[12:13] <idigtal> How do i get ubuntu and kubuntu install togther?
[12:13] <loz> what is your prime install
[12:13] <loz> are you inkubuntu
[12:14] <loz> or ubuntu
[12:14] <idigtal> kubutu
[12:14] <loz> well ubuntu is just a desktop
[12:14] <loz> so you open a console
[12:14] <loz> and type
[12:15] <loz> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:15] <loz> i think
[12:15] <loz> i did this on mine
[12:15] <loz> and you can enjoy the lovely 3 d desktop
[12:16] <DekKeD> anyone here uses Octave?
[12:16] <loz> i m on kubuntu+with ubuntu desktop
[12:16] <loz> it works a treat
[12:16] <idigtal> does it matter if i install ubuntu first?
[12:17] <loz> DekkeD sorry i dont
[12:17] <loz> i think you d be better of
[12:17] <Jucato> if you're on Ubuntu, you install kubuntu-desktop. If you're in Kubuntu, you install ubuntu-desktop
[12:17] <loz> ubuntu is simalar to windows if your new to linux
[12:17] <SillyZ> ubuntu is much better than windows by a long shot
[12:18] <SillyZ> Im running a PIII-750, w/ 256mb ram, fresh installation of Kubuntu am looking to optimize the system for a little more speed, any suggestions?
[12:18] <loz> kde enviroment is a little bit boring, go for gnome on ubuntu, more fun, and enjoy axgl
[12:19] <stanko> hi all
[12:19] <loz> SillyZ yes change PC
[12:19] <SillyZ> loz, will on tuesday... new laptop on the way
[12:20] <loz> SillyZ, wich release of kde have you got?
[12:20] <BluesKaj> !libgcj.so.70
[12:20] <SillyZ> 3.5.5
[12:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libgcj.so.70 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:21] <SillyZ> loz, default which comes with Kubuntu 6.10
[12:21] <cntb> annoying -- issue ftp://zaban-bechor.co.il/samba-shr2-win-multiple-login.JPG
[12:21] <loz> SillyZ, surely you havent enough Ram if your on kubuntu s latest
[12:22] <SillyZ> loz, Oh i know 256 is nothing...
[12:22] <loz> i ve got  a centrino duo with 1 g of ram, and i recon that even with that it struggles
[12:23] <loz> especialy with the 3 d desktop
[12:23] <TubaSoldier> lfd
[12:23] <SillyZ> loz, Ill be pushin a intel duo core, 1.8gz w/ 1g ram as soon as it arrives on tuesday
[12:24] <loz> SillyZ, then wait till tuesday my friend, and go for the Edgy
[12:24] <cntb> dido
[12:24] <inkwell> real responsive group in #ubuntu-xgl
[12:24] <cntb> bulgarian?
[12:24] <SillyZ> Id like to get as much speed out of this old laptop as I can, then its going to act as a secondary station , others in the house getting on the internet surfin web, educational tools for the kids, etc , possibly even a print server
[12:24] <loz> cntb GB
[12:24] <SillyZ> oh belive u me, Ive already got my droooool bib on waiting for tuesday :D
[12:24] <cntb> annoying -- issue ftp://zaban-bechor.co.il/samba-shr2-win-multiple-login.JPG
[12:25] <SillyZ> 6.10 is edgy isnt it ?
[12:25] <loz> well ther is something called onesmalllinux.com i think
[12:25] <intelikey> what happens tuesday ?
[12:25] <dom> SillyZ, yes
[12:25] <SillyZ> new lappie intelikey
[12:26] <intelikey> k
[12:26] <SillyZ> seems the unrar package is busted too btw
[12:26] <loz> i want to install this on my bosss old pc
[12:26] <SillyZ> tried to install and says it will break other packages
[12:26] <intelikey> i'd like a new laptop.   mine is a 486
[12:27] <intelikey> i might even give up to $11 or even $12 for one....
[12:27] <loz> anybody know a good site for wireless
[12:27] <angasule> !subtitle
[12:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about subtitle - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:28] <TubaSoldier> lol, here is something for you. My old desktop just ended up in the posession of my nephew. It has a 1gig processor. His dad said his old computer must be faster because his processor is a mega-something....
[12:28] <loz> botsnack
[12:28] <angasule> is there a subtitle editor that's any use? KSubtile supports only .srt
[12:28] <intelikey> !botsnack | loz
[12:28] <ubotu> loz: Yum!
[12:28] <loz> ouch
[12:28] <idigtal> loz
[12:28] <angasule> TubaSoldier: introduce him to the cluebat
[12:28] <idigtal> i have this problem
[12:29] <TubaSoldier> angasule, I'll have to do that.
[12:29] <idigtal> i can't get my sound working on kubuntu
[12:29] <idigtal> 0000:01:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Rockwell International: Unknown device 4310
[12:29] <TubaSoldier> angasule, I have wanted to introduce him to that bat for years.
[12:29] <idigtal> and kmix say mixer cannot be found
[12:29] <cntb> that one is of the modem
[12:29] <intelikey> !sound | idigtal
[12:29] <ubotu> idigtal: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[12:29] <cntb> this may not be good
[12:30] <loz> obotu wireless problems
[12:30] <angasule> !wireless > loz
[12:30] <loz> ubotu wirelss problems
[12:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wirelss problems - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:31] <loz> ubotu wireless problems
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wireless problems - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:31] <Jucato> !wireless
[12:31] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:31] <intelikey> !wifi | loz
[12:31] <ubotu> loz: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:31] <idigtal> can someone help me get through this sound problem
[12:31] <loz> ubotu botsnak
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botsnak - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:32] <Jucato> !botabuse
[12:32] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots - Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops... ;-)
[12:32] <loz> ok sorry i ll stop abusing him
[12:33] <Jucato> and btw, it's !botsnack
[12:33] <Jucato> :P
[12:33] <intelikey> oh sorry, boot's ubotu
[12:34] <loz> does anybody know where the "pipe" key is on a qwerty keyboard?
[12:34] <loz> stupid question i know
[12:34] <intelikey> shift \
[12:34] <Jucato> above the \
[12:34] <Jucato> er.. waht intelikey said
[12:35] <Jucato> (sheesh! "above the \"! what was I thinking!)
[12:35] <intelikey> lol Jucato
[12:35] <loz> but i:
[12:35] <loz> err
[12:35] <ubuntu> hi all
[12:36] <Choogster> Hi all, I was hoping that someone might be able to help me out with some really basic know how?
[12:37] <intelikey> i have "really basic know how"  :)
[12:37] <Choogster> I am currently running a live version of 6.06
[12:37] <Jucato> which know how?
[12:37] <loz> ok, i ll rephrase, i got a laptop that i bought in spain, and its a qwerty keyboard, and i cant find the "pipe key, anybody?
[12:37] <intelikey> Jucato the really basic one
[12:38] <Jucato> loz: do you see the pipe key? it's supposed to be on the same key as the backslash
[12:38] <Choogster> and I am pretty new to linux, I would like to know if this is a 32 bit version or 64 bit. In windows I can just click on properties to find out what version of OS is running, how do I do that in linux?
[12:38] <SeanTater> is there a safe way to kill krfb_httpd?
[12:38] <loz> jucato, nope not there
[12:38] <intelikey> loz oh  pipeA  non-existant on qwerty
[12:38] <loz> { i get this
[12:38] <SeanTater> or is killall krfb_httpd the best way?
[12:39] <loz> no way
[12:39] <loz> what to do
[12:39] <Jucato> weird
[12:39] <loz> i needed that key
[12:39] <Jucato> I thought it was a standard in qwerty keyboards...
[12:39] <intelikey> loz map it to something.
[12:39] <Choogster> loz, you made sure that your install is set up for qwerty keyboard and not mac?
[12:39] <loz> yep
[12:40] <loz> |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
[12:40] <loz> found it
[12:40] <Choogster> that's pretty weird
[12:40] <intelikey> that's not pipeA
[12:40] <loz> its alt 1
[12:40] <intelikey> that's pipe
[12:40] <loz> loz is happy
[12:40] <loz> |||||||
[12:40] <Choogster> So, how can I tell is I am running 32 bit or 64 bit?
[12:40] <Choogster> if*
[12:41] <loz> nighty night ladies and gemmlemun
[12:41] <loz> gtg
[12:41] <intelikey> Choogster command uname -a
[12:42] <Choogster> it says ubuntu 2.6.15-23-386, 386, that's not 64 bit is it?
[12:43] <intelikey> nope
[12:43] <Choogster> thanks by the way intelikey
[12:43] <intelikey> you're welcome in the path
[12:43] <Choogster> Yeah, I have a three cd set for ubuntu, but none of them are marked lol
[12:44] <Choogster> they are marked disk 1-3, but I have no idea what 2 oand 3 do, I figured just bundles
[12:44] <Choogster> So, I will try ot boot from them
[12:44] <Choogster> thanks alot guys
[12:44] <intelikey> np
[12:54] <idigtal> I need help on my multimedia
[12:54] <idigtal> is unclaimed
[12:54] <idigtal> and i can here any sound
[12:54] <idigtal> Multimedia audio controller
[12:54] <idigtal> product: Rockwell International
[12:57] <intelikey> !sound | idigtal
[12:57] <ubotu> idigtal: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[12:57] <intelikey> one more time......
[12:57] <idigtal> ?
[12:57] <idigtal> what u mean !sound
[12:58] <globe> idigtal: look at the message from ubotu ....
[12:59] <idigtal> but i don't quit understand what
[12:59] <idigtal> it have to relate to my problem
[01:00] <bubu1uk> idigtal: what is ur problem?
[01:00] <idigtal> unable to play sound and unable detect my sound card
[01:01] <idigtal> Multimedia audio controller: Rockwell International: Unknown device 4310
[01:01] <intelikey> ooops that wasn't the way to close a bx window....
[01:02] <idigtal> and kmix sayiung mixer cannot be found
[01:02] <bubu1uk> !sound
[01:02] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[01:02] <bubu1uk> follow this links.
[01:02] <bubu1uk> it should give u idea what to do...
[01:02] <intelikey> idigtal so what is a "Multimedia audio controller" ?    is that anything like a sound card ?
[01:03] <intelikey> i really don't know anything about a "Multimedia audio controller"
[01:03] <idigtal> i read but i have no clue what is Debian
[01:03] <bubu1uk> ubuntu/kubuntu is based on debian. it's linux distro
[01:04] <intelikey> and you are unable or unwilling to go to google and search fro debian to find out what it is ?
[01:05] <intelikey> and unable or unwilling to read the page that has be shown you at least 5 times now ?
[01:05] <idigtal> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin >>> does it detect my sound card
[01:06] <intelikey> and expect us to fix your box for you ?    some times you get what you pay for.
[01:06] <brett> how do you install stuff after downloading it?
[01:06] <bubu1uk> what kinda stuff?
[01:06] <intelikey> brett use the packagemanager.
[01:06] <intelikey> !repos
[01:06] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:06] <bubu1uk> u got deb package?
[01:07] <brett> intelikey: how do i use that to download something off the internet
[01:07] <intelikey> brett what ?
[01:07] <brett> bubu1uk: vmware server
[01:07] <intelikey> use the package manager.
[01:07] <brett> intelikey: i just downloaded vmware server and i want to install it
[01:07] <bLaZeD> is there a easy to use program that will check a file...and get its md5sum then ask for a user to input a md5sum...then it will compair the 2...and say if they match or not
[01:07] <brett> intelikey: the package manager could not find it
[01:07] <intelikey> delete it and use the package manager.
[01:07] <brett> intelikey: in adept this program could not be found
[01:08] <intelikey> brett that's why the link  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:08] <Jucato> VMWare Server isn't in the repos
[01:08] <intelikey> Jucato it's not ?
[01:08] <intelikey>  just the client ?
[01:08] <Jucato> VMWare Player only
[01:08] <brett> intelikey: yup
[01:08] <bubu1uk> brett: do u have universe repos allowed?
[01:09] <brett> bubu1uk: yup
[01:09] <Jucato> brett: you might need to install "build-essential" to install vmware-server successfully
[01:09] <brett> Jucato: ok..install from adept?
[01:09] <intelikey> !b-e
[01:09] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:10] <intelikey> hmmm i guess the server is not in the restricted repos either ???
[01:10] <Jucato> intelikey: nope. nada :)
[01:10] <brett> Jucato: i cant find build essentials in adept
[01:10] <Jucato> brett: build-essential not build essentials
[01:10] <intelikey> vmware-player - Free virtual machine player from VMware   is why not the server ?
[01:11] <brett> Jucato: cool
[01:11] <brett> Jucato: installing it now
[01:11] <Jucato> intelikey: beats me
[01:12] <intelikey> ok i'll make a mental note.    brett sorry for the mis-dirrect.
[01:12] <brett> intelikey: np
[01:13] <intelikey> brett it helps to be specific when asking for info.  so idiots like me don't do that in the future :)
[01:15] <globe> are there term based mp3 players besides mpg123?
[01:16] <bubu1uk> globe: mp3blaster
[01:16] <brett> intelikey: ok thanks
[01:16] <bubu1uk> globe: for example.
[01:17] <globe> bubu1uk: thx
[01:17] <intelikey> globe vlc
[01:17] <brett> the compiling page wasnt much help
[01:17] <davide> <- kompletter linux neuling
[01:17] <davide> kann mir wer sagen wie ich firefox installiere
[01:17] <bubu1uk> intelikey: is vlc working only on console? didn't know that
[01:17] <davide> wenn ich das tar.gz file auf den desktop runtergeladen hab?
[01:18] <intelikey> brett after unpacking any tarball read the README and any other upper case file name in the dir it creates.
[01:18] <bubu1uk> !de
[01:18] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:18] <intelikey> bubu1uk it will yes.
[01:18] <Jucato> brett: you don't need to compile. you just need the compiler
[01:18] <Jucato> brett: the vmware installer will do it for you
[01:18] <intelikey> bubu1uk sox is good in the console.   sox provides the "play" and "rec" commands.
[01:19] <bubu1uk> intelikey: :D no need for me. like mp3blaster (either i dont use it. cuz allways in GUI
[01:19] <intelikey> but i think sox needs part of the mpg123
[01:20] <brett> there isn't a readme Jucato there is a directory called FILES in uppercase
[01:20] <brett> Jucato: err wait not a directory a file named FILES
[01:21] <Jucato> brett: that's for vmware-server?
[01:21] <Jucato> Dr_willis: might want to help him out then :P
[01:21] <intelikey> brett see the doctor.
[01:21] <Jucato> I have it installed too, btw
[01:21] <brett> Jucato: yes
[01:21] <brett> intelikey: the doctor? :-)
[01:21] <Dr_willis> I followed the guides/docs in the "ubuntu hacks' book...
[01:21] <Jucato> brett: you're just supposed to run the install script
[01:22] <idigtal> !voice
[01:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about voice - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:22] <intelikey> brett Dr_willis
[01:22] <Jucato> brett: "sudo ./vmware-install.pl"
[01:22] <brett> Jucato: ok how do i run it
[01:22] <Dr_willis> basicially you install build-essential and some other dev packages.. ghet the vmwaer server file from the vmware guys and run its installer
[01:22] <wimpies>  I might have found a bug in php 5.1 but before I can report it I need to upgrade to 5.2 ... Any packages ?
[01:22] <Jucato> Dr_willis: are you on Edgy?
[01:22] <Dr_willis> Yea - clean instll of edgy
[01:22] <brett> A previous installation of VMware software has been detected.
[01:23] <brett> it is talking about the client rather then the server i am trying to install
[01:23] <Jucato> Dr_willis: have you tried going to a tty in VMWare lately?
[01:23] <brett> err the player
[01:23] <Jucato> brett: you have vmware-player installed?
[01:23] <brett> Jucato: yes
[01:23] <Jucato> hm....
[01:23] <brett> Jucato: all i need is the file it needs to open
[01:23] <brett> Jucato: so i can run xp or 98
[01:23] <idigtal> how to install audio driver
[01:24] <Jucato> that I'm not familiar with... because I haven't installed vmware server after vmware player...
[01:24] <brett> Jucato: have you installed the server before the player
[01:24] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  to a tty?
[01:24] <Dr_willis> iv never used vmware player.
[01:25] <Jucato> Dr_willis: you know, Ctrl+Alt+F1? I have FC3 and Kubuntu Edgy on vmware server. Neither can go to the virtual terminal...
[01:26] <Dr_willis> cant say that ive ever tired to get to the console on a linux nstall of vmware :)
[01:26] <intelikey> Jucato i would think not.  if they did you would loose the base systems access the consoles....
[01:27] <Jucato> intelikey: what do you mean? I've been able to do it before (Dapper)
[01:27] <intelikey> i wouldn't want a vm to take over Ctrl+Alt+F*   that should remain the domain of the base system.
[01:27] <Jucato> Dr_willis: you need to do Ctrl+Alt+Space, release Space without releasing Ctrl+Alt, then press F1
[01:27] <Jucato> intelikey: no, vmware doesn't take over it.
[01:28] <intelikey> good....
[01:28] <intelikey>  that's what i'm saying, it shouldn't.
[01:28] <Jucato> intelikey: you use a special combination to be able to use the guest OS's Ctrl+Alt+Functions
[01:28] <brett> how do you use a make file?
[01:28] <bipster> probably not the first to ask the question - but can anyone help install edgy eft - hangs at screen 1 (language)
[01:28] <Dr_willis> brett,  touch file
[01:29] <intelikey> make
[01:29] <brett> Dr_willis: touch the make file?
[01:29] <intelikey> make
[01:29] <Dr_willis> brett,  i got it backewrds.. iread 'make a file' :)
[01:29] <brett> Dr_willis: heh
[01:29] <intelikey> a makefile is used by the make command.
[01:29] <brett> intelikey: just make then the make file name?
[01:30] <brett> intelikey: what if there are two make files
[01:30] <intelikey> brett try just make
[01:30] <brett> intelikey: type 'make' ? and nothing else? that didn't do anything
[01:30] <milaks> Hi, can someone please tell me, what should I drag from ksysguards left part (localhost tree) to sysguard applet, to show HD activity? In subtree "Disk Throuput" there are subtrees 1:[0-1] [1-5] , 22:0 and 3:[1,2,5-9] .
[01:31] <bipster> probably not the first to ask the question - but can anyone help install edgy eft - hangs at screen 1 (language)
[01:32] <milaks> Anyone?
[01:32] <intelikey> if it was a kernel  i'd say   make menu_config       make configure   or  make xconfig        but being a tarball i've never seen  you might try   make help
[01:33] <milaks> Hi, can someone please tell me, what should I drag from ksysguards left part (localhost tree) to sysguard applet, to show HD activity? In subtree "Disk Throuput" there are subtrees 1:[0-1] [1-5] , 22:0 and 3:[1,2,5-9] .
[01:33] <intelikey> !repete | milaks
[01:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about repete - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:33] <brett> i have already untarred it... should i have done that
[01:34] <morphish> intelikey: !repeat ?
[01:35] <intelikey> brett did you do what Dr_willis said?    "<Dr_willis> I followed the guides/docs in the "ubuntu hacks' book..."   maybe google for an online   or see  <Jucato> brett: "sudo ./vmware-install.pl"
[01:37] <brett> intelikey: when i try sudo ./vmware-install.pl it says 'A previous installation of VMware software has been detected.'
[01:37] <brett> intelikey: and then error abort
[01:38] <intelikey> brett uninstall vmware-player
[01:38] <intelikey> and try again
[01:38] <brett> intelikey: ok
[01:40] <idigtal> can soem one help me
[01:40] <idigtal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[01:40] <brett> intelikey: nope...still same erer
[01:40] <brett> intelikey: err error
[01:40] <idigtal> im on the sudo nano /etc/modules
[01:40] <TheMole> Does anyone else have problems hearing audio on webpages (usually flash vids etc.) through firefox on edgy?
[01:41] <intelikey> brett hmmm you have anything vmware installed ?
[01:41] <brett> intelikey: nope
[01:41] <brett> intelikey: i removed everything vmware related
[01:41] <intelikey> brett you can also look into the .pl script for help   if you know anything about perl scripts....
[01:42] <brett> intelikey: do i need to buy this ubuntu hacks book or is there somewhere i can read it online?
[01:42] <intelikey> !flash9 | TheMole
[01:42] <ubotu> TheMole: You can download Flash Player 9 Beta here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/backports/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for Edgy) - Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[01:42] <intelikey> brett i really don't know.  that's why i sujested google
[01:43] <HalphaZ> 2221hi
[01:43] <Dr_willis> removeing stuff MAY not remove the config files.
[01:43] <HalphaZ> what time is there?
[01:44] <Dr_willis> but i dont know what the whole problem is :) ive had very few issues with vmware-server
[01:44] <brett> Dr_willis: r u saying i need to remove the config files?
[01:44] <intelikey> ah Dr_willis true that.  i always use -P  but i bet adept doesnt
[01:44] <Dr_willis> brett,  no idea what you are doing to be honest with ya. :)
[01:44] <brett> intelikey: ok how do i get rid of the config files?
[01:44] <Dr_willis> thers no vmware-server debs that i know of.. No idea on the player. i never use vmware player
[01:45] <intelikey> brett try sudo apt-get remove --purge vmware-player
[01:46] <intelikey> Dr_willis there is a player   and i didn't know there wasn't a server .deb
[01:46] <intelikey> do now....
[01:46] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  theres NOT as far as i know.
[01:46] <Dr_willis> unless it just came out recentlyl
[01:46] <Peps_> Hi, my laptop stopped automounting and poping a konqurer window when I plug in a usb storage device. I think this happened after I upgraged to KDE 3.5.5. I assume I am missing some setting - can someone help?
[01:47] <Peps_> I am running dapper
[01:47] <brett> intelikey: still doesnt work...same error
[01:47] <intelikey> brett apt didn't error out did it ?
[01:47] <TheMole> intelikey: That has installed the flashplayer 9, but still no sound is heard.. I've also tried the /etc/firefox/firefoxrc hack... but that didn't work either.
[01:48] <brett> intelikey: nope...it ran fine
[01:48] <intelikey> brett grep "paste your error message" *.pl  see what it burps out for me.
[01:49] <soulrider> hi everyone
[01:49] <brett> intelikey: huh?
[01:49] <Peps_> Hi, my laptop stopped automounting and poping a konqurer window when I plug in a usb storage device. I think this happened after I upgraged to KDE 3.5.5. I assume I am missing some setting - can someone help?
[01:50] <intelikey> TheMole if noone answers you on the flash sound ff issue try in #ubuntu  ff is default in ubuntu
[01:50] <TheMole> intelikey: Thanks.
[01:51] <intelikey> brett show me the error again
[01:52] <brett> A previous installation of VMware software has been detected.
[01:53] <intelikey> brett in the same window; grep -B2 -e "software has been detected" *.pl
[01:53] <sirmis> jeah .. wlan is working :D
[01:53] <brett> print wrap('A previous installation of VMware software has been detected.' . "\n\n", 0);
[01:53] <intelikey> should 'hopefully' give three lines of code.
[01:53] <Dr_willis> ive neer had a problem rerunning the vmware-server setup scripts.
[01:54] <intelikey> brett nothing before that ?
[01:54] <intelikey> Dr_willis yeah i fishing now for what is triggering that.
[01:55] <brett> brett@brett-desktop:~/vmware-server-distrib$ grep -B2 -e "software has been detected" *.pl
[01:55] <brett>   }
[01:55] <intelikey> ok we want a little more context.
[01:55] <intelikey> brett your nick registered ?
[01:56] <brett> intelikey: nope
[01:56] <Dr_willis> Ive totally missed what the actual problem is... :)
[01:56] <Dr_willis> the setup script is crashing?
[01:57] <intelikey> Dr_willis <brett> A previous installation of VMware software has been detected. <-- and exits
[01:58] <intelikey> brett pastebin the script ?     seeing that you can dcc it to me with registering your nick.
[01:58] <intelikey> s/can/can't/
[01:58] <brett> ok
[01:59] <brett> !pastebin
[01:59] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:59] <brett> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33576/
[02:00] <Dr_willis> ive never had it exit that way....  it  should ask to use the old settings/stuff  of course ive never installed the vmware-player packages
[02:01] <Jucato> brett: have you removed vmware-player already?
[02:01] <sirmis> is there flash plugin available to 64 bit kubuntu
[02:02] <brett> Jucato: yup
[02:02] <Schalken> if i were to symlink /root to ~/ and start an application as root, will some files in ~/ become owned by root?
[02:02] <Dr_willis> ~/  - is.... hmm... odd...
[02:03] <Jucato> hm... just a hunch, try "sudo apt-get remove --purge vmware-player" or "sudo aptitude purge vmware-player", then try to install vmware server again
[02:03] <Dr_willis> cd ~/
[02:03] <Dr_willis>   -> /home
[02:03] <Jucato> ~/ == /home/user/
[02:03] <Jucato> best not to symlink anything from /root to ~/
[02:04] <Dr_willis> I cant imagine why you would want to.
[02:06] <intelikey> well the error is blasted out of one function    # Make sure we have an initial database suitable for this installer. The goal
[02:06] <intelikey> # is to encapsulates all the compatibilty issues in this (consequently ugly)
[02:06] <intelikey> # function
[02:06] <brett> i got to go
[02:06] <brett> thanks for help
[02:06] <brett> i will get it later
[02:06] <intelikey> brett just when i got interested.
[02:06] <intelikey> but go ahead.  i'll keep looking.
[02:06] <Jucato> :P
[02:07] <Dr_willis> Heh - I found my old AMiga CD32! woots. :)
[02:07] <Dr_willis> anyone want it?
[02:08] <Dr_willis> I cant find the power supply for it. :(
[02:08] <intelikey> brett looks like   /etc/vmware-server-console
[02:09] <intelikey> see if that's a dir or a file or non-existant
[02:10] <intelikey> brett ls -l /etc/vmware-server-console
[02:10] <Dr_willis> I dont have that file. :)
[02:10] <Dr_willis> just for referance
[02:10] <luca> hi veryone
[02:11] <luca> does someone know how to make a Pixart Imaging camera functioning?
[02:11] <intelikey> Dr_willis yes   the next step is cut from - on and add *
[02:12] <intelikey> brett looks like   /etc/vmware*       because it's set to a default and several veriants  any of which can hit a match for installed vmware
[02:13] <intelikey> i would be so bold as to sujest rm /etc/vmware* -r     and run the installer again.
[02:13] <Jucato> that is bold
[02:14] <intelikey> but that's what is causing the error.   the script don't lie.
[02:15] <intelikey> it has a config dir in etc that contains a file in the wrong format and it refuses to continue.
[02:15] <intelikey> simple enough.
[02:16] <intelikey> i still don't like perl it looks like trying to read greek to me.
[02:16] <intelikey> and yes i read a "very" little greek.
[02:17] <Schalken> will root own some of my files if i symlink /root to ~/ ?
[02:17] <intelikey> Schalken no.
[02:17] <metres> Hi all , i'm trying to install flash on Edgy amd64, and I got this error... sudo: nspluginwrapper: command not found anyone have an idea ?
[02:17] <intelikey> Schalken you will have a shortcut to / in your home.
[02:18] <luca> has anyone had any trouble making webcams work on their machines?
[02:18] <intelikey> Schalken wait
[02:18] <intelikey> symlink /root to ~/ ?
[02:18] <luca> metres; are you trying to install the firefox plugin? if so, the best you can do is putting th .so file in the plugin folder manually
[02:18] <Schalken> intelikey: yes, so root uses all my configuration
[02:18] <intelikey> you mean ln -s /root ~/    that will error out.
[02:18] <luca> metres: the 9 beta I mean
[02:19] <Schalken> intelikey: why?
[02:19] <metres> luca : I do it but it's 32 bit files... doesnt work with amd64
[02:19] <intelikey> if you mean  ln -s ~/ /root   then unless you rm /root first that will error out.
[02:19] <intelikey> but you dont want to do that.  cause yes root will own things in your home.
[02:19] <metres> luca :that's why I need nspluginwrapper...
[02:20] <Schalken> intelikey: wahst the difference between a hard and symbolic link?
[02:20] <luca> metres: no clue for me then, sorry man
[02:20] <intelikey> Schalken hard link is a second access point to an inode   a symbolic link is a redirect to another inode.
[02:21] <metres> luca : thanks anyway
[02:21] <Jucato> intelikey: try that again in plain English. :P
[02:21] <intelikey> Schalken if you hardlink an inode as long as one of the links exist the file exists     if you symlink an inode if you rm the real inode the link points to nothing....
[02:22] <intelikey> Jucato any better ?
[02:22] <Peps_> Hi, my laptop stopped automounting and poping a konqurer window when I plug in a usb storage device. I think this happened after I upgraged to KDE 3.5.5. I assume I am missing some setting - can someone help? I am running dapper
[02:22] <Jucato> intelikey: no. you still used "inode" :P
[02:23] <luca> anybody using webcams here? :)
[02:24] <intelikey> echo " this is a test " > file ; ln file file2 ;rm file ;cat file2      then try that with a symlink.   you can symlink anything.  but somethings can't be hardlinked.
[02:24] <intelikey> Jucato but i meant inodes  i didn't say file cause it could be directories
[02:25] <Jucato> intelikey: you could have said files/directories instead :P
[02:25] <intelikey> but both are inodes
[02:25] <Jucato> in plain English. but I presume everyone understands what inodes are
[02:25] <intelikey> if not there is google and wikipedia
[02:25] <Jucato> :)
[02:25] <Jucato> isn't that what you're here for?
[02:26] <intelikey> not to mention dictionary.com and friends
[02:26] <Jucato> so that we don't have to Google or Wikipedia
[02:26] <Jucato> :P
[02:26] <intelikey> yep it sure was.
[02:26] <Jucato> heheh gone
[02:27] <BluesKaj> inodes...?
[02:32] <sirmis> this may be stupid question .. but where i can find "gadgets" to desktop ?
[02:33] <Jucato> !superkaramba | sirmis
[02:33] <ubotu> sirmis: superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[02:34] <majorowl> i have a newly-installed edgy machine that has a 3com wifi card in it (orinoco-based).  it's odd, lspci and dmesg report it.  lsmod shows the orinoco driver loaded.  but I don't have an eth0.  i have a wlan0, but iwconfig against it claims no wireless extensions available.
[02:34] <musya3d> anyone here use kopete?
[02:34] <sirmis> ubotu: thanks
[02:34] <ubotu> You're Welcome!
[02:34] <Jucato> lol
[02:35] <Jucato> !botsnack
[02:35] <ubotu> Yum!
[02:35] <majorowl> what's weird is that the installer saw the wifi card and appeared to configure it just fine.  (though I couldn't tell if it used it as I was installing from CD).
[02:37] <musya3d> anyone?
[02:37] <campbch> !java
[02:37] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[02:37] <campbch> i use gaim.
[02:38] <Jucato> I use kopete. but I'm no expert on it
[02:38] <musya3d> ok well how do you sign on again after you signed of because of reboot, i cannot figure out how to sign on, i know it sounds silly
[02:38] <musya3d> but please help!
[02:39] <BluesKaj> konversation for irc , amsn for that IM stuff..which i seldom use
[02:39] <Jucato> musya3d: there will be icons at the status bar at the bottom of kopete
[02:39] <Jucato> musya3d: icons for each account you set up. you can individually control them, or sign on altogether using the toolbar at the top
[02:44] <campbch> hmm
[02:44] <Jucato> !botsnack
[02:44] <ubotu> Yum!
[02:44] <campbch> IMHO ubotu should mention that the JRE install should have to be done through commandline apt-get, since choices need to be made
[02:44] <campbch> !botsmack
[02:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botsmack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <Jucato> what do you mean?
[02:45] <campbch> !bothug
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bothug - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <campbch> the java JRE poses agreemets you need to agree to, that you cant through the adept-manager... you're forced to exit and kill the process, then dpkg some configure thing to fix it
[02:45] <campbch> and then do it command-line style
[02:46] <Jucato> campbch: the Java page explicitly instructs the user to use the command line, if you've noticed
[02:46] <Jucato> but only on Kubuntu
[02:46] <campbch> yeah, well :p
[02:46] <Jucato> the license agreement stuff works perfectly in Synaptic
[02:46] <campbch> which is better, synaptic or adept?
[02:47] <Jucato> apt-get :)
[02:47] <campbch> that was subversive
[02:47] <Jucato> but no, really... I prefer apt-get and aptitude nowadays
[02:47] <campbch> i see...
[02:47] <Jucato> but personally: apt-get/aptitude > Synaptic > Adept
[02:48] <campbch> so, why is adept installed with kubuntu? synaptic works, doesn't it?
[02:48] <Jucato> Adept is a bit faster and better when it comes to searches and debtags (which I never use anyway)
[02:48] <campbch> i like synaptic's layout.
[02:48] <Jucato> because Adept is KDE and fits in KDE nicely. also, it's still under development, so nothing's permanent
[02:50] <campbch> i see...
[02:50] <Jucato> hi aseigo! still in india?
