[12:07] <elkbuntu> i believe it may be days before we see whipru... err.. wiiprush around
[12:11] <tsmithe> wiiprush?
[12:12] <wiiprush> tsmithe: yo
[12:12] <elkbuntu> lol
[12:13] <elkbuntu> maybe i be wrong
[12:13] <elkbuntu> how is it you pried yourself from your new toy?
[12:13] <wiiprush> tennis elbow. :p
[12:13] <tsmithe> toy?
[12:13] <elkbuntu> lol
[12:13] <jenda> what's the toy?
[12:13] <tsmithe> wii?
[12:13] <jenda> what's a wii?
[12:13] <wiiprush> it's a nintendo
[12:13] <jenda> I know I saw that somewhere...
[12:14] <jenda> aha
[12:14] <jenda> sue them for the elbow
[12:15] <tsmithe> doesnt know about wii!!!
[12:15] <tsmithe> where are they out?
[12:16] <jenda> can you install linux on it?
[12:17] <jenda> I got it a lot earlier than it get 'out there' from the source :)
[12:17] <tsmithe> not mandriva! it always annoyed me
[12:35] <jenda> oops it seems to have screwed up my PC good :)
[12:36] <elkbuntu> lol
[12:38] <jenda> yes :) ubuntu boots...
[12:39] <jenda> although there is something wrong with my /home
[12:40] <jenda> here is /me from my Ubuntu to prove it :)
[12:42] <elkbuntu> did you try share a /home?
[12:43] <jenda> yes :)
[12:43] <elkbuntu> using the same DE?
[12:43] <jenda> is that illegal?
[12:43] <jenda> yep
[12:43] <elkbuntu> no.. but afaik, mandriva and ubuntu do things slightly different ;)
[12:43] <jenda> Gnome
[12:43] <jenda> indeed :)
[12:44] <jenda> wooo it's fun being jenda from two PCs at once. I say somethnig here, and on the other one it looks as if I said it there :)
[12:44] <elkbuntu> hehe
[12:44] <jenda> and now it even beeped, as I said my name :)
[12:45] <jenda> neat - it's also a way to be connected to ICQ from two spots.
[01:05] <jenda> attempt 2
[01:10] <elkbuntu> jenda, for the tshirts, i'd advise taking orders until you get a certain number then having the shirts done. that way you order # x Small, # x Medium, # x Large, # x XL and so forth
[01:11] <jenda> hmm
[01:11] <elkbuntu> i dont think you'll have any problem finding 50 something people wanting an OBEY shirt
[01:11] <jenda> Good idea. will do.
[01:12] <elkbuntu> and you can always do a round 2
[01:12] <jenda> 100
[01:12] <jenda> 100 is the number to get bulk discount.
[01:13] <jenda> attempt #3 :) brb
[01:13] <jenda> well, brb is an overstatement, I, the server, am still around :)
[01:14] <jenda> SUCCESS :)
[01:15] <elkbuntu> hehe
[01:17] <elkbuntu> you might end up needing to do a batch of the posse ones too
[06:06] <lotusleaf> darn, no boingboing post about those posters today ;(
[10:42] <Madpilot> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4646261136.html
[10:43] <Madpilot> Yet Another SABDFL Interview
[10:43] <lotusleaf> r0x0r thx
[11:09] <tonyyarusso> I'm thinking BBC
[11:12] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: you know, I've been wondering that, too. I noticed the media relations area is still not fleshed out in the marketing area
[11:12] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Yeah, we're a bit lacking there
[11:12] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: I think snail mail and/or phone calls should be made
[11:12] <tonyyarusso> I'd love to have some really solid stuff to send to local news, b/c I'm not the best person to write those
[11:13] <tonyyarusso> I wrote up a little press release for Dapper, but it could probably be made to sound a lot better
[11:14] <lotusleaf> that's cool, I hope this area of marketing develops
[11:14] <tonyyarusso> Another place I think would be awesome: The Daily Show
[11:14] <lotusleaf> yup
[11:14] <tonyyarusso> It's got just the audience
[11:15] <tonyyarusso> Young, in tune with current events, willing to try new things, and generally intelligent
[11:15] <lotusleaf> that would be something to propose on the mailing list for sure
[11:16] <tonyyarusso> What do you think would be the way to approach it?  Ask everyone on the mailing list to send letters requesting them?
[11:16] <elkbuntu> its a good start
[11:17] <tonyyarusso> I'll see if I can whip up something for people to work from this weekend, and send something out
[11:19] <elkbuntu> best idea is to construct a list of vulnerable newsgroups to focus on
[11:22] <tonyyarusso> Such as?
[11:29] <tonyyarusso> I gotta try to grab a nap at least before I have to go through another day.  Bye all.
[11:46] <lotusleaf> cya tonyyarusso
[01:57] <MenZa> jenda: stickers shipped
[01:58] <lotusleaf> MenZa: say that 12 times really fast ;)
[01:58] <MenZa> XD
[01:58] <lotusleaf> :P
[04:05] <jenda> MenZa: I shipped all I had today, so if yours weren't in the last batch, they definitely went today.
[04:05] <MenZa> :d
[04:05] <MenZa> :D*
[04:32] <macluvjay> I may be late to the party, but I really like the t-shirts, jenda
[04:33] <macluvjay> I would really like to see the brown ones, but will be happy with a black and white
[04:36] <jenda> macluvjay: It seems the brown ones are more popular, so once the manufacturers respond my first inquiries, I'll ask them about that too.
[04:36] <macluvjay> great
[04:36] <lotusleaf> jenda: you rolling out t-shirts now?
