[12:12] <justin1278> hello
[12:13] <justin1278> I am having issues with my External Hard Drive in Kubuntu 6.10
[12:13] <justin1278> I cannot delete or save files on it.
[12:13] <justin1278> Anybody know how I can fix this?
[12:13] <graft> is it mounted read-only?
[12:13] <intelikey> ash211 is there no frontend for md5sum  it's xscreemly kriptic.
[12:14] <intelikey> justin1278 what fs ?
[12:14] <justin1278> intellikey, fs?
[12:14] <graft> fs = filesystem
[12:14] <justin1278> ah
[12:14] <justin1278> NTFS
[12:15] <intelikey> graft i'm thinking M$  and needs umask=
[12:15] <intelikey> yep
[12:15] <intelikey> !ntfs
[12:15] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[12:16] <kelly__> hello
[12:17] <kelly__> bubu1uk, I fixed the apt DNS problem that I was having the otherday ;-)
[12:17] <angasule> justin1278: short version, NTFS is read-only on linux, unless you don't mind risking the data
[12:18] <justin1278> ok
[12:18] <kelly__> it was a general DNS issue not just relating to apt but a strange issue at that. I found a solution at http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/492413.html
[12:18] <justin1278> thanks i think i may have it now
[12:19] <graft> man this song is so good
[12:19] <justin1278> I still cannot write files to it
[12:20] <velle> Which irc client is good for KDE? Which one do YOU use / or which one is popular? I thought Kopete was terrible, and Konversation is not a thrill either.
[12:20] <graft> irssi
[12:20] <angasule> velle: konversation
[12:20] <angasule> oh, sorry, missed the second part
[12:20] <angasule> velle: what's wrong with konversation? what are you looking for?
[12:21] <velle> angasule: well I still like to know which one you are using :)
[12:21] <LjL> velle, i think the choice is pretty much limited to KvIRC and KsIRC besides Konversation
[12:21] <LjL> i'm using Konversation
[12:23] <graft> wait, what's wrong with irssi, bitchx, etc?
[12:23] <graft> you don't need fancy-shmancy windows, you know...
[12:23] <LjL> graft: that they're not "for KDE" as he asked
[12:23] <kelly__> hey guys is there a firefox2 package for kubuntu/debian ?
[12:23] <graft> um, i am using them within kde
[12:23] <graft> therefore they're for kde
[12:23] <LjL> i'm using mIRC within KDE, therefore it's for KDE
[12:23] <bubu1uk> kelly__: am glad u sorted it. was really strange issue
[12:24] <graft> sure, why not? it doesn't have to have a fricking "K" in the name for it to be a useful client
[12:24] <bubu1uk> kelly__: as far as i know on edgy is ff2
[12:24] <LjL> graft: i never said it did.
[12:24] <LjL> just claiming you can't say X is for Y just because X can be made to run inside Y
[12:24] <kelly__> bubu1uk, yer, using nslookup it was discovered that my router was returning 1.0.0
[12:24] <angasule> graft: well, the console is not my first choice to type and read many languages :P
[12:24] <intelikey> graft yes it does...
[12:24] <angasule> not to mention the ability to open links
[12:25] <angasule> what's intelikey?
[12:25] <kelly__> and i just removed my routers ip from the DNS servers list and added the isp's
[12:25] <graft> intelikey is some dude or chick
[12:25] <angasule> oh heh sounds like an app or something :P
[12:25] <velle> Well I've only used it a few hours, and I just had a few bad impressions (problems), and I did not want to try to solve these problems if there is something much better, but since so many are using Konversation, I'll go for it now
[12:26] <angasule> velle: what problems? maybe we can help with those :)
[12:26] <kelly__> also another interesting thing to note, which was noted in the forum, was that if you pinged the domain first then the dns would be cached or something and then apt would work :-S very weird but fixed now ;-D
[12:26] <angasule> mIRC is truly horrible, I even prefer x-chat for windows
[12:28] <bubu1uk> kelly__: hmm, good to know. never happened something like that to me. anyway it seems like problem with ur router. did u try to upgrade firmware? (either that is works now)
[12:29] <JohnFlux> velle: what don't you like about konversation?
[12:30] <intelikey> JohnFlux i don't know but what i like kirc better than konversation.   but i'm a console user.   bx ya know.
[12:30] <JohnFlux> heh
[12:31] <kelly__> bubu1uk, i couldnt find an updated firmware for it
[12:31] <bubu1uk> kelly__: ah right.
[12:31] <JohnFlux> intelikey: can never please everyone :-)
[12:31] <jobless> hi guys ..
[12:31] <bubu1uk> kelly__: was just wondering. might be good thing later to do. when they release it.
[12:32] <intelikey> can always please no one....
[12:32] <jobless> hey I have a problem with my mouse pointer movement ...
[12:32] <angasule> intelikey: actually, I bet that's hard too
[12:32] <kelly__> bubu1uk, Yer i will update it if they release one. Also adept cant find the package ff2, do i need a different repository ?
[12:32] <velle> angasule and JohnFlux do you hang arround here often, maybe I could get back to you with a decent explanation of why I had a bad impression? I would rather do that tomorrow than explain it now
[12:32] <nekr0z> Hi there! I have troubles with compose key in Qt apps launched from GNOME. Could anyone help?
[12:32] <angasule> velle: I'm here sometimes, but not too often, but there's always someone
[12:32] <jobless> the pointer acceleration does not change even though i change the settings ..
[12:33] <jobless> i am using  a dell inspiron
[12:33] <JohnFlux> velle: you can always file specific wish changes on bugs.kde.org  - is it looked at often
[12:33] <bubu1uk> kelly__: its not ff2, lol. i just use it for short as firefox2. dunno. i think it's package firefox in repos.
[12:33] <JohnFlux> s/is it/it is/
[12:33] <intelikey> angasule mmm maybe... but pleasing no one != dis-please anyone   so idk.
[12:34] <JohnFlux> angasule: LETS KILL HIM!
[12:34] <angasule> intelikey: the point it, being lazy is the best
[12:34] <intelikey> lazy ?   ! i
[12:34] <angasule> JohnFlux: I misread that as 'grab a crotch', so I guess I should take a break and rest my eyes
[12:34] <JohnFlux> angasule: maybe you misread the re-read
[12:34] <kelly__> bubu1uk, lol i also tried firefox2 but no luck. There is just firefox tho? is that it?
[12:35] <bubu1uk> kelly__: yup.
[12:36] <bubu1uk> kelly__: if u use adept. just click on that arrow in beginning of line. it will show u details. it tells u version
[12:36] <angasule> JohnFlux: hmmm, in that case, I should take a break and get away from you freaks? :D
[12:36] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: ping
[12:36] <intelikey> Jucato !
[12:36] <Igor_V2> anybody knows the C channel...?
[12:36] <Jucato> hi intelikey
[12:36] <kelly__> bubu1uk, ok kool. and also how do i enable my nick for private msgs so im not annoying everyone else?
[12:37] <Jucato> Igor_V2: ##c
[12:37] <Igor_V2> thanks!
[12:37] <jobless> hey I have a problem with my mouse pointer movement ...
[12:37] <bubu1uk> kelly__: dunno, not a big irc user. is ur nick registered?
[12:37] <intelikey> kelly__ /msg nickesrv help
[12:38] <JohnFlux> speaking of nickserv
[12:38] <JohnFlux> is there a way to leave users a message?
[12:39] <Jucato> JohnFlux: memoserv
[12:39] <intelikey> kelly__ but while your questions are on topic  i.e. help/linux related  you should ask in here and annoy everybody.
[12:39] <JohnFlux> ah thanks
[12:39] <bubu1uk> and speaking of irc generaly. is there a guide how to bloody use it? with some easy explanations for dumb people like me? :D
[12:40] <intelikey> bubu1uk look at freenode.org
[12:40] <LjL> bubu1uk: http://www.irchelp.org/
[12:40] <intelikey> or .net
[12:40] <bubu1uk> ah, thanx
[12:40] <bubu1uk> ;)
[12:41] <Jucato> bubu1uk: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IrcCommands and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IrcGuidelines (Ubuntu-specific guidelines)
[12:42] <intelikey> and one should read the web page for he server they use.  in this case freenode
[12:43] <intelikey> it may contain server specific guidelines and/or services
[12:43] <Jucato> and for the channel they use
[12:43] <intelikey> Jucato yes assuming there is one.
[12:44] <intelikey> kinda hard to find the webpage for some of them  :)
[12:44] <Jucato> yes yes...let's assume, shall we? yes? :)
[12:45] <intelikey> or we could suppose
[12:45] <Jucato> or presume
[12:45] <Jucato> lol. sorry. just got up from bed :)
[12:45] <intelikey> possably even infer
[12:47] <intelikey> if we assume should we also expect ?
[12:47] <Jucato> heheh
[12:47] <intelikey> :)
[12:47] <Jucato> assuming presumes expectation
[12:48] <intelikey> and percludes it i would suppose
[12:48] <intelikey> ok you win.  i give up.  :)
[12:48] <Jucato> lol
[12:49] <Jucato> just when I was about to leave to get breakfast
[12:49] <intelikey> good idea.   think i'll shove some victuals down my goozle too
[12:53] <SlimG> anyone got a solution on howto convert asf into ogg or wav ?
[12:54] <velle> how do I set Firefox to be the default browser, so that KDE applications does not use Konquerer when they want to open a link for me
[12:54] <Jucato> System Settings -> Default Applications
[12:54] <graft> there's a kcontrol module for it, velle
[12:56] <velle> thanks
[01:05] <arriesp_> xao gnte
[01:07] <ka_1900> can i ask somthing ?
[01:07] <ka_1900> how can i have a root account in case of using grub?
[01:12] <bimberi> !root | ka_1900
[01:12] <ubotu> ka_1900: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[01:18] <ka_1900> ubotu ,. i mean smthing like linux single ,. but can be applied to grub not lilo
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i mean smthing like linux single ,. but can be applied to grub not lilo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:19] <ka_1900> how can i use crom to send an email ?
[01:20] <ka_1900> how can i use cron to send an email ?
[01:20] <intelikey> ka_1900 edit the grub line and add single     2 setup sendmail as a cron job
[01:21] <ka_1900> intelikey ,. i do not understand you !
[01:21] <intelikey> so who does?
[01:22] <ka_1900> i do not mean any bad thing ,. i just want to learn from you ,.
[01:22] <ka_1900> how to edit the grub line ?! and add single
[01:22] <intelikey> [esc] 
[01:23] <Jucato> er.. doesn't the Recovery Mode in GRUB already do that? (Single user mode)
[01:23] <intelikey> jucato i dont think so...
[01:23] <intelikey> ?
[01:23] <Jucato> intelikey: kernel		/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hdb2 ro single
[01:24] <Jucato> that's the line for my Recovery Mode in GRUB
[01:24] <GNUro_> xgl works in kubuntu?
[01:24] <lupine_85> GNUro_: yeah
[01:24] <intelikey> yes it is.    and that is even worse than i thought.   jucato look and see if kdm is in /etc/rc1.d/
[01:24] <foxhound31> hello what command can i use to stop the x server please
[01:25] <lupine_85> foxhound31: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[01:25] <Jucato> intelikey: yeah
[01:25] <Jucato> why?
[01:25] <foxhound31> doh should of thought of that one
[01:25] <intelikey> S or K ?
[01:25] <foxhound31> not very clever of me
[01:25] <GNUro_> lupine_85: thnx... i try..
[01:26] <Jucato> intelikey: K01kdm
[01:26] <lupine_85> not in /etc/init.d it isn't
[01:26] <foxhound31> i'm going to risk life and limb installing nvidia drivers
[01:26] <lupine_85> GNUro_: the desktop environment doesn't interact as well with the window manager (be it compiz or beryl) - specifically, beryl's virtual desktops aren't handled properly by kicker, but there's downloadable version at kde-look.org
[01:26] <lupine_85> !nvidiabeta
[01:26] <ubotu> For Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft), you can obtain the (unsupported!) 9629 version of the binary NVidia drivers by using one of these repositories: "deb http://amaranth.selfip.com/ edgy lrm" (for x86) or "deb http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/ edgy lrm-amd64" (for AMD64)
[01:26] <foxhound31> see how it goes
[01:26] <lupine_85> do that instead :)
[01:26] <intelikey> oh that's normal.   i tought rescue mode still started X
[01:26] <intelikey> Jucato ^
[01:26] <ka_1900> intelikey ??
[01:27] <Jucato> no of course not :)
[01:27] <GNUro_> mm ok
[01:27] <GNUro_> lupine_85: thnx! :)
[01:27] <nixbox> I have a file with multiple lines, each line is basically a number, i want to insert each line from this file to another file, such that each line is appended to the each line of the new file. how do i do that?
[01:27] <Jucato> intelikey: you had me worried for a moment there :P
[01:28] <intelikey> i could sware that i booted recsue mode one time on some ubuntu system and it still came to gdm .....   i have on proof of it now of course....
[01:28] <intelikey> maybe the menu.lst was a hack  i don't know.
[01:28] <lupine_85> nixbox: I would read a line from the second file and output it to a temp file, remove the \n, and the output a line from the first file... and continue until end... then delete the second file and move the third file into place
[01:29] <lupine_85> how to do it in bash is an exercise for the reader
[01:29] <lupine_85> maybe you could use sed to replace a given instance of \n with a given line from the first file, but I doubt it
[01:29] <intelikey> ka_1900 hit [left-alt]   for the grub menu at boot time.
[01:30] <intelikey> if that is where your are having an issue.
[01:30] <Jucato> intelikey: my menu.lst is default :P
[01:30] <intelikey> Jucato it's also edgy
[01:30] <Jucato> definitely
[01:30] <intelikey> this would have been hoary or dapper   one....
[01:31] <intelikey> remember i've never seen edgy
[01:31] <Jucato> hoary probably. I've never seen that happen in Dapper
[01:32] <proyecto> m
[01:32] <intelikey> ok unless someone streightens us out we'll say it was a hoary thing.
[01:32] <proyecto> mio
[01:32] <proyecto> hggj
[01:34] <proyecto> jygtg
[01:34] <proyecto> oo
[01:34] <proyecto> l,po,
[01:34] <proyecto> oko
[01:34] <ka_1900> ok intelikey ,. thanks a lot i will try it
[01:34] <proyecto> oko
[01:34] <proyecto> oko
[01:34] <proyecto> ok+
[01:35] <alanblins> anybody brazilian here?
[01:35] <intelikey> is it a poll ?
[01:36] <Jucato> !br
[01:36] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[01:42] <foxhound31> hello kdm does stop the x server but i just get a grey screen
[01:42] <foxhound31> i cant type anything in it or run any commands
[01:43] <foxhound31> is there anything i can do about this
[01:43] <intelikey> so [alt] +[f2] 
[01:43] <intelikey> ^
[01:43] <intelikey> even [alt] +[ctrl] +[f3] 
[01:44] <intelikey> i'm thinking fb is not relenquishing the display.
[01:44] <foxhound31> fb?
[01:44] <intelikey> framebuffering
[01:45] <foxhound31> oh aye
[01:45] <foxhound31> not very helpful
[01:45] <foxhound31> is there away to startup
[01:45] <foxhound31> wothout starting the x server
[01:46] <foxhound31> then i could just go to my desktop directory
[01:46] <foxhound31> and run the nvidia drivers
[01:46] <foxhound31> i did server admin command line in linux at university last semester
[01:47] <foxhound31> but forgotten most of it now
[01:47] <intelikey> [alt] +[ctrl] +[f3] 
[01:48] <intelikey> [ctrl] +[alt] +[f1] 
[01:49] <Dink> DaSkreech, im downloading another PPC of kubuntu now
[01:49] <intelikey> console switching is basic admin stuff.    tty{1-6} are default login consoles....  whether x is running or not.
[02:03] <DaSkreech> Dink: Hi :)
[02:03] <DaSkreech> Just got back
[02:03] <Dink> i was just about to start cooking i have about 15min left on the download
[02:04] <Dink> what i am not sure is that kubuntu/ubuntu will be able to be installed via kboot
[02:04] <jdfellow> hello just downloaded nasa world wind for linux withan installer i get permission denied as root what now?
[02:05] <jdfellow> ./jre-1_5_0_09-linux-i586.bin: Permission denied
[02:05] <octan> whats the tool called where i can bind a mac to a interface if a have more then 1 of the same nic?
[02:05] <Dink> chmod +x ?
[02:05] <Jucato> !java
[02:05] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[02:05] <octan> !macbind
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about macbind - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:05] <jdfellow> dink was that for me
[02:05] <Dink> yeah
[02:05] <Kim^J> y0
[02:05] <octan> !bindmac
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bindmac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:06] <jdfellow> where do i run this command
[02:06] <Dink> sudo chmod +x yourfilegoeshere
[02:06] <Dink> DaSkreech, bbl going to cook dinner :)
[02:06] <jdfellow> thank you
[02:09] <DaSkreech> Hi Jucato
[02:09] <Jucato> hi DaSkreech
[02:11] <DaSkreech> How does init stuff work with upstart?
[02:11] <crimsun> rephrase, please?
[02:12] <intelikey> crimsun long time no C++   :)
[02:13] <crimsun> hullo, intelikey
[02:14] <Jucato> want some Java coffee? :P
[02:19] <chx> is there a 'light' spreadsheet for Linux? i just want to enter some numbers with explanation text , sum and print it
[02:20] <Jucato> Gnumeric, KSpread, OO.o spreadsheet
[02:20] <DaSkreech> Jucato: seen this? http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/blog/lista-repository-sourceslist-ottimizzata-per-ubuntu-kubuntu-linux/
[02:20] <Jucato> DaSkreech: yeah. that issue caused quite a ruckus
[02:22] <DaSkreech> Why are they thinking of shipping Propietarty drivers un Ubuntu?
[02:22] <Toscky> notte ragazzi
[02:23] <Toscky> c' qulcuno di lingua italiana che pu darmi una mano?
[02:23] <crimsun> DaSkreech: because people clamor for it
[02:23] <crimsun> DaSkreech: ...*buntu is community-driven
[02:23] <DaSkreech> crimsun: Thats a Dumb ass reason
[02:24] <DaSkreech> People want Photoshop to work natively as well
[02:24] <crimsun> I think it's apropos even if I disagree with their inclusion and being enabled by default
[02:24] <Toscky> sono da poco entrato a far parte del mondo linux e non so installare i programmi
[02:24] <Jucato> -offtopic please
[02:24] <DaSkreech> I've been told by at least two people that they will use ubuntu when they can buy any game/program coming out in two years and install it in linux
[02:26] <DaSkreech> Fine fine How do I get a USB wirelss adapter dongle working in Kubuntu?
[02:26] <BetaCookies> you dont
[02:26] <BetaCookies> :P
[02:26] <DaSkreech> Seems so
[02:26] <DaSkreech>  It works if I boot with it in but otherwise I don't see how I can assign it a network alias
[02:30] <Toscky> c' qulache italiano?
[02:30] <DaSkreech> !it
[02:30] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:30] <Toscky> ok,thanks
[02:30] <Toscky> !it
[02:30] <foxhound31> hello for a given nvidia driver pkg
[02:31] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: pang
[02:31] <Admiral_Chicago> err pong
[02:31] <foxhound31> how do i tell what other things i need dependencies etc
[02:31] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: heheh
[02:31] <Admiral_Chicago> took me a nap
[02:31] <Admiral_Chicago> i need to hunt down dinner
[02:31] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: Sho_ replied to your bug report in LP. were you able to read it?
[02:31] <foxhound31> I'm trying to install nvidia drivers you see
[02:32] <Jucato> !nvidia
[02:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:32] <Admiral_Chicago> no i'll look at it nom
[02:32] <Admiral_Chicago> err i mean
[02:32] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: I forgot to tell you to file the bug in bugs.kde.org rather than in LP
[02:33] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: i saw Sho said that, I'll put one on there as well
[02:35] <DaSkreech> Jucato: What Ruckus?
[02:36] <chx> Jucato: huh, oocalc as light??
[02:37] <Jucato> DaSkreech: ruckus, noise, commotion. in MOTU and in the forums
[02:37] <crimsun> ?
[02:38] <Jucato> more probably because one of the owners of one of the repos listed there (ion, I think) did something to inform users about the dangers of using non-official repositories. he did it by changing the user's wallpaper
[02:40] <DaSkreech> Oh!
[02:40] <DaSkreech> That's not nice
[02:40] <DaSkreech> SFW?
[02:42] <Jucato> DaSkreech: what wasn't also nice was that the guy who recommended putting all those repositories didn't inform ion about it. the problem was that ion is only on a DSL connection. so you can guess what happened when dozens of people added his repos (which he doesn't give out to everyone, afaik)
[02:42] <nrdb> I am trying to setup a vncserver to present a GDM login when a viewer connects, I have setup a system according to http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/VNC_GDM but the vncviewer won't connect :( can anyone help here?  I can ping the computer and there are no firewalls installed.
[02:45] <fulat2k> hi folks, anyway i can change the power manager in kubuntu 6.10?
[02:45] <DaSkreech> I'm confuzzled. Oh they were downloading from ion.. oh. Well I think everyone has learned a valuable lesson here :)
[02:46] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I'm free :)
[02:47] <DaSkreech> No More teaching for at least two maybe three weeks
[02:47] <Jucato> DaSkreech: one of the repos listed on that page was ion's. ion sort of got pissed off
[02:47] <Alter-Ego> i need speech to text program for reading caht
[02:48] <Alter-Ego> er, text to speech
[02:48] <Alter-Ego> so i can hear what is going on
[02:48] <Jucato> !ktts
[02:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ktts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:48] <Jucato> er...
[02:48] <Jucato> !kttsd
[02:48] <ubotu> kttsd: a Text-to-Speech system for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1925 kB, installed size 3940 kB
[02:51] <Dink> DaSkreech, that would be a nope doesnt work
[02:53] <ebiven> Does anyone know how to remove a laptop's cdrom drive without locking up the machine?
[02:53] <DaSkreech> Dink: Does it boot elsewhere?
[02:54] <Dink> yeah
[02:54] <DaSkreech> Dink: Assuming that you have a mac :)
[02:54] <Alter-Ego> configure it as a removable drive ?
[02:54] <Dink> the dvd works
[02:54] <ebiven> Alter-Ego: Whe do I do that?
[02:54] <ebiven> Whe/Where
[02:54] <DaSkreech> Hmm what do you have the kboot thingy on?
[02:54] <Dink> i think kboot needs tweaking
[02:55] <Dink> kboot is on the hdd of the ps3 its what it boots into
[02:55] <DaSkreech> Is it a Live DVd or an alternate DVD?
[02:56] <Dink> install/live dvd
[02:56] <DaSkreech> Does it support live DVDs?
[02:56] <Alter-Ego> ebiven no clue
[02:56] <Dink> lol no clue.... when I try sda Linux it says sda is not bootable yet... then when i do install-fc sda it looks for the FC dvd which of course its not
[02:56] <Alter-Ego> ebiven i suspect it can be done, system settings, advanced, drive or maybe through a cli
[02:57] <Dink> gtg ill be back on later.... need to pick up wife then dinner
[02:57] <sybermile> so is gedit called kate in kubuntu
[02:57] <ebiven> Alter-Ego: Thanks, I'll keep digging.
[02:57] <morkon> Has their been a fix yet with the /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy with multiplayer games? I have tried everything I could find on the net
[03:01] <purpleposeidon> uhmm... help. I turned on X's full screen zoom thing and now I can't turn it off!
[03:01] <purpleposeidon> ah, got it, nvm
[03:04] <DaSkreech> Yeah that happened to me too
[03:04] <jdfellow> Can't connect to X11 window
[03:04] <jdfellow> server using ':0.0' as the value of the DISPLAY variable
[03:05] <jdfellow> i am getting this error see above about not being able to connect X11 window what now?
[03:05] <jdfellow> Can't connect to X11 window server using ':0.0' as the value of the DISPLAY variable
[03:06] <jdfellow> what value do i set the Display variable to work ?
[03:06] <purpleposeidon> morkon: Maybe if you stopped alsa? just a guess.
[03:07] <campbch> does anyone here use kdevelop?
[03:08] <campbch> no? :(
[03:09] <bobindy> hi
[03:10] <bobindy> does anyone know how to configure samba
[03:10] <ebiven> Configure it to do what?
[03:10] <ebiven> I run a few Samba servers on FreeBSD
[03:10] <campbch> for some reason, it's changed... i never changed it. i can't access the list of projects available that i once had, it uses some crazy layout, doesn't create or open the primary .c file... i restarted, and now it says C++ instead of C, from the exact same settings, same program, and now i cant get back to C folder... it shouldnt matter, but it's really not working correctly?
[03:11] <ebiven> If it isn't linux specific I might be able to help.
[03:11] <bobindy> well is there a command to initiate
[03:11] <ebiven> To start the service?
[03:11] <bobindy> yes
[03:11] <bobindy> I downloaded it and I can find it in a folder
[03:12] <bobindy> but can't get it to work
[03:12] <jdfellow> can someone help me with problem?
[03:12] <ebiven> Should be in /etc/rc.d/
[03:12] <bobindy> how do   you start   it
[03:13] <ebiven> From a command line you can issue /etc/rc.d/servicename start
[03:13] <bobindy> ok thanks
[03:13] <ebiven> It's probably samba or sambaserver or smb-something
[03:13] <bobindy> let me try that
[03:13] <ebiven> There is also a "Services" applet
[03:14] <_j> hello, i pluged a generic usb keyboard into my laptop and it does not detect in kubuntu.  any suggestions would be appreciated?
[03:14] <ebiven> KDE Menu->System Settings->Advanced->System Services
[03:15] <bobindy> I'm  there
[03:15] <bobindy> it's not there
[03:15] <ebiven> Do you see something that says "samba"?
[03:15] <ebiven> Or smb?
[03:15] <ebiven> If not it may not be installed.
[03:16] <bobindy> how do I install
[03:16] <bobindy> I used adept
[03:16] <ebiven> Sadly, this question is Ubuntu-specific, where I have no experience.
[03:16] <bobindy> to download and install
[03:16] <ebiven> I'm a Kubuntu noob.
[03:16] <bobindy> bummre
[03:16] <bobindy> bummer
[03:16] <bobindy> thanks anyway
[03:17] <bobindy> I thought there was some sort of command to initiate it
[03:17] <ebiven> Too bad you don't need to pull apart that huge config file or integrate to an LDAP server.
[03:17] <ebiven> :)
[03:17] <bobindy> I am going to pull something apart
[03:17] <bobindy> I will continue the search
[03:18] <_j> bobindy, try /etc/init.d/samba restart
[03:20] <bobindy> etc/init.d/samba: line 25:  5558 Aborted                 start-stop-daemon --st
[03:20] <DaSkreech> Dink: basically you have to decide if you want Linux from Day one :(
[03:21] <bobindy> do I need permission
[03:21] <lunitik> bobindy: do you actually need full blown samba? (its for a domain... chances are you only need a workgroup...)
[03:21] <ebiven> sudo
[03:21] <_j> yes sudo
[03:22] <lunitik> What was his original question? I find it hard to believe Samba is needed....
[03:22] <bobindy> that might of done something
[03:22] <lunitik> bobindy: chances are you just want to install 'smb4k' as its the easiest KDE based interface for configuring shares.....
[03:23] <bobindy> I installed it
[03:23] <_j> do you want to set up a shared dir? or shared printing?
[03:23] <bobindy> can't find it
[03:23] <ebiven> bobindy: Are you trying to ACCESS a share or be a share?
[03:23] <bobindy> dir
[03:23] <_j> go to /etc/samba/
[03:23] <intelikey> oh dir
[03:23] <bobindy> access a share
[03:23] <_j> and edit smb.conf
[03:23] <ebiven> You don't want samba.
[03:23] <lunitik> ebiven: irrelivant... workgroups can share files... domain is for centralized administration... just over complicates things
[03:24] <bobindy> smb ok
[03:24] <lunitik> bobindy: INSTALL SMB4K AND USE IT
[03:24] <lunitik> bobindy: I promise it'll be less complicated  :)
[03:24] <bobindy> ok
[03:24] <bobindy> thanks
[03:24] <bobindy> I think I did but I will check
[03:24] <bobindy> brb
[03:25] <lunitik> you certainly aren't using it!
[03:25] <lunitik> Home networks don't usually need domain controllers... unless you have like 50 boxes in your house?
[03:26] <DaSkreech> lunitik: Or you are a geek :0
[03:26] <intelikey> yeah the normal 8-10 computer home really doesn't need samba
[03:27] <DaSkreech> Or possibly testing stuff onyourself at home beofre you do it at work
[03:27] <lunitik> bobindy: via smb4k's depends... you'll also be able to use 'smb://computername/where/you/put/the/file/you/want
[03:27] <_j> bobindy smb.conf config is easy.  i've had smb4k crash.  let me know if you want the lines to add to smb.conf?
[03:27] <lunitik> just like you'd use http://
[03:27] <lunitik> _j: he doesn't need all that!
[03:27] <bobindy> I checked adept
[03:28] <bobindy> I installed smb4k
[03:28] <bobindy> smbc
[03:28] <lunitik> bobindy: then use it... it has a very simple interface!
[03:28] <bobindy> the problem is I can't find  it
[03:28] <Lam_> my laptop's built-in infrared sensor works out of the box. how do i disable it?
[03:29] <bobindy> where would it be
[03:29] <lunitik> NOT smbclient... smb4k ... its a kde application similar (kinda) to Network Neighborhood... only way better laid out!
[03:29] <bobindy> got both
[03:29] <lunitik> bobindy: either system or network in your kmenu
[03:29] <lunitik> bobindy: you don't want to use smbclient directly... thats why you have smb4k  :)
[03:29] <bobindy> nope
[03:29] <bobindy> ok
[03:30] <bobindy> the cats out of the bag
[03:30] <bobindy> I don't know what I am doing
[03:30] <lunitik> Grr... Utilities? its in one of those... "SMB/CIFS browser" or something
[03:30] <bobindy> I'll serch for smb4k
[03:31] <bobindy> yes you are right I found it
[03:31] <lunitik> bobindy: I could already tell that much... that's what we're here for though... to help you learn etc  :)
[03:32] <intelikey> lunitik i want to learn etc
[03:32] <intelikey> :)
[03:32] <bobindy> failed to mount
[03:33] <lunitik> bobindy: in the bottom left corner... there is a browser ... it should look for and find your windows box/other samba box...
[03:33] <lunitik> (I'm gonna be really mad if this is for network printing or such...)
[03:33] <bobindy> yes
[03:33] <lunitik> intelikey: You have to ask questions to get answers!
[03:33] <bobindy> do  you put the computer name in
[03:33] <bobindy> or ip address
[03:34] <Homer> I"M USIN KDE 4
[03:34] <intelikey> ok what does /ect/ stand for ?
[03:34] <lunitik> bobindy: best to use ip  ... you likely don't have nmbd around
[03:34] <intelikey> etc
[03:34] <bobindy> ok
[03:34] <bobindy> let me try
[03:34] <bobindy> thanks
[03:34] <Homer> //etc is where
[03:34] <Homer> all config files
[03:34] <Homer> are stored
[03:34] <intelikey> not all but most
[03:35] <Homer> all global config files
[03:35] <lunitik> intelikey: it actually stands for ecetera ...  but pretend I spelled that correctly...
[03:35] <Homer> user config files are stored in ~
[03:35] <intelikey> Homer actually no.  a very odd few are in /usr/share
[03:35] <Homer> oh
[03:35] <lunitik> It was originally for files that that didn't fit anywhere else
[03:35] <Homer> yay for consistancy
[03:36] <Jucato>  /etc/kde3/has the *rc confi files, while /usr/share/apps have the XML config files and other stuff needed by the app (like themes, images, etc)
[03:36] <Jucato> these are mirrored in ~/.kde/share/config and ~/.kde/share/apps
[03:36] <lunitik> Jucato: he asked about where KDE4 is putting things....
[03:36] <Jucato> ah
[03:36] <[Relic] > Hello :)
[03:36] <Jucato>  /etc/kde4? hehehe
[03:37] <intelikey> lunitik who did ?
[03:37] <lunitik> intelikey: Homer did
[03:37] <Jucato> afaik, KDE4 development release is installed on /opt so that you can use it together with KDE 3 on Edgy
[03:37] <Homer> plasma sounds cool
[03:37] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: i don't think it's in /opt but it's in a folder that can be used side by side with 3 yes
[03:38] <Homer> kde 4 dev 2 is still using kicker
[03:38] <lunitik> Jucato: /opt and /usr/lib/kde4 mostly... but config files? I have no idea personally... other than user configs which are in .kde4
[03:38] <intelikey> plasma sounds cool  hehhe   sound hot to me...
