[12:40] <ademan> there's no *.dsc file in my deb directory
[12:40] <crimsun> what's with the versioning?
[12:40] <geser> it's normaly in the dir with the .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz
[12:41] <crimsun> 3.1.1-0ubuntu1-1  <-
[12:44] <geser> hello crimsun
[12:44] <crimsun> hi geser
[12:45] <LaserJock> haha, the opensuse thing on -devel is awesome
[12:45] <ademan> crimsun: i dunno, i gave it 3.1.1-0ubuntu1 and it tacked on the -1
[12:45] <geser> crimsun: is it acceptable to backport a package from feisty to {dapper|edgy}-updates? it's for bug 72921
[12:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72921 in php4 "Several unfixed CVEs for php4 in Ubuntu Dapper and Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72921
[12:45] <geser> or should I try to collect the patches?
[12:46] <ademan> geser: yeah but its the OLD desc
[12:46] <ademan> do i need to modify it somehow?
[12:46] <zul> geez this cant be good..
[12:46] <LaserJock> geser: -security and -updates gets more users
[12:46] <LaserJock> geser: -backports is easier
[12:47] <geser> is -backports the right place for security updates?
[12:47] <LaserJock> not particularly
[12:47] <geser> I'd like to avoid to hunt for the patches
[12:48] <geser> ademan: the new .dsc gets generated when you build the new source package
[12:49] <crimsun> geser: -security is, ideally.
[12:50] <ademan> geser: how do i build it without the new dsc though?
[12:51] <geser> I'm currently trying to find out if a new upstream version (bugfix release) would be acceptable for -security
[12:51] <geser> ademan: run dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot inside the package dir
[12:51] <crimsun> geser: backport if at all possible.
[12:52] <crimsun> geser: the exception I'm considering is for something like flashplugin-nonfree, which _has_ to pull down a new upstream version
[12:56] <ademan> geser alright, and i want to get this updated package into the repositories, what do i submit to where?
[12:58] <geser> ademan: does it build in a feisty pbuilder?
[12:58] <ademan> geser: so i would need to dpkg-buildpackage then proceed to pbuilder build TheDscFile.dsc   ?
[12:59] <ademan> and i dunno, i'm interested in getting it into edgy, its an IMPORTANT bugfix
[01:00] <crimsun> does it build, install, function correctly, and deinstall correctly in an edgy pbuilder, then?
[01:01] <ademan> well, when i ran dpkg-buildpackage   i got this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/nz9Rn630.html    it looks like i need a gpg key or something?
[01:03] <geser> does somebody know a good place to find patches for reported CVEs?
[01:04] <geser> ademan: looks ok
[01:04] <geser> since you can't upload it, it's no problem with the missing gpg key
[01:04] <crimsun> geser: Debian BTS & upstream rcs
[01:04] <zul> geser: mitre
[01:05] <ademan> geser: i can't upload it? well ok then i'll procceed to the pbuilder build and i'll get back to yo uguys (i'm goin to lunch first)
[01:05] <ademan> thanks a lot
[01:06] <geser> ademan: you need to be a motu to upload to ubuntu universe
[01:07] <ademan> geser: so i can't even upload for review or anything?
[01:07] <azeem> bddebian: sorry, where did you have the bkchem packages again?
[01:07] <crimsun> ademan: if you've followed the directions for REVU, you can upload there
[01:07] <ademan> crimsun: even though its not a new package?
[01:07] <crimsun> azeem: sorry about the spam for Ubuntu Feisty's xmakemol; I'll check with infinity to see if it's intentional given the maintainer field
[01:08] <crimsun> ademan: then file a bug against the source package using LP, and link us to the bug #
[01:08] <ademan> the bugs been around for a while
[01:08] <crimsun> ademan: then attach your debdiff and build log to the (main) existing bug report
[01:09] <ademan> ok
[01:11] <crimsun> Burgwork++  (RE: -devel)
[01:11] <ademan> for the record here's the bug, but i'm goin out to lunch hopefully i can fix this
[01:11] <ademan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/eclipse-cdt/+bug/68661
[01:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68661 in eclipse-cdt "Current version 3.0.1 crashes Eclipse at startup." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[01:13] <Burgwork> crimsun: I try
[01:14] <azeem> bddebian: never mind, found it
[01:14] <azeem> crimsun: np, I didn't have time to look at feisty yet :-/
[01:17] <bddebian> azeem: OK, sorry
[01:31] <Adri2000> geser: when you file a bug report for a merge, the debdiffs are from the last ubuntu version?
[01:33] <geser> I usually provide a debdiff from the last debian version and one from the last ubuntu version (only if same upstream version)
[01:34] <geser> I don't know which of the two debdiffs crimsun prefers
[01:34] <Adri2000> okay
[01:36] <Adri2000> crimsun: here? do you need both debdiffs?
[01:37] <crimsun> geser: I generally go with whichever requires pulling fewer bytes over the 'net
[01:37] <crimsun> geser: really, it doesn't matter; I end up working with whatever the reporter provides
[01:38] <crimsun> Adri2000: (see above)
[01:38] <Adri2000> ok
[01:42] <Adri2000> crimsun: bug 73200, I hope it is ok :)
[01:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73200 in colormake "[Merge]  colormake 0.2-4.2ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73200
[01:42] <Adri2000> (universe)
[01:47] <geser> Adri2000: looks ok to me (for what it's worth)
[01:48] <Adri2000> geser: thanks, and... I was wondering what are you waiting to apply as a motu? :p nice list of uploaded packages! :)
[01:50] <geser> currently I'm waiting for the Council Greyskull to get formed
[01:50] <nixternal> crimsun: if there is a package that has the potential to cause damage to the sudoers file in dapper and edgy, what is the proper procedure?
[01:50] <nixternal> i am talking about smb4k
[01:51] <nixternal> i am fixing the feisty version now and will upload to review shortly
[01:51] <nixternal> bug 72065 to be exact
[01:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72065 in smb4k "smb4k screwed the sudoers sudo command no longer available! " [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72065
[01:53] <crimsun> nixternal: that would be critical, not high
[01:53] <nixternal> hmm..i thought it was critical
[01:53] <nixternal> just noticed that as well
[01:54] <crimsun> if you have a fix for it, make a debdiff for it ASAP so we can push it into -proposed
[01:54] <nixternal> it is a new upstream release
[01:54] <nixternal> 0.7.5
[01:54] <crimsun> nixternal: backport the fix if at all possible
[01:55] <nixternal> you mean package it for edgy and dapper as well?
[01:55] <crimsun> nixternal: generate debdiffs for whichever packages are affected, with expendiency toward 6.06.1 LTS
[01:55] <crimsun> [I generally place highest priority on bugs that affect dapper] 
[01:55] <nixternal> roger
[01:56] <nixternal> gotta build a dapper env
[01:56] <Adri2000> crimsun: thanks :)
[01:56] <crimsun> Adri2000: np
[02:29] <nixternal> crimsun: should i attach that debdiff for dapper to the bug?
[02:29] <nixternal> assuming that i did it correct (it did test build here though)
[02:30] <crimsun> nixternal: sure. Unless you want me to wave my hands and guess. :-)
[02:30] <nixternal> haha
[02:30] <nixternal> it is uploading to the bug now
[02:30] <nixternal> one sec
[02:36] <lastnode> crimsun, we're just about to release 0.2, if you'd like to do some testing, you know where to come ;-)
[02:36] <nixternal> dapper debdiff in bug 72065
[02:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72065 in smb4k "smb4k screwed the sudoers sudo command no longer available! " [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72065
[02:37] <crimsun> nixternal: that is a _huge_ debdiff
[02:37] <nixternal> yup
[02:37] <crimsun> nixternal: will you isolate just the bugfix for that issue, please?
