[12:30] <Burgwork> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1890 <-- we should probably respond to this
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork: Why does that demand a response from us?
[04:04] <poningru> because we are cool like that
[04:04] <poningru> what are we talking about?
[04:05] <tonyyarusso> poningru: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1890
[04:05] <tonyyarusso> Burg quote: "<-- we should probably respond to this"
[04:06] <poningru> hmm
[04:06] <poningru> sigh
[04:06] <poningru> brb
[04:12] <elkbuntu> im not seeing a need to respond to it either. counter philosophise, maybe, but not respond directly
[04:23] <poningru> WHAT
[04:23] <poningru> thats...
[04:23] <poningru> wow
[04:24] <poningru> excuse my wandering from the coc path for a second here but...
[04:24] <poningru> thats utter bull
[05:24] <poningru> hey guys anyone mind if I make a press team under marketing team in lp?
[05:24] <poningru> is that even possible?
[05:44] <poningru> jenda: ping
[05:44] <poningru> anyone ping
[05:45] <poningru> I need to know how to make an email for the press team
[06:17] <poningru> HALP
[06:23] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Like a mailing list?
[06:24] <poningru> I guess so
[06:24] <poningru> when I tried making an lp team
[06:24] <poningru> it asked for a contact email addy
[06:24] <poningru> but I couldnt put mine own email addy
[06:25] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Yeah, that's a LP bug.  Dennis tells me the only way around it is if you have multiple addresses to use another one.
[06:31] <poningru> ...
[06:31] <poningru> lame
[06:32] <Madpilot> hi all
[06:32] <elkbuntu> hi Madpilot
[06:37] <wiiprush> elkbuntu: awake?
[06:37] <elkbuntu> wiiprush, good chance of it
[06:37] <Madpilot> wiiprush, has Nintendo sponsored your new IRC nick?
[06:38] <wiiprush> elkbuntu: http://www.whiprush.org/2006/11/an_event_captur.html
[06:38] <wiiprush> Madpilot: temporarily, yes.
[06:39] <elkbuntu> wiiprush, lol
[06:39] <wiiprush> heh
[06:40] <poningru> rofl
[06:42] <elkbuntu> wiiprush, we could do a whole album of embarrassing jono pics too... the bottle dance photos.. the one with him between the pole dance girls, http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfllaw/297147144/in/set-72157594375723807/
[06:43] <wiiprush> yeah
[06:43] <wiiprush> I didn't want to go too far
[06:43] <elkbuntu> hehe
[06:43] <elkbuntu> i think he'll be copping enough just from the bottle dance pics
[06:44] <wiiprush> those are some good pics though
[06:44] <elkbuntu> hell yeah
[06:48] <wiiprush> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfllaw/298880931/in/set-72157594375723807/
[06:48] <wiiprush> that one is so awesome
[06:49] <elkbuntu> niiice
[06:50] <elkbuntu> i havent been right through simon's pics yet
[08:19] <imbrandon> wiiprush: you see this http://boycottnovell.com/2006/11/22/suse-ubuntu/
[08:19] <wiiprush> yeah
[08:19] <imbrandon> "ubuntu trumps suse" ^^ and "freesuse.com bought, will there be a fork soon?" ^^
[08:19] <wiiprush> this entire 3 weeks has been nothing but ridiculousness
[08:20] <imbrandon> yea really
[08:20] <wiiprush> I don't even know if that's a word
[08:20] <imbrandon> i think it will go on for about 6 to 9 months then we'll see whats really gonna happen
[08:20] <imbrandon> hahaha
[08:20] <wiiprush> there was one dude I was laughing at out loud
[08:20] <wiiprush> sec
[08:20] <wiiprush> this is classic
[08:21] <imbrandon> i FINLAY bought the offical ubuntu book and jono's php book today, hopefully they will be here before next week
[08:21] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, i've had the official ubuntu book on order since like 3 weeks before UDS
[08:22] <imbrandon> lol
[08:22] <elkbuntu> im starting to think about going and harrassing them
[08:22] <imbrandon> i had a copy a while back but i gave it away at our lug as a "prize"
[08:22] <imbrandon> now this one is for me
[08:22] <elkbuntu> aha :)
[08:23] <wiiprush> http://boycottnovell.com/2006/11/22/suse-ubuntu/
[08:23] <wiiprush> oops
[08:23] <wiiprush> wrong url
[08:23] <wiiprush> sec
[08:23] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:23] <imbrandon> i was like umm thats what i just pasted :)
[08:23] <wiiprush> http://lovesunix.net/blog/?p=150
[08:23] <wiiprush> "3) Replace Beagle with Tracker, it.s saddens me a bit to be honest. I generally like Mono and I.m a huge C# syntax fan. But it just kills small rigs and with the now imfamous Novell/Microsoft deal the legal aspect of Mono is once again in limbo as I understand. The saddest thing for me about removing Mono from my system had to be loosing Banshee. I grew really fond of the 0.11 series, it was nice and stable and it has the be
[08:24] <wiiprush> so this dude
[08:24] <wiiprush> reads like /. or something
[08:24] <wiiprush> and is like "I am going to remove mono."
