=== nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=silk@81.56.214.84] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.120.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-128-179.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] there's no *.dsc file in my deb directory [12:40] what's with the versioning? [12:40] it's normaly in the dir with the .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz [12:41] 3.1.1-0ubuntu1-1 <- [12:44] hello crimsun [12:44] hi geser [12:45] haha, the opensuse thing on -devel is awesome [12:45] crimsun: i dunno, i gave it 3.1.1-0ubuntu1 and it tacked on the -1 [12:45] crimsun: is it acceptable to backport a package from feisty to {dapper|edgy}-updates? it's for bug 72921 [12:45] Malone bug 72921 in php4 "Several unfixed CVEs for php4 in Ubuntu Dapper and Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/72921 [12:45] or should I try to collect the patches? === Gervystar [n=alessand@host127-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:46] geser: yeah but its the OLD desc [12:46] do i need to modify it somehow? [12:46] geez this cant be good.. [12:46] geser: -security and -updates gets more users [12:46] geser: -backports is easier [12:47] is -backports the right place for security updates? [12:47] not particularly [12:47] I'd like to avoid to hunt for the patches [12:48] ademan: the new .dsc gets generated when you build the new source package [12:49] geser: -security is, ideally. [12:50] geser: how do i build it without the new dsc though? [12:51] I'm currently trying to find out if a new upstream version (bugfix release) would be acceptable for -security [12:51] ademan: run dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot inside the package dir [12:51] geser: backport if at all possible. [12:52] geser: the exception I'm considering is for something like flashplugin-nonfree, which _has_ to pull down a new upstream version [12:56] geser alright, and i want to get this updated package into the repositories, what do i submit to where? === crimsun prepares to grab some revu packages for his flight tomorrow [12:58] ademan: does it build in a feisty pbuilder? [12:58] geser: so i would need to dpkg-buildpackage then proceed to pbuilder build TheDscFile.dsc ? [12:59] and i dunno, i'm interested in getting it into edgy, its an IMPORTANT bugfix [01:00] does it build, install, function correctly, and deinstall correctly in an edgy pbuilder, then? [01:01] well, when i ran dpkg-buildpackage i got this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/nz9Rn630.html it looks like i need a gpg key or something? [01:03] does somebody know a good place to find patches for reported CVEs? [01:04] ademan: looks ok [01:04] since you can't upload it, it's no problem with the missing gpg key [01:04] geser: Debian BTS & upstream rcs [01:04] geser: mitre [01:05] geser: i can't upload it? well ok then i'll procceed to the pbuilder build and i'll get back to yo uguys (i'm goin to lunch first) [01:05] thanks a lot [01:06] ademan: you need to be a motu to upload to ubuntu universe === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-70-93.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] geser: so i can't even upload for review or anything? [01:07] bddebian: sorry, where did you have the bkchem packages again? [01:07] ademan: if you've followed the directions for REVU, you can upload there [01:07] crimsun: even though its not a new package? [01:07] azeem: sorry about the spam for Ubuntu Feisty's xmakemol; I'll check with infinity to see if it's intentional given the maintainer field [01:08] ademan: then file a bug against the source package using LP, and link us to the bug # [01:08] the bugs been around for a while [01:08] ademan: then attach your debdiff and build log to the (main) existing bug report [01:09] ok [01:11] Burgwork++ (RE: -devel) [01:11] for the record here's the bug, but i'm goin out to lunch hopefully i can fix this [01:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/eclipse-cdt/+bug/68661 [01:12] Malone bug 68661 in eclipse-cdt "Current version 3.0.1 crashes Eclipse at startup." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [01:13] crimsun: I try [01:14] bddebian: never mind, found it [01:14] crimsun: np, I didn't have time to look at feisty yet :-/ [01:17] azeem: OK, sorry [01:31] geser: when you file a bug report for a merge, the debdiffs are from the last ubuntu version? [01:33] I usually provide a debdiff from the last debian version and one from the last ubuntu version (only if same upstream version) [01:34] I don't know which of the two debdiffs crimsun prefers [01:34] okay [01:36] crimsun: here? do you need both debdiffs? [01:37] geser: I generally go with whichever requires pulling fewer bytes over the 'net [01:37] geser: really, it doesn't matter; I end up working with whatever the reporter provides [01:38] Adri2000: (see above) [01:38] ok [01:42] crimsun: bug 73200, I hope it is ok :) [01:42] Malone bug 73200 in colormake "[Merge] colormake 0.2-4.2ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73200 [01:42] (universe) [01:47] Adri2000: looks ok to me (for what it's worth) [01:48] geser: thanks, and... I was wondering what are you waiting to apply as a motu? :p nice list of uploaded packages! :) [01:50] currently I'm waiting for the Council Greyskull to get formed [01:50] crimsun: if there is a package that has the potential to cause damage to the sudoers file in dapper and edgy, what is the proper procedure? [01:50] i am talking about smb4k [01:51] i am fixing the feisty version now and will upload to review shortly [01:51] bug 72065 to be exact [01:51] Malone bug 72065 in smb4k "smb4k screwed the sudoers sudo command no longer available! " [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/72065 [01:53] nixternal: that would be critical, not high [01:53] hmm..i thought it was critical === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-139-100-209.