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makojdub,jordi: i have a copy of that newspaper.. not scanned01:28
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jdubmako: cool! someone scanned it tho, but don't remember where the image is01:43
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makojdub: if you want me to scan it, i can take it into my lab tomorrow and do it01:48
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jdubmako: that'd be rad - thanks!02:04
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makojdub: cool02:08
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lifelessBenC: ping re bug 7157503:23
UbugtuMalone bug 71575 in linux-source-2.6.19 "/proc/sys/vm/drop_caches should be able to be configured to allow regular user writes" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7157503:23
_ionHmm, is there a reason for linux-meta/feisty still depending on 2.6.17?03:26
lifelessit just hasn't been updated03:26
infinityWon't be until the world is in a sane(ish) state.03:27
lifelesstheres an ABI break in drm anyhow, you need to upgrade to 2.6.19 03:27
infinityThis week, I suspect.03:27
lifeless... if you have a graphics card which X uses that for03:27
lifelesshi infinity 03:27
infinityYo.  Just got home.03:27
infinityConsidering a very long nap.03:27
lifelessinfinity: likewise. *yawn*.03:27
Hobbseehey infinity 03:28
Hobbseehey lifeless 03:28
zulhey infinity 03:28
lifelessinfinity: should I subscribe you to these bugs we discussed ?03:30
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infinitylifeless: Yes, please subscribe me to them.03:43
infinitylifeless: I won't promise coherence (or even response) until tomorrow, but s'ok, I don't expect you to survive much longer today either. :)03:43
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lifelessinfinity: exactly :)04:07
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dsaslifeless: In bug 72501 I'm guessing you've subscribed the wrong infinity05:03
UbugtuMalone bug 72501 in Ubuntu "missing depends entries for X video drivers" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7250105:03
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lifelessoh foo05:13
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Mezlib -dev packages should depend on the lib right /06:16
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LathiatMez: generally yeh06:21
MezLathiat, I pulled a lib-dev package and I thought it wasnt linked to a lib, but it was06:23
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fabbione_ion: no, i am not maintaing lvm 06:32
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fabbione_ion: btw.. that's not the only issue we are having with initramfs at the moment07:52
fabbione_ion: it looks like udev is not even executed before mdadm that has the correct dependency07:52
fabbione_ion: i will need to check with Keybuk once he is alive07:52
Mithrandirfabbione: all that will be solved once Scott makes udev call the initramfs scripts, etc.07:55
_ionfabbione: Hm, at least that patch made my system boot again.07:56
_ionI.e. at least on my system the udev stuff gets started before the lvm stuff.07:56
fabbioneMithrandir: yes i know. that's why i am not bothering about it at all07:56
fabbione_ion: on my system mdadm is still called before udev and i can't boot. I need to fiddle manually07:57
fabbione_ion: for some reasons on mine doesn't.07:57
_ionOk, on this box i'm not using md.07:57
fabbione_ion: i am07:57
fabbione_ion: and don't bother too much07:57
fabbioneKeybuk will fix all of this pretty soon07:57
_ionOk. :-)07:57
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glatzorhi sivang08:49
sivanghey glatzor , how you doing?08:51
glatzormy first free day after two weeks :) so I am fine. and yourself?08:51
sivangglatzor: pretty good, thanks :)08:55
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zOrKdoes anybody has a broadcom wireless card?, I've built a patch and I'd like to see if it works..09:16
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_ionThis is definitely impressive. Beryl actually works with a nvidia 8000-series driver.10:10
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Treenaks_ion: but does it work with Via Unichrome chips?10:19
_ionI have no idea.10:19
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mneptondear God. please send me a pony. and deliver me from half-baked compositing. love, mnep.10:33
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niktarisstill looking for a way to add the keyboar indicator sto the gnome panel via the command line. Anyone has some idea ?10:36
