[01:26] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee && Hobbsee|1emote
[01:32] <Hobbsee_> thanks to whoever fixed my multimedia keys!
[01:32] <Hobbsee|1emote> hey Jucato 
[01:33] <Jucato> lol
[01:33] <Jucato> which Hobbsee do I talk to? :)
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: whichever.   this one
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: the other is in a screen session on stevenk's computer, so...
[01:33] <Jucato> ah
[01:34] <Hobbsee> most of the time, i'm not there
[01:34] <Jucato> Hobbsee: getting kernel panic in feisty using 2.6.19-6-generic kernel. normal? known? or I'm just screwed up?
[01:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i dont know about it, more info required.
[01:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what'd the /var/log/syslog say about it?
[01:35] <Jucato> er... lol forgot to check :)
[01:35] <Jucato> it's on VMWare btw
[01:35] <Hobbsee> it was something i was testing...
[01:35] <Jucato> (if that matters)
[01:35] <Hobbsee> ahh - bit hard to mount hte drive on that basis, probably
[01:36] <Jucato> hm... but the 2.6.17 kernel works fine... it's the only one I can use right now in feisty...
[01:37] <Hobbsee> i dont know if it supports vmware - no idea
[01:37] <Jucato> oh ok :)
[01:45] <Jucato> Hobbsee: lol! now it works...
[01:45] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :)
[01:46] <Jucato> after, around 7 tries, it finally boots into the feisty kernel :)
[01:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:49] <freeflying> morning all
[01:49] <Jucato> morning freeflying
[01:50] <Hobbsee> hey freeflying!
[02:00] <DaSkreech> Hiya
[02:05] <Hobbsee> heya
[02:12] <DaSkreech> What were you getting to kernel panic?
[02:13] <Jucato> DaSkreech: dont' know anymore... coz for some strange reason, after the nth try, it works
[02:13] <DaSkreech> Hm msounds like my installation of sawfish
[02:20] <DaSkreech> whats the deal with propietary drivers by default?
[02:20] <DaSkreech> does that mean really really really easy enable of them or if they are detected at install they are installed?
[02:20] <apokryphos> there's a spec about it
[02:20] <apokryphos> the latter
[02:21] <apokryphos> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/accelerated-x
[02:21] <DaSkreech> Man  that's depressing :(
[02:22] <Jucato> ... :(
[02:22] <apokryphos> it's pretty much necessary for them to get beryl/compiz in by default on the widerscale
[02:23] <Hobbsee> hey apokryphos 
[02:23] <apokryphos> hiya Hobbsee
[02:23] <DaSkreech> I'd so much rather a really easy button?
[02:23] <DaSkreech> It's feels so much like giving up 
[02:23] <Jucato> ditto DaSkreech
[02:24] <Jucato> I'd rather they develop someway to make the installation of drivers and beryl easy and painless
[02:25] <DaSkreech> Isn't this in direct contravention to the Ubuntu phiosphy?
[02:25] <DaSkreech> I can see people carving up the Ubuntu=MS stamps now
[02:25] <Jucato> not according to sabdfl
[02:25] <apokryphos> not entirely. They've said from the beginning that they'd include proprietary things when it's "practical"
[02:26] <DaSkreech> I'm not sure bling bling is practical in a OS or a general life sense
[02:26] <Jucato> and the commitment/philosophy is to provide a free OS. it's still free, although not in the FSF sense of the term
[02:26] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: in truth they're not doing much new by doing this now. The GPL is also not violated because of the way things are set up (SLA security, etc)
[02:26] <DaSkreech> Then why can't Korroa ship?
[02:27] <DaSkreech> (spelling is wrong)
[02:28] <apokryphos> Ubuntu's going to, like Novell, through the reproduction burden onto the user
[02:28] <apokryphos> *throw
[02:28] <apokryphos> but again, that's not new. That's exactly how nvidia-glx works right now
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Konvi krashed
[02:34] <Jucato> ouch
[02:34] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: Sorry you were saying?
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Naw History is a great thing :)
[02:39] <DaSkreech> What reproduction burden?
[03:15] <seele> wow, lots of feedback about grub
[03:15] <seele> people must really want a tool to configure it :)
[03:16] <Jucato> :)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> hey seele!
[03:17] <seele> hihi
[03:17] <Hobbsee> seele: is there any feedback you still need?
[03:17] <Jucato> seele: in your blog post?
[03:17] <seele> Hobbsee: i havnt had time to go through all the comments yet, but if you have something to say, feel free :)
[03:17] <seele> Jucato: ja
[03:17] <Hobbsee> seele: neither have i, hence i probably dont have things to say :P
[03:17] <Jucato> ah nice. I read the post... didn't read the responses :)
[03:19] <Jucato> afaik, Mandriva/PCLOS has a nice (a.k.a. working) GRUB GUI editor
[03:26] <imbrandon> moins Jucato , seele , and Hobbsee !
[03:26] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon!
