kiko | SteveA, will there be a rollout with that update? | 12:20 |
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SteveA | kiko: I'm missing the context of your question | 12:21 |
kiko | SteveA, launchpadproductionstatus | 12:22 |
SteveA | I expect so | 12:22 |
kiko | SteveA, but you do not know so | 12:23 |
kiko | ? | 12:23 |
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SteveA | kiko: I do not know so. The usual procedure is that Stuart announces the expected revision to be rolled out in the launchpad meeting. There was no launchpad meeting. | 12:28 |
kiko | true, true. | 12:28 |
SteveA | Nonetheless, I expect stuart will choose a suitable revision to roll out. | 12:28 |
kiko | hopefully | 12:28 |
SteveA | we should have a "minimal things to do in the absence of a launchpad meeting" list | 12:28 |
SteveA | added some notes to the MeetingAgenda page | 12:31 |
kiko | or alternatively stub could tell us his plans in more detail :) | 12:37 |
LarstiQ | :) | 12:38 |
SteveA | yes. the point of the section "what do we need to do when we don't have a meeting" is so that Stuart is given this clear expectation | 12:42 |
SteveA | we expect him to publish his plans whether or not we have a meeting. | 12:42 |
kiko | agreed. | 12:46 |
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spiv | newz2000: not too bad, but still not totally healthy. | 01:21 |
spiv | newz2000: I picked up a bit of a cold in SF | 01:21 |
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poolie_ | SteveA: hello? | 01:24 |
SteveA | hi poolie_ | 01:24 |
SteveA | how's it going? | 01:24 |
poolie_ | good, how about a quick call? | 01:24 |
jml | poolie_, SteveA: hello | 01:25 |
SteveA | hi jml | 01:25 |
SteveA | poolie_: sure, in 10 mins? | 01:25 |
poolie_ | ok, just call me on skype when you're ready | 01:26 |
SteveA | ok | 01:26 |
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newz2000 | spiv: I'm going to put my son go bed in about 30 min, would you have time after that to do a telephone call about launchpad auth related stuff? | 02:13 |
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mpt | Gooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! | 03:30 |
newz2000 | which one is right, ubuntu or ubuntuweb? | 03:37 |
newz2000 | oops | 03:37 |
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spiv | newz2000: sorry, was at lunch. | 03:47 |
spiv | newz2000: we can do the call now if you like. | 03:47 |
newz2000 | cool | 03:49 |
newz2000 | spiv: what's your number? (and country code if you know it) | 03:49 |
spiv | newz2000: the one in the email was correct. | 03:49 |
spiv | newz2000: I can also do skype if you prefer. | 03:49 |
newz2000 | I don't have a good mic | 03:50 |
spiv | Fair enough. | 03:50 |
newz2000 | I use vonage so phone calls to au are only $0.05/min | 03:50 |
newz2000 | ok, calling now | 03:51 |
jml | poolie_: around? | 04:23 |
poolie_ | jml: hello | 04:30 |
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newz2000 | lifeless: fixed the bazaar link on canonical.com, fyi | 05:22 |
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Ubugtu | New bug: #72815 in launchpad "Stop "rebalancing" karma, and base it on effort instead" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/72815 | 06:35 |
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stub | What was the Launchpad help wiki again? | 07:16 |
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jamesh | stub: help.launchpad.net | 07:20 |
mpt | heh | 07:33 |
mpt | poor unloved help.launchpad.net | 07:34 |
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stub | I've moved https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaCalculation there from the private wiki | 07:40 |
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stub | malcc: Remind me what happens again if I kill the publisher? | 10:20 |
malcc | stub: It's possible for it to cause confusion, as it forgets which suites need index files regenerated | 10:20 |
stub | malcc: Do you recall approximately how long runs are taking these days? | 10:21 |
malcc | stub: Last I checked they were mostly done by half past. I'm just re-checking now in case it's changed, I haven't looked at it for two weeks | 10:22 |
