=== azeem [n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] Who works on kickstart? [12:14] jdong: so everything working fine? :) [12:14] pygi: well , with one test project yes [12:14] I'm still testing [12:14] jdong: bleh, who needs testing ^_^ [12:14] but I'll let it thru backports since you seem so confident :) [12:15] mpt: kamion, i imagine [12:16] jdong: ^_^ [12:16] ta neuralis === guy [n=guy@d54C1514A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon16845.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta_ [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-39-80.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont_ [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont_ grumbles and tries to remember why gdm would say 'The system administrator has disabled access to the system temporarily" [12:26] probably because the system administrator has disabled access to the system temporarily :) [12:26] /etc/nologin? [12:26] lamont_: /etc/nologin? [12:27] snap [12:27] no such file === twb [n=twb@CPE-155-143-208-237.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] HrdwreBoB: I most certainly did not (intentionally) disable access [12:27] then again, I was silly enough to upgrade to edgy === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] Good day. I build modified live cds, and I'm migrating from Knoppix to Ubuntu as a base. Where is the code on the etch livecd that sets up dhcp ethernet? Somehow I'm losing it when I modify the image. [12:29] ah... it's all fallout from ldap going completely belly up === lamont_ switches screens === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-63-17.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-136-77.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] Hmm, never mind. [12:34] Ethernet is working again in my modified CD; perhaps I was just being impatient before. === twb [n=twb@CPE-155-143-208-237.vic.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["rcirc] === Seeker` [n=Kryis@195-112-32-183.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@39-88-199-200.vcnet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas_ [n=dean@host-84-9-168-67.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] Mithrandir: pppoeconf? I also filed a bug for that, #72370 [12:44] Mithrandir: ldap in nsswitch.conf seems to be bustificated in edgy. [12:47] how very bizare... [12:47] getent works, but finger doesn't.... [12:47] lamont: yes, and that is a bad thing [12:48] means I need to keep a feisty client to test, so this sort of thing doesn't happen again [12:51] Burgwork: and more to the point, logging in doesn't... [12:52] how something like snuck through, I have no idea [12:53] Burgwork: I care about that for fiesty.... But for the moment, I just want to fix it so that I can upgrade the rest of the house to edgy... [12:53] you run an ldap server just for your house [12:53] ? === gasbag [n=gasbag@68-189-241-88.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] Burgwork: maybe he has a large house :-) [12:55] <_ion> Since when is it wrong to use a ldap server for a small number of computers? :-) [12:56] infinity: around ? [12:58] does the server contain a fridge ou? [12:58] Burgwork: sure. why wouldn't I? [12:58] beats creating logins everywhere [12:58] sure, if it is easy enough to setup [12:58] Burgwork: trivial [12:58] once you know how... [12:59] and probably fun when learning how...for some definitions of fun. [12:59] dsas: it wasn't too bad... [12:59] lamont: got a few minutes to write up some docs? I pulled my hair out this morning just getting a viable test server running to do security update tests. :P [12:59] keescook: well, step one is getting edgy to work [12:59] lamont: heh. [12:59] anyone seen how samba is getting on with Active Directory import? [01:00] I was of the impression they were after in place import and replacement of domain controller functionality? [01:01] lamont: yeah, libnss-ldap needs put into edgy-updates [01:01] lamont: assuming it's the timeout issue for boot that you've struck [01:02] ajmitch: I had timeouts... but the other part was that the login process can't find any users... [01:02] iz this fixed already somewhere? [01:05] er, I haven't come across that one, nor has it been reported [01:06] gdm has some issues if you don't restart it [01:06] but console logins have been fine in my experience [01:06] gdm is pretty flaky [01:07] pam_access.so might be the culprit in part === lamont tries sid's libnss-ldap [01:07] sid's one has fixes for timeouts [01:08] I can't help but think that maybe it's trying to use SASL where I don't support it... === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [01:09] you said that getent worked though? [01:10] Restarting Name Service Cache Daemon: nscd/usr/sbin/nscd: option `--invalidate' requires an argument [01:10] ajmitch: yep [01:11] edgy living up to its name === DrPepperKid [n=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] nscd was changed to require a table (passwd, group, hosts), instead of letting --invalidate do all of them. or so it would seem [01:19] so... libnss-ldap 238-1.1ubuntu1 works (dapper), and 251-5.2 and -7 don't [01:20] -7 doesn't? that's a worry [01:20] ajmitch: in my configuration [01:20] now to figure out what's so different [01:21] sigh. high touch differences === DrPepperKid is now known as MacSlow [01:28] <_ion> Wow. Feisty was smart enough to inform that "The Wireless mouse device attached to this computer is low in power (14%). This device will soon stop functioning if not charged." [01:31] _ion: that is gnome-power-manager in action [01:34] <_ion> I'm not sure whether HAL reported the mouse charge level in Edgy. [01:36] Burgwork: I'll try 253 just for giggles === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-3cdffe84c8bf2c00] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] Gman, hi Glynn [01:40] hey MacSlow [01:41] Burgwork: fixed in 253 [01:41] Gman, I might run into you (via email) regarding some hints I got from Paul Byrne when I met him at the ubuntu developer summit [01:42] 253 Luke Howard [01:42] * fix crasher if an empty buffer is passed to [01:42] initgroups (glibc NSS only) [01:42] lamont: excellent [01:42] Burgwork: I bet that's it... [01:42] MacSlow, ok cool, i know paul well [01:42] afternoon Gman === jdub [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] re jdub [01:42] morning jdub [01:42] lamont: thanks, hopefully the same behaviour can be seen in debian so it can be forced through there [01:42] Gman, good to know [01:43] hi ajmitch [01:44] mdz told me last week there may be a TB meeting on tuesday, but I can't find any mention of it anywhere. anyone else heard anything? === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slavik [n=slavik@67-100-227-140.adsl.lbdsl.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slavik [n=slavik@67-100-227-140.adsl.lbdsl.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === dsas_ [n=dean@host-84-9-168-32.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.2.202] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gasbag [n=gasbag@68-189-241-88.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === auxesis_ is now known as auxesis [01:59] minghua, ping regarding your gpg key [02:01] Mez: pong. what's wrong with my key? [02:01] I dont know - but I'm getting a "BAD signature" [02:02] uh-oh. [02:02] which file did you get the bad sig? [02:03] your brasero upload - the email [02:03] Mez: that's not unusual [02:03] if launchpad has accepted it, the signature was fine [02:03] ah, kk [02:04] yeah, most likely some line break stuff === eggauah [n=daniel@201.72.63.61] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] infinity: so, icheck is not able to be automatically used - it needs to much hooking-in. === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.2.202] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@host81-155-182-237.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D951A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.146.23] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rmjb is now known as rmjb|Heroes === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-122.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.2.202] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.2.202] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rmjb|Heroes is now known as rmjb === freet15 [n=freet15@61.149.2.202] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KnowledgEngi [n=xxxx@host-84-221-147-132.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:23] hello [04:23] in this channel there is somebody that work in the ubuntu comunity??? [04:24] somebody that is a ubuntu developer [04:24] becouse using synaptic is not possible to install a Low-Latency kernel [04:25] and midi softwares like rosegarden need a Low-Latency kernel [04:29] KnowledgEngi: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+filebug [04:30] KnowledgEngi: could you include information about what would need to be done---eg. the URL of patches, configuration options or GIT trees to apply [04:30] KnowledgEngi: I believe that low latency patches are already in. [04:32] KnowledgEngi: it's addressed already in feisty [04:32] but i do not know if low-latency is sufficent [04:32] is possible that rosegarden need particular kernel configuration [04:32] KnowledgEngi: it's much too invasive for breezy, dapper, and edgy [04:35] i have not other chanse [04:35] rosegarden need a particular kernel [04:35] and return me error about kernel [04:35] since when has rosegarden required a specific kernel? [04:37] The resolution of the timer of system is too much low Rosegarden has not found one source of the timer to high resolution for reproduction MIDI. This could mean that a Linux with