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cjwatsonBurgundavia: re your question ages ago, see the installation-guide-$arch package (e.g. installation-guide-i386) for current Kickstart documentation11:39
niktarisafter recompiling gfxboot with DEFAULT_LANG=el I only get Greek and English language selection with F2. What am I doing wrong ?11:51
cjwatsonogra: libasyncns binaries will be in the archive shortly11:52
ogracjwatson, great ... thanks :)11:52
cjwatsonniktaris: don't recompile it; just put 'el' in /isolinux/lang on the CD11:53
cjwatson(or that might have to be in the bootlogo cpio archive, I forget exactly)11:53
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niktarishey cjwatson. will that give me the gfxboot menu in Greek too ?11:53
user__I ghostimaged my ubuntu image to from a ata to s-ata hard disc, now i modified /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst. However when I invoke update-grub it changes back to sda1 instead of hda1 as root= on the appendline in menu.lst in /boot/grub11:53
Hobbseeuser__: please read the /topic11:54
cjwatsonniktaris: should do11:54
cjwatsonat least in edgy11:55
niktariscjwatson, you wouldn't know how I can add  the keyboar indicator sto the gnome panel via the command line? Do you ?11:55
cjwatsonniktaris: no11:56
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niktariscjwatson, :)11:56
niktariscjwatson, did you get my email btw ? (just checking)11:56
cjwatsonniktaris: I've got about a million e-mails in the last two weeks and I'm hopelessly behind. If it's important, resend11:57
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cjwatsonI don't see it in my inbox, but if it was sent in the last few days, my home server has been offline and is still catching up11:58
niktarisI'll ask you in a few days again. if not I;ll resend11:58
cjwatsonconsider whether a mailing list might be more appropriate11:59
niktarisI generally avoid mailing lists. 12:00
StevenKcjwatson: I was pondering bugging you to see if an upload is sitting in the queue. If you're too busy just say so, and I'll deal.12:00
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cjwatsonniktaris: I mention because you seem to be considering me as a person to ask about any possible problem (c.f. the keyboard/GNOME question) and that's not appropriate12:03
Hobbseecjwatson: what, you *dont* know everything?12:03
cjwatsonStevenK: there are nearly 1300 items in NEW; I'm working on it. I think you should be able to see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue12:03
StevenKcjwatson: Even for -proposed?12:03
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niktariscjwatson, I had the impression that you know everything :)12:04
cjwatsonStevenK: dunno12:04
cjwatsonniktaris: well, I don't, and if I get asked about everything I'll just start ignoring the questioner, so ...12:04
cjwatsonStevenK: that would be /dapper/+queue and select unapproved12:04
cjwatsonor er /edgy/+queue12:05
niktariscjwatson, I try to keep it to ubuquity and releated12:05
StevenKcjwatson: Unapproved doesn't appear in the drop down.12:05
cjwatsonStevenK: unlucky, then :) ask me later12:05
cjwatsonniktaris: then mail is fine12:05
StevenKcjwatson: Sure. To be honest, I'm not even sure if it has been uploaded (since I have no rights for main), so I'll confirm that first. Sorry to bug you.12:06
niktariscjwatson, the mail was about casper and ubuiquity only :)12:06
niktarisyes :)12:07
niktarisstrange name :)12:07
cjwatsonlook it up in the dictionary12:07
niktaristhere are several issues with casper and ubiquity regarding lang/keyboard support. I' ll try to at least bugreport some of them12:08
Spads     2. (Theol.) The doctrine, as formulated by Luther, that12:08
Spads        Christ's glorified body is omnipresent.12:08
Spads        [1913 Webster] 12:08
gnomefreakcjwatson: its not possible to run live cd in terminal is it? like stick disk in boot it up at the menu screen choose to run it in terminal. right?12:08
cjwatsongnomefreak: no12:08
gnomefreakty 12:08
realistyou could always use ctrl+alt+f112:10
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fabbione_ion: i tested that lvm fix, it's an interesting thing.. if prereq can't be satisfied, initramfs just goes banana12:16
fabbione_ion: anyway working on an upload now12:16
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fabbioneajmitch: ping?12:21
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StevenKfabbione: Keep in mind it's 12:22am in ajmitch's $TZ12:22
fabbioneStevenK: yes i know but he is awake sometime at this time12:22
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ogragiskard, ping ... if you have a new g-p-m ready, upload it somewhere and point me to it ... i'll push it to the archive then ... ;)12:59
