=== gasbag [n=gasbag@68-189-241-88.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === qhartman [n=qhartman@12.111.169.2] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:49] BenC: is it intentional that /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.19-*/include/linux/config.h does not exist anymore? [01:50] yep [01:51] k, so if I package a kernel module I should replace it with linux/autoconf.h, right? [01:52] i think you remove it totally [01:52] wouldn't that cause problems if there are #ifdefs that require the config #defines? [01:53] i think it was an empty file in 2.6.15 but i would have to look at the code [01:54] for 2.6.17 it was: #include === _human_blip_away [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:03] lfittl: Remove it completey [02:04] lfittl: The module build system adds "-include .../autoconf.h" now [02:04] so it's explicitly always there [02:09] BenC: k, thanks [02:40] BenC: ping [02:41] zul: pong [02:41] should the patch for #6244 go in edgy or bump it to fiesty [02:41] it looks trivial enough for edgy [02:42] er...62444 [02:56] zul: let me check [02:57] zul: Looks suitable for edgy-updates [02:59] cool [03:02] funny that patch is crack === joejaxx [i=jadaz87@ubuntu/member/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === joejaxx [i=jadaz87@ubuntu/member/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === KnowledgEngi [n=xxx@host-84-221-181-32.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:02] hello [04:04] i have a big problem with the kernel [04:04] the problem is that i need to use a software named rosegarden [04:05] this software need a particular kernel [04:05] a low-latency kernel [04:05] this is a software for musician [04:05] and work realtime [04:06] and without a low-latency kernel there is problem with system timer [04:08] System timer resolution is too low [04:08] Rosegarden was unable to find a high-resolution timing source for MIDI [04:08] performance. [04:08] This may mean you are using a Linux system with the kernel timer [04:08] resolution set too low. Please contact your Linux distributor for more [04:08] information. [04:17] KnowledgEngi: Probably is two fold [04:17] KnowledgEngi: We can provide a kernel with a proper timer, however that kernel would not be suitable for all people, especially those not needing high resolution timers [04:18] KnowledgEngi: Second problem is that we always get folks wanting this feature, but no one puts in the time to implement or test it [04:18] usually we end up hearing about it after release [04:18] you work in the ubuntu comunity ? [04:18] we are ubuntu developers? [04:18] you [04:18] yes, we == kernel developers == mainly me [04:19] newly kylem, but for references to the past me :) [04:19] wow [04:19] :) [04:19] is very important for me becouse i work with music [04:19] and i studi music composition in a music school [04:19] studY [04:20] and under ubuntu i has much problem with midi software and notation software [04:20] right, I understand the issue [04:21] i do not use other tutorial about kernel building [04:21] becouse i think that is possible that after i can have other problems [04:21] there is an ubuntu specific tutorial at the URL in the topic [04:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryKernel [04:23] this page? [04:23] yes, look for Build link [04:24] my english is terrible, i'm italian. Can you tall me the specific link good for my problem? [04:24] I do know that dapper has the proper frequency [04:24] so if you are using edgy, maybe switch to dapper [04:24] i'm use edgy [04:25] oh wait, no I switched it back in dapper [04:25] because of the problems it was causing for laptop users (low battery life) [04:25] i have a pc with case [04:25] i have not a laptop [04:25] :) [04:26] I know, but the kernel is the same either way...and we can't help the 0.1% of users trying to do music just to make 5% of users reduce battery life [04:27] i hope that in the next ubuntu release there is a possibility to install a prebuild low-latency kernel [04:27] using synaptic [04:27] :) [04:27] probably is, no one is asking for it much [04:27] I hear about it once every 2 to 4 months from one person [04:28] much people in channel relater with linux audio speack about this problem with rosegarden and kernel [04:28] hard to justify the extra build and space on mirrors for a handful of people [04:30] in this age much people work with music [04:30] Dj too [04:30] is not a rarely problem :) [04:31] i know much people that do not use linux becouse have problem with audio [04:31] and midi [04:33] for me now is sufficent just a document that show me the procedure that i need for solve this problem [04:38] the firsth step that i need is this?: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild?highlight=%28CategoryKernel%29 [04:39] that's the only document you need [04:40] i need upgrade to ubuntu