[12:30] http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1890 <-- we should probably respond to this === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S0106000393c442d8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@adsl-65-68-201-54.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-243-246-253.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:03] Burgwork: Why does that demand a response from us? [04:04] because we are cool like that [04:04] what are we talking about? [04:05] poningru: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1890 [04:05] Burg quote: "<-- we should probably respond to this" [04:06] hmm [04:06] sigh [04:06] brb [04:12] im not seeing a need to respond to it either. counter philosophise, maybe, but not respond directly [04:23] WHAT [04:23] thats... [04:23] wow [04:24] excuse my wandering from the coc path for a second here but... [04:24] thats utter bull === tonyyserver [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === REd_Herring|asdf is now known as Red_Herring [05:24] hey guys anyone mind if I make a press team under marketing team in lp? [05:24] is that even possible? [05:44] jenda: ping [05:44] anyone ping [05:45] I need to know how to make an email for the press team [06:17] HALP [06:23] poningru: Like a mailing list? [06:24] I guess so [06:24] when I tried making an lp team [06:24] it asked for a contact email addy [06:24] but I couldnt put mine own email addy [06:25] poningru: Yeah, that's a LP bug. Dennis tells me the only way around it is if you have multiple addresses to use another one. === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [06:31] ... [06:31] lame [06:32] hi all [06:32] hi Madpilot [06:37] elkbuntu: awake? [06:37] wiiprush, good chance of it [06:37] wiiprush, has Nintendo sponsored your new IRC nick? [06:38] elkbuntu: http://www.whiprush.org/2006/11/an_event_captur.html [06:38] Madpilot: temporarily, yes. [06:39] wiiprush, lol [06:39] heh [06:40] rofl [06:42] wiiprush, we could do a whole album of embarrassing jono pics too... the bottle dance photos.. the one with him between the pole dance girls, http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfllaw/297147144/in/set-72157594375723807/ [06:43] yeah [06:43] I didn't want to go too far [06:43] hehe [06:43] i think he'll be copping enough just from the bottle dance pics [06:44] those are some good pics though [06:44] hell yeah [06:48] http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfllaw/298880931/in/set-72157594375723807/ [06:48] that one is so awesome [06:49] niiice [06:50] i havent been right through simon's pics yet === macluvjay [n=jthigpen@211.191.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === poningru wants those tshirts [08:19] wiiprush: you see this http://boycottnovell.com/2006/11/22/suse-ubuntu/ [08:19] yeah [08:19] "ubuntu trumps suse" ^^ and "freesuse.com bought, will there be a fork soon?" ^^ [08:19] this entire 3 weeks has been nothing but ridiculousness [08:20] yea really [08:20] I don't even know if that's a word [08:20] i think it will go on for about 6 to 9 months then we'll see whats really gonna happen [08:20] hahaha [08:20] there was one dude I was laughing at out loud [08:20] sec [08:20] this is classic [08:21] i FINLAY bought the offical ubuntu book and jono's php book today, hopefully they will be here before next week === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [08:21] imbrandon, i've had the official ubuntu book on order since like 3 weeks before UDS [08:22] lol [08:22] im starting to think about going and harrassing them [08:22] i had a copy a while back but i gave it away at our lug as a "prize" [08:22] now this one is for me [08:22] aha :) [08:23] http://boycottnovell.com/2006/11/22/suse-ubuntu/ [08:23] oops [08:23] wrong url [08:23] sec [08:23] hehe [08:23] i was like umm thats what i just pasted :) [08:23] http://lovesunix.net/blog/?p=150 [08:23] "3) Replace Beagle with Tracker, it.s saddens me a bit to be honest. I generally like Mono and I.m a huge C# syntax fan. But it just kills small rigs and with the now imfamous Novell/Microsoft deal the legal aspect of Mono is once again in limbo as I understand. The saddest thing for me about removing Mono from my system