[03:25] <Ricky28269> is it just me, or is hibernate buggy?
[03:26] <Burgundavia> yes it is
[03:26] <Burgundavia> are you using binary drivers?
[03:27] <Ricky28269> maybe
[03:27] <Ricky28269> i don't know much about linux, go easy on me :)
[03:29] <Burgundavia> have you installed them?
[03:29] <Ricky28269> what do you mean by binary drivers?
[03:30] <Ricky28269> lol
[03:31] <bimberi> he went easy on you :P
[03:32] <bimberi> binary only video drivers, for example for nvidia and ati cards
[03:32] <LaserJock> Ricky28269: some driver for video cards, wireless cards, etc. aren't open source
[03:32] <LaserJock> so they exist in an already compiled (also known as binary) form
[03:33] <Ricky28269> yes, i have a wireless usb driver through ndiswrapper
[03:34] <Ricky28269> and I think my video card driver might be closed source... stgraber configured it for me earlier today. i think he said it's the amd64 driver for ati, something like that.
[03:35] <Ricky28269> anyway yeah. i just had some weird bugs with restoring from hibernate so i was wondering if i'm not the only one
[03:57] <Ricky28269> Hi, where are programs and their files stored?
[03:59] <LaserJock> Ricky28269: how do you mean?
[03:59] <bimberi> Ricky28269: mostly, the executable portion is in /usr/bin.  Each package puts files in lots of places which you can see via 'dpkg -L <package>' in a terminal
[04:00] <Ricky28269> yeah actually i just found the synaptic package manager will tell me. thanks
[06:37] <highvoltage> is that Edubuntu running on jono's laptop? http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/JonoBacon/images/computerarea.jpg
[06:37] <highvoltage> it looks like an Edubuntu theme.
[06:40] <LaserJock> could be the Peace theme
[06:44] <LaserJock> which I don't find particularly peaceful
[06:50] <highvoltage> red doesn't look very peaceful to me.
[06:50] <LaserJock> it's kinda maroon or something
[06:51] <LaserJock> I tried out all the Ubuntu themes blubuntu, tropical, peace the other day
[06:51] <LaserJock> tropical and peace just seemed to intense
[06:52] <highvoltage> I like themes that are high contrast. if everything is the same brightness I have trouble remembering where my concentration is supposed to be
[06:53] <LaserJock> peace is pretty high contrast I guess
[06:53] <LaserJock> the highlight color is the same maroon as the window deco
[06:53] <highvoltage> I like a theme where the focussed window is high contrast and dark, and the inactive windows can have less contrast and be lighter
[06:53] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:53] <highvoltage> that's just too bright for me.
[06:54] <highvoltage> I like dark colours with high contrast.
[06:54] <highvoltage> where the standard ubuntu theme is light colours with low contrast.
[07:55] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: tell cbx33 sorry I missed you. gotta go to bed. cya later
[07:55] <edubuntugirl> Righto, LaserJock!
[08:41] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: long time, no see
[08:42] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: hi! well yeah...its been a while, i didnt have a working pc...
[09:55] <cbx33> Hi all
[09:55] <edubuntugirl> cbx33: by the way, LaserJock told me to tell you 'sorry I missed you. gotta go to bed. cya later' 1 hours, 59 minutes and 57 seconds ago (on Fri Nov 24 08:55:00 2006)
[09:55] <cbx33> thanks edubuntugirl 
[09:57] <jsgotangco> hi
[09:57] <cbx33> hey jsgotangco 
[09:58] <jsgotangco> cbx33: how are you doing?
[09:58] <cbx33> yeh not too bad
[09:58] <jsgotangco> hehehe im testing out a new service provider
[09:58] <cbx33> oooh
[09:58] <jsgotangco> wonder how their grid is
[09:58] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:58] <jsgotangco> media temple
[10:00] <jsgotangco> i can host a hundred domains and still be able to pay such a low price
[10:01] <cbx33> oooh
[10:01] <cbx33> me can do that too
[10:02] <jsgotangco> for $20? hehee
[10:15] <cbx33> hmmm
[10:15] <cbx33> no
[10:31] <edubuntugirl> ogra: by the way, pygi told me to tell you 'I'm very sorry for what I'm about to do ...' 1 day, 14 hours, 17 minutes and 14 seconds ago (on Wed Nov 22 21:14:07 2006)
[10:31] <RichEd> hi guys ..., say hello to Poland !
