[12:38] rofl [12:50] hey wheres the best place to get an ubuntu tshirt? === hybrid [n=x@easyubuntu/supporter/hybrid] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [12:51] hybrid: it does exist. === rED_HErrING is now known as Red_heRRing|COD === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:14] evening minions [02:14] :) [02:14] anybody up for some UWN hacking? [02:16] nah not tonight [02:17] right [02:17] nixternal, elkbuntu, poningru: going to slack off? :) [02:18] lophyte: yo [02:28] alright [02:28] sir yes sir [02:28] ready to hack [02:46] ey? [02:51] My god Burgundavia - it's like you have a direct link to my professors and schedule UWN specifically for when school is eating me alive. [02:51] On the plus side, I already filled in some of the USNs, news, and other random items a few days ago [02:54] tonyyarusso: ok, that rocks [02:54] poningru, nixternal: sorry, sucked into pp-racer [02:54] ok [02:54] hahaha [02:55] let see responsive gobby.ubuntu.com is this week [02:55] heh [02:55] hmm, not good [02:55] lets go to your server poningru [02:56] mk [02:56] what is the IP again? [02:56] huh... hold on [02:56] ru@ip72-209-68-178 [02:57] password is ufl@ftw [02:57] what week is this? [02:57] 23? [02:57] 22 [02:57] cool [02:57] created [02:58] here are the tasks: [02:58] 1) community news [02:58] 2) update edgy/dapper chnages [02:58] 3) update USNs (if needed) [02:58] 4) bug count [02:58] 5) community news [02:58] 6) complete in the press section [02:59] 7) spell check and proof "spec of the week section" === poningru will do usn, bug for now [03:00] 3 & 4 [03:00] spec of the week? that's new [03:02] i yid [03:02] it is, rather [03:03] part of communicating release goals better [03:04] hmm nice [03:05] I want to create a LookingFowardToFeisty doc some point as well [03:08] brb [03:16] ok, lots of urls on gobby to write about [03:18] ooh indeed === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [03:34] how about throwing in a little blurb about how microsoft says every linux user owes them money for their intellectual property [03:36] do we really want to pollute our lovely UWN with stallman [03:43] ... [03:43] stallman? [03:43] you mean balmer [03:43] wth [03:44] stallman is the gnufather [03:44] he has worked harder than anyone towards software freedom, even though he can be rather barbaric in some of his attmpts...i am understanding him more and more each day [03:45] right [03:45] i was reading something about stallman when you mentioned the ballmer bullshit [03:45] hehe === poningru throws chair at elkbuntu [03:45] my brain is baked the the consistancy of a custard tart at the moment [03:45] i think mako sells FSF/GNU better than stallman does [03:45] mmm custard tart [03:46] omg custard tart! [03:47] mako is actually sane [03:47] hehe ya [03:47] but if he hangs around stallman anymore, he might lose that [03:47] nah [03:47] mako understands how to communicate to non-geeks [03:47] very true [03:48] stallman has the right ideas, just carries them out the wrong way [03:48] elkbuntu: stop procrastinating, start editing [03:48] Burgundavia, im not procrastinating [03:48] hahaha [03:49] not editing UWN == procrastinating [03:49] im unblocking my blog so i can check for comments === Red_heRRing|COD is now known as Red_heRRing === lophyte [n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [03:58] ... are we back on poningru's gobby? [04:04] yes [04:04] 22 [04:10] poningru: those USNs, only 12-18th are displayed [04:14] grabbing dinner, so might in and out [04:17] Burgundavia, was https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2006-November/000782.html supposed to be about the bosnian loco or the completely unrelated previous message in the thread [04:17] loco team [04:18] i might mention the youth thing, in addition? [04:18] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2006-November/000781.html [04:18] as an announcement.. maybe [04:19] i guess there's other issues it can be left for [04:21] sure === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-68-178.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:56] Burgundavia, news done :) [04:56] elkbuntu: thanks [04:57] can you make each news item a seperate heading? [04:57] sure [04:58] can you dive into the "in the press" section next? [04:59] k [05:01] hmmm maybe i should have looked at the list before agreeing : [05:02] Burgundavia, am i leaving your one-line comments in? [05:03] s/one/half/ [05:03] those are not my comments [05:03] the articles need more than what is there, so i'll beef a bit === poningru is diving in to press as well [05:08] poningru, see if you can figure out how to put more than half a line next to the openaddict review tihng [05:08] openaddict? === poningru is working from last to first [05:09] ah ok [05:09] Burgundavia, are we doing headings for each of the news stories or not? [05:09] s/news/press/ [05:09] nope, no need to [05:10] oh... [05:11] tonyyarusso: seeing as you appear to have