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Burgworkhttp://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1890 <-- we should probably respond to this12:30
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tonyyarussoBurgwork: Why does that demand a response from us?04:03
poningrubecause we are cool like that04:04
poningruwhat are we talking about?04:04
tonyyarussoponingru: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/189004:05
tonyyarussoBurg quote: "<-- we should probably respond to this"04:05
poningruhmm04:06
poningrusigh04:06
poningrubrb04:06
elkbuntuim not seeing a need to respond to it either. counter philosophise, maybe, but not respond directly04:12
poningruWHAT04:23
poningruthats...04:23
poningruwow04:23
poningruexcuse my wandering from the coc path for a second here but...04:24
poningruthats utter bull04:24
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poningruhey guys anyone mind if I make a press team under marketing team in lp?05:24
poningruis that even possible?05:24
poningrujenda: ping05:44
poningruanyone ping05:44
poningruI need to know how to make an email for the press team05:45
poningruHALP06:17
tonyyarussoponingru: Like a mailing list?06:23
poningruI guess so06:24
poningruwhen I tried making an lp team06:24
poningruit asked for a contact email addy06:24
poningrubut I couldnt put mine own email addy06:24
tonyyarussoponingru: Yeah, that's a LP bug.  Dennis tells me the only way around it is if you have multiple addresses to use another one.06:25
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poningru...06:31
poningrulame06:31
Madpilothi all06:32
elkbuntuhi Madpilot06:32
wiiprushelkbuntu: awake?06:37
elkbuntuwiiprush, good chance of it06:37
Madpilotwiiprush, has Nintendo sponsored your new IRC nick?06:37
wiiprushelkbuntu: http://www.whiprush.org/2006/11/an_event_captur.html06:38
wiiprushMadpilot: temporarily, yes.06:38
elkbuntuwiiprush, lol06:39
wiiprushheh06:39
poningrurofl06:40
elkbuntuwiiprush, we could do a whole album of embarrassing jono pics too... the bottle dance photos.. the one with him between the pole dance girls, http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfllaw/297147144/in/set-72157594375723807/06:42
wiiprushyeah06:43
wiiprushI didn't want to go too far06:43
elkbuntuhehe06:43
elkbuntui think he'll be copping enough just from the bottle dance pics06:43
wiiprushthose are some good pics though06:44
elkbuntuhell yeah06:44
wiiprushhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/sfllaw/298880931/in/set-72157594375723807/06:48
wiiprushthat one is so awesome06:48
elkbuntuniiice06:49
elkbuntui havent been right through simon's pics yet06:50
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imbrandonwiiprush: you see this http://boycottnovell.com/2006/11/22/suse-ubuntu/08:19
wiiprushyeah08:19
imbrandon"ubuntu trumps suse" ^^ and "freesuse.com bought, will there be a fork soon?" ^^08:19
wiiprushthis entire 3 weeks has been nothing but ridiculousness08:19
imbrandonyea really08:20
wiiprushI don't even know if that's a word08:20
imbrandoni think it will go on for about 6 to 9 months then we'll see whats really gonna happen08:20
imbrandonhahaha08:20
wiiprushthere was one dude I was laughing at out loud08:20
wiiprushsec08:20
wiiprushthis is classic08:20
imbrandoni FINLAY bought the offical ubuntu book and jono's php book today, hopefully they will be here before next week08:21
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elkbuntuimbrandon, i've had the official ubuntu book on order since like 3 weeks before UDS08:21
imbrandonlol08:22
elkbuntuim starting to think about going and harrassing them08:22
imbrandoni had a copy a while back but i gave it away at our lug as a "prize"08:22
imbrandonnow this one is for me08:22
elkbuntuaha :)08:22
wiiprushhttp://boycottnovell.com/2006/11/22/suse-ubuntu/08:23
wiiprushoops08:23
wiiprushwrong url08:23
wiiprushsec08:23
imbrandonhehe08:23
imbrandoni was like umm thats what i just pasted :)08:23
wiiprushhttp://lovesunix.net/blog/?p=15008:23
