoud me explicitly configuring it, anybody with an idea of what is it ?
[07:55] <Dink> instructor, ??
[07:55] <instructor> Dink: I was asking if the PS3 has a DVR feature?
[07:56] <Dink> DVR ?
[07:58] <instructor> Dink: can it save TV on the hard drive?
[07:58] <bthibault> does anybody know what i need for the restricted copyright repo?
[07:58] <Dink> the ps3 alone no, but you can use a linux porgram to do so
[07:58] <instructor> Dink: that's what I was thinking
[07:59] <instructor> Dink: Its' the PS3 menu that gives you access to install the Linux Os so you can boot it up into MythTV mode or SP3 mode?
[07:59] <Dink> you would probably have to use like mythtv
[07:59] <instructor> PS3
[07:59] <Dink> you would have to boot into linux to do so
[08:00] <instructor> Right.. now to see if any distros are going to take the plunge to tune stuff for the ps3
[08:00] <Dink> there is an option on the PS3 for default os
[08:00] <instructor> and make some killer 10 ft interface Distro
[08:00] <Dink> well FC, gentoo, ydl already have
[08:00] <instructor> Man I need to steal Umm I mean ... play with one
[08:01] <Dink> basically any PPC distro can be used
[08:01] <instructor> Then why do you have to make one for it?
[08:01] <instructor> What's the difference?
[08:01] <Dink> and there are kernel patches for regular distro also
[08:01] <Dink> what you mean make one ?
[08:01] <instructor> I knwo IBm put in a patch for Cell based appliances like 6 releases ago
[08:02] <instructor> Well YDL made a big thing about it so that was hard to miss
[08:02] <Dink> there are kernel patches for Cell 2.6.16 and .19
[08:02] <Dink> YDL is just marketing it more
[08:02] <instructor>  But If FC and Gentto ahve made one and those work on the PS3 is there some change that needs to be made?
[08:02] <_Kiruwa> IBM works with SUSE and RedHat atm
[08:03] <instructor> Well Not with SUSE anymore
[08:03] <instructor> I'd guess they'd be pissed at Novell
[08:03] <_Kiruwa> umm... no
[08:03] <Dink> any PPC based distro should work with no change
[08:03] <_Kiruwa> instructor: do a whois on me
[08:03] <Dink> should is the keyword
[08:03] <instructor> I still hold they should be pissed
[08:04] <instructor> Dink: yes everyone says that but it's obviously not true :)
[08:04] <Dink> i tried with ubuntu/kubuntu PPC version but i couldnt figure out how to use kboot to install it
[08:05] <instructor> I gues there should be at least one howto on the net by now
[08:05] <Dink> you install kboot as the "Other OS" then use that to install your distro
[08:05] <Dink> there are howtos for FC
[08:06] <instructor> Dink: Which Fc?
[08:06] <instructor> does say FC 4 work?
[08:06] <Dink> FC5
[08:06] <instructor> Hmm that about as old as dapper
[08:07] <Dink> i just want to get feisty on it :)
[08:07] <instructor> WHa ha :-)
[08:07] <instructor> That would be Edgy :)
[08:07] <Dink> edgy+1
[08:08] <grothesk_> Hi!
[08:08] <instructor> Dink: It's a play on words :)
[08:08] <grothesk_> Has there been an update to kde today in kubuntu?
[08:09] <Bubba_Gump> yes
[08:09] <Bubba_Gump> automatix and a coupla libs
[08:10] <LjL> automatix is not part of kubuntu in any way
[08:11] <grothesk_> Hum... Can't find any updates in apt.
[08:14] <instructor> !ps3
[08:14] <instructor> :)
[08:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ps3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:14] <instructor> That would be neat
[08:14] <sledge_at_work> !wii
[08:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wii - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:14] <julius> guden tach
[08:14] <sledge_at_work> !de
[08:14] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:14] <sledge_at_work> :)
[08:14] <instructor>  sledge_at_work: I was just hinking that we might have people coming in asking how to install on the PS3 So a PS3 factiod would be usefl
[08:14] <instructor> ul
[08:15] <Bubba_Gump> yeah
[08:15] <Bubba_Gump> i heard the ps3 uses *nix as its OS
[08:15] <instructor> It does
[08:15] <instructor> but you can install any ppc distro on it
[08:15] <instructor>  in theory
[08:16] <instructor> So you could get Kubuntu or a ppc based MythTv running on it
[08:16] <Bubba_Gump> cool
[08:16] <instructor> Dink: have you pulled out the hard drive yet?
[08:16] <zorglu_> i heard sony is pretty open about linux, and actually promoting its use on ps3, is it true ?
[08:16] <max_> he ho
[08:16] <instructor> grothesk_: It' hasn't propogated yet
[08:17] <instructor> zorglu_: Yeah according to Dink they have an install new OS button :)
[08:17] <grothesk_> Ah. I just saw them on the servers, instructor.
[08:17] <luca> ok
[08:17] <zorglu_> instructor: :)
[08:17] <instructor> cause Linux installations saved XBox for the first year and a half
[08:17] <instructor> A huge number of people bought it just to hack it
[08:18] <instructor> make it semi suported and you have a winning selection :)
[08:18] <instructor> plus they aren't using off the shelf parts so it's a better bet
[08:18] <instructor> As Dr_willis was saying to really pull of crazy stuff get an Xbox :)
[08:19] <zorglu_> and this turns your game console as a usable computer, pc like
[08:19] <zorglu_> so another market :)
[08:19] <Bubba_Gump> so we could buy a PS3, and then use it like a PC?
[08:19] <instructor> Yup
[08:19] <Bubba_Gump> :D
[08:19] <instructor> Bubba_Gump: Yup it uses a Bluetooth keyboard though so...
[08:19] <zorglu_> kaixlg on ps3 must be pretty ok :)
[08:19] <crube> I dont know why anyone would want to do that
[08:19] <max_> you can buy a psp and use it like a pc also
[08:20] <instructor> Me either :) but as I said if someone made a good 10 ft interface for it iwo uld be pretty
[08:20] <Bubba_Gump> crube: ps3 = cheap compared to a high end pc of the same spec
[08:20] <zorglu_> well money is always a good incitation :)
[08:20] <instructor> the PS3 is much sexier to have out on the table for adate than a water cooled PC
[08:20] <zorglu_> how much is the ps3 ?
[08:20] <crube> Bubba_Gump yeah, but using it with a distro not designed for it wont propably be anything to get any power of it
[08:20] <instructor> $600
[08:20] <instructor> For a Bluray player :0
[08:21] <instructor> crube: Well it's a PPC CPu
[08:21] <soulrider> ps3 is way too expensive
[08:21] <zorglu_> well seems a reasonable pc, esprecially if you are a gamer too
[08:21] <soulrider> i hope they make linux for wii
[08:21] <max_> tschss ihr betrger
[08:21] <instructor> so ... not as bad as say the PS2
[08:21] <instructor> soulrider: well wii is a over clocked Gamecube
[08:21] <max_> gamecube sucks#
[08:21] <instructor> So they don't have much R&D in it
[08:21] <soulrider> gamecube owns
[08:21] <instructor> Ha ha :)
[08:22] <instructor> parting words
[08:22] <crube> Well I see no reason to buy a PS3. It's way too expensive. Maybe in a year or two when the price drops
[08:22] <soulrider> yeah
[08:22] <instructor> Yup :) You can't buy one now if you wanted to in any case
[08:22] <crube> If I'm buying a console I'll buy it to play games, not to use linux :D
[08:22] <soulrider> lol so true
[08:23] <soulrider> and for fun games
[08:23] <crube> Well that's true, I live in europe and they'll launch it here in march.
