[11:56] <highvoltage> @schedule
[11:56] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 22 Nov 20:00: Edubuntu | 25 Nov 18:00: Xubuntu | 28 Nov 16:00: LoCo Team | 29 Nov 12:00: Edubuntu
[06:53] <licio> rodarvus, http://www.flickr.com/photos/25563799@N00/295938759/
[07:09] <stgraber> @schedule
[07:09] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 22 Nov 20:00: Edubuntu | 25 Nov 18:00: Xubuntu | 28 Nov 16:00: LoCo Team | 29 Nov 12:00: Edubuntu
[07:09] <stgraber> @schedule Zurich
[07:09] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 22 Nov 21:00: Edubuntu | 25 Nov 19:00: Xubuntu | 28 Nov 17:00: LoCo Team | 29 Nov 13:00: Edubuntu
[08:20] <sbalneav> @schedule
[08:20] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 22 Nov 20:00: Edubuntu | 25 Nov 18:00: Xubuntu | 28 Nov 16:00: LoCo Team | 29 Nov 12:00: Edubuntu
[08:21] <sbalneav> @schedule winnipeg
[08:21] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Winnipeg: 22 Nov 14:00: Edubuntu | 25 Nov 12:00: Xubuntu | 28 Nov 10:00: LoCo Team | 29 Nov 06:00: Edubuntu
[08:53] <sbalneav> PARTAY PARTAY PARTAY
[08:53] <pygi> sbalneav: not really, sadly
[08:54] <sbalneav> It's always a party :)
[08:54] <sbalneav> Hey, get your book prices?
[08:54] <pygi> no, and I don't think I will even bother anymore
[08:55] <pygi> sbalneav: btw. read planet ... you should get new libburn any day now
[08:55] <sbalneav> Howcome?  Why all the glumness?
[08:55] <sbalneav> Something bad happen in your personal life?
[08:55] <pygi> nop
[08:56] <sbalneav> So, what's up then, budy?
[08:56] <sbalneav> s/budy/buddy/
[08:56] <pygi> nothing, ignore me ^_^
[08:56] <sbalneav> phht.
[08:57] <ajmitch> you seem so very happy
[08:57] <pygi> ajmitch: yea, right ....
[09:03] <lotusleaf> "I feel pretty,Oh, so pretty,I feel pretty and witty and bright!And I pity Any girl who isn't me tonight. I feel charming,Oh, so charming It's alarming how charming I feel!And so pretty"
[09:03] <Seveas> /pity lotusleaf 
[09:04] <lotusleaf> Seveas: and so pretty!
[09:04] <lotusleaf> and briiiiiiiiiiight!
[09:04] <Seveas> And so pretty, that I hardly can beleive I'm real
[09:04] <Seveas> See the pretty girl in th mirrot there?
[09:05] <Seveas> What mirror where?
[09:05] <lotusleaf> "Who can that attractive girl be?Such a pretty face,Such a pretty dress,Such a pretty smile,Such a pretty me!I feel stunningAnd entrancing,Feel like running and dancing for joy,For I'm lovedBy a pretty wonderful boy!"
[09:05] <lotusleaf> engage!
[09:06] <highvoltage> hi
[09:08] <highvoltage> I can't give any update from my side since I've been pretty much solidly away for the last two weeks, mostly been out of town working on some of our projects.
[09:08] <highvoltage> who else is here for Edubuntu meeting? pygi, sbalneav, LaserJock, rodarvus?
[09:08] <stgraber> me
[09:08] <highvoltage> stgraber: great!
[09:09] <LaserJock> I'm here
[09:09] <highvoltage> the big stars of the show can't be here, as sbalneav pointed out in #edubuntu. ogra and RichEd are traveling.
[09:10] <LaserJock> who's running the show?
[09:10] <highvoltage> not sure, I'm trying to get someone to jump up and direct :)
[09:10] <rodarvus> highvoltage, I'm not available (or barely, actually)
[09:10] <LaserJock> ok, lets start out with tech update then?
[09:11] <highvoltage> ok, there's no additional topics, and no member candidates.
[09:11] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ok
[09:11] <highvoltage> LaserJock: do you have updates for us?