one is being used kernel resolution of the timer too much low. It contacts your Linux distributor for having more information. [04:38] the translation italian-english is not perfect [04:38] becouse i used google translator [04:40] if you try to install rosegarden4 using synaptic and run it [04:40] you can see the error [04:40] in english [04:40] but my ubuntu is setted with italian language [04:41] i asked in the channel #rosegarden but nobody give me an answare === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DA6EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:49] stupid midi [04:49] ufff === didymo [n=ashley@61.9.197.223] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [04:55] someone use rosegarden under ubuntu ??? [04:58] please redirect to #ubuntustudio or #ubuntu === mruiz [n=mruiz@pc-134-66-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@pc-134-66-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bytes!"] === mnepton [n=mneptok@montreal.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === YokoZar [n=scott@c-71-197-86-67.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@di-net.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KnowledgEngi [n=xxxx@host-84-221-147-132.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Sto] === YokoZar [n=scott@c-71-197-86-67.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:24] morning === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zOrK [n=eclipse@c-66-176-68-228.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === surge [n=highvolt@196.1.57.88] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack_ [n=rudi@p508D91C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-122.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:10] ajmitch: ping? === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.1.103.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-083-102-068-117.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === bushidom [n=groensas@adsl-89-217-142-82.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bushidom [n=groensas@adsl-89-217-142-82.adslplus.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:39] fabbione: pong [06:39] ajmitch: mdadm is fixed now. [06:39] ok, thanks === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:39] ajmitch: if you can distupgrade you should be able to reboot just fine [06:39] ajmitch: you want to make sure to upgrade also lvm-common [06:39] and please let me know if it's still an issue [06:39] what is the command to get a list of locally installed packages? [06:39] upgraded them both earlier [06:40] sort of like what synaptic shows under its locally installed / obsolete list [06:40] jdong: dpkg --get-selections * [06:40] ah locally? [06:40] no [06:40] fabbione: that wouldn't work :D [06:40] that's the full list [06:40] right [06:40] ajmitch: ok [06:40] ajmitch: did mdadm upgrade smoothly? [06:40] I believe so === jamesh [n=james@203-59-208-48.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sloof3|arr [n=sloof3@72.20.219.47] has joined #ubuntu-devel === evand [n=evand@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:47] any other suggestions? :) [06:56] jdong: sudo apt-get install grep-dctrl moreutils; sudo dselect update; combine <(grep-dctrl -nsPackage -FStatus ' installed' /var/lib/dpkg/status) not <(grep-dctrl -nsPackage '' /var/lib/dpkg/available) [06:57] requires bash; dselect update is required to get /var/lib/dpkg/available up to date [06:57] cjwatson: thanks, now let me digest that :D [06:57] actually you can get rid of the dselect update if you use this instead: [06:57] combine <(grep-dctrl -nsPackage -FStatus ' installed' /var/lib/dpkg/status) not <(apt-cache dumpavail | grep-dctrl -nsPackage '') [06:58] ah, so look in dpkg/status for packages not in apt-cache dumpavail [06:58] makes sense [06:59] correct [07:00] `dpkg --get-selections | awk '$2 == "install" { print $1 }` would be identical to the first grep-dctrl call, right? [07:00] No. [07:00] selections don't mean something's installed. [07:01] selections => desired state not actual state [07:01] ok [07:01] good point [07:01] But "dpkg -l \* | grep ^i | awk '{print $2}'" works. [07:01] haven't considered that [07:01] infinity: I think I'll choose the pretty looking grep-dctrl call :D [07:02] that grep-dctrl is technically a layering violation since /var/lib/dpkg/status is an implementation detail of dpkg, but ... [07:02] meh, it works, I don't complain :) [07:04] dpkg-query -W -f '${Package} ${Status}\n' | grep ' installed$' | cut -d' ' -f1 [07:04] ^-- bit neater I suppose [07:04] I like mine better. :) [07:04] ooh [07:04] Less typing. [07:04] lol [07:05] infinity: I wasn't certain if it would deal correctly with very long package names [07:05] looks like it probably does [07:05] cjwatson: It does, because when dpkg-query output is sent to stdout, it exapnds the columns. [07:05] ah yes [07:05] Err, sent to stdin of another process. [07:05] Whatever. [07:05] Piped. Brain. Explode. === pygi [n=mario@83-131-75-254.