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elkbuntui believe it may be days before we see whipru... err.. wiiprush around12:07
tsmithewiiprush?12:11
wiiprushtsmithe: yo12:12
elkbuntulol12:12
elkbuntumaybe i be wrong12:13
elkbuntuhow is it you pried yourself from your new toy?12:13
wiiprushtennis elbow. :p12:13
tsmithetoy?12:13
elkbuntulol12:13
jendawhat's the toy?12:13
tsmithewii?12:13
jendawhat's a wii?12:13
wiiprushit's a nintendo12:13
jendaI know I saw that somewhere...12:13
jendaaha12:14
jendasue them for the elbow12:14
tsmithedoesnt know about wii!!!12:15
tsmithewhere are they out?12:15
=== jenda isn't a gamer.
jendacan you install linux on it?12:16
=== jenda is installing a mandriva 2007 on his lappy
jendaI got it a lot earlier than it get 'out there' from the source :)12:17
tsmithenot mandriva! it always annoyed me12:17
jendaoops it seems to have screwed up my PC good :)12:35
elkbuntulol12:36
jendayes :) ubuntu boots...12:38
jendaalthough there is something wrong with my /home12:39
jendahere is /me from my Ubuntu to prove it :)12:40
elkbuntudid you try share a /home?12:42
jendayes :)12:43
elkbuntuusing the same DE?12:43
jendais that illegal?12:43
jendayep12:43
elkbuntuno.. but afaik, mandriva and ubuntu do things slightly different ;)12:43
jendaGnome12:43
jendaindeed :)12:43
jendawooo it's fun being jenda from two PCs at once. I say somethnig here, and on the other one it looks as if I said it there :)12:44
elkbuntuhehe12:44
jendaand now it even beeped, as I said my name :)12:44
jendaneat - it's also a way to be connected to ICQ from two spots.12:45
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jendaattempt 201:05
elkbuntujenda, for the tshirts, i'd advise taking orders until you get a certain number then having the shirts done. that way you order # x Small, # x Medium, # x Large, # x XL and so forth01:10
jendahmm01:11
elkbuntui dont think you'll have any problem finding 50 something people wanting an OBEY shirt01:11
jendaGood idea. will do.01:11
elkbuntuand you can always do a round 201:12
jenda10001:12
jenda100 is the number to get bulk discount.01:12
jendaattempt #3 :) brb01:13
jendawell, brb is an overstatement, I, the server, am still around :)01:13
jendaSUCCESS :)01:14
elkbuntuhehe01:15
elkbuntuyou might end up needing to do a batch of the posse ones too01:17
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lotusleafdarn, no boingboing post about those posters today ;(06:06
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Madpilothttp://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4646261136.html10:42
MadpilotYet Another SABDFL Interview10:43
lotusleafr0x0r thx10:43
=== tonyyarusso wonders what we would have to do to get him interviewed outside of tech news
tonyyarussoI'm thinking BBC11:09
lotusleaftonyyarusso: you know, I've been wondering that, too. I noticed the media relations area is still not fleshed out in the marketing area11:12
tonyyarussolotusleaf: Yeah, we're a bit lacking there11:12
lotusleaftonyyarusso: I think snail mail and/or phone calls should be made11:12
tonyyarussoI'd love to have some really solid stuff to send to local news, b/c I'm not the best person to write those11:12
tonyyarussoI wrote up a little press release for Dapper, but it could probably be made to sound a lot better11:13
lotusleafthat's cool, I hope this area of marketing develops11:14
tonyyarussoAnother place I think would be awesome: The Daily Show11:14
lotusleafyup11:14
tonyyarussoIt's got just the audience11:14
tonyyarussoYoung, in tune with current events, willing to try new things, and generally intelligent11:15
lotusleafthat would be something to propose on the mailing list for sure11:15
tonyyarussoWhat do you think would be the way to approach it?  Ask everyone on the mailing list to send letters requesting them?11:16
elkbuntuits a good start11:16
tonyyarussoI'll see if I can whip up something for people to work from this weekend, and send something out11:17
elkbuntubest idea is to construct a list of vulnerable newsgroups to focus on11:19
tonyyarussoSuch as?11:22
tonyyarussoI gotta try to grab a nap at least before I have to go through another day.  Bye all.11:29
lotusleafcya tonyyarusso11:46