[09:11] <highvoltage> ah, another one. yay!
[09:11] <willvdl> hi all, sorry I'm late
[09:11] <sbalneav> I have a couple, when it's my turn.
[09:11] <LaserJock> well, my spec for edubuntu menus is sitting in "Review"
[09:11] <highvoltage> LaserJock: shoot
[09:11] <LaserJock> but it looks like it should go pretty well
[09:12] <LaserJock> I'm able to get alacarte to play with my menus :-)
[09:13] <LaserJock> I just want to encourage everybody to look over the Feisty specs
[09:13] <highvoltage> kewl :)
[09:13] <highvoltage> LaserJock: link?
[09:13] <LaserJock> https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs generally
[09:13] <LaserJock> but he needs to add some
[09:13] <highvoltage> ok
[09:14] <LaserJock> sbalneav will no doubt talk about some of the coolest ones
[09:14] <sbalneav> phht
[09:14] <LaserJock> but of particular interest to me is Edubuntu on 2 CDs
[09:14] <highvoltage> heh
[09:14] <highvoltage> oh yes, that is quite interesting.
[09:14] <willvdl> can someone remind me what Pending Approval refers to?
[09:15] <sbalneav> Means it isn't an approved spec yet
[09:15] <LaserJock> that means it's ready for final approval by the tech board I beleve
[09:15] <highvoltage> willvdl: TB needs to give the final OK
[09:15] <willvdl> OK, I thought scp was approved
[09:16] <LaserJock> we have a "lets make SCP rock" spec
[09:16] <highvoltage> willvdl: sometimes something is approved, and then a problem comes up, and it's defered and it has to go through part of the process again
[09:16] <willvdl> ok, got it
[09:16] <LaserJock> the 2 CDs spec is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-on-two-cds
[09:17] <LaserJock> basically we are going to get a 2nd CD that will hold most of the educational stuff
[09:17] <LaserJock> and the 1st CD will have the base services stuff like LTSP, ldap, etc.
[09:18] <LaserJock> we'll need quite a bit of educational community help for that one
[09:18] <highvoltage> noted
[09:19] <LaserJock> so lots of goodies
[09:19] <LaserJock> I'll hand the mic over to sbalneav for ltsp, et. al
[09:19] <willvdl> cool
[09:19] <sbalneav> kthxomglolbbq
[09:19] <sbalneav> OK
[09:19] <nixternal> hello!
[09:19] <sbalneav> hey nixternal
[09:20] <highvoltage> hi nixternal 
[09:20] <nixternal> my sister came over to use my washer and dryer and brought my neice and nephew, aka the terroistas
[09:20] <sbalneav> So, good progress on ltsp-persistent-home, which oddly enough, merged into a temporary home spec, so go figure.
[09:20] <LaserJock> hah
[09:20] <sbalneav> Did more testing on the pam module, seems to work.
[09:20] <highvoltage> sbalneav: BBQ?
[09:21] <sbalneav> Sound: ogra packaged up pulse, I'm in the process of setting up a feisty box, so should have more to report on that next week.  Things look promising
[09:21] <highvoltage> sbalneav: do you know if we make any use of that script that was posted to the list?
[09:22] <highvoltage> what is pulse?
[09:22] <Burgwork> sbalneav: by temporary home, we are talking guest accounts?
[09:22] <sbalneav> Refresh my memory?  Which script?
[09:22] <Burgwork> highvoltage: sound server
[09:22] <sbalneav> Pulse audio, the new name for polypaudio
[09:23] <highvoltage> aaah, ok. I still know it by polyaudio.
[09:23] <sbalneav> Burgwork: yeah.  the pam_mkhomedir modules been hacked up to actually remove the home dir as well on logout, if configured accordingly
[09:23] <Burgwork> sbalneav: you rock
[09:24] <highvoltage> Burgwork: I would've said that to him, but I think he gets tired of hearing it all the time
[09:24] <sbalneav> fat-clients: we should be in a position to test that one next week.
[09:24] <sbalneav> Might be completed REAL soon :)
[09:24] <highvoltage> great.