[08:24] <imbrandon> hahaha
[08:24] <elkbuntu> rofl
[08:24] <imbrandon> dude do they not realize mono is a ecma standard ?
[08:24] <imbrandon> err c#
[08:25] <imbrandon> 1934 iirc , i might be wrong on the number
[08:25] <wiiprush> this entire novell thing is awesome
[08:25] <imbrandon> but still
[08:25] <wiiprush> you have these people like "fuck suse, they made a deal with MS."
[08:25] <wiiprush> and we ship more mono stuff on our CD than anyone.
[08:25] <imbrandon> right
[08:25] <imbrandon> heh
[08:25] <poningru> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/loco-press-releases
[08:26] <imbrandon> not only that , if they actauly read the novel stuff it was all about the IP /novell/ owns in MS office, not the other way
[08:26] <imbrandon> wiiprush: ^
[08:26] <imbrandon> balmer just fucked up, and its funny that MS made another press release saying so
[08:26] <imbrandon> errr CoC , i dident say F*cked
[08:27] <wiiprush> dude ballmer has been rattling that IP sword for going on two years now.
[08:27] <imbrandon> yea
[08:27] <imbrandon> if not more
[08:27] <imbrandon> and its funny when the other hand realeases things like windows ce6 opensource, the right not knowing the left hand is doing
[08:27] <imbrandon> etc etc etc
[08:28] <imbrandon> its all the old timers at MS thats screwing things up
[08:28] <wiiprush> well, what kind of pissess me off
[08:28] <wiiprush> is that novell is obviously listening to its customers
[08:28] <imbrandon> if MS released every bit of code GPL today except MS office and made MS Office use ODF , they would make billions
[08:28] <wiiprush> they don't care about what we care about
[08:28] <imbrandon> and billions more
[08:28] <imbrandon> right
[08:28] <wiiprush> they just want their shit to work
[08:28] <imbrandon> exactly, they dont care HOW
[08:29] <imbrandon> just that it DOES
[08:29] <wiiprush> and for better or worse novell tries to fulfill that need.
[08:29] <wiiprush> because they do afterall, have to make money
[08:29] <imbrandon> kinda like the OSX crowd, its unixy enough for geeks but JUST WORKS, and i think thats whats picked up apple in the tech crowd lately
[08:30] <wiiprush> well, I won't go that far.
[08:30] <wiiprush> but I will say that novell and MS are listening to customers
[08:30] <wiiprush> and customers don't care about the gpl
[08:30] <wiiprush> or freedom
[08:30] <wiiprush> or whatever
[08:30] <wiiprush> they want their shit to work.