[02:38] <nixternal> went from 0.6.5 in dapper to 0.7.5
[02:38] <nixternal> i think that is beyond my skills at this time
[02:38] <crimsun> we can't drop new upstream versions into -updates randomly
[02:46] <nixternal> cd ../
[02:46] <nixternal> derrr
[02:52] <nixternal> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/smb4k-0611242045/lintian
[02:52] <nixternal> someone get a chance, revu that and try to get it up asap for feisty ;)
[02:53] <crimsun> is 0.7.5 even released?
[02:54] <nixternal> he hasn't put it up yet, he emailed it to me though
[02:55] <crimsun> you're supposed to use LP for existing packages, btw.
[02:56] <lastnode> woah dejavu
[03:01] <nixternal> use lp for new upstream releases as well?
[03:02] <crimsun> yes, if the package already exists in Ubuntu, don't use revu
[03:02] <nixternal> ahhh
[03:02] <crimsun> ->dinner
[03:02] <nixternal> see, everyone tells me to put it on revu
[03:02] <nixternal> thats it..im only listening to crimsun from now on
[03:02] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:02] <nixternal> i will listen to ajmitch too
[03:03] <nixternal> but thats it
[03:03] <ajmitch> silly nixternal
[03:03] <nixternal> don't try and sneak in now and get on my "i will listen to you" list either ;p
[03:04] <ajmitch> but you shouldn't listen to me
[03:22] <ademan> pbuilder build is giving me an error that it can't satisfy dependancies, i did sudo apt-get build-dep for the package i'm trying to build, i guess i need to get it into the pbuilder image?
[03:30] <Lathiat> ademan: it's possible you dont have all the archives in pbuilder, e.g. universe and/or multiverse
[03:47] <LaserJock> I wish this Open Week wasn't cloaked in OpenSuse politics :/
[03:48] <LaserJock> I was all enthusiastic about it until Mark's post
[03:49] <ajmitch> & the ensuing thread on the opensuse list where mark posted it...
[03:50] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I'm not sure
[03:50] <LaserJock> I suppose I'll go along
[03:50] <LaserJock> as I think it's a good thing
[03:50] <LaserJock> I just don't like the opensuse stuff surrounding it
[03:51] <ajmitch> it's at a rather bad time for me
[03:51] <LaserJock> yeah, that's what I thought
[03:52] <LaserJock> the week in particular or the times?
[03:52] <ajmitch> times
[03:52] <Hobbsee> right, what'd i miss?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> indeed
[03:52] <Hobbsee> 2-8am here
[03:53] <LaserJock> I said:
[03:53] <LaserJock> I suppose I'll go along
[03:53] <LaserJock> as I think it's a good thing
[03:53] <LaserJock> I just don't like the opensuse stuff surrounding it
[03:54] <LaserJock> I'm just hoping that it wasn't him that sent the email to the opensuse ML
[03:54] <ajmitch> it seems that it was
[03:55] <LaserJock> unfortunately so
[03:55] <LaserJock> I just can't imagine what he was thinking :/
[03:56] <ajmitch> if he was
[03:57] <LaserJock> I'm pretty impressed with most of the response on the opensuse ML and blog
[03:57] <poningru> wait what?
[03:57] <LaserJock> poningru: did you read Mark's blog?
[03:57] <poningru> sabdfl didnt send the email to opensuse ml did he?
[03:58] <poningru> yeah
[03:58] <LaserJock> yes
[03:58] <LaserJock> he did
[03:58] <poningru> :(
[03:58] <poningru> I thought it was someone else...
[03:58] <poningru> sigh
[04:01] <joejaxx> LaserJock: does sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda
[04:01] <joejaxx> do what i think it does?
[04:01] <LaserJock> I'd kinda think so, I've never tried it
[04:04] <plugwash> if what you think it does is cover /dev/hda1 in psuedorandom data then yes
[04:05] <plugwash> for most perposes just overwriting with zeros will be perfectly sufficiant and much faster though
[04:06] <plugwash> and finally remember that modern hard drives remap weak sectors, so overwriting every sector visible to the controller is no gaurantee you've overwritten every sector on the platter
[04:06] <joejaxx> yeah that is what i thought
[04:07] <joejaxx> it overwrites your hard drive
[04:08] <zelda276> you should be overwriting the hd multiple times
[04:11] <joejaxx> can a /win 19
[04:11] <joejaxx> bah
[04:12] <plugwash> zelda276 if you are trying to hide stuff from someone who would go to the time and expense of platter level data recovery you are better off destroying the drive
[04:13] <joejaxx> plugwash: yeah
[04:13] <joejaxx> opening up the hard drive
[04:13] <joejaxx> and smashing the platters
[04:14] <plugwash> nah sand off the magnetic material
[04:14] <plugwash> and then dump what comes off in strong acid just to make sure
[04:14] <joejaxx> true
[04:14] <zelda276> plugwash: agreed. although the microwave is more entertaining
[04:14] <joejaxx> LaserJock: hahaha that is funny
[04:14] <joejaxx> LaserJock: can what you do in a chroot environment damange the outside system?
[04:15] <plugwash> i heared a white phosphorus grenade is also considered reasonablly effective if time is of the essense
[04:15] <plugwash> joejaxx yes, root in a chroot is still root and can still do everything that root can normally do
[04:16] <joejaxx> interesting
[04:21] <Fujitsu> LaserJock!
[04:22] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: what?
[04:22] <Fujitsu> I haven't seen you in a few days :P
[04:22] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:22] <LaserJock> I put a posting on the forums to test the gcl/maxima fix
[04:22] <Fujitsu> Good, good.
[04:23] <Fujitsu> We've only had two +1s so far :(
[04:23] <LaserJock> how many days has it been?
[04:23] <Fujitsu> About 1.5, LaserJock.
[04:25] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: doesn't seem to bad to me
[04:25] <Fujitsu> Erm, an interesting post in the science forum:
[04:25] <Fujitsu> `No one should really be recommendng Edgy for everyday computing, '
[04:28] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: really?
[04:28] <LaserJock> ajmitch: really?
[04:28] <LaserJock> I thought we got it finalized
[04:29] <ajmitch> it seemed like the thread just stopped on the mailing list
[04:29] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: In the `Maxima / TexMacs' thread.
[04:29] <ajmitch> & noone from the SRU team has written the final page
[04:32] <Amaranth> SRU?
[04:32] <Fujitsu> Stable Release Updates
[04:33] <Amaranth> ah, right
[04:35] <Hobbsee> why do i get http://pastebin.ca/257273 - ie, how can i fix it?
[04:37] <Fujitsu> The easiest way to fix it is to not use dodgy specialised-preprocessor-requiring toolkits.
[04:37] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:45] <StevenK> Hobbsee: The .cpp file might define the same method for a class twice.
[04:58] <MrNoFun> Hello, MOTUs... I have another REVU issue (sorry to bug you again, but I'm finally learning the "right" way to do packaging, and, well, I want to do it right).
