[12:14] <gnomefreak> anyone on feisty notice apt/aptitude not working?
[12:15] <Jucato> I couldn't even boot into feisty (vmware) right now... kernel panic :(
[12:20] <gnomefreak> would apt crashing be concidered security issue?
[12:20] <gnomefreak> eh i can change it later too hard to think today
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just wrote a script to download po files for guidance since it doesn't work with svn2dist
[12:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I send it to sime eventually
[12:42] <Riddell> it does, but you need to work out the magic place in svn2dist to edit
[12:42] <Riddell> and the Makefile.am
[12:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes I know but well editing svn2dist everytime is a pain
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: it can be done with a 2 lines script, and it works very nicelly so... :)
[12:43] <Riddell> :)
[12:44] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/37
[12:44] <Tonio_> okay the second line is ugly.... I'll rewrite it better later :)
[12:48] <Tonio_> hum it misses the new icons......... I'll have to check at ken svn branch
[12:51] <Tonio_> pinheir0: ping ?
[12:51] <pinheir0> hi Tonio_
[12:52] <Tonio_> hey :)
[12:52] <pinheir0> going to bed soon
[12:52] <Tonio_> pinheir0: any idea where ken has put the new guidance-powermanager icons ?
[12:52] <pinheir0> no idea
[12:52] <pinheir0> :)
[12:52] <Tonio_> there are not in his ken/ directory on oxygen branch
[12:52] <Tonio_> andnot in guidance......
[12:52] <Tonio_> okay I'll wait for him to had them :)
[12:52] <pinheir0> i think he send them to sebas
[12:52] <gnomefreak> is there a problem with pythonqt3?
[12:52] <gnomefreak> or pyqt3
[12:53] <gnomefreak> whatever the latest update was
[01:06] <Tonio_> pinheir0: found them hehe :)
[01:06] <Tonio_> pinheir0: thanks
[01:06] <Jucato> Hobbsee: morning! :)
[01:07] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[01:07] <Jucato> Hobbsee: have you seen this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[01:07] <Jucato> exactly what I've been looking for. almost perfect! (except for the time...)
[01:08] <Riddell> Jucato: has it been announced yet?
[01:08] <Jucato> Riddell: yep. in Ubuntu Fridge and Jono's blog
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Jucato: way cool
[01:10] <Riddell> and no evil marketing, excellent
[01:11] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yeah. I have to slightly turn my timezone upside down a bit :)
[01:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:12] <Jucato> the sessions are practically 11pm-5am here. But I think it's worth it
[01:12] <Jucato> Hobbsee: how come neither you nor Riddell will be giving a session? shouldn't the King and Queen be there? :P
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: either i wasnt asked, or i was, and said no, not understanding what it was.   i think it was the latter
[01:13] <Hobbsee> and Riddell needs to squish all the bugs
[01:13] <Jucato> Hobbsee: if you're still on DST, just add 3 hours to mine, afaik
[01:15] <Hobbsee> 2am - 8am.  yay.
[01:15] <Jucato> hehehe
[01:19] <Hobbsee> nixternal: fixed feisty yet?
[02:59] <Riddell> _Sime: any clue what this is? http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.announce/6636
[02:59] <Riddell> http://pythonqt.sourceforge.net/
[03:00] <Riddell> ah, embedding python into qt, not qt bindings for python
[03:42] <nixternal> Hobbsee: feisty is still broken for me
[03:42] <nixternal> i will probably fix it this weekend when i get some time..just do a reload probably
[03:42] <Hobbsee> nixternal: did you upgrade udev or coreutils?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> nixternal: do you know how to chroot?
[03:42] <nixternal> not 100%
[03:43] <Hobbsee> !chroot
[03:43] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[03:43] <nixternal> i just did a typical upgrade yesterday and it wouldn't boot afterwards
[03:44] <Hobbsee> nixternal: dchroot /media/feisty and upgrade it from there
[03:44] <Hobbsee> yes, there were two updates that broke, and were quickly fixed
[03:44] <nixternal> i can't log into that machine though
[03:44] <Hobbsee> or wherever you've got hte feisty / mounted
[03:44] <Hobbsee> you've only got feisty on it?
[03:44] <nixternal> ya
[03:45] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:45] <nixternal> that is my test machine
[03:45] <Hobbsee> you can use a live cd for ti
[03:45] <nixternal> hmm..i will give that a try
[03:54] <Jucato> is it normal that an upgrade removes hal? (feisty)
[03:56] <Hobbsee> Jucato: probably not....
