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kikoSteveA, will there be a rollout with that update?12:20
SteveAkiko: I'm missing the context of your question12:21
kikoSteveA, launchpadproductionstatus12:22
SteveAI expect so12:22
kikoSteveA, but you do not know so12:23
kiko?12:23
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SteveAkiko: I do not know so.  The usual procedure is that Stuart announces the expected revision to be rolled out in the launchpad meeting.  There was no launchpad meeting.12:28
kikotrue, true.12:28
SteveANonetheless, I expect stuart will choose a suitable revision to roll out.12:28
kikohopefully12:28
SteveAwe should have a "minimal things to do in the absence of a launchpad meeting" list12:28
SteveAadded some notes to the MeetingAgenda page12:31
kikoor alternatively stub could tell us his plans in more detail :)12:37
LarstiQ:)12:38
SteveAyes.  the point of the section "what do we need to do when we don't have a meeting" is so that Stuart is given this clear expectation12:42
SteveAwe expect him to publish his plans whether or not we have a meeting.12:42
kikoagreed.12:46
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spivnewz2000: not too bad, but still not totally healthy.01:21
spivnewz2000: I picked up a bit of a cold in SF01:21
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poolie_SteveA: hello?01:24
SteveAhi poolie_ 01:24
SteveAhow's it going?01:24
poolie_good, how about a quick call?01:24
jmlpoolie_, SteveA: hello01:25
SteveAhi jml 01:25
SteveApoolie_: sure, in 10 mins?01:25
poolie_ok, just call me on skype when you're ready01:26
SteveAok01:26
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newz2000spiv: I'm going to put my son go bed in about 30 min, would you have time after that to do a telephone call about launchpad auth related stuff?02:13
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mptGooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!03:30
newz2000which one is right, ubuntu or ubuntuweb?03:37
newz2000oops03:37
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spivnewz2000: sorry, was at lunch.03:47
spivnewz2000: we can do the call now if you like.03:47
newz2000cool03:49
newz2000spiv: what's your number? (and country code if you know it)03:49
spivnewz2000: the one in the email was correct.03:49
spivnewz2000: I can also do skype if you prefer.03:49
newz2000I don't have a good mic03:50
spivFair enough.03:50
newz2000I use vonage so phone calls to au are only $0.05/min03:50
newz2000ok, calling now03:51
jmlpoolie_: around?04:23
poolie_jml: hello04:30
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newz2000lifeless: fixed the bazaar link on canonical.com, fyi05:22
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UbugtuNew bug: #72815 in launchpad "Stop "rebalancing" karma, and base it on effort instead" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7281506:35
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stubWhat was the Launchpad help wiki again?07:16
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jameshstub: help.launchpad.net07:20
mptheh07:33
mptpoor unloved help.launchpad.net07:34
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stubI've moved https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaCalculation there from the private wiki07:40
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stubmalcc: Remind me what happens again if I kill the publisher?10:20
malccstub: It's possible for it to cause confusion, as it forgets which suites need index files regenerated10:20
stubmalcc: Do you recall approximately how long runs are taking these days?10:21
malccstub: Last I checked they were mostly done by half past. I'm just re-checking now in case it's changed, I haven't looked at it for two weeks10:22
stubHalf past will be fine10:23
malccstub: Looks like death row just started, which means two things: It'll be about ten minutes more, and also killing it now is much less worrying if you need to10:29
stubmalcc: ok. Thanks.10:29
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stubmalcc: Can I roll out the new production launchpad branch to drescher? It is HEAD-1.11:22
malccstub: I know of no reason why not. cprov?11:22
cprovmalcc: no, we can rollout soyuz as well11:24
malccstub, cprov: Hmm, looks from LaunchpadProductionStatus like there's still a local patch to disable b-f-n11:24
malcccprov: Do we definitely not need that anymore, is it being switched on, or in rocketfuel now?11:24
cprovmalcc: it wasn't discussed yet, I would simple re-apply it for now and sort details with distro-team later11:25
