[12:16] <jeroenvrp> well after the elections here I will try to contact them
[12:17] <jeroenvrp> anyhow thanks
[12:21] <Riddell> imbrandon: oh, I mind, it was pqxx
[12:21] <Riddell> for kexi
[12:22] <imbrandon> ahh ok so graphicsmagic for kipi-plugins and pqxx for kexi ?
[12:23] <Riddell> graphicsmaick for krita and kipi-plugs
[12:23] <imbrandon> kk
[12:23] <imbrandon> ajmitch: hrm I must not be in the sudoers yet, can you poke sireheart
[12:24] <imbrandon> brandon@tiber:~$ sudo su - revu1 revu-key update
[12:24] <imbrandon> Password:
[12:24] <imbrandon> Sorry, user brandon is not allowed to execute '/bin/su - revu1 revu-key update' as root on tiber.serverpronto.com.
[12:24] <imbrandon> brandon@tiber:~$           
[12:24] <imbrandon> brandon@tiber:~$ sudo su revu1 - revu-key update
[12:24] <imbrandon> Sorry, user brandon is not allowed to execute '/bin/su revu1 - revu-key update' as root on tiber.serverpronto.com.
[12:24] <imbrandon> brandon@tiber:~$      
[12:24] <imbrandon> ignore the former
[12:24] <imbrandon> heh
[12:25] <fdoving> gnite.
[12:25] <imbrandon> gnight fdoving 
[12:37] <kwwii> Riddell: sounds great...keep me updated :-)
[12:37] <kwwii> time now for sleep
[12:37] <imbrandon> gnight kwwii 
[12:37] <kwwii> bye
[12:49] <allee> Riddell: does kipi-plugins already work with graphicsmagick?  AFAIK kipi rel is planed for christmas too.  So good time to bug upstream about graphicsmagic is now
[12:52] <Riddell> allee: I asked and they said it should work fine since it only runs the command line apps not use the library
[12:52] <Riddell> nixternal: I ran apt-get -f install on my bulid machine and smbfs got installed and smb4k seems to run fine now
[12:52] <Riddell> not that I have any windows shares to test it with
[12:58] <nixternal> well, my main system is dead right now with sudoers issues
[01:00] <Riddell> :(
[01:01] <gnomefreak> are we pushing koffice 1.6 in feisty?
[01:03] <Riddell> gnomefreak: no, I'm waiting for 1.6.1
[01:03] <Riddell> which I'm compiling right now actually
[01:03] <Riddell> but it won't be released until saturday, if then
[01:03] <nixternal> interesting..it did the same here as well Riddell 
[01:04] <gnomefreak> ok ill keep the 1.6 repo for now than
[01:04] <nixternal> the -f so it grabbed smbfs during install worked out
[01:04] <Riddell> nixternal: and it can see smb shares?
[01:04] <nixternal> yup
[01:04] <Riddell> nixternal: sorted, shall I upload then?
[01:04] <nixternal> heh, sure
[01:05] <nixternal> how do you fix a corrupted sudoers file?
[01:05] <Riddell> overwrite it with a fixed one
[01:06] <nixternal> i will have to do that from a recovery
[01:07] <Riddell> visudo is your friend
[01:08] <nixternal> i have visudo but never used it
[01:08] <nixternal> don't know how to use it
[01:08] <ajmitch> how'd you corrupt it?
[01:08] <nixternal> i have no clue
[01:08] <nixternal> i did a sudo blah and it told me 
[01:08] <nixternal> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 0
[01:09] <nixternal> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 5 <<<
[01:09] <nixternal> and bunch of those 9-9 actually
[01:09] <ajmitch> fun
[01:09] <ajmitch> really broken then
[01:14] <nixternal> smb4k hosed my sudoers file
[01:14] <nixternal> i hate that program ;)
[01:15] <nixternal> hahaha
[01:15] <Riddell> err, erk
[01:15] <Riddell> did it edit it or you?