[10:31] <edubuntugirl> RichEd: by the way, Burgwork told me to tell you 'http://opensourceacademy.gov.uk/solutions/casestudies/birminham-city-council/file' 3 days, 10 hours, 40 minutes and 26 seconds ago (on Tue Nov 21 00:51:13 2006)
[10:31] <edubuntugirl> RichEd: by the way, LaserJock told me to tell you 'http://opensourceacademy.gov.uk/solutions/casestudies/birminham-city-council/file' 3 days, 10 hours, 39 minutes and 45 seconds ago (on Tue Nov 21 00:51:54 2006)
[10:31] <willvdl> hey there
[10:33] <ogra> RichEd, hi !
[10:33] <jsgotangco> hey
[10:33] <ajmitch> hi RichEd, ogra 
[10:33] <ogra> jsgotangco, jerome !
[10:33] <ogra> nice to see you
[10:33] <ogra> RichEd, ping
[10:34] <RichEd> have to go ... bye
[10:34] <jsgotangco> ogra: yes! still not in normal computing conditions though
[10:36] <willvdl> greetings to all in Poland
[10:37] <jsgotangco> what's in poland?
[10:37] <willvdl> Edulinux
[10:37] <willvdl> RichEd and Ogra are there at the moment
[10:38] <jsgotangco> oohhhh
[10:40] <jsgotangco> ogra must be having fun being on planes most of the time lately hahaha
[10:43] <jsgotangco> cbx33: seriously????
[10:44] <cbx33> seriously
[10:45] <cbx33> uds would have been my first time out of the country
[10:46] <highvoltage> it's such a drain of time. I loose about 1.5h just getting to the airport, checking it, waiting to take off, etc
[10:46] <jsgotangco> heck yeah
[10:46] <jsgotangco> then you fly for 10+ hours
[10:46] <jsgotangco> seeing nothing but clouds
[10:46] <jsgotangco> that's why in long flights i always take the aisle
[10:48] <highvoltage> going to London was strange for me. I expected it to feel strange in another country. but London feels a *lot* like Cape Town
[10:48] <highvoltage> they just have better transport and better Internet.
[10:48] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:48] <jsgotangco> come here!
[10:48] <jsgotangco> so you'll feel like a complete foreigner
[10:48] <highvoltage> Like I did in Paris :)
[10:49] <jsgotangco> haha yeah
[10:49] <jsgotangco> i felt so alien there
[10:53] <willvdl> highvoltage, you'll dig San Fran then if you reckon London is like Cape Town
[10:53] <highvoltage> willvdl: also similar?
[10:53] <willvdl> yeah
[10:53] <jsgotangco> cbx33: have you seen lost in translation (the movie)
[10:54] <cbx33> no
[10:55] <jsgotangco> imagine you are in uk today the got transported to japan tomorrow
[10:56] <jsgotangco> because you need to do some work
[10:56] <jsgotangco> can you imagine how that would feel
[10:57] <cbx33> cool
[10:57] <cbx33> hehe
[10:57] <cbx33> no I'd be scared
[10:57] <cbx33> and totally confused
[10:57] <jsgotangco> that's how travelling alone can be sometimes
[10:58] <cbx33> yeh
[10:58] <cbx33> I'll bet
[10:58] <jsgotangco> everything would be modern and yet so alien to you
[10:58] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:58] <cbx33> that's whay I was hoping lisa would get sponsored, but she didn;t.....so I was really scared then....but then work said I couldn't go
[11:01] <cbx33> so it all worked out I suppose
[11:06] <cbx33> hey RichEd 
[11:07] <RichEd> jinty: ping (this is ogra), could we get included in the alpha programme of schooltool ? whom do we have to contact for that ?
[11:07] <cbx33> Hi OgraEd
[12:03] <lixu> hi
[12:03] <lixu> my edubuntu ltsp project in malawi: http://lix.cc/malawi
[12:41] <stgraber> hi
[12:42] <airjump> hi
[12:49] <stgraber> lixu: How many station did you install ?
[02:21] <lixu> stgraber: 20 fujitsu siemens S300 thinclients
[02:22] <lixu> stgraber: sorry the network here is very poor and i'm connected through my server in zurich
[03:37] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:37] <cbx33> hey sbalneav 
[03:37] <sbalneav> Hey, cbx33, saw your blog post.
[03:38] <cbx33> which one?
[03:38] <cbx33> video?
[03:38] <sbalneav> I tried that one suggestion that the person suggested, with the MonitorLayour "CRT+LFP", because I liked the idea of not having to switch...
[03:38] <cbx33> ah yes
[03:38] <cbx33> but it turned out to be bad?
[03:38] <sbalneav> but it didn't work on my i810 laptop.  I'll have to dig into it, because I like the idea.
[03:39] <cbx33> ahhh I had a i855
[03:39] <sbalneav> Yeah, laptop screen doesn't light that way.
