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| Jucato | moin Hobbsee && Hobbsee|1emote | 01:26 |
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| Hobbsee_ | thanks to whoever fixed my multimedia keys! | 01:32 |
| Hobbsee|1emote | hey Jucato | 01:32 |
| Jucato | lol | 01:33 |
| === Hobbsee|1emote wonders why that didnt come up on her local client | ||
| Jucato | which Hobbsee do I talk to? :) | 01:33 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: whichever. this one | 01:33 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: the other is in a screen session on stevenk's computer, so... | 01:33 |
| Jucato | ah | 01:33 |
| Hobbsee | most of the time, i'm not there | 01:34 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: getting kernel panic in feisty using 2.6.19-6-generic kernel. normal? known? or I'm just screwed up? | 01:34 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i dont know about it, more info required. | 01:34 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: what'd the /var/log/syslog say about it? | 01:34 |
| Jucato | er... lol forgot to check :) | 01:35 |
| === Hobbsee only got kernel panics with one application | ||
| Jucato | it's on VMWare btw | 01:35 |
| Hobbsee | it was something i was testing... | 01:35 |
| Jucato | (if that matters) | 01:35 |
| Hobbsee | ahh - bit hard to mount hte drive on that basis, probably | 01:35 |
| Jucato | hm... but the 2.6.17 kernel works fine... it's the only one I can use right now in feisty... | 01:36 |
| Hobbsee | i dont know if it supports vmware - no idea | 01:37 |
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| Jucato | oh ok :) | 01:37 |
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| Jucato | Hobbsee: lol! now it works... | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: :) | 01:45 |
| Jucato | after, around 7 tries, it finally boots into the feisty kernel :) | 01:46 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 01:46 |
| freeflying | morning all | 01:49 |
| Jucato | morning freeflying | 01:49 |
| Hobbsee | hey freeflying! | 01:50 |
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| DaSkreech | Hiya | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | heya | 02:05 |
| DaSkreech | What were you getting to kernel panic? | 02:12 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: dont' know anymore... coz for some strange reason, after the nth try, it works | 02:13 |
| DaSkreech | Hm msounds like my installation of sawfish | 02:13 |
| DaSkreech | whats the deal with propietary drivers by default? | 02:20 |
| DaSkreech | does that mean really really really easy enable of them or if they are detected at install they are installed? | 02:20 |
| apokryphos | there's a spec about it | 02:20 |
| apokryphos | the latter | 02:20 |
| apokryphos | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/accelerated-x | 02:21 |
| DaSkreech | Man that's depressing :( | 02:21 |
| Jucato | ... :( | 02:22 |
| apokryphos | it's pretty much necessary for them to get beryl/compiz in by default on the widerscale | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | hey apokryphos | 02:23 |
| apokryphos | hiya Hobbsee | 02:23 |
| DaSkreech | I'd so much rather a really easy button? | 02:23 |
| DaSkreech | It's feels so much like giving up | 02:23 |
| Jucato | ditto DaSkreech | 02:23 |
| Jucato | I'd rather they develop someway to make the installation of drivers and beryl easy and painless | 02:24 |
| DaSkreech | Isn't this in direct contravention to the Ubuntu phiosphy? | 02:25 |
| DaSkreech | I can see people carving up the Ubuntu=MS stamps now | 02:25 |
| Jucato | not according to sabdfl | 02:25 |
| apokryphos | not entirely. They've said from the beginning that they'd include proprietary things when it's "practical" | 02:25 |
| DaSkreech | I'm not sure bling bling is practical in a OS or a general life sense | 02:26 |
| Jucato | and the commitment/philosophy is to provide a free OS. it's still free, although not in the FSF sense of the term | 02:26 |
| apokryphos | DaSkreech: in truth they're not doing much new by doing this now. The GPL is also not violated because of the way things are set up (SLA security, etc) | 02:26 |
| DaSkreech | Then why can't Korroa ship? | 02:26 |
| DaSkreech | (spelling is wrong) | 02:27 |
| apokryphos | Ubuntu's going to, like Novell, through the reproduction burden onto the user | 02:28 |
| apokryphos | *throw | 02:28 |
| apokryphos | but again, that's not new. That's exactly how nvidia-glx works right now | 02:28 |
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| DaSkreech | Konvi krashed | 02:34 |
| Jucato | ouch | 02:34 |
| DaSkreech | apokryphos: Sorry you were saying? | 02:34 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: Naw History is a great thing :) | 02:34 |
| DaSkreech | What reproduction burden? | 02:39 |
| seele | wow, lots of feedback about grub | 03:15 |
| seele | people must really want a tool to configure it :) | 03:15 |
| Jucato | :) | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | hey seele! | 03:16 |
| seele | hihi | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | seele: is there any feedback you still need? | 03:17 |
| Jucato | seele: in your blog post? | 03:17 |
| seele | Hobbsee: i havnt had time to go through all the comments yet, but if you have something to say, feel free :) | 03:17 |
| seele | Jucato: ja | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | seele: neither have i, hence i probably dont have things to say :P | 03:17 |
| Jucato | ah nice. I read the post... didn't read the responses :) | 03:17 |
| Jucato | afaik, Mandriva/PCLOS has a nice (a.k.a. working) GRUB GUI editor | 03:19 |
| imbrandon | moins Jucato , seele , and Hobbsee ! | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | hey imbrandon! | 03:26 |
| Jucato | hi imbrandon@ | 03:26 |
| Jucato | er.. s/@/! | 03:26 |
| imbrandon | seele: yea they really do, there ahev been requests for a LONG time for it | 03:27 |