[05:05] <MrNoFun> No, wait... never mind. I was trying to log into REVU with my Launchpad name, not my e-mail address. Oops.
[05:33] <LaserJock> geeze, my irssi status bar is getting big :/
[05:34] <luisbg> anybody knows a dbus service done in python?
[05:34] <luisbg> any way to see which packages depend on a package?
[05:37] <LaserJock> apt-cache rdepends
[05:37] <Hobbsee> luisbg: apt-cache rdepends package
[05:37] <luisbg> Hobbsee, thanks
[05:40] <luisbg> you got to love apt =)
[05:40] <luisbg> just helped me a lot
[07:44] <ademan> Lathiat: how would i add repositories to pbuilder?
[09:05] <Sp4rKy> hi
[09:09] <ademan>  pbuilder build is giving me an error that it can't satisfy dependancies, i did sudo apt-get build-dep for the package i'm trying to build, i guess i need to get it into the pbuilder image?
[09:09] <enyc> hrrm
[09:10] <Sp4rKy> ademan: try sudo pbuilduer update --override-config
[09:16] <ademan> you mean sudo right?
[09:16] <ademan> oh geeze
[09:16] <ademan> you said sudo
[09:16] <ademan> sorry, i guess i'm out of it
[09:18] <Sp4rKy> :)
[09:19] <enyc> hrrm
[09:20] <ademan> do i then procceed to do the pbuilder build ?
[09:21] <Sp4rKy> yes
[09:21] <Sp4rKy> if your dep packages exists in repo, it should be updated with the pbuilder update command
[09:22] <ademan> hrm, well after doing pbuilder update i ended up with this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/rqXPYs77.html  (well thats the pbuilder build)
[09:22] <ademan> i'm sorry i feel i'm pretty ignorant of all this, but i have been reading the relevant materials, i just haven't been grasping them very well
[09:23] <DarkMageZ> is universe enabled in your pbuilder?
[09:23] <Sp4rKy> seems not
[09:24] <Sp4rKy> ademan: you probably didn't added the universe repo in your pbuilder
[09:24] <ademan> how might i go about that?
[09:24] <Sp4rKy> uncomment this line
[09:24] <Sp4rKy> #COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse"
[09:24] <DarkMageZ> try sudo pbuilder update --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ ?distro? universe" --override-config
[09:25] <Sp4rKy> in your ~/.pbuilderrc
[09:25] <ademan> i seem to have no such file
[09:25] <Sp4rKy> :p
[09:25] <Sp4rKy> cp /etc/pbuilderrc ~/.pbuilderrc
[09:26] <ademan> ah ok
[09:26] <ademan> thanks
[09:26] <Sp4rKy> np
[09:26] <Sp4rKy> i've a copyright question
[09:26] <Sp4rKy> i've this file in my package :
[09:26] <Sp4rKy> http://paste.sos-sts.com/?34
[09:26] <Sp4rKy> and my debian/copyright file is http://paste.sos-sts.com/?35
[09:27] <Sp4rKy> must i add some lines in debian/coppyright before remove the othere file from the deb (lintian warn me about it)
[09:29] <Sp4rKy> ?
[09:33] <ademan> hrm i think my package is actually building, sweet
[09:33] <ademan> Sp4rKy: i wish i could help but honestly i haven't a clue, as you can tell, i'm lost and bewildered :-)
[09:34] <imbrandon> Sp4rKy: yes all copyright info needs to be in debian/copyright
[09:34] <imbrandon> no matter what the license is
[09:36] <Sp4rKy> ademan: :)
[09:36] <Sp4rKy> imbrandon: in fact, my question should be "is the same licence" :)
[09:36] <Sp4rKy> s/is/are
[09:36] <imbrandon> Sp4rKy: what ?
[09:36] <Sp4rKy> i don't really see the difference between the 2 licences
[09:37] <imbrandon> what two ?
[09:37] <Sp4rKy> those of the file in package & those of debian/changelog
[09:37] <ademan> also, i want this package i'm building to make it into universe (its an upstream update for the eclipse-cdt package which fixes a major incompatibility issue) what do i need to do to get this package reviewed and hopefully into universe?
[09:37] <imbrandon> Sp4rKy: it dosent matter , they are not the exact word for word, byte for byte the same
[09:37] <imbrandon> they must be listed
[09:38] <ademan> the reviewing is pretty important imho, since i'm well intentioned, but clearly quite clueless
[09:39] <imbrandon> ademan: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[09:39] <ademan> imbrandon: i was told thats only for NEW packages, not updates
[09:39] <Sp4rKy> ademan: you need to put in in revu.tauware.de
[09:39] <imbrandon> ahh is its an update then it needs to go on malone
[09:39] <ademan> Sp4rKy: the actual deb? or a debdiff or what?
[09:39] <Sp4rKy> ademan: revu is needed for twice
[09:39] <Sp4rKy> the actual
[09:41] <imbrandon> ademan: the debdiff
[09:41] <imbrandon> Sp4rKy: NO
[09:41] <imbrandon> i just said that updates dont go on revu
[09:41] <imbrandon> updates go as debdiff's on malone , and ubuntu-universe-sponsors are subscribed
[09:42] <Sp4rKy> oups
[09:43] <ademan> malone = the bug system?
[09:44] <Sp4rKy> yep
[09:44] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon.
[09:44] <TheMuso> Congrats on the job offer BTW.
[09:44] <ajmitch> imbrandon!
[09:44] <TheMuso> Heya ajmitch.
[09:44] <ajmitch> hi TheMuso
[09:44] <ademan> so i'd attach just the debdiff to a bugreport comment? how could i get attention for it?
[09:45] <ademan> because its fairly urgent for me, i NEED my C/C++ development environment back
[09:45] <Sp4rKy> subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsore
[09:45] <ademan> ah ok
[09:45] <ademan> well i'm off to bed for now
[09:46] <ademan> thanks all
[09:46] <ademan> i'll hopefully have this done by noon tomorow
[09:46] <ademan> and by the next day (cross my fingers) have the new package in the repositories
[09:46] <Sp4rKy> ...
[09:48] <enyc> Hrrm
[09:49] <enyc> Please let me know if I am supposed to 'assign' this bug to somebody or help somehow  with this bug -- https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/qpsmtpd/+bug/72602
[09:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72602 in qpsmtpd "qpsmtpd should create /var/run/qpsmtpd in init.d (/var/run/ is tmpfs)" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[09:50] <enyc> I dont know quite what the procedure is after this point
[09:51] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch TheMuso
[09:51] <imbrandon> TheMuso: thanks
[09:51] <imbrandon> its a freakin busy week
[09:52] <TheMuso> I'll bet.
[09:53] <imbrandon> new job + open week + a side contract + other talks + lug talks
[09:53] <imbrandon> all this week :(
[09:53] <imbrandon> PLUS stuff to get merged and such :)
[09:59] <ajmitch> imbrandon: found any 'volunteers' for open week?
[10:00] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yup got it covered
[10:00] <ajmitch> good, who's doing it?
[10:36] <poningru> ajmitch: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[10:42] <ajmitch> poningru: yes?
[10:43] <ajmitch> StevenK: happy birthday to linda ;)
[10:45] <imbrandon> :)
[10:48] <StevenK> (Oh dear God, has it been 5 years?)
[10:48] <imbrandon> robbing the cradle StevenK
[10:48] <StevenK> Speak for yourself.