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MenZajenda: stickers shipped01:57
lotusleafMenZa: say that 12 times really fast ;)01:58
MenZaXD01:58
lotusleaf:P01:58
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jendaMenZa: I shipped all I had today, so if yours weren't in the last batch, they definitely went today.04:05
MenZa:d04:05
MenZa:D*04:05
macluvjayI may be late to the party, but I really like the t-shirts, jenda04:32
macluvjayI would really like to see the brown ones, but will be happy with a black and white04:33
jendamacluvjay: It seems the brown ones are more popular, so once the manufacturers respond my first inquiries, I'll ask them about that too.04:36
macluvjaygreat04:36
lotusleafjenda: you rolling out t-shirts now?04:36
jendaI don't think it should make a difference, as long as their supplier makes the right color (brown)04:37
jendalotusleaf: nah, what makes you think so?04:37
jendaThe fun part is that I don't have enough money for the project :)04:37
lotusleaf<macluvjay> I may be late to the party, but I really like the t-shirts, jenda04:37
jendadamn, macluvjay, you gave me away.04:37
lotusleaflol04:37
macluvjayoops04:37
macluvjay;)04:37
jendalotusleaf: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30355704:38
lotusleafthx04:38
jendamacluvjay: thanks for the support ;)04:39
macluvjayalways04:39
jendaI need about $200 more to be able to afford the project ($600)04:39
jenda(or... I could sell some of my stashed away USD to CZK, that would make it sooner...)04:40
lotusleafthx for the thread link, wish I could help $$ wise04:41
lotusleafwill there be a minimum order amt?04:42
lotusleafdarn, brown won, I'd buy a white on black tshirt ;)04:43
jendaYes, there will be a minimum order amount.04:44
jendareally?04:44
jendahmm04:44
jendai'll ask what the options are.04:44
jendathe printer won't be happy :)04:44
lotusleafhaha, well just go with what the majority want04:45
jendaminimum order amount:04:45
jenda1 t-shirt04:45
lotusleafafter all, those of us who want it bad enough can make our own shirts04:45
macluvjayfor EVERYONE!04:45
lotusleafhaha nice min amt ;)04:45
macluvjayin the WORLD!04:45
jendatrue :)04:45
jendahehe, that would be quite a business.04:45
lotusleafjenda: tiny jendafish logo at the seams?04:45
jendaIt would remind me of Microsoft too much, though.04:45
jendanah :)04:46
jendathe Ubuntu logo is enough...04:46
lotusleafthese shirts are a great idea, esp. the roughcut design04:46
lotusleafthey gonna bring a lot of people to google ;)04:46
jenda04:46
lotusleafubuntu? what's that?04:46
jendaOK, I gotta roll.04:46
lotusleafjenda: cu04:46
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jendaAKA sports.04:47
jendaeww....04:47
jendaanyway, gbye :)04:47
lotusleaftyping isn't a sport?04:47
lotusleaf:P04:47
jendanot on the dvorak. It's too easy :)04:48
lotusleaf:S04:48
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poningruwoot06:56
poningrugot a job as sysadmin06:56
poningrupart time06:56
Burgworkcool07:12
poningruyeah they use all debian07:28
poningruand one of their reqs is help out with deb dev somehow07:29
poningrulike support or something07:29
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jendamdke, ping09:45
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mdkepong09:45
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tsmithesorry09:45
tsmithehe's not in09:45
jendagrrr09:45
tsmithei have a user list ;)09:46
jendaso do I :)09:46
tsmithebeing only 24 long in this channel it's quite easy to scan ;)09:46
jendaI'm too tired to realise that typing manually won't fix tab-completion not working :/09:46
jenda09:47
tsmithewell, do you try and tab-complete english?09:47
jendahm?09:50
tsmitheas in, you are too lazy to type properly and write the beginning of the word, press tab, and expect the rest to pop up?09:50
rED_HErrINGi do that09:51
rED_HErrINGespecially with long words09:51
tsmitheit makes me feel stupid... but i wish it worked ;)09:51
rED_HErrINGi'd like to invent that09:51
rED_HErrINGor take the easy way out09:51
tsmithewhich is?09:52
rED_HErrINGand spawn 1000 irc clients to connect ot freenode and join all the channels, all having nicks of long words i like to autocomplete09:52