[04:37] <jenda> I don't think it should make a difference, as long as their supplier makes the right color (brown)
[04:37] <jenda> lotusleaf: nah, what makes you think so?
[04:37] <jenda> The fun part is that I don't have enough money for the project :)
 I may be late to the party, but I really like the t-shirts, jenda
[04:37] <jenda> damn, macluvjay, you gave me away.
[04:37] <lotusleaf> lol
[04:37] <macluvjay> oops
[04:37] <macluvjay> ;)
[04:38] <jenda> lotusleaf: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=303557
[04:38] <lotusleaf> thx
[04:39] <jenda> macluvjay: thanks for the support ;)
[04:39] <macluvjay> always
[04:39] <jenda> I need about $200 more to be able to afford the project ($600)
[04:40] <jenda> (or... I could sell some of my stashed away USD to CZK, that would make it sooner...)
[04:41] <lotusleaf> thx for the thread link, wish I could help $$ wise
[04:42] <lotusleaf> will there be a minimum order amt?
[04:43] <lotusleaf> darn, brown won, I'd buy a white on black tshirt ;)
[04:44] <jenda> Yes, there will be a minimum order amount.
[04:44] <jenda> really?
[04:44] <jenda> hmm
[04:44] <jenda> i'll ask what the options are.
[04:44] <jenda> the printer won't be happy :)
[04:45] <lotusleaf> haha, well just go with what the majority want
[04:45] <jenda> minimum order amount:
[04:45] <jenda> 1 t-shirt
[04:45] <lotusleaf> after all, those of us who want it bad enough can make our own shirts
[04:45] <macluvjay> for EVERYONE!
[04:45] <lotusleaf> haha nice min amt ;)
[04:45] <macluvjay> in the WORLD!
[04:45] <jenda> true :)
[04:45] <jenda> hehe, that would be quite a business.
[04:45] <lotusleaf> jenda: tiny jendafish logo at the seams?
[04:45] <jenda> It would remind me of Microsoft too much, though.
[04:46] <jenda> nah :)
[04:46] <jenda> the Ubuntu logo is enough...
[04:46] <lotusleaf> these shirts are a great idea, esp. the roughcut design
[04:46] <lotusleaf> they gonna bring a lot of people to google ;)
[04:46] <jenda> 
[04:46] <lotusleaf> ubuntu? what's that?
[04:46] <jenda> OK, I gotta roll.
[04:46] <lotusleaf> jenda: cu
[04:47] <jenda> AKA sports.
[04:47] <jenda> eww....
[04:47] <jenda> anyway, gbye :)
[04:47] <lotusleaf> typing isn't a sport?
[04:47] <lotusleaf> :P
[04:48] <jenda> not on the dvorak. It's too easy :)
[04:48] <lotusleaf> :S
[06:56] <poningru> woot
[06:56] <poningru> got a job as sysadmin
[06:56] <poningru> part time
[07:12] <Burgwork> cool
[07:28] <poningru> yeah they use all debian
[07:29] <poningru> and one of their reqs is help out with deb dev somehow
[07:29] <poningru> like support or something
[09:45] <jenda> mdke, ping
[09:45] <mdke> pong
[09:45] <tsmithe> sorry
[09:45] <tsmithe> he's not in
[09:45] <jenda> grrr
[09:46] <tsmithe> i have a user list ;)
[09:46] <jenda> so do I :)
[09:46] <tsmithe> being only 24 long in this channel it's quite easy to scan ;)
[09:46] <jenda> I'm too tired to realise that typing manually won't fix tab-completion not working :/
[09:47] <jenda> 
[09:47] <tsmithe> well, do you try and tab-complete english?
[09:50] <jenda> hm?
[09:50] <tsmithe> as in, you are too lazy to type properly and write the beginning of the word, press tab, and expect the rest to pop up?
[09:51] <rED_HErrING> i do that
[09:51] <rED_HErrING> especially with long words
[09:51] <tsmithe> it makes me feel stupid... but i wish it worked ;)
[09:51] <rED_HErrING> i'd like to invent that
[09:51] <rED_HErrING> or take the easy way out
[09:52] <tsmithe> which is?
[09:52] <rED_HErrING> and spawn 1000 irc clients to connect ot freenode and join all the channels, all having nicks of long words i like to autocomplete
[09:52] <tsmithe> lol
[09:52] <tsmithe> they'd ban the ip
[09:52] <jenda> tsmithe: yes, that happens all the time, the thing is it didn't strike me that md<tab> didn't gimme a mdke.
[09:52] <tsmithe> ah
[09:52] <jenda> rED_HErrING: I think no more than 20 or so from the same IP would be allowed.
[09:52] <jenda> maybe not even that.
[09:52] <rED_HErrING> jenda: yeah... we found that out the hard way
[09:53] <jenda> 
[09:53] <tsmithe> so... pneumonultrasilicovolcanoconiosis, and antidisestablishmentarianism ... words which i use *so* frequently
[09:53] <rED_HErrING> i didnt know who lilo was at the time... so i was kinda insulting him :-\
[09:53] <tsmithe> damn i got it wrong
[09:53] <tonyyarusso> jenda: I found you can't join more than 20 chans with the same client either
[09:53] <tsmithe> *pneumonultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis
[09:54] <tsmithe> tonyyarusso, that's crazy!
[09:54] <rED_HErrING> tsmithe: did you just sneeze?
[09:54] <tsmithe> don't think so
[09:54] <rED_HErrING> tonyyarusso: i think thats *your* client
[09:54] <jenda> Who is "PhilipSeyfi"?
