=== Dinofly [n=dinofly@vbo91-1-82-238-217-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:26] moin Hobbsee && Hobbsee|1emote === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:32] thanks to whoever fixed my multimedia keys! [01:32] hey Jucato [01:33] lol === Hobbsee|1emote wonders why that didnt come up on her local client [01:33] which Hobbsee do I talk to? :) [01:33] Jucato: whichever. this one [01:33] Jucato: the other is in a screen session on stevenk's computer, so... [01:33] ah [01:34] most of the time, i'm not there [01:34] Hobbsee: getting kernel panic in feisty using 2.6.19-6-generic kernel. normal? known? or I'm just screwed up? [01:34] Jucato: i dont know about it, more info required. [01:34] Jucato: what'd the /var/log/syslog say about it? [01:35] er... lol forgot to check :) === Hobbsee only got kernel panics with one application [01:35] it's on VMWare btw [01:35] it was something i was testing... [01:35] (if that matters) [01:35] ahh - bit hard to mount hte drive on that basis, probably [01:36] hm... but the 2.6.17 kernel works fine... it's the only one I can use right now in feisty... [01:37] i dont know if it supports vmware - no idea === Hobbsee|1emote is now known as Hobbsee|Remote [01:37] oh ok :) === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:45] Hobbsee: lol! now it works... [01:45] Jucato: :) [01:46] after, around 7 tries, it finally boots into the feisty kernel :) [01:46] hehe [01:49] morning all [01:49] morning freeflying [01:50] hey freeflying! === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.117.173] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:00] Hiya [02:05] heya [02:12] What were you getting to kernel panic? [02:13] DaSkreech: dont' know anymore... coz for some strange reason, after the nth try, it works [02:13] Hm msounds like my installation of sawfish [02:20] whats the deal with propietary drivers by default? [02:20] does that mean really really really easy enable of them or if they are detected at install they are installed? [02:20] there's a spec about it [02:20] the latter [02:21] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/accelerated-x [02:21] Man that's depressing :( [02:22] ... :( [02:22] it's pretty much necessary for them to get beryl/compiz in by default on the widerscale [02:23] hey apokryphos [02:23] hiya Hobbsee [02:23] I'd so much rather a really easy button? [02:23] It's feels so much like giving up [02:23] ditto DaSkreech [02:24] I'd rather they develop someway to make the installation of drivers and beryl easy and painless [02:25] Isn't this in direct contravention to the Ubuntu phiosphy? [02:25] I can see people carving up the Ubuntu=MS stamps now [02:25] not according to sabdfl [02:25] not entirely. They've said from the beginning that they'd include proprietary things when it's "practical" [02:26] I'm not sure bling bling is practical in a OS or a general life sense [02:26] and the commitment/philosophy is to provide a free OS. it's still free, although not in the FSF sense of the term [02:26] DaSkreech: in truth they're not doing much new by doing this now. The GPL is also not violated because of the way things are set up (SLA security, etc) [02:26] Then why can't Korroa ship? [02:27] (spelling is wrong) [02:28] Ubuntu's going to, like Novell, through the reproduction burden onto the user [02:28] *throw [02:28] but again, that's not new. That's exactly how nvidia-glx works right now === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0002-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:34] Konvi krashed [02:34] ouch [02:34] apokryphos: Sorry you were saying? [02:34] Jucato: Naw History is a great thing :) [02:39] What reproduction burden? [03:15] wow, lots of feedback about grub [03:15] people must really want a tool to configure it :) [03:16] :) [03:16] hey seele! [03:17] hihi [03:17] seele: is there any feedback you still need? [03:17] seele: in your blog post? [03:17] Hobbsee: i havnt had time to go through all the comments yet, but if you have something to say, feel free :) [03:17] Jucato: ja [03:17] seele: neither have i, hence i probably dont have things to say :P [03:17] ah nice. I read the post... didn't read the responses :) [03:19] afaik, Mandriva/PCLOS has a nice (a.k.a. working) GRUB GUI editor [03:26] moins Jucato , seele , and Hobbsee ! [03:26] hey imbrandon! [03:26] hi imbrandon@ [03:26] er.. s/@/! [03:27] seele: yea they really do, there ahev been requests for a LONG time for it === Jucato needs to take a very quick nap... just to let his asthma pass a bit... [03:27] GRUB eye candy... :) === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.49.221.40] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:45] w00t, Feisty is now installed and running :) [03:49] yay :) === Hobbsee ntoes that there are a lot of bugs in kdebase [03:51] and speaking of a lot of bugs [03:51] (j/k) === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-243-246-253.