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| Jucato | GRUB eye candy... :) | 03:27 |
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| Hawkwind | w00t, Feisty is now installed and running :) | 03:45 |
| Hobbsee | yay :) | 03:49 |
| === Hobbsee ntoes that there are a lot of bugs in kdebase | ||
| jdong | and speaking of a lot of bugs | 03:51 |
| jdong | (j/k) | 03:51 |
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| Hobbsee | :P | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: is there any plans to switch back to using media:/ instead of /media/ ? | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | media:/ seems to be working for more people, looking at these bug reports | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | that being said, i like how /media/ is taking the drive names, instead of just how big they are, as media:/ does | 03:54 |
| robotgeek | i hate media:/ as it did not work in nonkde apps, how is that handled now? | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | robotgeek: i'm not sure. that's a point. then i guess that they use /media/ | 03:58 |
| robotgeek | Hobbsee: yeah, it blows to have a save dialog and it not working | 03:59 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: no there isnt plans to go back | 04:14 |
| Hobbsee | right | 04:14 |
| imbrandon | robotgeek: yea that was the main reason for it , because it breaks no kde apps | 04:15 |
| robotgeek | it is very frustrating, cause you can see the damn thing there, but not save it! | 04:15 |
| crimsun | fools shouldn't be using non-kde apps nohow. | 04:16 |
| imbrandon | yup, thus media:/ is gone ( only from kde3 for us ) but kde4 wont have it at all | 04:16 |
| robotgeek | crimsun: i use firefox when konqueror does not render properly | 04:16 |
| crimsun | ('twas a joke if you couldn't tell by the syntax ;) | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | crimsun: heheh | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | robotgeek: i thought you just booted into OSX when it dident work ( just kidding ) | 04:17 |
| robotgeek | imbrandon: no, i dont ever boot into OS X anymore, just run it from withing linux | 04:18 |
| imbrandon | :) | 04:18 |
| imbrandon | ugh phone again | 04:18 |
| imbrandon | brb | 04:18 |
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| lengau | Hi | 07:13 |
| lengau | Does anyone know where to go to request packages for future releases? | 07:15 |
| nixternal | lengau: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates | 07:23 |
| lengau | nixternal: Thanks. I've been looking all night, but it never dawned on me to check the obvious place :) | 07:23 |
| === Jucato wonders why dekorator 0.3 never made it to Edgy... | ||
| nixternal | hehe | 07:27 |
| nixternal | no problem | 07:27 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: because no one packaged it, probably | 07:33 |
| Jucato | aw... not popular enough? :) | 07:33 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: is the Ubuntu Packaging Guide the recommended way to compile from source and build packages? (alternative to make install/checkinstall?) | 07:34 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: for private use, or to go into repos? | 07:35 |
| Jucato | both :) | 07:35 |
| Hobbsee | the former | 07:35 |
| Jucato | ok. I'll read it in my free time :) | 07:36 |
| === Jucato wishes his phone could read docbooks too... | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 07:36 |
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| crimsun | c'mon, you can be insane like the rest of us! | 09:48 |
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| nixternal | oh well, no sleep for me i guess | 09:51 |
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| crimsun | eh? S.O. not recovered from your last cooked meal? | 09:51 |
| nixternal | xS.O. ;) | 09:51 |
| crimsun | I hope I'm not shoving my foot in my mouth | 09:52 |
| nixternal | ahh the family pooch might have just started her journey to a better place | 09:52 |
| crimsun | oh, right | 09:52 |
| nixternal | right as I was heading up, i heard the old man freaking out yelling the dogs name | 09:52 |
| nixternal | he took off for the animal hospital | 09:53 |
| crimsun | hope she's in less pain, then | 09:54 |
| nixternal | ya, me too | 09:54 |
| nixternal | i was holding her while he got his stuff ready and she started to convulse..that was enough for me..im a weakling to that stuff | 09:54 |
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| Enola_Gay | hi all | 11:00 |
| Enola_Gay | Does anyone know why klik isn't integrated in Kubuntu? | 11:00 |
| Enola_Gay | Or at least in the repository? | 11:00 |
| Riddell | security and technical issues | 11:02 |
| Enola_Gay | Riddell: ok, thanks | 11:03 |
| Enola_Gay | cu | 11:06 |
| Jucato | oh cool, the python-sip4 problem seems to be fixed already :) | 11:07 |
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| Riddell | Jucato: well, one of them | 11:15 |
| Jucato | :) | 11:15 |
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| Jucato | the current version of KOffice in fesity is 1.5.2? | 11:47 |
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| Riddell | yes, I uploaded 1.6.0 but it failed and I'm not fixing it since I'm working on 1.6.1 now | 11:49 |
| Jucato | ah cool 1.6.1 :) | 11:50 |
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| Tonio__ | hi | 12:44 |
| Hobbsee | hey Tonio__ | 12:44 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: just saw your comments on jabbin.... I'll have a look at the qca-tls, but that looks like optional stuff... | 12:44 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: and concerning dolphin I missed that it was in debian (wasn't when I did the package in fact) | 12:45 |
| mhb | hi all | 12:45 |
| Hobbsee | hey mhb! | 12:45 |
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| MidMark | guys there is a big problem in usb storage management in kubuntu | 12:49 |
