[01:45] <archis> Hi, anybody there to help me understand a few things about upstart etc?
[01:50] <archis> hmm, so my situation is basically identical to use case 'Fabian' on upstart's Edgy spec page, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReplacementInit
[01:50] <archis> 'Fabian is a power user who wishes to use a USB disk for part of his filesystem. This currently frequently fails because the USB disk sometimes takes longer to initialise than the boot process takes to get to the point where it mounts the filesystem. He would rather the boot process was robust, and the disk was mounted when initialised.'
[01:51] <archis> whereby I should add that I am using the USB disk for swap as well.
[01:52] <archis> My 5.10 Breezy fstab had them all enunciated, and it just worked that way. link: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32913/
[01:53] <archis> keybuk told me that this was because there was enough unexpected delay in the system to allow the USB disk to initialize
[01:55] <archis> That didn't work any more with the much faster boot-up of Dapper. The system complained and I had to take the USB disk volumes out of my fstab. link: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32914/
[01:58] <archis> Now that Edgy has added UUIDs to each volume in my fstab. link: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32915/
[01:58] <archis> I haven't added the USB volumes back to fstab yet - is that all I need to do now?
[02:01] <archis> Also, I continue to have problems with the swap located on the USB drive - it doesn't come online automatically even though it is in my fstab and I have to enable it manually.
[02:01] <archis> Any suggestions?
[02:17] <archis> ...
[02:26] <archis> Hi Keybuk ..
[02:26] <Keybuk> heyhey
[02:26] <archis> Do you have a minute?
[02:27] <Keybuk> sure
[02:27] <Keybuk> sure
[02:27] <Keybuk> what's up?
[02:28] <archis> I have a few questions wrt upstart - I just wrote it all down here a little earlier - can you
[02:28] <archis> get this or do you want to repeat it?
[02:28] <Keybuk> repeat it :)
[02:28] <Keybuk> I'm just getting everything back online at home after two weeks in SF
[02:28] <archis> hehe..
[02:29] <archis> so my situation is basically identical to use case 'Fabian' on upstart's Edgy spec page, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReplacementInit
[02:29] <archis> 'Fabian is a power user who wishes to use a USB disk for part of his filesystem. This currently frequently fails because the USB disk sometimes takes longer to initialise than the boot process takes to get to the point where it mounts the filesystem. He would rather the boot process was robust, and the disk was mounted when initialised.'
[02:29] <Keybuk> ok
[02:29] <archis> whereby I should add that I am using the USB disk for swap as well.
[02:29] <archis> My 5.10 Breezy fstab had them all enunciated, and it just worked that way. link: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32913/
[02:29] <archis> you  told me that this was because there was enough unexpected delay in the system to allow the USB disk to initialize
[02:29] <archis>  That didn't work any more with the much faster boot-up of Dapper. The system complained and I had to take the USB disk volumes out of my fstab. link: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32914/
[02:29] <Keybuk> actually, Breezy it was more likely due to the fact breezy used hotplug
[02:30] <archis>  Now Edgy has added UUIDs to each volume in my fstab. link: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32915/
[02:30] <Keybuk> whereas since Dapper, we've used udev
[02:30] <archis> aha
[02:30] <archis>  I haven't added the USB volumes back to fstab yet - is that all I need to do now?
[02:30] <archis> Also, I continue to have problems with the swap located on the USB drive - it doesn't come online automatically even though it is in my fstab and I have to enable it manually.
[02:30] <archis> That was my rant.. :)
[02:30] <Keybuk> no, it hasn't been fixed yet
[02:30] <archis> ah ok
[02:31] <Keybuk> edgy is largely identical to dapper, except that we changed /sbin/init from sysvinit to upstart
[02:31] <Keybuk> it's still driving the System V boot process though
[02:31] <Keybuk> feisty is the release where we intend to have an event-driven boot
[02:31] <archis> ok i see.
[02:32] <archis> so I'd just leave things as they are for now
[02:33] <archis> actually yeah i remember you were telling me about a udev race
[02:33] <archis> condition being the probable cause
[02:33] <archis> on dapper
[02:33] <archis> :)
[02:34] <Keybuk> *nods*
[02:34] <archis> ok thanks
[04:05] <wasabi> Keybuk: pong
[04:06] <Keybuk> wasabi: buggered if I can remember ;)
[04:06] <wasabi> hah
[04:07] <Keybuk> probably something to do with the wiki
[04:07] <Keybuk> or maybe a spec I was trying to write
[08:26] <_ion> Can someone translate those quit messages? :-)
[08:28] <thom> i believe scott's is a firefly quote