[08:31] <imbrandon> well not in the same respects, the do when it effects their pocketbooks later but they dont think about that untill two years into the lockin
[08:31] <imbrandon> when something go's wrong
[08:31] <imbrandon> but yea , thats pretty much the whole thing, they dont really care
[08:31] <imbrandon> they just want shit to work
[08:32] <imbrandon> in the long run i think its gonna create 3 teirs of OS's instead of mostly 2 now , there really is 3 now but it will be blured even less in the months to come
[08:32] <imbrandon> in that .....
[08:32] <imbrandon> you have MS windows ( / OSX )
[08:33] <imbrandon> then you have linux with openly closed source crap by big guys like novel
[08:33] <imbrandon> and the gap between them and like ubuntu or debian will widen as they wont ork togather as much
[08:33] <imbrandon> anhd you'll have free in every sense of the word os's
[08:34] <nixternal> you guys have read the statement about ballmer saying it is possiple that every developer owes microsoft money over intellectual property?
[08:34] <imbrandon> all three exist today but the line between the linuxe's is blurred
[08:34] <wiiprush> imbrandon: it's funny you mention that
[08:34] <imbrandon> and it wontbe imho
[08:34] <imbrandon> in the time to come
[08:34] <wiiprush> "openly closed source crap" = novell
[08:34] <wiiprush> it takes an MS deal to make everyone switch from suse
[08:34] <nixternal> NSOSS == Not So Open Source
[08:34] <wiiprush> you'd think YAST would have been a better reason
[08:35] <imbrandon> right, thats what i mean, it exists today , but this will widen the gap
[08:35] <imbrandon> and make people look more closely i think
[08:35] <imbrandon> and essentialy creat two teirs of linux
[08:35] <wiiprush> "i've had enough of Novell being an MS lapdog, I'm switching to kubuntu."
[08:35] <imbrandon> heheh :)
[08:36] <imbrandon> hrm, i never really put that into so many words, maybe i'll make a blog post about it and see if i can get soem feedback
[08:36] <imbrandon> ( and not a flamewar )
[08:37] <imbrandon> hey wiiprush you've written for some magizines right ?
[08:38] <imbrandon> ( spelled correctly of course )
[08:38] <imbrandon> brb mt dew
[08:38] <wiiprush> imbrandon: a few
[08:38] <poningru> anyone have any opinions, rants about that spec?
[02:14] <jenda> poningru: Are you sure it would require a subteam?
[02:18] <elkbuntu> omg, it's a matthewrevell!
[02:20] <jenda> omg :)
[02:20] <jenda> Hello matt.
[02:21] <matthewrevell> Hello peeps
[02:24] <elkbuntu> :)
[02:24] <elkbuntu> are you a daddy by now?
[02:26] <tonyyarusso> We'd be seing hundreds of links to flickr albums if so
[02:26] <tonyyarusso> *seeing
[02:26] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, not necessarily
[02:27] <tonyyarusso> Well, if any of the new parents I've known are any indication
[02:27] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Note yet. He's overdue by one day now.
[02:28] <matthewrevell> s/note/not
[02:28] <elkbuntu> matthewrevell, aha.
[02:28] <elkbuntu> i suspected as much, since i'm sure jono would have mentioned something if it had happened
[02:28] <elkbuntu> or we would have seen a blog
[02:28] <elkbuntu> or something
[02:29] <matthewrevell> Yeah, I imagine I'll post a blog entry :)
[02:29] <tonyyarusso> I was overdue by five days.
[02:29] <tonyyarusso> My older sister came five _weeks_ early.
[02:30] <elkbuntu> i was overdue by 10 days
[02:30] <tonyyarusso> I was also really mean in the size department...
[02:39] <jenda> My nephew was huge.
[02:39] <jenda> 4.8 kg
[02:39] <tonyyarusso> Hold on, let me convert
[02:40] <tonyyarusso> jenda: 4.37 for me
[02:40] <jenda> huge too :)
[02:42] <tonyyarusso> yep
[02:43] <jenda> So far, it's a profitable business :-D The people tend to send more than asked for, because they're surprised that the CD come even if they don't pay anything.
[02:44] <tonyyarusso> You mean you send them before payment?
