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| gnomefreak | anyone on feisty notice apt/aptitude not working? | 12:14 |
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| Jucato | I couldn't even boot into feisty (vmware) right now... kernel panic :( | 12:15 |
| gnomefreak | would apt crashing be concidered security issue? | 12:20 |
| gnomefreak | eh i can change it later too hard to think today | 12:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I just wrote a script to download po files for guidance since it doesn't work with svn2dist | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I send it to sime eventually | 12:42 |
| Riddell | it does, but you need to work out the magic place in svn2dist to edit | 12:42 |
| Riddell | and the Makefile.am | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes I know but well editing svn2dist everytime is a pain | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it can be done with a 2 lines script, and it works very nicelly so... :) | 12:43 |
| Riddell | :) | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/37 | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | okay the second line is ugly.... I'll rewrite it better later :) | 12:44 |
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| Tonio_ | hum it misses the new icons......... I'll have to check at ken svn branch | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | pinheir0: ping ? | 12:51 |
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| pinheir0 | hi Tonio_ | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | hey :) | 12:52 |
| pinheir0 | going to bed soon | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | pinheir0: any idea where ken has put the new guidance-powermanager icons ? | 12:52 |
| pinheir0 | no idea | 12:52 |
| pinheir0 | :) | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | there are not in his ken/ directory on oxygen branch | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | andnot in guidance...... | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | okay I'll wait for him to had them :) | 12:52 |
| pinheir0 | i think he send them to sebas | 12:52 |
| gnomefreak | is there a problem with pythonqt3? | 12:52 |
| gnomefreak | or pyqt3 | 12:52 |
| gnomefreak | whatever the latest update was | 12:53 |
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| Tonio_ | pinheir0: found them hehe :) | 01:06 |
| Tonio_ | pinheir0: thanks | 01:06 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: morning! :) | 01:06 |
| Hobbsee | hey Jucato | 01:07 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: have you seen this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | 01:07 |
| Jucato | exactly what I've been looking for. almost perfect! (except for the time...) | 01:07 |
| === Hobbsee looks | ||
| Riddell | Jucato: has it been announced yet? | 01:08 |
| Jucato | Riddell: yep. in Ubuntu Fridge and Jono's blog | 01:08 |
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| Hobbsee | Jucato: way cool | 01:09 |
| Riddell | and no evil marketing, excellent | 01:10 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: yeah. I have to slightly turn my timezone upside down a bit :) | 01:11 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 01:11 |
| Jucato | the sessions are practically 11pm-5am here. But I think it's worth it | 01:12 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: how come neither you nor Riddell will be giving a session? shouldn't the King and Queen be there? :P | 01:12 |
| === Hobbsee looks what they are in her timezone | ||
| Hobbsee | Jucato: either i wasnt asked, or i was, and said no, not understanding what it was. i think it was the latter | 01:13 |
| Hobbsee | and Riddell needs to squish all the bugs | 01:13 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: if you're still on DST, just add 3 hours to mine, afaik | 01:13 |
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| Hobbsee | 2am - 8am. yay. | 01:15 |
| Jucato | hehehe | 01:15 |
| === Hobbsee may be able to get to some of them | ||
| === Hobbsee may not have internet, though | ||
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| Hobbsee | nixternal: fixed feisty yet? | 01:19 |
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| Riddell | _Sime: any clue what this is? http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.announce/6636 | 02:59 |
| Riddell | http://pythonqt.sourceforge.net/ | 02:59 |
| Riddell | ah, embedding python into qt, not qt bindings for python | 03:00 |
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| nixternal | Hobbsee: feisty is still broken for me | 03:42 |
| nixternal | i will probably fix it this weekend when i get some time..just do a reload probably | 03:42 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: did you upgrade udev or coreutils? | 03:42 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: do you know how to chroot? | 03:42 |
| nixternal | not 100% | 03:42 |
| Hobbsee | !chroot | 03:43 |
| ubotu | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box | 03:43 |
| nixternal | i just did a typical upgrade yesterday and it wouldn't boot afterwards | 03:43 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: dchroot /media/feisty and upgrade it from there | 03:44 |
| Hobbsee | yes, there were two updates that broke, and were quickly fixed | 03:44 |
| nixternal | i can't log into that machine though | 03:44 |
| Hobbsee | or wherever you've got hte feisty / mounted | 03:44 |
| Hobbsee | you've only got feisty on it? | 03:44 |
| nixternal | ya | 03:44 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 03:45 |
| nixternal | that is my test machine | 03:45 |
| Hobbsee | you can use a live cd for ti | 03:45 |
| nixternal | hmm..i will give that a try | 03:45 |
| Jucato | is it normal that an upgrade removes hal? (feisty) | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: probably not.... | 03:56 |