[08:23] <soulrider> not for games that have good graphics only
[08:23] <instructor> crube: Well that's what is interesting. it easily allows you to do both
[08:23] <zorglu_> hehe impossible to understand that a single device may have multiple uses :)
[08:23] <instructor> not sure abuot elegantly but easily at least
[08:23] <Bubba_Gump> yup
[08:23] <Bubba_Gump> i'd like a single format
[08:23] <outline_> hello
[08:24] <luca> it ubuntu
[08:24] <instructor> Bubba_Gump: Format?
[08:24] <Bubba_Gump> instructor: yeah
[08:24] <luca> what is the italian help?
[08:24] <soulrider> !it
[08:24] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:24] <Bubba_Gump> like one place for all: gaming, computing
[08:25] <instructor> dating, marriage? :)
[08:25] <soulrider> Bubba_Gump: thats called a windows PC
[08:25] <soulrider> just kidding :P
[08:25] <Bubba_Gump> heh
[08:25] <soulrider> i wish there were more games for linux
[08:25] <instructor> There are tons of games for Linux
[08:25] <zorglu_> only a few are serious
[08:25] <soulrider> does anyonw know how i an use adept or apt-get to download a package and its dependencies ?
[08:25] <zorglu_> as commercial grade
[08:25] <soulrider> instructor: good games :P
[08:26] <instructor> soulrider: apt-get package
[08:26] <instructor> soulrider: sudo apt-get install package
[08:26] <zorglu_> http://tremulous.net <- this one is :)
[08:26] <soulrider> instructor: i want to downlaod
[08:26] <soulrider> not install
[08:26] <soulrider> and dependencies too
[08:26] <instructor> soulrider: there are a few good ones but ymmv
[08:26] <soulrider> ymmv ?
[08:26] <instructor> soulrider: oh I think --dummy
[08:26] <instructor> Your mileage may vary
[08:27] <zorglu_> soulrider: apt-get -d <- see the man page about -d --download only
[08:27] <soulrider> zorglu_: when i do thjat i get an error =/
[08:28] <soulrider> i do: sudo apt-get -d build-essential
[08:28] <soulrider> and i get
[08:28] <soulrider> E: Invalid operation build-essential
[08:28] <instructor> -d install
[08:29] <soulrider> build-essential is already the newest version.
[08:29] <soulrider> i dont wanna uninstall it
[08:29] <bthibault> does anybody know anything about installing the nvidia binary driver
[08:29] <soulrider> !nvidia
[08:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:29] <zorglu_> --force-yes ? <- soulrider
[08:29] <bthibault> folllowed these directions but i'm getting this error :
[08:29] <bthibault> Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed
[08:29] <bthibault> the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
[08:30] <soulrider> at the end or before build essential ?
[08:30] <bthibault> that is when i run nvidia-glx-config enable
[08:31] <metres> Hi there
[08:31] <soulrider> zorglu_: wont work
[08:31] <metres> I'm unable to make php work, asking for download...
[08:31] <zorglu_> no idea then
[08:32] <Angrataf> !ati
[08:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:32] <metres> my link for ATI is http://www.nuxo.net/tutorial-37.html
[08:33] <bthibault> yes i followed these instructios w/ error
[08:34] <bthibault> oh maybe that was for you
[08:35] <instructor> metres: What do you mean php won't work?
[08:36] <metres> apache is working at localhost but when i put index.php, the browser ask for downloading the file
[08:36] <metres> I installed php5...
[08:37] <metres> i also add AddType application/x-httpd-php         .php to etc/apache2/apache2.conf...
[08:40] <instructor> Did you install php stuff for apache?
[08:40] <instructor> Oh wait...
[08:44] <crube> !intel
[08:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:45] <instructor> heehee
[08:52] <bthibault> what should i do if my nvidia binary driver isn't installing
[08:53] <groth|GAGA> bthibault: Try harder!
[08:53] <groth|GAGA> Or give more information, why it is not installing...
[08:54] <bthibault> groth|GAGA: thanks, i followed all directions listed in the wiki, but when i try to run nvidia-glx-enable
[08:54] <bthibault> it craps out
[08:54] <groth|GAGA> nvidia-glx-enable? O_o Just edit your xorg.conf...
[08:55] <bthibault> groth|GAGA: with this error
[08:55] <bthibault> Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed
[08:55] <bthibault> the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
[08:55] <bthibault> groth|GAGA: i did both
[08:55] <bthibault> groth|GAGA: neither worked
[08:57] <LeeJunFan> bthibault: do you have restricted-modules installed for your kernel?
[08:57] <tibbar> does anyone have the latest ati fglrx drivers (8.31.5)
[08:57] <bthibault> yes, both -generic and -386
[08:57] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: yeah, you need it?
[08:57] <tibbar> no if I set my res to 1280x1024
[08:58] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: It's not good for laptops, suspend to ram doesn't resume.
[08:58] <bthibault> LeeJunFan: yes, both -generic and -386
[08:58] <tibbar> my mouse goes about 4cm down from where it actually clicks
[08:58] <groth|GAGA> bthibault: Both? O_o
[08:58] <LeeJunFan> bthibault: and you've rebooted?
[08:58] <groth|GAGA> Why do you use BOTH?
[08:58] <tibbar> yes a few times
[08:58] <bthibault> LeeJenFan: yes i rebooted
[08:59] <bthibault> groth|GAGA: one wasn't working so i figured I would install the - generic as well
[08:59] <LeeJunFan> bthibault: try 'lsmod | grep nvidia' at a konsole to see if the module is loading.
[08:59] <groth|GAGA> bthibault: Which kernel are you using right now?
[08:59] <groth|GAGA> Enter 'uname -r' in a konsole.
[09:00] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[09:00] <tibbar> bthibault: must I just paste it in here?
[09:00] <bthibault> LeeJunFan: its not listed in there, i tried modprobe nvida
[09:00] <LeeJunFan> !pastebin | tibbar
[09:00] <ubotu> tibbar: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:01] <LeeJunFan> bthibault: now that you've modprobed try lsmod | grep nvidia again
[09:01] <heinkel_111> does wine work on 64-bit?
[09:01] <bthibault> LeeJunFan: i got a modprobe error
[09:01] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: thanks
[09:01] <bthibault> LeeJunFan: Not loading nvidia module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:01] <LeeJunFan> bthibault: ah, sounds like module and kernel don't match or some such thing.