[02:50] <wildchild> why all the sudden kaffeine doesn't work. I click on avi file and kaffeine doesn't open that file :s
[02:50] <aseigo> popups, hidden console, etc
[02:50] <aseigo> Jucato: yep... conference starts today
[02:50] <Jucato> I like some features in synaptic, though. specially those popups :P
[02:51] <Jucato> good luck aseigo!
[02:51] <aseigo> ugh. popups are evil
[02:51] <aseigo> Jucato: thx
[02:51] <Jucato> aseigo: if they can be turned off, they're not that evil anymore
[02:51] <wildchild> ok  I will ask anoter q. How can I check my edgy for bugs..
[02:52] <wildchild> o_O
[02:52] <wildchild> anyone
[02:52] <craftycorner> I need some help
[02:53] <craftycorner> what is a good program 4 the creation of DVD ISOs?
[02:53] <Jucato> aseigo: but you're an expert (hehehe).  so many less experienced people have accidentally messed their because Adept didn't say it would be removing this or that package, except through a tiny status bar or through the Preview Changes
[02:54] <craftycorner> K3b needs a DVD ISO image
[02:54] <aseigo> Jucato: and a popup helps there how? perhaps adept should have a nice preview changes and that should be mandatory and rolled into the "apply changes" workflow
[02:55] <pierreth> I need help with Kubuntu keyboard shortcut with kde
[02:55] <craftycorner> I don't know even what to search 4 in Symantic
[02:55] <pierreth> i made a shortcut to type my name with the system settings
[02:55] <Jucato> aseigo: the popup in synaptic confirms the actions that will be taken, so you have a chance to review what will be installed and removed. In Adept, you have to manually click on Preview Changes. but yes, maybe a better workflow would be a better solution than having a popup
[02:56] <pierreth> but I don't know how I can type a '{'
[02:57] <craftycorner> I need an ISO creation program
[02:57] <pierreth> anyone knows how?
[02:57] <craftycorner> there isn't a program?
[02:58] <majorowl> craftycorner, mkisofs ?
[02:59] <craftycorner> checking
[03:00] <craftycorner> is that a program?
[03:01] <majorowl> well, sure
[03:01] <majorowl> man mkisofs
[03:03] <wildchild> hello there
[03:03] <fred_> hi
[03:03] <wildchild> has anyone have problem with starting kaffeine player
[03:03] <wildchild> it doesn't wanna start
[03:06] <daphne> anyone here installed the "kscreensaver-xsavers" package?  I just installed it, and it seems to have installed properly...but the xscreensaver modules aren't showing up in the KDE desktop configuration panel
[03:10] <sirmis> is there any test prog's to linux ...  like 3dmark in windows ?
[03:11] <sirmis> daphne .. i'm 99 % sure that i'm wrong :) but you could try to restart X
[03:12] <sirmis> ctrl-alt-backspace
[03:13] <daphne> sirmis: actually, after logging in and out didn't work, I restarted the whole machine just to be sure
[03:14] <daphne> this is a new Edgy install...I think in my Dapper install they showed up immediately
[03:15] <campbch> is there a reason applications will decide to just not run the first time you try to start them? sometimes, ill try to load, say, firefox, or adept-manager, and it'll just forget that i clicked :p
[03:15] <campbch> it shows a loading icon and everything, it just doesn't feel like running
[03:18] <Jucato> anyone knows how to convert Documentation docbooks to HTML or PDF?
[03:18] <majorowl> campbch, i've seen adept do that.  just a little while ago, actually.  i've never seen firefox do it.
[03:18] <fiyawerx> whats an exhumer?
[03:19] <daphne> someone who gets buried bodies out of the ground?
[03:19] <fiyawerx> heh
[03:19] <fiyawerx> i meant in nethack terms :)
[03:19] <fiyawerx> time for the &sters to rock a treasure zoo
[03:20] <fiyawerx> how long does invis last? permanent?
[03:23] <pierreth> hello, anyone for a shorcut?
[03:27] <daphne> solution: install "xscreensaver"
[03:43] <cegottardi> hello
[03:43] <cegottardi> any 1 knows hot to install bittornado on kubuntu?
[03:47] <zanophol> Does anyone know how to tell which version of the forced.eth driver edgy uses by default?
[03:47] <campbch> how to i get firefox to recognize the JRE?
[03:49] <mike_> Hi, can't boot WinXP after i installed KUbuntu. I resized the WinXP partion. I have mounted it and can read files. Grup menu.list looks fine
[03:49] <Jucato> campbch: install sun-java5-plugin
[03:51] <campbch> it worked! /hug
[03:51] <Jucato> :p
[03:51] <Dr_willis> mike_,  any sort of error or other clues to go by?
[03:52] <mike_> Dr_willis: No thing. When i press to boot XP in grupp at startup just the marker with black background and nothing happens
[03:53] <Dr_willis> marker?
[03:53] <Dr_willis> You mean the xp little bar at the bottom of the screen?
[03:54] <mike_> Dr_willis: Yeah you know. Its the same when i start Ubuntu/Kubuntu its a "_" at the top of the screen but when i start Kubuntu after like 1/2 sec Kubuntu starts loading
[03:54] <Dr_willis> a _ at the top of the screen... Hmmm...
[03:55] <Dr_willis> so XP dosent even seem to try to boot eh?
[03:56] <mike_> Dr_willis: Nope :/  The bootloader is not pointing at the right path or something
[03:56] <mike_> Dr_willis: But I don't even know where to start
[03:56] <Dr_willis> where is windows installed to?
[03:57] <mike_> sda1  WinXP    sda2 Kubuntu   sda3 Swap
[03:57] <mike_> I've mounted sda1 and can access all files and it does not look damaged
[03:58] <Jucato> menu.lst might not be pointing to the correct partition
[03:58] <Dr_willis> yea.
[03:59] <mike_> root            (hd0,0)
[03:59] <Dr_willis>  /boot/grub/device.map may also be incorrect...
[03:59] <Dr_willis> check that hd0 is sda in that file.
[04:00] <Dr_willis> You do have an ide drive for the cdrom? or any ide drives at all?
[04:00] <mike_> Kubuntu boots:       root            (hd0,1)
[04:00] <mike_> Winxp:   root            (hd0,0)
[04:01] <mike_> Yes, 1 CDrom 1 DVD
[04:01] <mike_> device.map     (hd0)   /dev/sda
[04:02] <Dr_willis> so that all seems right.
[04:03] <cegottardi> i got these error wxPython is either not installed or has not been installed properly.
[04:03] <cegottardi> how do i get it.. i have dapper 6.06
[04:04] <cegottardi> its not in adept
[04:04] <cegottardi> any 1 knows?
[04:04] <Schalken0> is installing the latest nvidia drivers as simple as downloading nvidia's .run file and running it as root? does it matter that i already have the drivers from ubuntu installed?
[04:05] <Dr_willis> Schalken0,  using the .run stuff can be a hassle.
[04:05] <Dr_willis> I do belive theres a wiki page that details it.
[04:07] <Jucato> mike_: use pastebin to show your menu.lst
[04:07] <Jucato> !pastebin | mike_
[04:07] <ubotu> mike_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> !nvidia > Schalken0
[04:08] <Schalken0> Dr_willis: is there an easier way to 9629 drivers?
[04:08] <Schalken0> Hobbsee: yes i would like to get the latest drivers however, the ones from the repos are 8xxx ones.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:09] <mike_> Jucato: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33595/
[04:09] <Dr_willis> Schalken0,  ive never worried about it.. so never tried..
[04:09] <BluesKaj> what's the command for updating and choosing a java update in the konsole ?
[04:09] <Dr_willis> I though there was an update to the nvidia drivers a few weeks ago.
[04:10] <Schalken0> well if the .run file doesnt work i can always reinstall the ones from the repo right?
[04:10] <BluesKaj> !java
[04:10] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[04:10] <bulwynkl> !LVM
[04:10] <eilker> !postfix
[04:10] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[04:10] <ubotu> postfix is the default Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) for Ubuntu. Read more about setting it up here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix or here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto
[04:11] <Jucato> mike_: hm.. everything looks fine.. :(
[04:11] <mike_> Jucato: Yes :/
[04:11] <Hobbsee> mike_: what's the problem?
[04:12] <mike_> Hobbsee:  Hi, can't boot WinXP after i installed KUbuntu. I resized the WinXP partion. I have mounted it and can read files. WinXP is in Grub menu.lst and it looks right. Any ideas?
[04:12] <mike_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33595/   My menu.lst
[04:13] <Hobbsee> mike_: want to pastebin sudo fdisk -l please?
[04:13] <Schalken0> mike_: does it actually appear in the grub menu?
[04:13] <Schalken0> (during boot)
[04:14] <eilker> !imap
[04:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about imap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:14] <mike_> Hobbsee: I get no output from that command  "fdisk -l"
[04:14] <Hobbsee> mike_: preface it with sudo
[04:15] <mike_> Hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33597/
[04:16] <Hobbsee> mike_: you resized the first disk, presumably
[04:17] <mike_> Hobbsee: Yes from 320 Win Partion to 300
[04:17] <Hobbsee> mike_: presumably you cant boot windows in recovery mode?  (hit f8)
[04:19] <mike_> Hobbsee: Poweroff > Startbutten > VGA output > BIOS > Grub > i chose WinXP > a black screen with a marter blinking at the top
[04:19] <Hobbsee> darn it
[04:20] <mike_> Hobbsee: Aaa damn :/  i have mounted it in /mnt/windows and can acces it and read files
[04:20] <Hobbsee> mike_: yes, so the filesystem seems in tact, at least in part
[04:21] <Hobbsee> i cant see any problem with grub there
[04:22] <mike_> Hobbsee: I guess resize did not work :/
[04:23] <mike_> Hobbsee: You think i could repair the windows install witha a WinXP CD?
[04:24] <BluesKaj> ! Java Update
[04:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Java Update - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:24] <Hobbsee> mike_: i'd try
[04:24] <Hobbsee> mike_: i'd guess so too
[04:25] <mike_> Hobbsee: What will happen to Kubuntu and grub? If i chose to repair it with WinXP CD? Do you know?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> mike_: then you follow !grub
[04:25] <Hobbsee> kubuntu will stay, as long as you hit "dont format the entire drive"
[04:25] <Hobbsee> grub will be overwritten, but there's a fairly simple howto on how to fix that
[04:25] <bimberi> mike_: if you can mount the windows partition at the moment it'd be worth grabbing anything important off it first
[04:26] <mike_> bimberi: Yepp, I've done that, thanks.
[04:26] <mike_> !grub
[04:26] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:27] <bimberi> mike_: kk, np :)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> mike_: then again, if you're going to do that, then why not get the windows to be installed on 1 or 2 hard disks, and kubuntu on the other
[04:29] <mike_> Hobbsee: I have 3 HD, 2 are full with stuff 1 I wanna dual boot. Never had problems before :/
[04:30] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[04:31] <mike_> Hobbsee: I gotta use WinXP this computer. On laptop and server i only use linux
[04:31] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:31] <fuzzy> How do I install flash player?
[04:31] <Dr_willis> !flash
[04:31] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:31] <mike_> Hobbsee: Thanks for taking tthe time :)
[04:31] <unix_infidel> mike_: Depending on your computing needs in WinXp and your hardware you can install vmware on the linux host and run windows as a guest.
[04:31] <unix_infidel> I know a lot of smart people who have nicely speced laptops that run Windows XP under Ubuntu
[04:32] <e1mer> hello all, im using a kubuntu on dell latitude d520, but im having trouble using my headset/audio jack..i cant hear something,
[04:32] <Dr_willis> wonder how the windows xp activation stuff - handles vmware...
[04:32] <mike_> unix_infidel: Yes, i use vmware all the time, love it. But i still need WinXP at one computer :/
[04:32] <Hobbsee> mike_: not a problem
[04:32] <e1mer> !sounds
[04:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sounds - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:32] <Hobbsee> e1mer: you cant hear anything from your headphones?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> e1mer: run kmix, and turn pcm up full
[04:33] <unix_infidel> mike_: maybe i'm not adequately understanding your computing needs :)
[04:33] <e1mer> Hobbsee:ill try, w8
[04:33] <mike_> unix_infidel: Np, you gave me a tip and thanks =)
[04:33] <e1mer> Hobbsee: it is..they're both full
[04:33] <e1mer> + the master
[04:34] <e1mer> Hobbsee: btw, it has a built in speaker..and its working well..i can hear the sounds
[04:34] <Hobbsee> e1
[04:34] <fuzzy> how to install a tar.gz file?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> e1mer: but not the headphones?  hmmm
[04:34] <Hobbsee> !compile > fuzzy
[04:34] <e1mer> Hobbsee: the problem is when i put on my headset to the audio jack..i can still hear from the built in.but not on my headset
[04:35] <Hobbsee> e1mer:  right.  can i ask 2 really stupid questions?
[04:35] <e1mer> Hobbsee: ?
[04:35] <Dr_willis> Well you just asked one.... :)
[04:35] <Hobbsee> e1mer: 1)  is the headset plugged fully in?  2) have you plugged it into the mic socket by accident?
[04:35] <Dr_willis> heh heh..
[04:35] <mike_> Thanks all, wich me good luck with repairing WinXP now ;p
[04:35] <sirmis> Dr_willis: heh
[04:35] <Hobbsee> good luck mike_!
[04:36] <e1mer> Hobbsee: yup..i even ask my colleague to plug it in for me :))
[04:36] <Dr_willis> some sound cards have ports that are 'flexiable' a headset out. may be (in software) switchable to say Mic in...
[04:36] <Hobbsee> e1mer: try plugging it into the other socket, and just double check?
[04:37] <e1mer> Hobbsee: tried them both :(
[04:37] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:37] <Hobbsee> then i'm out of ideas
[04:37] <sirmis> kde4 - here i come :P
[04:38] <sirmis> hahaha .. it's 5.37 am in finland ..
[04:38] <sirmis> x)
[04:38] <coreymon> kde 4?!
[04:38] <coreymon> when?!
[04:39] <sirmis> i'm building latest "snapshot" ..
[04:39] <coreymon> wher?!
[04:39] <coreymon> how?!
[04:39] <coreymon> does it work?
[04:39] <sirmis> let's see :)
[04:39] <Jucato> for developers
[04:40] <sirmis> it compiled allmoust painlesly
[04:40] <sirmis> done ..
[04:41] <sirmis> brb
[04:42] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:42] <xsacha> how can i make the screen switch to tty1 through ssh
[04:42] <Dr_willis> xsacha,  Hmm.. thats somthing i can say - ive never seen done.
[04:42] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:43] <xsacha> :(
[04:43] <Dr_willis> theres ways to run stuff on other ttys but never seen software to change to them
[04:43] <Dr_willis> To the Google!
[04:44] <Dr_willis> Hmmm.. heres a tty/console program for DOS that acts like linux's console.. its classified as 'freeware, but has a $19.95 pricetag....
[04:45] <Dr_willis> I am once again reminded of WHY I LOVE LINUX.
[04:45] <Dr_willis> to the next google hit!
[04:45] <xsacha> $20, what the hell
[04:46] <Dr_willis> Yea.. gotta love Stupid-trivial-ware
[04:46] <Dr_willis> looking at the      http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO.html#toc7   guide now. :)
[04:47] <Dr_willis> BINGO!
[04:47] <Dr_willis> One can change VT under program control using the chvt command.
[04:47] <xsacha> ahhhh thanks
[04:47] <xsacha> lol
[04:49] <Dr_willis> Memo to self.. dont hit Ctrl-C in the console you run "startx' in
[04:49] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:50] <xsacha> lol
[04:50] <Jucato> lol
[04:50] <Dr_willis> but i did learn about chvt
[04:50] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:51] <Dr_willis> i needed to test my '.kde/Autostart' thing.. the script i made dident work.. it got launched in Kate.
[04:51] <Dr_willis> should i make a symlink to the binary i want to run instead?
[04:51] <Dr_willis> CheckGmail -> /usr/bin/checkgmail
[04:54] <rerere> can someone explain me the ! command in the chat how dose it work?
[04:54] <xsacha> Dr_willis: is it executable?
[04:54] <xsacha> when i had an autostart script not executable, it ran in kate
[04:54] <Dr_willis> I chmod +x'd it
[04:55] <Dr_willis> and even ./whatever it befor i had my 'kde restart'  just now.
[04:55] <Dr_willis> heh
[04:55] <Dr_willis> it dosent begin with #!/bin/sh however..  just a 1 line script
[04:55] <Dr_willis> just wanting to run CheckGmail. which is a Gnome app it seems.
[04:56] <xsacha> oh a symlink should do
[04:56] <Hobbsee> !info kcheckgmail edgy
[04:56] <ubotu> kcheckgmail: KDE systray application to check GMail accounts. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.5-1.1 (edgy), package size 96 kB, installed size 580 kB
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Dr_willis: ^
[04:56] <usuario> Hi everyone
[04:57] <Dr_willis> Cool. :)
[04:57] <Dr_willis> i can check it twice!
[04:57] <usuario> Im using kubuntu in my school but I dont know how to use it   :s
[04:57] <Dr_willis> aparently ya know a little bit.. you got here.
[04:57] <Davek> jajaja thats right
[04:58] <Davek> well I use windows xp and sometimes I use mirc
[04:58] <Davek> thats why I kinda knew how to get here
[04:58] <Davek> :P
[04:58] <unix_infidel> anyone here using a canon sd550 and found it compatible with linux?
[04:59] <Davek> HOLA A TODOOOSS !
[04:59] <rerere> can someone explain me the ! command in the chat how dose it work?
[04:59] <Davek> !list
[04:59] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[04:59] <macconline> hi.... how do backup my kubuntu??
[05:00] <rerere> thanks
[05:00] <Davek> What is Kubuntu?
[05:00] <fannagogann1> macconline, what do you want to backup, your user account?
[05:00] <fannagogann1> Kubuntu is an OS
[05:00] <macconline> fannagogann1: no, all system
[05:00] <keyo> there is a white rectangle on the desktop, it won't go away after restarting, its some sort of bug
[05:01] <keyo> could posibly be beryls fault
[05:01] <Davek> Alguien de Tijuana ????
[05:01] <keyo> guess i should upgrade to edgy anywya
[05:01] <Jucato> !kubuntu
[05:01] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[05:02] <coreymon> !kde
[05:02] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[05:02] <keyo> !windows
[05:02] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[05:02] <Parkotron> !env
[05:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about env - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:02] <Parkotron> !pam
[05:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pam - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:02] <Parkotron> !pam_env
[05:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pam_env - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:03] <Dr_willis> canon sort of has a bad  rep with linux not being supported. :( sadly
[05:03] <keyo> wyf is pam
[05:03] <Jucato> !botabuse
[05:03] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots - Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops... ;-)
[05:03] <keyo> yea i have a cannon printer, prints text but not photos
[05:03] <Parkotron> Jucato: Sorry.
[05:03] <fannagogann1> keyo, have you set it up using cups and the included printer drivers?
[05:04] <keyo> yes
[05:04] <Dr_willis> I got a nice canon printer.. but its on the wifes machine. for her Digital Camera ussage. actually she just plugs the camera into the printer.. no pc needed.
[05:04] <fuzzy> !divx
[05:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:04] <keyo> well it does print photos but just really badly
[05:04] <keyo> !homosexuals
[05:04] <driz> I guys I am tryi0ng to update my computer to the latest Kubuntu but I have this error that says the following packages have been kept back..,,,
[05:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about homosexuals - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:06] <robotgeek> keyo: can you please keep it ontopic
[05:06] <keyo> ok :D
[05:06] <robotgeek> driz: from dapper to edgy?
[05:07] <driz> robotgeek yeah
[05:07] <robotgeek> driz: did you install the kubuntu-desktop paackage before upgrading?
[05:08] <driz> ummmm no
[05:08] <driz> how??? :-)
[05:08] <robotgeek> driz: hmm, that might be an issue
[05:08] <driz> ohh
[05:09] <robotgeek> driz: however, you might want to try sudo apt-get -f install kubuntu-desktop
[05:09] <keyo> Is there a way kubuntu could stabaly write to ntfs
[05:09] <driz> ok then
[05:09] <robotgeek> keyo: stably is relative
[05:10] <driz> robotgeek: I apparently do have the latest
[05:10] <driz> kubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.  says tyhe terminal
[05:10] <keyo> well a few strange things have been bugging me so i am going to put edgy on, just need to backup all the old stuff
[05:10] <keyo> spose i'l just burn cds
[05:11] <robotgeek> keyo: backup before upgrading is always a wise policy :)
[05:11] <keyo> it can write to fat32 can't it
[05:11] <robotgeek> keyo: i tried it the other day, windows was not letting me delete a folder. however, i was able to delete it under linux :)
[05:15] <unix_infidel> robotgeek: what kind of folder was this?
[05:16] <robotgeek> unix_infidel: the past users folder. no use to me
[05:16] <unix_infidel> robotgeek: that's likely because it has an active socket in windows.
[05:17] <unix_infidel> you can delete it from cmd not explorer, where as in linux, things are treated a bit nicely....
[05:17] <robotgeek> unix_infidel: no, the user did not have an account on that machine. i had no read access, even (as admin)
[05:17] <unix_infidel> then how did he have a user folder on tehre?
[05:18] <robotgeek> unix_infidel: at work, so i just used the installation of the guy who worked there before me
[05:18] <robotgeek> his folder was about 1.25 GB large, so i just backed it up and deleted that thing
[05:21] <robotgeek> so as far as i am concerned, ntfs-3g works very well :)
[05:22] <unix_infidel> robotgeek: heh, be sure to come back and whine about how you lost sensitive data using ntfs-3g too.  Not that it's GOING to happen.  Just to be fair and balanced :P
[05:23] <robotgeek> unix_infidel: all that data is the the ext3 partition anyways, and ext3fsd works well :)
[05:24] <dennis_> so anyone familiar with using a usb pendrive to boot linux from. I'd like to have a traveling system on my usb key
[05:24] <robotgeek> dennis_: difficult, but possible. cause different hardware == different kernel modules
[05:24] <DaSkreech> !amarok
[05:24] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.4 for Edgy and packages are available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org
[05:24] <robotgeek> dennis_: you would be better off with livecd persistence, i think
[05:25] <dennis_> I'm not saying a kubuntu usb system, I'm open to other ideas like DSL or puppylinux
[05:25] <unix_infidel> robotgeek: you tried explore2fs?
[05:25] <robotgeek> unix_infidel: i think some time ago, not recently
[05:26] <unix_infidel> any problems with it?
[05:26] <dennis_> just can't seem to figure this out for myself as easily as I thought it would be
[05:26] <robotgeek> unix_infidel: the time when i used it, it did not seem to be integrated with explorer. i am not sure if things have changed now
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> dennis_: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7418276314.html
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> dennis_: basically it should be the same as that, although their requirement of 10GB seems outragous.
[05:28] <robotgeek> klipper is so awesome :)
[05:28] <DaSkreech> Alt+Ctrl+V 4 life!
[05:28] <dennis_> well I take a read , see if I can learn something. damn samll is a live cd of ony 90MB , hopefully I figure it out
[05:28] <Schalken> is upgrading from one ubuntu version to another as simple as adding the new repos to your apt sources and letting your package manager upgrade?
[05:29] <robotgeek> Schalken: once you have installed the kubuntu-desktop package, yes
[05:29] <DaSkreech> !upgrade > Schalken
[05:30] <dennis_> so I'm thinking of a dist-upgrade from dapper to edgy, I'm still using ndiswrapper for my wlan card, are there any strange issues I should be aware of before I attempt the upgrade
[05:30] <robotgeek> i love the klipper actions, doublelick on link :)
[05:30] <unix_infidel> dennis_: many people have not reported a "flawless upgrade" from dapper to edgy.
[05:30] <unix_infidel> using dist-upgrade that is.
[05:30] <dennis_> yeah that's what I've been reading
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> dennis_: yeah, if you use dist-upgrade be prepared for at least a repetition of dist-upgrade, install -f , dist-upgrade, install -f , etc...
[05:32] <dennis_> is the preffered method to change the sources.list all dapper to edgy ?
[05:32] <LeeJunFan> until it says there's nothing left. There may be a few packages held back which you will have to install manually.
[05:32] <LeeJunFan> !upgrade
[05:32] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[05:32] <unix_infidel> dennis_: that's what you will be doing to upgrade from dapper to edgy...in order to dist-upgrade.
[05:33] <unix_infidel> erf?
[05:33] <dennis_> well, maybe I'll just do a fresh install.
[05:34] <dennis_> I really hate to have to use edgy just to get firefox2, when dapper is working perfectly for me
[05:34] <LeeJunFan> I'm running feisty right now, only issue I have is a dep problem with kmymoney.
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> But then the BIG changes haven't started rolling in yet. :)
[05:36] <robotgeek> i suppose firefox 2 wont be backported
[05:36] <dennis_> yeah the forums have a thread about why firefox will not be backported
[05:37] <robotgeek> it makes sense, i am in no hurry.
[05:37] <unix_infidel> Hmm, did i miss something about firefox?
[05:39] <LeeJunFan> I've got 2 partitions, one for devel current, and one for stable/productivity. So if something is really borked I can boot edgy, but to keep up and help with bug squashing I try to run the latest devel.
[05:40] <Schalken> Is there an option in Adept to treat recommended packages as dependencies?
[05:41] <redmer> ?
[05:46] <robotgeek> damn it, kubuntu has stopped displaying/automounting my usb drives
[05:50] <jager> how do i get flash9 from seveas?
[05:51] <bimberi> !flash9
[05:51] <ubotu> You can download Flash Player 9 Beta here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/backports/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for Edgy) - Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[05:51] <jager> i have seveas in sources.list but apt-cache show tells me i'll still get flsah7
[05:51] <dennis_> ah, here's another one I'm not 100% sure on how to approach, I basically stopped using windows at home, I setup my main home server as a dual boot , so If I ever needed to use windows it's there, well now I want it gone can I just simply delete the partition, modify grub and free up another 40 Gb of space ???
[05:52] <jager> pretty much dennis_
[05:52] <jager> just like that
[05:52] <dennis_> sweet
[05:52] <bimberi> jager: what's the line in your sources.list?
[05:52] <dennis_> I thought that was what I need to do , but never was 100% sure of myslf
[05:53] <jager> deb http://seveas.imbrandon.com edgy-seveas custom extras seveas-meta
[05:53] <jager> deb-src http://seveas.imbrandon.com edgy-seveas custom extras seveas-meta
[05:53] <jager> went to his webpage and it says flash9 is in custom
[05:54] <jager> apt-cache show tells me that i'll get Filename: pool/multiverse/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree_7.0.68~ubuntu3_i386.deb
[05:54] <jager> from multiverse i assume
[05:54] <robotgeek> heh, i cant even upgrade to edgy, i have no disk space left.
[05:54] <jager> dist-upgrade was rough :(
[05:54] <jager> still haven't gotten everything straight, but i think flash9 is among the last of it
[05:55] <bimberi> jager: add ' backports' to those lines
[05:56] <unix_infidel> The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later.
[05:56] <unix_infidel> ^^^^^
[05:56] <unix_infidel> slickdeals.net
[05:56] <unix_infidel> LOL
[05:56] <bimberi> ha, slick? pfft
[05:57] <bimberi> jager: it's a recent change (to backports)
[05:57] <jager> oic
[05:57] <jager> aptgetting now
[05:57] <jager> that looks to have done it
[05:57] <bimberi> must be taking a while for the documentation to catch up :)
[05:57] <jager> thanks
[05:57] <jager> that'l happen :)
[05:57] <bimberi> np :)
[06:00] <LeeJunFan> hrm, looks like america's army game gave up on a linux client eh. crap.
[06:02] <robotgeek> Tonio_: do you know if automounting usb disks is broken in kde 3.5.5 ?
[06:02] <RawSewage> does anyone know how to fix that thing where people make your IRC client disconnect
[06:03] <Tonio_> robotgeek: it works but with issues
[06:03] <Tonio_> robotgeek: especially on umouting
[06:03] <Tonio_> but mounting generally works
[06:03] <robotgeek> Tonio_: it used to automount on dapper , but after i upgraded to kde 3.5.5, it stopped
[06:04] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: irc.freenode.net on port 8001 and also update your routers firmware
[06:04] <RawSewage> Hawkwind, ty
[06:04] <Tonio_> robotgeek: I never saw that issue, neither on edgy + 3.5.5, nore in feisty.... sorry
[06:04] <robotgeek> Tonio_: should i report bug/add ay info
[06:05] <Tonio_> robotgeek: hum, create a new user and try with this one, can be a problem with your profile also
[06:05] <robotgeek> true, that last kde issue i had was that too
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> yeah, oddly often on the desktop icon I can't safely remove, but if I go to media:/ it shows the option to safely remove.
[06:10] <robotgeek> Tonio_: interesting, the daemon pops up, but does nothing
[06:11] <Tonio_> hum strange........
[06:11] <robotgeek> Tonio_: thanks for the tip, i guess i will edit/delete .kde
[06:12] <e1mer> is there a tool to split files?
[06:13] <LeeJunFan> split
[06:13] <robotgeek> oddly, it also shows up in disks and file systems
[06:14] <Tonio_> robotgeek: okay I hope it'll work :)=
[06:14] <Tonio_> and cross your fingers for me, maybe I'll have kaffeine fixed in konqueror in a few minutes
[06:14] <robotgeek> Tonio_: will do. appreciate the help
[06:15] <Tonio_> robotgeek: :)
[06:20] <pyong> where can i download driver for my mp4 player
[06:20] <robotgeek> pyong: mp3 player?
[06:22] <pyong> mp4 player
[06:23] <robotgeek> pyong: not sure, though its just a flash disk, right?
[06:24] <pyong> yup, but ican play media it self
[06:24] <robotgeek> pyong: i dont follow
[06:24] <Jucato> afaik, Linux usually detects such as USB mass removable media
[06:24] <pyong> some sort of ipod clones maybe
[06:25] <robotgeek> Jucato: heh, currently kde is misbehaving right now with me. not automounting
[06:25] <Jucato> aw...
[06:25] <Jucato> USB drive? my USB Card Reader is working fine though...
[06:26] <pip> hello
[06:27] <nanomike> hi
[06:30] <intelikey> what package provides configuring the kde desktop ?
[06:30] <intelikey> right click gives me an empty window
[06:31] <intelikey> well right click > configure   gives empty window
[06:32] <intelikey> is that part of kde-core maybe ?
[06:32] <Jucato> should be in kcontrol
[06:32] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: that's fubar. What if you run sudo apt-get install -f
[06:33] <Jucato> kdebase more likely intelikey
[06:33] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: and/or install kubuntu-desktop to make sure no missing deps?
[06:33] <intelikey> LeeJunFan 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:33] <pip> nacer, Hi
[06:33] <Jucato> no need to install/reinstall kubuntu-desktop, as kdebase handles kcontrol already
[06:33] <pip> I am going to install kubuntu
[06:34] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: can you run displayconfig from commandline?
[06:34] <intelikey> i don't at all want the meta package kubuntu-desktop too much ubuntu things that are not kde that i dont want.
[06:34] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: that's provided by kde-guidance
[06:34] <Jucato> LeeJunFan: that's different
[06:34] <Jucato> right-click -> Configure Desktop doesn't use displayconfig
[06:35] <LeeJunFan> doh, that's right.
[06:35] <intelikey> bash: displayconfig: command not found
[06:35] <Jucato> it uses the plain kcontrol modules for Background, Behavior, Multiple Desktops, and Screen Saver
[06:35] <Jucato> told ya :P
[06:36] <intelikey> kcontrol may be missing
[06:36] <Jucato> intelikey: it's a long shot, you can try "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kcontrol"
[06:36] <intelikey> kcontrol is missing.  kcontroledit is the only thing that will tab complete
[06:37] <Jucato> aah that explains it
[06:37] <Jucato> yay! digikam has a PDF version of the manual...
[06:37] <intelikey> yep kcontrol is the package.... i noticed that kde-core is not installed either....
[06:38] <Jucato> intelikey: there's no need to install kde-core if you don't want to. it's just a metapackage that installs kdebase, kdelibs, and arts (metapackages, too)
[06:39] <Jucato> intelikey: until I can read docbooks on my phone (or easily get HTML versions), I have to stick to PDF's
[06:39] <intelikey> no not as bad as windows... but suffice it to say i don't like it.
[06:39] <Jucato> is there any other better portable document format? (ODF doesn't count :P)
[06:40] <Jucato> bah.. -offtopic, sorry
[06:40] <intelikey> text
[06:40] <Jucato> sheesh
[06:40] <intelikey> ASCII
[06:40] <e1mer> LeeJunFan: tnx, and how will i combine them?
[06:40] <Jucato> nevermind, don't try to answer if you can't be reasonable :P
[06:41] <RoC_MM> Jucato, ODF.
[06:41] <RoC_MM> Jucato, I've also noticed RTF is nice.
[06:41] <intelikey> i was being reasonable.  anything digital can read ASCII, the fact that it doesn't have eyecandy means nothing when what you want is information.
[06:41] <Jucato> RoC_MM: any ODF reader available on symbian phones?
[06:41] <RoC_MM> Jucato, maybe.