| MidMark | if you umount a pen drive that has still some writing data in cache the icon in kde disappears before it finish to write to the usb storage | 12:49 |
| MidMark | a person think that can take off the usb but will destroy for certain data | 12:50 |
| MidMark | is it known? | 12:50 |
| Tonio__ | MidMark: yes | 12:51 |
| Tonio__ | MidMark: I don't know if the issue is in our patches or in kde but that's a known issue | 12:51 |
| MidMark | this doesn't occur with Dapper | 12:51 |
| MidMark | Tonio__: is already reported in launchpad? number? | 12:52 |
| Tonio__ | MidMark: I don't know for launchpad, but that is known and already discussed here | 12:52 |
| MidMark | ok, it's a pitty, every release of Kubuntu has a dozens of critical bugs unresolved... | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee|Remote | Tonio__: it's reported in launchpad, too | 12:54 |
| Hobbsee | MidMark: feel free to start fixing | 12:54 |
| MidMark | I think 6 month cycle (4 for Edgy) it's a little too fast cycle, produce cutting edge | 12:54 |
| Tonio__ | Hobbsee hope you know the bug id :) | 12:54 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio__: i can find it, in a sec | 12:54 |
| MidMark | Hobbsee: I'm a bug report and bug fuzz, take a look to my bug reported list | 12:55 |
| MidMark | this take time too | 12:55 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio__: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946 | 12:55 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "umount progress dialog missing in Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 12:55 |
| Hobbsee | various other umount stuff broken as well | 12:55 |
| Tonio__ | yep this one :) | 12:55 |
| Tonio__ | hum it looks like I packaged jabbin and dilphin too fast hehe :) | 12:56 |
| === Hobbsee notes taht she's been bitten by that | ||
| mhb | it's probably known that the documentation (k-d-g, release notes) in Edgy is only in English ... is it planned to fix it in an update? | 12:57 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: do they have translations for it in rosetta? | 12:57 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: 100%. it's just not in Edgy help center | 12:58 |
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| mhb | Hobbsee: it was translated before the deadline, but somehow it hasn't been included in Edgy | 12:58 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: ah right. *pokes nixternal* | 12:59 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: absolutely no idea why, i dont tend to deal in translations | 01:00 |
| mhb | I think it was mentioned somewhere, but I don't know any LP bug number | 01:00 |
| Hobbsee | it's probably in the great lot of kdebase. | 01:00 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: I know it's neither your area of expertise nor your fault .o) | 01:02 |
| mhb | I'll wait for nixternal probably | 01:02 |
| Hobbsee | MidMark: i cant search for your reported bugs, if you didnt give a LP ID | 01:04 |
| MidMark | Hobbsee: ah sorry I'm Cimmo on launchpad | 01:04 |
| Hobbsee | ah, which is why i wouldnt have guessed | 01:05 |
| MidMark | s/Cimmo/cimmo | 01:05 |
| MidMark | also I'm a vast list of subscribed ones | 01:05 |
| === Hobbsee looks at this merge | ||
| Tonio__ | Riddell: concerning jabbin and libqca, that looks like optionnal feature and isn't a compilation option, so it probably should be recommended and not be set as a dependancy right ? | 01:09 |
| Jucato | Tonio__: will kpkgmanager be in your repo soon? I'll be glad to test it on feisty :) | 01:10 |
| Tonio__ | Jucato: bah it was rediscussed.... | 01:10 |
| Tonio__ | Jucato: it looks like unmaintained for a year in fact | 01:10 |
| Jucato | aw.. :( | 01:10 |
| Tonio__ | so we will probably not spend time on this | 01:10 |
| Jucato | oh well, more time to focus on Adept, eh? :) | 01:11 |
| Tonio__ | Jucato: yes... ;) | 01:11 |
| === Jucato thinks he saw mornfall in here yesterday | ||
| workmorn | what? | 01:13 |
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| workmorn | i'll release 2.2 when it's ready | 01:13 |
| Jucato | hi workmorn/mornfall :) | 01:14 |
| workmorn | afternoon | 01:14 |
| Tonio__ | workmorn: bah in fact we were comparing the functionnalities of kpkgmanager to adept, and it was interesting to get kpkgmanager in the repos too | 01:15 |
| workmorn | what's kpkgmanager | 01:15 |
| === workmorn looks | ||
| Tonio__ | workmorn: but as it is unmaintained, there is probably no interest to put that in, even universe | 01:15 |
| Tonio__ | workmorn: a simple component that can be installed and used with kio-apt | 01:16 |
| workmorn | ah ok, so it's the one i have seen | 01:16 |
| Tonio__ | workmorn: it is efficient and works well, but is unmaintained | 01:16 |
| Tonio__ | but the idea is pretty good | 01:16 |
| Tonio__ | workmorn: are you aware we tested the debconf/qt thing ? it works well :) | 01:19 |
| workmorn | which debconf/qt thing? :) | 01:19 |
| Tonio__ | the only thing is that it would be nice if the env variable to make debconf use "kde" was set be adept when launched | 01:19 |
| workmorn | you know, it is :) | 01:20 |
| Tonio__ | workmorn: ah ? in the wip stuff ? | 01:20 |
| workmorn | no, in released version | 01:20 |
| Tonio__ | workmorn: hehe is it in edgy ? | 01:21 |
| Tonio__ | s/edgy/feisty ? | 01:21 |
| workmorn | if (cache::Global::get().packages() | 01:21 |
| workmorn | .packageByName( "libqt-perl" ).isInstalled()) | 01:21 |
| workmorn | putenv( "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=kde" ); | 01:21 |
| Tonio__ | we had to dpkg-reconfigure debconf to get it to work when testing | 01:21 |
| Tonio__ | workmorn: hehe cool | 01:21 |
| workmorn | Tonio__: it's there since dapper or so | 01:21 |
| workmorn | unless you changed name of libqt-perl somehow :) | 01:22 |
| Tonio__ | workmorn: hum, I'll look at that since it didn't ork for us, even with libqt-perl installed | 01:22 |
| workmorn | Tonio__: it doesn't work because kdesu borks xauth | 01:23 |