stub | Half past will be fine | 10:23 |
malcc | stub: Looks like death row just started, which means two things: It'll be about ten minutes more, and also killing it now is much less worrying if you need to | 10:29 |
stub | malcc: ok. Thanks. | 10:29 |
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stub | malcc: Can I roll out the new production launchpad branch to drescher? It is HEAD-1. | 11:22 |
malcc | stub: I know of no reason why not. cprov? | 11:22 |
cprov | malcc: no, we can rollout soyuz as well | 11:24 |
malcc | stub, cprov: Hmm, looks from LaunchpadProductionStatus like there's still a local patch to disable b-f-n | 11:24 |
malcc | cprov: Do we definitely not need that anymore, is it being switched on, or in rocketfuel now? | 11:24 |
cprov | malcc: it wasn't discussed yet, I would simple re-apply it for now and sort details with distro-team later | 11:25 |
cprov | malcc: we have enough b-f-n emails to investigate, though | 11:25 |
stub | I have pushed out the new branch to codelines/soyuz-production. I'll let you guys decide if it needs patching and bring it all back up after the rollout is finished | 11:26 |
stub | Erm... still pushing... | 11:26 |
malcc | stub: Ok cool | 11:26 |
malcc | cprov: Sounds like we just need to apply r4164 from the current codeline to the new one before switching over | 11:27 |
stub | r4257 of rocketfuel is what was rolled out if that makes a difference | 11:28 |
cprov | malcc: correct | 11:29 |
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malcc | stub: Done pushing? | 11:44 |
stub | malcc: All done and the db is back up. Go for it. | 11:44 |
Spads | atomic batteries to power | 11:45 |
Spads | turbines to speed | 11:46 |
malcc | stub: So I did my merge and ran make, but there seem to be some problems | 11:50 |
malcc | stub: <Keybuk> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'use_https' | 11:51 |
malcc | Hmm, it's a config reading problem | 11:52 |
stub | Yup | 11:52 |
stub | Which config file is used? | 11:53 |
malcc | ftpmaster | 11:53 |
stub | Need to copy the <virtual_hosts> section from production/launchpad.conf to ftpmasters | 11:53 |
stub | I'll update rocketfuel - there are other configs with the same problem that need updating - but you might as well fix it live now. | 11:54 |
jamesh | stub: we don't seem to get the revno displayed in the page footer for production | 11:56 |
jamesh | hmm. Looks like the bzr-version-info.py file only gets generated by "make run" | 11:58 |
jamesh | not "make start" | 11:58 |
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stub | jamesh: I'm landing a fix with the config file updates | 12:12 |
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jamesh | of course, the revno shown on production can't be directly correlated to the rocketfuel version ... | 12:13 |
snail | is bug reporting dead? or have i broken something on my end? | 12:13 |
jamesh | snail: there was a rollout a little while ago. Could you be more specific about the problem you ran into? | 12:14 |
jamesh | did you get an error page with an OOPS number on it? | 12:14 |
snail | the problem is "Firefox can't find the server at bugs.launchpad.net." | 12:14 |
SteveA | good morning | 12:17 |
stub | looking into it | 12:17 |
SteveA | malcc: looks like a lack of testing problem, maybe | 12:17 |
SteveA | hmm, maybe just a lack of "functional testing" though | 12:18 |
SteveA | we don't do so well at testing different live-style configs -- in other words, the test configuration is fuller than it ought to be in many cases | 12:18 |
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stub | Testing the configs is a pita, as loading the config can cause code to be executed (such as listening for HTTP requests on ports) | 12:23 |
jamesh | stub: here, code.launchpad.net, blueprints.launchpad.net, translations.launchpad.net and answers.launchpad.net point to 82.211.81.244 | 12:24 |
jamesh | while launchpad.net points to 82.211.81.179 | 12:24 |
jamesh | and I don't see an A record for bugs.launchpad.net | 12:24 |
stub | yup. already talking to admins. the existing mx overrides the wildcard A record. | 12:26 |
jamesh | snail: try changing the URL from "bugs.launchpad.net" to "launchpad.net" | 12:26 |
snail | jamesh that works | 12:27 |