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:52] :P [03:53] Riddell: is there any plans to switch back to using media:/ instead of /media/ ? [03:54] media:/ seems to be working for more people, looking at these bug reports [03:54] that being said, i like how /media/ is taking the drive names, instead of just how big they are, as media:/ does [03:54] i hate media:/ as it did not work in nonkde apps, how is that handled now? [03:58] robotgeek: i'm not sure. that's a point. then i guess that they use /media/ [03:59] Hobbsee: yeah, it blows to have a save dialog and it not working [04:14] Hobbsee: no there isnt plans to go back [04:14] right [04:15] robotgeek: yea that was the main reason for it , because it breaks no kde apps [04:15] it is very frustrating, cause you can see the damn thing there, but not save it! [04:16] fools shouldn't be using non-kde apps nohow. [04:16] yup, thus media:/ is gone ( only from kde3 for us ) but kde4 wont have it at all [04:16] crimsun: i use firefox when konqueror does not render properly [04:17] ('twas a joke if you couldn't tell by the syntax ;) [04:17] crimsun: heheh [04:17] robotgeek: i thought you just booted into OSX when it dident work ( just kidding ) [04:18] imbrandon: no, i dont ever boot into OS X anymore, just run it from withing linux [04:18] :) [04:18] ugh phone again [04:18] brb === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.57.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.117.173] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.117.173] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato_ [n=jucato@210.213.192.2] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm10.omega19.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=user@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee is now known as Hobbsee|Remote === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lengau [n=lengau@c-68-53-53-39.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lengau [n=lengau@c-68-53-53-39.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:13] Hi [07:15] Does anyone know where to go to request packages for future releases? [07:23] lengau: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates [07:23] nixternal: Thanks. I've been looking all night, but it never dawned on me to check the obvious place :) === Jucato wonders why dekorator 0.3 never made it to Edgy... [07:27] hehe [07:27] no problem [07:33] Jucato: because no one packaged it, probably [07:33] aw... not popular enough? :) [07:34] Hobbsee: is the Ubuntu Packaging Guide the recommended way to compile from source and build packages? (alternative to make install/checkinstall?) [07:35] Jucato: for private use, or to go into repos? [07:35] both :) [07:35] the former [07:36] ok. I'll read it in my free time :) === Jucato wishes his phone could read docbooks too... [07:36] hehe === Jucato sees another picture of Quinn Storm in Melissa Draper's gallery === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.117.173] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mornfall|uni [n=mornfall@wireless-245.fi.muni.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nuku [n=nuku@unaffiliated/nuku] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez is half tempted to upgrade to feisty [09:48] c'mon, you can be insane like the rest of us! === marseillai_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-167-203.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.49.221.40] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:51] oh well, no sleep for me i guess === pascalFR [i=WMO6r3Bn@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:51] eh? S.O. not recovered from your last cooked meal? [09:51] xS.O. ;) [09:52] I hope I'm not shoving my foot in my mouth [09:52] ahh the family pooch might have just started her journey to a better place [09:52] oh, right [09:52] right as I was heading up, i heard the old man freaking out yelling the dogs name [09:53] he took off for the animal hospital [09:54] hope she's in less pain, then [09:54] ya, me too [09:54] i was holding her while he got his stuff ready and she started to convulse..that was enough for me..im a weakling to that stuff === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.117.173] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.117.173] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pinheirogtl [n=nuno@213.13.207.232] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Enola_Gay [n=enola@dslb-084-056-225-017.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:00] hi all [11:00] Does anyone know why klik isn't integrated in Kubuntu? [11:00] Or at least in the repository? [11:02] security and technical issues [11:03] Riddell: ok, thanks [11:06] cu [11:07] oh cool, the python-sip4 problem seems to be fixed already :) === workmorn [n=mornfall@redhat.usu.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:15] Jucato: well, one of them [11:15] :) === \sh_away is now known as \sh [11:47] the current version of KOffice in fesity is 1.5.2? === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:49] yes, I uploaded 1.6.0 but it failed and I'm not fixing it since I'm working on 1.6.1 now [11:50] ah cool 1.6.1 :) === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@vpnb219.