=== predius [n=predius@201.230.67.219] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:15] LaserJock: maybe an entry like "modifying and rebuilding a package" [12:15] cd packages/ [12:15] do modifications [12:15] debuild -sa -S [12:15] cd .. [12:16] sudo pbuild.... [12:16] chantra: that's source packages ^_^ [12:16] just under rebuilding a package [12:16] chantra: yeah, the approach so far in the packaging guide has been for indepth packaging [12:16] pygi: oright, sorry for using the wrong terms :) [12:17] it would be good to add an little section for people who just want/need to tweak an existing source package [12:17] I believe I have that on my todo list [12:17] LaserJock: :) [12:17] LaserJock: that shouldn't be too hard to do [12:17] (to write) [12:17] todo list tends to get longer and longer :) [12:18] pygi: hard nope, long yeah :p [12:18] okie, gtg, girlfriend coming back :D [12:18] yeah, check out the braindump section of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide === chantra believe it is hard to combine both relationship and geekish activity :) [12:19] mhm [12:19] LaserJock: :))) === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-140-11-151.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chantra is now known as chantrAw [12:23] hi minghua [12:24] hello LaserJock, fixing universe? :-) [12:24] lets hope so! [12:24] hey minghua ^_^ [12:24] sadly no [12:24] whos in charge of packages.ubuntu.com? [12:24] I can't make much of a dent [12:24] its down [12:24] gnomefreak: has been for a few hours now [12:25] minghua: we should have seen that before we uploaded yesterday :P [12:25] somebody, can't remember the name [12:25] secretlondon: im just finding out about it :( === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock doesn't use packages.ubuntu.com [12:25] pygi: see what? the mistake in brasero? [12:25] minghua: indeed :) [12:26] yes we should [12:27] next time, more extra care =) [12:27] tho package is otherwise very good now [12:27] what are you guys using packages.u.c for? looking for particular files? LP seems good enough for finding package versions to me [12:27] I use it to find changelogs [12:27] as it splits them out [12:28] pygi: regarding the brasero and beagle issue, is it possible to separate the search function out as a plug-in type of thing? [12:29] minghua: not for someone thats really new to ubuntu its not and thats how i found out it was down. i dont use p.u.c often [12:29] minghua: right now, not really, and I'll probably keep beagle disabled this version of brasero. [12:29] minghua: for next release, we'lll be able to do it probably [12:30] pygi: I see [12:30] minghua: but that will be provisional solution, we plan to do some abstraction layer for both burning and search facilities [12:30] secretlondon: changelogs.ubuntu.com [12:30] gnomefreak: you mean LP is not good enough for people new to ubuntu? [12:30] that will take some time tho [12:31] LaserJock: yeah, I was thinking that changelogs are kept somewhere [12:31] minghua: i dont think its easy enough to navigate for new users [12:31] gnomefreak: agreed [12:31] LaserJock: i had no idea that existed [12:31] lp is really badly designed [12:31] why? [12:31] pygi: abstraction layer would be nicest, of course === secretlondon reckons lp shows what's wrong with closed-source software [12:31] minghua: right, but requires some work you know ^_^ === predius [n=predius@201.230.67.219] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] secretlondon: agreed=) [12:32] LaserJock: the layout mainly IMHO its not really easy to find what your looking for right away [12:32] most of the awful bugs would be fixed by now if we had the source.. [12:32] secretlondon: I'm not convinced, but perhaps [12:32] gnomefreak: it can be at times, in other ways it's really easy === minghua is not convinced either [12:33] it takes multiple page loads to do anything, things don't behave the way you'd expect [12:33] you may fix the bugs you know, but you may introduce others in the mean time [12:33] i mainly use malone, it may depend on which bits oyu use [12:33] LaserJock: agreed most of time i cna find what im looking for without issues but for me to tell someone that is new to linux or ubuntu look azt launchpad.com under packages for ubuntu its right there. [12:33] but its never right there [12:34] s/azt/at [12:34] yeah, it's much better as a resource to be linked to [12:35] the URL navigation is quite cool [12:36] I hardly ever have to click on anything [12:36] I just "build" the URL I want to go to === mr_pouit [n=silk@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=silk@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] minghua: woot, I got the lists (mdt and bugs) as a cron job on tiber [12:43] LaserJock: very nice. thanks! [12:44] minghua: I also updated MOTU/Teams/Science with the list urls and some other things === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-10-83-27.