| orkid | why can't you login? it won't boot? | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | orkid: yes | 03:56 |
| orkid | what part of the boot? | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | the first, iirc | 03:56 |
| orkid | grub problem? | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | er, just after that | 03:56 |
| nixternal | ya, it locks right after grub, and gives yout he no job stuff | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | it's a coreutils/udev problem | 03:56 |
| orkid | i just did an upgrade from 6.10 to feisty and i couldn't boot. | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: recovery mode does nothing, presumably | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | another victim | 03:57 |
| nixternal | no, recovery mode is dead as well | 03:57 |
| orkid | oh ok. my grub entries got messed up and partition #s were changed. different problem i suppose. | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | orkid: quite possibly. if you know which partitions are which, you can just use /dev/hda# or whatever, and change it later | 03:57 |
| orkid | yeah, that's what i did (used the grub command line to boot) | 03:58 |
| orkid | it seems like startup of programs (eg firefox) is slower. don't know why. | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: tony* just mentioned it in #ubuntu+1 | 03:58 |
| nixternal | oh well...im heading to bed..i gotta wake up to get in line at the local best buy so i can get me a new laptop at 5am ;) | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | nice | 04:00 |
| orkid | oh tomorrow's friday. | 04:00 |
| orkid | i need a new laptop... | 04:00 |
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| Hobbsee | hrm, it appears that printing has died on feisty | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | able to retrieve printer info. Printer answered: | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | client-error-bad-reques | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | printer URI: ipp://%E0%FB/%08%80?2%0850.205:631/ipp | 04:54 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee printing is generally dying from the first week the the last one of every development cycle :) | 05:35 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: so it seems. i've never seen that error though :) | 05:35 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee I'll give a try tomorrow | 05:36 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee at the moment I'm trying to get rid of kmplayer and fix kaffeine so that it doesn't crash konqueror | 05:37 |
| Hobbsee | fair enough | 05:37 |
| Tonio_ | I've found an interesting couple of patches at suse | 05:37 |
| Hobbsee | oh nice! what about? | 05:37 |
| Tonio_ | the first one removes xinitthread from kaffeine and the second one performs the same in konqueror | 05:37 |
| Tonio_ | the problem in fact is in xinelibs, and that looks like a working workaround | 05:38 |
| Tonio_ | if it works, we will be able to ship one player for all, would be nice | 05:38 |
| Tonio_ | the point is I never saw any bug report concerning this issue for opensuse, that's why I looked carezfully at the patches they had for konqueror and kaffeine :) | 05:40 |
| Hobbsee | nice :) | 05:40 |
| Tonio_ | doesn't mean it'll work, but I'm confident in it | 05:40 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 05:43 |
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| imbrandon | Riddell: almost done with those MIR's i'll post them here in a few minutes | 01:00 |
| imbrandon | btw moins all | 01:00 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: rocking | 01:02 |
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| imbrandon | moins kwwii apokryphos gnomefreak jsgotangco | 01:13 |
| apokryphos | hiya imbrandon | 01:14 |
| jsgotangco | hello! | 01:14 |
| kwwii | howdy | 01:14 |
| gnomefreak | moin imbrandon | 01:14 |
| === gnomefreak spending today on finding out what is causing apt aptitude to crash. it seems to happen after kubuntu-desktop is installed :( | ||
| gnomefreak | the problem is only i can produce it. and its after everything is installed that it does it | 01:17 |
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| Tonio_ | yop | 02:01 |
| Riddell | isn't that a youghart drink from france? | 02:02 |
| Tonio_ | youghart ? | 02:02 |
| Tonio_ | wdtm ? | 02:03 |
| Tonio_ | ah yagourt ! | 02:03 |
| Riddell | something like that | 02:03 |
| Tonio_ | yes it is a friendly way to say hello *and* a french liquid yogourt :) | 02:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I spent all the day fixing kaffeine to avoid crash in konq | 02:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I succeded, but that crashes kfmclient :( | 02:04 |
| Riddell | how did you do that? | 02:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: works with binary konqurror though | 02:04 |
| Tonio_ | by removing xinitthread from kaffeine and using it in konqueror instead | 02:04 |
| Tonio_ | that works | 02:04 |
| Tonio_ | but kfmclient crashes, I don't understand why | 02:05 |
| Tonio_ | with konqueror it now works like a charm, so I don't know it investigating a bit more to improve my patch is usefull or not ? | 02:05 |
| Tonio_ | it would be so nice having just one player out of the box... | 02:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: interested in the segfault output of kfmclient and the patch ? maybe you can fix it easilly | 02:06 |
| Tonio_ | kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing -> craches | 02:06 |
| Tonio_ | konqueror -> perfect | 02:06 |
| Tonio_ | shouldn't be hard to fix I hope | 02:06 |
| Riddell | I don't have time today, but keep it around to look at in future | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay thanks | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ho your python-kde3 package causes problems, guidance failed to build when I uploaded | 02:09 |