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso is now known as jpetso_away === paddy [n=irc@HSI-KBW-085-216-045-131.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio__ [n=tonio@56.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:44] hi [12:44] hey Tonio__ [12:44] Riddell: just saw your comments on jabbin.... I'll have a look at the qca-tls, but that looks like optional stuff... [12:45] Riddell: and concerning dolphin I missed that it was in debian (wasn't when I did the package in fact) [12:45] hi all [12:45] hey mhb! === MidMark [n=marco@host-84-221-71-243.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:49] guys there is a big problem in usb storage management in kubuntu [12:49] if you umount a pen drive that has still some writing data in cache the icon in kde disappears before it finish to write to the usb storage [12:50] a person think that can take off the usb but will destroy for certain data [12:50] is it known? [12:51] MidMark: yes [12:51] MidMark: I don't know if the issue is in our patches or in kde but that's a known issue [12:51] this doesn't occur with Dapper [12:52] Tonio__: is already reported in launchpad? number? [12:52] MidMark: I don't know for launchpad, but that is known and already discussed here [12:53] ok, it's a pitty, every release of Kubuntu has a dozens of critical bugs unresolved... [12:54] Tonio__: it's reported in launchpad, too [12:54] MidMark: feel free to start fixing [12:54] I think 6 month cycle (4 for Edgy) it's a little too fast cycle, produce cutting edge [12:54] Hobbsee hope you know the bug id :) [12:54] Tonio__: i can find it, in a sec [12:55] Hobbsee: I'm a bug report and bug fuzz, take a look to my bug reported list [12:55] this take time too [12:55] Tonio__: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946 [12:55] Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "umount progress dialog missing in Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed] [12:55] various other umount stuff broken as well [12:55] yep this one :) [12:56] hum it looks like I packaged jabbin and dilphin too fast hehe :) === Hobbsee notes taht she's been bitten by that [12:57] it's probably known that the documentation (k-d-g, release notes) in Edgy is only in English ... is it planned to fix it in an update? [12:57] mhb: do they have translations for it in rosetta? [12:58] Hobbsee: 100%. it's just not in Edgy help center === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:58] Hobbsee: it was translated before the deadline, but somehow it hasn't been included in Edgy [12:59] mhb: ah right. *pokes nixternal* [01:00] mhb: absolutely no idea why, i dont tend to deal in translations [01:00] I think it was mentioned somewhere, but I don't know any LP bug number [01:00] it's probably in the great lot of kdebase. [01:02] Hobbsee: I know it's neither your area of expertise nor your fault .o) [01:02] I'll wait for nixternal probably [01:04] MidMark: i cant search for your reported bugs, if you didnt give a LP ID [01:04] Hobbsee: ah sorry I'm Cimmo on launchpad [01:05] ah, which is why i wouldnt have guessed [01:05] s/Cimmo/cimmo [01:05] also I'm a vast list of subscribed ones === Hobbsee looks at this merge [01:09] Riddell: concerning jabbin and libqca, that looks like optionnal feature and isn't a compilation option, so it probably should be recommended and not be set as a dependancy right ? [01:10] Tonio__: will kpkgmanager be in your repo soon? I'll be glad to test it on feisty :) [01:10] Jucato: bah it was rediscussed.... [01:10] Jucato: it looks like unmaintained for a year in fact [01:10] aw.. :( [01:10] so we will probably not spend time on this [01:11] oh well, more time to focus on Adept, eh? :) [01:11] Jucato: yes... ;) === Jucato thinks he saw mornfall in here yesterday [01:13] what? === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:13] i'll release 2.2 when it's ready [01:14] hi workmorn/mornfall :) [01:14] afternoon [01:15] workmorn: bah in fact we were comparing the functionnalities of kpkgmanager to adept, and it was interesting to get kpkgmanager in the repos too [01:15] what's kpkgmanager === workmorn looks [01:15] workmorn: but as it is unmaintained, there is probably no interest to put that in, even universe [01:16] workmorn: a simple component that can be installed and used with kio-apt [01:16] ah ok, so it's the one i have seen [01:16] workmorn: it is efficient and works well, but is unmaintained [01:16] but the idea is pretty good [01:19] workmorn: are you aware we tested the debconf/qt thing ? it works well :) [01:19] which debconf/qt thing? :) [01:19] the only thing is that it would be nice if the env variable to make debconf use "kde" was set be adept when launched [01:20] you know, it is :) [01:20] workmorn: ah ? in the wip stuff ? [01:20] no, in released version [01:21] workmorn: hehe is it in edgy ? [01:21] s/edgy/feisty ? [01:21] if (cache::Global::get().packages() [01:21] .packageByName( "libqt-perl" ).isInstalled()) [01:21] putenv( "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=kde" ); [01:21] we had to dpkg-reconfigure debconf to get it to work when testing [01:21] workmorn: hehe cool [01:21] Tonio__: it's there since dapper or so [01:22] unless you changed name of libqt-perl somehow :) [01:22] workmorn: hum, I'll look at that since it didn't ork for us, even with libqt-perl installed [01:23] Tonio__: it doesn't work because kdesu borks xauth [01:23] Tonio__: or that was the case last time i checked [01:23] workmorn: hum yes maybe [01:23] I think we had to perform an xhost+ [01:23] if my remembering is correct [01:24] workmorn: let me test ;) [01:24] xhost + EWW [01:25] workmorn: confirmed, that doesn't work due to kdesu === ingmar [n=ingmar@vpnc211.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:26] Tonio__: i think it worked in debian, so it was sudo related, but it probably won't work these days anyways [01:26] no matter [01:26] workmorn: interesting [01:26] workmorn: well we'll rediscuss thislater, we have time to get that in [01:26] i had it definitely tested, so who knows :) [01:27] Tonio__: if it's a compilation option it should be a build-dep most likely [01:27] Riddell: it is "not" a compilation option [01:27] Riddell: and that's not required for jabbin to work === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:27] Riddell: it is used as a "plugin" in fact [01:28] Riddell: so should be recommended eventually, but not a dep or builddep [01:28] ah, so yes recommended sounds right [01:28] Riddell: this is the reason I didn't put that as a builddep [01:28] Riddell: concerning the amd64 issue........ I cannot test unfortunately [01:28] Riddell: I'll correct all I can, unsure it builds on i386 and reupload [01:29] I'll try it on my powerpc and see what happens [01:29] Riddell: okay ;) [01:30] Riddell: concerning the licence, it is one of those stupid copy/paste with klipper ;) sometimes it doesn't take the last copied thing as the clipboard [01:30] and concerning dolphin, it wasn't in debian when I did the package, but now of course I'll request for a sync [01:32] Riddell: okay ftbfs on i386 aswell now [01:32] Riddell: it worked 2 weeks ago :) [01:32] lib version issue or something, I'll have a look at this [01:34] Riddell: I'll also check at qt-x11-free-dbg today [01:35] Tonio_: did you remove kpkgmanager from your repo? [01:35] Riddell: the "letters with combinason" doesn't work anymore (again !) [01:35] gnomefreak: yep [01:35] ah ok [01:35] ^e i [01:35] :'( === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ restart xorg === Tonio_ [n=tonio@56.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:51] hum the issue is xorg this time.... [01:51] not qt-x11 [01:52] what issue? [01:53] Riddell: combinason keys don't work [01:54] Riddell: ^e e ^o [01:54] Riddell: fails in a tty even after a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [01:55] Riddell: I fixed that error in edgy in qt-x11-free package, but the problem looks like related to X this time [01:56] and don't tell me "use english keyboard !" ^^ [01:58] keyboard layout is an X issue [01:59] yes but in edgy the issue was with the qt-x11 package, I just had to sync with debian to resolve the issue... [01:59] not this time [01:59] I have to quit for 15 minutes (electricity down) [02:09] Riddell: ty for the python-qt fix ;) [02:11] mmm, now I need to work out how to fix pyqt3 and pykde [02:12] heh [02:12] need my long pointy stick to help with that? [02:12] Riddell: how's it broken? === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:12] ooh jpatrick [02:12] hey jpatrick! LTNS! === Hobbsee tells gnucash to upload faster [02:13] hi Jucato [02:13] ooh LTNS.. :) === Jucato learns a new acronym [02:14] Hobbsee: yeah, I've got mately with the kubuntu-es dudes again [02:14] fun :) [02:14] I wonder... Riddell: ping [02:14] hi jpatrick [02:15] Riddell: Hi again, the guys at kubuntu-es.org are asking me if it were possible to get the subdomain of es.kubuntu.org === workmorn is now known as morn|off [02:16] what for? you already have kubuntu-es.org [02:16] which seems to redirect to some other random domain [02:17] they say "to look like we're closer to the official kubuntu" [02:17] yeah, tmp hot [02:17] host* [02:17] heh :) [02:18] doesn't canonical host that site now? [02:18] we're in the process of moving (right now) [02:18] moving to canonical? [02:18] doesn't kubuntu-es.org follow the LoCo naming policy more closely than es.kubuntu.org? [02:18] a canonical server [02:19] I think canonical has a policy of giving out the -xx.org domains which presumably means they don't do xx.foo.org domains [02:19] ok, I'll tell them that [02:21] gnomefreak: by the way have you tested hwdb-kde with the new pyqt4? [02:21] Riddell: no im just now installing kubuntu-desktop [02:22] let me know if it actually works [02:22] i will look at it as soon as the downloading/installing it done [02:23] Riddell: seems to work. [02:23] Riddell: the hardware testing database, where it tests for sound and display and all that, right? [02:23] it's working [02:24] Hobbsee: yes, great, thanks :) [02:24] working here, too :) === Hobbsee tells it that kubuntu did *not* detect the correct resolution [02:25] lol said that too when I ran hwdb on Edgy a while ago === MidMark [n=marco@host-84-221-196-4.