[12:16] <fdoving> Tonio_: ping?
[12:22] <fdoving> anyone around for kio-apt a upload to main?
[12:24] <fdoving> Riddell: ping ^^ if you're around http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/kio-apt/
[12:24] <fdoving> good nite.
[12:33] <Tonio_> fdoving: pong
[12:35] <Tonio_> fdoving: what does it change ? we already have kio-apt in the repos no ?
[12:35] <fdoving> Tonio_: can you do a kio-apt upload to main? http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/kio-apt/ 
[12:35] <fdoving> Tonio_: it adds feisty sections to the dropdown menu.
[12:35] <Tonio_> fdoving: okay will look and upload :)
[12:36] <fdoving> thanks. :)
[12:36] <fdoving> Riddell: tonio fixed it, sorry about the noise. :)
[12:36] <fdoving> and good nite to all.
[01:58] <Mez> minghua ping
[04:23] <robotgeek> imbrandon: is there a possiblity of seeing amarok 1.4.4 for dapper?
[04:24] <imbrandon> robotgeek: it should be in dapper-backports , if its not i'll see what i can do about getting it backported
[04:25] <robotgeek> hmm, okay. i am scared of backports. it always screws my system up. 
[04:25] <imbrandon> heh , umm well it will NEVER hit -updates if thats what your asking
[04:25] <robotgeek> this time it was complaining about libvisual or so, i think (for 1.4.3)
[04:26] <imbrandon> right, thats the need for backports , it becouse of new libs etc
[04:26] <robotgeek> oh okay. alrite, i will be patitent
[04:26] <imbrandon> Jucato: backports
[04:27] <Jucato> ah
[04:27] <imbrandon> robotgeek: yea it looks to be only 1.4.3 in dapper backports, i'll get a new version there soonish
[04:28] <Jucato> imbrandon: Dapper users will be very thankful :)
[04:28] <robotgeek> imbrandon: no, problem. my 1.4.1 works without issues, i wanna try (and showoff) to my amarok denied friends
[04:28] <imbrandon> bah, they should be using edgy unless they have it on a server imho, but thats just mho :)
[04:28] <imbrandon> Jucato: ^
[04:29] <robotgeek> imbrandon: i just dont want to fix what ain't broken
[04:29] <Jucato> probably. except the upgrade to Edgy is a bit scary. unless of course they're willing to do a fresh install, then Edgy is the way to go! :)
[04:30] <imbrandon> robotgeek: i used to say that too , untill i ran accross what your running accross now :) in my experince you will more likely break a system even if one or two things are backported then upgrade the whole system because of libs and interaction etc
[04:30] <imbrandon> so its a war between new shiney and stable :)
[04:31] <crimsun> I don't intro people to edgy.
[04:31] <crimsun> that way madness lies.
[04:31] <robotgeek> stable over shiny on this machine, i actually do some work on this one :)
[04:32] <imbrandon> Jucato: you must not have preformed many upgrades in your lifetime :) yes upgrading always is a bit tedius , its not a one click process like we would like it BUT its shitloads better than anything every prior on ANY os or distro :)
[04:32] <robotgeek> well, on kubuntu its mostly 3.5.5, which i already have. so, no biggie
[04:32] <jdong> imbrandon: I've ok'ed it for edgy-backports already (I see you did too anyway)
[04:32] <jdong> imbrandon: not sure about dapper :)
[04:33] <Jucato> imbrandon: yeah. I've only done 2 upgrades. Breezy to Dapper and Dapper to Edgy. but Edgy was more tedious. and that's also based on a lot of users' experience (but they're usually at fault)
[04:33] <imbrandon> jdong: well thats edgy backports, it will take source changes to goto dapper
[04:33] <imbrandon> jdong: 
[04:33] <jdong> imbrandon: I thought so :)
[04:33] <robotgeek> imbrandon: i hope you remember that i am still a loyal ppc user :)
[04:33] <imbrandon> robotgeek: as am i :)
[04:33] <jdong> heck these days I don't remember what I've tried to build and what I' haven't :)
[04:34] <Jucato> jdong: or whether you've built them against the correct release? :P
[04:34] <imbrandon> jdong: thats why its good to stick to the proggrams you know, keeps the QA up
[04:34] <jdong> Jucato: I'm gonna smack you :)
[04:34] <crimsun> I remember at least one. It starts with an 'f' and ends with an "Oh no you're not!"
[04:34] <Jucato> jdong: well, you are geographically nearer to me than the other devs (I presume)
[04:34] <jdong> crimsun: hehe :)
[04:34] <imbrandon> crimsun: hehe
[04:34] <Jucato> hehe
[04:35] <jdong> for the record I've become much more careful after that :)
[04:35] <Jucato> only time will tell... :)
[04:35] <imbrandon> *COUGH*you still need to become a MOTU *COUGH*
[04:35] <imbrandon> heheh
[04:35] <Jucato> :)
[04:36] <jdong> imbrandon: that's on my todo list
[04:37] <imbrandon> jdong: i know, just rasin ya a bit
[04:37] <nixternal> hola!
[04:37] <robotgeek> imbrandon: congrats!
[04:37] <jdong> imbrandon: I'll come nag you when the time comes :D
[04:37] <crimsun> imbrandon: nice!
[04:38] <ajmitch> imbrandon: the local sysadmin job?
[04:38] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yea the GSI one 
[04:38] <ajmitch> sweet
[04:38] <nixternal> gsi the internet provider?
[04:38] <ajmitch> now you can be a bum no longer :)
[04:38] <imbrandon> nixternal: yea
[04:38] <nixternal> isp rather
[04:38] <nixternal> holy jesus, in KC?
[04:38] <imbrandon> not ISP
[04:38] <imbrandon> hosting
[04:38] <robotgeek> free internet for all, lol!
[04:38] <nixternal> they used to ISP, and host
[04:38] <imbrandon> and colo stuff
[04:38] <nixternal> ya
[04:39] <nixternal> dude, they bought a company i used to work for
[04:39] <imbrandon> they dont do any end user internet though
[04:39] <nixternal> or partnered with them
[04:39] <nixternal> i met a couple of their techs a couple years back
[04:39] <ajmitch> so how will this cut into your ubuntu time?