[03:39] <cbx33> i see
[03:39] <sbalneav> I think mine's a 925
[03:39] <juliux> hi all
[03:39] <sbalneav> Hello juliux
[03:40] <juliux> it is possible to have the ltsp and tftp server on one server and the dhcp server on an other server?
[03:40] <sbalneav> Sure.
[03:40] <juliux> must i copy the pxe image?
[03:41] <sbalneav> But first, why do you want things that way?  Does your edubuntu server have two nics?
[03:41] <juliux> it is not my problem, there is a user asking
[03:42] <juliux> he has the problem that he has thinclients and normal clients in one network, but if the edubuntu server is down he cant work with the normal thinclients
[03:42] <juliux> so he wants an extra dhcp server
[03:43] <sbalneav> You're always better off having 2 network interfaces, and simply running the dhcpd server for the terminals on the other card, but yes, it is possible to to do.
[03:43] <juliux> he want the dhcp server on an extra server
[03:43] <juliux> because his edubuntu server is not so stabile 
[03:43] <juliux> but he needs an dhcp server in his network
[03:45] <sbalneav> I understand why he wants it, but putting terminals on your main network's going to be a performance nightmare.  Terminals use up a fair chunk of bandwidth, so you really want to segment them off on their own network.  Hence the two cards.
[03:45] <juliux> it is not my decision;)
[03:45] <sbalneav> That way, he runs his main dhcpd server like normal, and the dhcpd server for the terminals doesn't interfere with the main one.
[03:45] <juliux> his eduubntu server is not running the whole time
[03:46] <juliux> so he needs an extra dhcp server for the normal clients
[03:46] <sbalneav> Yes, well he can do it either way.
[03:46] <juliux> and how?
[03:47] <sbalneav> By merging the dhcpd.conf file from ubuntu into the dhcpd.conf file on the other machine.
[03:47] <cbx33> I have a w2indows dhcp server
[03:47] <cbx33> and an edubuntu server
[03:47] <juliux> my idea is copy /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp to the new dhcp server, add the filename option, rootpath option and next-server in dhcpd.conf
[03:47] <sbalneav> You don't need to do that.
[03:47] <sbalneav> the tftp server doesn't need to be the same as the dhcpd server.
[03:48] <juliux> ah great
[03:48] <juliux> but i need the next-server option right?
[03:48] <sbalneav> right.
[03:48] <juliux> something else?
[03:48] <sbalneav> Probably lots.
[03:48] <sbalneav> It would depend upon his network setup.
[03:49] <juliux> he as a working dhcpd.conf
[03:49] <juliux> he only want to add the options that he can boot the thinclients from the other server
[03:49] <sbalneav> You've said that 4 or 5 times.
[03:49] <sbalneav> I know.
[03:50] <juliux> so i need more options than the next-server? 
[03:50] <sbalneav> Sure, root-path, filename, etc.
[03:50] <juliux> ok but i dont have to copy the pxe image
[03:50] <sbalneav> But they might conflict with stuff he's already got, so you'll have to be careful.
[03:52] <sbalneav> if I could SEE the dhcpd.conf file on the other box, I might be able to offer more advice, but without seeing what's what, I don't want to say "do this", or "do that", and then have you come back here tomorrow saying "he did that, now his whole network won't boot" :)
[03:53] <juliux> i will try to build up a test network hear at home to test that;)
[03:54] <sbalneav> or,
[03:54] <sbalneav> Like I said before...
[03:55] <sbalneav> he could hang all the thin clients off of a separate network interface on the edubuntu server, then he wouldn't have to fiddle with either dhcpd.conf file :)
[03:55] <sbalneav> So you might want to suggest that.
[03:55] <juliux> i suggest that but he said that this is no option
[03:56] <juliux> i suggest als that he can put all the thinclient in one vlan
[04:53] <juliux> sbalneav, can i ask you something more?
[04:53] <sbalneav> Sure.
[04:54] <juliux> it is possible to have a pxe image for ltsp and one for pxe installtion on one server and then choose on the client the ltsp one or the installtion one?
[04:54] <sbalneav> I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean.
[04:55] <sbalneav> You want a menu on the client that allows you to pick which image to boot?
[04:55] <sbalneav> or you want one client to boot one image, and another to boot a different image?
[04:56] <juliux> i want a menu on the client
[04:56] <juliux> so i can say please start up as a thinclient or installt now this computer via pxe
[04:57] <sbalneav> pxe clients don't have any kind of menu support built in.
[04:57] <sbalneav> So, no, not directly.
[04:57] <juliux> so i can have only one pxe image on the server
[04:58] <sbalneav> No, you can have multiple images, based on mac address.