[03:26] <Jucato> hi imbrandon@
[03:26] <Jucato> er.. s/@/!
[03:27] <imbrandon> seele: yea they really do, there ahev been requests for a LONG time for it
[03:27] <Jucato> GRUB eye candy... :)
[03:45] <Hawkwind> w00t, Feisty is now installed and running :)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[03:51] <jdong> and speaking of a lot of bugs
[03:51] <jdong> (j/k)
[03:52] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is there any plans to switch back to using media:/ instead of /media/ ?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> media:/ seems to be working for more people, looking at these bug reports
[03:54] <Hobbsee> that being said, i like how /media/ is taking the drive names, instead of just how big they are, as media:/ does
[03:54] <robotgeek> i hate media:/ as it did not work in nonkde apps, how is that handled now?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: i'm not sure. that's a point.  then i guess that they use /media/
[03:59] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: yeah, it blows to have a save dialog and it not working
[04:14] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: no there isnt plans to go back 
[04:14] <Hobbsee> right
[04:15] <imbrandon> robotgeek: yea that was the main reason for it , because it breaks no kde apps
[04:15] <robotgeek> it is very frustrating, cause you can see the damn thing there, but not save it!
[04:16] <crimsun> fools shouldn't be using non-kde apps nohow.
[04:16] <imbrandon> yup, thus media:/ is gone ( only from kde3 for us ) but kde4 wont have it at all
[04:16] <robotgeek> crimsun: i use firefox when konqueror does not render properly
[04:17] <crimsun> ('twas a joke if you couldn't tell by the syntax ;)
[04:17] <imbrandon> crimsun: heheh
[04:17] <imbrandon> robotgeek: i thought you just booted into OSX when it dident work ( just kidding )
[04:18] <robotgeek> imbrandon: no, i dont ever boot into OS X anymore, just run it from withing linux
[04:18] <imbrandon> :)
[04:18] <imbrandon> ugh phone again
[04:18] <imbrandon> brb
[07:13] <lengau> Hi
[07:15] <lengau> Does anyone know where to go to request packages for future releases?
[07:23] <nixternal> lengau: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[07:23] <lengau> nixternal: Thanks. I've been looking all night, but it never dawned on me to check the obvious place :)
[07:27] <nixternal> hehe
[07:27] <nixternal> no problem
[07:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: because no one packaged it, probably
[07:33] <Jucato> aw... not popular enough? :)
[07:34] <Jucato> Hobbsee: is the Ubuntu Packaging Guide the recommended way to compile from source and build packages? (alternative to make install/checkinstall?)
[07:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: for private use, or to go into repos?
[07:35] <Jucato> both :)
[07:35] <Hobbsee> the former
[07:36] <Jucato> ok. I'll read it in my free time :)
[07:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:48] <crimsun> c'mon, you can be insane like the rest of us!
[09:51] <nixternal> oh well, no sleep for me i guess
[09:51] <crimsun> eh? S.O. not recovered from your last cooked meal?
[09:51] <nixternal> xS.O. ;)
[09:52] <crimsun> I hope I'm not shoving my foot in my mouth
[09:52] <nixternal> ahh the family pooch might have just started her journey to a better place
[09:52] <crimsun> oh, right
[09:52] <nixternal> right as I was heading up, i heard the old man freaking out yelling the dogs name
[09:53] <nixternal> he took off for the animal hospital
[09:54] <crimsun> hope she's in less pain, then
[09:54] <nixternal> ya, me too
[09:54] <nixternal> i was holding her while he got his stuff ready and she started to convulse..that was enough for me..im a weakling to that stuff
[11:00] <Enola_Gay> hi all
[11:00] <Enola_Gay> Does anyone know why klik isn't integrated in Kubuntu?
[11:00] <Enola_Gay> Or at least in the repository?
[11:02] <Riddell> security and technical issues
[11:03] <Enola_Gay> Riddell: ok, thanks
[11:06] <Enola_Gay> cu
[11:07] <Jucato> oh cool, the python-sip4 problem seems to be fixed already :)
[11:15] <Riddell> Jucato: well, one of them
[11:15] <Jucato> :)
[11:47] <Jucato> the current version of KOffice in fesity is 1.5.2?
[11:49] <Riddell> yes, I uploaded 1.6.0 but it failed and I'm not fixing it since I'm working on 1.6.1 now
[11:50] <Jucato> ah cool 1.6.1 :)
[12:44] <Tonio__> hi
[12:44] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio__ 
[12:44] <Tonio__> Riddell: just saw your comments on jabbin.... I'll have a look at the qca-tls, but that looks like optional stuff...
[12:45] <Tonio__> Riddell: and concerning dolphin I missed that it was in debian (wasn't when I did the package in fact)
[12:45] <mhb> hi all
[12:45] <Hobbsee> hey mhb!