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@158.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@158.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@vpnc250.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:34] re [02:34] will edgy-commercial have packages? [02:36] not sure [02:36] seems logical that it should but i [02:36] if it doesn't have anything at the moment, I guess not [02:38] ah === MidMark [n=marco@host-84-221-196-4.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:42] Riddell: I'm starting to merge (all the day) [02:42] Riddell: no problem if I do adept ? [02:42] Tonio_: I'm working on pyqt and pykde [02:42] Riddell: okay [02:42] not at all, go ahead [02:42] ping here when you start working on something so we don't duplicate stuff [02:43] Riddell: that's what I wanted to do indeed [02:43] Riddell: second thing will be kdebindings, I'll try to fix the build issue on feisty [02:46] good luck :) [02:47] Riddell: hehe, yeah I know :) [02:47] Riddell: concerning guidance, I'll probably build from svn instead of syc with debian, that's the way we usually do [02:49] sync the packaging with debian [02:49] speaking of guidance... doesn't the description (and System Settings) probably need to be updated to include mention of the wineconfig module? [02:51] I didn't enable wineconfig because it had various issues [02:51] for example it should be disabled if you don't have wine installed [02:52] Jucato: can you confirm https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/73003 ? [02:52] Malone bug 73003 in kdepim "korganizer does not start from K Menu -> run dialog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === Hobbsee doesnt have edgy here [02:52] Hobbsee: I think I already did [02:52] ah right [02:52] er wait.. different bug [02:54] Hobbsee: that's a known bug [02:54] oh [02:54] it might be related to the other korganizer bug [02:54] dang [02:55] Riddell: okay I'll sync with debian then [02:56] Hobbsee|Remote: confirmed [02:56] confirmed too [02:56] Hobbsee|Remote: same issue when clicking the systray icon, doesn't start [02:56] Tonio_: that's bug 68341 [02:56] Malone bug 68341 in kdepim "Korganizer icon in the System Tray doesn't start Korganizer" [Unknown,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68341 [02:57] Jucato: okay I'll have a look toonight, after my merging day :) [02:57] thanks! :) [02:57] btw, hasn't that "KDEinit could not launch " been a bug for a long time? [02:58] Riddell: concerning guidance, I'll sync the packaging but what about the tarball ? Shouldn't I take it from svn as we usually do ? [02:58] happens everytime I launch KInfoCenter through Katapult [02:58] Jucato: hum confirmed too, can you post a launchpad bug plz ? [02:59] Tonio_: ok. I'll try digging for a KDE bug report too [02:59] Jucato: thanks === Tonio_ misses his dualcore :'( adept is very long to build [03:01] Jucato: concerning kinfocenter, that's a katapult issue, so please report the bug for katapult :) [03:02] no, it happens in Alt+F2, also [03:02] Jucato: ah [03:02] might be related to the korganizer bug Hobbsee mentioned [03:02] bug for kdelibs? [03:02] Jucato: bug for kinfocenter then, it doesn't like to be launched without any parameter [03:02] Tonio_: if you want, but it's quite fiddly to do (need to get all the translations out too) [03:03] although in kinfocenter's case, it launches despite the error. in korganizer's case, it doesn't launch at all [03:03] ok [03:03] Riddell: yeah I know but don't mind, I'm used to it, I already synced guidance several times [03:03] svn2dist is my friend :) [03:04] Jucato: I would say an issue in the desktop file for kinfocenter === imbrandon [n=imbrando@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:04] Jucato: just report the bug and I'll try to fix it [03:05] Tonio_: sure thing :) === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0002-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:11] Tonio_: excuse me, what package should I select for the bug report? kdebase? (kinfocenter doesn't exist in Ubuntu) [03:14] yes [03:15] Tonio_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/73008 [03:15] Malone bug 73008 in kdebase ""KDEInit could not launch 'kinfocenter'" when launching KInfoCenter from Katapult or Run Command" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [03:18] btw, both bugs about korganizer aren't present in Feisty [03:19] Jucato: aren't ? [03:19] Riddell: just done kipi-plugins while adept is building, fyi [03:19] Tonio_: yes. I can launch Korganizer from Alt+F2 normally, and the system tray icon behaves normally [03:20] Tonio_: adept is still building? oh dear :) [03:20] morn|off: yes :'( [03:20] Tonio_: going to change it to recommend graphicsmagick? [03:21] Riddell: hum does