cprovmalcc: we have enough b-f-n emails to investigate, though11:25
stubI have pushed out the new branch to codelines/soyuz-production. I'll let you guys decide if it needs patching and bring it all back up after the rollout is finished11:26
stubErm... still pushing...11:26
malccstub: Ok cool11:26
malcccprov: Sounds like we just need to apply r4164 from the current codeline to the new one before switching over11:27
stubr4257 of rocketfuel is what was rolled out if that makes a difference11:28
cprovmalcc: correct11:29
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malccstub: Done pushing?11:44
stubmalcc: All done and the db is back up. Go for it.11:44
Spadsatomic batteries to power11:45
Spadsturbines to speed11:46
malccstub: So I did my merge and ran make, but there seem to be some problems11:50
malccstub: <Keybuk> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'use_https'11:51
malccHmm, it's a config reading problem11:52
stubYup11:52
stubWhich config file is used?11:53
malccftpmaster11:53
stubNeed to copy the <virtual_hosts> section from production/launchpad.conf to ftpmasters11:53
stubI'll update rocketfuel - there are other configs with the same problem that need updating - but you might as well fix it live now.11:54
jameshstub: we don't seem to get the revno displayed in the page footer for production11:56
jameshhmm.  Looks like the bzr-version-info.py file only gets generated by "make run"11:58
jameshnot "make start"11:58
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stubjamesh: I'm landing a fix with the config file updates12:12
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jameshof course, the revno shown on production can't be directly correlated to the rocketfuel version ...12:13
snailis bug reporting dead? or have i broken something on my end?12:13
jameshsnail: there was a rollout a little while ago.  Could you be more specific about the problem you ran into?12:14
jameshdid you get an error page with an OOPS number on it?12:14
snailthe problem is "Firefox can't find the server at bugs.launchpad.net."12:14
SteveAgood morning12:17
stublooking into it12:17
SteveAmalcc: looks like a lack of testing problem, maybe12:17
SteveAhmm, maybe just a lack of "functional testing" though12:18
SteveAwe don't do so well at testing different live-style configs -- in other words, the test configuration is fuller than it ought to be in many cases12:18
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stubTesting the configs is a pita, as loading the config can cause code to be executed (such as listening for HTTP requests on ports)12:23
jameshstub: here, code.launchpad.net, blueprints.launchpad.net, translations.launchpad.net and answers.launchpad.net point to 82.211.81.24412:24
jameshwhile launchpad.net points to 82.211.81.17912:24
jameshand I don't see an A record for bugs.launchpad.net12:24
stubyup. already talking to admins. the existing mx overrides the wildcard A record.12:26
jameshsnail: try changing the URL from "bugs.launchpad.net" to "launchpad.net"12:26
snailjamesh that works12:27
jameshstub: is it correct that the wildcard record points to a different IP to launchpad.net?12:27
snailbut there are still broken links on pages such as https://launchpad.net/products/emacs12:27
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jameshFujitsu: anything specific?12:30
Fujitsujamesh: The menu-thingy on the left (Code, Bugs, Translations, etc.) is different on launchpad.net and launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu12:30
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Fujitsu(Blueprints and Answers on the root, Specifications and Support on the distro)12:31
jameshFujitsu: yep.  that's a bug.12:32
Znarljamesh : It is correct the wildcard points to a different IP to launchpad.net12:32
Fujitsujamesh: A known one?12:32
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jameshFujitsu: please file a bug report12:32
Fujitsujamesh: That's what I was wondering.12:33
jameshZnarl: okay.  I was getting connection refused before.12:33
jameshseems to be working now though12:33
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kikowow12:36
SteveAhey kiko12:36
kikoSteveA, jamesh, Znarl: I just got a 500 error posting to launchpad12:36
kikoexpected?12:36
kikoi reloaded and it worked12:36
kikonot the launchpad oops page12:36
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kikoa page that said 500 error12:37
highvoltagehi. I'm getting..12:37
highvoltageoh.12:37
highvoltagewhat kiko said.12:37
kikohighvoltage, not consistently, right?12:37