| imbrandon | moins Tonio_ | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | it worked before your upload what done | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | hey imbrandon | 02:10 |
| Riddell | ug | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes and even the built package doesn't work now, the modules are broken here | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (initqt) | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | this is the error reported by powermanager | 02:11 |
| Riddell | ug | 02:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning kaffeine, the issue is due to xine architecture, so another solution would be to switch back to gstreamer | 02:16 |
| Tonio_ | xine requires that xinitthread is initialized in fact otherwise it crashes | 02:16 |
| Tonio_ | gstreamer doesn't need this | 02:17 |
| Riddell | there's no gstreamer 0.10 backend in kaffeine | 02:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: suse has patched it to work with 0.10 ;) | 02:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I spent all the night on that so I know exactly what does suse, mandriva, fedora etc do :) | 02:17 |
| Tonio_ | so if it is just a matter or gstreamer 0.10 we can patch it | 02:18 |
| Tonio_ | the point is amarok | 02:18 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: what is the status of the gstreamer engine ? I couldn't find it | 02:18 |
| Tonio_ | is it abandoned ? | 02:18 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: interesting | 02:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes ;) | 02:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay here is the plan, I'll reactivate the gstreamer plugin in kaffeine with the suse patch and test | 02:19 |
| Riddell | the main gstreamer engine doesn't seem to be developed, but I read of another engine which just runs gstreamer from the command line to work | 02:19 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: gst overall or in kde/amarok ? | 02:19 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: in amarok | 02:20 |
| Tonio_ | amarok-gstreamer package doesn't exist and amarok-engines doesn't provide it | 02:20 |
| Tonio_ | I'm testing with kaffeine | 02:20 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: the developers just gave it up over gst 0.8 but they planed to relook at it in amarok 2.0 / gst 0.10 but i dont think that is active atm | 02:20 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: right upstream dropped it for the moment | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: hum.... and what about the engine Riddell was talking about ? | 02:21 |
| imbrandon | there is no amarok-gstreamer anymore, their might be sometime | 02:21 |
| imbrandon | i dont know about the one Riddell is talking about | 02:21 |
| Riddell | I'm not super keen to move to gstreamer though, stuff like DVDs don't work and it would stop the install-mp3 script from working | 02:22 |
| imbrandon | but it might work, but i can ask markey and eean today about the gst amarok status again | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: if switching to gstreamer with the kaffeine suse patch works, it would be interesting to look at this evnetually | 02:22 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: sometime, but it would require lots of changes like Riddell said | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah ? that's just a matter of installing another package no ? | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and gstreamer can now use w32codecs | 02:22 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: not really, it would require changes to gst ( that are being made upstream now but might not be ready for feisty ) | 02:23 |
| imbrandon | so they can do with totem what we do with amarok | 02:23 |
| imbrandon | ( that was talked about at UDS , thats why i went to those BoF's ) | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: hehe, okay | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I though the script was just a matter of amarok, not the engine in use | 02:24 |
| imbrandon | so in the LONG run yes, maybe, but short term it would not work right, but LONG term we're looking at phoneon anyhow with kde4 ( that will use gst ) | 02:24 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: no its part of amarok-xine , not amarok proper | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: okay didn't knew this........ sucks ! | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | there is no solution in fact....... | 02:25 |
| Tonio_ | okay let's stay with kmplayer at the moment | 02:25 |
| imbrandon | i dont think we should worry about gst untill feisty+1 and kde4 IMHO | 02:25 |
| imbrandon | but thats just my experince | 02:25 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: well the point was that gst was the solution for the kaffeine issue in fact | 02:25 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 02:26 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: the crash when embedded in konq is due to xine arch | 02:26 |
| imbrandon | yea we need to find a nice wideo player that does mostly only videos ( like totem for gnome ) and has a plugin | 02:26 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: this is why ubuntu doesn't have any problems with firefox -> they use gstreamer | 02:26 |
| imbrandon | and works with xine | 02:26 |
| Riddell | Tonio, imbrandon: what kubuntu work needs done in the next week? | 02:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have to finish the multimedia stuff, revu kds too | 02:27 |
| Tonio_ | but the merge process for main is almost done | 02:27 |
| Riddell | man, we tock | 02:27 |
| Riddell | rock too | 02:27 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: umm i just finished the last of the amarok stuff last nigth and uploaded and planned on working on the .directory stuff from the k-d-s bof, that was _my_ plans | 02:27 |