[09:24] <willvdl> woot
[09:25] <highvoltage> sbalneav: sorry, fat clients with the ldap auth, or diskless fat clients?
[09:25] <sbalneav> And, as well, integration of ssh and xdmcp localdevice methods moves on apace.  inotify + xatoms = win.
[09:25] <sbalneav> highvoltage: for now, just the diskless fat client.  We'll add ldap auth once moquist gets a little farther along with his stuff.
[09:26] <highvoltage> sbalneav: ok, that's great, that's the most important part for me
[09:26] <Burgwork> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop/FastUserSwitching <-- this is also something interesting
[09:26] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I've had real headaches last week trying to enable local disk access with xdmcp
[09:26] <Burgwork> we should probably look at the for the scp stuff
[09:26] <sbalneav> So, that was my activity this week.
[09:26] <highvoltage> sbalneav: ended up using ltsp 4.2 in the end :/
[09:26] <sbalneav> highvoltage: it's impossible at the moment.  But I'll be fixing that shortly :)
[09:26] <highvoltage> anything else for technical?
[09:27] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I bow to your coolness
[09:27] <sbalneav> :)
[09:27] <LaserJock> well, I might bring up one technical/community thing
[09:27] <LaserJock> was kinda hoping ogra and RichEd were here
[09:28] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I gathered as much :/
[09:28] <LaserJock> but I was thinking about our development community
[09:28] <willvdl> shoot
[09:28] <highvoltage> cbx33 isn't here, I don't suppose there's any artwork issues/updates?
[09:28] <LaserJock> we've always had ogra as the super uber edu developer
[09:29] <LaserJock> but with so many specs and cool things we can see on the horizon with Edubuntu
[09:29] <willvdl> and hopefully will have more
[09:29] <nixternal> speaking of artwork, is there an artwork team for edubuntu as well?
[09:29] <LaserJock> I think it's important that we grow our development community
[09:29] <LaserJock> nixternal: yep
[09:29] <LaserJock> kinda
[09:29] <nixternal> ok, i figured the kinda part
[09:30] <willvdl> LaserJock, Jono Bacon at Canonical is working on a nice plan for revitalising LoCo
[09:30] <nixternal> if there are some packaging things to do for edubuntu, let me know, i am willing to help out there
[09:30] <sbalneav> Well, we've attracted Matt Oquist, and David Trask is coming on board, so that's going to help.
[09:30] <LaserJock> yes
[09:30] <nixternal> the handbook, is there still a management team for that?  i haven't heard anything status wise from it, and I have been messing around more with the layout and xslt stuff
[09:30] <LaserJock> so I see we have some people around
[09:31] <LaserJock> nixternal: maybe wait until the doc section of the meeting :-)
[09:31] <willvdl> nixternal, coming up
[09:31] <highvoltage> LaserJock: do you have suggestions? perhaps it should be an active targeted drive. ie, needs be identified, and then we lure in people who could meet those needs
[09:31] <nixternal> roger dodger
[09:31] <LaserJock> what I think maybe we need is some Roadmap or organization
[09:31] <LaserJock> so that people can start working on things
[09:31] <sbalneav> I have to pop out for 10 minutes or so... jammed printer here at work.  Save the handbook till when I get back.
[09:31] <willvdl> highvoltage, jono has an idea behind breaking down tasks into big one and bite size tasks
[09:32] <LaserJock> willvdl: exactly
[09:32] <willvdl> that way it more attractive for new members to slowly get involved
[09:32] <LaserJock> so while the guys at UDS come up with some really awesome specs
[09:32] <highvoltage> willvdl: that will be handy
[09:32] <willvdl> ... get motivated, learn the processes
[09:32] <willvdl> and build karma
[09:32] <highvoltage> sorry, under what topic are we now? community?