tsmithelol09:52
=== rED_HErrING is full of amazing ideas
tsmithethey'd ban the ip09:52
jendatsmithe: yes, that happens all the time, the thing is it didn't strike me that md<tab> didn't gimme a mdke.09:52
tsmitheah09:52
jendarED_HErrING: I think no more than 20 or so from the same IP would be allowed.09:52
jendamaybe not even that.09:52
rED_HErrINGjenda: yeah... we found that out the hard way09:52
jenda09:53
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tsmitheso... pneumonultrasilicovolcanoconiosis, and antidisestablishmentarianism ... words which i use *so* frequently09:53
rED_HErrINGi didnt know who lilo was at the time... so i was kinda insulting him :-\09:53
tsmithedamn i got it wrong09:53
tonyyarussojenda: I found you can't join more than 20 chans with the same client either09:53
tsmithe*pneumonultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis09:53
tsmithetonyyarusso, that's crazy!09:54
rED_HErrINGtsmithe: did you just sneeze?09:54
tsmithedon't think so09:54
rED_HErrINGtonyyarusso: i think thats *your* client09:54
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jendaWho is "PhilipSeyfi"?09:54
tsmitherED_HErrING, me agree09:54
tsmithejenda, he is "Philip Seyfi"09:54
jendatonyyarusso: oh yes you can... :)09:54
tonyyarussorED_HErrING: It's a freenode thing - try it yourself09:54
tonyyarussojenda: Oh?...09:54
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tsmitheso who is lilo?09:55
rED_HErrINGtonyyarusso: gimmie 20 channels then09:55
rED_HErrINGtsmithe: are you kidding?09:55
tsmitheno09:55
tsmithewho?09:55
jendaOh no, you are right - it's a channel limit on freenode, tonyyarusso09:55
tonyyarussorED_HErrING: ubuntu-*, check the wiki for the list09:55
rED_HErrINGtsmithe: hes teh head of freenode... well he was09:55
tsmithelol09:55
tonyyarussoHaHA!09:55
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tsmitherED_HErrING, that must have been cyberembarrassing09:55
jendatsmithe: he has tragically passed away a few weeks ago :(09:55
jenda:'(09:56
tsmithecan i be the new head?09:56
jendaNo.09:56
rED_HErrINGtsmithe: twas.09:56
tsmithejenda: awh09:56
tonyyarussotsmithe: His brother is now, iirc09:56
jendaChristel is the new head of staff.09:56
tsmithejenda, why not?09:56
tsmithejenda, christel who resides in #ReactOS?09:56
tsmitheand perhaps other chans09:56
jendatonyyarusso: but as all limits, it can be bypassed :)09:56
tsmithelol09:56
jendatry whoising me :)09:56
tsmitheeven speed of light?09:56
jendatsmithe: there ain't none other.09:57
jendatsmithe: not that one.09:57
tsmithedamn09:57
tsmithei want to go back in time09:57
tsmithewhat is "whoising"?09:57
tonyyarussojenda: Share the knowledge?09:57
tsmithei understand "whois"09:57
rED_HErrINGdid it.09:57
jendaIf "PhilipSeyfi" doesn't contact me very soon, I'll consider it rude. :/ Added himself to the spreadubuntu project on the wiki :)09:58
tonyyarussotsmithe: A bad verbing09:58
rED_HErrINGtonyyarusso: im in 20 channels now09:58
jendatonyyarusso: you gotta beg real bad :)09:58
tonyyarussojenda: hehe09:58
rED_HErrINGand theres the 21st09:58
rED_HErrINGtonyyarusso: you lose.09:58
tsmitheno... how do i do irc whois?09:58
jendaand beg and beg and beg and beg, and reason, and beg, and then you might get it :)09:58
jendatsmithe: try /whois tsmithe09:58
jendarED_HErrING: no way09:58
tsmithedoes nothing09:58
rED_HErrINGchannels : ##chicago ##unavailable @#gentoo-offtopic #debian-offtopic #gentoo #debian #xubuntu-offtopic #xubuntu09:59
rED_HErrING                      #kubuntu #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu #freenode-social #kubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-marketing #roflcopter09:59
rED_HErrING                      #ubuntu-education +#imagi-nation #chicago #ubuntu-chicago #zomfg09:59
jendathat's 2009:59
tsmitheyeah09:59
jendatry one more :)09:59
rED_HErrINGdamn09:59
rED_HErrINGk09:59
tonyyarussojenda: Well, I'm not very good at begging, but the reason is that I have a server collecting statistics on Ubuntu IRC channels (http://www.tonyyarusso.is-a-geek.com/), and currently have to pick and choose the channels I have it do, since I can't fit them all within the limit.09:59
rED_HErrINGwhoah09:59