it work with it ? I though it was still using imagemagick [03:21] Tonio_: yes, but actually it'll need graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat [03:22] so I may recommend both in fact [03:22] I guess so, graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat | imagemagick [03:22] yep that's what I thought about :) [03:23] okay let's do that [03:29] Jucato: hum, the korganizer issue has been resolved somehow, I cannot reproduce it anymore [03:30] Tonio_: in Edgy or in Feisty? === freeflying_ [n=Zhengpen@220.207.91.75] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:30] Jucato: feisty [03:30] Jucato: but that didn't work a couple of days ago [03:30] oh... [03:30] yes, maybe rebuilding kdelibs or kdebase in the last days fixed it somehow...... weird anyway [03:31] Riddell: any good news about qt-3.3.7? [03:31] there were some kdepim updates a while ago [03:32] Jucato: yes but not in the past days when the issue has been resolved I think [03:32] ah [03:32] I don't remember seeing a kdepim upload (maybe I'm wrong btw) [03:33] freeflying_: I've not had a chance to look at it yet, and I'm not sure I will be able to before I go away at the weekend [03:33] freeflying_: it's strange, there shouldn't be anything changed === apokryphos [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:35] Riddell: :) it's really strange [03:36] freeflying_: you could try recompiling it without the patch for visibility [03:37] Riddell: okay, I'll recompile it this weekend [03:48] Riddell, Tonio_ if you have time to upload icecc-monitor : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3515 [03:48] fabo: let me look [03:48] thks [03:50] fabo: is it waiting for debian or is that already i unstable ? [03:50] it's in etch/sid [03:51] fabo: okay :) I'm revuing and uploading [03:51] so it can just be synced rather than a separate upload? [03:51] right [03:51] Riddell: let me look at the changelog [03:51] Tonio_: check it compiles and runs, then file a sync request [03:51] yup no change.... can just be synced [03:51] Riddell: yeah I'm doing this [03:51] on my recent upload to revu, all are sync except strig [03:52] i [03:52] fabo: why not strigi? [03:53] Riddell: a minor linda fix requested by Hobbsee ;) [03:54] Tonio_: if you are motivated -> kbarcode and kscope to sync too [03:54] i'm reviewing kde-extras package right now for feisty ... [03:55] fabo: later probably ;) [03:55] fabo: I have a bunch of merges to perform today [03:55] k np ;) [03:55] kile FTBFS on feisty, while it build nicely on sid ... [03:56] i don't know why ... yet [04:04] Riddell: stupid question but wich package to post the bug for a sync request for a new package, not already in launchpad ? :) [04:04] Tonio_: you can file bugs without a package === ingmar [n=ingmar@vpnd082.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:05] Riddell: hehe, okay, didn't knew since I never did this before, only for existing packages so... :) [04:06] but if the package doesn't already exist, it should get sycned automatically [04:06] Riddell: in theory yes, but no idea when ? [04:06] is that done for example every week or so ? [04:07] Tonio_: not sure actually [04:07] k === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@vpnc084.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ merges kdebindings........ [05:00] Riddell: the kdebindings issue is probably related to our libqt3-jni, still 3.5.4 [05:00] Riddell: I'm trying to merge this and then kdebindings [05:01] grmpf, nope it is the same source package hehe [05:01] grmpf === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.51.188.228] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:28] hmm.. anyone got any good suggestions on the FTBFS(powerpc,i386) kopete in feisty? https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/275832 [05:29] sparc and amd64 are ok. [05:29] same package builds fine in edgy. [05:30] Riddell: I forgot kdebindings at the moment, I'm starting kdebluetooth (lots of changes there, might take a while [05:32] Riddell: the interesting thing is that this version includes a passkey-agent for dbus [05:32] we will not have to workarround now [05:32] Tonio_: kdebindings has a new release out which uses a new bluetoothe library [05:32] Tonio_: you'll need to ask dholbach if the gnome stuff can also use that new library version [05:32] Riddell: ah ? cool [05:33] Riddell: the problem with kdebindings is that we have an external issue, since even the previously built version ftbfs now...... [05:33] Riddell: kdebindings and kbluetooth ? I'm not sure to understand [05:34] Riddell: wheren't you talking about new bluez and kdebluetooth instead ? [05:34] er, yes [05:34] s/kdebindings/kdebluetooth/ [05:34] yes in fact gnome already uses this [05:35] oh, sorted [05:35] the passkey-agent is used with bluez/dbus [05:35] Riddell: I'm just testing the debian package...... the problem is that the packaging is completly different (doesn't use cdbs anymore) [05:35] I'll probably have to re-cdbs it [05:36] but as the souces changed a lot, it'll take