| workmorn | Tonio__: or that was the case last time i checked | 01:23 |
| Tonio__ | workmorn: hum yes maybe | 01:23 |
| Tonio__ | I think we had to perform an xhost+ | 01:23 |
| Tonio__ | if my remembering is correct | 01:23 |
| Tonio__ | workmorn: let me test ;) | 01:24 |
| workmorn | xhost + EWW | 01:24 |
| Tonio__ | workmorn: confirmed, that doesn't work due to kdesu | 01:25 |
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| workmorn | Tonio__: i think it worked in debian, so it was sudo related, but it probably won't work these days anyways | 01:26 |
| workmorn | no matter | 01:26 |
| Tonio__ | workmorn: interesting | 01:26 |
| Tonio__ | workmorn: well we'll rediscuss thislater, we have time to get that in | 01:26 |
| workmorn | i had it definitely tested, so who knows :) | 01:26 |
| Riddell | Tonio__: if it's a compilation option it should be a build-dep most likely | 01:27 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: it is "not" a compilation option | 01:27 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: and that's not required for jabbin to work | 01:27 |
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| Tonio__ | Riddell: it is used as a "plugin" in fact | 01:27 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: so should be recommended eventually, but not a dep or builddep | 01:28 |
| Riddell | ah, so yes recommended sounds right | 01:28 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: this is the reason I didn't put that as a builddep | 01:28 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: concerning the amd64 issue........ I cannot test unfortunately | 01:28 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: I'll correct all I can, unsure it builds on i386 and reupload | 01:28 |
| Riddell | I'll try it on my powerpc and see what happens | 01:29 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: okay ;) | 01:29 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: concerning the licence, it is one of those stupid copy/paste with klipper ;) sometimes it doesn't take the last copied thing as the clipboard | 01:30 |
| Tonio__ | and concerning dolphin, it wasn't in debian when I did the package, but now of course I'll request for a sync | 01:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay ftbfs on i386 aswell now | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it worked 2 weeks ago :) | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | lib version issue or something, I'll have a look at this | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll also check at qt-x11-free-dbg today | 01:34 |
| gnomefreak | Tonio_: did you remove kpkgmanager from your repo? | 01:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the "letters with combinason" doesn't work anymore (again !) | 01:35 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: yep | 01:35 |
| gnomefreak | ah ok | 01:35 |
| Tonio_ | ^e i | 01:35 |
| Tonio_ | :'( | 01:35 |
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| Tonio_ | hum the issue is xorg this time.... | 01:51 |
| Tonio_ | not qt-x11 | 01:51 |
| Riddell | what issue? | 01:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: combinason keys don't work | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ^e e ^o | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: fails in a tty even after a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I fixed that error in edgy in qt-x11-free package, but the problem looks like related to X this time | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | and don't tell me "use english keyboard !" ^^ | 01:56 |
| Riddell | keyboard layout is an X issue | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | yes but in edgy the issue was with the qt-x11 package, I just had to sync with debian to resolve the issue... | 01:59 |
| Tonio_ | not this time | 01:59 |
| Tonio_ | I have to quit for 15 minutes (electricity down) | 01:59 |
| gnomefreak | Riddell: ty for the python-qt fix ;) | 02:09 |
| Riddell | mmm, now I need to work out how to fix pyqt3 and pykde | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 02:12 |
| Hobbsee | need my long pointy stick to help with that? | 02:12 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: how's it broken? | 02:12 |
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| Jucato | ooh jpatrick | 02:12 |
| Hobbsee | hey jpatrick! LTNS! | 02:12 |
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| jpatrick | hi Jucato | 02:13 |
| Jucato | ooh LTNS.. :) | 02:13 |
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| jpatrick | Hobbsee: yeah, I've got mately with the kubuntu-es dudes again | 02:14 |
| Hobbsee | fun :) | 02:14 |
| jpatrick | I wonder... Riddell: ping | 02:14 |
| Riddell | hi jpatrick | 02:14 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: Hi again, the guys at kubuntu-es.org are asking me if it were possible to get the subdomain of es.kubuntu.org | 02:15 |
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| Riddell | what for? you already have kubuntu-es.org | 02:16 |
| Riddell | which seems to redirect to some other random domain | 02:16 |
| jpatrick | they say "to look like we're closer to the official kubuntu" | 02:17 |
| jpatrick | yeah, tmp hot | 02:17 |
| jpatrick | host* | 02:17 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 02:17 |
| Riddell | doesn't canonical host that site now? | 02:18 |
| jpatrick | we're in the process of moving (right now) | 02:18 |
| Riddell | moving to canonical? | 02:18 |
| Jucato | doesn't kubuntu-es.org follow the LoCo naming policy more closely than es.kubuntu.org? | 02:18 |
| jpatrick | a canonical server | 02:18 |
| Riddell | I think canonical has a policy of giving out the -xx.org domains which presumably means they don't do xx.foo.org domains | 02:19 |
| jpatrick | ok, I'll tell them that | 02:19 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: by the way have you tested hwdb-kde with the new pyqt4? | 02:21 |
| gnomefreak | Riddell: no im just now installing kubuntu-desktop | 02:21 |