rED_HErrINGyou're right10:00
jendatonyyarusso: well, then beg :)10:00
rED_HErrING14:59 -!- Cannot join to channel #ubuntu+1 (You have joined to too many channels)10:00
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jendayou can start at nalioth, but do _not_ mention my name :-D10:00
tonyyarussohaha10:00
tonyyarussoWhose name?10:00
tsmithewhy is he begging?10:00
jendatonyyarusso: yeah, him :)10:00
tonyyarussoThe one playing first?10:00
jendatsmithe: wants the extended channels mode :)10:00
tsmitheoh...10:00
tsmithewhy can't he mention you?10:01
tsmithei would ;)10:01
rED_HErrINGphew cut it down to 9 again10:01
tonyyarussoBecause he's on third, and we don't know him.10:01
jendabecause at the time I asked for it, I wasn't supposed to talk about it.10:01
jendaAlthough now it's a bit different.10:01
tsmitheah10:01
tsmitheah10:01
jendaBack then, I had to be a 'flagged staff member' to achieve the effect.10:01
tonyyarussojenda: Some sort of feature pilot?10:01
jendaIt also took a lot more begging :)10:01
jendanah, staff have had it since the start.10:02
rED_HErrINGso how much do you guys *actually* talk about ubuntu and marketing here?10:02
tsmithenot much10:02
rED_HErrINGsweet. ill fit right in.10:02
tsmithecoolio10:02
rED_HErrINGi think we should paint an ubuntu logo on the atlantic ocean.10:02
tsmithenow how would that work?10:03
rED_HErrINGtsmithe: it woudlnt.10:03
rED_HErrINGit would just BE10:03
tsmithegreat10:03
tonyyarussorED_HErrING: We did last night, but it varies10:03
rED_HErrINGyup!10:03
rED_HErrINGtonyyarusso: gotcha10:03
tsmithei could gimp a logo onto the ocean...10:03
tonyyarussorED_HErrING: You could use phosporescent algae10:03
tonyyarussoMake it show up at night10:03
rED_HErrINGtonyyarusso: any idea where to get.... oh say 1 trillion tons of that?10:03
tsmitheask the whales?10:04
tonyyarussorED_HErrING: Just collect a small sample and start culturing10:04
tsmithethe whales!10:04
rED_HErrINGtonyyarusso: k, should i start now?10:04
tonyyarussorED_HErrING: Most likely10:04
tsmithewow... where did you get the algae? i dont have any lying around10:04
tonyyarussoYou might want to install a pool or buy a local lake as a start10:04
tsmitheand fill it with sugar10:05
tsmitheoh... and water10:05
rED_HErrINGtonyyarusso: i got an inflatable one10:05
rED_HErrINGno, i got a better idea.  Brown red and orange mushroom clouds!!10:05
tonyyarussoAnother option is that you could just inject GFP genes into a significant portion of the population near where you want it, and let them do the work naturally10:05
tsmithegfp?10:05
tonyyarussorED_HErrING: We need three cities in a triangular pattern10:05
jendahe meant .svg genes.10:05
tonyyarussotsmithe: Green flourescent protein10:06
tsmitheah10:06
tonyyarussoWe injected it into little creatures in my high school biotech class and made 'em glow10:06
tonyyarussowas cool10:06
rED_HErrINGtonyyarusso: k, europe or US10:06
jendaWow!10:06
tsmithewow!10:06
jendaThat seifip guy who joined spreadubuntu is Czech.10:06
rED_HErrINGwow!10:06
jendaneat.10:06
jendaMight help out.10:06
tonyyarussorED_HErrING: Clearly US - we deserve some payback for our idiocy.  Just only hit red states10:06
rED_HErrINGtonyyarusso: Texas.10:07
rED_HErrINGits got a nice brown background already10:07
tsmithejenda: lol... the german assistant at my school speaks czech... she doesnt understand our humour10:07
jendahehe :)10:07
jendafair tradeoff, I guess.10:07
tsmitheshe said she'll have to get used to it before she watches borat10:07
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rED_HErrINGtonyyarusso: not likely10:07
rED_HErrINGtonyyarusso: the cops dont care about my little hacking incident a few months ago10:07
rED_HErrINGin fact they laughed10:08
tsmithejenda, i think she hates us... we laugh, and she doesnt get it10:08
rED_HErrINGtonyyarusso: as long as you dont look arab you're in teh clear10:08
rED_HErrINGand if you're a middle age white woman you can carry knives on planes!10:08
rED_HErrING(sad but true)10:08
tonyyarussoholy crap - 35 responses to the bug report I submitted last night10:09
tsmithenow... what was SpreadUbuntu... sounds interesting... am i on it?10:09