[10:48] <imbrandon> heh
[10:50] <imbrandon> and feisty tomarrow ?
[10:50] <StevenK> "Tomorrow"? I don't think so. :-P
[10:50] <imbrandon> :)
[10:50] <enyc> nilson: /YUO SUCCEEDING/
[10:50] <enyc> argh
[10:50] <enyc> nilson: ?you succeeding?
[10:53] <ajmitch> imbrandon: nah, tonight
[10:53] <imbrandon> ajmitch: :)
[10:54] <imbrandon> hrm i think i might mess with linux on my usb stick for a little while, to see if i get some motovation
[10:54] <imbrandon> to do something constructive
[11:03] <poningru> imbrandon: hehe working on that myself
[11:04] <poningru> using grubfor win to make a bootable usb without bios option to do so
[11:53] <ajmitch> I can't believe that person did a reminder spam on the ubuntu-devel list...
[11:53] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: after his first email, indeed
[11:53] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: an interesting day, no?
[11:54] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:54] <ajmitch> I think he needs a little etiquette education
[11:55] <ajmitch> hi ogra
[11:55] <ogra> hey
[11:55] <Burgundavia> I considered posting something similar back in early Nov, but then realized it was crackish and dropped it
[11:55] <Burgundavia> hey ogra
[11:55] <imbrandon> moins Burgundavia and ogra
[11:55] <Burgundavia> hey imbrandon
[11:55] <ogra> :)
[11:57] <lucas> what's the state of this "proprietary drivers in the default install" decision ? any URL confirming it ?
[11:57] <Burgundavia> ogra: your boss be stirring the pot a wee smidgen while you were travelling
[11:57] <Burgundavia> lucas: spec is still at pending approval
[11:57] <lucas> ok
[11:58] <ogra> Burgundavia, well, whats wrong with providing an open day to people wiling to switch ?
[11:58] <Burgundavia> ogra: the manner is which the announcement was made
[11:58] <ogra> he's just honest ...
[11:58] <ajmitch> and tactless
[11:59] <ogra> better than being a tactful liar
[11:59] <Burgundavia> I would disagree
[11:59] <Burgundavia> society functions because people treat each other politely
[11:59] <Burgundavia> I consider Marks post a violation of the spirit, if not hte letter, of the CoC
[11:59] <Burgundavia> the "treat other people respectfully" part
[12:00] <ogra> where is he treating anyone unrespectful ?
[12:01] <Burgundavia> by attempting to poach users directly from suse, on their own mailing lists
[12:01] <ogra> i dont see your point, he doesnt say SuSE is bad, he just says we're open if you want to come ...
[12:02] <Burgundavia> jpr said it well: You can try and dress it up all you want, but you're an intelligent
[12:02] <Burgundavia> person and you knew exactly what you were doing when you sent this and I
[12:02] <Burgundavia> doubt the motive was not pure.
[12:02] <Burgundavia> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-11/msg03788.html
[12:03] <ogra> still, he didnt attack anyone or be unrespectful to anyone in a direct manner ... i dont see the CoC violation you try to make up
[12:03] <Burgundavia> so it is ok if random distros start posting on our mailing lists, saying their distro is more free and we should go work on them?
[12:03] <ogra> he just sent a polite invitation to the devs
[12:03] <ogra> sure it is
[12:03] <Burgundavia> would you not consider that disrespect? I would
[12:04] <ogra> nexenta is doing that quite often for example ... and they are not even a linux distro
[12:04] <Burgundavia> yes, and nobody really likes them for it
[12:04] <Burgundavia> Jamie McCracken of Tracker does it as well
[12:04] <Burgundavia> it grates
[12:04] <ajmitch> they aren't doing it in a tone of "look, canonical has screwed you over"
[12:04] <ogra> but i dont consider it a CoC violation in any way
[12:05] <Burgundavia> "We
[12:05] <Burgundavia>       expect members of the Ubuntu community to be respectful when
[12:05] <Burgundavia>       dealing with other contributors as well as with people outside
[12:05] <Burgundavia>       the Ubuntu project and with users of Ubuntu."
[12:05] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.0.1
[12:05] <ogra> it could have been written more sensible but that still doesnt make it a CoC vioation
[12:06] <Burgundavia> " Ubuntu and Free Software are about collaboration and working together."
[12:06] <Burgundavia> that post is not about working together
[12:07] <Burgundavia> Mark also violates the "When you disagree" and "When you are unsure" sections
[12:08] <ogra> ??
[12:08] <Burgundavia> espeically the 2nd
[12:08] <Burgundavia> I do not see mdz or jono saying yes
[12:08] <ogra> jono organized the event ...
[12:08] <Burgundavia> with that specific goal in mind?
[12:08] <ogra> and mdz doesnt disagree apparently
[12:09] <Burgundavia> wow
[12:09] <Burgundavia> I am fucking stunned
[12:10] <Burgundavia> if Mark had said in his blog "We welcome all developers" and not posted to the opensuse, I consider that above the board
[12:11] <Burgundavia> that is extending an invitation, not conducting a raid
[12:11] <StevenK> Ouch.
[12:12] <Burgundavia> because, ultimately, we use Ubuntu because it rocks, not because $OTHER_DISTRO sucks|has issues|has dumb management
[12:13] <elkbuntu> ogra, i think im on the same page as Burgundavia here. it's not the open day or it's actual purpose that is the objectional thing. it's the way the blog post/list mail was done.
[12:13] <ogra> he said "come over if you think $OTHER_DISTRO sucks"
[12:13] <StevenK> I also agree with Burgundavia/elkbuntu.
[12:13] <ogra> he didnt say "because $OTHER_DISTRO sucks come over"
[12:14] <Burgundavia> I would disagree with you there
[12:14] <elkbuntu> ogra, actually, he did. he said '$other_distro sucks because they've become MS's lapdog'
[12:14] <ogra> elkbuntu, can you show me that quote ?
[12:14] <imbrandon> right, and also look at too that jono did the event and those of us talking ( that i know of ) arent targeting suse, mark just oversteped his wording when he invited them
[12:14] <ogra> he surely didnt use these words ...
[12:14] <elkbuntu> ogra, can you show me either of your quotes?
[12:15] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, the overstep is the bit we're pissed about
[12:15] <ogra> nope, i didnt quote
[12:15] <elkbuntu> ogra, actually your first thing said 'he said'
[12:15] <ajmitch> imbrandon: right now it looks like the only reason for the open week is to attract suse people
[12:15] <imbrandon> elkbuntu: but thats one persons invitation, not the event tits self, if you dont like it tell him
[12:15] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: when that one person is the single most important person in our distro, it tarnishes the event completely
[12:15] <imbrandon> ajmitch: thats because mostly everyone reads marks post, go back and read the event release from jono
[12:15] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, you're like disagreeing with me by agreeing with me.
[12:16] <ajmitch> imbrandon: considering that's the only announcement of the event I've seen
[12:16] <ajmitch> imbrandon: where did jono announce it?
[12:16] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, jono blogged maybe 24 hours before
[12:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: on planet
[12:16] <ajmitch> just planet?