| imbrandon | yea most of the merges for main are done | 02:27 |
| imbrandon | very very few left | 02:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the point is that I did lots of uvf exception requests during edgy, so I don't have a lot of packages to merge ;) | 02:28 |
| imbrandon | ohh BTW while all 3 of us are here | 02:28 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: well I'll upload kaffeine in a few minutes, but I wanted to try once more to fix this before upload | 02:28 |
| Tonio_ | I'll remove the patch and upload right now | 02:28 |
| imbrandon | PLEASE dont upload amaork 1.4.5 right away when it comes out PLEASE | 02:28 |
| imbrandon | ohh BTW while all 3 of us are here ^^ | 02:29 |
| imbrandon | there is a major packaging delta from debian --> ubuntu and since i'm uploading both debian and ubuntu's now ( via ana in debian ) i want to try to sync them with 1.4.5 | 02:29 |
| imbrandon | is the reason ^^ | 02:30 |
| Tonio_ | the point is I really do't understand why kaffeine upstream doesn't want to perform like kmplayer does....... | 02:30 |
| Tonio_ | he considers that's xine fault so that's it......... developpers......... | 02:30 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: when is 1.4.5 coming out? and why not upload it? | 02:30 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I won't ;) I only uploaded amarok once including my changes, but know I consider this your work, not mine | 02:30 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: there is a major packaging delta from debian --> ubuntu and since i'm uploading both debian and ubuntu's now ( via ana in debian ) i want to try to sync them with 1.4.5 | 02:31 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: right, parsed now :) | 02:31 |
| imbrandon | i wanna upload it to debian first then merge | 02:31 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: just be sure to keep my changes when you merge :) | 02:31 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: i will | 02:31 |
| imbrandon | its just right not the orig.tar.gz are diffrent so i hade to fake sync | 02:31 |
| imbrandon | i want to fix that for 1.4.5 but it will have to be in debian first | 02:31 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: I wonder if debian would mind adding the same epoch to amarok we foolishly gave it | 02:31 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: heheh i'm already ahead of you | 02:32 |
| imbrandon | i'm working with ana to co-maintain it and he said we could possible do that | 02:32 |
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| imbrandon | sooonish i *hope* i get co-maintainer on it | 02:32 |
| imbrandon | anyhow , other than that amarok stuff, i planned on getting a good .directory plan togather and start implmenting it this week, for 2 reasons , the grey folder thing instead of .hidden and the directory translations | 02:34 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: ^^ | 02:34 |
| imbrandon | thats my plans this week, as most of the main merges are done | 02:34 |
| imbrandon | ( and work on some universe merges as i have time ) | 02:35 |
| imbrandon | Riddell / Tonio_ : is the usb unmounting thing on either of your TODO's ? ( will probably have to work with _Sime close on that one ) | 02:35 |
| imbrandon | if not i'll add that to mine | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yes, that's a major one | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: according to _Sime that's not due to his patches, but I wonder.........; nobody except kubuntu users are reporting this | 02:36 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: do you have time to look that over with _Sime ? it /might/ not be due to his patches but would be nice to be fixed | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | next week I'll have time yes | 02:37 |
| imbrandon | kk | 02:37 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: I don't think we should put a .directory in every / directory, I'd rather just in /home and /media with special icons for those two | 02:39 |
| imbrandon | hrm ok | 02:40 |
| imbrandon | you dont want to make the others gray ? | 02:40 |
| imbrandon | ( note they will have to be in everyt directory anyhow for translations ) | 02:41 |
| Riddell | no, it would stop working if anyone added another directory | 02:41 |
| Riddell | and I think people will object to having dozens of .directory files | 02:41 |
| imbrandon | true and true | 02:41 |
| Riddell | translations? | 02:41 |
| imbrandon | directory name translations | 02:41 |
| imbrandon | they were looking at using them for that also | 02:41 |
| Riddell | not for / directories surely? | 02:42 |
| Riddell | it would work for /home and /media but translating /etc and the like make no sense | 02:43 |
| imbrandon | that was my understanding , but i may be wrong, thus the plan for it also hehehe | 02:43 |
| Riddell | ~/Desktop is the main one its needed for | 02:43 |
| imbrandon | right | 02:43 |
| imbrandon | hum ok, well that makes that easy | 02:43 |
| Riddell | and ~/Pictures, ~/Music if we start using those | 02:43 |
| imbrandon | is there a project you would like me to look at over the next week then | 02:43 |
| imbrandon | yea, i would like to start using those ( the ~/<something> ) as digicam and such already tries to | 02:44 |
| Tonio_ | okay kaffeine uploaded | 02:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'd like to fix guidance eventually :) the packaging is done now, so let me paste you the buildlog error | 02:47 |
| imbrandon | back in ~20 minutes | 02:47 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: when you're back, are you going to merge kwin-style-crystal ? | 02:49 |
| Tonio_ | I can do it | 02:49 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: go ahead if you want | 02:49 |
| imbrandon | i was going to but it wasent high on my list | 02:49 |