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ogras/ping/pong/ (indeed)01:01
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spikehi there01:05
spikeI'm using preseeding to install dapper boxes. for most of the answer I've used the debian preseed example file, and it works nicely01:06
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spikenow I've got some problems with a couple Q/A's I'm not sure about, so the question is: how can I dump Q/A's for the whole installation process?01:07
spikeobviously I cant run debconf-get-selections post install, because Q/A's about install process wouldnt be there01:08
spikeand I'm failing to find a complete list of all possible Q/A's anywhere01:09
spikeI could read the sources but I was hoping for something quickers01:09
spikeand if I had to read the sources, what package should I look into?01:10
spikesome udeb I 'spose01:10
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cjwatsonspike: see the installation-guide-i386 package01:33
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cjwatsonspike: use that in preference to the Debian preseed file01:33
cjwatsonspike: furthermore, your "obviously" isn't01:33
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cjwatsonspike: 'debconf-get-selections --installer' looks at the saved debconf database from the installer01:34
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spikecjwatson: oh, I'm sorry for that01:38
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spikeI assumed questions from the installer werent left into the database after installation01:38
cjwatsonit's a separate database01:39
spikecjwatson: but if I wanted to see the questions as they are asked during the install process which package shuold I look at? I've apt-got source debian-installer, assuming the install process, included Q/A's, were covered there01:40
spikebecause, for example, 2 mins ago there was some network glitch, and it failed to contact the security mirror, which popped a dialog about commenting it out etc, which was expecting me to hit enter01:41
spikethat is something my preseed file wouldnt ever catched... but I'm still debugging so I had a monitor plugged in01:41
spikemmmh, and as far as I can see from the output of debconf-get-selections --installer that question isnt covered in there01:43
spikeis that because that's never been asked for?01:43
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cjwatsonspike: it's spread through a very large number of packages01:50
cjwatsonspike: the easiest approach is really to start with checking out the upstream source from svn://svn.debian.org/svn/d-i/trunk/ - there are changes in Ubuntu, of course, but that will get you the general structure and nearly all the packages01:52
cjwatsonthen you can use 'apt-get source' on individual packages of interest to get the Ubuntu source for comparison01:53
spikek, whill check it out, thanks01:54
spikebah, bizarre, been reinstalling for hours and since 5 mins I keep gettting "bad archive mirror"01:56
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cjwatsonit's not entirely unknown for mirrors to get out of sync for a bit - ISPs' "transparent" proxies often don't help matters either02:00
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cjwatsonKeybuk: FYI I've been churning through NEW all day - 700+ down, about 600 to go02:23
Keybukcjwatson: sweet02:23
cjwatsonit's a nice mindless task I can do when non-functionally tired02:24
KeybukI cheated, and booked today and tomorrow off as holiday02:24
Keybukthough I'm hestitant to use such words as "today" and "tomorrow", since I still think yesterday was Saturday02:25
cjwatsonKeybuk: get off work IRC and go and relax, then :)02:30
Keybukcjwatson: I'm bored of relaxing :)02:30
mjg59Keybuk: Had a chance to test that patch I sent?02:32
Keybukmjg59: LLU has been down since last week (exchange fault), so the patch is almost certainly still on your SMTP server ;)02:33
mjg59Keybuk: Ha.02:33
mjg59Keybuk: If I stick it on the web, any chance you can give it a go?02:33
Keybukmjg59: not today02:34
mjg59Ok, no problem02:34
KeybukI haven't spoken to mdz yet, but the general plan wrt compiz/beryl is to have them both in universe, or even main, and make the decision as to which shall be the default at Feature Freeze based on how well they've been developed and supported until then, and how well they work02:35
mjg59Keybuk: It turned out to be slightly nastier than I thought - I effectively need to translate the keys back and forth02:35
mjg59But once I'd built the table, it just worked02:35
mjg59Keybuk: But yeah, that sounds sensible02:36