[12:49] <MidMark> guys there is a big problem in usb storage management in kubuntu
[12:49] <MidMark> if you umount a pen drive that has still some writing data in cache the icon in kde disappears before it finish to write to the usb storage
[12:50] <MidMark> a person think that can take off the usb but will destroy for certain data
[12:50] <MidMark> is it known?
[12:51] <Tonio__> MidMark: yes
[12:51] <Tonio__> MidMark: I don't know if the issue is in our patches or in kde but that's a known issue
[12:51] <MidMark> this doesn't occur with Dapper
[12:52] <MidMark> Tonio__: is already reported in launchpad? number?
[12:52] <Tonio__> MidMark: I don't know for launchpad, but that is known and already discussed here
[12:53] <MidMark> ok, it's a pitty, every release of Kubuntu has a dozens of critical bugs unresolved...
[12:54] <Hobbsee|Remote> Tonio__: it's reported in launchpad, too
[12:54] <Hobbsee> MidMark: feel free to start fixing
[12:54] <MidMark> I think 6 month cycle (4 for Edgy) it's a little too fast cycle, produce cutting edge
[12:54] <Tonio__> Hobbsee hope you know the bug id :)
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio__: i can find it, in a sec
[12:55] <MidMark> Hobbsee: I'm a bug report and bug fuzz, take a look to my bug reported list
[12:55] <MidMark> this take time too
[12:55] <Hobbsee> Tonio__: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946
[12:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "umount progress dialog missing in Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[12:55] <Hobbsee> various other umount stuff broken as well
[12:55] <Tonio__> yep this one :)
[12:56] <Tonio__> hum it looks like I packaged jabbin and dilphin too fast hehe :)
[12:57] <mhb> it's probably known that the documentation (k-d-g, release notes) in Edgy is only in English ... is it planned to fix it in an update?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> mhb: do they have translations for it in rosetta?
[12:58] <mhb> Hobbsee: 100%. it's just not in Edgy help center
[12:58] <mhb> Hobbsee: it was translated before the deadline, but somehow it hasn't been included in Edgy
[12:59] <Hobbsee> mhb: ah right.  *pokes nixternal*
[01:00] <Hobbsee> mhb: absolutely no idea why, i dont tend to deal in translations
[01:00] <mhb> I think it was mentioned somewhere, but I don't know any LP bug number
[01:00] <Hobbsee> it's probably in the great lot of kdebase.
[01:02] <mhb> Hobbsee: I know it's neither your area of expertise nor your fault .o)
[01:02] <mhb> I'll wait for nixternal probably
[01:04] <Hobbsee> MidMark: i cant search for your reported bugs, if you didnt give a LP ID
[01:04] <MidMark> Hobbsee: ah sorry I'm Cimmo on launchpad
[01:05] <Hobbsee> ah, which is why i wouldnt have guessed
[01:05] <MidMark> s/Cimmo/cimmo
[01:05] <MidMark> also I'm a vast list of subscribed ones
[01:09] <Tonio__> Riddell: concerning jabbin and libqca, that looks like optionnal feature and isn't a compilation option, so it probably should be recommended and not be set as a dependancy right ?
[01:10] <Jucato> Tonio__: will kpkgmanager be in your repo soon? I'll be glad to test it on feisty :)
[01:10] <Tonio__> Jucato: bah it was rediscussed....
[01:10] <Tonio__> Jucato: it looks like unmaintained for a year in fact
[01:10] <Jucato> aw.. :(
[01:10] <Tonio__> so we will probably not spend time on this
[01:11] <Jucato> oh well, more time to focus on Adept, eh? :)
[01:11] <Tonio__> Jucato: yes... ;)
[01:13] <workmorn> what?
[01:13] <workmorn> i'll release 2.2 when it's ready
[01:14] <Jucato> hi workmorn/mornfall :)
[01:14] <workmorn> afternoon
[01:15] <Tonio__> workmorn: bah in fact we were comparing the functionnalities of kpkgmanager to adept, and it was interesting to get kpkgmanager in the repos too
[01:15] <workmorn> what's kpkgmanager
[01:15] <Tonio__> workmorn: but as it is unmaintained, there is probably no interest to put that in, even universe
[01:16] <Tonio__> workmorn: a simple component that can be installed and used with kio-apt
[01:16] <workmorn> ah ok, so it's the one i have seen
[01:16] <Tonio__> workmorn: it is efficient and works well, but is unmaintained
[01:16] <Tonio__> but the idea is pretty good
[01:19] <Tonio__> workmorn: are you aware we tested the debconf/qt thing ? it works well :)
[01:19] <workmorn> which debconf/qt thing? :)
[01:19] <Tonio__> the only thing is that it would be nice if the env variable to make debconf use "kde" was set be adept when launched
[01:20] <workmorn> you know, it is :)
[01:20] <Tonio__> workmorn: ah ? in the wip stuff ?
[01:20] <workmorn> no, in released version
[01:21] <Tonio__> workmorn: hehe is it in edgy ? 