[09:02] <LeeJunFan> bthibault: ah, your driver needs to be changed then probably.
[09:02] <LeeJunFan> bthibault: in your xorg.conf
[09:02] <bthibault> so change the driver then modprobe it?
[09:02] <raul> 
[09:02] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: after you paste, post the link here.
[09:02] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: ok
[09:02] <LeeJunFan> bthibault: yeah.
[09:03] <bthibault> LeeJenFan: i would have been nice if the instructions told me that :)
[09:03] <LeeJunFan> bthibault: you may need to add nvidia to /etc/modules
[09:03] <LeeJunFan> bthibault: by adding nvidia to the list of modules in that file it guarantees that it will load on boot, so long as it's used in your xorg.conf
[09:04] <azzco> I've got a minor problem with Flash in konqueror.. I know it's been asked many times before but could someone help me maybe?
[09:04] <bthibault> LeeJunFan: ok let me reboot and try , thanks
[09:04] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32980/ I think that should work
[09:05] <instructor> azzco: Shoot
[09:05] <graft> yo, any kate users aboard?
[09:06] <tibbar> graft: Kate WTF!!!! I'm a noob so don't ask me anything about it
[09:06] <graft> um, thanks for the helpful dross
[09:08] <instructor> I use kate
[09:08] <graft> ah... have you noticed any problems with the 'file changed on disk' part of it?
[09:08] <graft> like is it still warning you that open files have been altered by some other process?
[09:09] <graft> cuz that functionality seems to be busted here...
[09:09] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: you using 2 monitors?
[09:09] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: Nope
[09:10] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: perhaps letting X use the VESA modes by commening out line 115, modeline "1280x1024@60" 108.0 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync
[09:11] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: just put a # in front of that line and restart X.
[09:11] <dhq> !icon
[09:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:11] <dhq> where can i get icon & themes
[09:12] <graft> just search the repository for 'em
[09:12] <graft> or goto kde-look.org
[09:12] <graft> but there's not very many good icon themes
[09:12] <wedgeV> how do i get the monitor out working on my laptop with the fglrx drivers?
[09:12] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: I don't really know what that does, so I'll hope my pc dosn't blow up thanks so long if I never see you again
[09:13] <graft> my monitor out won't work unless i reboot with it plugged in
[09:13] <graft> stupidly
[09:14] <schroeffu> leute ;( mein KDE laggt an allen ecken und enden. ich habj etzt Xserver neu gestartet, brachte nix... wenn ich z.b. ne website lade im foxi, laggt die maus whrend es ldt.. oder auch wenn ich hier schreibe laggt es pltzlich ;(
[09:15] <LeeJunFan> graft: you got a laptop?
[09:15] <LeeJunFan> graft: it might work if you restart X with it plugged in, not a full reboot, just ctrl-alt-backspace
[09:15] <overkill22> hi!
[09:16] <overkill22> someone can help me? i need to install a webcam!
[09:16] <graft> LeeJunFan: i think i've tried that... i think it's a matter of not recognizing ibm function-keys, tho
[09:17] <azzco_> Hmm the power was cut of here =/...
[09:17] <LeeJunFan> overkill22: do you know that your webcam is supported in Linux?
[09:20] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: Thanks now that my reselution works I can tell you about my other few problems
[09:21] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: hehe.
[09:21] <instructor> !webcam | overkill22
[09:21] <ubotu> overkill22: webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[09:23] <azzco> Have anyone got konqueror to succesfully work with flash?
[09:23] <LeeJunFan> azzco: yes, you just have to tell konqueror where to find the plugin.
[09:24] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: sorry about that, If I try to run any game, that includes supertux, in opengl my xserver restarts almost like I pressed Ctrl + Alt + Backspace, but i didn't
[09:24] <LeeJunFan> flash9 is flakey with any linux browser at the moment though, it seems to like to lock up or skip.
[09:24] <Admiral_Chicago> mine refuses to play sound even after i did a million work arounds
[09:24] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: is that why you joined irc and then disappeard a few times? :) Trying to see if that was fixed?
[09:24] <azzco> LeeJunFan: I did that but it seems that nit doesn't work I get a box with a toolbar on top where the flash should be showed...
[09:25] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: no its my xserver that restarts the whole time
[09:25] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: you might find some info on that by looking in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:26] <overkill22> ubotu i have a typhoon easycam ... i don't know if it is supported by linux,...
[09:26] <LeeJunFan> ubotu is a bot.
[09:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:26] <Gusj> Hello, sorry to bother you, but I have some troubles with Kubuntu
[09:26] <azzco> Gusj what's your problem?
[09:27] <heinkel_111> does anyone know if mono works for kubuntu 64?
[09:27] <heinkel_111> edgy ..
[09:27] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: What im I looking for?
[09:27] <Gusj> My wireless mous and keyboard does not seem to work
[09:27] <Gusj> Mouse*
[09:27] <azzco> I'm running wireless KB and mouse and it worked by default... Got logitech if that helps..
[09:28] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: you'd kind of have to wing it - just looking for an error that would indicate why X is crashing.
[09:28] <Gusj> I`m currently using windows now since I can`t do anything in Kubuntu
[09:28] <azzco> But you can do things in bios with KB?
[09:28] <overkill22> ubotu , linux see my cam on the usb port, but i don't know how i can configure it ...
[09:28] <ubotu> linux: Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.17.10 (edgy), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[09:29] <Gusj> It should be noted that I am new to Kubuntu
[09:29] <LeeJunFan> overkill22: ubotu is a bot - not human.
[09:29] <azzco> Gusj: I've only been runnig linux for about half a year myself ;)
[09:29] <overkill22> -_-'
[09:30] <azzco> It seems very odd that your keyboard and mouse doesn't work though...
[09:30] <Gusj> The mouse and KB is some crap HP-thingy
[09:30] <overkill22> LeejuFan you are a human? can i ask to you?
[09:30] <heinkel_111> !mono
[09:30] <ubotu> mono: Mono CLI (.NET) runtime. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.17.1-1ubuntu7 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB
[09:30] <easytiger> why is my msn in kopete being "actively refused"
[09:30] <azzco> Gusj: I'm not very good at this but if you ask me it should have worked..
[09:31] <Gusj> It is the 64-bit version if that would make any difference
[09:31] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: I think you'll want to add Load  "dri" to your modules section at the top of xorg.conf as well.
[09:31] <azzco> Might have something to do with it...
[09:31] <azzco> IT's a PC you're on right? not anything from apel?
[09:31] <azzco> appel*
[09:31] <Gusj> Now I forgot to mention that I managed to run it once until it crashed and I had to reboot
[09:31] <Gusj> It`s a pc
[09:32] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: I think I maby found somthing im not sure so I paster you a nice 100lines http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32983/
[09:32] <azzco> I think that you should have gone with the i386 ;)
[09:32] <heinkel_111> !wine
[09:32] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:32] <heinkel_111> mmm...now if i want to run .NET applications do i use wine + .NET or just MONO?
[09:33] <easytiger> is anyone having issues with kopete + msn?