[04:39] <robotgeek> imbrandon: congrats anyways, i gotta run now. bbl
[04:39] <imbrandon> yea they are huge, they bought a ton of companies
[04:39] <imbrandon> robotgeek: thanks
[04:39] <imbrandon> ajmitch: i dont think much, they actualy run all redhat and ubuntu boxen ( migrating to ubuntu )
[04:39] <nixternal> they used to have colo space at equinox in chicago when they took over 3rd coast..they took over all our win dns servers
[04:40] <nixternal> we had sun boxes they phased out
[04:40] <imbrandon> i mean obviously SOME, but i think they will be leanant with me too
[04:40] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ^
[04:41] <nixternal> imbrandon: they used to have this admin, big mike i think...i called him cornfed...he was a big ol' boy
[04:41] <nixternal> he did all of the ms commerce servers
[04:41] <imbrandon> one thing i did find out that i can say without fear of the NDA ( LOL ) is visa ( as in the cc company ) and burgerking, and walmart are their 3 bigest customers
[04:41] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ^
[04:41] <ajmitch> imbrandon: not bad
[04:41] <ajmitch> someone get me a job, please :)
[04:41] <nixternal> imbrandon: if i remember correctly...they use a 3rd party for their db work, and my buddy jeremy does some db work either for them or some of their clients
[04:42] <crimsun> ajmitch: why not work for Canonical? :)
[04:42] <imbrandon> move here to kc, i sure i could, they seem to be hiring a ton of people ( they just opened the 3rd DC here in kansas city )
[04:42] <ajmitch> crimsun: they'd never have me :)
[04:42] <ajmitch> crimsun: silly question, honestly
[04:42] <imbrandon> heh
[04:43] <crimsun> never know til you try
[04:43] <imbrandon> nixternal: no they do it inhouese, i went on a tour today and met a ton of people
[04:44] <nixternal> i will ask him...i did t1 conversions in KC years back (the sonnet their t1s were on..change the sonnet to a oc12 sonnet, which im sure is larger now)
[04:44] <imbrandon> crimsun: yea i had a little chat with him and mark at UDS that got my hopes up, but the process takes months from what benc and others told me
[04:44] <nixternal> i believe they have dual 48s now
[04:45] <imbrandon> nixternal: more like 7 ( pierd from 3 providers ) at each DC
[04:45] <imbrandon> is what i seen today
[04:45] <imbrandon> they run the 1and1 noc in KC and 2 of their own
[04:45] <nixternal> well i know 2 provers of anythign over oc12 in our region, att/sbc and global
[04:46] <imbrandon> anyhow , yes i was/am psyced about it
[04:46] <nixternal> i have a glass layout of the midwest from working on a dc build project the past 2 years
[04:46] <nixternal> thats cool bro, congrats
[04:46] <imbrandon> this is like my 2nd dream job ( other than canonical heheh )
[04:47] <nixternal> nothing like owning your company
[04:47] <imbrandon> yea there is , heheh, i hated running my own company, i mean i liked the freedom, but i hated all the "business" end of it
[04:47] <nixternal> i just need to make it profitable again
[04:48] <nixternal> i love the business end
[04:48] <ajmitch> imbrandon: congrats anyway
[04:48] <imbrandon> ajmitch: thanks bro
[04:48] <imbrandon> i mean what can be better than to get paid to make sure a few hundred linux and sun boxen stay up and secure :)
[04:49] <nixternal> get paid for sitting on your arse ;p
[04:49] <nixternal> keeping you belly secure
[04:49] <imbrandon> lol
[04:50] <nixternal> ya, i have 2 prospects now which i have been donating a little time to...one is a startup in mexico ;) just where i want to be, and the other is a startup in london (not greece, but close enough)
[04:51] <crimsun> it's great, I don't even have a TODO. I have a DON'TDO
[04:51] <crimsun> everything else is a TODO :/
[04:51] <nixternal> hahah
[04:51] <imbrandon> crimsun: hahaha
[04:51] <nixternal> i wonder who added me to the op team
[04:51] <imbrandon> on LP ?
[04:52] <nixternal> ya
[04:52] <nixternal> one of 2 people from what i can see
[04:52] <imbrandon> hrm , probably a mistake as those have to be approved by the CC
[04:52] <nixternal> i got ops in motu at that
[04:52] <crimsun> everyone has ops in motu
[04:52] <nixternal> oh
[04:52] <crimsun> it's open access
[04:52] <nixternal> ahhh
[04:52] <imbrandon> crimsun: not anymore, i fixed that last night
[04:52] <crimsun> oh, right
[04:52] <imbrandon> err rob fixed that
[04:53] <nixternal> imbrandon: since when do they have to be approved by the cc?  don't see that anywhere..i just see 2 people that have the powah to hook ya up
[04:54] <nixternal> interesting
[04:54] <nixternal> now im not on the team..right as i said that too
[04:54] <nixternal> lol
[04:54] <imbrandon> nixternal: yes, they can physicly add you to the list , but new irc op team members have to be "ok"'d by the CC
[04:55] <imbrandon> always been like that afaik, but soon it will be done by the irc council
[04:55] <imbrandon> ( just like the forums council and motu one etc )
[04:56] <nixternal> ahhh
[05:04] <ajmitch> council grayskull!
[05:04] <imbrandon> bwhahah
[05:04] <ajmitch> ie, dholbach & the motu trinity
[05:05] <ajmitch> any bets on who it'll actually be?
[05:15] <imbrandon> no idea, i figured it would be dholbach laserjock me crimsun and you
[05:16] <imbrandon> but i guess we'll see 
[06:14] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2549
[06:14] <Hawkwind> What exactly does a person have to do to get an app packaged for the next release ?
[06:14] <Hawkwind> Do we file a bug/wishlist or what ?
[06:15] <imbrandon> no you either a) package it and put it on revu b) convince a MOTU to doso c) add it to the list and *hope* someone see's it and cares to package it
[06:16] <imbrandon> ( here is the url for c) , but its the leaste likely for it to happen , https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Candidates )
[06:16] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: You'd be the one to care about it actually 
[06:16] <crimsun> hint: (b) and (c) are less likely to attract attention
[06:16] <Hawkwind> It's a game that every distro has, except Ubuntu :(
[06:17] <imbrandon> :)
[06:17] <Hawkwind> I've tried to build it, but I'm not experienced enough in deb building to get it built
[06:18] <imbrandon> give me the url, i cant promis anything as i have a full plate and am starting a new job soon  BUT if i have time i can look at it ( i would keep searching for someone though )
[06:18] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: http://xu4.sourceforge.net
[06:19] <imbrandon> k
[06:19] <Hawkwind> Seems as old as this game is it would atleast be in Debian
[06:20] <Hawkwind> Well well, seems it is: http://debian.frodo.looijaard.name/public/sarge/pool/ultima4/x/xu4/
[06:21] <imbrandon> heh
[06:21] <imbrandon> if its already packaged and will compile for feisty and isnt too crackfull i can sponsor the upload
[06:21] <Hawkwind> That's probably a 3rd party repo though
[06:21] <freeflying> Hawkwind: It's not in debian now?
[06:21] <imbrandon> that takes much less time to review and upload
[06:21] <Hawkwind> freeflying: No idea.  