tsmithe!bug ?10:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about bug ? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi10:09
tonyyarussorED_HErrING: This is true - I'm a 20-something white male, so I'm fine10:09
jendabug #110:09
tsmithewait that's ubugtu10:09
jendaubuntu 110:09
rED_HErrINGi really need to start bugfixing10:09
jendaubuntu #110:09
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jendaargh...10:09
tonyyarussoI think you just mention bug #110:09
tsmithei'm confused10:09
rED_HErrINGi got a question bout launchpad and bugfixing10:09
tonyyarussoBut Ubugtu isn't joined to this channel10:09
tsmithei know10:09
jendarED_HErrING: this is not really the place...10:10
tsmithe@bug is what i wanted10:10
rED_HErrINGshould i just.... submit what i think are bugs or should i really figure out it before id o?10:10
jendatonyyarusso: good point :)10:10
rED_HErrINGjenda: just a general question10:10
tsmitherED_HErrING, do that10:10
tsmithedo research beforehand so it's not vague however10:10
jendarED_HErrING: really figure out, and this chan ain't for general questions :)10:10
tsmithelol10:10
tsmitheit is for algae though10:10
tonyyarussoobviously10:10
rED_HErrINGwhats the channelf or bugs?10:11
tonyyarusso-bugs10:11
tsmithemy text box disappeared...10:11
tsmithei cant remember the conversation now!10:11
jendarED_HErrING: #ubuntu-bugs10:11
jendabut I'm not sure if it's the chan to actually report them in.10:11
rED_HErrINGgotcha10:11
rED_HErrINGjenda: yeah i know10:12
tsmithecan i join in spreadubuntu?10:12
tsmithehave i already?10:13
rED_HErrINGwhats spreadubuntu?!10:13
tsmithewiki.ubuntu.com/SpreadUbuntu10:13
tonyyarussojenda, rED_HErrING: Just report them on LP10:13
tsmithewow it's weird how this chan gets loud and quiet so suddenly!10:15
rED_HErrINGyeah...10:15
rED_HErrINGreally10:15
tsmithenow... what's "voice"?10:16
tsmithestupid gorillaz10:16
tsmithethat's better10:16
tsmithebut only just10:16
tsmithe...10:16
tsmithe..10:16
tsmithe.10:16
tsmithe10:16
rED_HErrINGyes.10:16
tsmithevoice != yes10:16
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tsmithe"-#@$# class210:17
tsmithe"10:17
tsmithestupid hands10:17
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tsmitheso...10:18
tsmithehow's everyone's day been?10:18
rED_HErrINGlame for the most part10:18
tsmithemine was alright10:19
tsmithea bit low in the morn: denied a place on german exchange...10:19
tsmithebut afternoon was great!10:19
tsmithespent five hours playing trumpet10:20
rED_HErrINGfun10:20
tsmitheindeed... we were making a big band cd10:20
rED_HErrINGsweet10:20
tsmitheonly got to do 8 tracks...10:20
rED_HErrINGits 3:20 here10:20
tsmithepm/am?10:21
rED_HErrINGpm10:21
tsmitheok10:21
rED_HErrINGyeah10:21
tsmitheso you are utc-610:21
jendaomg10:21
tsmithewhere?10:21
tsmithewhat?10:21
jendatsmithe: I'm working on spreadubuntu. Once it's alive and once I'm capable of forming a new way for it to head, count yourself in :)10:22
rED_HErrINGchicago10:22
jendaooh, we're getting many chicagians here.10:22
tsmithe"Hast du etwas Zeit fur mich / Dann singe ich ein Lied fuer dich / Von 99 Luftballons"10:22
tsmithei'm in kent10:22
jendaUnless you're the same as Admiral_Chicago.10:22
rED_HErrINGjenda: just me, admiral_chicago and nix10:22
tsmithejenda knows where10:22
jendakk10:22
rED_HErrINGjenda: i came cuz nix and admiral were talking about it in #ubuntu-chicago10:22
jendacool :)10:23
rED_HErrINGyup10:23
rED_HErrINGwe're pretty good with ubuntu here10:23
tsmithe"neunundneunzig luftballons auf ihrem weg zum horizont"10:23
tsmithejenda: is that you're .diyubuntu.com site?10:23
tsmithe*your10:23
jendaPartly.10:23
jendabrb10:24
tsmithebye10:24
tsmithe"habe einen luftballoon gefunden"10:25
tsmitheyou have to guess the song10:26
tsmithesomeone?10:26
tsmithebah10:26
rED_HErrINGi dont know german10:27
rED_HErrINGi know someone IN germany10:27
rED_HErrINGbut thats about it10:27
tsmitheits 99 Luftballons by Nena!10:27
tsmithei know little german, but it's a good song10:27
tsmithei'd send it to you, but apparently that's illegal10:28
rED_HErrINGtehe10:28
rED_HErrINGtrust me no one cares round here10:28
tsmithei don't care10:28
rED_HErrINGid say more but im fairly sure SOMEONEs listening10:28
tsmithei think it shouldnt be10:28