[09:33] <azzco> Gusj: Did you download and brun the ISO? if so do it again with i368 version instead.
[09:34] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: I don't think that's going to stop X from doing anything, but you will want Load "dri" in modules section. Try that and restart X
[09:34] <heinkel_111> easytiger: mine works perfectly
[09:34] <easytiger> so did mine till 20 minutes ago
[09:34] <heinkel_111> ah
[09:35] <tibbar> LeeJunFan:  must I just add a few spaces "   load "dir"  "?
[09:35] <heinkel_111> easytiger: that is mayb3e a problem with MSN then...mine worked earlier this evening but ia mm not sure now ...
[09:35] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: you don't have to, but to keep it looking nice and readable you should.
[09:35] <LeeJunFan> and it's load "dri", not dir :)
[09:35] <easytiger> maybe they've decided to screw with the protocol again
[09:35] <azzco> easytiger: I think that my sister had some problems too... might be something up with MSN...
[09:35] <heinkel_111> easytiger: you are aware that MSN is maintained by microsoft ;)
[09:36] <azzco> Precisly
[09:36] <easytiger> heinkel_111: sadly its what all my mates use
[09:36] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32984/
[09:36] <tibbar> LeeJunFan:  ok thanks im gonna restart quick
[09:36] <azzco> We're all in the same boat on that one easytiger
[09:36] <heinkel_111> now, can I get some hints on how to run a .NET program?
[09:36] <Gusj> Downloading the plain verisonthen. This is really a sort of a project to make 64-bit work on the computer. And I do NOT want to try it on the Vista-crap
[09:36] <heinkel_111> do i use MONO or wine?
[09:37] <easytiger> heinkel_111: are you writing the program yourself?
[09:37] <heinkel_111> no... i think i will have to use it pre-compiled
[09:37] <easytiger> what is it?
[09:38] <heinkel_111> it is an old program and i have some trouble finding the source
[09:38] <ubuntu> wow
[09:38] <easytiger> just try wine
[09:38] <heinkel_111> mm...ok
[09:38] <ubuntu> im installing kubuntu now and its amazing
[09:38] <dhq> where can i find themes and icon themes
[09:38] <tibbar> LeeJunFan:  ok done double checked now im gonna restart
[09:38] <azzco> LeeJunFan: Do you know if the file association for *.swf should be changed? Mine says x-shockwave-flash
[09:38] <easytiger> www.kde-look.org dhq
[09:39] <heinkel_111> tibbar: http://www.kde-look.org
[09:39] <heinkel_111> ah
[09:39] <heinkel_111> the tiger beat me to it, and had the RIGHT recipient :(
[09:39] <easytiger> :p
[09:39] <LeeJunFan> azzco: that sounds right. if you type about:plugins in the address bar in konq it should tell you if it's loading the plugin.
[09:39] <compagdo> Hi
[09:40] <compagdo> does someone know how to connect to msn with kopete
[09:40] <overkill22> how can i accept che cookie for one site on konqueror?
[09:40] <easytiger> compagdo: i think msn is not working correctly as of last 30 minutes
[09:41] <compagdo> okay..but what is the config
[09:41] <LeeJunFan> I'm logged in on msn right now. But I logged in probably 30-40 mins ago.
[09:41] <compagdo> or the ip server address
[09:41] <LeeJunFan> compagdo: kopete should have all that already in it.
[09:41] <compagdo> merci
[09:41] <compagdo> will try
[09:41] <azzco> LeeJunFan: Seems to be running... But I still have an empty window with a bar on top that says task name, time ETC.
[09:41] <compagdo> ciao
[09:41] <easytiger> yea compagdo, its easy.. but i think its broken
[09:42] <compagdo> anyway thanks
[09:42] <azzco> At least ATM
[09:42] <LeeJunFan> azzco: what are you trying to view? have a url?
[09:42] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: I justed tryd to wine war3.exe (it defenitly works I played it a hour ago and the only thing I changed is my drivers) and it said I have no opengl
[09:43] <azzco> just movies on youtube...
[09:44] <overkill22> compagdo mi puoi aiutare per un piccolo problemino con konqueror?
[09:44] <azzco> tibbar:  When you're trying to run a game that crashes the xserver and you know it...open a new xserver (sudo Xserver :1)
[09:44] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: pastebin your output from 'export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose && export MESA_DEBUG=verbose && glxinfo' as well as output from fglrxinfo
[09:45] <poe__> anyone know how to get midi to work with kubuntu, i havev audigy card , sounds r ok but no midi?? thx
[09:46] <LeeJunFan> azzco: hrm, I dunno. I've got it working fine here. I've done nothing special. You don't have crossover office on your system do you that might be trying to use windows flash players?
[09:46] <tibbar> ok read this so long while I blow test some games http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32988/
[09:47] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: your problem is right at the top of that output.
[09:47] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: sudo Xserver :1 says command not found
[09:47] <azzco> LeeJunFan: Nothing that I know of... I got firefox to run flash and that's the only thing holding me back from using konqueror fulltime.
[09:48] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: I just read it looks like I don't have a graphics card
[09:49] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: actually your opengl libraries are still using mesa instead of ATI's.
[09:49] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: how do I change that
[09:50] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: do you also have ubuntu's fglrx installed on your system? dpkg -l | grep fglrx
[09:51] <tibbar> rc  xorg-driver-fglrx                      7.0.0-8.25.18+2.6.15.11-1            Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators, yes
[09:51] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: you need to remove that and re-run the ati installer sh.
[09:52] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: In adept it says its uninstalled
[09:52] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: then restart X again, rebooting might be recommended.
[09:52] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: oh, sorry, I see that now, rc
[09:52] <wilman> my sound for flash does not work but a session ago it did. only when it worked i could not turn other music on
[09:52] <malandrvjs> Where can I download the kubuntu book?
[09:53] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: did you remove it after you installed ati's drivers? if so it probably removed the ati ones and put mesa back in their place.
[09:53] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: try running ati installer again. and restart X.
[09:53] <malandrvjs> oi
[09:53] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: no, I unistalled it then without rebooting I installed the new drivers
[09:53] <malandrovjs> oi
[09:54] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: when you run glxinfo client glx and opengl vendor should both be ATI
[09:54] <londo4> Where can I download the official Ubuntu book?
[09:55] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: im gonnna restart quick, bussy installing new drivers again
[09:55] <azzco> I fixed it LeeJunFan, when looking at application for swf I saw the tab embedding... I noticed two rows one was the netscape libflash.so plugin the other karm part (wich I removed)
[09:56] <LeeJunFan> azzco: hrm, didn't even think of that :) cool. Good job.
[09:56] <SlimG> I can't get my Kubuntu to mount a samba resource, i've edited my fstab to look like this example: http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2004-February/080086.html
[09:56] <LeeJunFan> !smbfs
[09:56] <ubotu> smbfs: mount and umount commands for the smbfs (for kernels >= than 2.2.x). In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 375 kB, installed size 900 kB
[09:57] <LeeJunFan> SlimG: check out that^^ you need to install smbfs to mount smb shares.