[12:16] <imbrandon> ajmitch: jono announced it a day ago
[12:16] <elkbuntu> that however doesnt improve mark's announcement/invitation/whatever in the least
[12:16] <crimsun> [I don't read planet.uc regularly, though] 
[12:17] <Burgundavia> Mark also implies that our house is completely clean, while in fact with binary drivers and Launchpad, we are in a bit of glass house right now
[12:17] <imbrandon> on the wiki and planet, same as mark, the only diffrence is the words mark choose when he invited a group that he thought would benifet, i agree it was kinda fubard but most of the discontent from the suse side was the wording , not the content
[12:17] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: and getting worse each release
[12:18] <ajmitch> there are a number of people less than happy with the binary driver issue & the lack of discussion so far
[12:18] <imbrandon> elkbuntu: thats the thing , marks wasent an announcement either is was an ill worded invatation
[12:18] <ajmitch> if it were done by someone else, it'd be accurately called trolling :)
[12:18] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Does binary driver stuff include open source wireless drivers with binary firmware, such as the ipw series of cards?
[12:19] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, tomayto tomarto
[12:19] <ajmitch> TheMuso: that's always been accepted with no discussion
[12:19] <Burgundavia> TheMuso: to a certain extent. I consider binary wireless and networking drivers to be an issue
[12:19] <imbrandon> elkbuntu: that makes a diffrence though
[12:19] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, it still stinks
[12:19] <Burgundavia> TheMuso: however, the needed functionality is critical
[12:19] <Burgundavia> what Mark should be doing is funding work to remove the need for those drivers
[12:19] <imbrandon> elkbuntu: right but bitching about the wrong thing dosent help any , infact it makes it worse
[12:20] <TheMuso> Burgundavia: Yeah. But we had to ask Intel whether we could re-distribute the firmware right?
[12:20] <Burgundavia> TheMuso: I am not certain. I know broadcom is refusing to budge
[12:20] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, shutting up about something that we feel isnt right doesnt work either.
[12:20] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: the issue is, the announcement has been made. Now we (the community) have to deal with the fallout
[12:20] <admin123> i'm in search of packages that use debconf templates
[12:20] <admin123> does anyone have some good package examples
[12:20] <imbrandon> elkbuntu: i in no way shape or form said shut up about it, hell voice your opinions loudly, i just was offiering that you direct them constructively
[12:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what constructive way is there to voice our opinions?
[12:21] <crimsun> admin123: flashplugin-nonfree does.
[12:21] <admin123> crimsun, something that invokes processbar perhaps?
[12:21] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: the official channels are TB & CC meetings
[12:21] <crimsun> admin123: no
[12:22] <admin123> crimsun, no what?
[12:22] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: how do you censure somebody that sits on both?
[12:22] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: well Burgundavia did so to some extent as he has the same reach on planet as the marks post, also talk with mark, privately or publicly, also email suse list yourself and voice how YOU think it should go etc etc etc, invite fedora too ( in a PC way ) etc etc etc
[12:22] <imbrandon> there is tons of things
[12:22] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: you can't, you can only complain
[12:22] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: me != Mark
[12:22] <imbrandon> but just saying the whole thing is F*CKED now is not helping
[12:22] <Burgundavia> I don't have the same name recognition
[12:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: which they arent having either of any time soon, of course, according to the topic in -meeting
[12:23] <Burgundavia> many due to needed new CC/TB
[12:23] <Burgundavia> which I have seen no sign of
[12:24] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: i said the same reach on planet, and no you != mark but if you have valid points poeple will listen, i just dont see making it a flame war in our camp can help matters any when pubicly in the suse camp they handled the list very well IMHO
[12:24] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: I don't view this as a flame war
[12:24] <Burgundavia> and I don't think it will
[12:24] <lucas> Burgundavia: you were cited on linux.com
[12:24] <lucas> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/25/028237
[12:24] <elkbuntu> brandon does have at least one valid point here.. this isnt the right place to discuss it as such
[12:25] <crimsun> admin123: what is a "processbar"?
[12:25] <Burgundavia> lucas: 2nd time. I got quoted on the binary driver thing as well
[12:25] <admin123> crimsun, I meant progress bar
[12:25] <admin123> s/bar/info/g
[12:25] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: it's good to talk about it somewhere
[12:25] <crimsun> admin123: no, it doesn't invoke a progressbar
[12:26] <Burgundavia> lucas: apparently I say quotable things
[12:26] <lucas> :-)
[12:26] <admin123> crimsun, I'm in search of a package that does, could you perhaps refer to one?
[12:26] <crimsun> admin123: your search is as good as mine.
[12:26] <Burgundavia> lucas: I also blogged with 30 minutes of Mark's email, so I had the first mover advantage
[12:27] <lucas> Burgundavia: you might get quoted on slashdot too :)
[12:27] <ajmitch> lucas: that's no great honour
[12:27] <Burgundavia> oh joy. The holy or holys
[12:28] <lucas> ajmitch: maybe, but people read it and notice it ;)
[12:28] <lucas> it's crazy to see how many people you barely know come to you and say "oh, I saw you were quoted on slashdot"
[12:30] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: you clearly don't work in sales
[12:30] <ajmitch> and I'm glad of that
[12:30] <TheMuso> Whats the traffic like on sounder?
[12:30] <Burgundavia> nothing yet. All gone to both
[12:31] <TheMuso> I mean generally
[12:31] <ajmitch> fairly quiet
[12:31] <elkbuntu> arent people still recovering from turkey day or something?
[12:32] <ajmitch> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.sounder <-- shiny graph of traffic
[12:32] <TheMuso> Meh. If its rather quiet, I think I can handle it. :)
[12:32] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: wrong month for canadians
[12:34] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, well, true
[12:34] <imbrandon> TheMuso: it goes in sputs , some days 20+ messages but overall very quiet
[12:34] <TheMuso> imbrandon: RIght.
[12:34] <ajmitch> seems to average about 10-15
[12:34] <ajmitch> per day
[12:34] <ajmitch> but I think it's probably less
[12:35] <Platyna> Huhu, what an attitude on this topic.
[12:35] <Platyna> Hello.
[12:35] <imbrandon> hello Platyna
[12:35] <crimsun> hi, please restate your question, Platyna.
[12:35] <imbrandon> attitude on the MOTU topic ?
[12:35] <Platyna> crimsun: So. We have setup Ubuntu repository but it is rather a temporary solution.
[12:36] <Platyna> So, maybe our project (a MMORPG) could be added to the official distribution.
[12:36] <Platyna> It is quite well established project.
[12:36] <Platyna> And it works!
[12:36] <imbrandon> is it under a free license ?
[12:37] <Platyna> GPL'd.
[12:37] <Platyna> Want an URL?
[12:37] <imbrandon> cool ( including all data files etc , that happens alot with games )
[12:37] <Platyna> Yes, including graphics, sound etc.
[12:37] <Platyna> http://themanaworld.org
[12:38] <crimsun> Platyna: please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New
[12:38] <Platyna> Maybe you could package it better for Ubuntu or something. I don't know, since I am Slackware maintainer. But we have alot of Ubuntu users so I want them to feel comfty.
[12:40] <Platyna> Well, our project is not listed there.
[12:41] <crimsun> Platyna: you need to add it, then.
[12:41] <Platyna> But I just need to add a project or a package?
[12:42] <crimsun> Platyna: you need to create the source package and upload it to REVU
[12:43] <Platyna> Source package? *.tar.gz?
[12:43] <Platyna> Don't speak to me, like to Ubuntu user, please. ;)
[12:43] <Platyna> Consider me abroad stranger.