highvoltagekiko: yep12:37
highvoltagekiko: but there are places where I can reproduce it12:37
SteveAkiko: I don't see any 50012:37
kikoSteveA, it's not consistent.12:38
highvoltagekiko: go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ and enter usplash in 'jump to product'12:38
highvoltagethat does it consistently for me.12:38
kikothat URL does not load for me at all12:38
kikoSteveA, pretty severe outage in one of the appservers?12:38
SteveAaha12:38
SteveAI get it on bugs.12:38
stubI've just switched the live systems to using bugz.launchpad.net instead of bugs.launchpad.net until peoples DNS caches have had a chance to flush12:38
SteveAkiko: not an app server issue.  DNS/vhosting12:39
kikoSteveA, I think it's a pound or apache error page, yeah, now that I think of it.12:39
highvoltagelooks like an apache error page to me.12:39
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stubAs far as I'm aware, the rollout is now done. Ping me if not and I'll have a look after a shower12:45
SteveAmeeting time01:00
SteveAWelcome to the first post-canonical-all-hands Launchpad development meeting01:00
malccIs it Thursday already?01:01
SteveAoh?01:01
SteveAit's wednesdaty still01:01
SteveAwow! jetlag!01:01
SteveAsee, I was up until 4am, wide awake with SF timezones01:01
malccWell on the bright side, you've made me feel a lot better about my own jetlag ;)01:01
SteveAand so I think it's thursday today01:01
jordimeeting time?01:06
jordioh ok01:06
jordicrazy :)01:06
SteveAjordi: you have plenty of notice for tomorrow's meeting now :-)01:09
jameshstub: the cached DNS for bugs.launchpad.net has probably expired by now01:18
jameshor maybe another 10 minutes or so01:19
jordiSteveA: :)01:19
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salgadoBjornT, around?01:32
BjornThi salgado 01:35
salgadohi BjornT. on your review you asked me to use an absolute URL on the Location header of my test of a page redirect. any specific reason for that?01:37
BjornTsalgado: iirc, the http specification specifies that it should be an absolute URL. don't bother with it if it's too much work doing it, though, i think all browsers can cope with relative URLs on redirects.01:41
salgadoBjornT, it's not much work, but I need to figure out where to get the old config.root_url from01:45
BjornTsalgado: canonical_url(getUtility(ILaunchpadRoot)) might work.01:49
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salgadoBjornT, that doesn't work because the call to getUtility() would be in the class definition, outside of a method01:57
salgadoI have a redirect('/prefs', '%s/+editmylanguages' % canonical_url(getUtility(...)))01:57
BjornTsalgado: ah, right. i'd say redirect() should make sure that the URL is an absolute URL then. it's probably better to simply file a bug about it and fix it later, though.02:00
salgadoahhh, redirection can be a descriptor02:00
salgadothat doesn't make any difference, actually02:01
salgadowill file a bug02:02
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BjornTkiko: ping02:56
kikoBjornT!!!02:56
BjornThi kiko. i've updated the malone guided filebug ui to be more like the answer tracker's. do you want to take a look at it?02:57
kikoyes!02:57
kikoI need some minutes02:57
BjornTok, cool. i'll set up a demo instance.02:57
BjornTkiko: http://84.32.240.183:12345/03:03
kikogood man03:04
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kikoBjornT, SteveA: I should point out sometime how hard the launchpad.dev thing makes it to test people's remote sites. is there something I could do to help this apart from manually editing etc hosts every time?03:08
kikoBjornT, the port is bustage?03:08
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BjornTkiko: it doesn't work? does http://lp.grammatista.org/ work better?03:12
kikoDNS!03:12
kikoBjornT, with :12345 yes03:12
kikoBjornT, oh, but the URLs are still launchpad.dev03:13
kikoBjornT, would a stunnel work I wonder03:14
kikolike ssh -R or something03:14
BjornTkiko: try again03:16
kikoperfecto03:17
BjornTcool. we definitely should try to make these kind of things easier, though...03:17
kikoBjornT, okay, and +package needs to be removed at some point03:17
kikois there a bug on that?03:17
BjornTthere should be, i'll look for one03:18
kikoBjornT, can we say "Most common bugs reported"?03:18
kikoor "Bugs most frequently reported"?03:18
kikoBjornT, is it worth labelling the first field as Summary, given that's what it is?03:19
kikoBjornT, also the <title> for that page is complete crack03:21
kikoit says "Is..." here03:21