jamesh | stub: is it correct that the wildcard record points to a different IP to launchpad.net? | 12:27 |
snail | but there are still broken links on pages such as https://launchpad.net/products/emacs | 12:27 |
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jamesh | Fujitsu: anything specific? | 12:30 |
Fujitsu | jamesh: The menu-thingy on the left (Code, Bugs, Translations, etc.) is different on launchpad.net and launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu | 12:30 |
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Fujitsu | (Blueprints and Answers on the root, Specifications and Support on the distro) | 12:31 |
jamesh | Fujitsu: yep. that's a bug. | 12:32 |
Znarl | jamesh : It is correct the wildcard points to a different IP to launchpad.net | 12:32 |
Fujitsu | jamesh: A known one? | 12:32 |
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jamesh | Fujitsu: please file a bug report | 12:32 |
Fujitsu | jamesh: That's what I was wondering. | 12:33 |
jamesh | Znarl: okay. I was getting connection refused before. | 12:33 |
jamesh | seems to be working now though | 12:33 |
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kiko | wow | 12:36 |
SteveA | hey kiko | 12:36 |
kiko | SteveA, jamesh, Znarl: I just got a 500 error posting to launchpad | 12:36 |
kiko | expected? | 12:36 |
kiko | i reloaded and it worked | 12:36 |
kiko | not the launchpad oops page | 12:36 |
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kiko | a page that said 500 error | 12:37 |
highvoltage | hi. I'm getting.. | 12:37 |
highvoltage | oh. | 12:37 |
highvoltage | what kiko said. | 12:37 |
kiko | highvoltage, not consistently, right? | 12:37 |
highvoltage | kiko: yep | 12:37 |
highvoltage | kiko: but there are places where I can reproduce it | 12:37 |
SteveA | kiko: I don't see any 500 | 12:37 |
kiko | SteveA, it's not consistent. | 12:38 |
highvoltage | kiko: go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ and enter usplash in 'jump to product' | 12:38 |
highvoltage | that does it consistently for me. | 12:38 |
kiko | that URL does not load for me at all | 12:38 |
kiko | SteveA, pretty severe outage in one of the appservers? | 12:38 |
SteveA | aha | 12:38 |
SteveA | I get it on bugs. | 12:38 |
stub | I've just switched the live systems to using bugz.launchpad.net instead of bugs.launchpad.net until peoples DNS caches have had a chance to flush | 12:38 |
SteveA | kiko: not an app server issue. DNS/vhosting | 12:39 |
kiko | SteveA, I think it's a pound or apache error page, yeah, now that I think of it. | 12:39 |
highvoltage | looks like an apache error page to me. | 12:39 |
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stub | As far as I'm aware, the rollout is now done. Ping me if not and I'll have a look after a shower | 12:45 |
SteveA | meeting time | 01:00 |
SteveA | Welcome to the first post-canonical-all-hands Launchpad development meeting | 01:00 |
malcc | Is it Thursday already? | 01:01 |
SteveA | oh? | 01:01 |
SteveA | it's wednesdaty still | 01:01 |
SteveA | wow! jetlag! | 01:01 |
SteveA | see, I was up until 4am, wide awake with SF timezones | 01:01 |
malcc | Well on the bright side, you've made me feel a lot better about my own jetlag ;) | 01:01 |
SteveA | and so I think it's thursday today | 01:01 |
jordi | meeting time? | 01:06 |
jordi | oh ok | 01:06 |
jordi | crazy :) | 01:06 |
SteveA | jordi: you have plenty of notice for tomorrow's meeting now :-) | 01:09 |
jamesh | stub: the cached DNS for bugs.launchpad.net has probably expired by now | 01:18 |
jamesh | or maybe another 10 minutes or so | 01:19 |
jordi | SteveA: :) | 01:19 |
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salgado | BjornT, around? | 01:32 |
BjornT | hi salgado | 01:35 |
salgado | hi BjornT. on your review you asked me to use an absolute URL on the Location header of my test of a page redirect. any specific reason for that? | 01:37 |
BjornT | salgado: iirc, the http specification specifies that it should be an absolute URL. don't bother with it if it's too much work doing it, though, i think all browsers can cope with relative URLs on redirects. | 01:41 |
salgado | BjornT, it's not much work, but I need to figure out where to get the old config.root_url from | 01:45 |