| Riddell | let me know if it actually works | 02:22 |
| gnomefreak | i will look at it as soon as the downloading/installing it done | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: seems to work. | 02:23 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: the hardware testing database, where it tests for sound and display and all that, right? | 02:23 |
| Hobbsee | it's working | 02:23 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: yes, great, thanks :) | 02:24 |
| Jucato | working here, too :) | 02:24 |
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| Jucato | lol said that too when I ran hwdb on Edgy a while ago | 02:25 |
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| Tonio_ | re | 02:34 |
| Jucato | will edgy-commercial have packages? | 02:34 |
| Riddell | not sure | 02:36 |
| Riddell | seems logical that it should but i | 02:36 |
| Riddell | if it doesn't have anything at the moment, I guess not | 02:36 |
| Jucato | ah | 02:38 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm starting to merge (all the day) | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no problem if I do adept ? | 02:42 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I'm working on pyqt and pykde | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay | 02:42 |
| Riddell | not at all, go ahead | 02:42 |
| Riddell | ping here when you start working on something so we don't duplicate stuff | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's what I wanted to do indeed | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: second thing will be kdebindings, I'll try to fix the build issue on feisty | 02:43 |
| Riddell | good luck :) | 02:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hehe, yeah I know :) | 02:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning guidance, I'll probably build from svn instead of syc with debian, that's the way we usually do | 02:47 |
| Riddell | sync the packaging with debian | 02:49 |
| Jucato | speaking of guidance... doesn't the description (and System Settings) probably need to be updated to include mention of the wineconfig module? | 02:49 |
| Riddell | I didn't enable wineconfig because it had various issues | 02:51 |
| Riddell | for example it should be disabled if you don't have wine installed | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: can you confirm https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/73003 ? | 02:52 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 73003 in kdepim "korganizer does not start from K Menu -> run dialog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 02:52 |
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| Jucato | Hobbsee: I think I already did | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | ah right | 02:52 |
| Jucato | er wait.. different bug | 02:52 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: that's a known bug | 02:54 |
| Riddell | oh | 02:54 |
| Jucato | it might be related to the other korganizer bug | 02:54 |
| Jucato | dang | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay I'll sync with debian then | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee|Remote: confirmed | 02:56 |
| Jucato | confirmed too | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee|Remote: same issue when clicking the systray icon, doesn't start | 02:56 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: that's bug 68341 | 02:56 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 68341 in kdepim "Korganizer icon in the System Tray doesn't start Korganizer" [Unknown,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68341 | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: okay I'll have a look toonight, after my merging day :) | 02:57 |
| Jucato | thanks! :) | 02:57 |
| Jucato | btw, hasn't that "KDEinit could not launch <appname>" been a bug for a long time? | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning guidance, I'll sync the packaging but what about the tarball ? Shouldn't I take it from svn as we usually do ? | 02:58 |
| Jucato | happens everytime I launch KInfoCenter through Katapult | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: hum confirmed too, can you post a launchpad bug plz ? | 02:58 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: ok. I'll try digging for a KDE bug report too | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: thanks | 02:59 |
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| Tonio_ | Jucato: concerning kinfocenter, that's a katapult issue, so please report the bug for katapult :) | 03:01 |
| Jucato | no, it happens in Alt+F2, also | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: ah | 03:02 |
| Jucato | might be related to the korganizer bug Hobbsee mentioned | 03:02 |
| Jucato | bug for kdelibs? | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: bug for kinfocenter then, it doesn't like to be launched without any parameter | 03:02 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: if you want, but it's quite fiddly to do (need to get all the translations out too) | 03:02 |
| Jucato | although in kinfocenter's case, it launches despite the error. in korganizer's case, it doesn't launch at all | 03:03 |
| Jucato | ok | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah I know but don't mind, I'm used to it, I already synced guidance several times | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | svn2dist is my friend :) | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: I would say an issue in the desktop file for kinfocenter | 03:04 |
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| Tonio_ | Jucato: just report the bug and I'll try to fix it | 03:04 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: sure thing :) | 03:05 |