[09:32] <LaserJock> it can be difficult for people who didn't attend to get involved
[09:32] <willvdl> we spoke about it at AllHAnds
[09:32] <LaserJock> I'm still in Technical
[09:32] <LaserJock> but merging into community ;-)
[09:33] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ok
[09:33] <willvdl> LaserJock, that is why we need to lower the barrier to emtry for people to get involved
[09:33] <LaserJock> so I just wanted to kick it around
[09:33] <willvdl> I agree with you completely
[09:33] <LaserJock> willvdl: well, I'm not exactly sure that there is so much a barrier
[09:34] <LaserJock> as just not a lot of info
[09:34] <LaserJock> but we haven't traditionally needed a lot I don't think
[09:34] <willvdl> I dunno, sometimes it's hard to get involved in an ongoing process
[09:34] <LaserJock> we've mostly been Ubuntu+LTSP
[09:34] <willvdl> when the leader of that process can break down more "trivial" or external tasks
[09:35] <LaserJock> which requires a lot of technical skill and we've had that with ogra and sbalneav , etc.
[09:35] <LaserJock> but things like the Student Control Panel
[09:35] <willvdl> and now we'll be concentrating more on educational apps
[09:35] <LaserJock> Dynamic Menus
[09:35] <LaserJock> and the opprotunities with the 2nd CD
[09:36] <LaserJock> to add on the educational apps that will push Edubuntu into a really cool position
[09:36] <LaserJock> of having the best LTSP server platform
[09:36] <LaserJock> and the best selection of educational apps
[09:36] <LaserJock> all in a very easy and usable package
[09:36] <willvdl> all free/gratis/vir niks
[09:36] <LaserJock> yep
[09:36] <sbalneav> back
[09:37] <LaserJock> anyway, I wanted to kinda test the waters to see if there are people who want to get involved with this sort of thing
[09:37] <LaserJock> or even if it's needed
[09:38] <LaserJock> the idea being documenting a bit better our Edubuntu roadmap
[09:38] <LaserJock> and breaking up things into bite size chunks for people to work on
[09:38] <sbalneav> The big thing we've needed to attract to Edubuntu is actual educators, which we've got now with David Trask, so hopefully we'll start getting some good input from him, which will attract others.
[09:39] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm hopeful that RichEd's efforts of getting educators involved
[09:39] <LaserJock> combined with attracting more development power
[09:40] <LaserJock> with really create a infusion of creativity, inovation, and rockin' power
[09:40] <LaserJock> s/with/will/
[09:40] <LaserJock> bah, my spelling stinks
[09:40] <willvdl> the creation of ubuntu-education will certainly help
[09:40] <highvoltage> willvdl: how is that going, btw?
[09:41] <willvdl> well, as I understand it:
[09:41] <highvoltage> #ubuntu-education has been awfully quiet :(
[09:41] <sbalneav> We need to get serious about the handbook, and I'd like to make a suggestion when we get around to that part of the meeting.
[09:41] <willvdl> the website is getting tweaked to be in line with ubuntu
[09:41] <pygi> sbalneav: I agree, and I want to tell something when we come there
[09:41] <willvdl> and another "External" ubuntueducation.com website will emerge
[09:41] <willvdl> which is technically removed as such
[09:41] <willvdl> for educators specifically
[09:42] <stgraber> One thing we should really do is a easy to send form (maybe webbased) to know exactly what the teachers are currently using (their Windows environment, what features, what kind of software), what they do with Edubuntu, what's missing and what they would like to see in the next release
[09:42] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:42] <willvdl> on the ubuntueducation website we will have the freedom to explore such things
[09:43] <stgraber> then it will be easy to make the list of the packages we should include in the default desktop and for what age range
[09:46] <LaserJock> ok
[09:46] <willvdl> shall we move on
[09:46] <LaserJock> any Artwork?
[09:47] <willvdl> we spoke some time back of bulking up the artwork team
[09:47] <LaserJock> yeah, I think AliasVegas was probably a bit overwhelmed
[09:48] <LaserJock> I think she has plans for getting more of a community around it
[09:48] <willvdl> yeah, she would become a proj manager rather and run with contributions
[09:48] <LaserJock> so... Docs?
[09:49] <LaserJock> sbalneav and pygi : shoot!
[09:49] <pygi> LaserJock: ok, I wanna say just one thing for that
[09:49] <pygi> LaserJock: let sbalneav write, as I will have a lot to write about it this time...