tsmitheme10:28
tsmithetoo10:28
tsmithebloody Thought Police10:28
rED_HErrINGfor the record i do NOT pirate software10:28
rED_HErrINGNEVER10:28
rED_HErrINGEVER!!10:28
tsmitheme neither10:29
rED_HErrINGMETHINK DOUBLEPLUSGOOD10:29
tsmithei believe it counters the spread of open source software10:29
tsmithei'll be glad when i'm convicted of thought crime. and also unglad10:29
tsmithedamn i'm already using newspeak10:30
rED_HErrINGi disagree10:30
tsmithedoubleplusunglad10:30
rED_HErrINGpirating software leads you to belive that ALL software should be free10:30
rED_HErrINGTHUS10:30
rED_HErrINGFOSS10:30
tsmitheno10:30
rED_HErrINGmore pirating = more people who belive software should be free10:30
tsmitheit makes people stick with what they have10:30
tsmithethey get it for free10:30
rED_HErrINGtsmithe: both happen10:30
tsmithewhy change10:30
tsmitheok10:30
tsmithetruce10:30
rED_HErrINGyeah10:30
lophytedoubleplusgood day folks10:30
rED_HErrINGfolks?10:30
tsmithelophyte, oh why?10:31
tsmitheoh10:31
rED_HErrINGi dont comprehend "folks" do you mean "people"?10:31
lophyteyes10:31
tsmithei thought you said "doubleplus*un*good"10:31
lophytefolks.. people..everyone...10:31
tsmithehow can he not know10:31
tsmithe?10:31
rED_HErrINGin newspeak pluswords like folks are unneccesarry and ungood10:31
lophyteactually it is rather ungood10:31
rED_HErrINGi love that book10:31
lophyteoh, sorry..10:31
lophyteit should be10:32
tsmithe"shoot the runner, shoot shoot the runner, i'm your king and she's my queen, bitch"10:32
lophytedoubleplusgood day my comrads10:32
tsmitheindeed10:32
=== rED_HErrING nods at lophyte's remark
lophyteits been a while since I read it10:32
tsmithewinston never saw the eleventh edition, however10:32
tsmithepoor dude10:32
tsmithei just finished it10:32
tsmithei intend to read it again10:32
tsmithethen write an essay10:32
tsmitheadd it to my collection10:32
rED_HErrINGhave fun.10:33
lophyteever read animal farm?10:33
tsmithei will :)10:33
rED_HErrINGcourse10:33
lophyteits like the children's version of 198410:33
rED_HErrINGi read it in 6th grade10:33
tsmithelophyte, no - i was in it. it was sad10:33
tsmithei don't wanna read it10:33
lophyteyou were in it?10:33
tsmitheyeah10:33
tsmithei was a farmer and a pig10:33
lophyteah, lol10:33
tsmithelol10:33
tsmitheas in, a play!10:33
tsmithei think communism is an ideal that won't work, but is something to strive for. it would be nice to have the means of production indeed in the power of the workers10:34
rED_HErrINGi belive in total and absolute freedom - anarchy if you will10:34
tsmitheand for according to ability, to according to need10:34
tsmithebut who decided need and ability10:34
rED_HErrINGi think we naturally abide by most laws10:34
tsmitheso do it10:34
tsmithe*i10:35
lophyteI disagree10:35
tsmithethat's exactly what i feel10:35
rED_HErrINGand the few that *need* enforcing we enfore10:35
tsmitheyes10:35
rED_HErrINGaka stealing, murder, rape10:35
tsmithegood!10:35
rED_HErrINGbut other than those10:35
lophyteoh10:35
rED_HErrINGits a free market10:35
lophytewell then10:35
tsmithedo you wanna help me start my country10:35
lophyteI agree10:35
rED_HErrINGtsmithe: sure.10:35
tsmithewe will not be calling it oceania, eastasia, or eurasia10:35
tsmithenot even as a parody10:35
rED_HErrINGlets call it ubuntuland just for kicks10:36
tsmitheGO AWAY GORILLAZ!10:36
lophytelol10:36
tsmitheok10:36
lophyteubuntistan10:36
tsmithei'm not in the mood for ripping rap rhythms10:36
rED_HErrINGlophyte: k.10:36
tsmitheubuntistan is a good name... since ubuntu is a good word10:36
rED_HErrINGtis10:36
tsmithenow... we need to find a place10:37
lophyteI've always wanted to look up the meaning of 'istan'.. I get the feeling it means 'land' in some arabic language10:37
lophyteISTANbul.. pakISTAN, afghanISTAN..10:37
lophytekinda like ireLAND, scotLAND.. etc.10:37
rED_HErrINGtsmithe: new island in the atlantic?10:37
tsmithecool10:37
lophytelet's just move to the isle of man10:38
tsmitherED_HErrING, how do we check on those who commit the crimes in our anarchic system? we would need a hierarchy10:38
tsmitheok10:38
tsmithenearer home than chicago10:38
rED_HErrINGtsmithe: no no, hierarchy ruins most of it10:38