wiiprush"3) Replace Beagle with Tracker, it.s saddens me a bit to be honest. I generally like Mono and I.m a huge C# syntax fan. But it just kills small rigs and with the now imfamous Novell/Microsoft deal the legal aspect of Mono is once again in limbo as I understand. The saddest thing for me about removing Mono from my system had to be loosing Banshee. I grew really fond of the 0.11 series, it was nice and stable and it has the be08:23
wiiprushso this dude08:24
wiiprushreads like /. or something08:24
wiiprushand is like "I am going to remove mono."08:24
imbrandonhahaha08:24
elkbunturofl08:24
imbrandondude do they not realize mono is a ecma standard ?08:24
imbrandonerr c#08:24
imbrandon1934 iirc , i might be wrong on the number08:25
wiiprushthis entire novell thing is awesome08:25
imbrandonbut still08:25
wiiprushyou have these people like "fuck suse, they made a deal with MS."08:25
wiiprushand we ship more mono stuff on our CD than anyone.08:25
imbrandonright08:25
imbrandonheh08:25
poningruhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/loco-press-releases08:25
imbrandonnot only that , if they actauly read the novel stuff it was all about the IP /novell/ owns in MS office, not the other way08:26
imbrandonwiiprush: ^08:26
imbrandonbalmer just fucked up, and its funny that MS made another press release saying so08:26
imbrandonerrr CoC , i dident say F*cked08:26
wiiprushdude ballmer has been rattling that IP sword for going on two years now.08:27
imbrandonyea08:27
imbrandonif not more08:27
imbrandonand its funny when the other hand realeases things like windows ce6 opensource, the right not knowing the left hand is doing08:27
imbrandonetc etc etc08:27
imbrandonits all the old timers at MS thats screwing things up08:28
wiiprushwell, what kind of pissess me off08:28
wiiprushis that novell is obviously listening to its customers08:28
imbrandonif MS released every bit of code GPL today except MS office and made MS Office use ODF , they would make billions08:28
wiiprushthey don't care about what we care about08:28
imbrandonand billions more08:28
imbrandonright08:28
wiiprushthey just want their shit to work08:28
imbrandonexactly, they dont care HOW08:28
imbrandonjust that it DOES08:29
wiiprushand for better or worse novell tries to fulfill that need.08:29
wiiprushbecause they do afterall, have to make money08:29
imbrandonkinda like the OSX crowd, its unixy enough for geeks but JUST WORKS, and i think thats whats picked up apple in the tech crowd lately08:29
wiiprushwell, I won't go that far.08:30
wiiprushbut I will say that novell and MS are listening to customers08:30
wiiprushand customers don't care about the gpl08:30
wiiprushor freedom08:30
wiiprushor whatever08:30
wiiprushthey want their shit to work.08:30
imbrandonwell not in the same respects, the do when it effects their pocketbooks later but they dont think about that untill two years into the lockin08:31
imbrandonwhen something go's wrong08:31
imbrandonbut yea , thats pretty much the whole thing, they dont really care08:31
imbrandonthey just want shit to work08:31
imbrandonin the long run i think its gonna create 3 teirs of OS's instead of mostly 2 now , there really is 3 now but it will be blured even less in the months to come08:32
imbrandonin that .....08:32
imbrandonyou have MS windows ( / OSX )08:32
imbrandonthen you have linux with openly closed source crap by big guys like novel08:33
imbrandonand the gap between them and like ubuntu or debian will widen as they wont ork togather as much08:33
imbrandonanhd you'll have free in every sense of the word os's08:33
nixternalyou guys have read the statement about ballmer saying it is possiple that every developer owes microsoft money over intellectual property?08:34
imbrandonall three exist today but the line between the linuxe's is blurred08:34
wiiprushimbrandon: it's funny you mention that08:34
imbrandonand it wontbe imho08:34
imbrandonin the time to come08:34
wiiprush"openly closed source crap" = novell08:34
wiiprushit takes an MS deal to make everyone switch from suse08:34
nixternalNSOSS == Not So Open Source08:34
wiiprushyou'd think YAST would have been a better reason08:34