[09:49] <sbalneav> umm, ok
[09:50] <sbalneav> I think one of the things we need to do is to start doing a weekly build of the handbook, say into a pdf, and posting it on the website.
[09:50] <LaserJock> hmm, good idea
[09:50] <sbalneav> We're getting some questions on the mailing list that could be answered by the handbook, and currently, it's not accessible.
[09:51] <LaserJock> yeah, proofreading and beta testing while helping people
[09:51] <willvdl> how do we handle docs (handbook) for seperate versions? LTS, edgy and feisty?
[09:51] <sbalneav> I think the thing to do would be to mark it as an "in progress work", and continue to release it.
[09:51] <LaserJock> ok, well this is how we do it in the Doc team
[09:51] <highvoltage> guys, I'm having trouble staying awake, (been long day), will catch up and take some notes tomorrow morning, goodnight!
[09:51] <sbalneav> Well, currently, afaik, there's just the one version of the handbook, for edgy.
[09:51] <LaserJock> we have our svn repo
[09:51] <pygi> sbalneav: and dapper
[09:51] <willvdl> ciao
[09:51] <sbalneav> gnight highvoltage
[09:52] <LaserJock> cya highvoltage 
[09:52] <LaserJock> from our svn repo we build the docs and put them on doc.ubuntu.com
[09:52] <highvoltage> gnight sbalneav and LaserJock!
[09:52] <stgraber> good night highvoltage 
[09:52] <highvoltage> and stgraber and pygi and willvdl  :)
[09:52] <LaserJock> once we come to a release, we move the stable/finished docs to help.ubuntu.com
[09:52] <willvdl> gnight
[09:52] <pygi> night highvoltage 
[09:53] <LaserJock> since technically the Handbook is in the doc team svn repo too it can be done the same
[09:53] <LaserJock> I'm not sure how often doc.ubuntu.com is updated (it used to be daily)
[09:53] <pygi> Since pre-Dapper time we had trouble finding contributors for the Handbook. It has appeared that a lot are interested, lot are applying for tasks, and they don't finish it. At the end me and Susas, with a bit of help from herman and pete were able to write it, and release it at dapper release date. We always had problems, but we managed somehow. What I'd suggest is a more coordinate route this time, so you can get it in time perfectl
[09:53] <pygi> y ready. Sadly, there is a 99% that I won't be here for you anymore, but you are welcome to mail me or contact me by any means if you need any outstanding help.
[09:53] <pygi> I truncated a lot, no time for writing, sorry
[09:54] <willvdl> RichEd, has asked me to take a proj manager role on docs
[09:55] <willvdl> what is the difference supposed to be between doc.u.c and help.u.c ?
[09:56] <LaserJock> help.u.c is the stable/released docs
[09:56] <LaserJock> doc.u.c is the "work in progress"
[09:56] <willvdl> is doc.u.c basically a svn snapshot?
[09:56] <LaserJock> yes
[09:57] <LaserJock> doc.u.c actually holds our svn repo
[09:57] <willvdl> got it, I think nixternal explained that to me but I forgot
[09:57] <LaserJock> so we just build it and place it in the /www
[09:57] <willvdl> anyhoo, I'm happy to take a higher level overview of it
[09:58] <willvdl> together with school advocacy and general marketing materials
[09:58] <LaserJock> anyway, I just brought it up as an example of how the doc team does it
[09:58] <LaserJock> and since the handbook already exists in the doc team repo it'd probably be pretty easy to include it
[09:58] <willvdl> thanks. will certainly not reinvent any wheels :)
[09:59] <LaserJock> there's already an Edubuntu section on doc.u.c
[09:59] <nixternal> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C
[09:59] <sbalneav> Well, the problem is edubuntu docs aren't being actively worked on in the main repo, but rather the digitalredneck repo
[10:00] <sbalneav> hence the suggestion for the weekly build from there.
[10:00] <nixternal> sbalneav: i have been taking the digitalredneck repo files and merging them with the doc repos, and fixing them so they build
[10:01] <sbalneav> have you pushed the fixes back to dr?
[10:01] <nixternal> yup
[10:01] <sbalneav> ok
[10:01] <willvdl> dr?
