[02:13] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee!
[02:15] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[02:15] <Hobbsee> what broke on feisty?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> repair_feisty_due_to_non_boot++
[02:15] <crimsun> udev.
[02:15] <Hobbsee> fun
[02:15] <crimsun> 103-0ubuntu4 works fine.
[02:16] <crimsun> I had to boot off a Kubuntu 6.06 desktop cd to chroot in to update && upgrade
[02:16] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:16] <Hobbsee> what's the syntax of chrooting?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> i'm about to do that, i' mon edgy now
[02:16] <nixternal> ya, tell me as well
[02:16] <nixternal> i have a broke box too ;)
[02:16] <crimsun> mount the partition, sudo chroot /thatpartition su
[02:16] <Hobbsee> chroot's manual is hopeless
[02:16] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee 
[02:16] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch 
[02:17] <Hobbsee> thanks
[02:17] <crimsun> yw
[02:17] <Hobbsee> the su is to chroot as root, presumably
[02:17] <Hobbsee> yay, updating :)
[02:17] <Hobbsee> at least it's fairly painless when you have another machine
[02:17] <crimsun> well, you could use /bin/bash, too, if you wish; I use that syntax because infinity said so
[02:17] <Hobbsee> ah right
[02:18] <Hobbsee> nixternal: try it, it's a chroot like any other
[02:18] <nixternal> lol
[02:19] <nixternal> how come?
[02:19] <nixternal> dual boot?
[02:19] <Hobbsee> tripple boot
[02:19] <nixternal> hehe
[02:19] <ajmitch> because she is wise in the ways of initramfs
[02:19] <Jucato> hehe :)
[02:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:19] <nixternal> i have a seperate test machine
[02:19] <Hobbsee> bah.  i could....but i dont
[02:19] <nixternal> hahaha..i forgot i booted off of livecd..im like wtf it works now
[02:20] <Hobbsee> way cool!  it's further broken!
[02:20] <nixternal> lol
[02:20] <crimsun> impressive
[02:20] <Hobbsee> very
[02:20] <Hobbsee> it's broken in such a way that i cant immediately see how to fix it, either
[02:21] <ajmitch> nice
[02:21] <ajmitch> what sort of breakage do you see?
[02:22] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee_
[02:22] <Jucato> :P
[02:23] <Hobbsee_> urgh
[02:24] <Hobbsee> crimsun: what do you make of http://pastebin.ca/257188 ?
[02:24] <Jucato> ryanakca is dancing...
[02:24] <nixternal> what is the chroot command to do this Hobbsee ?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> dpkg: error processing cupsys (--configure):
[02:24] <Hobbsee>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[02:24] <Hobbsee>  reinstall it before attempting configuration.
[02:24] <Hobbsee> hah
[02:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: whatever crimsun said above
[02:24] <nixternal> man chroot is about as good as searching for chroot help in my carpet
[02:24] <Hobbsee> so's info chroot
[02:24] <nixternal> ahh
[02:25] <crimsun> Hobbsee: dunno offhand, I purged cupsys a while ago (dapper?)
[02:25] <Hobbsee> right
[02:25] <Hobbsee> *tries purging it, fails*
[02:26] <nixternal> i guess im stupid
[02:26] <Hobbsee> nah, you arent
[02:26] <nixternal> heh
[02:26] <nixternal> ya i am...i was trying to chroot the wrong damn dir
[02:26] <nixternal> chroot was sittin' there telling me im a moron, but i refused to listen ;)
[02:26] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:27] <crimsun> Hobbsee: what does dpkg -D3773 -i [..]   give you?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> crimsun: what's the -D3773 for?
[02:27] <crimsun> lots o' debug spew for maintainer scripts
[02:28] <Hobbsee> ahh
[02:28] <Hobbsee> i take it you want the output?
[02:28] <ajmitch> sounds like Hobbsee broke it good
[02:29] <Hobbsee> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/257196
[02:30] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: indeed
[02:31] <nixternal> Hobbsee: did you get a hal error on that update?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> nixternal: no, update again.  i did yesterday
[02:36] <Hobbsee> well, it does actually boot nwo
[02:36] <nixternal> im getting hal, volumeid depends..all kinds of goofy stuff in chroot
[02:36] <crimsun> that's interesting. Is cupsys even running?