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:45] good, good. we need more people working on bugs though === secretlondon nods at minghua [12:45] unfortunately most bugs in science packages are not easy to fix [12:46] we have quite a few universe packaging, sync things to do [12:46] yes, well most people want to do feature requests and complain about the lack of stability [12:47] LaserJock: thats always the way, the want new shiny [12:48] and bug free :-) [12:48] of course :) [12:49] #72437 is a dependency bug for a bored motu [12:49] bug 72437 [12:50] Malone bug 72437 in dak "Dak build-depends on python2.3-dev, superseded by python2.4-dev" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/72437 [12:50] why does any ubuntu user want to install dak? === secretlondon shrugs. === dwatson [n=david@81-178-25-182.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:50] minghua: they do darn it, don't question the users! ;-) [12:51] because it's there, because they don't read instructions.. === minghua goes back to his corner [12:51] hmm, freeflying filed that [12:51] I wonder if he was *gasp* going to use it [12:52] well it's broken regadless.. [12:52] ask yourself when he is online? [12:52] hey, any MOTU here have a sec to look over a package? [12:53] kkubasik: heh, do you really one 1 second of review? === minghua prefers a dependency broken package than a package with correct dependency but doesn't work (because nobody tested it) [12:53] ;-) [12:53] heheh [12:53] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3422 [12:53] if someone has maybe more than a second or 2 ;) [12:53] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3490 [12:53] is anotherone for anyone who wants to be that cool [12:54] kkubasik: oh no-ones cool ;) [12:54] hehe, well in that case, I guess im just that cool [12:54] ;) [12:56] kkubasik: why does the binary package depend on python-gtk2 (>= 2.8) but the build dependency of python-gtk2-dev is not versioned? [12:56] hmm, I guess I only noticed it for the runtime [12:57] kkubasik: also your package description has whitespace wrong [12:57] you want one space at the beginning of the line, not two spaces [12:57] alright === ajmitch returns to the realm of motu [12:58] hello ajmitch === zOrK [n=eclipse@c-66-176-68-228.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] so that I can sit at the feet of many & learn [12:59] hi minghua === PriceChild [n=pricechi@unix0.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] minghua: pbuilding the test now :) [01:01] how do i kill a program that didnt response ? [01:01] a game name stax ... [01:01] kkubasik: I doubt those two changes would affect the buildability in anyway. But of course it never hurts to test [01:02] kkubasik: also I think you need to add a binary-arch: rule back in [01:02] metres: please go to #ubuntu for support, thanks [01:03] LaserJock: alright, will do [01:03] kkubasik: also, debhelper should be in Build-Depends: [01:03] :-) [01:05] ok thanks [01:05] Interesting. After I renamed my home directory, firefox gets unhappy and doesn't want to load extensions [01:05] do I really do binary-arch for python? [01:06] I though deb policy was exclusivly python packages do everything in binary-indep [01:06] im not complaining, im just trying to figure it all out [01:06] yeah [01:06] it will be empty [01:06] but Debian Policy requires it to be there === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] LaserJock: alright, sounds cool [01:08] added it back, checking the build again === pygi [n=mario@83-131-71-3.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:09] minghua: you gonna upload that xdrawchem fix? [01:10] LaserJock: I can't reproduce it, I won't upload it unless upstream acknowledge the patch [01:10] minghua: makes sense, kinda stinks that the 2 MOTUs that looked at it weren't able to reproduce [01:10] LaserJock: (or I read the code and confirm the patch is good, which I probably won't do) [01:11] any chance I can get anyone to take a peek at this upload as well [01:11] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3490 [01:11] its newer, and significantly cleaner === FliesLikeABrick_ [n=Ryan@cpe-72-224-116-131.