[03:56] <orkid> why can't you login? it won't boot?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> orkid: yes
[03:56] <orkid> what part of the boot?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> the first, iirc
[03:56] <orkid> grub problem?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> er, just after that
[03:56] <nixternal> ya, it locks right after grub, and gives yout he no job stuff
[03:56] <Hobbsee> it's a coreutils/udev problem
[03:56] <orkid> i just did an upgrade from 6.10 to feisty and i couldn't boot.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> nixternal: recovery mode does nothing, presumably
[03:57] <Hobbsee> another victim
[03:57] <nixternal> no, recovery mode is dead as well
[03:57] <orkid>  oh ok. my grub entries got messed up and partition #s were changed. different problem i suppose.
[03:57] <Hobbsee> orkid: quite possibly.  if you know which partitions are which, you can just use /dev/hda# or whatever, and change it later
[03:58] <orkid> yeah, that's what i did (used the grub command line to boot)
[03:58] <orkid> it seems like startup of programs (eg firefox) is slower. don't know why.
[03:58] <Hobbsee> nixternal: tony* just mentioned it in #ubuntu+1
[03:58] <nixternal> oh well...im heading to bed..i gotta wake up to get in line at the local best buy so i can get me a new laptop at 5am ;)
[04:00] <Hobbsee> nice
[04:00] <orkid> oh tomorrow's friday.
[04:00] <orkid> i need a new laptop...
[04:52] <Hobbsee> hrm, it appears that printing has died on feisty
[04:53] <Hobbsee> able to retrieve printer info. Printer answered:
[04:53] <Hobbsee> client-error-bad-reques
[04:54] <Hobbsee> printer URI: ipp://%E0%FB/%08%80?2%0850.205:631/ipp
[05:35] <Tonio_> Hobbsee printing is generally dying from the first week the the last one of every development cycle :)
[05:35] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: so it seems.  i've never seen that error though :)
[05:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee I'll give a try tomorrow
[05:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee at the moment I'm trying to get rid of kmplayer and fix kaffeine so that it doesn't crash konqueror
[05:37] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[05:37] <Tonio_> I've found an interesting couple of patches at suse
[05:37] <Hobbsee> oh nice!  what about?
[05:37] <Tonio_> the first one removes xinitthread from kaffeine and the second one performs the same in konqueror
[05:38] <Tonio_> the problem in fact is in xinelibs, and that looks like a working workaround
[05:38] <Tonio_> if it works, we will be able to ship one player for all, would be nice
[05:40] <Tonio_> the point is I never saw any bug report concerning this issue for opensuse, that's why I looked carezfully at the patches they had for konqueror and kaffeine :)
[05:40] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[05:40] <Tonio_> doesn't mean it'll work, but I'm confident in it
[05:43] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:00] <imbrandon> Riddell: almost done with those MIR's i'll post them here in a few minutes
[01:00] <imbrandon> btw moins all
[01:02] <Riddell> imbrandon: rocking
[01:13] <imbrandon> moins kwwii apokryphos gnomefreak jsgotangco 
[01:14] <apokryphos> hiya imbrandon
[01:14] <jsgotangco> hello!
[01:14] <kwwii> howdy
[01:14] <gnomefreak> moin imbrandon 
[01:17] <gnomefreak> the problem is only i can produce it. and its after everything is installed that it does it
[02:01] <Tonio_> yop
[02:02] <Riddell> isn't that a youghart drink from france?
[02:02] <Tonio_> youghart ?
[02:03] <Tonio_> wdtm ?
[02:03] <Tonio_> ah yagourt !
[02:03] <Riddell> something like that
[02:03] <Tonio_> yes it is a friendly way to say hello *and* a french liquid yogourt :)
[02:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I spent all the day fixing kaffeine to avoid crash in konq
[02:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I succeded, but that crashes kfmclient :(
[02:04] <Riddell> how did you do that?
[02:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: works with binary konqurror though
[02:04] <Tonio_> by removing xinitthread from kaffeine and using it in konqueror instead
[02:04] <Tonio_> that works
[02:05] <Tonio_> but kfmclient crashes, I don't understand why
[02:05] <Tonio_> with konqueror it now works like a charm, so I don't know it investigating a bit more to improve my patch is usefull or not ?
[02:06] <Tonio_> it would be so nice having just one player out of the box...