[01:21] <Tonio__> s/edgy/feisty ?
[01:21] <workmorn>     if (cache::Global::get().packages()
[01:21] <workmorn>         .packageByName( "libqt-perl" ).isInstalled())
[01:21] <workmorn>         putenv( "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=kde" );
[01:21] <Tonio__> we had to dpkg-reconfigure debconf to get it to work when testing
[01:21] <Tonio__> workmorn: hehe cool
[01:21] <workmorn> Tonio__: it's there since dapper or so
[01:22] <workmorn> unless you changed name of libqt-perl somehow :)
[01:22] <Tonio__> workmorn: hum, I'll look at that since it didn't ork for us, even with libqt-perl installed
[01:23] <workmorn> Tonio__: it doesn't work because kdesu borks xauth
[01:23] <workmorn> Tonio__: or that was the case last time i checked
[01:23] <Tonio__> workmorn: hum yes maybe
[01:23] <Tonio__> I think we had to perform an xhost+
[01:23] <Tonio__> if my remembering is correct
[01:24] <Tonio__> workmorn: let me test ;)
[01:24] <workmorn> xhost + EWW
[01:25] <Tonio__> workmorn: confirmed, that doesn't work due to kdesu
[01:26] <workmorn> Tonio__: i think it worked in debian, so it was sudo related, but it probably won't work these days anyways
[01:26] <workmorn> no matter
[01:26] <Tonio__> workmorn: interesting
[01:26] <Tonio__> workmorn: well we'll rediscuss thislater, we have time to get that in
[01:26] <workmorn> i had it definitely tested, so who knows :)
[01:27] <Riddell> Tonio__: if it's a compilation option it should be a build-dep most likely
[01:27] <Tonio__> Riddell: it is "not" a compilation option
[01:27] <Tonio__> Riddell: and that's not required for jabbin to work
[01:27] <Tonio__> Riddell: it is used as a "plugin" in fact
[01:28] <Tonio__> Riddell: so should be recommended eventually, but not a dep or builddep
[01:28] <Riddell> ah, so yes recommended sounds right
[01:28] <Tonio__> Riddell: this is the reason I didn't put that as a builddep
[01:28] <Tonio__> Riddell: concerning the amd64 issue........ I cannot test unfortunately
[01:28] <Tonio__> Riddell: I'll correct all I can, unsure it builds on i386 and reupload
[01:29] <Riddell> I'll try it on my powerpc and see what happens
[01:29] <Tonio__> Riddell: okay ;)
[01:30] <Tonio__> Riddell: concerning the licence, it is one of those stupid copy/paste with klipper ;) sometimes it doesn't take the last copied thing as the clipboard
[01:30] <Tonio__> and concerning dolphin, it wasn't in debian when I did the package, but now of course I'll request for a sync
[01:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay ftbfs on i386 aswell now
[01:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: it worked 2 weeks ago :)
[01:32] <Tonio_> lib version issue or something, I'll have a look at this
[01:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll also check at qt-x11-free-dbg today
[01:35] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: did you remove kpkgmanager from your repo?
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: the "letters with combinason" doesn't work anymore (again !)
[01:35] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: yep
[01:35] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[01:35] <Tonio_> ^e i
[01:35] <Tonio_> :'(
[01:51] <Tonio_> hum the issue is xorg this time....
[01:51] <Tonio_> not qt-x11
[01:52] <Riddell> what issue?
[01:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: combinason keys don't work
[01:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: ^e e ^o
[01:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: fails in a tty even after a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I fixed that error in edgy in qt-x11-free package, but the problem looks like related to X this time
[01:56] <Tonio_> and don't tell me "use english keyboard !" ^^
[01:58] <Riddell> keyboard layout is an X issue
[01:59] <Tonio_> yes but in edgy the issue was with the qt-x11 package, I just had to sync with debian to resolve the issue...
[01:59] <Tonio_> not this time
[01:59] <Tonio_> I have to quit for 15 minutes (electricity down)
[02:09] <gnomefreak> Riddell: ty for the python-qt fix ;)
[02:11] <Riddell> mmm, now I need to work out how to fix pyqt3 and pykde
[02:12] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:12] <Hobbsee> need my long pointy stick to help with that?
[02:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how's it broken?
[02:12] <Jucato> ooh jpatrick
[02:12] <Hobbsee> hey jpatrick!  LTNS!
[02:13] <jpatrick> hi Jucato
[02:13] <Jucato> ooh LTNS.. :)
[02:14] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: yeah, I've got mately with the kubuntu-es dudes again
[02:14] <Hobbsee> fun :)
[02:14] <jpatrick> I wonder... Riddell: ping
[02:14] <Riddell> hi jpatrick 
[02:15] <jpatrick> Riddell: Hi again, the guys at kubuntu-es.org are asking me if it were possible to get the subdomain of es.kubuntu.org
[02:16] <Riddell> what for?  you already have kubuntu-es.org
[02:16] <Riddell> which seems to redirect to some other random domain
[02:17] <jpatrick> they say "to look like we're closer to the official kubuntu"
[02:17] <jpatrick> yeah, tmp hot
[02:17] <jpatrick> host*
[02:17] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:18] <Riddell> doesn't canonical host that site now?