[02:37] <crimsun> (or whatever binar{y,ies} cupsys's initscript invokes)
[02:38] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i doubt it
[02:38] <Hobbsee> oh there we go, it's wokring when booted to it
[02:39] <crimsun> cupsys works now?
[02:40] <crimsun> that's plain strange. cupsys.prerm has nothing of that sort.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> yep, appears to
[02:40] <crimsun> ok, chalk it up to wackiness
[02:42] <nixternal> ya, hal will not install for me
[02:43] <nixternal> dpkg error with it
[02:43] <nixternal> (--unpack)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> nixternal: useless, pastebin it, along with apt-cache policy hal
[02:45] <Hobbsee> nixternal: need more info
[02:46] <nixternal> rebootin' the bugger..my knee/foot hit the power chord
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you broke it!
[02:47] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:47] <Hobbsee>   File "/usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/guidance-power-manager.py", line 39, in ?
[02:47] <Hobbsee>     from qt import QLabel
[02:47] <Hobbsee> ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (initqt)
[02:47] <nixternal> ahh that bugger is back
[02:48] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:49] <crimsun> man, cvsweb makes me weep
[02:50] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33793
[02:50] <crimsun> as does nixternal :-)
[02:50] <nixternal> heh
[02:50] <nixternal> can't help that im a no0b
[02:55] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yay.  still close to nothing :P
[02:56] <nixternal> that will fix it
[02:57] <nixternal> im sick of pressing alt+f7 to start kdm as well on my edgy box
[02:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:01] <crimsun> nixternal: uploaded to feisty.
[03:02] <nixternal> roger dodger
[03:02] <nixternal> thank you sir
[03:06] <nixternal> who's buying dinner?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> you are
[03:33] <nixternal> heh
[03:33] <nixternal> im waiting for my dinner to arrive
[03:33] <nixternal> while i wipe out my test machine
[03:33] <nixternal> at least /dev/hda4
[03:34] <nixternal> can't wipe it all out..i would loose slackware and gnewsense
[03:37] <Hobbsee> kubuntu-devel actually has something on it
[03:37] <nixternal> i see sabdfl upset the opensuse guys a little bit
[03:37] <nixternal> ya, Riddell saying he is going on vacation ;)
[03:38] <nixternal> or holiday as he put it
[03:38] <Hobbsee> yeah....
[03:38] <Hobbsee> seems so
[03:39] <Hobbsee> subscription to tuxmagazine as well, which is interesting - just why do they want my postal address?  what's wrong with pdf's?
[03:40] <nixternal> heh..is it free pdf way or no?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> dunno
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Kubuntu fanboys, Tux magazine, have kindly offered a free subscription
[03:42] <Hobbsee> to their monthly PDF magazine for anyone working on Kubuntu.  If you
[03:42] <Hobbsee> want to sign up, send your name, postal address and e-mail along with
[03:42] <Hobbsee> confirmation that you're in launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-members to 
[03:42] <Hobbsee> tuxmagazine@gmail .com
[03:42] <nixternal> hmmm
[03:42] <nixternal> i didn't notice that
[03:42] <nixternal> i will check again
[03:44] <Hobbsee> i think even their pdf version was going subscription only - dont they only do a pdf one?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> i mean, if they'll insist, i'd just give them a bogus address, because they really dont need to know, and i dont want some random person turning up on my doorstep after finding the address
[03:55] <Hobbsee> is anyone working on basket?
[05:02] <Hobbsee> seaLne: ping?
[08:16] <imbrandon> nixternal: real mature email to the ML, this week was planned well before and of Marks posts etc, Mark used the opertunity to offer a place for them to come if they _were already leaving anyway_ , anyhow I dont particulary care for the fact that you mentioned you will come to interupt me in the talks ( or _anyone_ ) you are as welcome as the next person but I ask you dont come with malitious intent or against the CoC or I wi
[08:23] <Jucato> O.o
[10:44] <freeflying_> Riddell: after rebuilding qt without gcc patch, input method still can not work
[11:48] <pip> Hello,where is the C headers file match the running kernel ?
