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| Keybuk | *yawns* | 01:18 |
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| === AlexExtreme yawns too | ||
| Keybuk | thankfully, it is Friday today | 01:19 |
| AlexExtreme | yup | 01:19 |
| AlexExtreme | is anyone free to add specs for upstart on launchpad? | 01:20 |
| Keybuk | yeah | 01:20 |
| Keybuk | that's why I've moved the specs to the upstart product, and got our own wiki | 01:20 |
| Keybuk | so brain storming doesn't get in the way of ubuntu releases | 01:20 |
| AlexExtreme | ok | 01:20 |
| AlexExtreme | i'll write a spec about profiles later if i get time | 01:21 |
| AlexExtreme | Keybuk: does this look ok to you? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Profiles | 02:13 |
| AlexExtreme | if so i'll add it on launchpad | 02:13 |
| Keybuk | AlexExtreme: you should probably indicate where the profiles are actually defined | 02:28 |
| Keybuk | and how they're chosen | 02:28 |
| Keybuk | also you need to register the LP entry for it :) | 02:28 |
| AlexExtreme | ok | 02:28 |
| AlexExtreme | i've got a pretty good idea about that | 02:29 |
| AlexExtreme | eww | 02:33 |
| AlexExtreme | "Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad" | 02:34 |
| AlexExtreme | hmm. | 02:34 |
| AlexExtreme | works now | 02:34 |
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| Keybuk | cool | 02:36 |
| Keybuk | (note: we're not using the "release goal" feature) | 02:36 |
| AlexExtreme | oh | 02:38 |
| Keybuk | it's not really useful LP thing at the moment, milestones work better | 02:38 |
| AlexExtreme | ok | 02:39 |
| AlexExtreme | ok, i've added more stuff to the design section | 02:40 |
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| Keybuk | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/JobsAsStates | 03:14 |
| AlexExtreme | looks good | 03:18 |
| AlexExtreme | btw, could you set a priority for the profiles spec? lp won't let me | 03:19 |
| Keybuk | I'd like someone to write the competing "Flags" spec as well | 03:20 |
| Keybuk | as there needs to be a decision about which route to follow | 03:20 |
| AlexExtreme | k | 03:21 |
| AlexExtreme | damn, the weather in this country sucks. there's nothing like a good old rain shower to make you feel even better when doing boring coursework. | 03:30 |
| wasabi_ | Jobs as states doesn't appear to differ in anyway from how it works currently: implicite start/stop events for a job | 03:32 |
| wasabi_ | also: good morning | 03:32 |
| AlexExtreme | morning wasabi_ | 03:33 |
| AlexExtreme | wasabi_: jobs as states means that you can have a job without a exec/respawn/script | 03:33 |
| wasabi_ | Keybuk: Are you going to be writing down our thai conversation? If not I might be able to get some time this afternoon to put it down. | 03:33 |
| wasabi_ | AlexExtreme: Oh, missed that one little word "without" | 03:34 |
| AlexExtreme | :) | 03:34 |
| wasabi_ | still need the basic state machine syntax put down in writing then | 03:34 |
| Keybuk | yeah, plan to do that in a bit | 03:35 |
| Keybuk | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/JobStates | 03:53 |
| Keybuk | ^ does that read about right? | 03:54 |
| Keybuk | (the unwritten intent being, obviously, that post-start is run in the "starting" state and pre-stop run in the "stop" state | 03:55 |
| AlexExtreme | it sounds ok to me | 03:57 |
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| yankees26 | that was odd (i couldn't reconnect) | 03:58 |
| AlexExtreme | just one comment on this: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/JobsAsStates - shouldn't it say "A job without either an exec, script or respawn" rather than "A job without either an exec or script" ? (yes, i'm being picky :P) | 03:58 |
| yankees26 | was my question answered while i was gone? | 03:59 |
| AlexExtreme | yankees26: which question? | 03:59 |
| Keybuk | AlexExtreme: respawn is syntatic sugar. I tend to ignore it | 03:59 |
| AlexExtreme | ah ok | 03:59 |
| yankees26 | the return N_("stop") over return "stop" | 03:59 |