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spikebah, I've googled for a while now but it doesnt seem I cant find an answer: what can I do to have PXE booting to fail and the box moving on and boot from the HD?02:43
spikebecause even removing the pxelinux.cfg/default|HEX wont make it fail02:43
spikeit'll just sit there at a boot prompt02:44
spikethe only ways I've found are either removeing pxelinux.0 or stuff in the dhcp entry02:44
Treenaksspike: remove the PXE parts from the DHCP server :)02:44
spikenone of the two is really feasible for a production environment02:45
spikeTreenaks: eh, see my last-1 statement :)02:45
spikenot very nice to restart a dhcp server on a production env, and it's ugly anyway02:45
mjg59Can't you just tell pxelinux to boot off hard drive?02:46
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mjg59Hm. Possibly not.02:46
spikeeh, apparently I cant, but maybe I missed something02:46
spikethat's why I was asking :)02:46
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spikethe best approach seems to be having hd -> PXE and wipe out the MBR when you want to PXE boot02:47
spikeunfortunately that doesnt cope with an half/broken installation02:48
spikebut it seems to be the best bet02:49
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ograthere is something in the edubuntu wiki about it ... but dont ask me for the exact name of the page ...02:56
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tkamppeterHow do I get a package removed from Main and either totally removed or moved to Universe?03:00
cjwatsontkamppeter: what's the package, and why?03:00
cjwatsonin general, removing stuff from main requires (a) discussion (b) seed changees03:00
cjwatson(c) archive administrator action (this bit is semi-automatic)03:00
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tkamppeterIt is foomatic-filters-ppds, it got obsolete with CUPS 1.2 being able to auto-generate PPDs. Unfortunately, I did not find a way to find out in which repository it is.03:04
ograogra@edubuntu:~$ apt-cache madison foomatic-filters-ppds03:05
ografoomatic-filters-ppds | 20061104-1 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages03:06
ografoomatic-filters-ppds | 20061104-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Sources03:06
ogra(oh i need to update my sources.list :) )03:06
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tkamppeterThanks, ogra, having foomatic-filters-ppds installed on current Edgy would lead to a mess: every printer/driver pair will be shown twice and the entry comimg from foomatic-filters-ppds can install an old PPD file, as foomatic-filters-ppds is most probably not as frequently updated as foomatic-db.03:08
Keybuklp_archive@drescher:~$ checkrdepends foomatic-filters-ppds feisty03:09
Keybuk-- feisty/main hppa deps on foomatic-filters-ppds:03:09
Keybukamusingly, the only reason it's in main is because of hppa03:09
Keybukotherwise it would have been demoted03:09
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cjwatsonthat's not the only reason; it's in server-ship as well03:09
ogratkamppeter, i hope you mean feisty, not edgy there03:09
tkamppeterThe dependency can be removed from hppa, as the PPDs are provided by foomatic-db in Edgy.03:10
cjwatsonlet me produce germinate output for feisty and then tkamppeter can learn how to look at that03:10
cjwatsontkamppeter: you're not up to speed with the hppa situation03:10
cjwatsonin any case hppa does not block demotion03:10
tkamppeterSo if I take the dependency out of hppa foomatic-filters-ppds will disappear automatically?03:11
cjwatsontkamppeter: how were you planning to do that? you need the hppa buildds to be operational first :P03:11
cjwatsontkamppeter: but hppa *does not block demotion*. It's a red herring. Ignore it.03:11
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cjwatsontkamppeter: wait until I've got germinate output generated for feisty, and then you will be able to see clearly03:11
ogratkamppeter, it will show up here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/anastacia.txt and then an archive admin needs to edit the override file to actually demote it ...03:12
tkamppeterSo Keybuk was wrong and so foomatic-filters-ppds can be demoted? I suggest to remove it completely from the distro, to avoid having to keep two Foomatic databases in sync.03:13
cjwatsontkamppeter: STOP03:13
cjwatsontkamppeter: read all the things people are saying, and wait :-)03:13
cjwatsonwe have heard what you said; I am generating output that will allow you not to have to guess at reasons03:14
cjwatsonrepeating the point doesn't help03:14
cjwatsonhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-output/feisty/rdepends/ALL/foomatic-filters-ppds says:03:15
ograin any case you can only remove packages from feisty upwards ...03:15
cjwatson* Server-Ship seed03:15
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tkamppeterSorry, I meant the removal to by done in Feisty and not in Edgy.03:18
tkamppeterWhat does "* Server-Ship seed" mean?03:18
cjwatsonit means that the only reason foomatic-filters-ppds is in main is that it is listed in the server-ship seed, which is the list of packages to be included on the server edition CD in addition to minimal and standard03:19
cjwatsonI'll correct that seed now03:19
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cjwatsonthe same applies to linuxprinting.org-ppds03:20
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cjwatson... actually no, linuxprinting.org-ppds is also explicitly listed in the supported seed. Should it be in main?03:21
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cjwatsontkamppeter: fix committed to the seeds, so it'll show up in the demotions list soon and we'll deal with it shortly afterwards; thanks03:24
cjwatsontkamppeter: if you want a package removed altogether, file a bug on the package with an explanation and subscribe the ubuntu-archive team to the bug03:24
tkamppeterlinuxprinting.org-ppds should be in main, as it contains all PPDs which are not generated by Foomatic. It should be shipped on both live/desktop CDs and server CDs, so it should be in appropriate seeds.03:25
tkamppeterOnly foomatic-filters-ppds should go way.03:26
tkamppeterThank you for your help, cjwatson.03:26
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cjwatsonAs we extensively discussed during the edgy cycle, linuxprinting.org-ppds doesn't fit on the desktop CD03:29
cjwatsonif it is to be included, it needs to be reduced in size somehow03:30
cjwatsonI'll put linuxprinting.org-ppds back on the server CD, as it fits there03:32
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cjwatsontkamppeter: what about hpijs-ppds on server? it was removed from desktop with the justification that those PPDs could be created on the fly, so I assume it can be removed from server too03:34
tkamppeterYes, it can really be removed. These PPDs are also generated automatically.03:35
cjwatsongood, my commit was correct then ;-)03:35
tkamppeterFor the linuxprinting.org-ppds I had offered a split version to reduce the size during the Edgy development, but they told me that they have succeeded to get the full version onto the CDs. So the split version did not get uploaded.03:37
cjwatson(the seed changes I made also need to be merged to kubuntu, edubuntu, and xubuntu, so won't show up in the demotions list right away)03:38
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cjwatsontkamppeter: that was not the case for the final edgy images, and I'm certain we had a conversation about that03:38
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cjwatsonwe certainly talked about it on 2006-10-24, although it was too late for edgy by that time03:41
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cjwatsontkamppeter: the conversation on 2006-09-25 ended with me saying that I'd promoted linuxprinting.org-ppds to main; I cannot find any record of anyone saying that we'd found space for it on the CDs03:43
cjwatsontkamppeter: it was accidentally reintroduced to desktop for nine days by Scott (misinterpreting what the Recommends in foomatic-db was for), but that wasn't really "finding space for it", because in the end that caused other things we needed to fall off. I'm sorry you were confused by the situation.03:46
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tkamppeterSo then I suggest to introduce the splitting with the next build of linuxprinting.org-ppds which I will do, so that the most important PPDs go onto the Feisty CDs.03:54
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cjwatsontkamppeter: ok, please bring the seed change up again after that has been uploaded and built04:00
cjwatsonwe can then assess the new size increase04:01
spikebase-config base-config/package-selection string ~tubuntu-standard04:01
spikecan anybody tell me what the ~t is for?04:02
spikein the debian use it uses ~n, which sounds like regexp match on package name04:02
cjwatsonspike: ~t => task, ~n => package name; see the aptitude documentation on patterns. Also, base-config/package-selection is obsolete as of dapper.04:03
cjwatson(it's pkgsel/install-pattern now)04:03
cjwatsonyou also want ~t^ubuntu-standard$ rather than ~tubuntu-standard; I think the dapper documentation may have been a little bit out of date there04:03
spikeoh, thanks a lot04:04