[06:41] <Jucato> intelikey: I'm talking about documents that may have images.
[06:42] <RoC_MM> Do your own searches.
[06:42] <intelikey> see there you go changing the specs....
[06:42] <Jucato> intelikey:  <Jucato> yay! digikam has a PDF version of the manual... <--- the one that started the whole conversation
[06:43] <Jucato> RoC_MM: I wasn't really "searching". it was more of a "challenge" to intelikey
[06:43] <intelikey> ".. PDF version of the manual..." does NOT in and of it's self include images
[06:43] <thomas> hey does windows need MS DOS to function?
[06:43] <Jucato> intelikey: <Jucato> intelikey: I'm talking about documents that *may* have images.
[06:44] <Jucato> thomas: not since Windows 95, iirc
[06:44] <thomas> can you for example delete cmd.exe and it will still work
[06:44] <intelikey> 98se
[06:44] <thomas> i see cool
[06:44] <thomas> so u can delete it u dont even need it
[06:45] <intelikey> errr no me might also have had ms-dos
[06:45] <intelikey> but xp doesn't use ms-dos
[06:45] <thomas> so when u boot up your computer the bios boots the OS-windows
[06:46] <RoC_MM> Kinda.
[06:46] <intelikey> thomas no the bios loads the windows boot loader that loads the windows kernel
[06:46] <thomas> dos isn't involved in any way, and windows can really on itself wihtout dos
[06:46] <thomas> i see
[06:47] <thomas> sort of like grub
[06:47] <robotgeek> ntldr, you can even install grub on windows
[06:47] <thomas> really col
[06:48] <thomas> so just to make it perfectly clear, DOS isn't used in win XP at all, it doesn't depend on it in any way
[06:48] <thomas> so i could delete cmd.exe it would be fine
[06:48] <nanomike> MSdos and cmd.exe is not the same
[06:49] <nanomike> cmd.exe is command prompt
[06:49] <intelikey> previous versions of windows 9x and maybe ME not sure about it.   bios booted M$-dos which loaded the windows kernel    all NT versions (xp included) use a different aproach.  but same basic end result.  namely intelikey gets p**** off...
[06:50] <intelikey> don't know what the basic end result is when you boot M$ but that's where it ends here.
[06:51] <Jucato> intelikey: where you able to solve the kcontrol problem?
[06:51] <intelikey> Jucato as simple as installing kcontrol.    but i didn't....  i can tho if you want me to :)
[06:52] <Jucato> lol no. I was just wondering :)
[06:52] <Jucato> never want you to do something you don't like :P
[06:52] <intelikey> yeah i ask what package because i wanted to know why i got a blank configure window... now i know    problem solved.
[06:53] <Jucato> oh ok :)
[06:54] <intelikey> wow !    Jucato is studying 'now'   that's really philosophical..........
[06:54] <Jucato> lol
[06:54] <intelikey> possably even exostential    idk
[06:55] <intelikey> iisc ^
[06:55] <Jucato> existential even
[06:55] <intelikey> yeah i have a lot of trubble with vowels
[06:56] <dxdemetriou> I have problem with krdc. the full screen some times work and others not. can I fix it?
[06:56] <intelikey> really all my misspelling is either a vowel or some times a consenant....
[06:57] <intelikey> dxdemetriou if you try hard enough and long enough  im sure you can.
[06:58] <dxdemetriou> intelikey, I try for days without to can find anything
[06:59] <intelikey> you checked the logs i'm sure.   and searched google for the same error messages.   ran it in konsole so you could trap error messages... used strace and ltrace to find what was failing   and read the docs in the source code   right ?
[07:01] <intelikey> seeing that you have not done any of that.  maybe that list would sufice as an outline of things to try...
[07:01] <robotgeek> intelikey: hmm, extensive list.
[07:01] <intelikey> who knows even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then....  :)
[07:02] <intelikey> well i'm out again.  gooday gents.
[07:02] <robotgeek> later intelikey
[07:04] <d03boy> alright people. i seriously need some help with this BCM43xx wireless driver
[07:04] <robotgeek> hmm, d03boy which one do you have bcm4306?
[07:05] <d03boy> 4309
[07:05] <robotgeek> d03boy: what have you tried till now?
[07:05] <d03boy> 0000:02:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4309 802.11a/b/g (rev 02)
[07:06] <d03boy> i found a .deb to install teh firmware(?) and driver but it gaveme some sort of an error in my log files
[07:06] <fulat2k> which package should i install to get kaffeine to play xvid movies?  i've installed mplayer and xine but it still doesn't play.  oh, vlc is installed as well if that helps
[07:06] <robotgeek> d03boy: the driver is already installed, but you need to get firmware
[07:06] <robotgeek> fulat2k: kaffeine-xine
[07:07] <d03boy> robot, alright... can you help me out there? :)
[07:08] <robotgeek> d03boy: sure, http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/dapper-cafuego/bcm43xx/
[07:08] <fulat2k> robotgeek: it's already installed...
[07:09] <robotgeek> fulat2k: hmm, xvid should play even without all that,, afaik
[07:09] <robotgeek> fulat2k: maybe file is corrupted?
[07:17] <robotgeek> d03boy: all set?
[07:18] <d03boy> ok i installed that firmware
[07:19] <robotgeek> d03boy: it should pick up the wireless card driver now
[07:20] <d03boy> ok, what do I need to do
[07:20] <d03boy> to see if it picks it up
[07:20] <robotgeek> d03boy: try "sudo rmmod bcm43xx", "sudo modprobe bcm43xx"
[07:20] <nanomike> Found: www.google.com/linux
[07:20] <nanomike> Cool
[07:22] <d03boy> ok it seemed to probe it fine
[07:22] <d03boy> wireless assistant doesnt pick anything up though
[07:23] <robotgeek> d03boy: the kde one is horrible and an abomination :)
[07:23] <d03boy> yayyy
[07:23] <robotgeek> d03boy: however, there is knetworkmanager which works great for me (YMMV)
[07:24] <d03boy> can I manually set it up?
[07:24] <d03boy> temporarily
[07:24] <robotgeek> d03boy: moment
[07:25] <robotgeek> d03boy: you might want to look at the wireless wiki page for broadcom, theere are scripts there which might hhelp you
[07:25] <robotgeek> !wifi > d03boy
[07:25] <d03boy> k
[07:44] <fulat2k> robotgeek: the file plays fine using vlc though
[07:49] <robotgeek> fulat2k: oh okay, that is useful information
[07:49] <robotgeek> fulat2k: what does kaffeine say when you try to play it?
[07:52] <bLaZeD> hello all im trying to install these packages and im getting this can anyone help me out? http://pastebin.ulteo.us/251
[07:57] <robotgeek> bLaZeD: edgy?
[07:57] <fulat2k> robotgeek: it doesn't output anything.  it just reads the file but w/o any output
[07:57] <bLaZeD> dapper
[07:57] <seven> kubuntu dvd ripper        dvd2Xvid ?
[07:58] <robotgeek> bLaZeD: do you have any backports etc enabled?
[07:58] <bLaZeD> no backports
[07:58] <fulat2k> robotgeek: it used to work in ubuntu 6.06.  but i can't remember what i did :P
[07:59] <bLaZeD> robotgeek, http://pastebin.ulteo.us/252
[07:59] <robotgeek> bLaZeD: this page lists http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/libdevel/libfaac-dev libmp4v2-dev as the dep
[08:00] <bLaZeD> i installed that
[08:00] <bLaZeD> but i still get this :
[08:00] <bLaZeD> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:00] <bLaZeD>   libfaac-dev: Depends: libmp4-dev but it is not installable
[08:00] <robotgeek> bLaZeD: it seems to be installing correctly for me, maybe you should apt-get update
[08:01] <bLaZeD> robotgeek, libmp4v2-dev installed fine
[08:01] <robotgeek> bLaZeD: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/253
[08:01] <robotgeek> !restrictedformats > fulat2k
[08:01] <robotgeek> fulat2k: maybe that page will help
[08:01] <fulat2k> robotgeek: ahh... there it is ;) thx dude
[08:02] <bLaZeD> robotgeek, http://pastebin.ulteo.us/254
[08:03] <robotgeek> bLaZeD: i think the problem might be with libfaac-dev being outdated on your mirror, you can install libfaac-dev manually maybe?
[08:04] <bLaZeD> robotgeek, as in compile from source?
[08:04] <bLaZeD> robotgeek, what mirror are you using?
[08:04] <robotgeek> bLaZeD: nope, from http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/libdevel/libfaac-dev
[08:06] <bLaZeD> robotgeek, http://pastebin.ulteo.us/255 ,,,this sint looking good
[08:06] <robotgeek> bLaZeD: just download it from http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/f/faac/libfaac-dev_1.24clean-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[08:07] <robotgeek> bLaZeD: hmm, yes. remove that libfaac0 maybe
[08:08] <robotgeek> bLaZeD: i am just using us.archive.ubuntu.com, i think (the http page was directed tehre)
[08:10] <bLaZeD> well it seems to be all broken now..
[08:11] <bLaZeD> http://pastebin.ulteo.us/256
[08:12] <robotgeek> bLaZeD: try using us.archive instead of archive, maybe that helps.
[08:12] <robotgeek> bLaZeD: do you want my sources.list?
[08:13] <bLaZeD> robotgeek, nah ill just add that to mine
[08:13] <bLaZeD> robotgeek, but thanks
[08:13] <bLaZeD> =)
[08:13] <foo> If fsck says this .. Inode 9224199 was part of the orphaned inode list.  IGNORED. and /dev/sda1 contains a file system with errors, check forced. ... then the filesystem has errors and I need to fix it, right? Also says ... /dev/sda1: ********** WARNING: Filesystem still has errors ******** .. system has no badblocks
[08:20] <bLaZeD> !restricted
[08:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:25] <seven> kubuntu dvd ripper        dvd2Xvid ?
[08:27] <robotgeek> seven: dvdrip, i think
[08:27] <robotgeek> but that is cli, i believe
[08:28] <bLaZeD> well i still cant install that package.....wondering if somthing is realy messed up with apt
[08:29] <seven> robotgeek: i read it can be done with k3b but it looks like i am to stupid to do that
[08:29] <seven> or i am missing something
[08:30] <robotgeek> seven: i believe all the details are present in k3b -> help
[08:30] <koriel> how can I stop and start the superdaemon in kubuntu?
[08:31] <koriel> killall -HUP inetd doesn't work, nor killall -HUP xinetd..
[08:31] <koriel> no inetd or xinetd process is running
[08:33] <momal> whats the command to remove the ext3 reserve
[08:33] <seven> robotgeek: yes i know that why i guess that i am too stupid
[08:35] <momal> whats the command to remove the ext3 reserve
[08:35] <robotgeek> seven: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/extragear-multimedia/k3b/howtos.html#videointroduction
[08:37] <momal> anyone ???? HeLPwhats the command to remove the ext3 reserve
[08:37] <mjunx> momal: tune2fs or something like that
[08:48] <MDCore> hey all. I'm trying to add an additional screen resolution to my xorg.conf. I'm currently running 1400x1050 on my laptop and what to add 1024x768 for a game, but I don't want it to default to that resolution when I log in (what happened when I tried). Any ideas ?
[08:49] <[-sara-] > can kubuntu work as a live cd?
[08:49] <CVirus> [-sara-] : yes
[08:50] <[-sara-] > does it support new laptops like hp pavillion dv 5000?
[08:51] <[-sara-] > and does it come with dev tools like g++ and gcc?
[08:52] <mjunx> [-sara-] : I don't think it does, but you can install them easily
[08:52] <mjunx> install gcc g++ binutils etc.
[08:53] <Op3r> hi anyone up?
[08:53] <Op3r> can anyone help me configure a wifi pcmcia card to work?
[08:54] <XVampireX> [-sara-] : You mean does your laptop support linux, and I'd bet it should, HP supports Linux
[08:54] <Op3r> I mean I tried connecting to my wifi router. I even removed the wep key and have it open and still cant connec t
[08:54] <Op3r> :(
[08:54] <XVampireX> ah
[08:55] <robotgeek> Op3r: try knetworkmanager
[08:55] <mjunx> or kwlan
[08:55] <Op3r> sudo apt-get install kwlan?
[08:56] <Op3r> installing it now
[09:02] <d03boy> what can I do if my computer completely freezes up
[09:02] <d03boy> mouse wont even move
[09:02] <d03boy> do i have to do a hard reset?
[09:02] <robotgeek> Op3r: nope, i meant kdenetworkmanager
[09:02] <jayron_> hmmm Im getting errors
[09:02] <robotgeek> d03boy: yeah, if it quits on you.
[09:03] <jayron_> cant find kdenetworkmanager
[09:04] <londo4> Hallo, what is the Hype-Terminal for kubuntu?
[09:04] <robotgeek> londo4: hyperterminal?
[09:05] <robotgeek> or hyped terminal, which would be yakuake :)
[09:05] <londo4> yes
[09:05] <londo4> yakuake?
[09:05] <londo4> robotgeek: yakuake?
[09:05] <robotgeek> londo4: nope
[09:06] <londo4> robotgeek: a programe to connect a comport to the router
[09:07] <robotgeek> londo4: minicom, kermit
[09:07] <robotgeek> londo4: there is a small tip on this page, http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/July2004/
[09:08] <robotgeek> londo4: i would recommend google also :)
[09:08] <londo4> robotgeek: ok
[09:08] <robotgeek> londo4: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/RedHat/2005-09/0146.html apparently telnet also works
[09:08] <jayron_> hmmm
[09:08] <jayron_> useless to configure my wifi for me :(
[09:09] <jayron_> or I should reinstall kubuntu again
[09:09] <robotgeek> jayron_: nope, that's not going to help
[09:10] <robotgeek> jayron_: knetworkmanager works decently well for me, however it works only if your /etc/network/interfaces is empty
[09:10] <jayron_> robotgeek, how do you install that? will it make my lan card go kaputs?
[09:10] <robotgeek> jayron_: i.e., except for auto lo; iface lo inet loopback lines
[09:11] <robotgeek> jayron_: your wireless card already works, or you need to install drivers?
[09:11] <jayron_> robotgeek, its detected in kubuntu
[09:11] <kinv> hey ppl! got 1 question... kubuntu running great..except! when i restart/start pc it goes to tty1 but its not gui.. i loging but can't startx cuz it running on tty7.. anyone know how i can make it so x starts when i start my pc ?
[09:11] <jayron_> i mean when I use wireless lan manager it shows my wifi router
[09:12] <jayron_> so I presume it is really working
[09:13] <robotgeek> jayron_: yes, it is. what is your issue then?
[09:13] <cheesypieces> hello there, anyone got any experience with samba?
[09:13] <jayron_> robotgeek, it wont connect even if i remove the wep key on the router i left the router open
[09:13] <kinv> does any1 know how i could fix this problem...
[09:13] <jayron_> still get connection failed
[09:15] <kinv> hey ppl! got 1 question... kubuntu running great..except! when i restart/start pc it goes to tty1 but its not gui.. i loging but can't startx cuz it running on tty7.. anyone know how i can make it so x starts when i start my pc ?
[09:15] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: just ask
[09:15] <robotgeek> kinv: weird. try sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm, though i doubt it will solve your issue
[09:16] <kinv> i have never had this happen b4... its so wierd
[09:16] <robotgeek> jayron_: i'm now confused. you state that you can get to the router configuration page, using your wireless card? am i right?
[09:19] <kinv> robotgeek: nah that didnt fix it.. any way i can set startx to load on tty1? cuz tty1 is what loads as default
[09:21] <robotgeek> kinv: do you get an gui if you do "/etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[09:21] <cheesypieces> does anyone know how to get into a samba share from windows without it asking for a username and password?
[09:21] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: okay, the samba is setup on linux?
[09:21] <cheesypieces> yes
[09:22] <d03boy> gah, I cant get this wireless to work
[09:22] <cheesypieces> i can see the computer in windows, but when i try to access it it asks me for a username and password
[09:22] <cheesypieces> no username or passwords i've got work
[09:23] <XVampireX> !wireless
[09:23] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:23] <XVampireX> d03boy: try that link maybe?
[09:23] <d03boy> already have........ its completely useless :P
[09:23] <kinv> robotgeek: i just restarted and tty1 can up.. i logged in... did what u said and got this: Stopping K Dispaly manager: kdm not runningkill: 129: Operation not permitted
[09:23] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: you need to make sure that there is a public account,
[09:23] <kinv> robotgeek: i just did start x and it started
[09:24] <XVampireX> d03boy: hmm, second
[09:24] <robotgeek> d03boy: what issue did it give you?
[09:24] <guglielf> !kernel
[09:24] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[09:24] <cheesypieces> robotgeek: okm how do i do that?
[09:24] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: or a guest ok, see "man smb.conf" for details
[09:25] <cheesypieces> robotgeek: ok, thank you
[09:25] <d03boy> well i tried setting up my wireless card and when I do iwconfig it says "access point: invalid"
[09:25] <d03boy> so im just not sure whats working and what isnt
[09:26] <robotgeek> d03boy: okay. let us take it one step at a time.
[09:26] <robotgeek> d03boy: lsmod | grep bcm43xx
[09:27] <d03boy> 3 things
[09:27] <robotgeek> d03boy: cool, let us move to phase 2
[09:27] <d03boy> bcm43xx 124044 0 ... ieee80211softmac 2342 1 bcm43xx ... ieee80211 23456 2 bcm43xx, ieee80211softmac
[09:28] <robotgeek> d03boy: ifconfig
[09:28] <d03boy> eth0, eth1, and lo... eth0 is my ethernet, eth1 is myw ireless
[09:28] <robotgeek> d03boy: cool. are you currently on that ethernet connection?
[09:28] <d03boy> nope
[09:28] <robotgeek> d03boy: good
[09:29] <robotgeek> d03boy: "ifconfig eth0 down", "ifconfig eth1 down"
[09:29] <robotgeek> with sudo, err
[09:30] <d03boy> k
[09:30] <d03boy> now ifconfig just shows lo
[09:30] <robotgeek> d03boy: cool
[09:30] <robotgeek> d03boy: sudo ifconfig eth1 up
[09:31] <d03boy> done
[09:31] <robotgeek> d03boy:  sudo iwlist eth1 scan
[09:31] <d03boy> no scan results
[09:31] <d03boy> im on laptop. maybe its physically disabled?
[09:31] <robotgeek> d03boy: then it is not seeing your wireless access point for some reason
[09:31] <robotgeek> d03boy: unlikely that that would work in linux :)
[09:32] <d03boy> i think its a bios thing
[09:34] <jayron_> robotgeek,
[09:35] <Op3r> robotgeek, i type  sudo iwlist eth1 scan and it showed my wireless router
[09:35] <Op3r> now the main problem is how to connect into it
[09:35] <robotgeek> d03boy: hmm, google says the powermanagement might be interfering
[09:35] <d03boy> hmm
[09:35] <robotgeek> Op3r: great. if you use knetworkmanager, all that is done nicely for you
[09:37] <robotgeek> d03boy: sadly, broadcom sucks. i also have a broadcom, but thankfully it works
[09:37] <Op3r> robotgeek, is that whats in the system settings -> network settings?
[09:37] <d03boy> robot, do you use ndiswrapper?
[09:37] <Op3r> oh ok
[09:37] <d03boy> ive had it working with ndiswrapper but I was hoping the drivers would work better :\
[09:37] <robotgeek> d03boy: no, i am on powerpc (ibook), and use the same drivers
[09:37] <d03boy> apparently they dont
[09:37] <Op3r> im installing it now
[09:37] <robotgeek> Op3r: make sure you have nothing in your /etc/network/interfaces except the lo stuff
[09:38] <Op3r> robotgeek, so that means wiping out my lan card too or it will just go revert when I connect my lan cables?
[09:39] <robotgeek> Op3r: it managees automagically :)
[09:39] <robotgeek> Op3r: back your old one up somewhere, just in case it does not work
[09:39] <Op3r> ill just retain auto lo right?
[09:39] <d03boy> wow this laptop is pissing me off. it has froze about 5 times so far and I just installed this bitch 2 days ago
[09:39] <d03boy> and ive hardly touched it
[09:40] <robotgeek> Op3r: yes, and the line below it
[09:40] <Op3r> err
[09:40] <Op3r> ok
[09:40] <Op3r> a good thing i have a back up
[09:41] <robotgeek> d03boy: google seems to say bad things about that card, sorry
[09:41] <Op3r> robotgeek, then restart right?
[09:41] <d03boy> i'll just use ndiswrapper
[09:42] <robotgeek> Op3r: hmm, nope. just start the applet, alt + f2, knetworkmanager
[09:43] <Op3r> robotgeek, it can only connect to wep!?
[09:43] <fulat2k> robotgeek: yeay!  it worked :P
[09:43] <robotgeek> fulat2k: awesome!
[09:44] <robotgeek> Op3r: that depends on your card, i think
[09:44] <robotgeek> Op3r: trying wpa?
[09:44] <d03boy> mother son of a bitch......... now this damn thing froze while booting up on the "Loading hardware drivers"
[09:44] <d03boy> i hate this damn laptop
[09:44] <fulat2k> robotgeek: umm... one more question.  i'm using kubuntu 6.10 on a laptop and somehow the touchpad is configured to emulate mouse wheel at the right side of the touchpad.  any idea how to disable that?
[09:45] <Op3r> robotgeek, yep im trying wpa
[09:45] <robotgeek> fulat2k: hmm, i would guess some option in either K-> Menu -> System Settings -> Mouse (doubtful), or /etc/X11/xorg.conf (more likely)
[09:46] <robotgeek> d03boy: please don't swear.
[09:46] <robotgeek> !coc > d03boy
[09:46] <fulat2k> robotgeek: can't find anything in system settings -> keyboard & mouse. lemme try xorg.conf
[09:46] <robotgeek> Op3r: works?
[09:46] <Op3r> robotgeek, all i can see is the option for wep
[09:47] <robotgeek> Op3r: then your card's driver does not support wpa, i guess
[09:47] <robotgeek> Op3r: http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerHardware
[09:47] <Op3r> oh well might as well use wep
[09:48] <robotgeek> Op3r: heh
[09:48] <cheesypieces> robotgeek: i still can't get samba to work properly
[09:48] <cheesypieces> i can access my windows machines ok form kubuntu, but not the other way round
[09:49] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: okay, where are you at?
[09:50] <fuzzy> !xbox
[09:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xbox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:50] <cheesypieces> i've set all the folers and things i want to share
[09:50] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: have you looked at the sharing tab in K-menusystem settings?
[09:50] <cheesypieces> which seems to have gone ok
[09:50] <cheesypieces> yes, and i'm sure i've got everything the way i want it
[09:50] <fuzzy> does anybody know how I can share my music and movies from my computer to mye 360?
[09:51] <cheesypieces> but i can't see any of the folders in windows, just the computer
[09:51] <cheesypieces> and if i try to look in that it asks me for a usrname and password
[09:51] <d03boy> oh great
[09:51] <d03boy> BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
[09:52] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: what does "testparm" tell you
[09:52] <cheesypieces> erm not much
[09:52] <cheesypieces> sounds fun though
[09:52] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: can you paste that somewhere?
[09:52] <cheesypieces> yeah ok
[09:53] <robotgeek> d03boy: crazy
[09:54] <d03boy> im definetly going to throw this laptop out a window soon
[09:54] <fuzzy> do it do it :P
[09:54] <devinus> :-)
[09:54] <cheesypieces> d03boy i know how you feel
[09:55] <cheesypieces> robotgeek: if i run that command in konsole it tells me all my shares and that
[09:55] <cheesypieces> one of them is 'global'
[09:55] <cheesypieces> could that be the one i need to change?
[09:56] <pip> Jucato: Hi
[09:56] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: the way i have it setup is just having a demo share (i modified the cdrom share in "man smb.conf")
[09:57] <cheesypieces> robotgeek: how do you mean a demo share?
[09:58] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: just for testing, err
[09:58] <cheesypieces> erm.. yeah, i knew that
[09:58] <cheesypieces> ahem
[09:59] <cheesypieces> robotgeek, how did you modify the cdrom share?
[09:59] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: just copy the same thing with a [test]  bracket
[10:00] <cheesypieces> now i'm confused
[10:00] <cheesypieces> the same thing as what?
[10:00] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: okay, i will post it somewhere
[10:04] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: http://pastebin.ca/256502
[10:05] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: however, you may have to login in windows as nobody
[10:06] <cheesypieces> robotgeek: how do I log onto windows as nobody?
[10:07] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: i mean, when you are connecting to share, give username nobody
[10:08] <cheesypieces> oh i see
[10:11] <cheesypieces> robotgeek, ok i've editted the file
[10:12] <cheesypieces> do i need to restart anything to get it to work?
[10:12] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: hope it works
[10:12] <cheesypieces> robotgeek, hasn't worked
[10:12] <cheesypieces> still the same
[10:13] <cheesypieces> i can't log on as nobody
[10:14] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: i think you might also need to add a file /etc/samba/smbusers with "nobody" in it
[10:15] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: i am trying to recall from memory, i did this last week
[10:15] <robotgeek> it was very easy to do with ubutu's gui though, to be honest
[10:16] <cheesypieces> yeah, i get the feeling it should be
[10:17] <robotgeek> cheesypieces: you should definetly be able to login using your userid and password (if you set it up using kde)
[10:17] <cheesypieces> robotgeek, yeah i know
[10:17] <cheesypieces> but i can;t
[10:17] <cheesypieces> :(
[10:18] <pip> Can you read me ?
[10:18] <robotgeek> pip: no :)
[10:19] <ScarFreewill> what pkg do i need if i want the source of my current running kernel (2.6.17-10-386) btw is there a deb pkg for cdemu?
[10:33] <guiden> obuto! | guiden
[10:34] <guiden> ubotu! | guiden
[10:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about guiden - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:54] <guiden> I've heard that people can actually play windows games in linux, is there a guide that can help me?
[10:54] <guiden> with this
[10:56] <k_osh> guiden: have a look at cedega.
[10:56] <k_osh> !cedega
[10:56] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[10:58] <guiden> eh? it cost money?! :)
[10:59] <guiden> aha
[10:59] <guiden> never mind
[11:04] <guiden> is kaffeine the video player in kubuntu?
[11:06] <visik7> yes it is
[11:06] <guiden> im trying to watch a dvd
[11:06] <visik7> you need to install some libs
[11:06] <visik7> for dvd
[11:06] <visik7> !restricted
[11:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:13] <guiden> ok thanks
[11:13] <pc5> hola
[11:14] <guiden> how many people are developing kubuntu, are they also following the development of ubuntu and debian?
[11:22] <pc5> hello
[11:23] <XVampireX> guiden: kubuntu is ubuntu with kde
[11:24] <cheesypieces> does anyone know how to access samba through a gui?
[11:24] <unix_infidel> cheesypieces: apt-cache showpkg smb4k
[11:26] <cheesypieces> i'm sure there used to be an option in system settings for samba
[11:26] <cheesypieces> can't seem to find it
[11:27] <Jucato> smb:/ in Konqueror?
[11:27] <cheesypieces> Jucato, I mean to change the settings
[11:27] <cheesypieces> i don't like editing the config file
[11:28] <Jucato> ah
[11:28] <eilker> what command to check my filesystem ?
[11:29] <cheesypieces> is there a graphical or web based way to set up samba?
[11:30] <guiden> ok
[11:30] <guiden> hey I can't play mp3 either
[11:31] <unix_infidel> cheesypieces: yes, but its not recommended.
[11:31] <unix_infidel> is shift+pg up/dn a native feature in a tty shell to allow scrolling?
[11:31] <cheesypieces> unix_infidel, ok i'll bear that in mind
[11:31] <cheesypieces> so how do i do it then?
[11:31] <unix_infidel> cheesypieces: look at swat
[11:32] <cheesypieces> unix_infidel, i've installed that but i don't know how to run it
[11:32] <unix_infidel> it'll help you configure most everything, but be advised its known to be more of a pain.
[11:33] <cheesypieces> unix_infidel: how do i run swat?
[11:38] <cheesypieces> unix_infidel, I can't find how to launch swat
[11:39] <unix_infidel> cheesypieces: try localhost:901 in firefox.
[11:40] <cheesypieces> unix_infidel i don't have firefox
[11:40] <cheesypieces> just konqueror
[11:40] <unix_infidel> any browser will do.
[11:41] <cheesypieces> An error occurred while loading http://localhost:901: Could not connect to host localhost (port 901
[11:43] <unix_infidel> http://copia.ogbuji.net/blog/2006-01-26/The_madnes
[11:43] <unix_infidel> try that out.
[11:44] <cheesypieces> unix_infidel, ah that might b useful
[11:44] <cheesypieces> tvm
[11:52] <crystal> Bonjour bonjour
[11:52] <TamerDE> Hi people! Is there a way to start the console instead of the graphical installer for the latest kubuntu version?!
[11:55] <icheyne> I think you can do it at the login screen when you click the session button, but I am not sure
[11:55] <icheyne> oh the installer!
[11:55] <icheyne> try the alternate cd
[11:55] <TamerDE> yes, I don't want KDE to be loaded, I want the console installer.
[11:56] <icheyne> !alternate | TamerDE
[11:56] <ubotu> TamerDE: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[11:56] <TamerDE> like that one from 6.0.6
[11:57] <TamerDE> I downloaded the normal kubuntu, and the installer starts. I cannot enter the textmode or do I have to download one other version from the net?!
[11:57] <icheyne> download the other cd
[11:57] <TamerDE> :(
[11:57] <TamerDE> where is the link?!
[11:58] <icheyne> its with the regular downloads
[12:01] <TamerDE> thanks , I am downloading it now.
[12:01] <unix_infidel> anyone happen to read escape code?
[12:01] <unix_infidel> ^[Oa
[12:02] <unix_infidel> trying to figure out what keys that maps to with a screenrc
[12:03] <icheyne> TamerDE, np
[12:06] <fritzalb> sono italiano
[12:07] <fritzalb>  la prima volta che utilizzo kubuntu, diio quanto sono imbranato
[12:10] <Jucato> !it
[12:10] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:10] <eilker> any help pls ? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33654/
[12:12] <eilker> !partiton editor
[12:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about partiton editor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:19] <eilker> can qtparted be used when kubuntu is working ?
[12:22] <gnomefreak> eilker: yes its built for kde
[12:31] <Daviey> Hi, does has anybody tried logging in using XDMCP under edgy?
[12:40] <Daviey> thrive of activity here today!
[12:44] <olivier> me gustaria hacer una pregunta sobre ubuntu edgy...
[12:45] <olivier> lo tengo instalado en un amd64 (k8) y no puedo lograr la compatibilidad con 32 bits.
[12:46] <olivier> He intentado seguir las instrucciones de la pagina de BULMA
[12:46] <olivier> y ni con esas.
[12:46] <olivier> Alguna ayuda?
[12:46] <SlimG> When trying to play mono channel .wav files in amaroK i get this terrible noise from the speakers, the wav plays at normal speed and i can hear the voices. But I can play mono channel .wav files in Kaffeine without any problem, where is the problem located? (edgy)
[12:55] <Daviey> thrive of activity here today!
[12:58] <Daviey> Hi, does has anybody tried logging in using XDMCP under edgy?
[01:09] <[GuS] > Bonjour...
[01:09] <wildchild> bonjoUR
[01:10] <pip> Hello
[01:11] <ambehall> !se
[01:11] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[01:12] <smoenux> Hey all... quick question... can I use debian packages in Kubuntu?
[01:12] <pip> There were some icons (programs) on my panel,and I add a Systen Tray,then the icons dispeared at once, what was going on ? How to let the icons appear again ?
[01:13] <_4strO`> it's a trap question
[01:13] <pip> smoenux: I think so
[01:13] <nuxil> hi all
[01:13] <fred_> lu
[01:13] <smoenux> pip, lol... thanks I'll give it a try... I want to install the Cairo-Clock with my xgl, but I only get a debian package
[01:14] <nuxil> how can i remove a user from a group from the cli? without edit the /etc/group file manualy
[01:14] <nuxil> i dont want to del a user,, just remove the user from a group
[01:15] <smoenux> nuxil, i'm newb, so don't listen to me ... lol ... but, have you tried under the system settings? you can manage users there
[01:15] <pip> the icons are between the "Desktop Preview & Paper" and the clock, and I add a System Tray(if I could remember),then the icons dispeared at once, how to recover them ?
[01:15] <Jucato> smoenux: if by "debian package" you mean a .deb package, more or less you can install them. but if you mean getting them from the Debian repositories, no.
[01:17] <pip> Jucato: Hi,can you help me ,sir ? : )
[01:18] <Jucato> pip: which icons disappeared?
[01:18] <smoenux> pip, is it not a applet you need to add? maybe ?