[02:44] <jenda> yes
[02:44] <jenda> I barely even ask for a payment.
[02:45] <tonyyarusso> cool
[06:00] <KenSentMe> jenda: ping
[06:00] <jenda> KABOOM
[06:00] <KenSentMe> aah
[06:01] <KenSentMe> I've received the ubuntu stickers today, but i didn't get the posters
[06:01] <KenSentMe> Did you send them together?
[06:01] <jenda> patience... ;)
[06:01] <jenda> yes
[06:01] <KenSentMe> Ah, ok
[06:01] <jenda> I doubt they were processed together, though.
[06:01] <KenSentMe> Well, just checking if maybe something went wrong
[06:02] <KenSentMe> But i'll be patient then ;)
[06:05] <jenda> give it a few more days ;)
[06:05] <jenda> Enjoy the stickers in the meantime.
[06:05] <jenda> How are they?
[06:05] <KenSentMe> I sure will
[06:05] <KenSentMe> They look good
[06:05] <KenSentMe> Haven't tested them on my car yet :)
[06:06] <jenda> Please do tell how they cope ;)
[06:06] <jenda> They are high-quality MenZa-work.
[06:06] <KenSentMe> jenda: well it's the right season for wheater testing. It rains all day here in holland
[06:06] <jenda> beautiful :)
[06:07] <KenSentMe> Too bad my car is in the garage for broken windshieldwipers
[06:09] <jenda> ooh :(
[07:16] <jenda> ocuh
[07:16] <jenda> ouch
[07:53] <poningru> hehe
[07:53] <poningru> yarr
[08:06] <lotusleaf> lol
[08:06] <lotusleaf> I must be the only one in the States on freenode right now
[08:07] <lotusleaf> ompaul: yo
[08:07] <MenZa> gnewsense
[08:09] <ompaul> MenZa, why would you?
[08:09] <ompaul> seems like a waste of effort
[08:09] <ompaul> lotusleaf, evening
[08:09] <MenZa> ompaul: no, my belief that, at this point, a computer cannot be used completely running only free software combined with the fact that my doctor's instructed me to get more excercise, yes.
[08:10] <MenZa> s/yes/I don't think so
[08:10] <MenZa> ._.
[08:11] <ompaul> MenZa, I don't know, the chairman of the board told me this very evening that I would be installing gnucash for him for one of his projects
[08:12] <ompaul> MenZa, and he has a dislike of not having choice that is what has build the company from 3 guys 25 years ago in a depression starting out on their own and now having 70 people working for them
[08:12] <ompaul> he wanted choice
[08:18] <poningru> though its already done
[08:18] <poningru> and I already set the table
[08:18] <poningru> so its all good
[08:19] <ompaul> turkey hu?
[08:19] <ompaul> well here is one for ya
[08:19] <poningru> so yeah happy thanksgiving everyone
[08:19] <ompaul> we don't eat turkey today
[08:19] <poningru> arr?
[08:22] <ompaul> it ain't no thanksgiving day here
[08:25] <MenZa> I think?
[08:25] <ompaul> correct
[08:26] <MenZa> Huzzah!
[08:27] <MenZa> I dunno, War was better.
[08:27] <MenZa> :p
[08:28] <ompaul> ohh this is not somewhere else ;-)
[08:28] <ompaul> we are slightly offtopic
[08:33] <poningru> dude...
[08:33] <poningru> gnusense???
[08:37] <MenZa> poningru: ...omgpaul?
[08:37] <MenZa> ROFL
[08:37] <jenda> MenZa: just got a packagy-pack.
[08:37] <jenda> thanks :)
[08:37] <MenZa> not at all
[08:37] <MenZa> :)
[08:38] <MenZa> 'scuse the wrapping
[08:38] <MenZa> Did it at work, was lazy
[08:38] <jenda> I totally love the wrapping.
[08:38] <jenda> anything arrive on your side yet?
[08:44] <MenZa> jenda: nope
[08:47] <jenda> aww
[08:47] <jenda> few more days, I guess.