[06:22] <freeflying> Hawkwind: as imbrandon said above, you can upload to revu, and ask for sponsor upload
[06:22] <Hawkwind> freeflying: I'm not that good of a packager yet for *Ubuntu though is the problem
[06:23] <imbrandon> i'm grabbing the dsc now to look it over
[06:23] <imbrandon> i can spend the time to revu and uplaod it, just not too much time to packae sometrhing new atm
[06:23] <nixternal> i can take a crack at it if you would like imbrandon 
[06:24] <imbrandon> nixternal: its already done
[06:24] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Seems there are 3 packages for it total
[06:24] <imbrandon> just needs revu'd
[06:24] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: ?
[06:24] <Hawkwind> http://debian.frodo.looijaard.name/public/sarge/pool/ultima4/u/ultima4-graphics-upgrade/
[06:24] <Hawkwind> http://debian.frodo.looijaard.name/public/sarge/pool/ultima4/u/ultima4-data/
[06:24] <imbrandon> k
[06:24] <Hawkwind> You need all 3 packages for it to run
[06:26] <crimsun> it installs into /opt
[06:26] <Hawkwind> hawkwind@Britannia:~$ which ultima4
[06:26] <Hawkwind> /usr/games/ultima4
[06:26] <Hawkwind> Not here it didn't
[06:27] <imbrandon> hrm, i need to check the exact lic for the data files too
[06:27] <imbrandon> looks like they are public domain 
[06:27] <imbrandon> but not sure
[06:27] <crimsun> Hawkwind: I'm looking at ultima4-graphics-upgrade
[06:28] <crimsun> yes, it needs to be overhauled
[06:30] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Hmmm, I installed the graphics package too, yet nothing in opt here for them
[06:30] <imbrandon> wow , yea these need a bit of love
[06:30] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Heh, I'm sure they do.  It's a very old game to say the least
[06:30] <crimsun> ah, "new paths"
[06:31] <imbrandon> if for notheing else but for man pages and copyrights etc
[06:31] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: I do really appreciate you taking the time to look at it.  I don't like compiling things and this is one thing I've always compiled to play as I play it every single day
[06:32] <Hawkwind> I can't live without this game.....as it's where my nick comes from of course :)
[06:32] <imbrandon> heh yea, i played all the ultima's and UO
[06:32] <imbrandon> even made an server emu for UO
[06:33] <Jucato> heh
[06:33] <imbrandon> but those days are gone for me ( mostly , i revist them now and again )
[06:42] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: I play xu4 for atleast 5 minutes each day.  Just to revisit those days :)
[07:33] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[07:34] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[07:34] <Jucato> is that Quinn_Storm the same Quinn Storm of beryl?
[07:35] <crimsun> yes.
[07:35] <Jucato> I thought Quinn was a "he"? 
[07:35] <crimsun> no
[07:37] <Jucato> oh nvm... don't want to disturb him :)
[08:47] <nixternal> lol @ Jucato 
[08:48] <Jucato> I presumed that Quinn was a "he" based on the picture put up in a Linux.com article
[08:50] <Jucato> ok... keep me in the dark :)
[09:01] <Mez> damnit
[09:01] <Mez> hooked on a new online game i found
[09:03] <nixternal> and that game is?
[09:07] <Jucato> is adept_notifier supposed to check for updates once in a while? what's the interval/time for this?
[09:08] <fdoving> Jucato: once a day. during cron.daily.
[09:08] <Jucato> ah thanks
[09:09] <fdoving> it's configured in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/15adept-periodic-update
[09:09] <fdoving> APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1";
[09:10] <Jucato> thanks fdoving
[09:10] <fdoving> if you change that to 2, it's once every second day.. iirc.
[09:11] <Jucato> ah
[09:11] <fdoving> as you see in that file, you can configure apt to auto download updates too.
[09:12] <Jucato> yeah. and auto clean
[09:14] <fdoving> off to work.
[09:14] <fdoving> bye.
[09:15] <seaLne> http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/JonoBacon/
[09:15] <Jucato> oooh new interview
[09:16] <Riddell> he gets up at 8:30!  crazy man
[09:17] <seaLne> s/cr/l/ :)
[09:17] <Jucato> hehe
[09:26] <seaLne> Riddell: any idea if there is a group photo from uds-mtv?
[09:32] <Riddell> seaLne: no, there wasn't one alas
[09:45] <Mez> nixternal: slavehack.com
[10:18] <Riddell> seaLne: can you send me an invoice for sebas's t-shirt as used at Linuxbijeenkomst
[10:18] <Riddell> pgp signed e-mail is fine
[11:44] <seaLne> should kde work in feisty? after kdm i just get the background for during splash then nothing
[11:55] <Riddell> it should yes
[12:02] <seaLne> it doesn't for me unfortunatly
[12:03] <seaLne> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33095/
[12:04] <seaLne> just sits there
[12:05] <seaLne> not sure that anything in .xsession-errors is related: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33096/
[12:06] <Riddell> seaLne: do you have /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap ?
[12:06] <seaLne> nope
[12:07] <seaLne> which dosen't seem to be in any package
[12:07] <seaLne> gnome won't start either
[12:09] <seaLne> kde won't start from gdm either
[12:10] <seaLne> and gnome won't start from gdm either
[12:11] <seaLne> and i was looking forward to having a working machine today after the lvm and mdadm stuff was fixed allowing me to boot :-)
[12:11] <seaLne> feisty is a lot less stable than dapper or edgy were at this time
[12:26] <gnomefreak> not to me
[12:36] <Tonio_> hi all :)
[12:36] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_!
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: your kdelibs upload yesterday failed to build.... I'm trying to fix
[12:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: I just uploaded a fix
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ;) okay
[12:37] <Riddell> seaLne: KDE working fine for me in a chroot (which isn't the same as a full session right enough)
[12:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hu ? works here
[12:40] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: apparently it's running, but the window wont come up, nor can i seem to get into the options by hitting ctrl+c, like usual
[12:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum, isn't that due to your katapultrc file ?
[12:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: try to remove ~/.kde/share/config, then killall katapult and relainch it
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes, but i can usually bring it up by hitting alt+space, then ctrl+c
[12:41] <Hobbsee> i'm not removing my entire config dir :P
[12:42] <Tonio_> +katapultrc of course :)
[12:42] <Hobbsee> bingo
[12:42] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:44] <Hobbsee> and my multimedia keys appear to have stopped working.  yay
[12:46] <kwwii> oops
[12:48] <Hobbsee> right, this doesnt look good
[12:48] <Hobbsee> 162 NoSymbol
[12:48] <Hobbsee> from running it thru xev
[12:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: multimedia keys are fixed in kdebase upload I just did
[12:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: strange really.......
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh right.
[12:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: and katapult doesn't work now ?
[12:50] <Tonio_> supposed to since the bug is fixed in feisty
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: didnt when i dist-upgraded.  does after removing katapultrc
[12:51] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum......