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imbrandonright, thats what i mean, it exists today , but this will widen the gap08:35
imbrandonand make people look more closely i think08:35
imbrandonand essentialy creat two teirs of linux08:35
wiiprush"i've had enough of Novell being an MS lapdog, I'm switching to kubuntu."08:35
imbrandonheheh :)08:35
imbrandonhrm, i never really put that into so many words, maybe i'll make a blog post about it and see if i can get soem feedback08:36
imbrandon( and not a flamewar )08:36
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imbrandonhey wiiprush you've written for some magizines right ?08:37
imbrandon( spelled correctly of course )08:38
imbrandonbrb mt dew08:38
wiiprushimbrandon: a few08:38
poningruanyone have any opinions, rants about that spec?08:38
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jendaponingru: Are you sure it would require a subteam?02:14
elkbuntuomg, it's a matthewrevell!02:18
jendaomg :)02:20
jendaHello matt.02:20
matthewrevellHello peeps02:21
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elkbuntu:)02:24
elkbuntuare you a daddy by now?02:24
tonyyarussoWe'd be seing hundreds of links to flickr albums if so02:26
tonyyarusso*seeing02:26
elkbuntutonyyarusso, not necessarily02:26
tonyyarussoWell, if any of the new parents I've known are any indication02:27
matthewrevellelkbuntu: Note yet. He's overdue by one day now.02:27
matthewrevells/note/not02:28
elkbuntumatthewrevell, aha.02:28
elkbuntui suspected as much, since i'm sure jono would have mentioned something if it had happened02:28
elkbuntuor we would have seen a blog02:28
elkbuntuor something02:28
matthewrevellYeah, I imagine I'll post a blog entry :)02:29
tonyyarussoI was overdue by five days.02:29
tonyyarussoMy older sister came five _weeks_ early.02:29
elkbuntui was overdue by 10 days02:30
tonyyarussoI was also really mean in the size department...02:30
jendaMy nephew was huge.02:39
jenda4.8 kg02:39
tonyyarussoHold on, let me convert02:39
tonyyarussojenda: 4.37 for me02:40
jendahuge too :)02:40
tonyyarussoyep02:42
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jendaSo far, it's a profitable business :-D The people tend to send more than asked for, because they're surprised that the CD come even if they don't pay anything.02:43
tonyyarussoYou mean you send them before payment?02:44
jendayes02:44
jendaI barely even ask for a payment.02:44
tonyyarussocool02:45
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KenSentMejenda: ping06:00
jendaKABOOM06:00
KenSentMeaah06:00
KenSentMeI've received the ubuntu stickers today, but i didn't get the posters06:01
KenSentMeDid you send them together?06:01
jendapatience... ;)06:01
jendayes06:01
KenSentMeAh, ok06:01
jendaI doubt they were processed together, though.06:01
KenSentMeWell, just checking if maybe something went wrong06:01
KenSentMeBut i'll be patient then ;)06:02
jendagive it a few more days ;)06:05
jendaEnjoy the stickers in the meantime.06:05
jendaHow are they?06:05
KenSentMeI sure will06:05
KenSentMeThey look good06:05
KenSentMeHaven't tested them on my car yet :)06:05
jendaPlease do tell how they cope ;)06:06
jendaThey are high-quality MenZa-work.06:06
KenSentMejenda: well it's the right season for wheater testing. It rains all day here in holland06:06
jendabeautiful :)06:06
KenSentMeToo bad my car is in the garage for broken windshieldwipers06:07
jendaooh :(06:09
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jendaocuh07:16
jendaouch07:16
poningruhehe07:53
poningruyarr07:53
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lotusleaflol08:06
lotusleafI must be the only one in the States on freenode right now08:06
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lotusleafompaul: yo08:07
MenZagnewsense08:07
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ompaulMenZa, why would you?08:09
ompaulseems like a waste of effort08:09
ompaullotusleaf, evening08:09
MenZaompaul: no, my belief that, at this point, a computer cannot be used completely running only free software combined with the fact that my doctor's instructed me to get more excercise, yes.08:09