[01:15] <nixternal> somehow when i ran smb4k from the command line, and it did smb4k_cat, it took everything from the command line and put it in sudoers
[01:15] <nixternal> im guessing smb4k did it
[01:15] <nixternal> i didn't do it
[01:15] <nixternal> that i can guarantee
[01:16] <Riddell> warg
[01:16] <Riddell> I think I might not upload it
[01:16] <nixternal> let me fix my sudoers file, and i will try to break it again
[01:16] <nixternal> mind you, this was done on an edgy box
[01:16] <nixternal> with the one that is currently in our repos
[01:17] <Hobbsee> ouch
[01:18] <Riddell> double warg
[01:18] <nixternal> heh
[01:18] <nixternal> let me run it from the command line again, and try and figure out which part of the app calls the smb4k_cat
[01:19] <nixternal> actually, let me grep history
[01:19] <Riddell> keep a root shell around just incase
[01:19] <nixternal> im not worried ;)
[01:19] <nixternal> lol
[01:20] <nixternal> i can still use the computer, just couldn't sudo
[01:20] <nixternal> should be fixed now
[01:20] <nixternal> sudo works again!!!
[01:21] <nixternal> first time i used visudo that i can think of
[01:21] <Riddell> it just runs an editor then a syntax checker on the edited file
[01:24] <nixternal> is there a kdesu history at all?
[01:27] <Riddell> no, although sudo keeps a log
[01:27] <nixternal> i can't get it to happen again Riddell
[01:28] <nixternal> i must have botched up/fat fingered a command im guessing
[01:28] <Riddell> worst sort of bug!
[01:28] <nixternal> hehe
[01:30] <Hobbsee> yay, heisenburg bugs!
[01:30] <nixternal> ya, starting smb4k with smbfs and kdesu working is a good thing ;)
[01:30] <imbrandon> hrm Riddell what would be the best way for k-d-s to rm the .hidden in / ( tonio did an update at UDS to not have it installed anymore , but upgrades its still there )
[01:31] <imbrandon> just have it rm the link in postinst ?
[01:33] <Riddell> imbrandon: it'll get removed in upgrades unless it's been modified by hand
[01:33] <nixternal> ok, im ready for more work people!
[01:33] <imbrandon> hrm , it dident here, but i might have modified it
[01:34] <nixternal> i have a MOTU goal to reach by April
[01:38] <Riddell> nixternal: see merges link above :)
[01:39] <nixternal> main or universe?
[01:42] <Riddell> universe mostly easier
[01:43] <nixternal> roger dodger!
[01:43] <gnomefreak> python-qt4 = broken package   is this known or is this me
[01:44] <gnomefreak> its rendering kubuntu-desktop from being installed
[01:44] <gnomefreak> stopping even :(
[01:46] <gnomefreak> it looks like python-qt4 depends on python-sip4 (< 4.5) but 4.5-0ubuntu1 wants to be installed
[01:53] <Riddell> gnomefreak: it's known, I'll fix it tomorrow
[01:53] <gnomefreak> ok
[02:11] <robotgeek> Riddell: taking a look now, i have to download the thing
[02:17] <robotgeek> Riddell: video looks cool, i wonder why he did not just use ubuntu video
[05:13] <freeflying> Riddell: qt-3.3.7 can not use xim too
[07:36] <imbrandon> Riddell: ping
[07:44] <nixternal> wasabi bum
[07:44] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/shirt2.png
[07:45] <nixternal> come on brandon with your 1337 photoshop skillz..hack us a t-shirt ;)
[07:45] <crimsun> Yeah, one-third of the MOTU trinity should be able to hack up a tee in no time.
[07:45] <nixternal> hehe
[07:47] <imbrandon> lol
[07:49] <nixternal> i would buy one if someone would sell one
[07:49] <imbrandon> nixternal: you really want an image for a shirt? what demensions etc ?
[07:50] <imbrandon> nixternal: Riddell has a few for sale , i bought one ( well i still owe him $15 for it ) at USD , he sells them for 30 or 35 iirc
[07:50] <nixternal> 30 or 35
[07:50] <imbrandon> ( basicly just the cost of printing )
[07:50] <imbrandon> i dont rember , i think 35 but it might be 30 LOL
[07:50] <nixternal> is it just a plain kubuntu t-shirt?