[09:54] <tsmithe> rED_HErrING, me agree
[09:54] <tsmithe> jenda, he is "Philip Seyfi"
[09:54] <jenda> tonyyarusso: oh yes you can... :)
[09:54] <tonyyarusso> rED_HErrING: It's a freenode thing - try it yourself
[09:54] <tonyyarusso> jenda: Oh?...
[09:55] <tsmithe> so who is lilo?
[09:55] <rED_HErrING> tonyyarusso: gimmie 20 channels then
[09:55] <rED_HErrING> tsmithe: are you kidding?
[09:55] <tsmithe> no
[09:55] <tsmithe> who?
[09:55] <jenda> Oh no, you are right - it's a channel limit on freenode, tonyyarusso
[09:55] <tonyyarusso> rED_HErrING: ubuntu-*, check the wiki for the list
[09:55] <rED_HErrING> tsmithe: hes teh head of freenode... well he was
[09:55] <tsmithe> lol
[09:55] <tonyyarusso> HaHA!
[09:55] <tsmithe> rED_HErrING, that must have been cyberembarrassing
[09:55] <jenda> tsmithe: he has tragically passed away a few weeks ago :(
[09:56] <jenda> :'(
[09:56] <tsmithe> can i be the new head?
[09:56] <jenda> No.
[09:56] <rED_HErrING> tsmithe: twas.
[09:56] <tsmithe> jenda: awh
[09:56] <tonyyarusso> tsmithe: His brother is now, iirc
[09:56] <jenda> Christel is the new head of staff.
[09:56] <tsmithe> jenda, why not?
[09:56] <tsmithe> jenda, christel who resides in #ReactOS?
[09:56] <tsmithe> and perhaps other chans
[09:56] <jenda> tonyyarusso: but as all limits, it can be bypassed :)
[09:56] <tsmithe> lol
[09:56] <jenda> try whoising me :)
[09:56] <tsmithe> even speed of light?
[09:57] <jenda> tsmithe: there ain't none other.
[09:57] <jenda> tsmithe: not that one.
[09:57] <tsmithe> damn
[09:57] <tsmithe> i want to go back in time
[09:57] <tsmithe> what is "whoising"?
[09:57] <tonyyarusso> jenda: Share the knowledge?
[09:57] <tsmithe> i understand "whois"
[09:57] <rED_HErrING> did it.
[09:58] <jenda> If "PhilipSeyfi" doesn't contact me very soon, I'll consider it rude. :/ Added himself to the spreadubuntu project on the wiki :)
[09:58] <tonyyarusso> tsmithe: A bad verbing
[09:58] <rED_HErrING> tonyyarusso: im in 20 channels now
[09:58] <jenda> tonyyarusso: you gotta beg real bad :)
[09:58] <tonyyarusso> jenda: hehe
[09:58] <rED_HErrING> and theres the 21st
[09:58] <rED_HErrING> tonyyarusso: you lose.
[09:58] <tsmithe> no... how do i do irc whois?
[09:58] <jenda> and beg and beg and beg and beg, and reason, and beg, and then you might get it :)
[09:58] <jenda> tsmithe: try /whois tsmithe
[09:58] <jenda> rED_HErrING: no way
[09:58] <tsmithe> does nothing
[09:59] <rED_HErrING> channels : ##chicago ##unavailable @#gentoo-offtopic #debian-offtopic #gentoo #debian #xubuntu-offtopic #xubuntu
[09:59] <rED_HErrING>                       #kubuntu #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu #freenode-social #kubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-marketing #roflcopter
[09:59] <rED_HErrING>                       #ubuntu-education +#imagi-nation #chicago #ubuntu-chicago #zomfg
[09:59] <jenda> that's 20
[09:59] <tsmithe> yeah
[09:59] <jenda> try one more :)
[09:59] <rED_HErrING> damn
[09:59] <rED_HErrING> k
[09:59] <tonyyarusso> jenda: Well, I'm not very good at begging, but the reason is that I have a server collecting statistics on Ubuntu IRC channels (http://www.tonyyarusso.is-a-geek.com/), and currently have to pick and choose the channels I have it do, since I can't fit them all within the limit.
[09:59] <rED_HErrING> whoah
[10:00] <rED_HErrING> you're right
[10:00] <jenda> tonyyarusso: well, then beg :)
[10:00] <rED_HErrING> 14:59 -!- Cannot join to channel #ubuntu+1 (You have joined to too many channels)
[10:00] <jenda> you can start at nalioth, but do _not_ mention my name :-D
[10:00] <tonyyarusso> haha
[10:00] <tonyyarusso> Whose name?
[10:00] <tsmithe> why is he begging?
[10:00] <jenda> tonyyarusso: yeah, him :)
[10:00] <tonyyarusso> The one playing first?
[10:00] <jenda> tsmithe: wants the extended channels mode :)
[10:00] <tsmithe> oh...
[10:01] <tsmithe> why can't he mention you?
[10:01] <tsmithe> i would ;)
[10:01] <rED_HErrING> phew cut it down to 9 again
[10:01] <tonyyarusso> Because he's on third, and we don't know him.
[10:01] <jenda> because at the time I asked for it, I wasn't supposed to talk about it.
[10:01] <jenda> Although now it's a bit different.
[10:01] <tsmithe> ah
[10:01] <tsmithe> ah
[10:01] <jenda> Back then, I had to be a 'flagged staff member' to achieve the effect.
[10:01] <tonyyarusso> jenda: Some sort of feature pilot?
[10:01] <jenda> It also took a lot more begging :)
[10:02] <jenda> nah, staff have had it since the start.