[09:58] <LeeJunFan> you gotta be kidding me, konqueror locked up viewing that samba lists page.
[09:58] <LeeJunFan> oh, not konqueror emerald in beryl.
[10:00] <yurik> 
[10:01] <LeeJunFan> !ru
[10:01] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[10:01] <yurik> ?
[10:01] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: I reinstalled and restarted, but its still waisted. If I type fglrxinfo "Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".display: :0.0  screen: 0"
[10:02] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: what's it say for vendor?
[10:02] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: Mesa
[10:02] <LjL> yurik: it says (i think) you should join #ubuntu-ru if you want to chat in russian. was that russian?
[10:03] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: Maby my instalation is corrupt or something?
[10:04] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: no, it's using the wrong libfile but I don't know why.
[10:05] <dorshin> i got sound from internal speakers but not from my external speaks.
[10:05] <dorshin> i got sound from internal speakers but not from my external speakers.
[10:05] <dorshin> i am using dapper
[10:05] <Yaccin> dorshin: you have a "mute" button on your laptop?
[10:05] <Yaccin> oh
[10:05] <Yaccin> nevermind
[10:05] <Yaccin> :D
[10:06] <yurik> lol
[10:06] <dorshin> Yaccin: can you read my question again please?
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: try pastebin 'ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.*'
[10:06] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: my xorg in section device it tells me driver "vesa"
[10:07] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: that would be for the monitor, that's fine.
[10:08] <Lam_> where does kde menu editor save the settings?
[10:08] <LeeJunFan> Lam_: all over the place.
[10:09] <tibbar> LeeJunFan:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32992/
[10:09] <dorshin> how can i check if promisc mode is anabled for eth0?
[10:09] <LeeJunFan> dorshin: ifconfig eth0
[10:10] <LeeJunFan> dorshin: it would say PROMISC there if it is, if not just ifconfig eth0 promisc will turn it on.
[10:10] <dorshin> LeeJunFan: but i cant see something like "promisc" in the output
[10:10] <LeeJunFan> dorshin: then it's not on.
[10:11] <dorshin> LeeJunFan:i am doing sudo ifconfig eth0 -promisc
[10:11] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: hrm, not what I was expecting, what about ls -l /usr/lib/xorg/libGL.*
[10:11] <dorshin> its not working
[10:11] <LeeJunFan> dorshin: -promisc turns it off promisc turns it on.
[10:12] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32993/
[10:13] <dorshin> LeeJunFan: thats ok now thanks.
[10:13] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: man, I'm at a loss. I don't know how it's loading the wrong libGL everything is linked right there.
[10:14] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: Can't i manually force it to use that lib some how
[10:15] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: not any way I know of that it wouldn't already be doing, unless I'm looking at the wrong library.
[10:17] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: i guess you can't trust ati's offical drivers anyhow but here is the new xorg.conf i don't see fglrx anyware in it... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32994/
[10:18] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: oh, you're right. vesa should be fglrx.
[10:18] <LeeJunFan> how did that get changed? when you ran the installer?
[10:19] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: ok so should i edit it and then restart?
[10:19] <dorshin> i got sound from internal speakers but not from my external speakers,any idea?(using dapper)
[10:19] <LeeJunFan> yeah.
[10:19] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: yeah i guess when i resintalled the driver..
[10:19] <Lam_> where are the typical places that .desktop files will be stored?
[10:19] <LeeJunFan> Lam_: .kde/share/applnk I think
[10:20] <mickru> hi... i configured my Kubuntu 6.10 with pppoeconf. Now I got myself a router and would like to get rid of automatic pppoe. What do I have to do? Seems that pppoeconf, doesn't have a remove option
[10:20] <Lam_> LeeJunFan: thanks
[10:21] <LeeJunFan> Lam_: also ~/.local/share/applications
[10:21] <LeeJunFan> That's probably the most appropriate place for them.
[10:21] <Lam_> LeeJunFan: second one works better. :)  first has nothing in it.  i found what i was looking for, so thanks a lot
[10:22] <LeeJunFan> Lam_: your welcome.
[10:22] <LeeJunFan> you're
[10:24] <casev01> someone knows where i can get the nvidia-kernel-1.0.9629 package?
[10:24] <casev01> :(
[10:25] <overkill22> webcam HELP
[10:25] <overkill22> cookie HELP
[10:26] <SlimG> howto make a smbfs mount in fstab mountable for other users than root ?
[10:26] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: direct rendering: No but at least its not telling me missing display ....
[10:27] <LeeJunFan> SlimG: I think just add user to list of options
[10:27] <justin1278> hello
[10:27] <justin1278> I am having issues with my external harddrive on Kubuntu
[10:27] <justin1278> I cannot save or delete any files to it
[10:27] <justin1278> or from it
[10:27] <rysiek|pl> hi all
[10:28] <Lam_> does anyone else have emacs loading with irregularly small font size?  i edited the emacs entry in KDE Menu Editor and emacs now loads with really small font size
[10:28] <rysiek|pl> does anybody know, where can I set-up a background-image for the menubar in KDE/Qt apps, like in this screenshot: http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=42997&file1=42997-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Vista+Classic ?
[10:30] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: direct rendering: No, but at least its not telling me missing display .... i don't know if i edited the wrong 'vesa' to 'fglrx'
[10:30] <casev01> someone knows if there is a repository with the nvidia-kernel-1.0.9629?
[10:30] <tibbar> yes
[10:31] <tibbar> casev01 search on the beryl site
[10:31] <casev01> ok, thanks
[10:31] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: I don't know why you've got 2 screens defined, but it wouldn't hurt if you changed both driver "vesa" to driver "fglrx"
[10:32] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: i don't know either :P so do i just change all of the 'vesa' tp 'fglrx'?
[10:33] <LeeJunFan> just the driver "vesa" to driver "fglrx" there's only 2 of those.
[10:34] <tibbar> casev01, http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/nVIDIA
[10:34] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: ok
[10:40] <ceruleantiger> I'm trying to install ubuntu on a macbook. Unfortunately standard liveCD will not work, so I have to boot from a liveCD, and chroot in to install
[10:40] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: still no direct rendering :P
[10:40] <ceruleantiger> anyone know how to get a base ubuntu system installed in this kind of way?
[10:41] <Bubba_Gump> <3
[10:41] <casev01> thanks, i was trying to find it
[10:42] <wilman> can't play midi
[10:42] <wilman> ubotu
[10:42] <tibbar> casev01, i wish ati drivers was as easy as nv ;)
[10:42] <LeeJunFan> !debootstrap
[10:42] <ubotu> debootstrap: Bootstrap a basic Debian system. In component main, is extra. Version 0.3.3.0ubuntu7 (edgy), package size 48 kB, installed size 248 kB
[10:42] <wilman> how can is ask something to ubotu?