[01:18] <smoenux> jucato, I think he is referring to the icons, similair to the windows tray
[01:19] <_4strO`> think the icon desappear after a crach
[01:19] <smoenux> yeah... the system tray
[01:19] <Jucato> ah the System Tray? right-click on the panel, Add Applet to Panel, look for System Tray, then add
[01:19] <pip> Jucato: such as the power manager and amaroK and so on,but I think they are affected by my configuration
[01:19] <jerre> will it be possible to have kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop...if i install xubuntu-desktop will it delete kubuntu-desktop
[01:19] <pip> Jucato: yeah.the system tray,! ; )
[01:19] <Jucato> jerre: it's possible to have them all. it won't delete anything
[01:20] <jerre> jucato:can i switch bet them
[01:20] <Jucato> jerre: yes. through the Session options in the Login screen
[01:20] <pip> Jucato: thanks ,but why did they dispeard just now ?
[01:20] <nuxil> smoenux your totaly correct. im not going to listen to you,,
[01:20] <jerre> jucato:thank u very much
[01:20] <Jucato> pip: I have no idea...
[01:21] <nuxil> i want it done on cli
[01:21] <pip> Jucato: I might clicked on the remove the system tray from the panel ; /
[01:22] <smoenux> nuxil ... lol
[01:23] <nuxil> gpasswd ;D
[01:23] <Jucato> nuxil: not sure, but "deluser [user]  [group] " might be what you're looking for, in any case, "man deluser" to check
[01:23] <smoenux> Does anyone know of a good Desktop clock applet similair to cairo-clock (cairo clock is for gnome)
[01:24] <gnomefreak> smoenux: check in superkarmba ;)
[01:25] <Jucato> does superkaramba work even with xgl/compiz/beryl?
[01:26] <gnomefreak> i dont see why not other than cpu/ram usage
[01:27] <Jucato> gnomefreak: I mean transparency effects... anyway... it's his problem :P
[01:27] <smoenux> >,<  -- not another black window :(
[01:27] <gnomefreak> Jucato: apt?
[01:27] <Jucato> no
[01:27] <gnomefreak> damnit
[01:27] <Jucato> kernel panic...
[01:27] <gnomefreak> Jucato: thats normal
[01:27] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:27] <Jucato> hehe
[01:27] <gnomefreak> Jucato: what is the message
[01:28] <Jucato> hehe I didn't take note... I can only see the message if I boot into recovery mode
[01:28] <Jucato> good thing I took  a snapshot of feisty *before* I restarted it :)
[01:28] <gnomefreak> none of them say something like pci bios bad or something like that
[01:29] <Jucato> I'll check again...
[01:29] <Jucato> heh I thought it'd be easier if I installed on vmware. lol
[01:30] <gnomefreak> never ;)
[01:31] <Jucato> ouch...
[01:31] <gnomefreak> i have others that i need to work on
[01:31] <Jucato> you dual/triple/multi boot?
[01:31] <gnomefreak> dual
[01:32] <Jucato> between edgy and feisty?
[01:32] <gnomefreak> no :( windows and feisty
[01:32] <gnomefreak> im screwed either way
[01:32] <Jucato> oh... and you're on feisty now?
[01:32] <gnomefreak> always
[01:32] <nuxil> Jucato ^^ did you see the comman i pasted before you wrote :P
[01:32] <gnomefreak> its rare i boot windows
[01:32] <nuxil> *command
[01:32] <Jucato> I'd dual boot too, if it wasn't that inconvenient...
[01:32] <Jucato> nuxil: no I didn't
[01:33] <nuxil> gpasswd
[01:33] <nuxil> :)
[01:33] <gnomefreak> brb lets see if i screwed anything up yet
[01:33] <nuxil> gpasswd -d user group
[01:33] <Jucato> ah ok
[01:36] <kamo> hi, my hdd failed and i'm trying to boot from the kubunty bootable cd (using the latest one). My question is how can i make the system ignore the HDD because when it tryes to start the enterprise volume management system it starts enlessly to display errors like this one: "Buffer I/O error on device dm_0, logical block 27232, 27233, etc...
[01:41] <smoenux> what is the difference with sudo and kdesu ?
[01:43] <Jucato> !kdesu | smoenux
[01:43] <ubotu> smoenux: In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[01:44] <smoenux> ah... ok.... 'cause I ran this "kdesu apt-get update" in the terminal and got a error.... so I just ran "sudo apt-get update" and it updated fine
[01:46] <londo4> I have installed FrostWire but I can`t get hem work, who can help with FrostWire?
[01:47] <Jucato> smoenux: basically you use kdesu for GUI apps, and sudo for CLI commands
[01:47] <londo4> it try to open but after some second  it stop
[01:49] <smoenux> thanks Jucato
[01:56] <pip> can I upgrade 6.06 to 6.10 ?
[01:56] <Schalken> !supertux
[01:56] <ubotu> supertux: Classic 2D jump 'n run sidescroller with Tux. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.3-1.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 228 kB, installed size 548 kB
[01:56] <Jucato> !upgrade | pip
[01:56] <ubotu> pip: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[01:57] <Jucato> pip: but if that's  a very fresh install of Kubuntu, I'd suggest just installing Edgy directly
[01:57] <Schalken> Jucato: you mean backup, delete and install?
[01:58] <xwolf-> upgrading dapper to edgy always means problems.. hehe.
[01:58] <pip> Jucato: fresh install,what do you mean ?
[01:58] <pip> xwolf-: why ?
[01:58] <xwolf-> this is the second time i have to resort to text-mode to complete the installation
[01:58] <snpz^> install fresh is better in this case
[01:58] <Jucato> pip: fresh install  means you just installed within the last 6 hours and didn't do much yet
[01:58] <pip> xwolf-: I just installed Drapper  :  /
[01:58] <xwolf-> some broken packages
[01:59] <xwolf-> pip: i suggest you install edgy from scratch
[01:59] <snpz^> pip, dapper is better that edgy in my oppinion
[01:59] <pip> Jucato: I did not do much yet,and just updating now
[01:59] <xwolf-> specially if you're even newer to linux than me
[01:59] <pip> snpz^: than ?
[01:59] <Jucato> pip: follow the upgrade instructions very very carefully
[01:59] <Jucato> !upgrade | pip
[01:59] <ubotu> pip: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[01:59] <snpz^> i think that kubuntu 6.06.1 is best choise
[02:00] <xwolf-> snpz^: i don't think it's better, but... problem-free.
[02:00] <snpz^> right
[02:00] <Jucato> snpz^: probably, but not for everyone. some people need the newer kernel to make some hardware work, afaik
[02:00] <xwolf-> the main glitch still seems to be broken packages
[02:00] <pip> snpz^: : ) good
[02:00] <snpz^> it's better because of problem-free
[02:00] <snpz^> Jucato, where is the problem to upgrade kernel?
[02:00] <xwolf-> Jucato: how well did your upgrade go?
[02:00] <pip> snpz^: 6.10 is not problem -free ?
[02:01] <xwolf-> snpz^: sometimes kernel upgrading is necessary
[02:01] <snpz^> afaik - no
[02:01] <xwolf-> pip: that's figure of speech
[02:01] <snpz^> xwolf-, sometimes it is
[02:01] <Jucato> snpz^: problem is you'd have to compile the kernel yourself on Dapper. 2.6.17 isn
[02:01] <snpz^> there is a lot step-by step manuals how to do that
[02:01] <Jucato> isn't available on Dapper
[02:01] <franzmax> Hello
[02:01] <xwolf-> sup franzmax
[02:02] <xwolf-> but truth is.. edgy is prettier :P
[02:02] <nikita> how can i change display power setting from 5 hours to any other? when i change it from kcontrol it changes, but only before the first reboot :(
[02:02] <snpz^> right
[02:02] <snpz^> Jucato, i think that edgy is pretty bugy
[02:03] <nikita> then it's again 5 hours
[02:03] <franzmax>  Need a little help: I likely hit something wrong and now my kicker toolbar is disappeared
[02:03] <snpz^> 6.10.1 will be ok
[02:03] <pip> Jucato: Hi,why the Chinese is poor in konqueror,since I have installed Chinese support
[02:03] <Jucato> not really. the upgrade may be buggy. But I haven't experienced much problem
[02:03] <Jucato> snpz^: there will be no 6.10.1
[02:03] <xwolf-> Jucato: agreed.
[02:03] <Jucato> pip: I don't know really
[02:03] <snpz^> Jucato, who knows
[02:03] <snpz^> 6.06.1 was
[02:03] <pip> Jucato: ok
[02:03] <Jucato> snpz^: that's because Dapper is LTS, so it needed a point release. Edgy isn't
[02:03] <snpz^> there was a lot of bug fixes
[02:04] <pip> I am updating my 6.06 with Drapper source list ,not dangerous risk
[02:04] <Jucato> there will be security updates in Edgy too, but not in the form of a point release
[02:04] <snpz^> ok
[02:04] <snpz^> if u say so
[02:04] <snpz^> :)
[02:04] <Jucato> pip: it is dangerous if you don't follow the instructions for upgrading to Edgy carefully
[02:04] <xwolf-> edgy came out quicker, didn't it? breezy->dapper took longer
[02:05] <Jucato> xwolf-: edgy came out "quicker" because Dapper came out late
[02:05] <xwolf-> hm...
[02:05] <Jucato> Dapper was almost 2 months late, so Edgy had only less than 5 months
[02:05] <franzmax> How do I access kicker toolbar settings if kicker is hidden and I can't make it appear?
[02:05] <Jucato> franzmax: Alt+F2, "kcontrol"
[02:06] <xwolf-> franzmax: perhaps alt+f2?
[02:06] <Jucato> *that* is one of those Edgy "bugs" :)
[02:06] <xwolf-> irssi is so... different :)
[02:06] <franzmax> xwolf : if i give command kicker it says it's already running....
[02:07] <xwolf-> franzmax: then kill it and start it again. or run kcontrol like Jucato said
[02:07] <xwolf-> but i don't even know what 'kicker' is, so, sorry.
[02:07] <Jucato> franzmax: no need to restart kicker. to get to kicker's settings, just launch kcontrol
[02:07] <Jucato> xwolf-: Kicker, the KDE Panel
[02:07] <xwolf-> Jucato: no change.
[02:07] <franzmax> xwolf: how can I kill it without knowing its PID ?
[02:08] <xwolf-> franzmax: just listen to Jucato, he's like ages from where i am.
[02:08] <Jucato> xwolf-: what do you mean?
[02:08] <franzmax> thanks Jucato
[02:08] <Jucato> why do you need to kill kicker?
[02:08] <xwolf-> Jucato: i still cant connect 'kicker' to its visual appearance
[02:08] <pip> Jucato: yes,recently,I won't upgrade Drapper before I work on it smootnly
[02:08] <cox377> has anyone here use dream linux?
[02:08] <xwolf-> but wait till i get X running.
[02:09] <Jucato> xwolf-: the panel? that horizontal bar that sits at the bottom?
[02:09] <franzmax> i don't... iwas only answering to xwolf-
[02:09] <xwolf-> pip: that's dapper
[02:09] <xwolf-> Jucato: oh. THAT's kicker?
[02:09] <pip> Jucato: I dont know Kaffeine,does it as well as mplayer ?
[02:09] <pip> *is
[02:09] <Jucato> pip: yeah, it's good.
[02:10] <pip> if not,I need to install mplayer
[02:10] <xwolf-> uhm, restarting pc.
[02:10] <Jucato> pip: you just need the right codecs to play stuff on Kaffeine and Amarok.
[02:10] <xwolf-> amarok got me drooling all over when it discovered an unknown mp3 i had ages ago
[02:11] <Jucato> franzmax: were you able to solve your problem already?
[02:12] <xwolf-> damn, i'm getting a lot of warnings
[02:12] <xwolf-> perl locale setting and shit
[02:12] <franzmax> Jucato, can't find anything wrong in my settings for the toolbar
[02:12] <franzmax> but still it doesn't come out
[02:13] <Jucato> franzmax: but it says that kicker is running? did you check the Hiding settings?
[02:13] <Schalken> A certain Amarok script says I need QtRuby, RubyGtk or TkRuby. Does anyone know what package would contain any of these?
[02:13] <Schalken> !ruby
[02:13] <ubotu> ruby: An interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby. In component main, is optional. Version 1.8.2-1 (edgy), package size 18 kB, installed size 96 kB
[02:13] <franzmax> wait, i could set it to come out by going at the top left of screen
[02:13] <Schalken> !qtruby
[02:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qtruby - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:13] <franzmax> and it comes out
[02:13] <xwolf-> Schalken: search ruby in your package manager
[02:13] <Jucato> franzmax: so it was the hiding settiings?
[02:14] <Schalken> xwolf-: Ruby is installed, but not QtRuby or any of the others, apparently.
[02:14] <franzmax> most likely yes, but i still can't get it out by simply going at the screen bottom
[02:14] <bxnp> people i am running kubuntu dapper, and i have a little problem with konqueror, sometimes when it crashes and when it does i cant restart it anymore
[02:15] <xwolf-> Schalken: 1. no need to add repositories? 2. are there no other ruby packages in the list?
[02:15] <danielb> maybe the problem is in the qt libraries
[02:15] <Schalken> bxnp: put 'konqueror' into Konsole and see what it says.
[02:15] <pip> Jucato: there comes an error in one program named "kdnssd4:3.5.2"
[02:15] <Schalken> xwolf-: well none that have qt in their name
[02:15] <bxnp> it shows nothing it just hangs there Schalken
[02:15] <rlj> i'm having some issues under edgy where device icons on the desktop for removable media show up in a weird way and are not very functional (although the entries when browsed through the media:/ ioslave are fine)
[02:15] <Schalken> bxnp: it should give at least SOME output,
[02:15] <pip> and why am I using the http://au.archive.ubuntu.com dapper ....source,Australia 's ?
[02:16] <bxnp> nothing
[02:16] <Jucato> rlj: what do you mean by "weird" and "not very functional"?
[02:16] <Schalken> pip: change it if you want.
[02:16] <xwolf-> Schalken: bxnp if you run konqueror from konsole, the error messages will appear and you will be able to pastebin it to us
[02:16] <Jucato> pip: try changing it to cn.archive.ubuntu.com if that server exists
[02:16] <xwolf-> sorry Schalken, that's for bxnp
[02:16] <rlj> when i have a cd inserted and mounted for example, it shows up properly with the volume name in media:/, but on the desktop, there is instead a mounted cd icon with the title cdrom0 (the name of the mountpoint)
[02:16] <franzmax> It's ok now, thanks Jucato!  I only wonder how it could have happened
[02:16] <bxnp> the problem is that it wont start, and is not giving any messages
[02:16] <pip> But the updating is working now
[02:17] <Jucato> rlj: that's normal on Edgy
[02:17] <rlj> and if i eject the cd so that there is no cd under media:/, the cdrom0 icon is still on the desktop
[02:17] <xwolf-> bxnp: restart kde and then do that.
[02:17] <Jucato> rlj: if you've noticed, everywhere there is "media:/", it has been changed to "/media"
[02:17] <Jucato> that's one of the side effects
[02:17] <kamo> does the boot disk offer more than one kernel?
[02:18] <rlj> well, i do notice that the popup will direct to the mountpoint /media/cdrom0 instead of the media:/ ioslave wrapper which is nice i guess
[02:18] <xwolf-> kamo: you mean edgy desktop cd?
[02:18] <rlj> however, always having an icon called cdrom0 on my desktop which looks to be mounted is not very nice
[02:18] <kamo> xwolf-, yes
[02:18] <bxnp> brb i am gong to restart kde
[02:18] <Schalken> xwolf-: aha, i found libqt-ruby
[02:18] <xwolf-> kamo: nope.
[02:18] <Jucato> rlj: you mean the icon doesn't disappear when you unmount?
[02:18] <rlj> Jucato: yes.
[02:18] <rlj> Jucato: and it will never have the proper volume name of the cd
[02:18] <Jucato> kamo: if I'm not mistaken, the Desktop CD only contains the -generic kernel
[02:19] <kamo> xwolf-, i'm trying to disable enterprise volume management system
[02:19] <xwolf-> Schalken: not trying to brag, but i'd tell you to search for libs
[02:19] <Jucato> rlj: the "cdrom0" name is normal. but remaining on your desktop after ejecting isn't
[02:19] <kamo> Jucato, that's too bad
[02:19] <rlj> Jucato: also, if i'm not mistaken, i think other removable media never show up on desktop (like usb keys)
[02:19] <Jucato> kamo: why?
[02:19] <xwolf-> Schalken: that's nice to know if i ever bump into that problem.
[02:19] <Jucato> my USB Card Reader shows up on the desktop
[02:19] <kamo> Jucato, because enterprise volume mangement system starts by default
[02:19] <rlj> Jucato:  let me try that and verify, hang on a sec
[02:20] <xwolf-> well, you won't be able to edit the cd's config files, i'd say.
[02:20] <Jucato> kamo: and? I mean about having no other kernels on the CD?
[02:20] <rlj> Jucato: yep, my ipod will not show up on desktop, not even after it's mounted
[02:21] <rlj> Jucato: maybe i am having dapper->edgy issues after all. but i seem to remember the regression occurred at some point after the upgrade, not because of it
[02:21] <kamo> Jucato, due to that my system fails to start
[02:21] <rlj> Jucato: didn't really do any further investigation at the time
[02:21] <Jucato> kamo: you can't even start in Safe graphics mode?
[02:21] <rlj> Jucato: but it's sortof annoying by now :)
[02:22] <Jucato> rlj: I haven't experienced that in Edgy so far...
[02:22] <rlj> Jucato: since i need to fire up a konqi with media:/ to use the eject or safely remove context menu items..
[02:22] <kamo> Jucato, no
[02:22] <Jucato> rlj: going to /media doesn't help?
[02:22] <rlj> Jucato: whereas before i would just show desktop and do it from there
[02:22] <Jucato> I do it from the desktop currently... strange
[02:22] <rlj> Jucato: well, that is true. context menu items show up there too
[02:23] <Jucato> strange.. (the desktop problem...)
[02:23] <rlj> Jucato: but i'm more used to browsing via sidebar to media:/ and ejecting than going directly to /media
[02:23] <Jucato> ah
[02:23] <rlj> i rarely ever use the location bar when i use konqueror.
[02:24] <rlj> for some reason
[02:24] <rlj> when i'm doing it graphically, i seem to prefer having it fully graphical. i guess i find konqi's tabcompletion a bit bad at times
[02:24] <Jucato> heh, you should try Opera's... :P
[02:25] <xwolf-> well, time to restart after big upgrade.
[02:25] <xwolf-> be back soon.
[02:25] <rlj> Jucato: well, when i remove the media, /media doesn't update the entries as nicely as media:/ does anyway. so i guess for the time being i prefer media:/
[02:26] <Jucato> yeah, in that sense, media:/ is sometimes better.
[02:26] <rlj> although i know the kio is incompatible with nonkdeapps so it makes sense not to use kde URIs in general if possible
[02:26] <Jucato> but wait till you try to do symlinks using/in media:/
[02:26] <rlj> after all, kde just thinks /media is another directory (which it is)
[02:26] <rlj> Jucato: well, yeah. but that hasn't made sense to me to do so far
[02:27] <rlj> Jucato: i'm fairly happy with the mountpoints hal suggests for most of the time
[02:27] <pip> Jucato: Hello,where is the source list ?
[02:27] <rlj> so btw
[02:27] <Jucato> !upgrade | pip
[02:27] <ubotu> pip: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[02:27] <rlj> if media:/ is to be deprecated in kubuntu, where will i see the volume name of a cd?
[02:27] <Jucato> pip: follow those instructions if you want to upgrade to Edgy
[02:28] <rlj> cause the mountpoint surely doesn't help out here...
[02:28] <Jucato> rlj: volume name? or the Label?
[02:28] <rlj> Jucato: hm. label i think
[02:28] <pip> Jucato: NO,I dont ,I just want to change source list to local source
[02:28] <rlj> Jucato: sorry bout that
[02:28] <Jucato> rlj: ah... hm...
[02:28] <Jucato> pip: /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:29] <snowice> I can't install kdar, because libdar3c2a is missing from my repositories (edgy and universe and multiverse uncommented). Where can I get that package?
[02:29] <rlj> that might actually be pretty interesting to have visible when you are staring at the desktop, wondering what that cd inserted actually is and if i should just eject it and put it back in its case...
[02:30] <rlj> Jucato: without firing up kde-hal-device-manager and having a look down the list ;)
[02:30] <Jucato> true. I think they left out that little detail...
[02:30] <rlj> which i do all the time anyway because i'm interested in hal and what information it can dig up that most pre-hal programs can't
[02:30] <rlj> btw, that leads me to another question
[02:31] <Jucato> @_@
[02:32] <rlj> does kwrite and kde-hal-device-manager (to take some examples) have .desktop files? (i assume they do because they have icons associated with them). so why won't they work in katapult?
[02:33] <rlj> i find it very annoying not to be able to use kwrite from katapult. and kde-hal-device-manager. :)
[02:33] <Jucato> rlj: I think their .desktop files need to be in /usr/share/applications or ~/.local/applications, which means they have to be in the K Menu
[02:34] <Jucato> er.. not really sure about that one though
[02:34] <Jucato> all I know is that they have to be in the K Menu to be accessible to Katapult
[02:35] <rlj> kde-hal-device-manager is definitely in kmenu
[02:35] <rlj> dunno about kwrite
[02:35] <Jucato> kwrite isn't
[02:35] <rlj> might not be per default if kubuntu want you to use kate most of the time
[02:35] <Jucato> you mean you can't run kde-hal-dev-manager from Katapult?
[02:35] <rlj> hmmm
[02:35] <rlj> actually
[02:36] <h3sp4wn> May as well use vi all the time (as it is standard on any other UNIX system you may come across)
[02:36] <rlj> it seems i can run it by it's .desktop name (which is "Device Manager")
[02:36] <Jucato> rlj: use the app's name in K Menu when launching it from Katapult
[02:36] <rlj> trying as kde-hal-device-manager though, katapult parses it as an invalid math expression
[02:36] <rlj> i never look at the kmenu ;)
[02:37] <Jucato> heh
[02:37] <rlj> if it's kde-hal-device-manager in the console and in the run prompt, then that's it's name!
[02:37] <rlj> :)
[02:37] <rlj> at least, one of it's names
[02:37] <snowice> it looks like the repositories are broken for kdar
[02:37] <rlj> Device Manager is fine too, but i think katapult should check the users PATH as well
[02:38] <rlj> well, that's one mystery solved...
[02:38] <rlj> still got the annoying cdrom0 mounted cd writer icon though with my empty drive..
[02:39] <pip> Jucato: do you know how to insatll beryl ?
[02:39] <Jucato> no
[02:39] <pip> ok
[02:40] <rlj> oh another thing, i seem to be having random instability in a lot of kde components, primarily when i end the kde session (shutdown) but also at other times
[02:40] <rlj> thinks like kdesktop and kicker crashing
[02:40] <rlj> segfaults i think. hasn't happened in a while now
[02:40] <ryanakca> in konqueror: smb://mshome/ , I see the host "big-den" (my windows computer). When I click on it, I get an error message saying "Could not connect to host for smb://big-den/". Yes, I have tried disabling the firewall on the windows box
[02:41] <Jucato> you seem to have a very sick system rlj...
[02:41] <rlj> Jucato: might be :)
[02:41] <rlj> Jucato: but i'll prolly live with it until feisty or if i install some other distro
[02:41] <rlj> Jucato: too many settings and files to transfer to bother atm
[02:41] <[-sara-] > I want to compile .cpp files on Kubuntu as live cd
[02:41] <rlj> if it works (mostly), i guess i'm happy
[02:41] <Jucato> [-sara-] : you would need to install build-essential
[02:42] <Jucato> but you'd have to do that everytime you boot into the Live CD
[02:42] <[-sara-] > ahhh I see
[02:42] <[-sara-] > is it time consuming?
[02:42] <Jucato> irritating :)
[02:43] <Jucato> even if you have a fast internet connection, you have to install it again and again
[02:43] <rlj> [-sara-] : depending on the speed of your internet access, since it will pull packages for gcc, make etc off the net. it will eat a bit more of your ram though since nothing is run from hard drive in the livecd session
[02:43] <rlj> [-sara-] : so all those packages will be downloaded and installed to the ramdisk
[02:44] <h3sp4wn> [-sara-] : Or use a decent live cd which includes basic tools like that (knoppix / kanotix / grml - that I know of are all good)
[02:45] <rlj> [-sara-] : i think the recent gentoo livecds even have a gui nowadays, if you fancy that kind of setup
[02:46] <h3sp4wn> grml is an excellent live cd (with stuff on it that is actually useful for a live cd) unlike openoffice who would ever run that from a live cd
[02:52] <Morrissey> Hi, when show my fglrxinfo, it shows. "OpenGL version string: 1.3.1091 (X4.3.0-8.28.8)", usually people  have version 2.00 ... glxgears work great, but since beryl etc doesnt work I recon I dont have the proper composite ... has that anything to do with this? In advance, thank you
[02:58] <h3sp4wn> You need to use xgl
[02:58] <SillyZ> gmorning
[02:59] <h3sp4wn> the kanotix fglrx script has been recently fixed to work with ubuntu so using that would guarantee a working fglrx or use the radeon driver if you can (with aiglx)
[03:00] <SillyZ> has anyone worked with odbc connectors and crossover office?
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> http://kanotix.com/files/install-fglrx-debian.sh (use the deb's but it is a script which does it right)
[03:03] <ubuntu> hello
[03:04] <ryanakca> in konqueror: smb://mshome/ , I see the host "big-den" (my windows computer). When I click on it, I get an error message saying "Could not connect to host for smb://big-den/". Yes, I have tried disabling the firewall on the windows box
[03:04] <SillyZ> ok how about intel dou core processors, which kernel should I run for max performance?? smp? smp_x64? smp_x32?
[03:05] <SillyZ> ryanakca: are any of the drives shared on 'big-den' ? ie: \\big-den\c
[03:05] <h3sp4wn> If you have 4gb of ram or more use x64 otherwise it won't make much different just use -generic
[03:06] <Xal2> Is there a way to make the kubuntu CD directory structure like that of knoppix, where everything resides in the /knoppix folder?
[03:06] <SillyZ> h3sp4wn: Ill have 1gb ram in the box
[03:07] <SillyZ> h3sp4wn: its an intel duo core 1.8ghz w/ 2mb cache
[03:07] <h3sp4wn> SillyZ: Core 2 duo ? or just Core duo ?
[03:08] <SillyZ> Core 2 duo
[03:08] <h3sp4wn> Won't make a vast amount of difference
[03:09] <SillyZ> sorry my bad its a Core DuoProcessor, model T2250
[03:09] <h3sp4wn> Well you can't run x64 unless its a core 2
[03:09] <SillyZ> k
[03:09] <h3sp4wn> and the -generic kernel supports smp
[03:10] <SillyZ> well damn, the dude at delll told me it was a 2 x 64 bit processor, not a 2 x 32
[03:10] <Xal2> Haha, the dude at Dell
[03:10] <SillyZ> dude im gettin a dell...... puff
[03:10] <SillyZ> rofl
[03:11] <h3sp4wn> The original core duo's are not 64 bit - doesn't make much difference either way but x64 is more interesting
[03:11] <SillyZ> aye
[03:11] <SillyZ> I was under the understanding it was 2 x 64bit processors , not 2 x 32, but eitherway Ill just to *sigh* live with it heheh
[03:11] <h3sp4wn> 64 bit is only really useful for > 4gb ram
[03:12] <SillyZ> aye, and not many apps will take advantage of a 64 bit arch anyway
[03:13] <mc__> h3sp4wn: that is not true
[03:13] <h3sp4wn> mc__: What else is it useful for ?
[03:13] <mc__> h3sp4wn: if the programm is optimized 64bit can give a performance gain up to 30%
[03:14] <h3sp4wn> mc__: Most desktop applications are not
[03:14] <mc__> h3sp4wn: thats true
[03:14] <nanomike> Postfix SASL is it possible?!? I've followed a lot of guides but i can't get it to work.
[03:15] <SillyZ> now if  I can get office2k3 to run under cxoffice, ill be one happy camper
[03:15] <h3sp4wn> mc__: If he had said xeon or opteron my response would have been different
[03:15] <SillyZ> anyone know about the odbc connectors under cxoffice?
[03:15] <eilker> when i am in grub> console, do we have chance to view directories ?
[03:15] <Xal2> <3 OO.org
[03:15] <Xal2> What do you need MS Office for?
[03:15] <SillyZ> mainly access, but I know theres kexi but it just isnt 'there' yet
[03:16] <h3sp4wn> MS Office is better than 00.org (they are both horrible though)
[03:16] <SillyZ> agreeable and disagreeable to a point on either side of that fence
[03:16] <Xal2> For the average user, which most are when it comes to office applications, OO does just fine.
[03:17] <Xal2> Most people don't use the advanced features of MS Office. I just can't justify the high price.
[03:17] <SillyZ> me either who needs over 1400 'options'
[03:17] <Quinn_Storm> beryl;
[03:18] <eilker> find /boot/grub/splashimages/*.xpm.gz    ??
[03:21] <ryanakca> SillyZ: yes
[03:22] <ryanakca> SillyZ: It worked untill a couple of weeks ago... I need to be able to access big-den so that in turn I can use my printer
[03:23] <SillyZ> is the printer still shared? has the sharename of the printer changed?
[03:24] <SillyZ> have you installed any firewalling software upon the linux box ?
[03:24] <SillyZ> imho, id delete the share on the printer, recreate it and try to reconnect to it from linux
[03:24] <ryanakca> SillyZ: yes, no, no
[03:24] <ryanakca> done that...
[03:25] <ryanakca> I can't access anything on smb://big-den/
[03:25] <SillyZ> um...
[03:25] <ryanakca> I need to be able to access the host first, and then I can worry about the printer
[03:25] <SillyZ> it should be smb:\\ not //
[03:25] <ryanakca> setting up the printer is easy...
[03:25] <SillyZ> if your using / insteaad of \   thats 99% of the problem
[03:26] <ryanakca> umm... no
[03:26] <ryanakca> it's supposed to be smb://, at least according to konqueror...
[03:26] <Morrissey> The following packages have unmet dependencies:  compiz: Depends: compiz-plugins (>= 0.2) but it is not going to be installed
[03:26] <Morrissey> what can I do?
[03:26] <SillyZ> Im sitting right here with my 'desktop' machine , named 'desktop' and smb:// dont work... its smb:\\ trust me
[03:27] <ryanakca> Morrissey: install the dependency?
[03:27] <Morrissey> ryanakca, Ive tried
[03:27] <SillyZ> windows shares have always used the backslash not the forward slash
[03:27] <Morrissey>   compiz-plugins: Depends: csm (>= 0.5) but it is not installable
[03:27] <Morrissey> E: Package csm has no installation candidate
[03:27] <Morrissey> there we go :)
[03:27] <wedgeV> the list of available keyboard layouts in Regional Settings -> Keyboard Layout is empty
[03:28] <wedgeV> edgy
[03:28] <ryanakca> Morrissey: then you might want to file a bug for konqueror. Open up konqueror, go to 'remote:/'. Click on samba shares.
[03:28] <MetaBookfoziS> hi!
[03:28] <MetaBookfoziS> is there again abroken package?
[03:28] <MetaBookfoziS> my konsole and krusader (that i see wants to use or load konsole) crashes anyitime i start
[03:29] <Morrissey> ryanakca, ive seen many people do it this way on the web though
[03:29] <MetaBookfoziS> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33678/
[03:29] <MetaBookfoziS> this is the error when i starts krusader
[03:30] <ryanakca> meh, doesn't work here, "An error occurred while loading smb:\:           Timeout on server"
[03:30] <cryptom> Hi all, when compiling a kernel (linux-source package) I get the error: arch/um/include/kern_util.h:9:27: error: linux/threads.h: No such file or directory
[03:30] <cryptom> although I've installed the linux-headers package
[03:33] <ryanakca> Morrissey: part of the problem might be that winbindd isn't installed/running
[03:34] <Morrissey> ryanakca, what?
[03:34] <Morrissey> dont think so
[03:35] <Morrissey> ryanakca, whats your plan here?
[03:35] <Morrissey> either help or get lost
[03:35] <ryanakca> Morrissey: part of my samba problem might be that winbindd isn't installed/running
[03:36] <ryanakca> !about winbind
[03:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about about winbind - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:36] <Morrissey> ryanakca, sorry, I really think you got the wrong person ... Im trying to get compiz working
[03:36] <ryanakca> oops
[03:36] <ryanakca> sorry, I do
[03:37] <ryanakca> and SillyZ (the person who was helping me) has "disappeared"...
[03:37] <wedgeV> the keyboard layout list in "System Settings->Regional Settings->Keyboard Layout" is empty for me, how do i fix that?
[03:37] <ryanakca> the troubles of autocompletion, eh?
[03:38] <ryanakca> ubotu, tell Morrissey about xgl
[03:39] <ryanakca> hmm... odd...
[03:39] <ryanakca> Morrissey: for compiz and aiglx/xgl and beryl, go to #ubuntu-xgl :)
[03:39] <BluesKaj> Howdy all ! :)
[03:39] <ryanakca> lol, I forgot please
[03:39] <Morrissey> thanks ryanakca :)
[03:46] <BluesKaj> ryanakca, what exactly is beryl ? does it replace kde or is it eye candy window dressing
[03:46] <BluesKaj> ?