| imbrandon | ok really afk ~20 minutes ( food ) | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | okay bye ! | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kdebluetooth is done too, but I didn't use the dbus stuff at the moment, too experimental | 02:51 |
| Riddell | ok | 02:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: also I didn't sync with the debian packaging since there are errors in it (files conflicting with kdelibs etc...) | 02:51 |
| Riddell | yeah, that's fine | 02:51 |
| Tonio_ | I don't know if it works on debian.... | 02:51 |
| Tonio_ | hum I'll give a try at kdebindings everyday too.... the error is outside of the package the maybe it'll be fixed one day.... | 02:52 |
| Tonio_ | I'll just have to build it everyday and check | 02:52 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: by the way java bindings have been removed from SVN, so I don't care if they're not in kubuntu | 02:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum cool, we can to an svn sync eventually | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | or just hack the tarball :) | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | okay I'll do that, thanks for the tip | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I will not sync kmplayer too since debian doesn't split the package, so I maintain it appart of debian, I just sync the patches in fact | 02:54 |
| Riddell | groovy | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | we're almost done :) we will have a bunch of time to work on the specs, that's cool :) | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | I have to fix jabbin and wengophone packages too... | 02:56 |
| Kryczek | hi there :) | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | concerning wengophone it looks like the error is due to the scons build | 02:56 |
| Kryczek | Tonio_: anything new on that KWallet issue? | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | works when built with cmake | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | Kryczek: no........ | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | the kde maintainer didn't even answer....... | 02:56 |
| Kryczek | Tonio_: I talked with him | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: shouldn't we have a look at pwmanager ? | 02:57 |
| Kryczek | and was highly disappointed | 02:57 |
| Kryczek | he's stubborn and won't do anything about the issue | 02:57 |
| Kryczek | not even help us | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | Kryczek: bah he doesn't read the bug reports | 02:57 |
| Kryczek | s/help/guide | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | Kryczek: but the issue isn't in kwallet code in fact | 02:57 |
| Kryczek | Tonio_: you want the conversation log? | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | I reverted the code and that doesn't help | 02:57 |
| Kryczek | ok | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is in kicker or kdeinit | 02:57 |
| Kryczek | but still I found his behavior highly irresponsible | 02:58 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: we can look at it, but the kwallet author is exceedingly competant, I'd rather work out what was wrong with it | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | kwallet crashes on logout in fact so that the changes are not saved | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: bah competant, but doesn't take care of bug reports....... | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well technically kwalet works | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is that due to kdeinit (which sometimes breaks knetworkmanager too) kwallet crashes on logout | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | and kwallet only saves changes in the wallet on close | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | the good workarround would be that kwallet saves the wallet on every input | 03:00 |
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| Tonio_ | I don't understand why it doesn't work like that | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: if someone can do that patch, it'll work | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: there is a bug id on kde, let me give you the bug number | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | Kryczek: show me the logs please ;) | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136411 | 03:01 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 136411 in kwallet "KWallet loses new passwords when closed since XML file import" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | everything is in it | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | Kryczek: well when I said the error wasn't "in" kwallet, it is a combinason in fact | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | there is no reason that the wallet is saved only at logout.... | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | maybe there is one, but I can't figure out what | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | ctcp ? | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | dcc please :) | 03:05 |
| Kryczek | oops :D | 03:05 |
| Riddell | we should look if we can have a Kubuntu version of /etc/readahead/desktop | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what's this ? | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | Kryczek:http:// paste.tonio.homelinux.org | 03:06 |
| Kryczek | Tonio_: file to be cached i suppose | 03:06 |
| Kryczek | for faster access | 03:06 |
| Riddell | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=254263 explains it well | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: reading thanks | 03:07 |