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BjornTkiko: what's the first field labeled as now?03:25
kikoit says nothing03:26
kikoit says [          ]  Continue03:26
BjornTkiko: right. it'd be worth putting a "Summary" label there.03:26
BjornTkiko: "Bugs most frequently reported" sounds good03:27
kikoBjornT, just to hint to the guy that this will be used as a summary03:30
BjornTyeah03:30
kikoBjornT, could you prefix the "You may prefer the ..." text with "This guided form will try and locate bugs related to yours" or something like that?03:31
BjornTsure03:32
SteveAjamesh: ping03:33
jameshSteveA: pong03:33
kikobugs related or similar to yours perhaps BjornT 03:37
kikoBjornT, the center-alignment of the summary is a bit weird, until you realize it's a two-column table03:37
BjornTkiko: how about "This guided form will try to help you find out whether your bug has already been reported."?03:41
kikoBjornT, that's excellent03:42
kikoBjornT, any reason not to use the listing view for the bugs instead of a table?03:42
kikoBjornT, I really liked your work there03:44
BjornTkiko: i wonder whether we still have a listing view that works? a listing view might be nicer, since it can contain more information, and we should display only a short list of bugs.03:45
kikoBjornT, it should still work03:46
BjornTi can try using it and see how it works.03:47
kikoBjornT, good job04:01
kikoBjornT, did you note the <title> issue I pointed out?04:01
flacostekiko: i'll try writing today the blurbs relating to rolled-out changes to the support^W answer tracker for your Launchpad report. i'm not too late i hope?04:03
kikoflacoste, not at all! I'm expecting you04:03
kikoflacoste, how's your gf btw?04:03
flacostegreat04:03
flacostekiko: she's fine, really pleased that I'm back. we are now preparing mentally for The Event04:04
kikoflacoste, thank god she's pleased! the event will be fun. mid-dec is it?04:04
flacosteabout that yes, in 3-4 weeks04:05
BjornTkiko: yeah, i'll fix the <title> issue as well.04:15
kikoBjornT, wonderfu04:15
salgadohey kiko. is it okay to merge my mirror-reassignment-and-others branch? 04:23
kikosalgado, did I finish reviewwing it?04:23
kiko(I can't remember)04:23
salgadoon your review you asked one question and I answered it04:24
kikowhat was the question?04:24
salgadokiko, just bounced my reply04:24
kikothanks04:25
kikosalgado, it wasn't clear by your answer if you were going to do that now or later04:31
flacostewhat is the rationale for using bugz.launchpad.net instead of bugs.launchpad.net?04:31
kikoflacoste, the DNS was hosed apparently 04:31
kikobecause some people already had dns.launchpad.net in their caches04:31
flacosteso this is transient?04:32
kikoyes04:32
salgadokiko, I'll do it later04:32
kikosalgado, mmmm. ok I guess. your test was not very nice04:34
salgadowas not very nice? that's the opposite of what you said on your review!04:35
kikowell04:36
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iwjHi.  I just got a `500 Internal Server Error' from LP.06:07
iwjhttps://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/unified-login-unlock-screen06:07
salgado-lunchiwj, looks like a problem with the features domain06:07
salgado-lunchtry https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/unified-login-unlock-screen06:08
salgadoSteveA, known problem ^?06:08
iwjThanks.06:08
iwjYes, that worked.06:08
snailiwj: that feature seems related to my bug-du-jure https://bugz.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libpam-openafs-session/+bug/6836106:09
UbugtuMalone bug 68361 in libpam-openafs-session "pam authenticate " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  06:09
SteveAiwj: was that a bookmarked page?06:13
SteveAhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/unified-login-unlock-screen06:13
SteveAthat's the link you get from within launchpad06:13
SteveAhmm, I guess many links on the wiki will point to "features"06:13
salgadoyeah, I thought we'd keep the old URLs working for some time06:13
SteveAI asked that in the rollout:06:14
SteveAAlso, we should ask the admins to do a permanent redirect in apache from `features.launchpad.net/.*` to `blueprints.launchpad.net/\1` so that we don't break links. || 06:14
SteveAI guess that hasn't happened  :-(06:14
SteveAI'll talk with the admins...06:14
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iwjSteveA: I got that URL from some wiki page.06:18
SteveAiwj: ok. thanks.  soon, it will do a perm. redirect.06:18
SteveAthanks for mentioning the issue here.06:18
iwjI've edited the pages I'm tripping over to have non-features... url's.06:19