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| Jucato | Tonio_: excuse me, what package should I select for the bug report? kdebase? (kinfocenter doesn't exist in Ubuntu) | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 03:14 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/73008 | 03:15 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 73008 in kdebase ""KDEInit could not launch 'kinfocenter'" when launching KInfoCenter from Katapult or Run Command" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 03:15 |
| Jucato | btw, both bugs about korganizer aren't present in Feisty | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: aren't ? | 03:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: just done kipi-plugins while adept is building, fyi | 03:19 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: yes. I can launch Korganizer from Alt+F2 normally, and the system tray icon behaves normally | 03:19 |
| morn|off | Tonio_: adept is still building? oh dear :) | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | morn|off: yes :'( | 03:20 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: going to change it to recommend graphicsmagick? | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum does it work with it ? I though it was still using imagemagick | 03:21 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes, but actually it'll need graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | so I may recommend both in fact | 03:22 |
| Riddell | I guess so, graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat | imagemagick | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | yep that's what I thought about :) | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | okay let's do that | 03:23 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: hum, the korganizer issue has been resolved somehow, I cannot reproduce it anymore | 03:29 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: in Edgy or in Feisty? | 03:30 |
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| Tonio_ | Jucato: feisty | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: but that didn't work a couple of days ago | 03:30 |
| Jucato | oh... | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | yes, maybe rebuilding kdelibs or kdebase in the last days fixed it somehow...... weird anyway | 03:30 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: any good news about qt-3.3.7? | 03:31 |
| Jucato | there were some kdepim updates a while ago | 03:31 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: yes but not in the past days when the issue has been resolved I think | 03:32 |
| Jucato | ah | 03:32 |
| Tonio_ | I don't remember seeing a kdepim upload (maybe I'm wrong btw) | 03:32 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: I've not had a chance to look at it yet, and I'm not sure I will be able to before I go away at the weekend | 03:33 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: it's strange, there shouldn't be anything changed | 03:33 |
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| freeflying_ | Riddell: :) it's really strange | 03:35 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: you could try recompiling it without the patch for visibility | 03:36 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: okay, I'll recompile it this weekend | 03:37 |
| fabo | Riddell, Tonio_ if you have time to upload icecc-monitor : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3515 | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: let me look | 03:48 |
| fabo | thks | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: is it waiting for debian or is that already i unstable ? | 03:50 |
| fabo | it's in etch/sid | 03:50 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: okay :) I'm revuing and uploading | 03:51 |
| Riddell | so it can just be synced rather than a separate upload? | 03:51 |
| fabo | right | 03:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: let me look at the changelog | 03:51 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: check it compiles and runs, then file a sync request | 03:51 |
| Tonio_ | yup no change.... can just be synced | 03:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah I'm doing this | 03:51 |
| fabo | on my recent upload to revu, all are sync except strig | 03:51 |
| fabo | i | 03:52 |
| Riddell | fabo: why not strigi? | 03:52 |
| fabo | Riddell: a minor linda fix requested by Hobbsee ;) | 03:53 |
| fabo | Tonio_: if you are motivated -> kbarcode and kscope to sync too | 03:54 |
| fabo | i'm reviewing kde-extras package right now for feisty ... | 03:54 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: later probably ;) | 03:55 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: I have a bunch of merges to perform today | 03:55 |
| fabo | k np ;) | 03:55 |
| fabo | kile FTBFS on feisty, while it build nicely on sid ... | 03:55 |
| fabo | i don't know why ... yet | 03:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: stupid question but wich package to post the bug for a sync request for a new package, not already in launchpad ? :) | 04:04 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: you can file bugs without a package | 04:04 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: hehe, okay, didn't knew since I never did this before, only for existing packages so... :) | 04:05 |
| Riddell | but if the package doesn't already exist, it should get sycned automatically | 04:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: in theory yes, but no idea when ? | 04:06 |
| Tonio_ | is that done for example every week or so ? | 04:06 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: not sure actually | 04:07 |
| Tonio_ | k | 04:07 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: the kdebindings issue is probably related to our libqt3-jni, still 3.5.4 | 05:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm trying to merge this and then kdebindings | 05:00 |
| Tonio_ | grmpf, nope it is the same source package hehe | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | grmpf | 05:01 |