BjornT | salgado: canonical_url(getUtility(ILaunchpadRoot)) might work. | 01:49 |
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salgado | BjornT, that doesn't work because the call to getUtility() would be in the class definition, outside of a method | 01:57 |
salgado | I have a redirect('/prefs', '%s/+editmylanguages' % canonical_url(getUtility(...))) | 01:57 |
BjornT | salgado: ah, right. i'd say redirect() should make sure that the URL is an absolute URL then. it's probably better to simply file a bug about it and fix it later, though. | 02:00 |
salgado | ahhh, redirection can be a descriptor | 02:00 |
salgado | that doesn't make any difference, actually | 02:01 |
salgado | will file a bug | 02:02 |
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BjornT | kiko: ping | 02:56 |
kiko | BjornT!!! | 02:56 |
BjornT | hi kiko. i've updated the malone guided filebug ui to be more like the answer tracker's. do you want to take a look at it? | 02:57 |
kiko | yes! | 02:57 |
kiko | I need some minutes | 02:57 |
BjornT | ok, cool. i'll set up a demo instance. | 02:57 |
BjornT | kiko: http://84.32.240.183:12345/ | 03:03 |
kiko | good man | 03:04 |
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kiko | BjornT, SteveA: I should point out sometime how hard the launchpad.dev thing makes it to test people's remote sites. is there something I could do to help this apart from manually editing etc hosts every time? | 03:08 |
kiko | BjornT, the port is bustage? | 03:08 |
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BjornT | kiko: it doesn't work? does http://lp.grammatista.org/ work better? | 03:12 |
kiko | DNS! | 03:12 |
kiko | BjornT, with :12345 yes | 03:12 |
kiko | BjornT, oh, but the URLs are still launchpad.dev | 03:13 |
kiko | BjornT, would a stunnel work I wonder | 03:14 |
kiko | like ssh -R or something | 03:14 |
BjornT | kiko: try again | 03:16 |
kiko | perfecto | 03:17 |
BjornT | cool. we definitely should try to make these kind of things easier, though... | 03:17 |
kiko | BjornT, okay, and +package needs to be removed at some point | 03:17 |
kiko | is there a bug on that? | 03:17 |
BjornT | there should be, i'll look for one | 03:18 |
kiko | BjornT, can we say "Most common bugs reported"? | 03:18 |
kiko | or "Bugs most frequently reported"? | 03:18 |
kiko | BjornT, is it worth labelling the first field as Summary, given that's what it is? | 03:19 |
kiko | BjornT, also the <title> for that page is complete crack | 03:21 |
kiko | it says "Is..." here | 03:21 |
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BjornT | kiko: what's the first field labeled as now? | 03:25 |
kiko | it says nothing | 03:26 |
kiko | it says [ ] Continue | 03:26 |
BjornT | kiko: right. it'd be worth putting a "Summary" label there. | 03:26 |
BjornT | kiko: "Bugs most frequently reported" sounds good | 03:27 |
kiko | BjornT, just to hint to the guy that this will be used as a summary | 03:30 |
BjornT | yeah | 03:30 |
kiko | BjornT, could you prefix the "You may prefer the ..." text with "This guided form will try and locate bugs related to yours" or something like that? | 03:31 |
BjornT | sure | 03:32 |
SteveA | jamesh: ping | 03:33 |
jamesh | SteveA: pong | 03:33 |
kiko | bugs related or similar to yours perhaps BjornT | 03:37 |
kiko | BjornT, the center-alignment of the summary is a bit weird, until you realize it's a two-column table | 03:37 |
BjornT | kiko: how about "This guided form will try to help you find out whether your bug has already been reported."? | 03:41 |
kiko | BjornT, that's excellent | 03:42 |
kiko | BjornT, any reason not to use the listing view for the bugs instead of a table? | 03:42 |
kiko | BjornT, I really liked your work there | 03:44 |
BjornT | kiko: i wonder whether we still have a listing view that works? a listing view might be nicer, since it can contain more information, and we should display only a short list of bugs. | 03:45 |
kiko | BjornT, it should still work | 03:46 |
BjornT | i can try using it and see how it works. | 03:47 |
kiko | BjornT, good job | 04:01 |
kiko | BjornT, did you note the <title> issue I pointed out? | 04:01 |