[02:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: interested in the segfault output of kfmclient and the patch ? maybe you can fix it easilly
[02:06] <Tonio_> kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing -> craches
[02:06] <Tonio_> konqueror -> perfect
[02:06] <Tonio_> shouldn't be hard to fix I hope
[02:08] <Riddell> I don't have time today, but keep it around to look at in future
[02:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay thanks
[02:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho your python-kde3 package causes problems, guidance failed to build when I uploaded
[02:09] <imbrandon> moins Tonio_ 
[02:09] <Tonio_> it worked before your upload what done
[02:10] <Tonio_> hey imbrandon
[02:10] <Riddell> ug
[02:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes and even the built package doesn't work now, the modules are broken here
[02:11] <Tonio_> ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (initqt)
[02:11] <Tonio_> this is the error reported by powermanager
[02:13] <Riddell> ug
[02:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning kaffeine, the issue is due to xine architecture, so another solution would be to switch back to gstreamer
[02:16] <Tonio_> xine requires that xinitthread is initialized in fact otherwise it crashes
[02:17] <Tonio_> gstreamer doesn't need this
[02:17] <Riddell> there's no gstreamer 0.10 backend in kaffeine
[02:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: suse has patched it to work with 0.10 ;)
[02:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: I spent all the night on that so I know exactly what does suse, mandriva, fedora etc do :)
[02:18] <Tonio_> so if it is just a matter or gstreamer 0.10 we can patch it
[02:18] <Tonio_> the point is amarok
[02:18] <Tonio_> imbrandon: what is the status of the gstreamer engine ? I couldn't find it
[02:18] <Tonio_> is it abandoned ?
[02:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: interesting
[02:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes ;)
[02:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay here is the plan, I'll reactivate the gstreamer plugin in kaffeine with the suse patch and test
[02:19] <Riddell> the main gstreamer engine doesn't seem to be developed, but I read of another engine which just runs gstreamer from the command line to work
[02:19] <imbrandon> Tonio_: gst overall or in kde/amarok ?
[02:20] <Tonio_> imbrandon: in amarok
[02:20] <Tonio_> amarok-gstreamer package doesn't exist and amarok-engines doesn't provide it
[02:20] <Tonio_> I'm testing with kaffeine
[02:20] <imbrandon> Tonio_: the developers just gave it up over gst 0.8 but they planed to relook at it in amarok 2.0 / gst 0.10 but i dont think that is active atm
[02:21] <imbrandon> Tonio_: right upstream dropped it for the moment
[02:21] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hum.... and what about the engine Riddell was talking about ?
[02:21] <imbrandon> there is no amarok-gstreamer anymore, their might be sometime 
[02:21] <imbrandon> i dont know about the one Riddell is talking about
[02:22] <Riddell> I'm not super keen to move to gstreamer though, stuff like DVDs don't work and it would stop the install-mp3 script from working
[02:22] <imbrandon> but it might work, but i can ask markey and eean today about the gst amarok status again
[02:22] <Tonio_> imbrandon: if switching to gstreamer with the kaffeine suse patch works, it would be interesting to look at this evnetually
[02:22] <imbrandon> Tonio_: sometime, but it would require lots of changes like Riddell said
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? that's just a matter of installing another package no ?
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: and gstreamer can now use w32codecs
[02:23] <imbrandon> Tonio_: not really, it would require changes to gst ( that are being made upstream now but might not be ready for feisty )
[02:23] <imbrandon> so they can do with totem what we do with amarok
[02:23] <imbrandon> ( that was talked about at UDS , thats why i went to those BoF's )
[02:23] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hehe, okay
[02:24] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I though the script was just a matter of amarok, not the engine in use
[02:24] <imbrandon> so in the LONG run yes, maybe, but short term it would not work right, but LONG term we're looking at phoneon anyhow with kde4 ( that will use gst )
[02:24] <imbrandon> Tonio_: no its part of amarok-xine , not amarok proper
[02:24] <Tonio_> imbrandon: okay didn't knew this........ sucks !
[02:25] <Tonio_> there is no solution in fact.......
[02:25] <Tonio_> okay let's stay with kmplayer at the moment
[02:25] <imbrandon> i dont think we should worry about gst untill feisty+1 and kde4 IMHO
[02:25] <imbrandon> but thats just my experince
[02:25] <Tonio_> imbrandon: well the point was that gst was the solution for the kaffeine issue in fact
[02:26] <imbrandon> ahh
[02:26] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the crash when embedded in konq is due to xine arch
[02:26] <imbrandon> yea we need to find a nice wideo player that does mostly only videos ( like totem for gnome ) and has a plugin
[02:26] <Tonio_> imbrandon: this is why ubuntu doesn't have any problems with firefox -> they use gstreamer
[02:26] <imbrandon> and works with xine
[02:26] <Riddell> Tonio, imbrandon: what kubuntu work needs done in the next week?