[12:44] <crimsun> Platyna: you have two options, 1) request that it be packaged by someone else, 2) package it yourself and submit it to REVU for peer review
[12:44] <imbrandon> well you need to take the person that build the deb's and have him upload the debian source package ( normaly 3 files ) to REVU
[12:44] <Platyna> Ok. I will notify other developers.
[12:45] <Platyna> And users will have it on their default repository, yes?
[12:45] <imbrandon> that is the begining to that process yes, to get it in the feisty release
[12:46] <Platyna> What does "feisty" means? I am not native English speaker.
[12:49] <imbrandon> its the name of the currect devlopment version that will be release in 07
[12:51] <Platyna> Ok.
[12:51] <Platyna> Then I will catch a person responsible and eventually come back to you. Thanks for your support.
[12:51] <Platyna> See you.
[12:52] <ajmitch> night all
[12:53] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch
[12:54] <Burgundavia> hmm, which is ajmitch, who is 8 hours behind me, going to bed before me?
[12:56] <elkbuntu> well it would be nearing 2am over there iirc
[12:57] <Burgundavia> ah, right, nz, not au
[12:58] <StevenK> Burgundavia: If you read Pratchett, this akin to calling The Librarian a monkey.
[12:58] <StevenK> this is
[12:58] <Burgundavia> only 4 hours
[12:59] <Burgundavia> StevenK: I believe the correct ape is an orangutang
[12:59] <Burgundavia> which I just horribly butchered
[12:59] <StevenK> I'm aware the Librarian is an orangutang. You don't recall what he does when someone calls him a monkey?
[01:00] <Burgundavia> indeed I Od
[01:00] <Burgundavia> do, rather
[01:00] <StevenK> Burgundavia: That is what ajmitch is going to do when he sees that you thought he was in .au
[01:01] <Hobbsee> which is also my response when i'm asked if i'm a new zealander.  grumble
[01:01] <Burgundavia> well, I do live in the US :)
[01:01] <StevenK> Hah
[01:02] <imbrandon> yea its all one big place down there right ? /me ducks
[01:02] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: i thought you were in ca ?
[01:03] <Burgundavia> I am in the US in the same way that ajmitch is in AU
[01:03] <imbrandon> ahh
[01:03] <StevenK> ... with a block of 4x2 :-P
[01:04] <imbrandon> heh
[01:04] <imbrandon> well i _DO_ live in the US ( and apparently a redneck too ) so i have an excuse :)
[01:05] <Burgundavia> no accounting for taste amongst some :)
[01:05] <imbrandon> heh
[01:05] <Hobbsee> darn those rednecks...
[01:05] <imbrandon> i just like Riddell's face when we called him an englishmen at UDS :)
[01:05] <imbrandon> that was classic
[01:05] <Hobbsee> always causing trouble
[01:05] <Hobbsee> haha - what was it?
[01:06] <imbrandon> first time i thought that soft spoken person was gonna explode and kill one of us , i cant rember whom all was standing there but it was me and jono and seele for sure
[01:07] <imbrandon> i think cjwatson was there too
[01:07] <imbrandon> iirc
[01:07] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, was this on the bus?
[01:07] <imbrandon> anyhow it was quite funny
[01:07] <imbrandon> elkbuntu: no it was while we were walking to the redneck bar
[01:08] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, i only went there once... first night
[01:08] <fabo> imbrandon: what do you think of beryl-dev package ?
[01:08] <imbrandon> infact thats who it was, me , jono, seele, cjwatson , keybuk , kwwii and riddell
[01:09] <imbrandon> fabo: i need to talk to giskard there is no orig.tar and the checksum dosent match the ones from the website ( since the .svn stuff was stripped )
[01:09] <imbrandon> but it looks like he just took the packgagin from beryl's svn ( not good )
[01:10] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: beryl shipped a tarball with .svn files in it?
[01:10] <fabo> imbrandon: i don't like beryl-dev like it is right know
[01:10] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: yes :(
[01:10] <elkbuntu> this is not surprising me
[01:11] <Burgundavia> your tax dollars^WWWshuttleworth dollars at work!
[01:11] <fabo> imbrandon: i just clean up their build-depends atm
[01:11] <Hobbsee> it just wanted people to know that it was most certainly still on crack
[01:11] <imbrandon> yea infact i mentioned it to them at UDS but they still havent fixed it
[01:11] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, have you followed up on it, or sent henchmen?
[01:11] <imbrandon> fabo: their changelog needs to be cleaned up also and copyright and a few other things
[01:12] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, it's not likely to happen unless one of the above occurs
[01:12] <fabo> imbrandon: i want beryl-dev just depends on libberylsettings-dev and not do a "meta' package
[01:12] <imbrandon> elkbuntu: hehe i'm not the one crying to get it in the repo :) they know the issues hehe
[01:12] <fabo> imbrandon: right i didn't checked copyright
[01:13] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: do you know of any window manager stress testers?
[01:13] <Burgundavia> I want to dunc-bank compiz and beryl
[01:13] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, dont be surprised when they cry lack of advice
[01:13] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: no i wish i did tbh
[01:13] <fabo> imbrandon: this afternoon i'll do a complete review of beryl ...
[01:13] <imbrandon> fabo: rockin, thanks
[01:13] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: no i would like to do the same thing
[01:13] <imbrandon> i just cant think of an objective way or program to doso
[01:14] <fabo> imbrandon: you've got some packaging on beryl ? maybe i can take a look and merge your changes too
[01:14] <Burgundavia> I will ask upstream if they have anything
[01:14] <imbrandon> fabo: no i threw mine out long ago as it was 0.1 and giskard was picking it up, so i decided to go with his and just fix whats needed
[01:15] <imbrandon> fabo: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~giskard/
[01:15] <fabo> imbrandon: ok, so bbl time to work on it ;)
[01:15] <imbrandon> ^^ thats giskard 's stuff upto now, but its far from ready for the repo
[01:15] <Burgundavia> wonder if that theme stress tester can used here?
[01:15] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: possibly, i dident know about it
[01:16] <Burgundavia> manu cornet's one for olpc
[01:16] <imbrandon> ahh
[01:19] <giskard> imbrandon, ok
[01:19] <giskard> could you merge the fix?
[01:20] <imbrandon> giskard: for ?
[01:20] <imbrandon> giskard: sure, can you put your orig.tar's up there
[01:20] <imbrandon> and i will make the changes
[01:21] <giskard> imbrandon, you can use the one shipped on  beryl-project.org
[01:21] <giskard> you have only to rename them
[01:21] <imbrandon> you dident strip those ?
[01:21] <imbrandon> ( or it wasent needed ? )
[01:21] <giskard> strip?
[01:21] <imbrandon> remove .svn cruft
[01:21] <giskard> .svn problem?
[01:22] <giskard> it's present only in beryl-core
[01:22] <imbrandon> ok
[01:22] <imbrandon> good
[01:22] <giskard> and i've already uploaded the tar.gz on buntudot
[01:22] <imbrandon> yea i'll make the needed changes then
[01:22] <imbrandon> yup got that one
[02:27] <giskard> imbrandon, news?
[02:27] <giskard> fabo, ?