[11:50] <imbrandon> pip, sudo apt-get install libc6-dev
[11:50] <imbrandon> err
[11:50] <imbrandon> wait
[11:50] <imbrandon> linux-libc-dev
[11:50] <imbrandon> sorry
[11:51] <pip> installed already : )
[11:51] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~$ apt-cache search linux-libc-dev
[11:51] <imbrandon> linux-libc-dev - Linux Kernel Headers for development
[11:51] <crimsun> if he wants to compile external kernel modules, he needs linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:51] <imbrandon> yea
[11:52] <imbrandon> heya crimsun 
[11:52] <fdoving> and those are the one matching the running kernel.. the linux-libc-dev ones does not.
[11:52] <crimsun> 'lo imbrandon 
[11:53] <crimsun> actually linux-libc-dev is generated from linux-source-foo, so they _should_ match the running kernel (just as l-h should)
[11:53] <fdoving> imbrandon: kdepim for feisty patched to fix bug 66313 available at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/kdepim/
[11:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66313 in kdepim "Calendar does not synch with palm device" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66313
[11:54] <imbrandon> fdoving: okies, give me a few to finish this dsl pendrive install ( almost done ) then i'll grab it and check it / upload etc etc etc
[11:54] <imbrandon> fdoving: hehe wasent real motivated today so i decided to play with a usb stick :)
[11:55] <pip> I did not see the linux-libc-dev
[11:56] <imbrandon> depends on the OS too, i'm assuming your on edgy or later
[11:56] <imbrandon> i dont /think/ dapper had that package
[11:56] <imbrandon> i could be wrong though
[11:56] <pip> Dapper
[11:56] <pip> then where is it ?
[11:56] <fdoving> that package is not in dapper.
[11:56] <imbrandon> then you need linux-headers-*
[11:57] <imbrandon> for dapper
[11:57] <pip> * = all of the versions ?
[11:57] <imbrandon> no no
[11:57] <imbrandon> uname -r
[11:57] <pip> OK
[11:57] <imbrandon> e.g. what crimsun said or "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[11:58] <imbrandon> iirc thats the only package with them on dapper ( there might be a meta package "linux-headers" but i'm not 100% )
[11:59] <fdoving> there are meta packages named linux-headers-386, linux-headers-server etc.
[11:59] <imbrandon> ahh right
[12:00] <kwwii> moin imbrandon
[12:00] <imbrandon> heya kwwii 
[12:01] <imbrandon> hows it going >
[12:01] <kwwii> good, the branding meeting is well underway
[12:01] <kwwii> you?
[12:01] <fdoving> imbrandon: when you've done the feisty check&upload, you can check the packages i've planed for edgy-sru, don't upload yet, just check: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/edgy/updates/kdepim-proposed/ 
[12:01] <imbrandon> fdoving: sure
[12:01] <kwwii> the next catch phrase "KDE - the desktop Brandon made!"
[12:02] <imbrandon> kwwii: bored :)
[12:02] <imbrandon> kwwii: hahahaha
[12:02] <imbrandon> man i'm kinda skeptical now about the mark letter and such, i have mixed feelings
[12:03] <kwwii> don't worry, we are all in the same boot
[12:03] <kwwii> boat
[12:03] <imbrandon> i think it was a good idea, just done in the wrong way
[12:03] <imbrandon> yea
[12:03] <kwwii> in the meantime, I am actually kinda used to waiting
[12:03] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:03] <imbrandon> true that
[12:04] <imbrandon> well i said i would give a kubuntu "talk" i dident know it was going to be so "targeted"
[12:04] <imbrandon> so i'm uhhhh now _I_ get to take heat ( as its the day _before_ marks q & a 
[12:04] <imbrandon> lol
[12:04] <kwwii> lol
[12:05] <imbrandon> but oh well , i guess you live and learn, it will all work out in the end ( i hope )
[12:05] <kwwii> yeah, that has been my working theory until now, and it has proven well
[12:05] <imbrandon> :)
[12:06] <imbrandon> btw i did some code updates that art.u.c and art.k.o can have seperate image themes if you ever feel like kicking something up there ( totaly upto you, its really on my back burner right now but thought i would mention it )
[12:07] <imbrandon> just one of those things if you get a wild hair, if not cool , if so kick ass :)
[12:07] <kwwii> killer, I'll get to work on that later
[12:07] <kwwii> oh, I'll take a shot at it...I'll ping you when I have time to start
[12:07] <imbrandon> :)
[12:07] <kwwii> sometime next week, probably
[12:08] <imbrandon> cool, thats cool for me too , as i start a new job monday and will need some stress time :)
[12:08] <kwwii> hehe, I wish I had a solid job
[12:08] <imbrandon> but the one cool thing is my new job already said i can spend a certain ammount of time on kubuntu a day
[12:08] <kwwii> that is really cool
[12:08] <imbrandon> that ammount is to be determinaned but still cool
[12:09] <imbrandon> ye it actualy sounds like a really cool place, i dont official start till monday but i've been in there a few times and seen some of the backend stuff,
[12:09] <imbrandon> i was suprised when he said it was cool since they run almost all RHEL
[12:09] <kwwii> what kind of company is it?