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have to finish the multimedia stuff, revu kds too
[02:27] <Tonio_> but the merge process for main is almost done
[02:27] <Riddell> man, we tock
[02:27] <Riddell> rock too
[02:27] <imbrandon> Riddell: umm i just finished the last of the amarok stuff last nigth and uploaded and planned on working on the .directory stuff from the k-d-s bof, that was _my_ plans
[02:27] <imbrandon> yea most of the merges for main are done
[02:28] <imbrandon> very very few left
[02:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is that I did lots of uvf exception requests during edgy, so I don't have a lot of packages to merge ;)
[02:28] <imbrandon> ohh BTW while all 3 of us are here
[02:28] <Tonio_> imbrandon: well I'll upload kaffeine in a few minutes, but I wanted to try once more to fix this before upload
[02:28] <Tonio_> I'll remove the patch and upload right now
[02:28] <imbrandon> PLEASE dont upload amaork 1.4.5 right away when it comes out PLEASE
[02:29] <imbrandon> ohh BTW while all 3 of us are here ^^
[02:29] <imbrandon> there is a major packaging delta from debian --> ubuntu and since i'm uploading both debian and ubuntu's now ( via ana in debian ) i want to try to sync them with 1.4.5
[02:30] <imbrandon> is the reason ^^
[02:30] <Tonio_> the point is I really do't understand why kaffeine upstream doesn't want to perform like kmplayer does.......
[02:30] <Tonio_> he considers that's xine fault so that's it......... developpers.........
[02:30] <Riddell> imbrandon: when is 1.4.5 coming out?  and why not upload it?
[02:30] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I won't ;) I only uploaded amarok once including my changes, but know I consider this your work, not mine
[02:31] <imbrandon> Riddell: there is a major packaging delta from debian --> ubuntu and since i'm uploading both debian and ubuntu's now ( via ana in debian ) i want to try to sync them with 1.4.5
[02:31] <Riddell> imbrandon: right, parsed now :)
[02:31] <imbrandon> i wanna upload it to debian first then merge
[02:31] <Tonio_> imbrandon: just be sure to keep my changes when you merge :)
[02:31] <imbrandon> Tonio_: i will
[02:31] <imbrandon> its just right not the orig.tar.gz are diffrent so i hade to fake sync
[02:31] <imbrandon> i want to fix that for 1.4.5 but it will have to be in debian first
[02:31] <Riddell> imbrandon: I wonder if debian would mind adding the same epoch to amarok we foolishly gave it
[02:32] <imbrandon> Riddell: heheh i'm already ahead of you
[02:32] <imbrandon> i'm working with ana to co-maintain it and he said we could possible do that
[02:32] <imbrandon> sooonish i *hope* i get co-maintainer on it
[02:34] <imbrandon> anyhow , other than that amarok stuff, i planned on getting a good .directory plan togather and start implmenting it this week, for 2 reasons , the grey folder thing instead of .hidden and the directory translations
[02:34] <imbrandon> Riddell: ^^
[02:34] <imbrandon> thats my plans this week, as most of the main merges are done
[02:35] <imbrandon> ( and work on some universe merges as i have time )
[02:35] <imbrandon> Riddell / Tonio_ : is the usb unmounting thing on either of your TODO's ? ( will probably have to work with _Sime close on that one )
[02:36] <imbrandon> if not i'll add that to mine
[02:36] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes, that's a major one
[02:36] <Tonio_> imbrandon: according to _Sime that's not due to his patches, but I wonder.........; nobody except kubuntu users are reporting this
[02:36] <imbrandon> Tonio_: do you have time to look that over with _Sime ? it /might/ not be due to his patches but would be nice to be fixed
[02:37] <Tonio_> next week I'll have time yes
[02:37] <imbrandon> kk
[02:39] <Riddell> imbrandon: I don't think we should put a .directory in every / directory, I'd rather just in /home and /media with special icons for those two
[02:40] <imbrandon> hrm ok
[02:40] <imbrandon> you dont want to make the others gray ?
[02:41] <imbrandon> ( note they will have to be in everyt directory anyhow for translations )
[02:41] <Riddell> no, it would stop working if anyone added another directory
[02:41] <Riddell> and I think people will object to having dozens of .directory files
[02:41] <imbrandon> true and true
[02:41] <Riddell> translations?
[02:41] <imbrandon> directory name translations
[02:41] <imbrandon> they were looking at using them for that also
[02:42] <Riddell> not for / directories surely?
[02:43] <Riddell> it would work for /home and /media but translating /etc and the like make no sense
[02:43] <imbrandon> that was my understanding , but i may be wrong, thus the plan for it also hehehe
[02:43] <Riddell> ~/Desktop is the main one its needed for
[02:43] <imbrandon> right
[02:43] <imbrandon> hum ok, well that makes that easy
[02:43] <Riddell> and ~/Pictures, ~/Music if we start using those
[02:43] <imbrandon> is there a project you would like me to look at over the next week then 
[02:44] <imbrandon> yea, i would like to start using those ( the ~/<something> ) as digicam and such already tries to
[02:46] <Tonio_> okay kaffeine uploaded
[02:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd like to fix guidance eventually :) the packaging is done now, so let me paste you the buildlog error
[02:47] <imbrandon> back in ~20 minutes
[02:49] <Tonio_> imbrandon: when you're back, are you going to merge kwin-style-crystal ?