[03:38] <lunitik> Homer: Kicker is part of plasma of course...
[03:38] <Homer> sort of
[03:38] <Homer> from what I read plasma is a complete rewrite
[03:39] <Homer> it be a application that replaces kicker and kdesktop
[03:39] <DaSkreech> Homer: it's not supposed to use kicker?
[03:39] <Jucato> no. it's not a complete rewrite, but some have been re-written. but not everything
[03:39] <DaSkreech> as long as it doesn't use hobbler :)
[03:39] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[03:39] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:39] <Admiral_Chicago> hehe
[03:39] <lunitik> Homer: nah... they are using bits from kicker/kdesktop/konqueror/kompose/etc - porting and making more seamless
[03:39] <Jucato> :)
[03:40] <Homer> and will have native support for widgets
[03:40] <Homer> in plasma
[03:40] <Skrot-> Also apple widgets afaik
[03:40] <lunitik> Admiral_Chicago: this is on topic... unless there is a #kubuntu+1 ?
[03:40] <lunitik> (actually, I think there are edgy packages for beta kde4)
[03:40] <campbch> :p are there any arguments i have to use with gcc? i'm trying gcc ncursestest.c and it says there is no input file?
[03:40] <Jucato> lunitik: the /etc question is on topic, but not the other KDE 4 topics
[03:41] <lunitik> Jucato: hmm.... is there a #kubuntu-kde4 at least?
[03:41] <Jucato> lunitik: to ask about development questions for KDE4? #kubuntu-devel or #kde4-devel
[03:41] <campbch> aaanyone know?
[03:41] <Jucato> but be prepared, they will presume that you are a developer, not a regular user just playing around
[03:43] <lunitik> I'm more than a regular user playing around.... I just suck at concentrating enough to actually write apps/package things (packaging has always scared me cuz I'll be sucked into code if things don't work...)
[03:43] <bobindy> back
[03:43] <lunitik> bobindy: you figure everything out?
[03:43] <bobindy> not sure how to find the ip address on the windows box
[03:44] <DaSkreech> Great now I have to purge Mplayer
[03:44] <intelikey> i'm just a regular user  :)
[03:44] <lunitik> bobindy: did you set up a computer name on that box? if not, just Start > Run > 'cmd' on the windows box... and type 'ping localhost'
[03:44] <bobindy> yes
[03:44] <lunitik> Or IPCONFIG ... but yeah
[03:45] <lunitik> bobindy: you might be able to just type the computer name... XP machines submit such info... idk about previous versions...
[03:46] <lunitik> bobindy: theoretically it should just be possible to browse to the machine.. smb4k should scan the network and find the other machine etc... there is some config options in the interface also to set workgroup etc...
[03:47] <intelikey> why would mplayer depend on "libdv4 libdvdread3"   that's about stupid isn't it ?
[03:47] <lunitik> Settings > Configure SMB4k almost certainly  :)
[03:47] <bobindy> ok let me try
[03:48] <lunitik> intelikey: mplayer shouldn't... I've never seen an mplayer package depend on libdvdread3 ... the people that worked on it also ship w32codecs and libdvdcss2.... so wouldn't make sense
[03:48] <lunitik> Maybe the packager decided its a good idea though?
[03:48] <intelikey> lunitik the dapper package does.
[03:48] <intelikey> maybe you just didn't notice.
[03:49] <lunitik> intelikey: I didn't use mplayer from the archive.... used debian-multimedia when it was nerim.net ... apparently Ubuntu just drug some packages in from there though, so they shouldn't have been that different
[03:50] <lunitik> (I've used Marillat packages too much, and it never broke anything.... today the situation is likely a lot worse though...)
[03:50] <unix_infidel> lunitik: my guess is that the extra stuff is included so that no one whines about it just "not working"
[03:50] <lunitik> (Different major libc versions...)
[03:51] <intelikey> "shouldn't"   heh    well any way, dappers mplayer depends on the dvd krap even though i don't have a dvd drive....
[03:51] <lunitik> unix_infidel: perhaps.... those other packages are likely in universe for instance
[03:51] <campbch> is there supposed to be some sort of vimtutor program?
[03:51] <intelikey> doesn't matter i have no intintion of actually installing it.
[03:51] <unix_infidel> intelikey: what's your point, you can still play digital video format media right?
[03:51] <unix_infidel> you just need a dvd iso.
[03:52] <intelikey> unix_infidel and ?
[03:52] <campbch> i a) can't find it installed, b) cant find it on adept, and c) cannot figure vim out to save my life... it seems like there are very specific ways to do things that are not self-evident, like deleting lines
[03:53] <campbch> also, how should one remove a directory using rmdir? it needs to be empty, but that's silly?
[03:53] <lunitik> campbch: it SHOULD be in Universe....
[03:53] <campbch> there has to be a switch that deletes the directory and everything in it
[03:53] <unix_infidel> or just use rm
[03:53] <intelikey> campbch heh yeah i like vim about that much too   ues nano.
[03:53] <intelikey> use
[03:53] <unix_infidel> vim is great if you want to macro everything or have very specific needs.
[03:54] <lunitik> campbch: apt-cache search vimtutor returns vim-common... I'd prolly try that  ;)
[03:55] <lunitik> also, there is vim-doc which apparently even gives you pretty html layouts.... which tells me its likely on the net too... but yeah... point konqi @ /usr/share/docs/vim-doc/whatever/chapter/you/want
[03:55] <campbch> i had vim-common installed by default, but vim, and vim-full, and all the other useful packages that might contain vim itself were not instaleld
[03:55] <campbch> installed*
[03:55] <intelikey> unix_infidel until you get to extended reg. exp. mcedit can do all vi* does and is a lot more user friendly.  but it does have some M$ nastalga about it, so some don't like it.
[03:56] <ForzaPalermo> hey guys i have a linksys wireless card - broadcom chipset..... i can get online fine with iwconfig, but i cant get knetwork manager to find anything or even see the card
[03:56] <ForzaPalermo> what can i do?
[03:56] <lunitik> ForzaPalermo: NetworkManager is started?
[03:56] <ForzaPalermo> i would assume so
[03:57] <lunitik> ForzaPalermo: don't guess... ps -e | grep NetworkManager
[03:57] <ForzaPalermo> ps -e | grep NetworkManager
[03:57] <ForzaPalermo> oops
[03:57] <ForzaPalermo>  4242 ?        00:00:00 NetworkManager
[03:57] <ForzaPalermo>  4262 ?        00:00:00 NetworkManagerD
[03:58] <lunitik> Hmm... then we meander into other means of configuration.... that I usually get in trouble for helping people with  :/
[03:59] <ForzaPalermo> lunitik, hehe, well any help will do
[03:59] <intelikey> hmmm "NetworkManager" another app i've never used.
[03:59] <campbch> is it possible to set the settings so that konsole doesn't beep? whenever i change it, it changes back
[03:59] <lunitik> ForzaPalermo: #debian is more useful... just don't tell them you're running K/Ubuntu... it just tells them you're an idiot (not because of what you use, but because you asked in the wrong spot etc...)
[03:59] <intelikey> campbch yes inside konsole preferances
[04:00] <lunitik> intelikey: Not really useful unless you have a wireless nic
[04:00] <intelikey> visual bell
[04:00] <intelikey> lunitik i don't have a nic
[04:00] <Jucato> campbch: when you remove the System Bell, do you Save as Default afterwards?
[04:01] <bobindy> back
[04:01] <lunitik> Someone should change that... imo too many people are used to just setting it to save
[04:01] <bobindy> gettin alot of fails
[04:02] <Lam_> is there a terminal command to watch for input from any external devices? i want to see what device is picking up my infrared remote and disable it
[04:02] <bobindy> thanks for your help
[04:02] <bobindy> everyone
[04:02] <Hawkwind> Lam_: Possibly tail -f /var/log/message or dmesg
[04:02] <Lam_> Hawkwind: ok i'll try that. thanks
[04:02] <intelikey> Lam_ rmmod irmod    or is it ir_mod    maybe lsmod and find the module name...
[04:03] <Lam_> intelikey: i don't exactly know what module it is. the infrared worked out of the box in kubuntu
[04:03] <intelikey> lam look for ir*mod
[04:03] <ForzaPalermo> no one is helping me in debian :(
[04:03] <lunitik> bobindy: You're sure the Windows system is set up for sharing files and folders?
[04:04] <intelikey> ForzaPalermo what you working on ?
[04:04] <lunitik> grrr
[04:04] <ForzaPalermo> getting knetwork manager to detect my wireless broadcom chipset
[04:04] <ForzaPalermo> this way i dont need to use iwconfig
[04:04] <lunitik> He should NOT be having issues... even my mother figured out how to browse Windows shares with SMB4K  :/
[04:04] <ForzaPalermo> i want to say its something to do with me interface file
[04:05] <intelikey> ForzaPalermo hmmm out of my ball park,   have you asked in ##linux ?
[04:05] <Lam_> intelikey: nothing. didn't find anything even with ir*
[04:05] <ForzaPalermo> no
[04:05] <intelikey> Lam_  lsmod | grep ir     turned up empty handed ?
[04:06] <Lam_> intelikey: yeah
[04:06] <lunitik> Certainly a better source than ##linux
[04:07] <[Relic] > where's the cofiguration for sensors and the sensor data stored (if it is logged)
[04:07] <Lam_> how irritating. i can't work on getting my remote to work on my desktop if my laptop keeps turning itself on when i push buttons
[04:07] <ForzaPalermo> im not scared... im in debian... and no one even responded
[04:08] <lunitik> ForzaPalermo: you already messed up... its called NetworkManager-kde in Debian
[04:08] <intelikey> lunitik "helpful bunch so long as..."   i've never gotten any thing but foul mouthed adgitation from there...
[04:08] <lunitik> intelikey: I learn a bunch every time I go in there...
[04:08] <intelikey> i'm sure there are some really nice people judging by the number of users.  but....  the loud mouth is the one heard.
[04:09] <ForzaPalermo> lunitik, well how am i supposed to know that
[04:09] <lunitik> I also know who to ask when I have a legit question....
[04:09] <intelikey> that's the key ^
[04:09] <lunitik> ForzaPalermo: your question is related to NetworkManager... not the KDE interface
[04:10] <lunitik> ForzaPalermo: hmm: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[04:11] <intelikey> ForzaPalermo generally as short as you can make a question with still providing the pertanant info, is the best.   in any channel...
[04:11] <Kiongku_> ^
[04:12] <ForzaPalermo> ok thanks
[04:12] <lunitik> Read through the issues etc... see if anything seems familier... ignore nm-applet same as knetworkmanager... everything else is valid
[04:12] <paulw> ForzaPalermo: quietly lurking to get the feel of the environment helps too
[04:12] <lunitik> intelikey: Not at all...
[04:12] <lunitik> !smart questions
[04:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smart questions - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:13] <lunitik> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html  <-- good reading to get help from intelligent people
[04:13] <intelikey> so go read it.
[04:13] <intelikey> :)
[04:13] <lunitik> Intelligent people don't want to guess what you actual issue is... they want all the info up front, so they can troubleshoot with you easier
[04:14] <lunitik> intelikey: I've probably read it in its entirety like 50 times....
[04:15] <lunitik> In the Ubuntu mediums, its generally ok, because knowledgeable people (ie, those that have your answer) are generally more patient...
[04:15] <campbch> if i were to install something like a library, e.g ncurses, how would i use it? im using ncurses.h like the tutorial says, but neither gcc or kdevelop can find it? i know kdevelop uses gcc to compile, so it's technically the same, but anyways...
[04:15] <campbch> it says its installed, but locate:ncurses..h turns up nothing, so it's not on the machine
[04:15] <lunitik> campbch: apt-cache search ncurses -dev
[04:15] <campbch> with one ., of course
[04:15] <lunitik> (note the space)
[04:16] <lunitik> uhh... ignore the - in -dev though
[04:17] <paulw> intelikey: there are a lot of super egos out there that legends in their own minds :)
[04:17] <kalbo> jucato !
[04:17] <Jucato> hi kalbo/dude_
[04:17] <dude_> hello guys
[04:17] <intelikey> paulw mmm hmmmm
[04:18] <dude_> jucato: how do i install nvidia beta drivers
[04:18] <Jucato> intelikey is intelligent-likely
[04:19] <campbch> ok, im following http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NCURSES-Programming-HOWTO/helloworld.html verbatim, but it will not compile saying that everything's all referencing bad things?
[04:19] <lunitik> dude_: http://albertomilone.com/wordpress  <-- he discusses the most useful recent drivers...
[04:20] <Jucato> dude_: dunno. just follow the link lunitik gave. just be careful. "beta" really means beta
[04:20] <intelikey> Jucato or not.  but we are all in error measuring our selves by our selves, and compairing our selves to our selves.....
[04:20] <Jucato> intelikey: trying to get philosophical, are we? :)
[04:20] <paulw> :)
[04:20] <lunitik> Jucato: I don't think Alberto's packages are really beta? just the most recent packaged....
[04:20] <intelikey> Jucato no did that earlier  remember... :)
[04:21] <dude_> jucato: ya, already a victim of beta crash community....
[04:21] <Jucato> lunitik: probably. dude was asking about beta drivers. I just presumed :)
[04:21] <campbch> everything is installed correctly, i just cant get it to work now :( it didnt give me a message saying it couldnt find the header this time
[04:21] <Kiongku> o.O
[04:21] <campbch> my eyes hurt
[04:21] <Jucato> intelikey: heheh. I'm not into a philosophizing condition right now, though :)
[04:22] <campbch> :(
[04:22] <campbch> i want
[04:23] <campbch> to be able to make a program that can take a screen print output at standard (x,y) spots in text form
[04:23] <campbch> they say ncurses can do this, but i cant get it to work
[04:23] <campbch> :( anyone have any pointers?
[04:23] <lunitik> Jucato: what is the versioning on the beta driver? his latest is 9629
[04:24] <lunitik> (latest in edgy is 82-something afaik)
[04:24] <campbch> what does it mean by undefined reference?
[04:24] <lunitik> campbch: #ncurses probably
[04:24] <Jucato> lunitik: 8776 on Edgy, iirc. Alberto doesn't mention in his blog which driver it is
[04:25] <lunitik> Jucato: http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/?p=42  hmmm
[04:25] <intelikey> there is an ncurses channel registered but it's empty....
[04:25] <Jucato> lunitik: I think the 9xxx driver is beta in the sense that it is not yet tested to work 100% on Ubuntu
[04:26] <campbch> is empty :( its gotta be a general question
[04:26] <campbch> im sure its something i just dont know about related to the system
[04:26] <paulw> gnite all
[04:27] <intelikey> campbch ask in ##linuxhelp   you might get lucky.
[04:27] <lunitik> campbch: you asked earlier about gcc args? you are using plain 'gcc ncurses.h' ?
[04:30] <lunitik> With build-essential and libncurses5-dev installed, it should compile with what your link says....
[04:32] <Benner> hi, i am a newbie to kubuntu, it first dont recognized my ati, so i had few resolution fail boot, but after started in recovery mode and reconfigure my xorg.conf i typed startx and its work now like a charm, but only if i go in console first and startx, if it boot from the grub, resolution fail, i supose there is two xorg.conf from different users?
[04:32] <robotgeek> Benner: nope
[04:33] <lunitik> Benner: 'sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic xorg-driver-fglrx'
[04:34] <lunitik> Benner: read that: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[04:34] <lunitik> I just realized the rest is complicated via IRC  ;)
[04:35] <intelikey> Benner also to your actual question,  the default config is in /etc/X11/  if you have one in any users home then that will be used for that user   you chould put the working config in etc and rm any others
[04:35] <Benner> intelikey if think that's my answer
[04:36] <Benner> let me see
[04:36] <lunitik> Benner: what I said will get things actually working...
[04:36] <Benner> lunitik: i did that already but in the recovery mode started by startx command... work fine
[04:37] <Benner> but i cant get into my default account
[04:37] <lunitik> intelikey: xdm/gdm/kdm do not parse ~/.xorg.conf or something... and .xsession doesn't configure settings
[04:37] <lunitik> Benner: the recovery mode uses vesa
[04:37] <intelikey> lunitik startx does !
[04:37] <intelikey> so think.
[04:38] <lunitik> intelikey: umm... care to give me a line where it contains this?
[04:38] <intelikey> no
[04:38] <lunitik> intelikey: No X Server parses a users personal config file for anything but individual sessions
[04:38] <Benner> when i go into system setting, display it says : graphic card=ati driver=fglrx
[04:38] <Dink> DaSkreech, you still around ?
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Yes
[04:39] <lunitik> (ie, you can throw things like 'exec fluxbox & exec amarok' in .xsession ... you can't tell it to use a different resolution via that file
[04:39] <intelikey> lunitik talking through your hat ?
[04:39] <Dink> i dont think there is a way to install kubuntu through kboot is my conclusion ;)
[04:39] <lunitik> intelikey: no... I've read the script
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Well there must be some reason :)
[04:40] <lunitik> intelikey: vi /usr/bin/startx
[04:40] <intelikey> lunitik i've started x via startx with a broken xorg.conf in my home and guess what....
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Other than Sony loves Fedora
[04:40] <lunitik> intelikey: /$HOME ... go through the entire file... it never parses a user specific server config... only session configs
[04:40] <SperMite> what would be wise to do with this message : Configuration file `/etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc' , here are my options ( http://dpaste.com/3106/)
[04:41] <solid_liq> anyone know how to access the advanced keybindings like you can in stock KDE so that I can assosciate a key press with a dcop command or a shell script or whatever I want?
[04:41] <intelikey> lunitik well you're not as clever as you think you are.   test it.
[04:41] <Dink> lol
[04:41] <lunitik> intelikey: you can specify another config file... but it WILL NOT parse one automatically
[04:42] <Dink> there probably is.... Im not smart enough to figure it out yet ;)
[04:42] <intelikey> yes it does
[04:42] <Benner> ok suposing there's another xorg.conf.. where are they supossed to be? in /home ?
[04:43] <lunitik> intelikey: you're wrong... but I'm not going to argue with you
[04:43] <intelikey> lunitik no i'm not.
[04:43] <lunitik> intelikey: find the line where it parses it, and I'll look
[04:43] <intelikey> (==) Using config file: "/etc/dhcp/xorg.conf"
[04:43] <intelikey> Data incomplete in file /etc/dhcp/xorg.conf
[04:43] <intelikey> see that
[04:43] <lunitik> ok?
[04:43] <intelikey> command was touch xorg.conf ;startx
[04:44] <intelikey>  /etc/dhcp is root's home dir btw
[04:44] <Benner> i only have /etc/dhcp3
[04:44] <intelikey> so stop talking through your hat.
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Dink: Yeah The only thing that is you have to knwo from Day one that you want  Linux on it
[04:44] <intelikey> Benner i set that up as root's home.  i don't have a /root  :)
[04:45] <Dink> what you mean ?
[04:45] <DaSkreech> SInce you have to format the entire drive
[04:45] <Dink> other then it will format your saved games ;)
[04:45] <Benner> oot@Benner:/etc/dhcp3# ls
[04:45] <Benner> dhclient-enter-hooks.d  dhclient-exit-hooks.d  dhclient.conf
[04:45] <Dink> yeah it will delete your saved games
[04:45] <DaSkreech> What kind of drive is it?
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Laptop?
[04:46] <Dink> yeah
[04:46] <intelikey> now lunitik if you care to test that.   'i could care less what file or line in the file does it'  you will see, and you will stop arguing with me about it.
[04:46] <lunitik> intelikey: 'touch xorg.conf ; sudo startx -- :1' ... uses /etc/X11/xorg.conf .... 'touch xorg.conf && sudo startx -- :1' ... gasp... it uses xorg.conf
[04:47] <Dink> Going to watch some tv with the wife.... going to think this through some mroe..... there has to be a way :)
[04:47] <intelikey> i didn't sudo anythinh
[04:47] <intelikey> i didn't sudo anything
[04:47] <lunitik> normal users can't startx
[04:47] <lunitik> (at least not from konsole  :/)
[04:47] <[Relic] > show me one person who is normal  :)
[04:47] <intelikey> lunitik sudo -i    then touch xorg.conf ; killall kdm ;startx
[04:47] <lunitik> *goes to try same test on a real cli*
[04:48] <lunitik> intelikey: why killall? just start anew  :/
[04:48] <intelikey> because the user asking the question that you were misinforming was using a root console to startx   simulate the conditions.
[04:49] <intelikey> or is that not obvious ?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Dink: if I see the other guy I'll drop your name
[04:49] <aib> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/CommonQuestions redirects to http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions
[04:49] <Benner> ok i'm trying something..
[04:49] <lunitik> intelikey: you're making shit up as you go along... and I wasted time testing... good job?
[04:50] <intelikey> shall i scrool up and get the quote ?
[04:51] <kalbo> jucato: how do i un install nvidia beta driver
[04:51] <lunitik> I did it via sudo -i  ... via sudo ... always reads xorg.conf... like I said IT WON'T PARSE RANDOM xorg.conf FILES
[04:51] <Jucato> kalbo: dunno... sorry
 hi, i am a newbie to kubuntu, it first dont recognized my ati, so i had few resolution fail boot, but after started in recovery mode and reconfigure my xorg.conf i typed startx and its work now like a charm, but only if i go in console first and startx, if it boot from the grub, resolution fail, i supose there is two xorg.conf from different users? <--- make that up.
[04:52] <intelikey> lunitik ^
[04:52] <lunitik> I have an ATI card... it happens to me EVERY time I do a fresh install...
[04:53] <intelikey> doesn't matter point is he has two xorg.conf files  one loads from startx in the console the other is the default and the default was the broken one.
[04:53] <kalbo> jucato: what is the command for re configuring the xorg/
[04:53] <Jucato> kalbo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:53] <lunitik> intelikey: He was a n00b guessing...
[04:53] <kalbo> jucato: tnx
[04:54] <lunitik> intelikey: Please stop addressing me...
[04:54] <intelikey> lunitik k stop agruing with me about it :)     </done>
[04:54] <sgorilla80> cpu scaling seems to work for me in kde but not in gnome
[04:54] <[Relic] > anyone know where the config file for sensors is?   I am sure it is getting mb/cpu values backwards
[04:55] <intelikey> lmsensors ?
[04:55] <Lam_> does anyone else use gaim and notice that gaim messes up the 2-row tray icons when the panel is set to 48px?
[04:55] <lunitik> [Relic] : dpkg -L lm-sensors | grep etc
[04:56] <lunitik> [Relic] : you'd probably prefer ksensors
[04:56] <nichole> eh
[04:56] <nichole> so im having trouble with firefox // konquorer + internet....
[04:57] <lunitik> nichole: what is the issue?
[04:57] <nichole> im on yahoo // sbcglobal // att // whoever they call themselves this week internet...
[04:57] <[Relic] > lunitik, not sure I am trying to find if there is any output file to see if I can get the info into another program too
[04:57] <nichole> but images in myspace decide not to load randomly....
[04:57] <nichole> and just some dont load... a lot of em do which is what makes it confusing... and its not the same ones from one session to the next...
[04:58] <reldruh> hi
[04:58] <lunitik> nichole: Thats because MySpace is targeted at IE, and IE allows for broken code.... fwiw, I've had better results with Flock for such sites
[04:58] <nichole> also: ive noticed that with the flash vids from say youtube.com that if i watch as i go or pause a bit into it they dont wanna play correctly if i wait till they are finished loading.. and replay from the start...
[04:58] <nichole> lunitik: flock?? wth is that :3
[04:58] <reldruh> I'm having some trouble using my camera in kubuntu and was hoping to get some help
[04:59] <lunitik> nichole: www.flock.com ... a firefox fork especially for social websites  :)
[04:59] <nichole> o.o zomg thanx
[04:59] <nichole> same with youtube?
[04:59] <lunitik> nichole: I use it as my current 32bit browser on my amd64 system.... works out nicely  :)
[04:59] <nichole> and is there a way to tell what flash i have... i want that new beta :3 if its stable at all at least////
[04:59] <nichole> lunitik:  is it faster btw?
[04:59] <nichole> ive noticed that firefox takes its pretty time :/
[05:00] <lunitik> nichole: for youtube... you want flash9 not flash7 .... flash7 has horrible effects like being out of sync several seconds on linux
[05:00] <intelikey> !flash
[05:00] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:00] <intelikey> !flash9
[05:00] <ubotu> You can download Flash Player 9 Beta here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for Edgy) - Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[05:00] <intelikey> first one was an ooops.
[05:01] <sgorilla80> how do you configre wireless in kde?
[05:01] <sgorilla80> i want an easy gui interfaced
[05:01] <nichole> ubotu:  thanx ;p been through that page.,. i know i tried to get the flash 9 in and also tried the regular... just wanted to knwo if there was a .. o wait thats a package for it on seveas?? sweet thats perfect.... and yes this is dapper sorry
[05:01] <intelikey> !wifi | sgorilla80
[05:01] <ubotu> sgorilla80: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:01] <nichole> er i meant intelikey not ubotu ... ~_~
[05:01] <intelikey> :)
[05:02] <nichole> and apparently i just sent an edit request to the bot ~_~
[05:02] <nichole> so the package is still flash-nonfree ?
[05:02] <lunitik> flashplugin-nonfree ... yes...
[05:02] <van> I can't get OpenGL to function with an ATi Radeon X1300Pro in Edgy.  Can someone help?
[05:03] <nichole> ah thanx
[05:04] <lunitik> mmm... he has w32codecs too... that'd be a pain to get working though  :|
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Why isn't flock in the repos?
[05:04] <sgorilla80> kaffeine seems good
[05:04] <intelikey> lunitik peace be with ya.  i'm outa here.
[05:04] <lunitik> DaSkreech: No maintainer built a package?
[05:04] <nichole> mm oh yeah... also what about the repository.. do i need to add a spot on it?
[05:04] <nichole> like main or non-free etc ?
[05:04] <DaSkreech> how is that possible?
[05:05] <nichole> sorry to bother as j00 go !_!
[05:05] <sgorilla80> is there something like the equivalent of network-manager-gnome
[05:05] <nichole> eg
[05:06] <lunitik> nichole: add deb http://seveas.imbrandon.com dapper-seveas custom via 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list (recommend at the bottom under '## THIRD PARTY REPOS'
[05:06] <lunitik> there is also 'extras' instead of 'custom' which is interesting....
[05:07] <lunitik> hmm... even more to have fun with via dapper.... he only has 3 for edgy  :/
[05:07] <lunitik> http://seveas.imbrandon.com/pool/dapper-seveas/
[05:08] <reldruh> can anybody help get my camera running? It's recognized in Edgy but I can't view files or use it with digikam. I keep getting the error message "could not claim usb device" when I try to view it in Konqueror
[05:08] <sgorilla80> is there something in kde, equivalent to windows xp wireless management program
[05:09] <reldruh> sgorilla80: in kubuntu there's a wireless assistant. It's in the K-menu under internet
[05:09] <Dr_willis> !wireless
[05:09] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:09] <reldruh> that sounds like what you're looking for
[05:10] <sgorilla80> reldruh: does it support WPA, or is that device dependent?
[05:10] <lunitik> reldruh: That thing doesn't directly utilize WPA
[05:10] <lunitik> sgorilla80: no
[05:10] <sgorilla80> is wpa support not very good in linux?
[05:11] <sgorilla80> what program should i use for wpa
[05:11] <reldruh> I tried :-)
[05:11] <Healot> sgorilla80: no... depends on the driver, really, manufacturer's support is lacking
[05:11] <lunitik> sgorilla80: it is... kwlan apparently handles it fine.... wlassistant is brain dead on the subject though, even though they both use the same backend
[05:12] <reldruh> speaking of manufacturer support, does anybody have any ideas why my camera is recognized but innaccessible?
[05:12] <DaSkreech> sgorilla80: I'm sorry are you a 80 lb gorilla?
[05:12] <sgorilla80> DaSkreech: 230 lb
[05:12] <aib> is there a way to make Adept stop filtering once I see the package I want?
[05:12] <lunitik> wpasupplicant is depended on by both.... but kwlan apparently handles it better.... you can use wpasupplicant directly if you're not scared of some man pages etc
[05:13] <lunitik> sgorilla80: ^
[05:13] <sgorilla80> i guess you can figure out how to write raw frames
[05:13] <sgorilla80> and watch how windows connects with wpa
[05:13] <sgorilla80> and make it work with linux
[05:13] <lunitik> wpasupplicant is part of default install
[05:14] <sgorilla80> cool, i looked at wpasupplicant, never tried running it
[05:14] <lunitik> You'd just feed it the key.... and voila
[05:14] <sgorilla80> cool, that sounds cool
[05:14] <sgorilla80> i have a sprint evdo card
[05:14] <sgorilla80> i guess i can hack on that now
[05:14] <sgorilla80> then when im at some place with wpa
[05:14] <sgorilla80> i can hack on wpasupplicant to test it out, and be able to look stuff up on the internet
[05:15] <sgorilla80> hard to get stuff working in linux (for me) when i have no internet
[05:15] <sgorilla80> i want a stomp box where i can give other people access
[05:15] <sgorilla80> like run a ap which is connected to evdo
[05:15] <sgorilla80> lunitik: run openvpn
[05:16] <lunitik> wlassistant will get you online if you turn off security to download knetworkmanager
[05:16] <lunitik> sgorilla80: care for my IP too?  :S
[05:16] <miyako> quick question hopefully someone can help me out with: how do I go about changing the default command line editor from nano to vim?
[05:16] <sgorilla80> well lately i have just been using iwconfig with shell scripts
[05:17] <sgorilla80> but im trying to set up ubuntu for other people and i dont expect them to do it
[05:17] <lunitik> miyako: export $EDITOR='/usr/bin/vim' <-- throw that into your bashrc
[05:17] <Dr_willis> be sure vim is installed. :)
[05:17] <sgorilla80> also im lazy and i dont want to keep writing shell scripts
[05:17] <lunitik> miyako: also... update-alternatives --config editor  will let you also
[05:17] <miyako> I don't remember specifically installing vim, but I use it all the time, if it wasn't installed I'm sure it was the first thing I ever installed ;)
[05:18] <Dr_willis> i think some other vi is isntalled by default.
[05:18] <aib> (first thing after emacs, of course)
[05:18] <lunitik> (gives you a pretty little ncurses interface any everything... you just pick from a list... but thats system wide)
[05:18] <lunitik> s/any/and/
[05:19] <miyako> hmm, ok, got that changed
[05:19] <miyako> it was one of those little things that bugged me, but never enough to really change
[05:19] <sgorilla80> so knetworkmanager is better than the kde wirless helper?
[05:19] <miyako> then finally today I decided that I might as well find out how to change it lol
[05:20] <lunitik> sgorilla80: if you have a laptop... certainly... unless you enjoy setting things up every time you want to access another WAP?
[05:20] <lunitik> miyako: update-alternatives is helpful little app  :)
[05:21] <miyako> yeah, seems like it
[05:21] <miyako> I'm pretty new to Ubuntu- though I'm guessing update-alternatives is a debian thing that ubuntu inherited?
[05:21] <miyako> been using Suse and Redhat for a while
[05:21] <lunitik> miyako: sudo update-alternatives --config [tab] [tab]    to see what else you can configure as preferences...
[05:22] <miyako> lunitik, thanks, that's handy ^_^
[05:22] <lunitik> miyako: Red Hat has it... I'm not sure about SUSE?
[05:22] <lunitik> They ported it from Debian  :)
[05:22] <miyako> Suse uses YaST for all the configuration stuff
[05:23] <Rawrness> Could i run berryl decently with this? http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7951638&productCategoryId=cat01151&type=product&tab=1&id=1152836575674
[05:23] <miyako> it's sorta like a linux version of the control panel in windows: clunky- writes over your config files- slow- but you always know that if you need to change something you can find it in there
[05:25] <miyako> ...wow, I never realized emacs had an IRC client
[05:25] <lunitik> Rawrness: comfortably? I'm not sure... things like the flame effect are pretty resource intensive... you should be able to get some effects though, yes
[05:25] <lunitik> Rawrness: Even with the open source drivers perhaps  :)
[05:26] <miyako> I wonder how easy it is to write plugins for Beryl
[05:26] <Rawrness> I would be runing the nvida betas
[05:26] <Rawrness> Right now my Geforce 6100 gives me alot of blank black boxs
[05:26] <miyako> someone needs to fix this desktop cube thing, we need a desktop n-gon, where n is at least 8 and preferably 16
[05:26] <Rawrness> I just want rid of them
[05:27] <miyako> I had a lot of trouble with the nvidia beta driver
[05:27] <miyako> it runs fine with Beryl
[05:27] <miyako> but the 2D performance is abysmal
[05:28] <lunitik> miyako: There are options to assist with that if I recall...