[10:02] <rED_HErrING> so how much do you guys *actually* talk about ubuntu and marketing here?
[10:02] <tsmithe> not much
[10:02] <rED_HErrING> sweet. ill fit right in.
[10:02] <tsmithe> coolio
[10:02] <rED_HErrING> i think we should paint an ubuntu logo on the atlantic ocean.
[10:03] <tsmithe> now how would that work?
[10:03] <rED_HErrING> tsmithe: it woudlnt.
[10:03] <rED_HErrING> it would just BE
[10:03] <tsmithe> great
[10:03] <tonyyarusso> rED_HErrING: We did last night, but it varies
[10:03] <rED_HErrING> yup!
[10:03] <rED_HErrING> tonyyarusso: gotcha
[10:03] <tsmithe> i could gimp a logo onto the ocean...
[10:03] <tonyyarusso> rED_HErrING: You could use phosporescent algae
[10:03] <tonyyarusso> Make it show up at night
[10:03] <rED_HErrING> tonyyarusso: any idea where to get.... oh say 1 trillion tons of that?
[10:04] <tsmithe> ask the whales?
[10:04] <tonyyarusso> rED_HErrING: Just collect a small sample and start culturing
[10:04] <tsmithe> the whales!
[10:04] <rED_HErrING> tonyyarusso: k, should i start now?
[10:04] <tonyyarusso> rED_HErrING: Most likely
[10:04] <tsmithe> wow... where did you get the algae? i dont have any lying around
[10:04] <tonyyarusso> You might want to install a pool or buy a local lake as a start
[10:05] <tsmithe> and fill it with sugar
[10:05] <tsmithe> oh... and water
[10:05] <rED_HErrING> tonyyarusso: i got an inflatable one
[10:05] <rED_HErrING> no, i got a better idea.  Brown red and orange mushroom clouds!!
[10:05] <tonyyarusso> Another option is that you could just inject GFP genes into a significant portion of the population near where you want it, and let them do the work naturally
[10:05] <tsmithe> gfp?
[10:05] <tonyyarusso> rED_HErrING: We need three cities in a triangular pattern
[10:05] <jenda> he meant .svg genes.
[10:06] <tonyyarusso> tsmithe: Green flourescent protein
[10:06] <tsmithe> ah
[10:06] <tonyyarusso> We injected it into little creatures in my high school biotech class and made 'em glow
[10:06] <tonyyarusso> was cool
[10:06] <rED_HErrING> tonyyarusso: k, europe or US
[10:06] <jenda> Wow!
[10:06] <tsmithe> wow!
[10:06] <jenda> That seifip guy who joined spreadubuntu is Czech.
[10:06] <rED_HErrING> wow!
[10:06] <jenda> neat.
[10:06] <jenda> Might help out.
[10:06] <tonyyarusso> rED_HErrING: Clearly US - we deserve some payback for our idiocy.  Just only hit red states
[10:07] <rED_HErrING> tonyyarusso: Texas.
[10:07] <rED_HErrING> its got a nice brown background already
[10:07] <tsmithe> jenda: lol... the german assistant at my school speaks czech... she doesnt understand our humour
[10:07] <jenda> hehe :)
[10:07] <jenda> fair tradeoff, I guess.
[10:07] <tsmithe> she said she'll have to get used to it before she watches borat
[10:07] <rED_HErrING> tonyyarusso: not likely
[10:07] <rED_HErrING> tonyyarusso: the cops dont care about my little hacking incident a few months ago
[10:08] <rED_HErrING> in fact they laughed
[10:08] <tsmithe> jenda, i think she hates us... we laugh, and she doesnt get it
[10:08] <rED_HErrING> tonyyarusso: as long as you dont look arab you're in teh clear
[10:08] <rED_HErrING> and if you're a middle age white woman you can carry knives on planes!
[10:08] <rED_HErrING> (sad but true)
[10:09] <tonyyarusso> holy crap - 35 responses to the bug report I submitted last night
[10:09] <tsmithe> now... what was SpreadUbuntu... sounds interesting... am i on it?
[10:09] <tsmithe> !bug ?
[10:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bug ? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:09] <tonyyarusso> rED_HErrING: This is true - I'm a 20-something white male, so I'm fine
[10:09] <jenda> bug #1
[10:09] <tsmithe> wait that's ubugtu
[10:09] <jenda> ubuntu 1
[10:09] <rED_HErrING> i really need to start bugfixing
[10:09] <jenda> ubuntu #1
[10:09] <jenda> argh...
[10:09] <tonyyarusso> I think you just mention bug #1
[10:09] <tsmithe> i'm confused
[10:09] <rED_HErrING> i got a question bout launchpad and bugfixing
[10:09] <tonyyarusso> But Ubugtu isn't joined to this channel
[10:09] <tsmithe> i know
[10:10] <jenda> rED_HErrING: this is not really the place...
[10:10] <tsmithe> @bug is what i wanted
[10:10] <rED_HErrING> should i just.... submit what i think are bugs or should i really figure out it before id o?
[10:10] <jenda> tonyyarusso: good point :)
[10:10] <rED_HErrING> jenda: just a general question
[10:10] <tsmithe> rED_HErrING, do that
[10:10] <tsmithe> do research beforehand so it's not vague however
[10:10] <jenda> rED_HErrING: really figure out, and this chan ain't for general questions :)
[10:10] <tsmithe> lol
[10:10] <tsmithe> it is for algae though
[10:10] <tonyyarusso> obviously
[10:11] <rED_HErrING> whats the channelf or bugs?