[02:49] <Tonio_> I can do it
[02:49] <imbrandon> Tonio_: go ahead if you want
[02:49] <imbrandon> i was going to but it wasent high on my list
[02:50] <imbrandon> ok really afk ~20 minutes ( food )
[02:50] <Tonio_> okay bye !
[02:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdebluetooth is done too, but I didn't use the dbus stuff at the moment, too experimental
[02:51] <Riddell> ok
[02:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: also I didn't sync with the debian packaging since there are errors in it (files conflicting with kdelibs etc...)
[02:51] <Riddell> yeah, that's fine
[02:51] <Tonio_> I don't know if it works on debian....
[02:52] <Tonio_> hum I'll give a try at kdebindings everyday too.... the error is outside of the package the maybe it'll be fixed one day....
[02:52] <Tonio_> I'll just have to build it everyday and check
[02:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: by the way java bindings have been removed from SVN, so I don't care if they're not in kubuntu
[02:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum cool, we can to an svn sync eventually
[02:53] <Tonio_> or just hack the tarball :)
[02:53] <Tonio_> okay I'll do that, thanks for the tip
[02:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will not sync kmplayer too since debian doesn't split the package, so I maintain it appart of debian, I just sync the patches in fact
[02:54] <Riddell> groovy
[02:55] <Tonio_> we're almost done :) we will have a bunch of time to work on the specs, that's cool :)
[02:56] <Tonio_> I have to fix jabbin and wengophone packages too...
[02:56] <Kryczek> hi there :)
[02:56] <Tonio_> concerning wengophone it looks like the error is due to the scons build
[02:56] <Kryczek> Tonio_: anything new on that KWallet issue?
[02:56] <Tonio_> works when built with cmake
[02:56] <Tonio_> Kryczek: no........
[02:56] <Tonio_> the kde maintainer didn't even answer.......
[02:57] <Kryczek> Tonio_: I talked with him
[02:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we have a look at pwmanager ?
[02:57] <Kryczek> and was highly disappointed
[02:57] <Kryczek> he's stubborn and won't do anything about the issue
[02:57] <Kryczek> not even help us
[02:57] <Tonio_> Kryczek: bah he doesn't read the bug reports
[02:57] <Kryczek> s/help/guide
[02:57] <Tonio_> Kryczek: but the issue isn't in kwallet code in fact
[02:57] <Kryczek> Tonio_: you want the conversation log?
[02:57] <Tonio_> I reverted the code and that doesn't help
[02:57] <Kryczek> ok
[02:57] <Tonio_> the problem is in kicker or kdeinit
[02:58] <Kryczek> but still I found his behavior highly irresponsible
[02:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: we can look at it, but the kwallet author is exceedingly competant, I'd rather work out what was wrong with it
[02:58] <Tonio_> kwallet crashes on logout in fact so that the changes are not saved
[02:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: bah competant, but doesn't take care of bug reports.......
[02:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: well technically kwalet works
[02:59] <Tonio_> the problem is that due to kdeinit (which sometimes breaks knetworkmanager too) kwallet crashes on logout
[02:59] <Tonio_> and kwallet only saves changes in the wallet on close
[03:00] <Tonio_> the good workarround would be that kwallet saves the wallet on every input
[03:00] <Tonio_> I don't understand why it doesn't work like that
[03:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: if someone can do that patch, it'll work
[03:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is a bug id on kde, let me give you the bug number
[03:01] <Tonio_> Kryczek: show me the logs please ;)
[03:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136411
[03:01] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 136411 in kwallet "KWallet loses new passwords when closed since XML file import" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[03:01] <Tonio_> everything is in it
[03:03] <Tonio_> Kryczek: well when I said the error wasn't "in" kwallet, it is a combinason in fact
[03:03] <Tonio_> there is no reason that the wallet is saved only at logout....
[03:03] <Tonio_> maybe there is one, but I can't figure out what
[03:05] <Tonio_> ctcp ?
[03:05] <Tonio_> dcc please :)
[03:05] <Kryczek> oops :D
[03:05] <Riddell> we should look if we can have a Kubuntu version of /etc/readahead/desktop
[03:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: what's this ?
[03:06] <Tonio_> Kryczek:http:// paste.tonio.homelinux.org
[03:06] <Kryczek> Tonio_: file to be cached i suppose
[03:06] <Kryczek> for faster access
[03:06] <Riddell> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=254263 explains it well
[03:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: reading thanks
[03:07] <Kryczek> Tonio_: any good syntax hilighting template for irc logs? :)
[03:07] <Tonio_> okay it is the equivalent of microsoft bootvis :)
[03:07] <Tonio_> Kryczek: not needed don't mind :)
[03:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: interesting I didn't knew an equivalent on linux exist
[03:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem with this is that it depends on each machine
[03:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: modules to load etc.....