[05:29] <miyako> I've been playing around with OpenGL a bit lately
[05:29] <lunitik> Hmm... I don't see it  :/
[05:29] <lunitik> I guess that was the radeon drivers  :/
[05:29] <miyako> been writing a photo management app, was thinking for a bit about rendering the UI in OpenGL, to make it a fancy shmancy app for people to show off on their XGL desktops hehe
[05:30] <Dr_willis> write a screensaver that shows photos in little photo frames/collages and moving about. :)
[05:30] <Dr_willis> like a stack of instant-kodak prints blowing in the wind.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:30] <miyako> what I'm working on right now is a program that lets me import directories full of images
[05:30] <miyako> and do batch resizing, rotation, and watermarking
[05:30] <miyako> then automatically upload them to my blog
[05:31] <miyako> then I'm going to start adding some experimental features
[05:31] <miyako> like being able to search for your images by drawing a picture
[05:31] <miyako> as well as automatic photo correction ala "I'm Feeling Lucky" in Picasa
[05:32] <miyako> also thinking about trying to write a simple facial recognition algorithm
[05:32] <miyako> and tying it with a tagging system
[05:32] <miyako> so the application will start to figgure out what photos are of who
[05:33] <miyako> also have some Texture Synthesis algorithms I wrote in java that I might port over and add to the application
[05:33] <miyako> and eventually it will be one of those big kitchen sink applications that shows off a lot of things that are neat theoretically, but is unusable for anyone under the rank of Advanced God
[05:33] <miyako> sorta like Emacs :-P
[05:34] <Healot> geek blog ~ yummy
[05:35] <miyako> yeah, suppose I should head over to kubuntu-offtopic now
[05:35] <miyako> or sign off completely and get some sleep
[05:35] <DaSkreech> How do I close a split view in Konqueror?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> You lose geek points for sleeping.
[05:35] <lunitik> latter probably being the better idea  :D
[05:35] <sgorilla80> hmm, kde wireless network configurator crashes on me
[05:35] <sgorilla80> and when i get it running it doesnt work
[05:35] <miyako> Dr_willis - I haven't slept yet since I woke up at 1am saturday and started waiting in line for my Wii
[05:36] <miyako> I think my geek points will still be in good standing
[05:36] <sgorilla80> those automated network programs never work for me
[05:36] <miyako> and if I sleep so will I, at my job
[05:36] <miyako> lol
[05:36] <DaSkreech> Install Kubuntu on it :()
[05:36] <Healot> sleeping at work :)
[05:36] <Dr_willis> miyako,  not for a Wii. :)
[05:36] <sgorilla80> miyako: are you going to sell it on ebay?
[05:36] <lunitik> DaSkreech: same menu you created it in!
[05:36] <sgorilla80> you can install kubuntu on ps3
[05:36] <miyako> sgorilla80, heck no, I play Zelda on it
[05:36] <DaSkreech> lunitik: Ctrl+Shit+L ?
[05:36] <miyako> and then when I can buy another one, I'll install Linux on it
[05:36] <Dr_willis> I will go get a Wii  in Feb, or March.. when i can walk into a store and just pick one up...
[05:36] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:36] <lunitik> DaSkreech: R
[05:36] <sgorilla80> miyako: i remember zelda back in the nes days
[05:36] <sgorilla80> that was an awesome game
[05:37] <Dr_willis> actually you just reminded me of all the OTHER zelda games i got that never have finished.
[05:37] <DaSkreech> lunitik: Great :)
[05:37] <sgorilla80> zelda on snes was cool also
[05:37] <miyako> sgorilla80, the original zelda is available for the Wii through the virtual console ;)
[05:37] <Dr_willis> With the GC. and the move of zelda to a 3d world.. it just dont seem as fun...
[05:37] <lunitik> DaSkreech: only an option to close active view though.... annoying if you're not thinking
[05:37] <sgorilla80> miyako: that is awesome
[05:37] <sgorilla80> is it possible to disable your hardware eject button on cdrom
[05:38] <sgorilla80> i accidently hit it alot
[05:38] <miyako> Dr_willis, sgorilla80 - care to carry on this conversation in #kubuntu-offtopic ? I don't want to clog up the main room
[05:38] <DaSkreech> Hmm I should probably figure out a way to jump between split views then
[05:38] <lunitik> sgorilla80: mount a cd in it all the time.... then it won't open   :P
[05:38] <Dr_willis> heh - ive said about all i know on the topic. heh .. :)
[05:38] <sgorilla80> lunitik: i am playing a movie on it, and it still lets me eject
[05:39] <sgorilla80> i guess its not mounted, but able to be read
[05:39] <lunitik> sgorilla80: movies don't get mounted
[05:39] <lunitik> (nor do audio cd's)
[05:39] <lunitik> (in response to your question.... afaik there is no way...)
[05:39] <miyako> KDE auto-mounts DVDs on my DVD reader
[05:39] <Dr_willis> i noticed befor the KDE showed my audio cds with special dirs for flac/mp3/so on...
[05:39] <miyako> but the system won't mount DVDs at all in my burner for some reason
[05:39] <Dr_willis> but it dont show it now..
[05:40] <miyako> DVD movies that is
[05:41] <lunitik> sgorilla80: ls -l /media/cdrom0 (or 1) ... anything like .VCD listed?
[05:41] <sgorilla80> lunitik: nope
[05:41] <lunitik> sgorilla80: in neither directory?
[05:41] <sgorilla80> true
[05:41] <sgorilla80> i checked mount also
[05:42] <sgorilla80> nothing like a dvd rom is listed
[05:42] <sgorilla80> hdb
[05:42] <lunitik> (cdrom0 would be /dev/hdc .... cdrom1 /dev/hdd)
[05:42] <lunitik> sgorilla80: Then its not mounted...
[05:42] <sgorilla80> oh yeah, hdc
[05:42] <miyako> I think there is a command to tell what is mounted, and where
[05:42] <miyako> but I can't remember what it is
[05:42] <smaggard> df
[05:42] <smaggard> i think
[05:42] <Dr_willis> try the 'mount' command. :)
[05:43] <smaggard> type df
[05:43] <smaggard> itll show ya what is mownted
[05:43] <miyako> hmm, I guess that does show removable media as well
[05:43] <miyako> never realized that
[05:43] <smaggard> :D
[05:43] <Dr_willis> if its mounted.. it should show it.
[05:43] <miyako> I think there is another, much more cryptic command, that does the same thing
[05:43] <Dr_willis> the system  dosent care about 'removeable' or not. :)
[05:44] <miyako> Dr_willis, true enough - guess I should know that
[05:44] <lunitik> Everything is removeable/hot swappable in the kernel....
[05:45] <lunitik> Including CPU's and RAM... on every platform.... thanks to mainframe support....
[05:45] <Dr_willis> everything is a file. :)
[05:45] <lunitik> Dr_willis: over simplification, but sure
[05:46] <sgorilla80> does kde have something where you can see temperature readouts?
[05:46] <sgorilla80> like lmsensors
[05:46] <lunitik> although I don't recommend pulling out a ram stick or cpu for the record... it SHOULD work... but it COULD go bang too!
[05:46] <Dr_willis> lunitik,  heh - it was in some Linux book by oriealy so its got to be true!
[05:46] <Dr_willis> :)_
[05:46] <lunitik> sgorilla80: ksensors
[05:46] <miyako> lunitik, might not work so well on single CPU machines though ;)
[05:47] <lunitik> Dr_willis: It is... Greg Kroah-Hartman was boasting about it not so long ago
[05:47] <miyako> maybe if you did it REALLY fast
[05:47] <lunitik> (well, I read the presentation not so long ago...)
[05:47] <miyako> "when you can swap your CPU between clock cycles, then will you be ready"
[05:47] <Dr_willis> Yea - its so confusing to  my windows friends that i can 'mount' a drive anywhere on the system..
[05:48] <lunitik> Dr_willis: You can do that on Windows too actually....
[05:48] <miyako> Dr_willis, can't you do that on Windows too?
[05:48] <lunitik> miyako: you can indeed!
[05:48] <Dr_willis> its ever worked very well...
[05:48] <Dr_willis> under windows for me.
[05:48] <lunitik> I did it like 30 times just to make sure once  (H)
[05:49] <Dr_willis> heck windows has fits when my system installed to D: and  i had no C:
[05:49] <lunitik> Dr_willis: You just create a drive... and instead of picking a drive letter... pick a Directory....
[05:49] <miyako> *nod* that's the way our work machines are set up, and they are running NT4
[05:49] <Dr_willis> lunitik,  i do belive thats for ntfs only however...  i forget now.
[05:49] <lunitik> Dr_willis: Yeah, it doesn't like that much
[05:50] <Dr_willis> i aint booted to windows in a Loooooooooong time
[05:50] <lunitik> Dr_willis: Its not even for XP Home... only the professional branches
[05:50] <Dr_willis> lunitik,  heh.. well aint that special... lets take out features!
[05:50] <lunitik> Its one of the little throw ins you get for that extra ~$100
[05:50] <miyako> I use linux at home, at work I have to use windows...to run cygwin to SSH into a linux box
[05:50] <lunitik> Dr_willis: To be fair, you get FTP and HTTP servers too etc....
[05:51] <Dr_willis> I just use putty.exe to ssh to my linux box's :)
[05:51] <Dr_willis> lunitik,  let me get out my wallet! heh
[05:51] <lunitik> You get an average Linux system for $240
[05:51] <miyako> Dr_willis, all our work machines run Cygwin, because they won't install Linux, but they will do everything linux-y on windows under Cygwin *sigh*
[05:52] <Dr_willis> isent cygwin like.. no longer being developed?
[05:52] <miyako> Dr_willis, it's changed hands a bunch of times, and Redhat no longer supports it AFAIK, but there is still a bit of work that gets done on it
[05:52] <lunitik> Dr_willis: I'm sure it sees a line a year, at LEAST!
[05:53] <Dr_willis> heh.
[05:53] <miyako> we're running the latest version XOrg on it, as well as gcc4
[05:53] <Dr_willis> last i used cygwin - some how it made some dirs on my XP drive i couldent delete.. :)
[05:53] <lunitik> It was one of the things Red Hat got via the Cygnus transaction
[05:53] <miyako> I'm not complaining though
[05:53] <miyako> they are talking about maybe moving to Linux
[05:53] <miyako> and it will certainly make my life easier
[05:54] <miyako> since there won't be nearly as much stuff that needs to get ported over
[05:54] <lunitik> miyako: Thats pretty much why Cygwin was created.... as an entry point  :)
[05:54] <Dr_willis> Ive been putting XMING (ximg?) some X server.. on my window box's
[05:54] <Dr_willis> that + putty, lets me run apps on the linux box and see them on my windows box. heh.. they dont look bad either
[05:55] <miyako> I wish my net connection was faster
[05:55] <miyako> running X apps remotely is painful at work because of my home connection
[05:55] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: you can do that with cygwin.
[05:55] <miyako> also, because the X app I work on from home is multimedia intensive, and remote X isn't so good at that
[05:55] <lunitik> miyako: even via xnest? it has almost no overhead
[05:56] <Dr_willis> unix_infidel,  thats the old way. :P
[05:56] <unix_infidel> its an xorg port too, not a bastardized x11 server.
[05:56] <unix_infidel> erm, xfree *
[05:56] <miyako> lunitik, the biggest problem is I get horrible latency and have only like 128kbps upload from home
[05:56] <tlp__> hmm it seems like my evdo is working
[05:56] <miyako> and I'm usually running X to test my photo album application
[05:57] <unix_infidel> tlp__: on linux?  which device?
[05:57] <tlp__> on a sprint evdo card
[05:57] <tlp__> px-500
[05:57] <miyako> well, I'm going to head off to bed
[05:57] <unix_infidel> nice, how much time setting it up?
[05:57] <miyako> night all
[05:57] <tlp__> its about broadband speed
[05:57] <tlp__> unix_infidel: 2 minutes
[05:57] <tlp__> faster than setting it up in windows
[05:57] <tlp__> surprisingly
[05:57] <unix_infidel> tlp__: how much for the gprs card?
[05:57] <tlp__> unix_infidel : free
[05:57] <unix_infidel> with service?
[05:58] <tlp__> 50 dollars with 50 dollar rebate
[05:58] <tlp__> yeah, costs 60 a month
[05:58] <tlp__> they make another one, merlin model that has gps
[05:58] <unix_infidel> yea, t-mobile is only 19 a month.
[05:58] <tlp__> you would have to hack it, but it would be worth it
[05:58] <unix_infidel> unlimited.
[05:58] <tlp__> i heard t-mobile is slow
[05:58] <tlp__> its 15 a month if you want to tether
[05:59] <verbose> in a list of found packages from aptitude search blah, what does it mean when the package has i A pkg-name           - pkg description? specifically, what does the A mean
[05:59] <verbose> and how do i update those packages?
[05:59] <unix_infidel> tlp__: tether?
[06:00] <tlp__> unix_infidel : hook up a cellphone to it
[06:00] <tlp__> then use the cellphone as a modem
[06:01] <unix_infidel> tlp__: that's free.
[06:01] <kamui> how do I run libc5 apps in ubuntu?
[06:01] <tlp__> unix_infidel: how fast is tmobile?
[06:01] <lunitik> kamui: you don't
[06:01] <Dr_willis> libc5 - isent that like real real real old?
[06:01] <lunitik> kamui: if you really must.... you can look into a chroot
[06:02] <unix_infidel> tlp__: you mean independently dialing in as a modem?
[06:02] <unix_infidel> max you can get with that type of connection is 9.6
[06:02] <lunitik> Dr_willis: I believe its the old binary format before ELF... so yes
[06:02] <lunitik> a.out!
[06:02] <lunitik> thats what its called!
[06:02] <kamui> lunitik: Im trying to run a dedicated quake1 server, but all the binaries are libc5, and sdlquake locks up when a client connects
[06:02] <Dr_willis> vmware and an install of an old disrto. :)
[06:03] <Dr_willis> I belive there are updated versions of Quake and the servers out.
[06:03] <kamui> been lookin
[06:03] <tlp__> unix_infidel : 9.6?
[06:03] <Dr_willis> not the ones from ID.. but ones others have tweaked.
[06:03] <kamui> ill keep looking
[06:03] <unix_infidel> tlp__: using your cell as a dialup modem max speed is at 9.6kilobits/s
[06:03] <tlp__> unix_infidel : how fast is internet with tmobile
[06:04] <unix_infidel> tlp__: no idea, probably isdn+10 KB/s
[06:04] <SperMite> ok i just upgraded to edgy and im trying to get rid of the purplish kdm login, now i changed the kdm login to something else but the background still loads the purpleness behind the splash splash screen how do i change it?
[06:04] <lunitik> SperMite: Try the Background tab
[06:05] <tlp__> unix_infidel : this gets about 2Mbits
[06:05] <tlp__> kind of high latency though, about 150ms
[06:05] <unix_infidel> tlp__: real or advertised speeds?
[06:06] <tlp__> advertised, real speed i see is 1mbit
[06:06] <tlp__> 2mbit probably perfect condition
[06:06] <SperMite> lunitik what do you mean? like where i would go to change different backgrounds?
[06:06] <casev01> hi
[06:06] <lunitik> SperMite: KControl > System Administration > Login Manager > Background ... change stuff
[06:07] <unix_infidel> tlp__: then imho tmobile is the better value.  that's 3x cost for probably 1.5x-2x speed.
[06:07] <unix_infidel> unless this is mission critical bandwidth.
[06:08] <Dr_willis> ttyquake   - A perversion of Quake that renders the graphics in text mode.
[06:08] <litropy> anyone have more xgl mirrors?
[06:08] <Dr_willis> :) now thats amuzeing
[06:08] <tlp__> unix_infidel : what is tmobiles speed?
[06:08] <lunitik> SperMite: Don't ask me where that is in System Settings... I have no idea  :$
[06:09] <Dr_willis> !find quake
[06:09] <ubotu> Found: quake2, quake2-data
[06:09] <tlp__> 794.2 kilobits per second
[06:09] <lunitik> Plus, Distro's don't mess with the settings applet much... so it works out  :)
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: quake2_data is open?
[06:10] <unix_infidel> tlp__: probably about 60-70
[06:11] <lunitik> (just adding modules reallly... yay... more buttons to play with... no new interface to learn  (H) )
[06:11] <casev01> im trying to install the latest nvidia driver, but i have problems installing nvidia-kernel, i do it with the module-assistant from nvidia-kernel-source, but when i try to startx the sistem crash and say that canot load the kernel module
[06:11] <litropy> hmph. Maybe I don't need more mirrors
[06:11] <litropy> hang on - I've got something to paste
[06:11] <lunitik> casev01: thats not the Ubuntu way... they compile modules for you!
[06:12] <SperMite> =)
[06:12] <lunitik> casev01: sudo aptitude install linux-restricted-modules-generic
[06:12] <lunitik> (not that there is much compiling involved... they're binary... but yeah)
[06:12] <Dr_willis> DaSkreech,  i THink thats some sort of installer for the data from the cd.
[06:12] <Dr_willis> !info quake2-data
[06:12] <ubotu> quake2-data: Installer for Quake II data files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 13 (edgy), package size 8 kB, installed size 132 kB
[06:12] <casev01> i tried that, but  after installing i canot install the latest nvidia-glx
[06:12] <casev01> :(
[06:13] <tlp__> unix_infidel : that is about 10 times faster
[06:13] <DaSkreech> Ah ok that's more sensible
[06:13] <tlp__> i rather pay more money for fastest speed
[06:13] <unix_infidel> tlp__: your units are kbps mine are KB/s
[06:13] <Dr_willis> DaSkreech,  i never did finish Quake2 i think.,
[06:13] <tlp__> oh
[06:13] <Dr_willis> or Quake1 heh
[06:13] <unix_infidel> divide yours by ~8
[06:13] <tlp__> then its slighly faster
[06:13] <Dr_willis> I rember a Co-Op quake2 mod  that i played ages ago.
[06:14] <litropy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33068/
[06:14] <DaSkreech>  though there are so many better quake2 mods other there now I don't know why one would bohter with Quake original
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Unless you haven't finished it :)
[06:15] <tlp__> unix_infidel : how much is it for a card with tmobile?
[06:15] <litropy> ideas?
[06:15] <casev01> it says nvidia-glx has broken dependencies
[06:15] <unix_infidel> no clue.
[06:15] <casev01> nvidia-glx: Depende: nvidia-kernel-1.0.9629
[06:16] <lunitik> litropy: what does your /etc/apt/sources.list say? (just paste the lines containing beerorkid and blutkind here... only two lines)
[06:16] <verbose> would someone mind pasting their /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin or some such site?
[06:17] <verbose> i'm wondering if they differ from ubuntu and kubuntu
[06:17] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. compiling a kde window decoration theme.. im thinming i need to tell ./configure some option to where to isntall the theme to.. but not sure what to tell it.
[06:17] <Dr_willis> anyone rember off hand?
[06:17] <litropy> lunitik, it's actually four
[06:17] <verbose> Dr_willis: ./configure --help
[06:17] <casev01> someone knows where i can find that nvidia-kernel? in amarranth there is not
[06:18] <lunitik> litropy: that SHOULD be ok... paste SLOWLY (one line at a time... probably kicks on flood here)
[06:18] <litropy> deb http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz edgy main-edgy
[06:19] <litropy> deb http://media.blutkind.org/xgl/ edgy main-edgy
[06:19] <casev01> thanks, im going to try with that repos
[06:19] <Dr_willis> verbose,  right but the default for   --prefix= /usr/local/kde/ it seems.. so where should they be going. :) searching the filesystem now. heh
[06:19] <litropy> deb http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz edgy main-edgy
[06:19] <litropy> deb http://media.blutkind.org/xgl/ edgy main-edgy
[06:19] <litropy> there you are
[06:21] <casev01> there are not :(
[06:22] <litropy> ideas, lunitik?
[06:23] <lunitik> litropy: first looks correct.... weird... I'd tell you a hack... but someone would slap me  :$
[06:23] <ubuntu> new to linux have a few questions
[06:23] <lunitik> http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/dists/edgy/main-edgy/binary-i386/   <--- the release file exists.... and it seems to point at it....
[06:23] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Shoot
[06:24] <ubuntu> can i play games like splinter cell and shit?
[06:24] <lunitik> litropy: for shits... add a new line 'deb http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz edgy main-edgy binary-i386' and comment out the other two
[06:24] <Admiral_Chicago> damn
[06:24] <lunitik> (stick a # infront so its not parsed)
[06:24] <Admiral_Chicago> someone want to give me ops
[06:25] <litropy> erm... I don't think I'm i386
[06:25] <litropy> I'm running a 1.8ghz g5 ppc
[06:25] <Jucato> O.o
[06:25] <lunitik> litropy: use binary-ppc instead... thats listed
[06:25] <litropy> k
[06:25] <lunitik> http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/dists/edgy/main-edgy/
[06:25] <Admiral_Chicago> i wanna update the topic...
[06:26] <Admiral_Chicago> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/11/beta_ii_the_audio_fix.html
[06:26] <lunitik> Proof its Release file exists  http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/dists/edgy/main-edgy/binary-ppc/
[06:26] <Admiral_Chicago> Flash Beta 2
[06:26] <lunitik> Admiral_Chicago: thanks for the linkage!
[06:27] <lunitik> Hopefully thats better on emulated 32bit... because I'm seeing the same sync issues as with flash7  :(
[06:27] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: what exactly did you want done? and on what topic?
[06:28] <Admiral_Chicago> add the Flash 9 Beta 2 link to the topic
[06:28] <litropy> lunitik: am I putting edgy main-edgy after the url?
[06:28] <lunitik> litropy: For what its worth... apparently the script points to binary-powerpc ... but the directory is binary-ppc ... that is the issue
[06:28] <lunitik> litropy: yes... then 'binary-ppc' ... see if we can force it to do the right thing
[06:28] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: the Flash 9 factoid points to the official Flash 9 Beta download page, which is already updated to beta 2 anyway
[06:29] <Admiral_Chicago> ah cool
[06:29] <Jucato> !flash 9 | Admiral_Chicago
[06:29] <ubotu> Admiral_Chicago: You can download Flash Player 9 Beta here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for Edgy) - Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[06:29] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: unless that "fix" isn't part of the official download
[06:30] <Admiral_Chicago> let me check out some things
[06:31] <litropy> lunitik: I've got deb http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/dists/edgy/main-edgy/binary-ppc/ edgy main-edgy binary-ppc
[06:31] <litropy> look good?
[06:31] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: Seveas link has the Beta 1
[06:31] <Admiral_Chicago> 	9~beta1~seveas1
[06:31] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: yes, because he hasn't packaged beta 2 yet.
[06:31] <Jucato> that's beyond our control
[06:31] <lunitik> litropy: yes... try apt-get update'ing again... I'm not saying it'll work though... just to see if it does...
[06:31] <Admiral_Chicago> i know i know
[06:31] <Rawrness> RANDOM SPAM!
[06:31] <litropy> alright. be back
[06:31] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm compiling it for myself
[06:32] <crimsun> meh, beta 2?
[06:32] <lunitik> litropy: if it doesn't, you'll need to contact the maintainer of that site and inform them of the issue  (a good idea either way)
[06:32] <Jucato> crimsun: beta 2 for Flash 9
[06:32] <Admiral_Chicago> crimsun: i'm having audio problems still so i'm glad this it out
[06:33] <verbose> when i enter my username and password in kdm i get a blue background, then the circle gnome cursor, then it dumps me back to kdm
[06:33] <verbose> is there a way to see any parts of gnome that are installed?
[06:33] <Admiral_Chicago> verbose: you have a messed up Xorg
[06:33] <verbose> or a place to start looking for errors besides ~/.xsession-errors
[06:33] <Admiral_Chicago> Xorg.log
[06:33] <verbose> lemme check it
[06:33] <crimsun> Jucato: yes, I'm updating the source package now.
[06:34] <lunitik> litropy: WAIT
[06:34] <lunitik> litropy: you still around? I didn't even look at the URL when you showed me it  :@
[06:34] <litropy> yeah
[06:34] <litropy> got a paste for you
[06:34] <Jucato> crimsun: ah. that will also update Seveas' repo?
[06:35] <crimsun> Jucato: no, I maintain it for Ubuntu proper.
[06:35] <Jucato> ah nice :)
[06:35] <lunitik> grrr... that was supposed to be 'deb http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/ edgy main-edgy binary-ppc'
[06:35] <lunitik> I didn't notice your error in the URL till just now.... sorry
[06:35] <litropy> okay
[06:35] <litropy> what do I do now
[06:35] <litropy> here's the output
[06:36] <litropy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33071/
[06:36] <verbose> Admiral_Chicago: all i have is a couple of font path errors
[06:36] <verbose> which wouldn't cause this
[06:36] <lunitik> litropy: Add that to /etc/apt/sources.list ... stick a '#' infront of the previous lines (they still won't work, this is a test) and sudo apt-get update
[06:36] <verbose> i just tried sudo startx
[06:36] <verbose> and it's loading kde
[06:36] <verbose> wtf
[06:36] <litropy> alright
[06:37] <lunitik> litropy: meh... that didn't work at all... sorry
[06:37] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[06:37] <verbose> good call
[06:37] <lunitik> litropy: Inform the site that their scripts point to the wrong directory on PPC... should be 'binary-ppc' not 'binary-powerpc' according to their directory structure
[06:37] <lunitik> litropy: Thats all I can tell you really
[06:38] <lunitik> litropy: nothing you did wrong though, entirely their error
[06:38] <verbose> still no luck
[06:38] <verbose> does the same thing
[06:38] <litropy> okay, should I run any commands to clean up?
[06:39] <lunitik> Its now pointing to 42. Failed to fetch http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/dists/edgy/main-edgy/binary-ppc/dists/edgy/main-edgy/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  ... so its basically arguing with us  :(
[06:39] <DaSkreech> InkWell: Over here :)
[06:40] <litropy> if only I had another mirror, ya know
[06:40] <lunitik> litropy: you should remove the line I told you, and apt-get update again.... sorry that didn't work  :(
[06:40] <Admiral_Chicago> are you booting in recovery mode?
[06:40] <litropy> that would help, right?
[06:40] <Admiral_Chicago> have you changed your system recently
[06:40] <verbose> Admiral_Chicago: nope, normal mode
[06:41] <verbose> it's been a long time since i rebooted
[06:41] <verbose> i've done several apt-get update && apt-get upgrades
[06:41] <DaSkreech> InkWell: Can You see me?
[06:41] <InkWell> yea
[06:41] <DaSkreech> Ok cool
[06:41] <InkWell> thanks
[06:41] <lunitik> litropy: the servers you're trying to get compiz/beryl from messed up their PPC scripts... theres nothing you can do other than find another source for the packages you want
[06:41] <DaSkreech>  this is the main Kubuntu Channel
[06:42] <DaSkreech> now what kind of games do you like?
[06:42] <FreddyM> verbose: did you update to edgy or anything?
[06:42] <DaSkreech> You may want to read up on Linux games
[06:42] <InkWell> splinter cell
[06:42] <DaSkreech> !games | InkWell
[06:42] <ubotu> InkWell: Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[06:42] <lunitik> verbose: I didn't catch your issue... what was it?
[06:42] <verbose> FreddyM: i did
[06:42] <InkWell> i can't play battlefield and shit?
[06:43] <DaSkreech> !language
[06:43] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:43] <verbose> lunitik: i input user/pass in kdm, it goes to blank screen with gnome-like circle cursor, then returns me to kdm
[06:43] <InkWell> oops
[06:43] <InkWell> sorry
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Sure
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Umm battelfield I'm not sure
[06:44] <lunitik> verbose: does 'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE' return anything ?
[06:44] <DaSkreech> you'd have to check cedega
[06:44] <DaSkreech> !cedega
[06:44] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[06:44] <lunitik> fwiw, Wine is doing pretty good on the DX front these days  :/
[06:45] <verbose> lunitik: why not just grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:45] <verbose> sorry, pet peeve of mine
[06:45] <FreddyM> verbose: what type of card?
[06:45] <lunitik> verbose: cuz I like pipping things?  :P
[06:45] <verbose> lunitik: :)
[06:45] <verbose> lunitik: no errors btw
[06:45] <FreddyM> verbose: composite at all+
[06:46] <verbose> FreddyM: it's a geforce 7600gs
[06:46] <verbose> FreddyM: yeah, composite is enabled
[06:46] <DaSkreech> InkWell: So this is a live CD?
[06:46] <InkWell> is there any differnce in graphics?
[06:46] <FreddyM> verbose: okay let me pull up a link for you
[06:46] <DaSkreech> lunitik: You know what that means :0
[06:46] <lunitik> verbose: Care to try with it "Disable"d? Just to see if its the guilty party?
[06:46] <verbose> doing so now
[06:46] <DaSkreech> lunitik: About time for a new DX just to mess them up :)
[06:46] <InkWell> yer
[06:47] <verbose> same thing :(
[06:47] <lunitik> DaSkreech: They're about to release/already released 11 or 12.... 9 is pretty well supported though
[06:48] <FreddyM> verbose: http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-upgrade-common-problems-with-solutions.html
[06:48] <lunitik> verbose: create a new user? (perhaps you have a corrupt ICEauthority / Xauthority)
[06:48] <FreddyM> that may help
[06:48] <FreddyM> check your driver, it may be nv instead of nvidia
[06:48] <verbose> FreddyM: thanks
[06:49] <DaSkreech> InkWell: Well there are three ways you can move forward if you are really eager to use Linux and really dedicated to games :)
[06:49] <verbose> nope, does same for new user
[06:49] <FreddyM> verbose: new user?
[06:50] <lunitik> verbose: If you get bored trying to figure out whats wrong.... remove .Xauthority and .ICEauthority .... those are usually the guilty party when nothing else seems wrong
[06:50] <InkWell> DaSkreech: it's a live cd, i'm affraid of messing up my hdd and loosing  my stuff. my stuff is partitioned wierd
[06:50] <lunitik> verbose: (both in your home dir)
[06:51] <lunitik> verbose: trying with a different user would let you know whether it is a localized issue, in which case *authority is probably why... if not... then its something with X itself
[06:51] <DaSkreech> InkWell: ha ha :)
[06:52] <DaSkreech> InkWell: I find it's much better for your mind if you find a 20GB hard drive and use it for the sole purpose of running Linux :)
[06:52] <InkWell> i've done it too many times
[06:52] <InkWell> good idea
[06:52] <FreddyM> arg, anyone get get flash player working in FX, i'm still getting no sound
[06:52] <DaSkreech> Much harder to screw up your stuff till you get used to the two worlds
[06:53] <InkWell> very different worlds they are
[06:53] <DaSkreech> InkWell: now what kind of games do you like?
[06:53] <InkWell> right now i'm hooked on double agent
[06:53] <InkWell> but my 360 controller is messed up
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Hi noiesmo Whats up?
[06:54] <InkWell> scarface, WOW, battlefield
[06:54] <lunitik> IMO its not so different though
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Well WOW is the only one I know for sure works on Linux :)
[06:54] <lunitik> Battlefield and WOW have linux versions afaik
[06:54] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, hey not much really just relaxin
[06:55] <DaSkreech> lunitik: Not LInux Versions they work on Linux
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Slight difference
[06:55] <lunitik> Scarface is pretty knew, so unlikely it'll work anytime soon
[06:55] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, upgrade my system to edgy with aiglx and beryl on latest nvidia drivers running quite nicely
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Unreal 2007 has a LInux version
[06:55] <DaSkreech> I thought you had multiple systems?
[06:55] <InkWell> i saw that, any improvments running WOW in linux?
[06:56] <lunitik> I have 3 around the house... Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and XP  :/
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Well unless it's supported it's always going to be a hack
[06:56] <lunitik> InkWell: Don't have to touch the Windows box!
[06:56] <DaSkreech>  it works but WOW servers can pick it up as a bot running since they can't detect windows calls (obviously)
[06:56] <DaSkreech> lunitik: You aren't hooked on Double agent :)
[06:57] <DaSkreech> InkWell: You can use Linux and only reboot into Windows for Games but I always find that a bit silly
[06:57] <DaSkreech> 7 Gb for a whole OS
[06:57] <DaSkreech> 55+ GBs for games under windows :)
[06:57] <Admiral_Chicago> verbose: any luck?