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:53] just noticed that as well [01:54] if you have a fix for it, make a debdiff for it ASAP so we can push it into -proposed [01:54] it is a new upstream release [01:54] 0.7.5 [01:54] nixternal: backport the fix if at all possible [01:55] you mean package it for edgy and dapper as well? [01:55] nixternal: generate debdiffs for whichever packages are affected, with expendiency toward 6.06.1 LTS [01:55] [I generally place highest priority on bugs that affect dapper] [01:55] roger [01:56] gotta build a dapper env [01:56] crimsun: thanks :) [01:56] Adri2000: np === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@c-67-175-74-85.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nictuku__ [n=yves@200.163.26.70] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:29] crimsun: should i attach that debdiff for dapper to the bug? [02:29] assuming that i did it correct (it did test build here though) === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:30] nixternal: sure. Unless you want me to wave my hands and guess. :-) [02:30] haha [02:30] it is uploading to the bug now [02:30] one sec === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-128-179.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:36] crimsun, we're just about to release 0.2, if you'd like to do some testing, you know where to come ;-) [02:36] dapper debdiff in bug 72065 [02:36] Malone bug 72065 in smb4k "smb4k screwed the sudoers sudo command no longer available! " [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/72065 [02:37] nixternal: that is a _huge_ debdiff [02:37] yup [02:37] nixternal: will you isolate just the bugfix for that issue, please? [02:38] went from 0.6.5 in dapper to 0.7.5 [02:38] i think that is beyond my skills at this time [02:38] we can't drop new upstream versions into -updates randomly [02:46] cd ../ [02:46] derrr [02:52] http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/smb4k-0611242045/lintian [02:52] someone get a chance, revu that and try to get it up asap for feisty ;) [02:53] is 0.7.5 even released? [02:54] he hasn't put it up yet, he emailed it to me though [02:55] you're supposed to use LP for existing packages, btw. [02:56] woah dejavu === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.147.212] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:01] use lp for new upstream releases as well? [03:02] yes, if the package already exists in Ubuntu, don't use revu [03:02] ahhh [03:02] ->dinner [03:02] see, everyone tells me to put it on revu [03:02] thats it..im only listening to crimsun from now on === ajmitch won't tell nixternal anything from now on [03:02] hahaha [03:02] i will listen to ajmitch too [03:03] but thats it [03:03] silly nixternal [03:03] don't try and sneak in now and get on my "i will listen to you" list either ;p [03:04] but you shouldn't listen to me [03:22] pbuilder build is giving me an error that it can't satisfy dependancies, i did sudo apt-get build-dep for the package i'm trying to build, i guess i need to get it into the pbuilder image? === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp232-34.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] ademan: it's possible you dont have all the archives in pbuilder, e.g. universe and/or multiverse === zelda276 [n=Zelda@207.112.104.190] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] I wish this Open Week wasn't cloaked in OpenSuse politics :/ === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:48] I was all enthusiastic about it until Mark's post [03:49] & the ensuing thread on the opensuse list where mark posted it... === Hobbsee wonders what the contributors to it will do, if they dont agree with mark === ajmitch isn't contributing [03:50] Hobbsee: I'm not sure === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] I suppose I'll go along [03:50] as I think it's a good thing [03:50] I just don't like the opensuse stuff surrounding it === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:51] it's at a rather bad time for me [03:51] yeah, that's what I thought [03:52] the week in particular or the times? [03:52] times [03:52] right, what'd i miss? === Hobbsee got bitten by the "keyboard stops working" bug [03:52] indeed [03:52] 2-8am here [03:53] I said: [03:53] I suppose I'll go along [03:53] as I think it's a good thing [03:53] I just don't like the opensuse stuff surrounding it [03:54] I'm just hoping that it wasn't him that sent the email to the opensuse ML [03:54] it seems that it was [03:55] unfortunately so [03:55] I just can't imagine what he was thinking :/ [03:56] if he was [03:57] I'm pretty impressed with most of the response on the opensuse ML and blog [03:57] wait what? [03:57] poningru: did you read Mark's blog? [03:57] sabdfl didnt send the email to opensuse ml did he? [03:58] yeah [03:58] yes [03:58] he did [03:58] :( [03:58] I thought it was someone else... [03:58] sigh [04:01] LaserJock: does sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda [04:01] do what i think it does? [04:01] I'd kinda think so, I've never tried it [04:04] if what you think it does is cover /dev/hda1 in psuedorandom data then yes [04:05] for most perposes just overwriting with zeros will be perfectly sufficiant and much faster though [04:06] and finally remember that modern hard drives remap weak sectors, so overwriting every sector visible to the controller is no gaurantee you've overwritten every sector on the platter [04:06] yeah that is what i thought [04:07] it overwrites your hard drive [04:08] you should be overwriting the hd multiple times === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.48.107.27] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:11] can a /win 19 [04:11] bah [04:12] zelda276 if you are trying to hide stuff from someone who would go to the time and expense of platter level data recovery you are better off destroying the drive [04:13] plugwash: yeah [04:13] opening up the hard drive [04:13] and smashing the platters === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock thinks of ways to do it with lasers :-) [04:14] nah sand off the magnetic material [04:14] and then dump what comes off in strong acid just to make sure [04:14] true [04:14] plugwash: agreed. although the microwave is more entertaining [04:14] LaserJock: hahaha that is funny [04:14] LaserJock: can what you do in a chroot environment damange the outside system? [04:15] i heared a white phosphorus grenade is also considered reasonablly effective if time is of the essense [04:15] joejaxx yes, root in a chroot is still root and can still do everything that root can normally do [04:16] interesting [04:21] LaserJock! [04:22] Fujitsu: what? [04:22] I haven't seen you in a few days :P [04:22] yeah [04:22] I put a posting on the forums to test the gcl/maxima fix [04:22] Good, good. [04:23] We've only had two +1s so far :( [04:23] how many days has it been? === ajmitch wonders how many +1 we have for libnss-ldap === Fujitsu looks. [04:23] About 1.5, LaserJock. [04:25] Fujitsu: doesn't seem to bad to me [04:25] Erm, an interesting post in the science forum: [04:25] `No one should really be recommendng Edgy for everyday computing, ' === ajmitch thinks getting 5 votes for packages is going to be a challenge when noone knows that they're up for testing === ademan [n=dan@h-68-164-186-127.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch is still confused as to what the correct procedure for SRU is, since it never seemed to get finalised on the wiki [04:28] Fujitsu: really? [04:28] ajmitch: really? [04:28] I thought we got it finalized [04:29] it seemed like the thread just stopped on the mailing list [04:29] LaserJock: In the `Maxima / TexMacs' thread. [04:29] & noone from the SRU team has written the final page [04:32] SRU? [04:32] Stable Release Updates [04:33] ah, right [04:35] why do i get http://pastebin.ca/257273 - ie, how can i fix it? [04:37] The easiest way to fix it is to not use dodgy specialised-preprocessor-requiring toolkits. === Fujitsu ducks. [04:37] heh [04:45] Hobbsee: The .cpp file might define the same method for a class twice. === MrNoFun [n=jon@stjhnf0111w-142162140177.dhcp-dynamic.nl.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:58] Hello, MOTUs... I have another REVU issue (sorry to bug you again, but I'm finally learning the "right" way to do packaging, and, well, I want to do it right). [05:05] No, wait... never mind. I was trying to log into REVU with my Launchpad name, not my e-mail address. Oops. === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.147.212] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:33] geeze, my irssi status bar is getting big :/ [05:34] anybody knows a dbus service done in python? [05:34] any way to see which packages depend on a package? 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[09:16] oh geeze [09:16] you said sudo [09:16] sorry, i guess i'm out of it [09:18] :) [09:19] hrrm === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:20] do i then procceed to do the pbuilder build ? [09:21] yes [09:21] if your dep packages exists in repo, it should be updated with the pbuilder update command === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:22] hrm, well after doing pbuilder update i ended up with this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/rqXPYs77.html (well thats the pbuilder build) [09:22] i'm sorry i feel i'm pretty ignorant of all this, but i have been reading the relevant materials, i just haven't been grasping them very well [09:23] is universe enabled in your pbuilder? [09:23] seems