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:05] I should have booked a week of VAC after the conferences. [07:06] We should put moreutils in main. It's neat. [07:06] infinity: any brain power available for the security LP uploads? I've got people wondering why only edgy's update exists. :) [07:06] Isn't sponge one of yours? [07:06] Or was that a joeyism? [07:07] infinity: the concept was originally mine, although I believe it was rewritten, possibly by Tolef [07:07] keescook: I'm working on it, drescher's dying from I/O contention, so I'm working on it rather slowly. [07:07] er, Tollef [07:07] wait a sec [07:07] would that work if a local package is a newer version of a repository package? [07:07] cjwatson: pee is cute. [07:07] infinity: okay, cool. is there anything you need from me, or do you see all the files you need? [07:07] keescook: I should have everything I need. [07:07] vipe is rather neat too [07:09] though somebody without their brain screwed in made sponge able to output to stdout, which is just SILLY [07:09] somebody pinged me? [07:09] jdong: synaptic won't display that as obsolete/local either ... [07:09] yay for moreutils in main. I use isutf8 [07:09] infinity: okay, great. I'm off to bed. [07:10] cjwatson: really? I never noticed that === jdong compares [07:10] jdong: (at least, dselect never has, and I assume synaptic uses roughly the same algorithm) === crimsun boggles at the ACCEPTed for flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.21.78~ubuntu1 immediately followed by a REJECTed [07:10] cjwatson: oh but synaptic does :) [07:11] well, that's much harder then. :) [07:11] cjwatson: yeah, I got that much :) [07:11] cjwatson: when do you think you can merge lsb? [07:12] fabbione: I'll do it later today [07:12] didn't know it was urgent [07:12] cjwatson: that'd be great thanks. [07:12] no it's not urgent but i am fighting an issue in an init script where something in lsb is returning 1 on ubuntu but 0 on debian [07:12] and i can't exactly figure what it is [07:13] so i was hoping that a merge would fix that [07:13] tell me what the init script is and I'll check it out when I do the merge [07:13] it could just as easily be our usplash changes or similar [07:13] it's mdadm-raid but there is a workaround in place atm [07:13] oh might be yeah [07:14] cjwatson: would it be a fair assumption that packages in main all end in ubuntu [07:14] There was just an LSB upload in Debian that fixed some return codes. [07:14] jdong: no [07:14] I saw it fly by on my buildd a day or three ago. [07:14] jdong: "ubuntu" in a version number implies that we've locally modified it; no more, no less. [07:14] i can't find what provides log_to_console [07:14] that seems to be the culprit [07:15] infinity: yes i did try lsb from debian but it doesn't really help [07:15] * log_use_fancy_output() had unintended behavior under set -e. [07:15] (Thanks to Steve Langesek for the heads-up.) [07:15] infinity: but ya know.. mixing != not good [07:15] fabbione: I'll check it out later. [07:15] infinity: already tested that [07:15] infinity: speaking of buildd's, can you make it that -backports builds against -updates? [07:15] fabbione: (I know where all the pieces live) [07:15] fabbione: mdadm has a bunch of its own logging functions, doesn't it? [07:15] cjwatson: ok thanks, just bear in mind that our mdadm-raid will work (workaround in place) you will need the one from debian [07:15] infinity: only small wrappers. they are ok tho [07:15] I'm capable of spotting workarounds === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:16] cjwatson: i am 100% confident in your God alike skillz.. otherwise i wouldn't have asked ;) [07:16] jdong: Yeah, I can. Can you mail that request to me? [07:16] jdong: I can't do it RIGHT NOW, so a reminder would be good. :) [07:16] infinity: will do :) [07:18] - log_problem "no $*" [07:18] + log_dev 0 $1 "no $*" [07:18] I assume that's the workaround [07:18] yeps [07:18] log_problem is a wrapper in mdadm-raid [07:18] so is log_dev === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:24] fabbione: yeah, it's just a bug in our lsb-base-logging.sh; I'll go through it all and make sure it's consistent [07:24] but first, an hour or two more of sleep ... === dade` [n=dade@nectarine/admin/dade] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-238-192.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:38] pitti's repo doesn't seem to have libfreetype dbgsyms [07:40] bluefoxicy: One would assume that it hasn't been uploaded since we turned on that feature, then. [07:41] infinity: it's got one of the most CPU-active pieces of code in it, apparently. [07:41] somewhere around fifth on my list (only watching gaim, thunderbird, firefox,rhythmbox though) [07:42] 00000000 40442 2.2060 (no location information) libfreetype.so.6.3.10 gaim (no symbols) [07:42] ^^^ I'd like to know what symbol that is :P [07:43] Rebuilding it should do. :) [07:43] I'll pass. I can wait a few weeks. === lorenzod [n=lorenzod@80.87.77.