[07:51] <imbrandon> err , maybe 25
[07:51] <nixternal> that sounds very high
[07:51] <imbrandon> yea 25, because i gave him 10 at UDS and i still owe him 15
[07:51] <imbrandon> LOL
[07:51] <imbrandon> anyhow, what ever they are, Riddell has them
[07:52] <imbrandon> they are like the one Riddell is wearing in the group kubuntu photo 
[07:52] <imbrandon> nixternal: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/uds_mtv/kubuntu_uds_mtv.jpg
[07:55] <nixternal> i like when my bank deposits free money into my account
[08:07] <Riddell> imbrandon: pong
[08:08] <imbrandon> anything special you want added to UWN ?
[08:09] <Riddell> imbrandon: a call to help with merges I guess
[08:09] <Riddell> otherwise not really
[08:09] <imbrandon> kk
[08:09] <Hobbsee> is that kubuntu specific/
[08:09] <Riddell> no, it's not
[08:09] <Hobbsee> seems there arent that many
[08:09] <imbrandon> yea we have the merge thing in there and a blirb about the few kde uploads
[08:09] <imbrandon> that will be good for this week i guess :)
[08:10] <Hobbsee> but today's been a bit weird
[08:12] <Riddell> imbrandon: why UWN today?  it's not the weekend yet
[08:12] <imbrandon> Riddell: because he was late with the last one, so trying to cram one in before sunday
[08:13] <imbrandon> he == burgurvania
[08:13] <imbrandon> but it will be back on its normal sunday schedule after this
[08:14] <Riddell> right, cool
[09:55] <Riddell> Lure: kdebase ubuntu3.1 is in proposed, can you confirm it fixes the problem?
[10:28] <Lure> Riddell: I am running since this morning with no side effects and it fixes the crash on logout dialog (with "shutdown options"  set to off)
[10:29] <Lure> will update LP when available
[10:29] <Riddell> thanks
[10:30] <Lure> Riddell: hope that some of the reporters will test it too before release to -updates
[10:31] <Riddell> Lure: yes, please request this on the bug once lauchpad is back up
[11:58] <Riddell> nixternal: what happened to smb4k on revu?
[12:05] <Riddell> nixternal: found it, uploaded
[12:21] <seaLne> Riddell: i can now login graphically to feisty
[12:22] <Hobbsee> seaLne: yay :)  you couldnt?
[12:22] <seaLne> not sure what the problem was as i still couldn't after you added that file
[12:22] <seaLne> Hobbsee: err nope i broke my machine on friday
[12:22] <Hobbsee> oh, yeah, that was you, right
[12:22] <seaLne> it took my colleagues till yesterday to notice i wasn't using my desktop :)
[12:23] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:23] <seaLne> it was quite annoying tho
[12:23] <Riddell> seaLne: what changed?
[12:24] <Jucato> when upgrading from Edgy to Feisty (fresh install), kubuntu-desktop, hwdb, and python-qt4 get removed? and I can't reinstall python-qt4 because of python-sip. is this normal?
[12:24] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes
[12:24] <Jucato> ah
[12:24] <Hobbsee> Jucato: we decided that we should be innovative, and not let kubuntu-desktop be installable at any time during feisty.
[12:24] <Jucato> so that means no more kubuntu-desktop?
[12:24] <Hobbsee> correct
[12:25] <Jucato> ooh... there will also be less problems when you try to remove something that was installed by default, right?
[12:25] <Riddell> Jucato: yes, it's known, I'm working on qt4 now
[12:25] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[12:26] <Jucato> Riddell: ah ok. I thought I did something wrong. thanks! :)
[12:26] <Hobbsee> Jucato: of course.  :P
[12:26] <Jucato> Hobbsee: me likey! :)
[12:26] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:26] <Jucato> but kubuntu-desktop will still be available, right? so that Ubuntu users could easily convert to our side? :P
[12:26] <Hobbsee> of course.  
[12:27] <Jucato> yay! me extremely likey!
[12:28] <seaLne> Riddell: i'm not sure what could have changed that fixed it as i couldn't login via gdm either or to gnome, nothing overnight that i can see could have effected that
[12:29] <Riddell> seaLne: crazy
[12:30] <gnomefreak> Jucato: the python depends issue is being fixed today. i asked about it lastnight
[12:30] <Jucato> gnomefreak: ah ok. I think I wasn't around (or wasn't listening) 
[12:31] <gnomefreak> you werent around ;)
[12:31] <Jucato> ah :)
[01:11] <maysun> how is ubuntu, kubuntu and xubuntu organised? does the core development happen within "ubuntu", and sub projects like "kubuntu" and "xubuntu" base their work on that? or are all 3 independent projects?