[06:57] <lunitik> If they had you killing things the whole time... that'd be a different story  (H)
[06:57] <DaSkreech> lunitik: Try Serious Sam
[06:57] <InkWell> I like to "zone out" if you will and kill stuff
[06:58] <lunitik> DaSkreech: It run on Linux?
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Serious Sam 1 might
[06:58] <DaSkreech> two was a directX showcase as far as I know
[06:58] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, not serious sam thats mad havent playit in ages
[06:58] <verbose> ok, this is very curious...i just uninstalled kdm and installed gdm...AND IT WORKS
[06:58] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, does it play thru wine ok
[06:58] <DaSkreech> InkWell: You could get a PS3 and install Linux on it >_M
[06:58] <verbose> loads kde fine
[06:58] <crimsun> Jucato: uploaded.
[06:59] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: Not sure look it up on winehq
[06:59] <Jucato> crimsun: that was fast. :)
[06:59] <InkWell> i read about that, someone put fedora on it
[06:59] <DaSkreech> I'm guessing it's a good bet
[06:59] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, no you mentioned it you look it up lol
[06:59] <DaSkreech> InkWell: Yeah they have a install Linux button in it :)
[06:59] <Admiral_Chicago> verbose: gdm...blah
[06:59] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: Too late :-P
[07:00] <verbose> Admiral_Chicago: that's very odd though, don't you think?
[07:00] <casev01> dam, i canot find the nvidia-kernel
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> crimsun: sweet
[07:00] <verbose> it's got to be kdm somehow
[07:00] <InkWell> that was another linux i tried, the whole typing commands in seems to be a bit much for me though
[07:00] <verbose> but i dpkg-reconfigure'd it
[07:00] <verbose> so it should be defaults
[07:00] <verbose> /shrug
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> verbose: yea i was going to suggest aptitude purge && sudo apt-get install kdm
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> well it works now
[07:01] <DaSkreech> InkWell: It's not as bad as all that :)
[07:01] <InkWell> new things scare me
[07:01] <InkWell> seems intimidating
[07:01] <DaSkreech> so why aren't you playing solitare? :-)
[07:01] <lunitik> InkWell: Good thing its not a new thing then? people been typing on command lines since the 40's  :)
[07:02] <InkWell> for me it is
[07:02] <lunitik> InkWell: When you get it down, you'll wonder why you ever put up with GUI annoyances for some things
[07:02] <DaSkreech> InkWell: It's just like the Doom3 drop down console :)
[07:02] <lunitik> I type like 85wpm... takes less time to type a one-liner than browsing through 10 menus  :/
[07:03] <lunitik> There are things GUI's are better at.... but many tasks, CLI is much better suited to
[07:03] <InkWell> well, with helpful people like yourselfs should figure this out
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Ha ha You know WOW is huge when Cedega has it on teh front page
[07:03] <DaSkreech> InkWell: please come back anytime you want
[07:04] <InkWell> thanks guys
[07:04] <lunitik> InkWell: You picked the best distribution to ease in  :)
[07:05] <lunitik> Its Debian under the hood, so you know its powerful and can pretty much do anything.... but Ubuntu devs aim to make it as easy as possible....
[07:05] <InkWell> i just gotta set it up so i'm not running off this cd
[07:06] <lunitik> If you want to learn everything you can, if you don't... you shouldn't have to... will be even better next release, finally implementing simple ways to install binary things (codecs, plugins, drivers, etc)
[07:06] <DaSkreech> InkWell: Well if you want you can try stuff out until you get the heard drive to play with
[07:06] <DaSkreech> lunitik: is that what that is?
[07:06] <lunitik> InkWell: Why? Get comfy once in a while with the LiveCD... play a little... and get a feel for things  :)
[07:06] <DaSkreech>  I thought they were shipping with the nasty things
[07:06] <InkWell> true
[07:07] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: Funny part message :)
[07:07] <InkWell> one of my hdd is all mp3 and bootleg stuff, will it overwrite all of it?
[07:07] <lunitik> DaSkreech: they are going to make it possible for fetching of printer drivers, any kind of file that isn't supported, but CAN be, it'll ask the user whether they want to install an app for it...
[07:07] <DaSkreech> InkWell: Nope
[07:08] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, whats that --> Funny part message :)
[07:08] <DaSkreech> What about Beryl by default?
[07:08] <DaSkreech> noiesmo has left this server ("Bye All - - - Free yourself with GNU/Linux").
[07:08] <lunitik> InkWell: you can resize things... the Kubuntu CD's have QTparted on them
[07:08] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, you like that not bad hahah
[07:09] <InkWell> QTparted?
[07:09] <lunitik> InkWell: (think almost like Partition Magic... allows you to resize partitions....)
[07:09] <DaSkreech> InkWell: Press Alt+Space
[07:10] <InkWell> slingshot
[07:10] <DaSkreech> They ype qtp and press enter
[07:10] <DaSkreech> Then type qtp
[07:10] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=2527
[07:10] <lunitik> InkWell: It will even detect and set it up so you can dual boot... like without much interaction from you....
[07:11] <InkWell> cool
[07:11] <InkWell> here goes
[07:11] <DaSkreech> InkWell: do you have the space to install ?
[07:11] <InkWell> yea
[07:11] <DaSkreech> It's a good idea :)
[07:11] <InkWell> sda.....SATA???
[07:12] <lunitik> DaSkreech: Thats why we just got onto the subject of QTparted
[07:12] <Admiral_Chicago> InkWell: yes
[07:12] <lunitik> InkWell: yes
[07:12] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, thanks man I am looking at subscribe to transgame after xmas
[07:12] <DaSkreech> needs to play warlords
[07:13] <lunitik> noiesmo: I'd recommend TRYING it with plain old Wine.... just to see... although if Cedega is struggling to get it work, not really likely.... worth a try though  :)
[07:14] <noiesmo> lunitik, ok thanks was getting cedega for BF1942 it works well tried time demo's runns as well as in windows
[07:16] <InkWell> thanks guys, gonna backupup and install. Hope i don't screw something up
[07:16] <DaSkreech> lunitik: Well I think that if they are succesful it'll prove more people will pay for good games on Linux and more devs will consider it
[07:17] <lunitik> InkWell: just make sure you don't remove /dev/sda1 AT ALL, and it'll be hard to mess up  :)
[07:17] <noiesmo> lunitik, the way I understood it was 3 months min so only 15$ to get
[07:18] <lunitik> noiesmo: not a bad deal at all... I'd probably have given them far more if they had different business practices, that's all
[07:19] <lunitik> Being able to show my Step Dad some Windows games running on Linux would be $$$
[07:19] <lunitik> They didn't even used to do timed trials though... so maybe I'd check it out again, if I find a game thats worth while
[07:20] <Healot> lunitik: your familia are gamers?
[07:20] <Admiral_Chicago> lunitik: i show off composite and people really like it
[07:20] <lunitik> Healot: Step Father.. yes
[07:20] <Healot> you, lunitik?
[07:20] <lunitik> Admiral_Chicago: ATI Radeon Xpress, no DRI support  :(
[07:21] <lunitik> Healot: naw
 How are you?
[07:21] <lunitik> Healot: I've been known to bury myself into BZFlag with friends, but thats about it
[07:22] <Healot> bzflag eh; i am a penguin then
[07:22] <lunitik> HAD an X550, but it overheated the machine pretty bad  :(
[07:22] <Admiral_Chicago> malandrovjs: i'm well
[07:22] <Admiral_Chicago> lunitik: i have yet to play it
[07:23] <lunitik> Healot: It has decent graphics.... basically capture the flag with tanks.... not too bad...
[07:24] <Healot> i love 3D games, like ppracer and that netdoom clones
[07:24] <lunitik> Never heard of PPRacer... you talking about Falcons Eye though?
[07:24] <lunitik> NetHack frontend...
[07:25] <Healot> Feye
[07:25] <Healot> that's the one
[07:25] <Healot> Planet Penguin Racer.
[07:25] <Healot> funny/stupid slide downhill penguin racing game
[07:26] <lunitik> If its not in Debian's archives, I've probably never played it.... I usually 'apt-cache search games' whenever I'm really bored
[07:26] <lunitik> ahhh... TuxRacer!
[07:27] <lunitik> I didn't know they renamed that?
[07:28] <lunitik> I guess they renamed when they ported to Windows or something? Weird
[07:28] <DaSkreech> No I think it's a fork
[07:28] <billytwowilly> so I just followed the instructions linked off the main page of kubuntu to upgrade my server. Anything else I should do before I reboot?
[07:29] <DaSkreech>  they guys who did Tuxracer changed the licesnse or something and it forked and became ppracer?
[07:29] <Quinn_Storm> I have what is apparently the dreaded no-screensaver bug
[07:29] <lunitik> billytwowilly: any binary blobs in your system?
[07:29] <Quinn_Storm> kde screensavers setup & test fine but never actually launch
[07:29] <billytwowilly> lunitik: nvidia
[07:29] <Quinn_Storm> can anyone help?
[07:29] <billytwowilly> lunitik: but I put in the repository with the updated drivers.
[07:30] <billytwowilly> lunitik: there is a software raid 5 array.. I'd like to keep that;)
[07:30] <Admiral_Chicago> Quinn_Storm: you of all people?
[07:30] <Quinn_Storm> yep, me of all people
[07:30] <Admiral_Chicago> I just get a big X
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Hi Quinn_Storm
[07:30] <lunitik> billytwowilly: should be fine then.... if you don't customize things... make sure you install 'kubuntu-desktop' again though (if you remove big things, no need)
[07:30] <Quinn_Storm> the error even happens in totally vanilla kde, kwin, etc.
[07:30] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm looking at you LP page atm Quinn_Storm
[07:30] <Quinn_Storm> LP? my LP page is probably empty
[07:30] <Quinn_Storm> unless someone else edite dit
[07:30] <Jucato> O_O Quinn Storm is in here?!?!
[07:31] <Quinn_Storm> lol hi
[07:31] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Same reaction as me but I just typed hi :)
[07:31] <Quinn_Storm> I'm just a regular person with regular issues :-p
[07:31] <billytwowilly> Quinn_Storm: should I point to your repository or beryl if I want to set that up?
[07:31] <DaSkreech> billytwowilly: let him get help first :-)
[07:31] <Hobbsee> hey Quinn_Storm
[07:31] <Hobbsee> Quinn_Storm: rubbish.  you make beryl.
[07:31] <billytwowilly> heh. I'm rebooting. wish me luck.
[07:31] <Jucato> everyone! scramble to help Quinn_Storm!!
[07:31] <Jucato> heheh
[07:31] <lunitik> Quinn_Storm: I fixed it by simply actually choosing a screen saver.... ifs its the same bug in Sid atm
[07:31] <DaSkreech> Quinn_Storm: Rumour has it that it's a DPM issue
[07:31] <Quinn_Storm> billytwowilly: for beryl, start at www.beryl-project.org ... I'm not the ubuntu packager...and, DaSkreech , I'm a woman :-P
[07:32] <Quinn_Storm> lunitik: I did pick one...it didn't work
[07:32] <Quinn_Storm> DaSkreech: interesting...turn it on? off?
[07:32] <Quinn_Storm> sideways?
[07:32] <Quinn_Storm> Hobbsee: well thank you
[07:32] <Admiral_Chicago> Quinn_Storm: steip?
[07:32] <Admiral_Chicago> set up?
[07:32] <Quinn_Storm> hmm, Admiral_Chicago ?
[07:32] <DaSkreech> Quinn_Storm: I normally follow that up with assuming Quinn_Storm is a man :)
[07:32] <billytwowilly> Quinn_Storm: I don't recollect saying you were a dude... but cheers;)
[07:32] <billytwowilly> I'm rebooting into edgy for the first time.
[07:32] <billytwowilly> wish me luck;)
[07:32] <Quinn_Storm> I said that to DaSkreech , billytwowilly
[07:33] <Hobbsee> Quinn_Storm: i'd at least check if beryl's the culprit @ the screensaver not coming into effect
[07:33] <billytwowilly> oh sorry. was in the same line;)
[07:33] <billytwowilly> anyhoo, cheers;)
[07:33] <lunitik> Quinn_Storm: ahh... I'd thank you for Beryl too... but it just made me sad that I'm stuck with ATI drivers  :(
[07:33] <Quinn_Storm> Hobbsee: I'm running right now pure X, kwin, no beryl
[07:33] <Quinn_Storm> lunitik: aww
[07:33] <Admiral_Chicago> Quinn_Storm: what is your set up? card? DE? Release
[07:33] <Hobbsee> Quinn_Storm: ahhh.  which kde, and which release?
[07:33] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[07:34] <Quinn_Storm> edgy eft pure, i915
[07:34] <DaSkreech> Jucato: wonder why Quinn_Storm doesn't turn up here lots?
[07:34] <lunitik> (Radeon Xpress 200G ..... bah... apparently they do funky things for shared mem  :/  )
[07:34] <Quinn_Storm> I often stay away from #ubuntu/#kubuntu b/c they are SO busy
[07:34] <Jucato> it's not always this busy in here
[07:34] <Hobbsee> hrm.  kde screensavers are working in 3.5.5, to my knowledge
[07:34] <DaSkreech> #kubuntu is normally sleepy
[07:34] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Not here
[07:35] <Admiral_Chicago> Hobbsee: mine isn't. Edgy, beryl/XGL/ 3.5.5
[07:35] <Hobbsee> Admiral_Chicago: ouch
[07:36] <Hobbsee> do they work under a new profile?
[07:36] <Quinn_Storm> hmm I should try that...
[07:36] <Jordan_U> Quinn_Storm, Sure it isn't, just trying to cover yourself I'm sure ;)
[07:36] <Quinn_Storm> :-P
[07:36] <Admiral_Chicago> Hobbsee: no idea i'm looking at my settings now
[07:38] <Admiral_Chicago> Quinn_Storm: KDE 3.5.5?
[07:38] <Quinn_Storm> yeah, edgy eft
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Quinn_Storm: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/13/2112259
[07:38] <Quinn_Storm> cool yeah I was there for that
[07:39] <Quinn_Storm> like I said I'm mtf tg...and was lazy at UDS
[07:39] <Admiral_Chicago> Quinn_Storm: is this your error? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/67391
[07:39] <Admiral_Chicago> i get that
[07:39] <Admiral_Chicago> let me comemnt on the LP page
[07:40] <Quinn_Storm> yeah thats basically it, tho its almost always just blank
[07:40] <Admiral_Chicago> same here
[07:40] <noiesmo_> anyone help with this (EE) Error loading keymap /var/lib/xkb/server-0.xkm
[07:42] <chris_> so, let's pretend I just booted into edgy for the first time and I don't have anything around my windows with the close and minimize button on them and I can't type into the windows. What should I do?
[07:43] <Quinn_Storm> um...shout at the devs about why {metacity|kwin} crashed?
[07:43] <chris_> Ok, but how would I get that to start up again?
[07:43] <Quinn_Storm> its not easy
[07:43] <chris_> I'm in kde..
[07:43] <Quinn_Storm> ok...log out & back in
[07:43] <chris_> did that already, same problem.
[07:44] <Quinn_Storm> ok...that's juts bizarre
[07:44] <noiesmo_> chris_, you beryl
[07:44] <chris_> not that I know of.. should be default edgy.
[07:44] <Quinn_Storm> noiesmo_: no its a fresh edgy install, no beryl
[07:44] <Quinn_Storm> so this means kwin is crashing for some reason
[07:44] <noiesmo_> ok
[07:44] <Quinn_Storm> which is weird
[07:44] <chris_> it seems fine till windows from the previous install start up. ie. a konqu window that is full screen with  a webpage I was at while installing.
[07:44] <Admiral_Chicago> Quinn_Storm: does the test of the screensaver work/
[07:45] <chris_> it's shockingly similar to problems I had with compiz...
[07:45] <Quinn_Storm> yes, Admiral_Chicago
[07:45] <Admiral_Chicago> Quinn_Storm: hmm same here
[07:45] <Admiral_Chicago> let me change my screensaver and see if that helps
[07:46] <Quinn_Storm> I tried that, no luck here
[07:46] <chris_> wee! I have borders again;)
[07:46] <chris_> I put a script on my desktop that had kwin in it then clicked it;)
[07:47] <Quinn_Storm> lol
[07:47] <noiesmo_> now put it in kde/Autostart
[07:47] <chris_> any way to see what kde is trying to startup at the beginning and changing that?
[07:48] <noiesmo_> would sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg affect keymap error I have in Xorg.0.log
[07:49] <Admiral_Chicago> Quinn_Storm: it fails as well
[07:50] <brett> Hello all
[07:50] <Quinn_Storm> yeah I figured as much, Admiral_Chicago
[07:50] <chris_> samsamson
[07:50] <Admiral_Chicago> well then i feel like confirming this bug, do you have any idea how to replicate it?
[07:50] <Quinn_Storm> install edgy, try to use kde screensavers?
[07:51] <Quinn_Storm> anyway...I'll brb, relogging just to check
[07:51] <brett> For some reason my internet has been really slow since i install linux... could that be because of a poor driver for my network card?
[07:52] <unix_infidel> brett: devine really slow?
[07:52] <unix_infidel> define*
[07:52] <brett> unix_infidel: 5 to fifteen seconds to dl what would take half a second to 3 seconds on windows
[07:53] <unix_infidel> brett: i doubt linux has anything to do with it.
[07:54] <brett> what do you think is causing it?
[07:54] <unix_infidel> what kinda connection.
[07:54] <brett> dsl
[07:55] <brett> games and irc chat seem to be running just as faster or possibly faster
[07:55] <unix_infidel> it could be a lot of things, could be that traffic is high on your node, could be that you need to reset the modem, linux usually doesnt have much do to with bandwidth speeds.
[07:55] <brett> just web browsing
[07:55] <Quinn_Storm> grr, this screensaver thing is pissing me off
[07:55] <unix_infidel> brett: it could be your choice of browser too.
[07:56] <brett> firefox
[07:56] <Quinn_Storm> ok...relaunching kdesktop seems to have fixed it
[07:56] <Quinn_Storm> o_O
[07:56] <unix_infidel> brett: well, firefox and IE dont really compare...so no its not your interface driver.
[07:56] <brett> unix_infidel: i was using firefox on windows as well
[07:56] <Quinn_Storm> killall kdesktop;kdesktop
[07:56] <Quinn_Storm> thta's all I did and suddenly it works
[07:56] <Quinn_Storm> wtf
[07:56] <unix_infidel> brett: like i said, windows firefox and linux firefox dont really compare.
[07:56] <unix_infidel> either.
[07:56] <Admiral_Chicago> Quinn_Storm: really?
[07:56] <Admiral_Chicago> let me try that
[07:56] <brett> unix_infidel: linux firefox is better?
[07:57] <Quinn_Storm> tho I'd advise against using a GL screensaver with beryl...
[07:57] <unix_infidel> brett: I'm not quite sure which one is better.  I can honestly say they dont compare.
[07:57] <Quinn_Storm> composite+GL often breaks
[07:57] <Admiral_Chicago> I leaved that already
[07:57] <Quinn_Storm> especially on cards like the i915
[07:57] <brett> unix_infidel: ok thanks
[07:57] <unix_infidel> Two totally different memory management systems to start off with, the binaries are built totally different.
[07:58] <noiesmo_> ok I gotta ask as I don't know I seem to be logged in twice here how do I log out without closing xchat ??
[07:58] <Quinn_Storm> noiesmo_: the other 'you' is a ghost
[07:59] <noiesmo_> can I get rid of it or it'll just go away
[07:59] <unix_infidel> noiesmo_: /msg nickserv help ghost
[07:59] <noiesmo_> unix_infidel, cheers
[07:59] <Admiral_Chicago> no same thing
[07:59] <Quinn_Storm> weird
[08:01] <Admiral_Chicago> GL screensaver or not
[08:01] <Quinn_Storm> Admiral_Chicago: I'm using a GL screensaver
[08:02] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, well maybe https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/67391
[08:02] <Admiral_Chicago> you can add some feedback to the bug
[08:10] <Quinn_Storm> so oh well, I added feedback to the bug...anyway, not going anywhere any time soon
[08:11] <Admiral_Chicago> Quinn_Storm: nixternal says it these two bugs as well
[08:11] <Admiral_Chicago> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdeartwork/+bug/70991
[08:11] <Admiral_Chicago> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137070
[08:12] <Quinn_Storm> weird
[08:13] <nixternal> ya, all of my kubuntu >=6.10 installs bork with the big white x
[08:13] <Quinn_Storm> yeah its just not good
[08:13] <Quinn_Storm> anyhow
[08:14] <nixternal> i seen where someone said it is from disabling power, and i have one machine i haven't disabled power and it does it anyways..i would like to point the blame at guidance, but can't 100% just yet
[08:14] <Quinn_Storm> I don't know *what* to blame
[08:16] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: guidance may be it
[08:16] <Quinn_Storm> what is guidance?
[08:16] <nixternal> the new power management module for kde
[08:17] <Quinn_Storm> ah ok
[08:17] <nixternal> /kubuntu
[08:17] <Quinn_Storm> right
[08:17] <Quinn_Storm> well edgy is supposed to be...edgy
[08:17] <Jucato> kde-guidance-powermanager
[08:17] <nixternal> heh, well when you find soemthing edgy let me know ;p
[08:17] <billytwowilly> lol. holy memory leak in flash player 9 batman...
[08:17] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: where can i find kcontrol > 'display settings'?
[08:17] <Quinn_Storm> I haven't been able to make flash 9 work at all
[08:18] <Quinn_Storm> well
[08:18] <Quinn_Storm> strike that
[08:18] <Quinn_Storm> it almost works
[08:18] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: KMenu > System Settings
[08:18] <Quinn_Storm> but keeps losing control of /dev/audio (using no dsp wrapper)
[08:18] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: System Settings -> Monitor & Display
[08:18] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: or you can 'Alt+F2 > kcontrol 'Enter'
[08:18] <Admiral_Chicago> Quinn_Storm: my system doesn't play sound
[08:19] <Quinn_Storm> then why do you even need flash? :-P
[08:19] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: i'm in kcontrol but not finding display settings
[08:19] <Quinn_Storm> homestarrunner.com is the only excuse for flash...well that and youtube
[08:19] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: is it possible that you don't have kde-guidance installed?
[08:19] <nixternal> why kcontrol?
[08:19] <nixternal> why not system settings
[08:20] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: if you're in KControl, it should be under Peripherals. In System Settings, it's in the Computer Administration group
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: no i have it
[08:20] <nixternal> KControl > Peripherals > Monitor & display
[08:21] <Jucato> Alt+F2, "kcmshell diplayconfig"
[08:22] <Quinn_Storm> that is 'displayconfig'
[08:22] <Jucato> er.. sorry for the typo :)
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> "An error occured during the last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module"
[08:22] <Quinn_Storm> that's not good
[08:23] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: hm.. try this: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kde-guidance then try looking again in System Settings/KControl
[08:23] <Admiral_Chicago> actually: "the module Monitor & Dispaly could not be loaded"
[08:24] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: try reinstalling kde-guidance
[08:24] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: running now
[08:24] <Jucato> ok
[08:25] <Admiral_Chicago> do i need to start X?
[08:25] <Jucato> no
[08:25] <Jucato> check System Settings again (or KControl)
[08:25] <Admiral_Chicago> same thing
[08:26] <Jucato> still won't show up? that's strange
[08:26] <Admiral_Chicago> Possible Reasons: "An error occured during the last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module" or "You have old third party modules lying around"
[08:34] <malandrovjs> Who knows what I can do with this: /tmp/Prentice. Hall.PTR. The.Official.Ubuntu.Book.Aug.200.eBook-BBL-1.torrent could no be opened, because the associated helper application does not exist. Change the association in your preferences
[08:35] <abattoir> malandrovjs: open it with KTorrent
[08:35] <malandrovjs> OK
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=9092937ed46e7fa75222ff3431beaf07&t=285266&page=2 can you help me fix it?
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> i think this thread is a work around
[08:39] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: I'm not really sure how I can help.
[08:40] <Admiral_Chicago> dang, neither do i know
[08:40] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm not intuned to Python
[08:40] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks a ton
[08:42] <|velle|> hallo
[08:42] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: sorry
[08:44] <Admiral_Chicago> it's all good, thanks yor your help
[08:49] <nixternal> malandrovjs: the ubuntu book is also available via html at https://help.ubuntu.com
[09:01] <mastro> hello everybody
[09:01] <mastro> i've lost the link to shell in my kubuntu
[09:02] <mastro> can anyone help me?
[09:02] <mastro> i cannot run it anyway
[09:05] <velle> mastro: can you open it via /usr/bin/konsole ?
[09:06] <mastro> yes thanks a lot
[09:07] <mastro> but if i want the same link in my menu program
[09:07] <mastro> as before?
[09:07] <mastro> i don't know how it was losted
[09:08] <JackPhil> howto refresh the K-menu after i  edit the config file manullay?
[09:08] <velle> right click the KDE menu, chose Menu Editor
[09:08] <Jucato> JackPhil: kbuildsycoca --incremental (ignore the "no database" errors)
[09:08] <velle> Create a new "item" in the proper folder (before it was in System)
[09:09] <velle> mastro: and in the Command field just type: "konsole", because there is a symbolic link from konsole to /usr/bin/konsole
[09:13] <velle> mastro: have to run, hope you worked it out
[09:14] <mastro> thanks a lot velle
[09:15] <JackPhil> thanks Jucato
[09:17] <malandrovjs> I`m trying to wacht a movie but I get this Error:Totem could not play 'file:///home/londo4/Desktop/movie/Crash (2005).avi'.,,Video codec 'XviD' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies
[09:17] <malandrovjs> What can I do to make it work?
[09:31] <Admiral_Chicago> !restricted
[09:31] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:31] <Admiral_Chicago> malandrovjs: look for avi on the restricted page
[09:31] <Admiral_Chicago> good luck
[09:31] <Admiral_Chicago> night
[09:40] <kraut> could anybody please tell my, why my CRT in this config won't use 85 hz?
[09:40] <kraut> http://home.packetloss.biz/~fek/temp/xorg.conf
[09:44] <kamui|srv> Im trying to host a website on my ubuntu system, but outside connections cant connect to it even though I've forwarded ports 80 and 81 to the box, is there some kind of firewall that a standard dapper install installs?
[09:54] <teledyn__> kamui|srv: how do you know they can't connect?  did you try tcpdump?
[09:54] <blank2> hi all
[09:54] <blank2> no
[09:54] <msl> hi blank2
[09:54] <blank2> hi msl
[09:55] <kamui|srv> teledyn__: Im talking to a friend who Im trying to get to connect
[09:55] <kamui|srv> he times out
[09:55] <kamui|srv> I've also tried my HTC Universal
[09:55] <kamui|srv> it times out
[09:55] <kamui|srv> Error 502 - Bad Request
[09:55] <blank2> times out??\
[09:56] <teledyn__> kamui|srv: monitor the port on the box with tcpdump and verify no connection is coming in
[09:57] <teledyn__> kamui|srv: or use netcat
[09:58] <teledyn__> tcpdump will give better info
[10:00] <kamui|srv> damn, I don't see web traffic, only irc traffic
[10:00] <kamui|srv> so its not even getting in
[10:01] <dennister> hi ppls
[10:01] <teledyn__> kamui|srv: there you go
[10:01] <dennister> anyone know how to edit the buffer in nano?
[10:01] <kamui|srv> tnx for the time teledyn__
[10:02] <dennister> i take it some sort of buffer is pretty important for pretty well any system file you write
[10:05] <banjooie> Alright, I have killedmy X server attempting to upgrade to Edgy. Can anyone help?
[10:07] <dennister> a little out of my league, but u could try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:07] <banjooie> I've attempted that, it says xserver-xorg is broken.
[10:07] <banjooie> As I understood from kubuntu.org, I was supposed to upgrade by changing sources.list to read 'edgy' instead of 'dapper', right?
[10:08] <dennister> well, like i said: a bit out of my league, sorry...yes to ur last question banjooie
[10:09] <dennister> i've heard a lot of people say that, anyway, and very reputable sources, too
[10:09] <banjooie> Alright. I did that, then it started whining, after I updated, that kio_slave wasn't functioning. I then rebooted, thinking 'well, I've just upgraded my ENTIRE OPERATING SYSTEM, rebooting couldn't hurt. I then couldn't get back into Xserver, and it claimed that it couldn't connect, or something. Thanks for trying.
[10:09] <dennister> <--did a clean install of edgy, and is still a noob
[10:09] <banjooie> Yeah, I'm...tempted at this point to consider burning another CD. I just started, like, a month ago.
[10:10] <dennister> I'm trying to write a rules page, lol...and no lirc.rules page in the src contrib directory
[10:10] <dennister> banjooie: I would strongly suggest it, as I learned so much the second and third time
[10:11] <lilduckling> those updates don't work too well
[10:11] <banjooie> Yeah.
[10:11] <dennister> when xerver's gone...
[10:11] <banjooie> You know, I can kinda understand why linux doesn't really appeal to the mainstream sometimes. <_<
[10:11] <lilduckling> i did the same update from badger to dapper, and although i somehow got it to work, it doesn't look the same as a new dapper
[10:11] <dennister> yes...l really like the learning, and becoming a geek, but it's not for everyone
[10:12] <Jucato> !upgrade
[10:12] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:12] <dennister> hi jucato :)
[10:12] <Jucato> hi dennister :)
[10:12] <banjooie> Yeah. It's scary how non-user friendly this stuff is at times.
[10:12] <dennister> every system file u write needs a buffer, right?
[10:14] <crimsun> anyone running feisty/amd64?
[10:14] <dennister> exactly...every time you turn around its a complex learning curve to write one file
[10:14] <Lynoure> crimsun: try on #ubuntu+1 ?
[10:14] <banjooie> I think the main trouble is it doesn't actually explain anywhere what you're supposed to do with it once you get it running.
[10:14] <dennister> not me... have finally given up on 64-bit os's
[10:15] <dennister> very true, and documentation always leaves lots to be desired...like missing whole sections
[10:15] <banjooie> well, the documentation is actually pretty good
[10:15] <banjooie> it's just...written for computer literate people
[10:17] <dennister> aha! i don't have to put the src info into the buffer anyway
[10:17] <dennister> <---trying to write a udev rule
[10:18] <Jucato> O.o
[10:18] <dennister> jucato: ready to hold my hand while i write this sucker? lol
[10:18] <Jucato> I know squat about udev :P
[10:19] <dennister> it's ok...i think i'll be ok
[10:19] <Jucato> I hope you will :P
[10:19] <dennister> I was just very confused about the nano buffer...i can make one now it seems...have done it b4 apparently when I got my scanner working
[10:19] <dennister> but it was just copy and paste into a new file
[10:22] <edgy> Hi, I installed beryl and has some problems that I want now a normal kde so I removed the beryl script from  /usr/share/xsessions/ but still when I log into kde I see the beryl logo, how can I get rid of it?
[10:22] <edgy> I don't have anything on .kde/Autostart
[10:26] <dennister> <----has no experience with this beryl stuff
[10:27] <dennister> but you might want to see the login sections and session management
[10:27] <dennister> now, has anyone compiled lirc modules from source?
[10:28] <dennister> i could really use someone to look something up
[10:29] <malandrovjs> I don`t have to much hda space, I want to move some file to windows partition
[10:29] <dennister> is your ntfs partition writable? do u have ntfsprogs?
[10:29] <gemidjy> anyone/where Kaffeine 0.8.2 package for Dapper ?
[10:30] <malandrovjs> how can use ntfsprogs?
[10:30] <malandrovjs> or where can I find ntfsprogs?
[10:31] <dennister> quite frankly, I'm not sure, but I was told i needed it to be able to utilize my windows partitions
[10:31] <dennister> !ntfsprogs
[10:31] <ubotu> ntfsprogs: tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux. In component main, is optional. Version 1.12.1-1 (edgy), package size 205 kB, installed size 532 kB
[10:32] <malandrovjs> I want move some files like movies to windows partion
[10:32] <dennister> malandrovjs: download the program from synaptic or adept...then you may, after some tweaking of ur fstab, do just that
[10:33] <malandrovjs> Ok
[10:34] <dennister> bbs
[10:38] <malandrovjs> dennister: ntfsprogs in Adept is installed
[10:39] <malandrovjs> do I need also ntfstools?
[10:39] <malandrovjs> dennister::::: do I need also ntfstools?