not [09:24] ademan: you probably didn't added the universe repo in your pbuilder [09:24] how might i go about that? [09:24] uncomment this line [09:24] #COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse" [09:24] try sudo pbuilder update --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ ?distro? universe" --override-config [09:25] in your ~/.pbuilderrc [09:25] i seem to have no such file [09:25] :p [09:25] cp /etc/pbuilderrc ~/.pbuilderrc [09:26] ah ok [09:26] thanks [09:26] np [09:26] i've a copyright question [09:26] i've this file in my package : [09:26] http://paste.sos-sts.com/?34 [09:26] and my debian/copyright file is http://paste.sos-sts.com/?35 [09:27] must i add some lines in debian/coppyright before remove the othere file from the deb (lintian warn me about it) [09:29] ? [09:33] hrm i think my package is actually building, sweet [09:33] Sp4rKy: i wish i could help but honestly i haven't a clue, as you can tell, i'm lost and bewildered :-) [09:34] Sp4rKy: yes all copyright info needs to be in debian/copyright [09:34] no matter what the license is [09:36] ademan: :) [09:36] imbrandon: in fact, my question should be "is the same licence" :) [09:36] s/is/are [09:36] Sp4rKy: what ? [09:36] i don't really see the difference between the 2 licences [09:37] what two ? [09:37] those of the file in package & those of debian/changelog [09:37] also, i want this package i'm building to make it into universe (its an upstream update for the eclipse-cdt package which fixes a major incompatibility issue) what do i need to do to get this package reviewed and hopefully into universe? [09:37] Sp4rKy: it dosent matter , they are not the exact word for word, byte for byte the same [09:37] they must be listed === imbrandon is afk [09:38] the reviewing is pretty important imho, since i'm well intentioned, but clearly quite clueless [09:39] ademan: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/REVU [09:39] imbrandon: i was told thats only for NEW packages, not updates [09:39] ademan: you need to put in in revu.tauware.de [09:39] ahh is its an update then it needs to go on malone [09:39] Sp4rKy: the actual deb? or a debdiff or what? [09:39] ademan: revu is needed for twice [09:39] the actual [09:41] ademan: the debdiff [09:41] Sp4rKy: NO [09:41] i just said that updates dont go on revu [09:41] updates go as debdiff's on malone , and ubuntu-universe-sponsors are subscribed [09:42] oups === Lure [n=administ@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:43] malone = the bug system? [09:44] yep [09:44] Hey imbrandon. [09:44] Congrats on the job offer BTW. [09:44] imbrandon! [09:44] Heya ajmitch. [09:44] hi TheMuso [09:44] so i'd attach just the debdiff to a bugreport comment? how could i get attention for it? [09:45] because its fairly urgent for me, i NEED my C/C++ development environment back [09:45] subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsore [09:45] ah ok [09:45] well i'm off to bed for now [09:46] thanks all [09:46] i'll hopefully have this done by noon tomorow [09:46] and by the next day (cross my fingers) have the new package in the repositories [09:46] ... [09:48] Hrrm [09:49] Please let me know if I am supposed to 'assign' this bug to somebody or help somehow with this bug -- https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/qpsmtpd/+bug/72602 [09:49] Malone bug 72602 in qpsmtpd "qpsmtpd should create /var/run/qpsmtpd in init.d (/var/run/ is tmpfs)" [Medium,Confirmed] [09:50] I dont know quite what the procedure is after this point [09:51] heya ajmitch TheMuso [09:51] TheMuso: thanks [09:51] its a freakin busy week [09:52] I'll bet. [09:53] new job + open week + a side contract + other talks + lug talks [09:53] all this week :( === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:53] PLUS stuff to get merged and such :) === Simon80 [n=Simon80@bas6-toronto63-1128676795.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:59] imbrandon: found any 'volunteers' for open week? [10:00] ajmitch: yup got it covered [10:00] good, who's doing it? === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:36] ajmitch: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek === Zdra [n=zdra@33.23-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:42] poningru: yes? === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:43] StevenK: happy birthday to linda ;) === StevenK grins. [10:45] :) [10:48] (Oh dear God, has it been 5 years?) === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:48] robbing the cradle StevenK [10:48] Speak for yourself. [10:48] heh === imbrandon has no motovation to absolutely anything today === StevenK has just upgraded his desktop to Edgy. [10:50] and feisty tomarrow ? [10:50] "Tomorrow"? I don't think so. :-P [10:50] :) [10:50] nilson: /YUO SUCCEEDING/ [10:50] argh [10:50] nilson: ?you succeeding? === enyc has funny problems with shift-states in the console on edgy ;-( === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:53] imbrandon: nah, tonight [10:53] ajmitch: :) === enyc error [10:54] hrm i think i might mess with linux on my usb stick for a little while, to see if i get some motovation [10:54] to do something constructive === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [11:03] imbrandon: hehe working on that myself [11:04] using grubfor win to make a bootable usb without bios option to do so === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru_ [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-48.