[03:09] <imbrandon> Riddell: have fun on your trip , i'll try not to break all of main ( just kidding )
[03:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: most of the files are the same depending on the desktop you load
[03:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, but it looks like faster on good machines, but slow on light ones.......
[03:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: could be dangerous in my opinion
[03:10] <Kryczek> Tonio_: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/38
[03:14] <Tonio_> Kryczek: okay so both of you were wrong in fact :)
[03:14] <Tonio_> Kryczek: first, the patch doesn't resolv the issue this time (worked for the 3.5.4 issues but not this problem)
[03:14] <Tonio_> and secondly, it doesn't introduce any crash
[03:15] <Tonio_> the point is probably that kwallet should save new entries everytime something is written to the wallet in my opinion
[03:15] <Tonio_> that would resolve the issue
[03:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll have a look at that readahead thing, but I'll test it on a 256mbits machine first
[03:16] <Riddell> :)
[03:16] <Riddell> I don't know how we'd do a kubuntu version, you can't do alternatives on conf files
[03:17] <Tonio_> hum, yes
[03:17] <Tonio_> well we can easily do that by breaking the debian policy hehe
[03:17] <Tonio_> joking of course
[03:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is possible to do alternatives on the initscript
[03:18] <Tonio_> and the initscript contains the path to the config file, so........ :)
[03:18] <Riddell> maybe, sounds dangerous but
[03:18] <Tonio_> but works :)
[03:20] <seaLne> does anyone happen to know if there is a way to save a (KDE) session other than selecting save session from the k menu?  i'm trying to save a session with konq fullscreen
[03:20] <Tonio_> seaLne: will not work
[03:20] <Tonio_> seaLne: konqueror and kopete have issues in saving the window size for at least 2 years :)
[03:21] <seaLne> it saved fine, with restore last session thingy
[03:21] <seaLne> i just want to make it so it can't be mistakenly changed
[03:21] <Tonio_> seaLne: even the window size ?
[03:21] <seaLne> yep, stayed fullscreen
[03:21] <Tonio_> hum interesting
[03:22] <seaLne> my konqs stay the right size on my desktop aswell
[03:22] <Tonio_> seaLne: how do you save the session from the kmenu ?
[03:22] <seaLne> "save session"
[03:22] <Tonio_> seaLne: I don't see this i nthe kmenu
[03:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/39
[03:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: buildlog for guidance
[03:23] <seaLne> you need to have changed in the session settings
[03:23] <Tonio_> seaLne: ah okay ;)
[03:23] <seaLne> on login: from restore previous session to restore manual session
[03:23] <Tonio_> well I assume it is possible somehow with dcop....
[03:23] <seaLne> this is for connecting to a plasma display :)
[03:23] <Tonio_> seaLne: tried to browse with kdcop somehow ?
[03:24] <seaLne> but then it would be saved as being running?
[03:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm pretty sure the issue is due to your changes since I built it correctly yesterday afternoon
[03:25] <Tonio_> seaLne: probably yes
[03:26] <seaLne> "dcop ksmserver default saveCurrentSession" but gives a complaint about "ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server!" when i ssh in
[03:26] <seaLne> is dcop linked to being logged in?
[03:27] <Tonio_> seaLne: use /bin/bash not /bin/sh
[03:28] <Riddell> seaLne: yes, it is
[03:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/40
[03:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: what's this ? libkonsolepart.so required to install python-kde3 ?
[03:30] <Riddell> yes, it is now
[03:30] <Riddell> not sure what would be causing that error
[03:34] <Riddell> so I need to make python-kde3 depend on konsole
[03:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: probably yes
[03:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: want me to do it ? I have time for this :)
[03:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've done the package, so I can upload if you want/don't mind
[03:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: I've just done it
[03:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe okay
[03:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm reading at your mail, concerning edgy-proposed patches
[03:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: how to check who confirmed it worked ?
[03:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: they should say so on the bug report
[03:43] <Tonio_> okay
[03:44] <Riddell> then you include their details in the -updates changelog
[03:44] <Riddell> see the StableReleaseUpdates page before doing any such upload though
[03:44] <Tonio_> great it is clear now
[03:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I know I should..... I have rarelly been involved in working on updates for the stable release, that's my problem :)
[03:45] <Tonio_> I generally only focus on the dev one
[03:45] <Tonio_> I'll make a point on that with imbrandon, I know he knows all of this perfectly
[03:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: you could go along to the open week talks and find out how it all works :)
[03:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure :)
[03:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: well the point is also a matter of interest to me :)
[04:00] <Riddell> by the way jono is looking for more talkers if you want to do a session on something
[04:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is important to fix issues on the stable one, but well I'd be glad is someone else would do the job hehe :)
[04:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe yes, why not
[04:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: but well as you know, I'm not a great "speaker" because of my english....