dapper ? [04:40] or ubuntu edgy is ok [04:40] ? [04:41] edgy is newer than dapper [04:41] stick with edgy [04:42] my english is terrible [04:42] i know that edgy is the new release [04:42] but i do not know if is compatible with this how-to [04:43] becouse 10 minuts ag you tall me something about dapper [04:44] the howto clearly says it is for edgy [05:04] . /boot/config-2.6.17-10-generic [05:04] where i must to copy it before build the kernel ??? [05:05] is possilbe that there is an error in the how-to [05:05] user@ubuntu:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.17$ ls -l debian/config/i386/ [05:05] ls: debian/config/i386/: Not a directory [05:07] cp /boot/config-2.6.17-10-generic debian/Config/config [05:07] is correct ? [05:08] cd debian/Config && make menuconfig [05:08] debian/rules updateconfigs [05:08] i do not know if is correct [05:18] KnowledgEngi: I'll assist you in #ubuntustudio. Please don't ask here, because it's not pertinent to Ubuntu development. [05:19] in ubuntustudio the people tall the same thinh [05:19] thing [05:19] KnowledgEngi: I'll assist you in #ubuntustudio. Please don't ask here, because it's not pertinent to Ubuntu development. [05:19] they not give support [05:20] but is related to ubuntu kernel [05:20] becouse i neet to rebuild it [05:20] modifing the config [05:20] ok, I don't know if you're just blatantly ignoring what I've repeated, or if you truly can't understand what I'm saying. [05:21] I'm in that irc channel _right now_, so please, let's migrate this support issue away from a development channel, ok? === KnowledgEngi [n=xxx@host-84-221-181-32.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Leaving"] === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC [n=bcollins@67.97.251.10] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [07:11] BenC: still around? [07:11] yeah [07:11] i added the pata_via but it seems VERY buggy [07:11] if i boot with quiet/splash i get a combinations of segfaults (init) and OOPS [07:11] weird, others reported it worked very well [07:12] oh yeah.. if i remove quiet/splash it boots [07:12] and this didn't happen before pata_via? [07:12] nope [07:12] very very odd [07:12] i will need to grab pics of the OOPS [07:12] that's worth another bug report [07:12] there is nothing i can do at that point [07:13] oh wait, I bet I might know [07:13] blacklist amd76x_edac [07:13] is this an amd64 box? [07:13] it's not loaded [07:13] ok, nm then [07:13] yes, but it's running i386 stuff [07:14] ok, I'm headed to bed, but I can check on it in the morning [07:14] ok thanks dude [07:14] good night [07:14] later === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === calavera [n=calavera@195.Red-80-26-32.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === dade` [n=dade@nectarine/admin/dade] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [07:38] c === peeps [n=peeps@cpe-70-112-25-110.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pmjdebruijn [n=pmjdebru@pmjdebruijn.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/session] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:56] does there are still code being added to init/main.c or is it now very stabilized ? [10:57] sorry i meant init/main.c in kernel code === ivoks [n=ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === holden [n=holden@d83-184-29-186.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === holden [n=holden@d83-184-29-186.cust.tele2.it] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Ex-Chat"] === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [12:52] are the nvidia modules ok or is that one of the missing modules === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [12:56] it works === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pmjdebruijn [n=pmjdebru@pmjdebruijn.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === trappist [i=trappist@linuxkungfu.org] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] === ph8 [i=henri@rigel.orion-hosting.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === dade` [n=dade@nectarine/admin/dade] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === frenkel [n=frank@j10031.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:43] does anybody here know why after installing xen, there is no /lib/modules/2.6.xx-xen0/build directory? [04:47] did you install the headers? [04:47] yes [04:47] try opening a bug in launchpad an ill look at it when i can [04:47] ok, thanks [04:48] should i use xen-headers package? [04:48] yes [04:48] (for the bug) [04:48] ok [04:49] or xen-source-2.6.whatever [04:51] submitted: https://bugz.