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=silk@81.56.214.84] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ingar_ [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-9916.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [n=Zhengpen@61.48.24.245] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:53] I can't believe that person did a reminder spam on the ubuntu-devel list... === StevenK kicks apt. [11:53] ajmitch: after his first email, indeed [11:53] ajmitch: an interesting day, no? [11:54] yeah [11:54] I think he needs a little etiquette education === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:55] hi ogra [11:55] hey [11:55] I considered posting something similar back in early Nov, but then realized it was crackish and dropped it [11:55] hey ogra === mr_pouit [n=silk@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-214-84.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:55] moins Burgundavia and ogra [11:55] hey imbrandon [11:55] :) [11:57] what's the state of this "proprietary drivers in the default install" decision ? any URL confirming it ? [11:57] ogra: your boss be stirring the pot a wee smidgen while you were travelling [11:57] lucas: spec is still at pending approval [11:57] ok [11:58] Burgundavia, well, whats wrong with providing an open day to people wiling to switch ? [11:58] ogra: the manner is which the announcement was made [11:58] he's just honest ... [11:58] and tactless === geser [n=michael@dialin105064.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:59] better than being a tactful liar [11:59] I would disagree === freeflying_ [n=Zhengpen@61.48.24.245] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:59] society functions because people treat each other politely [11:59] I consider Marks post a violation of the spirit, if not hte letter, of the CoC [11:59] the "treat other people respectfully" part [12:00] where is he treating anyone unrespectful ? [12:01] by attempting to poach users directly from suse, on their own mailing lists [12:01] i dont see your point, he doesnt say SuSE is bad, he just says we're open if you want to come ... [12:02] jpr said it well: You can try and dress it up all you want, but you're an intelligent [12:02] person and you knew exactly what you were doing when you sent this and I [12:02] doubt the motive was not pure. [12:02] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-11/msg03788.html [12:03] still, he didnt attack anyone or be unrespectful to anyone in a direct manner ... i dont see the CoC violation you try to make up [12:03] so it is ok if random distros start posting on our mailing lists, saying their distro is more free and we should go work on them? [12:03] he just sent a polite invitation to the devs === freeflying_ [n=Zhengpen@61.48.24.245] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:03] sure it is [12:03] would you not consider that disrespect? I would [12:04] nexenta is doing that quite often for example ... and they are not even a linux distro [12:04] yes, and nobody really likes them for it [12:04] Jamie McCracken of Tracker does it as well [12:04] it grates [12:04] they aren't doing it in a tone of "look, canonical has screwed you over" [12:04] but i dont consider it a CoC violation in any way === ajmitch considers it to be amazingly poor form at least [12:05] "We [12:05] expect members of the Ubuntu community to be respectful when [12:05] dealing with other contributors as well as with people outside [12:05] the Ubuntu project and with users of Ubuntu." [12:05] https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.0.1 [12:05] it could have been written more sensible but that still doesnt make it a CoC vioation [12:06] " Ubuntu and Free Software are about collaboration and working together." [12:06] that post is not about working together === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:07] Mark also violates the "When you disagree" and "When you are unsure" sections [12:08] ?? [12:08] espeically the 2nd [12:08] I do not see mdz or jono saying yes [12:08] jono organized the event ... [12:08] with that specific goal in mind? [12:08] and mdz doesnt disagree apparently [12:09] wow [12:09] I am fucking stunned [12:10] if Mark had said in his blog "We welcome all developers" and not posted to the opensuse, I consider that above the board [12:11] that is extending an invitation, not conducting a raid === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:11] Ouch. [12:12] because, ultimately, we use Ubuntu because it rocks, not because $OTHER_DISTRO sucks|has issues|has dumb management [12:13] ogra, i think im on the same page as Burgundavia here. it's not the open day or it's actual purpose that is the objectional thing. it's the way the blog post/list mail was done. [12:13] he said "come over if you think $OTHER_DISTRO sucks" [12:13] I also agree with Burgundavia/elkbuntu. [12:13]