[12:10] <imbrandon> server hosting , but for like big companies only, like they do for visa credit cards, walmart, burgerking etc
[12:10] <kwwii> cool, sounds like fun
[12:11] <imbrandon> actualy its going to be a boring job but still be kinda cool
[12:11] <imbrandon> i have a sysadmin position, those are always fun to sit an watch graphs of 1000's of boxes 
[12:11] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:12] <imbrandon> here is their public portfolio http://www.gsihosting.com/apps/application-development-sample-projects.aspx
[12:12] <imbrandon> hehe you wish you had a "regular" job? i'll trade you for a canonical contract :) hehe
[12:13] <kwwii> dude, I wish I had a canonical contract too :p still waiting on an answer, contract, etc.
[12:14] <Hobbsee> hey all
[12:15] <fdoving> hi hobbsee.
[12:17] <pip> Hello,why was my "packing database locked by some applications," but in fact I did not run any aplications, beccause,I just restarted my box
[12:17] <fdoving> !adept crash fix | pip 
[12:17] <ubotu> pip: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[12:18] <pip> thanks
[12:18] <pip> is that a bug ?
[12:20] <fdoving> well.. not really.. but it's not a good thing either.. should probably clean it up somehow automatically.
[12:20] <pip> : )
[12:27] <pip> there was an error commiting changes.Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break the packages."   what's wrong ?
[12:28] <pip> does it have something to do with the source list ?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> you'll have to hit "show more" or "details" or whatever it's called to see
[12:29] <pip> But it often happens,I am used to it
[12:30] <Hobbsee> it just means that adept has hit something hard, and doesnt know if you really want to do what you're doing
[12:30] <pip> so he is smart 
[12:43] <apokryphos> where's mornfall been by the way? Haven't seen him in quite some time.
[12:48] <Hobbsee> he's in here, sometimes
[12:50] <apokryphos> he used to always been around; guess RL is busy atm 8)
[12:59] <kwwii> time for lunch sooon
[12:59] <kwwii> bbl
[01:09] <Hobbsee> way cool.  "monitors and display" module has totally died in feisty
[01:56] <pip> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:56] <pip>  tz-brasil
[01:56] <pip> what does it mean ?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> pip: means that apt's had errors, for some reason.  doesnt tell you which ones, unless you look up futher
[01:58] <pip> Hobbsee
[01:59] <pip> Hobbsee,nice to see you : ) 
[01:59] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:59] <Hobbsee> heya
[01:59] <pip> Hobbsee ,wa~~you are so professional
[01:59] <Hobbsee> heh.  wish my boss thought that :P
[01:59] <Hobbsee> why do you say that?
[02:00] <pip> feel
[02:00] <pip> your boss ? you got a job ?
[02:00] <Hobbsee> sure
[02:00] <pip> kubuntu development ?
[02:00] <Hobbsee> and my boss came in tonight, to put up christmas decorations, when she wasnt supposed to.  grr!
[02:00] <Hobbsee> nope
[02:13] <imbrandon> wow i read that totaly wrong :)
[02:14] <imbrandon> heh, i'm not /that/ bad
[02:15] <Hobbsee> sure sure
[02:42] <pip> aho.my adept is down
[02:53] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: you are teaching to classes next week with topic kubuntu?