had to be loosing Banshee. I grew really fond of the 0.11 series, it was nice and stable and it has the be [08:24] so this dude [08:24] reads like /. or something [08:24] and is like "I am going to remove mono." [08:24] hahaha [08:24] rofl [08:24] dude do they not realize mono is a ecma standard ? [08:24] err c# [08:25] 1934 iirc , i might be wrong on the number [08:25] this entire novell thing is awesome [08:25] but still [08:25] you have these people like "fuck suse, they made a deal with MS." [08:25] and we ship more mono stuff on our CD than anyone. [08:25] right [08:25] heh [08:25] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/loco-press-releases [08:26] not only that , if they actauly read the novel stuff it was all about the IP /novell/ owns in MS office, not the other way [08:26] wiiprush: ^ [08:26] balmer just fucked up, and its funny that MS made another press release saying so [08:26] errr CoC , i dident say F*cked [08:27] dude ballmer has been rattling that IP sword for going on two years now. [08:27] yea [08:27] if not more [08:27] and its funny when the other hand realeases things like windows ce6 opensource, the right not knowing the left hand is doing [08:27] etc etc etc [08:28] its all the old timers at MS thats screwing things up [08:28] well, what kind of pissess me off [08:28] is that novell is obviously listening to its customers [08:28] if MS released every bit of code GPL today except MS office and made MS Office use ODF , they would make billions [08:28] they don't care about what we care about [08:28] and billions more [08:28] right [08:28] they just want their shit to work [08:28] exactly, they dont care HOW [08:29] just that it DOES [08:29] and for better or worse novell tries to fulfill that need. [08:29] because they do afterall, have to make money [08:29] kinda like the OSX crowd, its unixy enough for geeks but JUST WORKS, and i think thats whats picked up apple in the tech crowd lately [08:30] well, I won't go that far. [08:30] but I will say that novell and MS are listening to customers [08:30] and customers don't care about the gpl [08:30] or freedom [08:30] or whatever [08:30] they want their shit to work. [08:31] well not in the same respects, the do when it effects their pocketbooks later but they dont think about that untill two years into the lockin [08:31] when something go's wrong [08:31] but yea , thats pretty much the whole thing, they dont really care [08:31] they just want shit to work [08:32] in the long run i think its gonna create 3 teirs of OS's instead of mostly 2 now , there really is 3 now but it will be blured even less in the months to come [08:32] in that ..... [08:32] you have MS windows ( / OSX ) [08:33] then you have linux with openly closed source crap by big guys like novel [08:33] and the gap between them and like ubuntu or debian will widen as they wont ork togather as much [08:33] anhd you'll have free in every sense of the word os's [08:34] you guys have read the statement about ballmer saying it is possiple that every developer owes microsoft money over intellectual property? [08:34] all three exist today but the line between the linuxe's is blurred [08:34] imbrandon: it's funny you mention that [08:34] and it wontbe imho [08:34] in the time to come [08:34] "openly closed source crap" = novell [08:34] it takes an MS deal to make everyone switch from suse [08:34] NSOSS == Not So Open Source [08:34] you'd think YAST would have been a better reason === davehat [n=David@212.49.74.253] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [08:35] right, thats what i mean, it exists today , but this will widen the gap [08:35] and make people look more closely i think [08:35] and essentialy creat two teirs of linux [08:35] "i've had enough of Novell being an MS lapdog, I'm switching to kubuntu." [08:35] heheh :) [08:36] hrm, i never really put that into so many words, maybe i'll make a blog post about it and see if i can get soem feedback [08:36] ( and not a flamewar ) === imbrandon grabs a mt dew and opens wordpress [08:37] hey wiiprush you've written for some magizines right ? [08:38] ( spelled correctly of course ) [08:38] brb mt dew [08:38] imbrandon: a few [08:38] anyone have any opinions, rants about that spec? === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === zen-afk [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === danbuch929 [n=emelia@70-39-156-18.