cjwatsonof course in edgy it changed again ;-)04:04
Amaranthcrap there was a CC meeting yesterday?04:13
cjwatsonthat seems unlikely04:13
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cjwatsonAmaranth: doesn't appear to have been04:14
ograAmaranth, i was wondering about that blog entry as well ..04:15
cjwatsongiven that three of us were travelling back from the Canonical allhands meeting, it would have been an extremely odd date to pick04:15
AmaranthI dunno if I'm even supposed to go to one of those.04:15
AmaranthI was approved as a member a _long_ time ago but I just got my key signed and signed the CoC and such.04:15
ogracjwatson, http://blog.matid.net/articles/tag/ubuntu04:16
cjwatsonogra: look at the blog itself: "Posted by Mateusz Drodyski 47 days ago"04:16
ograheh, seems like a planet bug then :)04:17
cjwatsonogra: presumably the blog feed was broken in such a way that planet slurped it again04:17
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gnomefreakfabbione: we just got the updates for madam and lvm-common im gonna look into it a bit more but they are not configuring properly04:37
gnomefreakfabbione: error output is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32942/ whenever you get a chance i have to run out for a bit but will be back in a couple hours04:40
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fabbionegnomefreak: mdadm edgy -> feisty upgrade. I haven't nailed down that one yet05:23
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spikeeer, apparently preseeding doesnt support https to retrieve preseed files from :(05:52
spikecan anybody confirm that?05:52
spikeI've changed the url to https and sniffing the traffic I dont even see a request going out05:53
spikeit fails immediately saying "Failed to retrieve the preconfiguration file"05:53
spikebut in reality it doesnt even try05:53
spikeprobably 'cause it doesnt understand ssl05:53
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cjwatsonspike: correct; busybox wget only supports http:// and ftp:// URLs - if you look in syslog I expect you'll see an error message including "not an http or ftp url"05:55
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spikeso, what udeb shall I rebuild?05:56
spike'cause I guess that's the only way out05:56
cjwatsoner - it's not a matter of a simple rebuild. You'd have to write code05:57
cjwatsonthe source package is busybox05:57
cjwatsonyou would then have to rebuild the installer initrd as well (done by the debian-installer source package)05:57
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cjwatsonit might be easier to use initrd preseeding (/preseed.cfg file on the initrd) for anything you don't want going unencrypted over the network05:58
cjwatsonconsider whether you can actually effectively secure PXE in the first place, though ...05:59
spikeit wasnt really because of sending important info, I'm just bringing up a basic box, the work is done then by cfengine/puppet06:00
spikebut I had a nice layout with preseeding fetching stuff from an svn repo setup with webdav06:00
spikeso it played all together06:00
spikewithout extra working copies laying around and the like06:00
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cjwatsonspike: you can use WebDAV over plain HTTP as well, without SSL06:08
fdovingis there a website where one can monitor the uploaded-packages-queue for edgy-proposed? 06:09
cjwatsonfdoving: not a public one, I'm afraid06:09
fdovingcjwatson: ok, can you check on kopete for me please? 06:10
cjwatsonfdoving: I haven't looked at that SRU yet - still tired from travellling06:10
cjwatsonit remains in my inbox queue06:10
fdovingcjwatson: mdz approved it, imbrandon uploaded yesterday.06:10
fdovingso you can remove that from your todo.06:10
cjwatsonfdoving: ok, thanks. It's in edgy-proposed; I will look at it when I'm actually awake enough to do so safely, i.e. not today.06:12
fdovingcjwatson: ok, one more quick question before you go to sleep, should edgy-proposed packages be versioned ubuntuX.X? will edgy-proposed version and the feisty version conflict if they have the same version number? 06:13
cjwatsonversion numbers in different releases must be different06:14
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fdovingcjwatson: so the updates should be versioned ubuntuX.X ? 06:14
cjwatsondepends on what the current feisty version is06:14
cjwatsonor what it's next going to be06:14
cjwatsonas StableReleaseUpdates says, you should take care to avoid version number clashes. I'm not going to attempt to prescribe anything stricter than that06:15