MenZas/yes/I don't think so08:10
MenZa._.08:10
ompaulMenZa, I don't know, the chairman of the board told me this very evening that I would be installing gnucash for him for one of his projects08:11
ompaulMenZa, and he has a dislike of not having choice that is what has build the company from 3 guys 25 years ago in a depression starting out on their own and now having 70 people working for them08:12
ompaulhe wanted choice08:12
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poningruthough its already done08:18
poningruand I already set the table08:18
poningruso its all good08:18
ompaulturkey hu?08:19
ompaulwell here is one for ya08:19
poningruso yeah happy thanksgiving everyone08:19
ompaulwe don't eat turkey today08:19
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poningruarr?08:19
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ompaulit ain't no thanksgiving day here08:22
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MenZaI think?08:25
ompaulcorrect08:25
MenZaHuzzah!08:26
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MenZaI dunno, War was better.08:27
MenZa:p08:27
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ompaulohh this is not somewhere else ;-)08:28
ompaulwe are slightly offtopic08:28
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poningrudude...08:33
poningrugnusense???08:33
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MenZaponingru: ...omgpaul?08:37
MenZaROFL08:37
jendaMenZa: just got a packagy-pack.08:37
jendathanks :)08:37
MenZanot at all08:37
MenZa:)08:37
MenZa'scuse the wrapping08:38
MenZaDid it at work, was lazy08:38
jendaI totally love the wrapping.08:38
jendaanything arrive on your side yet?08:38
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MenZajenda: nope08:44
jendaaww08:47
jendafew more days, I guess.08:47
poningruMenZa: thats his new name08:49
poningruits omgpaul08:49
MenZajenda: :D08:49
jenda08:50
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tsmitheping poningru08:53
jendaMenZa: would you like to sell those stickers yourself, if there's still demand once I run out?08:54
jendaThe kinda rock, you know :)08:54
MenZajenda: possibly, I'm very busy :\08:54
poningrutsmithe: ping08:54
poningruerrr pong08:54
tsmithewhich stickers are these?08:54
tsmitheponingru, hang on08:54
jendabig round logo stickers.08:54
tsmithecool08:54
tsmithelinky?08:54
tsmitheponingru, I added some points to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/PressTeam/EPK as i said i woud08:55
poningruanyone know of a method to wget a site.com/something/*08:55
poningrusweet08:55
tsmitheanything else to add?08:55
poningruthanks man08:55
poningruworking on the spec08:55
tsmithecool08:55
poningrulook on the loco-press-release spec08:55
tsmithewill do08:55
poningruforgot the nam eof it08:55
tsmithelol08:55
jendaponingru: downthemall firefox extension works great.08:56
jendaponingru: please consider not creating a sub-team on launchpad - we would soon have a million :)08:57
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tsmitheponingru, you should really link the spec to the wiki page ;)08:58
tsmitheso i can see it, and add my comments08:58
tsmitheoh, and jenda, how do i check out a bzr branch?09:00
poningrujenda: hmm ok09:00
tsmithebzr co <what?>09:00
poningrutsmithe: true that09:00
jendatsmithe: the http://URL of the branch09:00
Burgworkponingru: only create a seperate team if you already have a large number of people that don't seem to fit into the marketing team09:01
Burgworkwhich you probably don't09:01
jendaponingru: OTOH, don't feel obliged to follow what I say ;)09:01
tsmithewhat would the url be for the diy site stuffs then, jenda?09:01
jendaah09:01
jendahttps://code.launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-marketing/+branch/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu09:02
poningruhehe09:02
tsmithejenda: sorry - i just worked it out ;)09:02
tsmithethanks anyway09:02
jendanp09:02
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tsmitheurgh branch is big09:14
tsmitheah well09:14