[02:27] <imbrandon> giskard: i have them here making changes and building
[02:27] <imbrandon> i'll probably do the upload in a few hours
[02:29] <giskard> oki
[02:30] <giskard> si
[02:30] <giskard> ops ;)
[02:44] <fabo> giskard: i'm on beryl-core clean up, rewriting copyright
[02:45] <fabo> imbrandon: uploading on buntudot ?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hey PriceChild
[02:50] <giskard> fabo, no, i guess in universe
[02:52] <PriceChild> Hi hobbsee
[02:53] <PriceChild> :)
[02:54] <fabo> imbrandon: wait my changes ;)
[02:55] <giskard> eheh
[02:55] <PriceChild> Hobbsee!!!!! :)
[02:55] <PriceChild> ?
[02:56] <Hobbsee> PriceChild!!!!
[02:56] <PriceChild> :D
[02:56] <PriceChild> How was work?
[02:56] <PriceChild> (I was impressed by myself... got up at 12 :D )
[02:56] <Hobbsee> tiring, my boss came in
[02:56] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:56] <PriceChild> aww :(
[02:57] <PriceChild> so you weren't in charge?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> i was
[02:57] <PriceChild> yay :)
[02:57] <Hobbsee> she was just questioning what we were doing
[02:57] <PriceChild> What did you do?
[02:57] <PriceChild> haha
[02:57] <PriceChild> what were you doing? ;)
[02:57] <Hobbsee> maybe never
[02:57] <admin123> I'm exctracting a large tarball that I put into a deb, so I want to display a progressbar. Why? So that the user will not think that the computer froze/program got stuck(not responding). I read debconf-devel but I didn't find anything usefull in there.
[02:57] <Hobbsee> getting ready to close the store, packing up, as usual.
[02:58] <PriceChild> k
[02:58] <PriceChild> I'm tired
[02:58] <PriceChild> but I got my washing started woo
[02:58] <PriceChild> bah... soemone on the forums has picked up my msn address and is asking me if i'm a woman... how old am i? etc. etc.
[02:59] <admin123> lol
[02:59] <Hobbsee> hah
[02:59] <Hobbsee> i *love* those kind of people.  they're the ones the block button was invented for
[03:00] <PriceChild> I can't block them though :)
[03:00] <admin123> so you get to push the button?
[03:00] <PriceChild> I just put them in a special gaim group....
[03:00] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:00] <Hobbsee> hte "ignore' group?
[03:00] <PriceChild> Its just called "Linux"
[03:00] <PriceChild> :P
[03:00] <PriceChild> and its at the bottom and closed
[03:01] <nolimitsoya> will the latest wine be backported to edgy?
[03:01] <nolimitsoya> the version in the repos is 0.9.22, and the latest version of winehq.com is 0.9.24
[03:01] <PriceChild> This guy doesn't even really speak english....
[03:02] <PriceChild> (not you nolimitsoya)
[03:02] <nolimitsoya> bugfixes in both updates, including memory leak fixes
[03:02] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:02] <Hobbsee> nolimitsoya: unlikely.  it never stays in date anyway
[03:02] <Hobbsee> !wine
[03:02] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:03] <nolimitsoya> Hobbsee, how come?
[03:03] <PriceChild> ping jenda
[03:03] <PriceChild> wine gets updated every few weeks or so
[03:03] <PriceChild> it'd be pointless
[03:04] <PriceChild> If I were you i'd just build it yourself
[03:04] <nolimitsoya> already done :)
[03:04] <nolimitsoya> someone just asked for is in #ubuntu, and i thought id take his question here
[03:06] <Hobbsee> nolimitsoya: what PriceChild said
[03:07] <gnomefreak> anyone know if pitti's debug repo is for multiverse as well?or is it just main and universe?
[03:15] <PriceChild> Hobbsee
[03:16] <Hobbsee> PriceChild
[03:17] <PriceChild> lol
[03:20] <fabo> imbrandon: uploaded
[03:21] <fabo> giskard: beryl-core updated
[03:21] <giskard> where?
[03:28] <bhale> https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/muine/+bug/71725
[03:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71725 in muine "Muine is missing icons when run under Kubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[03:28] <bhale> can a kubuntu guy advise on this
[03:28] <bhale> particuarly with the version i just uploaded
[03:30] <fabo> imbrandon, giskard i switch to b-plugins
[03:34] <gnomefreak> anyone have any ideas how to get around apt/aptitude/synaptic/adept crashing? i think its caused by a repo and getting rid of the repo doesnt work. reason i say repo is i added the repo ran apt-get update after that anything apt related that i run i get crash
[03:43] <admin123> How does one find out what debs invoke debconf-apt-progress?
[03:43] <admin123> would be nice if there was a way to find out
[03:47] <enyc> gnomefreak: I had that happening but it was a dodgy harddisk infact!
[03:58] <bluefoxicy> oh great
[03:59] <bluefoxicy> now Amaya doesn't work on edgy anymore.
[03:59] <bluefoxicy> (amaya:29871): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_set_colormap: assertion `!GTK_WIDGET_REALIZED (widget)' failed
[04:55] <Adri2000> !seen Tonio_
[04:55] <ubotu> tonio_ is on IRC right now!
[04:55] <Adri2000> err, right
[04:56] <Adri2000> but not in the channel
[05:00] <PriceChild> do a whois on him then Adri2000
[05:04] <Adri2000> PriceChild: already done, he isn't in any channel, and his ubuntu cloack is not activated, so I don't even know if it's really him :p
[05:05] <PriceChild> he he ok
[06:09] <fabo> imbrandon: b-plugins uploaded
[06:59] <joejaxx> Happy New Years! :D
[07:00] <b_lindeijer> Am I correct in asserting, that like Ubuntu, the packages in the universe repository are essentially updated only twice a year?
[07:01] <b_lindeijer> I'm wondering what the chances would be for a online game project that frequently breaks backwards compatibility, to be included. Or how much sense this'd make.
[07:01] <Adri2000> b_lindeijer: universe is frozen when a release is stable
[07:01] <Adri2000> but new packages can always be uploaded to the development version
[07:02] <Adri2000> feisty currently
[07:03] <Adri2000> b_lindeijer: you can request a package at wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates, but if it's always broken, well, that's not a good idea
[07:03] <b_lindeijer> Ok. Suppose that the few months old 0.0.20 release of The Mana World would now be frozen in Edgy, this would be totally useless since you can't play it anymore.
[07:04] <b_lindeijer> So I guess we just wait until we are pretty sure it will remain playable for at least half a year, to request inclusion?
[07:05] <Adri2000> b_lindeijer: hmm yes, but releases are usually supported 18 months (more for a LTS), so it would be good if the game remains playable more than 6 months
[07:05] <b_lindeijer> Alright.
[07:06] <b_lindeijer> We'll keep hosting our own repository for now then.
[07:10] <fabo> giskard: welcome back :)
[07:10] <giskard> :)
[07:33] <admin123> :)
[07:45] <fabo> imbrandon: ping
[07:45] <fabo> have you reviewed the packages (url pasted in pv) ?
[08:01] <chantra> hi, do you guys know how to build packages for other architecture using pbuilder?
[08:01] <Laser_away> imbrandon has a little experience with that I believe
[08:01] <chantra> cheers LaserJock
[08:01] <chantra> imbrandon: ping
[09:47] <fdoving> who do I subscribe to a sync-with-debian request bugreport?
[09:48] <fdoving> subscribe/poke
[09:59] <LaserJock> fdoving: I think you might subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[10:00] <[A] ndy80> hi
[10:00] <fdoving> LaserJock: i mean a automatic sync.. not 'have someone upload a manually synced with debian' package.