some free time now [05:12] Burgundavia: Small amount, if I can multitask [05:12] sure [05:12] can you cleanup the new versions from Debian? [05:13] I need to do the rest of the feisty changes [05:13] The string of "Accepted"s we go you mean? [05:13] *got [05:13] Burgundavia: can you look through that cookie summary [05:13] see if thats how big you want it [05:13] should it go bigger? [05:13] IP? [05:14] perfect [05:14] tonyyarusso: see the 22 page on the wiki [05:15] tonyyarusso, poningru's [05:15] (look at his hostmask) [05:16] for the record, I still have 140 emails from feisty-changes to go through [05:18] Jeepers. My dad really needs a lesson in e-mail subject line writing. [05:18] waah? [05:18] oh yeah [05:20] Burgundavia: Do you have something in particular in mind for "cleaning up" this list? [05:20] tonyyarusso: make certain we only list the upstream version number [05:20] so X.X-Y <-- the Y is the debian version [05:21] have it appname XX - description and/or url [05:21] and put a star with a space on either side at the beginning of each line [05:22] do we wanna do the art-work article? [05:22] someone else do that [05:22] also someone who can speak dutch do https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-November/009381.html [05:22] Any reason some of these are indented an extra space or two? [05:24] simply because of copying errors [05:24] Thought so, since I'm pretty sure the wiki ignores that anyway [05:26] There's a youtube dl app? Cool [05:31] tonyyarusso: there is a youtube download firefox extension [05:31] I should get that [05:33] videodownloader [05:33] https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2390/ [05:34] ty === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [05:36] What's a version number of 1.0.1.dsfg-1 mean? [05:37] 1.0.1 upstream [05:37] new tarball, because of non-free elements [05:37] first debian version [05:39] ah [05:39] I knew the -1 part, but not dsfg [06:00] can somebody write little pieces on those two mailing list posts in Feisty changes? [06:00] If something has part of the version # in the app name, do I keep it there? [06:03] context? [06:05] poningru, im guessing you're gone and gotten busy, so i'm taking over your section : [06:06] is cool [06:08] Burgundavia: lsb-pkgchk3 3.0.3, mediawiki1.7 1.7.1 [06:08] right [06:08] leave them [06:09] 'k [06:13] elkbuntu: /me will start the spell checking === klepas [n=klepas@202-161-31-121.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [06:16] hey Madpilot [06:17] hi [06:17] someone find a dutchman for the dutch thingie and the press is done [06:17] afk [06:21] hunting dutchmen is -marketing's latest hobby? [06:22] elkbuntu++ [06:22] bwhahaha [06:23] asked in -nl [06:24] Someone's thinking - weird [06:26] uh... [06:27] we are discouraging easyubuntu? [06:27] or simple mistake? === poningru guesses latter [06:27] where? [06:28] just changed it [06:28] Another review has been published at http://www.openaddict.com/page.php?26 This review is of Ubuntu 6.10 on a Dell XPS M170 Laptop. The review is in-depth and has a slightly more technical format than the one above. The review also advocates the Use of EasyUbuntu, usage of which is encouraged over Automatix. [06:28] it was [06:29] Another review has been published at http://www.openaddict.com/page.php?26 This review is of Ubuntu 6.10 on a Dell XPS M170 Laptop. The review is in-depth and has a slightly more technical format than the one above. The review also advocates the Use of EasyUbuntu, which again, we discourage. [06:29] we discourage both [06:30] we do? [06:30] why? [06:30] they both duplicate existing functionality within Ubuntu are known to cause issues [06:31] obviously re: former charge.. the point is to make it more accesible for users, re: former didnt know easyubuntu caused issues [06:31] err latter [06:32] "we discourage both, although EasyUbuntu is less likely to cause issues than Automatix" [06:34] k [06:35] Okay, there are 7 imports from Debian that don't have a URL/description still, but I got the versions and formatting done. Could someone take care of that? (I should get back to my electronics assignment) [06:36] ok, will do [06:36] thanks tonyyarusso [06:36] yw [06:36] ready to go then [06:36] about 75 left in my inbox to process [06:36] (Ubuntufy, poningru?) [06:36] :) [06:36] oh [06:37] Burgundavia: also we need the dutch translation thing [06:37] yep, but I will drop that from this week if needed [06:37] yeah true that [06:40] poningru: can you write about those two urls I put in the Feisty section? [06:40] looking [06:45] poningru: that isn't really breaking from convention [06:45] k [06:53] ah, crap, missed this weeks LWN [06:54] LWN? [06:54] linux weekly news [06:54] you help write that too? [06:54] isnt that paid? [06:55] can someone run a quick spell check/grammar check on the stuff I wrote [06:55] no, but I try and make it so that the UWN hits this weeks [06:56] poningru: got it [06:57] sweet [06:58] k [06:58] Burgundavia: gobby.ubuntu.com ? [06:58] nah, poningru's server [06:58] /whois poningru for the ip [06:58] k [06:59] yeah I had no idea how to write the bling para [06:59] session pass ? [07:00] poningru / Burgundavia ^ [07:00] sorry [07:00] ufl@ftw [07:01] we're working on 22 right ? heheh , i get in this so late each week :) [07:02] Burgundavia: why'd you quit? [07:03] oh === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:03] grumble [07:03] machine hardlocked [07:03] ouch [07:04] hrm Burgundavia_ looking back really only kde 3.5.5a got uploaded [07:05] the rest was all small bug fixes [07:05] no, I have a bunch of kde-related apps [07:05] konversation, etc. [07:05] those are all sync'd === imbrandon looks again [07:05] sync'd still gets talkeda bout [07:05] ahh ok [07:06] :) [07:06] we nitpick [07:08] I'm still confused about this "Desktop Bling" stuff - I have an ATI card - what will happen for me? [07:09] no clue... alteast mathewgarrett doesnt know === poningru neither btw [07:10] Burgundavia_: where were you going with that bling? [07:11] out back, to shoot it [07:11] poningru, re easyubuntu and automatix... we frown on both equally, for diplomatic reasons that are completely lost on the automatix crowd anyway [07:11] err the latter of which is... [07:11] hmm [07:11] ROFL === poningru goes with Burgundavia_ for some grilled bling [07:11] I like mine well done [07:12] yeah, if i find half-baked bling on my plate, i will not be happy [07:13] yeah make sure to use the AIGLX sauce [07:13] that old XGL sauce just doesnt cut it anymore [07:13] too odd a taste [07:14] indeed === tonyyarusso wonders why we have compiz and not beryl so far [07:15] because compize was arround first , is stable(er) and someone cared enough to package it properly :) [07:15] because compiz is only mild crack and beryl is full on ragging not-coming-back-from-this-trip crack [07:15] raging, rather [07:15] hahaha exactly [07:15] i was trying to say it diplomaticly [07:15] but Burgundavia_ hit the nail on the head [07:16] you only have to meet quinn storm in person to understand what happened [07:16] imbrandon: Is that a final decision, or a how things stand now at the initial sync stage decision? [07:16] why so? [07:16] tonyyarusso: it is a fight between the world and mark [07:16] you only have to ask him a few simple questions "why did you fork compiz" in the BoF to see why also [07:16] the rest of the dev team is wants compiz, at the most [07:16] he... err.. she is... an interesting character [07:17] rofl [07:17] and given they upload to Ubuntu... [07:17] so basically, the dev team is trying to do and end run around Mark by putting in compiz first and seeing if it sticks [07:18] tonyyarusso: nothing i say is "official" but i was in the room when the decisions were being made and i can assure you it will be a cold day in hell when beryl is default in feisty [07:18] Burgundavia_: compiz was in ubuntu before beryl forked === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:18] imbrandon: yes, but the compiz was mostly beryl for a while [07:19] Burgundavia: true, thats when there was only one crack [07:19] and i think we should drop this here... [07:19] before we say bad things [07:19] but still its not the dev's trying to go arround mark, i think we finaly convinced him at UDS how crackfull it was, and how he made a technical decision without looking at the technical end [07:20] but anyhow , its all crack and needs to die basicly imho untill it can be proven to work reliably for more than a week on 4 systems === tonyyarusso obviously opened a much larger can of worms than he anticipated [07:20] I think this whole binary driver thing is going to die as well [07:20] tonyyarusso: :) [07:21] Burgundavia: yea i think so too, i can only hope on that one [07:21] Burgundavia: sweet [07:21] I expect the reason that AcceleratedX has not been approved is because mdz is having a raging battle with Mark right now [07:21] Burgundavia: yea [07:21] mdz and scott both [07:22] and anyone with a clue in a position to do so [07:22] can someone check through the bling thing [07:22] hrm, i need to become a better writer, i cant think of any more kde hotness this week, i should start this brainstorm as soon as the old UWN is out each time [07:23] yep [07:23] the wiki page has been up for a week now [07:23] elkbuntu / Burgundavia , mind proofing 41 , while i dig some more kubuntu stuff up [07:23] elkbuntu: can you do that? few more bits of uploads [07:23] already on it === Burgundavia loves the riot of colours on gobby === Red_heRRing is now known as red_herring|zzzZ [07:25] hehe [07:25] i always try to use green, my fav color ( just not that shade ) [07:25] I need to pick a good color and stick with it - I'm a different one every time [07:26] hehe [07:26] your client should remember [07:26] I am almost always the light blue [07:26] looks purple here, might be my mopnitor [07:26] monitor* [07:27] must be that KDE crack :) [07:27] and i seem