[01:13] <Hobbsee> maysun: they all use the same repositories, and share the same work.
[01:15] <maysun> so if somebody is interested in ubuntu development in general, he better starts exploring the ubuntu project?
[01:16] <Hobbsee> you can explore any part of it you like.  i'd try joining #ubuntu-motu and having a look at the links in the topic
[01:16] <Riddell> maysun: yes
[01:16] <Riddell> maysun: but if you like KDE stuff, hang around here
[01:16] <maysun> yes, KDE is my prefered desktop environment
[01:16] <gnomefreak> anyone have tonios repo on hand?
[01:17] <maysun> Riddell, i hope you dont mind that you hugged a male dude :-)
[01:18] <Hobbsee> maysun: most people in here arent female
[01:18] <maysun> yeah, the *-women projects seem small, no matter if debian, ubuntu or other
[01:19] <Hobbsee> maysun: i've been harrassed by a moron in the #ubuntu-women channel.  i'm not sure that they are more than a predator ground.  the irc channel, at least
[01:19] <Hobbsee> #debian-women seemed to be better, with more people, when i went there
[01:20] <maysun> i know thats quite risky to say, and a sensitive topic in general. but the females i met on the internet who deal with "geek stuff" often have a rude and obscure personality
[01:21] <Hobbsee> maysun: they can do.  they're certainly not "normal" in terms of their interests
[01:21] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i'm sure it has.
[01:24] <Riddell> anyway..
[01:24] <Riddell> maysun: any paticular part of kubuntu you think you'd like to help out on?
[01:24] <Riddell> packaging, documentation, bug fixing, testing...
[01:26] <maysun> Hobbsee, well. i did not mean anything related to interests. i mean the personality thing
[01:26] <Jucato> (all of the above?)
[01:26] <maysun> Riddell, so far my interests are a bit of everything
[01:26] <maysun> but i am no professional coder
[01:26] <Jucato> hehe.. I found someone a bit like me :)
[01:27] <maysun> so i am not sure yet where i could become useful
[01:27] <maysun> Jucato :-p
[01:28] <Hobbsee> maysun: true.  girls have to be more used to copping crap, and just ignoring it.  in that sense, you might find them slightly harsh
[01:28] <maysun> but generally said, i like the philosophy to improve usability of "linux" so people can benefit from a free operating system, who dont want to study computer science just to do their stuff
[01:28] <Riddell> maysun: ok, here's a task, test this koffice archive "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/not-koffice-161/ edgy main"
[01:28] <Riddell> same task to everyone else too :)
[01:28] <Jucato> speaking of girls... I haven't seen el around lately
[01:28] <Hobbsee> maysun: it's a known fact - you get me on a few select topics, and i'll blast you.  but would a male do any diffferently?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hah.  not-koffice again
[01:29] <gnomefreak> Jucato: elkbuntu?
[01:29] <Jucato> Riddell: just install it to test, right?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: nope.  el has short hair
[01:29] <Riddell> Jucato: yes, and run the apps to see if they work
[01:29] <gnomefreak> it works fine here. i havent ran into any issues with that repo yet
[01:29] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: oh
[01:29] <Riddell> gnomefreak: koffice 1.6.1?
[01:29] <Jucato> ok. I'm using KWord a lot lately :)
[01:29] <gnomefreak> ohno
[01:30] <gnomefreak> Riddell: you have a feisty repo for it or just use the edgy one for now?
[01:30] <maysun> Hobbsee, my main problem is perfectionism of a few people, who turn into haters when others dont follow their perfectionism. and according to my observation, a few females try to be "better than men" in that field.
[01:30] <Riddell> gnomefreak: just use edgy
[01:30] <gnomefreak> ok 
[01:32] <maysun> but i might be off topic with my babbling. i am sorry :-)
[01:33] <Jucato> hm... what is really the "recommended" way of  upgrading packages? upgrade or dist-upgrade? Adept uses dist-upgrade, right?