[10:39] <dennister> ok, now go to System Settings--->Advanced--->Disks and Filesystems and sign in as administrator
[10:40] <dennister> I'm not sure about ntfstools...can't hurt...
[10:41] <malandrovjs> there is no Advanced in my system Settings
[10:42] <Jucato> Dapper or Edgy?
[10:42] <malandrovjs> Only Disk & filesystems
[10:42] <malandrovjs> Dapper
[10:42] <Jucato> ah there
[10:43] <tibbar> i can't log into edgy-desktop's normal mode i have to use safe mode can some one tell me why? (there just comes this green line on my screen)
[10:44] <malandrovjs> dennister:::<> I`m there
[10:44] <malandrovjs> I`m in administrator signin
[10:45] <dennister> ok...now select the dev and hit modify
[10:45] <malandrovjs> the windows one, or kubuntu?
[10:46] <banjooie> Alright!
[10:46] <banjooie> That's what the hell happened.
[10:46] <banjooie> Never removing my goddamn kubuntu-desktop package AGAIN
[10:46] <dennister> the windows partition...u can right-click it to get modify
[10:47] <tibbar> what is the differance between safe graphics mode and nomral?
[10:47] <banjooie> optional my beaver-buggering jesusmcpogosticking baldheaded christ on a ape-sodomizing baguette it's optional.
[10:47] <dennister> tibbar: with safe graphics mode nothing gets installed except in ram
[10:47] <malandrovjs> yes I did it but any information
[10:48] <dennister> at the very top of the new dialog box you probably see automatic, right?
[10:48] <tibbar> dennister: isn't it allways like that?
[10:48] <dennister> tibbar: i take it ur new to linux and kubuntu?
[10:48] <dennister> normal is a normal install to the harddrive
[10:48] <tibbar> dennister: not realy just new to ati
[10:49] <dennister> sorry if ur not new, tibbar
[10:50] <dennister> ohhhh...sorry, the people who don't know what safe graphics mode are are usually windows-only people
[10:50] <tibbar> dennister: ok, thats weard because in dapper i hade to use safe gfx mode or else it wouldn't start up the livecd and now it edgy both doesn't work for me
[10:50] <malandrovjs> after hit modify no nw box appear
[10:50] <tibbar> dennister:  np
[10:51] <dennister> malandrovjs: OK what do u see in the columns mount point and type?
[10:51] <dennister> or are they empty?
[10:53] <malandrovjs> mount Point is there is nothing
[10:53] <malandrovjs> they are empty
[10:54] <malandrovjs> only bij kubuntu partition there is / by mount and by type; ext3
[10:54] <dennister> ok, well u really should select the windows partition with the mouse, and right-click, select modify, and u definitely should get a dialog box
[10:54] <randler> unable to lookup **** via gethostbyname() <-- anyone who knows how to deal with this?
[10:55] <dennister> malandrovjs: u don't see another partition.drive for windows?
[10:55] <malandrovjs> I see al of them
[10:56] <bart_> danish host
[10:56] <dennister> well then, malandrovjs: one more time: select the windows partition with the mouse, and right-click, select modify, and u definitely should get a dialog box
[10:56] <malandrovjs> but I can`t get the dialog box after hitting modify on windows partition
[10:56] <malandrovjs> on linux well
[10:56] <bart_> ok
[10:57] <dennister> well then it's beyond me I'm afraid...forgotten how to edit the /etc/fstab by hand now that I have edgy installed here
[10:57] <tibbar> in dapper i hade to use safe gfx mode or else it wouldn't start up the livecd and now it edgy both doesn't work for me what can i do?
[10:57] <malandrovjs> I get the modify dialog box only on linux, on windows nothing it desn`t appear
[10:57] <gemidjy> anyone/where Kaffeine 0.8.2 package for Dapper ?
[10:57] <Admiral_Chicago> !fstab
[10:57] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file lists all drives and partitions that are mounted on the system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !partitions
[10:58] <dennister> i used to do it often in dapper, but edgy adds some things I don't understand just yet
[10:58] <gemidjy> edgy s*cks
[10:58] <gemidjy> skip it
[11:00] <Admiral_Chicago> well Edgy isn't LTS for a reason
[11:00] <tibbar> 'tibbar; ping' me if someone can solve my problem
[11:00] <seven> dennister: how can i make the win pat writeable if i get the modify box?
[11:01] <onur> can some1 help me i can't install enythink (kubuntu)
[11:01] <gemidjy> argh engrish
[11:01] <onur> who can help me
[11:02] <onur> i can't even install flashplayer
[11:02] <gemidjy> did u enable the repos in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:02] <onur> no how do i do that
[11:02] <onur> sry not that fimilior with linux
[11:02] <gemidjy> use Adept
[11:03] <gemidjy> KMenu->Add/remove software
[11:03] <gemidjy> or alt+f2 -> adept
[11:03] <onur> and then?
[11:04] <seven> dennister: sorry but i followed your ntfsprogs instructions please finnish :)
[11:04] <gemidjy> Adept -> Manage repositories
[11:05] <gemidjy> Right click on the repos (lines which begin with deb or deb-src)
[11:05] <gemidjy> and then click Enable
[11:07] <onur> u mean request install?
[11:09] <gemidjy> no, I mean Manage repositories
[11:09] <gemidjy> gone to eat
[11:09] <onur> oke
[11:10] <onur> i don't know what you mean but thx btw ^^
[11:10] <Jucato> !multiverse | onur
[11:10] <ubotu> onur: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:10] <malandrovjs> I try umount a partition but I get this: device is busy
[11:10] <onur> thx
[11:10] <apokryphos> malandrovjs: lsof /mount/point
[11:11] <Jucato> onur: once you're able to enabled/add multiverse, you will be able to install "flashplayer-nonfree"
[11:11] <randler> I'm having sudo problems, anyone?
[11:11] <Jucato> what problems?
[11:12] <malandrovjs> apokryphos::: Isof /mount/point is that a command?
[11:12] <apokryphos> malandrovjs: yes, changing /mount/point with the mount point of the busy partition
[11:13] <randler> Jucato: unable to lookup slyna via gethostbyname() whenever I try to use it in a command
[11:13] <malandrovjs> after this command I can use umount command?
[11:13] <rag> please anyone know gxmame?
[11:13] <rag> gxmame game emulator?
[11:13] <dennister> ok...ready to reboot and test the lirc. bye for now
[11:14] <Jucato> randler: when did this start happening? did you try rebooting?
[11:16] <onur> it still doesn't work
[11:20] <randler> Jucato: it don't really know exactly when, and yeah, I've rebooted, it's  being discussed in this forum --> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-78324.html
[11:20] <malandrovjs> apokryphos:;--:doesn`t work man
[11:21] <apokryphos> malandrovjs: you have a mounted partition, yes?
[11:21] <malandrovjs> yes
[11:21] <apokryphos> malandrovjs: what's the location of it?
[11:21] <malandrovjs> on /mnt/windows
[11:21] <apokryphos> malandrovjs: and you want to unmount it?
[11:21] <malandrovjs> yes
[11:22] <malandrovjs> when I try to umount a get the inf that de device is busy
[11:22] <apokryphos> malandrovjs: so lsof /mnt/windows. Find the PID, then kill -9 PID
[11:26] <thomas_> Hi, may I post a question here too, or am I disturbing a current conversation?
[11:26] <Admiral_Chicago> !ask | thomas_
[11:26] <ubotu> thomas_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:27] <thomas_> okay. I'm having a problem with evolultion 2.8.1. I don't see suport for microsoft exchange in the server type drop down?
[11:27] <Jucato> #ubuntu or #evolution (if it exists...)
[11:27] <thomas_> thanks
[11:27] <seven> how can i write on ntfs any one please
[11:28] <Lynoure> seven: is that a question?
[11:28] <seven> yes
[11:28] <seven> Lynoure: yes
[11:29] <Lynoure> seven: Are you sure you want to? Writing to NTFS is still in beta, if I remember right
[11:29] <Jucato> !ntfs-3g | seven
[11:29] <ubotu> seven: ntfs-3g is a linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Dapper installation instructions http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710
[11:29] <Jucato> !fuse | seven
[11:29] <ubotu> seven: Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[11:29] <Lynoure> seven: There are usually other ways to achieve the end goal, ways that do not take NTFS writing
[11:30] <Admiral_Chicago> seven: not safely
[11:30] <seven> thanks
[11:32] <soju815> k
[11:32] <ScarFreewill> i can't load the edgy desktop livecd please help
[11:32] <XVampireX> ScarFreewill: Make sure you burned it correctly
[11:33] <ScarFreewill> it is i can boot & install on my one pc but the other one....
[11:33] <XVampireX> ScarFreewill: That means lowest speed possible (burn at 2x/4x) + check the md5 sum before and after..
[11:33] <soju815> Hi! Is here someone who managed it to enter asian charackters via scim/skim in OOo under kubuntu? Please help, I messed around for days..
[11:34] <ScarFreewill> XVampireX i have doen that i think its gfx card related
[11:34] <XVampireX> not related to gfx card, what happens exactly, when do you get stuck?
[11:34] <Jucato> !baddevice > XVampireX
[11:35] <dalbirdy> how do I format a usb stick?
[11:36] <ScarFreewill> well u see in dapper i hade to choose gfx save mode and that was the only way i could boot it up now with edgy not one works there is just this green line over the kubuntu bar that goes from the one side to the other
[11:37] <XVampireX> ScarFreewill: alt+f1 should show you what happens during boot
[11:37] <ScarFreewill> ok i just want to the mem test to complete...
[11:41] <XVampireX> Hmm, brb
[11:42] <ScarFreewill> alt+f1 makes the bar freeze
[11:42] <ScarFreewill> kk
[11:43] <XVampireX> ScarFreewill: it should switch to a different terminal which should show you what happens during boot
[11:43] <ScarFreewill> XVampireX: how?
[11:44] <ScarFreewill> ctrl+alt+f1?
[11:44] <XVampireX> Jucato, thanks
[11:46] <XVampireX> maybe ctrl+alt+f1
[11:46] <XVampireX> I forgot :P
[11:46] <Jucato> I think that doesn't work in Edgy
[11:47] <ScarFreewill> nothing works :P
[11:47] <XVampireX> Works fine here, everything works fine here, I don't know I gotta be the luckiest person on earth, and it took me less than 5 minutes to install beryl...
[11:48] <ScarFreewill> no, im just saying here on this pc next to me nothing except the menu where you choose the option of the livecd works
[11:49] <ScarFreewill> well actualy i think every thing works but the gfx card
[11:50] <ScarFreewill> the thing is it loads up normal and shows the loading bar going the whole time but as soon as it finishes loading well at lest i think so then the screen just freezes when i press the power button it shutsdown normaly and even ejects the cd but still only shows text and no sine of the x server
[11:51] <ScarFreewill> ping, *
[11:51] <XVampireX> hehe
[11:52] <XVampireX> I don't know
[11:52] <ScarFreewill> i guess linux/mesa or whatever doesn't like ati x700
[11:52] <XVampireX> Not Linux
[11:52] <XVampireX> maybe ubuntu, but I doubt it
[11:53] <ScarFreewill> cauze i have on my pc edgy with beryl ...
[11:53] <ScarFreewill> i guess its mainly xserver/ the driver that loads on defualt
[11:54] <ScarFreewill> the same thing happens on dapper but if i use safe mode then it works but now with edgy cd the normal and safe mode does not work :P
[11:54] <XVampireX> There's no default, it should detect your hardware and load the neccessary modules
[11:55] <malandrovjs> How can I find a PID?
[11:55] <malandrovjs> to KilL it
[11:55] <XVampireX> ps aux
[11:55] <XVampireX> in console
[11:55] <XVampireX> you don't need PID, you can do: sudo killall programname
[11:56] <Jucato> Process ID
[11:57] <ScarFreewill> ok
[11:57] <malandrovjs> sudo killall programme: no process killed
[11:57] <ScarFreewill> so where can i get more support on the livecd probb? forums?
[11:58] <gnomefreak> malandrovjs: replace programme with the name of the program you want to kill
[11:58] <gnomefreak> ScarFreewill: what is the problem with it?
[11:59] <XVampireX> malandrovjs: did you read what I said or did you just copy paste it?
[11:59] <ScarFreewill> gnomefreak, i explained it quite good up there..
[11:59] <XVampireX> programname = the name of the program you want to kill
[11:59] <gnomefreak> ScarFreewill: i just got here
[11:59] <malandrovjs> gnomefreak> I want to umount a partition, but it says umount device is busy
[11:59] <ScarFreewill> gnomefreak, funny didn't se u logg....
[11:59] <malandrovjs> read it
[12:00] <gnomefreak> 05:55 -!- gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak]  has joined #kubuntu
[12:00] <XVampireX> yeah
[12:00] <malandrovjs> I have to specify the programme?
[12:00] <ScarFreewill> gnomefreak how do u do that
[12:00] <XVampireX> malandrovjs: What do you think?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> ScarFreewill: scrolled to the top of my screen and pasted it
[12:01] <gnomefreak> malandrovjs: yes
[12:01] <ScarFreewill> gnomefreak; lol, the thing is i had dapper and i hade to use safe mode or it would not load x now with edgy now one of the 2 options works
[12:01] <gnomefreak> malandrovjs: what app is using the device that you want to umount?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> one == none?
[12:02] <gnomefreak> ScarFreewill: what video card?
[12:02] <MidMark> hi guys, want to say to all people that has a canon pixma ip4200 that these packages works with Edgy
[12:02] <MidMark> http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/
[12:02] <gnomefreak> oh nvm live cd :(
[12:02] <ScarFreewill> gnomefreak; ati x700
[12:03] <MidMark> and there also a lot of other printers from Canon and Epson supported
[12:03] <malandrovjs> becouse I can`t modify the partition
[12:03] <malandrovjs> I want to use onother instruction to mount it and edit
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[12:04] <gnomefreak> ScarFreewill: most of time the livecd needs the xserver-xorg-video-ati and i dont think it has those drivers as default. so you are not gonna beable to boot it in gui form or at all (using livecd
[12:04] <XVampireX> gnomefreak: You shouldn't have told him/her sometimes a person should think for a moment, especially on something so trivial.
[12:04] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: i have learned not to let people think too much as it does nothing but nite me after a while ;)
[12:05] <ScarFreewill> gnomefreak: i could maybe do that but what happens if i installed edgy successfully and it still doesn't loadup x? or would it load xserver-xorg-video-ati when not useing the livecd?
[12:06] <gnomefreak> malandrovjs: you want to un mount a partition and just re mount it in a different way?
[12:06] <ScarFreewill> gnomefreak: or is there only one way to find out
[12:06] <malandrovjs> you know think to mch, I tryed so many commmad and I did not came out of there that why I` asking
[12:06] <gnomefreak> ScarFreewill: it should load the video-ati after installing. it was fixed so it should load them
[12:06] <malandrovjs> yes
[12:07] <ScarFreewill> gnomefreak: so how would i install without gui?
[12:07] <gnomefreak> ScarFreewill: if not failsafe is to set drivers to vesa untill you get it working
[12:07] <gnomefreak> ScarFreewill: alternate cd :)
[12:07] <malandrovjs> becouse I want move some file from my linux partiton to windows partition
[12:07] <ScarFreewill> gnomefreak: :(
[12:07] <gnomefreak> malandrovjs: ntfs or fat?
[12:07] <ScarFreewill> gnomefreak: do i need to download it?
[12:07] <malandrovjs> things like film, music
[12:08] <malandrovjs> ntfs
[12:08] <gnomefreak> ScarFreewill: yep
[12:08] <gnomefreak> malandrovjs: dont write tto ntfs
[12:08] <malandrovjs> also music?
[12:08] <sinkeri> rightio
[12:08] <gnomefreak> to move stuff from linux --> windows make a fat partition
[12:09] <ScarFreewill> gnomefreak: well this is my brother's pc and i am not going to all that for him he should just then contenu to dapper :P
[12:09] <gnomefreak> malandrovjs: dont write anything to ntfs from linux its unsafe and not supported you can lose everything
[12:09] <malandrovjs> becouse my linux partition is full, there is no more space
[12:09] <gnomefreak> ScarFreewill: dapper --> edgy upgrade works well
[12:09] <malandrovjs> Ok
[12:09] <XVampireX> windows
[12:09] <gnomefreak> malandrovjs: make a fat one than linux-->fat-->ntfs
[12:09] <sinkeri> how do i join another channel?
[12:10] <gnomefreak> sinkeri: /j #channel
[12:10] <ScarFreewill> gnomefreak: i guess i can try that, but just wondering if this will be fixed in newer ubutnu versions
[12:10] <brtjohns> hi guys i have a toshiba laptop a100 with atheros wirless built in, my windows works fine on wirelss but the linux side on kubunt6.06lts wont detect the card
[12:10] <gnomefreak> ScarFreewill: should be in feisty. edgy was too short of a release for all issues to be worked out
[12:11] <malandrovjs> can I delete 1  partition on windows and later make it on linux?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> ScarFreewill: i will be talking to the livecd guys in the next few weeks about other things and i will see if there is a way around it
[12:11] <ScarFreewill> gnomefreak: thx allot
[12:11] <gnomefreak> malandrovjs: can delete anything you like but be careful as you delete the wrong partition and poof you no longer can boot
[12:12] <malandrovjs> ok, I wil do that on Windows
[12:12] <gnomefreak> brb
[12:13] <malandrovjs> but I don`t know if is possible to make a extend partition on linux with free space/
[12:13] <malandrovjs> ?
[12:13] <Admiral_Chicago> !wireless | brtjohns
[12:13] <ubotu> brtjohns: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:14] <malandrovjs> or to add the free space on linux!!!?
[12:14] <malandrovjs> >>>genomefreak>>>
[12:18] <weenweee> need help with firefox
[12:19] <ScarFreewill> whats wrong
[12:19] <weenweee> worked all day now it doesn
[12:19] <weenweee> doesn't start
[12:19] <weenweee> all i get is a white window for a second and than it chrashes
[12:20] <weenweee> i removed firefox already and installed new but the same thing happens
[12:21] <ScarFreewill> i don't know if you want to try re-naming ur ./mozilla dir to ./mozilla1...
[12:21] <Admiral_Chicago> weenweee: how did you install it
[12:22] <weenweee> apt-get
[12:22] <weenweee> firefox in console gives me this
[12:22] <weenweee> (Gecko:4992): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_parent_window: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
[12:22] <weenweee> (Gecko:4992): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_is_viewable: assertion `window != NULL' failed
[12:22] <weenweee> (Gecko:4992): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_parent: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
[12:22] <weenweee> Segmentation fault
[12:27] <ScarFreewill> oms dapper's livecd doesn't work now :P
[12:28] <eeos> hi there
[12:28] <eeos> any suggestion for a good backupping tool?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> !backup
[12:28] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi
[12:31] <ScarFreewill> !bootusb
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bootusb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:32] <ScarFreewill> anyone know a disto that can let me boot via usb?
[12:32] <eeos> ta!
[12:34] <ScarFreewill> how do i log in safe mode on dapper
[12:35] <ScarFreewill> !safemode
[12:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about safemode - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:38] <ScarFreewill> whats the command to start xserver/kde/gui?
[12:39] <gnomefreak> ScarFreewill: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[12:40] <ScarFreewill> it says allready running :P how do i kill it
[12:40] <gnomefreak> replace start with stop :)
[12:40] <ScarFreewill> cool we have gui!
[12:45] <nino> ScarFreewill PCLinuxOS will boot from usb link =>http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2006/09/19/all-in-one-usb-pclinuxos-minimezip/
[12:45] <ScarFreewill> nino, thx
[12:51] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: I've been having some problems... Do you know hoe to upgrade to edgy without the cd?
[12:53] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: it may not go very smooth. You might be better off dl'ing the CD so at least if you end up with a broken system you'll have CD to fall back on for fresh install.
[12:53] <LeeJunFan> !upgrade
[12:53] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[12:54] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: If I run the live cd it freezes after a few minutes
[12:55] <mike_> frostwire is said to be behind a firewall?
[12:57] <tibbar> gnomefreak: why is it unsafe to upgrade dapper to edgy?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> tibbar: i didnt say it was
[12:58] <tibbar> gnomefreak: freewill my bro said so, didn't you tell him that?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> tibbar: nope
[12:59] <gnomefreak> dapper--> edgy ==fine
[12:59] <gnomefreak> i told him that the xserver-xorg-video-* was fixed so upgrade should be fine
[12:59] <ScarFreewill> nino: ping
[12:59] <nino> reply
[01:00] <tibbar> gnomefreak: cool then I should get started... But with a 64kb/s connection it can take a while
[01:00] <ScarFreewill> nino: so how do i use that http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2006/09/19/all-in-one-usb-pclinuxos-minimezip/ via linux
[01:00] <gnomefreak> tibbar: yes
[01:00] <tibbar> ScarFreewill: hos
[01:01] <tibbar> bb im upgrading to edgy
[01:01] <ScarFreewill> nino: because it wants me to download teh exe..s
[01:01] <nino> ScarFreewill Download the USBMMFULL.zip
[01:02] <ScarFreewill> !upgrade
[01:02] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[01:02] <wiking> how to enable/configure openal
[01:02] <nino> ScarFreewill Go here http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pendrivelinux/USBMMFULL.zip?download
[01:02] <ScarFreewill> nino: kk
[01:02] <LeeJunFan> ouch 64K, he'd be better off getting someone to mail him a DVD.
[01:03] <ScarFreewill> nino: its 300mb lol
[01:03] <ScarFreewill> LeeJunFan: i am shairing it with him
[01:04] <nino> ScarFreewill yes its a complete linux system for usb!!
[01:04] <[GuS] > Bonjour les gens...
[01:04] <ScarFreewill> nino: kk thx btw do i just extract it on the usb disk or what?
[01:05] <popisdead> salut les kubuntus :)
[01:05] <nino> ScarFreewill yes and there is a file "makeboot" or something you run to make bootable on the usb
[01:05] <nino> ScarFreewill execute the makeboot file on the use!!
[01:05] <nino> usb!!
[01:06] <ScarFreewill> nino: yeah i read that..
[01:06] <ScarFreewill> nino: do you know if makeboot is a exe?
[01:06] <nino> yes it is
[01:06] <nino> ScarFreewill u dont have windows on some machine?
[01:07] <ScarFreewill> nino: yes i do i was just wondering
[01:07] <nino> ScarFreewill can your sys boot usb?
[01:07] <ScarFreewill> nino: never tested but i have nforce4 so i guess si
[01:08] <ScarFreewill> *so
[01:08] <nino> ScarFreewill yea that would do!!
[01:09] <ScarFreewill> nino: just need to go buy a 512mb flash disk :)
[01:09] <nino> ScarFreewill cool
[01:09] <JackPhil> where is the definition of menu categories?
[01:10] <tobias_> How do I like delete old things in /media/ ?
[01:11] <tobias_> I got an old hd
[01:11] <tobias_> that is no longer there
[01:11] <octan> rm -f /media/oldfile
[01:11] <octan> oh remove a dir
[01:11] <tobias_> and for some reason it is messing with my new portable hd
[01:11] <octan> rm -rf /media/dir-to-dlete
[01:12] <tobias_> it wont come back next time I reboot?
[01:12] <octan> no
[01:12] <tobias_> thanx
[01:12] <octan> it should not
[01:13] <tobias_> weee
[01:13] <tobias_> they are gone!
[01:13] <tobias_> do you know how to make my portable hd mount itself?
[01:14] <octan> tobias_, yes.. make a script to do that
[01:14] <tobias_> it used to mount itself but then a friend came and helped me so it stopped mounting itself
[01:14] <octan> i know how to but im not spendinf my time writing a script for you :)
[01:14] <tobias_> octan: how do I do that?
[01:15] <octan> is it usb or firewire disk?
[01:15] <tobias_> usb
[01:15] <rag> anyone use gxmame, machine game emulator ?
[01:15] <tobias_> hehe
[01:15] <tobias_> :)
[01:16] <octan> :)
[01:17] <rag> please :)
[01:18] <tobias_> hmmm
[01:18] <tobias_> octan: I think I deleted the usb disk
[01:18] <rag> other thing one computer with kubuntu edgy dont start x, only if i press ctrl+alt+f1 and again ctrl+alt+f7 it works , anyone know it?
[01:18] <tobias_> octan: how do I make it work now?
[01:18] <octan> tobias_, LOL
[01:18] <tobias_> ;)
[01:19] <octan> well you asked howto delete file and i told ya how to :P
[01:19] <tobias_> octan: how do I make a directory? :)
[01:20] <tobias_> octan: or is that what I need to do now?
[01:20] <octan> mkdir /media/yourdir
[01:20] <octan> ?
[01:20] <tobias_> mkdir /media/sda1
[01:20] <tobias_> oki!
[01:20] <tobias_> thanks :)
[01:21] <tobias_> when I try to mount it it says wrong fs type or something
[01:21] <tobias_> bad superblock
[01:21] <tobias_> or god is angry at me
[01:21] <tobias_> :)
[01:22] <tobias_> I got no response for either
[01:22] <octan> mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 is what you do right?
[01:22] <tobias_> ow
[01:22] <tobias_> octan: i write "sudo mount sda1"
[01:22] <octan> but it should already be mounted
[01:22] <octan> check with df
[01:22] <octan> type df
[01:23] <octan> on cli to see mounted disks
[01:23] <tobias_> its not there
[01:23] <octan> ok
[01:23] <tobias_> when it tries to mount it says it doesnt have the rights
[01:23] <octan> sudo
[01:23] <tobias_> it does try to mount it automatically though
[01:23] <tobias_> I write sudo in front
[01:23] <tobias_> :)
[01:24] <tobias_> now it works!
[01:24] <tobias_> with your command "mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1"
[01:24] <tobias_> thanx
[01:24] <octan> !automount
[01:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:24] <octan> hah
[01:24] <tobias_> lol
[01:24] <octan> tobias_, ok
[01:25] <tobias_> !mount
[01:25] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[01:25] <tobias_> !kmount
[01:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:25] <octan> stupid bot :P
[01:25] <tobias_> they need to make a program called kmount
[01:25] <tobias_> hehe
[01:25] <Quinn_Storm> system->administration->disks does not exist on edgy+
[01:25] <tobias_> thanx for the help, Im going to drink coffee in the living room now, have a nice day octan :)
[01:26] <octan> you too
[01:26] <balder> how i can configure the programs that launch with the system start?
[01:31] <octan> balder, hu? you want programs to start when you loginto kde?
[01:32] <balder> yes
[01:32] <octan> ok
[01:32] <octan> make a script that has the names of the apps
[01:32] <octan> and put it in ~/.kde/Autostart/
[01:33] <octan> ex: echo "exec firefox" >  ~/.kde/Autostart/firefox.sh && chmod 755 ~/.kde/Autostart/firefox.sh
[01:33] <balder> ok
[01:33] <balder> thank you
[01:33] <octan> that will start up firefox each time you log into kde
[01:33] <octan> np
[01:39] <Jucato> (or just drag-drop-link the apps int the ~/.kde/Autostart folder...)
[01:39] <octan> that might work to.. :) havent tryed that hehe
[01:42] <ypsila> hello together
[02:03] <JackPhil> my katapult can't launch
[02:03] <JackPhil> crash always
[02:04] <Kabal> so.. will I be sued by M$ using Kubuntu?  :)
[02:05] <JackPhil> is it a bug?
[02:14] <Th3_Cr0up13R> Kabal:  do you work for M$ ?
[02:21] <xsacha> hmmm "Windows Vista comes with 19,500 drivers on DVD"
[02:22] <octan> who cares :P
[02:23] <Tm_T_> xsacha: Does that mean they ship drivers once and all upgrading will be done by user in usual way? (hunting packages from net etc)
[02:23] <Jucato> when all you need are 2-5 drivers.. or maybe even just 1 :P
[02:23] <Tm_T_> Hmm, why I have this stupid nick...
[02:23] <mhterres> Riddell: Hi
[02:23] <Jucato> "it's like ten thousand spoons, when all you need is a knife..."
[02:24] <hazard_> Anyone know where I could look for info on how to setup an ATI AIW to work under linux?
[02:24] <Tm_T> Ah, better.
[02:24] <octan> install vista when it comes out,, and your owned,. they own all the data you store on ther os
[02:25] <xsacha> that means it is going to be over 2 gig Tm_T_ and yes, you wont want the drivers it comes with :)
[02:25] <Tm_T> What a waste of storage space that is.
[02:26] <Riddell> hi mhterres
[02:26] <mhterres> Riddell: let me know when you have time to talk about FISL
[02:27] <Riddell> mhterres: whenever you want
[02:28] <bitzero> im trying to install sylpheed, but it asks for  libdb4.4 but libdb4.3 is installed , i couldnt find libdb4.4, any ideia ?
[02:30] <hazard_> maybe it just can't find the headers?
[02:30] <hazard_> Or maybe you have to go to unstable/a larger package repository?
[02:30] <hazard_> You could also look online to see if such a package exsists.
[02:31] <hazard_> I had to to find where to get avahi-deamon
[02:33] <bitzero> hazard_: that was 4 me ?
[02:34] <hazard_> yes
[02:35] <hazard_> later
[02:35] <hazard_> goodluck bitzero
[02:40] <dhq> i need grafx drivers for my laptop the one i am using doesnt work
[02:41] <castags__> New to Linux, do i need to install nvidia drivers for my graphics card?
[02:42] <Bubba_Gump> castags__: yup
[02:42] <Bubba_Gump> !nvidia
[02:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:43] <castags__> thanks
[02:45] <defrysk> castags__, if you have a tnt nvidia card select legacy
[02:46] <Th3_Cr0up13R> hey guys what would be a tool to create gantt charts in ubuntu
[02:46] <Th3_Cr0up13R> ?
[02:46] <Th3_Cr0up13R> cos in adept i cannot find any ?
[02:48] <defrysk> Th3_Cr0up13R, libkgantt0 and planner
[02:48] <Lynoure> Th3_Cr0up13R: actually, I could not find a tool I liked a year ago and went for a commercial one. Try planner first, though.
[02:48] <defrysk> and also opensched
[02:49] <Jucato> Th3_Cr0up13R: kplato, too I think
[02:51] <Th3_Cr0up13R> looks like libkgantt0 is a library not an actual program
[02:51] <grimweb> I've got a technical Question I think
[02:51] <defrysk> Th3_Cr0up13R, true
[02:51] <grimweb> I can run X as user, but not log in as user
[02:51] <grimweb> in KDE
[02:52] <grimweb> however, as user Root there seem to be no problems
[02:52] <defrysk> Th3_Cr0up13R, I did "apt-cache search gantt"  and got some results including that library
[02:52] <[GuS] > grimweb, use sudo....
[02:52] <grimweb> for strating kde?
[02:52] <grimweb> starting*
[02:52] <[GuS] > where you cant login?
[02:52] <defrysk> Th3_Cr0up13R, apt-cache search <whatever> can be very helpfull
[02:52] <[GuS] > inside KDM? or startx?
[02:52] <grimweb> from Xlogin
[02:53] <grimweb> startx breaks down
[02:53] <[GuS] > and logs?
[02:53] <grimweb> and KDM just sends me back to KDM
[02:53] <[GuS] > then you need to read /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:53] <defrysk> its sudo kdm
[02:53] <grimweb> 2 seconds... there not usefull to me , but I'll look them up
[02:53] <Th3_Cr0up13R> defrysk: yep looks like it shows lots of stuff what they are
[02:53] <Kabal> Th3_Cr0up13R: nope :)
[02:53] <Jucato> Th3_Cr0up13R: have you tried KPlato?
[02:54] <Jucato> !kplato | Th3_Cr0up13R
[02:54] <ubotu> kplato: an integrated project management and planning tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 822 kB, installed size 2708 kB
[02:54] <[GuS] > look there grimweb for more infor about the problem,,,
[02:54] <shadowhywind> Anyone know how to recover ISO files that were accidently deleted
[02:54] <defrysk> shadowhywind, rm is very powerful
[02:54] <defrysk> shadowhywind, or is it in the basket ?
[02:55] <Th3_Cr0up13R> Jucato: im trying it now it looks good
[02:55] <shadowhywind> nope, i did a shift-delete on them. hehe
[02:55] <Jucato> sorry, say bye-bye to it :)
[02:55] <defrysk> shadowhywind, ouch
[02:55] <defrysk> gone 4 ever
[02:55] <grimweb> started after a Google-Earth install btw
[02:55] <Th3_Cr0up13R> but i got something else aparently is unnamed and has staff already written like the dates and the stuff that i need to put in
[02:56] <shadowhywind> its not a big thing if i don't get them back, just a pain to re-rip 5 cds. No recovery programs that would find them?