[02:18] <jpatrick> we're in the process of moving (right now)
[02:18] <Riddell> moving to canonical?
[02:18] <Jucato> doesn't kubuntu-es.org follow the LoCo naming policy more closely than es.kubuntu.org?
[02:18] <jpatrick> a canonical server
[02:19] <Riddell> I think canonical has a policy of giving out the -xx.org domains which presumably means they don't do xx.foo.org domains
[02:19] <jpatrick> ok, I'll tell them that
[02:21] <Riddell> gnomefreak: by the way have you tested hwdb-kde with the new pyqt4?
[02:21] <gnomefreak> Riddell: no im just now installing kubuntu-desktop
[02:22] <Riddell> let me know if it actually works
[02:22] <gnomefreak> i will look at it as soon as the downloading/installing it done
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: seems to work.  
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the hardware testing database, where it tests for sound and display and all that, right?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> it's working
[02:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, great, thanks :)
[02:24] <Jucato> working here, too :)
[02:25] <Jucato> lol said that too when I ran hwdb on Edgy a while ago
[02:34] <Tonio_> re
[02:34] <Jucato> will edgy-commercial have packages?
[02:36] <Riddell> not sure
[02:36] <Riddell> seems logical that it should but i
[02:36] <Riddell> if it doesn't have anything at the moment, I guess not
[02:38] <Jucato> ah
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm starting to merge (all the day)
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: no problem if I do adept ?
[02:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm working on pyqt and pykde
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[02:42] <Riddell> not at all, go ahead
[02:42] <Riddell> ping here when you start working on something so we don't duplicate stuff
[02:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's what I wanted to do indeed
[02:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: second thing will be kdebindings, I'll try to fix the build issue on feisty
[02:46] <Riddell> good luck :)
[02:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, yeah I know :)
[02:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning guidance, I'll probably build from svn instead of syc with debian, that's the way we usually do
[02:49] <Riddell> sync the packaging with debian
[02:49] <Jucato> speaking of guidance... doesn't the description (and System Settings) probably need to be updated to include mention of the wineconfig module?
[02:51] <Riddell> I didn't enable wineconfig because it had various issues
[02:51] <Riddell> for example it should be disabled if you don't have wine installed
[02:52] <Hobbsee> Jucato: can you confirm https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/73003 ?
[02:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73003 in kdepim "korganizer does not start from K Menu -> run dialog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[02:52] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I think I already did
[02:52] <Hobbsee> ah right
[02:52] <Jucato> er wait.. different bug
[02:54] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that's a known bug
[02:54] <Riddell> oh
[02:54] <Jucato> it might be related to the other korganizer bug
[02:54] <Jucato> dang
[02:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll sync with debian then
[02:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee|Remote: confirmed
[02:56] <Jucato> confirmed too
[02:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee|Remote: same issue when clicking the systray icon, doesn't start
[02:56] <Jucato> Tonio_: that's bug 68341
[02:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68341 in kdepim "Korganizer icon in the System Tray doesn't start Korganizer" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68341
[02:57] <Tonio_> Jucato: okay I'll have a look toonight, after my merging day :)
[02:57] <Jucato> thanks! :)
[02:57] <Jucato> btw, hasn't that "KDEinit could not launch <appname>" been a bug for a long time?
[02:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning guidance, I'll sync the packaging but what about the tarball ? Shouldn't I take it from svn as we usually do ?
[02:58] <Jucato> happens everytime I launch KInfoCenter through Katapult
[02:58] <Tonio_> Jucato: hum confirmed too, can you post a launchpad bug plz ?
[02:59] <Jucato> Tonio_: ok. I'll try digging for a KDE bug report too
[02:59] <Tonio_> Jucato: thanks
[03:01] <Tonio_> Jucato: concerning kinfocenter, that's a katapult issue, so please report the bug for katapult :)
[03:02] <Jucato> no, it happens in Alt+F2, also
[03:02] <Tonio_> Jucato: ah
[03:02] <Jucato> might be related to the korganizer bug Hobbsee mentioned
[03:02] <Jucato> bug for kdelibs?