[01:33] <gnomefreak> Jucato: on feisty or edgy
[01:33] <Jucato> edgy
[01:33] <Riddell> I've never seen much point in upgrade
[01:33] <gnomefreak> dist-upgrade is fine
[01:34] <Jucato> ah
[01:34] <Hobbsee> maysun: yeah, well.  people do that, at times :(
[01:34] <gnomefreak> Riddell: its better to use on devel systems i hear (less chance of a screw up) but i still use dist-upgrade
[01:34] <mornfall|work> brm
[01:34] <Hobbsee> hey mornfall|work!
[01:34] <mornfall|work> hey hey
[01:41] <gnomefreak> kplato is new 
[01:41] <Jucato> kplato was there before. but now it's being installed by default in dist-upgrade (not in plain upgrade)
[01:41] <gnomefreak> oh it was?
[01:42] <Jucato> yes
[01:42] <Jucato> well... iirc
[01:42] <gnomefreak> i had koffice 1.6 installed and now with dist-upgrade its installing it makes me think it wasnt there before or it would remove the old one
[01:43] <gnomefreak> or just upgrade it
[01:43] <gnomefreak> it was there before
[01:43] <gnomefreak> thats weird
[01:44] <Jucato> ah my mistake. kplato is in universe
[01:44] <Jucato> < 1.6.1
[01:44] <gnomefreak> maybe it wasnt part of the meta package koffice
[01:44] <Jucato> or... maybe... hold on.. :)
[01:44] <gnomefreak> until 1.6.1
[01:44] <Jucato> maybe in the kubuntu.org repos, kplato is part of koffice. but in Edgy, it's in universe by default
[01:44] <gnomefreak> 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages
[01:45] <Riddell> I'm not sure if kplato is considered stable now, should be
[01:45] <gnomefreak> even with the 1.6 repo it wasnt installed with koffice
[01:45] <Jucato> gnomefreak: maybe in kubuntu.org repos/packages only
[01:46] <gnomefreak> eh ill play with it today :)
[01:50] <Jucato> I've been playing with KWord the whole week (and pulling my hair out at the same time...)
[02:02] <gnomefreak> Riddell: on the python-qt4 install issue cant you just remove python-sip4 (<< 4.5) from depends and rebuild. (asking so i know if thats all)
[02:02] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: nope
[02:02] <Hobbsee> well, you can, but it will ftbfs
[02:03] <gnomefreak> there is a python-qt4 depends already there for python-sip4 >=4.4.5
[02:04] <gnomefreak> oh i think i understand. the << is there because things depends on smaller than 4.5 so those depends would need to be changed also
[02:04] <Hobbsee> effectively
[02:05] <Hobbsee> and the later versions of python-sip4 dont actually build with python-qt4
[02:05] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:05] <Hobbsee> try it if you like - undefined stuff, fails pretty early during make
[02:06] <gnomefreak> i think i ran into that with eclipse where i took the << one out and fixed the one issue but failed on other depends and i gave up cause it was a big damn circle of building
[02:06] <Jucato> darn.. didn't document the bump I ran into in upgrading to koffice 1.6.1...
[02:06] <gnomefreak> bump?
[02:07] <gnomefreak> so far so good here
[02:07] <Jucato> I had to "sudo apt-get -f install" to finish the upgrade...
[02:07] <Jucato> the dist-upgrade rather
[02:07] <gnomefreak> what was wrong with it?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: then you fix the circle first.
[02:08] <Jucato> "kpresenter: Depends: kpresenter-data (> 1:1.6.1) but 1:1.6.0-0ubuntu1 is installed"
[02:08] <gnomefreak> Jucato: you got that on dist-upgrade?
[02:08] <Jucato> yep. I was upgrading through Adept Updater when I just checked and it said that it encountered problems. so I ran "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in Konsole and got that
[02:08] <gnomefreak> Riddell: there is an failed to overwrite on upgrade to 1.6.1
[02:09] <Jucato> gnomefreak: but -f install fixed it
[02:09] <gnomefreak> i didnt run into that thank god i have one im gonna need to --force-overwrite :)
[02:10] <gnomefreak> where do you want 1.6.1 bugs filed? if at all any
[02:11] <Riddell> gnomefreak: bah, what's the details?