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xen-source-2.6.17/+bug/72870 [04:51] thanks [04:51] yw === dade` [n=dade@nectarine/admin/dade] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === dade` [n=dade@nectarine/admin/dade] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === dade` [n=dade@nectarine/admin/dade] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [07:44] someone knows if the function to disable console suspend on suspend to ram can be enabled in ubuntu 2.6.19-6 kernel without recompiling ? [07:50] Depends what you mean by console suspend [07:51] it's an option in power management section of kernel config [07:52] Oh. In that case, no. [07:52] You want netconsole to work? [07:52] CONFIG_DISABLE_CONSOLE_SUSPEND=y [07:52] ok [07:53] I'm not really skilled, never used netconsole [07:55] Why are you worried about the console_suspend option? [07:56] I want to see why kernel 2.6.19 freezes during suspend to ram, even without piix support [07:56] BenC, ok, merged and compiled ok for edgy. [08:04] kylem: do you feel lucky? [08:04] hmm? [08:04] *grins* [08:04] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.19/+bug/72824 [08:05] and i would like to handover to either you or Ben the gfs merge from redhat [08:05] i saw something about pata_via today. hold. [08:06] or not, nm. :/ [08:06] kylem: http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/ <- in .19 we are tracking CVS HEAD [08:06] kylem: would you like to be in charge of keeping it up to date in .19? [08:06] also.. Ben did some patching to make it build in .19 [08:06] but it's all in one git commit [08:07] i would like to have the .17 -> .19 patch separated so i can submit it upstream [08:07] Are we doing the ->libata transition? [08:07] If so, someone really needs to pull all the code from -mm [08:07] Plus all the patches that Alan just through at lkml [08:07] note that i am not asking you to take over GFS testing.. just merging upstream bits into our tree. [08:07] fabbione, i can probably do that. [08:08] kylem: ok, can you let me know by the end of your day? [08:08] kylem: Sweet, can I pull now? [08:08] kylem: an email or /msg will do [08:08] BenC, not yet, still some more patches to go in first. [08:08] ok [08:08] I got the pata_via bug, btw [08:08] i have a bunch of patches for dapper-updates as well [08:08] it's an initramfs thing [08:08] mjg59, yeah, that's probably where i saw it, on mm. [08:09] BenC: initramfs? the OOPS? [08:09] oh, that's right, you ended up with an oops [08:09] BenC, alright, won't spend time on that then. [08:09] BenC: see 72824 [08:09] kylem: no he is talking about another pata_via bug [08:10] fabbione: that's the one that doesn't occur when you remove quiet/splash? [08:10] or is it random? [08:10] fabbione, ah. [08:10] BenC: it happens at random. I did re-test and it doesn't matter if you have quiet/splash [08:10] ok [08:10] that one in the pic is without quiet/splash [08:10] that's nasty. [08:10] it looks like it happens ONLY at boot [08:10] machine didn't do anything fancy since i booted it [08:11] uptime [08:11] 20:11:05 up 12:36, 6 users, load average: 0.75, 0.41, 0.22 [08:11] and no OOPS [08:11] problem is getting there :) [08:11] I may end up switching via back to ide if it isn't an easy fix, but I'll try emailing AC about it [08:11] well point him to the OOPS [08:11] perhpas he knows [08:11] or how can i stress test the system in a useful way [08:12] it looks to me something related to bus/disk scanning [08:12] since it doesn't happen after it boots [08:13] i don't see anything related in rc5-mm2. [08:20] fabbione, if you just want me to update the whole of ubuntu/fs/gfs/ from cvs, and make sure it builds, that's not a problem. [08:21] fabbione: I thought the same thing, sounded like a race between device initialization completion and first use of the disk === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:27] what is the config option i need for cciss? === dade` [n=dade@nectarine/admin/dade] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:28] CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_CISS_DA [08:28] thanks kylem [08:31] np [08:31] kylem: yes, that's all i want and the patches we do locally to make it build, so i can push them upstream and keep the delta to 0 [08:32] kylem: upstream is really fast taking our patches [08:33] kylem: IDEALLY if you can give me the patches based on the CVS sources it would be even better, but that's optional [08:56] BenC/kylem: is it easier for you guys to grab my patches through email to the mailing list or using a repo [08:56] pulling from a git repo is by far the easiest, as long as you adhere to the commit styles [08:57] templates I mean [08:57] and nothing in the changelogs right? [08:58] and test build... [08:58] cool [09:00] ill set them up tonight === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:04] or try to, aniversary is tonight ;) === rikai [n=rikai@unaffiliated/rikai] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === johanbr [n=j@jupiter.physics.ubc.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === gasbag [n=gasbag@68-189-241-88.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel