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[04:05] does someone who has power want to process that? [04:07] Hobbsee: It just built... It needs to build again? [04:08] https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/277684 [04:08] infinity: ah right, so it just hasnt been published === Hobbsee looks [04:08] Probably publishing as we speak. [04:08] infinity: way cool [04:08] infinity: yep, that will fix the problem [04:09] Spiff. 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[09:21] hey mvo [09:22] still jetlaged, are you? ;) [09:22] a bit, but it gets better [09:23] k [09:23] I was thinking when I've seen upload from you on -changes at 8am already [09:23] :) [09:24] seb128: this time I sleept until 7:30. a bit improvment :) [09:24] yeah, that's good enough ;) === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@88-107-64-195.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@54.Red-88-18-197.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] hey Keybuk [09:57] Keybuk: i was just waiting for you :) [09:57] oh aye? [09:57] morning [09:57] eheh [09:58] nothing fancy.. i just test udev 103 ubuntu3 [09:58] right [09:58] and i noticed an extra "Terminated" in the boot [09:58] it looks like a process that's killed somehow [09:58] yeah, dunno what that is [09:58] ok [09:58] it seems harmless [09:58] I replaced the stupid shell that tried to kill udev (and sometimes failed) with just "pkill" === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A66C28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] but dunno what's printing "Terminated" [09:59] could be that it's killing the shell script it's run from, of course [09:59] AHHH [09:59] that explains another bug actually === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] let me try something [09:59] if you need me to test something just let me know [10:00] i have 2 machines where i can reproduce it [10:02] break=top ... sed -i "s/pkill udev/pkill udevd/" scripts/init-bottom/udev ... ^D [10:05] aha! yes, that fixes my other bug too [10:06] do we now get mail from the buildds for every FTBFS? [10:06] or is this mail sent out in error again? === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0490.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@177.Red-83-54-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:07] Keybuk: testing... [10:08] good morning === nightwish [i=gsn@segfault.kernel-oops.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] Keybuk: yup [10:10] Keybuk: it looks like the debian emacs21 has now a emacs package. should we use this or keep emacs-meta around (emacs-meta has more useful packages like emacs-nox, emacs-el) === GmanAFK [i=gman@nat/sun/x-23947db37fae8f25] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:11] we could probably just add emacs-nox and emacs-el to the debian package [10:13] siretart: It's intentional. [10:14] siretart: And hopefully now correct. [10:15] okay, then I must have missed some announcement about that [10:15] infinity: the FTBFS was btw correct, looks like a bug in the package this time ;) [10:15] I'm just surprised that the buildd tried to build that package at all === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Czubek [n=Damian@azl15.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] siretart: I gave back the world. [10:17] siretart: So, failure notices for all! [10:17] infinity: my INBOX loves you [10:17] And I love your IBOX. Is it free later for dinner? [10:19] ok, this is weird, evolution goes to the bottom of any message that I click on [10:21] It knows you have a fetish for sigs? [10:21] Or maybe it's subtly trying to say "use mutt"? === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] Keybuk: sounds good, I can add this now to the emacs21 package. should I file a bug for removing emacs-meta from feisty then? [10:24] Keybuk: you are using the caret mode (F7) [10:26] mvo: sure [10:26] seb128: ah, yes, turning that off fixes it -- must have hit F7 by accident or something [10:26] what an odd more [10:26] uh, "mode" [10:26] that's an accessibility feature I think === mconnor [n=mconnor@people.mozilla.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:26] infinity: so, err, these build logs [10:26] they go to the uploader? [10:26] not sure if the "scroll to bottom" is part of the feature or a bug in that mode though === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] Keybuk: That's the general theory, yes. Well, to the SPR creator. [10:27] infinity: I see === Keybuk sends them all to /dev/null [10:27] Keybuk: Let me guess, you did a mess of syncs or some such under your name? [10:28] all syncs end up under my name :-/ [10:28] which is why LP thinks I own half the archive] [10:28] Keybuk: Well, see, that's just silly. [10:28] Keybuk: We have we allowed that? :) [10:28] infinity: bad things happened when I used -b lp_archive :) [10:28] LP really needs a real person in that field [10:28] Keybuk: Could have created a person in launchpad for the express purpose. [10:29] could have, didn't seem worth the effort until now [10:29] what does the archive do when two source package build a binary package with the same name? [10:29] that person would still need an e-mail address though [10:29] mvo: picks the one with the higher version [10:29] mvo: If the higher version one is uploaded last, it wins. If the lower version one is uploaded last, it's rejected. [10:29] clever archive [10:31] this is the right thing, as it ensures that whatever wins is what would be downloaded onto user's machines === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:31] (assuming both were visible to APT) === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F5F31.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.3.108.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] Keybuk: did you change something in upstart in feisty? [10:44] fabbione: no, hasn't changed yet -- why? [10:45] I've only got as far as the new udev [10:45] Keybuk: a strange behaviour at reboot that i can't see in edgy [10:45] oh? === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] basically /etc/init.d/rgmanager stop is running and waiting for some stuff to close down and the machine just rebooted [10:46] Keybuk: i know for a fact that it takes about 10 secs for that to complete and it was ok in edgy [10:47] what package is rgmanager from? [10:47] Keybuk: what's wrong with the 'katie' LP person? [10:47] cjwatson: I didn't know about that one? [10:47] Keybuk: rgmanager === Zdra [n=zdra@237.235-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] Keybuk: I told you about it ages ago. :) [10:47] Keybuk: but the stuff that's running requires much more to get there [10:48] cjwatson: I never wrote it down then :p === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:56] Keybuk: could you reassign the kickseed product to ubuntu-installer, if I make you a member of that team temporarily? [10:56] cjwatson: not sure what you mean? [10:56] https://launchpad.net/products/kickseed "Registrant: Scott James Remnant" [10:56] oh, I see [10:56] I think I can just do that [10:56] yup, done [10:57] ok, thanks === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === predius [n=predius@201.230.127.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:05] Good morning [11:05] hey pitti [11:05] <\sh> hmm...what is the difference between libvolume-id0 and libvolumeid0 ? (which is in feisties debootstrap template) [11:05] <\sh> moins btw. [11:06] \sh: there's a hyphen in one [11:06] Package rename? [11:06] (That was rhetorical) [11:08] <\sh> infinity: well, I'm just asking, because of libvolumeid0 feisties debootstrap just breaks apart [11:08] \sh: that's just because it's waiting to be removed from the archiev [11:09] <\sh> Keybuk: kk, only a matter of time :) [11:09] let me see whether anything still needs it [11:09] I did the necessary uploads yesterday [11:11] hey pitti! === visit0r [n=visit0r@movietron.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:12] Will remove the following packages from feisty: [11:12] libvolumeid-dev | 093-0ubuntu18 | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc [11:12] libvolumeid0 | 093-0ubuntu18 | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc [11:12] ------------------- Reason ------------------- [11:12] (keybuk) NBS [11:12] ---------------------------------------------- [11:12] \sh: fixed [11:14] /home/lp_archive/ubuntu/indices/override.feisty.main:libvolume-id-dev important admin [11:15] that's so not right :) === cjwatson fixes [11:17] odd, who NEW'd that === Keybuk looks at Mithrandir :) [11:18] Keybuk: he's sick and in bed.... I'll fetch him his laptop [11:18] Simira: it's not important [11:19] Keybuk: it's wrong in the source - put "Priority: extra" in the libvolume-id-dev stanza [11:19] cjwatson: I never bother putting any section or priority in sources [11:19] as they're meaningless and confuse dpkg [11:19] maybe we should institute priority disparity mails at some point :) [11:20] huh? they don't confuse dpkg [11:20] so they're missing entirely and just inherited from the source [11:20] they confuse something [11:20] rubbish [11:20] this is done all the time in Debian [11:20] right, and I used to get dpkg bugs about it all the time [11:20] since dak sends out override disparity mails [11:20] when the control in a package and the Packages file don't match [11:21] putting the right priority in debian/control cannot possibly make anything worse [11:21] one goes in one database file, the other goes in another [11:21] I tend to put no priority in debian/control :p [11:21] you have one in the Source: stanza in udev, which is inherited by all the binaries [11:21] true === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] Keybuk: no, I didn't new that. At least, I'm fairly sure I didn [11:22] 't === Zdra [n=zdra@33.23-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] cjwatson: the problem with automatic mails would be that we change things compared to Debian [11:26] and having an Ubuntu patch just for the section and priority would suck [11:26] it should be filtered to only match -*ubuntu* [11:27] mm [11:28] it's probably inappropriate anyway [11:28] we'd have people merging rather than syncing just for priority [11:32] fabbione: in the server installer, don't we add another serial console getty ? [11:32] It was me that NEWed udev, my bad for not checking the priorities. === Keybuk spanks infinity [11:33] hah, so I'm innocent, for once. === pitti blinks [11:33] libsword-dev(inst 1.5.9-0ubuntu3 ! << wanted 1.5.8.90-1) [11:33] Source-dependencies not satisfied; skipping gnomesword [11:33] 1.5.9 < 1.5.8 ?? [11:34] it wants << 1.5.8.90-1 [11:34] << dependencies are so bogus [11:34] ah, ok, thanks === Rico [n=rjh@chaffinch.netcraft.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] has rodarvus mentioned any plans for resyncing X.Org packages with Sid? === Rico [n=rjh@chaffinch.netcraft.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:36] Keybuk: not automatically.. only if we detect that we are installing on serial console. cjwatson knows where to poke [11:36] right now source packages that build against libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev FTBFS because libGLw.a is missing (but the header files are included) [11:36] cjwatson: which package is that? Could we also detect installing on a ppc hvc0 console? [11:42] Keybuk: rootskel already spots hvc, but finish-install may not [11:42] finish-install is the one that prods init configuration === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:43] Keybuk: do you have such a machine handy? [11:43] crimsun: libGLw was intentionally removed [11:43] cjwatson: right, I noted as much in the changelog by Daniel S. [11:44] building it required having lesstif in main [11:44] ergo it's not a matter of resyncing ...? [11:44] ok, that's all I had to know. thanks. [11:47] cjwatson: I wish ;) if only the nice IBM guys would send me a PS3 for testing [11:50] Keybuk: do you know of someone who does? I assume you have a reason for asking :) [11:50] I need to know what 'stty --file /dev/hvc0 speed' says [11:51] bug #72832 [11:51] Malone bug 72832 in finish-install "no console started on cell machine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/72832 [11:52] replied [11:53] thanks === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:04] Keybuk: i found the reason of the hang [12:04] Keybuk: it was really hidden [12:04] oh? [12:05] https://www.redhat.com/archives/cluster-devel/2006-November/msg00246.html [12:06] it was totally related to the cluster state/consistency [12:06] and it's a rare corner case for clusters [12:06] mvo: should emacs21-common depend on emacs21-common-non-dfsg [12:07] mvo: or undo the split for us === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@200164209253.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fernando__ [n=fernando@gw.conab.gov.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] Keybuk: it seems to me like just adding the dependency is easier from a maintainabliity POV. the emacs21-common-non-dfsg package seems to be not yet in feisty though [12:19] moin all [12:19] mvo: I just uploaded it [12:20] Keybuk: cool, thanks! === mvo hugs Keybuk [12:20] s/uploaded/synced/ [12:20] cjwatson: I sent you that email about preseeding and serial console. apologies I forgot the attachments in the first one so I re-sent it [12:32] Keybuk: what does fake sync mean on kdesdk? presumably something to do with me stupidly forgetting to add an ubuntu1 version number? [12:32] Riddell: orig.tar.gz was different [12:32] of course, if you actually had changes in that package, they're now gone :p [12:32] so you may want to upload an ubuntu2 that restores any previous diff [12:33] ok, thanks [12:33] feisty had 4:3.5.5-2 [12:33] unstable had 4:3.5.5-4 [12:33] therefore I assumed there were no ubuntu changes in feisty, so sync'd it [12:33] yep, my fault [12:33] but the sync failed because our 3.5.5.orig.tar.gz didn't match Debians [12:34] so the upload I did -4ubuntu1 was the Ubuntu orig.tar.gz with the Debian diff.gz [12:34] so if there was anything in our diff.gz, it's gone now [12:34] you may want to fix that === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491F34B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === user__ [n=user@81.58.38.138] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herz1 [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Czubek [n=Damian@azl15.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] spike: thanks, will look later === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-8-202.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] mMMm PS3 CELL hotness /me wishes === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-80-33.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] OK, I give up. Anyone who knows about i18n madness who can help me ? [12:54] ../../../man/po4a/start-stop-daemon.8/po/start-stop-daemon.8.pot [12:54] iwj: ? [12:54] Oops. [12:54] Error: 'msgmerge -U ../../../man/po4a/start-stop-daemon.8/po/ja.po ../../../man/po4a/start-stop-daemon.8/po/start-stop-daemon.8.pot --backup=none' exited with value 1. [12:55] is what I meant. [12:55] So I ran it separately and it said: [12:55] ../../../man/po4a/start-stop-daemon.8/po/ja.po:568:52: invalid multibyte sequence [12:56] iwj: hm, does that line look like Japanese glyphs, or is it really some random gibberish? [12:56] you might need to msgconv -t UTF-8 ja.po [12:56] what would spit out pci and bios errors on boot with the 2.6.19-6 kernel? is that initscripts,upstart or udev? [12:56] IIRC msgmerge doesn't always do that itself [12:57] cjwatson: hmm, but judging by the line number the majority of the file should be okay [12:57] true, it may just be misencoded [12:57] gnomefreak: the kernel itself? [12:57] Just a mo, let me fine a utf-8 capable terminal. [12:58] look up the charset in the .po file header and do iconv -f whatever-the-charset-is -t UCS-4 ja.po >/dev/null and see if it complains [12:58] k [12:58] iwj: can you stick ja.po somewhere? [12:59] iconv is happy. [12:59] http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/d/ja.po [01:00] looks like fuzzy garbage to me [01:00] oh, sorry, UCS-2 not UCS-4 [01:00] $ iconv -f UTF-8 -t UCS-2 ja.po >/dev/null [01:00] iconv: illegal input sequence at position 23049 [01:01] iconv: illegal input sequence at position 23049 [01:01] I'd be inclined to replace those four fuzzy msgstrs at the end with msgstr "" [01:01] they're either not Japanese or not encoded in UTF-8 [01:01] In vim I see garbage, too, also in the next stanza [01:02] Is this something MoM did ? [01:02] iwj: they are marked as fuzzy anyway [01:02] ah, they're EUC-JP [01:02] well, one of them is [01:02] Oh! [01:02] MoM is merging the text but the character set lines will be different. [01:02] Let me check. [01:02] did ja.po change encoding from base to current Debian? [01:03] iwj: MoM often jumbles up po files, did you use the merged result? [01:03] iwj: in general, we don't want a Debian delta in .po files (we have Rosetta and langpacks for that) [01:03] t [01:03] pitti: dpkg isn't subject to language packs [01:03] ah, dpkg [01:04] but we should probably just take the Debian .po files verbatim [01:04] IIRC the last time I touched dpkg we had no relevant changes to them === fsmw [n=Fernando@200.72.33.77] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] I have to admit, when I diffed to generate my `remaining changes' I excluded *.{po,pot}. [01:05] Was that wrong ? [01:05] sounds reasonable; any changes to those would have been purely automatically generated [01:05] Can I force them to be regenerated ? [01:06] why not just cp them from the Debian source package? [01:07] Err, well, I suppose because I thought that if that was generally the right answer MoM would already have done it ... [01:07] .po files contain actual data, so you can't regenerate them from scratch; msgmerge -U is obviously trying to regenerate them, but if it's failing ... [01:07] msgmerge -U => update .po file based on current .pot === apokryphos [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] cjwatson: mmmh, in the "Apt Setup" section from https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/amd64/preseed-contents.html, it mentions the d-i apt-setup/universe boolean true that you suggested me yesterday. Altho multiverse isnt mentioned. is that just missing or it's not there because it's not possible? [01:08] cjwatson: Oh, yes, I remember. Mixture of input and output in the same file. So EBW. [01:08] We should give up on this i18n madness and go back to US-ASCII. [01:08] no, just give up on all non-UTF8 encodings :) [01:08] iwj: the .po files in the current Ubuntu diff have line number references changed and one or two extra strings, so MoM thought it had to merge cleverly === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] iwj: but in practice I don't think there were actually any translations of those extra strings, so we can throw them away and regenerate [01:09] So is the deficiency in MoM that it didn't spot the charset change ? [01:10] If Debian have taken your Breaks change to deb-control.5 then that should be everything === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] No, they haven't. === jsgotangco [n=greatwhi@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] iwj: deficiency> yes, I think so [01:14] it probably needs to apply msgconv before and after merging [01:14] Keybuk: ^-- [01:16] ? === Eons [n=Eons@host-84-221-208-152.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] iwj: the Ubuntu diff definitely had no new translations, so cping the Debian .po files and doing 'make -C man updatepo' should do the job [01:19] Keybuk: the .po merging stuff in MoM needs to msgconv everything to UTF-8 first and then msgconv back to whatever the encoding is supposed to be (probably the encoding on the Debian side) before writing the output file [01:20] how do you know what the encoding is supposed to be? [01:20] the Debian side will be fine [01:20] whatever the Content-Type line there says [01:21] doesn't msgmerge dtrt anyway? [01:21] I thought it did [01:21] Keybuk: any encoding would be better than the mishmash you get at the moment though [01:21] Keybuk: apparently not, and I've seen it get stuff wrong in the past when the files you're merging aren't in the same encoding [01:21] my own scripts msgconv -t UTF-8 first [01:21] for precisely this reason === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] 04:01 Keybuk mdz has a general "I want some way of forcing a driver bind" [01:26] desire which came out of some s3kr3t meeting at UDS [01:26] Keybuk: it wasn't secret, it was ubiquity-driver-updates :) === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [01:31] cjwatson: heh [01:31] Keybuk: why is modules.pcimap still there if it's obsolete? does something still need it for compatibility? [01:32] because it would be a patch to suppress its generation [01:33] it's still necessary for hotplug or grepmap based systems, after all, so the m-i-t maintainer won't drop it yet [01:33] we use modules.alias these days === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:34] Keybuk: so I could remove it from the d-i initrd? [01:34] yup [01:35] we still use ccwmap and inputmap [01:35] only 80K or so saved, but still === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-14-0.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] though in theory we can drop inputmap now === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] in fact, we could probably drop *map and grepmap at this point, looking at it === zORK [n=eclipse@c-66-176-68-228.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] Crazy build systems R us. [01:40] iwj: how did you know I was looking at glibc? === kaptengu [n=kaptengu@c213-100-60-132.swipnet.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] FFS! make clean fails because of fucking i18n braindamage! [01:41] I'm too annoyed. I shall go and have lunch. === geser [n=michael@dialin105037.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] as the Chinese would say, [01:43] iwj: debdiff | filterdiff -x '*.po' ? [01:45] Yes. Or some such. === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === Tonio_ [n=tonio@203.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] what's up with preseeding and raid+lvm? the guide states raid is not possible with preseeding, but doesnt mention lvm. does that mean that's possible? and why is raid a problem? is support for it planned? === Spads [n=spacehob@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] spike: LVM preseeding should work; in edgy you preseed partman-auto-lvm/disk to erase an entire disk and use LVM, and then the usual recipe stuff [02:18] spike: RAID is a problem because until recently it hasn't been integrated into partman in such a way as to allow automatic partitioning. This is being actively worked on in Debian [02:18] any ETA are you aware of? [02:18] no [02:19] cjwatson: k, thanks a lot, I'll look into tit [02:19] I generally refuse to give ETAs anyway :) [02:19] ehehe [02:22] morning === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:26] cjwatson: would it need more than just to sync partman-auto-raid from unstable? [02:27] eh, was about to mention that (just found it) [02:27] that's still under active development and TBH I haven't yet looked it over [02:28] it's extremely new [02:28] plus, I've found https://launchpad.net/products/partman-md === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:28] weeks old :) [02:28] isnt