[12:52] <Hobbsee> hmm.  ksensors seems to hate me too, and i uploaded that.  may just be a quirk with this laptop not supporting it
[12:57] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: seems not. 
[12:57] <gnomefreak> well other than kernel and mdadm updates only thing left was kde updates and i didnt see anything that would cause apt to segfault
[01:00] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: what version of apt ar eyou on?
[01:00] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: Version: 0.6.45ubuntu14
[01:01] <gnomefreak> not to find out how to get my version :(
[01:01] <Hobbsee> sorry?
[01:02] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i need to figure out what version of apt i have seeing as apt doesnt work i cant apt-cache
[01:02] <Riddell> nixternal, robotgeek: have you seen the kubuntu screencast? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5676029952918957384
[01:02] <Riddell> I wonder how we can bring that into the doc team
[01:02] <gnomefreak> synaptic crashes also :(
[01:04] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you cant use madison-lite or something?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: duh.  just check what hte latest version is in /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:04] <gnomefreak> i used apt-get -v
[01:05] <gnomefreak> i have same version
[01:05] <Hobbsee> ahh
[01:05] <Hobbsee> yeah, i realised - hence the looking in /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:05] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:06] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: your fully up to date?
[01:07] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmm thats weird
[01:08] <gnomefreak> maybe not i guess its always listed as _usr_bin_apt-cache
[01:10] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: seem so
[01:11] <gnomefreak> most of the crash reports have big red X on them :( cant pen them
[01:11] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:12] <gnomefreak> open*
[01:17] <gnomefreak> apt is python isnt it?
[01:17] <Hobbsee> smart certainly is
[01:21] <Riddell> apt is not python except the python-apt bindings
[01:24] <gnomefreak> clean install is looking very likely atm but i will be looking into this one as i find it weird
[01:31] <Roey> hi!
[01:31] <Roey> hey Riddell 
[01:53] <Tonio_> hum, I'll probably have to finish the merging for all the package I work on or maintain to have time to do the samba stuff....
[01:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: the good point is that the multimedia thing is about over now
[01:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll just have to change the seeds when python-qt4 is installable and kubuntu-desktop works
[01:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will probably now include the dvd ripping stuff, since that requires a bunch of multiverse apps
[01:56] <Tonio_> s/now/not
[01:57] <freeflying_> Riddell: ping
[01:57] <Hobbsee|Remote> hey freeflying_ 
[01:57] <freeflying_> Hobbsee|Remote: hi
[01:59] <Riddell> hi freeflying_ 
[01:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: there shouldn't be a need to wait to change the seeds
[02:00] <freeflying_> Riddell: dose qt-3.3.7 patched with qt-immodule?
[02:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, okay
[02:00] <Tonio_> python-qt4 isn't a build dep then ?
[02:00] <Tonio_> I'll do it today
[02:01] <Riddell> freeflying: there's 5 immodule patches in there
[02:07] <Riddell> 13:01 < Riddell> freeflying: there's 5 immodule patches in there
[02:08] <freeflying_> Riddell: scim can not work with qt-3.3.7 in feisty now
[02:16] <Riddell> freeflying_: I did notice a lot of undefined symbols, I wonder if the visibility change means it needs recompiled
[02:26] <freeflying_> Riddell: recompile can not solve
[03:24] <seaLne> can anyone remind me how you can compare package version strings?
[03:30] <Riddell> dpkg --compare-versions 2 gt 1; echo $?
[03:31] <Riddell> seaLne: poke poke, about t-shirt invoice
[03:31] <Tonio_> if someone would like to revu dolphin and jabbin on revu, that would be nice :)
[03:31] <seaLne> Riddell: i can't send gpg email
[03:34] <Riddell> seaLne: non gpg then
[03:35] <seaLne> Riddell: what should the exit status be if its correct?
[03:35] <Riddell> 0
[03:35] <Riddell> 1 if wrong
[03:36] <seaLne> thanks
[03:42] <seaLne> Riddell: you didn't get rid of any in US?
[03:43] <Riddell> seaLne: two
[03:43] <Riddell> one of which imbrandon still has to pay for
[03:47] <seaLne> who got the other?
[03:47] <Riddell> oor Tonio_ 
[03:51] <Tonio_> ?
[03:51] <Tonio_> lemme read ;)
[03:52] <Tonio_> ah talkin' about shirts :) yeah I got one
[05:19] <nixternal> Riddell: i would either grab the video or at least link to it (the kubuntu screencast)...that has a good bit of info concerning updates
[05:21] <nixternal> I get an error when running this in what looks like Czech: && 
[05:21] <nixternal> Am I going insane? 
[05:21] <nixternal> doh
[05:21] <nixternal> funny nevertheless Riddell..i will look into this and see what the issue is
[05:27] <danimo> heya
[05:27] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[05:28] <allee> hi danimo 
[05:28] <danimo> heya allee
[05:29] <Riddell> hi danimo 
[05:29] <danimo> looks like the kde 4 snapshot 2 debs were build without compositing
[05:29] <danimo> Riddell: in kwin
[05:30] <danimo> Riddell: are there weekly builds in sight?
[05:30] <Riddell> I don't have any plans for weekly builds
[05:30] <danimo> Riddell: or an easy way to set up an infrastrucuture to run such?
[05:30] <danimo> Riddell: I'd hard the hardware
[05:30] <danimo> s/hard/have/
[05:31] <Riddell> I don't know of any infrastructure suitable for that, although it probably wouldn't be hard to script
[05:32] <danimo> Riddell: right
[05:32] <danimo> ok anyway, gtg
[05:33] <Jucato> Riddell: is the "official
[05:33] <Jucato> er.. sorry
[05:34] <Jucato> official IRC server for Ubuntu/Kubuntu irc.ubuntu.com already? or do we still tell people to connect to irc.freenode.net directly?
[05:34] <Riddell> irc.ubuntu.com is safer
[05:35] <fdoving> irc.kubuntu.org doesn't exist. :|
[05:35] <Jucato> Riddell: that's both for Kubuntu and Ubuntu, right?
[05:35] <Riddell> and every other project on freenode yes
[05:35] <Jucato> ah thanks :)
[05:39] <jdong> how comically recursive :)
[05:43] <nixternal> Riddell: when you got that error in smb4k, what exactly did you do?
[05:43] <nixternal> everything is in english so far for me
[05:59] <Riddell> nixternal: I just ran it
[05:59] <Riddell> ran it over ssh
[05:59] <Riddell> maybe my computer is set up strange, if it works for you I don't mind uploading
[06:04] <nixternal> hehe, did you get the message during building?