[10:42] <wilman> midi files
[10:42] <LeeJunFan> !midi
[10:42] <ubotu> Trouble playing MIDI files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[10:43] <wilman> thx
[10:43] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: ur too fast i was wanting to do that ;)
[10:43] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_lappy: Let me guess
[10:43] <MrLogic1308> leave
[10:43] <MrLogic1308> #leave
[10:43] <LeeJunFan> /leave
[10:43] <MrLogic1308> thx ;-)
[10:44] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: still no direct rendering :P and still mesa as opengl vendor...
[10:44] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: I don't know what else to look at.
[10:45] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: and I had that problem once a long time ago.
[10:45] <DaSkreech> I can't get konqueror to work with Google's Notebook
[10:45] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: i guess i'l just have to upgrade to edgy
[10:47] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: what gfx card do you have?
[10:47] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: x700
[10:47] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: the thing is if i want to go in the live cd of dapper i can't i need to go into safe mode...
[10:48] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: doh, I forgot. Although I thought this was an edgy only thing, you have to turn off composite.
[10:48] <nikkiana> hi DaSkreech
[10:48] <casev01> good by friends
[10:48] <casev01> :)
[10:48] <casev01> bye
[10:49] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33003/ put that at the end of your xorg.conf file.
[10:49] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: and now if i reconfigure my xorg.conf with that xserver-reconfig or whatever i can't use that auto configed xorg,conf is that maybe whay i can't use any auto gened conf because of composite
[10:49] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Back over there?
[10:49] <nikkiana> yep.
[10:51] <graf2ix> hello
[10:51] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: it shouldn't be, composite should only interfere with fglrx, if you look in your Xorg.0.log file you should see a line something like composite enabled disabling dri
[10:51] <graf2ix> someone speak frenche here?
[10:51] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: ok
[10:51] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: just wondering..
[10:51] <Dink> !df
[10:52] <ubotu> Graphical representations of where your disk-space is being used are: baobab (GNOME), filelight / kinfocenter (Kubuntu). On the terminal: df -h -T
[10:52] <LeeJunFan> I thought the default with dappers X was to have composite disabled, but adding it won't hurt.
[10:52] <Dink> !fr
[10:52] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:52] <graf2ix> thx :)
[10:52] <Dink> de rien or something like that
[10:52] <DaSkreech> Dink: Ha ha Was just talking about the 10 ft interface for PS3 again
[10:53] <Dink> 10ft interface ?
[10:53] <DaSkreech> Yeah like Apple Front Row
[10:53] <DaSkreech>  I think that MythTV shoudl have a 10 Ft interface
[10:53] <DaSkreech>  I'll check it out
[10:54] <Dink> lol i have no idea what you talking about... let me google real quick
[10:54] <Dink> ahh DVR thingie again
[10:55] <Dink> DaSkreech you got kubuntu install on your ps3 ?
[10:55] <DaSkreech> I have Kubuntu
[10:55] <DaSkreech> I need two other parts :)
[10:55] <Dink> lol let me guess 1 = ps3
[10:55] <DaSkreech> Good dink Scooby snack :)
[10:55] <Dink> lol
[10:56] <Dink> i have both kubuntu and ps3 but not both on same machine :p
[10:56] <DaSkreech> What's kernel
[10:56] <Dink> huh ?
[10:57] <DaSkreech> What kernel does it come with
[10:57] <LeeJunFan> Dink: so you got any bruises from your ps3 buying experience? :p
[10:57] <Dink> nah i pre-ordered
[10:57] <Dink> just walked in and picked it up
[10:57] <Dink> DaSkreech the ps3 ?
[10:57] <kay> hello i have a lot .rar files how do i unpack them all together so that they are one file?
[10:57] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: its still not working with the Composite 0
[10:58] <LeeJunFan> ugh!
[10:58] <_Shade_> will feisty ship kde4 packages?
[10:58] <LeeJunFan> _Shade_: hard to say, kde4 still doesn't have an official release date AFAIK.
[10:58] <LeeJunFan> _Shade_: from what I've seen of it so far I don't think it's going to make it in 6 months.
[10:58] <Seeker`> it didn;t have one when i was on the KDE site earlier
[10:58] <DaSkreech> Dink: I doubt they give out that info sony isn't crazy. Kubuntu
[10:59] <Dink> DaSkreech, there is no linux on the ps3 but im running 2.6.19-5 kernel on kubuntu
[10:59] <DaSkreech> _Shade_: Sort of
[10:59] <DaSkreech> Dink: Thought the OS was a stripped LInux
[10:59] <_Shade_> DaSkreech: what do you mean?
[10:59] <Dink> no you add it via "Other Os" option on the ps3
[10:59] <kay> hello i have a lot .rar files how do i unpack them all together so that they are one file?
[10:59] <Dink> you install kboot
[10:59] <Dink> then from there install your distro
[11:00] <DaSkreech> !unrar | kay
[11:00] <ubotu> kay: unrar is rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression  There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[11:00] <LeeJunFan> kay: you mean pack them into one file? or extract them all then recompact them into one file?
[11:00] <Dink> i got kboot installed just dont think you can install kubuntu from there
[11:00] <Dink> its where im stuck at
[11:00] <kay> LeeJunFan: there are 20 files (.rar) and when i unpack them they have to be one big file together
[11:01] <LeeJunFan> kay: ah, I see what you mean, it's one file split into 20 rars
[11:01] <kay> LeeJunFan: yes
[11:01] <graft> just do 'rar x whatever.rar'
[11:01] <DaSkreech> _Shade_: it will be kde4 ready
[11:01] <DaSkreech>  but not really with kde4 packages
[11:01] <DaSkreech> _Shade_: Look at the Feisty specs
[11:02] <DaSkreech> Dink: what does kboot do?
[11:02] <kay> graft: for what stands x?
[11:02] <graft> x => extract
[11:02] <LeeJunFan> kay: sorry, I guess look into the link ubotu / DaSkreech sent, I've never done one of those on linux.
[11:02] <DaSkreech> graft: isn't it unrar?
[11:02] <Dink> its like bootloader i think
[11:02] <kay> LeeJunFan: yes i do thx
[11:02] <Dink> mini linux
[11:02] <DaSkreech> Dink: right and why doens' t it work with Kubuntu? does it not recognize the Cd/DVD ?
[11:03] <DaSkreech> Dink: Hmm i wonder if the problem is that FC comes on DVd
[11:03] <graft> DaSkreech: i think they both work
[11:03] <Dink> from what I read you have to use like install-fc sda that installs FC
[11:03] <DaSkreech> graft: Hmm that's pretty interesting
[11:03] <Dink> but i didnt see naything similar for kubuntu
[11:03] <Dink> anything*
[11:04] <Dink> and it only reads dvd
[11:04] <DaSkreech> Dink: Waht are you installing from? an alternate cd>?
[11:04] <Dink> the PPC
[11:04] <tibbar> what does load "GLcore" do?
[11:04] <_Shade_> DaSkreech: ah i get it now. You will be able to install these appropriate packages right?
[11:05] <DaSkreech> _Shade_: yup
[11:05] <DaSkreech> Dink: o_O
[11:05] <DaSkreech> What media are you installing from?