fdovingwell.. current feisty version is 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu3, the -proposed version is the exact same. what happens now?06:15
spikecjwatson: sure but it's pointless, I'd still need another vhost:8006:15
cjwatsonfdoving: I'm rejecting the upload in -proposed now.06:15
spikewell, it would avoid the WC, indeed06:15
cjwatsonfdoving: you'll have to get it reuploaded with a version number that doesn't clash06:16
fdovingcjwatson: will do, thanks :)06:16
spikeyeah, sorry, it's a bit better as it would save me the hassle of the workingcopy06:16
cjwatsonfdoving: (yes, -0ubuntu2.1 would be fine in this case)06:19
fdovingcjwatson: changing it now. thanks again.06:20
keescookfdoving: I've started making lists of the version numbering schemes we use for security updates; it's very similar.  Check out SecurityUpdateProcedures.06:21
fdovingkeescook: ok, i'll have a look. 06:22
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giskardmjg59, do you know why we have 55-lid-state-tracking.patch07:13
giskardin gnome-power-manager07:13
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spikecjwatson: I've researched a bit about busybox and debian preseeding just to be sure, but isnt the case that debian has got some patches that allow https?07:18
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cjwatsonspike: no, we're up to date with Debian's busybox07:45
cjwatson(see http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html)07:45
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Burgworkcjwatson: thanks for the info about the installation help07:48
cjwatsonspread it around - people who have been around since <=breezy generally seem to have trouble finding where the manual moved to07:49
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sbalneavHmm, this seems serious:08:37
sbalneavroot@oin:~# aptitude install xcb08:37
sbalneavThe following packages are BROKEN:08:37
sbalneav  x11-common 08:37
sbalneavThe following NEW packages will be installed:08:37
sbalneav  xcb 08:37
sbalneav0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.08:37
sbalneavNeed to get 21.6kB of archives. After unpacking 127kB will be used.08:37
sbalneavThe following packages have unmet dependencies:08:37
sbalneav  x11-common: Conflicts: xcb (<= 2.4-4) but 2.4-4 is to be installed.08:37
sbalneavResolving dependencies...08:37
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sbalneavUnable to resolve dependencies!  Giving up...08:37
sbalneavrodarvus: ping08:37
rodarvussbalneav, pong08:38
rodarvussbalneav, is this feisty already, or edgy?08:39
sbalneavAny ideas?08:39
sbalneavthe BROKEN bit was what scared me :)08:39
rodarvusthere is a library called xcb on X.Org, but this library is not supposed to be referenced on edgy08:39
sbalneavxcb's a cut buffer program, seems to be in universe, so I'd expect it'll be MOTU packaging problem, maybe.08:41
rodarvuslet me confirm08:43
rodarvusI don't think its a problem in xcb, actually08:43
rodarvushmm, no08:44
rodarvusactually, xorg (which contains x11-common) conflicts with xcb <= 2.4-408:44
rodarvusand this is the version we have on the archives08:44
rodarvusxorg is partially inherited from Debian (including this bit)08:44
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bluefoxicyno matter what I do to /etc/ld.so.conf or LD_LIBRARY_PATH I can't get gaim to load with the debug symbols for gtk+08:58
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alex-weejcan someone suggest a better package than "pkgsel" for this bug, please? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pkgsel/+bug/6886709:01
UbugtuMalone bug 68867 in pkgsel "System freeze up during edgy installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  09:01
alex-weejmy friend is experiencing it, too and it's preventing him from receiving free software goodness09:02
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Treenakshave you tried the alternate CD?09:03
alex-weejit was the first thing i suggested09:09
alex-weejawaiting a clear answer09:09
alex-weejno he didn't - he bottled it because the installer is confusing09:09
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alex-weejquote unquote...09:10
alex-weejTreenaks: he actually just wants to run the LiveCD after-all.09:16
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tormodalex-weej, I would file it on the kernel in the first place, since it locks up.09:43
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bluefoxicyIs there a kernel debug package that provides uncompressed vmlinux (not vmlinuz)?10:24
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MacSlowGreetings everybody!10:42
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MacSlowHow can I check in Malone if a certain kernel bug (actually a sata-driver bug) was fixed or not?10:43