[10:11] <tonyyarusso> -bugs
[10:11] <tsmithe> my text box disappeared...
[10:11] <tsmithe> i cant remember the conversation now!
[10:11] <jenda> rED_HErrING: #ubuntu-bugs
[10:11] <jenda> but I'm not sure if it's the chan to actually report them in.
[10:11] <rED_HErrING> gotcha
[10:12] <rED_HErrING> jenda: yeah i know
[10:12] <tsmithe> can i join in spreadubuntu?
[10:13] <tsmithe> have i already?
[10:13] <rED_HErrING> whats spreadubuntu?!
[10:13] <tsmithe> wiki.ubuntu.com/SpreadUbuntu
[10:13] <tonyyarusso> jenda, rED_HErrING: Just report them on LP
[10:15] <tsmithe> wow it's weird how this chan gets loud and quiet so suddenly!
[10:15] <rED_HErrING> yeah...
[10:15] <rED_HErrING> really
[10:16] <tsmithe> now... what's "voice"?
[10:16] <tsmithe> stupid gorillaz
[10:16] <tsmithe> that's better
[10:16] <tsmithe> but only just
[10:16] <tsmithe> ...
[10:16] <tsmithe> ..
[10:16] <tsmithe> .
[10:16] <tsmithe> 
[10:16] <rED_HErrING> yes.
[10:16] <tsmithe> voice != yes
[10:17] <tsmithe> "-#@$# class2
[10:17] <tsmithe> "
[10:17] <tsmithe> stupid hands
[10:18] <tsmithe> so...
[10:18] <tsmithe> how's everyone's day been?
[10:18] <rED_HErrING> lame for the most part
[10:19] <tsmithe> mine was alright
[10:19] <tsmithe> a bit low in the morn: denied a place on german exchange...
[10:19] <tsmithe> but afternoon was great!
[10:20] <tsmithe> spent five hours playing trumpet
[10:20] <rED_HErrING> fun
[10:20] <tsmithe> indeed... we were making a big band cd
[10:20] <rED_HErrING> sweet
[10:20] <tsmithe> only got to do 8 tracks...
[10:20] <rED_HErrING> its 3:20 here
[10:21] <tsmithe> pm/am?
[10:21] <rED_HErrING> pm
[10:21] <tsmithe> ok
[10:21] <rED_HErrING> yeah
[10:21] <tsmithe> so you are utc-6
[10:21] <jenda> omg
[10:21] <tsmithe> where?
[10:21] <tsmithe> what?
[10:22] <jenda> tsmithe: I'm working on spreadubuntu. Once it's alive and once I'm capable of forming a new way for it to head, count yourself in :)
[10:22] <rED_HErrING> chicago
[10:22] <jenda> ooh, we're getting many chicagians here.
[10:22] <tsmithe> "Hast du etwas Zeit fur mich / Dann singe ich ein Lied fuer dich / Von 99 Luftballons"
[10:22] <tsmithe> i'm in kent
[10:22] <jenda> Unless you're the same as Admiral_Chicago.
[10:22] <rED_HErrING> jenda: just me, admiral_chicago and nix
[10:22] <tsmithe> jenda knows where
[10:22] <jenda> kk
[10:22] <rED_HErrING> jenda: i came cuz nix and admiral were talking about it in #ubuntu-chicago
[10:23] <jenda> cool :)
[10:23] <rED_HErrING> yup
[10:23] <rED_HErrING> we're pretty good with ubuntu here
[10:23] <tsmithe> "neunundneunzig luftballons auf ihrem weg zum horizont"
[10:23] <tsmithe> jenda: is that you're .diyubuntu.com site?
[10:23] <tsmithe> *your
[10:23] <jenda> Partly.
[10:24] <jenda> brb
[10:24] <tsmithe> bye
[10:25] <tsmithe> "habe einen luftballoon gefunden"
[10:26] <tsmithe> you have to guess the song
[10:26] <tsmithe> someone?
[10:26] <tsmithe> bah
[10:27] <rED_HErrING> i dont know german
[10:27] <rED_HErrING> i know someone IN germany
[10:27] <rED_HErrING> but thats about it
[10:27] <tsmithe> its 99 Luftballons by Nena!
[10:27] <tsmithe> i know little german, but it's a good song
[10:28] <tsmithe> i'd send it to you, but apparently that's illegal
[10:28] <rED_HErrING> tehe
[10:28] <rED_HErrING> trust me no one cares round here
[10:28] <tsmithe> i don't care
[10:28] <rED_HErrING> id say more but im fairly sure SOMEONEs listening
[10:28] <tsmithe> i think it shouldnt be
[10:28] <tsmithe> me
[10:28] <tsmithe> too
[10:28] <tsmithe> bloody Thought Police
[10:28] <rED_HErrING> for the record i do NOT pirate software
[10:28] <rED_HErrING> NEVER
[10:28] <rED_HErrING> EVER!!
[10:29] <tsmithe> me neither
[10:29] <rED_HErrING> METHINK DOUBLEPLUSGOOD
[10:29] <tsmithe> i believe it counters the spread of open source software
[10:29] <tsmithe> i'll be glad when i'm convicted of thought crime. and also unglad
[10:30] <tsmithe> damn i'm already using newspeak
[10:30] <rED_HErrING> i disagree
[10:30] <tsmithe> doubleplusunglad
[10:30] <rED_HErrING> pirating software leads you to belive that ALL software should be free
[10:30] <rED_HErrING> THUS
[10:30] <rED_HErrING> FOSS
[10:30] <tsmithe> no
[10:30] <rED_HErrING> more pirating = more people who belive software should be free
[10:30] <tsmithe> it makes people stick with what they have
[10:30] <tsmithe> they get it for free
[10:30] <rED_HErrING> tsmithe: both happen
[10:30] <tsmithe> why change
[10:30] <tsmithe> ok
[10:30] <tsmithe> truce
[10:30] <rED_HErrING> yeah
[10:30] <lophyte> doubleplusgood day folks
[10:30] <rED_HErrING> folks?