[06:04] <nixternal> im rebuilding with a buildlog.txt to look it over
[06:08] <nixternal> smb4k is actually a pretty cool program for newbs wanting to mount their win drives
[06:10] <nixternal> Riddell: my buildlog looks clear of any issues like that. i can paste it if you would like to see it
[06:13] <steveire> Hey. Is there some way I can get a signal from knetworkmanager when it connects to a network? 
[06:15] <steveire> Any other way to get a signal will be fine too. Doesn't neccesarily need to be knetworkmanager.
[06:15] <steveire> Maybe I can use stat or something?
[06:18] <fabo> Hobbsee|Remote: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3509
[08:21] <Lure> ubuntu/kubuntu used for gnome/kde comparison: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kdegnome
[08:24] <zorglu_> 'gnome is better at installing new theme" <- :)
[08:24] <zorglu_> that's a winner then :)
[08:26] <DaSkreech> Better beleive it :)
[08:30] <seaLne> were the artists for feisty decided i vaguely remember reading something but don't remember who
[08:31] <Lure> seaLne: I think both nuno and ken will work on feisty
[08:31] <nixternal> seaLne: kwwii and nuno
[08:31] <nixternal> heh
[08:31] <nixternal> got me by 3 seconds
[08:34] <seaLne> k, thats what i thought i'd heard, any ideas about ubuntu?
[08:36] <imbrandon> ubuntu isnt decided yet afaik, you would have to ask the -art ML about that one
[08:36] <imbrandon> kwwii and nuno were choosen at UDS
[08:36] <seaLne> ta
[08:48] <kwwii> seaLne: cliff will be making the graphics for ubuntu
[08:48] <kwwii> re, and hi all
[08:49] <DaSkreech> Hi kwwii
[08:49] <kwwii> howdy DaSkreech
[08:49] <DaSkreech> Any big shakeups for feisty art?
[08:50] <kwwii> nope
[08:50] <Lure> just more purple ;-)
[08:50] <kwwii> we are probably not going to change anything at all :p
[08:50] <Lure> kwwii: powermanager icons?
[08:50] <DaSkreech> prettier icons? :-)
[08:50] <kwwii> actually, we will be pushing to look further
[08:51] <kwwii> so things like the help center, app start pages, etc.
[08:51] <kwwii> and we will be working on oxygen, of course
[08:51] <kwwii> which should appear in the kde4 packages
[08:51] <kwwii> Lure: the powermanager icons I made in CA should be the final ones :p
[08:52] <Lure> kwwii: right - we just need to prepare new package for feisty - hopefully already for herd1
[08:52] <kwwii> hrm, we should ping sebas about that...I think it is in the guidance svn though
[08:53] <Lure> kwwii: it is in svn, so I will probably ask Tonio_ when around to package it...
[08:53] <Lure> there are also some nice fixes included 
[08:53] <kwwii> Lure: cool, good idea :-)
[08:54] <kwwii> ie, just don't ask me for it :p
[08:54] <kwwii> lol
[08:54] <kwwii> artists are known to be lazy
[08:54] <Lure> lol
[08:58] <imbrandon> moins kwwii 
[08:59] <kwwii> hi imbrandon
[09:00] <kwwii> imbrandon: I heard taht you got a contract...true?
[09:01] <imbrandon> kwwii: not definate yet, some people were talking to me about one 
[09:02] <imbrandon> on friday
[09:02] <kwwii> killer
[09:02] <imbrandon> :)
[09:02] <imbrandon> ( friday of the UDS )
[09:08] <DaSkreech> how was google campus?
[09:08] <imbrandon> kicked arse
[09:11] <nixternal> lol
[09:11] <nixternal> you should see the Google Chicago campus...it is quite silly
[09:12] <kwwii> playing robotron again (only for free this time) was the highlight for me
[09:12] <DaSkreech> Ha ha of course :)
[09:12] <DaSkreech> Any interesting goolge stories to tell?
[09:13] <kwwii> hrm....the food is amazing :p
[09:13] <kwwii> and they have nifty motorized scooters
[09:14] <imbrandon> yea i want one of those scooters
[09:14] <DaSkreech> I would have figured someone would bring up food. It's one ofthe perks of Google life
[09:14] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: check out the multitude of blog entries 
[09:15] <DaSkreech> planet.ubuntu?
[09:15] <imbrandon> by almost everyone that went
[09:15] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm not there tonight neither tomorrow (gf at home)
[09:15] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: some of them 
[09:15] <DaSkreech> Man I haven't gotten time to read fridge since before edgy came out :(
[09:15] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll be there full time thursday or friday, send me an email if something needs to be done :)
[09:15] <Lure> Tonio_: no hurry - we have another week for herd1 (afair)
[09:16] <Tonio_> Lure: okay let's make a point thursday
[09:16] <Tonio_> I am attacked by a woman, have to go........................ !!!!!!!!!!
[09:17] <kwwii> Tonio_: she does that to all of us, no worries
[09:17] <Tonio_> kwwii: lol
[09:20] <kwwii> haha
[09:23] <DaSkreech> What's ktalkd?
[09:24] <claydoh> http://www.claydoh.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=19
[09:25] <claydoh> lightscribe worked for me
[09:25] <claydoh> tho in dapper
[09:25] <imbrandon> claydoh: what did you use for litescribe? i have a ls drive but never tried it in linux
[09:26] <claydoh> the lacie sofware recently released
[09:26] <claydoh> converted to debs
[09:26] <imbrandon> nice
[09:26] <imbrandon> got a url ?
[09:27] <claydoh> http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10803
[09:27] <imbrandon> cool, thanks
[09:27] <imbrandon> i'll try it this evening
[09:27] <claydoh> doesn'twork in edgy
[09:27] <imbrandon> ahh crap
[09:27] <imbrandon> heh
[09:27] <imbrandon> my ls drive is actualy in a feisty box
[09:27] <claydoh> make sure you use  "alien --scripts"
[09:28] <imbrandon> heh nvm i dont have any dapper boxes
[09:28] <claydoh> I did a dapper install just to get it to work
[09:28] <imbrandon> heh
[09:28] <claydoh> didn't like vmware, but I may try again
[09:28] <claydoh> a dapper Ubuntu didn't work either
[09:28] <imbrandon> heh i would rather just bug them to fix it
[09:29] <claydoh> nor fedora/mandriva/suse 
[09:29] <imbrandon> or make it OSS
[09:29] <claydoh> yeah
[09:30] <claydoh> i think they uses HP stuff, but im sure someone will start a foss version once they are more common
[09:30] <imbrandon> heh they typo'd "ubuntu 6.6"
[09:30] <claydoh> my hp drive I just bought for 69$
[09:30] <imbrandon> not 6.06 :)
[09:31] <claydoh> the lightscribe was a bonus
[09:31] <claydoh> plus they mispelled ubuntu
[09:31] <imbrandon> yea thats what i have the hp drive , bout it for like 80$ a year ago
[09:31] <imbrandon> only used it once or twice for ls
[09:31] <claydoh> Unbuntu lol
[09:31] <seaLne> markers are just as easy to write on it :)
[09:32] <Riddell> nixternal: I got the error when running smb4k
[09:32] <imbrandon> seaLne: yea but not as cool looking :)
[09:32] <claydoh> yeah, but i am creating a special dvd for the family of someone who recently died, wanna spiff it up if I can
[09:33] <nixternal> Riddell: i didn't get an error at all when running it
[09:33] <nixternal> Riddell: it is working quite fine actually, and i kind of like it actually ;)
[09:34] <nixternal> hrmm
[09:35] <nixternal> i do get the error, but it is at least in english
[09:47] <nixternal> Riddell: i know the problem...it needs to be rebuilt with samba (>=3) as a build-dep
[09:49] <Riddell> nixternal: is that different from previous versions?