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Red_Herring [n=rj@c-67-162-70-40.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === matthewrevell [i=synchron@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === willvdl [n=Will@vc-196-207-32-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:14] poningru: Are you sure it would require a subteam? [02:18] omg, it's a matthewrevell! [02:20] omg :) [02:20] Hello matt. [02:21] Hello peeps === matthewrevell coming out of hermit-like status [02:24] :) [02:24] are you a daddy by now? [02:26] We'd be seing hundreds of links to flickr albums if so [02:26] *seeing [02:26] tonyyarusso, not necessarily [02:27] Well, if any of the new parents I've known are any indication [02:27] elkbuntu: Note yet. He's overdue by one day now. [02:28] s/note/not [02:28] matthewrevell, aha. [02:28] i suspected as much, since i'm sure jono would have mentioned something if it had happened [02:28] or we would have seen a blog [02:28] or something [02:29] Yeah, I imagine I'll post a blog entry :) [02:29] I was overdue by five days. [02:29] My older sister came five _weeks_ early. [02:30] i was overdue by 10 days [02:30] I was also really mean in the size department... [02:39] My nephew was huge. [02:39] 4.8 kg [02:39] Hold on, let me convert [02:40] jenda: 4.37 for me [02:40] huge too :) [02:42] yep === jenda is shipit for the Czech Republic. [02:43] So far, it's a profitable business :-D The people tend to send more than asked for, because they're surprised that the CD come even if they don't pay anything. [02:44] You mean you send them before payment? [02:44] yes [02:44] I barely even ask for a payment. [02:45] cool === willvdl [n=Will@dsl-243-136-191.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === MenZa [n=menza@last.fm/subscriber/MenZa] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === matthewrevell [i=synchron@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] === macluvjay [n=jthigpen@211.191.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === imbrandon [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === willvdl [n=will@dsl-243-136-191.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === rexbron [n=rexbron@keele-b240-241.airyork.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === zenrox__ [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [06:00] jenda: ping [06:00] KABOOM [06:00] aah [06:01] I've received the ubuntu stickers today, but i didn't get the posters [06:01] Did you send them together? [06:01] patience... ;) [06:01] yes [06:01] Ah, ok [06:01] I doubt they were processed together, though. [06:01] Well, just checking if maybe something went wrong [06:02] But i'll be patient then ;) [06:05] give it a few more days ;) [06:05] Enjoy the stickers in the meantime. [06:05] How are they? [06:05] I sure will [06:05] They look good [06:05] Haven't tested them on my car yet :) [06:06] Please do tell how they cope ;) [06:06] They are high-quality MenZa-work. [06:06] jenda: well it's the right season for wheater testing. It rains all day here in holland [06:06] beautiful :) [06:07] Too bad my car is in the garage for broken windshieldwipers [06:09] ooh :( === MenZa bounces on jenda [07:16] ocuh [07:16] ouch [07:53] hehe [07:53] yarr === lotusleaf flaps arms and gobbles === MenZa shoots lotusleaf and cooks him [08:06] lol [08:06] I must be the only one in the States on freenode right now === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [08:07] ompaul: yo [08:07] gnewsense === MenZa shakes head sadly [08:09] MenZa, why would you? [08:09] seems like a waste of effort [08:09] lotusleaf, evening [08:09] ompaul: no, my belief that, at this point, a computer cannot be used completely running only free software combined with the fact that my doctor's instructed me to get more excercise, yes. [08:10] s/yes/I don't think so [08:10] ._. [08:11] MenZa, I don't know, the chairman of the board told me this very evening that I would be installing gnucash for him for one of his projects [08:12] MenZa, and he has a dislike of not having choice that is what has build the company from 3 guys 25 years ago in a depression starting out on their own and now having 70 people working for them [08:12] he wanted choice === poningru is home helping his mother cook teh turkey [08:18] though its already done [08:18] and I already set the table [08:18] so its all good [08:19] turkey hu? [08:19] well here is one for ya [08:19] so yeah happy thanksgiving everyone [08:19] we don't eat turkey today === rexbron [n=rexbron@keele-b240-21.airyork.