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] who packages the kernels for ubuntu? [01:13] BenC or the kernel team [01:13] oh ok thanks :) [01:13] there is a #ubuntu-kernel channel [01:13] thanks [01:14] this conversation should be quite interesting [01:14] of course they are probably mostly recovering from SF/UDS [01:14] kkubasik: doh, I totally missed with both packages, your versioning is wrong [01:14] ? [01:14] kkubasik: they should be -0ubuntu1 if they aren't in debian [01:15] how exactly do I fix that, without messing a lot of stuff up? [01:15] LaserJock: nice catch [01:15] joejaxx: interesting? you aren't going to go heckle the kernel guys are you? [01:16] kkubasik: change it in the changelog and control file [01:16] LaserJock: not heckle just ask legitimate questions :) [01:16] or wait, not the control file [01:16] just the changelog [01:17] joejaxx: suuure ;-) === ajmitch wonders what 'legitimate questions' joejaxx has [01:17] LOl [01:17] LaserJock: we would just back door his kenerl anyways [01:17] back door? lol [01:17] hello zul [01:17] hey ajmitch how is it going? [01:18] zul: just make sure it's joejaxx specific please :-) [01:18] Urgh. It seems hopeless to fix this firefox extension thing [01:18] good, how are you? [01:18] good a lot better [01:18] well it is not actually about anything going into ubuntu [01:18] I'm glad [01:18] now you can get back to fixing xen :) [01:18] LaserJock: if(joejaxx == annoying) kill() [01:18] unless ubuntu wants it but i doubt it [01:18] ajmitch: yeah yeah :) [01:19] already updating 2.6.17 :P [01:19] if only copy and pasted worked [01:19] zul: is packaging a kernel a difficult task? === ajmitch can test another amd64 kernel tonight if needed [01:20] not really i did it for edgy [01:20] ajmitch: just kind of started but ill let you know [01:20] zul: oh [01:20] oh ok [01:20] alright === LaserJock runs off to package the -LJ sources === ajmitch is wanting to keep vmware around for now anyway, windows is too useful for some things [01:21] my kernel just boots to a prompt and says "Gets some sharks... with frikin' laser beams on their heads" [01:21] heh.. [01:21] LaserJock: LOL that is funny [01:21] zul: have you all started packing 19 yet? [01:22] joejaxx: it's been in feisty for weeks [01:22] LaserJock: the netwinder had a .wav file going "Welcome to Netwinder" do the same [01:22] alright, updated packages are in revu now [01:22] ajmitch: really? === joejaxx sources [01:22] LOL [01:22] joejaxx: sure, i was running it at UDS [01:22] ajmitch: nice thanks :) [01:23] 2.6.19 doesn't yet work with xen, but that's only a matter of time & nagging === joejaxx plots >:) [01:23] ajmitch: uh....yeah... [01:23] not that I ever would [01:23] /ignore ajmitch ALL [01:24] damn space ;) [01:24] lol [01:24] naughty zul [01:24] ajmitch: does ubuntu only support kernel upstream and thatis it? [01:24] joejaxx: explain [01:25] ajmitch: like only the things supported in the original source of kernel releases ie no patching [01:25] no [01:25] see the kernel info on the wiki === geser [n=michael@leary.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] we patch things to fix bugs or add drivers [01:26] ah ok [01:26] interesting [01:26] not Con Kolivias' weekend hackfest [01:26] hmmm [01:26] or whatever else the kids are into these days [01:27] LaserJock: both are in revu if you wanna check my changes [01:27] kkubasik: working on it [01:27] ajmitch: am i allowed to talk in #u-k? [01:28] bhale: hey, I've been meaning to ask you, what's the approx time table for getting the latests beagle packaged in feisty? [01:28] kkubasik: whenever I do it [01:28] there is no schedule [01:29] feisty is barely getting started [01:29] joejaxx: why are you asking me if you're allowed to talk? [01:29] just wondering [01:29] maybe it is like #u-d [01:29] er...gentoo-dev? [01:29] no [01:30] ubuntu-devel [01:30] bhale: I know, no super pressure or anything [01:30] I was just gonna look into backporting it [01:30] joejaxx: you are allowed to talk only if we like you [01:30] more for learing sakes, but yeah [01:30] kkubasik: new evo-sharp isnt packaged on debian yet, i heard it doesnt even build [01:30] zul: ok [01:31] joejaxx: i was kidding [01:31] oh ok [01:32] kkubasik: it is about time for evo 2.9 to break the API anyway [01:32] kkubasik: i dont know why i bother, evo-sharp is always 6 months behind [01:33] bhale: agreed [01:33] its always a halting effort at best [01:34] bhale: do you do tomboy as well? [01:34] LaserJock: I guess [01:34] I used to do everything [01:34] now slomo does just about everything [01:34] heh [01:34] he rules. [01:35] yes, yes he does === predius [n=predius@201.230.67.219] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] now the rest of us just sit back [01:36] LaserJock: tomboy was the first debian package i did from scratch [01:36] LaserJock: REVU'd by jdub and seb128 [01:37] oh cool [01:37] since then it was hijacked [01:37] did you really use REVU? [01:37] no :) [01:37] that's what I thought === twanj [n=chatzill@c-66-176-118-121.