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:43] infinity: I made strlen() 4 times faster [07:44] apparently glibc contains an optimized one that deals in 4 byte words at a time instead of byte by byte [07:44] and tries to use some funky analysis to find the null bytes [07:45] for a 5 byte string it's 6 seconds for a naive algorithm vs 12 seconds for glibc's to do 10 iterations of 1,000,000,000 strlen() calls [07:45] err, not 6 seconds, 1.75 seconds.. hang on. === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:46] infinity: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ojJGja70.html Like that :> === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:46] why am I even talking about this. === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:47] http://rafb.net/paste/results/6JMwu456.html my_strlen() is glibc, n_strlen() is naive, for anyone that actually cares about what I was babbling on about. sleep. === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfrost [n=timfrost@222-155-146-246.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lorenzod [n=lorenzod@80.87.77.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GmanAFK is now known as Gman === Hobbsee [n=IceChat7@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mnepton [n=mneptok@montreal.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dade` [n=dade@nectarine/admin/dade] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === timfrost [n=timfrost@222-155-146-246.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:02] lamont: libnss-ldap? === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=glatzor@p57AEFB26.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@56.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lorenzod [n=lorenzod@80.87.77.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TerminX [i=84e3e8ed@adsl-68-122-5-124.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freet15 [n=freet15@61.149.2.202] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.2.202] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] hey sabdfl [09:42] hey hey fabio [09:50] greetings sabdfl [09:55] hi Hobbsee [09:59] morning mark === cjo20 [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@88-107-4-166.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-f87a3835bc88bb92] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=IceChat7@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-30-76.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] morning all [10:24] hey sivang , you sleep too much ^_^ [10:25] hi pygi , nice to see you too [10:25] sivang: hehe ^_^ === sivang goes to see why n-d won't play nice with the merged remaining ubuntu changes === snowblink [n=snowblin@wind.snowblink.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === user__ [n=user@81.58.38.138] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === surge [n=highvolt@196.1.57.88] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kagou [n=Kagou@84.5.173.79] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] hi === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fnordus [n=dnall@24.85.128.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdf1 [n=sabdfl@195.3.239.39] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === laxer [n=Lax@83.228.50.228] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-136-77.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:31] ogra: why does the ubuntu pulseaudio packaging disable jack and asyncns ? their not in main or so ? === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:40] sjoerd: jack is AFAIK deliberately not in main, and asyncns got synced after the initial pulseaudio packaging (so can be turned back on RSN) [11:47] Lathiat: around? [11:47] cjwatson: ok, so jack will stay the pulseaudio debian <> ubuntu diff then [11:48] sivang: ya [11:50] Lathiat: I've found something similar to something I Need to patch in n-d, http://avahi.org/ticket/71 , but I can't seem to find DBUS_VERSION_{MAJOR,MINOR} in the source distro anymore, do you know if this has been completely replaced by DBUS_{MAJOR,MINOR}_PROTOCOL_VERSION with the switch to 1.0.1 ? [11:51] sjoerd: that's my understanding, but only as an ftpmaster who wondered verbally what the same diff was for a couple of weeks back :) [11:51] heh, ok :) === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:55] sivang: thats done by avahi customly [11:55] line 413 of configure.ac [11:55] DBUS_VERSION=`$PKG_CONFIG dbus-1 --modversion` [11:55] DBUS_VERSION_MAJOR=`echo $DBUS_VERSION | awk -F. '{print $1}'` [11:55] etc === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:56] Lathiat: I see, I might have to include something like this then, if it's not already included by upstream, thanks [11:57] nps [11:59] Lathiat: yep, upstream uses the same hack === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-90-253.