LaserJockMacSlow: you can use the advanced search10:44
LaserJockMacSlow: or do you know the bug number?10:44
MacSlowNo I only know what issue I have here (dmesg reports to me)10:44
MacSlowI'm trying to install 6.10 on a sata-only system and partitioning/formating the hd fails or rather hangs due to some bug10:45
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LaserJockMacSlow: you can try https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs?advanced=110:46
LaserJockMacSlow:  and add "Fix Released" under status and importance10:46
MacSlowhm... I've not found the issue I run into here to be filed in Malone (it seems)10:49
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LaserJockMacSlow: go ahead and file one them10:51
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MacSlowdue to the report from dmesg I'm unsure what to call it... 10:54
MacSlowLaserJock, that's the stuff from dmesg -> http://macslow.thepimp.net/sata-bug.txt10:55
MacSlowso will it be sufficient to call it a sata-driver bug?10:55
LaserJockI guess, I don't know either10:56
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MacSlowLaserJock, I'll try to be as verbose as possible in the bug-report11:02
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bluefoxicyPISSING ME OFF11:05
pygibluefoxicy: shhhh11:05
bluefoxicyMalone 7263011:06
UbugtuMalone bug 72630 in xserver-xorg-video-via "Xorg Via driver DRI OOPS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7263011:06
pygican't help ya =)11:07
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bluefoxicythe debug packages are so friggin' broken.11:13
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troy_swho would i speak to regarding freetype2 dev libraries on edgy?11:15
LaserJocktroy_s: it probably depends on what you want to speak about11:18
LaserJocktroy_s: find a bug?11:18
troy_sfreetype/include/internal appears to be missing files11:18
troy_sfrom libfreetype2-dev11:18
LaserJocktroy_s: I'm guessing https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/freetype/+filebug is what you want then11:21
troy_sthank yo11:22
bluefoxicysweet, got it working.  I need cairo symbols11:30
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stewskiis anyone from canonical in?11:34
stewskiplease look this up11:36
stewskithere is detail on the recently reported (as failed) FLOSS roll out11:37
HrdwrBoBthat doesn't sound like failed to me11:37
stewskiits getting reported as such which is a real shame11:38
stewskias the document details some really positive result11:39
stewskiespecially around open office11:39
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stewskibut I thought feed back and comments might be useful for the development team and canonical11:39
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crimsunhow much of it is directly relevant to Ubuntu? It looks like SLES was used.11:41
bluefoxicyAny chance of libcairo getting a -dbg package backported to edgy11:41
StevenKbluefoxicy: Why not use pitti's ddebs?11:42
bluefoxicyStevenK:  link.11:42
bluefoxicyactually I must go to class11:42
stewskinot much crimsun although I've read elsewhere that ubuntu was one of the preferred desktops from early user testing11:42
stewskibut it was not carried forward11:43
bluefoxicyhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/SktUs157.html for the interested.11:43
bluefoxicyLine 20 has my attention.11:43
stewskithe reason I'm posting it here is there are valuable lessons to be learnt about how the OSA and UK government are looking at linux desktops and maybe a lesson can be learnt for canonical pitches for support etc?11:44
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keescookbluefoxicy: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs edgy main11:52
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pygijdong: how can you doubt my packages? ^_^11:55
jdongsorry pygi , I don't know what I was thinking :)11:57
pygijdong: ^_^11:57
jdongpygi: hmm...... maybe it was something along the lines of "...There will ofcourse be a lots of bugs, problems and such...."11:57
pygijdong: what's wrong with that? :)11:58
pygijdong: you always have me to fix burning stuff11:58
jdongpygi: ok, problem number one, oh great master, I keep on putting DVD-RAMs in my CD-ROM drive and mkfs.ext3 doesn't work on it11:59
jdongfix it :)11:59
jdong(my address is 4433 Mark st, ....)11:59
pygijdong: heh :P11:59
jdong(fedex preferred)11:59
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pygivery nice LOL12:07
jdongooh what's this button do?12:07
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