| Keybuk | respawn ... just means respawn\nexec ... | 04:00 |
| yankees26 | 'cause N_ would just return "stop" | 04:00 |
| AlexExtreme | yankees26: you lagged out so we probably didn't get it | 04:00 |
| yankees26 | ah | 04:00 |
| yankees26 | well in job.c in const char* functions, it returns N_("the string"); | 04:01 |
| yankees26 | and N_ is just a macro that returns "the string" so why not just do return "the string"; | 04:02 |
| AlexExtreme | weno | 04:02 |
| AlexExtreme | *no | 04:02 |
| AlexExtreme | N_ performs localization | 04:02 |
| yankees26 | really? | 04:02 |
| AlexExtreme | afaik, yes | 04:02 |
| yankees26 | 'cause i just see #define N_(_str) (_str) | 04:03 |
| Keybuk | N marks it for localisation | 04:03 |
| Keybuk | e.g. | 04:03 |
| Keybuk | foo () { | 04:03 |
| Keybuk | return N_("the string"); | 04:03 |
| Keybuk | } | 04:03 |
| Keybuk | char *a = foo(): | 04:03 |
| Keybuk | printf ("%s\n", _(a)); | 04:03 |
| Keybuk | it marks the string as likely to be translated | 04:03 |
| Keybuk | where the _(a) actually translates it | 04:03 |
| yankees26 | oh, is this a natural compiler thing? | 04:04 |
| Keybuk | it's a gettext thing | 04:04 |
| yankees26 | or is it 'cause libintl.h and locale.h are included? | 04:04 |
| yankees26 | ah ok | 04:04 |
| yankees26 | upstart can completely replace sysvinit right? (like sysvinit doesnt even need to be installed) | 04:10 |
| Md | right | 04:10 |
| Md | that's the point | 04:10 |
| AlexExtreme | well, you need some utilities from sysvinit if you wish to use the sysvinit compat stuff, but to run a fully upstartized system, you don't need it | 04:10 |
| yankees26 | ah | 04:11 |
| yankees26 | what would be missed from using fully upstartized system? (arent shutdown and reboot apps from the sysvinit compat) | 04:11 |
| AlexExtreme | no, upstart provides it's own | 04:12 |
| yankees26 | ah | 04:12 |
| Keybuk | pidof, killall5, sulogin, last, mesg | 04:13 |
| Keybuk | those are the binaries we still use from sysvinit atm | 04:13 |
| yankees26 | ah | 04:14 |
| yankees26 | well pidof i can mimic easily | 04:14 |
| yankees26 | ps -e | grep app | awk {'print $1'} | 04:14 |
| yankees26 | ( i think thats how) | 04:14 |
| yankees26 | (of course it isnt as safe) | 04:15 |
| yankees26 | cause of grep | 04:15 |
| Md | it would be nice if util-linux were actually maintained, so we could ask the maintainer to accept them there... | 04:15 |
| yankees26 | is efty fully upstartized"? | 04:16 |
| AlexExtreme | no | 04:16 |
| AlexExtreme | feisty will be | 04:16 |
| yankees26 | ah | 04:17 |
| yankees26 | well hopefully i | 04:17 |
| yankees26 | 'll have nirvana done sometime in december and i can actually get to doing LFS with upstart | 04:17 |
| Keybuk | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DaemontoolsUpstartConfig | 04:40 |
| Keybuk | ^ and the award for the most pointless thing in the universe to do goes to ... | 04:40 |
| thom | *giggle* | 04:40 |
| AlexExtreme | ahahaha | 04:40 |
| Keybuk | the last two commands in his "Validate" section kinda prove why you really don't need daemon tools if you have upstart | 04:40 |
| Keybuk | upstart supervising the supervisor | 04:41 |
| AlexExtreme | yeah | 04:41 |
| Keybuk | . o O { upstart-compat-daemontools } | 04:41 |
| yankees26 | me being a dumb idiot has no idea what daemontools does and chooses to ignore it :P | 04:41 |
| thom | well, you'll need some compat bits for daemontools, yeah | 04:41 |
| thom | the way stdout and stderr and proctitling and stuff are handled | 04:42 |
| thom | and logging | 04:42 |
| Keybuk | how does it handled stdout/stderr ? | 04:42 |
| thom | can't remember, i just remember it being funky | 04:43 |
| thom | it's been ~4 years since i last went near daemontools | 04:43 |
| Keybuk | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/ComplexEventConfig | 05:31 |
| Keybuk | ^ wasabi_, et al | 05:31 |
| yankees26 | JobAsState link doesnt work | 05:32 |
| yankees26 | says the page doesnt exist | 05:32 |
| Keybuk | ah, should be JobsAsStates | 05:34 |
| yankees26 | ya | 05:35 |
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