[03:46] <ryanakca> BluesKaj: it's super eye candy... uses GL... really cool
[03:46] <ryanakca> but you need good hardware...
[03:46] <ryanakca> well... kindof good hardware
[03:47] <ryanakca> it replaces kwin (kde window decorations)...
[03:47] <Vegeta^> When I play a video file, there is now sound? It's not because of lack of codec, since I had sound before. And I can hear system notification sounds. What is the problem then?
[03:47] <ryanakca> you might want to look into it
[03:47] <BluesKaj> ryan I'm having trouble with GL , it screws up in the Google earth GUI
[03:47] <ryanakca> ubotu, please tell BluesKaj about xgl
[03:47] <ryanakca> !xgl > BluesKaj
[03:48] <ryanakca> wierd...
[03:48] <Devil_Kin> hey folks.. is there any way i can use a kubuntu cd and just get to a prompt? I need to re-install lilo, but I just can't get it NOT to boot X
[03:48] <ryanakca> can you run glxgears?
[03:48] <ryanakca> Devil_Kin: go ctrl-alt-f1
[03:48] <BluesKaj> dunno
[03:48] <Devil_Kin> ryanakca: it fails horribly at initialising X and ergo my system hangs, so that's not really an option
[03:48] <ryanakca> Devil_Kin: kill X from there... and iirc, kubuntu uses grub
[03:49] <Devil_Kin> ryanakca: yah, i just need a 64-bit boot cd :p
[03:49] <ryanakca> Devil_Kin: at the bootup screen, is there an option for no X... I haven't used the cd in a while...
[03:49] <ryanakca> BluesKaj: try?
[03:50] <Devil_Kin> nope, but anyway, i got it to bootup without hanging, thx anyway, gonna fix my lilo now ;)
[03:50] <BluesKaj> ryanakca, looking
[03:50] <ryanakca> BluesKaj: in konsole, just type "glxgears"
[03:51] <BluesKaj> already using fglrx driver
[03:51] <ryanakca> ah...
[03:51] <ryanakca> !xgl
[03:51] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[03:51] <ryanakca> aiglx won't work for you then... if you're using fglrx...
[03:52] <ryanakca> beryl is a branch off of compiz... well, kindof...
[03:52] <BluesKaj> ryanakca, yup glxgears appears to work
[03:52] <nilesh> hello
[03:52] <ryanakca> in konqueror: smb://mshome/ , I see the host "big-den" (my windows computer). When I click on it, I get an error message saying "Could not connect to host for smb://big-den/". Yes, I have tried disabling the firewall on the windows box.
[03:53] <ryanakca> BluesKaj: good, is it choppy? or smooth?
[03:53] <ryanakca> BluesKaj: try fgl_glxgears
[03:54] <BluesKaj> ryanakca, it's choppyand this message appears Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:55] <ryanakca> that's normal, I believe...
[03:56] <Schalken> whats an .tat.xdelta file?
[03:56] <Schalken> tar*
[03:58] <Mlcloud> Someone have a link or tutorial on how to run and operate pppd?
[03:58] <Mlcloud> I can't even get started on this thing..
[03:58] <BluesKaj> ok  ryanakca ...I'm reading the eye cnady instructions :)
[03:59] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[03:59] <ryanakca> kk, see yah
[03:59] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: see you
[04:12] <radaid> hi
[04:13] <pip>  /join #minix
[04:15] <Angrataf> !ati
[04:15] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:15] <woofer> can i get some help please
[04:16] <fannagoganna> it's still turkey time huh?
[04:17] <fannagoganna> why not celebrate thanksgiving by watching the turkey ep of Aqua Teen Hunger Force?
[04:23] <DaSkreech> woofer: What do you need help with?
[04:23] <Mlcloud> I wouldn't mind a bit of help myself.
[04:23] <DaSkreech> !ask
[04:23] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:23] <Mlcloud> Nice advice.
[04:24] <Mlcloud> I can't get started at all in connecting to the internet through DSL
[04:24] <DaSkreech> Hi BluesKaj
[04:24] <Mlcloud> Some people say it automatically detects, other use PPPD
[04:24] <DaSkreech> Mlcloud: Do you get an ip address?
[04:24] <Mlcloud> but finding all the information is...
[04:24] <Mlcloud> through sudo ifconfig?
[04:24] <Mlcloud> only 127.0.0.1
[04:24] <DaSkreech> Mlcloud: Yes
[04:24] <Mlcloud> so nope.
[04:24] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[04:24] <DaSkreech> ok
[04:24] <DaSkreech> do a normal ifconfig
[04:25] <DaSkreech> do you have an eth0 or an eth1 ?
[04:25] <Mlcloud> Hm.. this'll be troublesome.
[04:25] <DaSkreech> How so?
[04:25] <Mlcloud> To do a normal ifconfig, i'd have to restart, boot into kubuntu;;
[04:25] <woofer> i am in ubuntu live disk right now but when i install it gets stuck at the hd select and i have a ex3 partation already made
[04:26] <Mlcloud> not to mention I have no idea what an eth0 or 1 is.
[04:26] <Mlcloud> google time
[04:26] <DaSkreech> Mlcloud: I'm guessing you don't have two computers?
[04:26] <BluesKaj> hi DaSkreech, ryanakca ...well no eye candy options that i can see , so far , but there is a an upgradeable compiz plugin , which will BREAK something if it upgrades in ADEPT
[04:26] <Mlcloud> Nope, which makes this a bit more difficult
[04:26] <DaSkreech> I see
[04:26] <Mlcloud> do you have any links for me to follow?
[04:27] <DaSkreech> Well want to explain how you get on the net in Windows?
[04:27] <DaSkreech> woofer: where does it stall?
[04:27] <ryanakca> in konqueror: smb://mshome/ , I see the host "big-den" (my windows computer). When I click on it, I get an error message saying "Could not connect to host for smb://big-den/". Yes, I have tried disabling the firewall on the windows box.
[04:27] <woofer> right before i have to select a partation
[04:27] <Mlcloud> Windows detects my connection automatically
[04:28] <BluesKaj> I have my login set to auto , so there are no XGL options ..is that a prob ?
[04:28] <DaSkreech> woofer: You are installing from the live cd?
[04:28] <woofer> yes i am
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Mlcloud: ok what kind of network card do you have?
[04:29] <ryanakca> what port does svn run on?
[04:29] <Mlcloud> Now, see, I think thats the problem.
[04:29] <DaSkreech> woofer: can you press Alt+Space and type qtparted and press enter ?
[04:30] <woofer> which prog
[04:30] <BluesKaj> oops , spoke too soon ...beryl seems to be in settings :)
[04:31] <woofer> alt+space opens the menu bar at top left but i cannot type
[04:32] <DaSkreech> woofer: qtparted
[04:32] <Mlcloud> Hmm... "Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet"
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Se if you can open the hard drive
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Mlcloud: Sounds innocuous enough
[04:33] <DaSkreech> do you know the system settings in Kubuntu?
[04:33] <Mlcloud> not sure what you mean by that.
[04:34] <Mlcloud> Kmenu->system settings?
[04:34] <DaSkreech> Yes
[04:34] <DaSkreech> there is a networking setting in there
[04:34] <Mlcloud> Yes.
[04:34] <Mlcloud> yep.
[04:34] <DaSkreech> I have a feeling that the network card is disabled by default
[04:34] <woofer> where d i type qtparted
[04:34] <woofer> do*
[04:34] <DaSkreech> if you enable it it should work
[04:34] <Mlcloud> Hmm... Where can I enable it?
[04:35] <DaSkreech> woofer: press Alt+F2 and type kdesu qtparted
[04:35] <Mlcloud> I need to find all this beforehand, so that I won't have to reset back and forth >.>
[04:35] <Angrataf> how can i test my color resolution? i think i haven't 24 Bit, but my xorg.conf says i have
[04:36] <woofer> no good says location does not exist
[04:36] <DaSkreech> Mlcloud: in System settings there is a networking section that has a Adminstrator mode at the bottom
[04:36] <Mlcloud> Yes.
[04:36] <DaSkreech> woofer: tell me about your hard drive setup
[04:36] <Mlcloud> (tech support must be a difficult job) Also, after I enable it
[04:36] <Mlcloud> what will happen?
[04:37] <Mlcloud> Will Kubuntu automatically detect, like windows does? Or do I have to do something after that?
[04:37] <woofer> its a 160 gig sata not sure of brand i have a ntfs / ex3 / swap partation setup
[04:37] <DaSkreech> Mlcloud: once you do that then you will have a list of your network cards. Click on the one you want ( you'll probably only have one) and click enable
[04:37] <DaSkreech> woofer: Maybe you might try the Kubuntu alternate install?
[04:37] <woofer> i have about teh same prob
[04:37] <DaSkreech> woofer: I've heard of issues with sata on the live
[04:38] <woofer> i have to selct a driver for disk
[04:38] <woofer> which i dont know which one to choose
[04:38] <DaSkreech> Mlcloud: By default it should be set to auto detect
[04:38] <Mlcloud> Okay, thats good to know.
[04:38] <Mlcloud> I'll be right back then.
[04:38] <woofer> yea but it doesent detect
[04:38] <DaSkreech>  there is a ... manage button I think that will allow you to chage it to dhcp if not
[04:38] <ryanakca> in konqueror: smb://mshome/ , I see the host "big-den" (my windows computer). When I click on it, I get an error message saying "Could not connect to host for smb://big-den/". Yes, I have tried disabling the firewall on the windows box.
[04:38] <Angrataf> how can i test my color resolution? i think i haven't 24 Bit, but my xorg.conf says i have
[04:39] <woofer> wow i been at it for 6 hours now lol and 7 cds
[04:41] <Angrataf> !screen resolution
[04:41] <ubotu> screen: a terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation. In component main, is optional. Version 4.0.2-4.1ubuntu5.6.10 (edgy), package size 570 kB, installed size 976 kB
[04:41] <Angrataf> !ati
[04:41] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:43] <icheyne> !resolution | Angrataf
[04:43] <ubotu> Angrataf: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:44] <DaSkreec1> woofer: hooray for power cuts
[04:45] <woofer> ?
[04:45] <woofer> man it was hard enough to get the live working on a ati
[04:45] <hellblade> hi. I want to post a suggestion about KDE usability. do you know where exactly it would be the right place? it's not specific to the kubuntu desktop but all of KDE4
[04:45] <woofer> and now this hard disk thing
[04:46] <Mlcloud> Blegh, couldnl't find the network card list.
 Mlcloud: in System settings there is a networking section that has a Adminstrator mode at the bottom
 Mlcloud: once you do that then you will have a list of your network cards. Click on the one you want ( you'll probably only have one) and click enable
[04:47] <Angrataf> aww, i've got a problem. how can i see mi color resolution (16 Bit, 24 Bit etc)
[04:48] <woofer> let me ask a question do i have to let unutbu format my disk or already have it ready
[04:48] <DaSkreec1> Mlcloud: What did you see in System settings?
[04:49] <DaSkreec1> woofer: No you don't
[04:49] <Mlcloud> Er, I just clicked the Network Settings
[04:49] <Mlcloud> and clicked Administrator mode
[04:49] <Mlcloud> typed in password
[04:49] <Mlcloud> and... couldn't find anything.
[04:49] <DaSkreec1> Mlcloud: right
[04:49] <woofer> let me start over again
[04:49] <woofer> lol
[04:49] <DaSkreec1> there was nothing there?
[04:49] <woofer> with an unformatted paretation
[04:49] <Mlcloud> Where was it supposed to be in?
[04:49] <woofer> partation
[04:49] <Mlcloud> Your instructions were a bit vague.
[04:49] <Mlcloud> partition.
[04:49] <DaSkreec1> I'm actually fixing a network now so I'm slightly distracted
[04:49] <Mlcloud> and you're helping two weirdos out
[04:49] <Mlcloud> I can't blame you ^^
[04:49] <DaSkreec1> That's my job :)
[04:50] <woofer> ubuntu is not human
[04:50] <woofer> lol
[04:50] <DaSkreec1> woofer: maybe it's sata which is not human ;-)
[04:50] <Mlcloud> I'm not sure where the network cards were supposed to be listed >.>
[04:50] <woofer> maybe
[04:50] <Mlcloud> i just flipped through everything and no list. I tried looking for something resembling a hardware manager
[04:50] <DaSkreec1> Mlcloud: there. Maybe there is some issue with the network card.
[04:51] <DaSkreec1> try google on the network card name and linux
[04:51] <Mlcloud> right.
[04:51] <DaSkreec1> Mlcloud: You could type lshw in the konsole to see if it turned up
[04:51] <Mlcloud> Konsole?
[04:51] <Mlcloud> er, teminal program thingy?
[04:51] <DaSkreec1> woofer: the alternate throws up at the same point?
[04:51] <DaSkreec1> Mlcloud: yes
[04:52] <Mlcloud> Heh, okay.
[04:52] <DaSkreec1> it gives a pretty verbose listing of all the hardware it recognizes
[04:52] <Mlcloud> okay.
[04:52] <DaSkreec1> Mlcloud: Maybe you could borrow someones laptop one night and make an appointment here so someone can help you
[04:52] <woofer> rrrr back to windows
[04:52] <DaSkreec1> woofer: did you see my last question?
[04:53] <Mlcloud> it is slightly troublesome without live support..
[04:53] <woofer> no
[04:53] <DaSkreec1> and lack of knowledge
[04:53] <woofer> in teh alt i have to select a driver
[04:53] <woofer> i have no idea which one
[04:53] <Mlcloud> Heh. Ouch
[04:53] <woofer> the*
[04:53] <DaSkreec1> what are your options?
[04:53] <woofer> there is so many
[04:53] <DaSkreec1> Mlcloud: meant with no mailce
[04:54] <woofer> i tried all the one starting with sata
[04:54] <DaSkreec1> woofer: are they organized?
[04:54] <DaSkreec1> ah right
[04:54] <DaSkreec1> can you give me an example of the selections
[04:54] <Mlcloud> I know. Ima try out lshw, and if the network card isn't recognized, Ima call it a day and go to sleep
[04:54] <Mlcloud> Thanks for all your help
[04:54] <DaSkreec1> Mlcloud: late where you are?
[04:54] <woofer> sata-max just a ex dont know if thats a real one
[04:54] <Mlcloud> nearing 1 am
[04:54] <DaSkreec1> then get some rest :)
[04:55] <Mlcloud> Lol, right after I try this.
[04:55] <DaSkreec1> woofer: who makes your drive?
[04:55] <woofer> lol i have to figure it out
[04:55] <woofer> i think its samsung
[04:55] <woofer> westren ot maxtor
[04:56] <woofer> i have to boot windows to see cause i am lazy to open the cpu up
[04:56] <DaSkreec1> That's three different manufacturers
[04:56] <DaSkreec1> woofer: type lshw on the konsole
[04:56] <DaSkreec1> see if it tells you
[04:57] <unclemike> ? how do i mnt a digital cam
[04:58] <DaSkreech> unclemike: It should mount as a storage device
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Look under /media
[04:59] <DaSkreech> woofer: Nothing?
[04:59] <woofer> no good
[04:59] <hellblade> unclemike, mount it like a usb stick
[04:59] <DaSkreech> woofer: can you give me the make of the Drive again?
[04:59] <DaSkreech>  it's a sata 160?
[05:00] <woofer> stat 160gb
[05:00] <unclemike> hellblade, how do i mnt it like a usb stick
[05:00] <hellblade> unclemike, or check in kcontrol>peripherals>digital camera
[05:00] <DaSkreech> woofer: how long have you had it?
[05:00] <woofer> 9 months
[05:00] <hellblade> I think it's plug and play
[05:00] <woofer> its new
[05:00] <woofer> hmm its dell so
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Oh it's a Dell?
[05:01] <woofer> i dont know if they use a certin brand
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Dell does strange things sometimes
[05:01] <DaSkreech> can you search for the dell model number on the forums and sata ?
[05:01] <DaSkreech> !forums
[05:01] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums.
[05:01] <woofer> let me try
[05:01] <DaSkreech> I have to go now I'll try and come back alter
[05:02] <DaSkreech> later
[05:03] <hellblade> unclemike, I have the follwing in /etc/fstab "/dev/sda1  /media/usb  auto  user,rw  0  0" and I mount it with 'mount /media/usb'
[05:05] <hellblade> unclemike, offcourse you must create /media/usb first as root (sudo mkdir /media/usb)
[05:05] <jerre> i wish to migrate form kde to xfce..if i do so will i have to all install the packages(like jdk,g++,gcc...) again
[05:06] <erno> u don't need
[05:06] <hellblade> jerre, no. you will only install the xfce packages plus their requirements
[05:06] <hellblade> * dependencies
[05:06] <BluesKaj> OK ryanakca, beryl is in settings , but when i run it I get frozen black pages ...have to do the 3 finger salute to get back to kde
[05:06] <Angrataf> !etx3
[05:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about etx3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:06] <Angrataf> !ext3
[05:06] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[05:07] <erno> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[05:07] <jerre> hellblade:i am using an old system..will xfce make my system work faster
[05:07] <ryanakca> ubotu, please tell BluesKaj about xgl
[05:07] <ryanakca> BluesKaj: no clue...ask in #ubuntu-xgl
[05:07] <erno> jerre: of course, as Xfce uses less memory, etc
[05:08] <hellblade> ryanakca, it depends... I think an optimized/cut-down version of KDE is faster
[05:08] <jerre> erno:thanks
[05:08] <ryanakca> hellblade: what?
[05:08] <hellblade> oops last msg was going to jerre :)
[05:09] <xwolf-> how do i change ttX's font settings?
[05:09] <xwolf-> ttyX i mean
[05:11] <dennister> good morning all
[05:12] <dennister> hope all americans had a happy turkey-day :)
[05:12] <erno> dennister: good evening from Oslo
[05:12] <dennister> Oslo...love all the nationalities here
[05:13] <erno> good, I am hungarian
[05:13] <erno> from in Norway
[05:13] <hellblade> jerre, also have a look at this: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/
[05:13] <Jucato> heh.. you guys are so far away :P
[05:13] <dennister> i'm surprised there's so much english spoken around the world...but then again, it is the defacto lingua-franca of the world
[05:14] <dennister> hey jucato :)
[05:14] <Jucato> hi dennister
[05:14] <dennister> on topic: still having problems writing the udev rules
[05:14] <xwolf-> how do i change ttyX's font settings? AND, what could be causing SIGSEGV in all kde programs i try to run
[05:15] <hyper_ch> anyone here very good at english?
[05:15] <erno> xwolf: right after your in KDE?
[05:15] <xwolf-> yeap
[05:15] <dennister> does anyone know how to do this properly, from scratch? i think i have to name the device first in 20-names
[05:16] <hyper_ch> Is it "a Ubuntu notebook" or "an Ubuntu notebook"? I think if you pronounce Ubuntu "Jubuntu" then it's "a Ubuntu notebook", isn't it?
[05:16] <xwolf-> i start a session and every program i start crashes.
[05:16] <erno> xwolf-did u try to login gnome/xfce?
[05:16] <dennister> <---is very good at english...my major at university
[05:16] <xwolf-> erno: i dont have any
[05:17] <xwolf-> and not enough space either.
[05:17] <dennister> hyper_ch: what do you want to know?
[05:17] <erno> xwolf: i see...
[05:17] <xwolf-> perhaps if i can delete the packages the major upgrade downloaded
[05:17] <Jucato> Ubuntu is pronounced as "oo-boon-too"
[05:17] <hyper_ch> dennister: Is it "a Ubuntu notebook" or "an Ubuntu notebook"? I think if you pronounce Ubuntu "Jubuntu" then it's "a Ubuntu notebook", isn't it?
[05:17] <erno> xwolf: what did u do last?
[05:17] <Jucato> so it's "an Ubuntu notebook"
[05:17] <xwolf-> erno: dapper->edgy upgrade :)
[05:17] <dennister> jucato's right
[05:18] <xwolf-> i'm deleting the package cache.
[05:18] <dennister> if non starts with a vowel, article is 'an'
[05:18] <alumno> hola frikis
[05:18] <alumno> xdxxdx
[05:18] <xwolf-> i really need to edit font settings for text-mode sessions
[05:18] <hyper_ch> thx dennister and Jucato
[05:18] <xwolf-> they're a mess.
[05:19] <alumno> hola frikis
[05:19] <alumno> jajaja
[05:19] <dennister> yw hyper_ch
[05:20] <erno> xwolf: reinstall-xubuntu Edgy :-)
[05:20] <dennister> back to udev rules: name the device in 20-names.rules first, right? anyone?
[05:21] <xwolf-> erno: xubunt?
[05:21] <xwolf-> still, reinstalling is not a good option. i dont have the edgy desktop cd :P
[05:22] <xwolf-> i probably need to reinstall kde-desktop.
[05:23] <xwolf-> but first i NEED to change the font settings. aptitude is really messy with all those special characters as margin
[05:26] <ubuntu> witam
[05:26] <ubuntu> jest tu ktos kto zna sie na ubuntu?
[05:27] <xwolf-> !pl
[05:27] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[05:27] <ubuntu> to forum
[05:27] <xwolf-> not pl.
[05:27] <xwolf-> :P
[05:27] <dennister> ubuntu: english pls
[05:27] <ubuntu> speak german
[05:27] <dennister> ty xwolf
[05:28] <dennister> !gr
[05:28] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr     /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[05:28] <dennister> and u'd better change ur nickname if ur in livecd mode
[05:28] <xwolf-> that's not german
[05:28] <momal> This isn't kubuntu related.. well it kinda is.. but my friends pc just doesn't start up we press the power button and then no fans start up but the power light flashes.. we try press keyboard buttons move mouse but nothing :(.. power is going to the mouse and keyboard and the power button but nothing else... Can anyone suggest a channel to get help in or help me here
[05:29] <dennister> no, it an east indian name i think
[05:29] <dennister> east indian lanugage i mean
[05:30] <dennister> or greek
[05:30] <ubuntu_> hi
[05:30] <ubuntu_> the new installer is sooo buggy
[05:30] <xwolf-> i'd say eastern european.
[05:30] <dennister> ok...i really don't pretend to know the short forms linux uses for different languages
[05:31] <ubuntu_> i want to make a root partition with xfs, and i seperatly created a boot partition in ext2 bit it shoulds
[05:31] <wimpies> does anybody know of a 5.2 php package ?
[05:31] <ubuntu_> that i have to create a boot partiton with xfs
[05:31] <ubuntu_> what to do
[05:31] <dennister> why xfs? for the boot partition? why ot ext3?
[05:32] <dennister> hi Dr_willis
[05:32] <Dr_willis> howdies
[05:32] <ubuntu_> for root i want to use xfs
[05:32] <ubuntu_> for boot ext2 in 64mbyte partition
[05:32] <dennister> Dr_willis: could u help me with udev rules?
[05:32] <Dr_willis> dennister,  not messed with them. read a few articals about them is all ive done.
[05:32] <dennister> pls? pretty pls? :)
[05:32] <dennister> ok...np
[05:33] <Dr_willis> and teaked the fstab to use LABEL=whatever instead of UUID=whatever
[05:33] <dennister> would you be able to help me with cdrecord?
[05:33] <ubuntu_> so what to do
[05:33] <Jucato> !uuid
[05:33] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid" (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[05:34] <Dr_willis> ubuntu_,  if that dead set on it.. use the live cd/gparted/whatever to partition/format the drives how you want then tell the instller where to mount the partitions, but dont let them format the drives. (i guess)
[05:34] <Dr_willis> dennister,  whats up with cdrecord? i tend to just use k3b 99.99999999% of the time. ;)
[05:35] <dennister> i mean i've got my fstab working with the cdrom, it was automatic, it plays, records, etc., with other programs
[05:35] <dennister> the problem is that i always get an error message in regard to cdrecord when i start mythfrontend from terminal
[05:35] <erno> xwolf: i looked arround on the Net...
[05:35] <erno> xwolf:
[05:35] <ubuntu_> creazy shit
[05:35] <Dr_willis> Not used MythTV in ages... it  always was a configuration nightmare
[05:36] <ubuntu_> if you naw can whatch on my screen
[05:36] <dennister> tell me about it...but i've got it 95% working...can't use other tvapps cause i've got an ivtv tuner
[05:37] <xwolf-> erno: yes?
[05:37] <ubuntu_> i hate it
[05:37] <erno> xwolf: have u try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86?
[05:38] <ubuntu_> my /boot is ext2!!! and the supid installer mean it is not
[05:38] <dennister> this is the error message: Using NV NPOT texture extensionFailed to run 'cdrecord --scanbus'Failed to run 'cdrecord --scanbus
[05:39] <xwolf-> erno: nope. i did try xserver-xorg but it said broken package. after i installed xserver-xorg again, i didnt dpkg-reconfigure
[05:39] <ubuntu_> shit setup!
[05:39] <xwolf-> erno: i did try *to reconfigure* xserver-xorg.
[05:40] <momal> This isn't kubuntu related.. well it kinda is.. but my friends pc just doesn't start up we press the power button and then no fans start up but the power light flashes.. we try press keyboard buttons move mouse but nothing :(.. power is going to the mouse and keyboard and the power button but nothing else... Can anyone suggest a channel to get help in or help me here
[05:40] <xwolf-> erno: well, i just installed kbd and the font problem is almost solved. it's workable now. my big problem now is kde's programs crashing
[05:41] <pip> hello
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> momal: no beeps or anything? try removing all the cards, ram and cpu and re-inserting.
[05:41] <erno> xwolf:u wanna handle now?
[05:41] <pip> any good ftp server to suggest ?
[05:41] <xwolf-> erno: pardom me?
[05:41] <dennister> hi LeeJunFan :) do u know how to write udev rules?
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> dennister: I have before, but I don't know that I'd say I know how. I did once a log time ago.
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> s/log/long
[05:42] <xwolf-> erno: i didnt understand your last message
[05:42] <dennister> ok...i'm just having real trouble with the udev documentation
[05:43] <dennister> way over my head
[05:43] <erno> do u want to handle immediatelly?
[05:43] <xwolf-> erno: handle what? font setting or kde crashes?
[05:43] <erno> xwolf: "my big problem now is kde's programs crashing"
[05:44] <xwolf-> right. yes, i would like to solve that.
[05:44] <momal> LeeJunFan: Tried that already.. as soon as the power cord in the back in put in the power button flashes rapidly keyboard/mouse light up and no fans start in the box no hds start of cpufan and nothing happens
[05:44] <xwolf-> erno: my next probable step is reinstalling kde from scratch. unless you have any other ideas?
[05:45] <erno>  xwolf: let me see
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> momal: possibly try swapping out the power supply with another machine. First you might try disconnecting everything from the mainboard except video and see if you at least get to bios (remove the sound if you can, ethernet, HD's, CD's, floppy, etc..)
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> momal: just unplug them.
[05:46] <erno>  xwolf: I would try first to make default config as the follow:
[05:46] <xwolf-> momal: quick check: CLEAR CMOS jumper.
[05:46] <erno>  xwolf: make bckp files in .kde *.conf
[05:47] <erno>  xwolf: then delet the original ones
[05:47] <erno> *delete*
[05:47] <xwolf-> you mean ~/.kde/*.conf
[05:47] <momal> LeeJunFan: Tried removing all power cables except ones on the motherboard and still no luck.... we don't have another machine here. he is on the phone to me from his house.... what does the cmos jumper look like and what to do with it ?
[05:47] <erno>  xwolf: yes
[05:47] <xwolf-> ok, in a sec.
[05:48] <xwolf-> well, .kde folder has no .conf files.
[05:48] <erno>  xwolf: after start if kde does not fin config files it will make them
[05:48] <DaSkreech> momal: #hardware
[05:48] <erno>  xwolf: one sec
[05:48] <LeeJunFan> momal: it's different for different mainboards, it's possible the jumper should be off, just connect to one pin, for normal operation.
[05:49] <LeeJunFan> momal: if the system has more than 1 ram stick, remove all but one, if that doesn't work remove that one and put another one in.
[05:49] <erno>  xwolf: i am looking
[05:49] <xwolf-> ok erno
[05:50] <erno>  xwolf: ok, how about to make a new user and try to log that in?
[05:50] <xwolf-> erno: good idea. adduser?
[05:50] <fibonacci> Is KUbuntu and Ubunto the exact same thing (except KDE/Gnome) ?
[05:50] <erno>  xwolf: yes, we can see if it is system error or not
[05:50] <xwolf-> fibonacci: and respective programs.
[05:50] <xwolf-> erno: ok, hang on.
[05:51] <fibonacci> So updates and releases are concurrent ?
[05:51] <momal> LeeJunFan: Still no luck :S
[05:51] <||arifaX> Hi, after a lot of playing with suspend and hibernate I miss the icon that shows the cpu-frequency in system tray. It also does not show in available panels. it was that simple symbol when mouseover showed the frquency of my dual core.
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> momal: is the switch on back of the power supply set for correct voltage? :)
[05:52] <pip> Hello,I have installed vsftp server ,but why can't I use it normally ?
[05:52] <pip> by default ,it can be used normally
[05:53] <momal> LeeJunFan: Yup it is
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> momal: hrm, well something seems fried, probably the power supply.
[05:54] <xwolf-> erno: well. created with adduser and then restarted kdm to login. after the configuration wizard, i tried to run konqueror and still got SIGSEGV
[05:54] <macconline> beryl in kubuntu, i have problem, in xorg.conf....
[05:54] <ohmbr> hi, i'm from brazil an i'm having problens with my kyboard configuration... i can't configure it to ABNT2... does some body can help me?
[05:54] <DaSkreech> fibonacci: yup
[05:55] <xwolf-> ohmbr: tas dentro do kde? vai no kcontrol
[05:55] <fibonacci> Thats great. And how well does KUbuntu take care of KDE ? Any gliches or so ?
[05:55] <DaSkreech> fibonacci: It's near a showcase cd for KDE
[05:55] <Jucato> fibonacci: you're not looking for a "discussion" again, are you? :)
[05:55] <ohmbr> xwolf-: ok... estou la...
[05:56] <momal> LeeJunFan: Hmm... any way we can test that?
[05:56] <fibonacci> Hahhaha, no no, nothing like that. Just shopping around for new distro, little bit tired of SuSE :)
[05:56] <Jucato> fibonacci: Kubuntu customizes a lot, which some hardcore KDE fans hate :)
[05:56] <erno>  xwolf: i understood
[05:56] <xwolf-> ohmbr: bom, agora eh so procurar
[05:56] <Quinn_Storm> please get as far away from novell as you can, you'll be happier, fibonacci
[05:56] <fibonacci> Like how do you mean with customizes ? Things like ?
[05:56] <xwolf-> erno: so it's a system problem.
[05:57] <erno>  xwolf: right
[05:57] <xwolf-> fibonacci: probably like kubuntu-exclusive themes for certain programs.
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> momal: you'd either have to swap out another PS or get a tester for power supplies.
[05:57] <fibonacci> xwolf-: aha, but couldn't I change that back to KDE standards ?
[05:58] <DaSkreech> fibonacci: The menu for one
[05:58] <xwolf-> erno: and next logical step would be reinstallation? i really have no idea how to fix that kind of problem.
[05:58] <Jucato> fibonacci: in Edgy Eft (Kubuntu 6.10): media:/ changed to /media, hidden root folders, Konqueror Menus and Profiles
[05:58] <xwolf-> fibonacci: you probably could.
[05:58] <DaSkreech> fibonacci: Yeah just apt-get install kde instead of kubuntu-desktop
[05:58] <DaSkreech> the system settings
[05:58] <ohmbr> xwolf-: eu ja configurei o item Regional & Acessibilidade...
[05:58] <Jucato> oh yeah, System Settings
[05:58] <ohmbr> xwolf-: mas continua na mesma..
[05:59] <xwolf-> ohmbr: hm. 'na mesma' quer dizer teclado defaul?
[05:59] <xwolf-> *default.
[05:59] <fibonacci> Jucato: Well the root folders wouldn't be hidden to the root user presumably :)
[05:59] <LeeJunFan> most of the customizations/bastardizations can be undone by remove kubuntu-default-settings.
[05:59] <erno> xwolf: try that but use 'dpgk-remove'
[05:59] <Jucato> fibonacci: oh, Kubuntu has no root user enabled by default
[05:59] <DaSkreech> Jucato: it just occured to me that a lot of the Kubuntu stuff doesn't get accolades in the wider community
[05:59] <Jucato> !sudo | fibonacci
[05:59] <ubotu> fibonacci: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:59] <DaSkreech> Not like kickoff at least
[05:59] <erno> xwolf: on konqueror too
[06:00] <Jucato> DaSkreech: well, some are not as publicized
[06:00] <DaSkreech> Good point
[06:00] <Jucato> the /media change did get a few accolades
[06:00] <DaSkreech> Yes that is a good point
[06:00] <Jucato> hidden-root got a few rotten tomatoes :)
[06:00] <xwolf-> erno: uhm. i should remove kubuntu-desktop package with dpkg-remove, right?
[06:00] <LeeJunFan> yeah, /media is going away in kde4 I think too - they wised up on that.