tsmitheexactly10:38
tsmithebut we would end up needing one:10:38
tsmithe1. the punishers10:39
tsmithe2. the free10:39
tsmithe3. the punished10:39
tsmithethat becomes this:10:39
tsmithe1. the High10:39
rED_HErrINGthe punishers should be a very small percentage of the population10:39
tsmithe2. the Middle10:39
tsmithe3. the Low10:39
rED_HErrINGexactly.10:39
rED_HErrINGso...10:39
tsmitheand so we find ourselves in the current situation10:39
tsmithewhat to do?10:40
rED_HErrINGhrm10:40
rED_HErrINGso this is why i hate governments10:40
tsmitheconstant war to deplete the means of production?10:40
tsmitheand therefore stop equality?10:40
rED_HErrINGsounds like a plan10:40
tsmitheright10:41
tsmithecall me Big Brother10:41
=== tsmithe is now known as B-B
B-Bso...10:41
B-Blet the two minutes hate be at what time?10:41
rED_HErrINGlets make a total free for all10:41
rED_HErrINGi'd just like to see how it works10:41
rED_HErrINGa TOTAL and COMPLETE free for all10:41
B-Bok... but then some would rise up, and overpower others10:41
B-Bit's unstoppable10:41
rED_HErrINGwould they?10:42
B-Bunless you have people to enforce that by which it is stopped10:42
B-Byes10:42
lophyteyou know what I'd like to see?10:42
lophyteor rather10:42
rED_HErrINGhow do you give power to people?10:42
B-Bwhat?10:42
lophytewhat woul be interesting to see10:42
lophytebut highly illegal10:42
rED_HErrINGi say we elect a VERY small group of officials10:42
B-Byou can't10:42
B-Byou can only taking10:42
lophyteraise a child from birth with little to no social interaction10:42
B-BrED_HErrING, an oligarchy?10:42
lophyteand see how they turn out10:42
rED_HErrINGbut all they can do is arrest for murder etc.10:42
B-Blophyte, the truman show?10:42
lophyteno.. truman had social interaction10:43
B-BrED_HErrING, or thoughtcrime?10:43
B-Bok...10:43
lophyteI mean.. completely isolated10:43
B-Ban autistic child10:43
B-B?10:43
B-Byou can't have that10:43
lophytehmm.. maybe.10:43
B-Bfood?10:43
lophytefood is fed through a hole in the wall10:43
rED_HErrINGi think when we say "taking something thats not yours" is illegal10:43
lophytelike a caged animal10:43
rED_HErrINGwe run into so many problem10:43
B-Bthe child would die10:43
rED_HErrINGs10:43
rED_HErrINGtherefore10:43
B-B...10:43
rED_HErrINGstealing is legal, but any means of deterring stealing is ALSO legal10:43
rED_HErrINGtherefore if a robber comes in your house10:43
B-Byes10:43
rED_HErrINGpwn him with a shotgun10:44
lophytebut that's murder10:44
jendayay10:44
B-Bwhat if the guy kills you?10:44
B-Bhi jenda10:44
rED_HErrINGlophyte: not if hes stealing10:44
jendahello B-B10:44
B-Bjenda, we are forming a new country10:44
jendaa micronation? neat10:44
B-Bhave you read /the book/?10:44
rED_HErrINGif he murders you hes breaking a law, if you murder him cuz hes robbing you its fine10:44
jendaIf you need a lawyer...10:44
B-Byay!10:44
B-BrED_HErrING, who enforces that law?10:44
lophyterED_HErrING: okay, but then how do you prove he was robbing you?10:44
B-Bthe High?10:44
rED_HErrINGB-B: the small hierarchy10:45
=== B-B is now known as tsmithe-the-prot
tsmithe-the-protdamn10:45
=== tsmithe-the-prot is now known as tsmithe
tsmitherED_HErrING, you mean oligarchy10:45
rED_HErrINGlophyte: thats why you dont shoot anyone who walks in your house10:45
tsmitheand they will always want more control10:45
tsmitheit is in human nature: survival of the fittest10:46
tsmitheyou cannot have anarchy10:46
tsmitheyou cannot have communism10:46
tsmitheyou cannot have corporatism10:46
rED_HErrINGgovermnment is doomed to fail10:46
tsmitheyou cannot have capitalism10:46
rED_HErrINGthus: anarchy10:46
tsmithethus government10:46
tsmitheas a result of the anarchy10:47
rED_HErrINGtrue10:47
rED_HErrINGits all just a cycle10:47
tsmithethis, at least, has been proven by history10:47
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rED_HErrINGsin(wt) if you will10:47
=== tsmithe mutters something about jenda shutting up
tsmitherED_HErrING, "sin(wt)"?10:47
rED_HErrINGtsmithe: physics....10:47
tsmitheoh sine?10:47
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rED_HErrINGthe yeah10:48
=== jenda mutters something about tsmithe being shown the door if he doesn't behave...