flacoste | kiko: i'll try writing today the blurbs relating to rolled-out changes to the support^W answer tracker for your Launchpad report. i'm not too late i hope? | 04:03 |
kiko | flacoste, not at all! I'm expecting you | 04:03 |
kiko | flacoste, how's your gf btw? | 04:03 |
flacoste | great | 04:03 |
flacoste | kiko: she's fine, really pleased that I'm back. we are now preparing mentally for The Event | 04:04 |
kiko | flacoste, thank god she's pleased! the event will be fun. mid-dec is it? | 04:04 |
flacoste | about that yes, in 3-4 weeks | 04:05 |
BjornT | kiko: yeah, i'll fix the <title> issue as well. | 04:15 |
kiko | BjornT, wonderfu | 04:15 |
salgado | hey kiko. is it okay to merge my mirror-reassignment-and-others branch? | 04:23 |
kiko | salgado, did I finish reviewwing it? | 04:23 |
kiko | (I can't remember) | 04:23 |
salgado | on your review you asked one question and I answered it | 04:24 |
kiko | what was the question? | 04:24 |
salgado | kiko, just bounced my reply | 04:24 |
kiko | thanks | 04:25 |
kiko | salgado, it wasn't clear by your answer if you were going to do that now or later | 04:31 |
flacoste | what is the rationale for using bugz.launchpad.net instead of bugs.launchpad.net? | 04:31 |
kiko | flacoste, the DNS was hosed apparently | 04:31 |
kiko | because some people already had dns.launchpad.net in their caches | 04:31 |
flacoste | so this is transient? | 04:32 |
kiko | yes | 04:32 |
salgado | kiko, I'll do it later | 04:32 |
kiko | salgado, mmmm. ok I guess. your test was not very nice | 04:34 |
salgado | was not very nice? that's the opposite of what you said on your review! | 04:35 |
kiko | well | 04:36 |
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iwj | Hi. I just got a `500 Internal Server Error' from LP. | 06:07 |
iwj | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/unified-login-unlock-screen | 06:07 |
salgado-lunch | iwj, looks like a problem with the features domain | 06:07 |
salgado-lunch | try https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/unified-login-unlock-screen | 06:08 |
salgado | SteveA, known problem ^? | 06:08 |
iwj | Thanks. | 06:08 |
iwj | Yes, that worked. | 06:08 |
snail | iwj: that feature seems related to my bug-du-jure https://bugz.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libpam-openafs-session/+bug/68361 | 06:09 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 68361 in libpam-openafs-session "pam authenticate " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 06:09 |
SteveA | iwj: was that a bookmarked page? | 06:13 |
SteveA | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/unified-login-unlock-screen | 06:13 |
SteveA | that's the link you get from within launchpad | 06:13 |
SteveA | hmm, I guess many links on the wiki will point to "features" | 06:13 |
salgado | yeah, I thought we'd keep the old URLs working for some time | 06:13 |
SteveA | I asked that in the rollout: | 06:14 |
SteveA | Also, we should ask the admins to do a permanent redirect in apache from `features.launchpad.net/.*` to `blueprints.launchpad.net/\1` so that we don't break links. || | 06:14 |
SteveA | I guess that hasn't happened :-( | 06:14 |
SteveA | I'll talk with the admins... | 06:14 |
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iwj | SteveA: I got that URL from some wiki page. | 06:18 |
SteveA | iwj: ok. thanks. soon, it will do a perm. redirect. | 06:18 |
SteveA | thanks for mentioning the issue here. | 06:18 |
iwj | I've edited the pages I'm tripping over to have non-features... url's. | 06:19 |
iwj | NP. | 06:19 |
iwj | Thanks for getting me unblocked. | 06:19 |
SteveA | we'd planned to avoid the broken links, but the plan was not carried out to completion. | 06:19 |
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kiko | hello hello loverboys and girls | 06:23 |
SteveA | Spads: yes, great now. thanks | 06:24 |
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cprov | Znarl: ping | 06:26 |
Znarl | cprov : Pong? | 06:27 |
cprov | Znarl: hi, can you, please, check the RT 23633 ? | 06:28 |
cprov | Znarl: the problem still happen and I have no idea about what is causing it. | 06:29 |
kiko | Znarl, if you help cprov out of this train-wreck he will share his firefighting helmet with you | 06:29 |