[10:01] <LaserJock> well, there kind of isn't a automatic sync
[10:02] <LaserJock> a MOTU needs to approve the sync and then it goes to the ubuntu-archive team to flip the switch
[10:04] <[A] ndy80> I created an utility called SmartFan, based on fan utility by toshutils, but smarter: you can pass it a max temperature value as parameter and fan is started only when CPU reaches that temperature and stops after the CPU cools. How can I add the proposal to this list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates ?
[10:04] <[A] ndy80> could you please explain me how does it work? thanks :)
[10:10] <LaserJock> [A] ndy80: do you release it as a normal tarball?
[10:12] <admin123> [A] ndy80, you have to create a account https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserPreferences
[10:12] <admin123> (if you wish to edit wiki pages)
[10:16] <[A] ndy80> LaserJock: yes... I've the tar.gz ready to be untarred and compiled
[10:17] <[A] ndy80> admin123: I already have an acocunt I think... Andy80it is my user :)
[10:17] <admin123> chantra_AW,  --debootstrapopts --arch --debootstrapopts $ARCH
[10:17] <admin123> [A] ndy80, then click on 'login and edit'. :)
[10:17] <[A] ndy80> admin123: once I add it to the wiki how can I be informed if the package is accepted into the universal rep?
[10:18] <LaserJock> [A] ndy80: well, you can watch REVU (revu.tauware.de)
[10:18] <admin123> Well if I remember correctly(for debian for example) that you can file a bug for pacakages that need to be added tot the repository's perhaps ubuntu has the same thing, I can't tell.
[10:20] <admin123> I think it follows debian policy guide : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Reviewing#head-8176f0034c811e5d7f154cb568a4a19b4ba021ee
[10:21] <admin123> so yeah, filing a bug would probally be sufficient
[10:22] <LaserJock> actually we don't do that normally (we should do something like that)
[10:23] <admin123> there used to be #debian-mentors
[10:23] <admin123> if it isn't moved to OFTC
[10:24] <admin123> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New [A] ndy80
[10:25] <admin123> would anyone be interested in writing documention for debconf?
[10:25] <admin123> there is a missing progressbar section
[10:28] <[A] ndy80> admin123: I added "SmartFan" on the wiki, but I think I made a mistake with the syntax of the wiki... (a missing column) could you please give it a look?
[10:37] <admin123> fixed
[10:40] <admin123> [A] ndy80, http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/#l1
[10:41] <LaserJock> admin123: so you are recommending [A] ndy80 request packaging in Debian
[10:41] <admin123> yes it would eventually end up in ubuntu.
[10:57] <[A] ndy80> Ok, I'll give it a lool later
[10:57] <[A] ndy80> thanks for now :)
[11:09] <joejaxx> after i use a diversion in the preinst i can use the install file to install the packages file correct?
[11:13] <LaserJock> joejaxx: I'm guessing so
[11:13] <LaserJock> I think divert just moves the existing file aside
[11:13] <joejaxx> man dpkg-divert is such a hack it is not even funny
[11:13] <joejaxx> LaserJock: ah ok
[11:13] <joejaxx> yeah
[11:14] <LaserJock> well, all of packaging is kinda a hack
[11:14] <LaserJock> :-)
[11:14] <joejaxx> ;)
[11:14] <joejaxx> haha
[11:14] <joejaxx> build-essential.hack
[11:14] <joejaxx> sudo apt-get install build-essential.hack
[11:15] <joejaxx> that whould be funny
[11:15] <joejaxx> LaserJock: when you submit a package to revu it is the source package right?
[11:15] <joejaxx> i am guessing
[11:15] <joejaxx> !revu
[11:15] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[11:16] <joejaxx> bah what is the link lol
[11:16] <joejaxx> got it
[11:16] <joejaxx> hmm
[11:16] <joejaxx> nowhere to register
[11:17] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i whould have to submit my fluxbuntu packages to revu right?
[11:23] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:23] <LaserJock> joejaxx: have you used revu before?
[11:25] <joejaxx> no
[11:26] <LaserJock> are you a member of ubuntu-universe-contributors on LP?
[11:27] <joejaxx> LaserJock: yes
[11:32] <joejaxx> how have you all been gnomefreak Fujitsu ?
[11:33] <Fujitsu> Not too bad, joejaxx.
[11:33] <gnomefreak> joejaxx: ok here and yourself?
[11:33] <joejaxx> that is good
[11:33] <joejaxx> i am doing well
[11:33] <joejaxx> actually i have another question
[11:34] <joejaxx> does ubuntu keep all its artwork in /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork
[11:34] <gnomefreak> i think so
[11:34] <gnomefreak> /usr/share/*
[11:34] <joejaxx> ok
[11:34] <gnomefreak> i havetn looked in a while
[11:35] <joejaxx> i am trying to think about how i want to go about the fluxbuntu-artwork package
[11:35] <joejaxx> right now the wallpapers are copied to /usr/share/backgrounds
[11:36] <joejaxx> but i am wondering about the firefox homepage and login logos
[11:36] <gnomefreak> i have usr/share/backgrounds
[11:37] <gnomefreak> there a share/gdm/themes
[11:37] <joejaxx> yeah but we do not use gdm
[11:37] <joejaxx> it is wdm
[11:38] <joejaxx> wdm calls its original logo from /usr/share/pixmaps
[11:38] <gnomefreak> thats all i see other than ubuntu-artwork
[11:38] <joejaxx> oh alright
[11:57] <LaserJock> geeze, DistroWatch Weekly News comments are about as bad as the forums
[11:57] <LaserJock> joejaxx: Fluxbuntu is getting a lot of good reviews there though :-)
[11:58] <joejaxx> LaserJock: :)
[12:00] <joejaxx> To bad the Linux Distros on the PS3 weren't told about and is the cell processor the same as the powerpc.
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[12:01] <joejaxx> too bad he has not looked into more
[12:01] <joejaxx> because you cannot stick a powerpc linux distro in the ps3 without modifying it
[12:02] <LaserJock> man, more derivatives
[12:02] <LaserJock> Ubuntun Multimedia Center
[12:02] <joejaxx> well that is not even a derivative lol
[12:02] <joejaxx> if you look at it
[12:02] <LaserJock> can't their site is down
[12:02] <LaserJock> too much traffix
[12:02] <LaserJock> *traffic
[12:03] <LaserJock> we'll they've been added to distrowatch, that's all anybody will care about
[12:03] <joejaxx> yeah true
[12:03] <joejaxx> right now i am converting the edgy seeds to feisty
[12:05] <joejaxx> i have to look at the feisty release cycle
[12:05] <joejaxx> and see when the first hord disc is
[12:06] <joejaxx> i will probably build a livecd for each on of those hord releases
[12:06] <joejaxx> dates*
[12:07] <LaserJock> the 30th I believe is the target date for the first 1
[12:07] <joejaxx> oh shoot
[12:07] <joejaxx> of november?
[12:07] <LaserJock> yep
[12:07] <joejaxx> lol
[12:08] <joejaxx> ok
[12:08] <joejaxx> so i have 4 days
[12:08] <joejaxx> well actually i cannot even do that
[12:08] <joejaxx> because fluxbuntu will not be in universe by then
[12:09] <joejaxx> so the deb lines whould be all wrong
[12:09] <joejaxx> when hord 2 comes out
[12:09] <joejaxx> bah