| Kryczek | Tonio_: any good syntax hilighting template for irc logs? :) | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | okay it is the equivalent of microsoft bootvis :) | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | Kryczek: not needed don't mind :) | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: interesting I didn't knew an equivalent on linux exist | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the problem with this is that it depends on each machine | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: modules to load etc..... | 03:09 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: have fun on your trip , i'll try not to break all of main ( just kidding ) | 03:09 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: most of the files are the same depending on the desktop you load | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, but it looks like faster on good machines, but slow on light ones....... | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: could be dangerous in my opinion | 03:10 |
| Kryczek | Tonio_: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/38 | 03:10 |
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| Tonio_ | Kryczek: okay so both of you were wrong in fact :) | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | Kryczek: first, the patch doesn't resolv the issue this time (worked for the 3.5.4 issues but not this problem) | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | and secondly, it doesn't introduce any crash | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | the point is probably that kwallet should save new entries everytime something is written to the wallet in my opinion | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | that would resolve the issue | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll have a look at that readahead thing, but I'll test it on a 256mbits machine first | 03:15 |
| Riddell | :) | 03:16 |
| Riddell | I don't know how we'd do a kubuntu version, you can't do alternatives on conf files | 03:16 |
| Tonio_ | hum, yes | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | well we can easily do that by breaking the debian policy hehe | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | joking of course | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it is possible to do alternatives on the initscript | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | and the initscript contains the path to the config file, so........ :) | 03:18 |
| Riddell | maybe, sounds dangerous but | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | but works :) | 03:18 |
| seaLne | does anyone happen to know if there is a way to save a (KDE) session other than selecting save session from the k menu? i'm trying to save a session with konq fullscreen | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | seaLne: will not work | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | seaLne: konqueror and kopete have issues in saving the window size for at least 2 years :) | 03:20 |
| seaLne | it saved fine, with restore last session thingy | 03:21 |
| seaLne | i just want to make it so it can't be mistakenly changed | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | seaLne: even the window size ? | 03:21 |
| seaLne | yep, stayed fullscreen | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | hum interesting | 03:21 |
| seaLne | my konqs stay the right size on my desktop aswell | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | seaLne: how do you save the session from the kmenu ? | 03:22 |
| seaLne | "save session" | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | seaLne: I don't see this i nthe kmenu | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/39 | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: buildlog for guidance | 03:23 |
| seaLne | you need to have changed in the session settings | 03:23 |
| Tonio_ | seaLne: ah okay ;) | 03:23 |
| seaLne | on login: from restore previous session to restore manual session | 03:23 |
| Tonio_ | well I assume it is possible somehow with dcop.... | 03:23 |
| seaLne | this is for connecting to a plasma display :) | 03:23 |
| Tonio_ | seaLne: tried to browse with kdcop somehow ? | 03:23 |
| seaLne | but then it would be saved as being running? | 03:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm pretty sure the issue is due to your changes since I built it correctly yesterday afternoon | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | seaLne: probably yes | 03:25 |
| seaLne | "dcop ksmserver default saveCurrentSession" but gives a complaint about "ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server!" when i ssh in | 03:26 |
| seaLne | is dcop linked to being logged in? | 03:26 |
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| Tonio_ | seaLne: use /bin/bash not /bin/sh | 03:27 |
| Riddell | seaLne: yes, it is | 03:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/40 | 03:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what's this ? libkonsolepart.so required to install python-kde3 ? | 03:28 |
| Riddell | yes, it is now | 03:30 |
| Riddell | not sure what would be causing that error | 03:30 |
| Riddell | so I need to make python-kde3 depend on konsole | 03:34 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: probably yes | 03:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: want me to do it ? I have time for this :) | 03:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I've done the package, so I can upload if you want/don't mind | 03:40 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I've just done it | 03:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hehe okay | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm reading at your mail, concerning edgy-proposed patches | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: how to check who confirmed it worked ? | 03:43 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: they should say so on the bug report | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | okay | 03:43 |
| Riddell | then you include their details in the -updates changelog | 03:44 |
| Riddell | see the StableReleaseUpdates page before doing any such upload though | 03:44 |