[08:49] <poningru> MenZa: thats his new name
[08:49] <poningru> its omgpaul
[08:49] <MenZa> jenda: :D
[08:50] <jenda> 
[08:53] <tsmithe> ping poningru
[08:54] <jenda> MenZa: would you like to sell those stickers yourself, if there's still demand once I run out?
[08:54] <jenda> The kinda rock, you know :)
[08:54] <MenZa> jenda: possibly, I'm very busy :\
[08:54] <poningru> tsmithe: ping
[08:54] <poningru> errr pong
[08:54] <tsmithe> which stickers are these?
[08:54] <tsmithe> poningru, hang on
[08:54] <jenda> big round logo stickers.
[08:54] <tsmithe> cool
[08:54] <tsmithe> linky?
[08:55] <tsmithe> poningru, I added some points to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/PressTeam/EPK as i said i woud
[08:55] <poningru> anyone know of a method to wget a site.com/something/*
[08:55] <poningru> sweet
[08:55] <tsmithe> anything else to add?
[08:55] <poningru> thanks man
[08:55] <poningru> working on the spec
[08:55] <tsmithe> cool
[08:55] <poningru> look on the loco-press-release spec
[08:55] <tsmithe> will do
[08:55] <poningru> forgot the nam eof it
[08:55] <tsmithe> lol
[08:56] <jenda> poningru: downthemall firefox extension works great.
[08:57] <jenda> poningru: please consider not creating a sub-team on launchpad - we would soon have a million :)
[08:58] <tsmithe> poningru, you should really link the spec to the wiki page ;)
[08:58] <tsmithe> so i can see it, and add my comments
[09:00] <tsmithe> oh, and jenda, how do i check out a bzr branch?
[09:00] <poningru> jenda: hmm ok
[09:00] <tsmithe> bzr co <what?>
[09:00] <poningru> tsmithe: true that
[09:00] <jenda> tsmithe: the http://URL of the branch
[09:01] <Burgwork> poningru: only create a seperate team if you already have a large number of people that don't seem to fit into the marketing team
[09:01] <Burgwork> which you probably don't
[09:01] <jenda> poningru: OTOH, don't feel obliged to follow what I say ;)
[09:01] <tsmithe> what would the url be for the diy site stuffs then, jenda?
[09:01] <jenda> ah
[09:02] <jenda> https://code.launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-marketing/+branch/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu
[09:02] <poningru> hehe
[09:02] <tsmithe> jenda: sorry - i just worked it out ;)
[09:02] <tsmithe> thanks anyway
[09:02] <jenda> np
[09:14] <tsmithe> urgh branch is big
[09:14] <tsmithe> ah well
[09:14] <tsmithe> this first slog is the longest
[09:16] <jenda> yeah, it's over 100 MiB, sorry :)
[09:18] <tsmithe> so that's 10 minutes on this connection
[09:18] <tsmithe> not too bad
[09:27] <tsmithe> err... on that branch, the posters page isn't up to date
[09:27] <tsmithe> can't we keep everything in one place?
[09:27] <tsmithe> surely that's the point of version control
[09:28] <tsmithe> never mind
[09:29] <tsmithe> :P
[09:29] <tsmithe> hang on
[09:29] <tsmithe> that's not up to date either
[09:29] <tsmithe> ...
[09:29] <poningru> grr I am gonan put this upto a vote
[09:29] <tsmithe> poningru, what?
[09:29] <Burgwork> poningru: hmm?
[09:30] <tsmithe> "gonan"? vote?
[09:31] <poningru> gonna
[09:31] <poningru> :P
[09:31] <poningru> email the -marketing to ask if we should make a press team
[09:31] <tsmithe> ok
[09:35] <Burgwork> poningru: voting is a sign that consensus has failed
[09:35] <poningru> yeah
[09:35] <poningru> I think I am just gonna make the team
[09:35] <Burgwork> poningru: you only need a team if you have a large number of people that don't clearly fit within the marketing team
[09:35] <Burgwork> which I don't see
[09:35] <tsmithe> can someone with access to that branch update it? i'm just checking out dan buch's branch to see if that is more up to date, although launchpad suggests otherwise
[09:36] <jenda> tsmithe: the bzr branch isn't as up-to date as the diy.devubuntu.ftp - that's a working version.