[02:56] <defrysk> shadowhywind, in *nux gone is gone
[02:57] <grimweb> starting "sudo konqueror" seems not to work on the livecd
[02:57] <Jucato> grimweb: try kdesu konqueror
[02:57] <grimweb> thanks
[02:58] <grimweb> just switched to kubuntu
[02:58] <grimweb> [GuS] :
[02:58] <grimweb> Xsession: X session started for grimweb at di nov 21 14:40:28 CET 2006
[02:58] <grimweb> open: Permission denied
[02:58] <grimweb> Xsession: X session started for grimweb at di nov 21 14:45:07 CET 2006
[02:58] <grimweb> open: Permission denied
[02:58] <defrysk> hoho
[02:59] <defrysk> no pasting please
[02:59] <defrysk> !paste
[02:59] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:59] <grimweb> sorry
[02:59] <defrysk> thats ok
[02:59] <defrysk> next time use pastebin or be more brief
[03:00] <grimweb> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33108/
[03:00] <grimweb> like that?
[03:01] <cej> some body talk in spanish
[03:01] <defrysk> yes , thats about it :)
[03:01] <defrysk> !es
[03:01] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:01] <cej> gracias
[03:01] <grimweb> thanks
[03:02] <grimweb> anybody know the solution to the problem I'm facing with strating KDE? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33109/
[03:09] <grimweb> found this as well btw: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33110/
[03:10] <grimweb> seems to be something with /dev/wacom, what's that?
[03:11] <Dink> DaSkreech, looks like the devs of fluxbuntu will work on an image for ps3..... First step of any ubuntu distro support for ps3
[03:12] <amar> can anyone help me with boot prompt commands
[03:12] <amar> i want to disable auto hw detect
[03:15] <foxhound31> keep getting unable to load nvidia kernel driver
[03:16] <foxhound31> is there a bug to do with nvidia
[03:16] <foxhound31> need to find out cos if so i'll get another distro
[03:16] <hastesaver> !nvidia
[03:16] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:16] <foxhound31> yeah done that
[03:17] <foxhound31> but i seen other forums many people have this problem
[03:17] <foxhound31> not just me
[03:18] <foxhound31> hatesaver have you got nvidia drivers running
[03:18] <hastesaver> I don't have an nvidia card, but IMO, it's a problem with nvidia. It's a binary-only driver, so may not always work. Not just on Ubuntu, on other distros either. But I don't know :-)
[03:18] <foxhound31> ok hatesaver
[03:18] <foxhound31> i have tried everything i can think of to make it work
[03:19] <grimweb> isn't nvidia install like "apt-get install nvidia-glx"?
[03:19] <foxhound31> absoutley
[03:19] <foxhound31> and it absolutley doesnt work
[03:19] <foxhound31> cos kernel driver wont load
[03:20] <grimweb> hmm...the install does not work, or is it not configured after?
[03:20] <foxhound31> in the xorg.conf
[03:20] <foxhound31> its not configed after
[03:20] <foxhound31> in xorg if you change nv to nvidia
[03:20] <foxhound31> x wont start
[03:20] <foxhound31> by the way in the list of modules
[03:20] <Jucato> in Edgy: "sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic nvidia-glx" then "sudo nvidia-xconfig" then restart X
[03:21] <foxhound31> to load
[03:21] <grimweb> in kde -> try "system settings">"Monitor&Display">"hardware"
[03:21] <foxhound31> i see glx but there is no nvidia specifically named module is that correct?
[03:21] <grimweb> foxhound... if you try to start X from cl, do you get "/dev/wacom" in your errors?
[03:22] <foxhound31> i have seen wacom yes
[03:22] <grimweb> I get that error as well
[03:22] <grimweb> but I can't even start with the vesa driver
[03:22] <foxhound31> but shouldnt there be a specifically named nvidia module in the list of modules to load?
[03:23] <grimweb> the Nvidia driver works when I am in SU, sudo or root account though
[03:23] <foxhound31> you are supposed to modprobe to load module nvidia
[03:23] <foxhound31> in some guides on how to do this
[03:23] <LeeJunFan> yes, it should read driver "nvidia" not driver "vesa"
[03:23] <LeeJunFan> !nvidia
[03:23] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:24] <LeeJunFan> Don't worry about the wacom errors, they are just informative warnings. It doesn't interfere with X starting.
[03:24] <grimweb>  <grimweb> in kde -> try "system settings">"Monitor&Display">"hardware"<"vesa" -> you can change the vesa bit in "Administrator mode" via the "configure button"
[03:24] <foxhound31> yeah but about my question on modules being loaded
[03:24] <foxhound31> anyone got an answer to that
[03:25] <grimweb> it did automatically with me
[03:25] <foxhound31> modules loaded in the xorg.conf
[03:25] <grimweb> but i dunno, I'm no ubuntu expert, always used suse before, trying to fugure this thing out myself
[03:25] <foxhound31> xorg.conf does not show a nvidia module
[03:25] <LeeJunFan> foxhound31: did you install nvidia from ubuntu or nvidia's binary drivers from their site?
[03:25] <foxhound31>  leejun
[03:26] <foxhound31> yeas i did
[03:26] <foxhound31> yes i did
[03:26] <LeeJunFan> which?
[03:26] <foxhound31> ubuntu
[03:26] <foxhound31> through adept
[03:26] <foxhound31> but i have tried all ways nothing works
[03:27] <foxhound31> has anyone got a copt of their working nvidia xorg.conf so i can check which modules are loaded
[03:28] <foxhound31> copy
[03:28] <grimweb> found the following ip online: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=445456
[03:28] <grimweb> tip*
[03:31] <crube> So does anyone know if there's a way to hide the <nick> left/joined/ messages in Konversation?
[03:32] <foxhound31> well that tells me that there isnt a specifically named nvidia module
[03:32] <foxhound31> i assume the nvidia module is loaded as glx
[03:33] <Jucato> crube: Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Behaviour -> Chat Window -> Hide Join/Part/Nick events
[03:33] <foxhound31> what i dont understand is why if you load it manually you use nvidia
[03:33] <LeeJunFan> crube: settings -> configure kopete -> behaviour -> chat window -> hide join/part nick events
[03:33] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: bastard!
[03:33] <LeeJunFan> :)
[03:33] <Jucato> lol
[03:34] <foxhound31> maybe i could try put the module nvidia in the modules to load list and see what happens
[03:34] <crube> How did I miss that! I've been trying to find it several times. Maybe i'm just blind. Anyway thanks LeeJunFan and Jucato
[03:34] <Jucato> foxhound31: have you installed linux-restricted-modules? have you run "sudo nvidia-xconfig"?
[03:35] <LeeJunFan> foxhound31: the nvidia module is loaded by specifying driver "nvidia" in that section, except the kernel module, if you want to ensure the kernel module is loaded place it in the file /etc/modules
[03:35] <foxhound31> yeah jucato
[03:35] <Jucato> restarted X?
[03:35] <foxhound31> leejunfan
[03:35] <foxhound31> in myxorg.conf
[03:35] <foxhound31> ther is no nvidia module listed
[03:35] <foxhound31> only glx
[03:36] <foxhound31> so maybe that is why is doesnt work
[03:36] <LeeJunFan> crap, I just lost power.. Good thing I have all my network connection on UPS.
[03:36] <defrysk> foxhound31, does sudo nvidia-xconfig have any output  ?
[03:36] <foxhound31> yeah
[03:37] <foxhound31> it just changes nv to nvidia though doesnt do anything else
[03:37] <defrysk> foxhound31, have you restarted kdm ?
[03:37] <defrysk> or x ?
[03:37] <foxhound31> yeah i have tried most things
[03:37] <defrysk> foxhound31, how did you restart kdm ?
[03:38] <foxhound31> defysk
[03:38] <foxhound31> yeah i have
[03:38] <foxhound31> but if you put nvidia
[03:38] <foxhound31> in the xorg,conf
[03:38] <foxhound31> x wont start
[03:38] <defrysk> foxhound31, nv driver was still in xorg.conf ?
[03:39] <foxhound31> no it was changed to nvidia but then x would not start
[03:39] <defrysk> foxhound31, did you install nvidia richt after a fresh install without rebooting ?
[03:39] <defrysk> right*
[03:39] <grimweb> I've commented the wacom bits in xorg.conf, I'm trying again... I'll be back
[03:39] <foxhound31> defrysk yea
[03:39] <defrysk> foxhound31, reboot
[03:39] <foxhound31> defrysk do you have nvidia
[03:39] <defrysk> foxhound31, reboot
[03:39] <defrysk> you need to reboot
[03:39] <foxhound31> done that
[03:39] <defrysk> still no go ?
[03:40] <foxhound31> all of it last night here cos all of that did not work
[03:40] <defrysk> then you need nvidia-legacy
[03:40] <defrysk> foxhound31,  then you need nvidia-legacy
[03:40] <defrysk> you have an old card right ?
[03:40] <foxhound31> will try legacy
[03:40] <defrysk> good
[03:40] <scarfreewill> ping, LeeJunFan
[03:40] <foxhound31> no i dont got a fx5200
[03:40] <foxhound31> should work
[03:40] <foxhound31> defrysk
[03:40] <defrysk> foxhound31, should work fine
[03:40] <foxhound31> have you got nvidia
[03:40] <defrysk> how did you install nvidia ?
[03:41] <foxhound31> adept
[03:41] <defrysk> installed nvidia-glx ?
[03:41] <foxhound31> defrysk have you got nvidia installed and working
[03:41] <defrysk> of course I do
[03:41] <defrysk> ;)
[03:41] <foxhound31> installed nvidia-glx
[03:41] <foxhound31> right in the modules section of xorg.conf
[03:41] <LeeJunFan> scarfreewill: yeah, I'm here. making sure servers in town didn't get knocked out by brownout.
[03:41] <defrysk> foxhound31, pastebin your xorg.conf
[03:42] <foxhound31> no please post yours cos yours works
[03:42] <defrysk> no
[03:42] <foxhound31> i need to see one that works
[03:42] <defrysk> pastebin yours
[03:42] <scarfreewill> LeeJunFan: you know tibbar is updating is dapper to edgy...
[03:42] <foxhound31> we all no mine doesnt
[03:42] <LeeJunFan> wow my mailserver has been up 218 days. I didn't even think I installed it that long ago.
[03:42] <LeeJunFan> scarfreewill: yeah.
[03:43] <scarfreewill> LeeJunFan: that pritty long, now i was wondering i have edgy can i load up my pkgs in his /var/apt/cache/... and then i doesn't have to dl  t
[03:43] <foxhound31> whats the address for pastebin again
[03:43] <scarfreewill> LeeJunFan: *download it
[03:43] <defrysk> foxhound31, see topic
[03:44] <defrysk> !paste
[03:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:44] <defrysk> !coffee
[03:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about coffee - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:44] <defrysk> I'll get my own then
[03:44] <crube> Haha :D
[03:44] <LeeJunFan> scarfreewill: if you have your .debs to upload it should help keep the # he has to download to a minimum.
[03:45] <crube> !wmv
[03:45] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:45] <crube> If I own a copy of Windows XP, am I not allowed to use wmv codecs for example - Not that I'd really care.
[03:46] <foxhound31> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33114/
[03:46] <foxhound31> defrysk ther it is
[03:46] <scarfreewill> LeeJunFan: well he doens't have some much other pkgs installed so ok and btw its 6% :P
[03:46] <defrysk> foxhound31, a sec
[03:46] <steff> anyone who nows how to deal with latex?
[03:46] <foxhound31> is i have nvidia instead of nv x wont start
[03:46] <foxhound31> defrysk check the modules section and yell me if anything is missing
[03:47] <LeeJunFan> scarfreewill: there was someone on here one day doing just that, I wish I could remember how she was doing it. She had a nice setup for just that purpose between hers and her husbands computer.
[03:48] <scarfreewill> LeeJunFan:  i need need to do that too ;) wonder what protocall they used?
[03:48] <LeeJunFan> scarfreewill: she was making her own mini repository, and I can't remember the command to build the packages files was used.
[03:49] <m_tadeu> hello
[03:49] <LeeJunFan> scarfreewill: I have a full mirror here of edgy and feisty on my external HD which I make with debmirror, so I can update my local machines from my own repository.
[03:49] <XVampireX> LeeJunFan: So you do martial arts?
[03:50] <LeeJunFan> XVampireX: yep.
[03:50] <XVampireX> LeeJunFan: PM? :P
[03:50] <defrysk> foxhound31, I see nothing wrong with it except for perhaps your monitor
[03:50] <LeeJunFan> XVampireX: PM ?
[03:50] <defrysk> foxhound31, do you have the specs of your monitor ?
[03:50] <m_tadeu> I'm unable to control sound through the keyboard, dispite the sound keys are correctly configured
[03:51] <m_tadeu> the mute key is ok but increase/decrease volume are not working
[03:51] <foxhound31> defrysk
[03:51] <scarfreewill> LeeJunFan: gona reboot quikly to give tibbar my file, btw allot of the pkg are on the cd hey? so hou would i get them to his pc?
[03:52] <foxhound31> i think there is a problem with the kernel module which is preventing the driver from then loading
[03:52] <foxhound31> module doesnt work so driver wont load
[03:52] <foxhound31> thats the problem
[03:53] <defrysk> foxhound31, if you think that the prob....
[03:53] <defrysk> foxhound31, lsmod | grep nv
[03:53] <defrysk> what do you see ?
[03:55] <foxhound31> nothing
[03:55] <defrysk> nothing ??
[03:55] <foxhound31> command returns nothing
[03:55] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: im restarted now, how does freewill give me the Edgy pakages?
[03:55] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: you could setup a repository for the CD so it will get what files it can from the CD.
[03:56] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: ok how?
[03:56] <defrysk> foxhound31, do sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:56] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: as for the packages freewill has I think just copying them to your cache dir might do it.
[03:57] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: to add the CD repository check apt-cdrom man apt-cdrom maybe. I've never used it myself.
[03:57] <foxhound31> defrysk done
[03:57] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: I'll copy it into my chache
[03:57] <defrysk> what happpened foxhound31 ? did it install anything ?
[03:58] <foxhound31> nothing
[03:58] <foxhound31> cos its already installed
[03:58] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: must I paste his pakages into /var/cache/apt/archives?
[03:58] <defrysk> foxhound31, do sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx --reinstall
[03:59] <foxhound31> my kernel is is 17.10
[03:59] <foxhound31> but its kernel module is for 6.1
[03:59] <foxhound31> thats why it doesnt work i think
[04:00] <defrysk> why did you not tell that right away ?
[04:00] <defrysk> geez
[04:00] <foxhound31> cos i just figure it out now
[04:00] <foxhound31> so you were a help
[04:00] <Bubba_Gump> !amule
[04:00] <defrysk> how did you get that stuff messed up ?
[04:00] <ubotu> amule: client for the eD2k and Kad networks, like eMule. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.3-1 (edgy), package size 1239 kB, installed size 3368 kB
[04:00] <foxhound31> least we worked that out
[04:00] <defrysk> foxhound31, you are on dapper ?
[04:01] <foxhound31> 6.10
[04:01] <defrysk> did you upgrade or a fresh install ?
[04:01] <foxhound31> situation resolve doesnt work cos of wrong kernel module version
[04:01] <defrysk> did you upgrade or a fresh install ?
[04:02] <foxhound31> fresh
[04:02] <grimweb> ok, that was not a good idea, not X-startup at all anymore
[04:02] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: must I paste freewill's Edgy pakages into /var/cache/apt/archives?
[04:02] <defrysk> foxhound31, where did you get the nevidia-glx repo from ?
[04:02] <defrysk> nvidia*
[04:02] <foxhound31> adept
[04:02] <defrysk> no in your sources.list
[04:03] <defrysk> foxhound31, and did you run a dist-upgrade after install ?
[04:03] <foxhound31> defrysk thank you i have to go now but very grateful cos i know what is wrong now your a star pal
[04:03] <defrysk> :/
[04:03] <foxhound31> defrysk gonna be late for work so i'm going thank once again
[04:03] <defrysk> k , bye
[04:03] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: how are you going to transfer them between machines?
[04:04] <foxhound31> hope you dont think i dont appreciate your help i really do
[04:04] <litropy> hey, guys - does anyone know a xgl mirror whose scripts are pointing in the right direction?
[04:04] <litropy> for ppc?
[04:05] <LjL> !xgl
[04:05] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:05] <tibbar> ftp
[04:05] <tibbar> LeeJunFan: we are in a network and we use pure-ftp
[04:05] <litropy> thx
[04:05] <LeeJunFan> tibbar: yeah, just dump them in the cache dir, I'm not entirely certain that will work, but I don't see why it wouldnt.
[04:06] <Bubba_Gump> how do i find out what X version i am running?
[04:06] <defrysk> Bubba_Gump, in dapper 7.0 in edgy 7.1
[04:06] <LjL> Bubba_Gump: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg
[04:06] <Bubba_Gump> edgy :)
[04:07] <defrysk> Bubba_Gump, and what LjL said ;)
[04:07] <octan> or
[04:07] <Bubba_Gump> ;)
[04:07] <octan>  Xorg -version
[04:07] <defrysk> Bubba_Gump, and what Bubba_Gump said
[04:08] <Bubba_Gump> hah :D
[04:08] <defrysk> octan, that is :D
[04:08] <octan> hehe :)
[04:08] <defrysk> !info xorg
[04:08] <ubotu> xorg: X.Org X Window System. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.1.1ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 44 kB
[04:08] <Bubba_Gump> can someone help me to install some drivers?
[04:08] <defrysk> also an easy way
[04:08] <grimweb> I'm going to try with glx disabled in xconf, maybe that works
[04:09] <Bubba_Gump> http://www.winischhofer.eu/linuxsispart4.shtml#download (i'm looking to install the 760, yet, i have yet to have a clue :) )
[04:11] <Bubba_Gump> which of the binaries do i download?
[04:11] <Bubba_Gump> for the x that i'm running :)
[04:13] <defrysk> Bubba_Gump, http://www.winischhofer.eu/cgi-bin/downloadpage.cgi?dllink=http://www.winischhofer.net/sis/sis_drv.o_xorg_7.1.0_gcc4_290906-1.tar.gz
[04:14] <Bubba_Gump> how do i stop X?
[04:14] <Bubba_Gump> and, when i do, will it stop my display?
[04:14] <defrysk>  yes
[04:14] <Th3_Cr0up13R> defrysk:  !xorg doesnt work on mine says not found
[04:14] <Tm_T> Bubba_Gump: Stop what display?
[04:15] <defrysk>  /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[04:15] <Bubba_Gump> "Starting from X.org 6.9, you MUST stop X.org before proceeding."
[04:15] <defrysk>  /etc/init.d/kdm start to start it again
[04:15] <Tm_T> Bubba_Gump: Yes it stop that graphical environment, but you still have all those fancy terminals
[04:15] <Bubba_Gump> :)
[04:16] <defrysk> ctrl-alt f1- f6
[04:16] <defrysk> 6 to choose from
[04:16] <Seeker`> f1 is my favourite
[04:16] <defrysk> ctrl- alt f7 to return to grafics
[04:17] <Angrataf> !ati
[04:17] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:17] <Bubba_Gump> how can i do this (new to linux) - Copy "sis_drv.o" (sis_drv.so for X.org 6.9 and later) over the existing one which usually is located at /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/. Starting with X.org 7.0, the file is located at /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers.
[04:18] <dhq> i have a problem i cant compile my graphic drivers ERROR:" Kernel modules did not compile  The DRI drivers can not be installed without the latest kernel modules.Installation will be aborted. See the dri.log file for information on what went wrong.
[04:19] <ScarFreewill> LeeJunFan: how do i copy edgy's default pkg form the cd rom ?
[04:19] <defrysk> Bubba_Gump, sis drivers is nativly available in ubuntu if thats the driver you are after
[04:19] <ScarFreewill> and i'm gay
[04:19] <Bubba_Gump> so i need to copy sis_drv.so from /home/gary/ to /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers
[04:20] <Tm_T> ScarFreewill: Too much info there.
[04:20] <dhq> fdoving: i have a problem i cant compile my graphic drivers ERROR:" Kernel modules did not compile
[04:20] <Bubba_Gump> defrysk: yes they are, but the drivers that come with ubuntu only use 256k of the graphics
[04:20] <ScarFreewill> Tm_T: btw that was m
[04:20] <defrysk> I see
[04:20] <ScarFreewill> Tm_T:
[04:20] <defrysk> anyway, have to go for a bit
[04:20] <Bubba_Gump> k :)
[04:20] <Bubba_Gump> thanks for your help :)
[04:21] <defrysk> Bubba_Gump, make sure to blacklist the ones ubuntu uses to avoid conflicts with the ones you are going to use
[04:21] <LeeJunFan> ScarFreewill: what you want to do is put the CD-rom in the other computer to be upgraded and apt-cdrom add (check man apt-cdrom)
[04:21] <Tm_T> ScarFreewill: You're in wrong channel if you think that thing matters. ;(
[04:21] <defrysk> later!
[04:21] <LeeJunFan> !apt-cdrom
[04:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-cdrom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:21] <Angrataf> !gnome
[04:21] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[04:22] <Angrataf> whta's the name of the gnome package?
[04:22] <Tm_T> Angrataf: ubuntu-desktop perhaps.
[04:22] <Tm_T> !info ubuntu-desktop
[04:22] <ubotu> ubuntu-desktop: The Ubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.30 (edgy), package size 16 kB, installed size 44 kB
[04:23] <Bubba_Gump> how can i copy files from one location, to another, through the terminal?
[04:23] <ScarFreewill> Tm_T: that was my brother
[04:24] <LjL> Bubba_Gump: cp (possibly cp -a)
[04:24] <ScarFreewill> Tm_T: omg it w
[04:24] <LjL> Ubotu, please tell Bubba_Gump about cli | Bubba_Gump, you have a private message from Ubotu
[04:24] <Tm_T> ScarFreewill: As always. ;)
[04:24] <ScarFreewill> Tm_T: nwm
[04:28] <ScarFreewill> LeeJunFan: do i have to remount the cdrom in bash/non-gui?
[04:29] <LeeJunFan> ScarFreewill: shouldn't matter if it's non-gui.
[04:29] <JanK> how to start kmail on startup, but only in the notification bar? (like the KOrganizer notification symbol)
[04:30] <dhq>  i have a problem i cant compile my graphic drivers ERROR:" Kernel modules did not compile
[04:30] <dhq>  i have a problem i cant compile my graphic drivers
[04:35] <virogenesis> hello
[04:35] <virogenesis> can Anyone tell me how to install synergy or midnight commander Via apt-get ?
[04:35] <virogenesis> cus I don't seem to be able to download it....
[04:35] <Angrataf> apt-get install synergy perhaps
[04:35] <virogenesis> nope, says its not there
[04:36] <virogenesis> E: Couldn't find package synergy
[04:36] <virogenesis> E: Couldn't find package mc
[04:36] <virogenesis> Can't find midnight commander...
[04:36] <Jucato> !mc
[04:36] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-5 (edgy), package size 2057 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[04:36] <JanK> apt-get update before?
[04:36] <virogenesis> no :)
[04:36] <virogenesis> thank you :D
[04:36] <Bubba_Gump> "The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem." any ideas?
[04:36] <JanK> sudo :)
[04:36] <virogenesis> done :D
[04:37] <Jucato> virogenesis: check if your universe repos are enabled also
[04:37] <virogenesis> still can't find mc
[04:37] <Riddell> trappist: ping
[04:37] <virogenesis> ah where do I fix the universe repos
[04:37] <Jucato> !repositories | virogenesis
[04:37] <ubotu> virogenesis: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:37] <virogenesis> Thank you !!! :)
[04:37] <virogenesis> thank god this irc server has nice ppl to help out the n00bs ;)
[04:37] <xst> In fstab I have listed two mountpoints with the noauto option. But still they both gets mounted automatically. This broken-like behavior began came with edgy. How can I make it respect the noauto option?
[04:38] <trappist> Riddell: pong
[04:39] <Riddell> trappist: I found an old e-mail from you with a patch for common/kde-default.css
[04:39] <ScarFreewill> virogenesis: ^_^
[04:39] <trappist> Riddell: yeah I remember sending it
[04:39] <Riddell> trappist: I've long since forgotten what the context is, can you mind me?
[04:40] <trappist> Riddell: a lot of the html docs, particularly TOCs, have links that are unclickable in firefox because of the all-around padding that should have been padding-left
[04:40] <Riddell> trappist: does it need applied to branch as well as trunk?
[04:41] <Bubba_Gump> apt problems, i have added two deb's to my repositories, now adept opens with an error
[04:41] <trappist> Riddell: I'd have to look - it was applied at some point, then I guess resynced from kde.org
[04:42] <Riddell> trappist: oh, if someone has applied it, then I don't need to worry :)
[04:42] <Jucato> Bubba_Gump: you probably added the deb lines incorrectly, edit the sources.list manually: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:43] <Admiral_Chicago> !easysource
[04:43] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:43] <Admiral_Chicago> that may also healp
[04:43] <trappist> Riddell: oh ok, good deal - I've sent it upstream to I think kde-docs-en - maybe you could poke them for me if you have any clout with them :)  they've been sitting on it for a while
[04:43] <Bubba_Gump> Jucato: i have, but, when it comes to save, it says: "The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:///etc/apt/sources.list. Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available."
[04:44] <Riddell> trappist: why do they need poked if it has been applied?
[04:44] <trappist> ah, kde-doc-english
[04:44] <Jucato> Bubba_Gump: did you use the exact command I gave you?
[04:44] <trappist> Riddell: it hasn't been applied upstream
[04:44] <Riddell> oh, so I should still worry about it
[04:44] <Admiral_Chicago> trappist or Riddell speakin gof FX, does Ctrl + A work for either of you in 2.0? I can't highlight a nexn area ash i'm not sure if it was my computer or a bug
[04:44] <Bubba_Gump> Jucato: heh, no (i'm in konq) :)
[04:44] <Jucato> Bubba_Gump: and in Konqi, you're probably browsing using file:/ ?
[04:45] <trappist> Riddell: I think so - I don't remember exactly why it came back up, but I think you were specifically asking about local changes you might want to reapply
[04:45] <Jucato> Bubba_Gump: well, since you're on Konqi, just right-click on sources.list and select Actions -> Edit as Root
[04:45] <Bubba_Gump> Jucato: that code worked :)
[04:45] <Bubba_Gump> ahhh i see
[04:45] <trappist> Admiral_Chicago: works here
[04:45] <Bubba_Gump> i've gotta be root to edit such files :)
[04:46] <Admiral_Chicago> trappist: hmm, i'll do a about:config  maybe my keybindings got altered somehow, thanks
[04:46] <Admiral_Chicago> class time
[04:46] <Jucato> Bubba_Gump: you need to have privileges to modify anything outside of /home/username
[04:46] <Bubba_Gump> ah, gotcha :)
[04:47] <ScarFreewill> can one uninstall all his extra pkg with out knowing what they are (just getting back to narmal kubuntu)
[04:47] <Bubba_Gump> kdesu <does that grant the privileges?
[04:47] <Jucato> Bubba_Gump: yes. kdesu is the "graphical" counter part of sudo
[04:47] <Admiral_Chicago> Bubba_Gump: in GUI
[04:48] <Jucato> !sudo | Bubba_Gump
[04:48] <ubotu> Bubba_Gump: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:48] <Bubba_Gump> ah
[04:48] <Jucato> !kdesu | Bubba_Gump
[04:48] <ubotu> Bubba_Gump: In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[04:53] <DaSkreech> Dink: Cool
[04:53] <randler> I can't get in to my kubuntu from my windows
[04:55] <TheGateKeeper> randler: dual boot?
[04:55] <snowice> fstab file in kubuntu looks strange
[04:56] <litropy> I'm on a ppc64 - how do I get flash installed?
[04:56] <TheGateKeeper> litropy: you need to install browser & flash as 32bit apps
[04:57] <randler> TheGateKeeper: No it's a homenetwork
[04:57] <snowice> what's UUID in first column in fstab?
[04:57] <litropy> TheGateKeeper: how do I do that?
[04:57] <LjL> !uuid | snowice
[04:57] <ubotu> snowice: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid" (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[04:58] <Jucato> !uuid | snowice
[04:58] <ubotu> snowice: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid" (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[04:58] <randler> it's says that i have to authenticate when i try to access the server from itself
[04:59] <randler> in smb4k
[04:59] <TheGateKeeper> litropy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava <-- hopefully this will help in some way
[05:00] <TheGateKeeper> randler: you have installed samba?
[05:00] <randler> yes
[05:01] <randler> I can get to windows from kubuntu, but not the other way around, I don't thin I've shared right
[05:01] <snowice> thanks ubotu
[05:01] <TheGateKeeper> go to system settings -> Internet & Network -> share
[05:02] <murchadh> randler: Check the user permissions on the folder you're trying to share.
[05:03] <Virogenesis> Hello !
[05:03] <randler> Local network settings?
[05:03] <randler> I mean browsing
[05:03] <Virogenesis> Can anyone tell me how to install the NVIDIA drivers, it reported some error that my kernel installation is inexistant...
[05:04] <murchadh> randler: I had to mount my fat32 drives using the uid gid flags to set the  mounts to my default user to get them to share. Not very elegant, I know, but it may help narrow down your problem.
[05:04] <Virogenesis> it also said it was going to try to dl the installation from some FTP but it locked there
[05:04] <randler> I don't have any access to the server at all.
[05:04] <randler> murchadh: uh, okay. How do I do that?
[05:07] <snowice> is it normal that it only shows /dev/ as the mountpoint for the floppy drive in fstab?
[05:07] <murchadh> randler: /dev/hda2 /DATA vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,auto,rw,owner 0 0 -0 is the line from my /etc/fstab to mount my fat32 partition with uid=gid=1000. Then samba shares them - without the uid gid it doesn't.
[05:07] <Angrataf> !grub-themes
[05:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about grub-themes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:07] <Angrataf> !grub
[05:07] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:09] <murchadh> randler: Can you edit your /etc/fstab? If so, add the above line, then sudo umount /dev/whateveritis, sudo mount /dev/whateveritis, and try your sharing!
[05:10] <randler> But i'm not sure if I have fat32?
[05:11] <murchadh> randler: I have had to use it on ntfs also. But I may be off track, and thereby putting you further off track!
[05:12] <murchadh> randler: You are having problems sharing files from kubuntu using samba?
[05:12] <Virogenesis> can anyone tell me how do I : 1. Build and install the kernel module
[05:12] <InkWell> I downloaded the nvidia linux display driver for AMD64, how do i install it?
[05:12] <Virogenesis> InkWell: I have the exact same problem
[05:13] <InkWell> i'm new to linux, so i know almost nothing
[05:13] <Virogenesis> same :|
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Quinn_Storm: Hiya
[05:13] <randler> murchadh:  yes, I can't get into the kubuntucomputer from windows, it's says that i don't have permission to
[05:13] <Quinn_Storm> hi DaSkreech
[05:15] <ns_> ahoys
[05:15] <InkWell> hey DaSkreech
[05:15] <ns_> anyone tryed to run beryl on kubuntu in a vmware machine ?
[05:15] <LjL> beryl under vmware? ugh
[05:15] <murchadh> randler: Have you physical access to the kubuntu computer? What have you shared? Have you setup a firewall on kubuntu?
[05:16] <ns_> LjL...i know...
[05:16] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Hello
[05:16] <nikkiana> morning DaSkreech
[05:16] <Th3_Cr0up13R> hey guys i just installed apollon but if i remember correctly when you run it the first time
[05:16] <Th3_Cr0up13R> it asks for gift to be run or somehting
[05:17] <Th3_Cr0up13R> now it just run and is trying to connect somewhere without me telling it were to
[05:17] <ns_> i'm having problems configuring my nvidia videocard, but the vmware doesn't like it ....it halts de system on reboot
[05:17] <Th3_Cr0up13R> the funny part is , its not even connecting
[05:17] <Th3_Cr0up13R> just saying it is .... but it is doing nothing
[05:17] <Th3_Cr0up13R> does anyone know if i got to configure something before running it
[05:18] <Th3_Cr0up13R> or add something to it?
[05:18] <randler> I've shared a folder in my home catalogue and no no firewall yet the physical address.., i'm not even sure if I have mounted samba
[05:21] <randler> Use authentication for servername?