tsmithethis first slog is the longest09:14
jendayeah, it's over 100 MiB, sorry :)09:16
tsmitheso that's 10 minutes on this connection09:18
tsmithenot too bad09:18
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tsmitheerr... on that branch, the posters page isn't up to date09:27
tsmithecan't we keep everything in one place?09:27
tsmithesurely that's the point of version control09:27
tsmithenever mind09:28
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tsmithe:P09:29
tsmithehang on09:29
tsmithethat's not up to date either09:29
tsmithe...09:29
poningrugrr I am gonan put this upto a vote09:29
tsmitheponingru, what?09:29
Burgworkponingru: hmm?09:29
tsmithe"gonan"? vote?09:30
poningrugonna09:31
poningru:P09:31
poningruemail the -marketing to ask if we should make a press team09:31
tsmitheok09:31
Burgworkponingru: voting is a sign that consensus has failed09:35
poningruyeah09:35
poningruI think I am just gonna make the team09:35
Burgworkponingru: you only need a team if you have a large number of people that don't clearly fit within the marketing team09:35
Burgworkwhich I don't see09:35
tsmithecan someone with access to that branch update it? i'm just checking out dan buch's branch to see if that is more up to date, although launchpad suggests otherwise09:35
jendatsmithe: the bzr branch isn't as up-to date as the diy.devubuntu.ftp - that's a working version.09:36
poningruBurgwork: the problem is that not everyone in marketing wants to be involved in press stuff09:36
Burgworkponingru: so09:36
tsmithejenda, i think you meant ".com" ;)09:36
tsmitheplus, where does that get it's source from?09:36
BurgworkI don't much care about diy stuff, but that doesn't mean I have a seperate team for it09:36
tsmithenot bzr?09:36
poningruBurgwork: oh not diy09:36
poningruBurgwork: this is for portion of marketing to work with canonical09:37
jendatsmithe: yes, .com09:37
Burgworkall marketing works with canonical to some degree09:37
jendaand it gets source from ftp, by dan and me.09:37
tsmithebah09:37
poningruso that we can do things like localized press releases at the same time09:37
tsmithejenda, that's no good!09:37
poningruBurgwork: right09:37
Burgworkthat is simply a project with the marketing team09:37
tsmithejenda, what if others want to help?09:38
jendatsmithe: it's a working version, and it's a lot faster than bzr'ing09:38
poningruright... but we can be a subset of marketing team09:38
Burgworkas a project09:38
Burgworkthere is no need for YAT09:38
jendatsmithe: then they ask, and we start coordinating.09:38
poningrubut it would'nt be just another project09:38
jendaI guess we could open a new branch. I'll contact the launchpad folks.09:38
Burgworkyes it would09:38
Burgworkponingru: it is no more unique the diy or the UWN09:39
tsmithejenda, indeed... but bzr is more open... and if people aren't happy with it, its speed looks set to improve09:39
tsmitheand i'd like to help09:39
tsmithejenda, why a new branch? we already have a few09:39
jendaOne branch for the website, one branch for the content. Makes sense to me - what do you say, tsmithe?09:39
tsmithesounds good09:39
tsmithebut we should also clean up the old branches09:39
jendaI don't know any other branches.09:39
tsmitheerr...09:39
tsmithehttps://code.launchpad.net/products/spreadubuntu/+branches09:40
tsmithethere are five there09:40
tsmitheone mature, two abandoned, two new09:40
jendathe umag is abandoned.09:40
tsmitheok09:40
jendafixed09:40
jendaok, we're close to the two branches needed.09:41
tsmithei just fixed it!09:41
Burgworkponingru: honestly, you don't need another team09:41
jendatsmithe: we both did, then :)09:41
tsmithelol09:41
jendaponingru: I'll second that :)09:42
jendaponingru: I'd be starting Spreadubuntu team #3 by now.09:42
tsmitheso.. we gonna use dan's "CMS-ified" branch for the site, and yours for content?09:42
jendapretty much.09:42
tsmitheright ho09:42
jendaalthough dan put his branch under his name.09:42
jendaone of the abandoned branches is my first SU branch - under my name, I moved it to teh MT later.09:43
jendaThis way, only he has access.09:43
jenda(I think)09:43