[09:36] <poningru> Burgwork: the problem is that not everyone in marketing wants to be involved in press stuff
[09:36] <Burgwork> poningru: so
[09:36] <tsmithe> jenda, i think you meant ".com" ;)
[09:36] <tsmithe> plus, where does that get it's source from?
[09:36] <Burgwork> I don't much care about diy stuff, but that doesn't mean I have a seperate team for it
[09:36] <tsmithe> not bzr?
[09:36] <poningru> Burgwork: oh not diy
[09:37] <poningru> Burgwork: this is for portion of marketing to work with canonical
[09:37] <jenda> tsmithe: yes, .com
[09:37] <Burgwork> all marketing works with canonical to some degree
[09:37] <jenda> and it gets source from ftp, by dan and me.
[09:37] <tsmithe> bah
[09:37] <poningru> so that we can do things like localized press releases at the same time
[09:37] <tsmithe> jenda, that's no good!
[09:37] <poningru> Burgwork: right
[09:37] <Burgwork> that is simply a project with the marketing team
[09:38] <tsmithe> jenda, what if others want to help?
[09:38] <jenda> tsmithe: it's a working version, and it's a lot faster than bzr'ing
[09:38] <poningru> right... but we can be a subset of marketing team
[09:38] <Burgwork> as a project
[09:38] <Burgwork> there is no need for YAT
[09:38] <jenda> tsmithe: then they ask, and we start coordinating.
[09:38] <poningru> but it would'nt be just another project
[09:38] <jenda> I guess we could open a new branch. I'll contact the launchpad folks.
[09:38] <Burgwork> yes it would
[09:39] <Burgwork> poningru: it is no more unique the diy or the UWN
[09:39] <tsmithe> jenda, indeed... but bzr is more open... and if people aren't happy with it, its speed looks set to improve
[09:39] <tsmithe> and i'd like to help
[09:39] <tsmithe> jenda, why a new branch? we already have a few
[09:39] <jenda> One branch for the website, one branch for the content. Makes sense to me - what do you say, tsmithe?
[09:39] <tsmithe> sounds good
[09:39] <tsmithe> but we should also clean up the old branches
[09:39] <jenda> I don't know any other branches.
[09:39] <tsmithe> err...
[09:40] <tsmithe> https://code.launchpad.net/products/spreadubuntu/+branches
[09:40] <tsmithe> there are five there
[09:40] <tsmithe> one mature, two abandoned, two new
[09:40] <jenda> the umag is abandoned.
[09:40] <tsmithe> ok
[09:40] <jenda> fixed
[09:41] <jenda> ok, we're close to the two branches needed.
[09:41] <tsmithe> i just fixed it!
[09:41] <Burgwork> poningru: honestly, you don't need another team
[09:41] <jenda> tsmithe: we both did, then :)
[09:41] <tsmithe> lol
[09:42] <jenda> poningru: I'll second that :)
[09:42] <jenda> poningru: I'd be starting Spreadubuntu team #3 by now.
[09:42] <tsmithe> so.. we gonna use dan's "CMS-ified" branch for the site, and yours for content?
[09:42] <jenda> pretty much.
[09:42] <tsmithe> right ho
[09:42] <jenda> although dan put his branch under his name.
[09:43] <jenda> one of the abandoned branches is my first SU branch - under my name, I moved it to teh MT later.
[09:43] <jenda> This way, only he has access.
[09:43] <jenda> (I think)
[09:43] <tsmithe> right
[09:43] <tsmithe> it should be set to the team
[09:43] <jenda> And even if not, it's better if it's /ubuntu-marketing/
[09:44] <tsmithe> yeah
[09:44] <poningru> Burgwork: I was hoping to make press team do more than just that project though
[09:44] <poningru> like actually act as the contact for media
[09:44] <Burgwork> poningru: what else are they going todo? write press releases?