iwjNP.06:19
iwjThanks for getting me unblocked.06:19
SteveAwe'd planned to avoid the broken links, but the plan was not carried out to completion.06:19
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kikohello hello loverboys and girls06:23
SteveASpads: yes, great now.  thanks06:24
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cprovZnarl: ping06:26
Znarlcprov : Pong?06:27
cprovZnarl: hi, can you, please, check the RT 23633 ?06:28
cprovZnarl: the problem still happen and I have no idea about what is causing it.06:29
kikoZnarl, if you help cprov out of this train-wreck he will share his firefighting helmet with you06:29
Znarlcprov : Interesting.  Jubany was upgraded this morning to dapper.  Do you know when it started happening?06:30
cprovkiko: aha, we can buy another one for him, I got myself emotionally attached to this one.06:30
kikoZnarl, it's been happening since sunday.06:31
cprovZnarl: monday, I guess, let me check06:31
kikoZnarl, and we think it's a networking issue; at least the last times something similar happened it was06:31
kikocprov, oh, monday, not sunday?06:31
cprovkiko: 17th 5 occurences;  20th, 1; 21th a lot ...today, 906:32
ZnarlWe've had no major changes or down time on the LAN in the DC for some time now.06:33
kikocprov, can you run a ping to jubany?06:34
cprovkiko: Znarl: then I guess it can only be explained by high usage in drescher06:34
cprovkiko: sure, 0.131/0.133/0.137/0.013 ms06:34
ZnarlThat's possible, we've got a failed disk in drescher today - which will cause the system to go slower than normal.06:34
ZnarlDrescher and jubany are on the same switch too, nothing in between to cause problems.06:35
cprovZnarl: the problem is more like to be in jubany, as you can see in the error message06:37
cprovZnarl: it must have been requested too often by drescher monster queries, can we look on jubany psql logs for something suspect ?06:39
Znarlfiera@launchpad_prod/14591 2006-11-22 11:28:07 GMT LOG:  unexpected EOF on client connection06:42
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ZnarlThat appears 1542 times today.06:42
cprovZnarl: ehe, nice dialog: drescher: wot about this conn? / jubany: dunno  / drescher: me neither / *boom*06:46
cprovZnarl: do you think this disk problem in drescher might be causing it indirectly ?06:46
ZnarlA failed disk should cause only slower IO, nothing else.06:47
Znarl...and it failed this morning too.06:47
cprovZnarl: yes, very unlikely to be it. So, no idea and no expectation to have any during the next few days, let's keep just watching.06:51
ZnarlThis may be a case for stub to have a look at.  06:52
cprovZnarl: good idea, will send an email to the list, thanks06:55
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dholbachhello, where can i ask for voodoo like renaming a product from "feisty-session-splashesv" to "feisty-session-splashes"? :-/07:36
flacostedholbach: https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+addticket07:37
dholbachflacoste: thank you very much07:37
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pirastMy subscription to a team is expired. What can I do when I want to rejoin?08:12
salgadopirast, right now the only thing you can do is talk to the team admins and ask them to renew08:13
pirastsalgado, k thanks08:14
salgadoin the future it'll be possible to either renew your own subscription or tell the admins (through launchpad) that you want to have it renewed08:14
salgadolifeless, are you awake already? :)08:16
salgadoor maybe SteveA?08:17
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SteveAsalgado: I'm around but I need to take a break for a while.  I'll be around later.08:21
salgadoSteveA, that's fine. will you have some time for a pre-implementation call tomorrow? I can try to discuss it with kiko if you don't, so it's no big deal08:22
salgadoactually, he just came back; I'll bother him08:23
kikosure I can help08:23
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kikoSteveA, I helped salgado08:50
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flacostekiko: can the blurbs for the report wait until tomorrow?09:24
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kikoflacoste, flacoste, flacoste!09:58
flacostekiko: I would have liked to finish tt-search-localized-requests before starting the blurb, but I can postpone that if you are waiting on me09:59
kikoflacoste, it's okay. I can wait.09:59
flacosteyou'll have it tomorrow, i promise :-)10:00
kikoflacoste, I know I will. :-)10:00
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