tsmitheright09:43
tsmitheit should be set to the team09:43
jendaAnd even if not, it's better if it's /ubuntu-marketing/09:43
tsmitheyeah09:44
poningruBurgwork: I was hoping to make press team do more than just that project though09:44
poningrulike actually act as the contact for media09:44
Burgworkponingru: what else are they going todo? write press releases?09:44
jendawe've been down this road before09:45
jendaer... I have.09:45
tsmithewhat road?09:45
Burgworkpress releases and contacts to the media should be handled by canonical09:45
tsmitheponingru's?09:45
Burgworkin non-english, they should be handled by the locoteam09:45
jendaI tried to open a press team under the old mark eting team forum, and it was what began the argument between the 'leader' and me.09:45
jendaerr... I _opened_, not tried to.09:45
tsmitheargument? leader?09:46
jendaAnd a few days later, he took the entire thing down :)09:46
jendaYes, but that's half a year pass now.09:46
jendaHe was a self-invited Marketing Team Leader. And self-banished later on.09:46
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tsmitheyou know, i've never seen a fetch phase other then 1/409:46
jendaand did it finish?09:47
jendathe other three phases aren't 'fetch'09:47
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tsmitheit always finishes09:50
jendagood09:51
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poningrufrack09:56
poningruI dont know whether to make a team or not now09:56
poningruBurgwork: right09:56
poningrubut I dont think loco team members would want to do press release stuff09:56
Burgworkmake a project, it is less work09:56
Burgworkif it turns out you need a team later, it is easy to create one09:57
tsmitheponingru, who do you think wants to do the press release stuff?10:01
poningrumarketing+locoteam members10:02
tsmithebut you don't think loco team members would want to do press release stuff!10:02
tsmitheso us?10:02
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tsmitheargh!10:05
Burgworkany translated press releases should be closely coordinated with canonical10:05
tsmitheyes10:06
Burgworkand people can wear many hats, some of which overlap10:06
BurgworkI am both a Canadian and Marketing team member10:06
Burgworkhowever, there is no need to create a marketing-canada team for marketing in canada10:06
Burgworkthis is similar10:06
tsmithei am a briton and marketing team member10:07
tsmitheand there is no uk-marketing team10:07
Burgworknor should there be10:07
tsmithewhen there is a need for one, we will have one10:07
tsmithenot until then10:07
tsmithecrazy lag of doom!!!10:10
poningrusorry my cousins are here10:10
poningruso I will be in and out10:10
poningruhehe my aunt is interested in ubuntu10:11
jendashow her ;)10:12
poningruI am10:12
tonyyarussoponingru: Set up a digital projector and put it on the big screen for everyone to watch!10:18
jendawoohoo10:19
jendaplease vote: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30560510:19
tonyyarussoSo apparently people are actually noticing my little Ubuntu display, even if the CDs aren't flying out of it yet.10:20
tonyyarussoThe little page explaining what it was disappeared, and I had two people come find me to ask today.10:20
tonyyarussoGotta print off another one tonight.10:20
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poningrurofl10:20
tonyyarussoBurgwork: Re: press releases earlier, I've found the press releases Canonical sends out with new releases are not well-suited to people that have never heard of open source, Linux, or even know the distinction between "the computer" and "Microsoft Windows".10:34
Burgworktonyyarusso: given they are aimed at the tech press, I am not surprised10:34
tonyyarussoBurgwork: Nor am I10:34
tonyyarussoWe need press releases from somebody that are aimed differently, whether it's Canonical that writes them or community folks.10:35
Burgworkprobably10:35
BurgworkI have poked Christina at canonical several times, asking her to introduce herself, to no end10:36
Burgworkjust did so again10:37
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