[11:05] <Dink> DVD
[11:06] <graft> the fact that kde4 has no release deadline is scary to me
[11:07] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: Make sure you blacklist fglrx in /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[11:07] <DaSkreech> graft: I don't think any KDe has a release date
[11:07] <DaSkreech> that's Gnome
[11:07] <DaSkreech> Which is why so many Enterprise Distros ship Gnome
[11:07] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: you probably have restricted-modules installed for your kernel? in which case it might be loading the one from ubuntu.
[11:07] <kay> graft: it seems to me that it works THX
[11:07] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: then a reboot might fix it.
[11:07] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: yeah so how do i black list it
[11:08] <DaSkreech> Dink: You have to reboot or something?
[11:08] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: see if this page helps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=204910&highlight=fglrx
[11:08] <DaSkreech> Dink: Easy way do you have a article walk through so I can understand what's going on?
[11:09] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: or this http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide#Blacklist_old_fglrx_module_from_linux-restricted-modules which is probably the better one.
[11:09] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: ok
[11:12] <kay> thx for help nite ;-)
[11:12] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: i can't go to wiki.cchtml.com :(
[11:12] <DaSkreech> Dink: Is there some patches that have to go into the kernel?
[11:12] <_Shade_> DaSkreech: well i think it would be better to wait on feisty+1 to be released so as to make it safer, but anyways, according to the specs - it should be as stable as possible in feisty
[11:12] <Dink> im trying to find you the link
[11:12] <Dink> for the PPC version no but regular yes from what i was reading
[11:13] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: edit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common to have DISABLED_MODULES="fglrx"
[11:13] <DaSkreech> _Shade_: Right. basically if KDE4 comes out sometime in between releases from here on out it shoudl be trivial to upgrade to it
[11:13] <DaSkreech> Ah ok
[11:13] <_Shade_> i wonder if feisty will be delivered through shipit or not
[11:13] <DaSkreech> I should hope so
[11:14] <DaSkreech> Why wouldn't it?
[11:14] <Dink> http://static.afterdawn.com/other/ps3-linux/
[11:14] <_Shade_> DaSkreech: well edgy wasn't... :)
[11:14] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: do i restart now or reinstall the driver or what/
[11:15] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: should just need to reboot. Did you make deb packages or just plain old install the driver with ATI's installer?
[11:15] <DaSkreech> It wasn't? The Cads!!
[11:16] <Dink> DaSkreech, did you et the link i posted earlier ?
[11:16] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: plain ati
[11:16] <_Shade_> i also hope to see beryl more polished in feisty since the current release (of beryl) wastes too much of my cpu power
[11:16] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: okay, that's the way I do it too. I guess give it a reboot.
[11:16] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: ok cu now...
[11:16] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: although I use my own kernel and not ubuntu's so I don't have restricted modules.
[11:17] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: so I wouldn't see that problem myself.
[11:17] <DaSkreech> Dink: Yeah slowly going through it
[11:17] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: because you compile it (the kernel) ur self?
[11:17] <ypsila> hallo together
[11:17] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: yes.
[11:18] <DaSkreech> _Shade_: beryl is getting to be a dark horse for me now
[11:18] <ypsila> DaSkreech: could you please define "dark horse"?
[11:18] <DaSkreech> 4 legged animal with dark brown to black fur coat?
[11:19] <_Shade_> lol
[11:19] <ypsila> pruhust
[11:19] <ypsila> hyper_ch: ;-)
[11:19] <ypsila> DaSkreech: you like or dislike horses?
[11:19] <DaSkreech> Dislike
[11:20] <_Shade_> DaSkreech: have you tried to run firefox using beryl? it's nearly unusable :)
[11:20] <ypsila> DaSkreech: ok, thx, me too both, horses and beryl
[11:20] <Seeker`> _Shade_: I've not had any problems
[11:21] <_Shade_> Seeker`: maybe it's just about my hardware config
[11:21] <hyper_ch> gute nachte meine lieben :)
[11:21] <Seeker`> what are you using?
[11:21] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: is it difficult to compile the kenel ur self?
[11:21] <hyper_ch> g'night
[11:21] <ypsila> guds nchtle hybrid
[11:21] <ypsila> hyper_ch:
[11:21] <DaSkreech> well when it makes Ubuntu do Dumb things like ship closed drivers then yeah I hate beryl
[11:21] <ypsila> good night hyper_ch and sorry hybrid
[11:22] <hybrid> lol
[11:22] <_Shade_> Seeker`: Athlon 1.33, 256 megs of ram, ati card with 128 megs onboard@open drivers
[11:22] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: it can be, unless you know your hardware well and what some things in the kernel do what. They only way to learn is to do it though. I sure didn't get it right on my first, second, third, fourth, times :)
[11:22] <LeeJunFan> That was years ago.
[11:23] <Seeker`> _Shade_: Ah, ok. I'm running it on a 2.8GHz P4, 2GB RAM, i945 onboard graphics
[11:23] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: I started compiling my own kernel years ago when Linux didn't have drivers included for most of the newest hardware, back then you HAD to compile your own kernel in order to burn CD's.
[11:23] <_Shade_> Seeker`: n/c then :)
[11:23] <Seeker`> n/c?
[11:23] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: lol
[11:23] <_Shade_> Seeker`: no comments :)
[11:24] <_Shade_> i wonder if they plan to include such effects in the furthcoming kde version :)
[11:25] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: i my first disto was mandrake 9.2 and setting up drivers was not easy too... but i am going to leave this now i'll try again tomorrow (actually today 12:24am gtm2+) and its still exame too
[11:26] <_Shade_> oh Seeker`... would you lend me some RAM mate? :D
[11:26] <oem> ohi
[11:27] <Seeker`> _Shade_: Its a work computer, they may notice if it goes. Also, I'm running Eclipse regularly, so I need 1GB just to run that :P
[11:27] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: yeah, I used Mandrake before it became Mandrival. Switched to kubuntu when hoary was released.
[11:27] <_Shade_> what's eclipse?
[11:27] <Seeker`> Java IDE. It eats memory
[11:28] <tibbar> _Shade_: its a cool die
[11:28] <tibbar> _Shade_: oops * ide
[11:28] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: i am acutaly on my borthers pc now i have a xfx 7900gt xxx and its really nice i have beryl and nv96.29 ...
[11:28] <_Shade_> tibbar: i dunno whether it's cool to die or not :) i've never tried :)
[11:29] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: yeah, I'm running beryl on feisty right now.
[11:29] <LeeJunFan> beryl rocks.
[11:29] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: yeah well cya...
[11:29] <LeeJunFan> good luck.
[11:29] <LeeJunFan> later
[11:29] <tibbar> thx
[11:29] <_Shade_> LeeJunFan: beryl's nice, but too slow for me (on my machine?)
[11:30] <Seeker`> _Shade_: I was running eclipse on a computer with 600MB RAM, and it took 3-4 minutes to start
[11:30] <_Shade_> LeeJunFan: it goes smooth, but when it comes to open some pages in firefox, the scrolling is well....... very very slow
[11:31] <LeeJunFan> _Shade_: I've run it on a 500MHz celeron with an ATI 9200 128M, with 192M of RAM, the RAM was the only problem I had, it ran okay until I started swapping.