[03:02] <Tonio_> Jucato: bug for kinfocenter then, it doesn't like to be launched without any parameter
[03:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: if you want, but it's quite fiddly to do (need to get all the translations out too)
[03:03] <Jucato> although in kinfocenter's case, it launches despite the error. in korganizer's case, it doesn't launch at all
[03:03] <Jucato> ok
[03:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I know but don't mind, I'm used to it, I already synced guidance several times
[03:03] <Tonio_> svn2dist is my friend :)
[03:04] <Tonio_> Jucato: I would say an issue in the desktop file for kinfocenter
[03:04] <Tonio_> Jucato: just report the bug and I'll try to fix it
[03:05] <Jucato> Tonio_: sure thing :)
[03:11] <Jucato> Tonio_: excuse me, what package should I select for the bug report? kdebase? (kinfocenter doesn't exist in Ubuntu)
[03:14] <Tonio_> yes
[03:15] <Jucato> Tonio_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/73008
[03:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73008 in kdebase ""KDEInit could not launch 'kinfocenter'" when launching KInfoCenter from Katapult or Run Command" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[03:18] <Jucato> btw, both bugs about korganizer aren't present in Feisty
[03:19] <Tonio_> Jucato: aren't ?
[03:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: just done kipi-plugins while adept is building, fyi
[03:19] <Jucato> Tonio_: yes. I can launch Korganizer from Alt+F2 normally, and the system tray icon behaves normally
[03:20] <morn|off> Tonio_: adept is still building? oh dear :)
[03:20] <Tonio_> morn|off: yes :'(
[03:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: going to change it to recommend graphicsmagick?
[03:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum does it work with it ? I though it was still using imagemagick
[03:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, but actually it'll need graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat
[03:22] <Tonio_> so I may recommend both in fact
[03:22] <Riddell> I guess so, graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat | imagemagick
[03:22] <Tonio_> yep that's what I thought about :)
[03:23] <Tonio_> okay let's do that
[03:29] <Tonio_> Jucato: hum, the korganizer issue has been resolved somehow, I cannot reproduce it anymore
[03:30] <Jucato> Tonio_: in Edgy or in Feisty?
[03:30] <Tonio_> Jucato: feisty
[03:30] <Tonio_> Jucato: but that didn't work a couple of days ago
[03:30] <Jucato> oh...
[03:30] <Tonio_> yes, maybe rebuilding kdelibs or kdebase in the last days fixed it somehow...... weird anyway
[03:31] <freeflying_> Riddell: any good news about qt-3.3.7? 
[03:31] <Jucato> there were some kdepim updates a while ago
[03:32] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes but not in the past days when the issue has been resolved I think
[03:32] <Jucato> ah
[03:32] <Tonio_> I don't remember seeing a kdepim upload (maybe I'm wrong btw)
[03:33] <Riddell> freeflying_: I've not had a chance to look at it yet, and I'm not sure I will be able to before I go away at the weekend
[03:33] <Riddell> freeflying_: it's strange, there shouldn't be anything changed
[03:35] <freeflying_> Riddell: :) it's really strange
[03:36] <Riddell> freeflying_: you could try recompiling it without the patch for visibility
[03:37] <freeflying_> Riddell: okay, I'll recompile it this weekend
[03:48] <fabo> Riddell, Tonio_ if you have time to upload icecc-monitor : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3515
[03:48] <Tonio_> fabo: let me look
[03:48] <fabo> thks
[03:50] <Tonio_> fabo: is it waiting for debian or is that already i unstable ?
[03:50] <fabo> it's in etch/sid
[03:51] <Tonio_> fabo: okay :) I'm revuing and uploading
[03:51] <Riddell> so it can just be synced rather than a separate upload?
[03:51] <fabo> right
[03:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me look at the changelog
[03:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: check it compiles and runs, then file a sync request
[03:51] <Tonio_> yup no change.... can just be synced
[03:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I'm doing this
[03:51] <fabo> on my recent upload to revu, all are sync except strig
[03:52] <fabo> i
[03:52] <Riddell> fabo: why not strigi?
[03:53] <fabo> Riddell: a minor linda fix requested by Hobbsee ;)
[03:54] <fabo> Tonio_: if you are motivated -> kbarcode and kscope to sync too
[03:54] <fabo> i'm reviewing kde-extras package right now for feisty ...
[03:55] <Tonio_> fabo: later probably ;)
[03:55] <Tonio_> fabo: I have a bunch of merges to perform today
[03:55] <fabo> k np ;)
[03:55] <fabo> kile FTBFS on feisty, while it build nicely on sid ...
[03:56] <fabo> i don't know why ... yet
[04:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: stupid question but wich package to post the bug for a sync request for a new package, not already in launchpad ? :)
[04:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: you can file bugs without a package
[04:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, okay, didn't knew since I never did this before, only for existing packages so... :)
[04:06] <Riddell> but if the package doesn't already exist, it should get sycned automatically
[04:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: in theory yes, but no idea when ?
[04:06] <Tonio_> is that done for example every week or so ?
[04:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: not sure actually
[04:07] <Tonio_> k
[05:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: the kdebindings issue is probably related to our libqt3-jni, still 3.5.4
[05:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm trying to merge this and then kdebindings
[05:01] <Tonio_> grmpf, nope it is the same source package hehe
[05:01] <Tonio_> grmpf
[05:28] <fdoving> hmm.. anyone got any good suggestions on the FTBFS(powerpc,i386) kopete in feisty? https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/275832
[05:29] <fdoving> sparc and amd64 are ok.