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] haha lol [01:40] kkubasik: your debian/rules files seem overly complicated to me [01:41] I mean, I basically just trimmed out whatever I could from the default dh-make [01:41] that still built [01:42] well, like there is stuff for figuring out the build arch [01:42] but this is arch independent === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.144.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:44] you really don't need install-indep: and binary-common: rules [01:44] LaserJock: hi [01:45] hi freeflying, we were talking about the bug you filed on dak [01:45] kkubasik: you don't need dh_strip if there are no binaries to strip [01:45] alight [01:46] LaserJock: I see [01:46] kkubasik: also check to see if you really need usr/sbin in debian/dirs [01:46] kkubasik: just nitpicky stuff === predius [n=predius@201.230.67.219] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] alright [01:47] kkubasik: good looking packages though [01:47] LaserJock: your packaging guide doesn't recommend using dh_make anymore, does it? [01:47] debian/copright actually has information [01:47] minghua: hmm, not sure [01:47] I personally think dh_make is fine [01:47] minghua: yeah, they still say use dh_make [01:48] if it's up to me, I'll write "dh_make is unsuitable for real packaging" or something like that [01:48] unsuitable? I would hardly say that [01:49] LaserJock: we have different opinions, of course [01:49] and I know my opinion is not popular [01:49] but still [01:50] your opinions are certainly appreciated [01:50] I agree that dh_make seems a little outdats [01:50] dated* and whatnot [01:51] especially since it has no way to account for any sort of managed code [01:51] but I'm just not sure where the balance is [01:51] yeah, it's a fine line [01:52] on one had it gives outdated and sometimes not quite right info [01:52] on the other hand, it does provide good examples for formatting and pretty much everything but debian/rules === predius_ [n=predius@201.230.67.219] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:53] <_MMA_> LaserJock: Did I already ask you when the Feisty dailys start to be built? [01:53] yes, for a new packager, I would say "run dh_make and see what it gives you, read them and understand what they mean, then start from scratch again" [01:53] ok, those fixes are in REVU [01:54] that's kinda what I do [01:55] I use the files from the actual packages in the end [01:55] in the packaging guide [01:56] I think was really needs to happen is a consolidation of the MOTU wiki pages [01:56] there are lots that are half done/old [01:56] heh [01:56] that either need love or the aze [01:56] axe* === fernando [n=fernando@201-24-145-217.bsace705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:56] kkubasik: that is very much a known issue :-) === minghua wonders if we should put "we are stretched thin" on topic channel and wiki main page :-P [01:57] haha === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-10-83-27.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:58] <_MMA_> LaserJock: Did you see my question? [01:58] _MMA_: oh yeah, sorry. I'm not sure. I'm guessing pretty soon as the Canonical conf is over === predius [n=predius@201.230.67.219] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:59] _MMA_: the first Herd cd is due out pretty soon [01:59] <_MMA_> Ok. BTW, How are you feeling? [01:59] still crappy [01:59] <_MMA_> :( [01:59] getting better [01:59] ah so i have spread my germs internationally [01:59] but then I have to go in to the dentist tomorrow [01:59] well done zul [01:59] zul: my whole lab got sick [01:59] sucky [02:00] minghua: how about a "MOTUs on the edge, might have a mental breakdown at any second, poke at your own risk" [02:01] hmm why is 2.6.19 not accessible in feisty === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon10999.