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [08:19] arr? === poningru gets confoozled some by omgpaul [08:22] it ain't no thanksgiving day here === ompaul points to the fact that I never once stepped foot inside the US === MenZa pets ompaul's Irishmanship [08:25] I think? [08:25] correct [08:26] Huzzah! === ompaul plays U2 18 === MenZa does so also [08:27] I dunno, War was better. [08:27] :p === MenZa puts on Vertigo anywho [08:28] ohh this is not somewhere else ;-) [08:28] we are slightly offtopic === poningru wonders where omgpaul is [08:33] dude... [08:33] gnusense??? === rexbron [n=rexbron@keele-b240-21.airyork.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [08:37] poningru: ...omgpaul? [08:37] ROFL [08:37] MenZa: just got a packagy-pack. [08:37] thanks :) [08:37] not at all [08:37] :) [08:38] 'scuse the wrapping [08:38] Did it at work, was lazy [08:38] I totally love the wrapping. [08:38] anything arrive on your side yet? === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [08:44] jenda: nope [08:47] aww [08:47] few more days, I guess. [08:49] MenZa: thats his new name [08:49] its omgpaul [08:49] jenda: :D [08:50] === tsmithe [n=_t_@82-70-109-22.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [08:53] ping poningru [08:54] MenZa: would you like to sell those stickers yourself, if there's still demand once I run out? [08:54] The kinda rock, you know :) [08:54] jenda: possibly, I'm very busy :\ [08:54] tsmithe: ping [08:54] errr pong [08:54] which stickers are these? [08:54] poningru, hang on [08:54] big round logo stickers. [08:54] cool [08:54] linky? [08:55] poningru, I added some points to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/PressTeam/EPK as i said i woud [08:55] anyone know of a method to wget a site.com/something/* [08:55] sweet [08:55] anything else to add? [08:55] thanks man [08:55] working on the spec [08:55] cool [08:55] look on the loco-press-release spec [08:55] will do [08:55] forgot the nam eof it [08:55] lol [08:56] poningru: downthemall firefox extension works great. [08:57] poningru: please consider not creating a sub-team on launchpad - we would soon have a million :) === BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@adsl-65-68-201-54.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [08:58] poningru, you should really link the spec to the wiki page ;) [08:58] so i can see it, and add my comments [09:00] oh, and jenda, how do i check out a bzr branch? [09:00] jenda: hmm ok [09:00] bzr co [09:00] tsmithe: true that [09:00] tsmithe: the http://URL of the branch [09:01] poningru: only create a seperate team if you already have a large number of people that don't seem to fit into the marketing team [09:01] which you probably don't [09:01] poningru: OTOH, don't feel obliged to follow what I say ;) [09:01] what would the url be for the diy site stuffs then, jenda? [09:01] ah [09:02] https://code.launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-marketing/+branch/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu [09:02] hehe [09:02] jenda: sorry - i just worked it out ;) [09:02] thanks anyway [09:02] np === Red_Herring is now known as Red_Herring|asdf === tsmithe installs bzr on his server so he can see the code in action ... [09:14] urgh branch is big [09:14] ah well [09:14] this first slog is the longest [09:16] yeah, it's over 100 MiB, sorry :) [09:18] so that's 10 minutes on this connection [09:18] not too bad === rexbron [n=rexbron@keele-b240-21.airyork.