that enough? [02:28] partman-md provides partman with RAID support, but not automatic installation [02:28] oh, ok [02:28] it's not usefully preseedable === spike looks into partman-auto-raid === spike wonders how would that then glue with lvm [02:29] also, look at https://code.launchpad.net/products/partman-md/ - I knew about partman-md ;-) [02:29] yeah ;) [02:29] quite a lot of the basic servers are raid1 + lvm [02:30] my hands are quite tied wrt preseeding if that's not possible [02:30] I guess I could work around it with puppet, since everything is gonna be managed by that anyway [02:31] install a base system like it's already to a single small partition [02:31] so I think you can probably use RAID recipes and the normal recipes together [02:31] then puppet will repartition raid/lvm the rest, copy the data over, and covert that partition as swap [02:31] how does puppet do _that_?-) [02:31] although initial_auto_raid* appear to be after initial_auto in the sequence [02:32] which might hamper that somewhat === Czubek [n=Damian@azl15.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:33] oh, erm, no, it seems to be tied to just putting a filesystem on each md at the moment [02:33] tepsipakki: uhm, what's the problem with that? it would do it the same way you'd do it manually :) [02:33] ok, I'll implement the puppet solution, it's safer anyway [02:33] spike: so it just runs scripts? [02:33] "just" [02:33] (btw, partman-auto-raid will need a bit more than just being synced; I need to hack it up to cope with our partman-auto changes to accept autopartitioning automatically) [02:34] tepsipakki: sure, sfdisk, mdadm, lvmcreate/change/blablabla === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] is alioth.d.o down? [02:38] (if someone knew why it timeouts on me) [02:39] mh [02:39] um, forget that [02:39] I've added d-i apt-setup/local0/repository string deb http://repo.domain/ dapper main to my preseed file [02:40] the box installed fine, but some pkgs are missed. check sources.list and found this: "# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:" [02:40] and the repo commented out [02:40] gpg key for that repo is missing, is that the cause? [02:41] and is there some d-i param to disable the check so my mirror wont get disabled? [02:41] I can only see #d-i apt-setup/local0/key string http://local.server/key to specify one [02:41] but nothing to tell it to not bother checking [02:41] d-i apt-setup/local0/key [02:41] preseed that as well [02:41] with an url to the key [02:42] oh [02:42] eheh :) [02:42] key check sounds plausible [02:42] it needs to have a key [02:42] no way to disable that at the moment short of vile hacks [02:42] (e.g. prodding /target/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ in a post-base-installer.d hook) === coyctecm__ [n=coy@a84-230-215-111.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:43] nm, I'll do the key signing now... [02:43] thing is I'm just testing so I didnt bother [02:44] be sure not to have strings like "contrib" or "non-free" on your repo string :) [02:44] we could change apt-setup to allow you to disable signature checking temporarily, but the thing is that apt would complain later on unless you permanently disabled checking [02:44] which seems suboptimal [02:44] it installs everything in one go [02:44] cjwatson: well, complain != refusing to install packages, so that would do for testing anyway [02:45] but again, I'll just set it up, no worries, thanks [02:45] apt-get update would return non-zero [02:45] malone 56009 [02:45] Malone bug 56009 in apt-setup "generators/90security is trying to add contrib, non-free" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/56009 [02:45] which generally makes stuff object violently [02:45] tepsipakki: oh, yeah, must fix that at some point ... [02:46] heh [02:46] 13:43 < CIA-2> debian-installer: cjwatson * r42868 manual/en/appendix/preseed.xml: note that apt-setup/local* really needs a key [02:46] I fixed it by changing non-free -> restricted :) [02:46] on our own repo [02:47] (and dropped plf) === stratus [n=stratus@cronopio.rits.org.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:48] actually, it would be cool if the local* stuff would be added as files in sources.list.d [02:48] and the sources.list be kept as a vanilla version [02:49] tepsipakki: 56009 fixed in bzr [02:49] cool :) [02:49] haven't decided how to handle sources.list.d in general yet === Czubek [n=Damian@azl15.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:52] Keybuk: re NoUsplashTimeout, is there any way we can detect something trying to read() from the console? [02:52] Keybuk: sort of like the way synaptic spots packages prompting and pops up the terminal [02:52]