[05:29] <fdoving> same package builds fine in edgy.
[05:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I forgot kdebindings at the moment, I'm starting kdebluetooth (lots of changes there, might take a while
[05:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: the interesting thing is that this version includes a passkey-agent for dbus
[05:32] <Tonio_> we will not have to workarround now
[05:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: kdebindings has a new release out which uses a new bluetoothe library
[05:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: you'll need to ask dholbach if the gnome stuff can also use that new library version
[05:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? cool
[05:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem with kdebindings is that we have an external issue, since even the previously built version ftbfs now......
[05:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdebindings and kbluetooth ? I'm not sure to understand
[05:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: wheren't you talking about new bluez and kdebluetooth instead ?
[05:34] <Riddell> er, yes
[05:34] <Riddell> s/kdebindings/kdebluetooth/
[05:34] <Tonio_> yes in fact gnome already uses this
[05:35] <Riddell> oh, sorted
[05:35] <Tonio_> the passkey-agent is used with bluez/dbus
[05:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm just testing the debian package...... the problem is that the packaging is completly different (doesn't use cdbs anymore)
[05:35] <Tonio_> I'll probably have to re-cdbs it
[05:36] <Tonio_> but as the souces changed a lot, it'll take time to test all patches etc.....
[05:37] <Tonio_> let go !
[05:39] <fdoving> hmm.. does the package uploaded to edgy-proposed need a accept from the archive admins before it's buildt? 
[05:40] <Riddell> fdoving: yes
[05:41] <fdoving> Riddell: ok. glad i'm not an archive-admin. I've poked them alot lately :)
[05:45] <Riddell> _Sime: any idea if pykde should work with python 2.5?  I get a compile error
[05:46] <nixternal> yay, my feisty machine won't boot ;)
[05:48] <DaSkreech> Well someone promised in #ubuntu-devel they would break booting this week
[05:48] <DaSkreech> Guess they are a person of their word. Nice to know you can count on them
[05:51] <nixternal> haha right
[05:51] <nixternal> it is no biggy to me, as it is my test machine
[05:51] <nixternal> so i can always reinstall
[05:52] <nixternal> i need to start imaging that machine though..i would rather take 5 minutes instead of 1 getting it back
[05:52] <nixternal> s/1/1 hour
[05:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, the new kdebluetooth debian package is an horrible mess (removed cdbs, conflict files with bluez-utils etc.......)
[05:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't use it then
[05:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll probably simply update the kubuntu package with new tarball and make it to work
[06:02] <apokryphos> heh
[06:03] <jpatrick> I thought he was clay, not water
[06:05] <Riddell> claydoh: ahem
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Well he just got banned
[06:05] <apokryphos> temporarily, to avoid floods
[06:05] <DaSkreech> yeah I figure. guess flooding gets muddy with him
[06:06] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: my point exactly
[07:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm giving a good clean to the kbluetooth package too since it is currently very messy (mixing cdbs and pure debhelper stuff etc.......)
[07:12] <Riddell> cool
[07:14] <Tonio_> I just hope the dbus stuff works correctly
[08:27] <_Sime> Riddell: what's up?
[08:28] <Riddell> _Sime: pykde doesn't like python 2.5 http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/pykde.text
[08:30] <_Sime> Riddell: which  version of SIP?
[08:31] <_Sime> Riddell: I'm not sure if Jim has updated PyKDE for Python 2.5.
[08:49] <Riddell> _Sime: sip 4.5
[08:51] <_Sime> Riddell: I don't think Jim has updated PyKDE for Python 2.5. He has been very busy/quite lately.
[08:52] <Riddell> _Sime: right.  I think the plan is to have 2.5 as default in feisty, but I'm not sure when that change will happen
[08:54] <_Sime> Riddell: the errors you've got there don't look fatal.
[08:54] <_Sime> Riddell:  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-September/068944.html
[08:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum the latest kdebluetooth debian version doesn't use dbus in fact. I'm trying to package from svn instead, this was dholbach plan for feisty
[08:56] <Tonio_> seems to be working nicelly since opensuse already uses this
[09:00] <_Sime> Riddell: if possible, it is best to get a fixed version from Jim. But it does look fixable without Jim's help. It is just a PITA.
[09:01] <_Sime> Riddell: some "int"s need to be replaced with "Py_ssize_t" in some of the hand written parts.
[09:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's in svn that isn't in beta 2?
[09:01] <Riddell> _Sime: ok, I've posted to pykde so we'll see if Jim answers, and we can worry about it if the python2.5 switch comes without hearing from him
[09:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is another development branch
[09:02] <_Sime> Riddell: good.