time to test all patches etc..... [05:37] let go ! [05:39] hmm.. does the package uploaded to edgy-proposed need a accept from the archive admins before it's buildt? [05:40] fdoving: yes [05:41] Riddell: ok. glad i'm not an archive-admin. I've poked them alot lately :) [05:45] _Sime: any idea if pykde should work with python 2.5? I get a compile error [05:46] yay, my feisty machine won't boot ;) [05:48] Well someone promised in #ubuntu-devel they would break booting this week [05:48] Guess they are a person of their word. Nice to know you can count on them [05:51] haha right [05:51] it is no biggy to me, as it is my test machine [05:51] so i can always reinstall [05:52] i need to start imaging that machine though..i would rather take 5 minutes instead of 1 getting it back [05:52] s/1/1 hour [05:52] Riddell: hum, the new kdebluetooth debian package is an horrible mess (removed cdbs, conflict files with bluez-utils etc.......) [05:53] Tonio_: don't use it then [05:53] Riddell: I'll probably simply update the kubuntu package with new tarball and make it to work === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.57.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.57.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.57.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.57.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.57.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ttoine [n=ttoine@82.241.217.159] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.57.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.57.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:02] heh [06:03] I thought he was clay, not water === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.57.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.57.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:05] claydoh: ahem === ttoine [n=ttoine@82.241.217.159] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [06:05] Well he just got banned [06:05] temporarily, to avoid floods === ingmar [n=ingmar@vpnd233.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:05] yeah I figure. guess flooding gets muddy with him [06:06] DaSkreech: my point exactly === \sh is now known as \sh_away === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso_away is now known as jpetso === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:11] Riddell: I'm giving a good clean to the kbluetooth package too since it is currently very messy (mixing cdbs and pure debhelper stuff etc.......) [07:12] cool [07:14] I just hope the dbus stuff works correctly === Dinofly [n=dinofly@82.238.217.179] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pascalFR [i=xJ99ovlp@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@203.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.57.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.57.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@142-18.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@86.73.86.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel === typecast [n=foo@p54A08833.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.117.173] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:27] <_Sime> Riddell: what's up? [08:28] _Sime: pykde doesn't like python 2.5 http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/pykde.text [08:30] <_Sime> Riddell: which version of SIP? [08:31] <_Sime> Riddell: I'm not sure if Jim has updated PyKDE for Python 2.5. === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66.252.57.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:49] _Sime: sip 4.5 [08:51] <_Sime> Riddell: I don't think Jim has updated PyKDE for Python 2.5. He has been very busy/quite lately. [08:52] _Sime: right. I think the plan is to have 2.5 as default in feisty, but I'm not sure when that change will happen [08:54] <_Sime> Riddell: the errors you've got there don't look fatal. [08:54] <_Sime> Riddell: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-September/068944.html [08:55] Riddell: hum the latest kdebluetooth debian version doesn't use dbus in fact. I'm trying to package from svn instead, this was dholbach plan for feisty [08:56] seems to be working nicelly since opensuse already uses this [09:00] <_Sime> Riddell: if possible, it is best to get a fixed version from Jim. But it does look fixable without Jim's help. It is just a PITA. [09:01] <_Sime> Riddell: some "int"s need to be replaced with "Py_ssize_t" in some of the hand written parts. [09:01] Tonio_: what's in svn that isn't in beta 2? [09:01] _Sime: ok, I've posted to pykde so we'll see if Jim answers, and we can worry about it if the python2.5 switch comes without hearing from him [09:02] Riddell: there is another development branch [09:02] <_Sime> Riddell: good. [09:02] Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/kdebluetooth-dbus-integration/ [09:02] this one includes all the dbus stuff to work with bluez 3 [09:02] Riddell: the beta2 debian uses version doesn't, and still needs to be patched to use kbluepin correctly (but it works too) [09:03] Riddell: I finished the merge with beta2, but as dholbach plan was to use this new version instead, and as opensuse already uses it, I though it was probably better to work on that directly, and eventually submit the package to debian if it works === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@203.