[04:58] <sbalneav> so you can say "this mac boots this image".
[04:58] <sbalneav> You might be able to do something with grub, I think it has a PXE booting mode, but I've never investigated it.
[05:00] <sbalneav> Ah, it's only grub2, which is experimental.
[05:00] <sbalneav> Etherboot has some kind of menuing system, but that doesn't help you for the PXE clients.
[05:05] <juliux> ah ok
[05:05] <juliux> that is ok with the mac address
[07:14] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: hello
[07:14] <edubuntugirl> buon giorno, highvoltage!
[07:14] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: choose strawberry yoghurt or cream soda yoghurt
[07:14] <edubuntugirl> I choose cream soda yoghurt, highvoltage
[07:14] <highvoltage> good choice.
[10:34] <cliebow> any one fill me in on installing PyGTK?
[10:35] <LaserJock> well, you want to make pygtk apps?
[10:36] <moquist> I'm guessing you want python-gtk2 if you want to make pygtk apps. But I'm not completely sure, never having done so.
[10:40] <cliebow> moquist:it is edsadmin im after
[10:40] <moquist> cliebow: apt-get install edsadmin
[10:40] <cliebow> hmm.
[10:41] <cliebow> but but..i added the link to sources.list ..and it dies
[10:41] <moquist> what link?
[10:41] <moquist> oh, right.
[10:42] <moquist> what dies? at which point?
[10:42] <cliebow> no suitable des implementatrion?
[10:42] <moquist> so edsadmin dies when you try to execute it.
[10:42] <cliebow> it install fine..doesnt run..unless im being dumb again
[10:42] <moquist> are you running edgy?
[10:42] <cliebow> yeah
[10:44] <moquist> cliebow: can you find the place in the source (it's just Python) where it prints the error?
[10:44] <cliebow> i havnt checked the smbldap side..perhaps that is important
[10:44] <moquist> this message prints out immediately when you start edsadmin, right? not after you click on some stuff and try to, say, add a user, or something.
[10:45] <cliebow> right
[10:46] <cliebow> dies in smbpassword.py
[10:47] <cliebow> smbpassword.py raise exception..no suitable des implementation found
[10:47] <moquist> it's failing to import pydes
[10:48] <cliebow> and i need to...uhhh
[10:48] <moquist> I would install that package and see how it goes.
[10:49] <cliebow> it is nor  an imprerativeYou Da MAN
[10:49] <cliebow> You Da Man
[10:49] <cliebow> 1nterested how it compares to ldapbrowser282b2
[10:50] <cliebow> which i rEALLLY lIKE
[10:58] <moquist> ogra's reason for choosing edsadmin is its UI simplicity.
[11:06] <cliebow> moquist:It is very straightforward isnt it..
[11:07] <moquist> I'm looking at adding automatic home directory creation/manipulation.
[11:07] <moquist> I'm considering it part of my sysadmin job, and fitting the time in there. :)
[11:13] <cliebow> moquist: i did homedirs from my bash script..
[11:14] <cliebow> cause they are sperated out like my ou
[11:14] <cliebow> al 2010 users have homedir in /home/2010
[11:22] <moquist> cliebow: right. But if edsadmin is going to be the GUI user admin tool in feisty, we probably want the state of the Home Directory setting in the GUI to reflect reality. At the very least, adding a user in the GUI should create the user's default home directory.
[11:43] <cbx33> Hey all
[11:45] <Burgwork> moquist: automatic homedir needs to consider pammkhomedir and sabayon
[11:45] <cbx33> is this for an AD domain?
[11:45] <gnomefreak> what does bash use for package in script? $package?
[11:46] <gnomefreak> like if i wanted to throw apt-cache search $package | less ina  script
[11:47] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: you can define it to be whatever you want
[11:47] <gnomefreak> so ther eis no set var for it?
[11:48] <LaserJock> no
[11:48] <LaserJock> there isn't a set var for most things
[11:48] <gnomefreak> thats not good :(
[11:49] <gnomefreak> i was gonna try them as alias' than combine them in a script but without one defined by default alias isnt gonne go
[11:55] <cliebow> moquist: ok i see where you are going
[11:57] <cbx33> last time I tried auto home dir it didn't work
[11:58] <cbx33> at least not with the entire homedir being on a windows server
[11:58] <cbx33> not sure what you guys are trying to do
[12:11] <moquist> Burgwork: yes; thx for the reminders
[12:12] <moquist> maybe a good pammkhomedir setup would be preferable, anyway.
[12:12] <Burgwork> given sbalneav has been hacking mkhomdir to cleanup as well, yes