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| fdoving | hmm.. anyone got any good suggestions on the FTBFS(powerpc,i386) kopete in feisty? https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/275832 | 05:28 |
| fdoving | sparc and amd64 are ok. | 05:29 |
| fdoving | same package builds fine in edgy. | 05:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I forgot kdebindings at the moment, I'm starting kdebluetooth (lots of changes there, might take a while | 05:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the interesting thing is that this version includes a passkey-agent for dbus | 05:32 |
| Tonio_ | we will not have to workarround now | 05:32 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: kdebindings has a new release out which uses a new bluetoothe library | 05:32 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: you'll need to ask dholbach if the gnome stuff can also use that new library version | 05:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah ? cool | 05:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the problem with kdebindings is that we have an external issue, since even the previously built version ftbfs now...... | 05:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kdebindings and kbluetooth ? I'm not sure to understand | 05:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: wheren't you talking about new bluez and kdebluetooth instead ? | 05:34 |
| Riddell | er, yes | 05:34 |
| Riddell | s/kdebindings/kdebluetooth/ | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | yes in fact gnome already uses this | 05:34 |
| Riddell | oh, sorted | 05:35 |
| Tonio_ | the passkey-agent is used with bluez/dbus | 05:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm just testing the debian package...... the problem is that the packaging is completly different (doesn't use cdbs anymore) | 05:35 |
| Tonio_ | I'll probably have to re-cdbs it | 05:35 |
| Tonio_ | but as the souces changed a lot, it'll take time to test all patches etc..... | 05:36 |
| Tonio_ | let go ! | 05:37 |
| fdoving | hmm.. does the package uploaded to edgy-proposed need a accept from the archive admins before it's buildt? | 05:39 |
| Riddell | fdoving: yes | 05:40 |
| fdoving | Riddell: ok. glad i'm not an archive-admin. I've poked them alot lately :) | 05:41 |
| Riddell | _Sime: any idea if pykde should work with python 2.5? I get a compile error | 05:45 |
| nixternal | yay, my feisty machine won't boot ;) | 05:46 |
| DaSkreech | Well someone promised in #ubuntu-devel they would break booting this week | 05:48 |
| DaSkreech | Guess they are a person of their word. Nice to know you can count on them | 05:48 |
| nixternal | haha right | 05:51 |
| nixternal | it is no biggy to me, as it is my test machine | 05:51 |
| nixternal | so i can always reinstall | 05:51 |
| nixternal | i need to start imaging that machine though..i would rather take 5 minutes instead of 1 getting it back | 05:52 |
| nixternal | s/1/1 hour | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, the new kdebluetooth debian package is an horrible mess (removed cdbs, conflict files with bluez-utils etc.......) | 05:52 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: don't use it then | 05:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll probably simply update the kubuntu package with new tarball and make it to work | 05:53 |
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| apokryphos | heh | 06:02 |
| jpatrick | I thought he was clay, not water | 06:03 |
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| Riddell | claydoh: ahem | 06:05 |
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| DaSkreech | Well he just got banned | 06:05 |
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| DaSkreech | yeah I figure. guess flooding gets muddy with him | 06:05 |
| jpatrick | DaSkreech: my point exactly | 06:06 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm giving a good clean to the kbluetooth package too since it is currently very messy (mixing cdbs and pure debhelper stuff etc.......) | 07:11 |
| Riddell | cool | 07:12 |
| Tonio_ | I just hope the dbus stuff works correctly | 07:14 |
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| _Sime | Riddell: what's up? | 08:27 |
| Riddell | _Sime: pykde doesn't like python 2.5 http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/pykde.text | 08:28 |
| _Sime | Riddell: which version of SIP? | 08:30 |
| _Sime | Riddell: I'm not sure if Jim has updated PyKDE for Python 2.5. | 08:31 |
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| Riddell | _Sime: sip 4.5 | 08:49 |
| _Sime | Riddell: I don't think Jim has updated PyKDE for Python 2.5. He has been very busy/quite lately. | 08:51 |
| Riddell | _Sime: right. I think the plan is to have 2.5 as default in feisty, but I'm not sure when that change will happen | 08:52 |
| _Sime | Riddell: the errors you've got there don't look fatal. | 08:54 |
| _Sime | Riddell: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-September/068944.html | 08:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum the latest kdebluetooth debian version doesn't use dbus in fact. I'm trying to package from svn instead, this was dholbach plan for feisty | 08:55 |
| Tonio_ | seems to be working nicelly since opensuse already uses this | 08:56 |
| _Sime | Riddell: if possible, it is best to get a fixed version from Jim. But it does look fixable without Jim's help. It is just a PITA. | 09:00 |
| _Sime | Riddell: some "int"s need to be replaced with "Py_ssize_t" in some of the hand written parts. | 09:01 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what's in svn that isn't in beta 2? | 09:01 |
| Riddell | _Sime: ok, I've posted to pykde so we'll see if Jim answers, and we can worry about it if the python2.5 switch comes without hearing from him | 09:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: there is another development branch | 09:02 |
| _Sime | Riddell: good. | 09:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/kdebluetooth-dbus-integration/ | 09:02 |