[11:31] <_Shade_> Seeker`: yeah... only 600 megs. I wish i could have these at least :)
[11:32] <_Shade_> LeeJunFan: swapping what?
[11:32] <LeeJunFan> _Shade_: memory
[11:32] <Seeker`> _Shade_: Cant you get any more? RAM isn't exactly expensive these days
[11:32] <LeeJunFan> _Shade_: when I ran out of physical ram and starting using HD (virtual).
[11:32] <lupine_85> "only"? 512MB is more than enough
[11:33] <lupine_85> (says me, with 1.5GB - but it *was* 512MB :D)
[11:33] <_Shade_> lupine_85: i haven't got even 512 :)
[11:33] <lupine_85> mm, I've had ubuntu running with 256 pretty well
[11:33] <lupine_85> 128MB RAM as well, but it's not too great with that
[11:34] <_Shade_> Seeker`: i can't afford even 1 gb temporarily
[11:34] <Seeker`> :S
[11:35] <DaSkreech> .me remembers 640k of ram
[11:35] <lupine_85> the scary thing is that that desktop (233MHz. K6) was about as responsive as my current (2500+)
[11:35] <lupine_85> :p
[11:35] <_Shade_> LeeJunFan: that's weird... everybody says that it runs smoothly even on a weaker configurations, but it doesn't for me... i mean yes - it is smooth but the page rendering is poor
[11:36] <DaSkreech> lupine_85: hardware will never outstrip software
[11:36] <lupine_85> _Shade_: probably the X server having difficulties. What graphics card do you have in it?
[11:36] <lupine_85> and do you have the drivers working properly?
[11:36] <lupine_85> DaSkreech: I know :( .. unless I install Red Hat 6 on my current machine, perhaps ;)
[11:37] <_Shade_> lupine_85: it's an ati card (radeon 35oo :)
[11:37] <lupine_85> using the ati/radeon, or fglrx driver?
[11:37] <DaSkreech> ha ha or installed Vista on your K6 :)
[11:37] <_Shade_> lupine_85: i have no idea... they seems to work properly :)
[11:38] <lupine_85> except for your slow scrolling, which is IME symptomatic of incorrect drivers ;)
[11:38] <DaSkreech> Wait that's software stripping hardware ... and tying it to the pole
[11:38] <lupine_85> still, never mind
[11:38] <lupine_85> DaSkreech: hehe
[11:38] <_Shade_> lupine_85: i'm using the ati (open) drivers since ati doesn't support these models
[11:39] <lupine_85> ah, so you can't try out the alternative... is it just firefox that it happens on?
[11:39] <lupine_85> if so, just use konqueror instead ;)
[11:39] <_Shade_> it happens on konqueror as well but it's not that bad
[11:40] <velle> Admiral_Chicago: hey, you helped me report some bugs last week, i've got a few questions if you have a minute???
[11:42] <_Shade_> ok it's getting late here... I would have to go. Take care all
[11:42] <Kibou> why is there no option to show an icon for "unmounted removable medium" on the desktop?
[11:42] <Amar> I have been told that i need to instal (using the alternative cd) with hardware autodetection turned of from the boot prompt
[11:42] <Amar> can somone explain what i need to enter
[11:43] <Kibou> I'm using debian with kde 3.5.5 right now and there is that option. on edgy it's just missing. any reason why?
[11:44] <DaSkreech> Dink: So I guess when you put in the Kubuntu DVd it doesn't recognize it?
[11:45] <Dink> right
[11:45] <DaSkreech> Amar: there should be a listing of F-Keys at the bottom
[11:45] <DaSkreech> Dink: It sits for a while aand does nothing?
[11:46] <Dink> yep
[11:46] <Dink> im not even sure if it is even reading it
[11:46] <Dink> i didnt debug it much last night only tried it acouple of times
[11:47] <DaSkreech> right of course why waste valuable gaming time :)
[11:47] <intelikey> i didn't realize how much i used the scripts i have writen until i sat down at a box that didn't have them...
[11:47] <DaSkreech> I assume it reads and boots fine in other machines?
[11:47] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Amen
[11:47] <Dink> yeah
[11:48] <Dink> Im not sure what command to issue to initiate the setup from kboot
[11:48] <Amar> the F keys 2-5 are for languages,keymaps VGA and accesability, the 6th is the other options and F1 is help
[11:48] <DaSkreech> Umm
[11:48] <Amar> of which i dont understand enough
[11:48] <DaSkreech> Either F1 or F6 then
[11:48] <DaSkreech> F6 is advanced I thin
[11:48] <DaSkreech> F1 might tell you quickly what hardware detection = off is
[11:48] <Amar> f6 basicaly lets me enter the comand propmpt
[11:49] <intelikey> Amar command prompt ?   or boot prompt ?
[11:49] <Amar> sorrt boot prompt
[11:49] <Dink> Im going to try again once i get home
[11:49] <Amar> *sorry
[11:50] <wildchild> why when I in konzole ping local computer constantly shows some data 64 bytes from 192.168.2.10: icmp_seq=60 ttl=128 time=0.121 ms, ok I  saw what's the ping how can  I turn this off?
[11:51] <fdoving> wildchild: ctrl-c
[11:51] <intelikey> ^C
[11:51] <Amar> the clossesed i can find is "don't start PCMCIA" : hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false
[11:51] <wildchild> fdoving: uff thx :)
[11:52] <DaSkreech> Amar: try that
[11:52] <DaSkreech> Dink: You left the PS3 home alone?
[11:52] <DaSkreech> Dink: Where do you live again?
[11:52] <Dink> lol
[11:52] <Dink> my rottie is protecting it
[11:53] <intelikey> chewing the cords off of it ?
[11:53] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[11:54] <DaSkreech> Hmm this is quite non straight forward
[11:54] <sledge_at_work> DaSkreech: It's crooked? ;)
[11:54] <Dink> lol she got passed that stage
[11:54] <Dink> i went through 4 ps2 controllers
[11:54] <Dink> all was left was the X button
[11:55] <DaSkreech> ha haWEll in that case I'm going to see my friend in teh hospital and then come back in here
[11:55] <Dink> lol
[11:57] <axel> Hi all, is there anybody can help me with kubuntu on HP ZV6000?
[11:57] <intelikey> !helpme
[11:57] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:59] <axel> what parameter I need to pass to grub ?
[11:59] <intelikey> for ?
[11:59] <Amar> baa it is still freezing at the same point
[11:59] <Dink> DaSkreech, going home ill give you an update later
[12:06] <intelikey> welcome back to /me
[12:07] <intelikey> ok if you have an iso and a cd what do you tell md5 to get it to compair the two ?
[12:08] <intelikey> no ?
[12:10] <ash211> in the command line, type md5sum <FILE>
[12:10] <ash211> that will produce the md5sum of that file