[09:49] <nixternal> nope
[09:49] <nixternal> they all say in the changelog "only works with samba 3+" but none of them are build-dep on it
[09:51] <ajmitch> nixternal: build-dep on samba, and not one of the libs, sounds a bit wrong
[09:51] <nixternal> heh, nm, it does depend on it
[09:51] <nixternal> samba-common
[09:51] <nixternal> i know the issue though, and im testing it local
[09:53] <nixternal> chmod +s `which smbmnt`
[09:53] <nixternal> i need to add that to the rules correct?
[09:53] <nixternal> once i did that, it works
[09:57] <nixternal> actually, that would call for a postinst script correct?
[09:59] <Lure> nixternal: true, not sure if +s is ok from security perspective (may have issues for main inclusion)
[10:00] <nixternal> i was thinking the same, however that is what smb4k documentation states is the fix for the error that Riddell and myself get from running it
[10:06] <ajmitch> nixternal: it's mildly insane
[10:07] <nixternal> hehe
[10:08] <nixternal> well, then we ship the package knowing it isn't going to work until they tweak it?
[10:10] <ajmitch> smbmnt is shipped by another package, right?
[10:12] <nixternal> i believe it is with smbfs
[10:12] <nixternal> but yes, it is shipped with another package
[10:13] <imbrandon> yea you should fix the other package if anything
[10:13] <imbrandon> not add it to that one
[10:17] <jdong> imbrandon: u know of any issues with amarok 1.4.4 and ipods?
[10:18] <jdong> imbrandon: here it seems to consistently fail at adding songs
[10:18] <jdong> imbrandon: i.e. it thinks it added it , but the ipod refuses to play it, and scanning shows that it's orphaned and stale
[10:21] <nixternal> ajmitch/imbrandon: I see another fix is to use the app "super"...can i just add that as a depend? and not worry about the chmod +s
[10:21] <imbrandon> hrm seems to work fine here ( and i just checked with some of the dev's in the amarok dev channel ) i'll do some deeper checking tonight
[10:22] <imbrandon> jdong: what EXACT version of 1.4.4 are you testing this on ?
[10:22] <imbrandon> so i can have my ducks in a row when i goto test it
[10:23] <jdong> imbrandon: 2:1.4.4-0ubuntu3 backported to edgy
[10:23] <jdong> imbrandon: I'm gonna reformat my ipod and give it a clean test
[10:23] <jdong> but I've only been using it with amarok
[10:23] <jdong> and I swear it worked great with 1.4.3 :)
[10:24] <imbrandon> yea works great with 1.4.4 too i use it daily , my ipod is indepensable
[10:24] <imbrandon> i think you might have just mucked something, but fyi 1.4.4-0ubuntu3 isnt backported yet, and shouldent be yet, needs some more love
[10:24] <imbrandon> please tell me you dident do that officialy
[10:24] <fdoving> gah.. this SRU stuff is soooo slow.
[10:25] <fdoving> imbrandon: might need you for a few new kopete uploads in some mins, if you're free.. 
[10:25] <imbrandon> fdoving: sure 
[10:25] <imbrandon> i'm kinda in and out for the next 2 hours but i'll be here most of the day
[10:26] <fdoving> will a re-upload with the same version number override the old upload? 
[10:26] <fdoving> when the upload hasn't hit any archive yet? 
[10:26] <fdoving> or does it need a reject first? 
[10:28] <imbrandon> you dont want to upload the same version numbers, BUT on that note i need to relook at the updates versioning beosue the way we were doing it also wont fly
[10:28] <Lure> allee: any plans for digikam 0.9.0 rc packages?
[10:28] <fdoving> hum? cjwattson said ubuntu2.1 would be fine for kopete in edgy-proposed? 
[10:28] <imbrandon> right, that will
[10:28] <imbrandon> but not ubuntu3 as thats in feisty
[10:29] <jdong> imbrandon: it's not an official backport, no
[10:29] <fdoving> imbrandon: why not? 
[10:29] <jdong> imbrandon: though I don't think 1.4.3 was ever synced
[10:29] <imbrandon> jdong: what are you talking about ?
[10:29] <jdong> imbrandon: so thinking about it perhaps we should cancel that backport request altogether
[10:29] <allee> Lure: good that you ask :)  I've uploaded rc1 ~ 30 min ago to sf.net
[10:29] <imbrandon> there should not be a backport for amarok in edgy backports atm
[10:29] <imbrandon> jdong: ^^
[10:29] <Lure> allee: great ;-)
[10:29] <jdong> imbrandon: no, there isn't
[10:29] <allee> Lure: I'll work on dapper pkgs tonight
[10:29] <jdong> imbrandon: but at one point you did ask for an edgy one
[10:30] <imbrandon> ahh if its still in the que , reject it
[10:30] <jdong> imbrandon: ok, will do
[10:30] <allee> Lure: not sure if I find time for edgy because, there I've to merge Tonio_ 's digikam/showfoto split.
[10:30] <imbrandon> ok fdoving sorry, got side tracked, where were we?
[10:30] <allee> Lure: so edgy maybe tomorrow.
[10:30] <jdong> imbrandon: rejected :)
[10:31] <fdoving> imbrandon: why ubuntu3 wouldn't do? 
[10:31] <Lure> allee: ok, thanks
[10:31] <allee> Lure: I'll ask Mark later for an upload to debian.  So it should be ready to merge for feisty in some days.
[10:31] <imbrandon> fdoving: right, if ubuntu2.1 is in -proposed now it needs to be ubuntu2.2 then 2.3 etc, because ubuntu3 is in feisty, they cannot have the same version
[10:31] <imbrandon> as they are in the same pool in the archive
[10:32] <imbrandon> ( it mucks up upgrades and uterly confuses soyuz )
[10:32] <allee> Lure: I've to figure out how to handle branching in pkg-kde repo so buildserver.net autobuild dapper/edgy/feisty too
[10:33] <fdoving> imbrandon: i'm aware of that.