[06:00] <LeeJunFan> media:/ that is
[06:01] <Jucato> xwolf-: apt-get remove
[06:01] <erno> xwolf: Jucato is right, sorry
[06:01] <xwolf-> i have a slight impression that removing kubuntu-desktop will just remove a dummy package...
[06:02] <fibonacci> Sorry to be chatty, but is KUbuntu very bloated (I feel SuSE is).
[06:02] <ohmbr> xwolf-: ento, no modelo do teclado coloquei ABNT2 Brasileiro... eno comando esta assim ... setxkbmap -model abnt2 -layout us,br -variant ,nodeadkeys
[06:02] <DaSkreech> fibonacci: it fits on one CD
[06:02] <Jucato> fibonacci: it fits on 1 CD
[06:02] <Jucato> lol
[06:02] <DaSkreech> lol
[06:02] <Jucato> :P
[06:02] <fibonacci> Wow, that's great (Is there an echo in here?)
[06:02] <Jucato> great minds think alike :)
[06:02] <DaSkreech> d:
[06:02] <xwolf-> ohmbr: ali onde tem '-layout us,br' coloca so '-layout br'
[06:02] <fibonacci> Ah, this is so true.
[06:03] <DaSkreech> heehee
[06:03] <DaSkreech> We should hang out more :)
[06:03] <Jucato> fibonacci: the problem, though, with the 1 CD thing, is that you'd need a good internet connection to get other stuff if you're not satisfied with the defaults
[06:03] <xwolf-> erno Jucato great! apt just said kubuntu-desktop is NOT installed
[06:04] <fibonacci> Again, sorry for asking all these questions, but I am a Java programmer, (or I would like to be :{) ) , and I am trying different DB's and Application Servers, any thoughts about KUbuntus support for these things ?
[06:04] <erno> xwolf: coooolll...
[06:04] <ohmbr> xwolf-: ok, esta assim agoroa... setxkbmap -model abnt2 -layout br, ainda est na mesma...
[06:04] <DaSkreech> !java
[06:04] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[06:04] <xwolf-> ohmbr: mandaste aplicar e tudo mais?
[06:04] <ohmbr> xwolf-: todas as teclas tem acento...  ...
[06:04] <erno> xwolf: then istall it
[06:04] <LjL> !pt | xwolf-
[06:04] <ubotu> xwolf-: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[06:04] <Jucato> xwolf-: what are you trying to do btw?
[06:05] <DaSkreech> nalioth: Hiya
[06:05] <fibonacci> Ok, obviously the internet thing comes into play. But say that I only want a standard desktop (such as Kontact, a text editor, Amarok ... basics), would the one cd do this for me.
[06:05] <ohmbr> xwolf-: sim.. mandei acplicar sim.... estou em uma estao remota utilizando ltsp...
[06:06] <xwolf-> Jucato: every kde program crashes when i try to run it
[06:06] <xwolf-> konqueror, adept, konversation, and the list keeps growing
[06:06] <xwolf-> LjL: grazzie.
[06:06] <ohmbr> xwolf-: ser que pode ser alguma configurao do ltsp?
[06:06] <fibonacci> Since all my other apps wouldn't be distributed with linux anyway (Oracle DB , J2EE containers).
[06:06] <Jucato> fibonacci: yes. it has those apps
[06:06] <xwolf-> ohmbr: entao sinceramente nao sei cara. talvez pode ser o ltsp, talvez nao. da uma olhada com pessoal, em ingles aqui
[06:06] <xwolf-> ou la no #ubuntu-br
[06:07] <ohmbr> xwolf-: valeu... vou tentar no canal ltsp... valeu..
[06:07] <fibonacci> Fantastic. By the way, one thing I absolutely hate about SuSE is that when installing from scratch, it includes VNC and SSH packages and Services, which I never use, and I hate having all these services running and taking resources, when I never use them.
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Jucato: can I pull just the man page for an application?
[06:07] <Jucato> DaSkreech: what do you mean?
[06:08] <DaSkreech> fibonacci: Kubuntu ships with a no ports open policy
[06:08] <norbert> When I unplug the charger, the power manager correctly detects the change but it dims my screen brightness. I found the slider under the power manager applet and moved it to 100% just like "Mains powered" -> problem is it is still a little dimmer than w/ standard power. Suggestions?
[06:08] <xwolf-> fibonacci: i thought you could disable them :P
[06:08] <fibonacci> DaSkreech: That's the best news I heard all day.
[06:08] <DaSkreech> Well I need to write a manual for a program i installed on a server and it would be halpful if I could have the man pag here :)
[06:08] <fibonacci> xwolf-: I'm fully aware of that, but it bothers me anyway.
[06:08] <xwolf-> fibonacci: nah. nothing's perfect hehe
[06:09] <DaSkreech> Jucato: never mind seems they have it online
[06:09] <fibonacci> It's just that does everyone really need all those services ?
[06:09] <fibonacci> Think I will pick up a copy of KUbuntu tomorrow, I'm sold :)
[06:09] <Quinn_Storm> shipit.ubuntu.com I think
[06:10] <xwolf-> it would indeed be a better idea to leave ssh and vnc as optional
[06:10] <erno> xwolf: I gotta go, good luck
[06:10] <xwolf-> erno: thanks a lot
[06:10] <Jucato> shipit only ships Dapper currently
[06:10] <Quinn_Storm> oh? not edgy?
[06:10] <Quinn_Storm> I thought they just started
[06:10] <Quinn_Storm> I know there were edgy discs at UDS
[06:10] <Jucato> nope
[06:10] <erno> xwolf: your welcome, ciao
[06:11] <Jucato> ssh isn't installed by default, afaik
[06:11] <xwolf-> erno: just give Jucato a high five and he'll continue from where you stopped ;P
[06:11] <fibonacci> Is there any app for KDE that takes care of video as good as Amarok does music ?
[06:11] <xwolf-> Jucato: in suse, he says.
[06:11] <Quinn_Storm> ah I see, odd...
[06:11] <Jucato> xwolf-: lol, I'm about to go to sleep in a few :)
[06:11] <fibonacci> btw, Could I install Ubuntu, and then dl KDE and install ?
[06:11] <Jucato> Quinn_Storm: it's because Dapper isLTS, and they don't want to ship 2 releases. so Dapper gets a higher priority. that's afaik
[06:12] <xwolf-> it's 14:15 here. no sleeping for some hours.
[06:12] <Jucato> fibonacci: yes, but that would be troublesome
[06:12] <Quinn_Storm> also edgy is intended to be more...broken out of the box than dapper
[06:12] <fibonacci> Jucato: Enough said :{)
[06:12] <Jucato> xwolf-: it's 1:00 AM here :)
[06:12] <xwolf-> wow.
[06:12] <xwolf-> where are you from? russia?
[06:12] <Jucato> lol. further east
[06:13] <fibonacci> I've got 04:13 am here :)
[06:13] <mirshafie> fibonacci: it's better to get kubuntu directly, but you can get ubuntu and then install the kubuntu-desktop metapackage (and uninstall ubuntu-desktop)
[06:13] <sirmis> 7.13 pm here :D
[06:13] <xwolf-> and i thought gmt-3 was already far enough...
[06:13] <Jucato> fibonacci: nz or au?
[06:13] <fibonacci> au :)
[06:13] <Jucato> hah! :)
[06:13] <fibonacci> nz ?
[06:13] <dr0fnax> where can I change font size in beryl?
[06:13] <Jucato> dang! I had sydney on my clock aftera ll
[06:13] <Jucato> fibonacci: new zealand
[06:14] <xwolf-> of course! that's almost 12 hours. stupid me
[06:14] <sirmis> brb
[06:14] <fibonacci> Jucato: I know, I was wondering if you were from nz :)
[06:14] <Jucato> ah no :)
[06:14] <xwolf-> who guessed russia btw? ><
[06:14] <Jucato> ph :)
[06:15] <fibonacci> Is there any app for KDE that takes care of video as good as Amarok does music ?
[06:15] <fannagoganna> kaffeine is the best
[06:15] <Jucato> Kaffeine?
[06:15] <fannagoganna> but it's nowhere near as good for video as amarok is for music :)
[06:15] <xwolf-> true.
[06:16] <Quinn_Storm> I like kmplayer
[06:16] <Quinn_Storm> kaffeine is crashy IMHO
[06:16] <fannagoganna> but then again, in my opinion amarok is years ahead of the competition
[06:16] <Jucato> but it's enough for my needs... except for that occasional .mkv file that I couldn't play
[06:16] <fibonacci> hmmm... yeah I have fooled around a bit with Kaffeine, but Its not really as great as Amarok. By the way, what do I need to install to get Kaffeine to play iso's and img files ?
[06:16] <Quinn_Storm> amaroK is just perfect
[06:16] <fannagoganna> ANY competition
[06:16] <Quinn_Storm> I used to be an iTunes fan back when it came out...amaroK is just so much better
[06:16] <Jucato> Quinn_Storm: they started spelling it as Amarok a while back :)
[06:17] <Quinn_Storm> I'll always call it amaroK
[06:17] <Jucato> Quinn_Storm: yeah, it looks better  :)
[06:17] <Jucato> I'm one of the krazy ones who likes the K's
[06:17] <fibonacci> kmplayer aint to shabby, but I wish it did integrate in Konqueror better, then It would be really great.
[06:18] <xwolf-> damn kde
[06:18] <fibonacci> And it does really impress the ladies when I start up an avi from a terminal window, and all those numbers come flasshing!
[06:18] <xwolf-> and i did say removing kubuntu-desktop would just be a dummy package deleting..
[06:18] <xwolf-> 41kbytes is what i'm gonna get.
[06:19] <norbert> *bump* on the dimness question? Found a /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/powermanage.py -> but would prefer not to change the default values (not even sure if it would fix it)
[06:20] <fibonacci> Is there anyway of getting Fallout Tactics to run under Linux, I bloddy love that game.
[06:20] <xwolf-> cedega? winex?
[06:20] <fibonacci> bloody..
[06:21] <fibonacci> I've never tried any of those MS simulators, do they really work ?
[06:21] <blackflag> which command can I use to find out which version of linux I have?
[06:21] <fibonacci> kernel -version
[06:21] <xwolf-> i managed to install jedi academy a few months ago
[06:21] <xwolf-> it worked peachy, yeah.
[06:21] <Jucato> blackflag: what do you mean? kernel version? Ubuntu version? kde version?
[06:21] <blackflag> no generally linux
[06:21] <xwolf-> uname -r?
[06:21] <Jucato> "uname -r" - kernel version; "lsb_release -a" - Ubuntu version;
[06:22] <fibonacci> blackflag: kernerlversion
[06:22] <Jucato> blackflag: there is no "generally linux" version
[06:22] <blackflag> you are new at the firm and you have to find out which kind of linux you have
[06:22] <xwolf-> well, gotta go
[06:22] <Jucato> you either mean the Linux kernel or the distribution's version
[06:22] <xwolf-> cya everybody.
[06:22] <DaSkreech> norbert: You want the screen to not dim?
[06:22] <Jucato> bye xwolf-
[06:22] <fibonacci> cya xwolf-
[06:22] <norbert> DaSkreech: yes
[06:22] <blackflag> somthinglike Im kubuntu 6.10 or sles 10.2
[06:23] <Jucato> blackflag: that's the distribution's version
[06:23] <Jucato> "lsb_release -a"
[06:23] <Jucato> type that in Konsole
[06:23] <blackflag> ahh, soory correct ;)
[06:23] <norbert> DaSkreech: in the applet, I moved both sliders to 100%, but it is still dimmer on battery than main
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Hmm not sure
[06:23] <DaSkreech> !powermanger
[06:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about powermanger - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:23] <DaSkreech> !power
[06:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about power - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:23] <fibonacci> How cool is Yakuake ?
[06:23] <Jucato> ok, time for me to hit the sack...
[06:23] <Jucato> it's kool
[06:24] <Jucato> very kool
[06:24] <fibonacci> haha
[06:24] <fibonacci> kool, your such a sucker...
[06:24] <DaSkreech> It's sukka
[06:24] <blackflag> thanks!!! :)
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Jucato: isn't there a factoid for guidance ?
[06:24] <Jucato> what about guidance?
[06:25] <vikas> i finally got it installed
[06:25] <DaSkreech> does ubotu have a factiod for it?
[06:25] <Jucato> !kde-guidance
[06:25] <DaSkreech> norbert: needs some help
[06:25] <ubotu> kde-guidance: collection of KDE system administration tools for GNU/Linux. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7.0-0ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 952 kB, installed size 3812 kB
[06:25] <Jucato> that one?
[06:26] <DaSkreech> The power manger?
[06:26] <Jucato> !kde-guidance-powermanager
[06:26] <ubotu> kde-guidance-powermanager: HAL based Power Manager Applet. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7.0-0ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 96 kB, installed size 308 kB
[06:26] <Jucato> no other factoid that I know of
[06:27] <DaSkreech> norbert wants the screen to stay as bright when plugged in as when on battery
[06:27] <DaSkreech> can it do that?
[06:27] <LjL> !kde-guidance
[06:27] <ubotu> kde-guidance: collection of KDE system administration tools for GNU/Linux. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7.0-0ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 952 kB, installed size 3812 kB
[06:27] <LjL> neither is a factoid anyway ;)
[06:27] <Jucato> oh well :)
[06:27] <norbert> found this - https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuPowerManagementFeedback - but nothing about dimness problems
[06:28] <LeeJunFan> norbert: you have to edit the file in /etc/powersave, but if it's handled by your BIOS I think you're SOL.
[06:28] <fibonacci> I just had a look at kubutus website. They say that I can get the same effect if I install Ubuntu and then KDE, is that really the entire truth?
[06:28] <mc__> fibonacci: it is
[06:28] <Jucato> fibonacci: didn't you ask that already :)
[06:28] <Jucato> fibonacci: except that it's more troublesome because you download stuff again, and you have 2x the apps
[06:28] <LeeJunFan> norbert: on my sager there's nothing I can do becasuse even if I'm sitting at grub screen and unplug my screen dims, ie. it's handled by the bios.
[06:29] <Jucato> anyway, need to sleep now.... good night!!! :)
[06:29] <norbert> LeeJunFan: no, pretty sure its not a bios thing - previous setups were fine
[06:30] <norbert> LeeJunFan: I don't have an /etc/powersave
[06:31] <norbert> just /etc/power event.d/   scripts.d/  (not much mention about screen dimness)
[06:32] <loz> hello
[06:32] <loz> can anyone tell me how to kill tmy cd rom ?
[06:32] <LeeJunFan> norbert: ah, I've got powersaved installed, and use kpowersave, many more features.
[06:32] <DaSkreech> fibonacci: If you have the alternate install you can do a server install and then install kubuntu and you don't get the 2x apps
[06:33] <DaSkreech> loz: With a candlestick in the library
[06:33] <CPUFreak91> Hi. I'm trying to get the ati drivers working for my Radeon 9600XT but fglrxinfo tells me I'm using Mesa drivers
[06:33] <norbert> LeeJunFan: ah. what is this default app called? I have no problem removing it for kpowersave
[06:33] <LeeJunFan> norbert: then you can edit /etc/powersave/scheme_powersave and set the screen dim with DISPLAY_BRIGHTNESS="med"
[06:33] <CPUFreak91> I've followed all the trouble shooting instructions on the Ubuntu ATI binary drivers wiki page
[06:33] <jarek> CPUFreak91 check xorg.conf
[06:33] <CPUFreak91> but nothing helps
[06:33] <loz> i ve tried burning a dvd, and my dvd drive wont respond, and i  having a spass atack, anybody, pleqse?
[06:34] <LeeJunFan> norbert: I think if you installed kpowersaved it will remove the old one.
[06:34] <norbert> LeeJunFan: ok, will try that. thanks :)
[06:34] <h3sp4wn> kpowersave is just a front end to powersave
[06:34] <h3sp4wn> !kpowersave
[06:34] <ubotu> kpowersave: frontend to powersave for setting user specific policies. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.2-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 3216 kB, installed size 4984 kB
[06:34] <CPUFreak91> jarek: check what? I ran aticonfig (as instructed on the wiki).
[06:35] <LeeJunFan> norbert: yeah, it's kpowersave not kpowersaved, sry
[06:35] <loz> DaSkreech, i ve tried the candle, but to no avail, any comand line handy like killall-9 dev, or something in that manner?
[06:35] <jarek> check if you have the right modules loaded
[06:35] <loz> i can t stop it
[06:36] <loz> it wont eject
[06:37] <deviatio> co je to za irc?
[06:37] <Amigo> test
[06:37] <LjL> Amigo: successfull
[06:37] <fibonacci> testing... :)
[06:38] <Amigo> Hi ppl! I just now install KU!
[06:38] <fibonacci> WOOOHOOO !
[06:38] <Amigo> It's .... It's.... COOOLL :)
[06:39] <fibonacci> No, its KOOOL.
[06:39] <Amigo> She (he) install to my PC without any problem!!!
[06:40] <Amigo> Ehheaaa KOOL :)
[06:40] <fibonacci> Well that's great.
[06:41] <fibonacci> Does KUbuntu install with i386, i586,i686 Kernel as default ?
[06:42] <celer330d> w32codec's
[06:42] <Amigo> I receive KU 6.06 with i386 & x86_64. But I install i386 :)
[06:43] <Amigo> Now I update localization.
[06:44] <Amigo> w32codec's? I have all music and home video in ogg format :)
[06:46] <norbert> LeeJunFan: hmm; guess I will go check the bios, just in case..
[06:49] <icheyne> fibonacci, there is a generic kernel
[06:50] <icheyne> !generic | fibonacci
[06:50] <ubotu> fibonacci: Background to the decision to replace -386, -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html
[06:55] <Xubuntian> hello, do you know any way of getting notifications about dmesg new messages in a notification-popup automatically?
[06:55] <Xubuntian> displayed*
[06:58] <DaSkreech> dcop maybe?
[06:59] <Xubuntian> DaSkreech: how?
[06:59] <Xubuntian> dcop afaik works only on active processes that support dcop
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Hmm good point
[07:00] <h3sp4wn> Just setup syslog to log to a console
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Xubuntian: Though you could write a simple process that monitors teh dmesg log and sends a dbus signal
[07:01] <Xubuntian> a dbus signal to what?
[07:01] <guiden> What's the command to list every channel in the ubuntu irc server?
[07:01] <h3sp4wn> use xconsole
[07:01] <h3sp4wn> !xconsole
[07:01] <ubotu> xconsole: X client - xconsole. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 80 kB
[07:02] <guiden> !cedega
[07:02] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[07:02] <eilker> !mount
[07:02] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[07:02] <DaSkreech> guiden: try /list
[07:03] <dragonfly7>  Hey anyone: Does it make sense that a video played in full screen uses the graphics card, but if it is played in a window it does not?
[07:05] <sirmis> kopete sucks .. :S
[07:05] <sirmis> but no can do
[07:06] <will_> hi
[07:07] <will_> can someone help please?
[07:07] <dragonfly7> Anyone at all: Does it make sense that a video played in full screen uses the graphics card, but if it is played in a window it does not? Nobody knows? The problem is that if I use my graphics card, it overheats and crashes the computer. If I uninstalled the drivers would I be able to watch videos full screen?
[07:07] <dragonfly7> will_: What do you need?
[07:08] <sirmis> dragonfly7: seems that opengl works fine :)
[07:08] <will_> how do you install a program that is a source codes?
[07:08] <sirmis> ./configure && make && make install
[07:09] <sirmis> man apt-get
[07:09] <will_> i will try that, thank you
[07:09] <dragonfly7> sirmis: But OpenGL does not work for me, since my graphics card overheats. Do you know how I can stop the computer from using the nvidia drivers? Can I just edit something in xorg.conf?
[07:10] <DaSkreech> will_: Which program?
[07:10] <will_> it is a program called zsnes
[07:11] <DaSkreech> !zsnes
[07:11] <ubotu> zsnes: Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.420-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 513 kB, installed size 3232 kB (Only available for i386)
[07:11] <DaSkreech> will_: You can apt-get it
[07:11] <sirmis> dragonfly7: man xorg
[07:11] <will_> apt-get?
[07:11] <DaSkreech> !apt > will
[07:11] <DaSkreech> !apt > will_
[07:12] <DaSkreech> !adept > will_
[07:13] <will_> thanks
[07:14] <sirmis> HOWTO: Latest NVIDIA drivers - Ubuntu Forums
[07:14] <sirmis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75074
[07:14] <guiden> Does anyone use direct connect? If so, which is the best klient written in qt?
[07:14] <sirmis> that may solve your problems
[07:14] <guiden> !dc
[07:14] <ubotu> dc: The GNU dc arbitrary precision reverse-polish calculator. In component main, is optional. Version 1.06-19ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 56 kB, installed size 200 kB
[07:14] <will_> do you need firewalls and virus stuff?
[07:14] <sirmis> but that's just wui
[07:15] <sirmis> wrong window .. sorry
[07:15] <tony_> can someone tell me exactly how to install packages off the DVD, it's wanting to download them?
[07:15] <tony_> anyone?
[07:17] <sirmis> tony_: packages off the dvd ??
[07:17] <Voker57> hi ppl
[07:18] <tony_> yes
[07:18] <tony_> nevermind, i assume i just edit the sources.list right?
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> tony_: apt-cdrom
[07:18] <tony_> ok, thanks, i'll try it
[07:18] <Voker57> what are .run files? Can i launch them under kubuntu?
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> tony_: Or if you want you can copy them all to disk
[07:19] <h3sp4wn> and use a file:// stanza in sources.list
[07:19] <mc__> Voker57: probably
[07:19] <tony_> how? it keeps saying it requires an argument
[07:19] <Voker57> And are rpm's for Red Hat?
[07:20] <h3sp4wn> copy all the deb's off the disk into a director
[07:20] <mc__> Voker57: nope
[07:20] <Voker57> mc__: so can i run them?
[07:20] <mc__> Voker57: ubuntu uses *debs
[07:20] <h3sp4wn> dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null|gzip -9>Packages.gz
[07:20] <mc__> Voker57: you cant run debs nor you can run rpms on redhat
[07:20] <mc__> Voker57: that are packages you can install them
[07:20] <tony_> nevermind, just apt-cdrom add is all i had to do
[07:21] <mc__> Voker57: a *run file is most often some script you can run on any distro
[07:21] <Voker57> mc__: so what are install packages for kununtu?
[07:21] <Voker57> oh good
[07:21] <mc__> Voker57: *deb
[07:21] <Voker57> And *.run too?
[07:21] <mc__> Voker57: no *.run is simply a programm
[07:21] <Voker57> eh
[07:21] <mc__> Voker57: not a package
[07:22] <Voker57> The thing is, i see *.rpm *.tar.gz *.run on FTP. Which of them can be installed on ubuntu?
[07:22] <tony_> so if i use the dvd for repositories, will it automatically try to use the dvd instead of download what's already on there?
[07:22] <sirmis> tar.gz
[07:23] <Voker57> sirmis: and no *.run?
[07:23] <sirmis> and .run
[07:23] <Voker57> good
[07:23] <santa> how to join another room?
[07:23] <sirmis> there's plenty of good howto's
[07:24] <Voker57> so if i download *.run or *.tar.gz can i be sure that it will work?
[07:24] <Voker57> sirmis: where?
[07:24] <sirmis> www.google.com
[07:24] <Voker57> brilliant
[07:24] <dragonfly7> Ok, in xorg, if I change "driver "nvidia"" to "driver"nv"" would that mean that the PC was not using the graphics card anymore?
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> If you don't want to use the graphics card just don't use X at all - use a vga terminal
[07:25] <sirmis> :D
[07:26] <dragonfly7> h3sp4wn: I want to use a GUI, but my graphics card crashes the PC when playing a DVD full screen. Not cool. So I was trying to figure out a way that I could watch a DVD full screen without using the graphics card. I am pretty open to whatever beyond that.
[07:26] <sirmis> dragonfly7: your craphics card is ??
[07:26] <h3sp4wn> dragonfly7: Does it crash if you use mplayer with the directfb driver (in  a  console)
[07:26] <guiden> I have found a small bug on kde
[07:27] <thompa> anyone know how to get cedega to work in kubuntu, it shows the game folders but not installing
[07:27] <dragonfly7> sirmis: A faulty GeForce440 Go (laptop)
[07:27] <thompa> its not opening the cds i think
[07:27] <dragonfly7> h3sp4wn: I have no clue. I can figure that out if you walk me through it.
[07:28] <h3sp4wn> dragonfly7: Are you using nvidia-legacy ?
[07:28] <dragonfly7> h3sp4wn: Yes, I am using the legacy drivers. I can show you the page I followed to install them if you want.
[07:28] <h3sp4wn> dragonfly7: Is it impossible for you to use the other ones ?
[07:29] <sirmis> dragonfly7: there's plenty of howto's available in net .. try googling around
[07:29] <dragonfly7> h3sp4wn: Yes, it is, and I believe the problem is a hardware one, not software, since it did it in XP also. I just need to disable the card.'
[07:29] <sirmis> dragonfly7: there's beta driver for your GBU available
[07:29] <sirmis> p
[07:30] <sirmis> GPU
[07:30] <h3sp4wn> dragonfly7: Tried installing a new bios ?
[07:30] <h3sp4wn> dragonfly7: (graphics card bios)
[07:30] <dragonfly7> sirmis: I'm sorry, I don't understand.
[07:30] <dragonfly7> h3sp4wn: No, I have not. That sounds very challenging.
[07:30] <The> Anyone feel like helping poor little me?
[07:30] <dragonfly7> The: With what?
[07:30] <The> Screen resolution.
[07:30] <h3sp4wn> dragonfly7: Not really you just have to follow the instructions exactly
[07:31] <dragonfly7> h3sp4wn: Would I have to reinstall Kubuntu then?
[07:31] <sirmis> dragonfly7: google: nvidia Geforce 440 go kubuntu
[07:31] <dragonfly7> The: What about it?
[07:31] <The> I need to change it to a screen resolution that isn't listed.
[07:32] <dragonfly7> sirmis: "
[07:32] <dragonfly7> Your search - nvidia gefore440 go kubuntu - did not match any document" No luck with that. :(
[07:32] <h3sp4wn> dragonfly7: You have to install it from dos usually
[07:32] <sirmis> http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=nvidia+Geforce+440+go+kubuntu&spell=1
[07:32] <Morrissey> Hi! I have a ATI Radeon 9000 with fglrx drivers. When I am not running Xgl, I get everything ok from "fglrxinfo" and "glxgears" and DRI is enabled ... but when I log into my xgl verything is very slow, I can see no effects and I get from "glxgears": "Xbfree86-DRI missing on display 1:0" :( Any ideas?
[07:32] <h3sp4wn> dragonfly7: You can usually find a bootable floppy which you can just write to a cd and boot from (if one exists)
[07:32] <The> Dragonfly7: I need to change it to a screen resolution that isn't listed.
[07:33] <sirmis> bbl
[07:33] <h3sp4wn> Morrissey: No reason to use fglrx with ati < 9250
[07:33] <dragonfly7> h3sp4wn: If I had to reinstall, I could just not install the nVidia driver. What if I just change my xorg somehow?
[07:33] <Morrissey> h3sp4wn, oh, really? Ive heard that some made it work
[07:33] <Morrissey> h3sp4wn, all I really want is that damn cube :)
[07:33] <Morrissey> none of the fancy smancy window jumping or whatever :)
[07:34] <h3sp4wn> xserver-xorg-video-ati supports ati <9250 almost flawlessly
[07:34] <The> Dragonfly7: I need to change it to a screen resolution that isn't listed.
[07:34] <voker57> heeelp! After changing a display my picture is split!
[07:34] <voker57> How can i fix it?
[07:34] <h3sp4wn> dragonfly7: You could just purge nvidia-legacy
[07:35] <dragonfly7> h3sp4wn: Good idea. How would I go about doing that?
[07:35] <The> I need to change it to a screen resolution that isn't listed. How do I get 1280 x 800?
[07:35] <Morrissey> h3sp4wn, what do you mean?
[07:35] <voker57> everything that is in upper part is mirrored in lower one
[07:36] <h3sp4wn> dragonfly7: aptitude search nvidia~nlegacy
[07:36] <voker57> what is konsole command to get into display properties?
[07:36] <h3sp4wn> dragonfly7: Findout the exact name and then aptitude purge <foo>
[07:36] <h3sp4wn> (with sudo)
[07:37] <thompa> i am gerting "no medium" found on my cdrom drive
[07:37] <thompa> sometimes if i open and close it i can see contents
[07:37] <voker57> heeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp
[07:37] <dragonfly7> h3sp4wn: Ok, I have nvidia-glx-legacy, nvidia-glx-legacy-de, and nvidia-glx-legacy-kernal
[07:37] <The> help someone?
[07:37] <thompa> unablt o mount "no medium found"
[07:38] <dragonfly7> The: Try changing your resolution to that in xorg.conf. Do you know how to do that?
[07:38] <h3sp4wn> dragonfly7: sudo aptitude purge nvidia~nlegacy~i
[07:39] <dragonfly7> h3sp4wn: I hope this works...
[07:39] <h3sp4wn> Morrissey: Just use the free drivers and you will still have 3d
[07:39] <voker57> heeelp! After changing a display my picture is split!
[07:39] <Morrissey> h3sp4wn, how do I do that? :) Sorry for n00b qs
[07:39] <dragonfly7> voker57: Change it back!
[07:39] <h3sp4wn> dragonfly7: then just change Driver "nvidia" to Driver "nv" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:39] <h3sp4wn> Morrissey: Did you install fglrx from the repos ?
[07:39] <voker57> dragonfly: cannot. It's broken
[07:40] <Morrissey> h3sp4wn, yes, edgy had the fglrx allready
[07:40] <dragonfly7> voker57: What is broken?
[07:40] <voker57> My display is, dragonfly
[07:40] <h3sp4wn> Morrissey: Afaik ati dropped support for 9250 and below from fglrx recently anyway (maybe after that though)
[07:40] <h3sp4wn> Morrissey: aptitude purge fglrx~i
[07:40] <voker57> I bought a new one and Linux looks spooky on it
[07:41] <voker57> everything that is in upper part is mirrored in lower one
[07:41] <Morrissey> h3sp4wn, dont have apitude
[07:41] <voker57> Thus not allowing me to access Kmenu
[07:41] <h3sp4wn> Morrissey: sudo perl -pi.bak -e 's/fglrx/radeon/i' /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:41] <dragonfly7> voker57: Ok, hit ctrl+alt+F1, then "sudo su", then "cd /etc/X11" then "nano xorg.conf" then find the resolution section and change it back.
[07:41] <h3sp4wn> !aptitude
[07:41] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[07:41] <h3sp4wn> !info aptitude
[07:41] <ubotu> aptitude: terminal-based apt frontend. In component main, is important. Version 0.4.1-1.1ubuntu7 (edgy), package size 1395 kB, installed size 7696 kB
[07:42] <Morrissey> ok h3sp4wn I have done the perl thingy .. should I restart, and try again?
[07:42] <intelikey> voker57 doesnt know about consoles
[07:43] <Morrissey> h3sp4wn, cant find the apitude package :)
[07:43] <dragonfly7> h3sp4wn: Ok, I think that it is "unable to lock the administrative directory", and that it thinks something else is using it. Should I do this without booting to a GUI?
[07:45] <dragonfly7> h3sp4wn: Would the information in this work: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Edgy#HOW_TO_UNINSTALL_THE_DRIVER_.28FROM_METHOD_2.29
[07:46] <dragonfly7> h3sp4wn: Never mind, I don't have a backup. I am going to try something in xorg, I will hopefull be back soon.
[07:47] <Morrissey> h3sp4wn, I think its strange, because I have the fglrx up and running and all ... glxgears when not running XGl works like a charm
[07:48] <Morrissey> h3sp4wn, I dont have composite
[07:48] <eilker> i have very interesting thing.../home/xyz/backup/backup/backup/backup/backup/backup/backup/backup/   i have 8 backup folders, and /home/xyz/backup/ is 13,7 gb ...any idea?? i am gonna delete backup folder for gaining 13,7 gb, will there be any problem for system ?
[07:50] <intelikey> if everything is working correctly then everyghing is working correctly.  but if something is not working correctly then something is not working correctly, even though it may be something that you think is working correctly... take windows for example !
[07:50] <Morrissey> thanks for the info intelikey  :)
[07:51] <oem> hello
[07:51] <dragonfly7> h3sp4wn: OK, the good news is I am not using my graphics card. The bad news is that I am now panning with my mouse to view the whole screen.
[07:51] <intelikey> laugh if you must !
[07:52] <eilker> intelikey:hi friend, heyy see this, i am totaly confused,  i have very interesting thing.../home/xyz/backup/backup/backup/backup/backup/backup/backup/backup/   i have 8 backup folders, and /home/xyz/backup/ is 13,7 gb ...any idea?? i am gonna delete backup folder for gaining 13,7 gb, will there be any problem for system ?
[07:52] <oem> Anybody who have a working twinhan 7045 in kubuntu
[07:52] <intelikey> eilker no problem.