to go pink... [07:28] hehe /me is always orange [07:28] one of the first gobby sessions, it was literally the boys all in blues, and me in pink :-/ [07:29] rofl [07:29] Burgundavia, remember that? [07:30] not really === elkbuntu pouts [07:30] my memory is a seive [07:30] you pointed it out, i hadnt noticed it until you said it either [07:30] aaaaanyway [07:31] ... [07:31] removing dutch thingy [07:31] objections? [07:31] leave it until we know if we can find a translator [07:31] poningru: got me a dutch speaker [07:32] blargh? [07:32] he is incoming [07:32] still hunting Dutchmen? === poningru puts it back [07:32] Madpilot: no dude we were hunting bling [07:32] Madpilot: you really don't read your own loco teams channel, do you? === matjan [n=matjan@216.154.22.228] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:32] and he arrives [07:32] Burgundavia, I just got back from being afk, so no, I haven't [07:32] dutchmen were coming for dinner [07:32] hey matjan [07:32] *** Dutch translation assistance needed*** https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-November/009381.html [07:33] hey [07:33] make us a lovely story and we'll.. um.. shower you with huggles! [07:35] elkbuntu, you were talking to me? [07:35] elkbuntu: you still proofing?' [07:35] Burgundavia, i'll be back to it in a sec [07:35] ok [07:36] ahhh.. JanC [07:36] the usual suspects [07:38] can somebody write that upcoming events article? [07:38] Burgundavia, so what needs translation? [07:38] matjan: See the URL poningru posted [07:39] what does the new article say? [07:39] anything different from the mail? [07:40] you mean the first link in JanC's post? [07:40] yep [07:40] let me check [07:41] anybody missing from the credits? [07:42] what is translated in the JanC's post is only the first paragraph of that article [07:42] matjan, we would like the whole article :) [07:43] ok, before when? [07:43] and will someone else proofread? [07:43] Is our translator in the credits? [07:43] Burgundavia, when are you sending this edition forth? [07:44] elkbuntu: in an hour [07:44] tonyyarusso: once he tells me his full name [07:44] matjan, can you do it in an hour? [07:44] matjan: we just need the gist, to write a short summary [07:45] I'm amused by the English spelling debate we seem to have on line 29 [07:45] tonyyarusso, has it been changed again? [07:46] can anybody make heads or tails of the post sent to the marketing list? [07:46] the mint and pclinuxos one? [07:46] s/?// [07:46] elkbuntu: It's at z now [07:46] elkbuntu: UCK is z [07:46] elkbuntu, it is already 1.50aqm here, and i am also working on some other stuff... [07:46] so we now have one of each [07:47] matjan: ok, quick summary, do the rest of the paragraphs change anything from the first one? [07:47] are you meaning in 'customise' [07:47] yes [07:48] Burgundavia: No idea - first off, it's at #51 [07:48] yep [07:48] mint has hit #1, but I don't expect that to last [07:48] I think this person missed the point that "Linux is not Windows" [07:49] Burgundavia, the second paragrah describes how the software was selected, that thre are no server apps, and there is a windoeze and a linux version (linux being breezy) [07:50] ah, ok [07:50] that is enough for us, thanks [07:51] I see only proofreading after that. Anybody else? [07:51] matjan: what is your full name? I need it for the credits [07:52] Burgundavia, i've sent my eyes over it, but someone needs to go over again focussing on the pink stuff.. and hopefully not americanise everything [07:52] heh [07:52] Burgundavia, third paragraph describes in a bit more detail what 3 sorts of software that are present: 1. educational, 2. general use (office apps etc.), 3. open educational tools (information sharing, etc) [07:53] Burgundavia, matty janssen [07:53] perfect [07:54] elkbuntu: hehe that z was me :p [07:54] poningru, listen to the canadian and the australian, use s : [07:54] 'ecept canada uses z [07:55] indeed [07:55] but you changed it back [07:55] meh [07:55] brits use s [07:55] Burgundavia, ok, cool [07:55] poningru, we write the newsletter in english, not american [07:56] Burgundavia: Wait, they do? The ca spellchecking stuff says s, so that's what I've been trying to adapt to. [07:56] blargh? === tonyyarusso curses at the defective lightbulb [07:56] american english is english [07:56] :p === poningru ruffles his feathers === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:57] poningru: Sorry, as an American, I'm agreeing with the other folks. Might as well do it the way the entire planet but us do. [07:57] poningru, no.. american english is american [07:57] oh no I was agreeing with them also [07:57] I was just 'ruffling my feathers' [07:57] the same as australian english is australian. [07:58] i...c [07:58] ok, final spell check everybody [08:03] anybody still editing? [08:03] reading [08:03] oh yeah its good [08:04] ok, I need to do some dishes, so I will be back in 10 or so [08:04] Not I, said the dinosaur [08:04]