[05:22] <murchadh> randler: In konqueror, right-click on a file or folder you want to share, click properties and then select the share tab at the top. Try to enable samba sharing, if it's installed it'll show up there.
[05:22] <murchadh> randler: Just trying to see if samba is working.
[05:23] <randler> okej
[05:24] <randler> An error occurred while trying to share folder '/home/randler/share'. Make sure that the Perl script 'fileshareset' is set suid root.
[05:26] <murchadh> randler: Gotta head out for a while. I'll be back in an hour. Try  ls -al /usr/bin/fileshareset
[05:26] <randler> ok, thanks
[05:26] <murchadh> randler: Make sure the permissions and group are set to root.
[05:26] <randler> mm
[05:27] <randler> murchadh: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 11003 2006-10-01 19:33 /usr/bin/fileshareset
[05:28] <murchadh> randler: Same as me. Not the problem then.
[05:30] <murchadh> randler: Do you know how to start konqueror as root? And try the above share on /home/randler/share again....
[05:31] <randler> yeah
[05:40] <DaSkreech> HI InkWell
[05:41] <InkWell> hey
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Whats up?
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Quinn_Storm: Got your problem fixed?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: How are you Today?
[05:43] <Quinn_Storm> mostly DaSkreech
[05:43] <DaSkreech> Sooo now screensavers work but you can't preview them?
[05:45] <Quinn_Storm> lol no
[05:45] <Quinn_Storm> actually I'm in a *gasp* gnome session with gnome-screensaver
[05:46] <Hawkwind> Ickkkkk
[05:46] <Hawkwind> Hah
[05:46] <Quinn_Storm> which *also* has bugs here
[05:46] <Quinn_Storm> I just tried it and it went blankscreen
[05:47] <InkWell> got my 40g hd and installed this
[05:49] <Bubba_Gump> how do i open konqueror as root
[05:50] <defrysk> Bubba_Gump, kdesu konqueror
[05:50] <defrysk> just guessing :/
[05:51] <Bubba_Gump> when i do the ksedu, it comes up afterwards with "bad input device"
[05:51] <Jucato> correct guess
[05:51] <Bubba_Gump> is that normal ??
[05:51] <Jucato> Bubba_Gump: normal
[05:51] <shadowhywind> !pastebin
[05:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:51] <Jucato> Bubba_Gump: X BadDevice Error, right?
[05:51] <Bubba_Gump> yeah
[05:52] <Bubba_Gump> is that sposed to happen?
[05:52] <Jucato> Bubba_Gump: those are normal. if you don't want to see those, just press Alt+F2 and enter "kdesu konqueror" from there
[05:52] <Bubba_Gump> thanks :)
[05:54] <DaSkreech> InkWell: ok so if you got any questions just ask them here :)
[05:55] <defrysk> Bubba_Gump, you can also add runcommand to your panel if you would like that its in the add > applets when you rightclick annn empy spot on the panel
[05:56] <Bubba_Gump> thanks :)
[05:56] <murchadh> Good idea to use a default or different theme for root, that way you'll know when you're in konqueror with all those extra privileges! You gotta exercise care when you wear root's hat...
[05:57] <miso> anyone got any experience configuring NetworkManager & getting it running with knetworkmanager?
[05:57] <defrysk> konqueror running as root .... brrrrrrr
[05:57] <litropy> man
[05:58] <litropy> no one is responding in #ubuntu-xgl
[05:58] <litropy> here's what I have
[05:58] <litropy> Both beerorkid.com and media.blutkind.org have scripts pointing to the wrong thing for powerpc. They should be pointing to ppc, not powerpc, and I get a "Unable to find expected entry" upon sudo apt-get install
[06:06] <Admiral_Chicago> litropy: woul you mind pasting your sources.list
[06:10] <litropy> Admiral_Chicago: yes, hang on
[06:12] <litropy> Admiral_Chicago: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33136/
[06:13] <Admiral_Chicago> litropy: i see what you mena i think. give me a moment
[06:13] <litropy> thanks, Admiral_Chicago
[06:14] <LjL> !info kaptain | Dr_willis (see yesterday)
[06:14] <ubotu> kaptain: Graphical front-end for command line programs. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.71-1.5 (edgy), package size 421 kB, installed size 724 kB
[06:15] <overkill22> hi at all
[06:15] <overkill22> someone can help me to configure the WEBCAM ???
[06:15] <LjL> Ubotu, please tell overkill22 about webcam | overkill22, you have a private message from Ubotu
[06:16] <overkill22> i don't find it in any list of avaiable webcam
[06:16] <octan> !spca5xx
[06:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spca5xx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:16] <octan> bleh
[06:17] <trappist> !spca5xx-source
[06:17] <ubotu> spca5xx-source: source for the spca5xx driver. In component universe, is optional. Version 20060501-1 (edgy), package size 191 kB, installed size 256 kB
[06:17] <octan> http://spca50x.sourceforge.net/spca50x.php?page=cams
[06:17] <Gusj> My wireless mouse and keyboard are still not detected by Kubuntu
[06:17] <octan> overkill22, look at that list
[06:18] <Admiral_Chicago> litropy: i assume every line should end in main-ppc
[06:18] <overkill22> octan , i have a typhoon easycam , i linux see it on the usb port, but i don't know the chipset of it!
[06:19] <litropy> Admiral_Chicago: should I replace anything with main-ppc, or should I just add it to the end of the line?
[06:19] <octan> overkill look at that link insteadhttp://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html
[06:20] <octan> http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html
[06:20] <Admiral_Chicago> litropy: to the end of the line
[06:21] <octan> overkill22, if you cam is not listed ther,, google for for the driver
[06:21] <litropy> thanks, Admiral_Chicago - I'll keep you updated
[06:21] <overkill22> octan , i tell google, but i can't find anything for my cam...and i'm new for linux, so i don't know how i can  configure the wecam..
[06:22] <DaSkreech> overkill22: Which webcam?
[06:22] <octan> over is you camera listed in the last link i pasted
[06:22] <Admiral_Chicago> litropy: let me know if that works so i can update the documentation
[06:22] <litropy> sure thing, Admiral_Chicago
[06:23] <overkill22> octan, no there isn't....   DaSkreech, my cam is Typhoon Easycam 1,3 Mpix
[06:23] <trappist> overkill22: I see two typhoon easycams, one supported by spca5xx and one not
[06:23] <overkill22> trappist, where?
[06:23] <trappist> overkill22: http://www.kaiser-linux.li/index.php/Linux_and_Webcams#Typhoon_Easycam_USB_330K
[06:24] <overkill22> damn, my is the one who is not supported...
[06:24] <octan> overkill22, guess you have to wait a while
[06:24] <litropy> Admiral_Chicago: apt-get update did not work. See paste http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33139/
[06:25] <trappist> overkill22: looks like 9 days ago some real progress was made on support for it
[06:25] <trappist> overkill22: http://www.kaiser-linux.li/index.php?title=PAC7311
[06:26] <overkill22> i'm reading ! .-)
[06:27] <overkill22> trappist, i've read, but i don't understand if i can use it or no... -_-'
[06:28] <trappist> overkill22: heh me neither :)  might be worth a shot to grab the newest source and try
[06:28] <overkill22> trappist, don't understand...
[06:29] <trappist> overkill22: download the newest spca5xx source (not from the repositories), build it, and give it a try
[06:30] <Admiral_Chicago> litropy: you are trying to get compiz to work on a mac? ppc?
[06:30] <overkill22> trappist, can you help me to download it and install plz?
[06:31] <litropy> Admiral_Chicago: correct. iMac 1.8 GHz G5 20" GeForce FX
[06:31] <inteliwasp> can anyone help a linux user in dependency hell?
[06:32] <trappist> overkill22: I'll let you find and download the source.  once you've done that I'll help you build it (if I'm still here)
[06:32] <apokryphos> !hlepme
[06:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hlepme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:32] <apokryphos> !helpme
[06:32] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:32] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm not sure if composite will work on PPC yet
[06:32] <Admiral_Chicago> let me poke around
[06:32] <litropy> Admiral_Chicago: sure thing
[06:33] <overkill22> trappist, for dwnl i must write apt-get install spca5xx ?
[06:33] <h3sp4wn> No inherient reason why composite would not work on PPC
[06:33] <trappist> overkill22: no, that won't get the newest source.  just poke around on the intarweb and find it
[06:34] <litropy> Admiral_Chicago: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=136015
[06:34] <litropy> it does run
[06:34] <litropy> "almost flawlessly", so says the article
[06:35] <Admiral_Chicago> ah my apolocies h3sp4wn and litropy, i've only seen repos of PC and 64bit
[06:35] <Admiral_Chicago> i assumed...
[06:36] <overkill22> trappist sorry, i cant do anything because i've install kubuntu only 2 days ago, so i don't know what i must search and where,...sorry for that.... :(
[06:38] <trappist> overkill22: nevermind, it looks like the new stuff for that camera isn't available for download yet.  have to wait for another release.
[06:38] <overkill22> trappist, thanx anyway!
[06:39] <Admiral_Chicago> litropy: what kind of card
[06:39] <litropy> I'll have the exact version in a sec
[06:41] <litropy> Admiral_Chicago: NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra with 64 MB of DDR SDRAM (AGP 8X support).
[06:41] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm i have no idea why it doesn't work
[06:43] <Admiral_Chicago> litropy: i'll try in #ubuntu-xgl, i see you're already there
[06:43] <inteliwasp> can anyone help a linux user in dependency hell?
[06:43] <Flyser> hi does Kubuntu use the same Mirror for its packages as Ubuntu?
[06:44] <fred_> Hi everybody
[06:44] <FearMoth> hi, i changed the icon for my usb flash disk, and later deleted that icon (i guess ?) and now it's not showing up on my desktop. all I see is "usbdisk" and no icon where there should be one. is there any way to reset the icon to the default?
[06:44] <mnoir> Flyser: yes
[06:46] <eduardo> hi folks, i have a problem with the kubuntu in my laptop when i do "turn off". The comportment of kubuntu is close every all services, but no the laptop energy
[06:48] <litropy> Admiral_Chicago: http://gandalfn.wordpress.com/compiz-repository/
[06:48] <litropy> would that work?
[06:48] <root_> ?
[06:49] <gtwy> how do i force an upgrade of a package that doesnt have an update available
[06:50] <gtwy> i have a file from the website that is newer than what apt-get is saying is the newest
[06:50] <randler> Flyser: Kubuntu is ubuntu but with the kde desktop
[06:50] <Flyser> randler: I know
[06:50] <DaSkreech> gtwy: What kind of file is it?
[06:50] <Admiral_Chicago> litropy: i don't think so
[06:50] <gtwy> sourcecode.. but i could probably find a binary of it
[06:50] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm sorry but i have to run and do hw
[06:50] <Admiral_Chicago> ttul
[06:50] <randler> So you can download ubuntu and then install kde-desktop
[06:50] <DaSkreech> gtwy: Jump to it then :)
[06:50] <DaSkreech> randler: if you use the alternate :)
[06:50] <litropy> Admiral_Chicago: alright
[06:51] <gtwy> im trying to update smbclient because the newest one fixed a bug that i am having a problem with
[06:51] <DaSkreech> is there a way to apt-get remove one package and get rid of gnome?
[06:51] <Admiral_Chicago> litropy: PM me if you get it working
[06:51] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll update the documentation
[06:51] <randler> Flyser: So why do you want to know if they use the same mirror?
[06:52] <Flyser> randler: well maybe there are some differents in ... I dont know much about ubuntu sry
[06:53] <trappist> DaSkreech: not exactly, but you could use debfoster on ubuntu-desktop
[06:53] <DaSkreech> debfoster?
[06:54] <trappist> !debfoster
[06:54] <ubotu> debfoster is a command to weed unnecessary .deb packages. See http://www.fruit.eu.org/debfoster/
[06:54] <Angrataf> !beryl
[06:54] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[06:55] <Dr_willis> its amazing the # of commands/tools out for package management...
[06:55] <DaSkreech> trappist: so runing that on the package ubuntu-desktop would remove all stuff down to X ?
[06:55] <LjL> Dr_willis: saw my note?
[06:56] <Dr_willis> note? been out rakeing the yard. :)
[06:56] <trappist> DaSkreech: if you run it with the right options, it will remove all packages that are installed only because of ubuntu-desktop dependencies
[06:56] <LjL> !info kaptain | Dr_willis (see yesterday)
[06:56] <ubotu> kaptain: Graphical front-end for command line programs. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.71-1.5 (edgy), package size 421 kB, installed size 724 kB
[06:56] <DaSkreech> LjL: Is that like alt+ F2 ?
[06:57] <Dr_willis> !info kaptain | Dr_willis
[06:57] <ubotu> kaptain: Graphical front-end for command line programs. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.71-1.5 (edgy), package size 421 kB, installed size 724 kB
[06:57] <LjL> DaSkreech, no. it lets you build quick GUIs for CLI programs by writing a text file
[06:57] <Dr_willis> heh
[06:58] <Dr_willis> which is about all i used CanDO for on my amiga. :)
[06:59] <LjL> Dr_willis: which is why i thought you'd find that interesting... for a real full CanDo equivalent, i dunno.
[07:00] <Dr_willis> LjL,  yea.. that style of program has fallen to the wayside it seems.
[07:02] <LjL> Dr_willis: well, there's Kommander... probably the closest it gets
[07:02] <LjL> and Gambas, but that's more of a VB clone than anything else
[07:05] <londo4> Help... I try to open Adep but I get this   Message: The APT database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem
[07:06] <fdoving> !adept crash fix | londo4
[07:06] <ubotu> londo4: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[07:06] <fdoving> londo4: try that, tell me if it doesn't work.
[07:12] <londo4> Ubotu> Its not working
[07:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Its not working - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
 is that link for me?
[07:13] <DaSkreech> londo4: ubotu is a robot
[07:13] <inteliwasp> londo4:  do this command "ps-ef |grep adept"
[07:14] <londo4> I did know man
[07:14] <sgorilla80> where would you access your touchpad settings?
[07:14] <ales_> Running man fg or man jobs gives me "No manual entry for fg".  What package should I install to get this manuals?
[07:14] <Dr_willis> sgorilla80,  theres a ksynaptic program that can tweak the settings on the fly.
[07:15] <Dr_willis> but i recall a Xorg.conf setting needed to be changed to get full use of it.
[07:15] <londo4> ubotu, is not working
[07:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is not working - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:16] <londo4> ubotu> the command does`t work
[07:16] <ubotu> the: Full-screen character mode text editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1-4 (edgy), package size 277 kB, installed size 796 kB
[07:16] <campbch> !mp3
[07:16] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:17] <Hawkwind> londo4: ubotu is a bot and won't answer you
[07:17] <londo4> ok
[07:17] <sonja-ny> hi there, i got ubuntu up and running from a live cd and a fresh install, i want to BE in KDE ,, I have understood that i ned the kde version.. cool kubuntu 6 10 alternate amd64 iso, is that all i need ?
do you can solve my problem?
[07:18] <DaSkreech> ales_: as far as I know those are bash builtins
[07:19] <DaSkreech> ales_: Would you like help files for them?
[07:19] <sgorilla80> whats the best way to access usb drives when you plug them in?
[07:19] <tsdgeos> sonja-ny: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop is all you need
[07:19] <sgorilla80> i have a camera that is supposed to act like a usb drive
[07:19] <dorshin> how to change login screen in dapper?
[07:19] <sgorilla80> but im not sure how to mount it
[07:19] <sonja-ny> tsdgeos-->from a term ?
[07:19] <sgorilla80> does kde have some type of automounter for those types of thing?
[07:19] <tsdgeos> sonja-ny: yes
[07:19] <tsdgeos> probably prepend a "sudo"
[07:20] <sonja-ny> tsdgeos--> Thank you sir
[07:20] <ales_> DaSkreech: yes, i would like to get help files
[07:20] <cecko> hi all,
[07:20] <cecko> sudo echo on > /proc/acpi/ibm/light
[07:20] <cecko> bash: /proc/acpi/ibm/light: Permission denied
[07:20] <sonja-ny> sudo ok I will do that
[07:20] <Lam_> does anyone else's emacs have small font size?
[07:20] <cecko> should i change the permissions?
[07:20] <DaSkreech> ales_: if you cn't find man files for commands that exist try the command <type command_name>
[07:20] <sgorilla80> Lam_: i think small font size is good
[07:20] <DaSkreech> try type fg
[07:20] <sgorilla80> for emacs
[07:20] <londo4> Admiral_Chicago>>> do you can give me the command to fix my soundcard again?
[07:21] <DaSkreech> ales_: you should get shell builtin. if you do then to get the help files the command is <help command_name>
[07:21] <DaSkreech> so help fg and help jobs should give you want you need
[07:22] <zorglu_>  if one would like to know the network usage of the box in general, where one should look ? somewhere in /proc ?
[07:22] <Admiral_Chicago>  !sound
[07:22] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:22] <Admiral_Chicago> londo4: i don't recall helping you, was it "alsamixer"
[07:23] <sonja-ny> tsdgeos--> thank you very much Term window is now downloading... do I need to reboot and alter my login session ?
[07:23] <tsdgeos> sonja-ny: reboot yes, and yes, you have to login to "KDE" instead of "gnome"
[07:23] <dorshin> how to change login screen in dapper?i am changing GUI style from login manager but nothing changes,
[07:24] <Admiral_Chicago> !kdem | dorshin
[07:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdem - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:24] <Admiral_Chicago> !kdm | dorshin
[07:24] <ubotu> kdm: X display manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 611 kB, installed size 1480 kB
[07:24] <pyong> do someone knows how to play  wmv  on my kubuntu
[07:24] <sonja-ny> tsdgeos--> will i have the option to change sessions on reboot like a F3 key ?
[07:24] <Admiral_Chicago> !restricted | pyong
[07:24] <ubotu> pyong: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:24] <steveire> Is there a command line way to see what DNS servers I'm connected to?
[07:24] <tsdgeos> sonja-ny: no, you have to choose that on the login screen
[07:24] <cecko> hi all, i think i cant run acpid.   "acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: Permission denied"  can I change perimissions in /proc/ folder?
[07:24] <Admiral_Chicago> steveire: i think it's a command called trace not sure
[07:24] <tsdgeos> i think, not sure :D
[07:25] <Admiral_Chicago> londo4: i have to go to class
[07:25] <Admiral_Chicago> PM me if you live
[07:25] <ales_> DaSkreech: I am watching a video tutorial for bash on fedora and they used man fg and got something like http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/fg.1.html. help fg gives me some info, but I would like to get man like on the URL I just wrote
[07:25] <zorglu_> steveire: "dig google.com" you will see
[07:25] <sonja-ny> tsdgeos--> Thanks for all the help ... Thank you is all I can say , very impressed EX SUSe user is going to party her ASS off
[07:25] <londo4> ok
[07:25] <zorglu_> steveire: ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1)
[07:25] <zorglu_> steveire: around the end, this is your dns server
[07:26] <DaSkreech> ales_: Not sure where they got it but you can make your own man page I would suspect
[07:26] <dorshin> how to change login screen in dapper?i am changing GUI style from login manager but nothing changes,
[07:26] <DaSkreech> zorglu_: Is that like digg google.com ?
[07:27] <steveire> zorglu_: If you told me the command I missed it. I'll google now.
[07:27] <zorglu_> DaSkreech: "dig" is a command line part of bind utilities to query dns (nothing to do with digg the website)
[07:27] <zorglu_> steveire: ok type "dig ubuntu.com" in a terminal
[07:27] <DaSkreech> zorglu_: Man no one gets puns anymore :-(
[07:27] <steveire> ah, thanks.
[07:28] <zorglu_> DaSkreech: mouaoua hey internet communication is hard :)
[07:28] <sgorilla80> where would your touchpad be in xorg.conf ?
[07:28] <zorglu_>  if one would like to know the network usage of the box in general, where one should look ? somewhere in /proc ? <- no taker for my poorly asked question about netif sta ?\
[07:28] <sgorilla80> it seems i have a lot of mice listed there, but i am not sure what is associate with the touchpad
[07:28] <steveire> zorglu_: Actually dig is enough to give me the info
[07:28] <sgorilla80> would it be /dev/psaux?
[07:28] <zorglu_> steveire: cool
[07:31] <zorglu_> balbala where linux hides the stat about netif
[07:31] <zorglu_> i go dig :) ouf ouf, am i funny or not :)
[07:32] <`4aFkA`> what help can i get from here ?
[07:33] <sonja-ny> well a change of your nickname would be a help too ?
[07:33] <zorglu_> cat /proc/net/dev <- i got it !!! :)
[07:34] <sonja-ny> tsdgeos-->  after the reboot is there a way i can Use wild cards to install ALL KDE packages ?
[07:34] <sonja-ny> tsdgeos--> As in apt-get kde *.* ?
[07:35] <londo4> Who can help me with this problem? The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get updat
[07:35] <tsdgeos> sonja-ny: think no
[07:35] <scheuri> !apt
[07:35] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[07:35] <zorglu_> !adept-fix-crash
[07:35] <scheuri> londo4: at the end of that article there should be help
[07:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-fix-crash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:35] <Hawkwind> !adept crash fix | londo4
[07:35] <ubotu> londo4: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[07:35] <zorglu_> !adept-crash-fix
[07:35] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and you're left with a locked database, try typing this in a terminal (such as Konsole):  "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock ; sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[07:36] <zorglu_> i was close tho :)
[07:36] <sonja-ny> tsdgeos--> Thank you Sir, one more ? If I may can I uninstall all the gnome ? or just leave it I Got like 480 gig og HDD
[07:36] <tsdgeos> you can probably uninstall it
[07:36] <tsdgeos> but it should not hurt
[07:37] <`4aBkA`> i have some problems with setting up my connection.. coz i use proxy
[07:37] <sonja-ny> tsdgeos--> Thank you very much I will STFU up now and just install and reboot, thanks for the help I am loving Kubuntu , its wicked fast on my amd
[07:37] <Angrataf> !xfce
[07:37] <ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[07:38] <`4aBkA`> and i need help to setup the ip addresses and the proxies
[07:40] <sonja-ny> tsdgeos--> Thank you very much , Kubuntu just kicked in on login ... no Questions asked ... I love it .. Thank you
[07:40] <tsdgeos> :-)
[07:40] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[07:41] <brink> sorry mt clone let me fix it
[07:42] <Angrataf> !suse
[07:42] <ubotu> Other Linux distributions include; .deb-based: Debian, Mepis; RPM-based: RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva; Source-based: Gentoo, Slackware
[07:42] <sonja-ny> wow love the speeed
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> speed kills - go back to windows befor its too late!
[07:44] <sonja-ny> winblows sucks i aint used it since 95 winsucks and never will
[07:44] <jubbidubbidu> mooop
[07:44] <sonja-ny> I have never seen or had a better install than ubuntu
[07:44] <jubbidubbidu> :P
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> im testing out PuppyLinux at the moment. :)
[07:44] <sonja-ny> it found all my AMD 64 bit shit and is online
[07:45] <jubbidubbidu> maybe u can help me
[07:45] <jubbidubbidu> how do i set a connection to quakenet?
[07:45] <jubbidubbidu> XD
[07:45] <sonja-ny> Dr_Willis: I have that running on my other pc
[07:45] <sonja-ny> its quick , but i needed a HDD install > i normally use slax kill bill
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> sonja-ny:  heh -  for less then 100mb - its sort of amazing.
[07:46] <jubbidubbidu> -.-
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> slax has some nicer features in ways.. and annoying features in other ways. ;)
[07:46] <sonja-ny> Dr_Willis: you are right there sir, but i want a full time pc ... so this is it, its a 64 AMD and kubuntu did  all i neded to
[07:46] <jubbidubbidu> ---:( how do i set a connection to quakenet :( ?
[07:46] <gtwy> sonja-ny: how about documents, slide show presentations,
[07:46] <gtwy> games
[07:47] <jubbidubbidu> "-.-
[07:47] <gtwy> image editing
[07:47] <gtwy> gimp doesnt cut it
[07:47] <Gusj> I`ve encountered some problems when trying to install Kubuntu. Neither of my USB-drives are detected, so I can`t use my mouse or my keyboard
[07:47] <sonja-ny> Dr_Willis: I use slax kil bill to fix up other persons pcs , yes i love it ..but I need a full time pc , and kubuntu has WON me over from suse. fed ZOD etc
[07:47] <jubbidubbidu> GIMP, Open Office?
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> gime does all i need. :)
[07:47] <Gusj> Could anyone help me with that?
[07:47] <scheuri> jubbidubbidu: what are you chatting with? what programm?=
[07:47] <jubbidubbidu> Gimp rulezZzZ
[07:47] <scheuri> *program?
[07:47] <gtwy> Dr_Willis: then you dont do much image editing.. gimp is powerful but the UI is horrid
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> wife likes these more idiot-friendly-instant editing programs. for her pictures..
[07:47] <jubbidubbidu> Konversation
[07:48] <jubbidubbidu> scheuri
[07:48] <sonja-ny> gtwy: games = PS3 or Xblox , i use my pc for work ????/
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> gtwy:  whatever.. it does what i need...
[07:48] <scheuri> jubbidubbidu: press F2 (or FILE -> SERVER LIST)
[07:48] <gtwy> Dr_Willis: how about editing vectors?
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> i learned to use gimp years ago..
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> i saw a vetor editor the other day.. linux version just came out.. is also out for windows.. but i cant rember the name or url
[07:48] <jubbidubbidu> do i have to add quakenet @scheuri
[07:48] <scheuri> jubbidubbidu: then press NEW... and add the quakenet server into the appropriate fields
[07:48] <scheuri> jubbidubbidu: yes...so you can connect to it
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> not that i need vector editing.. but it was a neat program. too bad i cant rember its name
[07:49] <gtwy> when adobe releases their software for linux, linux will be a 100% complete replacement for osx (and winblows)
[07:49] <dhq> fdoving: Dr_Willis: i need help compiling my intel drivers
[07:49] <sonja-ny> adobe,,, wow they are so FAR behind bill gates they are all covered in his C R A P
[07:49] <Gusj> Could anyone tell me how I can make USB-ports to work, only using the keyboard?
[07:50] <DaSkreech> gtwy: Not till we have Virii :)
[07:50] <jubbidubbidu> scheuri: what data exactly do i need to kow about quakenet to add it :? just typing the name twice dont do it
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> I cant afford adobe software.. so its allready a replacement for me.
[07:50] <gtwy> neither can i ;)
[07:50] <scheuri> jubbidubbidu: well, you need to know the name of the quakenet server....I dont know that...
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> work time for me.. byeee.
[07:50] <sonja-ny> Dr_Willis:  afford or want to PAY, that is the Question lol
[07:50] <jubbidubbidu> :P i guess its google again
[07:50] <litropy> Hi, all - I'm getting error messages upon apt-get install like this: Failed to fetch http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/dists/edgy/Release  Unable to find expected entry  main-edgy/binary-powerpc/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[07:51] <litropy> see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304204 for more info
[07:52] <scheuri> jubbidubbidu: press NEW... then use a name of your choice for NETWORK and then ADD... a server (in the server box)...the server you need to know...do not know where to find out
[07:53] <jubbidubbidu> scheuri: thanks, i got it ^^ just found out the server on quakenet.org ^^
[07:54] <scheuri> jubbidubbidu: welcome
[07:55] <Gusj> Ok then, anyone else had problems installing Kubuntu because the USB-ports are missing?
[07:56] <jubbidubbidu> nope?
[07:56] <jubbidubbidu> :P
[07:56] <dhq> i need help compiling my grafx drivers
[07:56] <sonja-ny> ok so if i load the new 64bit amd desktop and burn the iso , am I then into KDe only mode ? cause i loaded this Beast from a live ubuntu cd rom ?<    I aint complaining its love love love and more love I even got it into KDE mode, do I need the AMD64 bit iso and a new install before i start editing ?
[07:57] <ubuntu> hello all
[07:57] <pyong> how can i run NOATuN
[07:57] <sonja-ny> hi ubuntu
[07:58] <sonja-ny> pyong: from a term ?
[07:58] <pyong> noatun media player
[07:58] <ubuntu> i am having a little trouble ... my windows boot is messed up, so i booted the kubuntu live cd and i would like to ftp my files to recover them to another pc
[07:59] <ubuntu> but my windows partition does not mount
[07:59] <sonja-ny> ubuntu: was your winsux infected ?
[07:59] <ubuntu> no
[07:59] <ubuntu> i think its a registry error
[07:59] <ubuntu> i was ripping a cd
[08:00] <ubuntu> and the power went out
[08:00] <ubuntu> now, it goes to the winxp progress bar and restarts
[08:00] <ubuntu> over and over
[08:00] <sonja-ny> was the Cd music ?
[08:00] <ubuntu> yes
[08:00] <pyong> same thing that i encountered
[08:01] <ubuntu> i did some research and it said that it was a registry problem
[08:01] <sonja-ny> thank SONY they have a nice Virus installed on music CDS to STOP people ripping, google it, there are people SUIng them
[08:01] <ubuntu> its not sony ...
[08:02] <sonja-ny> yes, but the rest of  the music industry Joined in
[08:02] <sonja-ny> like my Dodge RAM , is a mercedes benz ?
[08:02] <ubuntu> this is an independent label ... they don't have enough cash to use any drm
[08:02] <sonja-ny> registry sounds to me like a MBR hack
[08:02] <sonja-ny> not nice but easy to fix
[08:03] <ubuntu> really?
[08:03] <filip_> how do i find a list with the most common commands for the console in KDE?
[08:03] <sonja-ny> filip_: try kde help ?
[08:03] <gtwy> sonja-ny: virus?
[08:03] <sonja-ny> gtwy: no idea Sir, I dont do Bill Gates, he sucks
[08:03] <filip_> sonja-ny  what is that? were?
[08:04] <ubuntu> lol
[08:04] <gtwy> sonja-ny: its nice to have a computer of each os
[08:04] <ubuntu> any idea why my windows partition does not mount in kubuntu?
[08:04] <sonja-ny> filip_:  google common commands for KDe commands
[08:05] <sonja-ny> gtwy: YEs if you play GAMES on a PC, Me I use ps3 or Xblox , my PC is my wotk i need it to do, as I ask it too , not to SPAM me
[08:06] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: If it doesn't mount it will tell you why
[08:06] <ubuntu> xbox is m$ too tho =P
[08:07] <sonja-ny> ubuntu: my Xbox runs linux too ,, and it works
[08:07] <ubuntu> it says
[08:08] <ubuntu> Could not mount device.
[08:08] <ubuntu> mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[08:09] <ubuntu> i ran qtparted and the partition shows up there
[08:10] <StratmanCJ> sorry, i have to register my nick
[08:10] <StratmanCJ> doing it now
[08:11] <intelikey> ubuntu the syntax for mount is;  sudo mount /dev/"device" /"mountpoint" "-options if needed"
[08:12] <StratmanCJ> mount: mount point /mountpoint does not exist
[08:12] <intelikey> device in that case would be hda1  mountpoint would be something like media/hda1    and probably not any option needed.
[08:12] <StratmanCJ> ooh
[08:12] <StratmanCJ> ok
[08:13] <sonja-ny> intelikey: what advantages does SUDO have against just switch user SU, is this a ONE of command ?
[08:13] <litropy> All, I've been trying to figure this out for days and no one seems to know what's up. I've gained absolutely no ground; any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Once again, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1788570#post1788570 for more info; thanks in advance
[08:14] <intelikey> sonja-ny the advantage in ubuntu is that su wont work by default    or should i say you can not use it to switch to root   (su will work for switching to another user account)  read the writeup on the wiki.
[08:14] <intelikey> !root
[08:14] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:14] <intelikey> that ^
[08:14] <novo> hello
[08:15] <sonja-ny> intelikey: thank you , i noticed i had troubles switching and never knew why
[08:15] <litropy> whoops - make that http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1788570
[08:15] <intelikey> sonja-ny short answer is "no root password"  but you should probably read the page before you go setting one.
[08:16] <novo> I'm new at IRC
[08:16] <StratmanCJ> ok, i tried
[08:16] <StratmanCJ> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt
[08:16] <StratmanCJ> and that worked
[08:16] <StratmanCJ> but now i can not get into that directory because i do not have permissions
[08:16] <sonja-ny> intelikey: got you and thank YOU Sir, i am just burning the real amd 64 for my pc AMD into Kubuntu
[08:17] <StratmanCJ> any idea what the default su password is
[08:17] <intelikey> StratmanCJ please read what is in front of you.
[08:17] <sonja-ny> StratmanCJ:  use sudo ?