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nuku [n=nuku@unaffiliated/nuku] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66.252.57.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:50] Mez: around? [10:50] for 10 mins [10:50] sup [10:51] Mez: I'm looking at katapult [10:51] it's all blurg [10:51] ... ? === jdong searches up "blurg" [10:52] " [10:52] Noun, a small little known organ in the human body, located slightly medial and dorsal to the vermiform appendix, also referred to as the "love muffin." [10:52] cool! [10:53] but not what I ment [10:53] LOL [10:53] Alt+spcae word:blug [10:53] Mez: I can't see any difference in kubuntu_07_work_with_non_english.diff [10:53] Riddell, will tlak tomorrow [10:58] infact it does add changes which are already in that file [11:00] and the change to kubuntu_03_spellingcatalog.diff is already in kubuntu_07_work_with_non_english.diff [11:02] diffs on diffs are nice :) === claydoh [n=claydoh@66.252.57.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:07] Riddell: can you please upload kopete to feisty? -> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/kopete/ - fixes ftbfs on ppc and x86. [11:07] fdoving: sure, in a bit [11:14] Riddell: d'you know of a "good" howto type thing for merging? the one on the MOTU school wiki doesn't really explain much... [11:15] ryanakca: download ubuntu package, download debian package [11:15] check if the ubuntu changes are still needed, if they aren't file a sync request [11:16] if they are port the ubuntu changes to the debian package [11:16] voila [11:16] ok... and how will I know if they're still needed? kindof a "It is or it isn't" obvious type thing? [11:17] you need to search through the changelog to find out what the changes are [11:17] and decide if the reson for adding the change is still a good reason [11:17] usually you want to keep the change unless it has been included in debian [11:18] and "port the ubuntu changes to the debian package"... that means copying the patches over? [11:19] yes, if its a patch in debian/patches, or it might be a packaging change, e.g. a lot of packages have dh_iconcache added to their debian/rules file [11:20] kk === ryanakca will start with a small, simple program :) [11:21] thanks :) === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.117.173] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:25] Riddell: I'm merging koffice-i18n 1.6 [11:26] Tonio_: don't [11:26] Tonio_: I have the 1.6.1 packages on my hard disk [11:26] Riddell: okay [11:26] but it's not released yet [11:26] hum should be removed of the merging list then :) [11:26] perfect, I won't touch this and wait, ping me if you need testers [11:27] Does ubiquity handle sata drives? [11:27] deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/not-koffice-161/ edgy main [11:27] Riddell: merging guidance packaging + sync from svn then === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:27] DaSkreech: the live CD does, I wouldn't be surprised if qtparted got confused [11:27] I just hope the new icons are on the svn [11:27] they should be [11:29] So qtparted would not be helpful in fixing the problem? [11:31] DaSkreech: sup? [11:32] DaSkreech: I don't know what your problem is [11:32] Riddell: can you peek in the main chan? [11:32] main chan? [11:33] #kubuntu === pinheir0 [n=pinheiro@bl6-220-25.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.117.173] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === mbiebl [n=michael@e180080017.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66.252.57.91] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.213.222.110] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:56] Riddell: there is a badly named patch in kdepim. attachment.cgi?id=17264&action=view [11:57] fdoving: in fesity? [11:57] Riddell: yes. [11:57] that'll be my fault, but it won't cause any harm [11:57] just FYI. [11:57] thankks [11:57] so, kopete [11:57] where was that again? [11:57] .. and i'm test-building with the kpilot fix. === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.117.173] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:57] ooh, good plan [11:58] http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/kopete/ [12:01] fdoving: where did you get the patch from? [12:01] Riddell: debian package. [12:01] clever debian :) === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:03] I don't have a palm, so i can't test, but uploading to feisty won't hurt, i guess? [12:04] I think seaLne has a palm? [12:06] I'll continue this tomorrow. have to sleep. [12:06] bye. [12:06] sleep well fdoving [12:06] I'm compiling kopete now and I'll upload it when it's done [12:06] thanks :) === Jucato [n=jucato@210.213.222.110] has joined #kubuntu-devel