| Tonio_ | great it is clear now | 03:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah I know I should..... I have rarelly been involved in working on updates for the stable release, that's my problem :) | 03:44 |
| Tonio_ | I generally only focus on the dev one | 03:45 |
| Tonio_ | I'll make a point on that with imbrandon, I know he knows all of this perfectly | 03:45 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: you could go along to the open week talks and find out how it all works :) | 03:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sure :) | 03:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well the point is also a matter of interest to me :) | 03:59 |
| Riddell | by the way jono is looking for more talkers if you want to do a session on something | 04:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it is important to fix issues on the stable one, but well I'd be glad is someone else would do the job hehe :) | 04:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: maybe yes, why not | 04:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but well as you know, I'm not a great "speaker" because of my english.... | 04:01 |
| Tonio_ | I am handicaped to do such things (wouldn't have any problem if it was in french) | 04:01 |
| Riddell | in my experience you speak plenty :) | 04:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes but I'm not self-confident in my english to do so | 04:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: in france everyone say I speak WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too much | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: as you've seen in the UDS, I don't speak that much during the meetings | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | psychological issue I think :) | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | but as I have to fight this, I may do a talk eventually, yes | 04:03 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime, sebas: I did a snapshot of guidance and I'll upload toonight.... there were a few icons missing (90% charging/discharging) I did them so would you please upload them in svn ? | 04:05 |
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| Lure | Riddell: already gone to Pula? | 04:51 |
| Riddell | Lure: leaving tonight | 04:52 |
| Riddell | Lure: I believe the dudes in #ubuntu-hr are planning an event on tuesday evening | 04:52 |
| Lure | Riddell: any plans to come to Ljubljana? I am out on Wed/Thu (in Germany), but otherwise I am here | 04:52 |
| Riddell | I have no plans, /msg me your phone number and I'll let you know | 04:53 |
| Riddell | I think my girlfriend won't be too happy if I spend too much time with computer people :) | 04:53 |
| Lure | Riddell: ;-) - fine with me | 04:54 |
| Lure | Riddell: you got my mail about hints what to do? | 04:54 |
| Riddell | Lure: yes, thanks | 04:55 |
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| imbrandon | wow, marks blog went right for Novell's throat | 05:11 |
| imbrandon | :) | 05:12 |
| Riddell | oh, it's begun has it | 05:13 |
| imbrandon | yea , check out planet ( and he links to a few other blogs ) apparently kubuntu ( not ubuntu ) has picked up a few high profile suse guys reciently ? | 05:14 |
| imbrandon | its kinda funny as i came from SuSE too ( just a year or so earlier than all this mess LOL ) | 05:15 |
| Riddell | the lead postgres developer blogged about changing to kubuntu | 05:15 |
| Riddell | but really, I don't like trying to steal developers from SuSE | 05:16 |
| imbrandon | as long as they still contribute upstream i think its good | 05:17 |
| Riddell | they do, a lot | 05:17 |
| imbrandon | will make kubuntu the defacto desktop | 05:17 |
| Riddell | what will? | 05:17 |
| fdoving | i think it's important to cooperate.. not compete. goodwill from suse can be a very very good thing. | 05:18 |
| Riddell | exactly | 05:19 |
| Riddell | well, we compete too, but I'd rather compete for converts to windows than for each other's developers | 05:19 |
| Riddell | s/to/from/ | 05:19 |
| imbrandon | true but if they are gonna switch anyway from suse ( because of discontent with novel ) we might as well swoop them up | 05:20 |
| imbrandon | but not "actively" recruit | 05:20 |
| Riddell | mm | 05:25 |
| Riddell | anyone heard of an update which stops amarok and kaffeine playing oggs? | 05:25 |
| imbrandon | hrm, not here, seems ok | 05:26 |
| imbrandon | it would have to be a xine update | 05:27 |
| imbrandon | if that was the case | 05:27 |
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| fdoving | Riddell: the kpilot issue qualifies for an SRU, right? | 05:28 |
| Riddell | fdoving: yes, if the diff isn't too large | 05:28 |
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| fdoving | let's hope it's small.. building now. | 05:29 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: yea i'm on uptodate feisty and amarok seems to play ogg fine | 05:29 |
| imbrandon | just made sure | 05:29 |
| fdoving | so.. feisty is usable? maybe i should do an upgrade on the ibook. | 05:29 |
| fdoving | bbl. dinner. | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | fdoving: its "useable" i wouldent call it stable or such | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | things are still breaking quite often | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | :) | 05:30 |
| fdoving | I just hate the X breakages.. | 05:32 |
| Jucato | I get kernel panics on vmware... | 05:32 |
| fdoving | think i'll run edgy for a while.. atleast on one computer. anyway.. dinner. bbl. | 05:32 |
| imbrandon | yea i still keep edgy on my laptop incase something inportant breaks, but i have feisty on my main dev desktop | 05:35 |
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| imbrandon | Jucato: not essential but very very helpfull ( and common , a "stable" box for if the world breaks , and a dev box mostly ) | 05:37 |