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] shouldn't tg3 ethernet be supported OOTB on dapper? I can't install a Fujitsu Esprimo with it, edgy works === dsas [n=dean@cpc2-stok6-0-0-cust395.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] ie. it isn't detected on boot [12:08] (netboot) === Fujitsu wonders why he would want to have Edgy installed on him in the first place. [12:09] heh [12:09] Fujitsu: you are safe ;) === chris77^ [n=ctam@217.31.69.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] tepsipakki: lspci -n [12:14] Keybuk: Can I convince you to let gcl into dapper-proposed? Pretty please? [12:14] keybuk: doesn't work on the installation console, but I'll try with a live-cd [12:14] Fujitsu: I don't deal with SRU [12:15] Hello. Where can I tell the Ubuntu installer to copy additional files and add new users to /etc/passwd as well as set some permissions? === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] chris77^: preseed/late_command; see the installation guide for details [12:15] Keybuk: It's been approved by motu-sru... [12:17] Evidently, that's what he thinks. :-P [12:18] Apparently. [12:18] Fujitsu: I think approving also requires checking the uploaded source versus the debdiff in the bug report. [12:18] Probably, yes. [12:18] Keybuk: does it matter which version I use (dapper, edgy..) [12:18] ? [12:19] where did /proc/pci go, btw? [12:19] /proc/pci is long dead. [12:20] ok, well it would be nice to have lspci in busybox, then :) [12:20] try poking in /proc/bus/pci/ [12:21] too cryptic [12:22] all it showed in human readable for was the uhci/ehci-stuff === Gman is now known as GmanZZZ [12:22] forM [12:23] tepsipakki: anna-install pciutils-udeb [12:23] oh .) [12:23] :) [12:23] cjwatson: Do /you/ do SRUs? [12:24] I'll try that [12:24] Fujitsu: yes, but not *right* now :-) [12:24] Aww. [12:24] fabbione: fixed your lsb-base bug [12:25] cjwatson: If you could do it when you have the time, it would be great. [12:25] I will [12:25] Thanks! [12:26] cjwatson: thanks a lot [12:29] Keybuk: ok, lspci -n showed this for the network card: "000.... 14e4:167b rev. 02" [12:30] fabbione: thank you for the mdadm fix looks like it is fixed [12:30] might have spoke too soon === hunger gets lots of lines starting with W: when upgrading mdadm. [12:31] yep [12:32] gnomefreak: What was the problem with your machine? === Hobbsee [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] they are just warnings. nothing fatal [12:32] Fujitsu: nothing other than updating mdadm and lvm-common. others couldnt boot [12:32] Yes, I've noticed my machine now boots :) [12:33] now just a flash install issue [12:33] there is some stuff i need to discuss with madduck === PecisDarbs [n=pecisk@62.85.86.242] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Aizeju] [12:33] and wait for Keybuk to move some mdadm/lvm stuff into udev === hunger is annoyed by python-sip4 not being able to get updated. === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@200164208193.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-83-243.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak keeps getting python crash popups although no py updates that i remember (annoying not important [12:41] apt seems to also be crashing === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] when using %post --nochroot (using kickstart) and untarring foo, the progressbar is not moving at all. Is this a known issue? [12:43] user__: please check malone [12:44] Hobbsee: up-to-date feisty does your apt segfault? [12:44] gnomefreak: hasnt so far, i just used it [12:44] user__: there's no progress bar for %post unless you implement it yourself [12:45] ok let me try booting difffernet kernel (shouldnt help though) [12:45] at least, no progress bar updates [12:45] cjwatson, that's odd, because it displays one. [12:45] ah. [12:45] user__: yes, that's just the general finish-install progress bar [12:45] I don't regard this as a bug [12:45] cjwatson, what file is it that would need modifcation? [12:46] user__: well, (a) your %post script to source the debconf confmodule and add suitable db_progress commands, (b) finish-install to allocate a different amount of space for the progress bar [12:47] user__: honestly, I'd just leave it alone - that progress bar is calculated based on the number of finish-install scripts that are available, and it's going to be pretty fiddly to change it === fsmw [n=Fernando@200.72.33.77] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] ok, i'm extracting a huge tarrbal there, is there a way to redirect the output to the install setup easly from %post? [12:48] so one thing you could do is make the info messages change