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [09:27] err... on that branch, the posters page isn't up to date [09:27] can't we keep everything in one place? [09:27] surely that's the point of version control [09:28] never mind === tsmithe was looking in the wrong directory [09:29] :P [09:29] hang on [09:29] that's not up to date either [09:29] ... [09:29] grr I am gonan put this upto a vote [09:29] poningru, what? [09:29] poningru: hmm? [09:30] "gonan"? vote? [09:31] gonna [09:31] :P [09:31] email the -marketing to ask if we should make a press team [09:31] ok [09:35] poningru: voting is a sign that consensus has failed [09:35] yeah [09:35] I think I am just gonna make the team [09:35] poningru: you only need a team if you have a large number of people that don't clearly fit within the marketing team [09:35] which I don't see [09:35] can someone with access to that branch update it? i'm just checking out dan buch's branch to see if that is more up to date, although launchpad suggests otherwise [09:36] tsmithe: the bzr branch isn't as up-to date as the diy.devubuntu.ftp - that's a working version. [09:36] Burgwork: the problem is that not everyone in marketing wants to be involved in press stuff [09:36] poningru: so [09:36] jenda, i think you meant ".com" ;) [09:36] plus, where does that get it's source from? [09:36] I don't much care about diy stuff, but that doesn't mean I have a seperate team for it [09:36] not bzr? [09:36] Burgwork: oh not diy [09:37] Burgwork: this is for portion of marketing to work with canonical [09:37] tsmithe: yes, .com [09:37] all marketing works with canonical to some degree [09:37] and it gets source from ftp, by dan and me. [09:37] bah [09:37] so that we can do things like localized press releases at the same time [09:37] jenda, that's no good! [09:37] Burgwork: right [09:37] that is simply a project with the marketing team [09:38] jenda, what if others want to help? [09:38] tsmithe: it's a working version, and it's a lot faster than bzr'ing [09:38] right... but we can be a subset of marketing team [09:38] as a project [09:38] there is no need for YAT [09:38] tsmithe: then they ask, and we start coordinating. [09:38] but it would'nt be just another project [09:38] I guess we could open a new branch. I'll contact the launchpad folks. [09:38] yes it would [09:39] poningru: it is no more unique the diy or the UWN [09:39] jenda, indeed... but bzr is more open... and if people aren't happy with it, its speed looks set to improve [09:39] and i'd like to help [09:39] jenda, why a new branch? we already have a few [09:39] One branch for the website, one branch for the content. Makes sense to me - what do you say, tsmithe? [09:39] sounds good [09:39] but we should also clean up the old branches [09:39] I don't know any other branches. [09:39] err... [09:40] https://code.launchpad.net/products/spreadubuntu/+branches [09:40] there are five there [09:40] one mature, two abandoned, two new [09:40] the umag is abandoned. [09:40] ok [09:40] fixed [09:41] ok, we're close to the two branches needed. [09:41] i just fixed it! [09:41] poningru: honestly, you don't need another team [09:41] tsmithe: we both did, then :) [09:41] lol [09:42] poningru: I'll second that :) [09:42] poningru: I'd be starting Spreadubuntu team #3 by now. [09:42] so.. we gonna use dan's "CMS-ified" branch for the site, and yours for content? [09:42] pretty much. [09:42] right ho [09:42] although dan put his branch under his name. [09:43] one of the abandoned branches is my first SU branch - under my name, I moved it to teh MT later. [09:43] This way, only he has access. [09:43] (I think) [09:43] right [09:43] it should be set to the team [09:43] And even if not, it's better if it's /ubuntu-marketing/ [09:44] yeah [09:44] Burgwork: I was hoping to make press team do more than just that project though [09:44] like actually act as the contact for media [09:44] poningru: what else are they going todo? write press releases? [09:45] we've been down this road before [09:45] er... I have. [09:45] what road? [09:45] press releases and contacts to the media should be handled by canonical [09:45] poningru's? [09:45] in non-english, they should be handled by the locoteam [09:45] I tried to open a press team under the old mark eting team forum, and it was what began the argument between the 'leader' and me. [09:45] err... I _opened_, not tried to. [09:46] argument? leader? [09:46] And a few days later, he took the entire thing down :) [09:46]