| Tonio_ | this one includes all the dbus stuff to work with bluez 3 | 09:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the beta2 debian uses version doesn't, and still needs to be patched to use kbluepin correctly (but it works too) | 09:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I finished the merge with beta2, but as dholbach plan was to use this new version instead, and as opensuse already uses it, I though it was probably better to work on that directly, and eventually submit the package to debian if it works | 09:03 |
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| Riddell | Mez: around? | 10:50 |
| Mez | for 10 mins | 10:50 |
| Mez | sup | 10:50 |
| Riddell | Mez: I'm looking at katapult | 10:51 |
| Riddell | it's all blurg | 10:51 |
| Mez | ... ? | 10:51 |
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| jdong | " | 10:52 |
| jdong | Noun, a small little known organ in the human body, located slightly medial and dorsal to the vermiform appendix, also referred to as the "love muffin." | 10:52 |
| Riddell | cool! | 10:52 |
| Riddell | but not what I ment | 10:53 |
| jdong | LOL | 10:53 |
| DaSkreech | Alt+spcae word:blug | 10:53 |
| Riddell | Mez: I can't see any difference in kubuntu_07_work_with_non_english.diff | 10:53 |
| Mez | Riddell, will tlak tomorrow | 10:53 |
| Riddell | infact it does add changes which are already in that file | 10:58 |
| Riddell | and the change to kubuntu_03_spellingcatalog.diff is already in kubuntu_07_work_with_non_english.diff | 11:00 |
| fdoving | diffs on diffs are nice :) | 11:02 |
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| fdoving | Riddell: can you please upload kopete to feisty? -> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/kopete/ - fixes ftbfs on ppc and x86. | 11:07 |
| Riddell | fdoving: sure, in a bit | 11:07 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: d'you know of a "good" howto type thing for merging? the one on the MOTU school wiki doesn't really explain much... | 11:14 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: download ubuntu package, download debian package | 11:15 |
| Riddell | check if the ubuntu changes are still needed, if they aren't file a sync request | 11:15 |
| Riddell | if they are port the ubuntu changes to the debian package | 11:16 |
| Riddell | voila | 11:16 |
| ryanakca | ok... and how will I know if they're still needed? kindof a "It is or it isn't" obvious type thing? | 11:16 |
| Riddell | you need to search through the changelog to find out what the changes are | 11:17 |
| Riddell | and decide if the reson for adding the change is still a good reason | 11:17 |
| Riddell | usually you want to keep the change unless it has been included in debian | 11:17 |
| ryanakca | and "port the ubuntu changes to the debian package"... that means copying the patches over? | 11:18 |
| Riddell | yes, if its a patch in debian/patches, or it might be a packaging change, e.g. a lot of packages have dh_iconcache added to their debian/rules file | 11:19 |
| ryanakca | kk | 11:20 |
| === ryanakca will start with a small, simple program :) | ||
| ryanakca | thanks :) | 11:21 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm merging koffice-i18n 1.6 | 11:25 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: don't | 11:26 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I have the 1.6.1 packages on my hard disk | 11:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay | 11:26 |
| Riddell | but it's not released yet | 11:26 |
| Tonio_ | hum should be removed of the merging list then :) | 11:26 |
| Tonio_ | perfect, I won't touch this and wait, ping me if you need testers | 11:26 |
| DaSkreech | Does ubiquity handle sata drives? | 11:27 |
| Riddell | deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/not-koffice-161/ edgy main | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: merging guidance packaging + sync from svn then | 11:27 |
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| Riddell | DaSkreech: the live CD does, I wouldn't be surprised if qtparted got confused | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | I just hope the new icons are on the svn | 11:27 |
| Riddell | they should be | 11:27 |
| DaSkreech | So qtparted would not be helpful in fixing the problem? | 11:29 |
| lnxkde | DaSkreech: sup? | 11:31 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: I don't know what your problem is | 11:32 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: can you peek in the main chan? | 11:32 |
| Riddell | main chan? | 11:32 |
| DaSkreech | #kubuntu | 11:33 |
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| fdoving | Riddell: there is a badly named patch in kdepim. attachment.cgi?id=17264&action=view | 11:56 |
| Riddell | fdoving: in fesity? | 11:57 |
| fdoving | Riddell: yes. | 11:57 |
| Riddell | that'll be my fault, but it won't cause any harm | 11:57 |
| fdoving | just FYI. | 11:57 |
| Riddell | thankks | 11:57 |
| Riddell | so, kopete | 11:57 |
| Riddell | where was that again? | 11:57 |
| fdoving | .. and i'm test-building with the kpilot fix. | 11:57 |
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| Riddell | ooh, good plan | 11:57 |
| fdoving | http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/kopete/ | 11:58 |
| Riddell | fdoving: where did you get the patch from? | 12:01 |
| fdoving | Riddell: debian package. | 12:01 |
| Riddell | clever debian :) | 12:01 |
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| fdoving | I don't have a palm, so i can't test, but uploading to feisty won't hurt, i guess? | 12:03 |
| Riddell | I think seaLne has a palm? | 12:04 |
| fdoving | I'll continue this tomorrow. have to sleep. | 12:06 |
| fdoving | bye. | 12:06 |
| Riddell | sleep well fdoving | 12:06 |
| Riddell | I'm compiling kopete now and I'll upload it when it's done | 12:06 |
| fdoving | thanks :) | 12:06 |
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