[10:01] <sbalneav> digital redneck
[10:01] <willvdl> ah, never ind
[10:01] <willvdl> :)
[10:02] <LaserJock> I think it would be good to transition over to the doc team repo at some point
[10:02] <LaserJock> our original idea was to use susan's repo until they go doc team svn access
[10:02] <Burgwork> we can get access, it is not hard
[10:03] <nixternal> i put in to get them access and never heard back
[10:03] <LaserJock> we might have to do some poking :-)
[10:03] <pygi> nixternal: only susan needs access atm I think ... 
[10:03] <willvdl> can do. shouldn't be a problem to get it in
[10:05] <LaserJock> so...
[10:06] <LaserJock> any more doc stuff?
[10:06] <pygi> nop
[10:06] <willvdl> just that we must try and get involved more with spreadubuntu
[10:06] <willvdl> will need to make some advcacy materials for it
[10:06] <LaserJock> ok
[10:07] <willvdl> merge edubuntu-marketing with ubuntu-marketing?
[10:07] <willvdl> no need to dilute that community...
[10:07] <willvdl> just a thought
[10:07] <LaserJock> willvdl: do you think you could write up a little doc/marketing TODO on the wiki?
[10:08] <LaserJock> just so people can follow a bit of what's going on and where we are heading?
[10:08] <willvdl> sure. I need to analyse in detail what ubuntu marketing does and what's deprecated
[10:08] <Burgwork> willvdl: ubuntu-marketing is explicitly also kubuntu- and xubuntu-
[10:08] <willvdl> exactly
[10:08] <Burgwork> as -doc is all as well
[10:08] <LaserJock> yep
[10:10] <LaserJock> ok, any more community stuff?
[10:11] <willvdl> not from me
[10:11] <willvdl> other than it is deffers time to publish a plan
[10:11] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:11] <LaserJock> my generally feeling is that it should be pretty easy to get on the Edubuntu wiki
[10:12] <LaserJock> and figure out where Edubuntu is going
[10:12] <LaserJock> and what bite-sized things need to be done right now
[10:12] <willvdl> yip. we need to clean out some stuff too
[10:12] <Burgwork> willvdl: I am busy right now, but lets talk about marketing Edubuntu soonish
[10:13] <willvdl> cool. now that AllHands is over and schools go on holiday :) might get some real work done
[10:13] <LaserJock> :-)
[10:13] <LaserJock> Ok, so lets all have a goal of having *something* to report at the next meeting :-)
[10:14] <willvdl> :] 
[10:14] <LaserJock> as long as we do that we are making progress :-)
[10:14] <stgraber> @schedule Zurich
[10:14] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 25 Nov 19:00: Xubuntu | 28 Nov 17:00: LoCo Team | 29 Nov 13:00: Edubuntu
[10:14] <LaserJock> ok, we ran a little late I think
[10:15] <LaserJock> anything more?
[10:15] <LaserJock> going once...
[10:15] <LaserJock> going twice...
[10:15] <LaserJock> Thanks for coming everybody, it was a great meeting 
[10:16] <LaserJock> [10:16] <willvdl> thanks folks.
[10:16] <willvdl> ciao
[10:21] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ogra is away at the moment?
[10:22] <LaserJock> yes
[10:22] <LaserJock> he and RichEd are on a train to Poland
[10:22] <LaserJock> and yet another conference
[10:22] <ajmitch> ah
[10:22] <stgraber> the conferences month :)
[10:22] <ajmitch> I'll catch him later about the network auth client stuff
[10:38] <sivang> LaserJock: an edubuntu conference ?
[10:39] <LaserJock> it's educational
[10:39] <sivang> that's good :)
[10:39] <LaserJock> but not edubuntu specific
[10:39] <LaserJock> we'll have more of an edubuntu conference at the next UDS
[11:18] <poningru> !schedule EST
[11:18] <poningru> @schedule EST
[11:18] <Ubugtu> Schedule for EST: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 25 Nov 13:00: Xubuntu | 28 Nov 11:00: LoCo Team | 29 Nov 07:00: Edubuntu
[11:19] <poningru> or not...