Znarl | cprov : Interesting. Jubany was upgraded this morning to dapper. Do you know when it started happening? | 06:30 |
cprov | kiko: aha, we can buy another one for him, I got myself emotionally attached to this one. | 06:30 |
kiko | Znarl, it's been happening since sunday. | 06:31 |
cprov | Znarl: monday, I guess, let me check | 06:31 |
kiko | Znarl, and we think it's a networking issue; at least the last times something similar happened it was | 06:31 |
kiko | cprov, oh, monday, not sunday? | 06:31 |
cprov | kiko: 17th 5 occurences; 20th, 1; 21th a lot ...today, 9 | 06:32 |
Znarl | We've had no major changes or down time on the LAN in the DC for some time now. | 06:33 |
kiko | cprov, can you run a ping to jubany? | 06:34 |
cprov | kiko: Znarl: then I guess it can only be explained by high usage in drescher | 06:34 |
cprov | kiko: sure, 0.131/0.133/0.137/0.013 ms | 06:34 |
Znarl | That's possible, we've got a failed disk in drescher today - which will cause the system to go slower than normal. | 06:34 |
Znarl | Drescher and jubany are on the same switch too, nothing in between to cause problems. | 06:35 |
cprov | Znarl: the problem is more like to be in jubany, as you can see in the error message | 06:37 |
cprov | Znarl: it must have been requested too often by drescher monster queries, can we look on jubany psql logs for something suspect ? | 06:39 |
Znarl | fiera@launchpad_prod/14591 2006-11-22 11:28:07 GMT LOG: unexpected EOF on client connection | 06:42 |
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Znarl | That appears 1542 times today. | 06:42 |
cprov | Znarl: ehe, nice dialog: drescher: wot about this conn? / jubany: dunno / drescher: me neither / *boom* | 06:46 |
cprov | Znarl: do you think this disk problem in drescher might be causing it indirectly ? | 06:46 |
Znarl | A failed disk should cause only slower IO, nothing else. | 06:47 |
Znarl | ...and it failed this morning too. | 06:47 |
cprov | Znarl: yes, very unlikely to be it. So, no idea and no expectation to have any during the next few days, let's keep just watching. | 06:51 |
Znarl | This may be a case for stub to have a look at. | 06:52 |
cprov | Znarl: good idea, will send an email to the list, thanks | 06:55 |
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dholbach | hello, where can i ask for voodoo like renaming a product from "feisty-session-splashesv" to "feisty-session-splashes"? :-/ | 07:36 |
flacoste | dholbach: https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+addticket | 07:37 |
dholbach | flacoste: thank you very much | 07:37 |
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pirast | My subscription to a team is expired. What can I do when I want to rejoin? | 08:12 |
salgado | pirast, right now the only thing you can do is talk to the team admins and ask them to renew | 08:13 |
pirast | salgado, k thanks | 08:14 |
salgado | in the future it'll be possible to either renew your own subscription or tell the admins (through launchpad) that you want to have it renewed | 08:14 |
salgado | lifeless, are you awake already? :) | 08:16 |
salgado | or maybe SteveA? | 08:17 |
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SteveA | salgado: I'm around but I need to take a break for a while. I'll be around later. | 08:21 |
salgado | SteveA, that's fine. will you have some time for a pre-implementation call tomorrow? I can try to discuss it with kiko if you don't, so it's no big deal | 08:22 |
salgado | actually, he just came back; I'll bother him | 08:23 |
kiko | sure I can help | 08:23 |
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kiko | SteveA, I helped salgado | 08:50 |
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flacoste | kiko: can the blurbs for the report wait until tomorrow? | 09:24 |
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kiko | flacoste, flacoste, flacoste! | 09:58 |
flacoste | kiko: I would have liked to finish tt-search-localized-requests before starting the blurb, but I can postpone that if you are waiting on me | 09:59 |
kiko | flacoste, it's okay. I can wait. | 09:59 |
flacoste | you'll have it tomorrow, i promise :-) | 10:00 |
kiko | flacoste, I know I will. :-) | 10:00 |
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