[10:31] <tsmithe> lophyte, oh why?
[10:31] <tsmithe> oh
[10:31] <rED_HErrING> i dont comprehend "folks" do you mean "people"?
[10:31] <lophyte> yes
[10:31] <tsmithe> i thought you said "doubleplus*un*good"
[10:31] <lophyte> folks.. people..everyone...
[10:31] <tsmithe> how can he not know
[10:31] <tsmithe> ?
[10:31] <rED_HErrING> in newspeak pluswords like folks are unneccesarry and ungood
[10:31] <lophyte> actually it is rather ungood
[10:31] <rED_HErrING> i love that book
[10:31] <lophyte> oh, sorry..
[10:32] <lophyte> it should be
[10:32] <tsmithe> "shoot the runner, shoot shoot the runner, i'm your king and she's my queen, bitch"
[10:32] <lophyte> doubleplusgood day my comrads
[10:32] <tsmithe> indeed
[10:32] <lophyte> its been a while since I read it
[10:32] <tsmithe> winston never saw the eleventh edition, however
[10:32] <tsmithe> poor dude
[10:32] <tsmithe> i just finished it
[10:32] <tsmithe> i intend to read it again
[10:32] <tsmithe> then write an essay
[10:32] <tsmithe> add it to my collection
[10:33] <rED_HErrING> have fun.
[10:33] <lophyte> ever read animal farm?
[10:33] <tsmithe> i will :)
[10:33] <rED_HErrING> course
[10:33] <lophyte> its like the children's version of 1984
[10:33] <rED_HErrING> i read it in 6th grade
[10:33] <tsmithe> lophyte, no - i was in it. it was sad
[10:33] <tsmithe> i don't wanna read it
[10:33] <lophyte> you were in it?
[10:33] <tsmithe> yeah
[10:33] <tsmithe> i was a farmer and a pig
[10:33] <lophyte> ah, lol
[10:33] <tsmithe> lol
[10:33] <tsmithe> as in, a play!
[10:34] <tsmithe> i think communism is an ideal that won't work, but is something to strive for. it would be nice to have the means of production indeed in the power of the workers
[10:34] <rED_HErrING> i belive in total and absolute freedom - anarchy if you will
[10:34] <tsmithe> and for according to ability, to according to need
[10:34] <tsmithe> but who decided need and ability
[10:34] <rED_HErrING> i think we naturally abide by most laws
[10:34] <tsmithe> so do it
[10:35] <tsmithe> *i
[10:35] <lophyte> I disagree
[10:35] <tsmithe> that's exactly what i feel
[10:35] <rED_HErrING> and the few that *need* enforcing we enfore
[10:35] <tsmithe> yes
[10:35] <rED_HErrING> aka stealing, murder, rape
[10:35] <tsmithe> good!
[10:35] <rED_HErrING> but other than those
[10:35] <lophyte> oh
[10:35] <rED_HErrING> its a free market
[10:35] <lophyte> well then
[10:35] <tsmithe> do you wanna help me start my country
[10:35] <lophyte> I agree
[10:35] <rED_HErrING> tsmithe: sure.
[10:35] <tsmithe> we will not be calling it oceania, eastasia, or eurasia
[10:35] <tsmithe> not even as a parody
[10:36] <rED_HErrING> lets call it ubuntuland just for kicks
[10:36] <tsmithe> GO AWAY GORILLAZ!
[10:36] <lophyte> lol
[10:36] <tsmithe> ok
[10:36] <lophyte> ubuntistan
[10:36] <tsmithe> i'm not in the mood for ripping rap rhythms
[10:36] <rED_HErrING> lophyte: k.
[10:36] <tsmithe> ubuntistan is a good name... since ubuntu is a good word
[10:36] <rED_HErrING> tis
[10:37] <tsmithe> now... we need to find a place
[10:37] <lophyte> I've always wanted to look up the meaning of 'istan'.. I get the feeling it means 'land' in some arabic language
[10:37] <lophyte> ISTANbul.. pakISTAN, afghanISTAN..
[10:37] <lophyte> kinda like ireLAND, scotLAND.. etc.
[10:37] <rED_HErrING> tsmithe: new island in the atlantic?
[10:37] <tsmithe> cool
[10:38] <lophyte> let's just move to the isle of man
[10:38] <tsmithe> rED_HErrING, how do we check on those who commit the crimes in our anarchic system? we would need a hierarchy
[10:38] <tsmithe> ok
[10:38] <tsmithe> nearer home than chicago
[10:38] <rED_HErrING> tsmithe: no no, hierarchy ruins most of it
[10:38] <tsmithe> exactly
[10:38] <tsmithe> but we would end up needing one:
[10:39] <tsmithe> 1. the punishers
[10:39] <tsmithe> 2. the free
[10:39] <tsmithe> 3. the punished
[10:39] <tsmithe> that becomes this:
[10:39] <tsmithe> 1. the High
[10:39] <rED_HErrING> the punishers should be a very small percentage of the population
[10:39] <tsmithe> 2. the Middle
[10:39] <tsmithe> 3. the Low
[10:39] <rED_HErrING> exactly.