=== jenda hides
rED_HErrINGi cant understand ya'll, you're muddering10:48
=== tsmithe mutters under his breath beneath his loud music
tsmitheso... what about democratic socialism?10:48
rED_HErrINGamerica will fail eventually10:49
tsmitheyes10:49
rED_HErrINGits already beginning to10:49
tsmitheso will new labour britain10:49
rED_HErrINGbecause its progressing towards less and less freedoms10:49
rED_HErrINGuntil people get fed up10:49
tsmithesame here10:49
tsmithesame here10:49
rED_HErrINGand we plunge back into anarchy10:49
tsmitherather like microsoft eh?10:49
rED_HErrINGand thus: more govermnent10:49
lophytehaha10:49
=== tsmithe gets back on topic
=== lophyte hi-fives tsmithe
tsmitheyay!10:49
=== rED_HErrING gives up and does physics
=== tsmithe is too quick
=== tsmithe has already done his physics
tsmithemoments are boring10:50
=== jenda mutters something about #politics
tsmithe#politics is full of evangelists10:50
tsmitheand i DID bring back to topic10:50
tsmithe"<tsmithe> rather like microsoft eh?"10:50
=== tsmithe thinks jenda should lighten up about the topic
rED_HErrINGagreed10:51
=== jenda thinks some people have pointed out that the channel logs really get cluttered when we go on OT sprees :)
rED_HErrINGno ones talking about anything GOOD right now10:51
tsmitheyay!10:51
tsmitheso what about logs10:52
tsmithe?10:52
tsmitheeh?10:52
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tsmithethey're made by a machine10:52
rED_HErrINGthis is logged?!?!?10:52
tsmitheyes10:52
jendathat's what ubuntulog is for.10:52
tsmitheubuntulog is here10:52
rED_HErrINGsince when do logs prove anything.10:52
jenda!enter10:52
ubotuPlease don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.10:52
jenda:)10:52
tsmithe!enter10:52
tsmitheuhoh10:52
tsmithethey've come to get me...10:52
jendaThey are made by a machine, but read by humans.10:52
tsmithewhich poor soul has that tiresome job?10:53
tsmitheand why?10:53
jendaand utterly useless when the part after the - in the channel name is ignored...10:53
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tsmithebut politics IS important10:53
jendaanyone who is interested in Ubuntu marketing, but does'nt hang in here, tsmithe.10:53
jendathat's what it's for.10:53
jendaIt's not important for marketing.10:53
rED_HErrINGjenda: never know10:53
rED_HErrINGit actually might be10:53
tsmitheit is10:53
tsmitheit's all in the spirit of open development10:54
jendaI'm not saying you can't say anything in the channel :) I'm just reminding you to keep the topic in mind.10:54
rED_HErrINGjenda: honestly.... you never know10:54
tsmithe"bababababababababababababababababababababababababa" <- start of "English Country Garden (The Darkness)"10:54
jendahonestly, I'm tired. Good night :)10:54
tsmithebyee10:54
rED_HErrINGnight?10:54
tsmitheit's night in britain10:54
jendayes.10:54
tsmitheand night+1 in prague10:54
tsmithe"i've never seen a bail of hay move so fast"10:55
tsmithe"i cherished you and you tolerated me"10:55
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tsmithe"in an english country garden"10:55
tsmithe"jardin, jardin, jardin"10:55
tsmithe"babaabababababababababababababa ba aba ba ab aba aba ba ab"10:55
tsmitheba ba ba ba ba ba10:55
rED_HErrINGnow THAT is spam.10:56
tsmithesorry10:56
tsmitheonce again, it is a *good* song10:56
rED_HErrINGand you yelled at us for REAL talking10:56
tsmithei'd send it to you, but they say it's illegal10:56
tsmithestupid thought police10:56
tsmitheuhoh10:56
tsmithei need to do it again10:56
jendatsmithe: honestly... you're over the channel limit now.10:56
rED_HErrINGtsmithe: you can beam it over to me via mindwaves10:56
rED_HErrINGthats still legal10:56
tsmitheok...10:56
tsmitherED_HErrING, you're not listening!10:58
rED_HErrINGoh sorry10:59
=== rED_HErrING listens
tsmithein the private message window thingy11:00
jendathank you.11:02
tsmitheany time ;)11:03
tsmitheall you need do is ask ;)11:03
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poningru...11:25
ttoinehello11:31
ttoinesomebody here  ?11:31
jendabarely....11:32
ttoinei was at the uds-mtv11:32
ttoineand was interested by the ubuntu marketing team11:32
jendaneat-o :)11:32
ttoineneat ?11:34
ttoinewhat does it mean ?11:34
jendaIt means welcome ;)11:34
ttoineok11:35
jendabe sure to subscribe to the mailing list too, to see what's up.11:35
ttoineok11:35
jendaIt's near midnight for me, and I'm slowly trying to go to bed :)11:35
ttoinejenda: i am french11:49
ttoineso on the same time line11:49
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rED_HErrINGevery time i see ompaul i think it says OMGpaul and i laugh12:01
ompaulglad I contribute to your hilarious repository12:02
ompaul:)12:02
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ttoineok12:02
ttoinei will come back tomorrow to chat a bit12:02
ttoinebye12:02
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rED_HErrINGompaul: yeah, now if your nick WAS omgpaul that would be like 10x cooler12:03
ompaulrED_HErrING, and my name would not be what it is .. and as the nick is based on my name ..12:03
rED_HErrINGtrue, unlike my nick12:03
ompaulthat is a bit of a rED_HErrING to throw into the conversation12:04
rED_HErrINGaye ;-) glad to see someone understands the nick12:05

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