[02:55] <gnomefreak> would have liked to have seen one on merging too
[03:11] <gnomefreak> Jucato: your still using koffice 1.6.1 right?
[03:11] <Jucato> on Edgy? yes
[03:11] <gnomefreak> does the repo work for you?
[03:11] <Jucato> although I think the repository isn't available anymore
[03:11] <gnomefreak> ah
[03:11] <Jucato> no, when I apt-get update, I get errors
[03:12] <gnomefreak> me too
[03:12] <gnomefreak> 404
[03:23] <gnomefreak> ok this is getting really frigging strange
[03:25] <Jucato> apt-get problems on feisty?
[03:26] <gnomefreak> the apt crash
[03:26] <gnomefreak> its one of 2 repos
[03:26] <gnomefreak> :) and im betting i know what one
[03:26] <Jucato> heh :)
[03:27] <gnomefreak> only thing i did is add koffice and pittis debug repo to my list than ran update now apt and the like are crashing
[03:27] <gnomefreak> koffice repo is for edgy and works for you im betting its pittis
[03:28] <gnomefreak> oh well back to reinstall unles swhile im outside smoke i come up with a better way :(
[03:28] <Jucato> the 1.6.1 repo for Edgy doesn't work anymore I think
[03:28] <gnomefreak> it doesnt
[03:41] <gnomefreak> this is #4 reinstall in 10 days ill be back on later i hope
[06:06] <nixternal> Hobbsee|Remote: i got feisty to boot, but only with the 2.6.17 kernel
[08:08] <hunger> What is the power-manager of choice this release cycle?
[08:10] <hunger> What is the power-manager of choice this release cycle?
[08:22] <fdoving> hunger: i've heard roumours about kpowersave with hal support.. i can not confirm that though..
[08:23] <hunger>  fdoving: Thanks!
[08:23] <hunger> fdoving: I am only asking since guidence-p-m no longer starts since I upgraded the kernel.
[08:51] <toma> fdoving: it synced the addressbook from the palm, let me try the other way now
[08:52] <toma> fdoving: ah, no need, you are on my palm now, so that works ;-)
[08:52] <toma> including that funny o of you
[08:52] <fdoving> toma: so it's all good? 
[08:52] <fdoving> the funny 
[08:53] <toma> yes, that one ;-)
[08:53] <toma> anything more to test then addressbook and todo?
[08:53] <toma> agenda
[08:53] <toma> let me try
[08:54] <fdoving> calendar entries? 
[08:54] <toma> yes
[08:56] <toma> works
[08:56] <toma> lets make a conflict
[08:57] <toma> works
[08:57] <toma> i'm almost thinking kpilot is usable ;-)
[08:57] <fdoving> that's a good thing.
[08:58] <toma> fdoving: should i add a note somewhere on launchpad?
[08:58] <fdoving> yes, taht would be great.
[08:59] <toma> where?
[08:59] <toma> ah got it
[08:59] <fdoving> bug 66313
[08:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66313 in kdepim "Calendar does not synch with palm device" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66313
[09:45] <fdoving> imbrandon: ping? status on kdepim for feisty? 
[11:48] <nixternal> someone with konqi, goto http://www.meijer.com and scroll down with a mouse wheel..tell me if konqi crashes for you (especially if you are using feisty)
[11:49] <nixternal> you don't even have to scroll...that site makes konqi in feisty crash for me
[11:49] <jjesse> then how will you buy your groceries :)
[11:49] <nixternal> hehe
[11:49] <nixternal> exactly
[11:50] <nixternal> imbrandon: you guys have meijer by you?  me and jjesse may be the only ones that know what it is
[11:53] <lengau> Hey guys - Quick poll here. Should I separate the Ubuntu and Kubuntu RestrictedFormats pages (as in make a RestrictedFormats page on the Kubuntu wiki with the instructions for Kubuntu and remove those from the one on the Ubuntu help site)
[11:56] <claydoh> crashes in Konq in Edgy here
[12:00] <allee> lengau: IMHO: depends how much they have in common.  If most stuff is the same stay with one page. if not split.
[12:02] <claydoh> How about keeping the original, and still adding a Kubuntu page :)
[12:02] <lengau> @claydoh: That's a good idea. :-)
[12:03] <lengau> Most of what applies to both is simply links to other pages.