[07:54] <eilker> intelikey: how was it happened? are there any schedule etc? do u have any idea ?  and i am deleting it now...
[07:54] <oem> Ngon som snackar svenska hr???
[07:55] <intelikey> eilker i have no idea how you did that.   probably playing with some "backup" tool/app  ?
[07:55] <intelikey> script maybe.
[07:56] <HAMMER> hi there i would realy like some help concerning the xgl 3d desktop setup can any one help
[07:56] <eilker> intelikey: yes i did sth when i firstly installed kubuntu, just for practising:D
[07:57] <oem> does xgl 3d works in kubuntu???
[07:57] <intelikey> eilker there you go !   and now you know !
[07:57] <HAMMER> I have seen it work in you tube should be able to work
[07:57] <HAMMER> it works sweet in youtube I must have
[07:58] <HAMMER> having some small problims tho like where to find a decent how to i have looked at a few but yeah
[07:58] <intelikey> oem some say it does.
[07:58] <eilker> intelikey: thanx man...
[07:58] <HAMMER> ok so no one here knows how
[07:59] <HAMMER> alright
[07:59] <intelikey> !xgl
[07:59] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:59] <oem> ok thanx intelikey
[07:59] <intelikey> HAMMER helps if you ask a specific question.
[08:00] <HAMMER> ok how specific you whant me to be
[08:00] <intelikey> np @ oem & eilker
[08:00] <HAMMER> i need help installing xgl please help with a usefull up to date how to or if you know how please say so
[08:01] <eilker> hammer: what video card?
[08:01] <eilker> hammer: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Dapper/XGL
[08:02] <intelikey> !ati
[08:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:02] <eilker> hammer: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Dapper/AiGLX
[08:02] <HAMMER> ok the drivers and all that is installed and ny hardware is xgl ready
[08:03] <eilker> hammer: so , check the link pls
[08:03] <HAMMER> accel is on and ready to go the beryl repositories are realy the only problim
[08:03] <HAMMER> will do thanks
[08:04] <eilker> hammer: you could check your video card's performance(with xgl), from gentoo wiki
[08:09] <dragonfly7> Ok, if I change "driver "nvidia"" to "driver"nv"" in xorg, how do I prevent my resolution from switching to 800*600 ?
[08:10] <guiden> I can't find the kde configuration thing that i'm used to
[08:11] <guiden> I want to change my theme
[08:11] <dragonfly7> Ok, if I change "driver "nvidia"" to "driver"nv"" in xorg, how do I prevent my resolution from switching to 800*600 ?
[08:12] <intelikey> guiden one can [alt] +[f2]  type kcontrol     i dont have edgy so i can't give you a presise menu map.
[08:13] <Danker> Hi
[08:13] <Danker> What font is used in http://www.kubuntu.org/images/kde4.png
[08:13] <Danker> ?
[08:13] <guiden> Ok thanks
[08:13] <intelikey> dragonfly7 set it to 640x480 ?   :)
[08:14] <dragonfly7> intelikey: :) I was hoping to use 1600*1200, but without using the nvidia driver.
[08:14] <intelikey> dragonfly7 nv driver should do 1280x* with out problems   it does here.
[08:15] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:15] <BluDog_Anchorite> it's been so long since i tried, i forgot.  what's a recomended app for backing up dvd's ?
[08:15] <intelikey> i don't know about the 1600x* never got that to work on nv  but figured it may be my monitor
[08:15] <dragonfly7> It was originally, before I installed the nvidia drivers. I just need to figure out how to make it again. Would you look at my xorg if I pastebined it?
[08:16] <intelikey> dragonfly7 look in /etc/X11 and see if there is a backup of the xorg.conf*  restore it...
[08:16] <dragonfly7> I have some very old backups, I will look at them.
[08:17] <h3sp4wn> Or just start with a very minimal xorg.conf (much tidyer than the dpkg-reconfigure one) by running X -configure
[08:17] <dragonfly7> The problem is, I have made changes I want to keep, such as enabling monitor rotaion.
[08:18] <intelikey> BluDog_Anchorite dd to make an iso.  k3b should burn them to disk if that's the Q
[08:18] <BluDog_Anchorite> intelikey: no, for backing up my video dvd's
[08:18] <intelikey> dd should make an iso of them.
[08:19] <intelikey> ?
[08:19] <intelikey> backing or hacking  that is the question....
[08:20] <h3sp4wn> Breaking the encryption is legally questionable (for those in the US at least not for me I don't think)
[08:21] <dragonfly7> Ok, anyone who is helping me, this is the relevant section of my xorg: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33721/
[08:21] <dragonfly7> I need to make my resolution not 800*600 pan and scan, or whatever it is called.
[08:22] <h3sp4wn> back it up run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg - remerge the changes
[08:22] <intelikey> line 26   remove
[08:23] <dragonfly7> intelikey: You talking to me? If so, I will try it.
[08:24] <intelikey> line 20   we need the section refered too
[08:24] <dragonfly7> intelikey: Refered? What do you mean by that?
[08:24] <BluesKaj> is there a small dvd erase utility for kubuntu , k3b reformats ...just need to overwrite with random data
[08:24] <intelikey>  20.   Identifier "Default Screen"
[08:25] <dragonfly7> intelikey: Change it to? Or remove it?
[08:25] <intelikey> no paste the section "Default Screen"
[08:25] <intelikey> s/no/no,/
[08:26] <guiden> HAHA I know how to become root permanently, I typed "sudo su" :)
[08:26] <user__> uihui
[08:26] <h3sp4wn> guiden: why not sudo -i ?
[08:27] <h3sp4wn> guiden: or at least sudo su -
[08:27] <intelikey> dragonfly7 you don't have anyother screen* section in that config ?
[08:27] <guiden> hehe well
[08:27] <dragonfly7> intelikey: Just a second, I will pastebin the whole thing.
[08:27] <guiden> I thought it was impossible :)
[08:28] <guiden> Well I guess its not that windows nazi restricted :p
[08:28] <dragonfly7> intelikey: Ok, that is the whole thing: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33725/
[08:28] <h3sp4wn> Nothing is impossible but the tendancy to assume people are stupid worries me
[08:28] <intelikey> guiden not at all   sudo -i    is for that.  but if you use sudo su  you should add -    sudo su -  so you use root env also
[08:28] <bxnp> hi everybody
[08:28] <h3sp4wn> (hiding files by default also
[08:29] <guiden> aha ok
[08:29] <Chris_Swift_Kubu> Hey, I got a prob with detecting my Hard Disk. I have partitioned it in GParted. Cannot find the directory if the drive I have checked media folder though
[08:29] <bxnp> is it possible to create an icon on the kde desktop for an application in such way that the application is running with a different nice value
[08:29] <Homer> Hi, will DNF run on Kubuntu?
[08:30] <intelikey> guiden one can enable root login also if they wish.
[08:30] <dragonfly7> intelikey: Did you see the new pastebin? ( http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33725/ )
[08:30] <intelikey> dragonfly7 yes looking...
[08:31] <h3sp4wn> What is the equivalent of hdparm for configuring disks that are using the libata (pata) drivers
[08:32] <intelikey> dragonfly7 i have to agree with h3sp4wn on that  regenerate the config and edit a clean one.    that one you pasted is WAC
[08:33] <marcelloDoItBeTt> hello
[08:33] <marcelloDoItBeTt> i need a help...
[08:33] <h3sp4wn> X -configure generates the cleanest ones (non of that wacom stuff very few people use)
[08:33] <micke> First time @ irc... this is for kubuntu users i guess!? :) Well... i use ubuntu... i tried kubuntu becouse i like KDE alot. But after testing ubuntu im in "love" :)
[08:33] <dragonfly7> intelikey: Ok, how would I do that? "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" ?
[08:33] <micke> Is there a ubuntu "place"!?
[08:34] <h3sp4wn> #ubuntu (but it scrolls too fast to be very useful)
[08:34] <micke> Hi btw! :)
[08:34] <dragonfly7> micke: South Africa?
[08:34] <micke> Nope... Sweden...
[08:34] <marcelloDoItBeTt> what does " you speak when you spoken too" mean??
[08:34] <micke> "europe"
[08:34] <intelikey> dragonfly7 the reason that config is worthless imo  is because you have redundant entries that arent used and one modline defined   modeline  "640x480@60"         yes ^ that but i sujest -plow rather than -phigh
[08:34] <h3sp4wn> micke: Maybe you can find a lower volume ubuntu specific channel somewhere
[08:34] <dragonfly7> micke: I mean, that is the place of ubuntu kind of.
[08:34] <dragonfly7> intelikey: i  will try that now.
[08:35] <micke> ok
[08:35] <dragonfly7> Good luck to me.
[08:35] <intelikey> tre bon chance
[08:35] <micke> So, you talk linux all day here. Sounds nice...
[08:35] <h3sp4wn> I think ubuntu has changed the default debconf settings in debian -plow is implied if dpkg-reconfigure is run but not in ubuntu
[08:35] <fdoving> h3sp4wn: i think hdparm is what should be used. the capabilities are in hdparm, libata has been the holdup.
[08:36] <intelikey> micke actually they talk linux all day in ##linux   we talk  *buntu linux here all day
[08:36] <h3sp4wn> fdoving: Everything fails though switching dma on etc - I just need to list what the capabilities are like
[08:36] <Thar> hi
[08:36] <micke> intelikey, ok, sorry then :P
[08:37] <h3sp4wn> fdoving: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[08:37] <dragonfly7> micke: If you find any interesting IRC channels, let me know. I  haven't really found anything social.
[08:38] <Thar> could it be any reason, why the same fonts from the same repo acts different under Gnome and KDE? :>
[08:38] <bxnp> i guess 325 dont know the answer for this one : is it possible to create an icon on the kde desktop for an application in such way that the application is running with a different nice value
[08:39] <bxnp> and then then they say that linux is not hard to learn
[08:39] <micke> dragonfly7, ok... ill will.
[08:39] <intelikey> Thar yes
[08:39] <h3sp4wn> fdoving: It may actually be on but I can't find anything in /sys to imply that it is
[08:39] <intelikey> bxnp yes it is.
[08:40] <dragonfly7> intelikey or h3sp4wn: i ran that, and it seemed to work, but my xorg doesn't look any different. Should I restart the X server?
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> personally I would run that out of X
[08:40] <bxnp> what intelikey linux is hard to learn or yes is the answer to my question
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> (with X stopped)
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> bxnp: If you can read you will have few problems
[08:41] <intelikey> yes to your Q bxnp
[08:41] <intelikey> man nice       nice [OPTION]  [COMMAND [ARG] ...] 
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> bxnp: Read a generic book like UNIX a nutshell
[08:41] <bxnp> yes i know the syntax of the nice command
[08:41] <bxnp> i know that you cant nice as a user lower than the value zero
[08:42] <bxnp> but thats is what i want
[08:42] <intelikey> so edit the launcher   duh
[08:42] <bxnp> and i want an icon on the desktop so that i dont have to renice the app while its running
[08:42] <h3sp4wn> Start it by a script
[08:42] <bxnp> i am an user not a programmer
[08:42] <fdoving> h3sp4wn: i don't have anything to test taht on right now. i think there are some big improvements in 2.6.18-19 or something around there. don't remember.
[08:43] <intelikey> !sudo | bxnp
[08:43] <ubotu> bxnp: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:43] <BluDog_Anchorite> so, are there any plans to build 2.6.18 for dapper ?
[08:43] <h3sp4wn> fdoving: I am on 2.6.19 (It might just be on anyway but just not reporting anything) I certainly haven't seen any massive speed decreast
[08:43] <bxnp> i know that intelikey i read the docs about it, if i figured it out i would not ask ovehere for an answer
[08:44] <Thar> I've installed Kubuntu with polish language choosed during the installation, and have changed the keymap to polish, but still it seems like most of the fonts just don't have certain letter while typing sth in adress box (firefox), or in konversation, or in abiword... strange, because on Ubuntu everything was normal
[08:44] <h3sp4wn> bxnp: being able to write simple scripts I would say is important for any user to understand UNIX to use it most effectively
[08:45] <intelikey> bxnp ok.   something like     your.app -withargs & sudo nice -99 your.app    on the line of the launcher that executes your.app  ???
[08:45] <intelikey> translate  your.app -withargs
[08:46] <intelikey> and don't use -99   :)
[08:47] <bxnp> oke let me check
[08:47] <bxnp> if ti works
[08:47] <h3sp4wn> probably need NOPASSWD for sudo
[08:47] <intelikey> h3sp4wn yeah or kdesu would be better
[08:48] <intelikey> i was actually generalizing
[08:49] <kanak> Hello
[08:49] <h3sp4wn> depends whether its a console app or not
[08:49] <h3sp4wn> it could be seti at home or something that runs in the background anyway
[08:49] <kanak> How can I access Windows file thats on a different hard drive on kubuntu
[08:49] <kanak>  How can I access Windows file thats on a different hard drive on kubuntu
[08:49] <kanak> can somene help me?
[08:51] <intelikey> !ntfs
[08:51] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[08:51] <kanak> how do i dl that?
[08:51] <Thar> hm, guess no one is interested... oh well
[08:51] <kanak> how do i get !ntfs?
[08:52] <bxnp> intelikey, your sugestion does not work
[08:52] <Thar> goodbye
[08:52] <h3sp4wn> !doesnotwork
[08:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about doesnotwork - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:52] <intelikey> bxnp kdesu
[08:52] <h3sp4wn> !does not work
[08:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about does not work - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:52] <bxnp> for example: blender -w & sudo nice -4 blender does not run blender with an nice value of -4
[08:52] <intelikey> !work
[08:52] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[08:53] <scheuri> hi all...I have an odd problem with my USB-mass-storage devices lately...from one day to another I can not access them anymore...I plut them in and the usual window pops up if I want an extra konquerer window....but after choosing this nothing happens...the device is mounted but not accessible with my normal user
[08:54] <intelikey> bxnp you said you knew all about nice and sudo  so i assumed you knew....  " blender -w & dkesu nice -4 blender "  <-- that should be parsable
[08:54] <bxnp> listen i use linux for 4 weeks now
[08:54] <BluesKaj> what's the commandline expression for erasing a dvd+rw ?
[08:55] <weedar_> Somehow all my fonts in Konversation, Skype, etc. are TINY, even though I've set them to be bigger in the control center
[08:56] <weedar_> Any ideas what I can do?
[08:56] <guiden> every program that I have has a K in it's name, why?
[08:57] <BluesKaj> related to the KDE desktop
[08:57] <weedar_> guiden: Its a "tradition" to name KDE applications with a K first
[08:57] <guiden> Ok
[08:57] <intelikey> guiden ERROR    ls /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin | grep -ve k     look at all that programs you have that dont have k
[08:58] <DaSkreech> someone maintain seamonkey!
[08:58] <intelikey> !i
[08:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:59] <swami> hello averyone
[08:59] <DaSkreech> !myself
[08:59] <weedar_> So nobody knows how I can increase fonts? :)
[08:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about myself - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:59] <guiden> intelikey: that's alot! will I ever need every single one of them? :p
[09:00] <swami> any one who has a ati here on this chanell
[09:00] <swami> cause i have a question
[09:00] <msl> swami: I have an 8500
[09:01] <guiden> is there a dc client that has a K in its name?
[09:01] <intelikey> guiden that's probably not all there is /usr/games and /usr/local/*bin  as well but they might all or any of them be empty.
[09:01] <swami> me a 8500
[09:01] <swami> 8600
[09:01] <swami> pardon me
[09:01] <DaSkreech> !p2p > guiden
[09:01] <swami> and i get only 200 fps....
[09:01] <guiden> !p2p | guiden
[09:01] <ubotu> guiden: Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[09:01] <guiden> hehe
[09:02] <swami> on the glxgears
[09:02] <DaSkreech> swami: In My days we used to have spf and we liked it!!
[09:02] <msl> swami: what is the output of      glxinfo | grep rendering       from konsole
[09:02] <swami> is on os on
[09:02] <guiden> DaSkreech: that's a torrent klient'
[09:02] <swami> is on
[09:02] <legion> !drivers
[09:02] <swami> direct rendering -yes
[09:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drivers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:03] <msl> it says   direct rendering: Yes
[09:03] <swami> yes
[09:03] <msl> are you using open source drivers or ati binary drivers
[09:03] <swami> it does
[09:03] <swami> but the interesting part is this
[09:03] <legion> just bought a new comp and I have installed kubuntu on it. Most things seem to be working smoothly, but I can't seem to get my sound up and running
[09:03] <swami> i have a pdf in background
[09:03] <guiden> !dc
[09:04] <ubotu> dc: The GNU dc arbitrary precision reverse-polish calculator. In component main, is optional. Version 1.06-19ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 56 kB, installed size 200 kB
[09:04] <guiden> !direct-connect
[09:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about direct-connect - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:04] <swami> ywhen i change my focus on it the fps risese to 2500
[09:04] <swami> what the hell
[09:04] <DaSkreech> guiden: valken
[09:04] <guiden> !valken
[09:04] <intelikey> !sound | legion
[09:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about valken - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:04] <ubotu> legion: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[09:04] <DaSkreech> !info valken > guiden
[09:04] <ubotu> Package valken does not exist in any distro I know
[09:04] <swami> any ideea what could it bw?
[09:04] <msl> your FPS will go up when you cover the gears, or make the gears window smaller, etc.
[09:04] <swami> be*
[09:05] <swami> aha
[09:05] <msl> are you using Xgl?
[09:05] <swami> but when ii shows me the true fps
[09:05] <swami> yes
[09:05] <guiden> Daskreetch: I dont find it on atp-get either
[09:05] <swami> but now i'm not in a xgl/beryl session
[09:06] <msl> If you are using Xgl it is normal to have low FPS from glxgears
[09:06] <swami> but now i don't have such a session
[09:06] <swami> i'm on simple kde
[09:06] <msl> You may not be using beryl at the moment but Xgl should still be loaded.
[09:06] <swami> hmm wait to see
[09:07] <msl> Your gears are turning just fine though, right?
[09:07] <guiden> DaSkreech: are you sure it's called valken?
[09:07] <DaSkreech> guiden: Nope
[09:07] <guiden> hehe ok
[09:08] <BluesKaj> tried beryl ... my card doesn't support 3d accel etc si dumped it ...too many probs trying to get eye candy to work  :)
[09:08] <guiden> I'll check http://www.freshmeat.net
[09:08] <BluesKaj> not worth the trouble
[09:09] <guiden> DaSkreech: Do you mean valknut?
[09:09] <swami> yes
[09:09] <swami> they are ok
[09:10] <DaSkreech> !valknut
[09:10] <intelikey> blueskaj eye candy not worth the trubble ???  blasphemy !   they'll stone you for that in #*buntu
[09:10] <ubotu> valknut: graphical client for Direct Connect. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.7-2.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 863 kB, installed size 3040 kB
[09:10] <DaSkreech> Yes I do :)
[09:10] <swami> valknut is a direct connect client
[09:10] <swami> :)
[09:10] <msl> swami, in that case, I think you are fine and have good 3d acceleration
[09:10] <DaSkreech> intelikey: and #*ista incidentally
[09:10] <muneserver> alguien de chile
[09:10] <guiden> But I want a direct connect client that is "K":ed
[09:10] <msl> It's just being screwy with the reported FPS from glxgears
[09:10] <swami> how can i speak to u directly not on the chat?
[09:10] <intelikey> DaSkreech *ol
[09:11] <sirmis> back
[09:11] <sirmis> and drunk ;)
[09:11] <sirmis> h0h0h0h0h0h0h0
[09:11] <swami> !msl dsd
[09:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about msl dsd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:11] <DaSkreech> guiden: It does have K :-P
[09:11] <swami> \msl dsd
[09:12] <sirmis> 
[09:12] <sirmis> .
[09:12] <swami> msl
[09:12] <sirmis> what =
[09:12] <sirmis> '
[09:12] <swami> why ur chat apears red...
[09:12] <sirmis> ki
[09:12] <guiden> Is there an official standard kde application like konqueror for web, k3b for burning tool, Kpdf. I mean is there this "list" of good programs?
[09:12] <swami> while mine is still black...is this a private chat...
[09:12] <intelikey> swami it's voodoo
[09:13] <BluesKaj> intelikey, i followed the instructions to the letter ...took me 2 hrs to findout after all the trouble ...i find out  at the end of the page that my ati card won't support most of beryl options ...you'd be a bit annoyed too
[09:13] <swami> i'm sorry i don;t use irc chats verry often
[09:13] <DaSkreech> guiden: For peer tp eer?
[09:13] <sirmis> crash :S
[09:13] <msl> swami: no,  try     /msg msl blah blah blah
[09:13] <DaSkreech> guiden: No  idon't know that there will ever be
[09:13] <swami> ytanks:)
[09:13] <Al> Is there a default response for people asking about the windows key?
[09:13] <sirmis> haha
[09:13] <intelikey> BluesKaj i stay annoyed    saves time.
[09:13] <sirmis> widows key :D
[09:13] <BluesKaj> !windows key
[09:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about windows key - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:13] <sirmis> typo
[09:14] <Al> :( ubotu fails me
[09:14] <Al> So yah how do I bind Super_L
[09:14] <BluesKaj> not really into eye candy anyway , suprefluous extras don't turn my crank much :)
[09:15] <Al> I've done it before but forgot how
[09:15] <guiden> Ok but do I already have a dc client on the default installation of kubuntu?
[09:15] <intelikey> !hotkeys
[09:15] <ubotu> hotkeys: A hotkeys daemon for your Internet/multimedia keyboard in X. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.7.4 (edgy), package size 141 kB, installed size 384 kB
[09:15] <BluesKaj> intelikey, what's command for erasing a dvdrw?
[09:15] <intelikey> BluesKaj idk sorry i have no dvd drive...
[09:16] <BluesKaj> no need to format , just erase
[09:16] <BluesKaj> well, cdrw then ..prolly the same :)
[09:16] <bxnp> intelikey, the right syntax for starting an app with an icon on the desktop so that it runs with a different syntax is  konsole & sudo renice -5 $! &
[09:16] <Al> think I've worked it out
[09:16] <bxnp> runs with a differnt nice value i meant intelikey
[09:16] <bxnp> konsole & sudo renice -5 $! &
[09:17] <bxnp> if the app is for example konsole
[09:17] <intelikey> why start a konsole ?
[09:17] <intelikey> oh
[09:18] <bxnp> for example
[09:18] <bxnp> you could replace konsole with any app you want
[09:18] <intelikey> but again kdesu would eliminate sudo needing input and not finding it.
[09:18] <intelikey> you could replace sudo with kdesu
[09:18] <intelikey> should prolly
[09:19] <bxnp> oke but in your way renice would not know the pid of the app
[09:19] <bxnp> so the renice would not take place
[09:19] <bxnp> if i understand correctly
[09:19] <bxnp> but then again i am using linux only for 4 weeks
[09:19] <intelikey> bxnp my way would be `pidof appname`  for the pid number  :)
[09:19] <intelikey> differance in console -vs- gui approach
[09:20] <bxnp> yes but then you have to search for it
[09:20] <intelikey> no
[09:20] <intelikey> echo "  `pidof echo`  is the pid number."
[09:21] <bxnp> oke yes
[09:21] <intelikey> test that ^
[09:21] <intelikey> heh will maybe it exits to quickly for the process table to update.
[09:21] <z4scorpion> lu all
[09:21] <swami> d
[09:22] <intelikey> echo "  `pidof echo`  is the pid number. `sleep 2`"
[09:22] <guiden> Does anyone understand what the those choices I have when I open Krita?
[09:22] <Varjat> Hi, gays! I trying to install LIRC module for my TV tuner. But cann't to compile kernel modules because following problem: /bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: No such file or directory
[09:22] <Varjat> Is anybody know how to fix this?
[09:23] <intelikey> i can't believe echo doesn't have a pid... i had never tried that before
[09:23] <brett> Varjat: Gays?
[09:23] <brett> Varjat: do you mean guys?
[09:23] <Varjat> Sorry :)
[09:23] <brett> Varjat: :-)
[09:23] <guiden> Oh, that was on purpose
[09:23] <Varjat> Yes, offcorce :)
[09:23] <dhq> i downloaded kubuntu dvd but my md5 is not correct
[09:23] <z4scorpion> lkn
[09:23] <guiden> :)
[09:23] <z4scorpion> jn
[09:23] <z4scorpion> ohpohip
[09:24] <brett> Varjat: just want to let you know why no one responded
[09:24] <z4scorpion> test
[09:25] <Danker> Which avatar is better ? This one http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asadar6.png or this one http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dankerlogopu5.png
[09:25] <brett> swami: yes i can see what you wrote but this nick is not registered
[09:25] <Varjat> brett, sorry :)  As you see, my English is bad, so a can'nt understand what you mean :)
[09:26] <brett> Varjat: oh really? what language do you speak
[09:26] <Varjat> Russian, Belarussian
[09:26] <dhq> !rsync
[09:26] <ubotu> rsync: fast remote file copy program (like rcp). In component main, is standard. Version 2.6.8-2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 237 kB, installed size 472 kB
[09:26] <brett> Varjat: oh cool. Do you know what 'gay' means?
[09:27] <Varjat> No-no, i can understand english, but only use more simple words :)
[09:27] <Varjat> Yes, I know :)
[09:27] <brett> Varjat: :-)
[09:27] <Varjat> I'm sorry
[09:27] <brett> Varjat: i am not upset.... just wanted to let you know before you said it to someone who would be
[09:27] <guiden> putin :)
[09:28] <Varjat> I allways confuse this word.. Guys, gays.. :)
[09:28] <z4scorpion_> french here?
[09:29] <guiden> How is it in russia, how is it to live there right now? live in sweden btw
[09:29] <z4scorpion_> how I do for register on this channel?
[09:29] <dhq> please give me link on rsync server for the kubuntu dvd
[09:29] <dhq> fdoving: ^^
[09:29] <Varjat> I live in Belarus.. :) And our president is Lukashenko
[09:30] <guiden> aha, the orange revolution?
[09:30] <guiden> no, wrong country
[09:30] <z4scorpion_> how I do for register on this channel?
[09:30] <robotgeek> please keep discussion ontopic, for offtopic use #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:30] <Varjat> No :) Orange revolution in the Ucraine
[09:30] <guiden> yeah :p
[09:30] <robotgeek> !register > z4scorpion_
[09:30] <guiden> sry robot
[09:31] <robotgeek> guiden: no problem
[09:31] <z4scorpion> lol robot find automaticly ! it's magic!
[09:31] <gnomefreak> z4scorpion: any reason you are pinging me with numbers?
[09:31] <swami> d
[09:31] <Varjat> So, what about LIRC? :)
[09:32] <swami> register
[09:32] <Varjat> Is anybody have installed them?
[09:32] <swami> register >dsds
[09:32] <guiden> robotgeek: sry about this one to, i can't talk to you in private, i just wanted to know if you programme robots? :)
[09:32] <swami> register > dsds
[09:32] <swami> !register > dsds
[09:32] <z4scorpion> gnomefreak no it test irc ^^
[09:32] <robotgeek> swami: what are you doing!
[09:32] <robotgeek> guiden: no, i am real person :)
[09:33] <guiden> robotgeek, hehe I mean, do you make real robots? :)
[09:33] <robotgeek> guiden: uesed to, not anymore
[09:33] <gnomefreak> no need to do it.
[09:34] <conor> hmm
[09:34] <Mongey> I've got an ipv6 problem
[09:34] <Mongey> how do i getrid of it
[09:34] <guiden> robotgeek:cool, do you know hydralics and motors, sry for offtopic but I haven't registered?
[09:35] <brett> i am trying to get a program to work under wine but for some reason the program does not see my cd drives
[09:35] <brett> any ideas?
[09:35] <robotgeek> guiden: yes, /j #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[09:35] <Dr_willis> check your wine config files.
[09:35] <Mongey> any ideas for ipv6 ?
[09:36] <z4scorpion> register aml
[09:36] <brett> Dr_willis: i ran winecfg and everything apears to be in order
[09:37] <z4scorpion> test
[09:37] <Dr_willis> brett,  could mount the cd manually, and see if that helps. I havent used wine to access a cdrom drive in ages.
[09:37] <brett> Dr_willis: how would you do that?
[09:37] <Dr_willis> moun /media/cdrom (or whatever its called)
[09:38] <Dr_willis> oops mount.
[09:38] <brett> i see the cd fine in linux
[09:38] <Dr_willis> that imples your wine config is incorrect then.
[09:38] <z4scorpion> I don't understand how register my nickname on the channel
[09:39] <Dr_willis> z4scorpion,  /msg nickserv help
[09:39] <Dr_willis> Its a 'network wide' registeration thing.
[09:39] <z4scorpion> i try this
[09:39] <z4scorpion> i try this
[09:39] <z4scorpion>  /msg nickserv help
[09:39] <dhq> i need help in rsync of the kubuntu dvd please help me
[09:39] <z4scorpion> hmm
[09:40] <z4scorpion> I have to make that: /msg nickserv help in freenode channel?
[09:40] <brett> Dr_willis: wait.... i think i found it
[09:40] <brett> Dr_willis: wrong cd configured
[09:41] <z4scorpion> the register command is to make in freenode?
[09:41] <eilker> what does "sudo aptitude clean" ?
[09:42] <z4scorpion> the register command is to make in freenode?
[09:42] <h3sp4wn> eilker: rm -rf /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:42] <eilker> !rf
[09:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:43] <intelikey> i don't get this.  /bin/echo doesn't seem to have a process id
[09:43] <eilker> h3sp4wn: what is -rf for ?
[09:43] <h3sp4wn> eilker: basically it deletes everything in /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:43] <intelikey> eilker recursive force
[09:43] <intelikey> eilker man rm
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> It probably does something a little less brutal but the end result is the same
[09:44] <eilker> h3sp4wn: thanx
[09:44] <intelikey> h3sp4wn you have to have */partial/ in there.
[09:44] <shitoss> hello
[09:44] <intelikey> apt balks without it
[09:44] <eilker> intelikey: thanx, got it
[09:45] <shitoss> i need any one can deal with c programming language
[09:45] <conor> ipv6 help ?
[09:45] <shitoss> or channel
[09:45] <intelikey> shitoss ##C
[09:45] <shitoss> look i have a problim
[09:45] <shitoss> can u explain this
[09:46] <intelikey> no
[09:46] <intelikey> i do not C
[09:46] <intelikey> long time, no C
[09:46] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: True it does it probably just removes *.deb from /var/cache/apt/archives and /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
[09:46] <shitoss> ok can u guide me to some one or some place to solve problims in c
[09:46] <dhq> Dr_willis:  i need help in rsync of the kubuntu dvd please help me
[09:46] <intelikey> h3sp4wn that would be apt-get clean
[09:47] <TheGateKeeper> shitoss, what is your problem?
[09:47] <intelikey> shitoss ##C
[09:47] <dr0fnax> !xgl
[09:47] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[09:47] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: aptitude clean is probably the same (I think it is)
[09:47] <intelikey> yes
[09:47] <shitoss> ok tell me
[09:47] <h3sp4wn> 20:43 < eilker> what does "sudo aptitude clean" ? (was the original question)
[09:48] <eilker> i think, apt-get clean and aptitude clean is different
[09:48] <intelikey> /join ##C
[09:48] <shitoss> # #c
[09:48] <intelikey> shitoss no     /join ##C
[09:48] <eilker> aptitude deletes partial too
[09:48] <z4scorpion> i m now connected with my nick !
[09:49] <h3sp4wn> eilker: It leaves the directory though
[09:50] <conor> how do i reset my network settings to default ?
[09:50] <eilker> anyone experienced in mail servers ?
[09:51] <intelikey> fetchmail/sendmail   but not qualified to help.
[09:51] <intelikey> back later.
[09:51] <dan__> whats the lib that i need to instal to make k3b burn cds from mp3 to audio
[09:51] <eilker> coming back
[09:52] <dan__> anyone?
[09:52] <TheGateKeeper> dan__, 1 min
[09:52] <dan__> cool
[09:52] <dan__> thanx
[09:53] <TheGateKeeper> dan__,   libk3b2-mp3
[09:53] <dan__> right on dude thanx
[09:53] <TheGateKeeper> yw :-)
[09:53] <conor> annyone??
[09:54] <TheGateKeeper> I was going to try & help with the C question but intelikey sent him/her packing lol
[10:00] <Dr_willis> dan__,  thats mentioned on the Kubuntu FAQ
[10:00] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:00] <Dr_willis> and some other mp3-related questions as well
[10:00] <joe3k> conor: what do you mean by default network settings?
[10:01] <conor> im trying to get rid of ipv6
[10:01] <conor> but i deleted 2 values
[10:01] <Morrissey> Ok, with a clean user (wich I just added to kde) I can run beryl-xgl with no problems :) But when I try to use it with my default user (wich Ive used for over a year with all of my settings) I get "Another window manager is allready running." and "No managaeble screens found on display" Can anyone help?
[10:01] <conor> that had ipv6 in it
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> I suppose you can start from scratch by removing /etc/network/interfaces
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> and reading man interfaces
[10:02] <Dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  im thinking hes got some other issues.