[09:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/kdebluetooth-dbus-integration/
[09:02] <Tonio_> this one includes all the dbus stuff to work with bluez 3
[09:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: the beta2 debian uses version doesn't, and still needs to be patched to use kbluepin correctly (but it works too)
[09:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I finished the merge with beta2, but as dholbach plan was to use this new version instead, and as opensuse already uses it, I though it was probably better to work on that directly, and eventually submit the package to debian if it works
[10:50] <Riddell> Mez: around?
[10:50] <Mez> for 10 mins
[10:50] <Mez> sup
[10:51] <Riddell> Mez: I'm looking at katapult
[10:51] <Riddell> it's all blurg
[10:51] <Mez> ... ?
[10:52] <jdong> " 	
[10:52] <jdong> Noun, a small little known organ in the human body, located slightly medial and dorsal to the vermiform appendix, also referred to as the "love muffin."
[10:52] <Riddell> cool!
[10:53] <Riddell> but not what I ment
[10:53] <jdong> LOL
[10:53] <DaSkreech> Alt+spcae word:blug
[10:53] <Riddell> Mez: I can't see any difference in kubuntu_07_work_with_non_english.diff
[10:53] <Mez> Riddell, will tlak tomorrow
[10:58] <Riddell> infact it does add changes which are already in that file
[11:00] <Riddell> and the change to kubuntu_03_spellingcatalog.diff is already in kubuntu_07_work_with_non_english.diff
[11:02] <fdoving> diffs on diffs are nice :)
[11:07] <fdoving> Riddell: can you please upload kopete to feisty? -> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/kopete/ - fixes ftbfs on ppc and x86.
[11:07] <Riddell> fdoving: sure, in a bit
[11:14] <ryanakca> Riddell: d'you know of a "good" howto type thing for merging? the one on the MOTU school wiki doesn't really explain much...
[11:15] <Riddell> ryanakca: download ubuntu package, download debian package
[11:15] <Riddell> check if the ubuntu changes are still needed, if they aren't file a sync request
[11:16] <Riddell> if they are port the ubuntu changes to the debian package
[11:16] <Riddell> voila
[11:16] <ryanakca> ok... and how will I know if they're still needed? kindof a "It is or it isn't" obvious type thing?
[11:17] <Riddell> you need to search through the changelog to find out what the changes are
[11:17] <Riddell> and decide if the reson for adding the change is still a good reason
[11:17] <Riddell> usually you want to keep the change unless it has been included in debian
[11:18] <ryanakca> and "port the ubuntu changes to the debian package"... that means copying the patches over?
[11:19] <Riddell> yes, if its a patch in debian/patches, or it might be a packaging change, e.g. a lot of packages have dh_iconcache added to their debian/rules file
[11:20] <ryanakca> kk
[11:21] <ryanakca> thanks :)
[11:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm merging koffice-i18n 1.6
[11:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't
[11:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: I have the 1.6.1 packages on my hard disk
[11:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[11:26] <Riddell> but it's not released yet
[11:26] <Tonio_> hum should be removed of the merging list then :)
[11:26] <Tonio_> perfect, I won't touch this and wait, ping me if you need testers
[11:27] <DaSkreech> Does ubiquity handle sata drives?
[11:27] <Riddell>  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/not-koffice-161/ edgy main
[11:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: merging guidance packaging + sync from svn then
[11:27] <Riddell> DaSkreech: the live CD does, I wouldn't be surprised if qtparted got confused
[11:27] <Tonio_> I just hope the new icons are on the svn
[11:27] <Riddell> they should be
[11:29] <DaSkreech> So qtparted would not be helpful in fixing the problem?
[11:31] <lnxkde> DaSkreech: sup?
[11:32] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I don't know what your problem is
[11:32] <DaSkreech> Riddell: can you peek in the main chan?
[11:32] <Riddell> main chan?
[11:33] <DaSkreech> #kubuntu
[11:56] <fdoving> Riddell: there is a badly named patch in kdepim. attachment.cgi?id=17264&action=view
[11:57] <Riddell> fdoving: in fesity?
[11:57] <fdoving> Riddell: yes.
[11:57] <Riddell> that'll be my fault, but it won't cause any harm
[11:57] <fdoving> just FYI.
[11:57] <Riddell> thankks
[11:57] <Riddell> so, kopete
[11:57] <Riddell> where was that again?
[11:57] <fdoving> .. and i'm test-building with the kpilot fix.
[11:57] <Riddell> ooh, good plan
[11:58] <fdoving> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/kopete/
[12:01] <Riddell> fdoving: where did you get the patch from?
[12:01] <fdoving> Riddell: debian package.
[12:01] <Riddell> clever debian :)
[12:03] <fdoving> I don't have a palm, so i can't test,  but uploading to feisty won't hurt, i guess? 
[12:04] <Riddell> I think seaLne has a palm?
[12:06] <fdoving> I'll continue this tomorrow. have to sleep.
[12:06] <fdoving> bye.
[12:06] <Riddell> sleep well fdoving 
[12:06] <Riddell> I'm compiling kopete now and I'll upload it when it's done
[12:06] <fdoving> thanks :)