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: killall katapult && katapult
[02:11] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I do Alt+Space, Ctrl+C, Configure, OK :)
[02:11] <gnomefreak> pkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kpresenter-data_1%3a1.6.1-0ubuntu1~edgy1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/services/ole_powerpoint97_import.desktop', which is also in package koffice-libs
[02:11] <Riddell> gnomefreak: I've not looked at python-qt4 yet, qt4 itself is still compiling away
[02:11] <Riddell> gnomefreak: mm, ok, thanks
[02:11] <gnomefreak> thats related?
[02:13] <gnomefreak> lol i cant play with it
[02:13] <Hobbsee> why not?
[02:13] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i have no menu entries for any kde apps
[02:13] <Hobbsee> ahh
[02:14] <gnomefreak> wait i do after refresh
[02:15] <gnomefreak> only a couple amarok and krita
[02:18] <Jucato> hm... so what's new in 1.6.1?
[02:18] <gnomefreak> oops thats my fault i forgot to run dpkg after overwriting the 
[02:18] <gnomefreak> that*
[03:58] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:59] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:59] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[03:59] <Jucato> Riddell: any particular part/feature of KOffice 1.6.1 you want to be tested? KWord works fine so far. (don't know how to use KPlato, though)
[04:01] <freeflying_> Jucato: kword can support M$'s doc fine now?
[04:02] <Jucato> by support, what do you mean?
[04:02] <gnomefreak> i think he means can you import a .doc and edit and save it fine
[04:02] <gnomefreak> work with it :)
[04:02] <Riddell> Jucato: no, just sanity testing
[04:03] <Jucato> well, Microsoft Word Document is now listed in the save dialog box
[04:04] <Jucato> Riddell: so far, everything's ok. no crashes yet. I haven't seen the changes they made, so I'm not sure what the new features are for 1.6.1
[04:04] <haggai> Riddell: hiya. A guy I know in Glasgow is asking about the FOSS scene there. Do you know much about what is happening there?
[04:05] <Riddell> haggai: glasgow's scotlug is active and interesting.  akademy 2007 is going to rock glasgow.
[04:12] <gnomefreak> crap i think i did something bad
[04:12] <gnomefreak> :(
[04:13] <Jucato> O.o
[04:18] <gnomefreak> lost my resume :(
[04:18] <Jucato> ouch... :(
[04:20] <gnomefreak> there is no way to recover things that were deleted from the trash bin right?
[04:21] <gnomefreak> *idea*
[04:28] <Riddell> haggai: and of course debconf in edinburgh next year too
[04:28] <haggai> Riddell: of course :) We started talking about local people because I told him about akademy and debconf next year
[04:41] <nixternal> Riddell: bug 72065
[04:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72065 in smb4k "smb4k screwed the sudoers sudo command no longer available! " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72065
[04:41] <nixternal> someone else had that same issue
[04:42] <Riddell> nixternal: that's crazy, smb4k shouldn't be reading sudoers never mind writing to it
[04:42] <Riddell> nixternal: can you poke upstream and ask what could be happening?
[04:42] <nixternal> don't that now
[04:43] <nixternal> doing that now rather
[04:50] <seele> hum, can anyone answer some GRUB questions for me?
[04:50] <seele> after you edit menu.lst, you run grub-install, correct?
[04:50] <Jucato> afaik, not anymore
[04:51] <seele> what do you do to update grub then?
[04:51] <Riddell> seele: don't think so, grub can read the file directly off the disk when it's run
[04:51] <Riddell> so no need to update
[04:51] <seele> oh, isnt that a bit dangerous in case you have an error?
[04:51] <Riddell> what sort of error?
[04:52] <seele> well if you have something wrong in your config file
[04:52] <seele> at uds, when you were showing me the grub config, you had to run a command 
[04:52] <Riddell> I guess that's one reason to have a GUI tool to make sure you don't have 
[04:53] <Riddell> syntax errors
[04:53] <seele> i dunno what it did, if it just installed the new options or did a check to make sure ther are no errors
[04:53] <seele> hum, ok.. so currently all you have to do is edit menu.lst and reboot?
[04:54] <Riddell> yes
[04:55] <seele> okie dokie
[04:56] <seele> what kind of error do you get if there is a syntax error in menu.lst?