[09:45] <jenda> we've been down this road before
[09:45] <jenda> er... I have.
[09:45] <tsmithe> what road?
[09:45] <Burgwork> press releases and contacts to the media should be handled by canonical
[09:45] <tsmithe> poningru's?
[09:45] <Burgwork> in non-english, they should be handled by the locoteam
[09:45] <jenda> I tried to open a press team under the old mark eting team forum, and it was what began the argument between the 'leader' and me.
[09:45] <jenda> err... I _opened_, not tried to.
[09:46] <tsmithe> argument? leader?
[09:46] <jenda> And a few days later, he took the entire thing down :)
[09:46] <jenda> Yes, but that's half a year pass now.
[09:46] <jenda> He was a self-invited Marketing Team Leader. And self-banished later on.
[09:46] <tsmithe> you know, i've never seen a fetch phase other then 1/4
[09:47] <jenda> and did it finish?
[09:47] <jenda> the other three phases aren't 'fetch'
[09:50] <tsmithe> it always finishes
[09:51] <jenda> good
[09:56] <poningru> frack
[09:56] <poningru> I dont know whether to make a team or not now
[09:56] <poningru> Burgwork: right
[09:56] <poningru> but I dont think loco team members would want to do press release stuff
[09:56] <Burgwork> make a project, it is less work
[09:57] <Burgwork> if it turns out you need a team later, it is easy to create one
[10:01] <tsmithe> poningru, who do you think wants to do the press release stuff?
[10:02] <poningru> marketing+locoteam members
[10:02] <tsmithe> but you don't think loco team members would want to do press release stuff!
[10:02] <tsmithe> so us?
[10:05] <tsmithe> argh!
[10:05] <Burgwork> any translated press releases should be closely coordinated with canonical
[10:06] <tsmithe> yes
[10:06] <Burgwork> and people can wear many hats, some of which overlap
[10:06] <Burgwork> I am both a Canadian and Marketing team member
[10:06] <Burgwork> however, there is no need to create a marketing-canada team for marketing in canada
[10:06] <Burgwork> this is similar
[10:07] <tsmithe> i am a briton and marketing team member
[10:07] <tsmithe> and there is no uk-marketing team
[10:07] <Burgwork> nor should there be
[10:07] <tsmithe> when there is a need for one, we will have one
[10:07] <tsmithe> not until then
[10:10] <tsmithe> crazy lag of doom!!!
[10:10] <poningru> sorry my cousins are here
[10:10] <poningru> so I will be in and out
[10:11] <poningru> hehe my aunt is interested in ubuntu
[10:12] <jenda> show her ;)
[10:12] <poningru> I am
[10:18] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Set up a digital projector and put it on the big screen for everyone to watch!
[10:19] <jenda> woohoo
[10:19] <jenda> please vote: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=305605
[10:20] <tonyyarusso> So apparently people are actually noticing my little Ubuntu display, even if the CDs aren't flying out of it yet.
[10:20] <tonyyarusso> The little page explaining what it was disappeared, and I had two people come find me to ask today.
[10:20] <tonyyarusso> Gotta print off another one tonight.
[10:20] <poningru> rofl
[10:34] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork: Re: press releases earlier, I've found the press releases Canonical sends out with new releases are not well-suited to people that have never heard of open source, Linux, or even know the distinction between "the computer" and "Microsoft Windows".
[10:34] <Burgwork> tonyyarusso: given they are aimed at the tech press, I am not surprised
[10:34] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork: Nor am I
[10:35] <tonyyarusso> We need press releases from somebody that are aimed differently, whether it's Canonical that writes them or community folks.
[10:35] <Burgwork> probably
[10:36] <Burgwork> I have poked Christina at canonical several times, asking her to introduce herself, to no end
[10:37] <Burgwork> just did so again