[10:35] <imbrandon> okies, thats all i was making sure of
[10:35] <imbrandon> did you find a way to look at the -proposed queue ?
[10:35] <fdoving> no.
[10:35] <fdoving> i can't.
[10:35] <fdoving> it's no public way to do that.
[10:36] <fdoving> have to ping the ubuntu-archive guys.
[10:36] <imbrandon> k
[10:36] <jdong> imbrandon: well, FWIW even adding new songs to my freshly formated 2G nano won't work...
[10:37] <jdong> imbrandon: I'm downgrading to official edgy amarok and seeing if that does anything
[10:37] <imbrandon> jdong: ok , like i said lemme get mine charged up and check it
[10:37] <imbrandon> but last i checked ( at uds , everything was working smooth )
[10:37] <Lure> Riddell: are you on -motu?
[10:37] <jdong> imbrandon: the songs appear to add, but when playing them they don't play (0:00)
[10:38] <Lure> Riddell: it looks like new xine depends on multiverse stuff all over :-(
[10:38] <jdong> imbrandon: and doing a repair scan shows everything as orphaned and stale
[10:39] <imbrandon> Lure: i'm looking at it now 
[10:42] <jdong> imbrandon: ok, I've found the problem
[10:42] <imbrandon> ?
[10:42] <jdong> imbrandon: it starts with "jdong" and "foolishly backported libgpod0 from feisty when playing with gtkpod"
[10:42] <jdong> hehe :)
[10:42] <imbrandon> fool
[10:42] <imbrandon> there is a reason that hasent been done yet
[10:42] <imbrandon> heh
[10:42] <jdong> sorry for wasting your time :)
[10:42] <jdong> I forgot I did that
[10:42] <imbrandon> np
[10:48] <fdoving> imbrandon: is there a way to trigger a rebuild of an already uploaded package?
[10:48] <imbrandon> fdoving: yes
[10:48] <imbrandon> is that all it needs is a rebuild ?
[10:49] <fdoving> kopete hasn't hit -proposed yet.
[10:50] <fdoving> but for feisty i'm suspecting it can be enought. not sure yet. it's building fine in my pbuilders, both ppc and i386.. and it fails on ppc and i386 in the buildds, sparc and amd64 builds though.
[10:51] <imbrandon> fdoving: ok i'm going to work on this other thing i got going for a few , work out the kinks you need for your next upload and i'll sponsor it, meantime i'll get in touch with some of the archive masters and make sure me and Riddell are doing the -proposed thing correct
[10:52] <fdoving> imbrandon: i think you are. i've been in touch with cjwatson, he rejected the one with ubuntu3 version.
[10:53] <fdoving> Also, i've pinged tfheen to reject the kopete currently in -proposed.
[10:53] <imbrandon> k
[10:54] <Riddell> what's wrong with ubuntu3?
[10:54] <fdoving> Riddell: it must be ubuntu2.X for -updates
[10:54] <Riddell> mm
[10:54] <Riddell> did I upload 2.x as well?
[10:55] <imbrandon> ubuntu3 is in feisty, it must be less
[10:55] <nixternal> hrmm...when i run kdesu in feisty, and it asks for my password..i enter it, and it tells me it is wrong
[10:55] <fdoving> Riddell: you did, iirc.
[10:55] <gnomefreak> nixternal: yes its know Riddell is working on it last i heard
[10:55] <imbrandon> nixternal: known issue, will be fixed shortly ( Riddell already uploaded , just needs to be built afaik )
[10:55] <gnomefreak> known*
[10:55] <nixternal> ahh
[10:55] <nixternal> that is why we are getting that error Riddell 
[10:56] <nixternal> heh, it doesn't utilize sudo correctly..doesn't get the correct password
[10:56] <gnomefreak> nixternal: its looking ofr su not sudo
[10:56] <nixternal> man, and that is why smb4k is giving us that silly problem even when selecting sudo or super
[10:57] <gnomefreak> i just hope todays work fixes the apt crashing
[10:58] <nixternal> woohoo, Riddell i just tested it in edgy, and as soon as the sudo stuff is working in feisty, then smb4k will work
[10:59] <Riddell> so it depends on a working kdesu?
[10:59] <nixternal> \o/ \o\ \o/
[10:59] <Riddell> I only tested it in edgy
[11:00] <nixternal> it works here in edgy once you set smb4k to use sudo, it ships w/o any user setup
[11:01] <nixternal> under settings, you goto "configuration", and down to "super user", and click the "use super user privilegest to mount and unmount shares" and it works as it ishould
[11:01] <nixternal> reminds me of the old linneighborhood app
[11:03] <Riddell> that needs patched then
[11:03] <nixternal> yup
[11:03] <nixternal> need to patch it so it automatically selects that, correct?
[11:07] <jjesse> if kvpnc doesn't install vpnc is that a bug in ubuntu or a bug in the package from upstream?
[11:07] <nixternal> jjesse: according to the package, it only suggests vpnc, and doesn't have it as a depend
[11:08] <nixternal> which seems odd to me?
[11:13] <nixternal> Run SUID=true
[11:13] <nixternal> SUID Program=sudo
[11:13] <nixternal> that is what i need to add i think
[11:14] <nixternal> Riddell: can you take a look at your ~/.kde/share/config/smb4krc  and look at the bottom under [Super User Privileges]  and see if there is any of that in there by default
[11:18] <jjesse> nixternal: hmm that is wierd because in order to connect to a cisco vpn you are required to install vpnc
[11:23] <jjesse> hello sarah :)
[11:23] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse 
[11:24] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee 
[11:24] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch 
[11:33] <Riddell> allee: the dot won't publish stories about rc releases, we're pretty reluctant to publish releases at all (but major releases of digikam are cool)
[11:33] <allee> Riddell: heh, I kick Gilles, the pestered me to post on dot :(
[11:34] <Riddell> can't blame you for trying, and please do submit the final 0.9 release
[11:35] <jjesse> is there a daily build of feisty yet?
[11:35] <Riddell> jjesse: no
[11:36] <jjesse> can i change my sources.list to feisty and then upgrade?
[11:36] <Hobbsee> jjesse: sure
[11:37] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell, allee 
[11:37] <kwwii> Riddell: talked to Jarislaw (Kexi) about including names in the xdg spec for database/koffice apps...good idea or not?
[11:38] <allee> hoh, hoh, Hobbsee , I hope you had a nice extended breakfast
[11:38] <Hobbsee> allee: it's pre-10am, and i'm booking flights, etc
[11:38] <Hobbsee> allee: it's hardly a normal morning
[11:38] <fabo> jjesse: about kvpnc, not so weird because it's not just a front end to vpnc ...