[04:56] <seele> (i dont want to try it for myself :P)
[04:56] <Riddell> not sure, I've never tried
[04:57] <Riddell> but in the worst of cases it'll go "can't find linux" and give you a grub prompt
[05:10] <nixternal> Riddell: i reported the bug upstream, hopefully i will hear back
[05:12] <Riddell> hope so, that's a nasty beastie
[05:12] <nixternal> i should have looked at the bug report prior to packaging...chalk that one up as yet another lesson
[05:43] <Riddell> _Sime: don't support you'd know why builddir!=source dir doesn't work in pyqt 4.1?
[05:44] <ttoine> yep.... has tonio been here today ?
[05:45] <Riddell> no
[05:46] <ttoine> :(
[05:46] <ttoine> ok, thanks, Riddell
[06:04] <fdoving> Riddell: ping? can you do a -final- kopete upload to edgy-proposed, this time it's correct, for sure. http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/edgy-proposed/  - thanks in advance. sorry 'bout the mess with this SRU.
[06:04] <Riddell> fdoving: is there anything currently in the queue?
[06:05] <fdoving> nope, It's rejected.
[06:07] <Riddell> cool
[06:12] <nixternal> Comment:
[06:12] <nixternal> Thanks for notifying us. I'm currently working on a fix.
[06:12] <nixternal> Riddell: ^^ smb4k
[06:15] <Riddell> nixternal: I wonder if that's a security issue that should get a CVE
[06:16] <Riddell> fdoving: kopete uploaded
[06:18] <fdoving> Riddell: thanks :)
[06:19] <Riddell> thank you
[06:19] <Riddell> nixternal: how are you contacting them?
[06:19] <nixternal> their buglist
[06:20] <Riddell> nixternal: URL?
[06:20] <nixternal> http://developer.berlios.de/bugs/?group_id=769
[06:28] <Riddell> hmm, no security dudes around
[06:34] <Roey> #security
[06:34] <Riddell> ubuntu security dudes
[06:35] <Riddell> erk
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Feisty?
[06:35] <seaLne> it looks like mdadm/lvm again
[06:35] <seaLne> yeah
[06:37] <seaLne> hmm maybe not mdadm
[06:53] <toma> evening
[06:54] <DaSkreech> HI
[07:49] <DaSkreech> Is there a way for someone to get all the source code used in Kubunut?
[07:49] <DaSkreech> Kubuntu?
[07:51] <Riddell> DaSkreech: there are source CDs
[07:52] <DaSkreech> really never noticed before
[07:53] <gnomefreak> Riddell: whats this gnomefreak@FeistyFawn:~$ kbuildsycoca running...  after any command i run it drops to that and starts erroring
[07:53] <gnomefreak> i type sudo apt-get update when update finishes it drops me to prompt than automatticly runs that
[07:54] <Riddell> gnomefreak: it's kded running the kde system cache builder when it notices file changing
[07:55] <gnomefreak> is there a way to get it to stop or atleast stop erroring that there is no database
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Riddell: I assume you can't shipit source CDs?
[08:02] <Riddell> DaSkreech: no, but you can buy them off canonical at cost
[08:02] <DaSkreech> OK are they available for download?
[08:02] <Riddell> now there you have me
[08:03] <Riddell> they were but they seemed to get lost during edgy release and not get published again
[08:03] <DaSkreech> Ah who would be the person in charge of the balance of the source?
[08:03] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/release.1/source/
[08:04] <DaSkreech> Thanks
[08:06] <DaSkreech> They have daily source DVds I see
[08:16] <gnomefreak> killall kded worked ;)
[08:17] <gnomefreak> ok all done playing. got hotbabe uploaded :)
[08:19] <DaSkreech> Scuse?
[08:19] <Riddell> don't ask
[08:19] <gnomefreak> wrong channel
[08:19] <gnomefreak> its an app
[08:20] <DaSkreech> Woah what's FSview?
[08:20] <gnomefreak> filesystem veiw?
[08:21] <DaSkreech> Was this always installed?
[08:21] <gnomefreak> i dont have that package
[08:21] <DaSkreech> man one wrong keystroke on katapult
[08:22] <DaSkreech> Ok
[08:27] <DaSkreech> Wonder how I got it
[08:28] <DaSkreech> Ah it's in the debian menu
[08:42] <DaSkreech> Hi mez
[08:42] <Mez> hi DaSkreech