[10:39] <rED_HErrING> so...
[10:39] <tsmithe> and so we find ourselves in the current situation
[10:40] <tsmithe> what to do?
[10:40] <rED_HErrING> hrm
[10:40] <rED_HErrING> so this is why i hate governments
[10:40] <tsmithe> constant war to deplete the means of production?
[10:40] <tsmithe> and therefore stop equality?
[10:40] <rED_HErrING> sounds like a plan
[10:41] <tsmithe> right
[10:41] <tsmithe> call me Big Brother
[10:41] <B-B> so...
[10:41] <B-B> let the two minutes hate be at what time?
[10:41] <rED_HErrING> lets make a total free for all
[10:41] <rED_HErrING> i'd just like to see how it works
[10:41] <rED_HErrING> a TOTAL and COMPLETE free for all
[10:41] <B-B> ok... but then some would rise up, and overpower others
[10:41] <B-B> it's unstoppable
[10:42] <rED_HErrING> would they?
[10:42] <B-B> unless you have people to enforce that by which it is stopped
[10:42] <B-B> yes
[10:42] <lophyte> you know what I'd like to see?
[10:42] <lophyte> or rather
[10:42] <rED_HErrING> how do you give power to people?
[10:42] <B-B> what?
[10:42] <lophyte> what woul be interesting to see
[10:42] <lophyte> but highly illegal
[10:42] <rED_HErrING> i say we elect a VERY small group of officials
[10:42] <B-B> you can't
[10:42] <B-B> you can only taking
[10:42] <lophyte> raise a child from birth with little to no social interaction
[10:42] <B-B> rED_HErrING, an oligarchy?
[10:42] <lophyte> and see how they turn out
[10:42] <rED_HErrING> but all they can do is arrest for murder etc.
[10:42] <B-B> lophyte, the truman show?
[10:43] <lophyte> no.. truman had social interaction
[10:43] <B-B> rED_HErrING, or thoughtcrime?
[10:43] <B-B> ok...
[10:43] <lophyte> I mean.. completely isolated
[10:43] <B-B> an autistic child
[10:43] <B-B> ?
[10:43] <B-B> you can't have that
[10:43] <lophyte> hmm.. maybe.
[10:43] <B-B> food?
[10:43] <lophyte> food is fed through a hole in the wall
[10:43] <rED_HErrING> i think when we say "taking something thats not yours" is illegal
[10:43] <lophyte> like a caged animal
[10:43] <rED_HErrING> we run into so many problem
[10:43] <B-B> the child would die
[10:43] <rED_HErrING> s
[10:43] <rED_HErrING> therefore
[10:43] <B-B> ...
[10:43] <rED_HErrING> stealing is legal, but any means of deterring stealing is ALSO legal
[10:43] <rED_HErrING> therefore if a robber comes in your house
[10:43] <B-B> yes
[10:44] <rED_HErrING> pwn him with a shotgun
[10:44] <lophyte> but that's murder
[10:44] <jenda> yay
[10:44] <B-B> what if the guy kills you?
[10:44] <B-B> hi jenda
[10:44] <rED_HErrING> lophyte: not if hes stealing
[10:44] <jenda> hello B-B
[10:44] <B-B> jenda, we are forming a new country
[10:44] <jenda> a micronation? neat
[10:44] <B-B> have you read /the book/?
[10:44] <rED_HErrING> if he murders you hes breaking a law, if you murder him cuz hes robbing you its fine
[10:44] <jenda> If you need a lawyer...
[10:44] <B-B> yay!
[10:44] <B-B> rED_HErrING, who enforces that law?
[10:44] <lophyte> rED_HErrING: okay, but then how do you prove he was robbing you?
[10:44] <B-B> the High?
[10:45] <rED_HErrING> B-B: the small hierarchy
[10:45] <tsmithe-the-prot> damn
[10:45] <tsmithe> rED_HErrING, you mean oligarchy
[10:45] <rED_HErrING> lophyte: thats why you dont shoot anyone who walks in your house
[10:45] <tsmithe> and they will always want more control
[10:46] <tsmithe> it is in human nature: survival of the fittest
[10:46] <tsmithe> you cannot have anarchy
[10:46] <tsmithe> you cannot have communism
[10:46] <tsmithe> you cannot have corporatism
[10:46] <rED_HErrING> govermnment is doomed to fail
[10:46] <tsmithe> you cannot have capitalism
[10:46] <rED_HErrING> thus: anarchy
[10:46] <tsmithe> thus government
[10:47] <tsmithe> as a result of the anarchy
[10:47] <rED_HErrING> true
[10:47] <rED_HErrING> its all just a cycle
[10:47] <tsmithe> this, at least, has been proven by history
[10:47] <rED_HErrING> sin(wt) if you will
[10:47] <tsmithe> rED_HErrING, "sin(wt)"?
[10:47] <rED_HErrING> tsmithe: physics....
[10:47] <tsmithe> oh sine?
[10:48] <rED_HErrING> the yeah
[10:48] <rED_HErrING> i cant understand ya'll, you're muddering
[10:48] <tsmithe> so... what about democratic socialism?
[10:49] <rED_HErrING> america will fail eventually
[10:49] <tsmithe> yes
[10:49] <rED_HErrING> its already beginning to
[10:49] <tsmithe> so will new labour britain
[10:49] <rED_HErrING> because its progressing towards less and less freedoms
[10:49] <rED_HErrING> until people get fed up
[10:49] <tsmithe> same here
[10:49] <tsmithe> same here
[10:49] <rED_HErrING> and we plunge back into anarchy
[10:49] <tsmithe> rather like microsoft eh?