[11:39] <allee> Hobbsee: flight?  To Germany?  <- would be great :)
[11:39] <Hobbsee> allee: no, for my mother to adelaide :(
[11:40] <jjesse> hmm confusing because kvpnc says "it supports a cisco vpn" in adept
[11:40] <allee> Hobbsee: that's not fair ;)
[11:40] <Riddell> kwwii: sure, no reason why not
[11:40] <Riddell> kwwii: I've been poking mhb to make the changes to his database I need, then I'll try and spend some time on it
[11:42] <Riddell> nixternal: my ~/.kde/share/config/smb4krc has no [Super User Privileges]  in it
[11:42] <Riddell> nixternal: but it's best just to patch the line of code to change the default there
[11:42] <fabo> jjesse: but the 1st sentence is "KVpnc is a KDE frontend for various vpn clients." ;)
[11:43] <jjesse> hmm i still think its a little confusing
[11:43] <fabo> hehe
[11:44] <kwwii> Riddell: in addition, we might want to think about creating a theme for gnome apps running in KDE using oxygen icons (with the new names)...it probably wouldn't be that hard
[11:44] <fabo> Hobbsee, i have uploaded some packages on revu. you (and others), can take a look if interested ;)
[11:45] <Riddell> kwwii: well the whole point of the icon naming spec is that icons will work in both (although we'll have plenty icons that are only used in one desktop I'm sure)
[11:45] <nixternal> heh, im trying to find the line of code that does it, and i think i did in the smb4kfileio.h file
[11:46] <Riddell> nixternal: it'll be some call to kconfig, try grepping for "Super User Privileges"
[11:47] <nixternal> ya, i have the files that contain it...kconfig i will look for now
[11:47] <Hobbsee> fabo: yay :)  will do, later.  everything's crazy
[11:47] <fabo> np
[11:48] <Riddell> nixternal: it'll be a call to readConfig() where the second argument is the default incase there's no existing value
[11:49] <Riddell> (unless it uses kconfigXT)
[11:49] <kwwii> Riddell: exactly, but in the end, there will still be some mapping problems between the two that is the general idea
[11:49] <kwwii> anyway...it is time for me to sleep
[11:49] <kwwii> night all
[11:50] <Riddell> imbrandon: did you do those main inclusion reports?
[11:52] <imbrandon> for ?
[11:52] <imbrandon> libmtp and libnjb ?
[11:52] <imbrandon> yea those are done and approved and amarok is now uploaded and built against them
[11:52] <imbrandon> ( i'm still working on a new amarok upload for later tonight though thats merged from debian )
[11:53] <nixternal> kconfig *config()
[11:53] <nixternal> grepping the readConfig()
[11:55] <Riddell> imbrandon: graphicsmagick (and something else I'm sure0
[11:55] <Riddell> s/0/)/
[11:57] <imbrandon> ahh no , not done yet, i'll do those right now
[11:57] <Riddell> can you remember what the other one was?
[11:57] <imbrandon> no , i'll grep my irc log though
[11:57] <Riddell> :)
[11:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sarah's crackful program of doom?
[11:57] <imbrandon> lol
[11:58] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: you wrote prevu ? /me ducks
[11:58] <Hobbsee> hehe!  :)
[11:59] <Hobbsee> it seems that myself and Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  have become closely connected, in people's mind.
[12:00] <Riddell> kwwii: I replied off list to the dudes who were interested in the kubuntu webpage redesign, hopefully with them and the ubuntu webmaster we can get something going once the ubuntu webmaster has chosen a CRM he wants to use
[12:01] <jeroenvrp> when will the composite problem be solved - a lot of users have that problem
[12:01] <jeroenvrp> that flash does not work and crashes firefox etc
[12:02] <jeroenvrp> I know the workaround, but kubuntu should work out of the box
[12:03] <imbrandon> Riddell: ahh it all makes sense now, i got a flood of emails this morning about my group changes on /ubuntu-website , and now that i look newzum made /kubuntu-website and added all the same people
[12:03] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:03] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: dunno.  does compiz even work with kubuntu?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: flash is closed, so we cant fix it
[12:04] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: and you'd probably have to ask the composite guys that, not us
[12:04] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yes compiz is DE netural for the most part ( if he is talkign about compiz and not composite )
[12:04] <Hobbsee> ah right
[12:04] <Hobbsee> er, what's the difference?
[12:04] <jeroenvrp> Hobbsee: yes its closed, but why turn it on and not turn it off by deafult - compiz only works great when having a faster videocard
[12:05] <imbrandon> composite is a technologie ( that has been in X for years )
[12:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah right.  and compiz is the bling
[12:05] <imbrandon> right
[12:05] <jeroenvrp> the only way for a lot of users, is to manually add the following lines at the bottom of xorg.conf
[12:05] <jeroenvrp> Section "Extensions"
[12:05] <jeroenvrp>        Option  "Composite" "0"
[12:05] <jeroenvrp> EndSection
[12:05] <imbrandon> jeroenvrp: ok back up a bit here, whats is your problem ?
[12:06] <imbrandon> just so we're all on the same page
[12:06] <Riddell> flash has nothing to do with composite
[12:06] <imbrandon> thats what i was thinking
[12:06] <Riddell> well, maybe having composite on breaks flash
[12:06] <imbrandon> thats why i asked for the clarification
[12:06] <jeroenvrp> its not about composite, its not about flash, its about that option that should 0 at default
[12:06] <Riddell> anyway, flash is proprietry and therefor unsupported
[12:07] <jeroenvrp> when turning the Composite-extension off, flash does not make firefox crash anymore\
[12:07] <Riddell> and this channel does neither firefox nor X
[12:07] <jeroenvrp> and it works again in konq and FF
[12:07] <imbrandon> well we dont handle flash , ff, or X , but your best bet is to petition to the flash developers and have them fix it
[12:08] <jeroenvrp> sorry guys
[12:08] <jeroenvrp> this is bull
[12:08] <jeroenvrp> flash 7 or flash 9 do have the same problem
[12:08] <imbrandon> jeroenvrp: we couldent do that even if we wanted, you can ask the X maintainer if he is willing to doso
[12:08] <imbrandon> but again we dont do X changes in here
[12:09] <jeroenvrp> yes I know the X maintainer should do it, in dapper composite was off by default, so there were no problems
[12:09] <jeroenvrp> and on another channel a user is very happy with me, because his flash is working now
[12:09] <imbrandon> jeroenvrp: right, i'm not saying your wrong, i'm just saying you are telling the wrong group
[12:09] <imbrandon> to get it "fixed"
[12:10] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: yes you are right, but the problem is that is a widely known problem and it seems no one wants to fix it
[12:11] <jeroenvrp> the workaround is simple
[12:11] <jeroenvrp> I sorry, I was a little biy angry
[12:11] <Riddell> I presume there's a reason why the X maintainers have set composite as they have