[04:01] <Tonio_> I am handicaped to do such things (wouldn't have any problem if it was in french)
[04:01] <Riddell> in my experience you speak plenty :)
[04:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes but I'm not self-confident in my english to do so
[04:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: in france everyone say I speak WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too much
[04:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: as you've seen in the UDS, I don't speak that much during the meetings
[04:02] <Tonio_> psychological issue I think :)
[04:03] <Tonio_> but as I have to fight this, I may do a talk eventually, yes
[04:05] <Tonio_> _Sime, sebas: I did a snapshot of guidance and I'll upload toonight.... there were a few icons missing (90% charging/discharging) I did them so would you please upload them in svn ?
[04:51] <Lure> Riddell: already gone to Pula?
[04:52] <Riddell> Lure: leaving tonight
[04:52] <Riddell> Lure: I believe the dudes in #ubuntu-hr are planning an event on tuesday evening
[04:52] <Lure> Riddell: any plans to come to Ljubljana? I am out on Wed/Thu (in Germany), but otherwise I am here
[04:53] <Riddell> I have no plans, /msg me your phone number and I'll let you know
[04:53] <Riddell> I think my girlfriend won't be too happy if I spend too much time with computer people :)
[04:54] <Lure> Riddell: ;-) - fine with me
[04:54] <Lure> Riddell: you got my mail about hints what to do?
[04:55] <Riddell> Lure: yes, thanks
[05:11] <imbrandon> wow, marks blog went right for Novell's throat
[05:12] <imbrandon> :)
[05:13] <Riddell> oh, it's begun has it
[05:14] <imbrandon> yea , check out planet ( and he links to a few other blogs ) apparently kubuntu ( not ubuntu ) has picked up a few high profile suse guys reciently ?
[05:15] <imbrandon> its kinda funny as i came from SuSE too ( just a year or so earlier than all this mess LOL )
[05:15] <Riddell> the lead postgres developer blogged about changing to kubuntu
[05:16] <Riddell> but really, I don't like trying to steal developers from SuSE
[05:17] <imbrandon> as long as they still contribute upstream i think its good
[05:17] <Riddell> they do, a lot
[05:17] <imbrandon> will make kubuntu the defacto desktop
[05:17] <Riddell> what will?
[05:18] <fdoving> i think it's important to cooperate.. not compete. goodwill from suse can be a very very good thing.
[05:19] <Riddell> exactly
[05:19] <Riddell> well, we compete too, but I'd rather compete for converts to windows than for each other's developers
[05:19] <Riddell> s/to/from/
[05:20] <imbrandon> true but if they are gonna switch anyway from suse ( because of discontent with novel ) we might as well swoop them up
[05:20] <imbrandon> but not "actively" recruit
[05:25] <Riddell> mm
[05:25] <Riddell> anyone heard of an update which stops amarok and kaffeine playing oggs?
[05:26] <imbrandon> hrm, not here, seems ok
[05:27] <imbrandon> it would have to be a xine update
[05:27] <imbrandon> if that was the case
[05:28] <fdoving> Riddell: the kpilot issue qualifies for an SRU, right? 
[05:28] <Riddell> fdoving: yes, if the diff isn't too large
[05:29] <fdoving> let's hope it's small.. building now.
[05:29] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea i'm on uptodate feisty and amarok seems to play ogg fine
[05:29] <imbrandon> just made sure
[05:29] <fdoving> so.. feisty is usable? maybe i should do an upgrade on the ibook.
[05:30] <fdoving> bbl. dinner.
[05:30] <imbrandon> fdoving: its "useable" i wouldent call it stable or such
[05:30] <imbrandon> things are still breaking quite often
[05:30] <imbrandon> :)
[05:32] <fdoving> I just hate the X breakages..
[05:32] <Jucato> I get kernel panics on vmware...
[05:32] <fdoving> think i'll run edgy for a while.. atleast on one computer. anyway.. dinner. bbl.
[05:35] <imbrandon> yea i still keep edgy on my laptop incase something inportant breaks, but i have feisty on my main dev desktop
[05:37] <imbrandon> Jucato: not essential but very very helpfull ( and common , a "stable" box for if the world breaks , and a dev box mostly )
[05:37] <Jucato> imbrandon: btw, I'm looking forward to your "talk". hopefully I won't miss this one...
[05:38] <Riddell> Jucato: it helps
[05:38] <Riddell> but chroots and the like also help
[05:38] <Jucato> and then there's always dual booting...