[10:49] <rED_HErrING> and thus: more govermnent
[10:49] <lophyte> haha
[10:49] <tsmithe> yay!
[10:50] <tsmithe> moments are boring
[10:50] <tsmithe> #politics is full of evangelists
[10:50] <tsmithe> and i DID bring back to topic
[10:50] <tsmithe> "<tsmithe> rather like microsoft eh?"
[10:51] <rED_HErrING> agreed
[10:51] <rED_HErrING> no ones talking about anything GOOD right now
[10:51] <tsmithe> yay!
[10:52] <tsmithe> so what about logs
[10:52] <tsmithe> ?
[10:52] <tsmithe> eh?
[10:52] <tsmithe> they're made by a machine
[10:52] <rED_HErrING> this is logged?!?!?
[10:52] <tsmithe> yes
[10:52] <jenda> that's what ubuntulog is for.
[10:52] <tsmithe> ubuntulog is here
[10:52] <rED_HErrING> since when do logs prove anything.
[10:52] <jenda> !enter
[10:52] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[10:52] <jenda> :)
[10:52] <tsmithe> !enter
[10:52] <tsmithe> uhoh
[10:52] <tsmithe> they've come to get me...
[10:52] <jenda> They are made by a machine, but read by humans.
[10:53] <tsmithe> which poor soul has that tiresome job?
[10:53] <tsmithe> and why?
[10:53] <jenda> and utterly useless when the part after the - in the channel name is ignored...
[10:53] <tsmithe> but politics IS important
[10:53] <jenda> anyone who is interested in Ubuntu marketing, but does'nt hang in here, tsmithe.
[10:53] <jenda> that's what it's for.
[10:53] <jenda> It's not important for marketing.
[10:53] <rED_HErrING> jenda: never know
[10:53] <rED_HErrING> it actually might be
[10:53] <tsmithe> it is
[10:54] <tsmithe> it's all in the spirit of open development
[10:54] <jenda> I'm not saying you can't say anything in the channel :) I'm just reminding you to keep the topic in mind.
[10:54] <rED_HErrING> jenda: honestly.... you never know
[10:54] <tsmithe> "bababababababababababababababababababababababababa" <- start of "English Country Garden (The Darkness)"
[10:54] <jenda> honestly, I'm tired. Good night :)
[10:54] <tsmithe> byee
[10:54] <rED_HErrING> night?
[10:54] <tsmithe> it's night in britain
[10:54] <jenda> yes.
[10:54] <tsmithe> and night+1 in prague
[10:55] <tsmithe> "i've never seen a bail of hay move so fast"
[10:55] <tsmithe> "i cherished you and you tolerated me"
[10:55] <tsmithe> "in an english country garden"
[10:55] <tsmithe> "jardin, jardin, jardin"
[10:55] <tsmithe> "babaabababababababababababababa ba aba ba ab aba aba ba ab"
[10:55] <tsmithe> ba ba ba ba ba ba
[10:56] <rED_HErrING> now THAT is spam.
[10:56] <tsmithe> sorry
[10:56] <tsmithe> once again, it is a *good* song
[10:56] <rED_HErrING> and you yelled at us for REAL talking
[10:56] <tsmithe> i'd send it to you, but they say it's illegal
[10:56] <tsmithe> stupid thought police
[10:56] <tsmithe> uhoh
[10:56] <tsmithe> i need to do it again
[10:56] <jenda> tsmithe: honestly... you're over the channel limit now.
[10:56] <rED_HErrING> tsmithe: you can beam it over to me via mindwaves
[10:56] <rED_HErrING> thats still legal
[10:56] <tsmithe> ok...
[10:58] <tsmithe> rED_HErrING, you're not listening!
[10:59] <rED_HErrING> oh sorry
[11:00] <tsmithe> in the private message window thingy
[11:02] <jenda> thank you.
[11:03] <tsmithe> any time ;)
[11:03] <tsmithe> all you need do is ask ;)
[11:25] <poningru> ...
[11:31] <ttoine> hello
[11:31] <ttoine> somebody here  ?
[11:32] <jenda> barely....
[11:32] <ttoine> i was at the uds-mtv
[11:32] <ttoine> and was interested by the ubuntu marketing team
[11:32] <jenda> neat-o :)
[11:34] <ttoine> neat ?
[11:34] <ttoine> what does it mean ?
[11:34] <jenda> It means welcome ;)
[11:35] <ttoine> ok
[11:35] <jenda> be sure to subscribe to the mailing list too, to see what's up.
[11:35] <ttoine> ok
[11:35] <jenda> It's near midnight for me, and I'm slowly trying to go to bed :)
[11:49] <ttoine> jenda: i am french
[11:49] <ttoine> so on the same time line
[12:01] <rED_HErrING> every time i see ompaul i think it says OMGpaul and i laugh
[12:02] <ompaul> glad I contribute to your hilarious repository
[12:02] <ompaul> :)
[12:02] <ttoine> ok
[12:02] <ttoine> i will come back tomorrow to chat a bit
[12:02] <ttoine> bye
[12:03] <rED_HErrING> ompaul: yeah, now if your nick WAS omgpaul that would be like 10x cooler
[12:03] <ompaul> rED_HErrING, and my name would not be what it is .. and as the nick is based on my name ..
[12:03] <rED_HErrING> true, unlike my nick
[12:04] <ompaul> that is a bit of a rED_HErrING to throw into the conversation
[12:05] <rED_HErrING> aye ;-) glad to see someone understands the nick