[08:18] <h3sp4wn> StratmanCJ: sudo -i (will give you a root login shell if that is what you want)
[08:18] <virogenesis> hiiiiiiii !!!!
[08:18] <StratmanCJ> thank you
[08:18] <virogenesis> I was just wondering if anyone can tell me how to mount a SMBFS onto my hard drive
[08:19] <virogenesis> If anyone can tell me that would be so cool ;) cus i've been messing with it for like a hour and I can't find the smbmount command...
[08:19] <sonja-ny> so SUDO is a security , so that the end users , not the geeks , dont leave the ROOT acount open ?, its just A one off command ???
[08:19] <intelikey> !smb
[08:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:19] <intelikey> !samba
[08:19] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[08:19] <StratmanCJ> ok, it moutned there, and i am logged in as root
[08:19] <intelikey> yeah sudo is supposed to protect the ubuntu system from it's owner.
[08:20] <StratmanCJ> i see the files in konsole
[08:20] <StratmanCJ> but i do not have permission in konqueror
[08:21] <londo4> How can i Edit /etc/sources.list?
[08:21] <Bubba_Gump> help!
[08:21] <zorglu_> londo4: "kdesu kate /etc/sources.list" <- type that in a terminal
[08:21] <Bubba_Gump> installed a graphics driver and the only resolution i have is 640x480
[08:21] <Bubba_Gump> any way to increase the resolution?
[08:21] <intelikey> londo4 kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:22] <garrett_novo> Hi all
[08:22] <sonja-ny> intelikey: sorry I ask strange questions and now understand why , many users wil leave the SU switch user, not super user OPEN, thus being able to be hackable ?
[08:22] <linux_> hi all. were can I select that I can remote controle my linux server ?
[08:22] <intelikey> heh zorglu_ you out typed me.
[08:22] <zorglu_> :)
[08:22] <virogenesis> Nah I don't seem to have the -t smbfs
[08:22] <virogenesis> I don't know why
[08:22] <bubu1uk> linux_: u mean console remote or x11?
[08:23] <Bubba_Gump> how do i increase the screen resolution?
[08:23] <virogenesis> does anyone know how can u install the smbfs File System
[08:23] <linux_> x11
[08:23] <garrett_novo> I just got kubunt installed and I did a kernel update via adept.  When I rebooted my atheros drivers didn't load.  I tried manually loading them and found that they didn't automatically get rebuilt for the new kernel.  Is there an easy way to rebuild all modules when I get a kernel update?
[08:23] <bubu1uk> u need vnc server.
[08:24] <linux_> oke thanks, I will look
[08:24] <bubu1uk> linux_: many of them, look what u like. ;)
[08:24] <intelikey> sonja-ny any system is hackable.   sudo add's more precieved security in the hands on area than it does in the remote area.   it's a "save me from myself" thing.   suposed to make the new user think before they issue a command that will wreck the system.
[08:24] <linux_> :D
[08:25] <sonja-ny> intelikey: Thank you , I was thinking about the same idea and its a good step forward..i download my real  AMD 64, iso and burned it , I hope I will be back straight into 64 KDE Thank you for all your help
[08:29] <bubu1uk> linux_: look either for security things. if it supports encryption etc....
[08:29] <intelikey> sonja-ny the old "you don't know my user name" argument generally fails when one logs onto an irc server   (most people logon with their user name)  thus the clever scriptkiddy would just try to access your box as you and crack your password to have full access to the box   while root exists on all linux systems most people that set a root password make it more secure than they do their own password... thus ubuntu's  sudo "
[08:30] <intelikey> however if one would properly configure the /etc/sudoers file sudo does have enormus advantages in security.
[08:31] <intelikey> {never mind my spelling, i know it's terrable}
[08:32] <londo4> how can I save a edited /etc/sources.list?
[08:32] <intelikey> londo4 you can't you didn't use kdesu  like we told you.
[08:33] <Angrataf> how can i deinstall the complet (!) kde with apt-get?
[08:33] <intelikey> or optionally click the save icon.
[08:33] <compagdo> Hi, need to have java installed. Can someone help? tks
[08:33] <Angrataf> !java | compagdo
[08:33] <ubotu> compagdo: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[08:34] <compagdo> tks
[08:34] <intelikey> Angrataf that wont be easy.  removing qt  and then running deborphan will get close i think.
[08:34] <londo4> Also with kdesu I can`t save it
[08:34] <linux_> oke, I will do that. but I new with linux, so I first try to install the vnc server
[08:36] <intelikey> londo4 kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list      and you can't save from the file menu ?
[08:36] <scoates> hi
[08:36] <londo4> I can`t
[08:36] <scoates> I can't seem to get my swap to turn on at boot. I've tried both: "UUID=42edaa17-b0cb-4220-ad06-0c3c47599ffe swap sw 0 0" and "/dev/hda5 swap sw 0 0" in /etc/fstab, and nothing in /proc/swaps ; however, if I "sudo swapon -U 42edaa17-b0cb-4220-ad06-0c3c47599ffe" the swap shows up. Help?
[08:36] <gtwy> makeactive?
[08:37] <gtwy> no no
[08:37] <gtwy> hold up let me look i had this happen before
[08:37] <scoates> ok
[08:38] <intelikey> there are only two reasons that root could not write to a file   1 fs mounted ro    2 set imutable    i doubt the secnd.  so check the first.
[08:38] <gtwy> when you made /dev/hda5 did you do mkswap /dev/hda5 ?
[08:38] <scoates> gtwy: yes -- it works fine if I make it swapon, manually
[08:39] <scones> mjn
[08:39] <garrett_novo> Is there any special way to upgrade modules when you upgrade the kernel?
[08:39] <intelikey> garrett_novo yes
[08:40] <garrett_novo> intelikey: what would that be?
[08:40] <gtwy> scoates: does sudo swapon /dev/hda5 work
[08:40] <gtwy> or only when you use the UUID
[08:40] <scoates> no
[08:40] <scoates> UUID only
[08:40] <gtwy> hmm
[08:40] <intelikey> garrett_novo depends on how you are upgrading the kernel of course.
[08:40] <scoates> I take it back
[08:40] <scoates> that does work now
[08:40] <scoates> at one point it didn't, but I don't know what was in my fstab, then
[08:41] <gtwy> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=223182&page=3&highlight=uuid
[08:41] <gtwy> scoates: does that help?
[08:41] <scoates> checking
[08:42] <intelikey> garrett_novo point is you have asked a null question.  you have left us to guess at what path you are taking to try to get to a desired point.
[08:42] <gtwy> it seems the command that could help would be: ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/ -alh
[08:42] <Bubba_Gump> power manager is showing 0% charge and 0.00h remaining to charge
[08:42] <garrett_novo> intelikey: my first comment explained it...
[08:42] <Bubba_Gump> anyway to solve this power manager issue?
[08:43] <garrett_novo> I just got kubunt installed and I did a kernel update via adept.  When I rebooted my atheros drivers didn't load.  I tried manually loading them and found that they didn't automatically get rebuilt for the new kernel.  Is there an easy way to rebuild all modules when I get a kernel
[08:43] <intelikey> k then the modules are updated with the kernel.
[08:43] <garrett_novo> intelikey: so why would my madwifi module not get updated?
[08:44] <bernd_> anyone know a small live distribution i can decraese the size of my main partition with?
[08:45] <scoates> gtwy: I'll give it a whirl -- thanks
[08:45] <intelikey> cause it's marked 'hold' maybe   or because it's not part of the kernel package      or perhaps there was no change on that module....    care to do a little investigating and or explaining what you have already found.
[08:45] <intelikey> garrett_novo ^
[08:46] <scoates> next question (that I've not been able to track down).. after about 18 hours of Xorg uptime, it starts to get REALLY sluggish. I can fix this by restarting X, but that's annoying. How do I diagnose (and fix) this problem?
[08:47] <garrett_novo> intelikey:  I rebooted into the new kernel.  wireless didn't work, I did an lsmod, ath_pci was not loaded, I tried a modprobe ath_pci, it said the module was not found, I searched for the module and it was located under the old kernel modules but not the new one
[08:47] <garrett_novo> intelikey:  I have been a gentoo user in the past, so the whole adept system is something new for me
[08:48] <bernd_>  anyone know a small live distribution i can decraese the size of my main partition with?
[08:48] <intelikey> garrett_novo hmmm  have you checked the wiki's on that ?    just asking.
[08:48] <intelikey> !wifi
[08:48] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:49] <intelikey> garrett_novo also what kernel version ?
[08:50] <h3sp4wn> garrett_novo: make sure you have the correct restricted modules for your kernel version
[08:52] <h3sp4wn> garrett_novo: (you may not have restricted enabled for the security repo (which madwifi updates would come in)
[08:52] <garrett_novo> intelikey: 2.6.15-27 is the new one and 2.6.15-26 is the old
[08:53] <garrett_novo> intelikey: does a minor revision even need a module rebuild?
[08:53] <DaSkreech> hi h3sp4wn
[08:53] <h3sp4wn>  hi
[08:54] <intelikey> garrett_novo i'm not seeing that module name in any kernel i have.    and i have 2.6.26*  so what did you upgrade from ?        and to answer that question ^ generally no but the versioning may need updated in the modules them selves   i.e.  the kernel can be compiled with a version testing facility that will try to load near versions   but i'm not sure if ubuntu uses that or not.
[08:54] <garrett_novo> h3sp4wn: I have all of the repositories enabled
[08:55] <intelikey> s/2.6.26*/2.6.15-26*/ ^
[08:55] <garrett_novo> intelikey: ??
[08:55] <garrett_novo> intelikey:  ath_pci is the madwifi driver for atheros chipsets
[08:56] <garrett_novo> I used the kubuntu live cd to install from and it installed it by default
[08:57] <h3sp4wn> garrett_novo: install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[08:57] <h3sp4wn> garrett_novo: if you cannot then by definition all the repositories are not enabled
[08:57] <ubuntu> !chroot | ubuntu
[08:57] <ubotu> ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[08:57] <h3sp4wn> !info linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-27
[08:57] <ubotu> Package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-27 does not exist in any distro I know
[08:57] <h3sp4wn> !info linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-26
[08:57] <intelikey> garrett_novo restricted modules....  yes i don't have that.
[08:58] <ubotu> Package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-26 does not exist in any distro I know
[08:58] <intelikey> h3sp4wn -27 for his kernel
[08:58] <garrett_novo> I am running -26 right now
[08:58] <h3sp4wn> I was just checking whether I had typed the program name wrong (which I had)
[08:59] <garrett_novo> event not found
[08:59] <intelikey> !linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-27-386
[08:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-27-386 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:59] <intelikey> !info linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-27-386
[08:59] <ubotu> Package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-27-386 does not exist in any distro I know
[09:00] <intelikey> ubotu you are a moron/bot.
[09:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you are a moron/bot. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:00] <garrett_novo> event not found
[09:00] <intelikey> well i show that and   linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-27-686
[09:00] <garrett_novo> my kernel is -386
[09:01] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: and apt-cache policy says updates or security ?
[09:01] <h3sp4wn> (I don't have a dapper here)
[09:01] <intelikey> http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/restricted Packages
[09:02] <intelikey>   Version table:
[09:02] <intelikey>      2.6.15.12-1 0
[09:02] <intelikey>         500 http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/restricted Packages
[09:02] <h3sp4wn> 19:53 < h3sp4wn> garrett_novo: (you may not have restricted enabled for the security repo (which madwifi updates would come in)
[09:03] <h3sp4wn> (going round in circles here)
[09:03] <garrett_novo> ok, so how do i do that
[09:03] <garrett_novo> Adept, manage repositories?
[09:03] <h3sp4wn> sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:03] <h3sp4wn> or whatever editor
[09:04] <h3sp4wn> find the line that says dapper-security main - change to dapper-security main restricted
[09:04] <h3sp4wn> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[09:06] <garrett_novo> h3sp4wn: ok well its doing something now
[09:06] <garrett_novo> hope this works
[09:06] <h3sp4wn> aptitude-doc-en that is worth reading - if it doesn't work try manually installing the package
[09:06] <intelikey> heh i like  sed 's/main.*/main restricted universe multiverse/g ' /etc/apt/sources.list > sources.list && sudo mv sources.list /etc/apt       but i don't recommend it without backing up your working copy... :)
[09:07] <garrett_novo> Well, i just installed yesterday so I wouldnt lose much
[09:07] <h3sp4wn> I usually just echo the one line I need (only ever run unstable so the other repos are never used)
[09:08] <intelikey> right.  echo the editor of choice for all hackers  (when vi is not required of course)
[09:09] <garrett_novo> ok well thanks for all of the help i am going to try rebooting now
[09:09] <garrett_novo> later all
[09:09] <intelikey> why not just modprobe it ?
[09:10] <intelikey> never mind.   reboot all you want,   it's your os.
[09:10] <garrett_novo> I am running the old kernel right now
[09:10] <garrett_novo> that it works on
[09:10] <garrett_novo> thats the only way I can get online
[09:11] <intelikey> yeah i caught up   just a little late.
[09:11] <garrett_novo> yep later
[09:13] <ubuntu> !gentoo
[09:13] <ubotu> Other Linux distributions include; .deb-based: Debian, Mepis; RPM-based: RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva; Source-based: Gentoo, Slackware
[09:16] <scott_w|lappy> hehe, go on www.microsoft.com with konqueror
[09:16] <scott_w|lappy> it makes it crash xD
[09:23] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Suppose a package has no changelogs?
[09:24] <enyawix>  any one good with cups?
[09:24] <claydoh> http://www.claydoh.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=19
[09:24] <claydoh> w00t!
[09:24] <soulrider> !pastebin
[09:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:28] <lunitik> DaSkreech: all packages contain changelogs... they ought to be in /usr/share/doc/$(PACKAGE)/Changelog
[09:29] <DaSkreech> lunitik: Ah
[09:29] <soulrider> !nvdidia
[09:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvdidia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:29] <soulrider> oops
[09:29] <soulrider> !nvidia
[09:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:34] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:35] <slow-motion> nervt niht, ich mach hausaufgaben
[09:35] <slow-motion> +c
[09:37] <lunitik> !tell slow-motion about de
[09:37] <lunitik> !de
[09:37] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:37] <steveire> Any installation experts about? I want to do a more interactive install from the start. Once when I was installing (Alternate CD) I chose not to install grub, and got to a installation todo list of everything, and had to resume the installation at that point. Can I start the install interactively?
[09:37] <InkWell> how do i install the nvidia video driver?
[09:37] <steveire> !ga
[09:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ga - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:38] <Admiral_Chicago> !nvidia | InkWell
[09:38] <ubotu> InkWell: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:40] <InkWell> The file file:///home/castags/Desktop/nvida/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9625-pkg2.run is a binary, saving it will result in a corrupt file.
[09:40] <InkWell> ???
[09:41] <InkWell> what am i doing wrong or not doing?
[09:41] <Admiral_Chicago> InkWell: follow the guide
[09:43] <fireloop> hello, we're trying to configure an asus usb wireless card with kubuntu, but no luck so far. we've tried the kubuntu network administration tools, but it fails to record our parameters... Any ideas?
[09:43] <fireloop> nevertheless, the asus wl-167g card seems to be correctly recognized
[09:43] <SmrtJustin> My mute on my keyboard brings up the kmix OSD that says "Mute on" and "Mute off" but it has no affect on the volume of my audio.
[09:47] <randler> j #ubuntu-se
[09:47] <randler> sry
[09:54] <sparrw> whats the "right" way to get java working in firefox on *ubuntu?
[09:56] <ex_> anyone got a link for how to install tar gz files, <-- noob
[09:58] <ibert> in which file is the configuration of the taskbar stored?
[09:59] <InkWell> dont see Administration in system menu
[09:59] <sparrw> ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc maybe
[10:00] <ibert> sparrw: looks good
[10:01] <sparrw> The following extra packages will be installed:  gksu gnome-media-common libcroco3 libgail-common libgail18 libgda2-3 libgda2-common libgdl-1-0 libgdl-1-common  libgksu1.2-1 libgksu2-0 libgksuui1.0-1 libgnome-desktop-2 libgnome-media0 libgnomecups1.0-1 libgnomeprint2.2-0  libgnomeprint2.2-data libgnomeprintui2.2-0 libgnomeprintui2.2-common libgsf-1-114 libgsf-1-common libgtkhtml2-0  libgtksourceview-common libgtksourceview1.0-0 libgtop2-7 libgtop2-common lib
[10:01] <Tm_T> Eh?
[10:02] <poe_> tryin to install nvidia drivers followed binarydriverhowto/nvidia but when it says type the following in terminal "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" it says command not found. newbie
[10:02] <ibert> sparrw: thats it :-) Now I can easily replicate my desktops over the lan... thanks
[10:03] <sparrw> ibert: should replicate all of ~, no?  ~/.* at least?  ~/.kde/ for sure?
[10:04] <ibert> sparrw: not sure on this. jsut playing around. are you replicating it that way?
[10:05] <Ace2016> hi all
[10:06] <fran> hi
[10:06] <Ace2016> i wrote ran ./configure and make as root in my home dir, and i need to allow access to the files for me without root access
[10:06] <sparrw> ibert_: with very few exceptions, i tend to replicate the entire disk
[10:06] <Ace2016> how do i set the permissions back to my user instead of root?
[10:06] <sparrw> Ace2016: sudo chown -R username:username *
[10:07] <sparrw> thats kinda broad, but i generally dont want root to own anything under my home dir
[10:07] <Ace2016> i tried chmod 777 -R * what does that do?
[10:07] <sparrw> that means anyone can modify the files
[10:07] <sparrw> but they still belong to root
[10:08] <sparrw> also makes every file +x, which is annoying
[10:08] <Ace2016> oh oh
[10:08] <fran> anyone having trouble shutting down his/her laptop?
[10:09] <Ace2016> it still won't allow me access
[10:09] <Ace2016> ./configure: line 2488: confdefs.h: Permission denied
[10:11] <Ace2016> oh i give up, i'll redo it as root and redownload from cvs and compile when the peek time download restrictions are lifted at 11pm
[10:12] <ex_> peak
[10:12] <Ace2016> wait, there are no problems with compiling as root is there?
[10:12] <sonja-ny> Damn that was the hardest install ever , but it worked
[10:13] <Ace2016> sonja-ny: hardest install?
[10:13] <sonja-ny> Ace2016:  Kubuntu from a fresh install
[10:13] <Ace2016> tried gentoo?
[10:13] <Bubba_Gump> what is linux mint
[10:14] <sonja-ny> i have 6 live cds that work, I wanted a HDD install on an AMD 64 bit.. I am not complaining
[10:14] <Admiral_Chicago> Bubba_Gump: Ubunut with mulitmedia stuff (propriety)
[10:14] <Ace2016> Bubba_Gump: its just ubuntu, with a blue colour scheme and propriatary codecs like real and w32codecs but it still uses gnome
[10:14] <Admiral_Chicago> it's pretty much under copyright legalt problems
[10:14] <Bubba_Gump> Admiral_Chicago: i'm guessing easier to stay with ubuntu, then install your choices :)
[10:15] <Admiral_Chicago> Bubba_Gump: definetly more legal
[10:15] <Admiral_Chicago> gotta run bb on sunday
[10:15] <Bubba_Gump> :)
[10:15] <sonja-ny> Kubuntu CREW, my hat OFF, well done and Thank YOU, it froze a litle on install , but I am here live ,, most wicked ..Respect
[10:15] <Ace2016> what we need is slicK yea like mint but with KDE :) and obviously it'll look much much better
[10:15] <Ace2016> it goes without saying
[10:16] <Werzi2001> hi@ll
[10:16] <Ace2016> hi
[10:16] <sonja-ny> moin moin fishkopf
[10:16] <Ranma2264> I'm using apache2 and I can access to my test website via localhost ex:localhost/test... but when I try to use my ip to acces I get a 403 error how can I solve this?
[10:17] <Werzi2001> ist vielleicht eine dumme frage aber kann ich ein file handle eines programms schlieen (bzw. auf /dev/null umlenken)?
[10:17] <ex_> the only german i know is on the volkswagon adds
[10:17] <sonja-ny> Werzi2001:  es ist hier nur ein English chat, versuchs das -de Raum sorry
[10:18] <Werzi2001> sorry i didn't know
[10:18] <sonja-ny> Werzi2001:  dont be sorry , be happy
[10:18] <Werzi2001> is it possible to close a file handle of a running program (or redirect it to /dev/null)?
[10:19] <ijacek> !cz
[10:19] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[10:20] <sonja-ny> Werzi2001:  I would LIST my running apz and just KILL aka terminate the program
[10:20] <Werzi2001> sonja-ny: but what is when i dont want to kill the program... :(
[10:21] <jontec> hey, real quick where is the apache2.conf file on kubuntu (or can someone tell me how to bind my apache2 to an ip?)
[10:21] <Werzi2001> or when i cannot kill the program :(
[10:21] <Ace2016> sudo killall bal?
[10:21] <sonja-ny> Werzi2001: ok lets say we SAVE the parts to N email ? restart it and re Download ?
[10:21] <Ace2016> sudo killall appname?
[10:22] <Werzi2001> for example:
[10:22] <Werzi2001> i have a program that blocks /dev/dsp (sound)... i need the program... cannot kill it :(
[10:22] <Werzi2001> but i want to hear the sound of another program... what to do?
[10:23] <Ace2016> doesn't alsa do dmixing out of the box?
[10:23] <Werzi2001> is it possible to change the file handle of the program to /dev/null?
[10:23] <Werzi2001> yes but the program doesnt support alsa... just oss
[10:23] <sonja-ny> Ace2016:  YES it does
[10:23] <Ace2016> Werzi2001: use aoss
[10:24] <Werzi2001> aoss?
[10:24] <Ace2016> alsa wrapper for oss
[10:24] <sonja-ny> apt-get aoss
[10:24] <Werzi2001> and then?
[10:24] <Werzi2001> everything is fine? :)
[10:24] <Ace2016> i use to use aoss fireflx before flash supported alsa sound output
[10:24] <Ace2016> you just have to stick aoss in front of the command
[10:25] <Werzi2001> works with every programm?
[10:25] <Ace2016> well you could just try it, it should work
[10:25] <Werzi2001> ok i will :)
[10:25] <Werzi2001> thx a lot
[10:25] <Ace2016> what program is this?
[10:25] <sonja-ny> Werzi2001:  nope not all programs jusr sound !!!
[10:26] <Werzi2001> thats enough for me :)
[10:26] <sonja-ny> Werzi2001: schonnen Tag noch , und schlaff recht gut
[10:26] <Werzi2001> du auch (same to you)
[10:27] <sonja-ny> Werzi2001:  linux for life, oder Vorschprung durch technic aka Audi
[10:27] <Werzi2001> geek by nature... linux by choice ;)
[10:28] <sonja-ny> Werzi2001:  love you . i hope we helped
[10:28] <Werzi2001> yes you did :)
[10:28] <Werzi2001> thx
[10:29] <Werzi2001> bye@ll
[10:29] <Ace2016> bye
[10:30] <sonja-ny> Werzi2001: Abend und danke
[10:31] <sonja-ny> sorry about the German, I know I should have directed him else where, but we solved his problem
[10:31] <sonja-ny> my bad so sorry
[10:31] <jontec> what's the command to shutdown apache2?
[10:34] <nagyv> hello! is there any program that allows me to control my kde (and amarok) with a bluethooth device (my mobile phone)? (my infra port is not recognized, so lirc is not an option)
[10:34] <nagyv> jontec: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[10:45] <foxhound31> hello i want to load nvidia graphics but
[10:45] <foxhound31> nvidia-glx is not available for my kernel version
[10:46] <foxhound31> is it possible to compile a kernel module for my version of the kernel and is it difficult to do
[10:47] <foxhound31> i have kernel 2.6.17.10-1
[10:47] <foxhound31> and nvidia is 2.6.17.6-1
[10:48] <foxhound31> and nvidia-glx is 2.6.17.6-1
[10:49] <scoates> hi. after a while, Xorg gets really sluggish, and starts consuming larger-than-normal amounts of CPU every time I do anything. For example, the faster I type this, the higher my CPU goes. Moving windows pegs my CPU at 100%. How can I fix this (without restarting Xorg every few hours).
[10:49] <foxhound31> memory leak
[10:49] <foxhound31> hmm
[10:50] <foxhound31> not a helper here but
[10:50] <foxhound31> are you running anything that might be leaking memory
[10:51] <scoates> it doesn't _seem_ to be a memory issue. swap an ram stay pretty stable over time.. it's CPU that peaks..
[10:51] <scoates> and everything _could_ be leaking memory..
[10:51] <foxhound31> indeed
[10:52] <scoates> so.. if that's it, how do I find out what's leaking?
[10:54] <foxhound31> ah well the devils in the detail always difficult to find
[10:54] <foxhound31> and by the sound of it its not a meory leak
[10:54] <foxhound31> memory*
[10:55] <foxhound31> from what you tell me
[10:55] <foxhound31> swap an ram stay pretty stable over time
[10:55] <scoates> swap grows, but never fills
[10:56] <foxhound31> so its some process that is behaving badly
[10:56] <scoates> the worst thing is that by even holding a key down, I can peg my CPU
[10:56] <foxhound31> and causing excessive load
[10:56] <scoates> top shows Xorg eating >90% when I do that
[10:56] <scoates> (CPU)
[10:57] <dxdemetriou> can I set the /etc/environment to not translate the programs, but to support greek (el_GR.UTF8)?
[10:57] <foxhound31> so in system guard
[10:57] <foxhound31> is there anyone process
[10:58] <foxhound31> that eating up more cpu than another
[10:58] <foxhound31> its all greek to me
[10:59] <scoates> Xorg only. Everything else normally sits at below 3%
[10:59] <scoates> I've got to wonder if it's the video drive (nvidia), but I don't know how to check
[11:00] <foxhound31> on my system it only takes -5%
[11:00] <foxhound31> on my system it only takes 0.5%
[11:00] <foxhound31> and your looking at all processes not just own
[11:01] <scoates> at idle, with only ksysguard updating and konversation in the background (and a ton of other stuff open, but not visible), Xorg consumes ~10% CPU if I'm not typing, and 50%+ if I am
[11:01] <scoates> yes. Xorg is root's process
[11:01] <scoates> (for example)
[11:01] <globe> hello.  will kde-core install the desktop manager or do I have to dl all 700Megs of the kde packages?
[11:02] <jager> jesus
[11:02] <jager> this is huge
[11:03] <LjL> globe, just type "sudo apt-get install kde-core", and you'll be let known how much it's going to download, before it actually starts
[11:03] <globe> LjL: right, but will that give me the kde desktop?
[11:03] <jager> is dist-updgrading to edgy going to be much pain and darknesS?
[11:03] <LjL> globe: the core, yes
[11:03] <LjL> Ubotu, please tell globe about kde | globe, you have a private message from Ubotu
[11:03] <jager> i just started and it's crashing out
[11:04] <globe> LjL: sweet. thats only 75Megs as opposed to 750
[11:04] <foxhound31> well scoates as i say i'm not a helper here so ther isnt much else i can think of sorry to cop out
[11:05] <foxhound31> need to go
[11:05] <scoates> s'ok.
[11:05] <scoates> thanks
[11:05] <foxhound31> welcome
[11:06] <jager> bbl
[11:07] <Schalken> what is the command to have grub update it's menu?
[11:08] <LjL> Schalken: there is none. when you edit menu.lst, the changed should be reflected automatically at next boot without any intervention
[11:08] <flaccid> Schalken: /sbin/update-grub
[11:09] <Schalken> flaccid: thats the one, cheers!
[11:09] <flaccid> sweet
[11:09] <Schalken> LjL: update-grub attempts automatic kernel detection and writes it to menu.lst
[11:09] <LjL> yes, i thought you were asking something else though
[11:09] <Schalken> oh okay :)
[11:19] <animimotus> hi
[11:19] <scotchi> yo yo
[11:19] <animimotus> for my kde I look for a application like conky
[11:19] <animimotus> scotchi: :)
[11:20] <Hawkwind> animimotus: Why not just install conky, it's in the repos
[11:21] <animimotus> ah ok, it works well with kde too?
[11:21] <Hawkwind> Of course
[11:21] <animimotus> Hawkwind: I must install devilspie too?
[11:34] <hyper_ch> hiho, who is responsible for the bot in here?
[11:36] <fdoving> hyper_ch: why do you ask?
[11:36] <hyper_ch> fdoving: because it would be nice to have a german variant in the #kubuntu-de channel :)
[11:37] <fdoving> hyper_ch: seveas is responsible for it.
[11:38] <hyper_ch> fdoving: thx for the info :)
[11:40] <ronino> hi
[11:40] <globe> hello
[11:40] <ronino> How can i prevent eth0 from being started at boot? I only want wlan0 to be started
[11:41] <hyper_ch> ronino: can't you deactivate it in the network menu?
[11:41] <globe> I am getting the error "could not start kstartupconfig" from my newly installed kde session
[11:41] <ronino> hyper_ch: hmm, currently i'm in console ;-)
[11:42] <hyper_ch> ronino: you could delete it from the config
[11:42] <ronino> hyper_ch: is it that "auto eth0" line? I want to keep the config for later
[11:43] <hyper_ch> ronino: I think it is... but I've never mingled with the network config files :)
[11:43] <hyper_ch> just a backup first :)
[11:44] <ronino> hyper_ch: oki, thx
[11:45] <ronino> hyper_ch: it is indeed the "auto eth0" line
[11:45] <hirs> hi ppl
[11:48] <Xal2> Hi
[11:49] <Xal2> Where is the location of setup files specified in the Kubuntu install disk?
[11:49] <Xal2> I would like to put all the files on the Kubuntu CD in a separate folder.
[11:50] <unix_infidel> Xal2: what do you mean setup files?
[11:51] <Xal2> well all the files on the kubuntu install disk
[11:51] <Xal2> like instead of having everything in the root of the CD, everything would be in /kubuntu on the CD
[11:51] <unix_infidel> Xal2: i fail to see what purpose that serves?
[11:52] <BDDF> Xal2: what are you trying to do?
[11:52] <unix_infidel> especially when if its in a sub dir its no longer bootable.
[11:52] <Xal2> I'm trying to make a DVD that has multiple Linux distros available to install, and a few Windows installations.
[11:52] <unix_infidel> Xal2: you mean a backup?
[11:52] <Xal2> Booting isn't a problem, like I said.
[11:52] <Xal2> No
[11:52] <Xal2> I mean a DVD that I can install several different Linux distros from
[11:53] <Xal2> To do this, I need the distros in separate folders.
[11:53] <Xal2> The installer needs to know where to look for the files.
[11:53] <unix_infidel> Xal2: so how do you plan on making the the "install files" bootable when they are on the dvd?
[11:53] <Xal2> with isolinux
[11:54] <Xal2> The DVD uses CDShell which comes with isolinux.
[11:55] <unix_infidel> you mean have isolinux boot, load into RAM, and then switch out the optical media and point isolinux at the /boot of the given linux 'setup files'
[11:56] <Xal2> What do you mean by switch out?
[11:57] <unix_infidel> Xal2: i have no idea, how isolinux works.
[11:57] <unix_infidel> but you can mount the iso for the given linux distro with mount command.
[11:57] <unix_infidel> and then just cp that into whatever dest dir.
[11:57] <Xal2> That doesn't work for some reason.
[11:57] <Xal2> Oh that
[11:57] <Xal2> yeah
[11:58] <Xal2> Thats not what I need for this. Getting the files into a folder is a no brainer, but telling the installer where to find the relocated files is the tough part.
[11:58] <unix_infidel> Like i said, I have no idea how isolinux works.
[12:00] <ronino> I got a Logitech optical wheel mouse, problem: The scroll wheel only scrolls down, not up, what can i do?
[12:03] <summatusmentis> does XGL or AIGLX + Beryl or Compiz work?
[12:03] <Hawkwind> summatusmentis: Yes
[12:03] <Hawkwind> !beryl | summatusmentis
[12:03] <ubotu> summatusmentis: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[12:04] <summatusmentis> Hawkwind, thanks, I'll potentially be coming from a debian etch install where I couldn't get it working
[12:06] <summatusmentis> does ubuntu have the same issues debian was w/ mozilla?
[12:07] <Xal2> What issues?
[12:07] <soulrider> hey Hawkwind
[12:08] <k_osh> !raid
[12:08] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[12:08] <summatusmentis> Xal2, copyright issues, causing all mozilla products to be renamed in the debian repos
[12:09] <summatusmentis> because debian didn't want to submit their patches to mozilla before releasing it