[10:02] <conor> i cant "see" the ect folder
[10:02] <joe3k> conor: what values did you delete where?
[10:02] <conor> its as if i dont have permission
[10:02] <Dr_willis> conor,  use the shell, or type in the address in the address bar /etc/
[10:02] <Nuked> granted this has nothing to do with kde, but I figure ill ask here, seeing as I prefer this room
[10:02] <Dr_willis> !hidden
[10:02] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[10:02] <conor> Dr_willis: i did
[10:03] <conor> ty
[10:03] <Nuked> I compiled and installed fluxbox and installed it to --prefix=/usr
[10:03] <Dr_willis> i type in /etc/apt/ or so on all the time.... :)
[10:03] <h3sp4wn> Nuked: Why ? to prefix /usr ? that is silly
[10:03] <conor> well
[10:03] <Dr_willis> better yet. Use the shell. heh
[10:03] <h3sp4wn> Nuked: the package manager uses that prefix prefix to /usr/local or /opt
[10:04] <Nuked> OH MAN I knew I should have done that! thank god for checkinstall
[10:04] <aMohammed> Is it possible to install GDM on Kubuntu without Gnome core ?
[10:04] <conor> i deleted something that had ip6 in it in network settings
[10:04] <robotgeek> aMohammed: sure
[10:05] <aMohammed> how to set it up then ?
[10:05] <Nuked> h3sp4wn: now when I recompile, should gdm automatically pick it up?
[10:05] <robotgeek> aMohammed: just install it, sudo apt-get install gdm, or so
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> Nuked: Why would it ? Is there a particular reason you need to compile fluxbox ?
[10:06] <aMohammed> it'll replace kdm automatically ?
[10:06] <h3sp4wn> !info fluxbox
[10:06] <ubotu> fluxbox: Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.15.1+1.0rc2-1 (edgy), package size 899 kB, installed size 2888 kB
[10:06] <Nuked> memory issues
[10:06] <Dr_willis> !info matchbox
[10:06] <ubotu> matchbox: base environment for resource-limited systems. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:3 (edgy), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB
[10:06] <conor> ok im in /ect/apt
[10:06] <joe3k> conor: and what are actually your symptoms? isn't something working ....?
[10:07] <h3sp4wn> If you are running fluxbox gdm comparitively wastes loads of resources
[10:07] <h3sp4wn> use xdm
[10:07] <conor> internet is extrexely slow
[10:07] <Dr_willis> or boot to the console and use 'startx'
[10:07] <h3sp4wn> or xinit
[10:07] <Nuked> h3sp4wn: how would I point gdm in the right direction though... just so that I can know should I decide to do this elsewhere (yes I am crazy)
[10:08] <joe3k> conor: aaah i remember few years ago there were some problems with kde and ipv6, but that had something to do with crappy dns servers and should have been fixed for a long time
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> I don't use gdm but kde uses .desktop files
[10:08] <Nuked> I know that gdm uses .desktop
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> If I need to add one I do dpkg -S *.desktop
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> work out where it is and then write a new one
[10:08] <joe3k> conor: what connection do you have? ppp or cable?
[10:08] <conor> so do you know what i should do ?
[10:09] <conor> cable
[10:09] <joe3k> conor: nope, sorry :) but let's try something
[10:09] <cox377> does anyone here run dual boot with windows?
[10:09] <joe3k> conor: do you have any reason to think it has something to do with ipv6?
[10:09] <Dr_willis> cox377,  a great majority do. :)
[10:10] <joe3k> Dr_willis: i don't ;-)
[10:10] <Nuked> h3sp4wn: how does the xinit work?
[10:10] <h3sp4wn> Nuked: just uses .xinitrc
[10:10] <conor> joek: last time i had kubuntu this was the problem
[10:10] <h3sp4wn> Nuked: exec /opt/e17/bin/enlightenment_start
[10:10] <conor> same with windows
[10:10] <cox377> Dr_willis: i dont @ the moment, well i want want to on this machine but im thinking about it on another machine, whats the best way of doing it?
[10:10] <h3sp4wn> (only line you need in it) then it runs when xinit is run
[10:10] <conor> when ipv6 was enanbled same problem
[10:11] <conor> well
[10:11] <Nuked> h3sp4wn:  then do I have to tell the login manager where to boot from
[10:11] <conor> im pretty sure it was in the dns tab of network settings
[10:11] <joe3k> conor: hmm can you paste your /etc/networks and /etc/network/interfaces
[10:11] <joe3k> conor: ok then /etc/resolv.conf
[10:12] <h3sp4wn> Nuked: I don't use a login manager
[10:12] <conor> joe3k: nameserver 192.168.1.254
[10:12] <conor> ^^thats it
[10:13] <joe3k> conor: well doesn't look like ipv6
[10:13] <conor> :_(
[10:13] <conor> more god damn problems
[10:13] <gtwy> interesting ip to have your dns on...
[10:13] <conor> conor@conor-desktop:~$ ip a | grep inet6
[10:13] <conor>     inet6 ::1/128 scope host
[10:13] <conor>     inet6 fe80::215:f2ff:fe77:3005/64 scope link
[10:13] <conor> ^^^any help ?
[10:13] <jeff_> Hi, all
[10:14] <conor> gtwy: its default from the router
[10:14] <cox377> dual boot anyone?
[10:14] <gtwy> what is the ip of the router
[10:14] <joe3k> conor: well i've something similar and can't complain
[10:14] <jeff_> Hey, I get an error message trying to get the NVidia drivers up and running on a new Edgy installation.
[10:14] <conor> really slow internet ?
[10:14] <conor> when its fine in xp
[10:15] <joe3k> cox377: what's your problem with dual boot?
[10:15] <jeff_> It says to make sure I've installed the driver for my running kernel, and according to the package manager, it looks like I have it installed.
[10:15] <joe3k> cox377: setup win on the primary partition and then install linux
[10:15] <cox377> joe3k: well no probs
[10:15] <cox377> joe3k: just never done it
[10:15] <jeff_> Anyone know what package I'm missing?
[10:15] <joe3k> cox377: windows usually has problems when it's not on the very first partition
[10:16] <joe3k> jeff_: seems like you're compiling
[10:16] <jeff_> looks like I have nvidia-kernel-common (that was installed automatically)
[10:16] <joe3k> conor: can you try somethinkg like dig www.google.com or ping www.google.com
[10:17] <cox377> joe3k: ok, so install windows, install linux on the next partition.. say 10gb then...?
[10:17] <jeff_> joe3k: not that I know of.  THe command I'm running is sudo nvidia-glxpconfig enable
[10:17] <joe3k> conor: to find out whether it's the dns or actually the packet transfer
[10:17] <joe3k> jeff_: ahh ok, then i haven't said anything :-/
[10:18] <joe3k> jeff_: you have the correct restricted modules and nvidia-glx?
[10:18] <joe3k> cox377: 10gb for what? how much place do you have?
[10:18] <cox377> well the linux partition, just taking a random number
[10:19] <cox377> say 80gig windows 80gig linux then
[10:19] <cox377> then when u reboot what happens?
[10:19] <joe3k> cox377: first you install win
[10:19] <jeff_> joe3k: I think so, but I'm not sure.  I'm coming from Mandriva, where I used NVidia's packages.  I just tried modprobe nvidia, and the module didn't load, giving the following error: Not loading nvidia module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:19] <joe3k> cox377: after installing linux you will have a bott mgr sitting in mbr
[10:19] <joe3k> cox377: that will ask you to choose the system to boot upon every start
[10:20] <cox377> as easy as that?
[10:20] <swami> hmm  i have a friend that uses the debian and he has  this problem with the xgl/beryl .....the cube apears white....just white///no texture...do u know something about that...
[10:20] <joe3k> cox377: yep
[10:20] <swami> any oane know something about that
[10:20] <swami> ?
[10:20] <jeff_> joe3k: so perhaps I need to change 'nv' to 'nvidia' in my xorg.conf, then try the original command (iwhich came from the nvidia-glx package description)
[10:20] <swami> hmm  i have a friend that uses the debian and he has  this problem with the xgl/beryl .....the cube apears white....just white///no texture...do u know something about that...
[10:20] <joe3k> cox377: the linux installers will usually detect the win and add it automatically to the boot options
[10:20] <cox377> joe3k: ahhh cool, the main reason i asked was back in the FC3 days it was much more complicated. Ive already got windows installed on a certain box and really want to try another linux on it
[10:21] <cox377> joe3k: just gotta work out how risky it shall be
[10:21] <cox377> joe3k: ;)
[10:21] <swami> offtopic
[10:21] <derekho55> does anybody have "Incorrect size of shared memory area. Incompatible driver version?
[10:21] <joe3k> cox377: well i didi it more times and somehow it always worked already with mdk7.2 iirc :)
[10:21] <derekho55> Does anybody have problems with synclient with Edgy ?
[10:22] <joe3k> jeff_: i think that's actually what the nvidia-glx-config enable should do
[10:22] <joe3k> cox377: actually nothing terrible should happen, event if it does not get recognized you can still add the mbr entries later
[10:23] <jeff_> joe3k: yeah, i just made the change with nano, and it looks like it checks the md5 sum of the xorg config, but when I went to edit it, it was set at nv.  I think I can puzzle through the rest of this.  I'm getting strings I can pull at.  Thanks for listening.
[10:23] <joe3k> jeff_: try dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules*
[10:23] <cox377> joe3k: i'm just watching a little video on google, something about creating a swap drive before installing ubuntu
[10:24] <joe3k> jeff_: then uname -a and compare ....
[10:24] <joe3k> jeff_: btw i had such problem on the dapper when i didn't have all repos correctly set up
[10:24] <joe3k> jeff_: linux upgraded because of security update and the restricted modules not (false repos setup)
[10:25] <joe3k> jeff_: then the old nvidia mod didn't want to load because of new kernel
[10:25] <jeff_> joe3k: actually, I think I'm good.  I'll write your advice down, but I just got what looked like satisfactory results from the original command.  Now I need to restart X.  Thanks for your help, though
[10:25] <joe3k> cox377: hmmm i think the installer should do it automatically
[10:25] <cox377> joe3k: ok cool, it did look like maybe it was an older video
[10:26] <joe3k> cox377: you know something about linux and partitioning?
[10:26] <cox377> joe3k: ummm i've been using kubuntu for about 5 months now as my main machine, but apart from using it i havent really got into that much detail
[10:27] <joe3k> cox377: well usually you get two options in the installer - automatic and manual setup
[10:27] <joe3k> cox377: automatic should do everything well but i usually setup it manually so i can't tell how well it does its job :)
[10:28] <joe3k> cox377: anyway you usually need at least two partitions for linux, swap and root (/)
[10:29] <cox377> joe3k: is there a command to configure audio, just booted the dreamlinux cd and no audio under my soundblaster
[10:29] <cox377> joe3k: it's debian based
[10:30] <Dr_willis> alsa<tab> perhaps
[10:30] <joe3k> cox377: not sure, but you can try to load the driver per hand ....
[10:30] <joe3k> cox377: what sb do you have?
[10:31] <cox377> Ummm
[10:31] <cox377> joe3k: good question, soundblaster 5.1 basic one
[10:31] <joe3k> cox377: ehm :) try lspci
[10:32] <Varjat_by> HI! Is anybody know how to fix problem during LIRC driver compilation process. Error is "/bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: No such file or directory"?
[10:33] <fran> hi
[10:33] <cox377> joe3k: good thinking, it's strange, every other live distro i've ever tried worked straight out of the box, cheers anyway
[10:35] <joe3k> cox377: if you have sb live or similar emu10k based i could help you i have one myself ;-)
[10:37] <cox377> joe3k: doh, my mistake, i played around with the sound levels and it just started working.. very stange
[10:37] <cox377> Cheers anyway ;)
[10:37] <joe3k> cox377: np ;-)
[10:38] <dr0fnax> !xgl
[10:38] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:39] <cox377> joe3k: maybe i spoke to soon, worked with google video but no when playing a media file, and it is the same as yours. however i'm wondering if it's a codec prob.. 2 ticks
[10:40] <cox377> joe3k: error:"could not open/initilize audio device
[10:40] <cox377> joe3k: did yours work out of the box?
[10:41] <guiden> What is it that decide which programs should be in the K menu? How do find out how the k menu works?
[10:41] <BluesKaj> oops. my desktop is suddenly huge ...Monitor Display & System Settings could not be loaded , an orphaned control module ...what gives ?
[10:41] <joe3k> joe3k: can't remember i installed mine maybe 4 yrs ago and didn't have to tamper with it since
[10:42] <snowice> Question from a new user that converted from debian. I'm very happy with kubuntu, but how is it possible that a package in a stable release has missing dependencies? I'm talking about kdar. It can easily be solved by installing it manually, but isn't there anyone that can correct the repositories?
[10:43] <Dr_willis> guiden,  theres a lot of SOMTHING.desktop files that tye system scans for and puts them in the menus. I belive
[10:43] <joe3k> cox377: do you have snd_emu10k1 loaded? (lsmod)
[10:45] <cox377> joe3k: ummm sorry mate, whats that?
[10:45] <joe3k> snowice: post a bug report please
[10:45] <guiden> Dr_willis: Ok, but I feel like I have no control over what programs is installed, what they are and stuff
[10:46] <joe3k> joe3k: !kdar
[10:46] <eilker> i have this in xorg.log                     The directory "/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist.
[10:46] <joe3k> wth
[10:46] <joe3k> !kdar
[10:46] <snowice> joe3k, ok, I will check the bug reports and file one if it's not done already
[10:46] <ubotu> kdar: archive data to disc. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 1268 kB, installed size 2212 kB
[10:46] <clau85> hi! are there any other bigger differences between dapper and edgy other than the ones on the site?
[10:46] <cox377> joe3k: looking on the net it's asking to add these two lines into the kernal
[10:46] <cox377> joe3k: "
[10:46] <cox377> device sound
[10:46] <cox377> 	   device snd_emu10k1
[10:46] <joe3k> cox377: type lsmod in the console and check
[10:47] <joe3k> snowice: edgy or dapper?
[10:48] <cox377> joe3k: says used by zero
[10:48] <joe3k> cox377: well but it's there ... and do you see a bunch of other snd_.. modules as well?
[10:48] <cox377> yup
[10:49] <cox377> joe3k:
[10:49] <Morrissey> Ok, I have two questions concerning beryl. 1. Can I make windows only show on the desktop they are opened it on the taskbar? So if "xchat" is on one desktop, it doesnt appear on other. 2. how can I disable transperancy (Since its slowing my computer). In advance, thanks
[10:49] <cox377> joe3k: whats weird, any audio that comes from firefox works, but everytime i try playing a media file locally it says please configure your soundcard
[10:50] <snowice> joe3k, it's in edgy and there is already a confirmed bug report https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdar/+bug/62699
[10:50] <guiden> does ubuntu have the biggest community or is it debian or redhat?
[10:51] <Dr_willis> Morrissey,  thats a kde Taskbar setting - so yes. :)  if by 'show' you mean show up in the taskbar.
[10:51] <Morrissey> Dr_willis, exacly :) Where can I set that?
[10:51] <joe3k> snowice: seems hobbsee updated the packages the last time, maybe you can ask her to fix it
[10:51] <Dr_willis> right click on the taskbar habndel and look in its settings.. where else. :)
[10:51] <cox377> guiden: definatly has the best support
[10:51] <Dr_willis> the little ::::::::: bar at the left of the taskbar
[10:52] <Dr_willis> "show windows from all desktops"
[10:52] <Morrissey> Dr_willis, it actually looks like xgl has disabled that
[10:52] <Dr_willis> Morrissey,  no idea. I dont use xgl. dont plan on ever using it.
[10:52] <snowice> joe3k, how do I contact this person?
[10:53] <joe3k> cox377: what program do you use for the audio?
[10:54] <swami> xmms
[10:54] <joe3k> snowice: she's usually around here and on #kubuntu-devel but she's afaik from australia so you gotta figure some reasonable time :)
[10:55] <Dr_willis> its like 4 AM down there isent it?
[10:55] <guiden> cos377: ok, yeah I liked the community documentation, easy and straight forward
[10:55] <snowice> joe3k, thanks, if I see her, I'll ask her :-)
[10:55] <joe3k> snowice: you can find a contact in the bugreport as well, just look at the lower left part "Current release" and click on the Creator: xxx name
[10:56] <joe3k> joe3k: i was told it's usual to ask the creator first :) if it won't work just ask at #kubuntu-devel
[10:57] <joe3k> Dr_willis: hmmm i'd say 7am
[10:58] <cox377> joe3k: well i tried mplayer & xmms
[10:58] <snowice> joe3k, thanks,
[10:58] <guiden> anyone that has played armagetron?
[10:58] <joe3k> joe3k: np
[10:59] <guiden> is it good?
[10:59] <guiden> Like the movie I guess :P
[10:59] <joe3k> cox377: if you fire mplayer from command line you should see a lot of output maybe that could help
[10:59] <joe3k> cox377: do you have a 2nd sound card or tv tuner or ... ?
[11:00] <joe3k> guiden: it's this gl stuff isn't it
[11:00] <ubuntu> hey
[11:00] <ubuntu> what's the dif btwn unbuntu and kubuntu ?
[11:01] <robotgeek> ubuntu: ubuntu uses gnome, and kubuntu uses kde
[11:01] <cox377> joe3k: nope, only onboard sound but thats disabled in bios,
[11:01] <cox377> joe3k: its worked under all over live cd's
[11:02] <ubuntu> which one is better for server apps ?
[11:02] <joe3k> guiden: can try it it was not that bad ... i'm not playing it now, but ymmv
[11:02] <joe3k> guiden: now i'll stick rather to bzflag ;-)
[11:03] <joe3k> cox377: well debugging sound probs if it's not automatically correctly set up can be a lot of fun
[11:04] <joe3k> cox377: you'll probably have to stick to cmd line to find something out .... i'd try eg "mplayer filename"
[11:07] <cox377> joe3k: alright mate, cheers for that
[11:07] <guiden> No! My computer gets stuck when the right after I the match begins in armagetron,
[11:08] <guiden> Something was out of range, I think my graphic card is wierd
[11:10] <Horst> yeah waZz up boys 'n girls?
[11:11] <Morrissey> anyone using KDE and Ubuntu?
[11:11] <Morrissey> I mean
[11:11] <Morrissey> hehe, using KDE and XGL/BERYL?
[11:12] <joe3k> Morrissey: still probs with your user
[11:12] <joe3k> ?
[11:13] <Morrissey> joe3k, nah, got beryl to work (!) :) Its sweet ... but I want to make so that windows on a different dekstop doesnt show on my current desktops taskbar .. if you know what I mean :)
[11:13] <Morrissey> so if amarok is on desk2, it doesnt show on desk1's taskbar
[11:13] <joe3k> Morrissey: eeehm not sure if it's possible
[11:14] <joe3k> Morrissey: heard that beryl implements the virtual desktops the other way eg kde/gnome/other win mgrs do
[11:14] <Morrissey> yeah, heard that too
[11:14] <Morrissey> to bad it doesnt support that ... thats the whole idea of several desktops, isnt it :)
[11:15] <joe3k> Morrissey: i don't use taskbar so i wouldn't mind either :)
[11:15] <joe3k> Morrissey: but you're actually right :)
[11:16] <guiden_> ah, now I can't even start it
[11:16] <guiden_> damn opengl
[11:16] <joe3k> guest_: watch out otherwise you won't be able to boot in a few minutes ;-)
[11:18] <joe3k> Morrissey: btw do you have an nvidia? if yes what drivers do you have? the official 96xx or prerelease 97xx?
[11:19] <Morrissey> joe3k, have ati
[11:19] <Morrissey> actually :)
[11:19] <Morrissey> I get about 230frames/seconds with beryl too ..
[11:19] <joe3k> oh
[11:19] <joe3k> quite a lot :)
[11:19] <Morrissey> with a 64mb DDR card
[11:19] <Morrissey> I know
[11:19] <Morrissey> impressed
[11:20] <cox377> joe3k: just one last question, does it matter if u install linux as a dual boot if it's on another harddrive?
[11:20] <joe3k> when i tried it way back with xgl i just couldn't get used to the wobbly stuff
[11:20] <cox377> joe3k: i've got a partition on another hdd that would be perfect
[11:21] <joe3k> cox377: that should do but you have to decide how you want to boot it
[11:21] <cox377> joe3k: what do u mean?
[11:21] <joe3k> cox377: well the boot seq is usually bios->mbr code->os
[11:21] <cox377> joe3k: ahhh ok i think i get u, is it risky business?
[11:22] <joe3k> cox377: you need to install the grub/lilo somewhere
[11:22] <eilker> !netcat
[11:22] <ubotu> netcat: TCP/IP swiss army knife. In component main, is important. Version 1.10-32 (edgy), package size 64 kB, installed size 228 kB
[11:22] <joe3k> cox377: if you install on the 2nd hdd you'll have to choose via bios to boot from the 2nd hdd
[11:22] <cox377> joe3k: saying that i do have vista installed on another hdd and it worked fine, or would it be differnet with linux
[11:22] <joe3k> cox377: if you install on the first hdd it'll just stay there even if you uninstall linux
[11:23] <joe3k> cox377: hmmm and how did you boot it?
[11:23] <cox377> joe3k: it just came up as an option during boot XP or vista
[11:24] <joe3k> cox377: and if you remove the vista hdd you still have the vista option during boot?
[11:24] <wildchild> !samba
[11:24] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:25] <eilker> !sleep
[11:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sleep - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:25] <cox377> joe3k: ummm not sure about that, never disconnected it, theres quite a few hdd's in the box
[11:25] <Ick> how do i get libdvdcss
[11:25] <Ick> ?
[11:26] <zorglu_> !codec | lck
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:26] <zorglu_> !codecs | lck
[11:26] <ubotu> lck: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:26] <joe3k> Ick: http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.9/deb/
[11:27] <zorglu_> joe3k: it is no more in multiverse/universe ?
[11:27] <joe3k> cox377: hmmmm in that case you should be carefull probably not to mess up your current boot screen
[11:27] <joe3k> zorglu_: not sure if it's the right one
[11:27] <zorglu_> !info libdvdcss
[11:27] <ubotu> Package libdvdcss does not exist in any distro I know
[11:27] <joe3k> liar
[11:27] <joe3k> :)
[11:28] <cox377> joe3k: think i'm gonna add another partion to the primary drive : P
[11:28] <joe3k> cox377: wait a minute
[11:28] <cox377> joe3k: ok
[11:28] <zorglu_> !libdvdcss
[11:28] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:28] <joe3k> zorglu_: there is one for sure
[11:28] <zorglu_> yep :)
[11:28] <joe3k> zorglu_: but i think i did recently fresh dapper install and it didn't work
[11:29] <joe3k> zorglu_: i had to download
[11:29] <joe3k> zorglu_: though i may have messed up something
[11:29] <zorglu_> yep this is normal, css is not shipped by default for legal reason
[11:29] <joe3k> zorglu_: exactly :)
[11:30] <cox377> joe3k: what do u rekon mate?
[11:30] <joe3k> cox377: i'm not 100% sure how the win handles this boot screen
[11:31] <joe3k> cox377: whether it's on mbr or on the win partition
[11:31] <joe3k> cox377: if it's on mbr and you install linux there your boot screen will be lost
[11:31] <cox377> because of the different HDD?
[11:31] <cox377> between vista?
[11:31] <joe3k> cox377: well :)
[11:31] <joe3k> cox377: i'll try to explain
[11:32] <cox377> joe3k: it doesnt matter if i loose the xp/vista boot screen
[11:32] <joe3k> cox377: ok then
[11:32] <joe3k> cox377: anyway it goes like this
[11:33] <joe3k> cox377: your bios boots from hdd1/hdd2/hddwhatever
[11:33] <joe3k> cox377: this means that it loads the code from the mbr and starts it
[11:33] <cox377> joe3k: ok
[11:33] <joe3k> cox377: the code in the mbr usually contains the "os chooser"
[11:33] <joe3k> cox377: and this one loads then the os itself
[11:34] <joe3k> cox377: so now you have probably the win "chooser" sitting in mbr of the hdd1
[11:34] <joe3k> cox377: if you install linux it depends on the installer
[11:34] <joe3k> cox377: a dirty installer will just overwrite the hdd1 mbr wout asking and put in the options every os he finds
[11:35] <joe3k> cox377: smart installer will let you choose between mbr on hdd1 and hdd2
[11:35] <cox377> joe3k: what about if i re-partition the primary drive, or does the problem lie with vista/xp option?
[11:35] <cox377> joe3k: ummm dirty instaler? smart installer?
[11:35] <joe3k> cox377: it's the coexistence of win/linux
[11:35] <joe3k> cox377: i don't know how this the *ubuntu installer handles
[11:36] <cox377> joe3k: well it's actually "dreamlinux" does that make a difference?
[11:37] <joe3k> cox377: if you install the linux boot loader onto mbr@hdd2 you will surely not corrupt your win boot loaders but you'll have to choose in bios to boot from hdd2
[11:37] <cox377> joe3k: ok, what about if i just re-partition the hdd1 drive?
[11:37] <joe3k> cox377: sorry i never installed that one
[11:38] <cox377> joe3k: it's debian based, or does that not matter
[11:38] <cox377> joe3k: think i'm just gonna re-partition hdd1
[11:38] <joe3k> cox377: if it's no a problem for you then install onto hdd2 and install the boot loader on hdd1
[11:38] <joe3k> cox377: you don't need to repartition hdd1
[11:39] <joe3k> cox377:  if you're happy with your win boot screens gone, than it doesn't matter whether your linux will be sitting on hdd1 or hdd2
[11:40] <cox377> joe3k: ok cool, how do i install the boot loader on hdd1?
[11:41] <joe3k> cox377: the installer will usually ask
[11:42] <cox377> ok sweet
[11:42] <Dr_willis> a lot of live cd installers and other not so smart installers dont. :(
[11:42] <joe3k> that would be the dirty one i tried to mention
[11:42] <joe3k> Dr_willis: you know what the debian one does?
[11:42] <cox377> joe3k: ok so just install to HDD2 and tell it to put the boot loader on hdd1, and the swap thing should do itself
[11:43] <Dr_willis> I think the debian text installer and the ubuntu alternative (text) isntaller asks
[11:43] <joe3k> cox377: again the installer should be smart enough to set up swap for you
[11:43] <Dr_willis> Im not so suire the ubuntu live cd asks
[11:43] <joe3k> i think cox377 wants dreamlinux
[11:44] <cox377> joe3k: well i've got both this kubuntu machine and the other one infront of me, if thinks go wrong i can ask
[11:44] <cox377> :P
[11:44] <joe3k> cox377: should it ever asks silly questios about size, etc a rule of thumb is 2 x your ram
[11:44] <joe3k> cox377: for the swap
[11:45] <joe3k> ok so good luck
[11:45] <Dr_willis> heh - thats OLD skool thinking.
[11:45] <joe3k> yep :)
[11:45] <cox377> joe3k: lol ok cool
[11:46] <Dr_willis> I tend to put 512mb swap  on my 2gb ram systems.. just in case
[11:46] <joe3k> Dr_willis: me the same i have 1,25gb ram and maybe 512swap
[11:46] <Dr_willis> i also tend to keep a 512mb swap partition on all my machines.. just in case i use a live cd on them. it can find it.
[11:46] <Dr_willis> even my windows box's have a 512mb swap partition 'just in case'
[11:46] <joe3k> Dr_willis: but if you'd have 256 or 512 mb ram you would make it probably bigger ;-)
[11:47] <Dr_willis> 640K of ram is enough for everyone!
[11:47] <guiden_> Is there a way that I can change a download server during an installation
[11:47] <guiden_> the
[11:47] <guiden_> It's going to slow
[11:47] <joe3k> yeah and my sinclair had 48k
[11:49] <h> Hello, I understand this is the place we can ask Ubuntu support questions, is that correct?
[11:50] <joe3k> h: actually yes, but more of a kubuntu
[11:50] <Dr_willis> joe3k,  you had a uber-sinclare then!
[11:51] <joe3k> Dr_willis: the rubber one
[11:51] <joe3k> h: what is your poblem?
[11:51] <Dr_willis> I got a Sinclare 1000 hanging on the wall.
[11:51] <BluesKaj> after attempting to get beryl to work I uninstalled it ... i tried to reinstall the fglrx driver but was only partially successful , now have a HUGE Desktop res looks like it 640x480 and orphaned control modules in the System settings /Monitor and Display ...any ideas how to fix this ?
[11:51] <h> ok, I was wondering if anyone knows how to add support for reading and writing to an external hard drive that is formatted with the Mac OS Extended filesystem?
[11:51] <Dr_willis> thats actually a LOW desktop res BluesKaj  :)
[11:52] <joe3k> Dr_willis: don't know that one
[11:52] <BluesKaj> yes Dr_willis, low res large size
[11:52] <Dr_willis> joe3k,  littel bity thing about the size of a small paperback book. plastic/membrane keys.  4K of ram I think. :)
[11:53] <BluesKaj> well, what about getting rid of orphaned modules so i canaccess the Monitor and display settings ?
[11:53] <joe3k> h: i'm not sure, did you simply try 'mount'?
[11:54] <h> (I hear the trick is to build a Kernel and while doing that, be sure to enable hfs support.  that's from the Gentoo people.  So, I thought there might be a way to use the Ubuntu package manager and just get it.)
[11:54] <Dr_willis> lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/fs/hfs/hfs.ko
[11:55] <Dr_willis> Looks like HFS modules are there in the default edgy install.
[11:55] <BluesKaj> ryanakca, beryl din't work for my system ...now I've got orphaned control module and Monitor and Display can't be loaded in sys/settings ...what to do ?
[11:55] <h> Dr_Willis, what do I need to do to enable that feature in Ubuntu?  (hfs support, I mean)?
[11:55] <ryanakca> Monitor and Display is a know bug...
[11:55] <joe3k> h: should work automatically
[11:56] <ryanakca> BluesKaj: no?
[11:56] <Dr_willis> h its a filesystem module.. its allready enabled.. mount the drive
[11:56] <ryanakca> BluesKaj: what's your card?
[11:56] <joe3k> h: if the modules are there as Dr_willis says
[11:56] <h> in ither words, I don't know what the edgy install is.
[11:56] <joe3k> h: do you know the mount command?
[11:56] <BluesKaj> AtI xpress 200 onboard
[11:56] <h> I nount the drive, and start transferring files, and encounter numberous errors.
[11:56] <Horst22> yeah... i was in casino right now
[11:57] <joe3k> h: like?
[11:57] <h> I can never seem to get a file to transfer completely without problems...
[11:57] <Dr_willis> joe3k,  its like pulling teeth some day aint it...
[11:57] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:57] <h> I'll try to replicate it, hand on...
[11:57] <h> hang on i mean
[11:57] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:58] <joe3k> Dr_willis: :) was already worse :)
[11:58] <ryanakca> BluesKaj: and you installed XGL?
[11:59] <joe3k> h: there are mount options for hfs
[11:59] <BluesKaj> yeah
[11:59] <eilker> !shrink
[11:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shrink - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:00] <h> joe3k, what do you mean?
[12:01] <joe3k> h: you can alter the way the partition is mounted
[12:01] <joe3k> h: but first paste 1-2 errors please
[12:02] <h> joe3k, ok, I'm working on it... it's being good while you and the Doctor are watching
[12:02] <h> Error "I/O error" while copying "/media/Sq...es/3Nov06".
[12:02] <joe3k> o-oh
[12:03] <h> Error "I/O error" while copying "/media/Squ...0_25Oct06".
[12:03] <joe3k> doesn't look like something what can be fixed by mount params
[12:03] <h> Basically, it dies.
[12:04] <joe3k> h: can you please check the output of the 'mount' command and look at the line with your mac os partition
[12:06] <h> joe3k:  I better fill you in here.  The firewire drive is plugged into this PC running Ubuntu.  I was copying files from it to a folder on the desktop that I created.  So I think you mean I need to pull up a terminal (I'm new to linux, but trying to learn quickly)
[12:06] <h> the firewire external is Mas OS Extended   ...filesystem
[12:08] <joe3k> h: yes i mean run 'mount' in terminal
[12:08] <hackeron> hey there - how do I stop gwenview from playing videos or at least stop resetting my volume from 3% to f****** 80%??
[12:09] <h> k, have one up, and what should I look for re: the firewire?
[12:10] <h> oops
[12:10] <h> " /dev/sda3 on /media/Squeaky type hfsplus (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000) "
[12:10] <h> I named the FW drive Squeaky.  That
[12:11] <joe3k> h: looks actually great
[12:11] <h> is only for reference
[12:11] <joe3k> h: do you have dapper or edgy?
[12:11] <tanlaan> hello
[12:11] <h> it should work then
[12:11] <tanlaan> has anyone heard of "mac on linux"?
[12:11] <h> I will see...
[12:11] <robotgeek> tanlaan: i have, i use it
[12:12] <joe3k> h: actually the i/o errors look like some hw problems or problems with the drivers
[12:12] <tanlaan> robotgeek: do you need to have a dual booting computer first off?