| Jucato | imbrandon: btw, I'm looking forward to your "talk". hopefully I won't miss this one... | 05:37 |
| Riddell | Jucato: it helps | 05:38 |
| Riddell | but chroots and the like also help | 05:38 |
| Jucato | and then there's always dual booting... | 05:38 |
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| imbrandon | Jucato: hehe | 05:45 |
| imbrandon | Jucato: the main one i'm doing is the kubuntu one and the packaging 101 ( for those that have never made a package before ) , the others i'm penciled in for are because jono decided i should find someone to fill the other slots | 05:46 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 05:46 |
| Jucato | hehe | 05:46 |
| Jucato | I've also started to read the Ubuntu Packaging Guide. this UbuntuOpenWeek is exactly what I need. | 05:47 |
| Jucato | I'll be turning my timezones upside down just to make it :) | 05:47 |
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| imbrandon | you should really goto pitti's one, he has alot of good info | 05:48 |
| imbrandon | Jucato: ^ | 05:48 |
| Jucato | pitti's? | 05:48 |
| imbrandon | martin pitt , patching packagages | 05:49 |
| Jucato | ah | 05:49 |
| Jucato | I'm attending all of them :) | 05:49 |
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| toma | Riddell: are you sure you are only leaving one week? | 07:53 |
| Riddell | toma: why? | 07:54 |
| toma | Riddell: it sounds like you are leaving for a month ;-) | 07:55 |
| Lure | toma: it is first vacation after a while ,-) | 07:55 |
| Riddell | got to keep everyone busy | 07:55 |
| imbrandon | :) | 07:56 |
| Lure | toma: a week then feels like a month | 07:56 |
| imbrandon | ok i'm out for 2 or 3 hours, catch you all after bit | 07:56 |
| toma | Lure: so true | 07:56 |
| toma | imbrandon: did you leave a list of todo's? | 07:57 |
| imbrandon | toma: for whom? i wont be gone | 07:57 |
| imbrandon | :) | 07:57 |
| imbrandon | i have a big list of TODO's yea ( specialy over this next week ) | 07:58 |
| gnomefreak | are the sessions in -classroom for next week? | 07:58 |
| toma | ok, i have to ask, what is tunepimp? | 07:58 |
| Riddell | the other half of musicbrainz of course | 07:59 |
| toma | of course | 07:59 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: did you upload that to ubuntu ? | 08:01 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: no, it needs to be tested with amrok and juk first | 08:01 |
| Riddell | amarok | 08:01 |
| imbrandon | k | 08:01 |
| Riddell | http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/tunepimp/ | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | yea i was wondering hehe | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | kk i'll grab it after lunch | 08:02 |
| Riddell | cool, feel free to upload if it works | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | kk | 08:02 |
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| mhb | hi all | 08:17 |
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| fdoving | Riddell: the kpilot fix is not a small one.. it's a import from kpilot svn. | 09:25 |
| fdoving | or.. hang on.. parts are imported from svn, and kpalmdoc is removed among other things. | 09:26 |
| fdoving | the diff is not -that- huge, but it's more than a few lines of code. | 09:27 |
| Riddell | fdoving: mm, so it may well not be builtable for edgu-updates | 09:33 |
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| fdoving | I can try to make an request. | 09:34 |
| fdoving | I'll test-build on edgy first. | 09:34 |
| fdoving | the worst thing that can happen is that it's not accepted.. isn't it? | 09:34 |
| fdoving | would need someone with palms to test though.. | 09:34 |
| toma | fdoving: pilot link 1.12 in edgy? | 09:35 |
| toma | or something 12 | 09:35 |
| fdoving | yes, something 12. | 09:35 |
| toma | the kpilot is pretty broken now | 09:35 |
| toma | i doubt it can get worse with that update | 09:36 |
| fdoving | i know. that's why we want an SRU :) | 09:36 |
| toma | sru? | 09:36 |
| fdoving | !sru | 09:36 |
| ubotu | sru is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 09:36 |
| fdoving | process of getting updates into a stable release basically. | 09:36 |
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| Riddell | fdoving: it would be worth asking [ade] for his opinion first, he mentioned he was going to blog about it | 09:42 |
| fdoving | k. where do i find him? | 09:45 |
| fdoving | nm, found him with /whois. | 09:46 |
| toma | Riddell: the same pull happened for debian for etch | 09:47 |
| fdoving | i've copied the debian-way :) | 09:47 |
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| fdoving | nite. | 10:56 |
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| seele | Riddell: did anyone ever write an article about the Linux New Media award? | 11:35 |
| seele | I was going to try and write one, except the article is in German :P | 11:35 |
| pinheir0 | yea | 11:35 |
| pinheir0 | i got like 0 of that one | 11:35 |
| gnomefreak | anyone know what to use in bash script in place of a package? isnt it $PACKAGE or something like that? | 11:37 |
| gnomefreak | i can find anything on it :( | 11:37 |
| Tonio___ | imbrandon: I looked at kwin style crystal but the tarball is a bit different | 11:39 |
| Tonio___ | imbrandon: in fact there are several ways to get the stuff done, depends on what we want.... | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I have done something but in fact that requires so many changes that it is like releasing a new tarball.... | 11:40 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: the new tarball has several kubuntu styles in fact so the idea would be to add a new feisty branch in the list, but I'd like to discuss with kwwii before | 11:40 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I keep what I did at the moment so that we can make a point on that next week | 11:41 |
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