[05:45] <imbrandon> Jucato: hehe
[05:46] <imbrandon> Jucato: the main one i'm doing is the kubuntu one and the packaging 101 ( for those that have never made a package before ) , the others i'm penciled in for are because jono decided i should find someone to fill the other slots
[05:46] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:46] <Jucato> hehe
[05:47] <Jucato> I've also started to read the Ubuntu Packaging Guide. this UbuntuOpenWeek is exactly what I need.
[05:47] <Jucato> I'll be turning my timezones upside down just to make it :)
[05:48] <imbrandon> you should really goto pitti's one, he has alot of good info
[05:48] <imbrandon> Jucato: ^
[05:48] <Jucato> pitti's?
[05:49] <imbrandon> martin pitt , patching packagages
[05:49] <Jucato> ah
[05:49] <Jucato> I'm attending all of them :)
[07:53] <toma> Riddell: are you sure you are only leaving one week?
[07:54] <Riddell> toma: why?
[07:55] <toma> Riddell: it sounds like you are leaving for a month ;-)
[07:55] <Lure> toma: it is first vacation after a while ,-)
[07:55] <Riddell> got to keep everyone busy
[07:56] <imbrandon> :)
[07:56] <Lure> toma: a week then feels like a month 
[07:56] <imbrandon> ok i'm out for 2 or 3 hours, catch you all after bit
[07:56] <toma> Lure: so true
[07:57] <toma> imbrandon: did you leave a list of todo's?
[07:57] <imbrandon> toma: for whom? i wont be gone 
[07:57] <imbrandon> :)
[07:58] <imbrandon> i have a big list of TODO's yea ( specialy over this next week )
[07:58] <gnomefreak> are the sessions in -classroom for next week?
[07:58] <toma> ok, i have to ask, what is tunepimp?
[07:59] <Riddell> the other half of musicbrainz of course
[07:59] <toma> of course
[08:01] <imbrandon> Riddell: did you upload that to ubuntu ?
[08:01] <Riddell> imbrandon: no, it needs to be tested with amrok and juk first
[08:01] <Riddell> amarok
[08:01] <imbrandon> k
[08:02] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/tunepimp/
[08:02] <imbrandon> yea i was wondering hehe
[08:02] <imbrandon> kk i'll grab it after lunch
[08:02] <Riddell> cool, feel free to upload if it works
[08:02] <imbrandon> kk
[08:17] <mhb> hi all
[09:25] <fdoving> Riddell: the kpilot fix is not a small one.. it's a import from kpilot svn.
[09:26] <fdoving> or.. hang on.. parts are imported from svn, and kpalmdoc is removed among other things.
[09:27] <fdoving> the diff is not -that- huge, but it's more than a few lines of code.
[09:33] <Riddell> fdoving: mm, so it may well not be builtable for edgu-updates
[09:34] <fdoving> I can try to make an request.
[09:34] <fdoving> I'll test-build on edgy first.
[09:34] <fdoving> the worst thing that can happen is that it's not accepted.. isn't it? 
[09:34] <fdoving> would need someone with palms to test though.. 
[09:35] <toma> fdoving: pilot link 1.12 in edgy?
[09:35] <toma> or something 12
[09:35] <fdoving> yes, something 12.
[09:35] <toma> the kpilot is pretty broken now 
[09:36] <toma> i doubt it can get worse with that update
[09:36] <fdoving> i know. that's why we want an SRU :)
[09:36] <toma> sru?
[09:36] <fdoving> !sru
[09:36] <ubotu> sru is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[09:36] <fdoving> process of getting updates into a stable release basically.
[09:42] <Riddell> fdoving: it would be worth asking [ade]  for his opinion first, he mentioned he was going to blog about it
[09:45] <fdoving> k. where do i find him? 
[09:46] <fdoving> nm, found him with /whois.
[09:47] <toma> Riddell: the same pull happened for debian for etch
[09:47] <fdoving> i've copied the debian-way :)
[10:56] <fdoving> nite.
[11:35] <seele> Riddell: did anyone ever write an article about the Linux New Media award?
[11:35] <seele> I was going to try and write one, except the article is in German :P
[11:35] <pinheir0> yea
[11:35] <pinheir0> i got like 0 of that one
[11:37] <gnomefreak> anyone know what to use in bash script in place of a package? isnt it $PACKAGE or something like that?
[11:37] <gnomefreak> i can find anything on it :(
[11:39] <Tonio___> imbrandon: I looked at kwin style crystal but the tarball is a bit different
[11:39] <Tonio___> imbrandon: in fact there are several ways to get the stuff done, depends on what we want....
[11:40] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I have done something but in fact that requires so many changes that it is like releasing a new tarball....
[11:40] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the new tarball has several kubuntu styles in fact so the idea would be to add a new feisty branch in the list, but I'd like to discuss with kwwii before
[11:41] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I keep what I did at the moment so that we can make a point on that next week