but not actually move the progress bar; that would be less fiddle [12:48] if a user that uses the product doesn't see a progressbar moving while the huge tarrbal is extracing the user could suspect the instalation failed/froze [12:48] fiddly [12:49] however, in order to do that you're going to have to arrange for a shell command to be called after extracting each file (note that this will slow down the extraction a lot if there are many small files) [12:51] I wonder if busybox is supporting this [12:51] feel free to elborate [12:51] busybox? normal tar doesn't even support this easily - you'd have to get a list of all files and extract them each by hand [12:52] you also need a debconf template somewhere that you can subst into in order to pass to db_progress INFO === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-353f94e603f1c2cc] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] I suppose you could abuse one of base-installer's [12:53] given that, it would be '. /usr/share/debconf/confmodule' at the top of your %post script, and 'db_progress SUBST base-installer/debootstrap/info/extracting SUBST0 "$filename"; db_progress INFO base-installer/debootstrap/info/extracting' before extracting each file [12:54] Keybuk: ping [12:54] user__: I leave the tar integration up to you :-) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] whats the chances of mdadm messing with apt/aptitude? [12:56] gnomefreak: seems exceedingly unlikely [12:57] it was a long shot [12:57] tepsipakki: Note that Keybuk isn't actually in the channel at the moment. [12:57] duh [12:57] "tar integration" is a fantastic euphemism for UDS smoke breaks [12:57] missed that [01:02] cjwatson, sjoerd, right i disabled jack on pittis request ... libasyncns will be enabled again if its ok for main (nobody seems to know exactly what its needed for) ... [01:08] while Keybuk is away does anyone know how I can debug further this tg3 madness.. lspci lists the device as unknown, but the ID is 14e4:167b [01:09] that just means lspci's database is out of date, and is irrelevant [01:10] www.pcidatabase.com doesn't know about 167b either === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] tepsipakki: your symptoms usually just mean that some kernel module needs to have the id added to its MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE [01:12] yes, tg3 doesn't have that in 2.6.15../modules.pcimap, but in 2.6.17 it is [01:13] there you go then [01:13] unless 2.6.15 has the new_id stuff in /sys, the only thing you can do is rebuild that module === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] and no hope for getting support added for dapper? === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgmobile [n=jsgmobil@121.97.196.127] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bytee_ [n=byte@fedora/byte] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=user@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=tomb@host81-155-182-237.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] tepsipakki: it's not necessarily impossible; talk to BenC [01:29] ok, I'll file a bug first === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === realist [n=realist@unaffiliated/realist] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Enola_Gay [n=enola@dslb-084-056-218-111.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] hi all [01:47] Is it possible to integrate in Feisty a grub repair function on cd/dvd? [01:48] Since it is very hard for beginners to chroot and repair grub. === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] Enola_Gay: a GUI tool? [01:50] realist: wouldnt really help, if X were broken. === jinty [n=jinty@137.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] unless it's on a live CD type install disc. also having grub and X broken is probably not a good sign ;) [01:53] I presumed they were talking about a live CD [01:53] Enola_Gay: there's already such a function on the alternate install CD; boot in rescue mode [01:53] yeah well. that being said, installing ubuntu first, and mounting the windows partition by default, then reinstalling windows, will stop your ubuntu from booting, and drop you in a rescue shell until you figure how to get out of it. [01:53] from edgy up [01:54] on the desktop CD, we assume that desktop facilities will be available; if not, somebody who speaks the desktop's language should write them :-) [01:54] (that's after you reinstall grub, to fix the mbr that windows thrashed) === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@243.197-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:05] Hobbsee: ctcp? [02:06] realist: sorry, wrong button [02:06] realist: meant to do a whois, and missed. [02:07] oh, gui client? [02:08] realist: yes. Hobbsee|Remote is irssi === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-74-130.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21]