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:01] LaserJock: sounds accurate [02:01] joejaxx: it is [02:02] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty main [02:02] bah [02:02] uname -r returns [02:02] 17 [02:02] that's because you haven't installed 2.6.19 [02:02] LaserJock: sounds better than mine :-) [02:02] linux-meta doesn't point to .19 [02:02] so it is manual [02:02] ah [02:03] uh oh, crimsun has come out of lurking [02:03] has the powerpc compiled deb been uploaded? === ajmitch shrugs [02:03] you can check on launchpad [02:03] joejaxx: that's what LP is for [02:03] LP? [02:03] Launchpad [02:03] oh [02:03] feisty powerpc Failed to build [02:03] i actually do not know how to check that [02:03] crimsun: ah ok [02:03] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.19/2.6.19-6.7 [02:04] there is always 2.6.19-{1,2,3,4,5} to choose from :-) === predius_ [n=predius@201.230.67.219] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:04] is there a special way you all compile the kernels? [02:05] usually kernel-package [02:05] we do a special kernel compile dance. [02:05] & a sprinkling of pixie dust [02:05] i have compiled a kernel before but i am wondering if you all do something special === joejaxx does the special kernel compile dance [02:05] crimsun also tends to sacrifice a pony while doing so [02:05] hmm that did not help === kkubasik [n=kjk38@kjk38-laptop.student.cwru.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] but i should be able to download the ubuntu kernel source and compile it right? [02:06] oh. so that's where all those ponies went [02:06] :( === joejaxx just wants to make sure [02:07] yeah we went to ponyville and killed them (http://www.hasbro.com/mylittlepony/) [02:07] Lol [02:07] the streets ran red.. === LaserJock cries [02:08] not the ponies [02:08] lol [02:10] http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu === mr_pouit [n=silk@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] LaserJock: with the fixes I committed for labyrinth, is it good to go in? [02:12] working on it [02:12] building the .deb [02:12] hi all [02:13] LaserJock: sounds cool [02:14] rmjb: oh joy. Because vanilla is so much better [02:17] oh... shoot, I didn't actually read the article, just saw it on digg a while back [02:18] I much prefer chocolate ice cream to vanilla [02:18] I have a problem with debuild, my secret key doesnt available and I dont know why because I have one... [02:18] fudge [02:19] metres: there's a bug in debuild, if you have the "use agent" option in your gpg.conf file it fails [02:19] comment out or remove that option from .gnupg/gpg.conf and try the command again [02:21] kkubasik: labyrinth isn't using the new python policy [02:21] correctly at least === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] the only line which is uncomment in my gnu.gpg is the one for the keyserver... [02:22] comment or remove the "use-agent" line === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] oh wait, I just understood what you said [02:23] what's the error message you get? [02:23] LaserJock: alright, let me dig up some literature [02:23] Now signing changes and any dsc files... [02:23] signfile epdfview_0.1.5-1.dsc Daniel Sauv [02:23] gpg: Daniel Sauv a t ignor: la cl secrte n'est pas disponible [02:23] gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: la cl secrte n'est pas disponible [02:23] debsign: gpg error occurred! Aborting.... [02:24] metres: you don't get a prompt for your key at any time? === mr_pouit [n=silk@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] no I add export GPGKEY=EF2FC4CC to my .bashrc [02:25] kkubasik: have you seen http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy ? === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:26] no, but that looks like what im looking for === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] Hobbsee! [02:27] Hobbsee! [02:27] Hobbsee!!! [02:27] I use this key to sign the code of conduct so it should be a good key !? [02:28] metres: try adding -kEF2FC4CC to the end of your debuild line [02:28] hey ajmitch, secretlondon! [02:28] LaserJockWWW [02:28] metres: debuild -S -sa -kEF2FC4CC [02:29] hi Hobbsee [02:29] hey fernando [02:29] It worked :) thanks [02:29] metres: you're welcome === predius [n=predius@201.230.208.93] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@unix0.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:38] oh, another Qubecois :) [02:38] salut thecore [02:39] metres, bonjour === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:40] does debsign can use a gnupg agent? [02:40] or it still need to have the key explicitly specified? === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:42] hey everybody [02:43] hi Toadstool [02:43] hey Toadstool [02:43] hi toadstool [02:44] hey fernando metres & secretlondon [02:45] hey Toadstool [02:46] good one rmjb [02:46] :) === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:49]